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Upgrading From Windows 1.0 To Windows 7
An anonymous reader writes "YouTube user Andrew Tait has uploaded a video titled Chain of Fools: Upgrading through every version of Windows. Tait starts with MS DOS 5.0 running Windows 1.0 and keeps upgrading the operating system until he reaches Windows 7, taking note of the changes to system settings and application compatibility along the way."
Whenever I hear "too much time on his hands" I think it's really someone saying "I'm jealous because my life is grey and dull without an imagination".
It would also be fun to difference the resulting file hierarchy with various clean installs. It would go to show how little effort goes into cleaning the mess that usually gets left behind by upgrades.
Kudos to Microsoft. And even greater kudos to VMWare.
The CB App. What's your 20?
Haha, how appropriate!
this has to be the most pathetic thing anyone has ever done... ever...
this is probably the most hardcore thing to waste the time of your life...
now excuse me need to catch up with some new makeup tutorials on youtube..
I have, and I totally agree. Also, he fails in terms of "evaluating software compatibility"... many more applications from early versions of windows run in Windows 7 than he made note of, and he didn't even aknoledge that early control panels, designed for EGA usage, look beautiful in True Color because of the way they were programmed. Also, what's with starting with DOS 5.0 - Couldn't he have found a version released in 1.01? And not finding a 98 upgrade disk, or going to ME instead of 2K seemed moderately flawed...
...this strikes me as someone who has too much time on his hands.
Or too many Windows licenses.
Not terribly interested in watching a video of OS upgrades (I get quite enough of that on my own) so a text write-up of the results would be dandy. Since the submitter didn't bother, perhaps it's time for an industrious reader to do a proper "review."
should of also installed the video driver for higher res / more colors in 3.0 / 3.11 / 95 / 98.
...that Andy really needs to get a life!
Surely a masochist for putting his system through so many reboots!
Take Nobody's Word For It.
I found the fact that he actually *could* upgrade all the way to Win7 and have applications still work utterly amazing. What other OSes can do that? Maybe linux (or maybe not...), definitely not OSX.
I'm wondering what kind of warped and twisted imagination it would take to come up with THAT as a way of wasting a few days.
+1 Styx
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HAHAHA! Wow, it doesn't take much these days to induce laughter. At least I WTFV
It is semi interesting though. I did watch it (hey I was bored). It worked. Could I say do the same with MAC OS1 to 10.6? Or say slackware 1.0 to 13.0? Maybe....
My thoughts exactly...but as soon as I'm untethered (Optus GSM...you suck!) and on some real bandwidth, I'm watching the video :) I too have far too much spare time!
Interesting choice of username he selects for Windows 3.1
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I'm tired of corporate propaganda!
7:35 - check out user name! Twatface. How can the guy be talking all serious with a label like that?
OK I have to ask. In this day and age, of what use is QNX running on a 486?
And your comment is relevant to the topic because?
Without having seen the video I wonder what type of hardware is able to run all these versions of MS OS?
"The likes of Facebook and WhatsApp are free to those whose privacy is of zero value."
Should HAVE, dumbfuck, HAVE.
FWIW, we have something like 13 computers in our house, and not one of them runs MS software! My wife has a couple of Apple Mac Pro laptops, a Sony Vaio running Scientific Linux, and a netbook running Ubuntu. I have an 8 core workstation running SL6, a laptop running Ubuntu 9.04 and 10.10, an older workstation running Gentoo, an ever older 486 workstation running QNX 4.0, and two Nexus One Android phones. Then there is assorted other stuff (Palm Pilots, iPods, iPhones, etc). I guess you could call our house "Windowless"! :-)
Well... aren't you special..
disappointment with Windows 7 leads to incremental downgrades back to Windows 1.0
um that's not true. you can run any of the PowerPC apps on a brand new intel powered machine right now.
with rosetta and classic mode of leopard it isn't hard. not sure about 68k compatability but that is slightly more difficult.
of course given the fact that Apple has switched Processors arch. not just once, but 3 times in that same time makes it a lot more difficult.
i thought once I was found, but it was only a dream.
...to install every existing version of an obsolete operating system? Can anyone send him a current Linux CD please?
This is the most common operating system in the world, and a big selling point is the ability to upgrade. Not all that worthless.
And it's fun.
FreeBSD or Solaris would probably have the longest binary compatibility, and easiest upgrade path from the first to most recent version.
The World is Yours.
Where is Windows ME?
Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
The process of doing a continuous migration from Win1 to Win7 is, in my opinion, either crazy, futile, or both! But I give him credit for doing it! :-)
Sometimes, real fast is almost as good as real-time.
PTSD...
...there is ONE program that I have to use that ONLY runs on Windows, so I run it on an XP virtual machine ... 13 computers in our house, and not one of them runs MS software!
Umm, what? XP isn't MS software?
Wait... wouldn't he just need a license for the first one? Upgrades cost less than a full license, right?
-searches-
Looks like an upgrade to Win7 home is $120 while the full license is $200. I wonder how much it'd cost to buy Win 1.0 then upgrade to 7 as quickly as possible? I don't wonder too much though, because I'm not willing to look it up.
As George Carlin said, if I could lick myself there, I'd never leave the house.
-Apps/games installed on DOS 5 still work in Windows 7 unmodified after all the OS upgrade iterations.
-Various Windows setting survived 20 years or so in the same way.
To be fair, this is one of Windows strengths. It's not perfect but lets give credit where credit's due.
throw new NoSignatureException();
Of course not. Just like most games today don't use DirectX and 'nix has okay to piss poor emulation of it.
Om, nomnomnom...
...this strikes me as someone who has too much time on his hands.
Oh, great, then I have the right job for him.
Classic apps won't run on recent versions of OS X, i.e. Snow Leopard or Lion.
I'm not really criticizing Apple for not maintaining compatibility, but your statement that a brand-new Intel Mac will run any PPC app is false.
Actually, that was Bill Hicks, during his famous "suck your own cock" routine ;)
They are both fucking awesome, so the confusion is understandable :)
WTF am I doing replying to an AC at 5 A.M on a Friday night?
A guy shows how the upgrade procedure goes from DOS -> Windows 7, and instead of making comments on the robustness of the Windows upgrade system or anything even remotely related to the video, instead there are comments about how the poster doesn't use Windows anymore and brags about it.
Jeez, is there any wonder the Linux community is seen as toxic by outsiders?
I wish I could mod this up.
... the modern version.
Have gnu, will travel.
That sounds exhausting. I just install Windows XP on everything and forget about it.
I don't respond to AC's.
When I got divorced, my ex asked me to build her a computer. I obliged, and as a parting shot, told her I installed the latest-greatest operating system from Microsoft... hope you enjoyed ME, dear.
Apple System 1 to MacOS 10.6 would require an absolute minimum of 3 machines, because the early versions only supported Motorola 68000 machines, MacOS 8.5 onwards required PowerPC, and 10.6 required x86 (10.7 requires x86-64). That part of the test is slightly contrived - it's more credit (or possibly blame) to Intel than to Microsoft: a modern PC still boots in 16-bit real mode and can still run PC DOS 1.0. You certainly wouldn't think about installing Windows 7 on an IBM PC XT. Each version of Windows has required a more modern computer than the last, so this is only possibly by starting with a modern PC and then installing an ancient OS. Or possibly moving a hard drive between machines.
The more impressive part is the ability to run legacy software. This is something that Microsoft is traditionally very good at. Interestingly, I find it much easier to run legacy Windows and DOS software on my Mac than old Mac software. MacOS Classic stuff doesn't work with Rosetta. You can run an old version of MacOS in BasiliskII or SheepShaver if you can find the ROMs, but these programs also run elsewhere and require emulating an entire system. DOSBox and WINE both run pretty well on OS X - I've played a lot of games from GOG.com under WINE recently.
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I think there was an implied "on" in his sentince
Momento Mori
IBM OS/360 programs (circa 1964) are still binary compatible with the latest Z-OS. That's compatibility from OS/360 through MVT, MVS, OS/390 and now z-OS.
Sometimes the light at the end of the tunnel is the headlight of an oncoming train.
I thought of ME, however he could not use it since there is no upgrade path from ME to anything, it is a dead end.
EA David Gardner -"... but the consumers have proven that actually what they want is fun."
If the point is to end up at Windows 7, I would think after DOS, he would move onto *OS/2*, then NT 3.5, 4.0, 2K, XP, etc. OS/2 was intended to be the successor to DOS, whereas Windows 1.0 through 3.11 was just a shell that sat on top of DOS.
Bill Clinton: Pimp we can believe in. - The Shirt!!!
It's documented in the urban dictionary, which makes it valid English, since English is not a dead language. Of course, that probably invalidates the urban dictionary definition, which leads to a confusing bit of circular logic.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=should%20of
"Who is the Journal of Quantum Physics going to believe?" --Stephen Hawking
mucking around with drivers in pre win ME had a pretty high mortality rate for the install, i don't blame him for leaving that out.
Snowden and Manning are heroes.
Ok! Now try it on a Mac: Take the latest Macbook Pro and install Mac OS 1 through OS 10.6.6.
I'll wait!
I started doing the same thing with Linux, every kernel version. It was a very long, boring video.
Thats doesn't seem accurate, sure DOS games were compatible but what about the myriad of Windows apps that perform OS level confirmations/checks/pre-quals before installing? That rules out (I would think) many medium to larger software titles. For example if you had a Windows 95 application I couldn't see him installing it on Windows 7 directly, he would have to have done it on Windows 98 and let it persist through upgrades. That to me isn't exactly backwards compatible.
Is this when I mention what version of emacs I am still running, without so much as a recompile?
/opt/xemacs/bin/xemacs /opt/xemacs/bin/xemacs -> xemacs-19.14 /opt/xemacs/bin/xemacs-19.14 /opt/xemacs/bin/xemacs-19.14
[~] machine:user# uname -a
SunOS machine 5.10 Generic_127127-11 sun4u sparc SUNW,Sun-Fire-V240 Solaris
[~] machine:user# date
Thu Mar 3 18:50:46 EST 2011
[~] machine:user# ls -l
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root other 12 Jul 22 2010
[~] machine:user# ls -l
-rwxr-xr-x 1 bin bin 10107552 Sep 1 1996
[~] machine:user#
Do daemons dream of electric sleep()?
I'm not trying to troll here, but it occurs to me that with two processor transitions (Motorolla 680x0 to PowerPC, and PowerPC to Intel), and various versions dropping support for older hardware for other reasons (i.e. the original version of the Mac OS X requiring a G3, and I'm pretty sure one of the releases of the classic OS had a problem with older version of the on-board ROMs), you couldn't do this with the Mac OS.
Cats and dogs don't have hands. Well, some do. I've got some in my laboratory that do, but that's a different story.
rewriting history since 2109
It's documented in the urban dictionary, which makes it valid English, since English is not a dead language.
Given that at least half of Urban Dictionary consists of made-up drivel written by scatological twelve-year-olds trying to out-gross each other, there's no way in *hell* I'm accepting everything I see there as legitimate English, living or not! >:-(
if they lick themselves, why don't they lick each other? Is oral sex what really separates the animals from the humans?
rewriting history since 2109
I managed 95 -> 98 -> ME -> XP -> Vista -> 7 without any serious problems.
Posting anonymously so I don't lose my Linux cred...
It was done in a VMWare setup, so the hardware wasn't really much of a factor. I think it would have been more interesting had it actually been done in a physical box, but it is what it is.
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
Christ, I can't believe anybody would marry you.
I am totally amazed that this was actually possible and that the system didn't break at some point. Every single time I've tried to upgrade from one Ubuntu version to the next, the system becomes unusable.
Sometimes I think Microsoft deserves more credit than nerds want to give them!
2 times. 3 architectures = 2 switches.
The best kind... What's the deal? You have something against warped and twisted?
For justice, we must go to Don Corleone
Windows 7 does snap windows to the sides to take up half the screen. It's probably the most used feature of Windows 7 for me :-) With multiple monitors you need to use WinKey+Cursor key.
This.
And once he is at +5, we'll raise you to +5 just to get the point across.
Id like to say i am pretty much like you having multiple machine / OS in a household makes you understand the benefits and uniqueness of all of them. Not being tied down to ( Linux Vs MS Vs OSX ) is refreshing .
Congrats on your setup.
If you can maintain that many system running and know the commands/procedure to keep them running that is what it's all about .
I take it only recently dawned on Andrew that maybe 640K wasn't enough for everybody?
#DeleteChrome
Sorry, dumbfuck is not a word.
It's also disingenious as it uses virtualisation. That's like saying my Win7 machine can run any x86 OS just because I can install VMware Workstation on it.
Classic was only supported on PowerPC, and I think they dropped Classic support entirely in Snow Leopard.
They should have gone from 98SE -> ME -> XP not 98SE -> win2k --> XP
"Living language" does not mean that everything that comes out of someone's mouth is correct. It's still possible to be wrong.
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That's pretty amazing.
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Yeah, do it with versions of Unix. Bwa-hah-hah.
and i bet you pride yourself on not owning a television and you remind everyone one at every opportunity
+1 grammar correction; -1 belligerence
And what are you doing wasting your time on Slashdot?
At least he is doing something, what are you doing besides complaining about what someone else is doing with their time?
Hell, why am i even replying to you?
They could be on holiday, maybe they wanted to see if Windows could really be upgraded from the very first version to the latest. /.
Who knows, maybe this will inspire someone with an idea of their own.
But no, no, "they have too much time on their hands".
I expect some of this crap from Digg or Reddit, but not on
Get. Out.
Mod -1 troll, please.
And there the progression stopped. A lot of things just stopped working. So I recovered from a ghost of ME, tried again, same thing.
I never did get that particular upgrade to work. Dual-booted for awhile, eventually weaned off ME.
Methinks this is why he chose Win98 -> Win 2K -> XP. Avoids a lot of heartache.
My God, do you remember when we were actually looking forward to ME? Shudder.
Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
No kidding. My boss walked in right when the video shows this guy picking the user name "twatface".
Anybody want a peanut?
Re: the user directory path. I agree that it took far too long to settle on a simple path. That said, I think the location of that directory is actually fairly irrelevant for the day-to-day activities of most Windows users. Certainly was for me, when I still used it. My relatives put their stuff on the desktop and in Documents without giving a damn where those locations "really" were in the filesystem. And I used to put stuff -- apps and data -- wherever the hell I wanted, mostly on different single-purpose HDDs or partitions; basically everywhere EXCEPT the user folder wherever it was. I know it took me a while to reorient myself to basically consider ~ as the root directory for my day-to-day activities. Of course, that was when running as a non-privileged user in Windows was basically crazy talk.
Re: scripting. How many ways of "fucking around" with batch/scripting are there in *NIX? Various shells with incompatible syntax, perl, python, tcl are all widely used; the list goes on and that's a good thing. Hell, even the popular editors (though not so much the standard editor) are basically their own programming environments. Compared to all of this, Windows is basically static.
Switch back to Slashdot's D1 system.
I watched this. I threw-up into my mouth, a little.
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
Your link calls it a misspelling. Misspellings aren't correct grammar.
moox. for a new generation.
He does not install Windows 7.
Truth, Just Us, And Hatred For All Mankind!
I have 2 dogs. One (male, neutered) eats out the other's pussy (female, obviously) on a regular basis. He also licks his own cock and balls. Sometimes even his own asshole.
Do you even lift?
These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.
Win7 64 professional full (not upgrade) is available at retail for $99 as an "oem version" from a variety of retailers, incl newegg and amazon. Despite some worry warts claiming otherwise, you can transfer the oem licence to a new computer when you retire the old one (done it, working just fine).
moox. for a new generation.
What's in the (Win) box?
PAIN!
This Space Intentionally Left Blank
The upgrade costs less, but not enough that upgrading through all those versions would be cheaper than just a Windows 7 license. IIRC, the 7 upgrade disc only works with Vista.
Well, when the computer boots, it's Scientific Linux 6. When I have to run that one program, I start XP in a virtual machine. The computer itself isn't running Windows, only the VIRTUAL machine is. So sue me! :-)
Sometimes, real fast is almost as good as real-time.
ugh. I keep stumbling on all these short cuts that I should have learned a while ago, thanks that one is quite nice
I'm curious if there is any one machine that could run all current versions of windows. If there was one, I suspect it would some sort of Pentium Pro or Pentium 3... or Pentium M, since it is a 32 bit processor (win7 has been installed on a P3), and is old enough (1995) to possibly still have an ISA slot on the motherboard. Although it looks like a couple of nitch manufacturers still include ISA slots on them. Interesting...
moox. for a new generation.
Then a friend of theirs named Bill O. comes out and yells at you for making a non-political story.. political.
I still have some useful old software on there after some 20 years using QNX at work. One of these days I will port it to Linux, but time being the main thing I don't have enough of...
Sometimes, real fast is almost as good as real-time.
disappointment with Windows 7 leads to incremental downgrades back to Windows 1.0
I often wondered how many of the windows upgrades were undo-able. I seem to recall having seen that option in various other windows upgrade versions over the years; how many of them would work? Personally I'd be surprised if he even succeeded in downgrading all the way back to XP or 2k (assuming he didn't change his partition tables along the way)...
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
...this strikes me as someone who has too much time on his hands.
... so I thought I'd go on Slashdot and post my opinion on that.
"I like to lick butts!" by MobileTatsu-NJG (#32700246) (Score:5, Informative)
Pretty sure you can upgrade from ME to XP.
Using Windows 2000 was, IMHO, inappropriate. He was examining the "consumer" line of Windows, and 2000 wasn't part of that lineup. He should have used ME instead of 2000, then upgraded to XP.
A similar progression from Windows NT 3.1 to 7 would also be interesting to watch as an encore.
umm A stupid way of saying "should have".. Urban dictionary points out that retards who don't know better use it that way. I could tell everyone that Surt eats dog shit for dinner but that doesn't make it food.
Do you even lift?
These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.
Should HAVE, dumbfuck, HAVE.
Dumb fuck, dumb fuck, DUMB FUCK.
"I like to lick butts!" by MobileTatsu-NJG (#32700246) (Score:5, Informative)
If you want to be fair, you should start with a 5-10MB disk, which is what was available around the time of Windows 1.0/DOS 5.
It would have been physically impossible to keep upgrading a machine this way in reality, as you'd have run into hardware driver issues when upgrading motherboards and hard drives to get the capacity needed for the newer releases of Windows. An interesting experiment to see if the software itself could deal with the upgrades, but hardly noteworthy. I'm more impressed with software like OS/2 that didn't need to be upgraded to serve it's purpose.
I do not fail; I succeed at finding out what does not work.
You should get that checked out; people your age can't be too careful, after all. My grandfather was doing the same thing occasionally, and it turned out that he had severe acid reflux.
Not legally, you can't. In fact, MS has clarified the license so that an OEM license is only good for a single computer (that is, it isn't a transferable license) built for resale. Hobbyists aren't allowed to use it on hardware they build to keep for themselves. How much you care about Microsoft's terms is, of course, entirely up to you.
It's irrelevant to everyone. It should be referenced with the environment variable %USERPROFILE% (or a suitable API call), because it *could* be anywhere.
Self abuse comes to mind. Why'd anyone subject themselves to this? 3.1, and copying a file to a floppy demands you go make coffee.
What the !@#$ was that bolt-on network stack called again? Thank $DEITY for Linus.
"Tongue tied and twisted, just an Earth bound misfit
you should of spent the mod points elsewhere
Should HAVE, dumbfuck, HAVE.
Should've. He just doesn't get apostrophies.
"Tongue tied and twisted, just an Earth bound misfit
It's true! Wedding photo attached. :-)
Best "String" Ever!
experiment with winKey plus up and down as well (to maximise and minimise).
Also, assigning keyboard short-cuts to program short-cuts on the start menu is very handy (bring up properties and enter shortcut key). e.g. ctrl+alt+w for word, ctrl+alt+s for windows 7's snipping tool (another awesome feature of windows 7 I use all the time), etc.
I doubt Linux. My understanding is that the jump from 0.x to 1.0 and from 1.x to 2.0.0 broke binary compatibility, as well as marking a major change.
Yep, I can correlate this. My parents owned a pair of muff-dyke shih-tzu's. There may be something that really separates the animals from the humans, but its certainly neither homosexuality nor oral sex.
Unisys's MCP operating system, the oldest OS still in production, has binary compatibility back to 1961. That is damn impressive.
I'm a Linux guy (since '93), and I liked ME. It seemed far more predictable than other versions I used. It's also the last version I bothered with.
"Tongue tied and twisted, just an Earth bound misfit
Mission accomplished :)
For justice, we must go to Don Corleone
IIRC, an ISA slot isn't required for any Windows version. I've run Windows 1.0 on an ISA-less machine before. At least in theory, any modern PC with a floppy drive should be able to run all Windows from 1.0 to 7.
That is like saying windows is not maintaining compatibility because I can't run Windows Mobile programs or Windows Server for Itanium programs on my x86 machine. It isn't compatibility, it is an architecture issue.
Get a web developer
Wow. I would have modded this up.
Are you sure it wasn't Dan Hicks and the Hot Licks?
He explains why he skipped ME, but doesn't mention 98SE
Maybe. But if he were doing the same on real hardware with Windows he would still have to go through several hardware upgrades...
I agree that it is pretty cool that the executables from Windows 2 will still run on Windows 7. I am pretty sure that the ones he were running were from windows 2 because Windows 1 apps won't run without modifying the header, but they still can run (see: http://toastytech.com/guis/misc.html)
No, he's not! WTF are you talking about?!?
It's mental masturbation. Why would anyone want to stir the entrails of Microsoft Windows 3.1 in 2011?!?
Sheesh.
"Tongue tied and twisted, just an Earth bound misfit
It's not quite irrelevant to everyone because there are a lot of crappy scripts (especially written by people who run *nix) that assume that your paths don't have spaces in them.
But it is almost entirely irrelevant.
Good point, but you could of phrased it more politely. Try and be nicer next time. ;-)
Dear Slashdot: next time you want to mess with the site, add a rich-text editor for comments.
Yes, he should instead be posting comments to internet forums.
I'm going to guess you've spent more time in internet forums this week than he spent running his test. To show for his time spent, he's got something half a million people apparently wanted to see.
How'd you do?
Trumpet Winsock?
"Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly."
I have my own corollary: "Those who understand Unix are condemned to invent it, well." (Read that in a somewhat insulting way and you get the idea.)
As someone who uses both Windows and Linux a lot, there's a lot to like and a lot to hate about both systems. I think Windows, especially recent versions, gets a bad rap amongst CS folks. And I think that there are a lot of things about Unix that I describe as persisting because the people who work on it refuse to acknowledge it's no longer 1975. (This is being deliberately antagonistic, and it overstates my feeling, but it does get the essence.)
For example, I've been involved in a few discussions over the years here about what a file system should look like for instance, and saying things like that I think Transactional NTFS is awesome and I wish *nixs would support it -- and I've gotten almost nearly unanimous dissent amongst Unix oldbeards. That's something MS has done right, and it's a huge pity that you can't write cross-platform software that uses a transactional file system.
This isn't to say Windows is perfect: it isn't, not by any stretch of the imagination. It's got implementation issues (buffer overflows), configuration issues (largely borne out of a desire for backwards compatibility), and what I feel it's biggest problem going forward is, which is an API that... is not very clean in many respects. (E.g. Unix's fork/exec method of process "creation" is way cleaner than CreateProcess because the latter has to take into account lots of stuff (changing the environment, remapping file descriptors, etc.) that you would do between fork and exec on Unix.)
Look into allsnap, it's an awesome program that does just that.
Why would you need an ISA slot, DOS runs just fine on machines with PCI. The only thing required is support for INT13h which anything with an IDE/ATA interface supports. For DOS 1.x you'd need a FDD controller but those were available on a southbridge emulated ISA bus up until a few years ago. Though you could technically start with DOS 7.1 with FAT32 using w3xstart to load win 1.x and do the whole thing without even needing to touch the partition until you got to Win 7 with the need for a partition larger than 2GB and NTFS.
There are 4 boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order. Starting now.
But, the new iOS won't support my 2 year old iPod...
In the beginning, there was null.
One (male, neutered)... also licks his own cock and balls
Amazing.
ME MTBF 30minutes? Predictable isn't always good.
The US government have made it clear that we have no inalienable rights; any we do not defend vigorously will be taken.
I like how they skip from 98 to 2000 to Xp. Where's the love, guys?
The video really highlights how "virgin" Windows installations are actually pretty solid. The real-world problems are typically third-party drivers and software.
Yup. Thanks.
"Tongue tied and twisted, just an Earth bound misfit
Actually, what's interesting is that many of us were using Trumpet Winsock back in the day and the dude who developed it never got compensated for it:
http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/fwciq/peter_tattam_created_trumpet_winsock_enabling/
Funniest comment ever.
"Tongue tied and twisted, just an Earth bound misfit
But they really should get rid of the "C:\" convention for disks. Sure, you can do some remapping, but it's homage to the floppy-disk days of MS-DOS.
Cutler's previous OS, VMS, got it right, and better than Unix (dare I say it here!). A drive had a physical name that was based on its hardware:
DJA1:
But that was normally hidden and mapped to a Logical name, which could refer to any node in a directory tree, including a cluster of disks, or just a directory:
SYS$SYSTEM: (which might point to DJA1:[SYSTEM]
SLASHFILES: (which might point to DJA2:[CMDRTACO.SLASH]
Applications could then use the logical name, and if drives were added or subtracted, nobody worried about things breaking, so long as the logicals were correctly mapped.
You are full of shit.
Go to a dog park and you will see all sorts of dogs licking each other. It is very common. Not all licking may be sexual though. There seems to be a sniff it and taste it exploration going on. However, soon after that sniffing and tasting comes the humping.
I'm curious if there is any one machine that could run all current versions of windows. If there was one, I suspect it would some sort of Pentium Pro or Pentium 3... or Pentium M, since it is a 32 bit processor (win7 has been installed on a P3), and is old enough (1995) to possibly still have an ISA slot on the motherboard. Although it looks like a couple of nitch manufacturers still include ISA slots on them. Interesting...
Actually, I have a P4 board with an ISA slot. Interesting stuff you find laying around your garage...
Funny I hear Tommy Shaw and an excellent guitar solo, but maybe that's just me ;-)
As for TFA it strikes me funny (again maybe its just me) that he stuck with the consumer OSes until he stuck in Win2K Pro and then suddenly went back to the consumer OSes. Maybe he just blocked out the horror that was WinME? I know there are plenty of us that would like to forget it, although trying to keep Vista running on my machine gave me some serious WinME flashbacks.
ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
Yea but FWIW lack of binary compatibility is only a show-stopper for software that doesn't provide the source along with the binaries, and this guy didn't even bother tackling audio, network, or accelerated graphics... showing that a DOS install of Doom 2 still runs on Windows 7 with no audio or network testing whatsoever isn't exactly what I'd call a herculean feat of reverse compatibility.
Oh come on, I had Linux uptimes on that box of, ...
Oh, wait. Yeah, it did mostly ignore Windows and just run Linux, full disclosure. But I did like ME at the time. Maybe it was just Dell's bluedisk background image that I'm pining for.
alias bd='/usr/bin/feh --bg-center /home/keeling/grf/bluedisc_1600.bmp'
Aaaahh! :-)
"Tongue tied and twisted, just an Earth bound misfit
Hey, you forgot about ME!
Interesting that he just goes to 2000 as the upgrade to 98 as opposed to ME and then XP.
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But they really should get rid of the "C:\" convention for disks. Sure, you can do some remapping, but it's homage to the floppy-disk days of MS-DOS.
Cutler's previous OS, VMS, got it right, and better than Unix (dare I say it here!). A drive had a physical name that was based on its hardware:
DJA1:
But that was normally hidden and mapped to a Logical name, which could refer to any node in a directory tree, including a cluster of disks, or just a directory:
SYS$SYSTEM: (which might point to DJA1:[SYSTEM]
SLASHFILES: (which might point to DJA2:[CMDRTACO.SLASH]
Applications could then use the logical name, and if drives were added or subtracted, nobody worried about things breaking, so long as the logicals were correctly mapped.
Haven't touched a Windows box in almost a decade, then?
You might want to look into drive mappings in, say, XP... where you can mount anything other than the system drive in any directory you wish. You might even have been able to do that in Win2k.
Just because the root of the system is called "C:\" instead of "/" you wanna get all huffy? Whatever. There's a reason most small businesses are using Microsoft software, and it might just be that the Linux zealots are all MS-bashing nutjobs who refuse to pay attention to reality if it doesn't conform to their ideals... quite similar to the Microsoft zealots, mind you, just in the other direction.
I prefer to keep an open mind, and try to be aware of the things that different systems are good at doing... as opposed to hanging my heart from one particular nail.
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Upgrade from a 386 with Win3.1, to Win95 on 486DX, then Win98 a Pentium, Win2000 on Pentium II, etc. Try migrating your settings from one hard drive to another larger one at each step. Perform a few service pack upgrades along the way like a normal user would. Hint: Migrating your systems through multiple hardware & service pack upgrades is a pain in the ass and flaky as hell.
Just try to take an older windows version and copy the files and settings onto AN ALREADY INSTALLED OS that your hardware vendor gave you -- OS pre-installation will be the death of me.
You save time if you wipe the new system, copy the old files from one PC to the other, then use the OEM CD (IF YOU CAN) to "upgrade" the OS back to the newer version... I've had to buy an additional copy of windows (having paid for the one that's pre-installed) just to get a CD that would allow me to upgrade. That's the price you pay for being a loyal Microsoft customer...
Copying the old windows files over to the new larger drive won't copy the master boot record, and even if you do manage to reimage your new system to match the old system Windows will call you a THEIF (user of a pirated copy of windows), and prevent you from upgrading until you to re-validate since the massive hardware change. Good luck booting & revalidating, the old OS drivers don't work on the new system they've been copied over to... "Upgrades" are subject to having a "valid" installation of windows already on the machine.
To note: Another option worked sometimes -- Actually full on install the old OS into the freshly wiped new system. Then, copy all the files / settings, etc (or use migration tool if it exists & your old OS boots on the new machine...) Finally, "updrade" the new machine back to it's original OS version... Got a new machine?! Great! Stop right there, you can't use it till it has thrice installed windows!
Also: I dare you try using a 386 to run Vista.
So what if MS can be upgraded through "EVERY VERSION*" ON THE SAME VIRTUAL HARDWARE without monthly and/or service pack updates? This is a solution in search of a use-case that doesn't exist.
* Well, except ME -- Guess that it isn't possible to upgrade through "every version" then is it?
Old hardware won't run MS's new OSs, and the old OSs don't work on the new hardware (outside of a damn controlled environment VM -- Win3.1 on a x64 quad core? Don't make me laugh -- it won't even support my mouse). Of course using these old OSs for testing & supporting software for legacy systems is a useful ability, but come on...
Actually having lived & worked through the hell that is the upgrade path through multiple windows upgrades w/ data & software migration and different hardware, and then watching how easy it is in a VM is just maddening (Oooh, it COULD have been that easy!? Well, damn, then why wasn't it?! -- rhetorical question [no need for pedantic answers] )
Reality has been quite a bit more frustrating... Lesson learned: NEVER, I repeat NEVER use Windows (outside of a VM), and ALWAYS place your user files on a different drive and/or partition than the operating system -- It makes migration a hell of a lot easier.
Man, Slashdot's community has gone to shit. The majority of the good posters left for Reddit, leaving behind assholes like you.
I wish he was, but, sadly, he's correct.
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/is-it-ok-to-use-oem-windows-on-your-own-pc-dont-ask-microsoft/1561
http://www.microsoft.com/oem/en/licensing/sblicensing/pages/localized_licenses.aspx
A "system builder" is defined as someone who builds a machine, configures it, tests it, and sells it to a third party. Technically, homebuilds have to buy the full license, according to Microsoft's own licensing agreement.
Not a point I think they'd ever enforce, of course, but it's part of their legalese.
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Good grief I couldn't imagine watching that many installs/upgrades of Microsoft products at one sitting unless it was sped up considerably.
BTW: How many reboots were required (total) along the way?
CUR ALLOC 20195.....5804M
I wouldn't bet my life on it, but I'm pretty sure I upgraded directly from Windows XP (x86) to Windows 7 (x64) on my desktop workstation. Also, given how Microsoft basically treated Windows 7 as a "do-over" given the poor uptake rates of Vista, I'd be surprised if they limited upgrade potential like that.
Sean Daugherty "I have walked in Eternity -- and Eternity weeps."
Mental masturbation is still doing something.
Why would anyone do this? What possible use is there for his findings?
Sam has one liberty, which he sacrifices for one security. Can you tell me what Sam has now?
They should compare the very first blue-screen-of-death to the latest blue-screen-of-death.
Table-ized A.I.
What, he's white too?
Good point. Also I just don't think that reverse compatibility is not necessary something that should always be celebrated. Although I hate Apple, I admire their courageous move with OSX when they broke compatibility to make something new. Furthermore, some people appear to be harsh on Linux because they broke binary compt. between the kernel vesions 1.X to 2.X, but that was a good move like OSX. Besides, it wouldn't be fair to compare the kernel versions with Win 1 thru 7, because that'd be like comparing MSDOS to WinX; we should compare, eg, Debian 1.0 to 6.0.
Some were yelling one thing, some another. Most of them had no idea what was going on or why they were there. Acts19:32
Well I guess if you like paying for your software and are in need of compatibility, Windows gets a mod up...
Gives Mac vs PC fanboys something to argue over. Windows definitely beats Macs in that regard. Try to upgrade the original Macintosh to OSX Lion. Hehehehehe.
keyboard != mouth
This is a spelling mistake, not a grammar error. (Grammar = syntax = rules for putting together rule-following utterances in your language, of which this is certainly one example. He just spelled it wrong. Spelling is a learned skill; language itself, by which I primarily mean the spoken form, is something we are innately wired to acquire.)
Whenever I hear "too much time on his hands" I think it's really someone saying "I'm jealous because my life is grey and dull without an imagination".
Funny, when I hear it, I change the station. I can't stand Styx.
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
Cleanliness is next to oh-godliness.
I feel fantastic, and I'm still alive.
I wish I could mod this up.
I feel fantastic, and I'm still alive.
Agreed, I might be more impressed if a copy of Word 5.0 or something worked through all those upgrades from Win 3.1 onward. Anyone know if it does?
Thereby creating work for Slashdot's "duplicate comment detection" coders (the period was italicized). So: they should of stripped the tags before comparing the comments.
I feel fantastic, and I'm still alive.
"Living language" does not mean that everything that comes out of someone's mouth is correct. It's still possible to be wrong.
Exactly. Fucking "proof is in the pudding" meme.
I feel fantastic, and I'm still alive.
Wow, another KDE4 feature borrowed by Windows...
-- $G
There's no way to upgrade to XP 64bit, or Vista 64bit, or 7 64bit, at any point, so you're stuck with 32bit forever (wasting a considerable amount of hardware capability). Windows 8 is said to be amd64 ONLY, so we'll see how this continues in a couple of years :-)
BTW: WHAT settings were preserved from 1.0 to 7.0? None that I see.
And the groups for monkey island and Doom were recreated at some point too.
Disingenuous, dumb fuck, disingenuous!
What is really telling about this is that our microprocessors and motherboard are sufficiently backwards compatible. It tells you how x86 has stunted progress. Itanium was supposed to be a break out. So was powerPC. Yet they dies on the consumer vine (even though they live on in the server and embedded world).
Whenever I hear "too much time on his hands" I think it's really someone saying "I'm jealous because my life is grey and dull without an imagination".
What is really "imaginative" here is even daring to think you could get DOS to run on an old machine without an RS232/RS488 port. Either sheer arrogance, stupidity, or cleverness.
Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
While I do appreciate the sentiment, this is slashdot - you certainly have way too much time on your hands.
It's a compound word.
Funny how I always thought 2000 rocked and the rest sucked. Guess the consumer isn't deserving of a solid os.
Typed on my aging MacBook...
Ocean is land, covered with water.
In the video, we saw reversi from Windows 3.1 (and windows 2?) - circa 1992 or so - running on Windows 7. It was launched just like any other app. Perhaps there was virtualization involved, I'm not sure - it would have been transparently integrated if so. What is the OSX equivalent?
I was enraged looking at every single install screen from 95 onward remembering how many reinstalls and other bugs I had to fix for people. Fortunately around XP's introduction I jumped ship for good, otherwise I'm sure I would be equally disgusted by Vista and Windows 7. The 95 and 98 logos made me feel particularly dreadful. Surprisingly, 3.11 didn't evoke so much anger, maybe because it was virtually useless and DesqView did multitasking better; I usually tossed it to make room for my BBS.
What I find particularly amusing is that, from a technical standpoint, GeOS on a c64 was more of an OS than early Windows. You could do more in GeOS in 1985 than you could with Windows from 1.0 to 2.0 (or arguably 3.0). Tandy's Deskmate was even more useful than Windows, and there were practically no third party apps for it. Early DOS-based versions of Microsoft Works were more useful than Windows for actual productivity, and it even included a terminal program (forced to use XModem though, yuck). We haven't even began entering Amiga and Atari ST territory.
I used 2000 when it came out, as a consumer OS. It absolutely worked just like a consumer OS. They eventually candied it up into XP to call it 'consumer', but to me XP was already old news. I ran 2000 until support was dropped, and then I very reluctantly changed to XP. 2000 was the best Windows created, until 7.
this.
Someone flopped a steamer in the gene pool.
This is why I tick the "build my system for me". I choose the parts, they assemble the system and sell it to me. It's all good in terms of the agreement.
Granted, I often take much the system apart to redo the cabling etc., depending on the place I order from, but it is in every way a custom build.
You can install a full copy from the upgrade disk.
What state was linux in when Win3.1 was out?
Where was Windows ME?
Also, he should have put Microsoft Bob on and we would finally know if it worked with Windows 7.
Technically it might be commendable but is it actually sensible?
That backwards compatibility isn't free: it takes effort- effort that could have been spent making other parts of Windows better. It also takes up disk and memory and cpu. And it makes Windows itself more complicated (you have to support both the latest shiney and the old crud from the past).
Is it really necessary? Who cares that Windows 7 can run Doom? Apart from the willy-waving that you could if you wanted to, who actually will do it more than once?
So yes, admirable from a technical point of view but it strikes me that there was a serious lack of common sense in deciding to do it.
Bad analogies are like waxing a monkey with a rainbow.
As opposed to what? Throwing up into your ass, a little?
yeah, but with the Mac, you also get almost another decade of (usable) history. MacOS started off as a fully functional and usable system in 1984, whereas most people didn't consider Windows usable until about windows 3.1.
Sometimes boldness is in fashion. Sometimes only the brave will be bold.
I always assumed that WinME was for those too stupid to make the obviously correct choice when upgrading from Win98. Personally I was already running Linux (Red Hat at the time IIRC) and decided that I wanted a Windows install for gaming. Since Win98 and WinME didn't support more than one CPU and crashed if you looked at them the wrong way Win2k was what I ended up with. I was thoroughly mocked by my gamer friends who told me Win2k was "slow" and "bloated", yet they were the ones who would have their games (or rather, Windows) crash all the time if they didn't remember to shut down their IRC clients before playing...
In my eyes Win2k was a consumer OS, just not the "buy this crap that we're force-feeding you" type of consumer OS.
Greylisting is to SMTP as NAT is to IPv4
He comments it in the video: "as there is no upgrade possible from Windows ME [...]". ME was a dead end.
you should of spent the mod points elsewhere
Windows 3.0 applications will generally run fine under 32-bit Windows 7 - they're using the NTVDM, which is a form of virtualisation (albeit one which has been around since 1992). Then again, it depends on what you determie virtualisation to be... Windows 3.0 was capable of running multiple DOS sessions via the virtual 8086 mode found in 386s and up, which again is a form of virtualisation.
If you really want some fun, check out Toastytech - they've got the Windows 1 applets which will still run on Windows 7 (32-bit):
http://toastytech.com/guis/misc.html
Classic mode in Snow Leopard won't run anything from OS 9 and earlier; it's OS X PPC programs only.
And 10.7 Lion is removing that too, ending PowerPC compatibility altogether.
ISA slots lingered into the early 2000s, as they were still useful for things like proper SoundBlaster cards (the ones which worked under DOS without having to load any drivers in AUTOEXEC.BAT or CONFIG.SYS. There is still ISA enumeration going on even in 64-bit Windows, for things like the system timer and maths co-processor; you can see them by going into Device Manager and chooseing "view resources by type".
A modern PC, even a brand-new i7, will happily run all versions of Windows providing you have the correct media to run it from. Versions prior to NT will simply use BIOS (or BIOS emulation if on an EFI system) to access the hardware - and yes, you will get "Drive C is using compatibility mode paging" type warnings in Win 9x. It probably wouldn't be a good idea to turn on 32-bit file or disk access in Windows 3.1/3.11 either.
Quite impressive, really, considering that this August will see the 30th anniversary of the original IBM PC.
At my repair shop, I had a trick I'd use to install XP on computers without a working CDROM drive.... I'd ghost an ME install from another harddrive, install NIC drivers via USB flash, then run the XP install CD from a network share. I would always do a clean install... but only after learning the hard way that upgrading windows is a bad idea.
You can upgrade from ME to XP, but don't expect it to be glitch free.
"Prediction: within 10 years, Windows will be a Linux distribution." Me, 7-6-2016
Windows ME was actually pretty good.
People just remember it as bad because the computers it came preinstalled on were dookie.
Remember those tiny little Gateway desktops? The grey&beige ones that had a tiny little 130w PSU with its "please clog me with dust" slots.. and a hot as shit celeron 800 with an insufficient heatsink... one tiny, prone-to-failure fan in the entire computer... a 40GB maxtor drive that could double as a space heater.... and about 3 cubic inches of free space inside when fully assembled...? Yeah. I remember those.
"Prediction: within 10 years, Windows will be a Linux distribution." Me, 7-6-2016
Here's the link to Word 5.5 (Y2K fixed 5.0) http://download.microsoft.com/download/word97win/Wd55_be/97/WIN98/EN-US/Wd55_ben.exe if you want to test. It's the text version.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism
I've still got one of those Gateways (Essential 800, FlexATX case) which came with ME and ran happily with it (never even needed reinstallation!) for about 9 years, before I upgraded the memory and put XP* on it because some more modern software demanded it. To be sure, it does refuse to boot sometimes when the fan grille clogs with dust, but that's easily fixed. Gateway's build quality used to be pretty good in the old cow-print days...
ME was fine as long as it was a clean install - it seems that most of the problems were from upgrades from 9x.
*to reclaim some geek cred - it now dual boots XP & Peppermint (Linux), and in any case is only used by my younger daughter now...
Windows is like the faint smell of piss in a subway: it's there, and there's nothing you can do about it.
Someone says VMS had a better naming scheme for disks than either Linux or MS, and you start bashing him as a Linux zealot?
Why? Did you even read the text you quoted?
you should of spent the mod points elsewhere
Should HAVE, dumbfuck, HAVE.
I wonders anyone really did this sort of upgrade in real life? and still have the old applications and settings on M$ 7. Or the video just showing its possible no one care to do it coz lots of people do change there hardware during these long period of time. :)
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He left out ME but included Vista - BIAS!
Here's one to make you spew all the way. http://rcpmag.com/articles/2007/07/01/minding-your-microsoft-manners.aspx
Help stamp out iliturcy.
True, but in case you need that, there are some Classic emulator: Sheepshaver, Basilisk, vMac, and Executor.
Circumcision is child abuse.
It used to be relevant to me since occasionally I'd have to navigate to my profile directory (e.g. for games that store data in there). Typing in %USERPROFILE%, percentage signs and all, isn't very convenient either. I agree that it's important for non-interactive uses, though.
Switch back to Slashdot's D1 system.
A screenshot tool is an "awesome feature of Windows 7"? Aero Snap is nice, though.
Switch back to Slashdot's D1 system.
Who does that, though? I've been aware of that feature at least since XP, but it would be distinctly weird to me to mount another partition in a sub-path of C:\. And yes, if there was a "true" root directory, that might be different. But on a desktop machine, the drive-letters carry a very strong association of representing one physical partition. Mounting a network directory as a drive-letter always felt odd to me, too.
Switch back to Slashdot's D1 system.
No, throwing up into someone else's mouth, a little.
I dont think I would do this for a large sum of money, let alone for free.
This upgrade orgy is a total waste of time. As it is to write this post. I guess it was fun doing it. However, it serves no purpose. In real setups the hard-drives changed the computer changed and the real problem was data migration. And it was always a mess. And it is still a mess. So my conclusion is: TheRasteri has too much time. And my advice get a girl/boy/whatever-friend. Hey its Friday.
Why did he stop at windows 7? Where is the upgrade to Ubuntu?
All these years, all this time, I was wondering: what is Windows good for? Now I know. It can keep a folder intact, version to version, version to version.
Too bad it can't keep the pink background all the way through.
You can't handle the truth.
... if you imagine the narrator is Roy from "The IT Crowd"
um yes they do. I am doing right now on snow leopard.
You need rosetta and the classic emulator from leopard or tiger(not part of standard install but on the install disk).
it works okay. not great but functional.
i thought once I was found, but it was only a dream.
With Unix you effectively have that logical drive name - the mount point. You have the physical name (such as /dev/disk/c0t0d07) and the logical name (/usr/local, for example).
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Oh I forgot to mention I use it to install diablo II(1999) , as I keep losing the OS X installer.
i thought once I was found, but it was only a dream.
Think about it. Who would have access to all the operating systems and also spare the time to do such a thing.
It is pure PR to show that all those stories about Microsoft versions being incompatible are wrong... except that it doesn't show that at all.
It is the application file formats which are incompatible.
More importantly: what system tools default to that? Unless you go out of your way, you are still going to see drive letters.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
Yup, in that case you are not the system builder and as long as you don't swap out the motherboard after receiving the computer you're all set. The problem is that a lot of shops sell the Windows OEM pack along with, say, a hard drive or in some cases even just a network cable, claiming that qualifies as a piece of system-builder hardware. Sadly, it does not.
The builder must:
1. Assemble the computer.
2. Install the operating system.
3. Test the configuration and ship a known-working system.
4. Sell that system to a third party (this is the bit that makes self-builds a technical violation of the license).
5. Provide all technical and aftermarket support.
I'm not saying, by the way, that the license is right, or that there is something morally wrong with building a machine yourself based on an OEM disc from Microsoft. I just researched the license terms the way they actually are. I don't think Microsoft would EVER think about coming after a hobbyist who is building their own machine, that would be fundamentally stupid on their part.
Microsoft has, in the past, put out marketing blurbs that are directly in conflict with their license terms. That would probably invalidate the terms of the license if Microsoft ever decided to do something as dumbheaded as suing a hobbyist who built their own machine and actually paid Redmond for a license, and the case would almost certainly get thrown out of any court in the land, and it would get enough coverage to set the nerdosphere alight. It might even actually inspire the "year of the Linux desktop", and that's the last thing on this planet Microsoft really, honestly wants.
But if you read the license terms as written, which contain a lot of legalese but not terribly complicated legalese, it's a license violation to build a machine using an OEM disc for your own personal use. Again, I'd say it's safe to do so (I have an OEM XP install as a VM on one of my boxes), but it's technically not legit.
"This post contains words, known to the State of California to cause thought. Wash brain thoroughly after reading."
You should of not posted anonymous, could have gotten some good mod points.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
Well I did have copies of windows 1, 2, and 3 and they were installed but found to be useless as all the applications I used were just plain old DOS based. Windows was installed only due to MAC-Envy I suppose. Windows 3.11 was finally found to be useful, along with WordPerfect for Windows. All of these were running on a 386sx computer BTW (except for windows 1 which was actually tried on an XT computer).
I had upgraded to a 486 machine when windows 95 came along. I later built a Pentium III computer which ran SE2, and we purchased a refurb HP computer from computer geeks with an Athlon cpu that ran ME. My wife's computer, along with the kids are now HP, Compaq, or Dells all with XP home. The Athlon II machine I now have dual boots between Linux with a 64 bit kernel, or Win7 32 bit. So I've skipped a few versions. I did not find ME as bad as many reported. It was no better, but no worse than SE2, and probably did have better driver support. Both SE2 and ME blue screened much more than XP (which almost never does).
That sounds like alot of work when it's so easy to set up a PXE install, http://unattended.sourceforge.net/
Cheap storage VM.
That said, properly written software for Mac OS 1.0 could run perfectly through every version of Mac OS, up to and including under Classic emulation on PowerPC running up to Mac OS X 10.5 --- here's the source code for a Missile Command clone which demonstrates that:
http://mrob.com/pub/source/missile.html
Anyone know if there's a Pascal compiler for Mac OS X which would let it work yet?
Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.
You can fairly easily get around that though (I imagine) by selling the system to your significant other or friend for $1 and have them let you use it?
Every time I start to have faith in humanity, I ruin it by driving to work between 7 and 8 am.
He just doesn't get apostrophies.
The word is "apostrophes". It is the plural of "apostrophe", not "apostrophy". (Although, kudos for not making my head explode by spelling it "apostrophe's").
IANAL, but that might work. I don't know the legal definition of "third party" as used in their licensing agreements, and whether selling it to a common-property partner would honestly be a "third party". Maybe someone who IS a lawyer could chime in on that.
I doubt it's worth that trouble, though, since I can't imagine Microsoft would ever be stupid enough to enforce against an action that has appeared in their own marketing materials. But it might be worth typing up a bill of sale and making it legit all the same. At least you can show you've made a good faith effort, whereas Microsoft (who has printed language saying "building a machine for yourself makes you a builder and qualified to use OEM" on their marketing materials for years) has clearly contradicted themselves.
Of course, it really doesn't matter. They'd approach you under the DCMA, not a sane law, and they'd sue you for some amount that was just above the threshold for small claims court so you'd feel you needed a lawyer, but just below what it would cost to hire a lawyer to defend yourself, with a threat that it'd turn into a multi-hundred-thousand-dollar suit if you didn't send them their check for a few thousand to settle it.
Faced with bankruptcy or losing a few thousand, you'd do what most people do when faced with a piracy lawsuit, justified or no. You'd pay up.
But, again, Microsoft would be very unlikely to be stupid enough to risk the bad will from their paying customers, even if a few of those customers got a slight discount they weren't technically entitled to. At least they paid SOMETHING for the right to run Windows, right?
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Actually it wasn't the hardware that was the problem. After dealing with one crashing WinME machine after another when I came across a customer that had a PERFECTLY running WinME machine I decided to investigate, and there I found the answer. The reason why WinME sucked for so many. Ready for the revelation?
His machine had NO VXD drivers, only WDM. Checking the other machines (including my own, which after watching a brand new WinME install crash in less than 20 minutes of just sitting I went Win2K) I found that damned near ALL WinMe machines had a mix of VXD and WDM drivers, and there lay badness.
If you had ALL VXD? Fine and dandy. ALL WDM? Good to go. A mix of the two? Welcome to crashy town. Sadly for WinME owners any hardware that had been manufactured pre release already had Win98 VXD drivers written, and since MSFT in their infinite stupidity said you could use VXD drivers the OEMs simply wrote new WDM drivers for new hardware while keeping the VXD for the old, which was usually sound and modem.
So there you have it, the answer to the mystery of why Win98 was more stable than WinME. if you were one of the few that got WDM drivers congrats, you were few and far between. Most of us got a mix and could set our watches by how fast WinME bit the dust.
ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
and all your base are belong to us.
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Infact X: is a symbolic link that points to something like \Device\HardDiskVolumeN or \Device\CdromX , etc under the object manager's global namespace.
Its probably there for backwards compat anyway. I'd wager 99% of the apps would stop working if that symbolic link wasn't present.. heh.
Forget the names, I want the versioning file system. Of course, combine that with bloated Word docs and users pressing save every thirty seconds and you might have a problem.
And, um, how well can you check the free space on the drives? Last time I checked, it was interesting.
Thank-you!!! This makes Windows at least tolerable now!
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* AllSnap
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I have one such machine at home right now (and it's in service), a Dell Optiplex GX200 (beige). It supports up to 1GB of RDRAM, giving you the low end RAM requirement for Win7 and mine currently has a P3-933 in it, a tad short for Win7, but workable. Throw a halfway decent ATI based PCI video card in it and hard drive and you have a machine that SHOULD be capable of running everything from DOS to Win7. I've installed FreeDOS on this thing in the past and it worked just fine, so I'm only making the assumption that MS DOS 5.x would be capable of running on it based on that.
Fifty watts per channel, baby cakes.
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fucking around with batch/scripting: command.com, cmd.exe, VBScript, Windows Scripting Language, and Windows PowerShell ?
Wait, wait, wait. Are you going to argue that it's been better on *NIX? Ignoring the scripting part and going straight for the shells, we have in common use, sh, bash, csh, ksh, zsh. I'd say that keeping shell count to three over twenty years was quite a feat.
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If you're using PowerShell, try this:
get-wmiobject win32_logicaldisk | format-table -auto
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...so I installed Linux.
Nice! Thanks for the link.
I don't think they've done it yet, but FreeBSD is supposedly planning to get rid of a.out support, which would end that ;-)
On the upside though, Gateway more or less uses the standard form factors, with perhaps some ductwork in an attempt to get away with only one fan installed. That's a bit better than the Dells of the time, which were highly non-standard and were a pain in the ass to work on (as home machines go - the business machines were still highly non-standard but a lot easier to work on). Overall, once you replace the barely adequate power supply, those machines weren't too bad.
You're still not going to be able to upgrade your way from the earliest version of the Mac OS to the latest OS X on the same machine. At the very least, you'll need at least 3 machines, and likely many more, as there probably aren't many Macs that can run more than about 4 major revisions of the OS.
Win2k was actually used sometimes on OEM consumer computers after the horror that was ME, but before the horror that was XP.
and he lives in California
OK, but Carlin did borrow it. I definitely heard him say it right after his "God's will" routine on a cable special.
I just checked, You are right. I watched that Hicks routine again, his actual words where: ""If guys were all flexible enough to blow themselves all you ladies here tonight would be here by yourselves... watching an empty stage."
Carlin said: "If I could do that, I'd never leave the house!" In his Cats and Dogs routine (Talking about his dog licking his own cock).
I'm sure Stanhope said something about this too, but it was probably a lot more graphical and it somehow included midgets ;)
WTF am I doing replying to an AC at 5 A.M on a Friday night?
Good point, I didn't realize XP allows an ME upgrade. However looking back 2000 was still the better option before XP came out..
Oddly enough XP is sort of a fusion of 2000 and the NEW features in ME like system restore and many of the UI ideas introduced in ME.
EA David Gardner -"... but the consumers have proven that actually what they want is fun."
No compat in the next version though, so it's yet another advantage tossed.
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