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Linux 2.6.36 Released
diegocg writes "Version 2.6.36 of the Linux kernel has been released. This version includes support for the Tilera architecture, a new filesystem notification interface called fanotify, CIFS local caching, support for Intel Intelligent Power Sharing in i3/5 systems, integration of the kernel debugger and KMS, inclusion of the AppArmor security system, a redesign of workqueues optimized for concurrency, and several new drivers and small improvements. See the full changelog here for more details."
2.6.36-th post :)
The one post where 90% of /. users will actually read TFA
linus trolling on everyone that disagrees with him...
Because of desagreement in the ABI the fanotify is disabled in this kernel.
This is why I come here.
Actually, I'll come back in 4 hours and read the top comments not modded funny. That's why I come here.
They should make a slashdot that's just about linux projects, nasa/physics stuff, and DIY routers. Like slashdot vintage. It'd be classy. Elastic band jeans and plaid tie dress code. God I miss the good old days. *pours mad dog 20/20 on anti-static carpeting*
slashdot: where everyone yells sarcastic metaphors to themselves to understand the issue
fanotify syscalls are disabled because people still can't agree on the API.
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In other words, Loonix is not ready for the mainstream desktop user.
There, fixed that for you
What the hell is it with file notification? It never seems to be reliable or stable. There was inotify, dnotify, fsnotify, fam, gamin, incrond... and since fam/gamin always ended up using 100% CPU or causing other problems, I've just avoided the whole idea, even though I regularly think of situations that I could use incrond in.
I would have thought that setting a flag/triggering an event when a file was altered would be a matter of adding a small queue/bit system for events and about one line of code to vfs functions that modify files, but obviously not.
So... does anyone use incrond and get good, reliable results? Will fanotify help at all?
The problem that prevents flash from playing fullscreen is that it's closed source crap, not that Linux is in any way incomplete.
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Have you heard about SoylentNews?
Ask Adobe if it can play Flash. It's their product after all.
I'm starting to think GNU is the problem with "GNU/Linux" these days.
The problem that prevents flash from playing fullscreen is that it's closed source crap
So that's why Gnash plays videos so much better? Oh wait, it's actually worse.
not that Linux is in any way incomplete.
No, the problem isn't incompleteness it's the fact that one has to traverse a jungle of incompatible audio and video APIs to make sure it even works at all across the various distributions.
I thought linux was up to version 10.10? (Maverick something)
Hey. It's still me, Anonymous Coward. I take back everything I just said. Linux is awesome. And my penis is small.
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SERIAL: ioc3_serial: Return -ENOMEM on memory allocation failure
I guess he won't be releasing anymore albums.
Any updates to the Compressed RAM subsystem, and is this suitable for Android and XO yet? How about Desktop Debian/Ubuntu?
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Now where did I leave those mod points...
you had me at #!
http://freshmeat.net/projects/loonix/
I'm guessing it doesn't play flash since it's a server distribution. Silly question really.
linux doesn't have poor support for flash. flash has poor support for linux.
The problem is in the fragmentation of distributions and the fragmentation in the GUI.
True. We should only have one auto manufacturer making one model of car too, because having so many companies selling so many different types of car is terribly confusing.
May we conclude the same thing about iOS based on this logic, too? If Flash isn't considered 'necessary' for Linux, why should it be deemed 'necessary' for any other device or platform?
I'm still waiting to see the open source community's "Thank You!" to Steve Jobs for helping to start the demise of Flash on the web. After all - closed source is never good, so making a device that publishers want to target which doesn't allow them to use shitty flash technology is a great win for the consumer - isn't it? Or are you all just bent that Apple is succeeding in doing something you've never been able to accomplish despite all the flowery, toe-jam-eating rhetoric Stallman spouts?
But can it play fullscreen flash video smoothly yet?
Yes.
Well, Ubuntu 10.04 on my laptop certainly doesn't seem to have any problem playing full screen Flash video. However, flash does hog the audio so I have to kill the damn thing if I want to play sound from anything else.
If there's one valid complaint in your post it's the crappy state of audio on Linux.
Or having 1 hundred, none ready for every day usage at the very best. Distros or car brands at your choice.
Maybe Computers will never be as intelligent as Humans.
For sure they won't ever become so stupid. [VR-1988]
What makes you think that people who work on a distribution would work on another if there wouldn't be for the one that they work on? Since they are not doing it now it means they have reasons not to do it.
That applies in corporate world too, do you think that people who work for Apple would work for Microsoft if there wouldn't be Apple?
And here we were actually talking about a new version of the kernel, not about any distribution, why do you troll?
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How come Slashdot keeps posting stuff about Linux? Where are our Apple-related news? Lion, iLife '11, FaceTime for Mac and new MacBook Air notebooks were announced yesterday! We never speak about Apple it's always Linux, Linux, Linux! *
* for the slow-minded, this is a parody of the "Apple news again? We never get any Linux news!" posts. As long as it's not freakin' Microsoft, I'm fine with it.
This article is about the kernel. If you have problems with your GUI, take it up with your distro.
Give me Classic Slashdot or give me death!
How about having many manufacturers procude one model of car and one model of truck? That would standardize parts and lower the cost. We get to keep competition with the multiple manufacturers and they get a better cost per part because of the higher production quantities.
Then again, if everybody sells the exact same thing, we'll probably get price collusion problems. Maybe standardize all the structural and mechanical parts and let them customize the exterior panels and interior features (A/C or not, MP3 player or not, almond crunch or crunchy frog).
If it was a Microsoft troll shouldn't it be about Silverlight and mono?
The problem that prevents flash from playing fullscreen is that it's closed source crap, not that Linux is in any way incomplete.
Yup, that's 100% Adobe's fault... and also 100% Linux problem.
Ubuntu is an African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'
Actually, all the relevant particulars of Flash are openly available (see Adobe's Open Screen project). The big exception is Sorenson Spark, but that's already available via ffmpeg. Basically, Gnash just isn't there yet.
Linux IS the kernel. I think what you are refering to is GNU/Linux Bitch!! ;)
Wait, wait, wait. You're praising Apple for helping get rid of something closed-source? Really? Apple?
Whatever it is, it's notablog.
A new kernel version for a Linux nerd is like xmas to a 5 year old.
(cue many replies about how this is a good thing)
Agreed. If you look at how many Linux distro's there are, where they came from / how they are built, there are essentially a small number: some Fedora (.rpm) based, some Debian (.deb) based, some Slackware (plain .tar.gz), and a small number of distro's that have their own system for building packages from source (Gentoo & a few others).
Beyond that, practically all other distro's are just one of those above, with a specific package selection, a set of distro-specific patches applied to various packages, and customized artwork / default settings (like default user language). IMHO it would be a great advance if the Linux distro landscape could be reduced to just that: a small number of 'mother distros', and then for every other distro simply a pack of files that determines what makes that distro different from the one it's derived from. Distro's that deviate just a bit would have a small & easily maintained 'modification pack', distro's that move further away from their parent would have a bigger / more elaborate 'modification pack'.
That way there could be much more sharing of resources like package repositories, bug databases, programmer's time, etc, etc, versus each distro re-inventing their own wheels & having their own system for handling things that other distro's do as well. Maybe it wouldn't be possible to share binary packages (due to different compile flags & patches applied), but it could be possible to share a single build system, and a single source tree for all Linux distro's. Where each distro would consist of a set of patches against that source tree, a set of compile options, and a set of options that decide how the built binaries are divided over packages (and into CD images etc). With the custom artwork & distro-specific settings included somewhere along the build process.
And if there would ever be the chance of agreeing on a single package format, even those 'mother distros' might be integrated into one. But of course that's just daydreaming, another bridge too far that'll never happen because distro maintainers are stubborn people who want to do things their own way... (sigh)
damn, just compiled 2.6.36RC8 to fix suspend issues on thinkpad x200.
ps it compiled out of box (no patches) with icc and intel libraries!
Accroding to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TILE64 the Tilera CTO and co-founder is Anant Agarwal. According to http://www.csail.mit.edu/user/723 he is from Madras, India.
Imagine all Indian computer gurus moving back to India, backed by the wealth of Tata (www.tata.com) or the like.
Do you think China and other high focus companies have the right to be scared?
Yet, before then, show me the benchmarks
Yes Apple, the same company that runs this site: http://www.opensource.apple.com/ They are big contributors and users of open source.
Hey dumbass !! Did he say ONE Linux would be better? NO !! He said it's FRAGMENTED. That means there are too many. Why does the solution to fragmentation always have to be ONE version instead?
Troll.
So what is the ONE TRUE CORRECT NUMBER of Linux versions? Two? Three? Six? Forty-Two?
What should be the punishment for anyone who decides to release a new distro once we have the ONE TRUE CORRECT NUMBER of distros? Burning at the stake? Removal of git commit privileges?
The offtopic mod is offtopic on its own!
The new kernels are OK since long now. A few new things and a lot more fixes. But what's that for if the distros are leaving it behind as well as creating a whole new mess with their idiosyncracies.
Maybe Computers will never be as intelligent as Humans.
For sure they won't ever become so stupid. [VR-1988]
Windows has done that for years, if you are referring to suspend-to-disk.
But can it play fullscreen flash video smoothly yet? Do we have stable APIs and ABIs? Can we ditch the dozens of competing audio APIs? In other words, Loonix is still garbage.
But can it go a single day without getting a virus yet? Can we see the source code? Can we get something that doesn't have to be so totally locked down at work (to avoid said viruses) that everything we try to do takes 3 times as long and we cannot even access our gmail accounts?
In other words, Windows is still garbage.
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I use my linux desktop at work every day, and my linux laptop at home every day. My wireless router runs linux every day, and the several embedded products I'm working on run linux every day (when I haven't broken something...).
I have a car and a motorcycle that I can use to get to work or wherever every day. Neither are suitable for transporting cattle, but then that's not an issue for me. Your reasoning is that because you presumably have some situation for which no distribution fits your needs then all distributions are not ready for daily usage?
It's like you *almost* get that there really are only a few distros, but then miss the upshot of that. The upshot is that the hundreds or thousands of other distros are irrelevant when it comes to why, e.g., Linux graphics suck or software distribution is hard. Nobody cares or pays attention to those one-off distros or super-custom distros. They are expected to maintain their own stuff. Developers target the main distros and that's about it. Since the main distros use more or less the same software, even that's not as big of a problem as it's made out to be.
Finally, 2011 must be year of Linux
Yes, they support open-source, but they are by no means supporters of openness. They certainly aren't "liberating" users by going against Flash.
Whatever it is, it's notablog.
Linux does it even if you don't suspend/hibernate.
...so that when I cold boot the machine it comes up in the state I left it when I powered down, like Linux does?
I'm not sure what you mean here. (Maybe because I don't run Windows.) Linux always boots in a "known-good" state - which is exactly the way I like it. I really hate it when I see fag-ends or other artifacts of previous sessions appearing in a new session after reboot.
The only thing worse than closed source is a walled garden.
it's the crappy state of both kinds of audio on Linux. that's the only place in the GNU/Linux realm where having choices don't seem to be a good idea (when they're both bad)
Not any Linux that I've used. Do you mean that half-baked, barely working session-management built into KDE/GNOME?
Linux doesn't have poor support for desktop users. Desktop users have poor support for Linux.
Fair enough. I was responding in the context of open/close source code, not openness as an abstract concept.
No, the problem isn't incompleteness it's the fact that one has to traverse a jungle of incompatible audio and video APIs to make sure it even works at all across the various distributions.
Then how come mplayer works on every common Linux distribution, and has been able to do smooth fullscreen video for as long as I can remember?
But can it play fullscreen flash video smoothly yet?
Yes. Even on 64-bit.
http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html
What would be the point of making a distro if there wasn't something unique about it?
No, he's not trolling Adobe fans (if there actually ARE Adobe fans), he's trolling Linux users.
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The problem is in the fragmentation of distributions and the fragmentation in the GUI.
True. We should only have one auto manufacturer making one model of car too, because having so many companies selling so many different types of car is terribly confusing.
But they all have the same UI...
Yup, that's 100% Adobe's fault... and also 100% Linux problem.
To be fair (FWIW), Adobe didn't actually create the Flash can of worms. For some bizarre reason, they apparently thought the technology was actually worth buying.
How come Slashdot keeps posting stuff about Linux? Where are our Apple-related news? Lion, iLife '11, FaceTime for Mac and new MacBook Air notebooks were announced yesterday! We never speak about Apple it's always Linux, Linux, Linux! *
* for the slow-minded, this is a parody of the "Apple news again? We never get any Linux news!" posts. As long as it's not freakin' Microsoft, I'm fine with it.
Here, I'll make an Apple user feel right at home:
The newest version of Linux, Snow Penguin, has been released and this changes everything! This version includes support for the Tilera architecture, a beautiful new filesystem notification interface called iNotify, Spacewarp local caching, support for Intel Intelligent Power Sharing so your computer will otomaticaly [spelled correctly] turn off unused appliances in your house to save you thousands of dollars in power bills every year, developer improvements and a revolutionary AppArmor security system. It's speedy. It works–better. See the full keynote for more details.
Big apple, new Yorik, undig it, something's unrotting in Edenmark.
On 10.04 and 10.10, my wireless connection flips out with full screen flash video. It's weird, and annoying.
How come Slashdot keeps posting stuff about Linux? Where are our Apple-related news? Lion, iLife '11, FaceTime for Mac and new MacBook Air notebooks were announced yesterday! We never speak about Apple it's always Linux, Linux, Linux! *
* for the slow-minded, this is a parody of the "Apple news again? We never get any Linux news!" posts. As long as it's not freakin' Microsoft, I'm fine with it.
Here, I'll make an Apple user feel right at home: The newest version of Linux, Snow Penguin, has been released and this changes everything! This version includes support for the Tilera architecture, a beautiful new filesystem notification interface called iNotify, Spacewarp local caching, support for Intel Intelligent Power Sharing so your computer will otomaticaly [spelled correctly] turn off unused appliances in your house to save you thousands of dollars in power bills every year, developer improvements and a revolutionary AppArmor security system. It's speedy. It works–better. See the full keynote for more details.
Dammit...I forgot to call it "magic."
Big apple, new Yorik, undig it, something's unrotting in Edenmark.
The upshot is that the hundreds or thousands of other distros are irrelevant when it comes to why, e.g., Linux graphics suck or software distribution is hard. Nobody cares or pays attention to those one-off distros or super-custom distros.
Well, that distro's maintainers (and users) care, which means their effort is not spent on improving the distro it's derived from. Sure some fixes will make it back to the parent distro, but only to a limited degree. Also that distro maintainers have to set up a lot of things (package repositories, source control system, bug tracking system etc) that the parent distro already had in place. If the on-off distro is just a small modification, that is wasted effort no matter how you look at it.
Since the main distros use more or less the same software (..)
Yes, and yet many resources for using / maintaining that same software are not shared - more unnecessary waste.
So what's that all about? Is it ready for the desktop yet? Will it upgrade nicely for the cousins I have persuaded to use Ubuntu, and whose schoolchildren are still puzzled?
flash has poor support for linux.
Exactly. And, to be honest, I don't really care. I wouldn't even consider taking the time to view a full-length Flash movie. Flash support for Linux is more than adequate for viewing crappy YouTube movie clips, which is just about all Flash is good for in the first place.
Many site designers seem to think it's cool to embed the entire content of their webpage into a Flash presentation, but I find this irritating enough that unless I have already decided I am really keen on investigating the content for some compelling reason, I will usually just pass the site by.
Which is why people almost exclusively buy Chevy or Ford or (insert your brand of choice here) to the point where a family will only drive Fords or Toyotas or Hyundais.
It's not nearly as noticeable though, because buying a new car happens only slightly more often than buying a new house. It's nowhere near as commonplace as a piece of consumer electronic like the PC, but the concepts of familiarity and level of comfort remain the same. People are uncomfortable with a lot of choices, to the point where they may just walk away and not choose when presented with too many. So for those choices that absolutely need to be made (like getting a car when living in a suburb), people will choose by honing in on one aspect, resulting in a sometimes seemingly illogical decision. But for choices that aren't absolutely necessary (like which OS to use on the new PC), people will more likely walk away, i.e. choose between Windows and Mac.
The point is, too many choices is not necessarily a good thing.
"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be."
>Basically, Gnash just isn't there yet.
Some real progress was made in the early development of Gnash. There were people underwriting the project who were willing and able to pay a living wage to developers who could finish it, but that talent didn't really come forward. Those people have pretty much moved on to other projects. (You know who you are, and I know way more about this than I'm going to say in a slashdot post.) I was plugged into the Gnash project for a while, and I thought it was really interesting. But even a commercial venture will fail if it can't acquire talent.
-fb Everything not expressly forbidden is now mandatory.
The problem really isnt the number of distros.
.. but what we can do is point at a specific spot and say "thats definitely on the wrong side"
The problem from a commercial standpoint is that a binary for one distro just doesnt work on another, and even within the same distro there are frequent compatibility breaks between versions.
Add to this the plethora of windowing managers, audio stacks, and so on that the users themselves can go ahead and replace. It is at this point that you realize that you've gone well past the line where fragmentation is a valid criticism.
Nobody can point to some specific spot in the sand and say "thats where fragmentation begins"
I use both Ubuntu and Windows. I only develop for Windows.
"His name was James Damore."
"May we conclude the same thing about iOS based on this logic, too? If Flash isn't considered 'necessary' for Linux, why should it be deemed 'necessary' for any other device or platform?"
Flash isn't "necessary." What's "necessary" is a medium for interactive games and amateur videos on the web. Flash created a medium for that, it became so popular that it helped define the internet, and people want to create and consume that content. It may not be 'necessary', but then neither is corn, petroleum, or helium.
-fb Everything not expressly forbidden is now mandatory.
However, flash does hog the audio so I have to kill the damn thing if I want to play sound from anything else.
Doesn't ubuntu use pulse audio by default? It might be because of it..
I only have alsa in my laptop, no alsa config files created, and everything can play concurrently. Even closed source applications like flash and skype access alsa using dmix so they don't hog the audio device anymore.
Despite for network audio (which jack also do, and do better) I don't really see why pulseaudio is needed.
I realize I wasn't particularly clear. As long as we're on the same page now :)
Whatever it is, it's notablog.
Maybe 3-5 distros work in-house on Desktop user-experience... and all of them release open source! If someone has a good idea, it will spread around. If you still have a problem with Linux on the Desktop, it's despite the size of the community, not because of it.
It's the fact that every distro team spends a lot of efforts to make it unique. Instead of making it working.
I respectfully disagree. The more responsible and well-established distros - by which I mean Slackware, Arch (my current preference), Debian and I guess RedHat/Fedora - are pretty solid on their quality control. They all "Just Work"(TM).
Slackware (with its team of one individual) and Arch are pretty much BSD-like in their approach to setting everything up, while Deb and RH follow a more SysV-like approach.
I won't get started on Ubuntu, because that distro just makes me irritable every time I install it. Sorry.
Despite for network audio (which jack also do, and do better) I don't really see why pulseaudio is needed.
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1. full screen flash works fine on my linux machines
2. mplayer seems never to have such issues, so more likely flash just sucks.
No, it is flash not talking to pulse like it should. The Flash linux developer is either lazy or incompetent.
Stop releasing binaries, give us source. That solves the problem right there.
Since when is Linux an operating system?
Then how come mplayer works on every common Linux distribution, and has been able to do smooth fullscreen video for as long as I can remember?
That's a bug they've been trying to chase down for years.
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This isn't informative, this is IRRATIONAL SHIT. If it's closed source, an open source implementation will take longer to achieve good success, especially if documentation sucks ass. Now go play with your flash crap, as I've turned mine off for a long time now.
Have you heard about SoylentNews?
No, but they did add the garbage video player, which uses software to perform scaling and colorspace conversion. Prior to that, flash was just an animation and scripting plugin.
Unless you want to do video playback, and have to deal with the awful latency issues in PulseAudio.
Despite for network audio (which jack also do, and do better) I don't really see why pulseaudio is needed.
For the vast majority of users, it is not needed at all. It just gives people a fancy interface where they can adjust the volume per-application like in Windows. Look! Pretty!
The problem is in the fragmentation of distributions and the fragmentation in the GUI.
True. We should only have one auto manufacturer making one model of car too, because having so many companies selling so many different types of car is terribly confusing.
But they all have the same UI...
Some have three pedals, some have two. Some have a shifter on the wheel, some have a shifter to the right of the seat. The position of the horn button is not necessarily consistent. Operation of headlights, wipers, etc. vary from model to model. Some automatic transmission shifters simulate manual transmission... And shifters in general (particularly manual ones) don't necessarily all have the same layout. Where is the lever for opening the gas tank, or the hood, or operating the parking brake, power windows and locks?
I agree that lack of UI standardization is a problem in Linux, and to some extent I think it's an unavoidable problem on a system developed without any kind of central authority guiding the design of applications. But I think the car analogy doesn't support that. Cars' "user interfaces" have had decades of time to stabilize, and for a long time they have been fairly consistent... But they don't all have the "same" UI.
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I should add that yes, there seems to be a pretty solid ABI for running binaries AFAIK, but even if so the main problem is the lack of installers for them. Microsoft had good ABI standards for running binaries, and installers are commonplace. That's something Linux badly, badly needs to remedy. So far, installers on Linux are horrible. They don't hook into the user's software manager. They sometimes fail at putting links in the user's menus or whatnot. They don't even add themselves to a repo list so they can check for updates with the normal system updates (even though some check themselves directly, which is okay but not ideal). Linux just needs a lot more cross-distro love in standards, otherwise it will continue to be not as appealing to developers. All you have to do if you want proof of the Linux software installation mess is go to most any Sourceforge or website that offers Linux software, and ask yourself "could my grandma install this on her system?" If that answer is no, either your gradma is dead, or Linux sucks in this area.
Promote true freedom - support standards and interoperability.
It's called choice. Some prefer Gnome, I prefer KDE. Many distros give you a choice of desktops, boot loaders, everything.
Microsoft is like a Model-T Ford: any color you want, so long as it's black.
I disagree with your comment, but I strongly disagree with its moderation; it is NOT offtopic. I long for the old metamoderation system, where too many bad mods cost you the ability to moderate.
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Hahaha, disregard that, I suck cocks.
Or having 1 hundred, none ready for every day usage at the very best.
Odd, I've never owned a Mac, my home is finally free of Microsoft, and guess what? I use the computer every day. Linux has never slowed me down at all; it does everything a computer needs to do, usually better than Windows.
It's ironic that KDE cold-boots in the same state you left it in when you shut it down and Windows doesn't, but you have to reboot Windows just to install an update to an application. It's extremely annoying to get up in the morning and turn on the PC just to read a little of the newspaper, and as soon as you get the browser open Windows has updated and wants you to restart. So much for its vaunted "useability".
The one thing that I really love about KDE (or rather, hate about Windows) is, on my netbook the power button is right by the escape key (bad design, Acer). It came with Win 7, and I'd hit the power key by mistake and it would just shut down, no stopping it. Id have to reboot the computer and reopen all the apps. In KDE, you're prompted with logoff, restart, shut down, or cancel when you hit the power button.
You people who say "Linux isn't ready for everyday use" are either ignorant, trolling, shilling, or some combination.
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when they're both bad
Both? There's far more than that (pulse, alsa, oss3, oss4, ...?) and they all suck in some form or another.
Though I like the unixy elegance of oss: cat data > /dev/dsp to play and cat /dev/dsp > file to record. Nice.
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to be fair, well behaved ALSA apps work great for me. Flash isn't a well behaved app as it does't seem to understand that it needs to grab a threaded instance of alsa and not just write to the device.
It sure would be nice if ssh could set up audio forwarding, and per app gain control. Other that those, not sure i'm wanting much more. Maybe a nice way to make my 5.1 sound card look like 2 or 3 stereo devices. Game audio over the speakers, voicechat over the headphones.
All of the above was encrypted with a Quad ROT-13 method. Unauthorized decryption is in violation of the DMCA.
how do you propose to make them all the same yet different?
All of the above was encrypted with a Quad ROT-13 method. Unauthorized decryption is in violation of the DMCA.
And if you provide source most distros will be happy to work with you to get your softwware in. Closed software on the oterhand will get you the dev guide for distro, and a "host your own repo" sort of response. This isn't because closed software is evil or anything, simply it's a lot of work to do if you don't have source and a sane build system.
for example see handbrake in gentoo. It's build system does dumb things and doesn't use system libs, and so it's still not in yet. ship[ping bundled libs could be overlooked if they would provide them all in the tarball and not download them at build time.
All of the above was encrypted with a Quad ROT-13 method. Unauthorized decryption is in violation of the DMCA.
Give it up, Richard...
So now not only do I have to contend with end users changing default packages on distros, I also have to contend with the source code they are using not even being 100% mine, also with possibly hacked up header files (to solve someone elses problem), and link against who-knows-what libraries, etc.. etc..?
Still further, I would then have to provide support so that your grandmother could successfully compile it. Oh, did you expect me to stick it on your distros repository, and thus give the program away for free? Thanks but no thanks.
Now you know why professional developers dont make things like Linux games. Your response to shortcomings that generates fragmentation is to ask for source code, rather that deal with the actual issue.
"His name was James Damore."
What I mean is (and it may be a KDE thing and not a Linux thing) if I have Occular open reading Doctorow's book, and Firefox open to the local newspaper, and OpenOffice open writing a letter to grandma and shut the computer down, when I turn it back on Occular is displaying the book, OpenOffice is displaying the letter, and and Firefox is displaying the newspaper. It behaved like that with Mandrake, and it behaves like that with kubuntu. I don't know about Gnome or other desktops, I've always been happy with KDE. And that's how I like it; if I want a program shut down I'll do it myself. If it's bedtime and I'm halfway through a book and shut off the computer, I want that book to be open when I restart it in the morning.
In Windows, when you restart the machine, the only apps that are open are the ones that are in your startup directory; it closes all your programs when you shut it down, even if you haven't saved your data (although it will give you a few seconds to save before it does). And Windows isn't as retarded about making you reboot all the time as it used to be, but you still have to reboot Windows a LOT. Almost any change to almost any app requires a reboot for the changes to take effect, and often the damned thing will nag you every five minutes to reboot. Linux only makes you reboot if you're making changes to the kernel.
I used to run dual-boot back in the Mandrake days when I was heavily into PC games, and the netbook I'm using now came with Windows 7 but is no longer installed on the machine. I'll tell you, you're not running Windows? You're not missing a thing.
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I've heard this claim many a time, but I've never had issues with full screen Flash when running linux, even back in the Ubuntu 5.x days. Maybe the issue is hardware related? I've always used Nvidia cards and (since I'm a gamer and dual boot) tend to have pretty powerful systems.
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It's a KDE feature, not sure about Gnome. And it's been fully baked and fully working since at least the Mandrake days.
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Would you mind telling me what brand/model your laptop is? I've still got a desktop soundcard with 32 channel hardware mixing (so ALSA-only isn't a problem) but I've been worrying about having to use Pulseaudio one day/in a laptop.
Would you mind telling me what brand/model your laptop is? (..) I've been worrying about having to use Pulseaudio one day/in a laptop.
It is a HP dv6535ep, the sound card is
$ lspci | grep Audio
00:07.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP65 High Definition Audio (rev a1)
a Intel HDA with a Conexant CX20549 (Venice) chipset. No hardware mixing.
From http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Dmix
NOTE: For ALSA 1.0.9rc2 and higher you don't need to setup dmix for analogue output. Dmix is enabled by default for soundcards which don't support hardware mixing. You still need to set it up for digital outputs.
Pretty much everything uses dmix now a days, even gnome that was using the crappy esound interface moved to gstreamer long time ago, which supports pretty much everything (alsa, oss4, pulseaudio).
Unless you need some outdated piece of audio software, I don't think you have to worry about something hogging your sound device.
No, that's the point: Gnash is having to play catch-up, just like nouveau is having to play catch-up with nvidia drivers.
Hell, can Windows play flash video smoothly yet?
Well, wikipedia says that it is an OS. refers to the family of Unix-like computer operating systems using the Linux kernel
Hell, even kernel.org says "Linux is a clone of the operating system Unix". Which implies that Linux is an operating system. Sure there are different distros of it that change it a little bit, but its still considered to be in the "top 3" for desktop OSs. You don't say that Windows, OS X and Ubuntu are the top 3, you would most likely say that Windows, OS X and Linux are the top 3.
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Hm, I see a lot of complaints about sound not working in this or that (say Skype or Flash) on forums. I've had hardware mixing for most of my Linux life, even with my onboard sound, so I'm not sure how tricky it gets when you *have* to rely on dmix or a sound server like Pulse. I do recall fiddling with dmix slaves (successfully, but I would rather not repeat it). I sometimes run JACK for some audio production apps and I suppose it's best with a hardware channel unto itself.
Because writing implementations for the most important open source projects is necessary to get it "out there", it's a cost whoever wants to make yet another audio system takes. For the people creating applications it's another cost with no benefit.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_SteadyState
What I read somewhere was that flash video is much more complex than simply showing a video, because it needs to be able to composite vector animation on top of the video.
This was from a post from a adobe engineer working on flash AFAIR.
I don't understand enough about this in order to say otherwise, but compiz sure seems to be able to compose HD video on my desktop without any problems.
Good job anonymous coward! Ok, here goes:
But can it go a single day without getting a virus yet?
Yes. I have never had one. What were you doing to get yourself infected?
Yes. I hear this one all the time... 2 weeks later they're having to admit that they just got infected
Can we see the source code?
I don't know about you but some people have.
Have you??? Not without signing a NDA. Can you modify that windows source code and compile from your modifications? No?
Can we get something that doesn't have to be so totally locked down at work (to avoid said viruses) that everything we try to do takes 3 times as long and we cannot even access our gmail accounts?
It sounds like a problem between you and your company. Maybe you have a performance issue and they don't want you accessing your gmail account?
Good try, but no. They are just so afraid of viruses that EVERYTHING is locked down except intranet and about 10 internet sites. (But again, good try.)
In other words, Windows is still garbage.
Your words. Not my experience. One troll response deserves another.
No.. windows is just garbage, anonymous troll. Get used to it: that is why Microsoft has to bully everyone around into doing things the way they want it. Windows sucks and Microsoft knows it.
Again, good try.
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There's a solution for that. I know it because I had to fix that on both my laptop and my media center.
Unfortunately I can't tell you the solution because I deleted the link after re-installing Ubuntu 10.04 (after a botched 10.10 instal due to bad nvidia drivers) two weeks ago, and noticing that the problem was magically gone.
The solution was something about creating a config file for either pulse or alsa but I can't find it now (I still have it done on my media center). Maybe this will help you search for it.
Sorry that I can't be of more help, but now at least you know there's a solution :-)
IME the distros still break it for at least a few days several times a year.
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That is brilliant. I'm replying to it so that I have a copy of it somewhere on my account.
"a new filesystem notification interface called fanotify"
This code was merged, but the interface to use it has been removed, as there were some concerns. So it cannot be used right now.
s/do\([^n]\)/does\1/g
Hey, would someone please call an ambulance? I think miknix just had a seizure.
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But can it play fullscreen flash video smoothly yet?
Decently enough, yes. But this is hardly a kernel problem.
I am not devoid of humor.
Fragmentation, or spreading? Many different people from many different distros are working on (patches for) many different pieces of software, much of which will in one way or another actually find its way back in said software's main repository.
Ie. the good ideas and improvements come from all sides, meaning software gets more attention from different perspectives. That can't be bad.
I am not devoid of humor.
"Microsoft announces Windows SteadyState will no longer be available after December 31, 2010. Microsoft will continue to let users to download the software through December 31, 2010. Support for Windows SteadyState will continue to be available through the Microsoft Knowledge Base portal through June 30, 2011."
From the article you linked, it looks like it's part of MS's network software, not Windows. AND they're killing it in two months.
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"living wage?" That probably means $10-$15 an hour. Fine if you're looking for college students, I guess, but it's a pretty significant pay cut for the kind of talent they probably want.
Do you even lift?
These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.
Why do you assume it was a low wage? There were some investors that were pretty interested in the project. When I was considering it, there was something in the ballpark of $75K on the table. But I wasn't willing to quit my job to do this, and neither was anyone else, and the investors moved on. I'd name the investors and everyone who was in the project, but this is the wrong place to do that, and I've said too much already.
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That indeed is a KDE (or any other UI) thing which happens if you want it.
I prefer a reboot to leave me with no applications running, but their "state" to be recoverable if I want it.
"What I read somewhere was that flash video is much more complex than simply showing a video, because it needs to be able to composite vector animation on top of the video."
That's not difficult; you just render to a surface, and overlay another surface. Mplayer does that with subtitles, for instance.