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Linux To Be First OS To Support USB 3.0
An anonymous reader writes with an excerpt from Neowin.net "Sarah Sharp, a self-styled 'geekess' and Linux developer at Intel's Open Source Technology Center who has recently been working on the Linux USB subsystem, announced on her blog that support of USB 3.0 will soon be integrated into the Linux kernel. This makes Linux the first operating system to support the standard. If you can't wait and have the expertise necessary, she includes instructions on how to get USB 3.0 support in Linux now." Here's Sharp's post.
My Linux box goes to USB 11
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To a picture of her. I wonder if she is hot.
Like a Ferengi without the big ears. But what's she doing off of the homeworld?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Linux the first for the original USB too? Well that, or USB 2.0
That they'll break 50 other things adding USB 3.0 support. Probably in the final -rc, just to make sure they don't get fixed before the "release".
bleeding edge ;)
Chalk one up for Intel and Linux kernel OSS support! IMHO, a big milestone in the fact that Linux kernel development is always teetering on the bleeding edge. This isn't going to change much for the novice user unless distro's do their part and package in the kernel support for it, but for the more savvy users and testers, it's going to help USB 3.0 mature very quickly and get the bugs worked out faster. I dig it.
And I'll adopt it after it's been out for a while and everyone else works the bugs out.
I don't want first, I want stable.
Nice to hear that, but are there any USB 3.0 devices to plug ?
I was waiting for USB3 support! Now all my USB3 devices will work in Linux but not in Windows. Drivers? What are they? Oh and when can I buy a USB4 powered reading light?
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Geekess would mean you are just a sub geek. Please, clearly you are all geek.
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The official USB 3 logo has the phrase "superspeed" on it, and the icon has a matching "SS"
Who keeps on doing this!! Being a relative term, you'll be up to ludicrous speed by USB 5.
Ditto for fast ethernet.
I may have to preface this with the fact that I am a hard core Linux user. I run Mac OS on the wife's machines. I have a WindowsXP VM. That's about it for me personally. I use Linux exclusively and favorably. But what I have to say is the objective truth the way I see it... objectively.
It means nothing to Windows pushers and nothing to Mac pushers. It only means something when they have something that Linux doesn't support. Then they can point their fingers and say "Linux doesn't support my hardware [again]!"
Linux isn't entitled to bragging rights of any kind. Sure we have snazzy 3D OpenGL desktops with cubes and spheres. Sure we have the ability to many things "unencumbered" by DRM or other schemes while at the same time can play all media (so far). There are lots of games natively written for Linux though not the ones someone wants to play usually... (No WoW and no chance in hell of an OpenGL version of XWing vs. Tie Fighter....)
The point is what Linux has is completely unimportant to others... even when they DON'T have it. What is important is what Linux doesn't have.
Still, I'll chalk this little bullet point up in Linux's favor... but at the same time, none of it matters until really useful USB 3.0 devices are available and at that time there WILL be Windows drivers and support and there WILL be Mac OS X support. "Sure, you had it first... but what could you do with it?"
(I'll still get modded troll)
... filing for Chapter 7. Oops, I meant following with Windows 7.
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Sorry ...
title says it all.
There may already be Windows drivers, Microsoft may have simply not released them since, lacking final hardware, that isn't a real useful thing to do. However internally there could well be a driver prepped and ready to go.
To figure how huge thing this is, you should be running Linux in 1990s and tried to use USB early, practical devices such as mouse.
Windows 95 with "hacked in" USB support was working better with USB devices. We ended up struggling for hours and ending up with PS/2 adapter coming with USB mouse under Linux. Need to say more?
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sorry, i'm heterosexual. i can't use linux.
As you mention MS, something comes to my mind... There is nothing stopping MS from _never_ releasing drivers and such "Linux gets support first" gestures could either be a kick to them or could guarantee USB3 becoming a failure just because MS didn't include drivers.
While Apple is certainly more nice company than MS, Apple is the one who always loves "We had it here first" type of things and all (excluding hopeless fanatics) must thank Apple for helping USB to really take off, with first iMac.
So, they are taking the chance to make SJobs telling how amazingly fast, unbeliavable thing USB 3 is. If I was a company working on USB3 like, multimedia focused technology, I wouldn't make Apple mad too.
Especially while there is certainly incoming FW3200 technology, significantly more modern than USB (thanks to its roots) and it half belongs to Apple. They can say "We are waiving our patent price for implementing it and here are its specs including comically low CPU usage". Firewire 1600/3200 is _really_ 1600 and 3200 mbit, no overhead etc. issues and you can CHAIN them without losing bandwidth. Think about netbooks having to have 3-4 USB inputs in such small space. A single FW1600 can handle all with amazing speed. What stops firewire? Of course, the high price of implementation. Apple can actually erase half or more of the price instantly with a single memo.
There are some great technologies failed just because they weren't supported on Windows natively. Just look how that FAT16/32 dinosaur lives on while there are dozens of better filesystems out there.
This naming scheme invites shady marketing. You know we're going to see USB3.0 mice. They'll be USB3.0 alright, just implementing the low-speed part of the spec. It doesn't matter in case of mice, but users will not expect USB3.0 external hard disks to just implement "hi-speed", yet we will see this kind of up-labeling again: "USB3.0 Hi-Speed."
(The Superspeed logo does not have SS in it - that would have been a major marketing faux-pas.)
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Look you can't hide your sexuality just by avoiding Linux. It's way too obvious for that. It's like thinking nobody will realize you're gay if you just don't go into gay bars, while continuing to wear silk shirts with ruffles and frills with the front open, and having sex with other men in public.
I don't know why you want to stay in the closest, but believe me it's not working your closet is made of glass. Why not just be proud of who you are, and then you can use any OS you want and visit that nice leather bar you pretend not to look longingly at every time you pass.
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I was planning a iMac 24" and looking for a secondary display solution since I used 2 monitors even back in Windows 98. So, I checked the "real life solution" USB2 scene (e.g. not toasters) a bit.
First stuff to use USB3 will certainly be SSD drives and later, "secondary display" or even "main display" (e.g. opengl 2/3 capable) GPU stuff will start shipping.
So, if USB3 is supported under Linux but the GPU solution, likely from a Taiwan/China company doesn't have driver/GUI app... It will be a really ironic situation. I am not mocking Linux, same thing will likely happen to OS X too. I am somehow sure the actual working USB3 devices will run under Windows first.
83 thousand workers all over the globe including Israel and they can't figure out why companies never use anything matching "SS"? Perhaps they should also add original swastika and can explain they used it in terms of original meaning.
We used a stylish logo with "SS" letters once at TV and we had our lesson. If Intel calls their Israel office, they can be surprised.
Remember they jumped to 667 Mhz instead of natural 666 in Pentium since people were already putting "Satan Inside" logos on web? Yes, SS still sounds like the SS from WW2. It will be trouble. That is why companies like Apple, Microsoft have huge databases for naming products and even filenames in their operating systems.
Just tried to get GNU/Linux to work on my dual-monitor machine -- which is currently running Windows 2000 -- and it doesn't work! Seriously, it JustWorks(tm) in Windows 2000, but doesn't work in GNU/Linux in 2009.
So, yay for the Linux kernel getting USB3.0 support (despite the fact no-one outside the GNU/Linux geek world will notice), boo for not even support dual monitors, iPods, bluetooth, software RAID, Intel/ATi graphics cards (Ubuntu is regression city at the moment) or a single sound library (so it's not possible to run Skype, Flash and Rhythmbox at the same time, for example).
In fact, I'd say that there are far more important things to the GNU/Linux ecosystem than USB3.0 support. That's probably why GNU/Linux is a failure on the desktop though: you can't tell the developers what to work on. People should seriously stop advocating it as being ready for the desktop though (see reasons above), they're not going to earn any friends that way. Even Mark Shuttleworth hesitates to recommend Ubuntu!
Sarah, will you please bear my children?
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
That's simply not true. The USB 3.0 spec. is mostly concerned with the phy. & bus. The xHCI spec covers the HCD. The software-level device interfaces have not changed, or have changed very little.
So does that mean CPU usage will be 100% when I copy files to a hard drive?
Historically this is the main reason why I always went with FireWire for external enclosures--USB killed CPU on heavy duty workloads. (Of course I haven't used external USB in a while, so my information may now be out of date.)
And I know we generally have CPU cycles to spare, but it just grates on my engineering "sensitivities" and comes off as an inelegant design. Things may have improved over the years, but early problems have made USB a stigma in my mind for anything more than keyboards and mice.
Oh I bet the moron at Intel thought exactly like you. Guess what? You don't design the names/logos based on 1-2% of population. You base them on 98% which includes every kind of uneducated, fanatic freak out there.
USB3 "super speed" lame name will transform to "SS" and people will really be bugged about it. Look past browser window displaying slashdot, there is a World out there and they have no clue about the real root of number 666.
Given that Linux can't even support the vast majority of USB 1 devices that are out there, since none of the hardware manufacturers think it's worth spending the time and money to write drivers, provide a support channel and publicise the fact, just slapping a USB 3 stack into the kernel means nothing.
Let's see how many peripheral manufacturers bring out linux drivers for their kit, before they bring out Windows X drivers. That's the only thing that would make a difference.
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I wonder if Firewire guys (including Apple) stop telling the true bandwidth of Firewire 1600/3200 and adopt AMD naming scheme?
If USB3 claims 5 gigabit and yet performs same as firewire 3200, Firewire (IEEE1394) should use Firewire 5000 and wait for Intel to say a WORD about it.
Enough with this fake bandwidth scheme by CPU monopoly company really.
The Usual Suspects quote:
"The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist."
There was an article almost half a year ago about a demonstration of USB 3.0 throughput on Linux?
I haven't seen any USB 3.0 devices for sale yet. I suspect that they won't appear until sometime after Windows and Mac support USB 3. So, as cool as this is, there is no need to rush off and implement it on your own now. You can wait until your next kernel update.
It's not the first until it actually implements it. Until then, any other system could still get there first.
Of course with no USB 3.0 ports or hardware, it hardly matters.
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That is interesting. USB 3 could be a chance to start over and start writing drivers for every single USB 3 device as it comes out. It would need some organization, a single location for anyone to submit devices, and lots of work, but it could totally happen.
I fuckin' love Armchair Idiots. You're so clueless it's almost cute!
Linux is the first to support one of the most geekness things like USB 3.0, but things that real people needs like Blu-ray support Linux is the last.
It does matter whose firt. At least to some of uis. Does that mean that person will reap the monitory rewards? no.
"vast majority of USB 1 devices that are out there, "
such as...?
Of course had you read it, you would know she implemented for a hardware reason.
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But posting comments about how much you dislike a blog, on that blog? That's above mid range on the fail-meter right there.
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Opera was also first browser that implements Acid 3. Apparently, Apple Safari 4 is the only browser in production right now available in the market.
Point stands. This is news that mostly no one cares about. I'm sorry but its true.
A better headline would be "Microsoft figures out how to write a great OS"... That would be far more useful to MOST people, than USB 3.0 in linux.
I wonder when Microsoft will catch up, so that Windows will be, you know, "ready for the desktop"?
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Microsoft never really supported the older USB standards. OK, HID and Mass Storage Devices work, but there are whole other classes of standard devices like networking cards or USB->Serial converters which just don't work under Windows.
At work we have once tried it out. We bought 3 random devices, an USB->Serial converter (standard class for that), an USB->Ethernet converter (also a standard class) and an USB->WLAN adaptor. Even though the last one didn't confirm to any standards, all three worked immediately by plugging them into a Linux box. Trying the same on a Windows box resulted in cryptic error messages about "drivers". Windows still has a _long_ way to go to be ready for the desktop.
USB survived without support from Microsoft so far. If Microsoft would have supported USB from the start, the users experience would have been _way_ better. You'd have real plug and play.
Would you kids please get your wanking done before you start posting on Slashdot? Panting and drooling every time you see a female is pretty boring for others...
This is excellent news, I only hope that soon Linux will be able to recognise a USB device that was connected after the system booted.
I hope this new driver corrupts all your porn hard drives...
I do not use linux, since linux means communism and can be used by terrists.
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Look at the comments in her Who Am I? page.
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Someone has to be first and it's no wonder to me that Linux can reach this goals first since the development models allows that very well. On the other hand, it seems to me just another moot point to show how superduper OS Linux is. Of course it is great! But yelling "I got here first" won't help you much if the turtle is what most people want...
Ceterum censeo Microsoft esse delendam.
Indeed. This is the way things are done in the consumer PC industry. Come up with a crappy standard that doesn't quite do what you want, but is dirt cheap to implement, so that it will get adopted en masse. Then, slowly, over time, kludge in features on top of it so that customers will have to buy into each new version to get what they want, and in the end, finally get something that performs somewhat adequately and is basically equivalent to what was always available in a different standard, but is a lot kludgier underneath. Happened with IDE vs. SCSI, x86 vs. RISC machines, and happening again with USB vs. Firewire. It seems so inefficient to me... .../me grimaces in annoyance because it's darn near impossible to find a firewire video camera these days.
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yes! linux will be the first to support usb 3.0. It will remain sorta beta till usb 4.0 is released.
only 1% of the hardware will be supported.... that will increase to wooping 20% by the time 4.0 is released.