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Kimchi in Space

rtknox00 writes "For astronauts spending months in space, the smallest touch of home can make a big difference. So when South Korea's first astronaut Ko San boards the International Space Station this April he'll be bringing along a hefty supply of kimchi, the national dish of his native country. While bringing a cherished food on a long journey might seem like a simple act, taking kimchi into space required millions of dollars in research and years of work." Science may never get Thorramatur in orbit.

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  1. Awesome! by jimbobborg · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yes, it's nice that they are allowing this, however, I suspect that the smell will permeate everything in the station. Just saying.

    1. Re:Awesome! by antifoidulus · · Score: 5, Funny

      Better than the smell burritos make AFTER they have been eaten.... I would hate to be aboard the first ship that stows away something from burrito king....

    2. Re:Awesome! by Translation+Error · · Score: 5, Funny

      Just wait until someone wants to bring his beloved durian aboard.

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    3. Re:Awesome! by UnanimousCoward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Dude, you know not of what you speak. Being an expert on vernacular-food-related flatulence:

      f(kimchi) >> f(buritto)

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    4. Re:Awesome! by Yvanhoe · · Score: 1

      The people who modded this funny obviously never were in a room where kimchi had been opened.

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    5. Re:Awesome! by Brian+Gordon · · Score: 1

      Cannibalism could be a problem. Research to get humans into space is already done but I'm thinking that's going to be even less popular with the rest of the crew than durian.

    6. Re:Awesome! by Penguinisto · · Score: 1
      Heh - I just hope they have some really, really good methane filters in the station's HVAC system.

      It won't be the food that'll stink up the place so bad, but the unholy farts that can be generated afterwards.

      (The stuff tastes great when it's done right --especially the hotter Winter stuff-- but it damned sure reeks to high Heaven on both ends of the digestive tract...)

      /P

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    7. Re:Awesome! by g0bshiTe · · Score: 5, Funny

      You aparently never have eaten Kimchi before.
      I dated a half Korean girl, her mom used to make it all the time.
      The stuff smells like the ass of a dead dog, tastes great, but leaves you with Montezumas revenge 10x worse than Taco Hell ever thought about doing.

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    8. Re:Awesome! by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      The hell with kimchi in space...what about BEER?!?!?

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    9. Re:Awesome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Montezuma's revenge! hahahahaha, that's classic. MOD PARENT UP +1 FUNNY!

    10. Re:Awesome! by AmaDaden · · Score: 4, Informative
      If that's true there is some terrible news at the end of the article...

      They say kimchi's short shelf life has made exporting it expensive because the need for refrigeration and rapid transport. That has added to the cost in importing countries, limiting sales.

      "During our research, we found a way to slow down the fermentation of kimchi for a month so that it can be shipped around the world at less cost," Mr. Lee said. "This will help globalize kimchi."
    11. Re:Awesome! by stuntpope · · Score: 1

      Not only does it permeate the surroundings, the over-powering garlic smell emanates from the eater of it as if seeping from their pores. Plus, it's not for nothing that there is the term "kimchi fart". Having it sit around on the plate or opened jar is not so noticeable, it's the eating of it, or worse, heating it up, that is so smelly. As for anything else in the refrigerator, well, how about a nice glass of oniony-tasting milk?

    12. Re:Awesome! by stuntpope · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I recently read an article about a famous western chef who spends a lot of time in Korea, who tries to popularize Korean cuisine and use its influences in his cooking.

      He was blunt about kimchi, stating that Koreans need to stop touting kimchi as their finest example of cuisine and westerners' first introduction to Korean food. Instead, they should focus on other Korean delicacies that are more likely to be agreeable to western palettes. If kimchi is the first Korean thing westerners eat, many will stop there and won't bother trying Korean food again. I know Koreans really love their kimchi, but it really is a very different taste for Americans. Nothing like a bowl of garlic and onion kimchi for breakfast, yum... Not!

    13. Re:Awesome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      After living in Korea for four months and eating Kimchi at every meal. (It's served with every meal including breakfast) I would be concerned for the station's plumbing system. Kimchi == Korean Draino

    14. Re:Awesome! by navygeek · · Score: 1

      I think I just wet myself... Thank you for a great laugh!

    15. Re:Awesome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If pickled cabbage digests anything like regular cabbage, I'm sure the other astronauts are really going to appreciate it. At least now they'll have an opportunity to stress test the air scrubbers.

    16. Re:Awesome! by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Durian? I bet you won't even get it into the spaceport ;).

      I actually like durian though.

      Fresh ripe durian smells good to me. It's the _stale_ durian smells that I don't like - e.g. what's left the next day after the "nice" smells are gone.

      As for kimchi I like the red chili + cabbage kimchi too. I'm not sure I'd like the smellier versions of kimchi :).

      On a related note, I didn't like "Chow Tofu" aka "stinky tofu". Tasted like it smelt... Oh yeah, check out belacan sometime - once you heat it up the smell gets stronger ;).

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    17. Re:Awesome! by TheLink · · Score: 1

      "but the unholy farts that can be generated afterwards"

      Imagine the Korean astronaut testing the specific impulse of his personal "reaction jet".

      Whilst the other astronauts test their "forced reactions".

      Koreans are taking repulsion propulsion to new heights (or high heaven as some might say).

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    18. Re:Awesome! by djtachyon · · Score: 2, Funny

      The stuff smells like the ass of a dead dog, tastes great, but leaves you with Montezumas revenge 10x worse than Taco Hell ever thought about doing. FTFA: "Three top government research institutes spent millions of dollars and several years perfecting a version of kimchi that would not turn dangerous when exposed to cosmic rays or other forms of radiation and would not put off non-Korean astronauts with its pungency."

      Hopefully they did a good job ;).

      Korean BBQ in Manhattan is great though. I have been quite a few times. Very easy to find in Koreatown.

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    19. Re:Awesome! by coreyh · · Score: 1

      Perhaps her mother needed to try less subtle hints with you.

    20. Re:Awesome! by layer3switch · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That must be compared to what American culture turned Chinese delicacies into; the fast food junk that we know and eat for less than 5 buck a meal.

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    21. Re:Awesome! by immcintosh · · Score: 1

      That aside, I think his point is right on the money. For somebody with a Western palette, kimchi would not be high on my list of things I would presume they'd find agreeable. In fact, though I can certainly enjoy a lot of Korean food, I honestly can't stand the stuff, and I certainly know a lot of other people who feel the same.

    22. Re:Awesome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Let me get this straight. A western chef is telling Korean people that kimchi should not be their finest national food of Korea? Another fine example of ignorant american trying to push his/her 'insilght' on what's better for other nations around the world. If he is so great at Korean food then do tell on what should be Korea's finest food westerners should eat? 'Agreenable to western palettes'? Is there such thing? Do you mean foods from McDonalds, KFC, Taco Bell?

      There are over 1000 variation of kimchi and it has been made over past 3000 years. They are eaten with every meal, every day. It has no fat and many healthy vitamins.

      You don't like eating kimchi then don't. Koreans will not force you to eat it and they don't consider it rude that people from other nations don't like it.

      Eating kimchi with bowl of rice is better than eating your breakfast sandwich from McDonalds.

    23. Re:Awesome! by stuntpope · · Score: 1

      That's it exactly. The chef was not advocating that Koreans alter their food to suit non-Koreans (nor was I). The point is that there are existing Korean dishes that non-Koreans would likely find delicious more so than kimchi.

    24. Re:Awesome! by d3ac0n · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well if they didn't do a good job, the next article will be about an incident on the international space station that caused all the Kimchi to get blown out the airlock.

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    25. Re:Awesome! by MMC+Monster · · Score: 1

      Tell me about it. I lived with a Korean guy for a couple years and couldn't stand the smell of Kimchi. Eventually I tasted it and it was quite nice.

      That being said, Korean Bar-B-Q is excellent. :-)

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    26. Re:Awesome! by bkr1_2k · · Score: 1

      You've obviously never eaten kimchi. What goes in, must come back out, and it doesn't smell any better the second time around.

      I love to eat the stuff, but it isn't a pleasant smell either way.

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    27. Re:Awesome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Korean BBQ in Manhattan is great though

      I find Mongolian BBQ to be far more impressive. The average Mongolian is much more tender and flavorful than the average Korean.

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    28. Re:Awesome! by Hsoi · · Score: 4, Informative

      Indeed. Being half-Korean myself I know the joys of kimchi but I know it's also rather a large leap for most Western palettes. What I've found works well, when I introduce folks to Korean food, is to start with good old Korean BBQ, like bulgogi and kalbi. That usually goes over very well and opens up people to want to explore Korean food further. I of course do have kimchi on the table, since it is unique to Korean food. But I also put a little bowl of water on the table. Many people find it easier to try kimchi if they first dip it in the water to wash it off... it's not so stout on the first try. It's how my mother introduced me to kimchi, and how I introduced my wife and my kids (as well as many friends). Works well.

    29. Re:Awesome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, I'm American an I like kimchi and Korean barbeque as well. I once traveled to Hong Kong on a Korean airline in business class. For each meal (it was a 21 hour flight), they offered both Korean and western cuisine. I kept asking for Korean dishes, which surprised the stewardess. My theory was that they would do a better job with Korean food than western, and I was right.

      While on the subject of eastern cuisine and western taste, I have no idea why Chinese food is served the way it is [poorly] in America. It's so much better in China and Hong Kong. There is more going on here than can be explained by the taste preferences of Americans. Anyone who has had both would be hard-pressed to choose the American version of Chinese food. I have visited China many times with western colleagues and we all agree. The people who work in American Chinese restaurants are obviously Chinese. What prevents them from serving authentic Chinese food? I just don't get it. Do they keep a stash of "the good stuff" in the back room for themselves?

    30. Re:Awesome! by BiggerBoat · · Score: 1

      We all have different experiences, I guess. I find kimchi to both smell bad and taste bad. But, the times I've tried it (yes, "times" plural -- I've tried various kinds in various dishes), it did not give me the green-apple-quick-step. But then, Taco Bell has never done that to me either (nor do green apples, come to think of it).

    31. Re:Awesome! by G-funk · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Huh? I'm white as, and I love Kimchi. If Kimchi is the essence of Korean food, then it should be part of anybody's introduction to Korean food. Maybe Americans could just branch the fuck out, instead of trying to "westernise" their experience of other peoples' cultures. If you don't actually want to eat foreign food because it might be "icky" then don't. What's the point of having some dumbed down version?

      Now, have a slice of vegemite on toast ya girls ;-)

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    32. Re:Awesome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that shit is so fscking nasty. i tried it once and almost puked all over. tastes like 30-day old moldy diarrhea.

    33. Re:Awesome! by initialE · · Score: 1

      I'd have to say though, that from what I saw when I was in America (2000), there is chinese food, and then there's the stuff that they market to you as chinese food. Apparently not the same, since no chinese person would be caught dead with the stuff you guys are eating.

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    34. Re:Awesome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, they want to explore Korean food, but there's nowhere left to go after that. It is monotonous garbage - everything covered in the same red chili paste. Don't get me wrong I like spice, but Korean food is just dull.

      In fact Korea is easily summed up - Japan minus the style.

    35. Re:Awesome! by ozmanjusri · · Score: 1
      They say kimchi's short shelf life has made exporting it expensive because the need for refrigeration and rapid transport.

      Um, I'm an anglo-aussie and I love kimchi, but there's no way I'd pay for imported stuff.

      Kimchi's astonishingly easy to make.

      1. Chop up a savoy cabbage into bite-sized pieces.
      2. Put cabbage into very salty water overnight.
      3. Blend roughly equal (taste) amounts of garlic, ginger and dried Asian chilli flakes with enough water to make a runny paste.
      4. Adjust the taste with a bit of fish sauce (Korean by preference, but Thai or Vietnamese work ok).
      5. Drain the cabbage, mix with enough of the paste to cover, then store in the fridge for three days to ferment.
      6. Eat for the next week or two.
      7. ???
      8. Profit!
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    36. Re:Awesome! by Quikah · · Score: 1

      I am sure part of it is the difficulty in obtaining the common Chinese ingredients. If your local area does not have a large chinese immigrant community I would imagine it would be tough to get a good supply of ingredients. Do you read/speak chinese? That is also part of it, if you do you can get the authentic chinese dishes in the west, you just need to order off the chinese language menu. They are usually very different from the english menu. Nothing like szechuan pig's stomach on the english menus, but you can get it on the chinese language menu for example.

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    37. Re:Awesome! by TexVex · · Score: 1

      I like kimchi along with a wide variety of other Korean food. I tried a Vegemite sandwich once, and I don't care to repeat the experience. But I'd rather have Vegemite again than try Yuk Hoi. The description on the menu shouldn't be translated to English. Hell, the "yuk" part sounds like what it must taste like, and "hoi" would be the sound you make as you fail to keep it down. And then there's the stuff where they don't bother to put the English translation on the menu. I will be forever content to occasionally wonder what horrors they are hiding from my American eyes..

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    38. Re:Awesome! by tmossman · · Score: 1

      Do they keep a stash of "the good stuff" in the back room for themselves?

      I used to work as a waiter in a Chinese restaurant that had a pretty good reputation for its (American) Chinese food. About 5-10% of the patrons were Chinese, and we had a separate menu in Chinese. Not being Chinese, I have no idea what was on it, but they fed us every shift and, as most of the employees were Chinese, the chef cooked us authentic Chinese food. It was fantastic. A couple weeks after I started, I was thoroughly amazed one evening by a dish involving pork belly, sweet potatoes and ginger. A fellow (Chinese) waiter, upon finding me scrutinizing the English menu, explained that it was something from the Chinese menu. So, to answer your question, yes, they do keep a stock of the good stuff in back. You just have to ask for it. Even if you don't know what specifically to ask for, most Chinese restaurants that I've been to since have been pretty accommodating when I ask for them to cook me up something authentic.

      As for why American Chinese restaurants don't serve more authentic Chinese food, I've no idea. It likely stems from a lack of demand for it. It seems as if the average American has fairly specific expectations about what "should" be on a Chinese restaurant menu. At the restaurant I worked in, the two most common entrees I served were either Sesame Chicken or General Tso's Chicken. Add in a few other stand-bys like [Meat] with Broccoli, Kung Pao Chicken, and Szechuan [Meat], and we probably did 3/4 of our business with under 10 dishes. Fewer if you don't count swapping out the meat.

      Given those kinds of numbers, perhaps it just doesn't make sense for the average Chinese restaurant owner to make that sort of investment in a more authentic menu. A restaurant is already a ridiculously difficult business to operate successfully, so why take the extra risk? Though they'll never beat wings in my opinion, it turns out I really like barbecue chicken feet. But it took me a couple of evenings watching my co-workers devouring them before I cowboyed up and gave them a shot. Same for the pig intestine, and I'd consider myself fairly adventurous food-wise. One of the best things I ate working at this place was a soup that I'm told was some sort of delicacy in China. But had I seen it on a menu before tasting it, I'm not sure I would have taken a chance on it after reading the description that explained how it was made from the egg sacks of a fish.
    39. Re:Awesome! by Basehart · · Score: 1

      Ugh

    40. Re:Awesome! by ScottBob · · Score: 1

      but leaves you with Montezumas revenge 10x worse than Taco Hell ever thought about doing

      Also known as Kimchi Squat. Combined with the fact that Koreans don't use western style sit-down toilets but rather a "bomb sight device" that you straddle, Kimchi Squat takes on a whole new meaning.

    41. Re:Awesome! by dintech · · Score: 1

      My girlfriend is Japanese but really likes Korean style kimuchi amongst other Korean things. She makes some every once in a while and my refrigerator and house get pretty stinky. On trying it I found it's way too strong for me but I think this is a clever ploy. You see, she's found something that I don't find delicious and won't eat all of in seconds.

      When I saw this article a couple of weeks ago I forwarded it to her and she had a good laugh. "Ah, so the Koreans are fueling the rocket this time?" she said. :)

    42. Re:Awesome! by dintech · · Score: 1

      Company Official: The analysis team which went over your shuttle centimeter by centimeter found no physical evidence of the food you describe...

      Astronaut: Good! That's because I blew it out the god-damn airlock!

    43. Re:Awesome! by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      I know Koreans really love their kimchi, but it really is a very different taste for Americans.

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    44. Re:Awesome! by Vadim+Makarov · · Score: 1

      Kimchi takes time to get used to.

      I've stayed in Korea for nine months by now. The first three months, I hated kimchi. After that, I have been in love with it.

      I am definitely looking forward to shipping-ready kimchi, provided it is not made too mild in taste, for the time when I have to leave Korea.

      Maybe, my eventual love for kimchi has had something to do with Russian fermented cabbage (kvashenaya kapusta). After all, I am Russian.

      By the way, the more spicy sauce kimchi is moisetened with and the stronger smell it gives off, the better. The man who serves kimchi to his western friends with a dish of water: I think, you are missing the point!

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    45. Re:Awesome! by MrResistor · · Score: 1

      Korean BBQ is fantastic!

      My own feeling on kimchi is that it works really well as condiment/garnish for meat. It's a lot like sauerkraut; I couldn't stand to eat it straight, but I wouldn't dream of eating a bratwurst without it.

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    46. Re:Awesome! by Vadim+Makarov · · Score: 1

      everything covered in the same red chili paste

      Have you actually eaten Korean food more than once? There is a big variety of side dishes, and many of them are not spicy. Only Kimchi exists in dozens of very different types. I have eaten maybe five of them (if we don't count different flavors of the same type). If anything, Korean everyday food is one of the most diverse in the world. Even the meals you eat it in a dirt-cheap university cafeteria. You either have not seen Korean food, or are a troll.

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    47. Re:Awesome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've seen Korean food for several unpleasant weeks at a time, in the polluted hell of traffic jams that is Seoul. Back to your tractor you stupid Russian peasant.

    48. Re:Awesome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, I see, you probably visited Korea at the wrong time of the year. I, too, hate its summer. May I suggest that the autumn, spring, and maybe the winter are all more enjoyable.

    49. Re:Awesome! by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      They don't know what they're talking about, as near as I can tell. Kimchi is often left to ferment for days or weeks as part of the "normal" process of aging it prior to consumption.

      Hell, I've had a 2 gallon bucket of kimchi sitting on my counter for the past two weeks. It should be ready to eat soon - and its odor isn't even perceptible after the initial prep work is done.

      Just be glad that Scandinavians aren't too heavily into the whole "space exploration" thing. Their traditional foods can't age, and are horribly odorous.

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  2. Millions of dollars? Years of research? by monomania · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...there goes my haggis.

    1. Re:Millions of dollars? Years of research? by Nimey · · Score: 1

      More haggis for us, then.

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    2. Re:Millions of dollars? Years of research? by aproposofwhat · · Score: 4, Funny

      But you can't take a haggis into space - what if yon beastie escapes and runs round and round in wee circles, because everyone knows that the legs on one side are shorter than the other, what with them living in the hills...

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    3. Re:Millions of dollars? Years of research? by Chemicalscum · · Score: 1

      Hey that gives me a great idea haggis and kimchi together. My two favorite dishes. I am of Scottish descent so maybe that's why I love haggis but I have no Korean links and I love kimchi too. Together they would be awesome, I just haven't thought of it before. Make way for His Majesty the Haggis!

  3. kimchi by stoolpigeon · · Score: 0

    is cabbage

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    1. Re:kimchi by Drathos · · Score: 3, Informative

      Not always. I've had several kinds of Kimchi with no cabbage in them whatsoever.

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    2. Re:kimchi by Eddi3 · · Score: 1

      Actually, it's pickled cabbage. And it has a... *strong* smell.

    3. Re:kimchi by cptdondo · · Score: 1

      kimchi is rotten cabbage with fermented garlic. Or maybe fermented cabbage with rotten garlic. Regardless, it smells horrible and your breath smells horrible.

      The Japanese have long called the Koreans garlic eaters as a derogatory name. (There's no love lost between the Koreans and the Japanese. Their mutual animosity goes back at least a thousand years.)

    4. Re:kimchi by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      So, it's essentially sauerkraut?

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    5. Re:kimchi by stoolpigeon · · Score: 1

      I know. "kimchi is cabbage" was a cd title I saw in a used cd store once. Years ago, in Chicago. Whenever anyone mentions kimchi, I am completely controlled by an irresistible urge to blurt it out. There are all kinds of kimchi, though I believe cabbage is the most common.

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    6. Re:kimchi by gnick · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The Japanese have long called the Koreans garlic eaters as a derogatory name. (There's no love lost between the Koreans and the Japanese. Their mutual animosity goes back at least a thousand years.) That's true. But, from what I've seen, the Japanese call most people who are not Japanese derogatory names...
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    7. Re:kimchi by crazyeddie740 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes, and World War II was essentially a frank exchange of opinion.

    8. Re:kimchi by cptdondo · · Score: 1

      Don't most cultures? Look at the 'immigrant' debate in the US....

      Anyway, the standing joke in Japan was that when you first arrive, and you don't know anything, you're a baka na gaijin (stupid foreginer). Once you've been there a while, and you learn the customs and language, you're a henna gaijin (strange foreigner). As always, best to be taken with a dose of humor.

    9. Re:Kimchi by Is0m0rph · · Score: 1

      I've worked in South Korea quite a bit and have eaten tons of Kimchi, even as low as eating it at the cafeteria of the plant I was working at. And I can attest that arizwebfoot does not lie and I would not want to be abort a sealed station with a hefty supply on board. They better have some top notch air scrubbers.

    10. Re:kimchi by jafiwam · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes, if you are looking for a "Western Food" analog that would get everybody to understand quickly.

      There's one HUGE difference though, kimchee is not typically cooked when it's made, whereas sauerkraut is cooked. Both are fermented I think it's the same micro-biology that does it though. And kimchee has at least garlic, usually hot spices, ginger and FISH SAUCE (fermented juice from preserved fish) in it. I use the purified form of the latter, along with usually one or two cans of drained and crushed anchovies for flavor.

      The cool part is that the vitamins in the kimchee stay intact, so you get the vitamin C that was in there along with what is created during fermentation. So if you are in an agrarian society and need a supply of vitamins for the winter, kimchee works well. If you have gut problems it will overwhelm whatever bugs are ailing you, and it gets a slow moving gut running like a well-oiled shotgun if you need that.

      For the uninitiated, kimchee is rather offensive stuff. But properly made home-made kimchee is a comfort food that does wonders. I go from cranky and anxious to happy and relaxed with a few mouth fulls of the stuff. I need to make another batch, am on my last jar come to think of it.

    11. Re:kimchi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Don't most cultures? Look at the 'immigrant' debate in the US....

      You mean the illegal immigrant debate?

      I haven't heard much debate about legal immigrants.

    12. Re:kimchi by Yokaze · · Score: 3, Informative

      > There's one HUGE difference though, kimchee is not typically cooked when it's made, whereas sauerkraut is cooked.

      Sauerkraut is not cooked, when it is made, for exactly the reasons you cited in kimchi.

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    13. Re:kimchi by jafiwam · · Score: 1

      I stand corrected.

      Is it cooked when it's canned? It always seems to me like it's "dead", where as kimchee will bubble and froth if you had the jar closed because the microbes are still alive doing their stuff.

    14. Re:kimchi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Ahh, that's the problem. You're getting the canned stuff. Avoid canned kraut and get the stuff in bags. Much much higher quality.

    15. Re:kimchi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      mmmm...kimchi. Likewise I've had several forms of kimchi with no cabbage in them whatsoever. Radish and cucumber are my favorites (incidentally it's lunch time). I generally hear no complaints about smell unless the kimchi is being boiled/fried/cooked in anyway. If I do, it's usually from those who're "less open" ;-) to new types of food/those afraid of something with a little bit of spice.

    16. Re:kimchi by stuntpope · · Score: 1

      Ok, where do I nominate this for "best of Slashdot"?

    17. Re:kimchi by rrkap · · Score: 1

      Pretty much everything that is canned has to be cooked during the canning process. Traditional uncooked sauerkraut is much better but has a distinctly different flavor than kimchi. I really like sauerkraut but really dislike kimchi. I don't know if the difference is the seasoning (sauerkraut is traditionally just salt and cabbage) or if the different recipes also favor different fermentation processes. This seems likely to me because I'm under the impression that kimchi is usually fermented for 3 or 4 days and has a fairly short shelf-life while sauerkraut takes 1 to 4 weeks and has a longer shelf life.

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    18. Re:kimchi by ytm · · Score: 1

      Sauerkraut is best not cooked, there are however dishes like Polish http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigos where cooking brings something new to the flavour.

    19. Re:kimchi by mstahl · · Score: 1

      gets a slow moving gut running like a well-oiled shotgun

      Unless you're REALLY backed up, I don't think you want your colon converted into a shotgun!

    20. Re:kimchi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, mostly people complain about immigrants. Mostly they mean illegal immigrants, but they rarely specifically say so. The opponents of the anti-immigrants also like to miss the distinction when they argue that most of the people here are descended from immigrants.

    21. Re:kimchi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gaijin is not particularly offensive, at least no more than "foreigner" (which you don't call your friends from abroad, but otherwise it's pretty vanilla). Unfortunately there's a whole host of other names the Japanese have for Koreans...

    22. Re:kimchi by mckinnsb · · Score: 1

      In the public media, yes, you are correct, there isn't much debate about legal immigrants.

      Internally within congress or in our bureaucracy, however, there might be a great deal of debate. Except, "Policies regarding awarding a foreign citizen an extended Visa" (of any type) just doesn't make for juicy headline news. I have a friend of mine from France who was educated in the United States (in a top 100 ranked school), and for a while she tried to get a visa to live in the US, but failed. From what she has told me, it is extremely difficult, even for people that speak english, are highly educated, and financially solid.

      This is, however, off-topic. I tried Kimchi once, and while I can appreciate that it is a comfort food for some people, it really just was never my thing, and falls into a category of foods for me which also include "Vegimite".

    23. Re:kimchi by localman · · Score: 1

      Oh there's plenty of complaining about legal immigrants too. In fact it's only recently that the complaint seemed to switch to illegal immigration because the complainers weren't making any friends complaining about the legal folks.

      Regardless of your position on immigration, it's worth noting that just because something is illegal doesn't actually make it bad or wrong. If you don't understand that, then, well, you should go read some history books.

      Cheers.

    24. Re:kimchi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and it gets a slow moving gut running like a well-oiled shotgun if you need that. Just after I read that the burrito I ate last night started acting up and had me running to the bathroom.
      15 minutes sitting on the can thinking about shotguns. Sigh.
    25. Re:kimchi by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      One particular difference is that racial discrimination is, if not completely legal, at least culturally acceptable in Japan.

    26. Re:kimchi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How this particular stereotyping comment is relevant to the current discussion about space kimchi, much less worthy of a +3 mod, is beyond me....

    27. Re:kimchi by jafiwam · · Score: 1

      Not a kimchee expert, but good enough... :)

      It takes approximately 650 - 800 degree days to prepare kimchee (Temp in F times day) at the very least, and that's if you "prime" it with juice from a previous live batch. (Like sourdough bread priming, or, beer...)

      Starting from a standard kitchen, you probably need more than that because you need to let the trace bacteria get started. With a prime, you already flooded it with dormant ones of the right kind. So figure 10 days to make, and about 4 months on the fridge shelf. Then another 4 months on the fridge shelf if you don't mind it being a little old.

      For best results, I'd say the coldest corner of your basement to start it (you can leave it there for 8 months if you want, but it will lose crunch) and once the flavor "spikes" (fish, garlic, salt, heat, cabbage/veggie) fade into one, it's done. I use a big mixing bowl, plastic wrap pressed on the top, and then a plate to hold it down, and then the cover, and then a garbage bag around the whole thing as my fermenting container. (You don't need special jars.) Then transfer to a lightly closed mason jar with a ziplock bag around it to the fridge. I had one batch OVER A YEAR in the fridge and it was edible.

      For best results, make it once a month in small batches (1 nappa cabbage head worth) and you will have a constant supply of peak-tasting kimchee.

      I use it on burgers, with rice and fried egg, as a garnish (like I said, in a martini), as a snack, and to annoy my co-workers. It's good on a cracker, with some cheese or tuna fish, you have a meal right there.

      If you want to try some, try the daikon radish kimchee from your local Korean mart, it's sweeter and easier to deal with.

      DONT buy the stuff from the big-box store, that has traveled a long way and wont be very good. Go where the Koreans go to get it. DO read the instructions, it will foam up like a soda bottle and spray kimchee juice all over when you first open it.

    28. Re:kimchi by jafiwam · · Score: 1

      Note, above, once it has "blended" flavor, it's ready to eat. So, ten days or so to eat it. It's good to eat for about 8 months afterwards.

    29. Re:kimchi by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      My wife recently learned how to make kimchi (a cabbage variety) from a local Korean woman (small community, she's the only one - poor her). I'll have to give it a try.

      I'm the kind of person who's "comfort food" involves homemade deer sausage (hint: why waste an animal's intestines?) with sauerkraut, horseradish, and spicy mustard - with some blu cheese and crackers and a cold beer on the side. And we put garlic (like, 4-5+ cloves) in everything.

      Ok, that's more like a comfort meal, but I've got a horribly fast metabolism. ;)

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  4. Coca-Cola by pipatron · · Score: 1

    What about Coca-Cola? No geek can go without it.

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    1. Re:Coca-Cola by hakubi · · Score: 5, Informative

      They tried this awhile ago. You can't have carbonated beverages in a near-weightless environment because belching would result in vomiting up your food. As a result, the Coke had to be flat. Basically, it tasted really nasty and they've not tried it since that I know of.

    2. Re:Coca-Cola by MosesJones · · Score: 1

      Coca-Cola? Hand in your geek card now.

      Valid answers are the likes of Red Bull and other energy drinks that are banned in some countries because of the amount of stimulants in them. Also acceptable are amounts of coffee that are either measured in gallons or espresso and Turkish coffees.

      The basic rule is that a geek drink should contain so much caffeine or other stimulants that your heart stops, thus requiring another mouthful to get it started again.

      Coke? Hell even Arts Majors drink that.

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    3. Re:Coca-Cola by Higaran · · Score: 1

      Yea, coke what are you thinking, you must have never tried Jolt or Bawls those are geek drinks.

    4. Re:Coca-Cola by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a new one here in Ireland call "burn", dunno if it's elsewhere. In addition to the usual caffeine and taurine, it is laden with theobromine (the chemical in chocolate that kills dogs, though humans can metabolise it in moderate quantities). The buzz from it is quite nice (like drinking 10 mochas I guess), but it carries a warning "not for pregnant or lactating women"...

    5. Re:Coca-Cola by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should perhaps look at the Mana Potion on Thinkgeek. Twice the caffeine of a Red Bull, and 1/6th of the size.
      Pop a couple penguin mints, down them with one of these, and Barry Allen (Wally for the younger crowd, Jay for all the older folks) will resign his job to you.

    6. Re:Coca-Cola by Albert+Sandberg · · Score: 1

      ... which is from the coca cola company, they just want in on the energy drink action... but it tastes quite ok though :)

    7. Re:Coca-Cola by mscholin · · Score: 1

      Don't know about you but those energy drinks just give me a major case of heart burn. All that caffeine and other crap does is act like acid in my belly. But I can drink Mountain Dew all day with no problems.

    8. Re:Coca-Cola by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      "Red Bull?"

      Get out of here and go back to your raves and your jello shots, you impostor.

      There is only one energy drink worthy to be converted into code. It comes in a textured blue (or clear, for the sugar-free type) bottle and is impossible to find anywhere besides thinkgeek now that CompUSA has gone tits-up.

    9. Re:Coca-Cola by pipatron · · Score: 1

      Claiming that Red Bull and Jolt and other random crap is a hacker drink is like thinking it's cool to drink ethanol at a party. Only gamers drink it, and no hacker with any self respect would ever think about it!

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    10. Re:Coca-Cola by Aphex+Junkie · · Score: 1

      Impossible to find? Around here they sell it at every 7-11

    11. Re:Coca-Cola by toddbert · · Score: 1

      So, in a near-weightless environment, if belching would result in vomiting what would farting result in? Crapping your shorts? Looks like the inhabitants of the ISS are in for a rough ride...

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    12. Re:Coca-Cola by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Where is "here?" It may be time for me to relocate. As much as I love the stuff, I aint paying $40 + shipping for it

    13. Re:Coca-Cola by Mr.+Roadkill · · Score: 1

      So, in a near-weightless environment, if belching would result in vomiting what would farting result in? Crapping your shorts?
      The difference is that your stomach contents will be near-liquid, and your bowel contents less so. Belching while upright on earth doesn't usually result in vomiting because the gas separates from the rest of your stomach contents and bubbles up to the top, where you can belch it up and stop when you start hitting the more substantial contents... in free-fall the separation might result in large bubbles of gas, but not anything that your stomach could easily separate out from the rest of the contents without the aid of gravity. If you've got liquid bowel contents, then farting isn't wise no matter where you are - if you've got well-formed stools then the gas should pass around the fecal matter without crapping your shorts, no gravity required.

      ...I can't believe I just answered that question.
    14. Re:Coca-Cola by toddbert · · Score: 1

      Neither can I. You have obviously given this a lot of thought. I especially liked... "If you've got liquid bowel contents, then farting isn't wise no matter where you are". Ha!

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    15. Re:Coca-Cola by vonart · · Score: 1

      I don't know where the GP is, but I'm in Springfield, MA and every 7-11 for miles around has Bawls.

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  5. Uh by afidel · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Millions? How many scientist man years does it take at ~$300K/year to study a single food item?

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    1. Re:Uh by contraba55 · · Score: 1

      Guess cabbage is pretty complicated... Can only hack it with a knife

    2. Re:Uh by MrMr · · Score: 1

      About 0.1.
      But they also needed:
      a project manager with secretarial staff at 600K/year
      at least two IP lawyers with secretarial staff at 1000K/year
      a PR department fully staffed at 1000K/year
      a HR department to make sure the right people are hired at 300K/year
      an IT department for all of the above at 600K/year
      a building with sufficient parking space at 200K/year
      a pound of cabbage.

    3. Re:Uh by blueg3 · · Score: 1

      Scientists working with no equipment or supplies could take a very long time to make much progress at all.

      Creating or purchasing custom equipment and infrastructure is a huge expense. (Guys in their basements have lower infrastructure costs, but much worse success rates.)

    4. Re:Uh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Well, because it is extremely expensive to put anything into orbit. You want to make sure that it won't cause problems.

      For example:

      - Will the air filters handle the aromatic chemicals given off? You can't just open the windows.
      - Will it survive the g-forces of liftoff?
      - What is the shelf life? How perishable is it?
      - Does it break down easily for the sanitation system?
      - Will it react with other things?
      - Is it easy to prepare and eat in microgravity?
      - Does the smell annoy other astronauts and reduce their productivity?

      When it costs millions (billions?) to send things into orbit, these aren't trivial questions.

  6. mm.. by newbie56k · · Score: 5, Funny

    So thats where our tax money went... researching the fluid mechanics of kimchi in 0 g..

    1. Re:mm.. by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Don't knock it. It's designed to double as a medicinal vomit-inducer for the Americans onboard.

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    2. Re:mm.. by Jurily · · Score: 1

      So you're South Korean?

    3. Re:mm.. by monk2b · · Score: 2, Informative

      Bro, there is only Korean and North Korea

    4. Re:mm.. by crossmr · · Score: 1

      I guess you weren't aware that South Koreans only pay 3% income tax....

  7. reminds me by arabagast · · Score: 1

    of this little "delicacy". mm, boiled sheep head.

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  8. The Kimchi has gotten loose! by the_skywise · · Score: 4, Funny

    The spice! It's in my eyes! AUUUGHH! It burns!! The goggles... they do nothing!

    1. Re:The Kimchi has gotten loose! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The spice must flow.

    2. Re:The Kimchi has gotten loose! by dintech · · Score: 1

      He who contols the spice, controls the universe. Well, at least the little bit of universe our Korean friends find themselves in.

  9. Well, I guess... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    in space no one can hear you fart.

    1. Re:Well, I guess... by catdevnull · · Score: 5, Funny

      If I had mod points, I'd promote this to +5 funny. I laughed so hard I farted myself.

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    2. Re:Well, I guess... by polemon · · Score: 1

      Nobody can hear you fart, but everyone will notice that little "nebula" you left behind...

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    3. Re:Well, I guess... by mcwolfzhang · · Score: 1

      I'm wondering in 0 g how far the fart will push the astros. Any scientific evaluation on this?

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    4. Re:Well, I guess... by ecavalli · · Score: 1

      Not to detract from the levity of this joke, but isn't it also entirely true?

      I'd imagine that between the constant low-level hum of the background machinery and the omnipresent air purification systems on board any orbiting craft that flatulence would go almost entirely unnoticed, especially compared to here on Earth.

      Anyone wanna point out some otherwise useless empirical data on the effect of farts on astronauts in orbit?

  10. dangerous precedent by OglinTatas · · Score: 1

    I thought they banned "Mexican night" on the ISS because of the limited air supply, but they are letting this guy take his spicy sauerkraut? This kimchi thing sets a dangerous precedent.

  11. soylent green by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

    is people!

  12. Well, at least... by msauve · · Score: 4, Insightful

    it's not durian.

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    1. Re:Well, at least... by raddan · · Score: 4, Funny

      Funny story about that. A coworker of mine married a Vietnamese woman, and seeing as how they both love durian, they decided to have a durian wedding cake. Now, since the wedding was held in the US, most of the guests were, shall we say, unfamiliar with the fruit. The highlight of the evening was a small child who took a bite of the cake, and who burst into tears crying, "I can't make the taste go away!". My first experience with durian (in bubble tea) caused my colleagues at the table to start to complain that the restaurant must have seated them next to a trash can-- until they realized the smell was coming from my drink. Ahh, there really is nothing like durian in the West.

    2. Re:Well, at least... by Mr.+Sanity · · Score: 2, Funny

      That reminds me: while living in Thailand, I discovered that you can eat and drink on the buses. That's always convenient when you've got to get across town & need breakfast too. However, every rule has its limits. Nobody is allowed to eat durian on the bus. I am so thankful too. Although the fruit is supposed to be delicious, it smells like used diapers.

    3. Re:Well, at least... by logicioner · · Score: 1

      Wtf is wrong with durian?! I'm Southeast Asian, you insensitive clod!

    4. Re:Well, at least... by mw13068 · · Score: 1

      My wife and I had recently watched "The Private Life of Plants" -- a phenomenal series hosted by Sir David Attenboro in which he describes durian and it's lovely taste and disgusting pungent smell.

      Anyway, we saw it on the menu of our local Vietnamese take-out place, and decided "what the heck" and ordered some. Throughout our meal at home we could vaguely smell it from its sealed container and when the time came, we opened it and proceeded to try not to gag as we each took a small bite, which tasted like a cross between sweet caramel and rotten eggs.

      We both had to take a couple of shots of tequila to rid our mouths of the stank, and we put the remaining portion in a plastic zip-lock bag outside in the trash can.

      As far as kim chee goes, sometimes I like it, and sometimes it makes me kind of sick to think about it. Would not take it into space with me.

    5. Re:Well, at least... by rufo · · Score: 1

      I've heard from people with durian experiences, and apparently if it's not fresh it's really pretty skanky.

      If you get a good one, however, it really is supposed to be absolutely wonderful-tasting. Still smells horrible, though.

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    6. Re:Well, at least... by magarity · · Score: 1

      as we each took a small bite
       
      This was the cause of the problem. Taste and smell are closely linked so that a strong smell will have an effect on your perception of taste. However, durians taste REALLY GOOD. So if you have the fortitude to take a large bite then it stops smelling so bad and you just have a delicious custard creme taste.
       
      The hard part is getting people to take a large bite on faith. It's fun and informative to take a durian to a party and see when it really comes down to putting their mouth... er, where their mouth is, who of your friends really is adventurous and who just puts on airs.

    7. Re:Well, at least... by StikyPad · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Pfft.. at least it's not Balut.

      WARNING: Do not click if you are easily disturbed.

      (Yes, it's SFW. Sort of.)

  13. Fresh Kimchi? by PIPBoy3000 · · Score: 4, Informative
    I see they were taking it already canned, but why not get it freshly fermented? The hard part about Kimchi is the fermentation step. Since you can't bury it in the ground as tradition requires, they've fortunately come up with a patented fermentation system:

    A Kimchi fermentation or cool storage apparatus comprises a chamber for either fermenting or coolly storing Kimchi, the chamber being formed of a hollow barrel with opened upper end; a cover for either entering or enclosing the chamber; a thermoelectric module for heating or cooling the chamber, the thermoelectric module being mounted on the outside of the bottom wall of the chamber; a power supplying section for supplying electric power with the thermoelectric module; a temperature sensing section for sensing the interior temperature of the chamber; and, a microprocessor for receiving the temperature signal from the temperature sensing section, for controlling the power supplying section to keep the chamber at a reference fermentation temperature for a predetermined time duration while fermenting Kimchi, and keep the chamber at a reference storage temperature while coolly storing Kimchi. I know people complain about the high costs of our space program, but the spin-off technologies make our lives so much better.
    1. Re:Fresh Kimchi? by cromar · · Score: 1

      You know... I have a big (gallon) jar that I just stick in the fridge for a few weeks. Works fine!

    2. Re:Fresh Kimchi? by wodgy7 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Believe it or not, those kind of high-tech kimchi refrigerators are *huge* in Korea now. They're pretty much the #1 "must have" home appliance in Korea. There's a good Wikipedia article: Kimchi fridge

    3. Re:Fresh Kimchi? by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      I see they were taking it already canned, but why not get it freshly fermented?
      Yes, I can see it now: A kimchi jar in the corner... Perfict. NASA could spend millions on the technology, but Hyundi will bring it in for $7599.99...
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    4. Re:Fresh Kimchi? by White+Flame · · Score: 1

      I see they were taking it already canned, but why not get it freshly fermented? The hard part about Kimchi is the fermentation step. Since you can't bury it in the ground as tradition requires, they've fortunately come up with a patented fermentation system [freepatentsonline.com]:
      TFA says they do not want the fermentation bacteria and other related microbes up in space. So, no.
    5. Re:Fresh Kimchi? by mb108 · · Score: 1

      Seriously folks... I love technology as much as the next /.er, but if sticking it in the ground is the way it's always been done, that's good enough for me.

    6. Re:Fresh Kimchi? by Zordak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm still waiting for the invention that they use to get the kimchi scent out of the ISS fridge.

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    7. Re:Fresh Kimchi? by FrameRotBlues · · Score: 1

      So... public parks next to apartment buildings in Seoul would look like a gopher infestation? I have a hard time imagining the amount of dirt it would take to hold Seoul's supply of fermenting kimchi. I can totally see the little refrigerators being part of a modern version of an old custom.

      I'm sure it works great in rural areas, and it's cool that it doesn't require any electricity. (Pun intended.)

    8. Re:Fresh Kimchi? by Homebrewed · · Score: 1

      I'm a huge fan of Korean food, and especially kimchi. And after reading the various comments, I have to say that if you eat kimchi regularly, no, it will not mess with your stomach, etc. It actually is better for your digestive system than yogurt. But here's the question about spending this cash that I have. while I really like the kimchi I get that's made locally at my friendly Korean market, it is also available in aseptic packaging. Wouldn't it be easier and cheaper just to use aseptic-packaged kimchi?

  14. Ehe Future by pizzach · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I can't wait until we see kimchi commercialized in this new form. Maybe it will be something like instant ramen noodle is to us now?

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    1. Re:Ehe Future by RealGrouchy · · Score: 1

      Maybe, but there better not be any pirates swearing allegiance to a Flying Kimchi Monster, or there'll be hell* to pay!

      (*in the form of global warming)

      - RG>

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  15. Only one 'r' in 'óramat' by BadDoggie · · Score: 1

    And it's not a "comfort food" by any stretch of the imagination. It's pretty much eaten only out of respect for one's ancestors.

    1. Re:Only one 'r' in 'óramat' by UnanimousCoward · · Score: 1

      Okay, I'll bite on this troll-of-a-msg. You're kidding, right? I know lots of NON-Koreans who consider it comfort food.

      And it's not a "comfort food" by any stretch of the imagination. It's pretty much eaten only out of respect for one's ancestors.

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    2. Re:Only one 'r' in 'óramat' by BadDoggie · · Score: 1

      I meant óramat, not kimchee which I also like (although I prefer kadokee -- same shit but with daikon radish instead of cabbage.

  16. Great idea by Stanislav_J · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Bad enough any space station eventually ends up smelling like a men's room in Jersey City after a while.....they really want to add kimchi to the mix?

    I encountered kimchi once. Imagine, if you will, the stinkiest, foulest, most gag-inducing fart you have ever smelled. Kimchi is worse.

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    1. Re:Great idea by kamapuaa · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Kimchi is pretty good. I'm not Korean but it's pretty common in Hawai'i, it obviously has a smell but I've never heard anyone complain about it. I can't imagine what kind of white-bread Twinkie-eating motherfucker you must be, to have only tried it once, and thought it was so revolting.

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    2. Re:Great idea by Stanislav_J · · Score: 3, Funny

      ...what kind of white-bread Twinkie-eating motherfucker you must be...

      Hey -- how did you find out about both my diet and my sexual habits? See -- this is why we need protection of our personal data....

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    3. Re:Great idea by element-o.p. · · Score: 1

      There's a really good restaurant in the city where I live that is run by a Korean family. The food was pretty good, so I ate there a lot, and got to know the people working there. One day they had a big family get-together at the restaurant, complete with several varieties of kimchi. One of the people working there saw me, and brought a plate full of the different kinds of kimchi to me. I had eaten their kimchi before and liked it, so I eagerly tried the other types, too. Most were really good, but one in particular was just nasty. If he got hold of one of the more...ummm...exotic types of kimchi, I can understand exactly how he could have only tried it once and thought it was revolting.

      On the flip side, I've eaten a lot of poorly prepared Western foods that were pretty revolting too, even though the exact same food when prepared well is absolutely delicious. Not everyone is equally gifted in the kitchen, unfortunately.

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    4. Re:Great idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      it obviously has a smell but I've never heard anyone complain about it. I can't imagine what kind of white-bread Twinkie-eating motherfucker you must be, to have only tried it once, and thought it was so revolting.

      I eat Kimchee and like it.. Korean food is one of my top favorites.

      BUT... once upon a time I worked at Ford and there was this Korean guy one aisle over in cubicle land. When he uncorked his kimchee at lunch it made my eyes water from 20 feet away! It actually made some of us nauseous. We'd go stand at the end of our aisle for a breath and people would walk by and give us dirty looks (I'm sure we had that "I didn't fart!" look).

      I guess he had the real deal from home and that it was much stronger than the stuff commonly served at Korean restaurants. So I can understand the confusion when some folks are saying it just doesn't smell that bad. A few of us finally had to complain to facilities because it really was disruptive. They asked me if I'd spoken with him about it and I had to reply "No. Can you imagine his breath?"

      Of course now that my palette has matured I'd probably ask him for some...

    5. Re:Great idea by fbjon · · Score: 1
      I've had the real deal rural home-made kimchi, as well as numerous restaurant versions, and I still don't think it smells particularly bad, if anything. I can think of many dishes that are orders of magnitude worse, even. Is it just my nose, or is it other people's noses?


      In fact, I've never even heard of kimchi smelling bad before this!

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    6. Re:Great idea by Soporific · · Score: 1

      Have this with it. Yummy!

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Century_egg

      ~S

    7. Re:Great idea by dintech · · Score: 1

      I'm all for peace and harmony and all that, but that was pretty funny.

  17. I pity the poor astronauts. by RealProgrammer · · Score: 1

    Kimchi stinks when you cook it. It just does. Especially in a microwave. Ye gods, the stench.

    At least if the Korean's gastronomy is used to it, he won't foul the air twice.

    But the Westerners had better lay off the stuff, or there will be hell to pay.

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    1. Re:I pity the poor astronauts. by cromar · · Score: 1

      Dude... you're not supposed to cook kimchi.

    2. Re:I pity the poor astronauts. by UnanimousCoward · · Score: 1

      Dude, you CAN cook kimchi. It is the essential ingredient in one of my wife's favorite dishes...

      Dude... you're not supposed to cook kimchi.

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    3. Re:I pity the poor astronauts. by cromar · · Score: 1

      Well I'll be damned. Looks tasty ^__^

    4. Re:I pity the poor astronauts. by Schmendr1ck · · Score: 1

      I'm a caucasian American who has been to Korea twice, and I love kimchi. And I don't recall fouling the air too badly, or at least nobody told me if I did. The smell and taste seem to vary, probably depending on how long it has fermented before you eat it. Kimchi isn't normally cooked, but I've eaten it grilled once and it didn't stink at all (though that kimchi was relatively mild to begin with).

      If you RTFA, you'll find that the "space kimchi" has been irradiated to stop the fermentation process, and has been treated in some way to significantly reduce the smell. Those steps should produce a kimchi that is milder and potentially less offensive to the non-Koreans on board.

    5. Re:I pity the poor astronauts. by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      Ditto. I've been to Korea twice. The Kimchi varied, was never too offensive and I have no memory of it smelling too bad. It didn't make me fart. I think people are making this stuff up.

      However there is nothing to compare in nastiness to the icky, squishy, fishy stuff I had to eat at some super classy Seoul restaurant, except maybe the silkworm lavae they sell on the street to kids.

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    6. Re:I pity the poor astronauts. by stuntpope · · Score: 1

      Kimchi soup, anyone? My wife often spoons the kimchi out of the jar and into a saucepan, then boils it. This makes my eyes water and the entire house will smell. Love may be blind, for me, it must be olfactory dysfunctional.

    7. Re:I pity the poor astronauts. by fbjon · · Score: 1
      I agree, I'm wondering if kimchi outside of korea is for some reason more foul-smelling.


      The larvae aren't all that bad though. A strange taste for sure, but not really particularly strong.

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    8. Re:I pity the poor astronauts. by Schmendr1ck · · Score: 1

      I never got up the nerve to try the larvae - next time, maybe.

  18. Ugh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just flying from NYC to Seoul on Korean Air is bad enough. Can't imagine being stuck in a confined space with all of the pre- and post- digestive smells associated with kimchi and the astronaut consuming it.

  19. Kimchi and alpha-galactosidase by BStorm · · Score: 2, Funny

    The space stations is a small enclosed space with air recirculating. The other astronaunts will thank South Korea for spending the millons of dollars ensuring that Kimchi is safe for space. Without the addition of alpha-galactosidase things could potentially get really nasty the day after eating Kimchi. The thought of the astronauts moving around the cabin being "jet propelled", leaves a silly grin on my face.

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    1. Re:Kimchi and alpha-galactosidase by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately the efficacy of Beano is dubious, at best.

  20. Have you smelled Kimchi? by Sgt_Jake · · Score: 1

    It smells nasty. I don't know what the research was, but I bet it started with "Dude - how long has this $*t been in the fridge?". The other scientist said "back off man, that's my lunch. I'm taking to the international space station." An argument amongst scientists ensues, research grants are approved, and the dude with the Kimchi won. And if he doesn't eat it in the air lock, the others are going to kill him.

    1. Re:Have you smelled Kimchi? by ksheff · · Score: 1

      No kidding. Some guys at college ate that stuff and it would stink up the entire floor. Anyone that gets on the ISS in the next year or so will be muttering "F@#$#%@#$ Koreans" due to the stench.

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    2. Re:Have you smelled Kimchi? by conureman · · Score: 1

      LMAO- If only I hadn't already RTA & posted on this, I've got mod points...
      Actually I think the existing air purification must be one of the seven wonders of the modern world, and if it ain't, I don't think you could give me a ticket up there.

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  21. But what about Greep? by Borealis · · Score: 1

    I think the subject says it all.

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  22. Re:What country? by TheMeuge · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Where do scientists earn $300k/year?

    In the U.S., you have to be a tenured department chair, with a Howard Hughes fellowship or the likes of it... in order to make $300k/year as a scientist. I figure about 0.001% of all scientists fit that bill.

    Graduate Students: $0 - $25k/year ($40-60k/year in the industry, as a technician)
    Post Docs: $25k-35k/year ($40-100k/year in the industry, as a junior scientist, i.e. technician)
    Fellows: $35-50k/year
    Assistant/Associate professors: $50-60k/year
    Full Professors w/o fellowships, etc: $60-150k/year

    The vast majority of all scientists in the U.S. have trouble making ends meet... not earning $300k/year... and I am talking about the BIOMEDICAL scientists, who are the HIGHEST PAID.

  23. Kimchi by arizwebfoot · · Score: 1

    Love it, but only with a lot, a lot of beer.
    The problem with Kimchi is the farts.
    Those farts can kill rats at a hundred yards.

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  24. Troubleshooting by snowful · · Score: 2, Funny
    "Just a moment. Just a moment. I've just picked up a fault in the AE-35 unit. It's going to go 100% failure in 72 hours."

    Dak-Ho, would you suit up and go check that out, please?

  25. What about his fellow travelers? by jht · · Score: 4, Funny

    Taking kimchi up in space - man, the smell of that stuff is brutal - and in space, you can't exactly crack the windows when he starts farting now, can you? Seriously, just because you _can_ take a smelly, nasty food up in space because people of your ethnicity eat it doesn't mean you _should_ take it up. There's the "bringing home with you so you don't get so lonely" deal but there's also the "having to live in a confined space with several other people that have nothing in common with you" deal. And bringing food that has a >0 chance of really bugging your fellow astronauts isn't the greatest idea. What's next, having an Icelandic astronaut bring some håkarl up, too?

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    1. Re:What about his fellow travelers? by aseth · · Score: 1

      When I had a chance to go to Iceland, I found that Hákarl wasn't a tenth as gross as I had hoped it would be. Sure, it tasted like a piece of tuna that was wrapped in sweaty gym socks and left out overnight, but it was a whole lot better than some of the Chinese food in the Boston area.

    2. Re:What about his fellow travelers? by flabbergast · · Score: 1

      There, I fixed that for you...

      Taking tomatoes up in space - man, the smell of that stuff is brutal - and in space, you can't exactly crack the windows when he starts farting now, can you? Seriously, just because you _can_ take a smelly, nasty food up in space because people of your ethnicity eat it doesn't mean you _should_ take it up. There's the "bringing home with you so you don't get so lonely" deal but there's also the "having to live in a confined space with several other people that have nothing in common with you" deal. And bringing food that has a >0 chance of really bugging your fellow astronauts isn't the greatest idea. What's next, having an Icelandic astronaut bring some håkarl up, too?

      Your ethnocentric views make me laugh. The smell and taste of tomatoes make me want to puke. The smell and taste of kimchee make me salivate. Just because you find it "nasty" doesn't mean everybody does. I didn't ask my roommates to stop buying tomatoes because they don't understand that almost all food is an acquired taste. And I don't buy kimchee for the sake of civility in the apartment. But to them, whatever they were raised on is "normal" and everything outside of that boundary is "weird." Another example is sushi: one of them refuses because "its just weird" and "unsanitary". And another only recently started eating it but it still makes him queasy. I'm sure in the past someone has brought meatloaf or some other awful concoction up into space for the sake of comfort. Why can't this Korean bring kimchee?

    3. Re:What about his fellow travelers? by dubbreak · · Score: 1
      From the Hákarl Wikipedia page:

      Chef Anthony Bourdain, who has travelled extensively throughout the world sampling local cuisine for his Travel Channel show No Reservations, has described shark orramatur as "the single worst, most disgusting and terrible tasting thing" he has ever eaten.
      I think I'll opt out on the fermented/rotted shark. Thanks.
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    4. Re:What about his fellow travelers? by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      When I had a chance to go to Iceland, I found that Hákarl wasn't a tenth as gross as I had hoped it would be.

      So, um, why exactly were you hoping it would taste more gross than it did? Do you have some goal of eating disgusting things?

      I'm afraid I don't get it. Anything which is described as something which will likely cause you to "gag involuntarily on the first attempt to eat it due to the high ammonia content" sounds like something I'd not try.

      Cheers
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    5. Re:What about his fellow travelers? by jht · · Score: 3, Insightful
      It's not about _my_ being ethnocentric - it's about trying to have a lack of ethnocentric foods in space. Astronauts should be screened before sending them up to see what you can realistically send up. Cuisine for spaceflight should try and match up favorably with the tastes of all the people on board, or at least be inoffensive to all of them. Kimchi might be perfectly fine for a crew of all Koreans, but I'm sure there's plenty of foods in Korean cuisine that can give a crew member a taste of home without stinking up the joint. If the Korean crewmember hates tomatoes like you do, then foods with a strong tomato smell should be kept off the ISS, too. NO STEWED TOMATOES IN SPACE!

      /Loves sushi

      //Likes kimchi fine myself

      ///Finds most ethnic cuisines to be at least worth a try

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    6. Re:What about his fellow travelers? by Greyfox · · Score: 1
      You CAN zip his ass into his space suit though. If being stuck in his suit with a case of kim-chee gas doesn't deter him from eating the stuff more than once, nothing will.

      On that note, I think I'll have to get some for lunch!

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    7. Re:What about his fellow travelers? by Estanislao+Mart�nez · · Score: 1

      It's not about _my_ being ethnocentric - it's about trying to have a lack of ethnocentric foods in space.

      And of course, all the food choices that you'll find "not ethnocentric" will be from your culture. Like, say, tomatoes.

    8. Re:What about his fellow travelers? by Johnny5000 · · Score: 1

      Chef Anthony Bourdain, who has travelled extensively throughout the world sampling local cuisine for his Travel Channel show No Reservations, has described shark orramatur as "the single worst, most disgusting and terrible tasting thing" he has ever eaten.


      Of course, that was before he tried the barely-cooked warthog anus in Namibia.
      I wonder how they compare?
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    9. Re:What about his fellow travelers? by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      ///Finds most ethnic cuisines to be at least worth a try

      How about another popular Korean favorite?

    10. Re:What about his fellow travelers? by trytoguess · · Score: 1

      No real idea why that would offend. We already eat pigs who I believe are considered smarter than dogs. I suppose it's cause dogs form packs with anything, though since almost all the domesticatd mamals can form bonds with humans....

  26. Dude -- ever been to Korea? by RealProgrammer · · Score: 1

    They cook it. The boil it, stew it, and bake it; they put it in salads, sandwiches, and snack trays.

    But I'll grant you that it doesn't smell bad unless you cook it, so I'd certainly agree that it's something best not done.

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    1. Re:Dude -- ever been to Korea? by jafiwam · · Score: 1

      If you shake the juice off and pat it dry, it makes a pretty damn good gin martini garnish too.

  27. "Prepare to experience chaos" by WindBourne · · Score: 3, Funny

    Might actually be useful in space.

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    1. Re:"Prepare to experience chaos" by Penguinisto · · Score: 2, Funny

      Might actually be useful in space.

      In space, it's denoted by its proper and full title: Fermentation Augmented Rectal Transport System.

      (wait for it...)

      /P

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    2. Re:"Prepare to experience chaos" by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 4, Funny

      At this point I'm forced to ask where you got your nickname...

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    3. Re:"Prepare to experience chaos" by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      LOL; ROFL. It was the name of our racing sailboat when I was young, but your comment is pretty funny.

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    4. Re:"Prepare to experience chaos" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you have to create a new account for this or did it just come naturally ;)

  28. Re:What country? by thefear · · Score: 1

    I wish I could mod you insightful....

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  29. oblig. south park by holywarrior21c · · Score: 1

    hope the astronauts kept themselves ouf of PF Chang's. Wait to see biggest poop in space in April!

  30. If you've EVER been on a bus in Korea ... number10 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0



    If you've EVER been on a bus in Korea you know that this is not a good thing.

    Morning breath has nothing on Kimchi breath.

    On the other hand, Koreans say the same thing about Beef breath. Number 10 !!

    Touche'

  31. Better Bring Some For Everyone by aquatone282 · · Score: 1

    Ever been in an elevator in Seoul in the summertime? My advice to his fellow astronauts is to dig in so your, um, aromas blend together. . .

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  32. Reminds me of the M*A*SH episode. . . . by smooth+wombat · · Score: 3, Interesting

    where the ever diligent Frank Burns saw some Koreans burying mines or bombs in a field near their base. He went out with metal detectors and a few helpers to find and remove these nefarious devices. Hawkeye and B.J. tagged along to see how things went.

    Needless to say, Frank finds one of these bombs and uncovers it. As he's standing there practically gloating to Hawkeye about being right, Hawkeye promptly opens the top, to Frank's evident distress, at which point a pungent odor wafts into the air. Hawkeye then lets Frank in on what's been happening and explains these are kim-chi pots the villagers are burying.

    Funny what one can learn from watching t.v.

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  33. Food. What you are used to eating by sakdoctor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In my own experience, if you live in a place long enough you adapt to the food such that you feel just as weird going "back in the other direction". I remember walking around a western supermarket for the first time in years and thinking "Ok, what the hell am I supposed to eat here".

    Time to adapt for me personally; 2-3 years, and 3 years tops. After that, no craving for food that you were previously used to eating. You get totally localized.

    I guess my point is, instead of packaging food that is obviously unsuitable for the purpose (because it fucking stinks for one), why not train to live on food that is especially suitable for space flight.

    1. Re:Food. What you are used to eating by Skim123 · · Score: 1

      In my own experience, if you live in a place long enough you adapt to the food such that you feel just as weird going "back in the other direction"

      Eh, only if you dive in head first. But a lot of people like to still eat their home country's food, or mix elements from their original culture in with the culture of their new home. Otherwise there wouldn't be the Asian supermarket, the Indian supermarket, and so on. Those places aren't filled with white folk looking to try a new fried rice or curry recipe.

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    2. Re:Food. What you are used to eating by conureman · · Score: 1

      Like the rich dude that had to pack in custom six-course dinners, thats what he's used to eating. As the scientist who won the ride probably had better things to do than spend two to three years adapting to life without kimchi, this is a triumph for science. According to TFA, researchers have addressed the smell issue, allegedly with success. While I, for one, have no problem with kimchi unless the peppers are too many... I am anxious to get my hands on some of the canned "space kimchi" just to see how well they did.

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    3. Re:Food. What you are used to eating by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure everyone shares your easily assimilated pallet. I lived abroad for six years, and couldn't wait to get back to my unhealthy American diet. Granted, I gained an appreciation for sushi in the process, but I still prefer a nice juicy slab of prime rib with mashed potatoes.

    4. Re:Food. What you are used to eating by p0tat03 · · Score: 1

      YMMV I guess. I'm a Chinese-Canadian, been in Canada for 13 years now, and I still hanker for some good Chinese food. I consider myself pretty Canadianized - most of my cooking repertoire consists of Western foods, but if I go over a week without some solid Chinese food I start hankering for it.

      I suppose I'm somewhat unique... An Asian guy who doesn't know how to cook Asian food, and ends up eating out at Chinese places a lot.

  34. Re:What country? by afidel · · Score: 1

    A scientist making $150K/year probably has a total cost to their employer close to $300K/year once all the ancillaries including retirement are factored in.

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  35. How Ironic will it be by Phoenix666 · · Score: 1

    when you can get Kimchi in orbit, but not on the Upper East Side? My Korean girlfriend and I once went on a quest to find kimchi at a store near her apartment on 72nd and Lexington. The response from every store (Gristedes, D'Ag, etc.) was "Kim-what?"

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  36. The durian lobby is en route to JSC as we speak... by jpellino · · Score: 1

    The space program has started down a slippery - and stinky - slope.

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  37. kimchi isn't much of a problem by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    the problem will be when the first astronaut from lichtenstein insists on bringing his limburger cheese

    ugggh

    try living in a tin can with the permeating odor of certain cheeses and millions of dollars will be needed to spent on suicide prevention measures

    as it is, i believe astronauts have a problem with fungus and foot odor already

    hmmm... on the other hand, maybe that actually prepares them well for limburger cheese, and it will be well tolerated?

    just wait until the first indonesian or thai or filipino (a malaysian already went up) in space insists on bringing durian

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    1. Re:kimchi isn't much of a problem by omkhar · · Score: 1

      Many South East Asians (Indian subcontinent) eat durian (or as I called it when I was young "stinky fruit") as well

    2. Re:kimchi isn't much of a problem by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      i love durian!

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  38. Taste by conureman · · Score: 1

    I am not a Korean, so I guess I'm just talking out of my ass: If you've been eating a lot of live kimchi for your whole life, maybe it would take a lot of research to invent an acceptable tasting dead version. Real kimchi, or at least what I've seen, is a pretty lively brew. Definitely too exciting for space travel. I imagine this program will actually match some of the hype as far as promoting commercial kimchi. I suspect if they only counted irradiation-based processes the research cost would have been far less.

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  39. A family project by engineerofsorts · · Score: 1

    In my mixed=heritage family, whenever we serve kimchi, everyone in the house eats if for defensive/non-offensive reasons. If everyone has a mouth full, the odor is no problem.

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    1. Re:A family project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If everyone has a mouth full, the odor is no problem. That explains a lot. Even skunks can find mates.
  40. Little small by techpawn · · Score: 1

    Can we make it bigger next time?

    Wait? Kimchi not Katamari? Aww. I thought they finally put a PS2 in the space station...

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  41. Re:What country? by vajaradakini · · Score: 1

    Actually, as an astronomy grad student I get paid more than biology grad students at my school. Even the ones with some external funding (i.e. NSERC) which I don't have. I doubt that physics and astronomy graduate students are the highest paid either.

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  42. MASH Episode by dcollins · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Anyone remember the MASH episode where Burns thought he spotted Koreans carrying bombs into the camp, and they turned out to be pots of kimchi?

    God only knows what the equivalent reaction would be today if Homeland Security spazzed out over the same thing. And now in space!

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  43. Kimchi, huh? by Millennium · · Score: 1

    Interesting, even impressive, but call me when they get surstromming into orbit.

  44. he's right tho' by Reality+Master+201 · · Score: 0, Troll

    You really do sound like a dumbshit.

  45. Astronaut sounds like my wife by tompaulco · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My wife is Korean, and she can't stand to be away from Korean food. We live in the U.S., but have a couple of Korean marts around and so she generally eats Korean food about 80% of the time at home. When we go camping, she takes Korean food. When we go on vacation, she can maybe go 4 days without, but by the 5th day, we have to find a Korean restaurant. Paris wasn't so bad, as there were a few Korean restaurants to choose from. There was only one on Kauai, though.
    I used to like most kinds of Korean food, but after having so much of it for so many years, I've gotten burned out on it, and now the only things I like are the pul-go-gi and the gal-bi. Imagine the l as sounding more like a single syllable lr, and the g sounding both like a g and a k, and that should give you an idea how it sounds.

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    1. Re:Astronaut sounds like my wife by fbjon · · Score: 1

      Huh, you mean you don't even eat bibimbap? That's gotta be the easiest dish ever to eat.

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    2. Re:Astronaut sounds like my wife by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      Huh, you mean you don't even eat bibimbap?
      I've eaten so much of it I don't even like it anymore.
      You think that's crazy, I used to be absolutely nuts about crab, I wanted it anytime I could get it. Then one day, I had enough, and now I can take it or leave it.

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  46. Re:What country? by Gutboy · · Score: 1

    Reminds me of my first day in Grad school. Our instructor asked everyone why they wanted to get a MS, most said they are going for PhD, MS is just a stepping stone. He then asked "What are you going to do with a PhD? Get hired by some university, get microscopic raises and then they will hire on new people at a higher pay rate than you make."

  47. Surströmming by wiredlogic · · Score: 3, Informative

    Some non-cabbage based kimchi is okay but we should never let the Swedes send up Surströmming. That stuff is like a biological weapon.

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    1. Re:Surströmming by Durf · · Score: 1

      It's been tried. I'm pretty sure that's why we recently shot that one satellite out of the sky.

  48. Kimchi by dahwang · · Score: 1

    Space will never be the same.

  49. How to recycle flat cola... by vorlich · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Add Jack Daniels, that way you render two drinks of questionable palate into a passable embrocation. It's off topic, I know, but hey this is slashdot and they are brands on par with Microsoft.

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    1. Re:How to recycle flat cola... by Ant+P. · · Score: 1

      Or pour it down a blocked drain. Phosphoric acid is good at dissolving anything and everything.

      Having it on the space station would probably turn out like the Alien movies.

    2. Re:How to recycle flat cola... by Soporific · · Score: 1

      How are they on par with Microsoft?

      ~S

  50. Thorramatur by BotnetZombie · · Score: 3, Informative

    I wonder why no-one is talking about the wonderful thorramatur mentioned in the summary (some examples on the wiki page). Sour lumps of fat, ram's balls, urinated sharks, the list is lovely. Fortunately we only have to eat this once a year, with large amounts of brennivín, which is not drinkable unless consumed with the otherwise unedible food specimens spoken of before.
    I guess every country has its own favourite unedible food.

    1. Re:Thorramatur by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Black Pudding. A sausage made of blood clot. Part of a traditional Irish breakfast. Shudder. It's not that it tastes all that bad. It's just that it's A MOUND OF CONGEALED MIXED ANIMAL BLOOD ON YOUR PLATE GODDAMNIT.

    2. Re:Thorramatur by smellsofbikes · · Score: 2, Funny

      I wish I'd read this before I spent $200 buying brennivin in Reykjavik to bring home to friends so they could sample something interesting. I now have about $195 in "thanks but I think you can finish this off" returned gifts in the liquor cabinet and *I* am sure not going to drink that stuff.
      Truly lovely country, would be thrilled to live there, except y'all eat stuff my dog tries to roll in.

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    3. Re:Thorramatur by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      That sounds unpossible.

    4. Re:Thorramatur by trytoguess · · Score: 1

      Dunno know about Japan, but I know both Korea and China also eat congealed blood. Although it's considered somewhat "country" at least in Korea. Supposed to be a great hangover cure from what I hear (I'll let you guess why).

    5. Re:Thorramatur by BotnetZombie · · Score: 1

      I have one tip for you - put the brennivín in the freezer some hours before consumption, and drink it in shots (similar to eastern europe tradition with vodka). Makes it much more tolerable.
      ps What colour is your dog? Found some hairs in my kaviar...

    6. Re:Thorramatur by smellsofbikes · · Score: 1

      We'll try that. That's what we do with vodka anyway.

      White dog, short hair. My Chinese friend, on coming over, said "oh, that dog's not good eating." So, to be fair, the food choices could always be worse.

      Although that brings up an interesting question: 500 years ago, Icelanders were going out in the North Sea in winter, taking their life in their hands, to hunt Greenland shark, which are poisonous, bringing them back, burying them until they'd decayed enough to not be poisonous anymore, and eating them for food. Yet, there are *millions* of puffins that are practically unafraid of humans, swarming all over the coast. Do puffins actually taste *that bad*? (I couldn't bring myself to eat a puffin because they're SO CUTE. I did try horse.)

      A second question: how on Earth do men in Iceland concentrate, or get anything done at all, when the whole country seems to be swarming with beautiful women?

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    7. Re:Thorramatur by BotnetZombie · · Score: 1

      Of course we eat the cute puffins, much better than horsemeat. They're rather dry, but good if cooked correctly.
      And concenwhatdidyousay?

  51. You misunderstand the research by SmlFreshwaterBuffalo · · Score: 1

    Most people here seem to think that the millions of dollars and years of research were for testing whether or not the kimchi could be taken into space. The researchers did not care about sending the kimchi up; they were developing a new ventilation system so that the fellow astronauts could make it back down alive.

  52. I don't think he's talking about Kimchi by Valdrax · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Err... Read the title of his post. He's not talking about Kimchi. I'm guessing that he's talking about Thorramtur since the word he used shared a lot of the same letters, only the first character didn't show up because it's a thorn and not a "th".

    And if you'll read the Wikipedia article about it, you'll see what he's talking about. I think I just about lost my appetite for lunch after reading that. Good Lord, what people used to eat when they were poor and had to make use of the whole animal! I mean, it's like reading something out of a Jack Vance book -- and not the gourmet scenes, but the ones where Cudgel has to "make do" with what he can get.

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  53. Re:kimchi... Thank you Kakubi by davidsyes · · Score: 2, Interesting

    and Jafiwam for injecting some sense into the thread.

    I eat gimchi, and I like it, a LOT. I used to like the sweetened version, but after being unable to find it in restaurants in SF/Bay Area (outside of Ran Du, in Stockton, CA, run by a Chinese woman who grew up in Korea), I had to accept the more sour/pungent variety. Now, when I eat my Shin Ramyun, I sometimes put in several spoonsful of gimchi and the spicy tofu or spicy soybean and an egg.

    I don't often burp or fart from eating gimchi. If the astronauts eat enough of it prior to blastoff (no pun intended) their systems might acclimate to mitigate expulsion of gas. Probably some antacid, or Mountain Tea (Greek OR Chinese varieties) might soothe the acidic effects and affects.

    I suspect many of the "funny" comments here come from those who hardly eat or never tried gimchi. In a pinch, or on a regular diet, gimchi is a massive helluva lot better and more nutritious than most of the chemically treated garbage in our US diet. I'll stake my health on that.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimchi

    I wonder if natto has been to space yet, but:

    http://www.japanfile.com/modules/smartsection/item.php?itemid=462

    "The natto bean is a nutritional dynamo. For every 100 grams consumed, you are filling your body with 16.5 g of protein, 10.0 g of fats, 9.8 g of sugar, 2.3 g of fiber, and 1.9 g of ash for a total of 2,000 kilocalories. To say nothing of the host of vitamins and minerals you are getting: 0.07 milligrams of B1, 0.56 mg of B2, 1.1 mg of niacin, 90 mg of calcium, 190 mg of phosphorous, 3.3 mg of iron, 2 mg of sodium, 660 mg of potassium, and absolutely no cholesterol. There is more. Natto contains all eight of the necessary amino acids not produced by the human body as well as essential fatty acids like linoleic acid and enzymes that aid digestion. All of this has earned natto the respectful moniker of hatake no niku (field meat)."

    More at:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natto

    http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/natto

    A Japanese friend introduced me to natto, and he sorta smugly (or I mistook his voice or facial expression) suggested that I won't be able to eat it. I asked if it were meat or some vegetable. He again stated he thought I would not be able to eat it. So, he nuked it, and I ate it with the mustard and soy sauce, and he went "Hmmph", smiled, and was pleased.

    However, I would not recommend fry-heating natto on a domed/covered skillet -- unless you don't mind the "aroma" nearly-instantly permeating EVERY garment or cloth in your home or apartment. Well, if you want to offend or seek revenge, then steam/fry or steam-nuke a few small servings. You'll wake up your neighbors in the building...

    Gimchi AND natto should should be fast-tracked not only for spacefarer consumption, but also for consumption in more restaurants.

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  54. I remember... by justdaven · · Score: 1

    I remeber going to a orientation lecture when I was going to be on a short tour in Korea. The Marine Sergent giving the lecture made a quite eloquent point for Kimchee:

    "There are no middle of the road Kimchee eaters. You either love it, or think it is lethal..."

    He's right!

  55. world worst bad breath by peter303 · · Score: 1

    Worse than kissing a smoker.

    1. Re:world worst bad breath by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, must be like kissing your mom.

  56. Re:kimchi... Natto in Space on Soyuz Mission... by davidsyes · · Score: 1


    http://www.japanfile.com/modules/smartsection/item.php?itemid=462

    "While NASA was content with the chicken and the egg, the Soviets chose natto for their research. In 1987, Alexander Serebrov, the Soviet Union's most experienced cosmonaut, took dried natto with him on a Soyuz mission. There he found that natto's 80-90% rate of soybean protein absorption made it an ideal candidate for future travel in space."

    Also, see Slashfood (no, sorry slashers, it's not related to Slashodot... FORTUNATELY...):

    http://www.slashfood.com/2007/06/29/japanese-space-agency-creates-astronaut-meals/

    Hopefully, "fast food" won't be allowed to be delivered to space:

    http://www.slashfood.com/2008/02/25/mcdonalds-does-delivery-in-china/

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  57. LOL - it's really a food? by maillemaker · · Score: 1

    All this time I thought "kimchi" was a euphemism for "shit".

    You know the saying, "We're in deep kimchi now..."

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  58. Kimchi is bad enough... by hyades1 · · Score: 1

    ...a few hours afterward is immeasurably worse. The only thing I can even conceive of that might even be in the ballpark would have been dead in a swamp for at least a week and send hyenas away gagging.

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  59. At least it's not... by ameline · · Score: 1

    At least it's not Surströmming -- the entire space station would be rendered permanently uninhabitable merely by opening one can of the stuff.

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  60. Cultural chaos in space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good God, they'll never get the smell out of the draperies now. Have any of you actually ever SMELLED kimchee? First-generation American-born sons and daughters beg their mothers not to serve the stuff to their non-Korean friends.

  61. The astronauts will thank us by billcopc · · Score: 1

    Science may never get Thorramatur in orbit.

    Sign me up for that volunteer astronaut program. I thought scottish food was nasty, but Iceland wins hands-down.

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  62. kimchi was too much in a dorm fridge by mr_death · · Score: 1

    I can't imagine the fun of Kimchi in a smaller space from which you can't step out for a breath of fresh air. It makes hermetically-sealed tupperware mission-critical.

    I sure hope those Soyuz lifeboats are in good working order ...

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  63. tasty by darkhalcon · · Score: 1

    I have to say I really enjoy the taste of kimchi. I do however think about what I'm doing later that day, and monitor my consumption accordingly. If you eat too much the odor seeps out of your pores. The first time I returned from Japan my sister commented on how bad I smelled. I quickly figured out it was from the food there. It's understandable how the strong smell turns some people off.

    1. Re:tasty by Rene+S.+Hollan · · Score: 1
      I rather like it too... the spicier the better! It's actually quite healthy, with all the vitamins.


      But, if you prepare your own, yes, it does reek to high heaven as it's fermenting.


      You can purchase it in Korean groceries, and the smell is nowhere near as rank as the homemade stuff.


      My father used to like upenceller cheese. It made limburger smell like roses, by comparison. He swore it was delicious, but, to my nose, it had such a fecal odor as to be wretched beyond belief. He'd smear it quite thickly on rye bread -- "shitloaf" I think I called the result.

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    2. Re:tasty by Detritus · · Score: 1

      It could be worse.

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  64. Re:What country? by kidcharles · · Score: 1

    Where do scientists earn $300k/year? This is a typical amount for a grant, which would pay salaries of the principal investigator, graduate students, post docs, as well as equipment and overhead (which if you are lucky is only a 50% tax on all of that, often significantly higher). There are very few scientists who would make that much in salary, though I know M.D. medical researchers make a pretty comfortable living.
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  65. Re:What country? by $1uck · · Score: 1

    "Full Professors w/o fellowships, etc: $60-150k/year" Ok, well that is going to cost anywhere from $120-300k/year as a rough ball park estimate. I think the typical "ballpark" estimate for employee cost is usually twice their salary. I could imagine it would be more for a Scientist than a typical office employee, due equipment costs not to mention insurance/liability etc.

  66. Re:What country? by Rakishi · · Score: 1

    1. Scientists can also work in the private industry which likely pays much better.
    2. Full professors can also do consulting on the side, see point 1 about pay.

  67. Annual cost of 300K does not mean salary 300K by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A more typical breakdown would be:
    Salary $120K/yr for a senior engineer/scientist
    *1.5 (for benefits, payroll taxes etc)
    = $180K/yr
    + $50K/yr for facility (office rent, lights,utility,phone, lab space, etc.)
    = $230K/yr
    + $50K/yr for test equipment, computers & support, etc.
    = $280K/yr
    *1.2 (for 20% management overhead.. the entire tree above the leaf node..)
    = 336K/yr

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  68. And What Did The Japanese Bring? by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 1

    And what did the first Japanese to travel on a Russian space capsule bring?
    Soyuz sauce.

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  69. Money by captaindomon · · Score: 1

    Come on, guys. This is not government money, it's MARKETING money from a large Kimchi manufacturer, who will undoubtedly reap hundreds of millions off of their "Space Kimchi" marketing ploy. If something doesn't make sense, follow the money. It doesn't make sense to spend space research money on kimchi, so you need to look deeper. This is a corporate interest, people. Same with the "Coca-cola" in space stuff.

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  70. mutation... by mathfeel · · Score: 1

    Three top government research institutes spent millions of dollars and several years perfecting a version of kimchi that would not turn dangerous when exposed to cosmic rays or other forms of radiation and would not put off non-Korean astronauts with its pungency.
    What danger does mutated kimchi post? That's what I'd like to know.
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  71. I disagree by OrangeTide · · Score: 2

    I find that Kimchi actually improves my digestion. It's just fermented cabbage with some seasoning. It's not much different from Sauerkraut or lactic pickles. All of these fermented items have pretty pungent aroma, but a pretty big fan base. :)

    Now things like natto and stinky tofu, those are way over the top. Kimchi, if thought as a typical condiment fits in with the traditions of westerns. To consume a salt and sour "side" with a meal. like pickles or olives.

    I find that a little bit of kimchi on the side when having something heavy like baby back ribs tends to only enhance the flavor of the pork and helps cut through the richness.

    and the active fermentation of kimchi (especially homemade) is likely to give people gas way worse than a bean burrito, but so will yogurt.

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    1. Re:I disagree by Omestes · · Score: 1

      Most people can't stand sauerkraut even, though. I'm from a german family, and from Wisconsin, so I had it almost daily growing up, but now most of my friends just leave it untouched when I make them brats, even if I jazz it up with some white wine, and anise or coriander seeds (my bastardization of Austrian kraut).

      I've only had Kimchi at a bad buffet, and it was like rotten kraut but HOT. I'm not taking this as the exemplar of good kimchi, but it was enough to turn me off of the stuff.

      But then again I heard from a friend who was stationed in Korea that they also eat baby birds, in the egg, whole. Which makes me think my tastes are divergent to theirs to a pretty large degree.

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    2. Re:I disagree by fbjon · · Score: 1
      It's very similar to sauerkraut, in fact. The difference is mostly in the veggies used, and the red hot spices in kimchi.


      Additionally, I've never had any kind of gas problem with kimchi at all. Not sure why people say it smells as well. Put it in a sealed container, not in the microwave!

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    3. Re:I disagree by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      kimchi has a distinct smell. I wouldn't say it smells bad. Just like beef has a distinct smell. both smell good to me :)

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  72. Unbelievable by DieByWire · · Score: 1

    We spend 60 million to blow up a measly tank of hydrazine in orbit, then turn around and launch kimchi into space.

    Let's hope the ISS doesn't de-orbit anytime soon.

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  73. Re:What country? by bioman-laserboy · · Score: 1

    Errrr, here at the University of Texas at Austin PhD candidates in biomedical engineering are guaranteed $30k/year with more possible via fellowships. It is not uncommon to reach $40-50k/year.

    Assistant profs in engineering make around $100k/year. Our department chair owns a ranch where he keeps his bulldozer, firetruck, and related toys.

    I'm not disagreeing that the vast majority of professors are not well paid, but the numbers you cite sound more like what I'd expect from a liberal arts college, not a respected engineering department. They certainly do not jive with my experience.

  74. Re:What country? by TheMeuge · · Score: 1

    Well, my numbers come from NYU School of Medicine, where PhD candidates make $27'000 (raised from $25000 a few months ago)... but getting salaried fellowships is pretty hard for a candidate.

    I certainly don't think that it qualifies as a "liberal arts college".

  75. Kimchi refrigerator = beer refrigerator by The+Fun+Guy · · Score: 1

    the spin-off technologies make our lives so much better

    I was in Korea (Suwon) a few months ago, and saw the best spin-off technology you can imagine. Six of us went to a bar, and the table in the booth had round, metal-lined holes, about 8 cm in diameter. When the waitress came over to take our order, she flipped a switch on the edge of the table. The five Americans had no idea what these were for.

    When our first big pitcher of beer came, these metal cup-holders were chilly. We filled our round bottomed glasses from the pitcher, and set them down in these little cold-pits. The beer wasn't that cold in the pitcher, but it got cold fast in those little icy cup-holders. By the second pitcher, the holders were icy cold, with frost around the metal rim. We were on our third pitcher by the time our plate of munchies came, and focused more on food than drink. In the US, beer gets warm in the pitcher and glass while you eat and talk, not not there. Every sip of beer was cold, right down to the last mouthful in the glass.

    That's a great technology spin off.

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  76. Re:What country? by eli+pabst · · Score: 1

    I'm at one of the top 10 universities for NIH funding and every single PhD student I know (from bio, genetics, epidemiology, biostats, IDM) are making below 25k per year. Obviously their are cost of living differences from city to city, but I'd imagine the amounts you're talking are at the very far end of the spectrum.

  77. natto? f**k no! by rabiddeity · · Score: 1

    I'd suspect natto is called "field meat" because it literally smells like meat that has been left out in a field for several days. It doesn't taste much better, if you can keep yourself from gagging on it. If you brought that on a spaceship most non-Japanese would shove your ass out an airlock. Everyone claims it has health benefits, mostly because there seems to be no other reason why one would feed someone the stuff. But you can get the same from just eating unfermented soybeans, which don't stink and actually taste pretty good.

    Trust me, there's not even a valid comparison between kimchi and natto. Uncooked kimchi smells slightly of vinegar, and the inoffensive varieties have the taste and texture of slightly spicy pickles. It won't offend anyone else at the table. Natto (ALL natto) smells like a foot taken out of a 6 week plaster cast, tastes about the same as it smells, and has the texture of chunky snot. Its odor is overwhelming and spreads through the room. You'd have to have a malfunctioning olfactory nerve to eat that stuff. Sorry, man, but I think you're crazy.

    1. Re:natto? f**k no! by trytoguess · · Score: 1

      Heh the funny thing is my dad said something very similar when he came across cheese (some strong smelling variety I forget what exactly) when he immigrated to the U.S.

  78. Sauerkraut Preperation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am sorry indeed to say so, but you have appearantly no ideas about how Sauerkraut (sour cabbage) is made.

    Most important - it is not cooked initially. It may be cooked with the meal. The cooking is not necessary for it to become Sauerkraut.
    Second - it is not a solely german invention. It is also a traditional dish in Netherlands, Belgium, France, Poland, Estonia, most of the Slavian countries
    and most northern european Countries - except maybe the Anglo-Saxon area (they have porridge). Farther north, there is enough Haggis,
    so you won`t need any fearful Kraut... But be aware, there is great whiskey to wash down haggis, whereas most continental european spirits just plainly suck.
    It was among one of the ways to fight the scurvey during the 18th cty, a illness plaguing seamen travelling the atlantic that eventually lead to
    the invention of jelly and jam (of which probably sour orange jam is amongst the stuff the geneve conventions should have forbidden).

    Like Kimchi, original Sushi or pickled veggies (pickled cucumbers, mixed pickles) it is anaerobically fermented in a way that allows it to be kept for
    months without cooling without loosing either its nutritious value or its edibility.

    First the Kraut is cut and sometimes threaded barefoot. Then it is usually salted in excess and put into a stone jar with a linen seal,
    a wooden board and a heavy stone on it. In this configuration a lot of "dirtcutting" is necessary, since you have to take off a bit of the top
    layer building on the marinating brine (which may start building fungal spores etc if you do not regularly remove the stuff on that layer).
    Keeping the temperature below 15 Celsius will work best, sometimes vinegar or spices are added before, during or after the process as a complement.
    It is not necessary for the stuff to be sterile, the pH and the anaerobic fermentation will kill off pretty much everything except the "good" bacteria
    doing the processing - which will kill itself and all other bacteria off after it used up all the resources it needs...
    The amount of salting is a thing of discussion - too much salt and you will have to wash it before eating, lowering nutritional value.
    Too few salt and you`ll have to keep the Kraut at a very stable cool temperature. 0,5-2% of the cabbage weight is the usual rule of thumb.

    Kind regards, a Kraut eater

  79. Product placement by zazenation · · Score: 1

    They'll undoubtedly be working closely with SC Johnson for product placement for Johnson's GLADE air freshener line. A pocket sized can conspicuously placed in a zero-G utility belt will bring megabuck rain on SC Johnson, like TANG did for General Foods with the "Drink of the Astronauts".

    If they use 120VAC for shipboard power, they can feature the GLADE Plug-Ins for solving "Real tough Kimchi odor problems".

    I'll bet the makers of those little pine trees hanging off car reaview mirrors could also join in to "Clearing the air in space".

  80. Kimchi goes great with... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Piiiiigs in spaaaaaaace!