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Doctors Baffled, Intrigued By Girl Who Doesn't Age
phyrebyrd writes "Brooke Greenberg is the size of an infant, with the mental capacity of a toddler. She turned 16 in January. Brooke hasn't aged in the conventional sense. Dr. Richard Walker of the University of South Florida College of Medicine, in Tampa, says Brooke's body is not developing as a coordinated unit, but as independent parts that are out of sync. She has never been diagnosed with any known genetic syndrome or chromosomal abnormality that would help explain why. Brooke's hair and her nails are the only two things that grow, Howard said. 'She has pajamas and outfits that are 10 or 12 years old,' he said."
It just struck me reading that... it must really, REALLY suck being the first person to ever have a particular disease.
She must've drank from it by mistake. This is why Moms should be attentive of their children!
Seriously, age is a really interesting field to me, especially cognitive age. I really like how there are stages in raising a child that, if followed honestly, usually lead to children becoming very capable, healthy adults. What's even more interesting is what happens to a child should the development of any of those stages be tampered with.
This has all the markings of a fable where someone wishes to never get old. It is a very curious case indeed though. I wonder what the cause of diminished mental capacity might be?
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And it appears that, at 16, she still has the brains and skill set of an infant ... this is going to sound cruel, but without any more details, it sounds like a good argument for post-birth abortion. I mean, what's the point? At least "The Strange Case of Benjamin Button" had SOME growth of character.
Just very slowly. In the pictures it looks like features are developing but it's on a very, very slow pace. Maybe she might live to be 400 or 800 if her bone structure will remain supportive over time and her cells don't stop dividing like they do with 'normal' aging. I think the parents might already have tried it but she could probably learn to speak or at least communicate over the years - the brain of a toddler is very open to it (unless her brain plasticity has been aging).
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Wow...that is absolutely amazing...and she is so fortunate to have a family that sees the situation so positively...and who supports related research by the scientific community to see if there is a potential broader benefit here. Frankly, it must be tough for them at times, but I am sure that my wife would *love* it if our little girl never grew up. Thank goodness her sisters are supportive, because they will most likely need to take care of her in the future after her parents advance in age. Great stuff.
Here's the first page: http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Health/Story?id=7880954&page=1
Reaching adulthood and then preserving the body of a 20-year-old forever is one thing. This is quite something else.
It is not so much failure to age, as failure to grow/mature. It remains to be seen whether her abnormality will grant longer life span in practice.
Her body is not developing as a co-ordinated unit because her environment (humanity) isn't either. These kind of deviations within nature will continue to become more apparent as humans evolve. As long as we continue to grow egoistically, separated from one another, we will be as cancer cells rather than living tissue - working for the benefit of ourselves rather than each other. We are all complicit in her abnormality.
"In the absence of the ability to establish the attribute of truth they tried to establish the noble attributes."
"She has pajamas and outfits that are 10 or 12 years old,"
This is not normal! I can't keep my kids to make an outfit last for 10 or 12 months... sometimes the lifespan if clothing (especially blue jeans) can be measured in weeks.
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Aging is the result of accumulated bio-chemical damage and degeneration. While failure to grow does have some beneficial effect from on biological aging--e.g. both calorie restriction and growth-hormone deficiency appear to enhance lifespan, at least in mice--it is quite likely that this girl's condition was simply misreported.
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Years ago I read about this girl who was 19 and had never entered puberty (she had developed normally otherwise). Turns out there was a tumor blocking her pituitary gland. I'm sure they've done hundreds of tests so it can't be something like that but I was just reminded of that story.
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You kid, but this extreme case highlights the stupidity of using 'age' to determine someone's ability to make life-changing decisions.
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Perhaps I am the only one bothered by how abcnews.com has become a tabloid; here is the MSNBC story for the same, nicely packaged into a single page without news on people living in trees.
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Except for the one time where it was lupus.
High school girls stay the same age as well. Giggity giggity.
I'd rather you rationally disagree than irrationally agree.
not that i know a damn thing about endocrinology, but i would speculate that this failed therapy suggest that, as we all have receptors for various hormones, her body has no such receptors for HGH. if someone is born genetically male, but has no male secondary characteristics, then either:
1. his body produces no testosterone,
2. his body produces testosterone, but his body doesn't react to it
i would say that this girl, uh, young woman, has an incredibly rare, unique mutation: insensitivity to human growth hormone. it would explain all of her symptoms
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Some of her body part , like bone structure, are 10 years old. Thus it sounds doubtful she will reach the multi-centenarian age you cited. They tried to communicate with her , tried to teach her speaking but it failed. Anyway there is a rearrangement of the pharynx/larynx at the venerable age of 1/2 years old which is needed to be able to physically speak. Without it you can't. Maybe a doctor/biologist can chime in.
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Yes, but Jackson was into cute boys. She wouldn't have qualified.
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She has pajamas and outfits that are 10 or 12 years old,' he said.
That's nothing, I work in an office with some programmers who haven't changed their outfits in over twenty years.
If there is no aging decline.
So clearly an HGH deficiency isn't the (only) issue, it's that her HGH receptors don't respond to the hormone. But, to the best of my knowledge, that wouldn't account for a lack of mental development. This sounds like a combination of many factors coming together.
I'll have to take a look to see if there's anything written from a medical perspective (e.g., a journal paper) on this case. It could be interesting to hear what the doctors have to say, as opposed to what ABC News reports the poor mother has to say (projecting her wishes onto her daughter: thinking she's a rebellious teenager when really she's just an infant).
You are absolutely right, but I have yet to see a viable alternative.
As a possible fountain of youth.
So if this was your daughter, you would have just simply run down the street with her and stopped at every local newpaper and TV station and ask to have your life thrown out into the forefront of the world? Show a little respect! This must have taken years to come to grips with this. I can imagine searching high and low for any, ANY explaination of why is this happening to "my daugther". So, yeah, I think having this under wraps for 16 years is not without reason.
I watched the little blurb and noticed the "younger" sister. Can you imagine the pressure she must be under as a teenager seeing her "older" sister get all the attention and focus?
Power to her!
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Wow, this article is not what I expected in the slightest. Here I was thinking it was some hot 21-year-old girl who was gonna look 21 the rest of her life, and I was gonna show up here and say "Some guy is gonna be a super lucky husband!" But, uh...er... anyway, moving right along.
There is this girl/woman in Brazil, Maria Aldenete, who has similar syntoms. I couldn't find any info in English on her... She's 30 years old or so.
Sorry this doesn't fly with me...
So they have been shuttling her around in a baby carriage and crib for 16 years without ANYONE else but their doctor noticing?
Sorry no friggin way.
Has anyone considered that she might just be moving very close to the speed of light?
Looking through the slideshow, she does appear to be ageing in some ways even if she hasn't changed much physically. If she survived into old age I imagine she still would have wrinkly skin and white hair etc.
From the information available it looks like rather than not ageing, she hasn't grown up.
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You cannot use the example of a child with diminished mental capacity - who is thus incapable of giving legal consent, no matter what her age is - to attack the laws that prevent you from having sex with all the 14 year olds in your neighborhood who "totally look old enough to be 18!"
So, Justice Holmes, what criteria should we use to determine someone's ability to make these decisions instead? Surely you have an alternative system we could consider?
You kid, but this extreme case highlights the stupidity of using 'age' to determine someone's ability to make life-changing decisions.
In five more years she'll be old enough to drink!
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I have an aunt who was in her third trimester when she was in a car accident, and Dolly was born soon after with no apparent damage... except she never grew up. Dolly passed away a few years ago, at the age of 33, and weighed about 80 pounds - she did grow "up", but much slower than normal - she was 20 before she weighed 40 pounds, and never spoke a single intelligible word. She never matured mentally beyond around 6 months, and was always in a crib at all the family gatherings. Thankfully, I never had to change her diaper.
There are some differences, as Dolly did seem to physically mature, just very slowly - but the doctors didn't seem to think it was that phenomenal, just brain damage from the accident. She did have the same odd development that Megan's eyes have - the wandering eye, so to speak. (As opposed to my wandering eye, which is entirely a different sort of affliction.) :)
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That's okay, they'll just 'shop her head to an adult woman's body and fantasize about it.
Why isn't there an "insensitive" mod point?
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Her lack of mental development could be directly related to her lack of physical development, in that her brain is not physically developing to be able to learn and process information like everyone else's does. I'm by no means a doctor but I thought I'd throw that out there as a reasonable hypothesis.
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Uh, no it doesn't.
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If YOU rtfa, it says nothing of the sort.
And all i can think is what a great House MD episode would that be!
Also that "Greenberg syndrome" sounds nice.
But... the future refused to change.
Exactly, so she might have the cure for aging but they waited till now to publish the case? I know hospitals are slow, but man waiting 15+ years to get around to investigating a patient.
Don't ever go to this Dr Walker if you think you might have a terminal illness...you'll be dead by the time he runs the blood tests.
Hell If this was real pharmaceutical companies would be tossing bags of cash in her parent's window in exchange for a couple of blood cells.
If *you*'d rtfa, you'd find out that her brain has the capacity of a toddler. So, no 16 year old mind.
A good education is a bit like a STD - it makes you unsuitable for a lot of jobs and gives you a desire to spread it.
perhaps a large conglomerate could claim intellectual property on this mutation, and mass produce cute little baby pets that never grow up and become surly teenagers. perhaps you could even clone yourself, and have a little pet baby you to waddle around in diapers and make cute cooing noises. when the novelty wears off and they become a hassle, just leave them by the side of the road, like people always do with golden retriever puppies at the end of the summer and such*
*this post brought to you in an attempt to offend every shred of ethics you have
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You make it sound like drm.
DRM is a feature, not a bug. Without it it would be difficult for content industries as a whole to adapt to changing environment.
So in two years she'll be 18...But still look like shes 3. Uh oh, better watch out for pedo bear.
In a couple of years, when she turns 18, would nudes of her be child porn? Eh?
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But maybe with her "normal" growth is considered damage and thus "fixed".
Just like the brain tumour that appeared and vanished, any parts that try to go "next stage" get repaired.
Call McCoy, or we all become grups.
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Damn, she's going to be at a tremendous disadvantage come the Gathering.
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As seen in Fig. 6, the subject's PBMC telomere length at 13 years of age was significantly shorter than that of an age-matched female control as well as male and female controls of younger ages. While variability in average telomere length exists between individuals, the low subject values are probably not due to errors in measurement since the coefficients of variation were sufficiently low to assume adequate precision. Although the subject's telomeres were nearly half the length of a healthy, age-matched female control, this comparison in and of itself does not prove that her cellular age is advanced beyond that of the normal girl. However, an important observation relevant to this difference is that there occurs a precipitous loss of telomere length during early life after which a plateau period is reached (Frenck et al., 1998). As a result, telomere length in newborns is longer on average than that in adolescents so that comparison of the subject's telomeres with newborn controls would be expected to provide more reliable estimate of her cellular age range. For example, significant shortening would be expected if her cellular age proceeded as usual despite her severe developmental delay whereas longer telomeres would suggest that her cellular aging was delayed consistent with that of her somatic development. However, this was not the case. Subject's telomeres were considerably shorter than those of both infant controls as well as the age-matched control suggesting that her cellular age was advanced beyond infancy. Since the rate of telomeric shortening is substantially greater in infants than in adults (Zeichner et al., 1999), subject's prolonged infancy may have caused her to have shorter telomeres than age-matched controls. In addition, accelerated telomeric shortening has been reported in developmentally abnormal conditions including progeroid syndromes (Kruk et al., 1995). These circumstances may have resulted in her cellular age being appropriate for or perhaps even greater than her chronological age. Consistent with other reports showing a lack of telomerase (telomere terminal transferase) expression in human dermal fibroblasts from children (Oâ(TM)Donnell et al., 2008), subject's fibroblasts were telomerase negative. This fact suggests that possible enhancement of telomeric erosion did not stimulate compensatory increases in enzyme activity.
Pulled from: Richard F. Walker, Lawrence C. Pakula, Maxine J. Sutcliffe, Patricia A. Kruk, Jesper Graakjaer, Jerry W. Shay, A case study of 'disorganized development' and its possible relevance to genetic determinants of aging, Mechanisms of Ageing and Development, Volume 130, Issue 5, May 2009, Pages 350-356, ISSN 0047-6374, DOI: 10.1016/j.mad.2009.02.003.
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I don't really know the specifics though. I knew a guy who was 20, but looked like a 12-year old. He had had cancer at a young age, and (as he explained) he hadn't really grown since. He was also a pathological liar, and quite immature as well, so I'm not certain how much of his story was truth.
Were I reading this as a fantasy or sci-fi book, I'd say her power sounds more like healing than anti-aging.
Even when they gave her growth hormones she just stayed the same, and she grew a brain tumor then healed it. This kind of thing (Developing a serious problem then healing it on her own) has happened throughout her young life.
Her body just seems to resist any change at all.
...he's looking for a little recognition. Seriously, has no one ever read, watched, or heard of Der Blechtrommel (The Tin Drum)?
It's about a little boy who decides not to grow up and his body doesn't age. IT WON THE FREAKING NOBEL PRIZE FOR LITERATURE!!!
Geez, you people.
"fit to the last detail"?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primordial_dwarf has descriptions of various forms of PD, none of which seem to match very well.
It just struck me reading that... it must really, REALLY suck being the first person to ever have a particular disease.
What if we have it backwards?
What if she is the first person not to have the disease we all have and that she is aging but really really slow?
So in 100 years she will have the body of an 18 year old?!
I mean if you think about it, old age is a disease.
Man, that is deep. I mean really deep.
In a sea full of people asking the question about the small glass being half full or half empty, you're the one running around with a pitcher.
I'll forgo for now the question of "should we" and jump into possibility:
Are there any known methods for speeding or artificially stimulating the production of myelin? If, for example, she reaches the physical age of 16, even if she's chronologically 40, I'd image that the extended lifespan with normal mental capabilities would be somewhat impressive (assuming slow physical "ageing" means longer chronological lifestyle).
Except for the one time where it was lupus.
You're just crying wolf.
Set your phasers on "funky"!
My understanding of these laws is that the wasn't a burden to prove the age of the individual in question, which would save the police trying to track down children on the basis of photos alone.
That being said, I believe there is still some basis for the provable age of a person on the part of the defence. Say if a 21-yr-old had pictures of his girlfriend, who could possibly be under-age, but was provable as 18+ at the time of the photograph. Still, it could probably be a pretty dicey scenario with certain cases, for example, many Asian females are perceived by others to be younger than their physical age. I suppose that's where reasonable doubt comes in.
However, whatever the case of consent may be, involvement with somebody who is physically a toddler, even if she had a mental capacity akin to her chronological age, would be pretty dicey. Perhaps if she were in physically at least an age of pubescence and chronologically/mentally an adult it might be even more dicey, as at that time she would not only have the mental capacity to consent, but also the mental/physical maturity, and the physical "drive" to do so. Perhaps it's a good think that her mental capacity seems somewhat closely tied to her age, so that the reasoning falls among other people with mental capacities below their age.
The 'child' is a primordial dwarf. Her symptoms fit to the last detail.
This story has done time on Digg and Fark already, probably several other sites as well, and it seems everywhere large numbers of non-doctors can use Google to compare her symptoms to a RARE but known medical condition. The poor kid's doctors either don't know how to research or are otherwise incompetent.
Or maybe, just a wild thought here, maybe they have a slightly better insight into her symptoms, having actually examined her and seen her test results, and they have already ruled that out for reasons which your cursory diagnosis, based on reading an ABCnews article and several minutes of medical training, missed.
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i mean superficially, the answer is definitely no. but perhaps at some other level of early development it does
or, alternately, maybe her mutation is in some previously unknown, deeper biological pathway. a deep growth superswitch pathway that controls HGH reception/release AND whatever governs brain development
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There was a TV programme about someone who had a car crash, spent 20 years in a coma then woke up one day. Presumably by your language, you already know about that, right? And every other unusual case like this?
Are you sure it's not you who's full of shit?
Right....because "large numbers of non-doctors" have done two minutes' poking around on Google, and decided that they can now speak with authority on a subject they've never heard of until five minutes ago, therefore the kid's doctors are incompetent.
(scowl... limp... vicodin chomp)
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
A child who never grows up. Haven't we had enough stories about Michael Jackson?
the mutation would be not in the HGH pathway, but in some pathway ABOVE the HGH pathway that governs the HGH pathway and a bunch of other growth pathways, like brain development. some deeper aspect of growth initiation, some sort of growth "superswitch" this girl has given us unique insight into
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How is sex a life-changing decision? I'm 23, I've done it once.
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In the old days, the sick and disabled died due to unpreventable natural causes. Today, we're able to save their lives, although perhaps not reverse disability. In the future, reversing disabilities will be as common as life saving treatment is today. I think it's perfectly rational to keep people in deep comas or children who age improperly around in the hope that they might be cured. In the long run, there are vastly fewer people in this category than the entire population, so it's not a measurable drain on society. To me, it seems like a reasonable tradeoff. Occasionally you get surprising results like Ambien waking people up from certain types of comas. If the child in this story were able to get a treatment allowing her to start growing normally, would you still consider euthanasia the right choice? What if there's a 50% probability of such a treatment developing within the next 20 or 30 years when it would still be viable to treat her?
Episode Eight, season four the solution ended up being Lupus.
Ah, I see your problem. For it to be life-changing, there usually needs to be more than one person involved.
Actually, it's XKCD.
could be a consequence of this superswitch turning off a whole bunch of things, not just whether or not hgh is produced. perhaps her body has always produced hgh? the superswitch might only govern response to hgh, not hgh production. or it might govern both, or a whole bunch of other developmental issues and causes and effects. not responding to hgh is just one small piece i bet of the puzzle. but the bizarre thing is to find someone with a mutation in this one hypothetical superswitch
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Why isn't there an "insensitive" mod point?
Would that be +1 or -1 ?
and no receptors
as if something far deeper and of greater consequence was being switched off
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In Brazil there is a case of a 29 years old woman with the same "disease". The TV program that showed her is very sensationalist, the case is real. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3THlCV9hXTw (it's in Portuguese, but you are not missing much)
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That's highly unlikely. There are basic reasons why we age, which boil down to the laws of physics and our relationship with energy. A good read (albeit highly technical) can be found here, where ageing is put in a cellular context. One of the ideas: our cells age, and yet they give rise to young structures (babies are born very young, but their parents are not young). This process allows us to be "immortal" by spawning off copies. Bacteria make exact copies, we make mixed copies. "Natural selection and immortality" http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pubmed&pubmedid=18720024
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it dissolve.
The 'child' is a primordial dwarf. Her symptoms fit to the last detail.
This story has done time on Digg and Fark already, probably several other sites as well, and it seems everywhere large numbers of non-doctors can use Google to compare her symptoms to a RARE but known medical condition. The poor kid's doctors either don't know how to research or are otherwise incompetent.
Uh, yeah... specialists at hospitals and universities just don't have the knowledge and skills you do. They apparently can't use teh Google to discover that the child's symptoms fit primordial dwarfism "to the last detail." Of course, the reason they can't is because... well, because her symptoms don't fit primordial dwarfism to the last detail.
Maybe the "incompetent" doctors have read about primordial dwarfism and know that there are five or six types of primordial dwarfism. Seckel syndrome can be immediately rejected because the child does not have microcephaly. The fact that she's non-microcephalic also reduces the probability that she has MOPD1 or MOPD2 (Majewski Osteodysplastic Primordial Dwarfism types 1 and 2). Since her bone structure is not abnormal in the ways expected from MOPD1 and MOPD2 (short vertebrae, long clavicles, bowed femora ("femurs"), and hip dislocation for MOPD1; dislocations of joints in the elbows, knees and hips and scoliosis for MOPD2), those two are out the window. The fact that none of the articles say she has no corpus callosum also makes it very improbable that she has MOPD2. As for Meier-Gorlin syndrome, the fact that she has kneecaps eliminates that possibility. I've seen MOPD3 mentioned, but not described in detail; it may or may not be completely accepted as a separate category of PD.
At Primordial Dwarfism dot com, there is information about sending kids with PD to school. If you take a lot of it (y'know, doing a Google search or something, like you claimed her "incompetent" doctors can't do), it becomes really clear that their brain development is very, very different from that of Brooke Greenberg. Brooke at 16 has the mind of a toddler, and a good deal of that appears to stem largely from the fact that her brain does not appear to have aged in a way even similar to normal. Individuals with primordial dwarfism tend to have squeaky voices, among other things, but their cognitive development, even when there are problems, is a lot different from the descriptions of Brooke Greenberg's cognitive development (or total lack thereof, apart from the projection of wishes by family members, identifying her toddler-ish behavior as being that of a "rebellious teenager").
Other than short stature, Brooke's symptoms really aren't at all similar to those of any of the varieties of primordial dwarfism, and yet you claimed they fit "to the last detail." I'd like to know on what that conclusion was based.
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Ok, what if I "believe" the photo is from her at age 18. Does that make this all ok?
I don't know, ask the jury.
No, it is occasionally lupus. But it's never sarcoidosis. That's the one that ALWAYS comes up.
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too long; can't be bothered reading more of your nonsense.
"Osteodysplastic Primordial Dwarfism, Type II (ODPDII)
Those who have ODPDII often have further medical issues than the other types such as a squeaky voice, microdontia, widely spaced primary teeth, poor sleep patterns (in early years), delayed mental development, frequent sickness, breathing problems, eating problems, hyperactivity, farsightedness, and do not respond to hormone therapy because primordial dwarfism is not caused by a lack of any growth hormone. After reviewing x-rays it is also found that many have dislocated joints, scoliosis, and delayed bone age as well as microcephaly. They will not reach the size of an average newborn until they are between the ages of 3-5. "
Hmm... doesn't sound AT ALL like this girl, does it? I mean, the slow growth, microcephaly, breathing problems, eating problems, doesn't respond to hormone therapy. What the quoted Wikipedia item doesn't mention is another match - bones that appear much younger than they are.
In short, IT MATCHES. Thanks to the ignoramouses who flamed me and those who modded me down without, you know, doing some checking first.
Sounds like Anne Poole.
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That is all.
Just out of curiosity, because the more I think of this story, the more it smells like something where it's going to turn out to be a hoax. Maybe even one of those deals where there's all sorts of obvious stuff that should have been checked like birth records, et al.
I could be wrong, but it smells funny.
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At the very least, you might consider that sometime before she dies a doctor might figure out how to unlock the processes of development?
And, maybe, becoming able to talk, she'll be able to talk about all the things that she's had to put up with?
I know it's a long shot, but, maybe her telling us about her unique experience would provide us with clues to the more difficult questions about certain of the so-called soft sciences?
I mean, these are just extensions of the stock arguments about taking utilitarian social theory too far. Are you completely unfamiliar with that?
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Since I have to have some text here, I'll explain what shouldn't be necessary.
Do you feel as if you were your parents' toy?
If so, it's not an uncommon experience.
Computer memory is just fancy paper, CPUs just fancy pens with fancy erasers; the 'net is just a fancy backyard fence.
I've feared this since I was 18yrs old... (I'm 56 now) ... that they'd figure out how to stop aging about the time I turn 60 or 70 ----- instead of when I was say 33 or 35 .... sheeet
What's the age of consent where she lives? There are countries where it's 15, she is already past that age. But she isn't able to speak yet, she may simply not be able to consent, in which case it would be rape. AFAIK rape is illegal in all of the western world. If she was able to consent and take money for it, that would be prostitution, which is illegal in a lot of countries as well.
Do you care about the security of your wireless mouse?
Isolate the genes from this girl and send people out to populate mars or the moon on one way trips. Imagine uninterrupted lifetimes spent exploring the stars. She's just like Wolverine just a bit smaller.
If large numbers of non-doctors using Google had any reliability at all, real doctors would have been out of business years ago.
I hate to break it to you, but it's possible the situation is little more complex than something that can be diagnosed by reading a news article and doing a web search.
You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
Wow, APK. You sure are getting testy. Why the harsh language? Or is it wishful thinking on your part?
You're replying to the wrong article, moron. Get stuffed.
Don't see anybody else signing their posts "APK" around here but you, so it must be you.
I'm going to start linking to that comment as proof of how much of an ignorant, hurtful troll you are - when bested in debate, you resort to calling people names. Very déclassé.
Reading comprehension. It's wildly exciting, you should try it.
Why are your "P.S." blocks longer than the actual comment? Are you that dim-witted that you don't understand what P.S. means?
Seriously - get a grip. You're continuing to troll in a thread that's completely unrelated to this discussion. You're not convincing anyone of anything with all this endless prattling on.
I've already proven my point, and shown you for the complete charlatan that you are. Stop dragging it out, you just make yourself look foolish.
You're right, Alexander. I'll just ignore you! You have nothing of import to share, you just like to rant about unrelated topics for no good reason.
Thanks for the reminder, I shouldn't have tried to reason with you, I know from seeing previous conversations you've been involved with that reason & logic are impossible for you to comprehend.
I have already proven that Mac OS X is more secure, by default, than Windows. I have shown that it requires less crippling of system functionality to secure. I have shown that the remaining vulnerabilities for Mac OS in Secunia are all non-issues if you have taken standard network security measures.
You have ignored all of that though, because it's inconvenient to the fiction you cling to that you're right. You are wrong, I have demonstrated it, you have continued to troll and ignore any evidence that shows you are wrong.
There is nothing further that can be said to you on the subject.
You have to manually disable playing of .avi files, and then if you wish to play them, you have to go through a ridiculous scanning or conversion process. I consider that crippled. Your "fixes" for many of the other fixes also included unregistering dll's or changing permissions on them in such a way that they probably will also break functionality elsewhere in the system. That is crippling the software.
I've already told you: don't do stupid shit. Don't open and run scripts from sources you don't run. There is no "fix" for tricking a user into doing something stupid, and Windows is just as much at risk as Mac OS is in that regard, perhaps more so with so many services running with administrator level permissions.
I've answered all of these questions for you previously, and in detail. Why do you keep demanding I repeat them?
Once again you ignore the proof I've offered and cite *your* ignorance as proof that I'm wrong.
You're hopeless. As I've said previously, enjoy dicking around with your crippled system. I'll be doing something useful and productive on mine.
Thanks for confirming that I'm right with yet another long-winded bit of nonsense.
Your attempt to disprove me has failed, and it's clear that you know you're wrong - you keep citing one person, this "Thronka", who is probably you, who claims they're secure. Out of the millions of Windows boxes out there, just that one?
Stop shilling for Microsoft, troll. You're not convincing anyone, and you have no basis for your claims.
You cannot play videos without some ridiculous manual workaround. I consider that unusable. Would you consider your car in good working order if you had to climb in through the trunk because the locks were broken?
Q.E.D.
Why would I be trying to save face? I've shown you to be incorrect and completely wrong on all counts. Your system is, by default, more insecure than a mac. That simple fact has been demonstrated to you repeatedly using your own treasured Secunia data.
I know it stings, APK, but you'll survive and be stronger for it someday.
yawn. One trick ponies are boring.
Come on APK, give it up. You're just typing random shit into a browser, none of it makes sense, and you're not convincing anybody. I notice in another thread you've been modded down as an off-topic troll pretty thoroughly, too - maybe I can start talking about how you're modded troll, offtopic, redundant, and all kinds of other nasty stuff, too, in an attempt to discredit your lame points?
You are modded down because you're a troll. You get few mod-ups because you're a troll. See the pattern?
you have nothing useful to contribute, so you get modded down as off-topic, troll, redundant, overrated, and every other -1 mod.
As far as your claim that I'm the one down-modding you, well, that's patently absurd, as my policy is to only mod people up - I ignore the posts (such as yours) that are obvious trolls, or who have nothing to add when I have mod points. I believe in putting my name behind my posts, because I have a good name. You hide behind the shield of an AC because you know you'd quickly be banned from Slashdot with your obnoxious trolling.