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Linux To Be First OS To Support USB 3.0
An anonymous reader writes with an excerpt from Neowin.net "Sarah Sharp, a self-styled 'geekess' and Linux developer at Intel's Open Source Technology Center who has recently been working on the Linux USB subsystem, announced on her blog that support of USB 3.0 will soon be integrated into the Linux kernel. This makes Linux the first operating system to support the standard. If you can't wait and have the expertise necessary, she includes instructions on how to get USB 3.0 support in Linux now." Here's Sharp's post.
My Linux box goes to USB 11
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Chalk one up for Intel and Linux kernel OSS support! IMHO, a big milestone in the fact that Linux kernel development is always teetering on the bleeding edge. This isn't going to change much for the novice user unless distro's do their part and package in the kernel support for it, but for the more savvy users and testers, it's going to help USB 3.0 mature very quickly and get the bugs worked out faster. I dig it.
And I'll adopt it after it's been out for a while and everyone else works the bugs out.
I don't want first, I want stable.
Looks good to me:
http://sarah.thesharps.us/
Nice to hear that, but are there any USB 3.0 devices to plug ?
like Doctor or Actor.
Geekess would mean you are just a sub geek. Please, clearly you are all geek.
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The official USB 3 logo has the phrase "superspeed" on it, and the icon has a matching "SS"
Who keeps on doing this!! Being a relative term, you'll be up to ludicrous speed by USB 5.
Ditto for fast ethernet.
USB 3.0 doesn't significantly change any of the class definitions. The standard USB drivers will need little, if any, changes to fully support USB 3.0 devices.
I may have to preface this with the fact that I am a hard core Linux user. I run Mac OS on the wife's machines. I have a WindowsXP VM. That's about it for me personally. I use Linux exclusively and favorably. But what I have to say is the objective truth the way I see it... objectively.
It means nothing to Windows pushers and nothing to Mac pushers. It only means something when they have something that Linux doesn't support. Then they can point their fingers and say "Linux doesn't support my hardware [again]!"
Linux isn't entitled to bragging rights of any kind. Sure we have snazzy 3D OpenGL desktops with cubes and spheres. Sure we have the ability to many things "unencumbered" by DRM or other schemes while at the same time can play all media (so far). There are lots of games natively written for Linux though not the ones someone wants to play usually... (No WoW and no chance in hell of an OpenGL version of XWing vs. Tie Fighter....)
The point is what Linux has is completely unimportant to others... even when they DON'T have it. What is important is what Linux doesn't have.
Still, I'll chalk this little bullet point up in Linux's favor... but at the same time, none of it matters until really useful USB 3.0 devices are available and at that time there WILL be Windows drivers and support and there WILL be Mac OS X support. "Sure, you had it first... but what could you do with it?"
(I'll still get modded troll)
... filing for Chapter 7. Oops, I meant following with Windows 7.
Intellectual Property: an immaterial non-entity, most fiercely contended by those with no proper intellect to speak of.
I'm sure we would all like to interface with her USB..... ;-)
There may already be Windows drivers, Microsoft may have simply not released them since, lacking final hardware, that isn't a real useful thing to do. However internally there could well be a driver prepped and ready to go.
To figure how huge thing this is, you should be running Linux in 1990s and tried to use USB early, practical devices such as mouse.
Windows 95 with "hacked in" USB support was working better with USB devices. We ended up struggling for hours and ending up with PS/2 adapter coming with USB mouse under Linux. Need to say more?
USB 2.0. I'll guarantee you that USB 1.x was running on Windows long before linux. >.> .
As you mention MS, something comes to my mind... There is nothing stopping MS from _never_ releasing drivers and such "Linux gets support first" gestures could either be a kick to them or could guarantee USB3 becoming a failure just because MS didn't include drivers.
While Apple is certainly more nice company than MS, Apple is the one who always loves "We had it here first" type of things and all (excluding hopeless fanatics) must thank Apple for helping USB to really take off, with first iMac.
So, they are taking the chance to make SJobs telling how amazingly fast, unbeliavable thing USB 3 is. If I was a company working on USB3 like, multimedia focused technology, I wouldn't make Apple mad too.
Especially while there is certainly incoming FW3200 technology, significantly more modern than USB (thanks to its roots) and it half belongs to Apple. They can say "We are waiving our patent price for implementing it and here are its specs including comically low CPU usage". Firewire 1600/3200 is _really_ 1600 and 3200 mbit, no overhead etc. issues and you can CHAIN them without losing bandwidth. Think about netbooks having to have 3-4 USB inputs in such small space. A single FW1600 can handle all with amazing speed. What stops firewire? Of course, the high price of implementation. Apple can actually erase half or more of the price instantly with a single memo.
There are some great technologies failed just because they weren't supported on Windows natively. Just look how that FAT16/32 dinosaur lives on while there are dozens of better filesystems out there.
This naming scheme invites shady marketing. You know we're going to see USB3.0 mice. They'll be USB3.0 alright, just implementing the low-speed part of the spec. It doesn't matter in case of mice, but users will not expect USB3.0 external hard disks to just implement "hi-speed", yet we will see this kind of up-labeling again: "USB3.0 Hi-Speed."
(The Superspeed logo does not have SS in it - that would have been a major marketing faux-pas.)
They've Gone Plad!!
Look you can't hide your sexuality just by avoiding Linux. It's way too obvious for that. It's like thinking nobody will realize you're gay if you just don't go into gay bars, while continuing to wear silk shirts with ruffles and frills with the front open, and having sex with other men in public.
I don't know why you want to stay in the closest, but believe me it's not working your closet is made of glass. Why not just be proud of who you are, and then you can use any OS you want and visit that nice leather bar you pretend not to look longingly at every time you pass.
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I was planning a iMac 24" and looking for a secondary display solution since I used 2 monitors even back in Windows 98. So, I checked the "real life solution" USB2 scene (e.g. not toasters) a bit.
First stuff to use USB3 will certainly be SSD drives and later, "secondary display" or even "main display" (e.g. opengl 2/3 capable) GPU stuff will start shipping.
So, if USB3 is supported under Linux but the GPU solution, likely from a Taiwan/China company doesn't have driver/GUI app... It will be a really ironic situation. I am not mocking Linux, same thing will likely happen to OS X too. I am somehow sure the actual working USB3 devices will run under Windows first.
83 thousand workers all over the globe including Israel and they can't figure out why companies never use anything matching "SS"? Perhaps they should also add original swastika and can explain they used it in terms of original meaning.
We used a stylish logo with "SS" letters once at TV and we had our lesson. If Intel calls their Israel office, they can be surprised.
Remember they jumped to 667 Mhz instead of natural 666 in Pentium since people were already putting "Satan Inside" logos on web? Yes, SS still sounds like the SS from WW2. It will be trouble. That is why companies like Apple, Microsoft have huge databases for naming products and even filenames in their operating systems.
I don't care what she looks like. If she refers to herself as a "geekess", she's off my list based on annoyability quotient.
Anyway, you want fun, you gotta go for the Liberal Arts majors. They read "erotica" and learn all that kama sutra stuff.
Or, do what I did and go for a mathematician. For some reason, female mathematicians are sex machines. The trick is to find one that doesn't look like Leonid Brezhnev with lipstick.
Here's the secret: hang around the math department and look for the girls with names that sound like they're from the former Soviet Bloc. I don't know why, but over there they breed a certain type of hot chick with strong math aptitude. Probably a result of some sort of early genetic experiment before the fall of the USSR. Anyway, they get over here and go to our best math schools and since back home all the guys are brooding boors who drink too much and don't bathe, it can be as simple as being nice to them (and, of course, bathing regularly). Also, if they're from the former Yugoslavia, it's best not to mention that you thought Clinton was a great president. They still hold a grudge about all the bombing of Belgrade and stuff.
If you play your cards right, you'll end up with a female that looks like Milla Jovovic and has a brain like Pierre de Fermat. They end up with a nice job in a math department somewhere (or even better, the financial sector) and BAM! you're home relaxed, playing Far Cry 2 and commenting on Slashdot, writing a novel the same way that Brian from Family Guy is "writing a novel" and in twenty minutes she comes home bringing bacon. Of course, be prepared to cook dinner occasionally and perform like a tantric guru. It can be a sweet, if tiring existence.
Now excuse me, I have something on the stove.
You are welcome on my lawn.
That's simply not true. The USB 3.0 spec. is mostly concerned with the phy. & bus. The xHCI spec covers the HCD. The software-level device interfaces have not changed, or have changed very little.
So does that mean CPU usage will be 100% when I copy files to a hard drive?
Historically this is the main reason why I always went with FireWire for external enclosures--USB killed CPU on heavy duty workloads. (Of course I haven't used external USB in a while, so my information may now be out of date.)
And I know we generally have CPU cycles to spare, but it just grates on my engineering "sensitivities" and comes off as an inelegant design. Things may have improved over the years, but early problems have made USB a stigma in my mind for anything more than keyboards and mice.
I could engage in some huge diatribe about how you're objectifying women and you shouldn't be a douche online 'cause that makes the geek girls uncomfortable.
But I'm not even going to need that line. I'm just going to point out what she says on her blog:
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Vim. Vim!. As in "Mmmmmmm, I love vi."
Arrrrggggghhhhh!!!! So sad. Another soul lost...
Okay, all together now: "I wish they all could be Emacs girls..."
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Also, if they're from the former Yugoslavia, it's best not to mention that you thought Clinton was a great president. They still hold a grudge about all the bombing of Belgrade and stuff.
That's only if she's a Serb. If she's Croatian, it could be a point in your favour.
The takeaway here is that paying attention to geopolitics can pay great dividends.
Oh I bet the moron at Intel thought exactly like you. Guess what? You don't design the names/logos based on 1-2% of population. You base them on 98% which includes every kind of uneducated, fanatic freak out there.
USB3 "super speed" lame name will transform to "SS" and people will really be bugged about it. Look past browser window displaying slashdot, there is a World out there and they have no clue about the real root of number 666.
She's even hotter in this pic:
http://www.woolfsimmonds.co.uk/sarah-sharp.html
Given that Linux can't even support the vast majority of USB 1 devices that are out there, since none of the hardware manufacturers think it's worth spending the time and money to write drivers, provide a support channel and publicise the fact, just slapping a USB 3 stack into the kernel means nothing.
Let's see how many peripheral manufacturers bring out linux drivers for their kit, before they bring out Windows X drivers. That's the only thing that would make a difference.
politicians are like babies' nappies: they should both be changed regularly and for the same reasons
I wonder if Firewire guys (including Apple) stop telling the true bandwidth of Firewire 1600/3200 and adopt AMD naming scheme?
If USB3 claims 5 gigabit and yet performs same as firewire 3200, Firewire (IEEE1394) should use Firewire 5000 and wait for Intel to say a WORD about it.
Enough with this fake bandwidth scheme by CPU monopoly company really.
I don't know why, but over there they breed a certain type of hot chick with strong math aptitude. Probably a result of some sort of early genetic experiment before the fall of the USSR.
Clearly the Bene Gesserit of the USSR
The Usual Suspects quote:
"The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist."
I haven't seen any USB 3.0 devices for sale yet. I suspect that they won't appear until sometime after Windows and Mac support USB 3. So, as cool as this is, there is no need to rush off and implement it on your own now. You can wait until your next kernel update.
That is interesting. USB 3 could be a chance to start over and start writing drivers for every single USB 3 device as it comes out. It would need some organization, a single location for anyone to submit devices, and lots of work, but it could totally happen.
Dude vim has spell checking!? That is awesome!
Er, Linux does implement it. It's about to merged into mainline.
Sarah Sharpe works for Intel. She's access to prototype HCDs and host devices for over six months and now has access to engineering sample chipsets that implement USB 3.0. The code has already been shown to work.
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whay:
http://www.isorm.com/product_info.php?products_id=3336
Windows 7 will support USB 3.0
http://www.vista123.net/content/microsoft-talkes-about-windows-7-and-usb-30
Of course its MS, so USB 3.0 probably won't be fully implement until SP3
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It does matter whose firt. At least to some of uis. Does that mean that person will reap the monitory rewards? no.
"vast majority of USB 1 devices that are out there, "
such as...?
Of course had you read it, you would know she implemented for a hardware reason.
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Leonid Brezhnev with lipstick.
Well, still no lipstick, but a start anyway... http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SPpWp0E7Th8/SGJjHYjA_oI/AAAAAAAAAVI/e0wWURoKzHY/s400/brezhnev.jpg
You guys are fucking creepy.
I could engage in some huge diatribe about how you're objectifying women
Yes, but talk like that will just make you popular with the lesbians.
Which is perfectly alright. But if you're straight it's a lonely existence.
There's the whole rest of the Internet, if this blog doesn't suit you.
But posting comments about how much you dislike a blog, on that blog? That's above mid range on the fail-meter right there.
Did IE hide your address bar, and now you can't get out? Here, let me help.
Help stamp out iliturcy.
Opera was also first browser that implements Acid 3. Apparently, Apple Safari 4 is the only browser in production right now available in the market.
Slashdot suffers just as badly from the same moronic posts an ill informed individuals that think there poorly thought out opinions are facts,
Yes, apparently it does.
"In the absence of the ability to establish the attribute of truth they tried to establish the noble attributes."
MCCI announced a Windows driver for 3.0 last Feb... http://www.embedded-computing.com/news/Industry+News/15701 So I would suggest that pre-dates Linux availability a fair bit.
Yeah yeah yeah Apple had USB in the 1930s because they are just so awesome. Don't you get tired of defending a company you probably have 0 shares in and is...just a company. Maybe if you Apple guys kept things on technical merit and not what's "cool at starbucks" then maybe people would take you seriously.
I wonder when Microsoft will catch up, so that Windows will be, you know, "ready for the desktop"?
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It's all fun and games until your math bunny starts multiplying. Then you're stuck at home with dirty diapers. ;-)
Yes, but talk like that will just make you popular with the lesbians.
Which is perfectly alright. But if you're straight it's a lonely existence.
I dunno... I mean, sure, lesbians often have friends that are gay as well. But in my experience they tend to have female friends that are straight or bi, so I find that it generally works out okay.
coding is life
I don't care what she looks like.
She is actually quite cute. I saw a photo of her in an article that she submitted to Linux Journal a few months ago. She discussed how to use USB and Linux to monitor a model rocket.
this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom. -- Lincoln, Gettysburg Address
What about the bi overlap? And people often aren't as segregated as made out to be in these areas.
Informative?!? Really?!?
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"Looks good to me:"
Bah, pictures mean nothing. Check out her youtube video
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Microsoft never really supported the older USB standards. OK, HID and Mass Storage Devices work, but there are whole other classes of standard devices like networking cards or USB->Serial converters which just don't work under Windows.
At work we have once tried it out. We bought 3 random devices, an USB->Serial converter (standard class for that), an USB->Ethernet converter (also a standard class) and an USB->WLAN adaptor. Even though the last one didn't confirm to any standards, all three worked immediately by plugging them into a Linux box. Trying the same on a Windows box resulted in cryptic error messages about "drivers". Windows still has a _long_ way to go to be ready for the desktop.
USB survived without support from Microsoft so far. If Microsoft would have supported USB from the start, the users experience would have been _way_ better. You'd have real plug and play.
Point stands. This is news that mostly no one cares about. I'm sorry but its true.
A better headline would be "Microsoft figures out how to write a great OS"... That would be far more useful to MOST people, than USB 3.0 in linux.
If Microsoft figured out how to write a great OS, that would definitely be worth a headline. But I'm not figuring on seeing it anytime soon.
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Would you kids please get your wanking done before you start posting on Slashdot? Panting and drooling every time you see a female is pretty boring for others...
You must be new here.
Uhmm, there's more then one person with that name...
http://sarah.thesharps.us/
Anyway, you want fun, you gotta go for the Liberal Arts majors. They read "erotica" and learn all that kama sutra stuff.
I must disagree. I prefer Christian girls. Though I'm not a Christian myself, those non-religious types all have some kind of hangup. I don't mean one of those girls who fucked half of the planet and decided to get religion when she tired of being a filthy whore. I mean a girl who was raised in a religious household. You find yourself a girl who suppressed her sexuality for all of her teenage years and she'll be ready to explode by the time she's 25. I speak the truth in this, trust me.
Also, if they're from the former Yugoslavia, it's best not to mention that you thought Clinton was a great president.
Why would I do that? My parents were married; to each other.
LK
LK
"Hi. This is my friend, Jack Shit, and you don't know him." - Lord Kano
Or maybe you should put the troll-smacking stick down and realize that Apple did indeed have USB in their home computers before anyone else did.
At least they got that right... USB is an extremely useful thing to have around.
For large sets, this will be our guide even unto death, for the LORD will work for each type of data it is applied to...
This is excellent news, I only hope that soon Linux will be able to recognise a USB device that was connected after the system booted.
With pleasure. You are wrong.
No, Windows beat Linux on USB 1.1 and 2.0. Although Linux was first with AMD64 support. I can't think of too many other Linux "firsts" though.
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
Oh Mr Coward, how wrong you are. It's a simply matter of adding "padsp" to the beginning of the menu item. So "padsp skype" will make skype work in pulse audio.
The same can be done with WINE. "padsp winecfg", click on the audio tab and select the OSS driver, then exit. Now when starting your wine app type "padsp wine appname.exe"
Someone has to be first and it's no wonder to me that Linux can reach this goals first since the development models allows that very well. On the other hand, it seems to me just another moot point to show how superduper OS Linux is. Of course it is great! But yelling "I got here first" won't help you much if the turtle is what most people want...
Ceterum censeo Microsoft esse delendam.
Apple did indeed have USB in their home computers before anyone else did.
Consciously transitioning away was a better option than waiting for ApplePort (or whatever it was called) to die from lack of demand. Just look at PS/2. Only recently have computers been shipped without it.
You guys are fucking creepy.
No, but they wish they were.
The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
Indeed. This is the way things are done in the consumer PC industry. Come up with a crappy standard that doesn't quite do what you want, but is dirt cheap to implement, so that it will get adopted en masse. Then, slowly, over time, kludge in features on top of it so that customers will have to buy into each new version to get what they want, and in the end, finally get something that performs somewhat adequately and is basically equivalent to what was always available in a different standard, but is a lot kludgier underneath. Happened with IDE vs. SCSI, x86 vs. RISC machines, and happening again with USB vs. Firewire. It seems so inefficient to me... .../me grimaces in annoyance because it's darn near impossible to find a firewire video camera these days.
-- "This world is a comedy to those who think, a tragedy to those who feel."
Come on, haven't you figured out the way this works yet?
Pick any three.
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Vim automatic spell checking is my crutch
Crotch? Eww.
I am not devoid of humor.
Ah. I see. Even the moderators are infected, and think it is normal, and somehow OK, to be religious, and that one even has to protect it.
Well. Even that is typical schizophrenic behavior. You can read about it, even on Wikipedia.
I should have expected it.
Well, I wish you to get well soon!
(Or suffer the drawbacks from living in a twisted, false reality, where others suck you dry, and you love them for it.)
Any sufficiently advanced intelligence is indistinguishable from stupidity.
After goatse.cx and tubgirl I would think to learn my lesson clicking links here ... just can't help it.
http://saveie6.com/
8 out of 10 times its something that just can't leave your mind after blinding you when posted on slashdot.
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The 1930's. The decade that brought you the Depression, the Nazis, batshit crazy Japanese militarists attempting genocide in China and Stalin's purges. It sort of makes sense USB was invented then.
echo -e 'global _start\n _start:\n mov eax, 2\n int 80h\n jmp _start' > a.asm; nasm a.asm -f elf; ld a.o -o a;
You're garantuee isn't worth much. Apple and Solaris had USB drivers in 1998, Windows partial support in 2000 and Linux in 2001.
Christ. You fuckers make me want to change my name to George.
Or maybe you should put the troll-smacking stick down and realize that Apple did indeed have USB in their home computers before anyone else did.
That factually isn't true either, virtually everything had USB hardware on board when the original iMac came out. The drivers were a mess until Win98 a month later though.
Business. Numbers. Money. People. Computer World.
The problem that I have with your position is that it takes just as much faith to be an athiest as it takes to be religious.
I'll give you the short version. Do we (humanity) know all that there is to know about the universe? Of course not. So, since we don't know everything we can't know if there is a supreme being. At best, all we can really be is agnostic. Because we really don't know.
Religious people don't have a monopoly on believing strange crap.
If you're secure enough in your beliefs, you won't be converted just by spending time with someone who has different beliefs.
LK
"Hi. This is my friend, Jack Shit, and you don't know him." - Lord Kano
Who cares about firsts anyway. Microsoft teaches us that only thirds matter.
Tell that to Reiser :) He had a Russian chick and look what happened :)
True, but they have raised it to an art form.
You are welcome on my lawn.
True, but they have raised it to an art form.
It takes just as much faith to be anti-religious as it does to be religious.
Religious people believe that some mysterious force or being created the universe and all life in it.
Anti-Religious people believe that the universe and all life came about as a matter of random chance.
We have no way to prove or disprove either position. To be an subscribe to either position requires faith.
LK
"Hi. This is my friend, Jack Shit, and you don't know him." - Lord Kano
Wow, someone needs her humour detector to be fixed. You foed me over this?!? There are a lot of reasons to foe me, but making a joke like this isn't a good reason.
George Eliot lived in a society whom women were simply not taken seriously. She circumvented that by posing as a man.
This here is something completely different. She's a geek and a pretty good one too: she'll get her code accepted in the Linux kernel and works for Intel. It's hard to beat that.... So respect there is.
However, geek girls are so rare that we surely want to know how attractive she is (and she is!). Note the word attractive: it comes from "to attract", meaning we're evaluating her "potential mate" status. We're all still cavemen (and cavewomen... you do know that women check out men all the time, don't you?) in that regard. "potential mate" implies sex. USB comes in male and female variant. She is attractive. Add those three together and you get a comment like the one I made. It is just meant funny and on top of that I added a winkie-smile, indicating that one should just take it as a joke.
It is just a mere comment which was mostly meant to entertain. I'm married, but not as lucky to be married to a geek girl (she's pretty much the exact opposite and that causes some problems).
This is nothing more than the geek equivalent of a construction worker whistling after a pretty girl. Or someone saying that they wouldn't kick $ACTOR/$ACTRESS out of their bed.
So lighten up a bit.... You're a woman in a male-dominated world, but we don't persecute you. When I attended Computer Science, we had five girls in the whole course (100 people at the beginning). All of them were treated with respect and they could manage the occasional sexual innuendo. They knew it was for fun, so why can't you?
Keep me foed, I don't care... However, you seriously need to reevaluate your sensitivities as a female in the male-dominated-geek world.
Even the moderators are infected, and think it is normal, and somehow OK, to be religious,
Being that all people are to some degree religious, it is certainly "normal" to be religious.
Even people who think they're athiests are religious. It takes a greater amount of faith to believe that all of the universe is the result of random chance than to believe that some immensely powerful being created it.
LK
"Hi. This is my friend, Jack Shit, and you don't know him." - Lord Kano