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Indian Moon Mission Launched
hackerdownunder writes "India's maiden lunar mission (Chandrayaan-1) got off to a flying start today. Describing the launch as 'perfect and precise,' the chairman of the Indian Space Research Organization (ISRO), G Madhavan Nair, said that it would be 14 days before the satellite would enter into lunar orbit.
Chandrayaan carries eleven payloads: five designed and developed in India, three from the European Space Agency, one from Bulgaria and two from NASA."
You didn't believe the other ones did you?
The Third World is exploring space, developing scientists and engineers, and developing their economies.
Here in the US, we're developing our military, discouraging the study of science and engineering, discouraging all rational thought (God did it!), spending resources on some nebulous terrorist threat the will come some day (or so we're told), and developing industries based on chance and moving money around.
I wonder which society has better long term prospects for its people, economy, and Government?
yeah, i know its lame, but i could not resist :D
At around Rs. 400 Crore / USD 80 Million, it must be the cheapest unmanned moon mission and.... 1st post
"This is Chandrayaan-1 we have a problem."
"You have reached mission control. Your call is very important to us. Please hold and the next available representative will be with you shortly."
"This is Chandrayaan-1 we are losing thrust and are off course."
"Remember, mission control is here for you. Have you heard about our latest service pack upgrades and special licensing agreements? Press one now if you'd like to hear more. If not, continue holding and your call will be answered in the order recieved. Thank you for calling mission control!"
I can envisage the giant interplanetary call centre they're planning to build now. Something like this, but in space.
"Please to hold!"
Do not be that disheartened... As soon as we get Obama into the office... all will be good...
Can we have ONE FUCKING DISCUSSION without Obamamaniacs chiming in about their Messiah?
Our current knowledge of moon is infinitely superior than the knowledge of our own ocean. They say, Grass is always greener on the other side or may be it is the quest to build more powerful missiles in the guise of moon missions. Not blaming India, six others did that too.
This outsourcing trend is getting insane.
(It's a joke, people!)
With spending like this, exactly what are "conservatives" conserving?
... India is finally catching up to the rest of the world.
Its pretty great to see other countries add something to the spacey happenings on our rock.
A sad truth but India is now reaching for the moon while millions in the nation (just recently been there) are still dying from hunger and live in seriously abject poverty. And I mean real poverty.
The US exports its financial crisis to other countries.
I am extremely happy that space missions are gaining importance on the world stage, as I see living offworld as the key to human survival in the long run.
Part of me wonders if the trend in outsourcing provided the economic base and not too small a technological leg up that India needed to succeed. I realize they have an amazing (and selective) university system that makes many of ours silly by comparison, but I wonder if our "American Spirit" had no small part in enabling this. I wonder if what we have to offer the world has more to do with that spirit than any other tangible asset.
This then would give us some clues to our role in the world as our "empire" fades during this next century. We are to become the skunkworks for the world.
meh
Yes. because when McCain wins the firehose election, and CmdrTaco publishes him to the post of President, we will all be able to comment on the win. No Obamamaniacs will want to chime in.
no cloud spraying gadgets, or rocket launches required. it's more of a behavioral/spiritual solution.
greed, fear & ego (in any order) are unprecedented evile's primary weapons. those, along with deception & coercion, helps most of us remain (unwittingly?) dependent on its' life0cidal hired goons' agenda. most of yOUR dwindling resources are being squandered on the 'wars', & continuation of the billionerrors stock markup FraUD/pyramid schemes. nobody ever mentions the real long term costs of those debacles in both life & any notion of prosperity for us, or our children, not to mention the abuse of the consciences of those of us who still have one. see you on the other side of it. the lights are coming up all over now. conspiracy theorists are being vindicated. some might choose a tin umbrella to go with their hats. the fairytail is winding down now. let your conscience be yOUR guide. you can be more helpful than you might have imagined. there are still some choices. if they do not suit you, consider the likely results of continuing to follow the corepirate nazi hypenosys story LIEn, whereas anything of relevance is replaced almost instantly with pr ?firm? scriptdead mindphuking propaganda or 'celebrity' trivia 'foam'. meanwhile; don't forget to get a little more oxygen on yOUR brain, & look up in the sky from time to time, starting early in the day. there's lots going on up there.
we note that yahoo deletes some of its' (relevant) stories sooner than others. maybe they're short of disk space, or something?
http://news.google.com/?ncl=1216734813&hl=en&topic=n
http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/science/09/23/what.matters.thirst/index.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/31/opinion/31mon1.html?em&ex=1199336400&en=c4b5414371631707&ei=5087%0A
(deleted)http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080918/ap_on_re_us/tent_cities;_ylt=A0wNcyS6yNJIZBoBSxKs0NUE
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/29/world/29amnesty.html?hp
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/06/02/nasa.global.warming.ap/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/weather/06/05/severe.weather.ap/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/weather/06/02/honore.preparedness/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/science/09/28/what.matters.meltdown/index.html#cnnSTCText
http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/books/10/07/atwood.debt/index.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/01/opinion/01dowd.html?em&ex=1212638400&en=744b7cebc86723e5&ei=5087%0A
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/05/senate.iraq/index.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/17/washington/17contractor.html?hp
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/03/world/middleeast/03kurdistan.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
(deleted, still in google cache)http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080708/cheney_climate.html
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080805/pl_politico/12308;_ylt=A0wNcxTPdJhILAYAVQms0NUE
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/18/voting.problems/index.html
(deleted)http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080903/ts_nm/environment_arctic_dc;_ylt=A0wNcwhhcb5It3EBoy2s0NUE
(talk about cowardlly race fixing/bad theater/fiction?) http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/19/news/economy/sec_short_selling/index.htm?cnn=yes
http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=ApTbxRfLnscxaGGuCocWlwq7YWsA/SIG=11qicue6l/**http%3A//biz.yahoo.com/ap/081006/meltdown_kashkari.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/04/opinion/04sat1.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
(the teaching of hate as a way of 'life' synonymous with failed dictatorships) http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081004/ap_on_re_us/newspapers_islam_dvd;_ylt=A0wNcwWdfudITHkACAus0NUE
(some yoga & yogurt makes killing/getting killed less stressful) http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081007/ap_on_re_us/warrior_mind;_ylt=A0wNcw9iXutIPkMBwzGs0NUE
(the old bait & switch...your share of the resulting 'product' is a fairytail nightmare?)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081011/ap_on_bi_ge/where_s_the_money;_ylt=A0wNcwJGwvFIZAQAE6ms0NUE
is it time to get real yet? A LOT of energy is being squandered in attempts to keep US in the dark. in the end (give or take a fe
I am just a bit disappointed they chose to do a moon mission. US landed on the moon in 1969. Choosing something different, even a Mars mission or something feasible but on the same scale, even if it took another 5-10 yrs would probably be better from the morale/enthusiasm perspective of the country since it wouldn't be outdated.
Life is about being a Phoenix!
India's economy has turned around due to technology outsourcing to India by the rest of the world. This outsourcing started happening when Indians began showing the outside world that Indians aren't just the hungry clamouring mobs always shown on TV. As the world realized this, they began to see value in sending work to India. By accomplishing things like Chandrayaan, or building the Tata Nano, etc, Indians demonstrate to the world their talents and abilities, which increases the world's willingness to trade and work with India, creating jobs and economic growth in the country. Some Indians commenting here are unfortunately the backward navel-gazing types, who will never understand the basis for economic growth and alleviation of poverty. They still think in the most primitive backward terms about how to bring development, prosperity and relief to the masses. The lost opportunities and economic stagnation of the past 50 years under the social welfare state show how such narrow mindsets can wreak havoc on a country. The answer lies in Indians showing each other and the world how to be achievers, instead of just beggars forever clamouring with their palms outstretched.
7-11 is already the biggest chain on this planet, will i really be able to get a big gulp when i visit the moon the first time?
If their rocket engineering is anything like their software engineering, they will probably blow themselves up or end up in Nevada and think it's the moon.
A country like Australia works because the population is tiny and the extraction of resources is large, but even so they have developed a high tech industry. Germany has most of its industrial base far up the food chain, Switzerland even more so. Mexico makes cars, cars are made in the UK regions, but the UK industrial heartland is more interested in the R&D around Formula 1 racing because the value added is better. The US has tried to take the process a stage further with banking and intellectual property, which requires few reources but has a high value added; unfortunately as we are seeing this value added, because it has so little real asset behind it, is extremely vulnerable to fashion and obsolescence.
The Indians know all of this. The faster they can move their industry up the chain, the more they can spend on getting the peasants past a 500BCE living standard.
From scarped cliff or quarried stone she cries "A thousand types are gone, I care for nothing, no not one."
Have the Chinese put a flag on the moon till now, or is India beating them to it?
First Quickie Mart on the moon!!!
Thank you...come again....
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
To start the fire of the moonlanding conspiracy flame war (that will inevitably start somewhere in this thread), here goes -
The two NASA instruments are designed to layover images and data readings where the landers and equipment are or are thought to be. Whether through some fancy electronic trickery/photoshop, or they built a scale model that hangs in front of the lenses at adjustable distances, or some other kooky theory. [sidebar] Perhaps the ISRO could snap a few photos of the sites in question to prove, yes or no, that we've been there and end this conspiracy.[/sidebar]
The actual projects by NASA are the Moon Mineralogy Mapper (M^3), here, and the Mini Synthetic Aperture Radar (Mini-SAR), here.
Congratulations to the ISRO! This really is a great achievement. Plus, my ulterior motive being that I hope to see a Space Race reignited.
"The quality of life is determined by its activites."--Aristotle
but really it just gets old to hear this same tired line. It also is very easy to exaggerate issues so they appear as if everyone who could be bad is being bad but that is far from the truth. The last part about developing industries on the chance of making money is directly the fault of the Congress preventing oversight into Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac. Hell they are resisting now investigations into those two companies and only those two until AFTER the election - why is that?
As for the rational thought comment, ever wonder why it gets so highlighted in papers when it occurs? BECAUSE IT IS SO RARE. If it were common then the papers and such would rate it to page three if that. The fact is that the most likely interference into education (read public schools and college) comes from religions claiming to be discriminated against because school falls on the wrong day, pork is served, or cheer leaders show some leg.
The only thing discouraging science and engineering in the US is the public school system because its too hard and therefor not fair. We had an interview in the local paper recently where they talked about reducing the math test requirements because it wasn't "fair". Some have suggested the rigorous testing was "racist". How do you expect ANY education system to operate under the fear of being branded racist? Then top it off with the fact that some tenured teachers aren't worth squat but are untouchable means if our kid gets a good math teacher we chalk it up to luck.
The US is exploring space, we are just far past the mundane stuff. Mundane meaning landing on things we can see with the naked eye. We have put probes on planets other countries aren't even considering. Would that be a waste in your book because no one else is doing it? When it comes to the military, well our science and space exploration go hand in hand with technical innovations. Please don't tell me you do understand that this launch mechanism India developed can be easily adapted to deliver payloads anywhere on Earth as well. Its not like they have great relations with Pakistan and I do believe if we were not buying off both there have been some really rotten incidents already.
Frankly I am quite fine with the terrorist threat remaining nebulous, it was all too real a few years back.
Which society is better long term, the US is thank you. For every failing I can attribute to the US I can usually find them elsewhere as well. It just comes down to who is trying to score the points as to when its important or not.
* Winners compare their achievements to their goals, losers compare theirs to that of others.
That's no moon!
If people in India become rich how will all the NGOs and Church groups who raise money based on sad looking photographs survive? The typical business model is for every 10 dollars raised spend a dollar on some unproductive charity in India and pocket the other 9 dollars and lead a lifestyle even most Americans cant dream of. The whole third world charity industry probably employs more people in the US than heavy manufacturing. If India becomes non-poor all these average Joe Six packs would be worrying about their next meal and not their health insurance.
**Life is too short to be serious**
Considering that the best of India's talents from IITs and likes of it are in the US working for the Microsofts, Googles and NASAs, this is indeed a big achievement. This will be a motivation for atleast a few of them to go back and work in the development of their own country.
This is one huge leap forward for India!
...the United States is in decline, not unlike the Roman Empire.
I, for one, welcome our new, enlightened, "3rd-world", "barbarian" overlords.
India has a Moon?
We'll be able to get slurpees on the moon.
India's space program is different from those in US and other "developed" countries. India has always focused on the practical uses of space science. Communication, weather forecasts, delivering payloads etc. (instead of sending probes to pluto)
Elsewhere "space programs came as spinoffs of military programs, so the things the space program was expected to deliver were things that could be used in defense," says S.K. Das, a former ISRO official.
To people complaining about India trying to go to the moon when there is a lot of poverty around:
http://www.gilscottheron.com/lywhitey.html
A rat done bit my sister Nell.
(with Whitey on the moon)
Her face and arms began to swell.
(and Whitey's on the moon)
I can't pay no doctor bill.
(but Whitey's on the moon)
Ten years from now I'll be payin' still.
(while Whitey's on the moon)
The man jus' upped my rent las' night.
('cause Whitey's on the moon)
No hot water, no toilets, no lights.
(but Whitey's on the moon)
bangerereshi marahiri marirniyaaaaaaaaa huuuu * hands and arms swirling *
they dance for everything in bollywood. i cant imagine how much dancing is going to go into the forthcoming sci-fi films they are gonna make.
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you have failed to create social welfare state. europe has succeeded.
you sound like a holistic economist, even a neocon republican. those days are at an end.
this recent crisis have shown us how dangerous unwatched, ungoverned, unregulated capitalism can be. entire world economy brought down by a handful of rogue megacorporations juggling funds in united states.
that wont happen again.
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Congratulations to India.
But as an outside observer, a moonshot seems like a 3-pointer while you are being blown out 65-22 (update 65-25) in a basketball game.
One step at a time for sure, but India seems to lag in many key areas.
The PSLV-XL itself costs only 80 crore rupee (800 million rupees) or less than 20 million USD
Going there is so 20th century. Unless they blow it up, it's !news.
Nasa missions took three days. But life support was important.
The slowest moon mission was an ESA moon mission that took 14 months to reach the moon via ion-drive. It cost very little in fuel.
Hello Friends,
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We have engineers expert in internets, dBASE III plus and Lotus 123 and will be happy to do your programming job work.
Please revert back to us at the earliest only and we will do the needful.
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Launch video 1/4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZbGXrxR4U4 2/4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_S3GeL8AjEQ 3/4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEg-uWjPDFI 4/4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT9SpPJvHck
The Moon to India: "Thank you! Please Come Again!"
"Poverty is still there, 80% of the population live on 20 rupees (25p) a day, according to a survey, but a large well off group has also emerged. Some 250 million are reckoned to be very well off, many of them very rich." http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6946800.stm
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India showcased its low-cost space technology. Project cost only $79 million, considerably less than the Chinese and Japanese probes. Now world can outsource space projects to India. Another outsourcing industry started :)
This project also shows India's partnership with 14 other countries and sharing data and technology together.
Every 18 minutes:
A crime is committed against Dalit
Every day:
* 3 Dalit women are raped
* 2 Dalits are murdered & 2 Dalits Houses are burnt
* 11 Dalits are beaten
Every week:
* 13 Dalits are murdered
* 5 Dalits home or possessions are burnt
* 6 Dalits are kidnapped or abducted
http://samatha.in/2008/08/26/being-a-dalit-in-india-facts-and-figures/
http://digg.com/world_news/Supreme_Court_s_Handgun_Ruling_Spreads
Or else India would have never got Independence from British.
Govt must implement Reservations in Temples, Judiciary and in Defense services.
A) 50% of Temple/Judges/Defense Staff must be from OBC communities.
B) 35% Temple/Judges/Defense Staff must be from Dalits and Tribals.
C) Remaining Temple/Judges/Defense Staff must be from other castes.
Otherwise India will disintegrate into 3000+ separate Kingdoms.
it first.
1.000.000 people unable to pay for their mortgages nets to a loss around $300 bn, if the houses were bought from $600 k by the bank and their values now $300 k.
thats only 1/3 of the cash us had prepared for its banks, its also around 1/10 of the cash that europe has provided.
you see, the funds provided had already covered approx 20 times that loss, if you count in what japan, korea and other nations have readied.
you should have understood by now that this is nothing related to unpaid mortgages or poor people, or fannie mae freddie mac. this is the bullshit that republican bastards are feeding you to get off the hook.
the real problem is this :
banks are allowed to lend approx 10 times the total assets they have. because its logical - money turns slow, so it doesnt create a problem. its all valid liquidity wise. this ratio is a healthy ratio and its checked by government regulation.
but, due to the lawless environment republicans and holistic economists have created by yelping 'hands off business' 'government out' 'government bad for economy, youll cost jobs to people', government regulation was totally hampered in that sector since reagan era.
then what happened ? in this unregulated environment, some bastards realized this ; if they show those mortgages as assets, and then create DERIVATIVE assets over them (called hedge funds in general because they accept all kinds of 'assets'), they can sell/trade those assets !!!
and they proceeded to do that. they created assets linked to those mortgage assets, then started trading them. attracted investors. those funds have inflated in value, disproportionately. imagine the funds value becoming $ 20 trillion instead of the mortgage value of $ 200 bn. this is round one.
in round two, they went further. they showed those DERIVATIVES as assets. meaning, despite they had $200 bn worth of mortgage assets, they now had $20 trillion worth of hedge funds/investments tied to those mortgages !! and they started lending by showing their total assets as $20 trillion plus $200 bn !!! see the point ? they started lending money THEY DONT HAVE !
see the issue now ?!
someone should have stepped in, checked their books and said 'hey, you dont have that much assets. what you are showing me as assets are actually derivative papers tied to OTHER assets. these are NOT real, and they are OVERvalued !!' and stopped them in their tracks.
but noone did. because a lot of poodles were yelping 'hands off economy !!'. so it went like this, those banks lent to countries, governments, megacorporations, traded those investment funds SO widely around the world that every bank in the world got infested by those funds.
then it was discovered. and today we are here.
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the taxes they dont pay for social welfare state, they pay while getting stabbed in the butt and giving away their wallet. or paying for the increased police & security expenses.
what a stupidity !! instead of paying out taxes in at the start and totally reducing crime, they rather not pay it and then pay it in the forms of security expenses and risks, AND have also increased crime rate as a free gift in the package !
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Now there's a second annoying hover-pop-up advertiser, Contentlink, used by Times of India (and I'm sure many others).
At least Contentlink lets you disable their popups. Click on the (?) and look near the bottom of the page for the link to disable them.
They heard it was made of paneer?
Wow! You are merely gullible but whoever started this rumor is some truly sick and evil sociopath. I suggest paying attention a little more so such things like Enron, the housing bubble and the last five years do not slip past unnoticed.
The whole world has been nervously watching this develop for years. I suggest reading something from outside of the USA for a view that is less skewed by PR money.
I agree as far as temples and defense staff are concerned, and I believe that the Temple act already allows for some of this. Not so sure about Judges. The judiciary should be selected strictly on the basis of merit, not on ethnic affiliations. Else we will have judges who are biased in favor of their communities.
Otherwise India will disintegrate into 3000+ separate Kingdoms.
That danger is far more likely to be realized by the China-backed Maoists and Pakistan-backed Islamic militants than by legislative wrongdoings.
l'Homme n'est Rien l'Oeuvre Tout: Gustave Flaubert to George Sand
there is no border for crime. no confines either. eventually as the situation deteriorates enterprising criminals will reach towards your neighborhood and places you go. then youll get either kidnapped for ransom or stabbed in the butt. that will be the point you feel the invisible hand of the free market.
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dont label this behaviour with elaborate names like libertarian, conservative etc and legalize the behaviour in some way.
what he is basically saying that 'dont take my money, let the society crash down for all i care'.
this is plain out, basic self centeredness and greed, accompanied by a high measure of ignorance and lack of understanding. also, ingratefulness.
he makes use of all the benefits being a society brings, but he doesnt want to spare any of his resources to make sure that society keeps functioning, so he can enjoy those benefits.
this is stupid, ignorant, self centered all at the same time. its like shooting yourself in the foot despite you are so wanting to go jogging.
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Rajiv Gandhi was the visionary who decided that India should invest in IT education http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajiv_Gandhi
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