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Spammers Hijacking IP Space

Ron Guilmette writes "As reported in the Washington Post's Security Fix blog, a substantial hunk of IP address space has apparently been taken over by notorious mass e-mailing company Media Breakaway, LLC, formerly known as OptInRealBig, via means that are at best questionable. The block in question is 134.17.0.0/16, which I documented in depth in an independent investigation. (Apparently, the President of Media Breakaway has now admitted to the Washington Post that his company has been occupying and using the 134.17.0.0/16 block and that front company JKS Media, which provides routing to the block, is actually owned by Media Breakaway.) Remarkably, the president of Media Breakaway, who happens to be an attorney, is trying to defend his company's apparent snatching of this block based upon his own rather novel legal theory that ARIN doesn't have jurisdiction over any IP address space that was handed out before ARIN was formed, in 1997."

233 comments

  1. I say we dust off and nuke the site from orbit by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's the only way to be sure...

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    1. Re:I say we dust off and nuke the site from orbit by Technician · · Score: 1

      I agree. It needs to be placed in the same status as 10. and 192.168. That should fix it.

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    2. Re:I say we dust off and nuke the site from orbit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's the only way to be sure... Kim Jong-il is working on/has nukes and hates the internet. Maybe you should offer to take his nuke to Washington DC for him. Then North Korea will get nuked back. Kill two birds with one stone! Alternately we relocate Media Breakaway to North Korea and cut all physical internet connections.
  2. If only we could... by Fluffeh · · Score: 2, Funny

    Form an agry mob, arm ourselves with pitchforks and flaming brands, and the chase those rascals way out to the outskirts of town.

    Hell, if there was any trouble, we could even transform into an angry lynch mob - THEN lets see who owns that space eh? EH? Whaddya say?

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    1. Re:If only we could... by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      I'll bring the rope if someone is willing to lend me a pichfork.

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    2. Re:If only we could... by CrazyKen · · Score: 1

      The infidels are weakened!... and thank you for the new shoes.

    3. Re:If only we could... by dajalas · · Score: 1

      Death penalty for spammers!!! grr! snarl! :)

  3. Wouldn't it be nice... by dreamchaser · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...if everyone just blocked that IP range entirely at their routers, shutting off their connectivity?

    There was a time when the Internet was a 'small' enough place that it would have even been feasible. Kind of like blacklisting a Usenet server for spam.

    1. Re:Wouldn't it be nice... by Fluffeh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Only problem with that approach is that you are therefore in fact giving them that IP space by lack of a fight.

      That would then lead to another group "claiming" another spot of space, and so on and so forth - until there was no legitimate or unused space left at all - then you would have to fight the same fight with many many people rather than one spamming company as we have now.

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    2. Re:Wouldn't it be nice... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've already done just that, permitting specific countries to connect to my domains but firewalling off other countries/IP addresses so they cannot connect to any port, notably SMTP, which had the nice side effect of dramatically cutting back on spam processing (it also prevents the problem outlined by the article too). Sadly, the iptables geomind extension isn't really maintained so I wound up using OpenBSD's pf firewall. It's currently at ~93000 lines, each line representing a netblock for the countries that I care about, and the performance impact is very low (use pf tables which makes all the difference). Then you have lines like (I use ISO 2 character country codes)

      pass in quick on $ext_if from to any

    3. Re:Wouldn't it be nice... by LostCluster · · Score: 1

      You're forgetting that this "claimed" IP space has a legit owner who might want to use it someday. It'd be an internet turf war of people were simply able to advertise the availability of a network they don't own.

    4. Re:Wouldn't it be nice... by varmittang · · Score: 1

      Doesn't he need access to the back bone to make this even work? Hell, I could grab all the IP addresses of the Internet and put it in a router but it would only work in my own little world here in my house. So, does he control a back bone node that he can redirect traffic to make this work? And if the AT&T's of the world black list his set of router mac addresses then it should exclude him from getting any traffic or his ability to send any traffic, right?

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    5. Re:Wouldn't it be nice... by Ethan+Allison · · Score: 1

      So what? There's enough internet to go around – do we really need any of the stuff that ARIN doesn't have control over?

    6. Re:Wouldn't it be nice... by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      > You're forgetting that this "claimed" IP space has a legit owner who might want to use
      > it someday.

      So why isn't SF Bay Packet Radio taking any action?

      > It'd be an internet turf war of people were simply able to advertise the availability of
      > a network they don't own.

      Isn't that what is happening here?

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    7. Re:Wouldn't it be nice... by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 1

      You don't need to control a backbone to announce an AS number and a chunk of address space.

    8. Re:Wouldn't it be nice... by rbanffy · · Score: 1

      No. By isolating them we will make them non-viable and, when they die, we will reclaim the block.

      For now, I have blocked it in my firewalls.

    9. Re:Wouldn't it be nice... by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

      > So what? There's enough internet to go around â" do we really need any of the stuff that ARIN doesn't have control over?

      Huh? There certainly isn't enough "internet", if that includes IPv4 address space. We definitely don't have enough space if every jackass in the universe runs out and squats in the first /16 they decide to use.

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    10. Re:Wouldn't it be nice... by Metasquares · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How will everyone know when the block is reclaimed? You'll end up with an entire /16 that no one can use because everyone is still blocking it.

    11. Re:Wouldn't it be nice... by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

      From what I can tell the scheme is a little more involved than that.

      The spammers set up a front corporation in Nevada with a name that's basically identical to the now-defunct Ham radio club that got the block back in 1989. Then they just took control of it using that name; to a casual observer -- and apparently ARIN didn't bother to look too closely -- they looked like the legitimate owner. It's basically a social engineering exploit.

      And because of the way the ARIN's rules are set up, they don't pay anything in fees because it's a "grandfathered" block. Not bad if you can get it.

      Then, they set up a second shell corporation (JKS Media) to announce the routes -- probably because any halfway-legitimate ISP would have caught on to the fact that they really weren't a San Francisco-based Amateur Radio club. This second shell corp obtained an AS number and advertised all the routes to the hijacked IP range, and on paper looked like a separate company. But it's pretty clear on closer inspection that it's just a front for the spammers.

      More information here:
      http://www.47-usc-230c2.org/chapter2.html

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    12. Re:Wouldn't it be nice... by PalmKiller · · Score: 1

      I just did...thanks for their /16, its blocked so let them enjoy

    13. Re:Wouldn't it be nice... by Cramer · · Score: 1

      You do for it to actually work. Every ISP I've worked for or dealt with in the last 10 tens implements AS AND prefix filters. You can only announce the address space you actually own or that of your customers -- with written authorization from said customers.

      Looks more like honest ISPs should terminate all peering with Cogent and anyone else seen announcing 134.17/16. Having had part of my network stolen over a decade ago ('95-96), you do not want people like this on the internet. (in our case it was claimed to be a typo, but it still took the entire ISP off the net for over a day.)

    14. Re:Wouldn't it be nice... by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 1
      I've worked with several large IP transit providers who don't always filter prefixes properly, either due to technical or bureaucratic reasons. Simply look at the problem YouTube ran into when a Pakistan ISP tried to blackhole YouTube only in Pakistan, but due to prefixes not being filtered properly, their announcement propagated out to the net.

      While I'm glad you've been able to work with organizations that filter prefixes properly, it doesn't always work out the way you've experienced.

    15. Re:Wouldn't it be nice... by adam.dorsey · · Score: 1

      Maybe this scenario you describe could jump-start the move to ipv6. Of course, then there would be so much IP space for them to grab all over again.

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    16. Re:Wouldn't it be nice... by Ziest · · Score: 1

      Dear spammer bastard.

      Welcome to my firewall. I hope you rot in hell.

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    17. Re:Wouldn't it be nice... by sjames · · Score: 1

      You do have to get your transit providers or peers to recognize your route advertisement.

    18. Re:Wouldn't it be nice... by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      I've worked with several large IP transit providers who don't always filter prefixes properly, either due to technical or bureaucratic reasons. Simply look at the problem YouTube ran into when a Pakistan ISP tried to blackhole YouTube only in Pakistan, but due to prefixes not being filtered properly, their announcement propagated out to the net.

      While I'm glad you've been able to work with organizations that filter prefixes properly, it doesn't always work out the way you've experienced.


      Given how well the Pakistan mistake worked globally, why couldn't someone else "accidentally" broadcast that 134.17.0.0/16 route? That would take it out for a large portion of the network.

      Hell, that would stop a large proportion of the spam - if the originating servers can't make as many outgoing connections (because the return packets are mis-routed back), then it'll take a bit of work to find the few botnet machines able to communicate back...
    19. Re:Wouldn't it be nice... by Mister+Transistor · · Score: 1

      Packet radio is a segment of amateur radio that is languishing and dying at the moment. It was very popular 5-10 years ago, but only offers data speeds of 1200-9600 baud, so it's pretty ancient technology compared to what we're used to these days.

      I'm guessing the Packet radio org either no longer exists or is probably depopulated or disinterested in maintaining the IP space anymore.

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    20. Re:Wouldn't it be nice... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      block in drop on $(ext_if) from 134.17.0.0/16 to any

    21. Re:Wouldn't it be nice... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The point here being that you don't have to block them from being routed on the internet. You just have to deny them connectivity into your network. If enough people do this then the IP block is worthless. I cannot see why this guy hasn't realized that the new wave of spamming is mindless botnets. Not hijacked legitimate address space. If the guy is spamming then:

      block in drop on $(ext_if) from 134.17.0.0/16 to any port 25

      is slightly preferable.

    22. Re:Wouldn't it be nice... by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      There was the recent case of a national ISP somewhere in the Middle East (IIRC) announcing an IP that they didn't own, disrupting access to youtube for the whole world. It all depends on how high up they're willing to go with the bribes.

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    23. Re:Wouldn't it be nice... by Spudley · · Score: 1

      Lack of fight or not, it looks like there's going to be a legal fight over the block, so he'll be effectively free to use it until that's over at least. And there's always the outside chance he'll bamboozle the judge and win the case, in which case it'll be party time in Spamland, and everyone's IP ranges will be at risk. But I suppose the one good thing if that happens -- you can be sure that all those companies the currently can't be bothered to move to IP6 will suddenly start seeing the benefits of it.

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    24. Re:Wouldn't it be nice... by ewanm89 · · Score: 1

      1200 baud-9600 baud may be slow. But amateur operators are getting these signals as fa as possible on as lower as possible power.

    25. Re:Wouldn't it be nice... by petecarlson · · Score: 1

      Lets say I were to filter their advertisements at my core routers. Would I need legal justification to do this? I could just as easily filter Google or MS or anyone else for that matter but I don't because I believe that it is not my job to decide what is good bad or ugly on the internet. We need to have standards for behaviors and when it comes to IP space, I respect ARIN. When ARIN says that the bastards don't own the IP space and they continue to advertise it, I will then start to filter it. Until that point, I can't be the judge of the intertubes. On the other hand, if your not an ISP and your routers just route for your own org, I would filter away.

    26. Re:Wouldn't it be nice... by ralewi1 · · Score: 1

      Not sure where you get "languishing and dying" from. Cheap, easy long haul communications, albeit at low bauds, is something that will be around for a long while.

    27. Re:Wouldn't it be nice... by Lennie · · Score: 1

      I have a really simple policy, if you abuse some service at our work, you could get blocked.

      So if some IP-block sends a lot of spam (at the moment I don't see any traffic from there), I block it at the mailservers.

      Or firewalls if they still use up a lot of traffic (usually tcp syn and reset don't usually use up a lot of traffic).

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    28. Re:Wouldn't it be nice... by WGR · · Score: 1

      While it seems to be easy to trick ARIN to transferring a domain, it is not easy to change the ownership to correct owner. I am the registered contact person for a class B IP space for an organization for which I used to work. Since I no longer have the email address inside that organization, I can not seem to get ARIN to transfer the space to the actual organization's supplier (to conolidate the block). They have basically told me that the organization can't return the IP space since it requires me to work for that organization to authorize it. The class B space is no longer routed on the Internet but is still used internally , so there is not problem with ASN use but it can't be used.

    29. Re:Wouldn't it be nice... by Magic5Ball · · Score: 1

      > why couldn't someone else "accidentally" broadcast that 134.17.0.0/16 route? That would take it out for a large portion of the network.

      Because they could get around that by announcing two /17s instead. Someone could announce that entire space as /24s, but that someone would get de-peered fairly quickly for causing much route flap.

      > if the originating servers can't make as many outgoing connections (because the return packets are mis-routed back), then it'll take a bit of work to find the few botnet machines able to communicate back

      Most botnets are tiered P2P with shielding. Blocking such with routing tricks with any kind of precision or accuracy would increase the size of routing tables by at least an order of magnitude or two.

      From this perspective, notspam may be the killer app that makes IPv6 finally take off...

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    30. Re:Wouldn't it be nice... by Mister+Transistor · · Score: 1

      I get "languishing and dying" from the real world. Are you a ham? I am. In fact, I'm the Repeater Frequency Coordinator for one of the 3 biggest states in the country. So you could say I'm in touch with the pulse of ham radio!

      Packet radio operations have been reduced from dozens of active internet gateways and digipeaters to strictly simplex operations and APRS (GPS vehicle location). The main 2 packet radio orgs in our large city have evaporated.

      Anyway, no one wants to play with low-speed FSK and AFSK modes anymore, the focus nowadays is on DSSS and TDMA/FDMA digital data/voice systems. Of course there will always be a few old farts that continue to play with it, which explains why CW is still around.

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    31. Re:Wouldn't it be nice... by Ilgaz · · Score: 1

      I am sure the respected and serious RBLs are waiting for the very first spam "cloud" from that IP block to add it to their list.

      Also security companies must have noted the IP block too (not to forget Govt. agencies all over the World).

      That IP block is already worthless if you ask me.

  4. SImple, blackhole the IP space by jmorris42 · · Score: 1

    This one is simple. Everyone just blackholes the IP range and game over. Better if the backbones drop the route. Best if we all drop the IP space of whoever is directly connecting to a known spam network.

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    1. Re:SImple, blackhole the IP space by dave.josephsen · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It really isn't that simple. I'd refer you to my own work (http://www.usenix.org/media/events/lisa07/tech/videos/josephsen.mp4, and http://media.defcon.org/dc-15/video/Defcon15-Dave_Josephsen-Homeless_Vikings.mp4 ) or that of Nick Feamster at Georgia tech. They've been hijacking address space via short-lived BGP prefix hijacks for at least 5 years now, and It is exactly the attitude of "we'll just block X" that got us here in the first place. If you use RBL's and make the arms race about IP's , then the most direct response is to attack the network layer and/or IP space. Further there are real world reasons why IP filters just aren't going to work on a global scale. For that I'd refer you to the work of Mohit Lad at UCLA. There is an economic layer on top of BGP. The effect of no-valley routing is that you're going to get route propagation from folks you think you can trust but cannot. It's a bit much to get into here, but off-handedly blacklisting more shit isn't the answer here, it's the problem.

    2. Re:SImple, blackhole the IP space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit, fact is I am blocking their sorry ass. And if anyone is letting spammers get ahold of their core routers, they need their ass blocked until they can get their crap secure

    3. Re:SImple, blackhole the IP space by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Okay, rather than prevent routing to their subnet, I'll just add the IP block to my deny filter on my SMTP server.

      Done and done. Can't spam what won't let you connect.

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    4. Re:SImple, blackhole the IP space by pclminion · · Score: 1

      This one is simple. Everyone just blackholes the IP range and game over. Better if the backbones drop the route. Best if we all drop the IP space of whoever is directly connecting to a known spam network.

      How, exactly, will that give us those addresses back?

    5. Re:SImple, blackhole the IP space by Bryansix · · Score: 1

      The Internet is like the Wild West. Just because a bunch of families come in a Wagon Train heading west and don't know shit about surviving in the wild doesn't mean you should just set up road blocks and steal all their shit!

    6. Re:SImple, blackhole the IP space by Mark+Bainter · · Score: 1

      Yes...and when enough people do that, they Hijack another one, and another one, and another one. This is not a race you can win. Especially when they're executing prefix attacks against valid IP space. If this is your approach, you might as well just unplug your ethernet cable and be done with it.

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    7. Re:SImple, blackhole the IP space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dave... I understand what you are saying... but I don't believe this is a case of BGP prefix hijacking. This is a guy who claims to have "reclaimed" unused space (certainly through dubious means) ... has buffaloed ARIN (which seems altogether too easy to do) and has an ISP routing that space to his stuff... something they apparently can legitimately do until some legal action tells them they cannot.
      It does not appear that the original users of the space were actually using the block at all... were they?

  5. Firewall Updated by Bigbutt · · Score: 1

    Thanks.

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  6. Not this by bobwrit · · Score: 0

    This page hasn't... Yet http://www.programers.co.nr/

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  7. Why the disclaimer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why the big, strange disclaimer whenever I try to follow links on the independent investigation page? I just skimmed the whole thing and closed it. I don't mind that you're going after spammers. In fact, I encourage destroying them!

    But what was the point of pages of legal disclaimers? Do you really need them to fight off shyster spammer lawyers these days? Though to be fair, I suppose the original green card spammers really were sleezebag lawyers...

    1. Re:Why the disclaimer? by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

      I think those only appear on links to the spammer's site. It's a little weird but the investigation page has a couple of links that point to pages that immediately redirect to the spammer's site.

      I don't know if he's doing that to avoid giving them the link or what. (Seems to me he'd be better just not linking at all, but what do I know.)

      But the site that pops up that weird disclaimer and requires you to agree before you can get to the actual site -- that's the site for the spammer's front company that provides the routing to the stolen IP ranges (JKS Media).

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  8. I say they can have it... by Talez · · Score: 1

    # ip route add blackhole 134.17.0.0/16
    # route -n

    All good!

    1. Re:I say they can have it... by Barny · · Score: 1

      So, uh, they win?

      It needs to be policed NOT ignored.

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    2. Re:I say they can have it... by Bigbutt · · Score: 1

      Then call the police. In the mean time, I'm going to lock my doors and windows to keep the thieves out.

      [John]

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    3. Re:I say they can have it... by Barny · · Score: 1

      Great interpretation of a concept.

      *clap*

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    4. Re:I say they can have it... by stevey · · Score: 1

      Indeed they do need to be policed. But having looked over my logs I see hundreds of spam connections originating from that range - so now I know "something fishy" is going on I can block it!

      For example random bounces from 134.174.120.81 and 134.174.140.200.

      So now I've blocked it I'll have slightly less processing to do!

    5. Re:I say they can have it... by Bigbutt · · Score: 1

      No I don't think they should have it, especially based on the shadiness of the transaction. Heck, I live just a short ways away from the Colorado office. I might just stop by and check it out.

      But I don't know what you want _me_ to do. The owners have apparently abandoned the space. The "police" are investigating.

      I'll keep an eye on it here and in other places and drop the block when appropriate.

      I have a block on China and Latvia. China because they're always trying to get in to my system via ssh and Latvia because they're always trying to subvert my web server (lots of eclub.lv redirect attempts).

      Do you have a proposal besides "we can't let them win OMG!" If so, then let's hear it.

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    6. Re:I say they can have it... by Barny · · Score: 1

      Sure. Contact your (zomg, i r assuming u r in usa) legislators and make them aware that:

      A. the internet is slowly running out of IPs
      B. replacing the current system will cause problems and cost money
      C. these scumbags are using a huge chunk of the current system that could do with some purging

      Being Australian of course my opinion matters not to US high and mighty, doesn't stop my government from getting up their dictators sluice gate though.

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    7. Re:I say they can have it... by nobaloney · · Score: 1

      I have a block on China and Latvia.

      Which works for you. For us it wouldn't; we have clients in China and SysAdmins working for us from Latvia

      To each his own

  9. Blackhole == Defeat! by Fluffeh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If the IP is simply blackholed, you are by lack of argument allowing this Spammer to put some sort of credible hold on that IP. That's like finding a squatter in a house on the street where the owners have gone on holiday - and simply putting a peice of tape across the driveway - it doesn't solve the bigger problem which is that someone walked into the house and started living there without any credible reason of doing so. It doesn't solve the problem of what's going to happen when the people return from holidays and find this squatter in their house.

    Also, if we simply blackhole that IP, what's going to happen when a legitimate user tries to use that space. It's going to go to bollocks for them when they find that the rest of the net is ignoring them already.

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    1. Re:Blackhole == Defeat! by spamhostage · · Score: 1

      I need help I work for a spammer and pretty much hostage unless its shut down, i cant take it any more any suggestions

    2. Re:Blackhole == Defeat! by Nullav · · Score: 1

      So let 'em have it. Then we can start citing it as even more reason to move over to IPv6 already.

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    3. Re:Blackhole == Defeat! by QuantumG · · Score: 1

      That's like finding a squatter in a house on the street where the owners have gone on holiday Huh? That's not squatting. If the premises are occupied then it is trespass. I know this must be hard to understand in the US where there are no sensible squatting laws, but in civilized world squatting is where you are living somewhere that is vacant without the authorization of the owner. Squatting serves an important purpose: to force property owners to develop the property. Otherwise all the buying up property for the purpose of speculating on an increase in the market would result in widespread homelessness.
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    4. Re:Blackhole == Defeat! by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Temporarily blackholing the IP range is the easiest way to stop spam.

      If you are really concerned about re-assignment: an alternative would be to blackhole (or convince your upstream to blackhole) route advertisements from peers with the origin AS of the hijacker or supposed hijacker, I.E. AS # 32311 (if you believe it's hijacking 134.17.0.0/16).

      If you have a default route to a provider that doesn't implement a similar policy, then you'd probably need to carefully override that default with some manner of exclusion or special (non-advertised) static entry, intended to be overriden if the prefix later gets advertised from another source.

    5. Re:Blackhole == Defeat! by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      > I know this must be hard to understand in the US where there are no sensible squatting
      > laws...

      Google "adverse possession".

      > Squatting serves an important purpose: to force property owners to develop the property.

      Why is necessary that all property be "developed"?

      > Otherwise all the buying up property for the purpose of speculating on an increase in
      > the market would result in widespread homelessness.

      You have a defective understanding of economics.

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    6. Re:Blackhole == Defeat! by Fluffeh · · Score: 1

      Goodness me, that's so utterly way off the mark :)

      Quote:
      squatting is where you are living somewhere that is vacant without the authorization of the owner

      Yes, and the problem here is that when the owner comes to the squatter and says "I would like you to go somewhere else as I would like to [insert reason]." the squatter then replies with "But I have been living here for [insert length] and I ain't moving."

      The IP address they have been using does not belong to them.
      Rather than putting forward the plan to get them to move along (or even shock/horror) BUY a place to reside in, people here seem to think that blackholing them (simply pretending they don't exist reallistically) will fix the problem.

      Quote:Otherwise all the buying up property for the purpose of speculating on an increase in the market would result in widespread homelessness.

      Goodness me, I don't even want to touch that. Just how much land do you think is in the world without someone laying claim to own it at the moment, whether it is behind a "Ma and Pa" farm, a track of wilderness or acres and acres of land behind a fence somewhere? Simple answer: There isn't a square centimeter of land on the earth that doesn't have someone as an owner. It has utterly nothing to do with homelessness @_@

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    7. Re:Blackhole == Defeat! by NeumannCons · · Score: 1

      The Antarctic has a pie shaped portion of land without any recognized owner (between 90 degrees w and 150 degrees west - about a 1/8 slice of the antarctic "pie"). All the other land is claimed by one country or another -- sometimes the same land is claimed by more than one country and depends on who you have a treaty with determines who you believe.

    8. Re:Blackhole == Defeat! by El+Torico · · Score: 1
      Your definition of trespass is wrong; no where does it say that property has to be occupied. Of course, the legal definition will vary by jurisdiction, but in Standard English the definition doesn't mention occupancy, only permission.

      This is from Mirriam-Webster online -

      Main Entry: 1trespass Pronunciation: \tres-ps, -pas\ Function: noun Etymology: Middle English trespas, from Anglo-French, passage, overstepping, misdeed, from trespasser Date: 13th century 1 a: a violation of moral or social ethics : transgression; especially : sin b: an unwarranted infringement 2 a: an unlawful act committed on the person, property, or rights of another; especially : a wrongful entry on real property b: the legal action for injuries resulting from trespass.

      This is from the Oxford English Dictionary -

      trespass verb 1 enter someone's land or property without their permission. 2 (trespass on) make unfair claims on or take advantage of (something). 3 (trespass against) archaic or literary commit an offence against. noun 1 Law entry to a person's land or property without their permission. 2 archaic or literary a sin; an offence. -- DERIVATIVES trespasser noun. -- ORIGIN Old French trespasser 'pass over, trespass', from Latin transpassare.

      Overall, the assertion that the property must be occupied is simply wrong. Squatting is trespassing.

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    9. Re:Blackhole == Defeat! by El+Torico · · Score: 1

      Whoa -- time out there, kiddo. What makes you so sure that absentee landlords DESERVE to regain access to land that they ABANDONED for such a long time? In my opinion, it's all about occupancy and use.

      So, by your reasoning, it's OK for SF Bay Packet Radio LLC to have the 134.17/16 block? They are using it apparently.

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    10. Re:Blackhole == Defeat! by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      Quit or go postal, preferably the second option if you can get away with it.

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    11. Re:Blackhole == Defeat! by IndustrialComplex · · Score: 1

      Although it has no recognized owner, I'm willing to be the instant you tried to claim it, 400 other countries would jump in with their own claims.

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    12. Re:Blackhole == Defeat! by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Your analogy isn't quite correct. If the entire internet blackholes the IP block, yes you aren't putting up an argument, but you are effectively making it useless for them and taking away their motivation to continue holding it.

      Correcting your squatter analogy: The move into a house, and the city comes in and builds a 20' reinforced concrete wall around the place. They aren't going anywhere, and no one is coming in. The house is now effectively useless, and the world continues to operate around them.

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    13. Re:Blackhole == Defeat! by idontgno · · Score: 1

      So let 'em have it. Then we can start citing it as even more reason to move over to IPv6 already.

      How does that solve anything? Or am I misunderstanding which problem you're solving?

      If the problem you're solving is "They're eating up precious IPv4 addresses", then yes, IPv6 obviates the problem. But that problem isn't particularly unique to spammers squatting on subnets; for a more egregious example, consider the organizations with legitimate /8 networks that they'll never fully need, but have uncontested ownership of because of legacy considerations (i.e., they were there first, in the ancient days).

      If, on the other hand, the problem you mean so solve is "We can escape the spammer's IPv4 addresses by fleeing to IPv6", sorry, that won't work. The entire IPv4 space is mapped as a special IPv6 class, so those squatted addresses will still be present, owned by the same (alleged) crooks, and administered by the same broken processes.

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    14. Re:Blackhole == Defeat! by MilesAttacca · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, there are only roughly 200 countries, but I bet you most of them would try to double-claim to make up for it. :P

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    15. Re:Blackhole == Defeat! by MilesAttacca · · Score: 1

      Feed ye not the troll.

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  10. Snotty Scotty Richter by kchrist · · Score: 3, Informative

    OptinRealBig belongs to none other than Snotty Scotty Richter. I haven't heard of that guy in a while. I was hoping he had been hit by a bus or something.

  11. Blackholing this address space may not be wise by Whuffo · · Score: 5, Insightful
    If you're going to add this address space to your firewall or block it at the router - consider that this rogue outfit is likely to be taken down soon, and that address space may then be assigned to a legitimate operation. There's not an unlimited number of addresses left in IPv4 you know.

    What's been happening for years now is well-meaning admins blocking various IP addresses / blocks and/or domain names. Their motives are good, but after the address or domain name is blocked they almost never go back and recheck to see if the block is still needed. What this leads to over time are holes in the address space that can't be used, awkward or no routes to some addresses from some other addresses, etc. Especially in this time of zombie machines; blackhole that IP address and you've knocked some individual off line - but you've done nothing to reduce the amount of spam / viruses / worms / etc.

    This is what killed ORBS and other services of that type. Easy to add domains / addresses to the blocklist, but difficult to remove them. Eventually the list becomes useless...

    Much better solution: make an example out of the people who are squatting on this netblock. Break out the pitchforks and torches...

    1. Re:Blackholing this address space may not be wise by v1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      He has to peer somewhere. THEY should be the ones to blackhole him. One way or another he has to be paying someone off to route in his direction. I don't see why that's hard to cut off?

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    2. Re:Blackholing this address space may not be wise by Fluffeh · · Score: 1

      Hey! It's pitchforks and flaming brands, not torches...

      See here!

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    3. Re:Blackholing this address space may not be wise by mysidia · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you're willing to pay enough for the bandwidth you will probably find a major provider to let you advertise your range.

      For the origin of that range to get as far as they have, they clearly had paperwork to prove to their upstream that the range is assigned to them.

      You're their customer. Without a very good reason to do so, they won't (can't) blackhole you without violating whatever interconnection agreement was signed.

      Temporarily blocking a range should cause no permanent issue for the new owners, not that a range like that one can be re-assigned quickly.

      Since it had already been used before, very possibly the range would be considered un-assignable, just like the class E ranges and other ranges which were originally reserved/special.

      But you see, it's better to have a range be unusable than to have a range with bad documentation that can be occupied by whatever spammer wants to occupy it.

      (Or: blackholed is better than can be freely occupied on tenuous or ridiculous reasoning arising out of strange circumstances -- like the person who wants to occupy it used to be a contact for the the defunct organization who it was once registered to)

    4. Re:Blackholing this address space may not be wise by steveb3210 · · Score: 1

      The easiest solution I see is to blackhole the BGP route annoucement from its current ASN.. no annoucements, no ip block.

    5. Re:Blackholing this address space may not be wise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know what stone age tech you are using. But my firewall runs in connection with an RDBMS. Takes care of itself, adopting to new threads by analyzing network traffic and clean up stuff that is not needed anymore.
      There is no fixed list.

    6. Re:Blackholing this address space may not be wise by SaDan · · Score: 1

      I think everyone who has the capability should start announcing the same netblock via BGP.

    7. Re:Blackholing this address space may not be wise by Burdell · · Score: 1

      For the origin of that range to get as far as they have, they clearly had paperwork to prove to their upstream that the range is assigned to them. Except they don't. The IANA/ARIN records for that block show it being assigned to SF Bay Packet Radio in 1999. However, the nameservers appear to have been changed in October 2007 to sfbprservices.com, which is then registered by Media Breakaway (trying to pretend to be the original owner). Apparently, their upstreams (Level3, Cogent, and XO) did not do any checking, nor are they doing proper route filtering. IIRC all three of those companies are hurting finacially, so they probably just looked the other way because they need the money.
    8. Re:Blackholing this address space may not be wise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you think services like ORBS have been "killed" then you obviously don't have any exposure to dealing with spam whatsoever. You certainly don't have a clue. ORBS was done in by spite listings.

    9. Re:Blackholing this address space may not be wise by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

      They have what looks like a front company with an ASN that advertises routes to the stolen address space.

      It's "JKS Media" and they have ASN 32311.

      Peers include Cogent, XO, Level3, and 360Networks.

      IMO, it's the networks peering with JKS that need to pull the plug, rather than having every sysop on the net blacklist either the ASN or the IP address range.

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    10. Re:Blackholing this address space may not be wise by EdIII · · Score: 1

      If you're going to add this address space to your firewall or block it at the router - consider that this rogue outfit is likely to be taken down soon, and that address space may then be assigned to a legitimate operation. There's not an unlimited number of addresses left in IPv4 you know.

      I already considered it. For about 60 seconds as I watched an inordinate number of spam attempts on my mail servers. Took me less than 5 seconds to add 134.17.0.0./16 to the firewall. I felt sorry for the eventually legitimate new owners of that IP address space, but it passed rather quickly.

      What's been happening for years now is well-meaning admins blocking various IP addresses / blocks and/or domain names. Their motives are good, but after the address or domain name is blocked they almost never go back and recheck to see if the block is still needed.

      I agree with you. I use real time DNS requests to the SBL/XBL/PBL from SpamHaus and Spam Cop to check if an address is on the lists. Both SpamHaus and Spam Cop are pretty good at managing their databases and removing entries that need to be removed. I know some may not speak highly of them, but I am relying on them and I believe that they are acting quickly upon the best information that they have. I also use the Drop Lists. It is interesting to note that SpamHaus HAS NOT added 134.17.0.0/16 to their Drop Lists yet. I actually have a Calendar entry to go check and update my Drop Lists every 30 days. I think it is the only responsible thing to do since IP address spaces may have been added as well as deleted.

      You can also look at this from the other perspective. If JoeBlow@SomeRandomCompany.com was attempting to email from this blocked space then he would complain to the recipient that he is getting a 5xx or 2xx code and cannot send his email. The recipient will then complain to the ISP and indirectly/directly to the mail server administrator that they cannot get email from someone. It is not like it is impossible to fix, especially when enough bitching by the users gets to the boss's ears. If a mail server administrator is not up to the task of properly administrating a mail server, then there will be other problems coming up for him anyways. So it does work both ways.

      Especially in this time of zombie machines; blackhole that IP address and you've knocked some individual off line - but you've done nothing to reduce the amount of spam / viruses / worms / etc.

      Huh? I just reduced a TON of spam/viruses/worms/phish/etc. from entering my network. I would say exactly the opposite of what you are saying. I also like to point out that I did not affect the individuals ability to send email either. I only affected their ability to act as a mail server. They still have the ability to send email through gMail, Yahoo, Hotmail, or their own ISP. SpamHaus provides the XBL, which is a specific list of exploited machines (zombies). I would say that 40% of ALL> my SMTP transactions come from IP addresses on this list alone.

      This is what killed ORBS and other services of that type. Easy to add domains / addresses to the blocklist, but difficult to remove them. Eventually the list becomes useless...

      What killed them was their negligence and indifference. I have not seen that behavior from SpamHaus or Spam Cop. If you go to SpamHaus right now you can see the last 25 resolutions they performed. They also charge higher volume clients. So although I completely agree with you that IP address spaces and domains not being removed will render such services useless over time, that does not apply to all of them.

      Much better solution: make an example out of the people who are squatting on this netblock. Break out the pitchforks and torches...

      Uhhhh, yeahh. Where do you live? I would love to get together with you and take the precious ti

    11. Re:Blackholing this address space may not be wise by nuzak · · Score: 1

      I think everyone who has the capability should start announcing the same netblock via BGP.

      AS32311 SPARTACUS

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    12. Re:Blackholing this address space may not be wise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So don't block it at the router, block it at the mail server. If, some day, viable email doesn't make it through, someone will mention it with a phone call, and it will be fixed. I once got rid of a decent chunk of incoming spam by setting my clients to lose anything with "dsl" in the reverse dns, and didn't lose anything useful. Haven't turned that filter off or looked at it in years, but I can't imagine anything important went to /dev/null.

    13. Re:Blackholing this address space may not be wise by cciechad · · Score: 1

      One of their peers is Cognent Communications. Here is their abuse page if you want to complain. OrgAbusePhone: +1-877-875-4311 OrgAbuseEmail: abuse@cogentco.com

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    14. Re:Blackholing this address space may not be wise by eric2hill · · Score: 1

      You must have been doing things the same day I was.... We're AS32310. :)

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    15. Re:Blackholing this address space may not be wise by swb · · Score: 1

      IIRC all three of those companies are hurting finacially, so they probably just looked the other way because they need the money.

      This is why we NEED a RICO investigation and prosecution of spammers.

      Spam at the level it occurs at cannot exist without the cooperation of above-board entities like banks, ISPs and other "legitimate" businesses.

      A RICO prosecution allows EVERYONE profiting in the larger enterprise to be targeted by $100,000 fines and 10 year minimum prison sentences. When ISP, bank and other execs are going to jail along with spammers for participating in a racketeering conspiracy, the air supply for spammers among legitimate businesses will simply go away.

      This WILL hurt spamming as a business prospect. Will it knock out botnets and every east bloc thug sending spam? Of course not. But it will pinch the bigger operators and make it much, much harder for whoever wants to keep it up to do so.

    16. Re:Blackholing this address space may not be wise by Lost+Race · · Score: 1

      This is what killed ORBS and other services of that type. Easy to add domains / addresses to the blocklist, but difficult to remove them. Eventually the list becomes useless...
      What killed them was their negligence and indifference.

      What killed ORBS was that the people running it got tired of doing it and weren't getting paid. The vast majority of RBLs are volunteer efforts, which only last as long as the volunteers feel like putting in the effort. Fortunately, for every one that dies two more are born to take its place, and most operators seem to be learning from the mistakes of their predecessors.

    17. Re:Blackholing this address space may not be wise by nuzak · · Score: 1

      Actually they're AS32311. Had to come up with something.

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    18. Re:Blackholing this address space may not be wise by webwidejosh · · Score: 1

      Easy to add, difficult to remove:

      Sounds like the no-fly list.

    19. Re:Blackholing this address space may not be wise by nobaloney · · Score: 1

      If you're going to add this address space to your firewall or block it at the router - consider that this rogue outfit is likely to be taken down soon, and that address space may then be assigned to a legitimate operation.

      Great. Then we'll read the new Slashdot article and remove the block.

  12. Spammers know no limits by erroneus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There's only one true solution to the problem of spammers. Death. I'm not joking. These people that create botnets, hijack networks and servers so that they can sell advertising are creating problems on a global scale for money. Nothing but death will stop or deter them. They need to die.

    It's good that I do not own any firearms and good that I do not know where these people live and good that I lack the means to get there. If I had those things and an air-tight alibi, I wouldn't hesitate to make my first murder one of these people.

    1. Re:Spammers know no limits by dfm3 · · Score: 2

      Dude. Back away from the computer, get out of the basement for a little, and maybe step outside for a minute to take a breather. I'm not joking. ;-)

    2. Re:Spammers know no limits by ForumTroll · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't hesitate to make my first murder one of these people.
      First? You plan on murdering other people?
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    3. Re:Spammers know no limits by owlnation · · Score: 1

      Hmmm... I'm not sure modding him flamebait was really fair. He does have a point, all too scarily emphatic about it, but a point nonetheless. He's on that cusp between funny, insightful and flamebait. It's not really flamebait since he's only likely to offend spammers, and I'm not sure we really should care what they think.

      We do definitely treat spammers (and lawyers) with far too much leniency in society. Spammers, direct marketers, viral marketers should all be in prison for a very, very long time. If Wesley Snipes gets 3 years for a misdemeanor, Spammers should get life for sure.

    4. Re:Spammers know no limits by erroneus · · Score: 1

      For years I've been trying to explode their heads with my mind... it hasn't seemed to work yet.

    5. Re:Spammers know no limits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So... Umm... How big a bounty do we need to post before you suddenly decide that those problems are solvable?

    6. Re:Spammers know no limits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude. Back away from the computer, get out of the basement for a little, and maybe step outside for a minute to take a breather. I'm not joking. ;-)


      Neither is he, and neither am I. When a person or small group of people inflict millions upon millions of man hours worth of damage, how long is it before we start tallying up the number of lifetimes they've cost the population at large by inflicting their bullshit?

      I work for a 50k person organization, and I spend ten minutes a day at work clearing out spam and phish that made it through the filters. Some of it looks legit enough at first blush that you can't just summarily shitcan it. Across my organization that's 8300 hours if others have the same issue, or about 50 man-weeks. So getting loose and fast with the numbers, these assholes are costing us a man year every work day. We can do without this and the people causing it. The parasites need to perish.

      I say at eighty man years it should be a mandatory death sentence, preferably by a slow and painful method and shown on the net.
    7. Re:Spammers know no limits by aliquis · · Score: 1

      Probably? I think many people could come up with others they would have wanted to see dead if possible and safe for themself.

    8. Re:Spammers know no limits by aliquis · · Score: 1

      And how long before Paypal decides the money are theirs? :D

    9. Re:Spammers know no limits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hans, is that you?

    10. Re:Spammers know no limits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing but death will stop or deter them. They need to die.

      And what an interesting example it would make for jury nullification.

      Were I on a jury in a case of someone who'd killed a spammer, I'd vote to acquit. No crime was committed. A public service was committed.

      Jury selection process alone could take years. Where the hell are you gonna find 12 people who would ever vote to convict?

    11. Re:Spammers know no limits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If anything, he could start by going after a "marketing" outfit (or is it more than one?) that perpetuates fraudulent credit card billing for non-existant services through the guise of some 2000 or so web based "enterprises". They are the most evil, since they randomly make up credit card numbers to bill. (Or phish them from unsuspecting users, or cookie snatching, or glean the info from side contracts with more legitimate services.) So who knows how many people are paying $9 to $30 on their monthly credit card statements to these leeches. (Considering the people affected who do catch on, and the diffculty involved with stopping the charges - those that don't notice probably add up to millions stolen.) The worst part is that the FTC and credit institutions have done *NOTHING*!

      I wouldn't mind seeing a little vigilante action in regards to stopping actual theft, and if successful there - then perhaps a world tour go to after the merely annoying operations. Maybe he doesn't have to shoot the annoying ones, but roughing them up really bad and telling them to stop (or perhaps making them physically unable to type) wouldn't be so bad an idea.

    12. Re:Spammers know no limits by darkmeridian · · Score: 1

      Sure. Go shoot someone because he's spamming you. Then lets go get the Goatse guy. After that, let's find the mopes creating the pop ups and shit. When we're all done with that, let's shoot the pornographers taking advantage of 18 year old girls. We'll clean up the Internet, one body at a time.

      Or you can go back to playing XBox because we know no one is going to bother with such a crazy idea.

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    13. Re:Spammers know no limits by hasdikarlsam · · Score: 1

      I'm interested. Where do I sign up? ..oh, you mean you were *sarcastic*? Well, that's.. using sarcasm without the appropriate tags, that's one for the kill lists for sure.

  13. "Hijack?" by PhotoGuy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Apparently, the President of Media Breakaway has now admitted to the Washington Post that his company has been occupying and using the 134.17.0.0/16 block and that front company JKS Media, which provides routing to the block, is actually owned by Media Breakaway.

    If he is president of a company that owns the company that provides routing for the block, doesn't that mean he has legal ownership of that block?

    Yes, if the block is used primarily for spam, I'm all for people blackholing the range. And if he's using it for illegal purposes, yes, he should be punished (and the range appropriated). But I don't see where the term "hijacking" could be applied at all.

    If I own some cars and use them in crimes, I haven't "hijacked" anyone.

    What am I missing?
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    1. Re:"Hijack?" by Fluffeh · · Score: 1

      You are missing the fact that his so called "ownership" is in his eyes only, not that of anyone else.

      Just becuase you squat doesn't mean you own.

      Quote:
      Remarkably, the president of Media Breakaway, who happens to be an attorney, is trying to defend his company's apparent snatching of this block based upon his own rather novel legal theory that ARIN doesn't have jurisdiction over any IP address space that was handed out before ARIN was formed, in 1997.

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    2. Re:"Hijack?" by jon787 · · Score: 4, Informative

      That it doesn't belong to the parent company either:

      $ whois 134.17.0.0

      OrgName: SF Bay Packet Radio
      OrgID: SBPR-1
      Address: 1490 W 121st Ave
      Address: Suite 201
      City: Westminster
      StateProv: CO
      PostalCode: 80234
      Country: US

      NetRange: 134.17.0.0 - 134.17.255.255
      CIDR: 134.17.0.0/16
      NetName: BAY-PR-NET
      NetHandle: NET-134-17-0-0-1
      Parent: NET-134-0-0-0-0
      NetType: Direct Assignment
      NameServer: NS1.SFBPRSERVICES.COM
      NameServer: NS2.SFBPRSERVICES.COM
      Comment:
      RegDate: 1989-04-12
      Updated: 2007-10-05

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    3. Re:"Hijack?" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      It more like squatting in a car dealership and stealing the cars to use in crimes. You can "claim" to own it but you don't, but if everybody blacklists it the legitamate owners can't use it either.

    4. Re:"Hijack?" by Kadin2048 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Humm ... San Francisco Packet Radio ... with a Colorado mailing address. Somehow I don't think so.

      It looks like what they did was just register a company with a similar-sounding name to a defunct organization that had an old /16. Then they went to ARIN and got control of it on the strength of the similar name, including getting themselves listed in WHOIS. (Which, when you think about it, isn't that hard -- there's no real authentication mechanism for proving you're the "real" San Francisco Packet Radio.)

      Then they had another front company obtain an AS number and provide routing, and suddenly they have lots of IPs from which to send spam.

      The even-creepier part is that it looks like they have another block stolen through similar means (currently registered to a P.O. box in NYC) and possible connections to Russian spammers, which means basically the Russian mafia.

      Here's hoping that when the whole thing falls apart, the Russian mob comes calling for this guy's head. Ironically they're the best chance for this guy getting the slow, painful death he so richly deserves.

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    5. Re:"Hijack?" by swordgeek · · Score: 1

      "If he is president of a company that owns the company that provides routing for the block, doesn't that mean he has legal ownership of that block?"

      Potentially. However, this is a complete lie on Richter's part. (Surprise! The biggest spam family since Sanford Wallace is lying!)

      I think I should register a company called "Enron LLC." Then I'll come along and take over the office space occupied by the former Enron. THAT'S what Media Breakaway is doing. It's absolute fucking theft.

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    6. Re:"Hijack?" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think I should register a company called "Enron LLC." Then I'll come along and take over the office space occupied by the former Enron. THAT'S what Media Breakaway is doing. It's absolute fucking theft.
      If you can manage it for long enough without Enron catching you, it becomes legally yours through a process called adverse possession, which is not absolute fucking theft.
  14. Ralsky the fucker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Find out where he lives, and sign his ass up for every free catalog on the planet.

    1. Re:Ralsky the fucker by timmarhy · · Score: 1
      it's been done, and ironically he claimed it was harassment.

      pot calling kettle black.

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  15. To read this comment by lisany · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm sorry but to read this comment you must accept the terms of service of my crappy comment. Please click your back button to accept terms of service.

  16. A lack of ethics by mlwmohawk · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I will continue to say it every time I can.

    We need a strong societal repudiation of the violation of ethics. Organizations like Microsoft, SCO, and the like and people like Bill Gates, Darl McBride, etc. need to be made pariahs for the shameless unethical and illegal behavior.

    "Spamming" is unethical. The only reason why it is done is because their unethical behavior is not shunned.

    1. Re:A lack of ethics by spamhostage · · Score: 1

      Help me how the hell do take down a spammer I work for with out them knowing so

    2. Re:A lack of ethics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about other illegal conduct, such as copyright infringement? Is that OK?

    3. Re:A lack of ethics by xdroop · · Score: 1

      You, sir miss the obvious.

      The, ah, "only reason why it is done" is because there's money in it.

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    4. Re:A lack of ethics by Prisoner's+Dilemma · · Score: 1

      Add a bunch of .gov and .mil addresses to the email lists

    5. Re:A lack of ethics by devloop · · Score: 1

      Spamming would continue to occur despite any amount of "shunning". It just generates large amounts of revenue for the spammers. The real solutions are to fix the major screw up SMTP is and in the interim punish spammers with jail time and expropriation to take away spamming's financial incentive. "Social repudiation" of criminal behavior as a solution is both pedantic and laughably innefective.

    6. Re:A lack of ethics by mlwmohawk · · Score: 1

      Spamming would continue to occur despite any amount of "shunning". It just generates large amounts of revenue for the spammers.

      If they were shunned by business, then it could not generate large amounts of revenue. Which is the point of my post.

      Ethics are not considered anymore, people don't even care. We applaud the balls it takes to do the most obviously unethical deeds in public, and not say to the effect: "I can't do business with you, my reputation is too important."

      That is why spam is profitable. That is why OOXML is an ISO standard. And so it goes.

    7. Re:A lack of ethics by swordgeek · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I expect that people will misinterpret what you mean by shun, or maybe I am. However, I agree entirely--if it could be done in a comprehensive way. Imagine if nobody would sell groceries or toilet paper to Bill Gates, because of his behaviour. Rather than being invited as guests to TV shows, the media would all collectively turn their backs on the likes of Darl McBride and Steve Ballmer at press conferences. The Richters shouldn't be able to get power, water, or gas service to their houses or businesses. People wouldn't BUY their products, people wouldn't SELL products to them, people wouldn't INTERACT with them, and people wouldn't ACCEPT them into the community. This would provide some strong incentive to behave ethically. (Both social and financial.)

      Unfortunately, we need to fix humanity (or at least society) before it'll work. Cheap prices, convenience, and lying trump ethics every time. Kurt Vonnegut commented on the psychopathic behaviour of corporate leaders, and in fact being a psychopath is almost a prerequisite to being a CEO. The companies themselves behave psychopathically. Capitalism and ethics are contrary. Worst of all though, is that as a capitalistic society, we encourage and reward this behaviour, by buying cheap and convenient every time.

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    8. Re:A lack of ethics by mlwmohawk · · Score: 1

      I expect that people will misinterpret what you mean by shun, or maybe I am.

      No you understand it correctly, but you are carrying it a bit further than I had originally envisioned. I am liking your take, but mine was simply about paying them for service, i.e. don't buy products or services from unethical vendors.

    9. Re:A lack of ethics by swordgeek · · Score: 1

      Ah, yes. Shun in the sense of boycott. I've got a list of companies that I won't do business with, period. The problem remains though: As long as people are willing to buy the cheapest or the newest or the most convenient, the company that lowers their ethics to make things cheaper, easier, or fancier, will always have enough customers. Boycotts are an individual choice, and don't generally provide any significant pressure on companies. (Which of course doesn't mean that I'm going to stop boycotting Sony. I may not be able to destroy them, but they're still not getting MY money!)

      My interpretation of shunning comes from the Mennonite (and other Anabaptist groups) practice: complete excommunication from a society. "I will not buy your products" is one statement which affects their profits, but "I will not deliver your mail or sell you a cup of coffee" is a social statement.

      But, nice as it would be, I don't have a lot of hope.

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    10. Re:A lack of ethics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately, our country's evolution shows that if you want something to not happen, you don't trust "ethics", but you write laws to define what is acceptable and what is not.

      I agree with you about ethics, but it seems that most of our citizens lack that level of personal integrity. They will stoop to anything they can get away with.

  17. And what is spam? by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

    There must be a line somewhere: this is spam and that is not. Current U.S. law defines it pretty specifically.

    1. Re:And what is spam? by mlwmohawk · · Score: 1

      It is like the definition of PORN. Unfortunately, it is "I know it when I see it."

    2. Re:And what is spam? by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      Ah... but it's not. That was my point. Spam has a narrow legal definition. If they are on the "proper" side of that line then they are "mass mailers", not "spammers".

      I might agree with you that even legal bulk mail is annoying... but if it is that annoying, then we should change the law, yes?

    3. Re:And what is spam? by aliquis · · Score: 1

      Just ban all sorts of advertisment for all I care :)

    4. Re:And what is spam? by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

      The legal definition of "spam", at least on the Federal level, was crafted with help from spammers themselves (oh, I'm sorry, they're "mass marketers" now). Good thing nobody cares: they're still spammers in the eyes of God and the Internet. Those 'mass marketers' using their CAN-SPAM-approved "free shot" on everyone's email address? Spammers. You know it, I know it, the people who write spam filters know it; hell, even the spammers themselves probably know it.

      The fact that the U.S. Congress -- a pretty thoroughly corrupt organization even on its better days (and CAN-SPAM was not a 'better day') -- slapped the rubber-stamp of approval on some behaviors doesn't make them right, or for that matter even acceptable in polite society.

      It's a huge mistake to hand over the definition of "spammer" to a bunch of people who don't have the faintest clue how the Internet even works. They may make the laws, but they don't have one iota of credibility when it comes to talking about what's reprehensible behavior and what's not.

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    5. Re:And what is spam? by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      I think we are pretty much in agreement there.

      Except, perhaps, for the "free shot" thing. I do not think that allowing a company to make a single, one-shot email to your email address is necessarily unreasonable... *IF* it is truly only one email per company, which does not then sell your address to others who do the same thing.

      But even that can be annoying, I grant you. Since I am definitely against bulk commercial snail-mail, I suppose I should also be opposed to bulk commercial email, in any form. So be it.

  18. Set firewalls on shun! by zerofoo · · Score: 2, Funny

    Boy, that was a cheezy joke huh?

    -ted

    1. Re:Set firewalls on shun! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like my jokes like I like my Taco Bell.

  19. Even better. 134.17.0.0/16 /dev/null by Gary+W.+Longsine · · Score: 1

    This is almost as good as asking spammers to Set the Evil Bit, so we can filter them out. If all the spammers sign on for address space in this block, we can just route that block to /dev/null and be done with it. ;-)

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  20. what's the big deal? by ILuvRamen · · Score: 1

    I assume they mean they own 134.17.0.0 through 134.17.0.16, right? What's the big deal? If I owned 16 web servers, I'd have control over a block that size too. Even if they mean it goes up to 134.17.16.255 large web hosts can own that much too. Now if they stole all of 134.anything that'd be bad.

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    1. Re:what's the big deal? by wytcld · · Score: 2, Informative

      Um no. Everyone else knows this. But might as well clue you in. They've claimed 134.17.*.* - all of it.

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    2. Re:what's the big deal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      /16 is the whole network block, for 65-thousand whatever addresses... so 192.168.0.0 /16 is what is appropriated for private use

    3. Re:what's the big deal? by Ron+Bennett · · Score: 1

      No, it means they control 134.17.0.0 to 134.17.255.255 ... NOT 16 addresses, but rather 65,536 addresses. Though still a far cry from them controlling all of 134, since they only have 1/256 slice of it.

      Ron

    4. Re:what's the big deal? by Have+Blue · · Score: 2, Informative

      The "/16" means they claimed the remaining 16 bits of the 32-bit IP address whose first 2 bytes are 134.17 in decimal- everything from 134.17.0.0 to 134.17.255.255. That's one of only 65,000 blocks of its class available and is the sort of range that would be owned by a large corporation or university.

    5. Re:what's the big deal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Good FUCKING grief.

    6. Re:what's the big deal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      get a clue yourself pal, 134.17.0.0/16 IS 134.17.*.*, just no one in networking uses wildcards, we use CIDR notation.

    7. Re:what's the big deal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um no. Everyone else knows this. But might as well clue you in. They've claimed 134.17.*.* - all of it.

      Also known as 134.17.0.0/16. WTF are you talking about?

    8. Re:what's the big deal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The GP thought 134.17.0.0/16 meant "134.17.0.0 to 134.17.0.16", the parent was clarifying what it actually meant. So, WTF are you talking about?

    9. Re:what's the big deal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Er, yes... That's what the parent was explaining to the grandparent... The GP didn't understand the notation, so the P rephrased it for him...

    10. Re:what's the big deal? by pyrr · · Score: 1

      Look up CIDR addressing.

    11. Re:what's the big deal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, right. Let me know as soon as you find the PowerPC processor in your MacBook.

      Or do you just have an older laptop?

  21. who is linking this to the backbone? by timmarhy · · Score: 2, Insightful
    this has a very simple fix. major backbone providers like at&t need to cease routing from providers who allow this kind of misconfiguration of the internet.

    because that's all it is, a mid level isp has added someone to their routing tables with ip's that they have no right to. simply telling their provider to correct their configurations or all their traffic will be dropped should be enough, indeed it should be mandatory for backbone providers to do this in order for them to legally keep their own ip ranges. anything else is asking for people to start claiming ip's all over the place and before you know it each isp will route you to a different site for the same ip, making the internet useless.

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    1. Re:who is linking this to the backbone? by akirchhoff · · Score: 1

      I poked around a little, and it looks like Level3 ,XO and cogent are peering directly with them.

      Probably others as well.

    2. Re:who is linking this to the backbone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      No, in this case the Postal Inspectors need to prosecute for mail fraud. They claimed to be SF packet radio by registering a similar company name and having ARIN re-assign the Block to them. They are not in fact SF packet radio and claiming they were entilted to the SF Packet radio Netblock is fraud. Doing it by the post is mail fraud and the US postal service takes a very dim view of it.

    3. Re:who is linking this to the backbone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From the CIDR report (perspective from Reach network's routers), it looks like they (JKS Media, AS32311) get transit from XO, Level3, and Cogent. They announce 134.17.0.0/16 only through Cogent and XO though. These aren't small time ISPs...
        (http://www.cidr-report.org/cgi-bin/as-report?as=32311&view=2.0)

    4. Re:who is linking this to the backbone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is nearly impossible to do at a Tier 1 ISP. Although they are the "backbone" of the Internet does not make them the police.

  22. Re:Even better. 134.17.0.0/16 /dev/null by just_another_sean · · Score: 1

    This is almost as good as asking spammers to Set the Evil Bit, so we can filter them out. If all the spammers sign on for address space in this block, we can just route that block to /dev/null and be done with it. ;-) Maybe. This would stop the questionable spammers. The ones that send the "opt in" crap that a lot of people fall for on web forms. Heck, some of them even want email like this.

    Somehow I doubt the V14gr4 and P3n15 Enlargmenttt! stuff will go away by filtering these IPs. I may be wrong, but somehow I don't think your average zombie is routing through this space.
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  23. This is good news by CustomDesigned · · Score: 1

    Now I can just add that entry to my IP blacklist...

  24. Interesting problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm just going to analyze this as if it were on my 1L property exam... which I am currently studying for, and is on Thursday.

    The first thing I ask is: Did Media Breakaway acquire interest in the IP space from any predecessor? If Media Breakaway is a bonafide purchaser for value, it will be difficult to challenge their title.

    The second question I ask: How long has Media Breakaway been using the IP space? Adverse possession for IP addresses is certainly a novel theory, but the same public policy reasons that support adverse possession for land apply to IP address space as well. They are both finite (at least, IPv4 space is finite), and there is a public interest in having concrete title. For land, the statutory period for adverse possession in most jurisdictions is twenty years. Due to the fast pace of change on the Internet, a shorter period is surely justified. The period should be at least two years. A period of five years would be very appropriate. Five years would give the true owner plenty of time to notice and end the trespass.

    The real problem here is likely standing. A third party won't have standing to bring a trespass action. The true owner would have to bring any such action.

    A more troubling problem is whether ARIN has standing to sue. ARIN has an interest in all unallocated IP space. This interest includes space that was previously allocated but has since been returned. If ARIN can show that this space was returned, then ARIN will likely have standing. Without such a showing, ARIN would not have standing, as ARIN would not be able to show that any damages had been suffered.

    I hope I get an 'A'. Any law professors on /. that want to grade my submission?

    1. Re:Interesting problem... by mysidia · · Score: 1

      IP addresses are not property. They are numbers you configure your network equipment to use.

      Central registries exist and assure that everyone who respects the registry (the _consensus_) will configure their equipment and define their routing policy around their guaranteed unique numbers, and there will be no conflicts between networks as long as everyone respects the registry.

      The enforcement mechanism against someone attempting to use addresses assigned to another network, is that other providers will not connect to you, or will not route the IP to you (that the registry indicates is assigned to someone else).

      The regional registries indicate which ips have been placed into use -- and to what organization the range is currently assigned: they do not denote ownership of the IPs, and depending on relevant registry policy, assignments may be revoked, renumbered, or re-assigned against the contact's will, under some circumstances.

    2. Re:Interesting problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The enforcement mechanism against someone attempting to use addresses assigned to another network, is that other providers will not connect to you, or will not route the IP to you (that the registry indicates is assigned to someone else).

      Yes, but that someone else doesn't exist any more, and hasn't used those IP addresses in decades.

      Lots of people listen to bgp announcements without validating.

    3. Re:Interesting problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IP addresses are not property.

      Really? They behave much like property. Only one entity can use an IP address at one time. And they can be transferred from one entity to another.

      assignments may be revoked, renumbered, or re-assigned against the contact's will, under some circumstances.

      The relevant question is under *what* circumstances. Real property can also be "re-assigned" under certain circumstances, so that alone will not cause an IP address to not be treated as property.

      Furthermore, courts in common law jurisdictions solve problems by analogizing current problems with past problems courts have already solved. The chances that an IP address wouldn't be analogized with property in some way is virtually nil. It's just how courts work.

  25. IP or IP? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Slashdot is notorious for using "IP" to mean both "Internet Protocol" and "Intellectual Property", so I read the headline as "Spammers Hijacking Intellectual Property Space".

  26. By George he's got something there by JustNiz · · Score: 1

    >>> Breakaway, who happens to be an attorney, is trying to defend his company's apparent snatching of this block based upon his own rather novel legal theory that ARIN doesn't have jurisdiction over any IP address space that was handed out before ARIN was formed, in 1997."

    By George he's right! I'm gonna lay claim to 127.0.0.1. oh wait I already seem to own it...

    1. Re:By George he's got something there by GuruBuckaroo · · Score: 1

      Oh my god. I thought I had wasted 5 minutes reading through the posts on this thread. This made it worth it. Thank you.

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    2. Re:By George he's got something there by oglueck · · Score: 1

      Even cooler. You own the whole 127.0.0.0/8 subnet! That's frikin 16581375 addresses!

  27. I wish it weren't illegal by Associate · · Score: 1

    to set people like this on fire.

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    1. Re:I wish it weren't illegal by Sun.Jedi · · Score: 1

      to set people like this on fire. And shoot them into the sun.
  28. I'm All For It by hardburn · · Score: 1

    If ARIN doesn't control IP addresses assigned before it started, then it basically means a return to classful routing. And then everyone would be pretty much forced to use IPv6.

    I say go for it.

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  29. Here's an idea. Lets start by makeing spam illegal by Prisoner's+Dilemma · · Score: 1

    On a federal and international level. While it doesn't solve the problem entirely. It would at least be a step that could be leveraged in situations like this. Also, make the creating/initiating criminal offensives, so there can be more than just monetary damages.

    The sparse, narrow state level laws that currently exist can only be use in rare cases are not able to be uses on a large scale or frequently.

  30. easily fixed...... by Indy1 · · Score: 2, Funny

    " I felt a great disturbance in the internet, as if 65535 ip addresses suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened. "

    iptables -A spam -s 134.17.0.0/16 -j DROP

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    1. Re:easily fixed...... by evanbd · · Score: 1

      OrgName: SF Bay Packet Radio
      NetRange: 134.17.0.0 - 134.17.255.255
      CIDR: 134.17.0.0/16

      What do you have against the SF Bay Packet Radio?

      Their upstream providers shouldn't be routing it, but you shouldn't blackhole it either...

    2. Re:easily fixed...... by Gazzonyx · · Score: 1

      But, you gave the 65536th ip a free pass? I'll let the off-by-one error slide since I thought that the command for iptables used a lowercase 'a' for the add flag... I alway forget that the first command is uppercase with iptables!

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    3. Re:easily fixed...... by Cervantes · · Score: 1

      " I felt a great disturbance in the internet, as if 65535 ip addresses suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened. "

      iptables -A spam -s 134.17.0.0/16 -j DROP I'm a Windows user, can you tell me where I can get an EXE that will do that? Preferably from some site that shows up on Google, so I know they're legit. Also, I need a new virus scanner thingy, the old one was popping up some stupid message box all the time so I just shut it down.
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    4. Re:easily fixed...... by rduke15 · · Score: 1

      iptables -A spam -s 134.17.0.0/16 -j DROP

      I'm a Windows user, can you tell me where I can get an EXE that will do that?


      You see, the cool thing about Windows is that don't need an iptables.exe.

      Either because your Windows box is not directly connected to the public Internet, or because if it is, it is much too late already for anything other than reformatting it...

      So you really don't need to worry about iptables and all that geeky stuff at all.
  31. F-ing criminal shytering jews. by zymano · · Score: 0, Troll

    They are committing fraud.

    What an idiot fucking judge.

    Call the damn police in their area and have the SHYSTERING bastards arrested.

  32. Re:Here's an idea. Lets start by makeing spam ille by zymano · · Score: 1

    Exactly. All the stupid ideas floated by techocrats wont work. A firewall will work somewhat but you still have to get these guys in your own homeland.

    These guys ARE CRIMINALS. They are committing telephone fraud and this idiot judge just bought their snakewater.

    If my online co. was attacked with this crap I would sue but also contact FBI or local police and arrest these fools.

  33. .gov and .mils by spamhostage · · Score: 1

    wish i could dont have access to the lists

  34. He's only pretending to be a HAM! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Per my reading of TFA, he made a phony company under the name of the real (but apparently defunct) Amateur Radio group that actually owned that IP block once upon a time, then pretended to be them.

    That's what you're missing.

  35. Ummm.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Skylist which was bought by Datran Media controls the whole 69.56.0.0/16 block. They conform to FCC compliant standards for Spam but they're still a spammer. If you sign up on eBay, they're default is to allow 3rd parties to send you email, newsletters, etc. This is even if you change you're profile, you'll still find yourself in many of the databases that Skylist/Datran have clients served up on using their software. I did a test, signed up for eBay, found myself on 5 databases for 3 different companies. Took me many many opt outs to stop receiving emails from them.

  36. Blacklist by f0d0 · · Score: 0

    Just added the following line to /etc/postfix/blacklist:

    134.17 550 You are on our blacklist :)

  37. How much is a /16 worth anyway? by snsh · · Score: 1

    The government entity I work for operates a class B, and we waste IP addresses for all sorts of things. In a couple places, we have entire routable class C subnets being used for both ends of a serial link for a branch office T1. It's so easy to waste IP's when you have 64k of them, and really only need several hundred.

    So what I wonder is, how much are these large IP ranges worth on the open market? I know class A is impossible to come by. Class B you can get by acquiring random organizations like SF radio. About a year ago didn't ARIN start allowing people to buy/sell IP addresses for profit? Before you either had to use them, or release them out of benevolence. I wonder what market value is.

    1. Re:How much is a /16 worth anyway? by kylehase · · Score: 1

      I hear that nowadays if you want more than one static public IP many ISPs will require a document explaining what you plan to do with the IPs. Unfortunately many large blocks were given out before such rules were in place (before NAT was popularized) so owners of these huge blocks like your govt entity have a lot to spare while other's have to jump through hoops to get a few.

      FYI, /16 is the amount of IPs that many accredited Universities were assigned.

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  38. Running out of IP Addresses? by PRMan · · Score: 1

    And what ever happened to the alleged impending crisis of the world running out of IP addresses? If phantom companies, operating out of P.O. boxes, and lacking any real existence whatsoever... except on paper... can get their own /16s and /18s every day of the week, then it's no wonder the world is running out of IP addresses.

    Seriously.

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  39. Re:Here's an idea. Lets start by makeing spam ille by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

    Um, they did that, at least in the U.S. It's a perfect case of the cure being worse than the condition.

    The law Congress passed, called CAN-SPAM Act, was pretty quickly called the "YOU CAN SPAM Act" and for good reason. It has so many loopholes and outright legitimizations of spam that it's basically worse than useless.

    As a bonus, as if greenlighting spam at the Federal level weren't enough, when they passed it they invalidated all the state laws that were tougher on spam, and also prevented any state from passing tougher laws in the future. Nice, eh? I hope the spammers -- oops, I mean direct marketers, because they're legit now -- got their money's worth.

    And that, kids, is what you get for asking for help from the government.

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  40. So I'm bored... by Mutiny32 · · Score: 2, Informative

    The very first evidence I can find of the 134.17.0.0 being reserved is referenced in RFC 1166 to BAY-PR-NET with a contact of a Mr. Milo Medin of NASA Science Internet Program Office (MEDIN@NSIPO.NASA.GOV), who This RFC is obviously outdated (July 1990), but government agencies usually don't give up their IP space. Initial impression is that NASA was/is involved in providing connectivity to the Pacific Rim; in some ways with AX.25. If this is still the case, then the US Government should have a little talk with whoever gave/sold one of their /16 nets to some lady in Colorado who is the CIO for one of the most notorious spammers in the world.

    1. Re:So I'm bored... by Mutiny32 · · Score: 2, Informative

      A little more digging around reveals that NASA reserved this space for use of testing and implementing TCP/IP links over AX.25 (packet radio). This was later part of the NASA Science Internet; which eventually just became part of the Internet. The company name SF Bay Packet Radio, LLC looks to be a bogus company name to make it look to ARIN that it is the original owner of the address space, reserved and documented in RFC 1166 in 1990. Most accurately known as identity theft. It is most likely that NASA Ames and subsequently the US Government still owns the 134.17.0.0/16 address space. I wonder if someone could get in touch Mr. Medin, who is now the founder and CTO of M2Z Networks, Inc of Menlo Park, CA and ask him if he knows much more about this. It is possible that this space has actually been hijacked from NASA Ames Research Center.

    2. Re:So I'm bored... by CrazyKen · · Score: 1
      Great find. To expand on this, it's important to note that the lawyer is trying to defend its company by saying ARIN has no authority over IPs that were allocated before its inception (ARIN was formed in December of 1997). Rather than writing a whole novel, here, I'll simply provide links and quotes from the link.

      While ARINs web site indicates they were formed in December of 1997, IANA indicates that ARIN was delegated the 134/8 subnet in May of 1993.

      IANA is responsible for global coordination the Internet Protocol addressing systems, as well as the Autonomous System Numbers used for routing Internet traffic.

      RFC1466, section 4.2.1, states: Organizations applying for a Class B network number must submit an engineering plan that documents its need for a Class B network number. This document must demonstrate that it is unreasonable to engineer its network with a block of class C network numbers. The engineering plan must include how many hosts the network will have within the next 24 months and how many hosts per subnet within the next 24 months. I really doubt a marketing company could honestly come up with such a plan. In addition to this, RFC1466 has many other guidelines regarding allocation of IP addresses -- too many to mention here.

      This Wired article says that Mr. Medin served at NASA until 1995. As such, policies enforced by the above mentioned RFCs were already in place, regardless of whether ARIN was conceived in 1993 or 1997. There's a good chance that the 134.17/16 network block was most likely still allocated to his research team up until 1995.

      RFC1166, in its Introduction section, states: This Network Working Group Request for Comments documents the currently assigned network numbers and gateway autonomous systems. This RFC will be updated periodically, and in any case current information can be obtained from Hostmaster at the DDN Network Information Center (NIC). It looks like someone has forgotten about this RFC or it's been superseded by another RFC that I'm not aware of, as it has not been updated, as they still think that the IP block is still allocated to BAY-PR-NET. While it may still be allocated to "BAY-PR-NET", it's not the same BAY-PR-NET. There may also be a communication gap between IANA and ARIN, as ARIN is responsible for tracking network block transfers.

      In summary, Trudy's shit is looking pretty weak.

    3. Re:So I'm bored... by Mutiny32 · · Score: 1

      Excellent findings, CrazyKen. I think RFC1166 is still valid, but is superseded by ARIN's authority over delegation of Internet Numbers. RFC1166 basically defines subnetting, but has obsolete information in the list of delegated subnets. There is a newer RFC that handles the definition of Internet protocols and addressing, but doesn't officially oobsolete RFC1166, only builds on and references it. I think this company may be in for Federal charges on theft, impersonation, mail fraud, wire fraud, and a myriad of other federal offenses. They better have damn good evidence of a transaction between them and NASA Ames research center in purchasing a /16 network or otherwise proof of someone else obtaining this block and reselling it to them. Any way they look at it, ARIN DOES have authority over IP address space, whether it was allocated before its inception or not.

  41. Re: IP filters out, content filters to the rescue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've listened to your presentation and your message is essentially this: you shouldn't use IP based spam filtering because that will encourage spammers to exploit flaws in the border gateway protocol, therefore you should use content filtering.

    There are several problems with that thesis.

    One way to reduce spam works too well, causing spammers to get around it, so use another method so spammers will be nicer to us? Fuck that.

    Content filtering doesn't work well. Everyone who has seen his legitimate mail filtered away knows this, as does everyone who receives spam despite filters being in place. As the filtering arms race progresses it will become harder and harder to seperate spam from legitimate mail, resulting in more processing power used and more false negatives and false positives. In the end only something with a near-human intelligence would be able to tell the difference, but it would be unethical to employ such a system for obvious reasons.

    If there are security holes in the border gateway protocol, people will try to exploit those. Trying to give nefarious people less incentive to do so will not stop it from happening, since some incentive will remain. The only real solution to security holes is plugging them.

    Trying to convince people to stop IP based filtering ("giving nefarious people less incentive" from above) will be mightily difficult, since in a world where no one uses IP based filtering, any individual, ISP or other institution that does employ it will have an advantage.

    Stopping IP based filtering not only doesn't remove all incentive for doing IP spoofing and such for nefarious people in general, it doesn't even remove all incentive from spammers. Spamming is illegal in many jurisdictions, so for spammers any technique that makes you harder to find will be useful.

    As for this specific case, the address block is owned by the spammers, it isn't owned by some legitimate user and taken over, so there is no reason at all not to filter the block entirely. Nothing useful will ever originate from that block, only spam, and you know that and therefore you block it. There is simply no reason to process packets originating from that block. Saying otherwise is equivalent to saying "people should receive more spam". If ever this block returns to a bona fide user, the block can be lifted of course. Filtering the block decreases its value for the spammers, which is a good thing. It might even give them some incentive to get rid of it.

    Also, there is an analogy to a security hole in an application that doesn't get fixed by the vendor for a long time, allowing people to look at your personal documents... until someone with too much time on his hands uses it to lock up all affected computers and the vendor fixes it. I'm not entirely sure that pushing spammers to advertise bogus IP addresses is a bad thing, because others can abuse the border gateway protocol too and it looks like it won't get fixed until it becomes a widespread, big problem. The spammers may actually be useful cannonfodder.

    I'm not saying that IP based filters will rid us from spam, but content filters won't either. And IP based filters won't ever go away completely because it provides an advantage to people who use it over people who don't. Your argument against IP based filtering is not very solid and that is a problem, because for your scheme to work, you need to convince everyone. Every ISP, university, individual and institution. And of course you need to hope spammers won't see other reasons to spoof IP addresses. So IP based filters are here to stay, at least for the near future, until some magic obsolesces it.

  42. Isn't this (cough) terrorism? by Fallen+Andy · · Score: 1
    So of what use exactly is the US Dept. of Homeland Security? This really *is* terrorism in the sense that it hits at the principles on which the internet infrastructure works...

    Andy

    1. Re:Isn't this (cough) terrorism? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Terrorism is political coersion through the use of violence or the threat of violence. This is not.

  43. Here's some interesting info on the netblock by ZZ-Type · · Score: 1

    whois.arin.net OrgName: SF Bay Packet Radio OrgID: SBPR-1 Address: 1490 W 121st Ave Address: Suite 201 City: Westminster StateProv: CO PostalCode: 80234 Country: US NetRange: 134.17.0.0 - 134.17.255.255 CIDR: 134.17.0.0/16 NetName: BAY-PR-NET NetHandle: NET-134-17-0-0-1 Parent: NET-134-0-0-0-0 NetType: Direct Assignment NameServer: NS1.SFBPRSERVICES.COM NameServer: NS2.SFBPRSERVICES.COM Comment: RegDate: 1989-04-12 Updated: 2007-10-05 RAbuseHandle: CMO79-ARIN RAbuseName: Montgomery, Chad RAbusePhone: 303-464-8164 RAbuseEmail: cmontgomery@sfbaypr.com RNOCHandle: CMO79-ARIN RNOCName: Montgomery, Chad RNOCPhone: 303-464-8164 RNOCEmail: cmontgomery@sfbaypr.com RTechHandle: CMO79-ARIN RTechName: Montgomery, Chad RTechPhone: 303-464-8164 RTechEmail: cmontgomery@sfbaypr.com OrgAbuseHandle: ABUSE1861-ARIN OrgAbuseName: abuse OrgAbusePhone: +1-303-464-8164 OrgAbuseEmail: abuse@sfbaypr.com OrgTechHandle: CMO79-ARIN OrgTechName: Montgomery, Chad OrgTechPhone: 303-464-8164 OrgTechEmail: cmontgomery@sfbaypr.com # ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2008-04-29 19:10 # Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.

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  44. What the heck? by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1
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  45. Re: IP filters out, content filters to the rescue by 19thNervousBreakdown · · Score: 1

    Content filtering doesn't work well. Everyone who has seen his legitimate mail filtered away knows this, as does everyone who receives spam despite filters being in place. As the filtering arms race progresses it will become harder and harder to seperate spam from legitimate mail, resulting in more processing power used and more false negatives and false positives. In the end only something with a near-human intelligence would be able to tell the difference, but it would be unethical to employ such a system for obvious reasons.

    BAM! fucking crazy outta nowhere!

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  46. ROKSO by oglueck · · Score: 1

    Just add them to the ROKSO list and most ISPs won't route their traffic any more. Additionally this could be listed in the bogon zone at completewhois.

    1. Re:ROKSO by shentino · · Score: 1

      What about DROP?

    2. Re:ROKSO by oglueck · · Score: 1

      Yes, that's the actual list of networks that I was referring to erronousl by the term ROKSO. Cheers.

  47. death penalty by Tom · · Score: 1

    I stand by my opinion that we should kill spammers.

    We, as a society, accept way too many crimes against us, the society. Crimes against individuals are punished much harsher. Crimes against virtual entities (corporations, money, information) even more so.

    Doesn't anyone else think we have this kind of backwards?

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    1. Re:death penalty by swordgeek · · Score: 1

      I'm not a believer in the death penalty. Some people don't deserve to live, but I don't believe that we have any right to take it from them.

      That said, I'm also a practical person. The only way that spam will stop is by the consistent and repeated use of lethal force. The Richters and everyone closely associated with them should be shot by a firing squad. The CIA should quit screwing around trying to start wars in third-world countries, and put their efforts to slaughtering the Russian crimelords who are backing most of the world's spam. A trail of 200 bodies widely publicised would reduce the appeal of spamming, and swift death to anyone newly involved would eventually stop all but the most insane.

      On a larger scale, you're right--crimes against society aren't even recognised as crimes for the most part, and that's an absolute tragedy. Something needs fixing.

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      "People who do stupid things with hazardous materials often die." -- Jim Davidson on alt.folklore.urban
    2. Re:death penalty by BattyMan · · Score: 1

      The only way that spam will stop is by the consistent and repeated use of lethal force. The Richters and everyone closely associated with them should be shot by a firing squad.

      Nah, That's waay to soft. We're talking about Scott Richter here.

      I once saw in a move where several victims were tied out to poles on a beach infested with little tiny crabs. Come sundown, all the crabs come out of the water to feed. The screams generated therby were supposed to be blood-curdling. Unfortunately these particular victims were the good guys, so they were rescued before nightfall, so we didn't get to find out about the screams, but the idea stands nonetheless.

      Or, they could be simply staked out naked over an anthill with honey poured over their genitalia. That would be good, if perhaps somewhat old-fashioned.

      My personal favorite is keelhauling, but not in the old pirate tradition under a sailing ship. Screw that. Keelhauling of Richter et al should be underneath a water-skiing towboat or other skiff with a small, fast-spinning propeller, reducing them to, well, spam.
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  48. Ok, that's it. by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

    These guys are going in "The Book*."




    *The Book contains entries of people that when the Geek Nation comes to power, will be the first ones up against the wall. Being entered into The Book usually requires committing offenses of a particularly egregious or massively annoying nature against common folk.

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    1. Re:Ok, that's it. by swordgeek · · Score: 1

      They're already there. In fact, they're probably the entire second chapter.
      This is Scott Richter and co., all over again--criminals who should be publicly hanged.

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      "People who do stupid things with hazardous materials often die." -- Jim Davidson on alt.folklore.urban
  49. Re: IP filters out, content filters to the rescue by just_another_sean · · Score: 1

    Content filtering doesn't work well. Everyone who has seen his legitimate mail filtered away knows this, as does everyone who receives spam despite filters being in place. As the filtering arms race progresses it will become harder and harder to seperate spam from legitimate mail, resulting in more processing power used and more false negatives and false positives. In the end only something with a near-human intelligence would be able to tell the difference, but it would be unethical to employ such a system for obvious reasons.


    BAM! fucking crazy outta nowhere!

    I think what he is saying is that a system with enough intelligence to filter mail would also be intelligent enough to understand mail. It could be used to look for more then spam, you know, like terrorist talk or political speech.
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  50. Re: IP filters out, content filters to the rescue by 19thNervousBreakdown · · Score: 1

    I prefer the crazy explanation. Stop raining on my parade.

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  51. Hijacking the IP Space Owners, not just the Space by billstewart · · Score: 2, Informative
    As much as I dislike Scotty Richter and his tactics, you can't say he isn't a clever bastard.


    The rules for managing pre-ARIN space aren't totally clear, but nobody's worried about them too much because they were mostly owned by large reputable organizations, such as universities and government contractors. (Some of them may need to set the Evil Bit on their packets, but none of them needed to set the Stupid Bit.) In many cases, they've given most of their space back to IANA or ARIN - several universities have returned their Class A /8 space in return for smaller allocations. Also, IANA predates ARIN - while I've got real problems with ICANN's appropriation of Jon Postel's Ghost, and they've delegated most of the policy-making to ARIN, RIPE, APNIC, etc., they're still somewhat in charge.


    But there have been a few early-adopters that are no longer in business - and in some cases their IP address space was worth more than their remaining furniture and intellectual property. Does the space revert to IANA if the organization is gone? Probably, but if you can pretend the organization is Not Dead Yet, you might get away with keeping their space. In some cases, you can do that more legitimately than in other cases. (A friend of a friend was the former sysadmin from a defunct early-adopter company that had had a Class B /16 address block, which by the mid-Internet-boom was probably worth $100K. Unfortunately, his ownership of it was dubious enough that he never felt that he could legitimately sell it, and unlike Scotty's newly acquired block of space, it didn't have a corporate shell wrapped around it that he could sell either.)


    OptInRealBig and their corporate-shell sock puppets have owned large IP spaces before. It's been a while, so I may have details wrong; if I remember correctly, one of the sock puppets was a "web hosting" company, with lots of "customers", and if one of those "customers" got caught spamming, then they'd get spanked for violating the AUP ("Bad! Bad customer!") - and there was enough IP space that they could keep playing this game for a long time.

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  52. Knowing when the Spam Block is Gone by billstewart · · Score: 1
    In fact it's a hard problem if you want 100% coverage. Scotty used to own a large block of space, either through OptInRealBig or one of his other corporate sock puppets, and after that got killed off by anti-spam lawsuits, it took a while before anybody who had that space again was really safe in using it, at least for email.


    On the other hand, most people get their IP blocking information from a few large spam-blocker lists, and if those lists can be convinced to remove the block, and the DNS entries for the spammers get cleared out, and if the dozen or so big email services can be convinced to remove it, then it's at least mostly reliable.

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    Bill Stewart
    New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
  53. Denied. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hermes(config)# access-list outside_access_in deny ip 134.17.0.0 255.255.0.0 any
    hermes(config)# write mem
    Building configuration...
    Cryptochecksum: 792ebde4 b39ba5be d0614fdc 9373b74f
    [OK]
    hermes(config)#

    Problem solved here.

  54. Do you own your telephone number? by JSBiff · · Score: 1

    I don't know the answer, just posing the question, do you own your telephone number? I would suggest that the closest analog for IP addresses is not land, but telephone numbers. I do not believe telephone numbers are exactly treated as property (though, in certain cases, you have some rights to keep a phone number when changing providers, but I'm not sure they are still treated quite like property)?

  55. Is this Fraud? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    It really looks like fraud to me. They used deception for material gain. The wikipedia entry for fraud reads in part,

    In criminal law, fraud is the crime or offense of deliberately deceiving another in order to damage them â" usually, to obtain property or services unjustly. [1] Fraud can be accomplished through the aid of forged objects. In the criminal law of common law jurisdictions it may be called "theft by deception," "larceny by trick," "larceny by fraud and deception" or something similar.
  56. but... by roc97007 · · Score: 1

    Seems like this makes it easier to block them. Build a rule "no connections on port 25 from 134.17.X.X". In fact, I think I'm going to set that up this afternoon.

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    Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
  57. Re: F-ing criminal shytering jews. by shentino · · Score: 1

    A pity you had to turn an insightful into a troll by including racial slurs.

  58. Wait .... we know who this guy is ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And he's still alive???

  59. I have a novel legal theory of my own.... by BattyMan · · Score: 1

    1. Traceroute into somewhere within this address space.
    2. Null route not only 134.17.0.0/16, but whatever outfit(s) are connecting it. Block incoming shite from both as well.
    3. ByeBye OptInRealBig, & Snotty Scotty Richter (at least for today).
    4. Profit? We all profit from disconnection of this career spammer.

    And don't worry about collateral damage. Richter will find some other way to send out his crap, and we'll eventually be able to return this net to its rightful owner (who should already be bringing criminal charges against these hijackers). The upline should remain a black hole, forever, or at least until it changes ownership.

    Alas, I'm afraid the only thing that will truly stop Snotty Scotty is a lynchmob which, in his case, is long long overdue.

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  60. Re: IP filters out, content filters to the rescue by just_another_sean · · Score: 1

    Oh, cool. Sorry then. :-)

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  61. Jury selection for spammer murder by CustomDesigned · · Score: 1

    Jury selection process alone could take years. Where the hell are you gonna find 12 people who would ever vote to convict?


    Wherever the people live who buy the spammer's products.

  62. Nah. This is Richter. He's in a class by himself by BattyMan · · Score: 1

    ...need to perish. ...mandatory death sentence, preferably by a slow and painful method and shown on the net.

    That might be good enough for an _ordinary_ career spammer.
    But we're talking about Snotty Scotty Richter, here.
    He deserves something special .
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  63. Been there, done that. by Koutarou · · Score: 0

    I've rescued a hijacked /16 a while back, cleaned it up and now have it as a souvenir (with the blessing of the original owner who is not using it globally). Fortunately the spammer who grabbed it wasn't very smart about it (contact info changed to obviously non-japanese info and the block was allocated through JPNIC).

    Had to engage in a bit of a BGP war (deaggregated the block and announced it as 4 seperate /18s) but eventually got AT&T (AS7018), who the spammer had gotten to illegally announce the block, got the message and stopped.

    One thing you always have to do is ALWAYS announce every block you have control over, even if you are not using it. There's a highly technical term for an unannounced block: TARGET.

    For historical IP hijacking info, see completewhois.com (IP hijacking is by no means a new thing)

  64. How to kill a spammer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The key to properly murdering a spammer is to make sure you employ the correct amount of poetic justice.

    I suggest you start by re-activating my original email account from "back in the day" that I had to turn off because the spam to legit ratio has exceeded the number of photons emitted by a typical 60W bulb during the same time period.

    Next you create a script that checks for new spam every few seconds and applies 1 volt of electricity through the spammer for each spam received during that period.

    The beauty of this method is that he may survive with merely excruciating pain for days before the law of averages catches up to him and gives him a few thousand volts, presumably finishing him off.

    1. Re:How to kill a spammer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I prefer putting him in a room and dropping grains of sand on him... one grain for every spam he has sent.

  65. Man, three spelling errors in one post by BattyMan · · Score: 1

    Time to get back to work, I guess...

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  66. Hit back with this simple rule ... by sparkeyjames · · Score: 1

    iptables -A INPUT -s 134.17.0.0/16 -j DROP

    all gone.

  67. Re: IP filters out, content filters to the rescue by Mark+Bainter · · Score: 1

    Actually, if I had to guess, I'd say he was referring to the philosophical questions surrounding real AI.

    However, I too would be inclined to go with the crazy, given that he has clearly not implemented a quality content filter - or at least has not done so correctly.

    I run a content filter (bogofilter) in several very different environments. One in front of several personal email boxes, which I've never yet had a valid mail get filtered by, and I get high 99% filtering accuracy.

    I have a dspam filter in another environment with a few people which has even more accuracy, but is tuned specifically by user, instead of covering multiple users.

    My favorite handles around 7k messages per day, and about 20% of the email is users /reporting/ spam and phishing and other fraudulent emails they have received, and it can tell the difference between a user reporting it, and the actual spam itself. Further, this filter handles this in 17 different languages - including languages like japanese and chinese.

    Content filtering works great - people are just too lazy to do the work it requires to configure it properly, and worse - to maintain it.

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  68. Re: IP filters out, content filters to the rescue by Emrys · · Score: 1

    I've listened to your presentation and your message is essentially this: you shouldn't use IP based spam filtering because that will encourage spammers to exploit flaws in the border gateway protocol, therefore you should use content filtering.

    There are several problems with that thesis. There are indeed several problems with that thesis, but that's not the one he's presented; it's a strawman.

    The thesis is rather:

    1. Content filters work, and no one has yet demonstrated they can be seriously subverted when correctly applied.

    2. Delivery-based countermeasures do not work, and only promote an arms race that will only end when airlines chain passengers naked to their seats. Er, sorry, I mixed two up there. Whatever.

    Content filtering doesn't work well. Prove it. No, really, please do.

    Everyone who has seen his legitimate mail filtered away knows this, as does everyone who receives spam despite filters being in place. And yet not one of them is able to publish on this failure that withstands any kind of peer review? Really?

    As the filtering arms race progresses it will become harder and harder to seperate spam from legitimate mail, resulting in more processing power used and more false negatives and false positives. I don't know what reality you live in but they been attempting "progress" the filtering arms race for years now. They haven't made any progress. We're still using the same tools first inspired by Graham and others and they still adapt and filter just as well.
  69. Updating firewall rules. by MicklePickle · · Score: 1

    Thanks for the heads up.

    % /sbin/iptables -t filter -A EXTIN -s ! 134.17.0.0/16 -j DROP

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    -- main(s){printf(s="main(s){printf(s=%c%s%c,34,s,34) ;}",34,s,34);} $p='$p=%c%s%
  70. Instead of Blackholing the IP Addresses... by Puffy+Director+Pants · · Score: 1

    Let's Blackhole the Spammers. Seriously, I'm not one for the death penalty in most cases, but I'm willing to consider the gruesome torture of being crushed in an awesome surge of gravitational force acceptable in the case of Spammers. Come on, it'll be much more satisfying.

  71. How come this things happen only in ARIN area ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In Europe this is not possible. For ages RIPE has a very nice and usefully database:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIPE
    http://www.ripe.net/db/routing-registry.html

    Is probably the time for ARIN to implement a Routing Registry.

    1. Re:How come this things happen only in ARIN area ? by Thundersnatch · · Score: 1

      Quite a lot of spam originates in Europe, with 4 of the top 10 spam sources being Euorpean. RIPE's system is hardly foolproof!

  72. Re: by clint999 · · Score: 0

    Content filtering doesn't work well. Everyone who has seen his legitimate mail filtered away knows this, as does everyone who receives spam despite filters being in place. As the filtering arms race progresses it will become harder and harder to seperate spam from legitimate mail, resulting in more processing power used and more false negatives and false positives. In the end only something with a near-human intelligence would be able to tell the difference, but it would be unethical to employ such a system for obvious reasons.

  73. Re:Even better. 134.17.0.0/16 /dev/null by nobaloney · · Score: 1

    we can just route that block to /dev/null and be done with it. ;-)

    Based on some testing this morning, Spamhaus may have added the entire block to their lists. We've added it to our blocklists. We're recommending our clients do the same.

  74. Re:Here's an idea. Lets start by makeing spam ille by nobaloney · · Score: 1

    Sure. Just like guns. Then criminals won't be able to get them.