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Sony Has Lost the PS3 Hacking War
YokimaSun writes "Sony may have dealt a major blow to the PSjailbreak sellers, but the release last week of PSGroove, an open source version of the hack, has now opened the floodgates of ports to mobile phones such as the Nokia N900 and Palm Pre. The final kick in the teeth is that a port of the exploit has been released by Waninkoko of Wii custom firmware fame for the Dingoo Handheld, which is a homebrew console that is very popular amongst emulation fans. It makes you smile that you can use one homebrew console to hack another to get homebrew on that console. Awesome."
pudge notes that you can apparently do the same with a TI-84 Plus graphing calculator (YouTube video).
The only thing Waninkoko is famous for is not thinking before releasing things. He put out a USB .iso loader, for example, that made the pirating possible on a large scale and caused Nintendo to step up patching the Team Twiizers hacks. Don't paint him as a god! He didn't even make any "Custom Firmware", only a few patches to the wii's system menu.
Maybe this battle was a loss, but as long as Song can force firmware updates, the war is far from over.
There's aslo an iOS version being made that'll run from a jailbroken iPhone.
It makes you smile that you can use one homebrew console to hack another to get homebrew on that console. Awesome.
First of all, this is just used for pirating purposes. In fact that's the only thing the hack allows, so drop the homebrew bullshit.
Secondly, Sony has lost the PS3 hacking war? These hacks are fully detectable by PS3 and Sony. Those who have used them have already been banned from PSN and multiplayer games. What a great way to ruin your expensive console.
u just don't "get it"
Saw a video of a palm pre hacking the PS3 yesterday.
Good-bye
The hack exploits a bug in the USB code on the PS3. A firmware update will render every single one those hack versions useless.
That's nowhere near a victory of any kind.
You're making a whole lot of assumptions. Following the news of this exploit, there's been no evidence of reaction from Sony beyond the lawyer attacks on distributors. It's true the commercial product is designed for backups (which may be used for piracy, but aren't necessarily), but it does allow adding other code - including homebrew. There simply isn't any around yet. I've been looking into the code injected to see if I can figure out a way to replace it with a Linux bootloader, and so far, this looks doable (but far from easy).
So, 1) this is not *just* used for pirating. 2) that is not all it allows. 3) you're the first I've seen spouting the rumour of people being banned from PSN for this. 4) Sony went right ahead and "ruined" the console months ago.
Sony have taken a surprisingly long time to react on the firmware side of things - they were quicker than this to kill Other OS when they weren't even threatened and knew the attack would have no positive effect.
I have been effectively banned for much less reason, however - insisting on keeping functionality I bought the machine for. SCE started the attack on me back in April, and I'm trying to regain what they've unrightfully removed.
If SCE had any interest in goodwill, they could release an update that reenables Other OS. Contrary to some spurious claims, the function required no extra work on their part - they only made changes to it to prevent Linux from getting "too good" at graphics, which is frankly laughable. It also didn't need removal to fit newer features, as it only existed on models with larger flash in the first place. If Other OS continued working as it should, I'd have no reason to spend so much effort on these exploits.
Unshockingly enough, Sony crushed a commercial seller of a PS3 mod device like a bug. Even if the law weren't probably unfavorable to the sellers, Sony probably could have just tied them up in injunctions forever anyway. Shocking.
Equally unsurprisingly, halting the distribution of some OSS software is going about as well as the fight against DVD Jon's little toy did. It's totally unwinnable, and Sony hasn't shown many clear signs of even trying. Shocking.
However, it isn't clear how much this matters. This isn't CSS, where the system was set in stone, millions of un-patchable, non-internet-connected hardware units were already in the wild, and team DRM pretty much just had to suck it up. Those were the good old days.
Sony controls the Playstation Network, and can enforce minimum software versions for access, or punitively lock out units. Even for offline users, individual game disks can mandate, and include, upgrades to a higher version. Sony has, certainly, lost the game against anyone content to just pick up an old PS3 fat on ebay and enjoy a pirated copy of every PS3 game to date, all for ~$200. You'll have to stay offline, and avoid games with mandatory upgrades; but not a bad deal on the whole, I can certainly see a fair few takers.
However, unless this USB hack is seriously powerful, exploiting some basically unblockable fundamental flaw in the PS3's design, all PS3s that ship more than a few weeks from now, are updated(manually or automatically) to the next firmware revision, or wish to play newer games or use newer peripherals, or play online, are back in Sony's camp. And, unlike a DVD or Blu-ray disk, where the plaintext copy, once created, is eminently playable on all sorts of 3rd party devices, general purpose computers, and whatnot, PS3 games are pretty much only playable on PS3s, pending substantial advances in computing power that will allow emulation. This isn't "hack once, run anywhere." Each individual PS3 is controlled separately, and the success of the hacking device depends on how many hackable PS3s remain in the wild, a variable over which Sony has substantial control...
So it enables piracy. But if it adds more functionality because of it, that much the better.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
...who hasn't updated since April 1st and doesn't use the PSN service, what does Sony banning users mean to me? Absolutely nothing. I owe these people nothing. I owe Sony nothing. If Sony has a problem with me using this knowledge to my own personal benefit, tough luck jack. I lost any inclination I had to buy from them EVER again on April 1st. I had been a fairly loyal customer up to that point (Sony TV, DVD player, etc...).
Serves Sony right for bullying us into giving up Linux on our PS3! I'm sure this would have eventually have happened but it makes me smile that it happened so soon after they specifically took away the Other OS option to avoid their console getting hacked. Talk about bad karma.
Sorry. Sony already ruined their own expensive console by removing marketed features after the fact.
"He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing." --Paul Atreides, Dune
> First of all, this is just used for pirating purposes. In fact that's the only thing the hack allows, so drop the homebrew bullshit.
My [CD/DVD ripper, portable music player, old console emulation software, BitTorrent client, external hard drive] is just used for pirating purposes. In fact that's the only thing the device allows.
Clearly we should ban all those things because they enable piracy.
That Anonymous Coward guy is pretty annoying. Can we have the government censor him or something?
It has been years since I owned a console (Turbografx 16), after reading about the power of the Cell, I wanted to get a PS3. Not just for games but for Linux! However it turned out one couldn't full harness the power of the PS3 with Linux. So, I didn't get one. Thru the years, I'd check and see if any breakthrus were made or if Sony changed their stance. Well, with the release of the Slim models, the stance changed all right.
Since I own a N900 (Great hardware, great OS, great community! Nokia however is frustrating.) and seeing the release of PSFreedom was interesting to say the least. However at the moment all one can do is backup one's games. While it will be interesting to watch what happens in the homebrew scene, where does that leave those like myself that would want to do something legitimate with the PS3?
In my case, for years I've wanted to port KnoppMyth (now LinHES) to the PS3. Now, it seems that things maybe falling in place that would allow that. However thanks to corporate decisions and the law (DMCA), I probably won't be able to do so. Talk about crippling innovation.
When the source is open, the possibilities are endless.
Piracy and multilayer do not mix. Anyone careless enough to use hacked consoles on the PSN deserves the ban. And it's only been a few months after a bunch of modded console owners got shafted. You'd think people will learn by now.
It was just a matter of time till it got hacked. Props to sony for making it this long. I don't mod my systems untill I have the next gen one in my hands and working since then it extends the life or use of the old console. By that time then the hackinng is more perfected and I have a much better chance of bricking my machine...but meh each to their own.
Those who have used them have already been banned from PSN and multiplayer games. What a great way to ruin your expensive console.
Not everybody's idea of an enjoyable gaming experience involves trading insults with hormonal 15 year-olds, nor does $300 meet everyone's definition of "expensive." Jailbreaking is appropriate for anyone who either doesn't care about online features, can afford two consoles, or both. I suspect that's a not-insignificant portion of current and potential owners.
https://www.eff.org/https-everywhere
I think, at this point it is supposition that Sony can detect the use of a backup. If they can, how does that make you feel if you legitimately own a game and back it up? More importantly, what else do they know about you and what are they doing with that information? I'm not talking about piracy, I'm talking about your rights as a consumer and your rights online.
When the source is open, the possibilities are endless.
In fact that's the only thing the hack allows, so drop the homebrew bullshit.
So, what, somehow this hack allows one to run pirated content, but it *doesn't* allow one to run homebrew? I suppose you have evidence for this idiotic claim?
When will the figure out that once you SELL something to somebody, you no longer own it. I'm sick of companies telling me what I can and cannot do with my hardware after I buy it. I should be able to access the PSN with a modded playstation the same way I'm able to get service on a rooted phone. The first people to make an open game console (with comparable/superior hardware of course) are going to be rich.
"People don't want to learn linux" hasn't been a valid excuse since '03.
Sony won because they managed to delay for nearly 4 years the break in the PS3 security, They are not losing money on the console right now, If this would happened early Sony could have lost a lot of money, losing possible game sales on people that probably never had the intention of buying a PS3 because it was not pirate ready is not significant in my opinion, pirates never intended to pay
Pardon? I have no interest in either pirating OR homebrew. I just want to load the games that I bought onto the console to improve load times, avoid disc damage from handling, and keep all my games available at all times. What's the point of a 250GB drive it all I have on it are dinky PSN games?
I don't know what kind of crack I was on, but I suspect it was decaf.
You don't know what you are talking about. I successfully wrote and compiled PS3 software, then ran it on my retail console thanks to PSGroove.
God, root, what is difference ?
Sorry. Sony already ruined their own expensive console by removing marketed features after the fact.
Searching Google News returns about 7,700 hits for "PS3."
The "OtherOS" was never more than a very small part of the PS3 story - and it is the Move controller that is making headlines now.
"These hacks are fully detectable by PS3 and Sony." Only if the system is online....which most people already know and thanks to the ability to download the ps3 updates to a usb means you never have to connect your console to the Sony servers. "this is just used for pirating purposes" Welcome to the game of consumer desire and business ethics. You can buy something now and it is not legally your property. You are not allowed any freedoms with something you paid your money for. If this jailbreak allowed people to get a whole console for free then I would have some sympathy.....but as the Xbox community has already shown that the console...is only a computer. And a computer has the potential to do alot....even if it isn't in the original design. Hell, if it wasn't for hackers you wouldn't have the computer you sit in front of. Sony will not listen, the industry will not listen.....hackers ALWAYS listen...and they deliver hand over fist. Be mad all you want, the future of games are in the hands of the intelligent...and they numbers favor the hacking team. "Sony has lost the PS3 hacking war?" Yes...the fact Psgroove exist and works is absolute proof that the ps3 is hackable, and that Sony has gone to great lengths to prevent something that a bunch of "criminals" ,who are no better than pedophiles in some peoples eyes ,were able to accomplish. Now comes the flood of "homebrew" apps that will add value to a system and unlocks the potential for something greater. "What a great way to ruin your expensive console" you mean what a great way to keep revenue out of the pockets of billionaires who don't care for the consumer, only the stock margin and their own personal well being......
Without taking a stance on the whole piracy issue, this does work with a HTC Dream on a 120gb ps3 slim. Only problem is that it breaks wifi and sd storage (on the phone) until you reflash.
Who cares, I've gone OpenCL and a GPU, the Cell/CBE is dead.
Great can I have Linux on my PS3 now?
Now that Sony has lost maybe they can give me back the features I PAID FOR.
Thanks.
I'm a full time linux user and I also own a ps3 for two years now. However, I never tried to install linux on it because it does it's job well for what I can't do on my linux system - play games. I wouldn't be surprised if most slashdotters that posted so far don't even use linux on their desktop let alone own a ps3. So what's up with the hate?
> The "OtherOS" was never more than a very small part of the PS3 story - and it is the Move controller that is making headlines now.
Which has what to do with his point?
That Anonymous Coward guy is pretty annoying. Can we have the government censor him or something?
Exactly. I've been following this mod for exactly one reason: enabling PS2 games on PS3 versions which don't support that. Although having OtherOS to play with would be kind of neat (I have a slim, so I never had either feature.)
I don't pirate. I occasionally boycott a publisher, and then I simply do without their games (I'm looking at you, Ubisoft.) But I'd love to be able to disconnect my PS2 from my TV.
There have been some murmurs that this will be possible soon. The only question will be whether the cat-and-mouse game Sony will be playing with pirates will be too annoying.
Sony, bring back OtherOS and PS2 emulation, and I'll have no interest in this mod!
If I can pick up a PS3 for $299CDN and use is as a HTPC, screw games. If after it's hacked I can play one out of 1000 games then I'm cool with that. The slim ones look cool enough have ethernet, HDMI and other jacks and most HTPC's will set you back $400+ from scratch (especially if you want a decent looking case). So if they get access to the GPU then I'll get one and the PSN will never get a ping from me.
A loop, by its nature, continues. If that didn't make sense, start reading this sentence again.
Which has what to do with his point?
Something that so few care about hardly "ruins" a console.
I just want them to release the firmware that enables 3D Blu-Ray damnit (they said the firmware was going to be released in Sep and now they say Oct). Anything else is moot. If they don't get off their ass and release it I'm going to have to go buy a Sony 3D Blu-Ray player...
Let's at least be a little bit honest. Maybe the ability to install Linux on a PS3 was a big deal around here, but for the vast majority of people buying one it's not even on their radar. There's a least a sizable number of these people who have either never heard of Linux or have no real understanding of what it actually is.
I don't expect that Sony will lose many sales over this. Considering that they may still be selling it at a loss and hoping to make up for it in game sales may actually net them more money as there were at least a few people who were using them to make clusters.
The hack, not so much, but if your'e playing "Backup manager" Sony knows what's up :)
Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
"It makes you smile that you can use one homebrew console to hack another to get homebrew on that console."
Yo dawg! I heard you like hacking homebrew, so we we put hack in your homebrew so you can hack homebrew while you hack!
Don't be a troll. Homebrew is a real fair use case and is what move the reversing scene. None of this would happen with OtherOS still there.
IF your machine doesnt have PS2 compatibility already, no amount of software is going to bring it back. PS2 emulation on PS3 has ALWAYS depended on at least part of the PS2 hardware being physically present.
Good-bye
Well that's damned disappointing.
You mean it adds back functionality that they used to include with the PS3. Don't forget that they have removed functionality from recent firmware editions as a response to the threat to their exclusivity. And the latest report is that the next firmware update is going to disable the USB ports. Sony has learned very little from getting clobbered over that rootkit they installed on computers as DRM.
Now that there is no unhacked console left, maybe the consolization of PC games will slow down a bit. And maybe Sony will finally release the PS4, so that PC graphics can finally move ahead. It has been 3 years since Crysis. PC games have been stalled in terms of graphics because the better the graphics are on the PC version the more difficult it is to port to the old tech on the consoles.
Quite an experience to live in fear, isn't it? That's what it is to be a slave.
Which has what to do with his point?
Something that so few care about hardly "ruins" a console.
So few care about? Your on slashdot, so most people here care about it. Remember your audience, if my watch doesn't run linux it's not cool enough for slashdot.
The PS3 is not fast enough to emulate a PS2 without hardware assistance. Sorry.
I think you entirely miss the point.
If the GP is using OpenCL, they're not using it for gaming, they're using it for scientific computing (or some similar FP-heavy, parallelizable workload.)
Cell is now fairly old technology, so a GPU catching up with and surpassing Cell doesn't surprise me one bit.
The Move? Seriously? It's a gimped knock-off of the Wii. haven't those PS3 fanboys spent the last few years yelling about what a useless gimmick motion control is?
"He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing." --Paul Atreides, Dune
What's the point of a 250GB drive it all I have on it are dinky PSN games?
How many games using Blu-Ray media can you load on a 250 GB drive?
The simplest and most effective form of DRM is the file you can't afford to store or copy or download.
10-50gb per game, you do the rest of the math. HD loaders on the Wii have been a godsend to me, with a 2 year old (a couple years ago). It didn't take her long to find that the eject button gave her a nice toy to throw around the house.
Nice way to turn this around.
The hackers didn't make Sony ban them from PSN, Sony pulled the trigger themselves. Regardless of weather they are legally within their rights to do so, it still was Sony's choice.
But console gamers keep telling me consoles are cheap (despite console games costing A$20 more then PC games.)
Further more, it's not. I used to have a modded Xbox 1, I used it to run XBMC and used it as a cheap media centre. I didn't play games on it, not even pirated ones. A lot of people are looking for cheap hardware to run a simple function on (like playing video's from a hard drive). Unfortunately nothing like my old Xbox 1 exists anymore thanks to overzealous content controls so I ended up building a media centre PC out of parts of old PC's.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
"you're."
Sure, it's basically copying the Wii idea...but "gimped out?" It's more actually more accurate and works better. Since "gimped out" means "crappier...doesn't work as well...." I'd say your statement is incorrect.
Seriously did you think Sony was holding back on something that would move a lot of units simply by flicking the "on" switch?
Good job, Slashdot: modding the OP as troll. Do note the OP happens to be one of the biggest contributors to the Wii homebrew scene and one of the developers for the Homebrew Channel and BootMii, among many other things. Offtopic? Perhaps, slightly. Troll? Jesus fucking Christ, Slashdot.
I have a 40GB PS-Fat. The blu-ray laser has died on me already. I've replaced it since, but that was a $60 item and time. Near the end of the cycle of these consoles, I can see a perfectly good use for this jailbreak. If my laser dies again (which apparently it's certain to do!) then if I have all my games backed up to the drive, I can still play them! (True I won't be able to buy any more, but that's ok, my gaming has slowed down in my old age any how)
I'm seriously looking into this HD upgrade then jailbreak then backing up the games to a HD deal. It would give me great peace of mind and work around a defect that sony won't own up to. Plus things would load faster! That's just win-win-win as far as I can see.
AirSpeak - http://itunes.com/apps/AirSpeak
i don't side with sony with this war. before i did. ps3 had linux so you would run all your homebrew and emulators on there. so the hacking for homebrew was never a issue. and homebrew hackers left the system alone. 1 hacker finds a way to expolite threw linux sony pulls linux. they opened the flood gates all on there own. and unfortunately braking open the securty to reenable homebrew also means the pirates get there way to. so sorry sony you only did this to yourself..
I do think the OtherOS issue is important but overblown. Like a lot of other things that really matter, not enough people care.
On the other hand, removing PS2 compatibility from the hardware is a big deal. That's taking about $100 USD away from the value of the console in my (narrow) opinion.
What's the point of a 250GB drive it all I have on it are dinky PSN games?
Bragging rights over 360 console owners.
Actually, the Move controller could be a very interesting replacement for a mouse, when using a GUI on a large screen TV. It alleviates the need of a surface to navigate on, and possibly has the required precision to accurately aim the pointer.
If somebody manages to get Linux working again on the PS3 via the hack, I'll be trying to get the Move controller working with it. It'd be an interesting project.
haven't those PS3 fanboys spent the last few years yelling about what a useless gimmick motion control is?
Reminds me of some other fanyboys who used to taut how much better PowerPC chips were than Intel chips. Until their team switched chips of course...
"But this one goes to 11!"
When will twits like you realize that they removed and advertised feature!? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills! If Ford decided to remove an advertised heated steering wheel remotely, would you be okay with that even if it only affected drivers in cold climates? How about if Microsoft could remotely disable DVD drives because they could be used to pirate Windows? Where does it end?
"Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right" - Salvor Hardin
Wonder how long this will take to get bundled into otherwise innocuous looking iphone apps, and inserted into the app store :D
I run: Windows, OS X, Linux, FreeBSD. Just because you have a hammer, doesn't mean everything is a nail.
On the other hand, removing PS2 compatibility from the hardware is a big deal. That's taking about $100 USD away from the value of the console in my (narrow) opinion.
Full compatibility with the PS2 would add about $100 to the retail price.
The PS2 "Slim" with Ethernet and Dial-Up Modem is $100 at Amazon.com. Amusingly enough, it was the PS2 "Slim" which axed PS2 Linux. Something which seems to have been forgotten hereabouts.
So? This is a little pond filled with tiny fish. You can piss off everyone who visits this site and the world will little note nor long remember.
Well, IF the PS3 is unlocked fully and the homebrew scene develops properly, and IF the performance is as good as it should be, and IF some clever people get on it, it may be possible to port he pcsx2 emulator to the PS3.
It would take quite a bit of work, AFAICT, because the current emulator is heavily tied to x86/x86_64 and x86 extensions, but with a bit of work it could be possible.
Really?
That's a shame, as I'm sure more than a few folks would be interested in trying to get pcsx2 running on there.
"And the latest report is that the next firmware update is going to disable the USB ports"
BULLSHIT.
Sorry, but I have to call this one out for what it is.
The USB ports are how the controllers are used during certain updates or if they're out of power. The USB ports also are how you plug in things like the Playstation Eye, a peripheral that Sony themselves sell and are relying on for their "Move" push.
They will not now, nor ever, disable the USB ports, this is some sort of forum echo-chamber nonsense or an outright troll that's somehow gained credence.
Especially when an update to their USB driver will destroy this jailbreak just as well.
Just noticed that 3.42 has been released. Nothing posted on the official PS3 website...I wonder what it's going to do? Keep an eye out here. Figures...I did one update since I'll be able to use Linux now and Sony has to come and spoil my fun.
Not everybody's idea of an enjoyable gaming experience involves trading insults with hormonal 15 year-olds, nor does $300 meet everyone's definition of "expensive." Jailbreaking is appropriate for anyone who either doesn't care about online features, can afford two consoles, or both. I suspect that's a not-insignificant portion of current and potential owners.
Online features include firmware upgrades for new Blu-Ray releases.
Upgrades to 1080p 3D video for Blu-Ray movies and game play, the Move controller, DLC and services like Facebook, Netflix, PSOne Classics, PlayStation Home, and so on.
There is something for everyone in the family here.
"Red Dead Redemption" in 3D?
The best adult western since "Deadwood?"
"Bioshock Infinity?"
For games like these, you want the home theater experience in all its glory - and it isn't going to happen without that firmware upgrade.
If you can afford two consoles, you can afford an unconstrained Linux-based media PC. I'm sorry, but the cold hard truth is that the OtherOS doesn't have all that much value.
Those aren't designed for the purpose of piracy and have plenty of legitimate uses.
You know what is worse than a scumbag defense attorney? Someone who acts like one in casual conversation. We all know why this device exists, cut the bullshit already.
HD loaders on the Wii have been a godsend to me, with a 2 year old (a couple years ago). It didn't take her long to find that the eject button gave her a nice toy to throw around the house.
Reminds me of when my nephew discovered the peanut butter sandwich - and gave a whole new meaning to the phrase "slot-loading."
That's why they removed it. It had already been used to compromise the security.
I got voted down for pointing this out before, I guess some realities are just too harsh here? Or perhaps SONY BAD is the only acceptable opinion?
While there is piracy on the consoles it isn't like the pc where most of the people playing the games aren't paying for them.
That isn't an exaggeration, numerous indy developers have reported piracy rates of over 80%. Just be glad there are enough sales on the pc to still justify console ports.
First of all, this is just used for pirating purposes. In fact that's the only thing the hack allows, so drop the homebrew bullshit.
Secondly, Sony has lost the PS3 hacking war? These hacks are fully detectable by PS3 and Sony. Those who have used them have already been banned from PSN and multiplayer games. What a great way to ruin your expensive console.
I feel it's really cold in your little dark world...
What the technology is designed for is irrelevant in the face of what it does and what it's used for. And there are substantial legitimate reasons to jailbreak your PS3 that aren't piracy, including game backups and homebrew. To say that it is somehow wrong for someone to crack their PS3 purely because they might use it to pirate is silly.
That Anonymous Coward guy is pretty annoying. Can we have the government censor him or something?
Something that so few care about hardly "ruins" a console.
It ruins it for them, no?
Oh, I see. If it doesn't affect you, than it's not important. If it doesn't affect 'majority', that it's not important either.
Hope Vogons come soon, because it's hard to imagine the future of this planet when it's populated with retards like yourself...
If Ford disabled the heated steering wheel function, but the heated seats, heat, AC, power windows, headlights, signals, engine and transmission and everything else in the car still worked... it wouldn't be the end-of-my-world-panties-in-a-bunch thing that some PS3 owners are making it out to be.
PS3 firmware update was just rolled out this is effectively dead. My prediction is it will be another 10 years before the PS3 is hacked again.
"Don't Panic!"
yeah yeah, we all know who marcan is. just read his post history on /., the man is fucking brilliant. but that does not make him immune to down-moderation. i think it was deserved.
he's extremely vocal about his anti-piracy ideology and that makes him quite annoying sometimes. he has to post in every thread about how many wii consoles waninkoko's code has bricked, and his claims become more outlandish and disconnected from reality every time he mentions it (we're up to 100% now :)
sure, waninkoko may not be quite as talented as others, but he's providing something that MANY people want. and his tools do work. count how many people, even just in this thread, have praised the wii usb backup loader. whether you pirate wii games or not, the usb loader is a killer app for wii hacking. discs are obsolete.
marcan deserves huge amounts of praise for his work in hacking the wii, but his ideology prevents him from taking it to the next level. that's fine, homebrew is a great great thing to have. but waninkoko put the puzzle pieces together and created another tool that makes the wii even better. sure, the pieces were already laid out for him and didn't take that much skill to put together, but at least he fucking DID it and RELEASED it. and for that I thank him.
> The Other OS option was used to hack it. That's why they removed it. It had already been used to compromise the security.
And that justifies remotely removing a function of the device after the sale? Telling somebody that they cannot hack a device they've bought is outrageous.
That Anonymous Coward guy is pretty annoying. Can we have the government censor him or something?
First they came for my heated steering wheel, but I did not speak out, because I had heated seats, heat, AC, power windows, headlights, signals, engine and transmission...
That Anonymous Coward guy is pretty annoying. Can we have the government censor him or something?
Yeah, backups. That term still fools people, right?
I agree with the OP. Drop the shenanigans and at least be an adult. Admit this is for piracy, with occasional, almost accidental legitimate usage. There's no points to be won here with your childish insistence of the existence of that dreamworld where this is targeted for "homebrew."
And let's also be adults about that, because 99% of homebrew is emulating other consoles to play pirated ROMs. I mean, really. Who are you pretending for?
Apparently the latest firmware update fixes the USB exploit.
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> I'm sorry, but the cold hard truth is that the OtherOS doesn't have all that much value.
To you.
That Anonymous Coward guy is pretty annoying. Can we have the government censor him or something?
http://exophase.com/ps3/ps3-firmware-3-42-hits-network-update-18063.htm:
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Yeah, that's a lot of "if"s. And it's notoriously hard to get good performance out of the Cell, due to its multiprocessor nature. I'm not sure whether it's even theoretically possible to match the performance of the PS2 without having to coax multiple processors to cooperate. I haven't specifically heard of something like this being done, but if it were (generally) possible, you would expect it to have happened on the x86 or amd64 architectures. It would be a boon to virtualization. On the other hand, it could be that it's practically impossible without some sort of hardware support--though I wouldn't necessarily expect the Cell to have such support.
I'm inclined to think that my best best is to just see what kind of performance I can eek out of my Mac mini with pcsx2 (connected to the TV.) Unfortunately, my suspicion is that the graphics won't be up to par. Just have to sit down one day and see.
Did you intentionally ignore the content of my post, or simply forget to read it?
>I agree with the OP. Drop the shenanigans and at least be an adult. Admit this is for piracy, with occasional, almost accidental legitimate usage.
I said that it doesn't matter why it was created; what matters is what's done with it. People have the right to back up their games, whether you like it or not.
Oh, and who cares if it enables piracy? Piracy is the scapegoat for entertainment corporations, one of the boogeymen of the Internet. It doesn't cause substantial harm to anyone. Cracking down on it is unfair persecution of millions of otherwise innocent people. Too often it leads to persecution of non-pirates, those who are completely innocent. As we've seen with the OtherOS fuck-up.
That Anonymous Coward guy is pretty annoying. Can we have the government censor him or something?
"The "OtherOS" was never more than a very small part of the PS3 story"
Don't worry, I think my class-action against Sony will be going ahead soon if my lawyers deem it fit. Then it'll make the news like Spore's DRM did.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
I care about the FALSE ADVERTISING. Taking somethign away after the fact is bait-and-switch. I paid for OtherOS, even if I don't use it, don't take it away from me, it's MINE, I paid for it.
I have a problem with a company so blatantly breaking the law.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
Quit griping about your submission pending for a week. Sometimes it takes MONTHS for shit to get posted/rejected around here, when the editors finally get around to actually doing work.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
LAWL.
Give me another two weeks of goofing off with the internals and I'll have thirty more ideas out for enterprising hackers to test out.
Reddit has some nice programmers, if you know where to find them. :) And they LOVE ideas.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
"without hardware assistance."
Gee, I wonder what that fucking silicon all over the motherboard is called? Software?
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
Given what Sony did by removing the "other OS" feature after it was used for a hack, I think I can safely say that there is no way you cannot trust Sony not to retrospectively kill other features later. I don't hack my PS/3, but the "other OS" feature was a reason for me to buy it, so the "upgrade" isn't (and has thus not happened) because I refuse to pay the price for something I didn't do, and lose a feature I PAID FOR and which is on the product description.
Imagine what happens if someone finds a way to hack the box via a movie feature - given their approach to "other OS" it is not totally bizarre to expect them to nuke the "play video" feature in a next release, so thanks Sony, but there is not going to be another penny spent on anything PS/3, or anything else that is remote changeable. Quite simply, the PS/3 as a product is dead to me, and research for any new kit (whatever type) will certainly not begin with Sony.
If a company cannot take into account a certain amount of customisation when it gets a device out in public it suggests it is totally hopeless at both market analysis and crisis management. To me, that spells "incompetence".
No thanks.
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I'm right there with you, man. I never had Other OS, but I'm livid that a company would take away an advertised feature through a firmware update.
Eh, not so much that they were better as that it wasn't fair to compare the hz of the two chips due to architectural differences. Hell, it's not fare to compare the hz of AMD vs Intel, or of different families in the Intel line.
What was happening back then was that PPC chips were performing well enough, but at very low mhz compared to PC. PC users and manufacturers used the mhz difference to claim that their machines ran faster than Apples. It was actually fairly difficult to compare, since the software (OS) was so different, but frankly, Apple held its own in a lot of areas.
The move to Intel was, I suspect, a perfect storm of cost, IBM's unwillingness to provide power-efficient processors, and relative ease of programming. That Apple claimed to be "twice as fast" (or whatever) during the switch was very, very unfortunate. Grasping onto the Mhz myth came all too easily to them. That doesn't negate the fact that the Mhz myth was, in fact, an issue.
I had one of the last G4 iBooks before the line was discontinued and the Macbooks were introduced. There really wasn't a great speed difference between the last G4 iBook and the first Macbook, even though Apple (and fanboys) claimed that there was. It's still a neat little machine, though the LCD is cracked. It runs terminals and firefix just fine--as well as most low-end notebooks these days do.
Meh, I just got a Zotac MAG. Slim mini ITX, piano black, vertical or horizontal mount. Dual core Atoms, Nvidia ION, optical audio and HDMI audio/video. Does just fine. $250.
Yeah, I wouldn't count on much!
I had an Athlon64 3200+ with an ATI X800 Pro in it last time I tried. One or two things worked acceptably, R-Type Final springs to mind, but most things either failed totally or ran at an abysmal speed. I don't know what's in your Mac Mini, but macs haven't historically been that hot on graphics have they?
You can play PS2 games on PS2. Is your apartment really that cramped there's no extra room for slim PS2? What's your excuse to "love to be able to disconnect my PS2 from my TV"?
Macs haven't been known for having particularly good graphics. The latest Mini has a decent card (I think it's onboard Nvidia on the order of a 9400 mobile.) Nothing to sneeze at, but probably not suitable for emulating PS2 graphics.
But hell, I can't keep up with model numbers anymore. There was a time when you could make a reasonable guess as to performance by the model. Now they go to great lengths to make it hard to figure out. A confused consumer is a vulnerable consumer, I guess.
Hope Vogons come soon, because it's hard to imagine the future of this planet when it's populated with retards like yourself...
As opposed to the people running around calling everyone else retards.
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The problem with model numbers is that they go around!
That system was from 2005 IIRC, pretty cutting edge for the time but not so much now. Your Mac Mini is probably a bit more powerful than that, it's worth a try anyway!
If I were Sony, I'd put off fixing this exploit for a while and watch PS3 sales go up. Only when sales slow down will I release the fix. I've read that the PS3 logs the ID's of every bit of software it runs, even offline. So if you've used the backup manager, chances are Sony can detect it when you go online. People are working on hacks to change the ID though.
Really? That's... sick. I'm sorry, but that just seems really ridiculous. I heard that the the PS3's software emulation was bad, but at least it sounded like it had *some* games working purely on software emulation. The damn thing certainly has the processing power to do so!
If Microsoft can make the Xbox 360 run so many classic Xbox games after changing damn near every part of the system (Intel x86 to IBM PPC, nVidia to ATI graphics, RAM that's 3.5 times as fast...) then Sony sure as hell *ought* to be able to make software emulation work. The Cell processor is well-suited for this, too; like the Xbox 360 processor it has far more hardware threads, running at far higher speeds, than the older CPU. It should be possible to do dynamic recompilation on the other cores and get a near-perfect PS2 emulator running at (PS2) native speed.
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But I am guessing Sony has turned off the USB ports during boot along with some other security updates so they will need to come up with a new exploit and it has taken 5 years so far. I am sure someone can find something sooner than later but it won't be soon. I just wonder if people will get their consoles banned if Sony detects they are using the hack on a PS3.
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To be fair, it should be noted that the unhacked PS3 provides a pretty decent media centre - easily extendible (by way of UPnP media servers) to play pretty much anything too.
What's the point of a 250GB drive it all I have on it are dinky PSN games?
Bragging rights over 360 console owners.
I got a 250GB on my 360 chock full of full and arcade games. Does that get me the bragging rights.
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I understood that the OtherOS was simply to avoid tax when importing into Europe? What I want is for Sony to pay their taxes! I wonder how much money they avoided paying? I would have thought that the tax man would be chasing Sony now.
I personally think that you should be able to save your games to HD to avoid using the bluray all the time. Of course this would still need the disk to check you have it, but would then run off HD. It sucks that if the bluray dies, your're stuck with the downloaded games (which are limited).
Online is much more fun than playing a game on your own so if you're into gaming I would say you'd need two consoles... One to hack and keep offline and another for general use and keeping legit.
So you are going to leave your PS3 on for 5+hrs a day?
I wouln't if I were you as they get too hot and are not designed for sustained use... Also when it dies you won't be easily able to repair unless it's just the HD. I know you can get a cooler to try and keep things working, but I don't know how much these help keep the temp within tolerable limits.
I built my own HTPC and it's twice the size of the PS3, and 1 1/2 time the graphics processing power. It doesn't get anywhere near as hot on the exhaust vents as there is more space and air flow. It also has better mesh to stop fluff and dust being sucked up internally and can be fully cleaned in seconds.
A friend of mine asked about installing Windows XP onto his PS3 and I had to tell him to stop being a idiot and just keep it as a gaming / media system and stick to a PC for Windows.
I personally think that you should be able to save your games to HD to avoid using the bluray all the time. Of course this would still need the disk to check you have it, but would then run off HD. It sucks that if the bluray dies, your're stuck with the downloaded games (which are limited).
Surely if the Bluray dies it won't be able to check you have the disc...
One of the best features on the 360 is the ability to install games to the hard drive in order to increase load times and reduce the noise from that ridiculously noisy DVD drive (in fact I have one of the new "slim" versions, and can honestly say when playing a game from the HDD it's whisper quiet, whereas my old original 360 sounded like a 747 during take off), so I can second the usefulness of this. In fact the only thing that ruins that experience is that I still need to have the disk physically in the drive to play the game, and since I have a console in the bedroom and one in the living room it's still annoying swapping disks around and would be great if I could run the game on either console without the disk.
I have a 360. I have a 250GB hard drive. In fact, I have two (the Modern Warfare special edition "super elite" and the new slim) and they both have 250GB hard drives.
> If they don't get off their ass and release it I'm going to have to go buy a Sony 3D Blu-Ray player...
Punish them by giving them money! Also, please punish me. I can send you my banking information.
250 GB won't last very long. Especially the PS3 exclusive titles fill out those BDs pretty good.
Uncharted 2 was around 39 GB as was God of War III. Heavy Rain used up about 28 GB.
I would love to install at least the game I am currently playing to the HD to decrease load times but I can understand why they left the feature out.
Your average XBox 360 game is roughly 7 GB. I guess Sony just puts a lot of uncompressed textures and sound files on their discs.
There's a difference between pointing out when someone is being self centred, and actually being self centred. One day you might learn to recognise that, and that day will be when you stop being self centred.
No doubt, it won't be here any day soon.
What's the point of a 250GB drive it all I have on it are dinky PSN games?
Bragging rights over 360 console owners.
My XBox 360 came with a 250GB HDD, and I can install my games to the HDD for improved load times without hacking my console.
Same boat here.
Had more then a few orginal xboxs hacked for XBMC, now think about that, more then a few. Would i have bought more then one ever for more then playing games? i don't think so, but the fact that i could have all my content centralised on hand with a remote to boot was fantastic and i am sure that i influenced a few mates with my streaming of music, movies and pics to my xbox so in the end some people who wouldn't have ever bought one, did. I guess this dosn't make much of a difference if the console never makes the company any money.
Nope, the PS3s with software emulation still had the PS2 video hardware present. The 40GB PS3 dropped even that, as did any subsequent models (newer 80GB model, all Slim models).
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I think someone's exploited your sarcasm filter. Best get Sony to remove it completely for you.
I've seen no indications at all that it actually works better. In fact, it seems that the press at large is pretty disappointed in it because of a lack of accuracy in the launch titles. Sony really should have come out of the gates with working software to demonstrate how "superior" their hardware is, especially since Nintendo has already worked out all the little gameplay and interface problems for them. There's no excuse not to be on par this late in the game.
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Don't put it past them. They'll probably disable the Blu-ray drive at some point too.
First they came for backwards compatibility,
and I did not speak up, because I did not play PS2.
Then they came for OtherOS,
and I did not speak up, because I did not play linux.
Then they came for the USB ports,
and I did not speak up, because my controllers were not unpaired.
Then they came for my Blu-ray drive,
and now I just watch Netflix.
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So you are saying the PS3 design is just plain garbage, I guess I can see that. Other than to boot the OS all the media will be on a server. A single BluRay title is still only about 3hrs max. Maybe if I get a couple years out of it I can gut it and throw in a mini-ITX board with an ION and a couple Atoms in it. Either way $299 ain't that bad. Maybe there is some cool stuff I can poke around and learn about with these fancy processors. Maybe it will be fun to compile rainbow tables with it, maybe not...
... Well I wouldn't do that to many machines let alone one I own.
Either way just hacking it for the sake of hacking it is not only ok it's also fun. As far as getting kicked off of Sony's servers well you see I didn't pay for those so I don't really care. As far as installing windows
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