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Reading E-Books Takes Longer Than Reading Paper Books

Hugh Pickens writes "PC World reports on a study showing that reading from a printed book — versus an e-book on any of the three tested devices, an iPad, Kindle 2, and PC — was a faster experience to a significant degree. Readers measured on the iPad reported reading speeds, on average, of 6.2 percent slower than their print-reading counterparts, while readers on the Kindle 2 clocked in at 10.7 percent slower. Jacob Nielsen had each participant read a short story by Ernest Hemingway. Each participant was timed, then quizzed to determine their comprehension and understanding of what they just read. Nielsen also surveyed users' satisfaction levels after operating each device (or page). For user satisfaction, the iPad, Kindle, and book all scored relatively equally at 5.8, 5.7, and 5.6 on a one-to-seven ranking scale (seven representing the best experience). The PC, however, did not fare so well, getting a usability score of 3.6."

186 comments

  1. It's obvious why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    On the iPad, they had to keep checking their email.

  2. Not statistically significant by EvanED · · Score: 4, Informative

    Way to mention the results aren't actually statistically significant:

    The iPad measured at 6.2% lower reading speed than the printed book, whereas the Kindle measured at 10.7% slower than print. However, the difference between the two devices was not statistically significant because of the data's fairly high variability.

    (Emph. mine)

    1. Re:Not statistically significant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Way to mention that some of the results are actually statistically significant:

      The difference between the two devices was not statistically significant.

      (Emph. mine)

    2. Re:Not statistically significant by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Way to mention the results aren't actually statistically significant:

      You know why the data was highly variable?
      "A 24-user study showed that..."

      24 users is less a study, and more a reason to declare "further research needed"

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    3. Re:Not statistically significant by commodore64_love · · Score: 2, Informative

      Also I suspect a good portion of those people were old and probably wasted a lot of time saying, "Where's the damn next button on this newfangled gadget?"

      I don't notice any difference in reading speed whether I'm using a book or e-book. But then I grew up reading text on computers (like Zork and online forums), so it feels perfectly natural to me. Plus the e-book is a lot lighter and less muscle-straining than a 600-page tome.

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    4. Re:Not statistically significant by Have+Brain+Will+Rent · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Also I suspect a good portion of those people were old and probably wasted a lot of time saying, "Where's the damn next button on this newfangled gadget?"

      Wow, there's a bit of bigotry snatched out of thin air. Unfortunately one that is not at all uncommon on /.

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    5. Re:Not statistically significant by rainmouse · · Score: 5, Insightful

      With a sample size lower than what is even acceptable for a undergraduate students assignment and too many ignored variables such as users already being used to reading paper books and not digital ones, this article really isn't worth the paper its digitally printed upon.

    6. Re:Not statistically significant by Sudheer_BV · · Score: 1

      I recall the pain in my hands when I was reading War And Peace dead tree version.

      I read faster on my PC.

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    7. Re:Not statistically significant by Volante3192 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Or the chance some people had a hard time with the Hemingway.

      At the very least, all 24 should have tried each method, changing the stories each time.

    8. Re:Not statistically significant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I had mod points, I'd mod you to the roof.

      Sample size, along with getting users accustomed to the medium, is a huge challenge.

      But the author got enough data to make a study that's getting significant attention. There's a grant coming! Great things in your future!

    9. Re:Not statistically significant by radtea · · Score: 1

      I don't notice any difference in reading speed whether I'm using a book or e-book.

      A factor of two in speed is about the minimum perceptible, so your experience is fully consistent with these data.

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    10. Re:Not statistically significant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn the statistics, there are enough tidbits of information here for people to use it to bend to their own worldview as they see fit.

      (slamming staff to ground)

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    11. Re:Not statistically significant by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      I've never timed myself. I'm a pretty fast reader - I've gone through 800 page novels in less than a week, when I work full time and have to meet other real life commitments. Buy a book on Monday, and surprise myself that it's finished on Thursday or Friday. Other times, I've read similar books in a weekend.

      Like yourself, I haven't noticed that reading speed is affected by the media. Two weeks ago, I started a 1500 page novel on the PC, and it was finished in 6 days. I had to work 40 hours, but didn't have any other pressing commitments, so I got through it fairly quickly.

      A scientific study might be interesting - but age has to play a factor, as well as literacy level. Did they choose their participants based on enrollment in a speed reading course, or what? Just 24 random people off the street? 24 college students, maybe, and it was "presumed" that they were all equally literate?

      More study needed, for sure.

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    12. Re:Not statistically significant by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      24 users is less a study, and more a reason to declare "further research needed"

      This is true. It falls 1 short of the required 25 samples to satisfy central limits on the normal distribution.

      And even that falls far short of a useful comparison and analysis. We can't draw any conclusions other than our own anecdotal impressions. From my experience, well-presented text on paper is vastly preferable to the "best" digital impressions. But I am perfectly happy to admit that that subjective viewpoint may not be shared by others.

      I am not in principle against e-books, but where I make a distinction is when a text is likely to be subjected to re-reading. For instance (and yes, I am taking the piss here), a business management text isn't worth committing to print, since its content will have no value beyond three months after publication (if then).

    13. Re:Not statistically significant by Runaway1956 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Uhhh - age does play a factor. I'm over 50, and there are some things that I don't like messing with, because the buttons are to small, or the interface isn't what I'm used to, or I just don't like the design. I'm aging, and I have my ways. I'm not changing because a bunch of 30 or 40 year old punk kids decide that an iPod should look like this, or an Android should behave like that. Given a choice between a printed realtree book, and electronic versions, I'll take the treebark, thank you. When I can't get the realtree, then I want the electronic version on my PC, with a nice wide screen, and what some people would call "large print". No little bitty 3 inch screens, thank you very much, and certainly no keypad where my index finger covers half a dozen keys.

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    14. Re:Not statistically significant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, if you think 600 pages is "muscle-straining" you need to go get some exercise.

    15. Re:Not statistically significant by Have+Brain+Will+Rent · · Score: 1

      Age may well play a role for some people. I wasn't commenting on that. I was commenting on the assumption that that was what was happening, with no evidence at all to indicate that that was the case. That and the tone of the comment combined to look like bigotry to me - and there is a lot of "ageism" on /.

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    16. Re:Not statistically significant by elventear · · Score: 1

      24 users is less a study, and more a reason to declare "further research needed"

      With that outcome sounds like the research is ripe for publication then.

      (Emph. mine)

    17. Re:Not statistically significant by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      Or the chance some people had a hard time with the Hemingway.

      Hemingway hard to read? Sarcasm, I hope.

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    18. Re:Not statistically significant by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2, Interesting

      ignored variables such as users already being used to reading paper books and not digital ones

      But that's the majority of the world, so if you want to know how switching to digital will affect most people, this is OK.

      I've probably read 9:1 digital:print in the past decade, but still prefer a paper book for works of significant length.

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    19. Re:Not statistically significant by Skal+Tura · · Score: 1

      Same here. It's just vastly easier for longer reading, and for pretty much anything other than short one time read.

      Despite being a web developer, and constantly on cutting edge, i also find paper a way better tool for making notes, sketching designs etc. than anything electronic. People think i'm a bit weird like that, when i'm trying to solve a harder design dilemna i take a piece of paper and start writing, drawing lines etc. but it actually helps me to better visualize the dilemna, and thus better see the patterns for simpliest solution.

    20. Re:Not statistically significant by justinlee37 · · Score: 2, Informative

      It wasn't an assumption; the OP clearly prefaced their statement with "I suspect," a phrase which underscores their own uncertainty.

      Besides, admit it, most people who are over 40 take a little longer to adapt to using computers or to figure out some new-fangled program, video game, or cell phone. It's not that they're stupid or senile, they're just not used to electronics.

      My Father, who recently turned 50, used to be a police officer. He used to have to write his police reports using ink and paper, and it wasn't until he was nearly 35 that they started using computers at the precinct to type reports. You can't just do something one way for 35 years and then turn around tomorrow and become an expert in doing it an entirely different way.

      One of my industrial psychology professors, Dr. Truxillo, does a fair amount of research on the differences in ability between younger and older workers, and has some interesting ideas on the topic. I can't recall them with any real detail right now, but basically it amounts to the notion that younger and older workers generally have different strengths and weaknesses, but both have the same potential in all areas and both are still useful.

    21. Re:Not statistically significant by pnewhook · · Score: 1

      My Father, who recently turned 50, used to be a police officer. He used to have to write his police reports using ink and paper, and it wasn't until he was nearly 35 that they started using computers at the precinct to type reports. You can't just do something one way for 35 years...

      So he was writing police reports since the day he was born?

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    22. Re:Not statistically significant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Hey, give the man a break! He probably read tfa on his PC.

    23. Re:Not statistically significant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you want wisdom you get old people to do things, if you want wit you get young people to do things.

    24. Re:Not statistically significant by Volante3192 · · Score: 1

      Well, not necessarily hard as in complex, but hard as in boring.

      I find Dickens hard to get through, for example, cause he's drier than dust (and as palatable). I'd find myself having to reread pages because by the end of the page I'd've forgotten the top half.

    25. Re:Not statistically significant by fotoguzzi · · Score: 1

      Now get off my lawn!

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    26. Re:Not statistically significant by fotoguzzi · · Score: 1

      Excuse justinlee37, he's getting old and forgets.

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    27. Re:Not statistically significant by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      when i'm trying to solve a harder design dilemna i take a piece of paper and start writing, drawing lines etc.

      Yup. I have a large-format sketchpad I use for user interface design work. Paper and kneeded eraser are just far faster than the available computer tools.

      I also carry a graph-paper Moleskine or lab notebook for field work. I switch from notes to diagrams quickly and easily, at very high resolution. The netbook stays in the bag for most meetings.

      If OCR actually worked I might be tempted to use a tablet, but for now I'm safe from that temptation. Maybe the resolution will improve about the time OCR is figured out.

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    28. Re:Not statistically significant by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Possible Translation: these results were probably due to random chance, but we have backs to scratch for the dinosaurs at the publishing houses that produce ink and paper books, so we're rushing our research report to the presses, rather than conducting further study.

      We know the public will surely gasp at the 6.2% slower reading rate we concocted, and cancel their plans to buy e-readers.

      Thus netting our publishing house clients greater profit for our overpriced paper books.

    29. Re:Not statistically significant by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Oh right... P.S. not the researchers, but the media that are likely to cover this and neglect to mention that the results were not significant.

    30. Re:Not statistically significant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Ummm... just to provide some balance. I'm over 50 too and I love my Kindle. My mother is in her 70s and she reads from 3 to 4 Kindle books a week. Not all "older folks" are Luddites. Most ebook readers are easy to use, easy to read. With ability to select font size most of them are easier to read than a book.

    31. Re:Not statistically significant by thrawn_aj · · Score: 1

      If you want wisdom you get wise people to do things, if you want wit you get witty people to do things.

      FTFY.

      The idiots always outnumber the intelligent in any age group. Seniority is not magic.

    32. Re:Not statistically significant by comp.sci · · Score: 1

      24 can be a statistically significant sample size, no problem. Remember that sample size AND effect size determine significance. (Just a warning to prevent people from thinking that sample size only is important or that 24 can never be a real study). Now in this specific study this didn't work out quite that well as they aren't statistically significant and therefore can be promptly ignored.

    33. Re:Not statistically significant by thrawn_aj · · Score: 1

      Also, ever since I started reading ebooks (Palm Zire, then smartphone and now Nook), the number of books I read has gone up drastically since there's almost no dead time now since I always have something good to read that's handy. If it's a leeeetle bit slower (something I dispute but even so), it more than makes up for it in other things.

    34. Re:Not statistically significant by BForrester · · Score: 4, Funny

      Accordingly, you could argue that the discrepancy caused by old users might be balanced out by young users who wasted a lot of time saying, "Where's the damn 'on button' on this old-fashioned block of papers?"

    35. Re:Not statistically significant by thrawn_aj · · Score: 1

      It's not like he's moving the book up and down like a frakking dumbbell. Try holding a 5 pound dumbbell in front of your face for 3 hours (otherwise known as an iPad =] ). I keeed

    36. Re:Not statistically significant by thrawn_aj · · Score: 1

      Indeed. It also pains me deeply when I see any tom, dick and harry (harriet too) writing a book just because they farted yesterday and then wasting several trees putting out hardcovers of their braindump. You could get rid of 3/4 of the world's so-called literary output and raise its average quality by an order of magnitude.

    37. Re:Not statistically significant by Kreigaffe · · Score: 1

      By all accounts, I'm very slightly younger than you -- my first PC was a 286 8Mhz, which is smokin' next to a Com64, and I only got in to a bit of BBS online forums before the greater intarwabz took over..

      and reading a real book is much faster than reading crap on a screen. i've not fiddled overly much with e-books, but having tried in the past to read books on my PC I found it to cause greater eye strain, as well as simply being *harder to do*. Scrolling through text means it's very easy to lose your place, which rips you apart from digestion of information. That's why, as I noticed you doing, and as I am doing, we tend to excessively break apart what we write when it's being read on a computer. If forum posts were formatted 'properly', it's a Wall of Text, and Wall of Text is barely comprehensible.

      I imagine it's less of an issue on a good e-book reader, as I think a lot of it on PCs is due to the staring at a glowing screen with dark text and the brightness slightly overwhelming the dark of the letters. Back in the day, all serious computer users tended towards dark background + light text... but then that introduces its own problems, too

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    38. Re:Not statistically significant by jonbryce · · Score: 1

      He started learning the skills needed to write police reports when he started primary school.

    39. Re:Not statistically significant by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      >>>>>Also I suspect a good portion of those people were old and probably wasted a lot of time saying, "Where's the damn next button on this newfangled gadget?"
      >>
      >>Wow, there's a bit of bigotry snatched out of thin air.

      No. Bigotry would be if I said ALL old people have difficulty learning new technologies. Whcih I did not. I merely observed that a "good portion" of old people have trouble, and that's true. I spend more time teaching old people (60 and up) how to turn-on their new LCD-TV than I do with kids/teens/20-somethings that pick it up almost naturally.

      Also it's been proven by medical science that as the old brains advance, the neurons literally start to fall apart, which is yet another reason old people have difficulty with new technologies. Making this observation is no more "bigoted" than observing most old people have trouble walking, or have higher risk of heart attack.

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    40. Re:Not statistically significant by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      There was a New Outer Limits episode like that, and it wasn't funny.

      Basically the Cellular internet that fed information into everyone's brains suffered a collapse, and everyone was forced to learn the old-fashioned way: By opening a book. Of course first they had to learn what the scribbles on the page meant..... a bit of a challenge.

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    41. Re:Not statistically significant by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      >>>my first PC was a 286 8Mhz, which is smokin' next to a Com64

      Not really. In pure number crunching, yes, but when it comes to sound and graphics the C=64 is better. The old IBM PC suffered from a poor hardware architecture that made it run slower than it should have. (For comparison an ~8 MHz Commodore Amiga was all that was used to create Babylon 5, seaQuest, and several late 80s/early 90s Disney movies... slow CPU but fast architecture.)

      As for glare the color scheme used on the C64 was light blue on dark blue background - a nice eye friendly mix. On modern PCs I turn my screen as dark as I can get it with high contrast to bring-up the text. I prefer white or yellow words on a dark screen.

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    42. Re:Not statistically significant by Have+Brain+Will+Rent · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Of course it was an assumption. There was nothing in the argument to indicate that there was any age related correlations. He could have had any of a million different "suspicions" - there are lots of different "suspicions" one could come up with to explain the results - but he chose the one he did because it fit in with his own personal assumptions about things.

      Let's see, he said:

      Also I suspect a good portion of those people were old...

      Which is nothing but an assumption - there is absolutely nothing in the article to indicate anything that would reasonably generate his "suspicion".

      And then he goes on to show his opinion of "old people":

      and probably wasted a lot of time saying, "Where's the damn next button on this newfangled gadget?"

      Yeah... nothing bigoted about that. I suggest using the standard test: plug in another identifiable group and read the statement and see if it sounds bigoted. Hmmm

      I suspect a good portion of those people were Black and probably wasted a lot of time saying "Where's the damn button..."

      doesn't sound so good does it.

      As for your other comments, really they aren't relevant to what I was saying but let me respond briefly to your comment about people over 40. Someone 40 would have been 20 in 1990... I think they had electronics then. Someone 50 would have been 20 in 1980... I'm pretty sure they had electronics then... even, gasp, game consoles were around in the 80's... yeah most people even those over 40 have had lots of experience with electronics and other "new fangled" devices.

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    43. Re:Not statistically significant by Have+Brain+Will+Rent · · Score: 0, Troll

      I think you should read what you wrote - you quoted it yourself so it should be easy. You said "a good portion of those people were old" - meaning a good portion of those tested, not a good portion of old people - and then you went on to say "and probably wasted a lot of time". In other words that sub-group of people - all the old people (if there were any) in the group - probably wasted a lot of time. It is basic English. You did not say "a good portion of old people". As for

      No. Bigotry would be if I said ALL old people have difficulty learning new technologies.

      Hmmm if you had said "Most Blacks have trouble learning..." - without a whit of evidence to substantiate that that was what was happening - it would sound pretty bigoted. You don't have to slam 100% of a group to be bigoted you just have to imply that the group as a whole, or on average, is inferior to the rest of us as a whole or on average... not that every single member of the group is inferior.

      Woww the neurons literally fall apart... LOL ... how many of the participants do you suspect had their neurons "falling apart"????

      And wait a minute, you just said:

      Bigotry would be if I said ALL old people have difficulty learning new technologies.

      and then in the very same posting also said:

      Also it's been proven by medical science that as the old brains [no qualification used, not some old brains so by default all old brains] advance, the neurons literally start to fall apart, which is yet another reason [all] old people have difficulty with new technologies.

      So now you are referring to ALL old people which you yourself have said would be bigoted.

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    44. Re:Not statistically significant by zmollusc · · Score: 1

      Don't even attempt Hardy. Ass-numbingly dull to read.

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    45. Re:Not statistically significant by Darkman,+Walkin+Dude · · Score: 3, Informative

      Besides, admit it, most people who are over 40 take a little longer to adapt to using computers or to figure out some new-fangled program, video game, or cell phone

      Hate to break it to you, but the reality is that most people over 40 just don't have the patience for useless bullshit that a younger person might have, due mostly to decades of useless bullshit that gets obsoleted within three years anyway. If something needs to get done though, done it gets.

    46. Re:Not statistically significant by initialE · · Score: 1

      Scottie lifts the mouse gently.

      "Computer."

      "Com...puter?"
       

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    47. Re:Not statistically significant by yukk · · Score: 1

      I recall the pain in my hands when I was reading War And Peace dead tree version.

      Ugh, I remember pain in my brain from that darned book. After about 65000 pages I was still waiting to get to the good bit.
      I jest, but only barely.
      Mind you, I was reading an ebook on a palm pilot, so the whole thing probably was 65000 screens.

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    48. Re:Not statistically significant by yukk · · Score: 1

      Accordingly, you could argue that the discrepancy caused by old users might be balanced out by young users who wasted a lot of time saying, "Where's the damn 'on button' on this old-fashioned block of papers?"

      You mean, "I've read a whole page and I haven't received a single tweet. This sucks. Damn, how do I post on facebook with this thing. What was I doing again? This thing is heavier than my xbox controller. Ooooh, XBOX. Gotta go."

      Or if they were American, they were looking at the "book thingy" and wandering what it was for. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/21/AR2007082101045.html

      In 2004, a National Endowment for the Arts report titled "Reading at Risk" found only 57 percent of American adults had read a book in 2002

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    49. Re:Not statistically significant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suspect you are a homo that likes humping small children. Not making any assumptions here. I only 'suspect' it. Would people be less likely to like you if I told them that you regularly fucked chickens? Not that you do, just if told them that.

    50. Re:Not statistically significant by EggyToast · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm young (recently 30) and have great vision, yet I just recently discovered, thanks to a Kindle, that smaller font sizes make me sleepy. When I'm reading something, on a computer, book, kindle, whatever, if the font is small and I'm a bit tired, it takes a little more concentration to read the tiny font -- which subsequently tires my eyes out. With a comfortable font size, I can read for hours without feeling the least bit drowsy.

      And I don't think it has anything to do with screen size, either, as I've read whole novels on my iPhone -- with a reasonable font size, of course. But it wasn't until I had a device that let me simply change the size of the font instantly that I even noticed the issue. Now it makes me think differently about older people reading; I think my drowsy grandparents, who tear through paperbacks yet often fall asleep reading them, aren't actually just "old and tired" -- I think they simply go through the same thing my young eyes do.

      But to corroborate your main point, my parents love using their iMac and my grandparents recently got a "hand me up" laptop that they use for games and other stuff. In both cases, they just had to get over the "will I break it?" factor, and then they were zooming like any other human when confronted with an interesting object ;D

    51. Re:Not statistically significant by EggyToast · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Even if it's a small percentage slower than a paper book (which could simply be attributed to the slight delay from the e-ink refreshing, compared to turning a page), the fact that I can have a book with me wherever I am means I read a TON more. Some time after lunch at work? Whip out my iPhone (which syncs on the Kindle app). Wife trying on some clothes in a store? Whip out the iPhone.

    52. Re:Not statistically significant by Have+Brain+Will+Rent · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Wow... pointing out the error in someone's claim and then backing it up with actual quotes that substantiate that analysis gets multiple Troll(-1) mods? Or was it pointing out how bigoted some things sound when you apply them to a different group? Or was it disagreeing with someone's opinion about what 40 and 50 year-olds have experienced. Or maybe just ageist's who don't like being confronted with their own beliefs? Cause it sure seems a pretty pathetic attempt by some people to suppress something they are uncomfortable hearing. Yep, good going in your support of free and open debate! Today I especially love my sig. LOL!

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    53. Re:Not statistically significant by Have+Brain+Will+Rent · · Score: 1

      Hmm pointing out that what someone claims to have said is contradicted by the formal record of what they said is now considered a troll? Or was it pointing out that he first defined what would be a bigoted comment and then went on to make a comment that fell within his own definition of bigoted? Yep, sure want to silence anyone pointing out *those* kind of things! Today I love my sig especially so. Burn karma burn!!! LOL

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    54. Re:Not statistically significant by Trinn · · Score: 2, Funny

      In conjunction with my earlier post, I would imagine this also connects with changes in neurotransmission as one gets older, specifically it seems that dopaminergic neurotransmission slowly declines, and I would suspect so does serotonergic transmission, though I have not seen enough serious studies to determine exactly what is going on. I also would imagine that the changes that happen to any given individual are quite variable, based on similar genetic and experiential/environmental variations that produce the initial differences in learning patterns (which if they are too far outside of certain bounds are considered learning disabilities, such as autism (though this one has significant other involvement), add-i, add-h, etc.)

    55. Re:Not statistically significant by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      >>>"Most Blacks have trouble learning..." it would sound pretty bigoted.

      Yeah but saying "Most Blacks die of heart disease..." it would not be bigoted. It would be a fact which I could support with medical research that makes the same observation. There's nothing bigoted about stating what is true. Likewise there's nothing bigoted about saying old people have declining faculties (slower to learn, trouble walking, et cetera).

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    56. Re:Not statistically significant by Have+Brain+Will+Rent · · Score: 1

      But of course that isn't what you did and wasn't what you said.

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    57. Re:Not statistically significant by vanyel · · Score: 1

      I grew up on paper books and I still don't notice a difference. The study is full of it in my book.

  3. you cannot jump 30-pages by stanlyb · · Score: 1

    Yep, it is true, if some paragraph is boring, you cannot so easy jump over 20-30 pages. And of course, you are distracted by all these buttons, user interface, how to hold the device, and many many other little things...

    1. Re:you cannot jump 30-pages by delinear · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Novelty, too I guess. Most people have used paper books their whole lives. I'd be interested to see the tests in 20 years of kids who have grown up with ebooks as their primary source of reading material and how they get on when they're handed a real book.

    2. Re:you cannot jump 30-pages by therealobsideus · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Sometimes I may skip a paragraph, but I always go up and read it again. You never know when that boring, seemingly insignificant part of a story may become pretty critical later on. I've never jumped 20-30 pages :)

    3. Re:you cannot jump 30-pages by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Informative

      You can't? The only eInk device that I'm familiar with is my iLiad, which has a flip switch for turning the pages. If you flick it, you turn one page, if you hold it, you turn 5. Turning 30 is relatively easy. There's also a progress bar along the bottom, and you can just tap in the middle of it to jump a significant distance. It's not as fast as jumping to a specific page in a book, but it's pretty fast. The user interface on the iLiad is pretty poor, so I'd be surprised if it wasn't faster on other devices.

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    4. Re:you cannot jump 30-pages by pgmrdlm · · Score: 0
      Why the hell was this marked off topic? It is addressing a previous post's remarks and is relevant to the discussion.

      No shit, sometimes fucking moderators are just assholes.

      For fucks sake moderators, go back through the thread if you don't think something is on topic. You never know what the comment is about. Or what, are you just proving the statistics of this story by the way you moderate? You do not comprehend as well when reading electronic versus paper material.

      If your going to mark a lower post as off topic assholes, make sure you mark the leading post the reply to as off topic also. Fucking idiots.

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    5. Re:you cannot jump 30-pages by bigjarom · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I am a voracious reader. I've been using a program called Palm Reader on various Palm OS devices for 5 or 6 years, for nearly all my reading needs. I can read books on my PDA way faster than a paper book, probably because I'm so accustomed to it. The only thing it's not good for is heavily annotated books like War and Peace (which I am reading right now in paper form) with all the French-English translations in the footnotes.
      Reading on a small hand-held device (currently a Palm 755p) is far superior most of the time. It provides its own illumination for night reading, it's smaller and lighter than a book, and I can store hundreds (or more) of books on it at once. The only people it would be bad for are those with poor eyesight.
      As for where I get all my ebooks, that's a discussion for a different thread.

    6. Re:you cannot jump 30-pages by V!NCENT · · Score: 1

      I, for one, (and I share this with absolutely nobody it seems) read text about three times faster on my desktop compared to books/newspapers. The ability to highlight text on the fly while reading, the vast amount of extra text that you can view at once and the fact that it is 100% flat is just heaven to me.

      But I appear to be alone...

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    7. Re:you cannot jump 30-pages by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      I just wanted to add to this that one thing the reader I had for my Palm device had that I haven't seen elsewhere was the 'auto scroll' function. I loved laying in bed on my side and just watching the text rise. That was a great way to read a book and I wish I could find something like that on my iPhone.

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  4. Flawed Study? by Kneo24 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Maybe I'm just being obtuse here, but it wasn't clear to me if they read the same story on all of the platforms, or just had each person read the story once and the testers chose the platform for them.

    This is pretty significant. If you're going to have me read the same 30 pages over and over again, I may slow down due to boredom, or I may skim the pages and the progression appears to have increased.

    1. Re:Flawed Study? by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      I agree. I think that the reader should be required to different read works of similar length and difficulty on each device. The reader should also have a break in between each reading. The order that the devices are being used in, and the piece being read on each device could be randomized. They should also be required to answer questions about the work to determine how well they understood what they read.

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    2. Re:Flawed Study? by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 1

      The study has more flaws than I can count on both hands. Unless of course I use binary. Than its got 3 less.

    3. Re:Flawed Study? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I agree. I think that the reader should be required to different read works of similar length and difficulty on each device. The reader should also have a break in between each reading. The order that the devices are being used in, and the piece being read on each device could be randomized. They should also be required to answer questions about the work to determine how well they understood what they read.

      The humorous thing is that nearly all of these points were addressed in the second link of the summary. I guess we know where you'd rank on the reading comprehension part of the test.

    4. Re:Flawed Study? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you suggesting that the study was to have them each read the same story on the Kindle2, iPad, then paper, in that order??? No wonder they got faster with better retention as the study went on. LOL

    5. Re:Flawed Study? by my+$anity++0 · · Score: 1

      Exactly 1021 flaws?

    6. Re:Flawed Study? by masmullin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      1020. 0x3FF is the highest you can count on your fingers using binary. 1024 has the same "fingular" representation as 0.

      Some of us can only count to 255 however... my ring fingers are incredibly difficult to use when counting binary.

    7. Re:Flawed Study? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget flaw #0.

    8. Re:Flawed Study? by my+$anity++0 · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the correction, I did forget to start from zero.

  5. Sounds like a good thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Books should be read carefully and slowly. What's the rush?

    1. Re:Sounds like a good thing by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      Books should be read carefully and slowly. What's the rush?

      Since I've already posted in this thread, I can't mod you up, Mr. A.C., but you're 100% correct.

    2. Re:Sounds like a good thing by Skal+Tura · · Score: 1

      No rush, but faster reading usually translates to better comprehension, as the information flow is so slow that mind easily wanders off if you cannot read it fast. Also, calmer reading experience will result from being able to read slightly faster.

      Nevermind, time is precious in today's world. Then again, if you have time to read extensively, and more than just occasionally, you probably have enough spare time :)

    3. Re:Sounds like a good thing by log0n · · Score: 1

      Funny.. I'd have thought the exact opposite. Mildly slower reading would enable better comprehension and internalizing of what you just read. I know that's the case for me.

      The faster I read, the more my want to eyes skip ahead. I have to focus myself if I want to remember anything about what I just read other than the gist of it. I've switched to reading the words rather than processing them.

      I'm assuming the difference is marginal - a few wpm rather than half speed, etc.

    4. Re:Sounds like a good thing by bytta · · Score: 2, Funny

      Some books should be read carefully and slowly.

      Fixed that for you. Many dime-store novels are ruined if you read them too carefully and slow enough to take time to think about how dumb they are. E.g. anything by Dan Brown.

    5. Re:Sounds like a good thing by Trinn · · Score: 1

      I think it likely depends significantly on the person in question. People have very different modes of learning, determined by a number of things, likely all traceable back to differences in their serotonergic and dopaminergic neurotransmission, as well as some structural things connected with early life influence.

    6. Re:Sounds like a good thing by Phoghat · · Score: 1

      I agree. MAYBE the e book readers were a bit more intelligent and took notes or high lit things they wanted to remember, as I do. I don't scribble in the margins on paper books. Sister Mary Frances would rap my knuckles

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    7. Re:Sounds like a good thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Huge generalisation. Like most generalisations, not true. Some books are appropriately read carefully. Others are not. Some people read quickly, even when reading "carefully" (they will still score high on comprehension) - they may even score lower when frustrated by a book that cannot keep up with them.

      In summary - you are wrong.

    8. Re:Sounds like a good thing by Cowards+Anon · · Score: 1

      Books or e-books?

  6. I hope that e-books don't doom PC reading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    The e-books readers will never understand the precision offered by the keyboard-mouse combination. I find reading on the e-books without the keyboard and mouse to be like a cliff notes or graphic novel version.

    1. Re:I hope that e-books don't doom PC reading by aristotle-dude · · Score: 1

      The e-books readers will never understand the precision offered by the keyboard-mouse combination. I find reading on the e-books without the keyboard and mouse to be like a cliff notes or graphic novel version.

      Yes, because the keyboard and mouse have an effect on the actual content of the book. /SARCASM.

      This sounds to like an attempt to justify reading books on your PC rather than an actual reason.

      I don't know of anyone who reads e-books on a PC unless if they have no other choice because they are supplied on their work PC only.

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    2. Re:I hope that e-books don't doom PC reading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      whooooooosh

    3. Re:I hope that e-books don't doom PC reading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It sounded to me like a parody of the PC gamer attitude towards console gamers. Take a chill pill.

    4. Re:I hope that e-books don't doom PC reading by macshit · · Score: 1

      The e-books readers will never understand the precision offered by the keyboard-mouse combination. I find reading on the e-books without the keyboard and mouse to be like a cliff notes or graphic novel version.

      Yes, because the keyboard and mouse have an effect on the actual content of the book. /SARCASM.

      I think he was making a joke about typical PC gamer anti-console arguments...

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    5. Re:I hope that e-books don't doom PC reading by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2, Funny

      The e-books readers will never understand the precision offered by the keyboard-mouse combination.

      Not to mention the ability of the latter to provide for a quick 180 and a double-tap when a particularly nasty plot twist sneaks up on the unsuspecting reader.

    6. Re:I hope that e-books don't doom PC reading by dadioflex · · Score: 1

      Yup. I doubt he's really going to quake with fear about it. That would be unreal.

  7. even if this is true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Even if this is true (and I'm not sure it is), just the fact that I can have my Sony Reader with me at almost all times means that I get more reading time in than I would if lugging paper books around. And for the record, I still do read a fair number of paper books. The eReader supplements my paper book reading experience -- it didn't replace it, like so many people whom I know seem to believe happens (not surprisingly, those same people tend to view nearly everything around them in the same black-and-white terms).

    1. Re:even if this is true by ezratrumpet · · Score: 1

      Well said. Between my nook, iBooks, and Kindle apps, I think I have around 30 books on my iPad, not to mention the PDFs I carry around in GoodReader.

    2. Re:even if this is true by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      This. Frankly, it doesn't matter which is faster to read at all - it only matters which is more convenient. That is an awfully subjective metric, of course (and I know many people who don't like e-readers - to each their own), but it's also the only meaningful one.

  8. what score did dead trees get? by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 1

    I like to read on my handheld as much as real books :)
    but there are times when my n900 outshines literally a real book - night time curled up in bed with the lights off.

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    1. Re:what score did dead trees get? by stanlyb · · Score: 1

      I used to do it with my dead tree books during the long nights, but my doctor convinced me that my eyes are too precious and i need to keep them in good shape :).

    2. Re:what score did dead trees get? by put_it_down · · Score: 0

      My n800 was/is a godsend for that. I've been using it to study linux certification while on the go.

  9. Newbies by Tx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not being frivolous, but as far as I can tell, the users were new to reading ebooks, but presumably not so with paper books. If you were to turn the study round, and test people who were familiar with ebooks but not with paper, you might get a very different result, especially on the general satisfaction. On the rare occasions when I read a paper book these days, I find it very irritating that I can't flip pages one-handed, larger books are actually hard to hold one-handed, I have to remember to place a bookmark and be careful not to lose it, because the damn thing doesn't automatically open back up to the last page I read, etc etc. Of course paper-book people are so used to these limitations, they don't actually notice them.

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    1. Re:Newbies by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Good point - combined with the FP's concern about the low number of people involved in the study (n=24) and the various devices, we basically don't know anything new. If you have a 10% difference in a small, self selected sample then one should be very, very careful not to extrapolate this data much.

      My take home message: It's all about the same. Do what you like. Get off my lawn.

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    2. Re:Newbies by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      I dunno. Ive got a Nook, and the pages are both smaller than a typical paperback, and take longer to "turn." I would tend to believe the study, but I'd note that I'm still reading more books. The device is more portable than many paperbacks, and has access to a whole slew of classics from project Gutenberg (which I tried to read on my PC and just gave up on.)

      With the library offering eBook lending, there are even quite a few contemporary works that are at my fingertips, and it's far more portable than a cellophane-encrusted hardcover library book (which due to the cellophane, also tends to feel icky due to the "this is easy to clean, because a lot of people touch it" construction, just like hand-bars on the subway)

      I think it's good for reading more books, but I'm not going to go so far as to say that it's better in every way than real books.

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    3. Re:Newbies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I never understood these arguments. Regular books need two hands, they take up space, you er... have to remember to use a bookmark? ugh...

      I think the real issue is that people like me (who like paper books) actually like the haptic experience of reading. I enjoy placing my full focus into one thing. I don't care if I can't read the book one handed because I certainly won't be doing anything else while I read (and unless you are reading a massive book, I don't see how you can't read it one handed. I can hold Cryptonomicon one handed, I'm five nine and my hands are normal sized.)

      I like that books take up a physical space. I enjoy the design of different books. I enjoy the weight of a good long book or how slight some of the shorter novellas feel. I enjoy that good publishing houses pay attention to the typeface and the whitespace within the pages. I love when publishers use multiple color inks or add spotting or color to the page ends. I like the "art-house" books with textured pages and visceral covers. I don't want text wrapped to fit a screen. I want the book laid out in a way that is appealing, and hopefully in the way the author intended or approves.

      I don't mind placing a bookmark (or dog-earing pages or, gasp, just remembering what chapter I'm in....).

      It's the same reason I prefer sketching on paper to sketching on my cintiq. The cintiq has unlimited paper. I can adjust small errors on the fly, I can manipulate every aspect of my art in hitherto unimaginable ways... but it's not the same thing. It's a removal from the experience of actually working on something by hand. All of the convenience in the world is simply not worth the loss.

    4. Re:Newbies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In my experience it is much easier to find the page where I suspended reading with a paper book when I forget the bookmark. Often it just pops open just where I stopped, especially when the book is new - as usually the case. When I forget or lose the bookmark in an ebook reader, it's pretty difficult to find the page again, especially when the text is floating without real pages and page numbers. Also you can't comfortably flip through pages. Have you never seen or experienced yourself how well people can open a book at almost the exact chapter or page they're looking for? Much of the handling of paper books (and any other physical object) happens unconsciously. An ebook can make you feel almost handy-capped because you're limited to the conscious part of your brain as the interface leaves little to intuition. And no a slider does not count. Each paper book has different weight and dimensions.

    5. Re:Newbies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, comprehension for everyone was about 100%, which means that everyone could have read faster. So speed comparison was meaningless.

      I think thai I.A. Richards once pointed out that for aesthetic purposes, slow reading is BETTER than fast reading.

  10. How do you measure it? by mseeger · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think this depends how you measure it. During my last vacations i have read about 20 books all stored in my ebook reader. If i would have taken the time to buy/fetch new books every time from a bookstore, i would have read (on average) much slower. Having an automated bookmark for every book also saved a lot of time. So, it depends on the way of measuring :-).... as usual.

    CU, Martin

  11. As someone working in the paper book industry... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You should take these findings to heart and seriously consider not using e-readers.

  12. Users take time to adapt to new technologies. by mmcxii · · Score: 1

    News at 11.

  13. Hemmingway Boring? How dare you! ZZZ-zzz-ZZZ-zzz.. by tomhudson · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    ... Random example: Islands in the Sun, ch. 9. BORING! Too much dependence on dialog (typical Hemmingway). And he could have at least picked a better name for his main character!

    When the sun woke Thomas Hudson he went down to the beach and swam and then had breakfast before the rest of them were up. Eddy said he did not think they would have much of a breeze and it might even be a calm. He said the gear was all in good shape on the boat and he had a boy out after bait.

    Thomas Hudson asked him if he had tested the lines since the boat had not been out for big fish in quite a while and Eddy said he had tested them and taken off all the line that was rotten. He said they were going to have to get some more thirty-six thread line and plenty more twenty-four thread and Thomas Hudson promised to send for it. In the meantime Eddy had spliced enough good line on to replace the discarded line and both the big reels had all they would hold. He had cleaned and sharpened all of the big hooks and checked all the leaders and swivels.

    "When did you do all this?"

    "I sat up last night splicing," he said. "Then I worked on that new cast net. Couldn't sleep with the goddam moon."

    "Does a full moon bother you for sleeping too?"

    "Gives me hell," Eddy said.

    "Eddy do you think it's really bad for you to sleep with it shining on you?"

    "That's what the old heads say. I don't know. Always makes me feel bad, anyway."

    "Do you think we'll do anything today?"

    "Never know. There's some awfully big fish out there this time of year. Are you going clean up to the Isaacs?"

    "The boys want to go up there."

    "We ought to get going right after breakfast. I'm not figuring to cook lunch. I've got conch salad and potato salad and beer and I'll make up sandwiches. We've got a ham that came over on the last run-boat and I've got some lettuce and we can use mustard and that chutney. Mustard doesn't hurt kids, does it?"

    "I don't think so."

    "We never had it when I was a kid. Say, that chutney's good, too. You ever eat it in a sandwich?"

    "No."

    "I didn't know what it was for when you first got it and I tried some of it like a marmalade. It's damned good. I use it sometimes on grits."

    "Why don't we have some curry pretty soon?"

    "I got a leg of lamb coming on the next run-boat. Wait till we eat off it a couple of times--once, I guess, with that young Tom and Andrew eating, and we'll have a curry."

    "Fine. What do you want me to do about getting off?"

    "Nothing, Tom. Just get them going. Want me to make you a drink? You aren't working today. Might as well have one."

    "I'll drink a cold bottle of beer with breakfast."

    "Good thing. Cut that damn phlegm."

    "Is Joe here yet?"

    "No. He went after the boy that's gone for bait. I'll put your breakfast out there."

    "No, let me take her."

    "No, go on in and drink a cold bottle of beer and read the paper. I've got her all ironed out for you. I'll bring the breakfast."

    Breakfast was corned-beef hash, browned, with an egg on top of it, coffee and milk, and a big glass of chilled grapefruit juice. Thomas Hudson skipped the coffee and the grapefruit juice and drank a very cold bottle of Heineken beer with the hash.

    "I'll keep the juice cold for the kids," Eddy said. "That's some beer, isn't it, for early in the morning?"

    "It would be pretty easy to be a rummy, wouldn't it, Eddy?"

    "You'd never make a rummy. You like to work too well."

    "Drinking in the morning feels awfully good though."

    "You're damned right it does. Especially something like that beer."

    "I couldn't do it and work though."

    "Well, you're not working today so what's the goddam problem? Drink that one up and I'll get you another."

    "No. One's all I want."

    They got off by nine o'clock and went down the channel with the tide. Thom

  14. A few people will see this for what it is. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Letting tech people (PC World, Apple, Kindle, et al) run tests like this to measure a tech-type property (speed, efficiency) is letting the tech people dictate the nature of the questions being asked about an "item", in this case 'are ebooks better than paper books". The outcome is irrelevant; the debate is being guided by one participent only. It's as if the hard sciences are telling the liberal arts what you are allowed to enjoy based on the only tests accepted: Their tests. The paper book people appear to be sitting on their haunches. They're probably just disorganised, but that has no affect on the non-technological benefits of paper books to a reader. Benefits that might be very personnel and quite unquantifiable.

    By the way, I'm quite technological, not a 'phobe at all. But I'm smart enough to know that when tech companies say 'this is better' what they usually mean is 'empty my warehouse'.

    1. Re:A few people will see this for what it is. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but in this case, isn't pc-world saying "printed books are better." unless of course you're trying to say that there's some devilish game of reverse-psychology. inconceivable!

  15. Depends on purpose by iPhr0stByt3 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Electronic books can be indexed and searched (on a PC or iPad you can also copy/paste sometimes (depends on the source). If I were to read a novel, I would prefer it to be a hard-copy. But since 99% of books I read are technical I prefer being able to search for related information and for research I prefer my PC (if nothing else I can always save screenshots in OneNote). Though I've never used a kindle, so I don't know if/how good they can search?

    1. Re:Depends on purpose by Overzeetop · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You know, it depends on how well you know the reference and what you're looking for. I can find certain sections of commonly referenced code* far faster with a 1000 page book than I can look it up in e-form, since it takes far longer to grab the book and flip to (say) page 634 than to find and open the PDF**. For stuff I need to find, but I don't reference often, the computer can be faster since I can do a search. Oddly, things I almost never reference are usually faster in the paper version because I can "scan" the book faster and find the section I need (pdf readers really need to get better at flipping pages). This is particularly true since some searches are very hard to properly parse. A search for "exit stair width," for example, will find hundreds of hits as individual words, none as a phrase. What I would need to be able to search for is "width" in sections about "stairs" in the chapter(s) which cover "egress". None of the readers I have can do that, but I know that I can flip through about 40 pages scanning and find the one or two sections I need in less than a minute.

      *the International Building Code to be specific

      **I happen to use close to a hundred references in "daily" work, so shortcuts are pretty much useless - they still have to be filed somewhere. Even if it file is only three clicks and a keystroke away, I can get my answer faster than a 20-30MB PDF can open in any reader I've tried. Now, if someone can find a way to accelerate opening and - especially - thumnail indexing and page flipping, including with large images (12,000x16,000 bitmaps for arch. prints), I'm all ears.

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    2. Re:Depends on purpose by pgmrdlm · · Score: 1
      Personal reading for enjoyment, I use nothing but hard copy books. The argument that you can take 30 books on an electronic reader just doesn't wash with me. This reading is for enjoyment, and I would rather savor my joy one book at a time. If I am not reading it, it is because the story has lost my interest and I no longer want that book with me no matter what the source.

      Technical books, I prefer electronic. This is reference material, and I am a firm believer that there is never enough reference material. Being able to carry 30 books is an asset and improves job performance.

      Just my preference though.

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    3. Re:Depends on purpose by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      The argument that you can take 30 books on an electronic reader just doesn't wash with me.

      The main reason I like hard-copy books is because that's what's at the public library.

      And when I do buy a book, I like to be able to give it to a friend when I'm done without violating any laws or treaties. I don't have the need to amass a huge collection of books to feel smart or well-read.

      By the way, my summer reading recommendation for my fellow-slashdotters is The Mystic Arts of Erasing All Signs of Death by Charlie Huston. It's an ultra-violent, stomach-turning ode to redemption through love and human connection. Really a beautiful and touching book if you don't mind the spatter of bodily fluids and brain matter. Seriously. Read this book.

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    4. Re:Depends on purpose by pgmrdlm · · Score: 1

      lol, ok. I'm a blood and guts type of guy when it comes to reading. I currently am reading a Brad Thor novel called Takedown. I will have to check out The Mystic Arts of Erasing All Signs of Death by Charlie Huston. I am always looking for new authors.

      And I agree. I helped start a "book exchange" at my previous place of employment. Books are like knowledge, they are a good thing to share. You have never read enough books and you never have too much knowledge. lol, that kind of goes together though I would think.

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    5. Re:Depends on purpose by stripes · · Score: 1

      The argument that you can take 30 books on an electronic reader just doesn't wash with me. This reading is for enjoyment, and I would rather savor my joy one book at a time. If I am not reading it, it is because the story has lost my interest and I no longer want that book with me no matter what the source.

      Ok, how about some related arguments:

      • In a space/weight limited situation (like living in an RV) you might not be able to have more then a half dozen paper books, or at the very least you would have to decide what else not to own.
      • A regular house still has limited space. In an apartment it could be hard to have more then one or two bookcases. The basement of my house had about 10 or so.

      That won't apply so much if you only ever read the same half dozen books, or if you never reread books. (personally the last trip I took it was nice to have a fair number of books to choose from but only have to budget space for them...however for me it the bigger value is always having a book with me, bank lines, restaurants and such -- I have read more books per month since starting on ebooks, and I've been a big reader all my life)

      Just my preference though

      Thats cool. Some folks like paperbacks and some like hardbacks. I happen to like ebooks.

    6. Re:Depends on purpose by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      If you love Brad Thor, there's a good chance you're going to hate Charlie Huston.

      Actually, if you love Brad Thor, I forbid you from reading the book I've recommended. Better you should stick with the right-wing towel-snappers like Vince Flynn or Tom Clancy. The Mystic Arts of Erasing All Signs of Death would be wasted upon you.

      In Brad Thor, the blood and guts tend to be glorified. Not so in Charlie Huston. In Mystic Arts, the blood and guts are real, not out of a Michael Bay movie.

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    7. Re:Depends on purpose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have an ebook, and I'd never use it for reading technical books. The PC is far superior for that purpose. It's also next to useless for books that require going back and forth between sections in my opinion, like textbooks. I guess you could try using bookmarks, but it just seems too much of a hassle.

      Ebooks are great for novels. You just read sequentially and the devices always remembers where you've been. You can fit in a huge stack of books, so you've always got something new to read if you whish. Batteries on *real* ebooks (not ipad) last for ages.

    8. Re:Depends on purpose by pgmrdlm · · Score: 1
      lol, I think Tom Clancy has lost his touch. My favorite author would be Clive Custler. I've found Brad Thor to a hit or miss as to if I like him or not. This novel I'm just now finishing is one that I sat down and didn't touch for months because it just didn't hold my interest.

      I've read all of the Dan Brown series. And always before the movies came out. Angel and Demons was the best, with The lost symbol being the absolute worse. I have tried to find like subject manner, which has led me to James Rollins and a few other authors of the same type story line.

      lol, and I do read left wing material also. There is always a grain of truth in all positions. The trick is to find it.

      So, please. Just because you don't agree with my politics do not restrict my reading material. You would be surprised what I like to read. Hell, I know I am.

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    9. Re:Depends on purpose by pgmrdlm · · Score: 1
      You know, you made a very valid point that makes me change my position.

      Trips. No matter how you make the trip(plane, train, car), you have limited space. And books both take up space and make your luggage heavier. If your flying, this could cause the cost of your ticket to go up. Ok, you got me on this one.

      When it comes to the storage of books in my living area. I try to share my books with others after I have finished reading them. Or, I give them to the library. I don't like rereading books, just something I never did. I'm looking to go through all my books I have at the house now and give them to the library.

      Good point though about trips.

      Please note that I am only talking about the books that I own for reading pleasure.

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  16. Out of 7 ? by hey · · Score: 1

    Why didn't Mr Usability rate them out of 10 or 5?
    Scales most people are used to.

    1. Re:Out of 7 ? by Nemyst · · Score: 2, Funny

      A logarithmic scale from zero to 30*pi then?

    2. Re:Out of 7 ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He did a usability study on scales. In his tests, he learned most people preferred a 1-7 scale, as it was large enough to allow for some granularity without being so large as to be overwhelming.

    3. Re:Out of 7 ? by Blink+Tag · · Score: 4, Informative

      You've encountered seven point scales (often called Likert scales: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Likert_scale ) in the past. [Please select the best answer]

      - Strongly disagree
      - Disagree
      - Somewhat disagree
      - Neither agree nor disagree
      - Somewhat agree
      - Agree
      - Strongly agree

    4. Re:Out of 7 ? by iamnobody2 · · Score: 1

      But on what scale did he ask them to rate usability scales? Seems like there might be a bias towards whatever scale might be used.

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  17. Useless study by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry, but I think this is a useless study. Who the fuck gives a crap about reading speed, even controlling for comprehension? Is this that episode of the Simpsons where Lisa meets her erstwhile future husband?

    No, it's not. Reminds me of a time in High School, I was reading a book, somebody starting bothering me about how long I was taking to turn the page. They'd timed it or something. I told them to fuck off, I wasn't in a race with anybody to finish the book, or the page, and I liked it for the leisure.

    Yeah, I know, way to get ostracized in High school, but I'll be damned if it was even worth going anyway.

  18. Reading is harder on a monitor. by GarryFre · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Have you ever typed a document in, carefully checked for the numerous errors that a spell checker will not catch only to have the errors JUMP out at you once they hit print, only to go back, fix the errors only to have them jump out at you on second print or even third? I have my guesses as to this phenomenon, but I've observed it in myself and others time and time again. Sometimes when I'm programming and cannot find the problem I'll highlight the area and suddenly see the errors, so my guess is simply having the medium in your hand in print or on a different colored background without glare as on a monitor can cause you to connect better with the reading material and find the errors or comprehend things faster.

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    1. Re:Reading is harder on a monitor. by dstar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I have to think that this is because so many people insist on using dark text on a light background, which means that you effectively end up staring into a lightbulb all day long -- of course you miss things!

      I see people talking about studies which show that dark-on-light is easier on the eyes, but every one I've actually seen data for was for _non_-backlit surfaces.

      (Other possibilities include the fact that the spacing between lines -- leading -- needs to be proportional to the length of the lines, which it's not on any computer I've ever seen).

    2. Re:Reading is harder on a monitor. by AnonymousClown · · Score: 1

      There was studied that showed folks read slower on computer monitors - and I can't find the damn thing because Google insists on giving me a few thousand hits on speed reading and get you kid to read fast advertisements and how to make your monitor faster :-(

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    3. Re:Reading is harder on a monitor. by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      > Have you ever typed a document in, carefully checked for the numerous errors
      > that a spell checker will not catch only to have the errors JUMP out at you
      > once they hit print...

      Yes, but I can get the same effect by displaying the document in a different format and font.

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    4. Re:Reading is harder on a monitor. by GarryFre · · Score: 1

      Interesting!, Which makes me thing that I could use a program or functionality that would display my doc or highlighted material in random fonts and different backgrounds to help find errors.

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    5. Re:Reading is harder on a monitor. by foobsr · · Score: 1

      Any?

      CC.

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    6. Re:Reading is harder on a monitor. by imakemusic · · Score: 1

      I don't know about any studies but I do know that if I read white-on-black on a monitor (lcd or crt) for any length of time I end up seeing lines across my vision. Much more so and much after much less reading than from black-on-white. I've tried coding using light-on-dark but my eyes just can't deal with it.

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  19. Study done cold? by jridley · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It looks like they just handed an ereader to people who weren't necessarily familiar with them.

    My reading speed when I first got my reader was about the same as paper, probably a little slower. As I got used to it, I read faster and faster. After 2 years, my reading speed and comprehension on an ereader is much higher than it ever was with paper.

    Also take into account the fact that it's much easier to hold a reader than a paper book, and I don't ever have to hunt for a bookmark.

    1. Re:Study done cold? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      However on an e-book, each page has to be flipped rather than being able to read 2 pages on regular book before being flipped. That might account for the 5% speed difference for new users.

    2. Re:Study done cold? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I read a lot of non-fiction. I use both ebooks and regular books. In my experience I find reading from an actual book to much easier than reading from an ebook. After a couple hours I just cant continue reading on my computer. It does seem faster when you're scrolling an ebook than switching pages but I'd probably guess that I read faster on paper than on my computer.

      Ebooks however have the ability to ctrl-f. I hate knowing that I read something, somewhere but I cant find it again. I would prefer to have both the ebook and paper book so I could read the paper book and then use the ebook for reference in the future.

      One thing that is really annoying on an ebook is flipping through a couple hundred pages to find a specific page somewhere else in the book (ie to reread something you know is there). For some reason the spacial dimensions of a real book make this this task much easier. It's also easier to flip/scan through pages in a real book than it is on an ebook. On an ebook your eyes have to scan up and down the screen to see the entire page before moving on but in a paper book your eyes have to barely move at all before you switch to the next page.

  20. Bollocks by jasonq · · Score: 1

    Bollocks

  21. I have a study for you... by instantkamera · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This study is, as studies in general tend to be, lacking in real detail and offers no real conclusion. At best, it serves to inspire debate about shit that doesn't need debating.

    If you want to know how e-books compare to their print brethren, try an eReader or two out. Presumably, you have read countless paper-based writings, so you ought to know fairly quickly how well the format works for you.

    Sheer speed isn't necessarily the "be-all" either.

    Some reasons I have chosen the eReader format going forward:

    - Unlike someone mentioned above, "how to hold it" is far less of an issue with an object of consistent size than with varying sizes of books/novels/mags. I read a lot in bed, laying on one side or the other. This generally means that, while one page will be a totally comfortable read, the opposite side requires a change of placement of book, head, or both. Other issues arise with the size of a book and amount of pages. The start/end of a large book can be unbalanced due to the distribution of the pages, thus being difficult to read.

    - I find the same issue (how to hold) actually kept me from reading most books in public places (such as the metro, where you have limited space and time). NOw it is far easier to hold my ereader (sony 505) in one hand than most books, and I can flip the page with that same hand. This means I will actually break out a book on a 10 minute bus ride, where I did not bother to before.

    - Portability: The fact that I can carry around a TONNE of books in one tiny form-factor means I can do far more reading when I am not at home.

    - variable text size: This actually allows me to read faster as I dont find myself getting "lost" in large paragraphs of text, causing me to have to re-read parts of a book.

    - exposure to new material: Let's face it, not everyone can get published, and no one want's to read a 100+ page pdf on their computer. I think the single largest benefit to these devices is that it allows you to read things you otherwise would not be able to. It lends exposure to the "little guy" (I have friends who have written whole novels, theses etc that I am now able to read).

    There are more pros, and certainly some cons too, but the bottom line is that I am reading far MORE (and more varied) material now with my eReader than I ever was. Isn't that the most important thing.

    1. Re:I have a study for you... by comp.sci · · Score: 1

      Lacking in detail and lacking a real conclusion as studies tend to be? This really depends on your definition of a study. A "study" that leads to a newspaper article (like this) can't be held to the same standards as a study that appears in a peer-reviewed journal. Please don't let this little experiment color your image of actual research.

  22. Pages. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It takes longer to turn a page on my Nook than it does to turn a real page. ENTIRE STUDY CONFIRMED!

  23. Sloooow by Wowsers · · Score: 1

    eBooks are slower to read than a normal paper book?

    Welcome to the wonderful world of [charge battery] computing. In this ebook you will discover the [charge battery] way computing has [charge battery] changed our lives in all sorts of [charge battery] gadgets.

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    1. Re:Sloooow by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      I've last recharged my Sony PRS-505 about two weeks ago, and I use it daily, so I'm not sure what your point is (if there even is one).

    2. Re:Sloooow by treeves · · Score: 1

      That your situation is not the norm?

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    3. Re:Sloooow by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Well, given that it says "Battery life: two weeks (average)" on the box, I'd say that it is actually very much the norm. If anything, excellent battery life is one of the few undisputed advantages of eInk screens.

    4. Re:Sloooow by treeves · · Score: 1

      But the majority of people reading e-books are using smartphones, iPads, netbooks, laptops, etc., *not* e-readers, from what I gather.

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    5. Re:Sloooow by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      But the majority of people reading e-books are using smartphones, iPads, netbooks, laptops, etc., *not* e-readers, from what I gather.

      But are they?

      Given the popularity of Kindle, and Sony and others also increasing their sales in its wake, I'm not so sure about that. I definitely don't know many people who use netbooks for extended periods of reading, iPad has just been released, and I've only ever seen younglings (like myself, heh) reading from smartphones, I presume due to their smallish screen which isn't particularly convenient for reading.

      But I don't claim to be any more informed on this than you are. If you have a reference for some study about what devices are more popular for e-books, please link to it. Without that, we don't really know - any personal experience is not conclusive.

  24. "PC World reports...." by SandyBrownBPK · · Score: 1

    Say, "Hugh Pickens..." Your link points to a PCMAG article, not PC World! Wondering if you can read from any format...

  25. Interesting tidbits, and glaring holes by obarthelemy · · Score: 1

    sorry, not about goatsee, move along now...

    1- the LCD-based iPad, e-Ink Kindle, and paper book all scored basically the same. Would a Retina or PixelQi screen score even higher, or does that mean that existing screens are good enough, and further enhancements are superfluous ?

    2- The study is lacking is several aspects: no variation in lighting, no information on the setting (bed ? desk ? john ? public transport ?), no information on retention either (I've read somewhere else than proofreading is much more accurate on paper than on-screen)

    3- 17 min is a very short time, I often read for hours at a time. Eye fatigue sets in over time, not after a quarter of an hour.

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    1. Re:Interesting tidbits, and glaring holes by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      sorry, not about goatsee, move along now...

      1- the LCD-based iPad, e-Ink Kindle, and paper book all scored basically the same. Would a Retina or PixelQi screen score even higher, or does that mean that existing screens are good enough, and further enhancements are superfluous ?

      Oh, gah, I hope not. Just because some (many, even, by the conversations I've had) people have crappy visual acuity, I don't want to have to suffer with N dpi is the "standard" that 100% make products to, when anything less than M (M>N) dpi looks aliased and crappy to me, personally. (at least, for the next few years anyway. I'm not under any illusions that I'm going to get to keep my acuity)

      "Good enough" for most people leaves a not insignificant number of people who it's "barely passable" for. Why not try and scoop them up, too?

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  26. Excuse me sir pardon me by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 1

    did you claim to say reading eBooks takes more time than reading real books? That a company who publishes real books and magazines like PC World would conduct a scientific study they claim is unbiased even if they are in the very business that eBooks threaten to compete with and possibly shut out. That they are not doing this to manipulate, scare, or use psychological warfare/operations to get more people to avoid the eBook market and buy more of their paper based books and magazines?

    If you say so sir, but me and Mrs. Columbo seem to think that scientific studies done this way by biased sources, based on history always make biased claims and just McDonald's will do a scientific study showing their food is healthly and allows one to lose weight by eating a lot of it, and Microsoft claims Linux, a competitor to Windows has more security holes and bugs in it and that so does Firefox have more bugs and security flaws than Internet Explorer that this is starting to develop into some type of pattern.

    But you know sir, figures can lie, but sometimes liars figure that even a peer reviewed scientific theory proven the best way it can will fool people even if it is biased and a sockpuppet scientist or someone else rubber stamped it for money and called it a peer review, but I digress if the public ever find that out, or figures out such things happen, no public relations you can do will be able to recover from this.

    Oh yeah one more question sir, if eBooks are electronic books and digital information in the same way as web sites like say Slashdot are, and other studies show that one can read web pages (digital information) faster than printed newspapers, books, and magazines and these scientific studies were done by third party neutral scientific groups with no bias and nothing to gain, why is yours right and theirs is wrong?

    Oh yeah sir, I hate to keep bothering you like this, but one more thing that bugs me, maybe you can shed some light on it, there was once a scientific theory and study that said boys were smarter than girls long ago. Because of this most of western civilization considers females to be weaker, less intelligent, and not to be treated with equal rights as males are. It was peer reviewed and proven. Then later as new theories and new technology and ideas came about they found out that girls learn education differently than boys do and that they had to change the way they teach so girls can learn and reach their potential, so something that was through to be true a long time ago and scientifically proven was later found to be flawed and wrong and in error. So education got changed to adapt to teaching girls to help them learn better and become smarter, even than most boys. That in some areas girls, women, and females in general are smarter than us males, and because of this type of stuff kept most women from entering the math and science areas which is why males had dominated them, but now due to this correction more women are getting into Math and Science areas and more women are attending colleges than men now. They didn't do the research to see how education worked that allowed boys and girls to learn and see if it was a factor. I believe using my own powers of logic deduction and detective mode, that your study used people not as smart as most on the Internet who use eBooks and thus took longer to read because they weren't computer savvy or technical enough to figure out how to use an eBook reader properly as most Slashdotters that could be used in such research may be used to find out they read eBooks faster than real books because they understand how tech works and electronic devices being the geek geniuses that we are, instead of the average person who cannot figure out what the difference between "save" and "save as" and choose RTF or Word 2002/2003 format for Office 2007/2010 to share documents with older versions of MS-Office and non-Windows machines that cannot read such files.

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  27. I'm fast by FRiC · · Score: 1

    I don't know about others, but reading e-books on LCD screens is much faster for me since there's no pause in having to flip the page, just touch/press and go. I'm much slower when reading on the Kindle since the page refresh takes so long and I literally have to wait for the next page to come up. I really like the Kindle's e-paper display but the page refresh, the color inversion, and waiting drove me nuts.

    I don't quite understand why the Kindle needs to invert to black and back when flipping pages but the web page can scroll and update without inverting. It would have been really nice if there was an option to flip pages without the color inversion.

    Anyway, my favorite reading device right now is the iPod touch since it's easy to hold in one hand and "flip" with my thumb. I can read really fast and I've already read hundreds of books with it. It's not so good for technical reference though, probably an iPad...

    1. Re:I'm fast by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 1

      The color inversion happens because e-ink screens are bistable -- the screen uses no electricity when it's displaying either the light or dark elements. In order to change what's shown on the screen, it needs to 'clear' what was displayed previously. This manifests itself as a brief 'flashing' of the screen. Incidentally, when it flashes is the only time that an e-ink screen consumes any energy. Conversely, your LCD monitor that doesn't require this flashing is constantly using electricity.

      Also, the flash only takes about a quarter of a second. How long does it take you to turn a page in a paper book? I guarantee it's not too different. Certainly not enough to make an appreciable difference in your reading speed.

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    2. Re:I'm fast by Simulant · · Score: 1

      "Also, the flash only takes about a quarter of a second. How long does it take you to turn a page in a paper book? I guarantee it's not too different. Certainly not enough to make an appreciable difference in your reading speed"

      I disagree. I love my e-paper reader but the slow page turn is annoying and does slow me down. Reading paper, I generally have a page half turned part way through the last paragraph. Page turns are much. much quicker.

      Also I think I have more of a tendency to read every word on an e-book page as opposed to frequently skimming through words on paper. I often flip back a paper page if I realize I skipped something important but cost to do so on an e-paper device seems to high, time wise.

    3. Re:I'm fast by PCM2 · · Score: 1

      The color inversion happens because e-ink screens are bistable -- the screen uses no electricity when it's displaying either the light or dark elements. In order to change what's shown on the screen, it needs to 'clear' what was displayed previously. This manifests itself as a brief 'flashing' of the screen. Incidentally, when it flashes is the only time that an e-ink screen consumes any energy. Conversely, your LCD monitor that doesn't require this flashing is constantly using electricity.

      That might be true, but it sure seems to use a lot of energy when it does change the page. I've had a Nook for about a week, and the stated claims of 10-day battery life seem ridiculously overinflated. Reading for about two hours seems to use between 15-20 percent of the battery's charge, and that's with all wireless connectivity disabled. What on Earth is sucking all that power, if the screen is only using power when it changes the page, is beyond me. Either the motherboard or the OS have terrible, power-sucking design flaws or else the e-ink screens' power advantage vs. LCDs really isn't that significant.

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  28. Page Flip Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm just wondering if these have been corrected for page flip times. That might account for the apparent slower read time...

    1. Re:Page Flip Time by instantkamera · · Score: 1

      I'm just wondering how, all these years, flipping a page in a book/magazine has been instantaneous for everyone else but me ...

  29. I don't have a caravan entourage... by jbarr · · Score: 1

    ...but I can carry hundreds of eBooks, multiple Bible versions, dictionaries, and the entire text dump of Wikipedia (Wiki2Touch), and still have room on my iPod Touch to carry music and videos. Yes, paper absolutely has its merits, but the convenience of sheer volume of a portable eReader often outweighs those merits.

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    1. Re:I don't have a caravan entourage... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Books are for reading, not for carrying them around.

  30. Intelligence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did they also measure and compensate for the average intelligence of the iPad owners?

  31. Show/demonstrate/proof != suggest by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 1
    From TFA (em mine).

    The result? A 24-user study showed that reading from a printed book—versus an e-book on any of the three tested devices—was a faster experience to a significant degree.

    The user study group is too small to be statistically significant. It can't possibly "show", "demonstrate", much less "prove" what TFA claims it does. At best, the article should read that findings of this user-study group suggest that reading from a printed book versus an e-book might be a faster experience under certain conditions... further research is needed.

    But then again, it's PCMag for Xenu's sake.

    Having said that, from my own experience using a Kindle 2 for both technical and leisure books, a printed book is a much faster read for me. I stopped buying e-books because of this. Any other new purchases have been in the form of old/used printed books (much cheaper and much more efficient for reading.)

    I can only conjecture that this is because of ergonomics and screen size. I can see much more text at once in a printed book than with a Kindle 2. I can scan for key phrases before immersing myself in a page faster. I can backtrack pages faster (to reinforce what I've read so far.) Flipping through physical pages seem faster and more efficient than scrolling through screens (which is also why reading from a book is more efficient than reading from a scroll or concertina-styled folded document.). I can bend the tip of an arbitrary page (for bookmarking) and go back to it faster than trying to bookmark and navigate to it in a Kindle (can't speculate about the iPad, though.).

    Unless there is a breakthrough in HCI, reading from a physical book will most likely be more efficient than using the e-reading technology we have today.

  32. Sony eReader PRS-600 by Cruciform · · Score: 1

    I have the PRS-600 and I like it, but I do find that I spend more time than I'd like shifting it around to get glare off the screen.
    Additionally some of the books I've downloaded from Project Gutenberg are formatted strangely, and have carriage returns part way through lines. (Commercial ebooks are fine so far.)
    Both issues tend to slow down my reading experience.

    I also wouldn't recommend the PRS-600 for reading PDF based ebooks. The text reflow is bearable but if there are images or scripting it murders the document.

    But it's a nice portable solution for carrying your favorite literature around.

    1. Re:Sony eReader PRS-600 by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Additionally some of the books I've downloaded from Project Gutenberg are formatted strangely, and have carriage returns part way through lines.

      It's the historically popular plain text format with hard line breaks, usually at 72 chars per line. Most readers, both software and hardware, don't have precisely 72 chars, so they have to wrap those lines. With hard line breaks, what you get in effect is paragraph-per-line.

      Something like calibre can easily detect and fix this, though. Or you can write your own Perl one-liner.

    2. Re:Sony eReader PRS-600 by Cruciform · · Score: 1

      I guess when they create the .epub format books they're just automating it from the straight text documents, hence that formatting.
      I do use Calibre so I'll have to investigate :)

  33. Quality of the eBook version? by DaScribbler · · Score: 1

    I saw no mention in the study on verifying the accuracy and quality of the ebook version. I myself have some of Hemingway's work on my Kindle and was frustrated at how poorly they were converted to ebook format.

    I've taken note many times how I tend to chew through books a lot faster on my Kindle than I do with dead tree books. Except those books where I find myself stumbling on misspellings, typos, etc... sometimes to the point where it was obvious an entire word was misinterpreted when going through it's OCR process. When I stumble upon a book as poor as that, my reading speed slows to a crawl.

  34. Damn you Kindle!!!!! by davidwr · · Score: 1

    I would've had 1st post but I was reading this on my e-book reader.

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  35. [obligatory] In Soviet Russia,. . . by cashman73 · · Score: 1

    E-Books Read YOU!

  36. So What? by Alerius · · Score: 1

    If I'm looking at reading fiction, like a short story by Hemingway, how fast I can get through it isn't of interest to me. Speed of use becomes a factor if I am checking a reference manual, in which case full text searching is sure a lot easier than relying on an index or table of contents.

    There are a lot of reasons I would consider an iPad, Kindle, or some other electronic reader (I use my iPod Touch to read books now) as an alternative to print and speed of completion isn't one of those considerations. I think this is really an oversimplified measure of "best", especially if one is trying to rate overall "usability" which this test proposes to assess.

  37. Jacob Nielsen knows how to put a report together by Flipao · · Score: 1

    But a study with 24 users holds little statistical relevance, it's simply too small a sample. He did the same thing with an usability report on the iPad, where he'd tested it with a whooping 6 or so subjects.

    The results get the headlines and most people don't bother in reading the report so it gets far more credibility than it deserves.

    Out of the people I studied back in Uni this guy is by far the laziest :)

  38. No post about Endnotes? by xcorex · · Score: 1

    If you are reading an e-book and it has Endnotes instead of Footnotes, than man, you got a problem...

  39. I'm typing very sloooowly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...because I know you can't read very fast on your PC.

  40. my experience by BlueYoshi · · Score: 1

    I own a ereader (now broken) and I read a lot. I did notice that the fact that you have less surface and that turning page takes more time make me read slower. I am waiting for the Entourage Edge in Europe to try with a bigger screen.

    I didn't measure the difference in speed but I would say that I did go from 100 p/h to 80. But it's really an estimate. If you read faster it is an handicap.

    I would say that when you are looking for a page in a reference book it can be quite fast because you remember where the page is. But I hope that the evolution of interfaces will make a good experience.

    --
    "Use cases are fairy tales..." I. S. 2005
  41. Absurd by Rix · · Score: 1

    So they tested a bunch of people intimately familiar with printed books, and found that they had a slight disability with a format they'd not used before.

    As long was we're throwing around anecdotal bullshit, I'll note that I read a lot faster and more frequently with my Reader.

  42. no more than an advertising firms marketing survey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    small sampling, short stories.

    how about something useful like long stories(full novel) with a large sampling group. That would be a real study. Average WPM, the ability to read on the device for more than 20 minutes without eye strain... This "study" was no more than a marketing survey that many advertising firms do. (you know just before pushing a product no matter the results)

  43. Hemingway? by tommut · · Score: 1

    Christ, they were reading Hemingway? I'd like to see the results of actually having "read" the story, electronic device or no. Did you ever try reading The Old Man and the Sea in high school? Ten fucking pages describing the crest of a wave. I guarantee you 50% of the pages in the survey were skimmed at best.

  44. shouldn't we be test LIBRARY readability? by obiter · · Score: 1

    This test is only on readability of a single book (quite validly, and they pretend nothing else). Being able to access and/or transport a huge list of books easily on digital media is also good, not to mention being able to access the net for other reasons, and all without carrying around a separate device. Given that I like to carry a laptop, and that its screen makes it HANDS FREE on a table, or at night on my doona (mouse under doona!) I will stay with the laptop.

  45. I wonder how good the PC screen was? by obiter · · Score: 1

    I have a pretty good 24" lcd (a dell 2407wfp), which is big enough that I can put it about a metre away (or more) and still read pdf files (and html, which conveniently wraps when zoomed). It means i can read without glasses, so I can have tv in the background.

  46. I'll buy it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From personal experience, it does take me a lot less time to read a proper book. I have a hard time reading ebooks. For some reason, it's hard to focus vs. reading a hard copy of a book.

  47. Speed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So is speed the most important factor? Let's see who can carry the most books.

  48. Screen width is a major factor in reading speed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm betting the short story was printed on a normal paperback. Paperbacks are significantly narrower in width, thus allowing for easier scanning by the eyes as the text continues from one line to the next. It is always harder to keep track of where the next line is when a page or screen is wider. That is why the ebooks take longer to read - because the eyes take a little longer to find the next line.

  49. Dictionary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder if the study took into account the dictionary feature. It takes me longer to read using my iPad because when i come across a word i am unsure of i use the dictionary feature to look it up. So:

    1. Did they allow or pay attention to when that feature was used?
    2. Did they give a dictionary to the ones who were reading an actual book?

    With the first the study could be flawed because someone might look up a word they otherwise wouldn't have. With the second, well obviously the built in dictionary is much faster.

  50. Oddly enough... by grikdog · · Score: 1

    I haven't manage to finish a single ebook in ANY format, talk about coincidence! Half-price Books here in town has a better deal on most titles, too.

    --
    ``Tension, apprehension & dissension have begun!'' - Duffy Wyg&, in Alfred Bester's _The Demolished Man_
  51. actually.... by vuffi_raa · · Score: 1

    I am using an astak reader and I read faster on it- why? because I don't lose my place as often when someone is trying to talk to me or other such interruptions- so I end up not reading the same page multiple times like I do with a paper book

  52. ebook reader by gsmraxe · · Score: 1

    Does it really matter how fast/slow someone reads on a ebook reader? Shouldn't it matter more how MUCH MORE we read with them? I have a JetBook http://www.jetbook.net/
    and I read more now for the simple reason that I can take my reader anywhere with me, and it's not a big clunky 1000 page book that I can't fit into my bag.

    My ebook reader is one of my favorite electronic gadgets that I've purchased lately. It's fantastic!

  53. I actually read ebooks faster by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

    Mainly because I can read the same book on multiple devices. I normally read a paper book at home, go off and do other stuff, and don't get back to it until I get back home.

    I might start an ebook on my iPad, read on my iPhone where I left off, and when I get back home to the iPad, I'm at least a chapter ahead of where I was that morning.

    --
    Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
  54. Why are you even trying? by IllusionalForce · · Score: 1

    The only statistics you can trust are those you falsified yourself.