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Former Military Personnel Claim Aliens Are Monitoring Our Nukes
An anonymous reader quotes Reuters "Witness testimony from more than 120 former or retired military personnel points to an ongoing and alarming intervention by unidentified aerial objects at nuclear weapons sites, as recently as 2003. In some cases, several nuclear missiles simultaneously and inexplicably malfunctioned while a disc-shaped object silently hovered nearby. Six former US Air Force officers and one former enlisted man will break their silence about these events at the National Press Club and urge the government to publicly confirm their reality." I won't worry until Gort shows up.
If we nuke everything, it's gonna be difficult for them to plunder our natural resources and turn us into sex slaves.
... really. Come ON.
This is a press release written by some guys hawking their book, it was not written by a journalist.
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Clearly the aliens caught a broadcast of Independence Day and thought it was a war game simulation showing our defense strategy. Either that, or they saw Aliens and are worried that, if we ever do find aliens on another planet, we will just nuke them from orbit. Since, of course, it's the only way to be sure.
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
welcome our Silently Hovering Overlords.
Well, one thing I noticed on the reuters article is that many of the witnesses are nuclear missile , as in, they worked closely on or near the nuclear weapons. Isn't there a chance that, considering almost all were in close contact with nuclear weapons, the radiation was screwing with their head? Or, possibly, whatever they use on nuclear missile bases were?
I'm not discounting the fact that maybe aliens are indeed screwing with nuclear weapons for whatever reason, but it just seems more likely that all these people have something in common, and that commonality is causing them to believe what they saw..
I for one.... crap.
Get the foil out guys, it's gonna be a long night.
If (and it's a big if, I don't believe them) these people are telling the truth about something interfering with nuclear weapons from a nearby aircraft, why think aliens? Why not $STATE_ENEMY_OF_CHOICE?
Captain Salas notes, "The U.S. Air Force is lying about the national security implications of unidentified aerial objects at nuclear bases and we can prove it."
This isn't news until they present their supposed "proof".
I get that we want to think that military officers are supposed to be more reliable than your average Joe Schmuckatellii, but come on.
I don't care who you are, if you can't show proof, I'm not gonna believe you. I mean, I don't believe what the pope says, and he has billions of people who think he's reliable.
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Seriously? This is ridiculous. While I'm sure aliens exist somewhere light years away. 2 things come to mind. 1 Why the hell do we feel so important that other species would want to come and bother us and 2 its probably some terrestrial experiment, probably designed to destroy nukes.
Where has reason in the world gone? Have we abandoned it in favor of power and politics?
Now THIS is the right article for trying the robotic overlord RSS reader for the first time.
With reasonable men I will reason; with humane men I will plead; but to tyrants I will give no quarter. -- William Lloyd
Fascinating how the aliens only seem to infest US Chair Force nuclear weapons sites and personnel... But not Navy or Army sites and personnel.
http://www.ufohqs.com/?page_id=108
Not saying I believe the premise of this submission, as it seems pretty far fetched, but...
Say I want to verify that some anti-nuke weapon system can disable nuclear weapons. Say I've tested it to every extent possible, and now I want to verify its effectiveness against real weapon systems. Do you test it against the enemy and risk an actual nuclear war? Nope, you test it on your own weapons. The US has plenty, so one or two missiles at a time being disabled isn't going to be much of a tactical disadvantage, and it could be well planned in advance such that a real nuclear launch is impossible (by placing "real deal" missiles into silos, while subtracting the fissile material) in the case of malfunction as a result of your anti-nuke weapon system.
Unlikely, sure. But much more likely than the combination of aliens having made contact with Earth, the government having kept it from us, and the aliens having an interest in our nuclear weapon systems, as presumably species which can travel such distances would already have the tech to wipe us away and then some.
Me thinks someone may not have had enough water but too much whiskey.
roll your eyes and mock all you want, but don't forget that a lot of these guys had Top Secret SCI clearances they don't exactly hand out to every random Jethro.
There was a Disclosure Project event at the National Press Club in early 2001 that had well over a hundred witnesses that were pilots, former military officers, etc... that were willing to break their oaths and testify in front of congress if called about these events.
Some people think 9/11 was a reaction/distraction. I'm NOT going that far, but it still makes me wonder.
I had a sucky sig.
basically an expert at being unable to identify something
I suppose Slashdot has its xenophiles.
That picture of Gort made me laugh.
Can you direct me to your nearest nulear wessel?
w-e-s-s-e-l nuclear wessel.
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This is a PRESS RELEASE at this point. It's not a news article. I don't know Reuter's policy in picking up press releases, but based on the content of this release, I'm guessing they will publish whatever they get. The press release is short on details, but claims that there will be experts, and declassified documents that back up their assertions. And a dead body in a storage freezer, as well, for those of you who like hairy plastic suits draped over carcasses. Enjoy!
Since when did Reuters report on National Inquirer stories? The source is a UFO nut. The story itself is pretty implausible. Why would aliens travel many light years just to malfunction a few nuclear missiles from time to time? Nothing about it makes sense. If they are advanced enough to build an interstellar spacecraft they are probably also advanced enough to shut down or even disappear every nuclear weapon on the planet.
Quite an experience to live in fear, isn't it? That's what it is to be a slave.
Maybe we should send them lots and lots of books with logic quizzes or tell them to read encyclopedia articles or something - sounds to me they are bored out of their skulls.
It's a TLA UAV if it's anything.
The aliens prefer severely-chaffed orifices. Something about the blood and chunks of tissue rubbing against their bladed tentacles really does it.
I'm more concerned that a number greater than 0 of nuclear missiles can simultaneously and inexplicably malfunction more than I am of an extra-terrestrial probing me. We have weapons that can obliterate an entire city ... and they can mysteriously malfunction? You'd think they'd work out the bugs BEFORE creating enough arsenal to destroy the entire habitability of our planet. I'm not a perfect coder, but I can say with all honesty that my code isn't putting billions of lives at risk.
mars needs women
Aliens from outer space are sleeping in my car!
These are not UFOs! These are UAOs! They are TOTALLY different!
(tongue firmly planted in cheek)
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2. Recover reactor fuel.
3. Sell reactor fuel on Slashdot.
4. Profit !
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People really want there to be space aliens but the fact is space travel is impossible. ...
The nearest closest planet that may MAY be able to support life is 45 thousand light years away.
That means if the human body which can not last more then 5 years in space because of bone loss was to make this trip you would have to do it at somewhere around 9,000 times the speed of light...
Now this is only to the very closest MAYBE planet but if you want to travel to planets farther away you are talking 2x 5x 10x the speed
Now we all love startrek but warp 9,000 or 10,000 for 5 years or 10 year or warp 5MILLION what does it matter because there is not enough PROPELLENT in the earths ocean if we used all the H and O in the Water of all the oceans...
SPACE TRAVEL IS IMPOSSIBLE AND DONT START THE WORMHOLE BS OR DIMENSIONAL TRAVEL
GIVE IT UP! Mars is as good as we will ever get and that is just about impossible...
Will they start straightening the Tower of Pisa?
they're all_former_military?-)
I, for one, welcome our new (alien) robot overlords.
Sometimes the light at the end of the tunnel is the headlight of an oncoming train.
... is that a few ex-soldiers are unhappy with their pensions and figure to supplement them with kickbacks from a whackjob book author? I think the mercenary life would have been a better supplement....
I won't worry until Gork and Mork show up
> I won't worry until Gort shows up.
Will that be old Gort or new Gort?
Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
Why would there be Unidentified flying objects near nuclear missile sites? Its not like any country would send out UADs to see where America keeps its missiles would it? Nobody on earth cares about the location of missiles which can end all life on earth...
Considering the USAF's recent record, it's a relief to know someone is watching our nukes.
Never shake hands with a man you meet in a fertility clinic.
"The weapons malfunctioned": How? they tried to launch them toward a target and they veered off course and detonated nearby causing a horrible but remarkably suppressed nuclear accident?
"A disc-shaped object silently hovered nearby": Wow, eerie. Oh, wait, that was just a mylar balloon on a string. I think it read "Happy Birthday"
That was the turning point of my life--I went from negative zero to positive zero.
The IAEA has become increasingly technologically sophisticated.
Reuters is a pretty reliable site - so right now i'm kinda wishing it were April 1st!
Its kinda (really) scary because that means whatever is in those disks is probably Russians, Koreans, the Japanese, or India - or aliens. Maybe aside from one or two other countries, those are the ones listed with the tech to have surpassed us.
Or, we could have developed something that just happens to look like things that have been reported to be flying around since the 50's.
That's when I really start worrying.
As for all the other natural disasters, maybe they like - or need - global warming. You know, to feel more comfy.
Although Tschernobyl seems to indicate a low-level nuclear exchange could greatly benefit nature and wildlife - clearing away most of the predatory humans. Sort of like what BP tried on the southern U.S. But without harming wildlife as much. Plus, the "nuclear fall" would help cool the planet and rebuild the ice-caps, shelfs, glaciers, top off the old mountain ranges... etc.
Rumors that the financial and political "elites" have sold humanity out to them, and theyra coming with the cattle-cars are - of course - mere fabrication. :)
The fundamental problem I have with these claims is that:
a) There's no physical evidence. You would expect these sorts of tall tales surrounding such a large scale secret operation. So merely having a lot of people, even experienced observers, detail unknown activity don't tell you whether the "UFOs" are truly unidentified or not. My view is that the intelligence services would actually encourage these sorts of tales precisely because they generate a lot of disinformation for free.
b) If they're aliens, beings from the future, etc then why are they playing their hand? Why tell us, "We can screw with your nuclear weapons"? That'd be something like the US deliberately and frivolously overflying some country for decades. All it does is give the other guys a variety of ideas for shooting down your planes/UFOs, especially if you crash some planes.
c) Where are the countermeasures? If the US has a UFO problem, then they should have some sort of countermeasures. I'd think there'd be some tools that would be kept secret and some tools, more decoys, which would be deliberately leaked. You know, just like the US did a lot of its Cold War strategy. But we should be hearing about weird missiles or other things, even if (perhaps especially if) they don't work.
As it stands, if these reports reflect a true phenomena, let's say, Greys conducting covert reconnaissance of the Earth for some reason, then why screw around with the most militarily sensitive spots on the planet? What do they gain from that activity over decades which balances the risk of getting caught? The thing is that there's a certain sloppiness to the UFOs in these stories. They're visible, they do stuff that's likely to get powerful organizations riled up, and there's the risk of technology falling into relatively capable hands.
Let's give an example, suppose the US was overflying a bunch of cavemen and a plane crashed. From our experience with cavemen, they wouldn't be able to make anything of the crash. Perhaps pieces would be grabbed and used for relics or decoration.
Now suppose these cavemen were bright and far enough ahead in philosophy and organization that they knew the scientific method and could throw the resources of hundreds of tribes cooperatively for generations at figuring out this strange vehicle from the air. You might find them flying jets in a century. They might even have known the principles of flight, industrialization, etc already, but not have incentive to use that knowledge before the sky gods came.
That's the risk aliens take by doing these sorts of activities. Sure humanity can't use UFO technology now, but getting some could greatly hasten our progress towards UFO technology.
Send me some money and I'll tell you all about them. I'll even wear some dark aviator shades and a UFO cap while I do so.
Don't be such a homophobe. (I am joking, no need to mod me down)
"If you were a responsible person in a position of power, perhaps in some covert US task force, or some other friendly but worried power, and saw an idiot like bush in control at the whitehouse... wouldn't you take it upon yourself organise a disarmament too?"
Uh, no. For one thing, despite your pandering, our former president was not an idiot, by definition. Second, he did not show nor was described as showing any inclination to use nuclear weapons that I am aware of, and since he was vilified by the press nonstop for 8 years for every imagined manner of atrocity, negligence, idiocy, and megalomania, this would not have escaped our attention.
Look, he's back at his ranch, out of office. You can let up now. No one cares.
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
But can they fix Idle? Still broken.
This was a panel discussion held at the National Press Club.
Not a meeting of the National Press Club.
Big difference. They rented the room...
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
UFO means unidentified flying object. The article makes no reference to aliens.
You'd think a slashdot summary would recognize such a distinction. This is not the National Inquirer.
If there were bogeys, they were almost certainly terrestrial.
Nuclear radiation isn't known to cause that kind of delusion as far as I know. I think you're onto something with the common factor though; being responsible for a nuclear missile might well cause a lot of people to become paranoid, and perhaps even to imagine some higher power taking the responsibility/functionality away from them.
I think that just simply working for the govt, especially in any kind of top secret/military position, must have a strong affect on the mental health and foster a tendency to become paranoid.
why this piece of PR-made-to-look-like-a-news-item actually ended up on a news site? Seriously?
I've been skeptically following a lot of this UFO traffic for a couple of years..because I really want to know. But I have a theory that these "aliens" aren't really aliens. Take for instance the increasing number of homosexuals in the world. If what they say is true, that homosexuality is a genetic inheritance, could it mean that the human race is slowly evolving to become hermaphrodites? How many alien sightings have said that the aliens had sexual organs? Anyways, say that in the future humans are hermaphroditic time travelers? And perhaps they are traveling back in time to prevent the inevitable? I don't know, but I sure am seeing an increase of lesbians on dating sites.
Hypothetically, let us say we knew of two adjacent colonies of bratty orangutan idiots. Each had the capability of utterly destroying the other with trebuchets. Would it not behoove us to zap parts of each trebuchets with a laser to let them know that they cannot rely upon their weapons? This would lessen the chance of that the idiot orangutans would use their weapons, because a first strike could quite likely fail.
Gort Damno oinkyo!
Klaatu barada nikkto!
Barengi daegus!
Gort barenga.
Gee whiz Mr. Carpenter!
I killed da wabbit -Elmer Fudd
journalistic integrity...
You just made that up.
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Hey....First, have any of you ever read Alien Interview? If not, i suggest reading as it is a good read. If you have read it, and in a sense, believe some of what is written in it to be true or a possible valid reality(since everyones perception and reality is different based on life experiences and enviroment), than you should know that if there were aliens, flying around, they def would not nukes in the nethervoid. Lately, I believe more in Aliens than I believe in god or religion. Yea, you can call me a loon or crazy, but I think I am just keeping an open mind as to the possibilities out there.
Anyway, there have been previous press releases and videos on this such thing, so I wouldn't exactly go knocking it before you actually do some research and listen to what these people have to say with an open mind.
Second, he did not show nor was described as showing any inclination to use nuclear weapons that I am aware of
Except for revising US strategic nuclear doctrine to include preemptive strikes, of course. As CinC, Bush was accountable, if not directly responsible, for this initiative
No one cares.
Yeah, I think that was pretty much the whole problem.
This is easily the best slashdot story ever. I freaking love it. There is no way this isn't awesome. Either these guys are batshit crazy or it's true. We can't lose.
I only scored 35% on the Nerd Test, I'm sorry.
This has happened many times since the late 60s and possibly before.
These people are credible enough to handle launching nuclear ICBMs, including one who was a base commander at a foreign base where nuclear weapons were stored, yet some people still doubt their credibility?
It's not just unidentified objects showing up at silos, they've been able to take all of the independent missile systems offline in a very particular way, which shouldn't be possible...In some cases when fighters have been scrambled the objects will lead the fighters many, many miles away then shoot back to where they were in an instant.
I realize that a lot of people like to ridicule this stuff, because they're not used to credible people coming clean about this stuff. But UFOs are a reality, and these events did happen... Back in the 50s UFOs were in the press all of the time, without the added ridicule, there were days in July of 1952 where the capital was swarming with them.
What the UFOs are and where they came from, who knows - but there is something to these reports, so why don't you get all of the facts before you make up your mind. Contempt prior to investigation is a sure way to remain ignorant.
Sure, people will dismiss this and think it's about making money, but there are many, many crews that have stated this going back to the 60s, they're not selling books or anything else.
5-10 thousand nukes on the planet, late ones of which are able to exterminate life in a portion of the planet and eventually entire planet due to its ecological consequences, and NO accident of any sort happened up till this day, no madmen, no terrorists, no psychopaths, no other complication, but 10 k nukes majority of which with multi warheads that were designed to destroy 12 major cities on the planet in one single missile launch, just stood in their ready to launch state without any issues for decades ....
just take a look at everything else going on our planet. check the accident/disaster percentages. check their scale. the chances of a major catastrophe through nuclear weapons in the last few decades not happening are as low as none. its a miracle that we are still alive.
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There are consistent reports of the Nuclear warheads degrading to neutral abilities and there being UFO sightings ABOVE the premises of the SILO's housing the warhead-tipped missiles.
Either they are defective manufacture that isn't covered on Insurance claims, or they are being ATTACKED by ALIENS and thus warrants a claim to their Insurance.
It doesn't mean good observer, it doesn't mean critical thinker. It means only one thing: "We find it extremely unlikely this person will revel secret information given to them."
Mostly it is based on making sure you have no connections to a foreign government, and in making sure you have no skeletons in your closet or bad habits that could be used as leverage to make you betray your country.
So TS/SCI doesn't mean you don't believe in alien visitation, just that you aren't likely to give those visitors classified information :).
"several nuclear missiles simultaneously and inexplicably malfunctioned"
Wouldn't a malfunction mean that it didn't explode? Wouldn't that mean someone was trying to fire it? :-)
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Fact checking has one single purpose: it means that the newspaper can't be sued for printing falsehoods.
There's more to it than that. As journalism became a profession in the middle of the last century, news organizations would actually compete to be seen as the most factual and least biased sources of news. I know, it sounds incredible, but there were actual market forces at work compelling news organizations to check facts before publishing them.
The impact of libel law on news organizations has remained relatively constant, even in the era of Fox News and The Random Angry Blogger. While many "news" organizations are happy to cannibalize the profession of journalism in their race for the bottom, there are still media outlets both old and new that are holding on to journalistic ethics because they know there are still readers who will pay for the privilege of reading news that has actual facts in it.
Tilting libel in favor of plaintiffs would surely create more fact-checking, but I wouldn't bet on that happening any time in the near future. The Roberts Court is very pro-First Amendment. They love it so much they'll guarantee it for entities like corporations that aren't even human.
I wouldn't be surprised, though, if in a decade we find a small, robust core of truly journalistic organizations thriving in the face of widespread devaluation of news. They'll survive not because of the law, but because there will always be people who value straightforward reporting and will pay for it (not necessarily directly, but in some fashion).
Read the EFF's Fair Use FAQ
Newspapers used to have a position called a "fact-checker" .
As a matter of fact, they did not.
While newspapers conventionally have had editors who often checked facts, they weren't called fact-checkers, and their primary function usually was to fix bad writing (sometimes the job was more like translation) and to write headlines to fit layouts. The position was usually called "copy editor" or "copyreader" in the United States and "subeditor" in the UK. The primary responsibility for getting things right has always been placed on the reporter, whose job is to gather information and put it into something resembling the written word.
I've been in journalism for 40 years, and my dad was a newspaper editor before me. The only time I've encountered a "fact checker" has been in connection with a magazine article. Magazine articles often are outsourced to freelancers, whose butts are not necessarily available for kicking the next morning if something is wrong, so fact-checkers are employed to verify information before it's published. Typically they'll call a news source: "Is your name really Heywood Jablome?" There''s no time for that in a daily newsroom.
Of course, the cited "story" is not journalism at all, but rather an announcement pushed out by PR Newswire, which is a publicity release distribution service. Reuters carries PR Newswire because often the "press releases" contain legitimate and useful information, but it fails to adequately label the content for what it really is.
So any perceived decline in the profession of journalism can't be blamed for this wacky crap.
I spent several years first testing nuclear weapons and later as a quality control inspector. In fact the information on some of the test shots I worked on has recently been declassified. Do a search for Operation Upshot Knothole or Operation Buster Jangle. We instrumented these shots (using pressure gauges, displacement tests and strain gauges among others). This is just by way of letting you know that I DO have some direct experience with the weapons involved. As close as I was to all of this rumors DO circulate and I heard a BUNCH of them but NO ONE ever implied or suggested that we were being watched by aliens! That includes Air Force, Navy, Army and Marine forces involved in various things. Hell I even got foolish (with a buddy of mine) and drove up to Groom Lake to get a better view of one test. Now Groom Lake is connected with many stories of an Area 51 but I never saw anything even suggesting a major installation there. Oh our testing operations operated out of Nellis Airforce base. On the flip side of this coin I was in the US Navy going to Electronics school in San Francisco in 1945. Part of my boot camp training involved heavy training in aircraft identification so I had a fair knowledge of all man made flying objects in the world if you like. One evening at twilight I went down from our apartment to empty the trash. I looked in the direction of Moffett Field and saw (several miles away) something that looked like it might be a blimp with a row of lights down its long axis. I finished emptying the trash and looked up just in time to see 3 objects appear to detach themselves and start flying toward me. By this time I was truly puzzled because what I thought I was seeing made no sense. So I watched these 3 objects continue coming toward me quite slowly. As they got close enough to make out they turned out to be disk shaped but the angle was such that I could not make out anything on top of them. They were flying at what could best be described as "hovering" speed. The bottoms were convex and looked for all the world like a banked glowing coal fire. I had time to call my wife and ask her to come down. When she arrived they were directly overhead and I said "What are those?" She answered in an amazed tone of voice, "My god - flying saucers!" I would guess that they were between one and two thousand feet altitude and about 100 feet in diameter but I have no certainty of either the distance or the size. Now I had never before seen nor have I seen since anything that looked remotely like these craft. To this day I have NO idea what they were, where they came from or where they went. What I DO know is they had no resemblance to any flying craft I had seen during my aircraft recognition classes and I have never seen anything that resmbled them since. So although I know WHAT I saw - I try not to speculate on who might have been flying them but I frankly don't believe that anyone with that kind of technology would have a worry in the world about us because we will never leave this planet in the next hundred or more years in any manner to be a threat to others in the universe.
Much better than simultaneously and inexplicably functioning.
I love it. Everybody is way too serious, so even if this has an onionesque pedigree, it is a relief to find a bunch of wackos going public with their insane fantasies. Compared with the usual military stories about which oil nation to attack next, this is like a breath of fresh air.
Shine on you crazy bastards....
I think this is the same guy who has been hocking his book on http://www.missileforums.com/ which is a forum for former and current USAF missile crews and their related departments. Pretty much all of the responses from the people on there are "bullshit" and these are people that were in the LCC pulling shifts for 3 decades.
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I, for one, welcome our new nuclear warhead disarming overlords.
..I don't know which proposition is scarier, that there is *a force out there*, preventing us from commiting the ultimate madness.. ..or that there isn't one.
PR Newswire publishes press releases for a fee. Reuters reprints PR Newswire releases. Nobody in the chain fact-checks a damn thing.
Press conferences are not evidence. Testimony is not evidence. If they don't bring a body or a spaceship to this press conference, then there is absolutely nothing new here at all.
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UFOs != Alien intelligence
A more likely explanation is that it was/is a foreign gov. Or even someone on the home-team...
Since when did they start calling UFO's UAO's? WTF is the difference between an Unidentified Aerial Object and an Unidentified Flying Object?? I think there's more to this story...
Time to call up the Normandy!
Another useless UFO story(ies) isn't going nowhere and won't be that much of a money making scam nowadays, but what i wanted to just write and let is out is, i really, really hope while im alive, some type of intellectual alien life could come to us to do whatever, really, enslave us, kill us or just peacefully live among us.
It just would make life allot more interesting. (yes im bored as i type this)
Just as ants have no concept of your foot squashing them being signs of an advanced intelligence (you), so would flying saucers be considered a sign of beings from another planet. If they exist, (a far more advanced intelligence on earth than humans) then they would be good at keeping themselves hidden and secret.
Maybe they don't understand how we function any more than we understand how ants function.
Maybe by messing with our nukes they are protecting themselves in the way that we brush away ants at our picnics.
Or more realistically, the people who are in-charge of keeping the Dr. Strangelove characters from burning the earth are creating a collective hallucination of flying saucers and destroying the rogue nukes themselves. Since there has never been any real physical evidence of flying saucers actually existing, this is the most likely scenario.
Anyway, we should thank these guys for protecting us from the psychopaths in the military who want to burn the world and rule the ashes.
Do the Soviets (no I don't accept them as 'Russians'), the Chinese, the French, and the British have the same 'problem' with flying saucers fucking around with the nuclear bombs that we do?
I would prefer Gorts cold hard logic. Zim is who I fear.
I've heard this before on Coast to Coast AM, not sure what to think of it ...
*DrugCheese rants*
I mean, who wants to believe that $enemy_of_choice is so far advanced beyond us?
What (sometimes, sort of) surprises me is that no one seems to be seeing this as evidence of, erm, angels?
Computer memory is just fancy paper, CPUs just fancy pens with fancy erasers; the 'net is just a fancy backyard fence.
Your comment is interesting. I implies that the nukes may not exist, because if they did, and there was the ability to destroy life on earth and these systems were kept on hair-trigger readiness, then something would have happened already by now after @60 years.
I suspect that there is an "Omnicide Prevention Group" among the nuclear powers that works to identify 'Dr. Strangelove' characters and is enpowered to prevent them for creating 'Earth Burning' situations from happening.
Or we have been extremely lucky to have principled and moral men in the military guarding against these situations. Guys like the officer played by Denzel Washington in the movie Crimson Tide.
I'm anti-war, anti-military myself, but I salute these guys for being able to keep the peace since WWII.
Everyone gets all the money discussing about the Aliens and the War stories, but not enough discuss the incidents of fossils recovered from graves throughout America and the rest of the world. These fossils are key to health longevity, strength, mental capacity, and perhaps even paranormal abilities. Much of this documentation is pooled for free in various small "cultish" repositories, while some render it in brevity for a small price for a hardback book.
Look around http://www.lamarzulli.net/ for this one author who has a discussion on AmericanVoiceRadio.Com and consider the more historical references ( http://www.burlingtonnews.net/giantkossuth.html ) ( http://www.burlingtonnews.net/alienraces3.html )
One word: MONEY.
Think about it. Think logically.
They've already got people who measure the thixotropic response of ketchup in the USDA, and we don't even have enough money for them. Do you really think they're going to shell out the money for alien research, alien watch towers, alien hotlines for reporting, Department of Orbital Defense, alien-encouter insurance, abduction insurance, abduction lawsuits, implant removal surgery? Do we even wanna think about how you'd write up the MSDS sheet on a removed alien implant?
Better to keep pooh-poohing it and save all the tech you glean for yourself.
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as if it was designed to keep the UFO meme in the public consciousness. A strategy which works. Much of the public think conspiracy buffs are crackpots. with UFO tales priming the pump. I see all the time statements like "you are saying the ___ was a lie and the ___ was not real, LOL. What's next, UFOs?"
Overall UFO tales are a way for folks who grow up in authoritarian backgrounds, who sense something is amiss, to dissent in a safe way (in their minds).
I'm glad someone besides humans are watching the store. I welcome our alien masters
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This is the work of Professor Arthur Barnhouse no doubt.
*DrugCheese rants*
That is merely because Chief Justice Rehnquist was pretty much against individual freedom full stop.
It doesn't have to be an alien weapons system, the purpose could be to prevent us from exterminating ourselves.
I'd humbly suggest that the scientific value of a living Earth w/human race is immense to an alien species at any conceivable level of technological development, and if such an alien species has discovered us, they won't likely allow us to destroy ourselves or the planet.
Good point.
The fact of the matter is that this group of high-ranking witnesses has been around for several years now, pumping this same line. If you know where to find them, then sure, they've got a lot of fascinating notes to share. But the media has ignored them.
The interesting thing now is that this is receiving actual main-stream attention with the possibility of official acknowledgment. Now THAT'S spooky. It means somebody, somewhere is planning something. You don't turn on that big a switch in the public mind without wanting to get something out of it on the other side.
Consider; this same week, a new and high production-value TV program aired called, "The Event" just aired. It's also about aliens and conspiracies and government cover-ups. Reuters and Hollywood are simply output pipes on the same media machine and the timing for this kind of social engineering is impeccable given that the planet is about to start freezing and starving. I'm noticing other similar trends in the societal mind share on this topic.
Something is definitely up. Whether it is going to be a bait & switch kind of maneuver designed to lock down thinking patters, (like the fake moon landing con), or if it is simply time to wake people up to new masters or whatever. . , who the heck knows?
But it'll be neat to see how it all plays out.
-FL
The National Enquirer, spelled starting with an E. I know a couple of people that have written for them. The Enquirer has an army of fact checkers since they've been sued so often in the past. Their stock in trade is, of course, celebrity gossip, but the stories are accurate. Each is checked to within an inch of it's life before it hits the press.
"Do the Right Thing. It will gratify some people and astound the rest." - Mark Twain
and not something more obvious like foreign spy craft, manned or unmanned? The linked article makes no mention of extra-terrestrials at all, only security breaches by small craft. Ever heard of Occam's Razor? As an aside, it seems like lately I've seen more and more inaccurate headlines on Slashdot sometimes seemingly for sensationalism, other times seemingly to denigrate Americans or our lifestyle.
Since pretty much *anyone* can send a fax and claim it was from somebody else, then the first step would, in fact, likely be to confirm that the information is actually coming from the claimed source ...
I could send a fax right now with the return # of Obama's press agent and claim that I'm implementing a new 15% sales tax to fund healthcare, and the press would be *fools* if they didn't at least check with the real press agent (or whatever the equivalent position is actually called)
For one thing, despite your pandering, our former president was not an idiot, by definition.
Which definition is that?
If Sarah Palin gets elected, will she suddenly stop being an idiot?
Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
Let them monitor us and everyone else. I bow to our alien overlords declaration of quantities as long as they provide us the numbers with a pretty slide show.
Slowly waving my hand - "This is not the sig you are looking for."
My Dad was a pilot in the nuclear US AF. He saw a UFO as did the copilot and flight engineer. They didn't discuss it at the time and each wrote up their version to compare later. The stories were almost exactly the same. They decided that turning in those reports would be detrimental to their careers, so they didn't.
Dad was fairly highly decorated, promoted to full Col., and held multiple commands over his career.
After Dad died, Mom told me the story and it explained why their two best friends had been friends for so long. They were in that crew. At the time, it was strange to stay in contact with people over a 30 yr military career.
UFO just means they didn't know what it was, not necessarily that it was from another planet.
Way back in college I had an electrical engineering professor that told us that when he worked for the military part of his job was maintaining the control systems for nukes. He said that a big problem they've repeatedly fought with is that the insulation used in many of the nukes breaks down with time so you'll get a bit of crossover and shorting. So the nukes will suddenly arm themselves and fun things like that. It wasn't just single nukes either - whole locations would go into launch mode all on their own. I think the point was to be careful how you built things because what is fine under normal conditions might end up being used harder and longer than you expect.
I keep waiting for Armeggedon by glitch. The end of humanity because we insist on keeping around aging weapons that only an idiot would ever use anyway.
At what price learning? At what cost wisdom? The price is a man's peace of mind, and the cost is his life.
Obama's NPR seems to have differed slightly from Bush's 2002 NPR. How it differs is important. It limits contingency plans for nuclear strikes against other states to Iran and North Korea. Very magnanimous of him. It does however rule out attacks against states that are signatories of the NPT. Much more specific and limited than Bush's NPR.
Having a policy is not the same as exercising every component of it. There's more to this.
To be more specific, the Bush doctrine might permit a nuclear response to other types of WMDs. We may want the felxibility, but Obama is willing to forego that, at least in writing.
For the record, I'm in favor of a concerted effort to eliminate nuclear weapons. We should lead the way, pay for the dismantling and storage of nuclear weapons material, and we should press this to ostracize the few states that will refuse to participate. Will the Russians? Will the Chinese?
The real question is will Israel? They don't really even admit to having any, so this would be fun. But from a position of disarmament, we have a better place to compel states such as Iran and North Korea to abandon their plans. And if they won't, we can make a case for isolation.
Not likely to happen, because verification with states such as Israel and China is pretty much pointless. Russia is transparent compared to China.
You can't so easily put the toothpaste back in the tube.
Back to your point, however, as if Bush was looking forward to exercising a preemptive nuclear strike. You are delusional. I trust you don't use knives in the kitchen, because by your logic, having a knife makes you prone to use it premptively to silence an enemy. You're not like that, are you? No, of course not. But all the rest of us maybe. Maybe.
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
Sorry, I was about to reply, but that's unworthy of comment.
I do understand. Really.
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
Tilting libel in favor of plaintiffs would surely create more fact-checking, but I wouldn't bet on that happening any time in the near future. The Roberts Court is very pro-First Amendment.
So perhaps if the courts stuck to their original job of applying the law rather than writing the law then the legislators could go back to their job of writing laws and journalists could be made to return writing true stories to keep the courts and legislators honest....hmmm I think I see a flaw here.
I've often thought that if any of these alien witessings are actually true, then aliens appear to be pretty fragile, clever and more technologically advanced compared to us.
That would make us the galactic equivalent of orcs... driving around with clunky combustion powered vehicles, just starting out with remote communication, managing to get to the moon and back, once, by placing 3 people on tonnes of explosives... and then being proud of those achievements. We can't stop brutal violence in our societies, and even accept it as normal to a degree (perhaps they do too) and we often even idolise violence. (Hey, even I like my martial arts.) Sounds just like orks in WH40K, or orcs in general.
So, if aliens did exist, and this view of us as being the galactic equivalent of orcs is even somewhat accurate, then I wouldn't blame aliens for being shy from us, and closely monitoring our most powerful weapons.
In their position, I would be rather cautious too.
Some shit just needs to be left alone.
In GOD we trust, all others we monitor.
There are aliens, its obvious. We're probably some common 6th grade alien science fair project where the kids have to terraform a planet and then create semi-intelligent beings. Extra credit if they don't destroy each other within 100 years after nuclear technology.
I always liked the idea that 'UFO's' and 'Aliens' weren't from another distant planet, but infact highly evolved humans from - say a million - years in the future traveling back in time to study their ancestors.
It's time for me to get back at them.... *wave fist* ...
{reinstalls x-com}
I would also monitor the most dangerous weapons on the planet i am visiting. But if i had a technology for traveling light-years, i probably would not do that visibly.
i rember when upn first became a network they did a huge thing on ufos. a remake of a close encounter of a family that went missing. crazy stuff. but the problem with ufos is the footage has always been crap even with modern cameras. so i call it bs. show me clear hd shots of them where they cant be discredited. i rember when are stealth bomber was still in the classified stage everyone thought it was a ufo. till the air force stepped up and said no its a aircraft. and in the 50s we did experiment with flying saucers but at least they clame they never got them to fly more then a few feet off the ground barly. of course we all know rosewell happond way to many people saw it to say no it didn't. but the fact was it man made or alien was never told. as for this story disabling nukes would be quite easy with a good emp blast. emp would fry the computers leaving the nuke useless to launch.
I wish there was filter on slashdot that would let me skip past the initial flurry of posts on every article made by clowns trying too hard to be funny.
You have demonstrated the GP's point, of course, by shifting the target of your irrational hatred from Bush to a new object. How's the two-minute hate thing working out for you?
One of the highlights of all the political arguments I've been in was to catch a liberal friend of mine going on about conservative hate. I told him if we really wanted to see hate in action, I'd get him started talking about Sarah Palin.
To his credit, the message was understood.
Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms should be the name of a store, not a government agency.
In some cases, several nuclear missiles simultaneously and inexplicably malfunctioned while a disc-shaped object silently hovered nearby.
It really sounds so much more sensationalist if you imagine it being spoken with a British accent.
Indeed, there are some interesting tidbits floating around out there:
Operation Highjump:
Operation Highjump (OpHjp), officially titled The United States Navy Antarctic Developments Program, 1946-47, was a United States Navy operation organized by Rear Admiral Richard E. Byrd in Antarctica under the command of Richard Cruzen, which was launched on 26 August 1946 and ended abruptly in late February 1947, six months earlier than planned. The massive Antarctic task force included 4,700 men, 13 ships, and multiple aircraft.
The next bit is mostly reputed:
On March 5, 1947 the "El Mercurio" newspaper of Santiago, Chile, had a headline article "On Board the Mount Olympus on the High Seas" which quoted Byrd in an interview with Lee van Atta: "Adm. Byrd declared today that it was imperative for the United States to initiate immediate defense measures against hostile regions.
The admiral further stated that he didn't want to frighten anyone unduly but that it was a bitter reality that in case of a new war the continental United States would be attacked by flying objects which could fly from pole to pole at incredible speeds. [Earlier he had recommended defense bases AT the NORTH Pole.] Admiral Byrd repeated the above points of view, resulting from his personal knowledge gathered both at the north and south poles, before a news conference held for International News Service." When Byrd returned to the States, he was hospitalized and was not allowed to hold any more press conferences. In March 1955, he was placed in charge of Operation Deepfreeze which was part of the International Geophysical Year [1957-1958] exploration of the Antarctic.
There's a lot more than that, including Nazi submarines surrendering months after the war to Argentina, an incident a couple of decades after about unidentified submarines easily evading the entire Argentinian navy for a month, and the verifiable fact that Nazis were working on disc shaped aircraft. During the Nuremberg Trials, Dönitz spoke of "an invisible fortification, in midst of the eternal ice." The we have a reputed British flotilla commander who encountered a massive u-boat fleet heading south, can't find the reference now.
I personally give little credence to any of the above, but it is fascinating.
What he can't kill, he has sex on. Trent.
Citation needed.
New definition of definition needed.
I'd love these accounts to be true, but it puzzles me that the CIA/whoever could successfully cover UFO stories up for decades, while failing to prevent stuff like Abu Ghraib from coming out within a few months of it happening.
I'm recieving even less radiation from reading /. in my mom's basement, you insensitive clod!
Here be signatures
A US airforce commander, Bomber Harris sent US nuclear bombers on recon flights over the USSR with no way for russians to know wether they were there on a recon flight or an attack.
The rules don't mean much when you get insane people making their own policies.
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
All I got to say about the aliens is that, if they loved us less, we'd be dead by now.
And yeah, I really know, earthlings.
Maybe they release a scandal now and then to distract us from the real cover-up?
If I wanted to use covert drones to monitor enemies' installations, I think I'd test them out on my own first. And I probably wouldn't tell people first (or even afterwards).
but it puzzles me that the CIA/whoever could successfully cover UFO stories up for decades, while failing to prevent stuff like Abu Ghraib from coming out within a few months of it happening.
What's so puzzling?
There's tons of information out there, photographs, accounts, dead cows, crop circles. . . Has been for years.
The fact of the matter is that people have been trained to ignore that which the talking heads on TV have not sanctified with the wand of authoritative recognition and acceptance into "Official Reality".
It's true that you can't keep a secret. There are always leaks. However, you CAN keep the public from wanting to look or think about that secret. It's quite easy, actually. You just say, "X is uncool. Only losers think about X." We didn't go to school to learn math and science. We wen to school to learn our social programming.
It's the genius of mind-control.
Seriously; the particular group of people in this story have been around for quite a few years now, speaking the same message about UFOs. The only difference is that the news media looks like it consider validating them. That's the only thing which has changed.
That people's filters can be so immediately altered with such a subtle shift speaks volumes about how terribly programmed our society is.
It would be pathetic if it weren't also so very dangerous.
-FL
As someone famous once said, it's not the Little Green Men we have to worry about, it's the Large Green Motherfuckers.
Fascism: An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization. See also: NAZI's
UFO's and Military all the way back to 1952
Don't forget to enter "about:robots" in the FireFox address line....
The maximum Young's Modulus for any material is ultimately determined by the strength of the strongest possible covalent bond. A foil that could not be dented with a sledgehammer could not be made of ordinary matter, and anything not made of ordinary matter would only interact weakly with it (and by extension us.) Or, expressed more technically, your Major is writing fecal matter deriving from an animal of genus bos.
From scarped cliff or quarried stone she cries "A thousand types are gone, I care for nothing, no not one."
Newspapers used to have a position called a "fact-checker" and rather than just reprinting corporate and political press releases verbatim, they fact checked them first and would write a story about the release, pointing out any falsehoods. It isn't about book sales versus newspaper sales, it is about journalistic integrity.
That stopped being true a long time ago with newspaper running the ideological gamut to the detriment of journalistic integrity. It only took a long time (starting with Dan Rather) for people to realize journalistic integrity is, for the most part, not a guaranteed attribute.
An anonymous reader quotes a press release on Reuters for crackpot author's book tour.
Our greatest enemy is neither a single man, nor is it a nation, it is, as it has always been, our own greed.
If you don't think that the recent foo fighter videos shown on Mexico City TV news, shot from many different people, many phone cameras, and different vantage points don't constitute "closer" to proof, I don't know what to tell you.
Unlike the vast majority of history when we had to rely on firsthand accounts or worse, we're finally in an age where the average person DOES have a video camera available at a moment's notice, turned on, with everlasting 'film' at hand. And now as a result we are seeing videos of these "unidentified flying objects" we've been hearing about for 500 (not 50) years. So it becomes harder to dismiss these events as "speculation".
Maybe the nukes (and our bizarre idea of stashing attack weapons for "maintaining peace") are the simple reason aliens aren't saying hello...
I mean, we are an aggressive ape species that stash bombs that can destroy 10 planets 2 times over. With that and the history of human response to
foreigners in mind - the only logical Alien action is "We'd better keep off that planet... otherwise, the humans may start nuke-terrorism against us"
It does.
For proof I suggest you Google "Jane Fonda".
Gr8!!!!
I feel much more safe now, thanks!
Come on, you don't have to have "liberal hate" to think someone is an idiot, even if that person happens to be a popular conservative politician. It is entirely possible to disapprove of someone that has opposing political views for reasons that have nothing to do with those political views. I don't know Sarah Palin, never met her, so can't really comment on her mental capacities. But she certainly comes across as an idiot in the media. The fact that she was elected to a position of authority doesn't strike me as counter evidence.
...sometimes, in order to hurt someone very badly, you have to tell that person terrible lies. - PA
Legislators create laws, which require interpretation by judges. It is virtually impossible to create a statute that doesn't require some degree of interpretation. To create one that addressed every possible situation would place us in a society so rule-bound that we'd all have to consult the statute book before crossing the street.
Judges look to the intent of the law as well as the the language of the law, and they incorporate precedent (the outcome of prior related cases) into their interpretation. In so doing, they create further precedent. So yes, judges shape the law, but they do not create it out of nothing.
Read the EFF's Fair Use FAQ
My God you are unimaginative.
I told him if we really wanted to see hate in action, I'd get him started talking about Sarah Palin.
Hate has its uses. A little hate at the right place and time might have stopped Hitler. The possibility of someone like Palin gaining the US Presidency is worth fighting against with every weapon at civilization's disposal. If that includes hate, well, so be it.
Prepare to be eaten.
Regards,
Lrrr
You seem to understand a rather narrow slice of human emotional capacity. Hate is unnecessary, and an emotionally stunted 'position' to take. It's not a product of someone on an even keel, but that of an emotionally excitable juvenile.
One can understand that someone is wrong for the country, that their positions will be destructive if implemented, and work with resolve to defeat them- but hate is found nowhere in this mature spectrum. If you're a cynical manipulator, drumming up hate in a sea of useful idiots- such as yourself- might advance your goals. But it's not an emotion that leads to anything good.
So, have fun with that.
Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms should be the name of a store, not a government agency.
And if you see what portion of the establishment media is 'liberal', you might suspect that portraying Palin as an idiot is an intentional product of their political tastes.
Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms should be the name of a store, not a government agency.
And if you see what portion of the establishment media is 'liberal', you might suspect that portraying Palin as an idiot is an intentional product of their political tastes.
"What magazines do you read?"
"All of them"
Yeah. Liberal bias.
In the common law system judges create law.
No - judges create precedence, not law i.e. they interpret the law one way and then that way is supposed to be followed in later trials for consistency. They are NOT supposed to go around making up laws or interpreting things the way they want them. They are supposed to attempt to interpret the law in the way intended by the legislators when they passed it or as society would expect it to be interpreted.
in all honesty though, its going to be a long damn time before we get the rest of their secrets.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtmpaM0PqyI Undeniably riveting testimony, even without any questions by the mainstream media houses present.
What I was saying, if you bothered to think about my post instead of immediately looking for what is wrong with it, is if you apply occam's razor, chances are it isn't aliens.
The problem is that Occam's razor is improperly understood and often used as a casual dismissal in lieu of more challenging thought exercises.
The basic misuse of Occam I see occurs when people measure what they believe may or may not be more likely based on incomplete knowledge and pre-existing biases. For example, when Alexander Graham Bell announced to the world that he could send voices down thin copper wire, there was outrage. I remember reading a large essay from a news archive, published in a big, respected paper of the day, complete with illustrations and accurate maths, stating that it was impossible for voices to carry down metal tubes of the diameter Bell was using in his experiments. -The sceptics of the day were thinking about the known models for voice transfer through tubes, commonly used on ships, and so in their eyes, had they applied Occam's Razor, they would pulled up a negative result because their knowledge structure at that time did not include electricity in the way Bell was using it.
This is the problem with Occam. Its users rely on self-referential data and known quantities to establish probability.
When one explores sufficiently the vast wells of data available regarding UFOs and similar, Occam's Razor cuts in the other direction.
-FL