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"Tube Map" Created For the Milky Way

astroengine writes "Assuming you had an interstellar spaceship, how would you navigate around the galaxy? For starters, you'd probably need a map. But there's billions of stars out there — how complex would that map need to be? Actually, Samuel Arbesman, a research fellow from Harvard, has come up with a fun solution. He created the 'Milky Way Transit Authority (MWTA),' a simple transit system in the style of the iconic London Underground 'Tube Map.' (Travel Tip: Don't spend too much time loitering around the station at Carina, there's some demolition work underway.)"

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  1. From Lave by pommiekiwifruit · · Score: 4, Informative

    I just know that from Lave, you should try to get to Zaonce and Isinor to build up your credits...

    1. Re:From Lave by ChrisMounce · · Score: 1

      For those not in the know: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elite_%28video_game%29

    2. Re:From Lave by Philip+K+Dickhead · · Score: 1

      How do I get on from the Great Circle Line? Is the stop near Notting Hill?

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    3. Re:From Lave by gparent · · Score: 1

      Buying High Quality Goods from New York, selling them at Hokkaido and going back with Cardamine was pretty good too.

    4. Re:From Lave by Tim+C · · Score: 1

      For those not in the know, turn in your geek card on your way out.

      (Or maybe I'm just showing my age by knowing exactly what he was talking about...)

    5. Re:From Lave by Kell+Bengal · · Score: 1

      But the line will only take you as far as the round about at Barnard's star.

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    6. Re:From Lave by iamhassi · · Score: 1

      "Or maybe I'm just showing my age by knowing exactly what he was talking about"

      You're showing your age, because virtually no one under 30 (born 1980, making them 4 when the game came out) would have any idea what he's talking about. There was a NES version for kids of the 80s but it wasn't released in the US.

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    7. Re:From Lave by MRe_nl · · Score: 1

      OMFG, Lave, that brings back memories of a summer lost...
      Weeks of Amiga Elite and the Vectrex, weekends with Joey Beltram, Derrick May & Dimitri/Roxy.

      "In the Santaari system near Lave, where the game starts, there are a couple of decent routes - Isinor/Zaonce and Benaera/Tionisla. They aren't so close together that you can make a round trip several times without refuelling, but they do have the necessary tech levels for making a good quick profit".

      Never made "Elite" though, we did all the missions and were still only "Very dangerous" IIRC.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&v=dFXgqrid6tA

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    8. Re:From Lave by bjorniac · · Score: 1

      That's simply not true - more recent versions of Elite (Oolite, ArcElite) have Lave-Zaonce at the beginning.

    9. Re:From Lave by More_Cowbell · · Score: 1

      Oh, come on... You're not even going to use [a href="url">Link text/a] as an example? (obviously you would need to replace [] with the proper symbols...) Correction FAIL.

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    10. Re:From Lave by ChrisMounce · · Score: 1

      I actually knew it from Oolite, but I figured the universe they share is obscure enough (although with search engines, nothing is obscure for the online reader).

    11. Re:From Lave by Jubilex · · Score: 1

      Fortunately, for those of us who are a few years younger, there's Oolite.

    12. Re:From Lave by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      You use &lt;a href="url"&gt; to write <a href="url">, FWIW.

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    13. Re:From Lave by himurabattousai · · Score: 1

      I did make "Elite." It took about nine months of game-play. And then my 286 died--which sucked hard because the version I had behaved like a hummingbird on fast forward if I played on anything faster than 8 megahertz!

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    14. Re:From Lave by LordSnooty · · Score: 2

      How do I get on from the Great Circle Line?

      Sorry, the Great Circle line is closed all weekend for essential maintenance. There's a good service on all other lines though!

    15. Re:From Lave by Plugh · · Score: 1

      WITCH SPACE!!!

    16. Re:From Lave by ckaminski · · Score: 1

      My dad and I used to compete playing Elite on the C64 when I was a kid. For him, he thought it was a good math/money/trading game to educate me, with a bit of space combat thrown in. Me, I just like zooming around blowing shit up.

    17. Re:From Lave by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Never made "Elite" though, we did all the missions and were still only "Very dangerous" IIRC.

      Getting to 'elite' level would take a couple of days game-play on the version I had (PC ; would run from a single floppy and I think was a single file of about 80kb (well one file for the solid-rendered version, one for the wireframe version) ; machines have been ridiculously too fast for over a decade). As I recall, you wouldn't make Elite until you'd fought and destroyed several bounty hunters in Fer-de-Lance ships. Putting any sort of gun in the back window was the first important purchase to make.
      I eventually got bored with it - no challenge left once you'd loaded up on equipment. Trying to do trade in Anarchy systems was fun for a time ; trying to visit every single planet on a map got dull after a time. Then one day, I fell in with a Thargoid invasion fleet and got thoroughly creamed. So they became a project for a time. But I never met them again. [SIGH]
      Ah, memories! Where's that download site?

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  2. Tickets by BSAtHome · · Score: 1

    I'll take 10 tickets, please. With FTL transit, grav-shielding and a couple of window seats. Thank you.

  3. Don't forget to... by Some.Net(Guy) · · Score: 5, Funny

    Mind the gap!

    1. Re:Don't forget to... by Goffee71 · · Score: 2, Funny

      What is the galactic equivalent of Mornington Crescent?

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    2. Re:Don't forget to... by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 4, Funny

      What is the galactic equivalent of Mornington Crescent?

      Even on that scale, I think it's still Detroit.

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    3. Re:Don't forget to... by tg2k · · Score: 1

      Now how do I get a t-shirt with this on it?

  4. Direct link to the artist's web site by mattdm · · Score: 5, Informative

    With PDF version! http://arbesman.net/milkyway/

  5. I dont get it.... by Lumpy · · Score: 1

    Which ones are the Mass Relays?

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    1. Re:I dont get it.... by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 1

      The Dots.

    2. Re:I dont get it.... by Logical+Zebra · · Score: 1

      More importantly, which ones should I stay away from to keep from pissing off the Geth?

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    3. Re:I dont get it.... by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      And why is earth on the red line? I knew this planet was low rent, but the dang realestate agent told me it was "exclusive" having "sentient life".... BAH

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    4. Re:I dont get it.... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      It used to be ok, but for the past few eons that area's been so unfashionable.

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  6. And remember... by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 4, Funny

    First class gets extra inertial damping. It costs more but it's soooo worth it.

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    1. Re:And remember... by Mashiki · · Score: 4, Funny

      To be goo, or not to be goo. That is the question.

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    2. Re:And remember... by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 1

      Only for those travelers who are not originally goo, or slime. For those, there's business class.

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  7. Well by CSHARP123 · · Score: 4, Funny

    My job is located at Galaxy Center. But I live at The Hamptons. The problem is, I have to take Brown line and yellow line to reach the center, It takes for ever and in some locations the AT&T signals are not that good and I cannot do anything with my iPad. Well that's life...

    1. Re:Well by proslack · · Score: 1

      High-speed rail will alleviate all your woes.

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    2. Re:Well by StrategicIrony · · Score: 1

      I cannot do anything with my iPad

      It's a feature, not a bug, and surely not AT&T's fault.

    3. Re:Well by TorKlingberg · · Score: 3, Insightful

      My job is located at Galaxy Center. But I live at The Hamptons. The problem is, I have to take Brown line and yellow line to reach the center,

      Dude, you can warpspeed over to Outer Junction, and take just about any line from there. It's not far at all. That's the problem with these schematic maps: people don't learn the real geography.

  8. How cute by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

    I like it, really, I do. But seriously. When measuring distance in light years, the shortest path will always between two points(1)

    (1) not including areas of space/time warping and dilation

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    1. Re:How cute by kalirion · · Score: 2, Informative

      When measuring distance in light years, the shortest path will always between two points(1)

      Isn't the shortest distance always "between two points", regardless of the units of measurement?

    2. Re:How cute by SomeJoel · · Score: 1

      When measuring distance in light years, the shortest path will always between two points(1)

      Isn't the shortest distance always "between two points", regardless of the units of measurement?

      In actuality, all distances (shortest, longest, and everything else) are between two points. That's kind of the definition of distance.

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    3. Re:How cute by Kjella · · Score: 1

      I like it, really, I do. But seriously. When measuring distance in light years, the shortest path will always between two points(1)

      Ignoring the curvature of the Earth the shortest path for the tube would be a straight line too, but most people won't have a direct route. For this tube map to make sense you have to assume a populated universe with economics of scale and space liners going where it's popular, so you'd still get hubs because it's more efficient than trying to build point-to-point connections between every star in the galaxy (some 10^22 routes needed).

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    4. Re:How cute by eleuthero · · Score: 1

      so you'd still get hubs because it's more efficient than trying to build point-to-point connections between every star in the galaxy (some 10^22 routes needed).

      That is, unless you happen to live in one of the Hamilton universes that involves "paths" and spacegates (though the spacegates tended to have hubs, the paths apparently... at least as far as I've gotten, did not). You've also got the more amusing (albeit on a popular level) series by Ringo that involves "looking glass" gateways. If I had to pick one of them, I think I'd go with Hamilton's scenario but...

    5. Re:How cute by shadowbearer · · Score: 1

        It also depends on the speed of your transport. If you're moving at subluminal speeds over a large distance things might move a ways before you get there ;)

      SB

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    6. Re:How cute by TerranFury · · Score: 1

      ...eeeehhhhhh..... not exactly. What is space? How do you measure distance?

      As far as physics currently understands (and I understand of it), space is (1) not Euclidean, and (2) intimately tied up with forces -- especially gravity. How do you separate these things? It's not as simple as you suggest!

      We know something about the local curvature of space. But what about its topology? Are we in fact living in a 3-torus (the surface of a donut is a 2-torus), so that if we build a powerful enough telescope eventually we'll see the back of our own heads?

      Space, and distance, may be kind of complicated!

    7. Re:How cute by sabt-pestnu · · Score: 1

      You point out that the path you can take is a determining factor of distance. I'd point out that other factors than mere geometric can determine "distance". For instance, "freeway miles" vs "bulldozer miles".

      Also, it can be useful to use time, not space, as the "distance" between two points. For instance, the distance from work to home is 2 hours by bus, but only 30 minutes if I walk. A velocity equivalent can be a bit tricky to work out, though...

    8. Re:How cute by TerranFury · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and I guess it's all just how you look at it anyway. You could easily "geometrize" the "free vs bulldozer miles" point by adding another "vehicle" dimension and embuing different points with different metrics.

      Second, let me correct myself: You wouldn't see the back of your head if you lived on a torus (with probability 1). The topology I really wanted for that example was real projective space.

  9. What, no superliminal rail . . . by StefanJ · · Score: 1

    . . . to the Magellanic Clouds?

    Why the gray "Canis Major" box?

    1. Re:What, no superliminal rail . . . by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 1

      . . . to the Magellanic Clouds?

      Why the gray "Canis Major" box?

      Construction zone. Sort of like the Circle Line with Vogons.

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    2. Re:What, no superliminal rail . . . by dhalgren · · Score: 1

      "Superliminal"? Is that where your movie is interspersed with 5-minute segments of a guy shouting at you to TRUST THE POWER?

  10. Don't forget your towel! by Dr_Art · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Don't forget your towel!

    1. Re:Don't forget your towel! by 2names · · Score: 1

      And remember your address: Sector ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha

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  11. OK, I can't find it.... by thewils · · Score: 1

    Where's Mornington Crescent?

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    1. Re:OK, I can't find it.... by Petrushka · · Score: 1

      Where's Mornington Crescent?

      Oh come on, on the first move in this thread? Surely you're aware we're playing under Mortimer's Third Amendment, whereby you can't proceed north of Omicron Centauri until someone has declared a Double Paddington!

    2. Re:OK, I can't find it.... by Stormy+Dragon · · Score: 1

      That's for clockwise spiral galaxies. For anti-clockwise galaxies like ours, the left hand shunting rule is effect, so play begins at galactic center. Please see the third game from the final round of the the 2004 International Tournament if you need a refresher on shunting rules.

  12. The galaxy is a series of Tubes .... by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Funny
    Sorry, it had to be said.

    Actually, the interstellar transport system is like a box of chocolates ... you never know where you're going to end up. It was prototyped from an airport luggage handling system - more specifically, Denver.

    Nobody's ever complained. Then again, nobody's ever come back.

  13. Re:So let me get this straight... by toastar · · Score: 1

    Ubuntu has a logo?

  14. Oh great... by Overzeetop · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...we ended up on a fucking spur line. Why is it I always have to transfer every time I want to go somewhere cool!

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    1. Re:Oh great... by lewiscr · · Score: 1

      I want to know which special interest group got that Sol station approved.

      Talk about useless to the rest of the galactic population...

  15. Re:So let me get this straight... by Knara · · Score: 2, Funny

    The butthurt is strong with this one.

  16. Re:So let me get this straight... by armanox · · Score: 1

    Thinking Ubuntu is the most popular/important distribution is the bigger issue.

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  17. No suprises to see... by w0mprat · · Score: 1

    that intergallactic travel will be just as confusing as the real tube.

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    1. Re:No suprises to see... by nyctopterus · · Score: 1

      You find the tube confusing?

  18. Oyster Card by baby_tux · · Score: 1

    However I wouln't use my PAYG Oyster card on that tube because the fares would be a little higher when I'd touch out...

  19. Planning commission biased as always by RichMan · · Score: 4, Funny

    How did Sol rate even a minor station. A crummy little G2 minor league star.
    I suspect undue influence at the planning commission or city council for this station to even exist.

    1. Re:Planning commission biased as always by Megane · · Score: 4, Funny

      You haven't heard the news? They're planning to build an interstellar bypass through there. The plans have been on file at Alpha Centauri for years. It's not their fault if you haven't been around to check them.

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    2. Re:Planning commission biased as always by Jesus_666 · · Score: 1

      That's the problem: Plural zone. Earth is not one crummy little G2 star, it's a whole lot of crummy little G2 stars. Given that nobody can prove that the total number of Earth's inhabitants isn't several times that of the rest of the known universe, the bureaucrats of the MWTA decided that they had to mention it.

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    3. Re:Planning commission biased as always by Throtex · · Score: 4, Funny

      How does that even work, when the universe's population is zero?

      Universe
      --------
      Population:
      None. Although you might see people from time to time, they are most likely products of your imagination. Simple mathematics tells us that the population of the Universe must be zero. Why? Well given that the volume of the universe is infinite there must be an infinite number of worlds. But not all of them are populated; therefore only a finite number are. Any finite number divided by infinity is zero, therefore the average population of the Universe is zero, and so the total population must be zero.

    4. Re:Planning commission biased as always by Jesus_666 · · Score: 1

      However, since Earth isn't infinite it has a nonzero population. This holds true for most of the plural Earths and those other ones don't count. Therefore, the population of Earth (above zero) is bigger than that of the rest of the universe (zero), which makes Sol the single most important station. q.e.d.

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    5. Re:Planning commission biased as always by Anarchduke · · Score: 1

      You wouldn't believe how boring it can be in the ticket queue at Fenchurch Station.

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  20. Wow by gyrogeerloose · · Score: 1

    Earth really is "Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the Western Spiral arm of the Galaxy..."

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  21. Dont Panic by llvllatrix · · Score: 1

    I hear they'll be building a highway close by some time soon.

  22. Hampstead! by Dachannien · · Score: 1

    This will truly revolutionize the game of Mornington Crescent!

  23. Re:I don't get the kind of people, who call sun "s by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Sol is the sun's official name. "The sun" is colloquial. I suspect that when we have colonists on other planets, they will probably refer to their star as "The sun" in day-to-day conversation rather than talking about "Alpha Centairi B-shine today" in the weather.

  24. Re:I don't get the kind of people, who call sun "s by Tangent128 · · Score: 1

    Last I heard, "The Sun" and "The Moon" were in fact the official terms. Ironic that astronomers can be a tad geocentric like that.

    "Sol" and sometimes "Luna" are just overwhelmingly popular sci-fi terms, but yes, probably would be the terms eventually adopted by colonists.

  25. Re:So let me get this straight... by CannonballHead · · Score: 1

    according to distrowatch, it is. Of course, I recognize that in many production environments, they are likely not reporting to distrowatch, and probably things like RHEL and SLES (and CentOS, Gentoo, etc) are fairly popular... but Ubuntu is definitely one of the most popular "normal person" Linux distro. If people have heard of Linux and only know what distribution, they seem to know Ubuntu. Not openSuSE or RedHat.

  26. Mind the gap, please! by judolphin · · Score: 2, Funny

    Mind the gap, please!... or be SUCKED INTO OUTER SPACE!

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  27. Ah, Asteroids - the icebergs of the sky by uberjack · · Score: 2, Funny

    If we swerve wildly around those, we might get some sort of gravity-boost or something

  28. Real Patriotic Milky Wayians... by jameskojiro · · Score: 1

    Don't use stupid Intergalactic Public Mass-Transit, Instead they drive their Space SUVs and Space Hummers all over the place spreading Nebula Gasses all over the galaxy leading to Galactic Warming....

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    1. Re:Real Patriotic Milky Wayians... by xaxa · · Score: 1

      There's plans to introduce a galactic congestion charge, so make the most of it while you can.

      Last time I used my spaceship I spent ages waiting for a space to park, the orbits are so full nowadays.

  29. Useful for...? by braindrainbahrain · · Score: 1

    There is a tiny bit of truth to the map...but just a tiny bit.

    If using a Bussard ramjet, it might be usefult to stay in the galactic arms where there would be more interstellar matter for your engine. If you take a shortcut across the arms, you may not encounter enough mass to accelerate to the velocity you want.

    Of course, the difference between 0.99% of c and 0.999% of c may not matter that much considering your voyage will last longer than your galactic civilization.

  30. Re:So let me get this straight... by armanox · · Score: 1

    In my experience more people have known Red Hat then Ubuntu. Although you are correct that distrowatch says there are more hits on Ubuntu then RH/Fedora

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  31. and... by wdavies · · Score: 1

    Mornington Crescent.

    I win.

  32. Re:I don't get the kind of people, who call sun "s by cmiller173 · · Score: 1

    Think of a Martian looking at his "moons". You think he would call it The Moon 1 and The Moon 2? At least we gave them separate names.

    Naturally any self respecting Martian would refer to them as Thuria and Cluros.

  33. We're doomed! by sconeu · · Score: 1

    This is the first attempt at the Total Perspective Vortex! Now all they need is some fairy cake!

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  34. stargate system is faster and non stop point to po by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 1

    stargate system is faster and non stop point to point.

  35. Re:Science? by stonedcat · · Score: 1

    Why? It finally proves the universe is flat.

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  36. This map is completely unreliable by Token_Internet_Girl · · Score: 3, Funny

    I don't see the systems for Terminus, Vulcan, or Hoth anywhere on the map!

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    1. Re:This map is completely unreliable by cmiller173 · · Score: 3, Funny

      IIRC Hoth is in a "Galaxy far far away..." which would be outside the scope of this map. Please step down the concourse to the intergalactic departures desk for the assistance you need.

    2. Re:This map is completely unreliable by Token_Internet_Girl · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Oh wow, my nerd stock just plummeted.

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  37. Boston by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    Look, the guy's at Harvard, so it's more likely that it's a play on the MBTA Subway Map than a London Tube Map.

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  38. Re:I don't get the kind of people, who call sun "s by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    Last I checked, neither our sun nor our moon have official names, but they are colloquially called The Sun and The Moon. However, given that there are an awfully large number of suns and moons, those seem to be silly names once you leave the earth. Sol and Luna seem the most logical to me.

    Except I believe "sol" and "luna" simply mean "sun" and "moon", respectively - it's just they're not English words. So you're basically telling people to replace those "silly" English names with equivalently silly - and equally non-descriptive - non-English names.

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  39. Tubes? by Monkey_Genius · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Please. No one needs tubes. All one needs is a little spice to fold space --and possibly some 'Juice of Saphoo' for the trip.

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  40. Re:I don't get the kind of people, who call sun "s by tomhudson · · Score: 1

    What do you expect from a planet full of beings so low in self-esteem that they named their planet after dirt.

    ... send me back to esidarap.

  41. Re:So let me get this straight... by CannonballHead · · Score: 1

    People may *have* known "Red Hat" in the past (I guess) because it seemed to be one of the only Linux companies ever in the news... I personally knew about Red Hat before I tried Mandrake and SuSE. But Ubuntu seems to be on the tip of everyone's tongue (if they even know what "Linux" is), now. And a lot of people mispronounce it, too. For some reason, they like spelling/pronouncing it Ubunto...

  42. Re:I don't get the kind of people, who call sun "s by icegreentea · · Score: 1

    Presumably if we ever get around to colonizing different star systems, each star system will call that star in the middle of the system "the sun" instead of whatever astronomical name we give it now. I would find it retardedly annoying to constantly go "Man, Tau Ceti is sure bright today, better stay inside or else you'll get Tau Ceti-burn", and just use sun instead. Which leaves us with what the fuck do we call the Sun that the homeplanet orbits? So we take huge ass hint from science fiction and call it Sol.

  43. Re:I don't get the kind of people, who call sun "s by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    they are colloquially called The Sun and The Moon. However, given that there are an awfully large number of suns and moons, those seem to be silly names once you leave the earth.

    Not really. Ganymede is a moon. When I refer to The Moon, I mean the one that goes round the planet I'm standing on.

    Just like if I'm in London and I refer to "The Queen", I mean Lizzy the kraut and not Beatrix the cheesehead.

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  44. Shut up, you stupid wanker by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    they didn't realize that those stars we can see at night are the same kind of thing as "the Sun". If they had, the might have called it "Our Star", or something stupid.

    Why is that stupid? It's pretty accurate.

    Once we got to that point of understanding, a real name (other than "the Sun") was required.

    Why? The Sun = the one we orbit. Suns/stars = all the other ones. Merely substituting "Sol" for "The Sun" adds nothing other than a veneer of intellectuality over a thick layer of pretentiousness.

    I don't see what ambiguity this is trying to prevent. It's totally obvious from the context. Even a two year old gets this. He knows that when he says "daddy" it means a different person to when his friend says it.

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  45. Map posted at the wrong location. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

    This map is not supposed to be posted on the internet. It is supposed to be taped to underside of bottom drawer of a filing cabinet in a disused toilet in the dark unlit basement without stairs guarded by a leopard in the municipal building in Alpha Centauri.

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  46. Demolitions work notice fail by Psaakyrn · · Score: 1

    Last I heard, they needed to build a tunnel through here as well..

  47. Omega Centauri shouldn't be there either. by syousef · · Score: 1

    Omega Centauri isn't even in the Milky Way galaxy. It was thought to be a globular cluster but there's now evidence it is actually the core of a dwarf galaxy long ago stripped of it's outer stars.

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  48. Re:I don't get the kind of people, who call sun "s by Jesus_666 · · Score: 1

    The non-descriptive ones have the advantage of being non-descriptive. We're talking about unambiguous ways of referring to the sun Earth orbits and Earth's moon. "The sun" and "the moon" can be applied to just about any planet and will refer to that planet's sun or moon. We could use "Earth's sun/moon" but that's unwieldy, which provides a disincentive to using it.

    We could start capitalizing the words when they refer to the Earthen ones (I'd say "Terran" but that's just another silly foreign word) but then again - would anyone actually use them in that way? Well, anyone outside the German-speaking countries? (And on that note, this convention horribly fails in German where the terms are already capitalized.)


    Remember, we're talking about globally unambiguous identifiers. "Sun" and "moon" do not fit, being descriptive terms.

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  49. YOU ARE HERE... by Adeptus_Luminati · · Score: 1

    Where's the "You are Here" arrow? I 'm totally lost.
    Adeptus

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    1. Re:YOU ARE HERE... by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 1

      Son, your problem is you got no Sol.

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  50. Wow, we can see pretty far by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 1

    The really interesting thing to me was how far away we can see stars in our galaxy. I'd always assumed that observable individual stars were relatively close while only uber-bright objects like galaxies and clusters were visible from further away.

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  51. For us Londoners... by MrNemesis · · Score: 1

    ...isn't it going to be a *really* long walk between platforms at the interchange stations? Having a single station span the entire galactic centre doesn't really make any sense as it's generally too large to walk across (or so I've been told - I generally prefer to stay north of the galactic centre as it's much more civilised). Hopefully TfMW will install travelators at the stations to ease the morning commute.

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  52. I couldn't figure out how to get to earth... by Samarian+Hillbilly · · Score: 1

    ...and information had never heard of it.

  53. Fun map by physburn · · Score: 1
    Not sure how well it describes out galaxy, but then even with years of be 'into astronomy' I don't think I could find the suns spiral arm on a real map of our galaxy. Somethings don't seem to fit in the plan though, whats that arm doing going backwards on the 'new outer junction'? And Omicron Centuri is show as on the opposite side of the galaxy from us, but wikipedia lists it as a only 3200 light years aways, the other side of the galaxy is more like 20000 lights years away.

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  54. Re:So let me get this straight... by etwills · · Score: 1

    Ubuntu has a logo?

    Sure it has. There's even a "parody" of it.

  55. How do I get to Alpha Centauri? by Hemi+Rodner · · Score: 1

    Speaking of which, how do I get to Alpha Centauri? It is supposed to be in the spot nearest to Sol, but I can't understand where it is.

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  56. The daily commute by YourExperiment · · Score: 1

    Have you seen how far I have to travel to get from here to Andromeda Customs? No fewer than four changes too. And it's a bloody long walk from one platform to the other at New Outer Junction, I can tell you.

  57. Re:So let me get this straight... by Ichido · · Score: 1

    I've been using Ubuntu for 5 years now on 2 laptops and a Desktop. I'll never go back to M$ Windoze again!