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Casino Insider Tells (Almost) All About Security
An anonymous reader writes "ComputerWorld has up a story on casino security technology, exploring the world of facial recognition technology and various other systems in casinos such as the Bellagio, Treasure Island, and Beau Rivage. Industry veteran Jeff Jonas reveals some of the secret scams he learned from the casino industry such as the infinite hundred dollar bill, the hollowed out chip cup, the palm (trading cards), the specialty code (inserted by rogue programmer into video poker machine) and the cameraman, as well as detailing how casinos strike back against fraudsters and cheats.'"
My nanotech playing card that can instantly become any card I need it to, or even no card at all! Err, wait...
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For some odd reason, the submitter has linked to the third page of a three page article. To no one's surprise, the editors did not catch this. Here is the link to page 1
http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;270726757;pp;1;fp;4194304;fpid;1
Casino security has been used not only to ensure there is no theft or violence in the venue, but also to record the appearance of people who win a little bit too much, so that muscled goons can find them and warn them to cut it out. I was shocked how, in Bringing Down the House , the MIT blackjack team shows how no matter what disguises they tried, surveillance could establish that it was them.
The link on the summary is for the third page of the article. Here's the link to the first page.
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The point is that people who gamble rarely understand the odds. Those that do understand the odds and the house percentage don't unusually gamble. Or if they gamble then they count cards as well.
because they'll zap you with a cattle prod before dragging you off into a side room and breaking your hand with a hammer.
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One comment and already the site is down. Maybe he's already buried, along with his server, in a shallow grave out in the desert.
"Physics is to math as sex is to masturbation." -R. Feynman
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/030708-vegas-insider.html?fsrc=rss-security
Don't forget about the biggest scam of all, known as "The Casino"
Here's a another link to the same story. http://security.itworld.com/4357/casino-security-080310/page_1.html
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/030708-vegas-insider.html?page=3
/getting sick of paging through 5 pages of a single page article. If I ever start an online mag, I'm going present one sentence per page just for fun.
So we seem to accept that machines are looking at our faces and alerting humans to "suspicious" individuals. Yeah, I guess I'm ok with that. I'll get scared when I get caught, and instead of dragging me into a back room, shining a light in my face and asking me questions, I have to sit down and answer NORA's questions. Once the machine gets to decide if I am guilty, we have lost. Oh wait...
The point is that people who gamble rarely understand the odds. Those that do understand the odds and the house percentage don't unusually gamble. Or if they gamble then they count cards as well.
Perhaps I'm reading it wrong, but I don't find this statement to be true.
There are plenty of people who understand the odds, but still love to gamble. To them it's about the thrill of possibly hitting it big. Those who do understand the odds tend to either play games like blackjack which is the only game in the casino which has positive odds, and those who simply walk in with $500 and intends to make it last as long as they can, but know that the chances of them walking out with more than they went in are not in their favor.
I'm not one of them, but then again I get it why others are like this.
The ones that count cards are simply trying to shift the odds in their favor for bigger payouts, and of course really only applies to blackjack (again, the only game with odds not in favor of the casino, but you have to know how to play to get your money).
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Is a trick you can maybe play on a regular vending machine. If you hit the coin return at just the right moment, there's a chance that you'll get some or all of your money back, especially if you insert change instead of single coins.
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I got approached by Casino security at the MGM Grand one night and was asked why I was looking at the cameras. I told the guy what business I was in and then proceeded to tell him about the 35 cameras that were around our general location. he was impressed and we talked a bit over a beer he bought me and even let me see one of the security offices.
Note: I spotted that the texas Holdem tables had wide angle cameras just under the lip where you sit. Not low enough to get up-skirt shots, but where they can spot cards being handed. I started looking for it when a friend of mine was told by the pitboss to stop handing $5 chips to his friend. that's when I decided to drop my chips and bend over to pick them up and spot the lenses.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
Still interesting...especially for those who haven't seen any of the Ocean's movies...
weren't there some patches or service packs?
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Yes, that's pretty much the same story. Jeff Jonas has a better ending on it then the one that was originally posted:
On An Unrelated Note: A few weeks ago I coincidentally ended up sitting next to a US Senator on a commercial coast-to-coast flight. While I read up on the FISA debate, he played a pong-like game on his phone almost the entire time. Hello?
Court TV used to run this series called The Takedown. Every week they tried to do some casino scam using a team of experts, often at the behest of the hotel's internal security. The way everything was staged was kind of fake in spots, but an interesting look regardless at the mechanics of actually trying to cheat at a casino. Fun show, don't know where it's still running but you might be able to find it somewhere (*cough* torrent *cough*).
I personally don't play games of chance for money, just Texas Hold'Em where people with poor math skills are a steady income source.
Although I've seen two treatments on cable TV about two of the MIT capers, the theatrical release this year should give casinos new headaches.
Actually, if you RTFA, you'll see that the "infinite $100 bill trick" works by hitting a sequence, and then asking for your $100 bill back. So presuming one of the buttons in the sequence isn't the "play this bet" button, you're not really risking anything. You either get your $100 back and have zero credit on the machine, or you get your $100 bill back and have $100 credit on the machine.
Though I certainly don't have the patience to run around a casino with a $100 bill and try different sequences to try to trip that feature...
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Yea, version 12 sucked though. Version 13 was better but was still bloatware.
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Or they play Blackjack.
I am a terrible poker player, but love the game like crazy. If I decide that I'm going to play betting amounts in which 50 dollars will last me for a few hours but know I will lose, I see that as entertainment costs that are more than worth it. I've only once walked away from a poker game in positive territory (playing with casino level players), and yet still love to play.
Why don't governments use "non-invasive" facial recognition instead of fingerprinting? If casinos are willing to bank on them, it's probably reasonably accurate in a dynamic environment, as opposed to immigration checks which are controlled.
...the upcoming movie adaptation of the MIT blackjack team story. Not too many interesting new factoids or insights in the story itself.
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casino security is ridiculously insane. don't even attempt to dream about thinking of trying to cheat a casino.
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Having worked as a cashier in a riverboat casino I've seen a lot of this stuff. However, I've also seen and heard a lot more about employees ripping off the casino than I did about players. You don't hear about the employees ripping off the casinos though because most of the time they just fire the person and tell them never to come back. I know this happened to at least three people who worked in my department. Two were fairly minor but one was several thousand dollars over a few months (that's how long it too the auditing department to pick up on his pattern and how he hid it). There are lots of ways employees can rip off the casino because they have a lot more access and know how the system works a lot better than most customers.
There were occasional customers passing counterfeit bills and people screwing with the machines or trying to bend cards but there was a lot more people soiling themselves because they didn't want to get up from their slot machine and people losing their homes because they were addicted (happened to a cousin of mine) or getting kicked off because they started yelling at us when their credit card was maxed out.
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Is that anything like the 'hollowed-out tub of popcorn' trick I've been trying with my dates at the movie theater for the last decade?
A few years back the NY Times Sunday magazine did an article on a card counting professional at one of the los angeles paigow casinos where counters were tolerated. Because there was a bet ceiling, these guys had to play for volume to make a return, at least 40 hours a week. Often players were employed by others who supplied capital and they were paid hourly plus a share of winnings. It didnt sound that romantic.
Well, since you bring up card counting, I now have an angle to bring up something and hopefully avoid the dreaded, eviscerating "Off-Topic"-wand-wielding maestro...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21_(2008_film)
I just a few weeks ago read in a copy of Asian Week how these smart AMERICAN Asians figured out a card counting method and raked in the coin from one or more casinos. Now, we've got hollyweird picking up on this and whitewashing the cast. Amazing the shit hollyweird does to calculate to obtain the best studio ticket intake.
From Wikipedia, from Asian Week and Ben Mezrich (author of the book):
"Casting of Caucasian/Asian
Although the four main characters in Bringing Down the House were Asian-Americans in real life, studio executives have cast mostly white actors to portray them in the film. Ben Mezrich, author of Bringing Down the House, has noted a "stereotypical" casting process on the part of Hollywood.[1] In the book, Mezrich explicitly states that a young Caucasian betting large amounts of money stands out, while a young Asian or other minority would be less conspicuous. Asian Week called the casting a "whitewash," pointing out that if it were African Americans replaced by Caucasians, there would be more vocal protest."
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I just discovered James Swain's "Tony Valentine" series of mysteries set in and around casinos and the gambling world. Swain is a gambling expert and magician himself, and the backgrounds in the novels ring true. The hero, Tony Valentine, is an ex-cop who worked for years in Atlantic City and now runs his own consulting business (called Grift Sense) helping casinos catch cheats and frauds. (The first book, Grift Sense, is set in Las Vegas, the second, Funny Money, is set in Atlantic City. There are several more in the series I haven't got to yet.)
I'm not a huge mystery fan (I prefer SF) but I enjoy them if they're well written. Swain does a good job with these, and gives a look at the behind-the-scenes of casinos, gambling, and different cheats as background to the main puzzle(s) of the story.
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Seeing an article about high-reliability facial recognition has made me remember an idea that I've been kicking around.
It's my understanding that when you steal from a store, they ban you from ever returning to the store. I have always assumed that this ban is meaningless because they just don't have the resources to make sure that you don't come back.
But if they really could reliably keep you out of the store forever, would that alone be enough to keep people from shoplifting? A lifetime ban from WalMart would be devastating for my day-to-day routine - where would I buy light bulbs and cat food?
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Casinos would like you to believe in Ocean's 13 size IT rooms and facial recognition and such. The truth is that most casino security is low-tech (cameras and people). The largest cheating ring that was broken up recently involved a gaming commission, law enforcement, and the casinos themselves busting a partnership between outside cheaters and the employees working at the table. You have to remember, the states view cheating as bilking them out of the exorbitant taxes they get to rake from casinos since casinos are evil like cigarettes and okay to tax at obscene rates.
If some casino is using facial recognition scanning software etc, they probably are just peeing money down a drain. More likely, its hype designed to scare off cheaters. I think its a dumb idea to create this image though.
In Stalin's Russia, there wasn't a dossier on everyone, but the fear of a dossier on everyone was what helped keep the masses in check. Cultivating a fear in casino goers that they are under watch at all times and being scanned isn't in the interest of the big casinos. Casinos are the last place you are free to be free. You can let your hair down, have a politically incorrect drink, and inhale politically incorrect air.
Go to a casino, have fun, and remember that the cameras are more likely watching employees than they are watching you.
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They only have $5 - $5 play tables. But you can play up to three hands at a time. Not much range for counting.
I guess it must be pretty tempting: millions of dollars passing into the casino's coffers every night... I don't know how much casino workers make, but my guess is that it's a regular wage, nothing special. So very tempting...
I think Dealers get minimum wage ($6.50?) at Foxwoods, and Mohegan Sun in Connecticut.
Bingo! Once again the media has totally warped reality. The CIA isn't a Tom Clancy book, and casinos aren't Ocean's 11, and neither are criminals and Top Secret labs don't have eye recognition systems. Virtually everything is run on a shoe string budget by middle managers in bad ties. But hey, show me the bling!
Is there only ONE guy that develops the software for the slots?
Admittedly, I've never worked any slot machine projects before, but I would imagine that the function that goes:
if(key1, key2, key3, key4):
jackpot()
would be kindof....obvious.
Anybody wanna shed some insight on how these things are written? Are there some open source slot machines i can poke through somewhere?
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Now I know that you are lying.... the last time I shouted "I'm Cowboy Neil!" in public I had three police officers, two FBI agents, a representative of Interpol and Duane (Dog) Chapman instantly appear out of nowhere and throw me to the ground.
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(Must remember to preview before posting. Please mod parent down) There is an excellent BBC series called The Real Hustle that details the inner workings of a lot of scams. They've recently been showing the Vegas scams, here's a few links
Hollowed out chip scam: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dDOMyzmkaA
Blackjack scams: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Phnkp4R0iJI
Brass balls blackjack scam: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu9uAaQs-LQ
There are hundreds more on youtube if you search
I used to work at a 7-11 and believe me, the prominently-placed security cameras there were less about recognizing the face of the stick-up man as he's making his getaway and more about watching the employees as they lift money out of the register and put it into the pockets of their smocks. People are stupid. They steal, and they steal for bullshit stakes.
My 7-11 had a policy where employees kept <$100 in the register (all $20 bills and up went immediately into the timed safe). We had one employee who "forgot" the policy one particular day, and "coincidentally" that was the same day some "random" guy came in, held him up, and took all the money out of the register -- less than $1K but considerably more than was supposed to be in there. The employee really, seriously thought that the video cameras were going to vindicate him -- "look, there's the guy threatening me, isn't he scary?" As if an armed robbery had ever happened at this suburban 7-11 store before, in all the years it had been in business, up until exactly about three weeks after this clown was hired.
Another guy had been working there for about two days when some kids ran in and, in a flash, stole about six cases of beer. Security cameras showed the employee was nowhere to be found during the robbery. An eyewitness later came forward and said the employee had been standing out in front of the store during the incident, smoking a cigarette.
The smartest guy who ever ripped the place off actually kept his cool and bided his time. He was this Abercrombie and Fitch looking kid who was always all smiles and glad-handing, always ready to agree with the owners, always ready to talk down the other employees. Compared to the rest of the long-haired tweakers who worked at the store, he must have looked like the all-American boy. So they made him manager. About a month later, he walked away from the back office with about $6,000, abandoning his car in the lot.
Even that guy was stupid, though. Like I said, he abandoned his car in the front lot. So a coworker and I broke into it. Rifling his dashboard, we found a court summons. He was scheduled to appear in about two weeks' time on a prior charge. We called the sheriff's department and asked if they could please meet him at his court date at such-and-such time. And guess what? He actually showed up.
But the cops didn't. They showed up about 45 minutes late, by which time the case had already cleared the docket. Better luck next time, huh? So I guess the moral of the story is that there's a reason for stuff like video cameras if you're a business owner. Better grab all the evidence you can possibly get, because you might need it later. If you rely on the cops you could be in for a long wait.
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If you choose to be the "Banker" in Baccarat, you actually have a slight advantage (you are 50.68% to win)
http://www.fastodds.com/game_odds/baccarat.htm
The problem is the casinos charge a commission to play as the Banker, so even though your odds are positive, you still end up losing money.
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I believe this is the first time I've seen, on Slashdot, a reference to Soviet Russia in a legitimate, educational way.
Shame on you.
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The old "Double Karma Hustle". Played like a pro ;)
Come on.
The MIT team did NOT invent card counting, nor did they improve upon it in any substantial way. Teams like this (using "regular joes") have been operating for decades. It just made a nice story. Credit where it's due.
Maybe TSA could hire these guys. Every casino in Las Vegas is open to outside with no doors, and anyone can enter. When you are in one, you never notice any security until you do something not allowed ("Sir, children under 18 are not allowed in the slots area")
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Night's stay in county jail - free
Mystery meat meal - comp'ed
Travel from casino to lodging - comp'ed
1 Phone call - free
Pretty bracelets - free
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... except there's no money in them.
I'm trying to envision how something shaped like a stack of chips is supposed to fit any chips inside, but I'm not getting anywhere.
1. $5 chips are the same diameter as $100 chips.
2. The hole in a hollowed-out stack of chips must be smaller than the diameter of a chip.
3. You can't fit a circular object into a circular hole of a smaller diameter.
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Now I see that this video explains it around the 2:00 mark. It's not actually a stack of chips that have been hollowed out, it's a thin metal cylinder that's been painted to look like chips (although it's obviously fake if you look closely), with a real chip on top, and the cylinder is slightly bigger in diameter than the actual chips.
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Actually, I'm straining to think of it at the moment but having just seen a preview for that movie I immediately harkened back to a movie I saw some years ago about a 'crew' from one of the major American universities of white students being instructed on how to count cards by a professor who'd been banned from the casinos for doing that very thing.
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They had been showing us all that stuff for years about how the Montecito did it!
I've never been to Vegas, but I've been all over the midwest, and I've never heard of a casino that lets you touch your cards in blackjack. I have seen TV and movies however where the players actually privately hold their cards to themselves. Why would any casino allow this? Why would the players care?
I worked for a guy that had worked installing employee tracking for casinos back in the 90's. The employee badges had an IR transmitter that would periodically pulse out a unique identifying number, which would be picked up by receivers placed all around the casinos. This let casinos see just where all of it's employees where at a given time, and if they stood in an odd place for too long (suspicious activity).
Apparently they managed to catch quite a bit of minor employee theft (chips/coins/etc, I don't know), but the casinos didn't seem to care much. The minor stuff was essentially expected and was a drop in the bucket compared to profits.
Anyway, their system sounded pretty high tech for the 90's.
(They used the same system in a few hospitals to track infants and small children.)
The best odds are obviously on sports betting where the house doesn't set arbitrary odds in their favor. Card games are for suckers.