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Piezo Crystals Harness Sound To Generate Hydrogen
MikeChino writes "Scientists at the University of Wisconsin-Madison have discovered that a mix of zinc oxide crystals, water, and noise pollution can efficiently produce hydrogen without the need for a dirty catalyst like oil. To generate the clean hydrogen, researchers produced a new type of zinc oxide crystals that absorb vibrations when placed in water. The vibrations cause the crystals to develop areas with strong positive and negative charges — a reaction that rips the surrounding water molecules and releases hydrogen and oxygen. The mechanism, dubbed the piezoelectrochemical effect, converts 18% of energy from vibrations into hydrogen gas (compared to 10% from conventional piezoelectric materials), and since any vibration can produce the effect, the system could one day be used to generate power from anything that produces noise — cars whizzing by on the highway, crashing waves in the ocean, or planes landing at an airport."
But can it produce enough electricity to power a small radio that plays the music used to create the vibrations necessary to produce the electricity?
"If we dont play it at full volume we wont be able to save the enviroment!" ;-)
If not, can this be made cheap?
Also, how much can this be scaled up?
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It sounds (no pun intended) like this material would have to absorb energy from the sound wave. I wonder how well it would work as an acoustic barrier bordering a highway. It'd be refilled by rain, powered by noise, and it might just block the sound better than those lovely concrete walls we have now.
You do not have a moral or legal right to do absolutely anything you want.
Can be used as noise insulation. There might be some drawback to building walls serving as giant water tanks, but the upside is that living next to the freeway might actually have some benefits.
Those who can, do. Those who can't, sue.
nuff said
The next time you see someone screaming at their car on the side of the road, they might just be fueling up ;)
...as a catalyst for producing hydrogen from water? Every heard of hydrolysis by plain electrical current?
Why don't we design structures which will create the noise when wind blows over it?
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I could be wrong, but I thought sound waves moving through air carried a surprisingly small amount of energy. When it comes with tangible vibrations, waves so strong they pulsed through the ground and other solids to reach you, the net effect might create significant amounts of energy, but just loud noises probably wouldn't give you much in the energy department, especially at 18% yield.
the system could one day be used to generate power from anything that produces noise — cars whizzing by on the highway, crashing waves in the ocean, or planes landing at an airport.
...what about nightclubs? I'm pretty sure the heavy bass would be able to produce at least enough energy to cover the lights, especially since they're off for the most part.
If these can be manufactured cheaply enough, I imagine boards of this being made and marketed by Gib for any place where you want soundproofing or a room with 'dead' acoustics.
"Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
I happen to enjoy the shriek of my Ferrari, you insensitive clod!
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Maxwell's demon anyone?
Compared to normal electrolysis of water?
... the making of a lousy Keanu Reeves movie.
It seems your wish has been granted.
Finally, we have a way to answer the timeless question: "If a tree falls in the forest, with no one around to hear it... Does it make a sound?"
I always knew it'd be YES, but the new question should be "Does it make hydrogen?" How naturally occuring is this Zinc Oxide crystal?
Mmm, piezo.
- with ?? kg of this crystal and ?? kg of water one can drive a car for ?? km
- a car like this would cost ??
So this was the best Slashdot could come up with for this weeks Green Energy Hype of the Week? Guess it was a slow week because this one is lamer than most.
Ok, ASSuming they can figure out a way to separate the H and O before they just combine again. ASSume this tech actually works outside the lab and can be scaled up. ASSume it performs as advertised when scaled up. 18% conversion efficiency on sound waves? Sound doesn't carry a lot of energy to begin with and they will harvest 18% of it before losses in compressing the H. Oh wow, if we ran this stuff down a mile of busy highway we MIGHT generate enough energy to push one crappy green gocart/car down that highway every day.
And that is the problem with most alternative energy schemes, they depend on ignorant people who don't know how the world works. There are LOTS of ways to extract energy from nature. The problem is that there aren't many that can compete with the existing sources because they are just so darned good, which was why we standardized on them in the first place. And if we actually do find a new good source, once scaled up it is a veritable certainty that we will discover that it too isn't a free lunch and that it also has a downside somewhere. And the second certainty is that the Greenies will be working to ban it because if it actually works it won't be alternative anymore. Kinda like music, when that great alternative/undergound band signs a contract and releases a hit most of their original fans declare them 'sellouts' and glom onto the newest unheard of band.
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...is there anything it can't do?
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....another genuinely cool technology that we'll never see in widespread use.
My question is this "If you're producing Hydrogen... aren't you also producing Oxygen at the very same time?" So here you are creating a combustible gas mixture in a stiochiometrically perfect balance to go BOOM-POW!!! The gases are created together, you can't easily separate them. You need to pump this straight into a combustion chamber or fuel cell, because it's ready, willing, and able to off the instant it's created. It cannot be transported anywhere.
This is such a beautiful idea.
Beautiful beautiful idea.
I will never think of something like this.
I do not care whether it is possible to generate energy efficiently or not - this is a really really cool tech.
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While this of course wouldn't be effective as a primary generative source, it could be very useful as a secondary income/efficiency improvement. Some current examples similar situations are 1 - Sugar Beet Processors: They use the dried leftovers from the plants to power the plant for processing sugar beets, somewhere in Hawaii they used to generate all of the electricity for the community from the excess power at the sugar beet plant. 2 - Dairy farm Power: Some larger dairies these days actually use the methane generated off of the cow manure to generate power for the milking operation. The way I would see this specific technology being used is in industrial applications. Where you have large loud equipment, such as electrical turbines, car shreaders, metal presses, or anything else loud you would surround it with walls of the crystals and water, this would generate the company some hydrogen which it could either sell or run through a fuel cell and pump back into its operation. And as a nice side effect it would decrease the sound given off by the equipment making for a better working environment. Of course this only works if the crystals can be mass produced very cheaply.
Could someone tell me, does an equivalent amount of water split by this process eventually returns as water again? Or in other words... if this process were able to continue forever could it somehow permanently remove most of the water from the surface of the planet?
Women with their "silent-but-deadlies" won't get as good gas mileage as men.
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18% efficiency at converting Water to Hydrogen and Oxygen through sound doesn't sound very practical, efficient or useful. You would need to be in an environment with a LOT of sound, and that needed hydrogen. I can't think of many places like that.
In a few years time, you'll go into the Apple store with your iPhone saying that the battery just died. They'll check the water detection sensor and say the phone is dead and it's not under warranty because you let it run out of water.
So either way, you're still screwed.
I figured banning cars was the easier one. :)
No cars would mean no car accidents. It would also mean that if we intended the system to be a fuel for the cars, then it wouldn't be needed.
If they banned smoking, there would be a lot more upset people. :)
Serious? Seriousness is well above my pay grade.
The air to water transition is a huge impedance change. so most sound will be reflected not transmitted into the water. Second Since they are talking about 18% of the absorbed energy being converted and not 18% of the incident energy, even once it gets into the water most of the incident energy is probably reflected or absorbed in the water itself.
Unless they have already taken these into account it seems like the conversion rate of air acoustic energy to hydrogen energy must be in the fraction of a percent. Even so free is free, and some forms of vibration like car vibrations might be coupled in without going through the air.
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It sounds like the crystals make electricity which in turn makes the hydrogen. If that's true then it would be more useful, if possible, just to harvest the electricity. It's a lot easier to move electrical power around, especially from a diffuse source, than it is to collect and transport hydrogen. Though the idea still sounds impractical even then.
Sure it can if you tune it in to Spamradio.com!
Excuse me, but please get off my Pennisetum Clandestinum, eh!
can efficiently produce hydrogen without the need for a dirty catalyst like oil.
Whoever wrote this needs to hand in their geek card for not understanding the word "catalyst".
If we could, somehow, produce hydrogen in a reaction catalyzed by oil, our energy problems would be solved.
A way to extract energy back out of sugar-crazed, ADHD children.
No, I think he misspelled 'googol-dick'; he's probably trying to sell us an enhancement of some sort.
We need to get this installed in the houses of parliament -- get something useful back for our money.
This is way better than the wifi-signal-harvesting-idea. At this reate we'll have free energy twice over in like 2 years. World saved. Go on.
...is what the first road utilizing the new system ought to be named. "And now to Chopper5 for a look at this morning's commute...Oh, the humanities!"
since any vibration can produce the effect, the system could one day be used to generate power from anything that produces noise
Small children, Internet forums, Congress ...
As anyone who has been on the Hoover dam tour can attest the generator room is noisy as hell and because of locality to the grid would seemingly be an ideal place. But compared to the whole, how much power could a fuel cell really produce out of it? Is it really worth it?
Think of how much power we could generate when we turn our amps up to eleven!!
So Rock and Metal bands can illuminate their concerts by playing louder? Niiicee
Also think the soccer / football matches, the louder the fans, the brighter the field.
So does anyone have any credible estimates on what the acoustic energy density is like of a typical office environment?
Or maybe, what is the average power output of a typical human voice?
-b
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