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The Chinese Route To a Web Free of Porn
An anonymous reader writes "Despite repeated 'for the children' campaigns, the Western Web as a whole has provided little or no isolation of pornography. This is why the Chinese are now attempting to march to a place where no country has been before: a Web without porn. Recent regulations have included closing down 'vulgar' mobile sites, disconnecting 'obscene' servers, and restricting domain registrations. Yet the breaking news for Monday is that China is planning to enforce a whitelist on foreign domains: in particular, any e-commerce will have to register locally and obey Chinese law before they get whitelisted. Domains will otherwise be 'irresolvable' to Chinese Internet users. Meanwhile, the government is promoting this campaign heavily, calling it a 'fresh start.' It seems the Chinese may have to do without the Internet, before they can rid it of porn."
The Chinese Route to Web of Free Porn?
Yet the breaking news for Monday is that the China is planning to enforce a whitelist on foreign domains: in particular, any e-commerce will have to register locally and obey Chinese law before they get whitelisted.
Where does it say that? Citation needed!
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So that takes care of wikipedia.org or are they censoring en.wikipedia.org differently than zh.wikipedia.org? Because while an English versus Chinese article may be more "culturally sensitive," there's still some unavoidable images no matter how different they are from the original. If they've never had to deal with the artwork versus pornography issue, they're soon going to discover that banning National Geographic for images of unclothed peoples is just not educationally sound.
Looks like we've got a new amusingly painful chapter ahead of us for Chinese internet users.
As a side note, I don't know if we ended up covering this story but citizens apparently can't register domains anymore either.
My work here is dung.
If you get rid of the porn, what do you need the internet for?
Might as well remove all the salt in the ocean while they're at it.
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Pornography may be naked people having sex, or it may be sites critical of the government.
Oh no, this is actually about pornography. The government of China already openly and unabashedly censors political content it doesn't approve of.
Fresh start today. Hundreds of fresh young....
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No no no, Don't give Conroy and the religious nuts behind the Australian 'Clean Feed' any ideas. They've already done enough damage
This is a terrible mistake on the Chinese government's part. Just because every ruling party member likely looked at pornography as a child and became terrible people does not mean that every person who sees pornography in their childhood will grow up to be just as cold, calculating, and authoritarian.
So China institutes a one-child-per-family policy. Due to social and traditional reasons, male children are far preferred. As a result, the population is already skewed male, and continuing to trend that way.
Now China's blocking the porn? How do they plan on dealing with the ah, excess males? Send them off to war?
Afer a thorough review, being very careful to make sure that there is absolutely no sexual connotation whatsoever, we have determined that all but the following are prohibited:
Binary 1. No. Dammit. OK. Zero. Dammit!!! Nevermind.
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
I only use the internet to spread dissonant lies about my government and to look at porn. ...
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I swear, the first time I looked at your post, the attribution to Jefferson in your sig got mis-assigned to the whole post, leading to a very "wtf" moment...
The person who brought this story up is an idiot if they believe this is all about "porn." Yes, in the Tianamen Square incident a lot of people got screwed, but I would not call it "porn." Anyone want to take bets about how many sites concerning that particular obscenity will get blocked by these new initiatives? "Porn" my ass. It is about control. Plain and simple. Control to let the evil murdering bastards that run that country continue to do so. period.
Glad I live in Australia, where freedom of speech rules and the population wouldn't put up with this bullshit. Oh wait ...
Repress the fuckin' - Repress the people.
Why are they so obsessed with blocking porn? Are they really that prudish? And I though the US were the ultimate prudes (and hypocrites) when it came to sex.
It doesn't hurt anyone or break down society as near as I can tell. Plus, you can't stop the natural human natural instincts which hormones produce, short of requiring all men to take drugs to suppress the desire (Half-Life 2's suppression field anyone?)
The ONLY reason I can see for their obsessiveness with blocking porn is that it can be used as the basis for developing the technology and infrastructure necessary to block whatever it is they want. In other words, porn is used as a scapegoat for setting up the measures which can then be used to block other things, the stuff the Chinese Government ACTUALLY feels threatened about...
The web's pretty much all full of free porn.
since they gave us the phrase, "as hard as Chinese arithmetic"
Neo-cons? You mean like Dick Chen-yi?
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China (and the rest of the world to a lesser extent) is slowly moving away from the "default accept" ideology of the free, open internet and towards a network where only approved devices can connect. Slashbots will rave and foam at the mouth about that "censorship is interpreted as damage" meme but it's sadly out of date. The Chinese can and will control what filth reaches their people. Sure, VPNs will be there...for a while at least...but the average Zhou won't bother with it.
It's hard for a lot of bicoastal Americans to understand - and even more difficult for transnational progressivist Europeans - but the Chinese people really do love their country. And their country has one government, which is the best government China has ever had. Ever since Deng Xiaoping ditched university Marxism and took the Communist Party on the capitalist road ("socialism is not poverty / to get rich is glorious") life has only gotten better in China. For all the bad press the Chinese government gets, they really are trying to do right, by their own standards. The problem arises when blinkered Westerners insist on judging China by "universal" standards. In fact, these "universal standards" have their roots in the Enlightenment...which China didn't have.
Aaah, kinda lost my point there. Anyhow, I'm no panda hugger but you simply have to put yourself in their shoes. A mere seventeen years ago socialism couldn't even provide clean drinking water and now China is the world's largest market for Rolls-Royce automobiles. This doesn't mean that the Communist Party of China will be relinquishing power anytime soon, though. They still maintain control over the economy via the allocation and issuance of business licenses and the denial of debilitating foreign influences, such as pornography.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
Like everything in China, the rules are often ignored. Many ISPs sell "VPN" connections to unfiltered Internet. They are taking advantage of a loophole that allows private WANs to connect to networks outside China.
Only boring people are ever bored.
I'll bet SSH tunneling will be illegal, and will be considered evidence on its face that you are Up To Something. I wonder what the penalty will be.
On the other hand, the Chinese government does like money, and lack of SSL would make it rather hard to move money around via the Internet.
Either way, this is going to be about as successful as Prohibition was in the USA.
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It might be a coming of age thing in an authoritarian government. A bit like the gangster who has to kill someone to prove themselves to the organisation. To be in the Chinese government you have to be Against Something. And you have to Stop Something.
Its a bit like that in the multinational company I work for. New managers prove their ability by Stopping Stuff or Starting Stuff. Not always for good reasons. But the reasons are less important than the strengthening of the "us and them" configuration.
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dissonant lies about my government.
Oh, come on, your lies just need to get a little rhythm....
I think it is time for some Western (particularly U.S.) corporations to man up, "do less evil", and tell China to put it where the sun doesn't shine.
Let them grow up ignorant, with half an internet. It's their choice.
Mods, this is supposed to be funny and/or flaimbait.
Wow. Insightful? Really?
Well played, Anenome, well played.
obviously no deficiencies vs. no obvious deficiencies
http://www.asciipr0n.com/pr0n/pinups.html
is that with China, there's no pandering talk about "freedom" and "civil liberties." Chinese citizens know exactly what's up, whereas your average American still thinks they have freedom.
You think this is a provocative claim? It's not. The way the state deals with internet regulation is a perfect illustration. In China, you are forcibly blocked, end of story. Simple, efficient. In the US, law enforcement doesn't stop you outright, but instead they track you only to prosecute your ass later. Massive amounts of data are collected on you, whether it is by companies or by the state. The only real "freedom" your average American citizen has is the freedom to incriminate themselves, which, under the capitalist system, means complete financial destruction.
Honestly, you are screwed in either country. It's just that the Chinese government is more open about how they're screwing you.
It's not just the communists that get a hardon from making gay folk into some kind of second-class citizenry....
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In six years, this will be the whole internet, everywhere. They'll probably just stick it into ACTA.
To further lower fertility rate, I'd suggest redirecting every porn request to "2 girls 1 cup" video.
Oh no, this is actually about pornography. The government of China already openly and unabashedly censors political content it doesn't approve of.
Yeah, with a lead-based filtering system.
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It's likely to be worse than just the government officials, having a couple tens of millions of unmarried men with no prospect of a mate and no gratification outlet is the recipe for a very bloody war. It could end up being civil but it's much more likely that someone bright in the power structure will see the mounting problem and turn that naked aggression outwards.
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"There were even organizations such as the Junior Anti-Sex League, which advocated complete celibacy for both sexes. All children were to be begotten by artificial insemination (artsem, it was called in Newspeak) and brought up in public institutions. The Party was trying to kill the sex instinct, or, if it could not be killed, then to distort it and dirty it. He did not know why this was so, but it seemed natural that it should be so." George Orwell, 1984
Wow, China got me just what I wanted for Christmas! I've said for years that China should be disconnected from the rest of the internet. That would solve sooooo many problems! And now they're basically doing it themselves. This is awesome!
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No, it's obviously not. It's about control. By saying it's "for the children" they can erect far broader controls, and enforce whitelists, rather than attempting to pursue criminally or politically active people. The difference in the availability of political, religious, artistic, and even scientific information that might offend the party in power is profound.
One might expect Facebook, Google, and other vendors trying to expand their Chinese markets to comply immediately. But genuinely useful sites like Wikileaks will refuse, and thus will be blocked, and accessing them will be illegal.
You do realize that your sig uses "begs the question" wrongly, don't you ?
Rather hypocritical for a sig that's making a statement about grammar and vocabulary I thought...
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If everyone is getting their porn off the internet then who is buying porn from the DVD vendors on the street or paying patronage to the brothels^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H I mean karaoke bars.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
So you're going to make other parts of the Internet who want to do business with you follow your laws for businesses? I'm not really sure why thats supposed to be a bad thing.
Honestly, I'd be fine with that for the US really. 99.9% of the population would be fine with it, not that many people buy outside the country anyway, and you'd drastically cut down on the usefulness of spam links to exploiting websites since they are either easy to cut off if they are repeat offenders or simply go after if they are in the country.
Personally, I'd love for several countries to disconnect from the Internet. You realize how much spam alone would go away if China not only restricted access to what they could view from the rest of the world, but also restricted what they could SEND to the rest of the world?
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Because none of that happens is the good, god-fearing, democratic west now does it.
The only difference is that western politicians ban such things for God or the Children, Eastern politicians simply offer no excuse.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
The Chinese government is just got tired to block every page against it on Internet. So it decided to simply close it!
One province had lost Internet Connection for more than 8 months and this is just the beginning.
Does that mean no more Chinese botnets sending spam from compromised machines, since domains won't be resolvable? Will IP's be valid? /confuzzled
First thing they do is kill the most innovative parts of the web that have the most cash flow. We've got nothing to worry about communism spreading. Their populations will be clamoring for western entertainment for centuries to come. What shall we expect from them next? Paying for delivery of DVD rentals instead of downloading it from Netflix? Or using horses for urban transportation?
I'm sorry, I don't understand why this is a good thing. What's wrong with pornography?
Honestly, you are screwed in either country. It's just that the Chinese government is more open about how they're screwing you.
If you think that the US and China are anything alike in terms of liberties, you're totally insane and unfamiliar with the last few decades of history.
Maybe you should lay off the boulevard press and get an education.
I'm fairly sure that if they took all the porn off the Internet, there'd only be 1 website left and it would be called "Bring Back The Porn"
Nothing is wrong with pornography ; however political information is sensitive and should be controlled, obviously.
The Chinese government is breeding a resistance movement, I do not think it can work, but if it does this is very bad news for everybody.
Should I be worried? Is it a freudian slip? And why is there such a big deal about freudian's underwear? Any pics of it?
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
Kids used to grow up on farms. Do you think the farm animals were trained to refrain from the facts of life just because a kid was around?
For that matter, kids used to sleep in the same room as their parents and since lots of families had lots of kids, the facts of life went on right beside them.
Puritan, you are doing it right.
You would give cows trousers to hide their shame if you could.
Kids are a lot less fragile then people think. But a lot of people like you seem to want to make up for parenting skills (have a full first aid kit and kisses to make the pain go away) with over-protectiveness. Childhood is a time for training for adulthood and this includes kids playing house and slowly learning that boys and girls got different bits and one day that may be important. But most young kids, if they are not ready to be interested simply ain't interested. I have dealt with young kids (6) and they think the whole deal has an appeal roughly equal to politics. Just allow them to experience the world and be ready to correct any misconceptions. But you are NOT going to stop them from seeing the cat from what comes naturally (hump the rabbit the wrong way around) because that is part of growing up.
A kid who googles vagina is ready to learn about it. You just ain't ready to talk to him about it on his terms and so you wish the entire world to be shut down because you still giggle at something we all been through. Grow up and face your responsibilities as a parent.
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
Yeah, because the US is the bastion of freedom for homo-sexuals. Tell me again in wich nation the people voted to make homosexuals 2nd class citizens?
Sometimes you got to think a little bit clearer before you comment. And China is pretty open about homosexual rights because they are not christians and as such do not have the WESTERN view that it is a sin.
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
I think the Chinese should call good ol' Steve and ask how to do it.
Just imagine, one big happy App Store China.
From the nation that brought us tubgirl and eel soup. Oh, the hypocrisy!
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Speaking of asian porn. The funniest porno I have ever seen, Crouching woman, hidden boner
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General references to communism in terms of the left/right spectrum just miss the point. The communists in eastern europe and china are/were very conservative and reactionary in many if not most ways.
It just shows that the left/right thinking is just not a very good way to distinguish political beliefs in the real world.
collapse under its own weight. No matter how many IOU's it has from the USA, the Communist Party of China only remains in power as long as it has a booming economy. The present economic miracle in China is a very recent phenomena and mostly results from the simple arithmetic of raising living standards from nothing to something which always appears to be a large increase. When the economic bubble bursts (and it will) the various factions within the CP and the Red Army will carve their own piece of the Chinese pie to the exclusion of all other interests. By that time, the great firewall and this nonsense won't make any difference.
Then Ikea will invade.
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Hopefully a non-violent one?
Too late mate. Social unrest in China is ONLY growing. Remember that all rights are won on the battle field.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/8425119.stm
It's a common myth that the Chinese are mostly atheists. The vast majority are actually monotheistic.
They believe in their preternatural and divine creators; the state.
in a democracy, the people's agenda becomes the government's agenda on a regular basis. in china, and other authoritarian systems, what the government's agenda is is not necessarily what the people's agenda is. so you can't speak of what the chinese people want as you do above, you can only speak of what some grumpy technocrats in beijing want
of course many chinese people have faith in their technocrats. that's easy for the technocrats to have in good times. the technocrats have delivered on a massive economic success by throwing out the communism in Communism. but when times get tough, which is inevitable, the people will grow disillusioned, and when they do, they will have their own ideas about what their government should do. if china were a democracy, the people's disappointments will find solace in a new regime and a new diktat. but when they are looking at the same grumpy old men after a decade of stagflation or whatever, there is massive growth in social instability. its inevitable
on that basis, it is perfectly valid for anyone outside the country to judge the chinese government and find it defective, and most importantly, to find it defective IN THE NAME OF the chinese people. it would not be valid for an outsider to criticize the chinese government if it were a democracy. if china were a democracy, you would have to say you are criticizing china, or criticizing the chinese people. but right now, when i criticize the chinese government, i am in no way criticizing the people, simply because the chinese government is not composed of the will of the chinese people, only the will of a small cadre in beijing
its a constant problem people have when talking about china, or iran, or other authoritarian regimes: when the government does something, and outsiders criticize that policy, it is not valid to say "how dare you, this is what the chinese want", or "you have no right, this is what the iranians want". no: its what a small elite want in those countries. which is not necessarily what the people themselves want. like in iran right now, and like it will be in china someday when the economy stops growing. there's a disconnect in nondemocracies there that you need to recognize
since china is not a democracy, you can't talk about what china is, or what china wants. you can only talk about what the chinese government is, and the chinese government wants. that's the essential defect with nondemocracies, and why they inevitably fail: the agenda of the government and the agenda of the people eventually part ways and stray apart, often during tough times (which china is not in now, but all countries go through tough times)
what you see in iran does not happen in democracies. because the government is what the people actually want, because the government actually consulted the will of the people in a vote. there's no massive anger on the streets. oh sure, there's anger in democracies, always, in all countries. but if the democracy is genuinely functioning, then that anger is the minority of people, not the majority. the vote is the pressure release valve that nondemocracies don't have. in nondemocracies, that pressure can only grow. you can't ever get rid of malcontent, in any society. but only in a genuinely functioning democracy can you minimize it below the threshold of revolution and rioting and unrest
democracies, for all of their messiness, provide something far more important than anything the chinese government provides: legitimacy. "i am the legitimate representation of the will of the people": only a democracy can say this. the chinese government cannot say this. it doesn't matter how much propaganda they churn out, the truth is the truth: the will of the chinese people is not consulted, therefore, the chinese government is illegitimate
on that basis, it is perfectly valid for outsiders to criticize the chinese government, and most importantly, to criticize it in the name of the chinese people. the chinese government is a representation of the will of a bunch of grumpy technocrats. not a superior substitute for the people's will, ever, in any country, in any time
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Sorry, the rule that foreign e-commerce web sites have to register with the Chinese authorities and hosting porn is illegal has been around for many years. It was part of the law when I lived there over 5 years ago, and the "porn" excuse was well known cover for cracking down on politically sensitive issues. Nothing that I can see is new or interesting in this report that was not just as true 5 years ago.
Moderators are letting a lot of crap slip through these days.
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Smash all the cameras.
I didn't say anything about the left-right spectrum. I just asked why commies in particular have a thing for sexual hang-ups. Most totalitarian strains at least try to mix it up. With communism it's a surefire thing.
Also, it was kind of a half joke.
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It's simple, really. We could have a web free of porn, too, if we were willing to give up free speech and expression of ideas. Once you start censoring 'porn' (which is defined, how, exactly?) then it's easy to start censoring other things as well. Western culture, at least the US/Canada, values the free speech idea more than the porn-free possibility. I think most Australians also value free speech, but I wonder about the people they seem to elect... I don't know about the average Chinese person. I think they've lived with totalitarian communist rule for so long, they're used to the government controlling many aspects of their lives, and as long as they're being controlled, they might as well get the 'benefit' of not having to deal with 'porn' online. Of course, that doesn't speak to what they need to do if they WANT 'porn'...
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...of Falun Gong, Chinese democracy advocates and other such irritants. I'm sure everyone will be relieved.
Who wants a web free of porn?
Oh, the UK already started. Though when they realised they couldn't censor, they just criminalised possession instead - of what they consider "extreme" material (i.e., it only affects a minority of people, so they can get a way with it). Liz Longhurst should piss off to China, she'd find it a much nicer place, and where murders obviously never happen as there are no non-Government approved images for potential criminals to look at.
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".. they are pushing for their members to not run multiple candidates, but to have the party select them."
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Uniquely, I think that has been effectively illegal in the U.S. for many, many, years. In the U.S. political parties are different - by law!
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My boss and I had an interesting conversation about this. He worked with a Chinese woman who was only in the US for a couple years, and she had no idea that her government censored nearly as much as they do. She would even get angry because she thought it was BS that America was making up; her view of her government was that it was perfect. Apparently there's not a large outcry against these actions, because many people within the country don't even realize it's happening.
Apparently wizard is not a legitimate career path, so I chose programmer instead.
Ummm... China doesn't really need to make "for the children" style excuses to stifle free speech. They are pretty open about it. If they are saying that this is to block pornography, then it probably is. It will certainly help them tighten their grip on political speech, but if that were the main aim, they would have almost certainly come out and said it.
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I'm more inclined to believe international business will be what crushes this initiative. Big multinats like Google or MS will play along and get their "whitelist certification", but will millions of other small businesses? For example a small distributor based somewhere in Missouri has a website where suppliers can upload drawings or do something else related to sales or logistics. If those suppliers say "I can't reach your website. You need to fill out a bunch of forms with the communist Chinese government in order to get whitelisted" my guess is that more than a few of those small business owners will say "Fuck that, you figure this out and deal with it at your end. Otherwise I'll just start using my Vietnamese supplier instead. You have until Wednesday."
If libertarians are so opposed to effective government, why don't they all move to Somalia?
(Not a rhetorical question.)
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Because what the chinese government want right now is a huge population of young angry and sexually frustrated males. What could possibly go wrong?
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China used the idea of "for the children" to control commerce & thought, brilliant.
They don't want to be on the Internet. They want to be on a firewalled segment.
That's ok. They don't need all those globally-routable addresses.
The rest of the world can use those addresses to BE connected.
Hey China, next time you need concrete or steel fire up that ol' fax machine. Oooh. Sorry. We turned ours off because we have Internet.
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Nah. That's what Silicon Valley is like. All that frustrated sexual energy goes into technical progress.
I would actually like to change it; but there's a very big problem with that. It's Slashdot. It used to just render the sig as ordinary HTML. Now it renders it as Javascript or something that pulls whatever sig you have at the time.
The result? Google's cached results display the current sig, not the sig you used at the time you posted.
I believe this is a serious flaw in the design of Slashdot, not Google.
If I change my sig now, it would result in many bizarre arguments in the Google cache. That's not necessarily a bad thing... but it doesn't suit my fancy right now.
The only real fix for this is for Slashdot to go back and substitute literal sigs in all the archives. Then we can all flip the switch back and change our sigs whenever we like. That's how it USED TO BE, and I used to rotate my sig once in a while.
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
It strikes me that, possibly, one reason for such measures is to give the people a different 'target' for their moral outrage. Evil terrorists. Evil pornographers. Evil communists.
Once you have the people sufficiently outraged by the 'menace', you can then label anyone you find. 'uncooperative' as the villain du jour, and enact all sorts of measures "the people" wouldn't normally accept (people disappearing without a public trial, censoring the press, monitoring communications, etc).
As for porno specifically, I'm no anthropologist or historian, but my experience has been that, by and large, people from all over the world, from different religious backgrounds, different cultural backgrounds, frequently have had a cultural bias against promiscuity, and pornography is linked in many people's minds with promiscuity. So, it's easier to start with a bias that people already largely have, and 'inflate' it, than to create a new one from whole cloth.
It's a trap.
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They've always been at war with Eurasia.
It's more than a little Orwellian.
"We shall abolish the orgasm. Our neurologists are at work upon it now. There will be no loyalty, except loyalty towards the Party. There will be no love, except the love of Big Brother. There will be no laughter, except the laugh of triumph over a defeated enemy. There will be no art, no literature, no science." - 1984
And that is why *the internet is for porn*, there's a reason that everyone says technology progresses to find a better way to deliver smut, because it's true =)
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