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The Handwriting of Type Designers
jamie found this blog post wherein an Australian Web technologist, Cameron Adams, wondered whether the handwriting of his favorite type designers encoded some sort of influence on their designs. So he wrote to them and asked for a sample. The result will make you slow down and appreciate the beauty and the aesthetics of type. Or else it won't.
I'm always criticized for my sloppy handwriting, and it's refreshing to see that the experts in the field of readable, beautiful type can be just as "lazy" or sloppy as me.
The only one of those whose writing resembles one of their fonts is Mark Simonson with his "felt tip roman" font.
The last two in TFA do have rather spiffy handwriting, though.
All caps block lettering FTW!
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That would be an interesting poll:
How many words per day do you write with "pen and paper"? ...) ...)
o) 0
o) 1-5 (passwords on post-it)
o) 6-20 (milk, breat, ramen, condoms, beer,
o) 21-200 (still in school, you insensitive
o) >200 (i do it for a living!)
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The author of that article neglected to mention that the creators of Arial, having devised a font so perfect they chopped their own hands off because they knew their work could never be surpassed.
Not really, think of it this way, if you are going to be making letters that will be reproduced thousands and millions of times, you are going to try to make each one look the best, if you are writing a card, it doesn't really matter as long as it is somewhat readable.
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a similar article with comic book letterers.
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I've always wished my handwriting didn't suck so hard. Now I feel even worse. Thanks, Slashdot!
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FTA, it's clear that even a chicken can create good fonts.
Perhaps the writer should have wondered whether the designs of his favorite type designers 'encoded' some sort of influence on their handwriting. Clearly, they do not.
the handwriting of the creators of Wingdings.
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that there are so many people who are renowned for creating text... and that someone would have a "favorite." Incredible.
I disagree. I found their writing really beautiful. Handwriting in the end, isn't different from drawing (nor drawing is much different from handwriting) so you have to look at them artistically and study their lines, shapes and relationships like you would do with a free hand sketch. Apart from revealing their personality (as for any of us), handwriting is the best proof that everyone has an artist inside of us. And an art critic, as well. :)
That's true, of course, but I would think that people who do this type of thing would have excellent handwriting (and some of them do), just as I'd expect a graphic artist to be able to draw freehand. Then again, someone might be more comfortable with a tablet and Gimp than pen and paper; the same principle could be at work here. Ah, well, just another preconceived notion shot partially to hell.
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>Anyone else notice that the typographers who either reside in the US or have resided in the US their writing is much more legible?
I did... the rest are writing in their second or third language. How's your penmanship in your second language?
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It's the same as my first language, seeing as how they're the same alphabet...
For some of them it's obvious why they became typographers. No one was able to decipher their handwriting, so they just had to come up with an alternative...
so, what's the difference between ledgible and artistic? Not all of the typefaces we use are necessarily ledgible. At first I thought the first sample was pretty bad, but after looking at it, I noticed that his lettering was consistent. Whether I thought it was appealing or not does not matter. I have in the past worked on my signature, simply to make it stand out a bit and more distinct. Point? The point is, I can't pen my name with the consistency that Erik Spiekerman spells "handwriting". He has found what works best for him and applies it *every* time he writes, me I still can't decide how big of a loop to make for the letter "e".
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There are some interesting correlations there, comparing relative x-height and the feel of the typography from person to person. I'm not a professional typographer, but I teach basic typography units as part of computer graphics courses.
I'm guessing a pro typographer could easily see correlation among the examples. Designer-types often express in their handwriting what they desire their overall "vibe" to be. Since typography is abused so much, and there are so many edge cases to look after, it's only natural that the fonts that result look more stilted and less artsy than the handwriting that may have inspired them.
Related principle: Design students learn very early on not to set large bodies of type with decorative fonts.
The native alphabet of every typographer on that page uses roman letters. There is no difference between their written language and our written language except spelling, accent marks, and perhaps a few ligatures.
No, in fact I thought the Croatian had the most amazing handwriting, that was so legible and actually looked like a font itself.
I fail to see how the quality of one's handwriting is important. The point of day-to-day writing is to write something down that is legible, and can be easily re-assimilated when necessary.
People who spend more than 1/4 of a second per letter aren't handwriting; they're either being artistic, or trying to boost pride through snobbery. I can "handwrite" much nicer than my everyday writing, but why would I waste 3 minutes writing a single sentence just to make sure each letter is curved?
While I only studied German for 4 years in high-school, it was pretty much the same considering the alphabets are mostly identical.
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It strikes me that English is likely not the first language of many of these typographers, yet all but one provided their sample written in English. I wonder if that unintentionally skewed the samples for the better?
It's been nearly a decade since I've put pen[cil] to paper in another language, but I know that when I was writing French in high school, I did much better at penmanship than when I was taking notes in class or doing other day-to-day writing. It wasn't so much a conscious effort at making my handwriting look better, as it was the natural delay in writing something down slowly as I translated it in my head. I imagine it's a similar principle to forging a signature; you're being very deliberate about what you write, so it tends to come out looking cleaner.
That said, Erik and Dino have really cool handwriting. My own daily jottings typically resemble Goran's - and that's writing in my native language! I could probably qualify to be a doctor based upon my handwriting alone; guess it's a good thing that I type well.
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2. I will not scream "Beam me up, Scotty!" in class.
3. I will not program on my abacus in class.
4. I will not hack administration's punch cards to improve my grades in class.
5. I will not debate 86-DOS vs Mac 128k in class.
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7. I will not read slashdot in class.
Sincerely yours,
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Sigh!
Typography != Calligraphy
Nice signature by the way. You don't see enough MM references in this day in age.
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25 years old and I use fountain pens. I bet I am in the minority here by a lot. The contradictions that are computer scientists.
My penmanship in my second language (English) is actually way better than my first language (Chinese).
Where is Donald's hand writing? How can /. 'ers read this without thinking about Computer Graphic Modern, TeX and metafont?
Certainly nobody has given the concentrated study, and thought to computer typography as Donald E. Knuth.
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The result will make you slow down and appreciate the beauty and the aesthetics of type. Or else it won't.
Ah, you can't go wrong with a tautology. Unless you can.
Sorry but you have misspelled "corel painter". :)
No notion disbarred... You said it yourself. "Draw freehand." I think we, as a hole, conceptualize artists as always drawing while that is not true. I'm not a GREAT artist but I've managed to get a couple of things to get compliments from real artists. When I *WRITE* something you would not be able to read it easily - I was a journalist for a couple of years in college and didn't know shorthand - and I'm often told I should have been a doctor when people see my signature or handwriting. At the same time, because my school offered it, I'm quite decent in a few styles of calligraphy. Even when I try to WRITE neatly I don't often pass the muster. Drawing !== writing.
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These are the handwriting samples that I like most. For some reason, both of these individuals write their "d" in a single upward sweeping loop, without the subsequent vertical downward stroke--although Dino seems to do this only for the terminal "d."
Erik's sample is interesting to me because of the unconventional ampersand, and how it is clear that he writes the stem of his "i" before dotting it (I do the reverse when I print, which is my regular script, as opposed to writing in full cursive, which I rarely do).
Sebastian's handwriting is vaguely reminiscent of graffiti artists. I like it, in particular, I like the shape of the "a" and the overall crowded, upright feel.
Eduardo's sample makes me think he's either playing a joke, or he's 7 years old. The apostrophe is absolutely bizarre--it is not so much written as it is drawn.
Marian's "crazy backhand" is actually my favorite among her three styles of handwriting, but what is more curious is that she even *has* three clearly distinct styles of script.
Kris's handwriting looks remarkably--in fact, uncannily--similar to the handwriting of my ex-boyfriend, who is German. I wonder if he studied in Germany.
Finally, Dino's sample is really quite beautiful--it has distinctive touches (the "D", "s", and "g" in particular), is calligraphic, and exudes elegance.
The other samples I found mostly unremarkable. Sorry. There are some shared themes between each designer's handwriting and their typefaces, but I think the comparison is tenuous as well as retrospective. If one did not know in advance which writing sample belonged to which typographer, it would not have been at all obvious how to match them up.
Features an apostrophe that's pretty freaking huge!
http://www.themaninblue.com/articles/handwritten_typographers/images/handwriting_eduardo_thumb.jpg
I'm very surprised that Ray Larabie (of Larabie Fonts fame) is not on the list. He's been the most productive font designer in the "modern internet era" (1997-today).
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While a lot of typefaces are decorative, intended for use in logos and advertising, part of the function of everyday typefaces is to be able to be read quickly, and shapes and spacing of characters have a big influence over that.
You have no idea what you're talking about. As evidenced by your reference to "creative use of whitespace" and "web sidebars" (?!). Those things have exactly nothing to do with typography, they're hallmarks of the sorts of wankers who have "Web Designer" on their business cards. Actual good typography is very difficult to execute and ultimately invisible. No, you don't simply want the "maximum amount of words on a page," because that would be utterly fucking illegible. Packing those words in to a compact yet legible form is where the unappreciated artistry of typography does its invisible thing. Those pages of miniscule stock quotes in the newspaper? Why you can read them without going blind? That's because of typography.
More importantly, is handwriting even that relevant any more? Yes, they still teach "good" handwriting in schools but it's rarely about legibility as much as it is "follow these rules". I was taught to do a stupid "tidal wave" shape lower-case, joined-up "s" when I was at school and I was very pleased when they STOPPED that rubbish and just let me hand-write how I needed to. Their way took me several seconds per character, no matter how much I practiced, my way took me several characters per second and was always and still is clearly an "s" to everyone who reads it. And even my rapid-scrawl isn't anywhere near quick enough to get ideas down in time for my brain to move on to the next thing. Typing isn't perfect, but is much, much closer to my natural "thinking speed" when it comes to writing out letters. As it is, I can still type and spell/grammar check the previous paragraph without having to interrupt the flow of writing.
From working in schools, I know that the majority of handwriting is done to a school-specific style (so it's not even that we've "standardised" handwriting across schools). Handwriting-aid software typically has dialogs of configuration options because school X wants the lower case A to look like this, school Y wants it to look like that etc. And what happens when people stop "teaching" handwriting? The kids revert to their own, individual, perfectly-legible style that's much more comfortable to them. So why do we waste the time?
My mother, when I was much younger, had her first argument with the school about my handwriting. My teacher was trying to imply that I was stupid because I couldn't hand-write as neatly as the other kids, until my mother pointed out that it was because, at home, I was taught "It doesn't matter what it looks like, so long as someone else can read it." Making me sit in school at lunchtime copying hundreds of hand-written characters was a waste of time, because I was doing joined-up writing while the other kids were still on the "trace an A, then trace an N, then trace a D" phase of writing. What the school wanted was for me to join the rest of the class, having already "gone past" them. And to do it in a writing style that, trying to copy as an adult, is extremely uncomfortable and unnecessary.
Additionally, I've witnessed the slow but undeniable emphasis on computer use rather than handwriting in schools. Some of the "beacon" schools don't even use pen and paper at all any more, everything is laptops and PC's. It's still got a way to go before it's universal but kids now learn QWERTY at the same time as they learn to write. Give it another decade of two and hand-writing will become one of those ancient arts only practiced by people who bother to study it.
And in the end, that's a good thing. It's a nice skill to be able to handwrite in a legible way, but that's as far as it goes. In my own life, I handwrite about once a week or less, usually on Post-It's, or scraps of paper to sketch out ideas. 99% of the time, I'm the only person who needs to read them. Give me a Palm touchscreen that can print on Post-It's and I'd do away even with that little. Handwriting "neatly" is a waste of time, as is teaching handwriting by rote. Get the kids to the point where they can write any word and the majority of people can read it back instantly, then you're done.
Roll on the days where handwriting is a niche skill that you'll do adult-college courses in on a Sunday afternoon, and the only time you'll ever use it is to send a letter to a woman to impress her with some old fashioned romantic verse.
so, what's the difference between ledgible and artistic?
One of them is a word.
Isn't that the truth. Case in point, I'm in the middle of reading Anansi Boys at the moment. If the person who typeset the book happens to be a Slashdot reader, I'd love to... um... show my appreciation for the font they chose.
*cracks knuckles*
I've just realised (I'm getting slow!) that my lad "wrote" his first words yesterday.
He typed his name (with help finding a couple of keys) then he wrote "Dad" and "Mum" (I pressed shift but didn't otherwise interfere).
He's nowhere near producing tight/defined letter forms yet as he's only just 3 this month.
Perhaps I should switch him to Dvorak before it's too late?
As an artist, I think the two are virtually unconnected, drawing skill and writing skills seem to come from a different part of my brain (I wonder if there are any studies on this). If I slow right down I can write in beautiful fonts, because I am essentially drawing the letters, but my normal handwriting is so bad even I can't read it.
...nothing more than a huge ad for selling fonts?
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No James "Kibo" Parry in there? WTF. Did he retire or something?
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I'm too lazy to Google the whys and wherefores, so can someone explain to me why, when talking about fonts, the word 'foundry' is used? I'm presuming it has something to do with the original way of making fonts which involved pouring metal to make each letter.
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I always got a U or an S- in penmanship in grade school, mostly because my handwriting is TERRIBLE. Then again, I started using a TRS-80 Model I for everything in 1980 at the ripe old age of 5 (including learning the BASIC programming language), so I didn't have much use for pens and pencils after that.
I still attach no importance to having readable handwriting.
You can see a sample of his handwriting in an interview he did with Free Software Magazine in 2005: http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/interview_knuth
The "or else it won't" that ends the summary really bugged me. If you're going to urge people to look at something, you should at least stand by your premise for more than a sentence! Or don't.
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I've learned that to calligraph well (at least before you've absorbed it better than I have? ;)), you need to think of it as DRAWING letters (and the spaces between), rather than WRITING letters. Changing that mindset has helped me immensely when doing calligraphy. (I suspect that if I were a professional calligrapher, I'd be able to do things faster and not need to think of it as "drawing" as much.)
Ironically, my handwriting is absolute crap, but when I toggle the brain switch to calligraphy mode, it improves dramatically. The speed is cut by probably an order of magnitude, though. People that have seen my calligraphy (which, admittedly, is only amateur) are shocked, shocked to see how bad my handwriting is.
If anyone's interested in learning calligraphy, I highly recommend Mark Drogin's Medieval Calligraphy. It spends a lot of time about the history of various hands (what one might call "fonts" now), and the way they developed. If you're at all a history geek, you might love it. I know that I found it much more enjoyable than I thought I would.
Make sure that you use a dip pen, rather than one of the cartridge ones. It's a pain in the ass to re-dip every few letters, but you get a more intimate feel for what you're doing. I started with a Schaefer cartridge pen, and it was great -- but it never worked right after I replaced the ink cartridge. (The Schaefer was a great starting pen, though, I just find I enjoy using a dip pen much more.)
So how do you count diagrams and math? Much of my "handwriting" is actually chemical structure diagrams, equations, etc.
Handwriting is necessary, because "punching in" equations into a computer is a pain, and even if chemical drawing programs are reasonably useful, you can't take the laptop anywhere. There's also no better way to actually understand an equation or process than write its derivation by hand.