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Hearing Voices? Could Be the Lasers
An anonymous reader sends us to Wired for a piece about some declassified Pentagon research from 1998 that has been revealed in a freedom-of-information filing. Apparently the Pentagon has investigated lasers that put voices in your head, among other non-lethal technologies such as microwave heating. The report suggests the techniques could be useful for controlling crowds or in negotiations. There is no context for the research or any indication whether it has continued, although the microwave heating bit sounds rather like the Active Denial System we have discussed recently.
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See, the tinfoil hats REALLY DO WORK against the orbital mind control lasers ...
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Torture isn't a reliable means to obtain information. I know...I have a great idea... Lets make them crazy.
Thanks to my tinfoil hat.
what's the frequency, Kenneth?
We should use this awesome technologie to help guide ill people.
Especially Paranoid Schizophrenics.
We can send them reassuring messages, like "you are not alone. we are there to get you (help)"
or warn them of imminent dangers, like which bus drivers hate them.
I knew I wasn't crazy.
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Wasn't there a billboard in NYC that worked in a similar fashion just a few months ago?
Valis, anyone?
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"I have never let my schooling interfere with my education." -Mark Twain
"What's that, you say? Getting a little hot in here? We'll get you a cool glass of water... but first, let's finish negotiating the terms of your unconditional surrender."
Damn.. back when I had decided to investigate this, voices in my head kept telling me that it was a wild goose chase!
My work here is dung.
television broadcasts, microwave ovens, mobile phones, wireless LAN, Bluetooth, GPS and Two-Way Radios such as FRS and GMRS Radios. So I mean all of these can be randomly (or on purpose) interacting with the fluid inside your cochlea to make you hear things that aren't there throughout the day. Most of it probably gets filtered out as noise, but theres gotta be a couple of times each year each of us hears something that wasn't there due to this stuff. I still say its worth it, but damn thats weird.
PHILIP K DICK WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG now we just have to wait for the pentagon to admit that we are living in the roman empire and that it's 79 AD
Does this mean I get to leave the Nut House and go home?
Oh wait, my home is the Nut House, but I'm out of tin foil.
If I cover my roof with tin foil, will the voices stop?
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Don't lase me, bro!
Why negotiate? The article indicated the effects could be psychologically devastating. If that is true just use bullets. If you want them alive use a tazer or bean bags.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Nope.
It's gonna be a polished silver helmet!
There is an obvious application for this technology.
Laser = light amplification by stimulated emission of radiation.
In the article they talk about using microwaves.
As far as I know there in no way to make a coherent beam of RF energy.
Or can it be done using a dipole aerial array like they use for radar?
It's still not light anyway.
see http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/10/AR2007011001399.html
you know, economically speaking it is inevitable these things will be researched, like chemical weapons (some of which turn you gay in the foxhole), pentagon contingency plans for aliens showing up and cheating with electronic voting. too much upside to ignore the possibility, or too ominous to not aggressively understand.
it does sound like an interesting line of research, no?
The article is garbled (as usual) but none of the stuff discussed involves lasers.
Warning: this article may contain humor, sarcasm, parody, and perhaps even irony. Read at your own risk.
They can use this in conjunction with the "gay bomb" (hormone tweaker) they were working on. Now voices can say, "It's okay, don't feel guilty. He's cute, go for it!".
Table-ized A.I.
As I recall, putting annoying sound - bad music? - directly into the brain was used to control the wrongful in Childhood's End.
Pathological kinda promises Path + Logical - but instead, you get stuck with pathetic.
"Clippy followed me home from the office! Make it shut up, aaarrrrrrggghh!"
Table-ized A.I.
I could of sworn I read about this in a Popular Mechanics/Science. I remember an article about a guy that made this exact thing. It was a laser device that you could point at someones head and transmit sound directly to them, resonating off their skull perhaps and only they hear it. People were talking of crazy applications for it like personalized advertising as you walked around a shopping mall or something. Rather invasive I'd say.
"In other news, the Bavarian Illuminati today used The Pentagon to make an attack to control The Orbital Mind Control Lasers, aided by the Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow. In response, the Gnomes of Zurich committed 3 Megabucks to interfere, which The Pentagon was unable to counter. The Pentagon then attempted to spend 5 Megabucks to make the attack Privileged, however The Discordian Society and Servants of Cthulhu objected, correctly, that this special ability must be asserted when first declaring the attack. The Bavarian Illuminati required a modified 7 or less to succeed in its attack, however, it rolled an eleven, automatically failing. On its next turn, Servants of Cthulhu successfully attacked to destroy the Orbital Mind Control Lasers, just for the hell of it. Joe Malik, NPR News, Washington."
I can see the fnords!
How hard would it be for some random Air Force flunky to classify a document referring to using lasers to put voices in people's heads, knowing that it would get declassified later?
And he's now off somewhere just laughing his ass off.
Shh!! Can You hear that? I think it's those frikkin' sharks with frikkin' laser beams attached to their heads!!
Yes I am!
But I think this is f*cking disgusting. How can anyone with a clear conscience develop this to control its own kind?
Oh wait, it's the DOD. They have no conscience.
I say again, this is f*cking disgusting.
It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
Negotiate implies a discussion between 2 parties to reach a mutually beneficial agreement. I don't see any part of a laser beam sending "voices" (plural would be even worse) into somebody else's head facilitating a discussion.
Now maybe taking this whole technology away from the menacing tones of the article, which is certainly implied by "controlling crowds", there might be very beneficial applications for the deaf, hearing impaired, etc. However, "negotiate" is still a bad word to use to communicate that possibility.
Check out the MKULTRA section of the Mind Control subsection of the documents at www.theblackvault.com There are thousands of pages on things like using drugs for brainwashing and electricity to induce hypnosis.
The widespread implementation of microwave technology and installation of microwave towers could have a more oppressive purpose. Mind control has been researched for decades, certainly by both america and russia.
/. should be familiar with the clicking buzzing noise, which appears before a mobile phone rings, induced in the cables or electronics of an amplified speaker. This is an everyday demonstration that a appropriately resonant device is quite capable of incidentally registering ubiquitous microwave communication signals.
Some people claim to be sensitive to electrical devices, although this has been shown to be psychosomatic in many properly conducted studies, this phenomenon might now provide a basis for some of their claims.
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It is not a massive leap to suggest that parts of the human ear might be sensitive to the motion due to thermal changes associated with a microwave signal. The question is are our governments already using this technology on the general population?
Sorry. The laser made me do it!
You just got troll'd!
the government IS trying to control my thoughts.
in the 2000 and 2004 elections. Thought control lasers make more sense than the election results did.
It's kind of funny, but the first thing I thought of when seeing this
was the "brain phone" in ghost in the shell, whereby the persons voice can be heard inside the head
(now if we could just get it to be 2 way)
still, there's no telling what long term exposure would do
microwaved brain anyone?
Ad campaigns are already projecting voices into our heads. The technology is slightly different, but the effect is the same.
Anyone read Valis?
This reminds me about a hilarious scene in the movie "Inner Space" where Tuck Pendleton (played by Dennis Quaid) has miniaturized and now inside of Jack Putter (played by Martin Short) Tuck is trying talk by mean of special device and Jack starts to hear Tuck's voice inside of him and then screams "I'm possessed!".
The doctors says we can rule out demonic possession because demons talk through you and not to you.
well' this can happen anytime apparently. http://laugh10.com/jokes/beware-of-voices
non-lethal technologies such as microwave heating.
I think many a feline would disagree about the non-lethality of a microwave oven.
As long as my brain doesn't go all Jiffy-pop.
Ew.
the HyperSonic Sound technology. not a laser, just highly-directed ultrasound. I read about this a few years back in some science magazine (pop sci maybe?). Not only can you point it at someone and have them be the only ones who can hear it, but if pointed at a suitable surface (glass, stone, etc), it will emit sound from that point. imagine a surround sound speaker system contained in a small box, pointing these ultrasonic beams of sound at different parts of the room. You could imagine a completely continuous distribution of sound. goodbye 7.1, hello infinity.1.
neat stuff.
here is a Forbes article from 2003 with a better description of the technology. apparently it relies on an acoustic phenomenon where two different frequencies interact, yielding two new frequencies where one is the sum of the first two and the other is the difference. it also mentions their intended applications (imagine a coke machine beaming sounds of fizzy cola into your brain as you walk by...)
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With a bit of subtlety....
Just have some one with this setup to beam the 'answers' to a contestant.
Or you could go for a variation of the mechanical turk and pwn in chess tournaments.
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A much more likely story as to the "gay bomb" is that some hormone researcher ran out of funds, and in desperation went for DoD money saying he could make a "gay bomb". I doubt the researcher would ever actually be able to make one, nor would there be an effective delivery system. If you can land a bomb that close upwind of them, why not just drop a couple, less expensive bombs and actually kill them instead of just disabling them for a little while?
US Patent 4,877,027
Issue date: Oct 31, 1989
Inventor: Wayne B. Brunkan
Abstract
Sound is induced in the head of a person by radiating the head with microwaves in the range of 100 megahertz to 10,000 megahertz that are modulated with a particular waveform....
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I'd wager on "surrender" for the type of negotiation that I'd vote it most likely to be used in. My second choice is "sex".
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Hmm, wasn't there some international law against torture? And won't this new form of it be exactly as painful and devastating as the older ones? Shouldn't they, like, NOT be investigating this or at least not be letting us know about it?
Just asking...
The GOVERNMENT has been doing MIND CONTROL experiments to induce VOICES IN THE HEAD using technology that can be combatted by TINFOIL HATS.
Maybe there really are alligators in the sewers too.
To err is human. To forgive is good system design.
And, the point of my comment, he gives in and tells them. So they go to attack the hideout. But, the terrorist mastermind was waiting for them (and it isn't their permanent hideout) and takes out the helicopter with a SAM. So even when "torture" works, you still don't know if it is deliberate misinformation. The person under torture doesn't necessarily know whether the information he is trying not to reveal is real or misinformation.
How about you shoot crowds full of microwaves (which does happen and is considered a less then lethal form of crowd control) causing burns on 90% of their skin, then put thoughts in their heads that say they like it. Perfect for any up and coming dictator/G8 meeting facilitator/WTO president!
I'm sure you'd go far with the right employers.
Here's a question: How do torturers practice their skills? How does an agency determine the best way to exact pain? A homeless test subject scooped from the streets has nothing to confess which will stop such "explorations". --Of course, information collection is just an excuse. The real reason people torment one another is to feed, so accuracy is hardly an important issue, except to keep the self-deception spinning so long as it is necessary.
In any case, there is little doubt that you will find yourself one day strapped to a table learning the other side of the coin, karma being what it is. Sadly, compassion is usually learned through direct exposure to suffering.
I suspect my words must sound like babble at the moment, but I'll wish you good luck anyway.
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At least it speaks English.
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http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/12/15/1846234
The idea of creating a focused beam of sound is not new. What the article refers to as "putting voices in people's heads" really is more like aiming an audio source at them that is so narrowly focused that only they can hear it. The science behind this has been around since the first attempts at sonar, though the technology to make practical use of it probably hasn't been around as long. I remember seeing some program on PBS about some audio company (Bose?) working on this to create speakers in cars that would direct sound to a specific seat.
Read here for a fairly simple explanation.
Sounds like it is important for torturers to torture both guilty and innocent people as part of their training. Hopefully, they'll figure out a way to tell them apart!
Stop the brainwash
If there is a "brown noise", could it also be possible to have a "brown wavelength"...
From TFA, it looks like some people in the Pentagon really thought they could develop mind control RF beams. For those who didn't read it, it is about generating pulses of electromagnetic waves directionally (hence the abuse of the word "lasers") in order to make some part of the skull vibrate (to produce sound) or even to trigger neurons in some parts of the brain, mainly to cause spasms and unconsciousness.
I for one am afraid of the military (and police) potential for these, but I am clearly interested to see applications in the civilian market ! If one could trigger very localized parts of the brain, this could give us the feedback loop that is missing in most of the brain-to-computer interfaces made today.
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How feasible would it be for the average citizen to do this to that "MI5 Persecution" guy?
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The difference being that the movies rarely go to the extent that man really will. A former friend, passed away, who served in Vietnam described some stuff the locals would do to get the information they wanted. For all the crap we hear about in Gitmo, Gitmo has nothing on what these monsters would do. The key wasn't to do one person but use a crowd. Let the others see what was coming up. Since most information extracted could be acted on immediately they could verify what they were after.
waterboarding is for sissys was his reply when all the talk about it came on the news, what he saw people of other countries do would shock people and worse it goes on to this day. One of our mutal friends is from Cambodia and the same rule applied...
torture isn't always about getting information, it works very well in cowing many of elements in society who would otherwise try to stop a government, over the long term it eventually turns against the governmetn but some have lasted generations by this fear method
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And I am always leery when they claim it's "non-lethal". A so-called "non-lethal" gun killed a woman after a ball game in Boston not all that long ago.
Some may criticize my Libertarian stance, but this is a good reason why I am. I am against any government that promotes oppression and torture. It is a sign that the government has grown too large and too powerful, and stands poised to strip us of what few remaining freedoms we have left by these "modern technologies."
Well, we can either site around and let it happen, or we can take action -- assuming it's not too late already.
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The summary mentions "microwave heating". The article refers to microwave hearing.
I don't think a conventional microwave oven is something that the Pentagon would have in a top secret document.
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This brings up new forms of rick-rolling, never before thought to be possible! You thought you were safe from it by not getting on the computer? HAHA, that's rich!
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will it remove voices from your head??
If Big Media is the Harvester of Eyes, does that make Apple an arms dealer?