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The National Cryptologic Museum

An anonymous reader writes "The NSA's once small National Cryptologic Museum is bigger and better, with new more immersive exhibits like a reconstruction of a listening post from the Vietnam war. The place seems to be caught between the urge to keep your mouth shut and the pleasure of telling war stories. In time, though, the story notes that the need to tell stories wins out. Has anyone visited lately?"

133 comments

  1. I tried to visit once by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    But they required a password to get in and I didn't have time to crack it.

    1. Re:I tried to visit once by halcyon1234 · · Score: 3, Funny

      "friend"

    2. Re:I tried to visit once by morcheeba · · Score: 4, Interesting

      There's more truth to that then you'd imagine. It used to be that the NSA wasn't connected to any major roads... you'd have to take the BW parkway and then, at a random unmarked point in the road, turn off the pavement and onto a dirt path through the forest.

    3. Re:I tried to visit once by sporkme · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Not doubting, but [citation needed]. Seems to me that a heavily traveled dirt road would attract both public attention and maintenance impossibilities. A surface search on Google is not coughing up the goods, so got any write-ups on this? I'm not a conspiracy wonk, but I really dig the real deal.

    4. Re:I tried to visit once by FredThompson · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I highly doubt this story. I've worked there. The buildings are massive and it's hidden...on the ground of Fort Meade close enough to hit with a golf ball from the Parkway. The exit signs and "yard sign" that say "National Security Agency" weren't always there but a dirt road onto which people exited from the parkway!?!?! No. That's crazy. Unmarked entrances to various remote listening posts, that's possible, but even then, you'd run into security. Even when Bamford wrote The Puzzle Palace, it wasn't that much of a secret. I have no idea how many people work in the main 2 buildings but you can't be in Columbia for too long without running into people who are obviously math geeks. Add in their families and support contractors (somebody has to order paper, pencils, empty the trash, etc.) and it's impossible to hide.

      Methinks anyone who would believe the hidden dirt road idea doesn't know what the average NSA employee is like. The CIA has a joke: "An optimist at the NSA is someone who looks at YOUR shoes when they walk by." I've literally had NSA employees jump in surprise when I said hello to them. Most of the time, if you look them in the eye they look away. It's a weird place. A lot of the people made we wonder how Garanamils missed such a huge marketing opportunity.

      I'm going to visit the museum in a week, actually. Never went there when I had the clearances but it should be fun. I live in Charlotte now, home of one of the Projector twins. IIRC, there was a post about part of it being solved a couple of years ago. Wasn't there a mistake in it? Something like that.

    5. Re:I tried to visit once by moondawg14 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Really, a random spot on the road? So at any given time (assuming proper algorithm seeding, of course!) you would have no idea where that dirt road may empty onto the parkway? Now THAT, my friends, is an accomplishment.

    6. Re:I tried to visit once by Call+Me+Black+Cloud · · Score: 1


      Not true. Back in the day you could drive right up to the buildings, if you were dropping off or picking up an employee for example. Now, let's just say security is a bit tighter.

    7. Re:I tried to visit once by hey! · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Before government got really, really big. Too big to hide a major agency.

      There used to be a kind of convention in Washington where if you said you worked for "The State Department" it was understood you meant the CIA. Normally people who worked for State would say something like "I work in the office of the Undersecretary of State for Economic, Business, and Agricultural Affairs," which would be totally comprehensible to anybody on the DC cocktail circuit. People who worked for the NSA said they worked for "The Department of Defense". Very few people would have known about the agency in the first decades of its existence, in fact in the early days its existence was a secret. But people know that the DoD had employees who didn't talk about what where they worked.

      The NSA has roots that go back as far as 1949, during the height of the Red Scare. This story -- while it may well be apocryphal -- is no more odd than many things the government of the era did in the cloak-and-dagger game. And you can't start an agency like the NSA overnight. It's not like you can put an announcement in the Federal Register and have a couple of thousand employees a few months later.

      Still, the best place to hide something is, as Poe observed in The Purloined Letter, in plain sight. It would make much more sense to give the early agency a small building on the site of an extremely large and busy military installation. But it doesn't mean that the people who did the initial organization necessarily had the sense to see that.

      In any case, the NSA HQ building at Fort Meade is really cool; if you were wandering around looking for the NSA headquarters you'd have no trouble figuring out which one it is: it's the one that looks like a huge, shiny black box.

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    8. Re:I tried to visit once by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An optimist at the NSA is someone who looks at YOUR shoes when they walk by.

      The joke goes: How can you tell an extrovert at the NSA? They look at your shoes when you're talking to them.

    9. Re:I tried to visit once by dwye · · Score: 1

      > you'd have to take the BW parkway

      Do you mean the George Washington Parkway? If so, your comment is almost redundant. I once described the directions to get there from National as "after the first sign, if you see a sign to anywhere, don't go that way."

      They also have almost no signs on the road. It seems that if you don't know your way on it, you might as well get lost, as far as its controlling agency cares. That, or it is an on-ramp to The Road from Roger Zelazny's Roadmarks.

    10. Re:I tried to visit once by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1

      Now we will have to kill you.

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    11. Re:I tried to visit once by metamatic · · Score: 1

      Dirt road? Not even close.

      NSA has its own clearly signposted parkway exit.

      Also, you can look at the NSA HQ on Google Earth or Google Maps. It's at 39 06'35.48"N 76 46'11.44"W.

      No dirt roads anywhere.

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      GCHQ Quantum Insert installed. If only our tongues were made of glass, how much more careful we would be when we speak
    12. Re:I tried to visit once by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      > Our jokes about the boys south of the river are much funnier in my opinion.

      You tease us with something like that, knowing full well that none of us civilians on Slashdot are cleared to hear 'em. DAMMIT! :)

    13. Re:I tried to visit once by Darinbob · · Score: 2, Informative

      "friend" "mellon"
    14. Re:I tried to visit once by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it is the BW (Baltimore-Washington) Parkway. The GW Parkway is a different road.

    15. Re:I tried to visit once by morcheeba · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I agree. I need to provide citation. I'm not sure where I heard the story; I've been to the museum & I think I may have seen it there. I've also worked with lots of spooks, too, and lived in the area... I could have picked up the info anywhere.

      I presume that when the building started, the area around it wasn't as developed and the parking lots were smaller. They have their own paved exit now, so I presume that's where the hidden road used to be.

    16. Re:I tried to visit once by tauri · · Score: 1

      >>The CIA has a joke: "An optimist at the NSA is someone who looks at YOUR shoes when they walk by."

      I think you mean "extrovert" instead of "optimist"....

    17. Re:I tried to visit once by treethinker · · Score: 1

      > I've literally had NSA employees jump in surprise when I said hello to them. Most of the time, if you look them in the eye they look away. It's a weird place.

      And this distinguishes itself from New York City exactly how?

    18. Re:I tried to visit once by FredThompson · · Score: 1

      Oops, yes, "extrovert" was the word I wanted to use. Optimist is different. Well, there aren't a lot of those at NSA, either...

      I just remembered something really funny. M$ sent some people to NSA who were all excited that Windows 2000 was finally going to be "secure." That briefing didn't last long. IIRC, there was a coment about some kind of checksum that was weak then the Easter Egg comments and it was all over for M$. We had Windows on the insecure net and Sun on the secure net, not including whatever internal stuff was set up. Our development system was supposed to be really secure. The security people came and used some of the things that are used with nukes to detect any attempts to get inside but they missed something really obvious to anyone who'd programmed DOS I/O. We also found BIOS passwords can be more secure than planned when the sole person who knew it, forgot it after the systems were "secured." I thought about showing them how to get in but decided that was a little too risky.

    19. Re:I tried to visit once by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      There's more truth to that then you'd imagine. It used to be that the NSA wasn't connected to any major roads... you'd have to take the BW parkway and then, at a random unmarked point in the road, turn off the pavement and onto a dirt path through the forest.
      • 'd = would = habitual; in the past.
      • used to be = in the past
      • was = in the past
      :-P
  2. It's a cool place. by mongoose(!no) · · Score: 5, Informative

    I was there about a year ago, it's just outside of DC, near my university. Lots of neat stuff, the older stuff is better labeled, but the newer stuff (1980's) is neat to look at, but the NSA doesn't really want to tell you what it does or what it's used for, it's just kind of sitting there because someone doesn't want to throw it out. They've got a giant 2 story data tape library that's set up to randomly swap tapes around, it's pretty cool to look at. I might have to take another trip up there some time. Also, don't forget to get the kid's NSA coloring book they hand out.

    1. Re:It's a cool place. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, don't forget to get the kid's NSA coloring book they hand out. lol, CryptoKids
    2. Re:It's a cool place. by jd · · Score: 1
      the older stuff is better labeled, but the newer stuff (1980's) is neat to look at, but the NSA doesn't really want to tell you what it does or what it's used for

      That's cos the labels won't be declassified for another 30 years.

      I might have to take another trip up there some time.

      I don't think the NSA wants visitors picking the mushrooms.

      Also, don't forget to get the kid's NSA coloring book they hand out.

      Let me guess. The instructions are ROT13'ed and concealed in the image data. Outlines are drawn in invisible ink. Once completed, pages self-destruct in 5 seconds.

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    3. Re:It's a cool place. by Erwos · · Score: 1

      I don't normally whore out my blog, but here we go with a post about my own trip there:

      http://david.zakar.com/blog/?p=118

      Relevant section:

      "This leads into my two biggest complaints about the museum:

              * There is basically no substantial coverage of post-Korean War crypto.
              * There is absolutely no coverage of civilian advancements and events."

      I'm glad that they fixed the former, but did they finally give civilian advancements their due?

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      Plausible conjecture should not be misrepresented as proof positive.
    4. Re:It's a cool place. by twobturtle · · Score: 1

      Let me guess. The instructions are ROT13'ed and concealed in the image data. Outlines are drawn in invisible ink. Once completed, pages self-destruct in 5 seconds. http://www.nsa.gov/kids/
    5. Re:It's a cool place. by plover · · Score: 1
      I doubt they're likely to cover civilian advancements in cryptography any time soon.

      First, the museum typically trails history by about 50 years -- the time period for automated declassification of all but the most sensitive secrets (i.e. news of cracking the German's Enigma isn't going to affect the current war.) But serious civilian work in cryptography didn't really begin to take place until 1972 with IBM's invention of Lucifer / DES. Prior to that, civilian cryptography, if it was ever considered by civilians at all, was still seen as either a code book translating words to numbers used to save money on telegrams, or as a Hagelin machine, some complicated clockwork box that ambassadors bought from Swiss gnomes. (News of the NSA's role in strengthening Lucifer was eventually revealed in 1992 after Biham and Shamir published their (re-)discovery of differential cryptanalysis.)

      The other reason is: civilian cryptography is NOT the NSA's story. Civilian cryptography was developed in the vacuum remaining after NSA scooped up all the math talent they could. Bruce Schneier aptly described the NSA as "a kind of alien race, leaving behind bits of beneficial technology that we humans could use, but never fully understand."

      Besides, nobody ever seriously considered the neighbor's 10-year-old kid in his mom's basement with his elementary school's copy of "Codes and Ciphers" was learning anything about actual cryptography. They still don't today.

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      John
    6. Re:It's a cool place. by jddj · · Score: 1

      We went during after-Christmas week in late 2006. For a geek, it's seriously cool. Highlight for me: typing on a real Enigma machine.

      Make sure you get a dosant for your tour - they add a lot of context!

    7. Re:It's a cool place. by dwye · · Score: 1
      Maybe they don't cover the civilian "advancements" in the field because they consider them reinventing the wheel. Granted, it is a wheel that only they and British Intelligence (OK, and probably the KGB, whatever its new initials are, too) know about, but they probably consider it old news.

      I once talked to someone who repaired an electron microscope that they used, presumably to test chips before they go into the ceramic casing, and he said that everything that he saw was at least ten years ahead of the civilian market. They had designs for spread-spectrum transmission in WWII, remember.

    8. Re:It's a cool place. by gad_zuki! · · Score: 1

      Can someone tell me if I can get there without a car? Last time I was in the DC area and had access to a car they decided to close because of the state funeral for Ford. Thanks guys. The little spyplane memorials were pretty neat.

      Now I might be back soon to DC but really cant justify 100 dollars to rent a car to go there. I wonder if a cab will take me and take me back. Its a little out of the way.

    9. Re:It's a cool place. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can take a cab to the museum, but it won't be inexpensive.

    10. Re:It's a cool place. by Erwos · · Score: 1

      "The other reason is: civilian cryptography is NOT the NSA's story. "

      If that's actually the reason it's not in there, they need to rename the place "The NSA Museum". The current name, however, is "The National Cryptologic Museum", and they should be covering all things cryptological - including the civilian side of things. It's not the technology that matters so much as the applications and the legal issues. Even just covering the issues PGP had with foreign export laws would have been enlightening.

      But, even moreso, you've just described why civilian crypto applies to an "NSA Museum". NSA has suggested slight tweaks to algorithms more than once, from what I understand, and these have sometimes had startling revelations in terms of enhanced security more than a decade later. Clipper, if anyone remembers that fiasco, also had NSA involvement. Love them or hate them (I admit to more of the former), but they've had a serious presence on the civilian side of things, even if indirect.

      However, I can say for a fact that I know that the folks in charge of the museum know about this particular criticism, so we can hope that they change their minds.

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    11. Re:It's a cool place. by plover · · Score: 1
      That's a really good point. However, for now anyway it really is the NSA museum more than anything else. As I recall, the only cryptologic displays they have that are not NSA related are government-related cryptography projects that existed prior to the creation of the NSA.

      But yeah, it'd be neat if they had a big-screen graphical DES engine, or the stories of Lucifer/DES/FIPS-49, RSA, AES, etc.

      But until your "folks in charge" change something, it's likely to remain the "National Cryptologic Museum" instead of the "National Cryptologic Museum"

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      John
  3. Made a visit last summer... by ktulus+cry · · Score: 3, Insightful

    My brother was down at Fort Meade working for *cough cough cough* last summer, so when we went down to visit we got a tour of the museum. Really cool stuff down there, it's worth a few hours of your day if you're in the area.

    With the stuff they tell you there now, about the 60s and 70s, it's almost unfathomable what they DON'T tell us about what's going on now.

    1. Re:Made a visit last summer... by zerocool^ · · Score: 1

      My brother was down at Fort Meade working for *cough cough cough*

      My dad referred to it as "No Such Agency".

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  4. Been there by FooGoo · · Score: 5, Funny

    I was there a few years ago and it was worth the trip just to see all the gizmos and read the guestbook. A word of advice...never take a girl there for a date.

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    1. Re:Been there by glavenoid · · Score: 1
      A word of advice...never take a girl there for a date.

      Why not?

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    2. Re:Been there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A word of advice...never take a girl there for a date.

      Why not?

      Because it is the Slashdot stereotype that women don't understand technology and have no care for history. Obviously they must be too busy combing their hair, painting their nails, or trying on new shoes.
    3. Re:Been there by kbob88 · · Score: 1

      never take a girl there for a date

      No worry there, this being /.

      And being /., I realize that the parent post is completely fictional or hypothetical, regarding dates. But still, what exactly made the parent think that this would be a good idea?
    4. Re:Been there by langelgjm · · Score: 4, Funny

      You laugh, but I actually did take a girl on a date there. She was a physics major, FWIW... and it wasn't totally disastrous. Though I do think I enjoyed the visit more than she did. I liked the big bomba machine in particular.

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      "Anyone who [rips a CD] is probably engaging in copyright infringement." - David O. Carson
    5. Re:Been there by jacquems · · Score: 1

      The last time I visited was about 10 years ago when I lived in Maryland. I didn't know that much about crypto at the time, but I still found the museum fascinating. I especially liked the fingerprint matching software exhibit, complete with a sign for paranoid nuts like me that emphasizes that the computer does not store any of the fingerprints from the reader. I was already planning a visit this summer, and knowing that there are definitely new exhibits gives me all the more reason to go!

      A word of advice...never take a girl there for a date.

      What if she invites you? ;)

    6. Re:Been there by rikkards · · Score: 1

      Tell that to my wife, we went to DC for our anniversary and pretty much visited every museum in the mall. She loved it and wants to go back again.

      Did I mention she isn't a geek?

    7. Re:Been there by digitig · · Score: 1

      Because the security guards are really hot?

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    8. Re:Been there by FredThompson · · Score: 1

      Uh...no. CIA has the hot girls. Most of them are interrogators or field types. NSA is almost all math geeks and career government workers (I use that word loosely.) How many hot math geeks have you ever seen? How many hot girls want to sit in closed rooms all day long surrounded by math geeks. NSA is mainly older civil service slugs and active duty military GUYS. Think about it, if you're a hot military chick, do you want to be around the math geeks or the power? If they're at NSA and they're not, they're visitors or PR people.

    9. Re:Been there by digitig · · Score: 1

      active duty military GUYS. Who your date won't notice at all, because she only has eyes for you. Aww, sweet.
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    10. Re:Been there by braindrainbahrain · · Score: 1

      I visited there a few years ago. I could not help but notice that most of the museum visitors were young men in crew cuts (albeit in civilian clothes) and they were ALL talking in whispers.

      Actually, if you can get a group tour, it is well worth it. There was one going on at the time and the guide had all kinds of stories and anecdotes to tell.

    11. Re:Been there by robotkid · · Score: 1
      Same here, it's one of my wife's favorite museums and she's also definitely not a geek (she's an environmental educator). The main reason she likes it is that the volunteer docents there have such interesting stories to tell (although they usually have an up-front disclaimer that they can't answer any most questions about events post korean war), also the displays are mostly full of real, historically significant artifacts that you read about. Like the working Enigma machines. Contrast this with the Spy Museum in downtown D.C., which first of all costs $$$, second of all is mostly a collection of mock, reconstructed espionage equipment with glitzy, uninformative displays with a heavy bias towards all things James-Bond. And no docents with actual stories to tell.

      One thing that always gave me a chuckle was the large mural of a surveillance satellite that covers one wall, donated by a grateful aerospace contractor. My dad worked for NASA, so I'm used to seeing such things, only at NASA all the instruments are pointed away from Earth and not towards it.

    12. Re:Been there by hubie · · Score: 1

      The last time I was there I had to try to squeeze through the door blocked by a bunch of elementary school kids.

  5. First thought by esocid · · Score: 1

    was a museum dedicated to bigfoot and the lock ness monster since I thought it read cryptobiologic museum.

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    1. Re:First thought by Analise · · Score: 1

      From what I understand, you wouldn't be the first. They also have people wanting to know where the crypts are, every now and again.

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  6. Opening moment by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Welcome to L4XD739LNZ8367. Please decrypt the gender signs properly before selecting a restroom."

  7. No one will answer yes by Atario · · Score: 1

    Those who could say yes have, shall we say, gone on a long vacation.

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    "A great democracy must be progressive or it will soon cease to be a great democracy." --Theodore Roosevelt
  8. Re:For the Obama crowd! by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    Let me guess: you are 9.

  9. Worth the trip by ayden · · Score: 5, Informative

    I went to the NSA Cryptologic Museum back in 2002 while I was reading Cryptonomicon. Not only did they have Enigma machines, one exhibit had an Enigma out in the open that anyone could experiment with. The exhibits I was most impressed with were the Japanese encryption machines, Jade and Purple. These machines are quite rare and even the machines in these exhibits were incomplete.

    SIGSALY was also interesting - I didn't know that voice encryption was possible during WWII.

    I also found it amusing that they had a Connection Machines CM5. Sure, the CM 5's blinkin' lights are cool! But it was personally funny to me because my future brother-in-law used to work for Connection Machines and had a hand in their design and consturction. After I got home, I said to him, "Hey Sam, I saw some of your handy work in the NSA's museum".

    The volunteers working at the museum were all retired NSA or military intelligence. These guys actually worked with some of the equipment on display and could expertly explain technical details.

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    1. Re:Worth the trip by langelgjm · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Indeed, when I visited, we had a nice older gentleman explain in detail to us regarding the Engima machine on display. I also remember reading displays about a famed NSA member who knew something like 40 languages, and could go home and over the weekend learn enough of the basics of another language to decrypt messages in it.

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      "Anyone who [rips a CD] is probably engaging in copyright infringement." - David O. Carson
    2. Re:Worth the trip by tkohler · · Score: 1

      It is definitely worth a visit. I visited with my dad, who is a code history nut, back in 1999. We didn't plan to go but saw the brown historical site roadsign on the way from DC to Baltimore and made an impromptu visit. On the wall, there was a framed review saying how the museum was a great visit but was not well advertised. The NSA spokesman quoted in the article said, "Well, the NSA is not big on publicity"

    3. Re:Worth the trip by bkr1_2k · · Score: 1

      It's actually pretty simple to "learn" a language if you understand the basic grammar patterns of a language. That's actually how the military tests people for their language school. The test creates a language a few rules at a time and then asks questions based on those rules. It's an interesting thing to learn a completely fictitious language in 2 hours, but I enjoyed it.

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    4. Re:Worth the trip by Mox-Dragon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's actually pretty simple to "learn" a language if you understand the basic grammar patterns of a language.

      No, it's not. It's fairly easy to learn a small set of grammatical rules that are similar to your native language, or a set of incredibly simple grammatical rules.

      Give anybody a massaged data set from a concatenative language and they'll figure out the morphology pretty quick - but be absolutely unable to manipulate it in any meaningful or naturalistic way until they have hundreds of hours of experience with actual instances of language use. Additionally, the basic grammar patterns of a language are rarely (read:never) very regular, let alone perfectly regular. Small irregularities can make for big differences. There's simply too much in languages that's in the lexicon for anyone to be able to "learn" a language in two hours.

      Unless you're Kenneth Hale. Which none of us are.
    5. Re:Worth the trip by bkr1_2k · · Score: 1

      You're talking about the difference of understanding at particular level of fluency for everyday conversation, while I was responding to the fact that a particular person could "learn" a language in a weekend well enough to "decode" it. There's a big difference between those two levels of understanding. Especially when "decoding" doesn't happen in real time and references can be used to fill in the missing pieces of understanding.

      You are, of course, right about your assertion that you can't truly "learn" (hence my quotes in my original post) a language in 2 hours.

      I've studied 5 languages, counting my native English, and not counting the languages I've just dabbled in, and I'll admittedly say that I'll probably never be what I consider truly fluent in any of them except English. I can get by in several of them, but I'll never be fluent.

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  10. Google Earth location by B5_geek · · Score: 2, Informative

    It is located here:
      39 7'2.78"N x 7646'7.85"W

    Or as a link: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=39.118071,-76.76737&z=16&t=h&hl=en

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    1. Re:Google Earth location by SoapBox17 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually, no, it's located here: 39.114878, -76.77414

    2. Re:Google Earth location by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is 100% serious, and I'm posting as AC for obvious reasons:

      39.197615,-76.689216

      This is an "external" NSA building that a relative of mine works in. The entire building is NSA. She does international "cyber" threat assessment stuff (about all I know). She's currently on sabbatical taking high-level game theory and human judgement classes.

      Note the multitude of cameras at the edges of the building roof. I believe it's referred to as an "annex". I don't know if this a really classified or anything, but it's certainly not common knowledge.

    3. Re:Google Earth location by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not classified, no. It's definitely not the NCM.

      And it's a really, really shady move to mention some kin works for an excepted service. I'm not just referring to the obvious Agency here. I don't necessarily buy into the whole game, but at some point you need to think about your kin and not your /. cred. Since you claim to have "obvious reasons," you should damned well know what I'm referring to.

  11. Crypto museums by Animats · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's a neat little museum. Everything there is familiar to people in the field, but it's nice to see the actual hardware.

    I would have liked to see hardware from the NSA/IBM foray into cryogenic computing. NSA funded a long effort from 1960 or so to build a 1GHz computer, decades before anybody else. ("I want a thousand megacycle machine! I'll get you the money" - NSA director) IBM developed components that ran in liquid nitrogen. Apparently some special purpose hardware was built using this technology, but not a full-scale computer. The components were too big (each gate required a tiny coil) and ICs won out.

    SIGSALY is a reminder of just how hard it was to do anything with WWII electronics. SIGSALY is straightforward; it's a speech encoder and digitizer fed through a one-time key system. The keys were stored on phonograph records, made in pairs and shipped in advance. This was VoIP, version 0.000001. The system thing took 40 racks at each end, and a staff of fifteen at each site to keep it running. The record turntables had to be mechanically synched; there was at that time no memory device suitable for storing even a modest portion of the of key so that the thing could be synchronized electronically. There was no clock sent on the data channel; synchronization was entirely manual. Unclear why they did it that way. The display at NSA is a mockup.

    Bletchley Park in the UK is also worth a visit. Go on a weekend when the volunteers show up; the weekday guides don't know much about the technology.

  12. secret agent man by rice_burners_suck · · Score: 1

    Dude. They'll never figure out my secret agent decoder ring.

  13. National Cryptologic Museum sounds awful... by RudeIota · · Score: 1

    "National Cryptologic Museum -- NSA"
    "National Museum of Cryptology"... There you go NSA, fixed that for you.

    Sounds much better, doesn't it?
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  14. Re:For the Obama crowd! by Cboyd0319 · · Score: 1

    This has to be the most absolutely ignorant and appalling comment I have ever seen posted on any forum I have ever been privy to be a member of. The contents of this post, having not been moded down to absolute lowest levels of "troll", bring me shame even in reading it.
    I'm at a complete loss of words at this point and amazed that you, as evolution suggests, still exist. Anything you say at this point in rebuttal should be viewed as derogatory and demeaning (even in future posts).
    I would also like to recommend that your account be canceled on this site. Reading your comments causes me and others nothing but negative responses. Your comments instigate and infuriate people in a non-beneficial way. You instigate negative resposes, and further, I believe that is your entire charge. I should only hope that you, one day, will come to realize that race/color/gender/creed has nothing to do with where you are in life. Perhaps if you worked a little harder earlier in life, you might be happier with where you are at.

    Speaking as a veteran of TWO services I would also like to say that I've fought for your right to say these asinine comments, and while it might be your right (to be so damned stupid), no one with common sense would agree with your comments.

    Use some common sense, and some good judgment. If you're lacking of either, sign up and serve with any one of the people I have. You might learn something.

  15. I was there two weeks ago by F00F · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I had heard that the museum was "small but pretty interesting". That ended up definitely being an under-sell.

    The Computer History Museum in Mountain View is cool and all, but the Cryptologic Museum struck me on an entirely different level. Instead of the "Here is how computing evolved" theme of the Mountain View museum, I really felt like this was the "Here is why computation is relevant to communications (and warfare)" counterpart. They display voice and data encryption tools of the last five decades, from STE's and STU-III's back to (as other posters mentioned) the mechanically-synchronized SIGSALY machine that used giant turning vinyl records to encrypt the traffic. There is a handset you can pick up to hear pre-recorded messages representing the voice quality of each system. The oldest were barely intelligible, the newest are (obviously) crystal clear.

    The Cray XMP and YMP are impressive, and are in almost flawless condition! Rather than the exhibit at Mountain View, it felt like these machines were just recently taken out of service, and could easily be made operational again. They didn't seem like they'd been cobbled back together or had sat in closets neglected and falling apart for years. The density of some of the components on the Thinking Machines CM-5 memory and processor slices is impressive, and the descriptions of the power and cooling apparatus required (think many kilowatts and lots of Fluorinert) were equally amazing -- truly a testament to what can be done when money isn't much of an object, and a machine's value is measured solely in MIPS or MFLOPS.

    There is a three-foot-tall full-relief wooden replica of the Great Seal of the U.S. on the wall, which apparently was a gift from Russian schoolchildren to the U.S. embassador in Moscow. After hanging prominently on the wall for years in the embassador's office in Moscow, in 1952 it was discovered that it contained a resonant cavity eavesdropping bug on the inside that was very difficult to detect with sensing equipment of the time, unless it was activated by radio signal (presumably by Soviet spies) from the outside. I met there three (very proud) tourists of Russian descent who chuckled heartily at that one (and who tried to teach me how to say "Medvedev" properly, thanks!)

    As everyone else mentioned, the working Enigma machine was fun to encipher a message to a friend with (they have a pad and pencil for you to use), and the displays on the history of the agency and of the Korean and Vietnam conflicts were well put together. The GRAB II and Poppy ELINT satellites were especially interesting to me, and reminded me of the kind of things a senior class at the USAF Academy might build for a project these days (relics of an era when launch considerations and electronics density actually drove simplicity into designs).

    If you're an electronics/history/information assurance/security/aerospace/DC trivia fan, you'll almost certainly enjoy the trip, even if the facility is kind of small and out of the way. While you're in the area, go see the Udvar-Hazy center, too! And don't forget to tip your docents...

  16. NSA's current cyrogenic computing effort - 100GHz by Animats · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I did some Google searches, hoping to find some historical info on NSA's cryogenic computing efforts, and found this, a 2005 plan out of NSA to build a 50-100GHz computer by 2010.

    They want faster CPUs, not more CPUs. The commercial world isn't even trying any more. After reading this paper, one can see why. By throwing a few hundred million, and liquid helium, at the problem, they might get a 20x performance gain over commercial microprocessors. The CPU has to run at 4 degrees Kelvin, liquid helium temperature. And it has to be kept at 4K while dissipating about a kilowatt.

    The technology is totally nonstandard. The basic components are Rapid Single Flux Quantum devices running at 4K. The logic voltage power voltage is 3-5 mV. Signals are around 200 microvolts. This stuff requires custom semiconductor fabs to make.

    Getting data out of the low-temperature zone is a very tough problem, and optical interconnects have to be used. The proposed memory bandwidth is huge: "For example, a particular architecture may require half a million data streams at 50 Gbps each between the superconducting processors and room-temperature SRAM." Developing devices to drive the output data links from the low temperature zone, without causing too much heating in the cold part of the system, is a big part of the problem.

    The justification for all this is in Appendix E, and sounds totally bogus. Either there's some desperate need for this technology they don't mention, or it's a boondoggle. There must be something important for which parallelism won't work. It's surprising to see this from NSA, because most signal analysis and crypto problems parallelize well.

  17. Very cool. by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

    Definitely worth the trip, as others are saying.

    One thing I wondered about when I was there: SIGABA/ECM was touted by our tour guide as something which still hasn't been broken, even with modern computers. This seemed unlikely to me, especially after realizing how easily Enigma can be bruteforced (given any known plaintext) -- but then I read about Solitaire/Pontifex in Cryptonomicon, and it makes me wonder...

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  18. Re:Another AC starting at -1... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Is the slashdot moderation system broken or has it been changed recently? From the above comment:

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  19. Pictures by Raul654 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I was there in December. As is my hobby, I took pictures of basically everything in the museum, and then put them on Wikipedia. See the gallery here.

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  20. Heh, that one' easy by patio11 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I can brute force the whole plaintext space in, like, 5 seconds. Unless they start creating an arbitrary number of wrong doors leading to distintegration chambers.

  21. Bletchley Park rocks! by Peter+Simpson · · Score: 1

    Went there a few years ago, before they built the Colossus reconstruction. They were having a military collectors' flea market at the same time. Take the guided tour. There's an Enigma you can try out, and a ham radio club (GB2BP?). It's also fun just walking around the grounds. Just a 1/4 mile walk from the Bletchley railroad station on the Milton Keynes train out of London (sorry, forget which London station you leave from).

    Mom worked at Nebraska Avenue during the war, so I'm really getting a kick out of this...

    1. Re:Bletchley Park rocks! by BenBenBen · · Score: 1
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  22. Yea by kaiser423 · · Score: 1

    Was there yesterday.

    Really neat setup. Easily spent over two hours browsing around this small museum. Mostly on reading about the war stories. They just had a lot of neat stuff.

    You could actually encode and decode your own messages with actual ENIGMA machines. They had the actual bombe's that broke it, and tons of other stuff. The people there are also extremely helpful, knowledgeable, and nice. Even if you're just one person, they'll give you a whole tour and answer whatever questions you have. I highly recommend it!

  23. Ashamed to admit... by Arancaytar · · Score: 1

    ... that in spite of my interest in cryptology, most of my "knowledge" regarding the NSA stems from Dan Brown. Whose Hollywood-style description of how computers work was pretty painful.

  24. Re:For the Obama crowd! by stainlesssteelpat · · Score: 1

    Wow, so are you like related to GWB or are just suffering from rectal cranial inversion. I just wanna watch when karma (and not the /. kind) comes along and bites you on the ass like a 300lb african american prison inmate that aint gettin any.

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  25. Yeah, But It's Not the Real Deal Unless by aquatone282 · · Score: 2, Funny

    . . . the guide hollers "Red Badge!" before you enter every room.

    (Sorry - inside joke.)

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    1. Re:Yeah, But It's Not the Real Deal Unless by jsalbre · · Score: 1

      I miss they spinny red lights on the ceiling. That and the crazy old man that worked the short order grill on mid-shift! He made some killer pancakes.

      But what really tells you that you're "home" is the vending machines with toothpaste, toothbrushes and razors...

    2. Re:Yeah, But It's Not the Real Deal Unless by bofh69 · · Score: 1

      . . . the guide hollers "Red Badge!" before you enter every room.

      (Sorry - inside joke.) I read this, and said to myself, this guy must have worked at the same place as me. Then I noticed who posted it. Mystery solved.
  26. How Ironic by argStyopa · · Score: 1

    ...or maybe not: no where that I can see does that site have an address.

    It says it's located "...NSA Headquarters, Ft. George G. Meade, Maryland" but nothing you can look up.

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  27. Check out the Museum's library too by frantzen · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I was there in '02 or '03 and they had a small library that was open for a few hours every other Saturday. I spent more time sitting on the floor flipping through random WW2 declassified documents than I spent looking at the exhibits. One book was just old photocopies of reports about the german spies during WW2. They were dropped off on the easy coast by u-boat. And since germany couldn't pay them they were given a large quantity of cocaine that they were supposed to sell to fund their activities.

  28. I did. by Random+Luck · · Score: 1

    I visited it but if I told you about it I would have to eliminate you.

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  29. "Nothing to see here, please move along..." by rhartness · · Score: 1

    ... never seemed more appropriate.

  30. Re:Another AC starting at -1... by Torvaun · · Score: 1

    Is the slashdot moderation system broken or has it been changed recently? Yes, and yes.
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  31. worth a visit, if you are nearby. by Greg151 · · Score: 1

    I visited a year or so ago. There was a really nice retired govie/docent, and among the many interesting things was a variety of Enigma machines, including one or two that could be played with. It was fun to mess with crypto machines of that era, and see how the drum system inside worked.

    It is a bit off the beaten path, but worth a visit if you are in the area.

  32. What was the motel's name? by Roblimo · · Score: 1

    For extra Maryland local knowledge points, what was the name of the motel that was once in the building now occupied by the Cryptologic Museum?

    (Peter Wayner, I'm shocked that you didn't have that in the NYT article. Or did you, and it was edited out?)

    - Robin

    1. Re:What was the motel's name? by jsalbre · · Score: 1

      That would be the Colony 7. :)

  33. Re:For the Obama crowd! by moeinvt · · Score: 1

    "Use some common sense, and some good judgment. "

    Don't Feed the Trolls.

  34. Definitely worth a visit by plopez · · Score: 1

    Went there a few years ago. The enigma machine was cool as was the slave quilt. It also gives you a sense of how spooky the signal corps can be.

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  35. gift shop by Nicky+G · · Score: 1

    I was there maybe a year and a half ago or so, very cool, and they have an AWESOME gift shop. I got a really sweet lenticular NSA logo mousepad -- but I later learned that optical mice don't like to be used on lenticular surfaces. Oh well, it's still cool. They have T-shirts and pens and mugs and all that stuff. The exhibits are really interesting. Very cool place to go.

  36. Been there, I practically lived there. by NUBlackshirts · · Score: 1

    Walked out my back door and crossed the street to get to work. I was living in on-base housing. And, no, there weren't any dirt roads to the buildings. It's right off a friggin' highway! What was scary was how open Ft. Meade was at the time. We damn near had an episode of "Cops" once when 2 guys robbed a gas station just off-base and ran through our back yard during the "getaway." Helicopters, cop cars, and cops with guns out everywhere in our neighborhood. Made for some interesting late night entertainment. Of course my favorite part of the museum is the 80's section. Could tell you some stories about some of that equipment. On wait, no I can't.

  37. True NSA computing story by rclandrum · · Score: 2, Interesting

    True story:

    I was a codebreaker in the Army Security Agency from 71 to 77 and for the last five years worked at NSA. Taught myself programming to help automate some of the analysis I was doing at the time and was fortunate enough to work on some of the incredible hardware they had in the basement then. In 77 I had to decide whether to stay in (and stay poor on Army pay - about 10K/yr then) or get out and do real work, and interviewed with a number of DOD contractors around DC. When I told the interviewer the CDC mainframe model I last programmed, he confidently told me that CDC didn't make that model yet. I managed to convince him they did by describing some of its attributes and got the job, thereby doubling my pay.

    The VN listening post exhibit is interesting. Brought back a lot of memories from when I was stationed is SE Asia during the latter part of that war, helping to process the stuff those guys were intercepting. Fascinating work, and if it wasn't for the Carter-era hiring freeze, I'd still be solving those puzzles for a living.

  38. My Flickr photoset with 139 pics of the NCM by Lusiphur · · Score: 1

    ... is here.

    All photos CC-licensed (By-SA) so have fun!

  39. Lived and worked there by theppb · · Score: 1

    I was a 98C(now it's 35N) in the US Army until recently and did a tour for No Such Agency. I remember visiting the museum with my grandparents and getting hassled by the cops when grandpa took some photos of their welcome sign. It was super interesting - the Civil War wing especially. Who knew there was a signals intelligence field or cryptographic enterprise in Lincoln's era?

  40. My trip circa 1991 by quantumghost · · Score: 1

    I remember my trip to the NSA museum. We went in the early 1990's (c 1991). Now, please remember, this was 1) pre-Google 2) at the time when the cold war was not quite over and 3) the NSA was doing a much better job of staying out of the limelight and was rarely required to submit accounts of their actions even to Congress.

    Just finding the place required a few _weeks_ of detective work. We called the NSA a few times to get directions (and did we get some interesting questions from our department chair as to why we had to call the NSA in the first place), and the stock response we received was, "We don't have a museum". Very classic for "No Such Agency."

    Finally packing the group up and traveling down to Ft Mead, we must have traveled up and down the road for an hour looking for the turn off. I still remember that it was a small unmarked road (not a dirt road) that ran beside a (Shell?) gas station.

    Once we got there I seem to remember having to pass though a metal detector, which was very odd for a museum at that time! We then ran into two or three guys wearing dark blue blazers and khakis who inquired as to the purpose of our visit. Too young to be "veteran volunteers" and too old to be minimum wage flunkies, these guys eerily followed us around the entire museum, always hovering within earshot, but always trading off like they were practicing "trailing". The best was having to "sign" the guest log before entering. Now mind you, after the trouble to get there, the less than hospitable welcome, a minor grilling as to the purpose of our visit, we sure as in hell we're signing our real names!

    I suppose that the museum branch of the NSA has mellowed in the intervening years. At least I hope so, I fear that under President Bush, a trip there today could involve some waterboarding so that they could elicit the "true" reason for your visit....

  41. Made in China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was there and every piece of "NSA" branded shirts, sweatshirts, jackets, etc. was made in China.

  42. HIGHLY RECOMMENDED A+++++ by yhetti · · Score: 1

    I was the president of the university UNIX User's Group in Harrisonburg (about 2 hours away) and we decided to go as a "field trip". For a bunch of UNIX nerds, let me tell you, the NSA Crypto Museum is a religious experience. It was probably the most excited some of us had been in years. The people there were *awesome*; you could tell they were genuinely happy to have a bunch of "kids" that were super-excited to be there. I had my picture taken with the working Enigma (replica?) they have on display. Using it, standing next to it, hugging it. A good friend of mine got his picture taken while "licking" the Cray. There was a older man in full uniform volunteering..he followed us around and laughed like crazy.

    I have to imagine that a large number of people go there because it's "Something to do" or because one guy in the family read Cryptonomicon recently. When I told the guy we'd driven for 4 hours *just* for the Crypto Museum he got this look of wonder in his eye. It was a fantastic experience; take a group of friends that really like those sort of things because there's a *lot* of "boring stuff" if you don't. Mock-ups of Vietnam listening posts, a history of the Enigma cracking project...beautiful.

  43. No, hes right. by Lanboy · · Score: 1

    The Dirt road refered to is US Route 32, and in the 50s was a private, unmarked dirt and later paved military road. Untill the Puzzle Palace was released no one knew where the place was. Afterwords they put up signs.

    1. Re:No, hes right. by FredThompson · · Score: 1

      Really? There must have been far less traffic in the 50s. I've got some home movies from the WWII era showing how "empty" D.C. was compared to today. It's strange to see what are essentially grass fields around the monuments and I don't mean the Mall. Fifty years ago, hmm, interesting. Makes sense, though. No satellites or flyover to worry about.

  44. And the postcards.... by Lanboy · · Score: 1

    I have a few. Rosenberg notebooks, enigma machine, Supercomputers.

    Hi Steve!

  45. Re:NSA's current cyrogenic computing effort - 100G by thechao · · Score: 1

    I'm sorry. 100Ghz? You ever hear of speed limits? There's an important one, and 100Ghz kind of fucks you. Unless your processor is 486-like in quality. Even then... I'm skeptical. 100Ghz gives you only millimeters of traversal time.

  46. Historical Electronics Museum by s0rk · · Score: 1

    If you get a chance to visit the National Cryptologic Museum, give the Historical Electronics Museum a visit. It is closer to the Baltimore-Washington International (BWI) airport and about 15 - 20 minutes from the NCM. If the NCM is a 10 on a 1 to 10 GEEK scale then the HEM is a 9.

  47. Re:NSA's current cyrogenic computing effort - 100G by Animats · · Score: 1

    100Ghz gives you only millimeters of traversal time.

    That's right. The proposed CPUs are 2mm across.

  48. I wish i could go there by priandoyo · · Score: 1

    Great cryptologic resources, i wish i could go there :(
    Anjar Priandoyo securityprocedure.com

  49. Truth is Stranger Than Fiction by DwightMcCann · · Score: 1

    I lived the Washington, D. C. area forty to fifty years ago. At one time the CIA was located in an old beer brewery building downtown. Later they moved out of town and while I can't remember the name of the road, the entrance was in fact marked as a maintenance road. "Everybody" knew what the road really was. Years later there were newspaper articles about it and how the location was selected so no one had a clear view of any windows. In those days much was "security by obscurity".

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