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IT Crises vs. Vacation: Sometimes It Isn't Pretty

CWmike writes "It's true that IT systems have become essential to business operations, but the successful functioning of the IT department shouldn't rest on any one person's shoulders. All told, vacations serve as mini tests to prove if a department can function when key players are away. That's the theory, anyway. In reality, IT departments sometimes flunk. The results can either be comical or turn out to be a serious wake-up call to organizations that need a better Plan B. To prime your mental pump before your own vacation, Computerworld compiled anecdotes about good vacations gone bad."

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  1. There can be only one... by alphatel · · Score: 0

    It's essential to have some help from the outside during your IT admin vacation

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    1. Re:There can be only one... by couchslug · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The flip side to being "one deep" is you are more valuable. I would lean towards hoarding knowledge and being on-call. I don't WANT my employer to be comfortable functioning without me.

      Be good at giving verbal instructions and at typing them on the fly for emailing.

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    2. Re:There can be only one... by Flyerman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You are weak to rely on your own knowledge to keep yourself employed. Be good at managing others in IT and you'll be far more indispensable.

      You can, and will be replaced, and are foolish to think otherwise.

    3. Re:There can be only one... by Sir_Sri · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I off and on contracted for a place where this was hugely important.

      What they'd do is come up with some bullshit reason they were giving a bunch of people 2 or 3 extra weeks of vacation but it must be taken within a short time frame (that quarter or the next two quarters), usually times to align with the summer already planned vacations, and sometimes not entirely bullshit.

      Either way, if you were gone for about 3 weeks, and no one really needed you for that time off, your job was going to be axed shortly. Maternity leave? No problem, your job will definitely be here when you get back because we'll try not to fill it at all, and if we don't need it, you're gone as soon as we're legally allowed when you get back.

      It's slimy, but it's business.

      Fault tolerance is a serious problem. If you only have two people who know a system, both of whom work in the same area, and both get the same infectious disease for a week you have a problem. On the other hand, having 3 or 4 people with redundant skills is a waste of money. I can see the appeal of cloudsourcing to a 3rd party in that regard.

      On a personal basis, if you don't have something you, and only you can do until the day you retire you're taking serious risk. That doesn't have to be technical of course, you can be the only one who knows how to deal with the crazy redhead secretary in another department who bothers you all the time, or you could be the only one who knows how stuff in storage is laid out or whatever. It's a tricky balance between 'manpower intensive to replace' and 'crippling the company if you get hit by a bus'.

    4. Re:There can be only one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When push comes to shove, I've seen employers willing to pay for multiple people, in addition to a number of consultants, in order to be able to deal with someone who the company normally can't do without.

      It is extreme, but a lot of PHBs are penny-wise, but pound foolish, and when ego steps in (say PHB versus admin who runs the show and keeps everything going), they might hemorrhage cash trying to replace the admin, but they would do it.

    5. Re:There can be only one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The flip side to being "one deep" is you are more valuable. I would lean towards hoarding knowledge and being on-call. I don't WANT my employer to be comfortable functioning without me.

      Be good at giving verbal instructions and at typing them on the fly for emailing.

      First thing I tell people who work for me is, "If you hide things just to make yourself more valuable and get you better job security, that tells me you don't think you're good enough to keep your job on just your merits. And if YOU don't think you're good enough, neither will I."

    6. Re:There can be only one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fault tolerance is a serious problem. If you only have two people who know a system, both of whom work in the same area, and both get the same infectious disease for a week you have a problem. On the other hand, having 3 or 4 people with redundant skills is a waste of money. I can see the appeal of cloudsourcing to a 3rd party in that regard.

      Why do we need disk mirroring and RAID? One disk for any block of data should be sufficient.

      Why do we need two engines on all air planes? Running two is just a waste of money if one can keep the plane in the sky.

      Redundancy for continued operation when (!) things go wrong is not a waste of money.

    7. Re:There can be only one... by eclectus · · Score: 1

      This is probably the most wise statement that will be spoken in this thread. Learn this lesson above all else.

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    8. Re:There can be only one... by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      The flip side to being "one deep" is you are more valuable. I would lean towards hoarding knowledge and being on-call. I don't WANT my employer to be comfortable functioning without me.

      Given how the economy's gone over the past two years, I suspect a lot of us are in a "one deep" role by default.

      I don't worry about my fellow IT guys being able to do my job - I'm primarily a web developer, and most IT guys have enough knowledge of perl, apache and the like to deal with any problem in an existing system effectively. Where I get in trouble is when my manager tries to do my job - I know he's trying to be helpful, but it generally ends up creating additional problems rather than solving the existing one.

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    9. Re:There can be only one... by eedlee · · Score: 1

      It's essential to have some help from the outside during your IT admin vacation

      A well thought out idea like this is exactly what it admins avoid, unfortunately.

    10. Re:There can be only one... by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 1

      I would lean towards hoarding knowledge and being on-call.

      Are you married? Do you have kids? ...because 9 times out of 10, this is the attitude of a 20-something, not a 40-something. Once (if) you have a family, the last thing you want is your smartphone buzzing every evening and weekend...

    11. Re:There can be only one... by paiute · · Score: 1

      Why do we need two engines on all air planes? Running two is just a waste of money if one can keep the plane in the sky.

      There was a time when the transAtlantic routes were only run by four-engine planes.

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    12. Re:There can be only one... by Ironhandx · · Score: 1

      Heres a wiser one:

      IT staff tend towards this sort of thinking out of necessity many times. IT is the position held with the least regard and it is the position that is first on the chopping block at all times.

      The first place anyone will look to save money is an IT Admin they think is making too much money when they can hire a younger version straight out of college or university for 50-75% of what they're paying now.

      Of course they're wrong 95% of the time. That person isn't expendable. If there isn't some tangible reason for them to believe he isn't expendable however, he will quickly be expended.

    13. Re:There can be only one... by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1

      not to mention nobody actually KNOWS what you do ... what the hell DO you do ... this is especially a problem when you keep systems running well with almost no user calls, etc.

    14. Re:There can be only one... by zzyvits · · Score: 1

      Your employer might have difficulty firing you. They will also have difficulty promoting you.

    15. Re:There can be only one... by StuartHankins · · Score: 1

      I've found in my work history that regular reviews of what you do vs what the business feels is important can be quite eye-opening and insightful for all involved. Yes, some managers don't care to know the details but if you align your tasks with company needs you will do OK. Sometimes that means education, which can be tough in some environments but if they really understand that the things you do are necessary for smooth operation things will be fine.

    16. Re:There can be only one... by Tom · · Score: 1

      Either way, if you were gone for about 3 weeks, and no one really needed you for that time off, your job was going to be axed shortly.

      A surefire sign of MBA-idiots with no real-world life experience in long-term viability. That should do for the buzzword bingo, but the problem is real.

      If I can leave for 3 weeks and nothing breaks down, you absolutely want to keep me, because I know how to build reliable systems that don't fall over as soon as someone looks at them funny. You may not need me to keep them running, but you will need me to build the next system that is low-maintainance.

      Of course, you can probably employ 2-3 fresh out of college tech junkies for my salary. Problem is that you'll need 4 of them to build your systems instead of just me and my partner, and 6 of them to keep the crap running instead of just me and my partner. You do the math.

      I've been buying my personal computers following the same formula for more than 20 years now: Spend a big chunk of money on the almost-top-of-the-line thing today, and save on upgrades for the next two years. In the 3rd year I feel that the machine doesn't quite cut it anymore. Instead of upgrading, repeat step one.
      It's served me well and I've spent considerably less over the years than any friends who constantly buy new harddrives, more memory, better graphics cards, etc. etc. etc.

      I also noticed that companies who aren't afraid to hire top talent for appropriate salaries tend to do a lot better than those always trying to get people for the lowest possible price. Very few companies have ever done the math on what a high turnover costs them. A new employee in a tech job takes months to be up to speed, until he knows everything he needs to know about the company network, servers, procedures, etc. - add hiring costs, the additional time it costs management, HR, etc. and the figure is quite substantial.

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    17. Re:There can be only one... by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      If it is buzzing every night and weekend, you should be fired. Stuff should not be failing that often for any reason.

    18. Re:There can be only one... by Sir_Sri · · Score: 1

      Ya absolutely - if we require all aircraft have 16 engines that would, with today's engines seem absurd. In a 150 person business having 15 people all with the same skills might be a bit too much redundancy, on the other hand only 1 person is probably too few.

    19. Re:There can be only one... by Sir_Sri · · Score: 1

      A surefire sign of MBA-idiots with no real-world life experience in long-term viability. That should do for the buzzword bingo, but the problem is real.

      If I can leave for 3 weeks and nothing breaks down, you absolutely want to keep me, because I know how to build reliable systems that don't fall over as soon as someone looks at them funny.

      As much as the /. crowd might be focused on IT skills, not everyone has the luxury of being in the support end of the business. Being the only one around who can build reliable servers is a legitimate skill, and takes time (or money) to replace, but honestly not that much, and if they can hire someone in for 8 hours to build a server that doesn't need to be touched for a month, well... like i say, I can see the appeal of contracting that out to someone else. I'm sure there's more to the job than building the server though, a lot of it is being able to translate boss requirements speak into something that will actually solve problems, and that is a skill not to be under estimated.

    20. Re:There can be only one... by BrokenHalo · · Score: 2

      First thing I tell people who work for me is...

      If you are the sort of boss who feels the need to come out with a statement like that, then you are quite possibly the sort of toxic boss that inspires this sort of self-centred behaviour. Relationships are a two-way process. Many worthwhile employees tend to enter a job with all sorts of useful ideas, only to find the corners knocked off them very quickly as the realisation sets in that the (mis)management issues in the company have a long and repetitive history.

      It really does not take very long to take the shine off an employee's goodwill. You don't have to be a doormat, but it doesn't cost you anything to allow people to feel that their input has some value.

    21. Re:There can be only one... by Tom · · Score: 1

      If you only ever have to build a new server twice a year, what the heck are you doing employing someone full-time for that anyways? Yes, of course in that case you're better outsourcing that.

      But the example extends to more than just that. Too many managers look at how busy people are instead of how productive they are. That means that being efficient is a top-priority item up there in the company goals or top management vision, but actually a stupid thing to do in the levels where the actual work is being done.

      For example, I know from marketing directors who had a strange focus on how many customer appointments the sales force people had. I agreed that it's a valid metric to watch and if someone deviates from the average considerably, it may be a topic for the next meeting. But setting an actual goal number for such a metric is pure stupidity. Some sales people may have fewer appointments, but a higher close rate and thus end up with the same (or better) revenue generated. Forcing them to make more appointments may very well worsen their close rate, reduce the total numbers, and demotivate them.

      People who are efficient at their jobs in their own ways should be treasured higher than people who are merely busy. Someone who gets the job done in 6 hours and then spends two hours surfing and playing Facebook games may not be your personal vision of a good employee - but he got the job done. And contrary to the guy who gets the job done in 10 hours without complaining about the overtime - i.e. the kind of person that most low-level managers prefer, because they are so hard-working.
      Well, when the shit hits the fan and the work load goes up, the laid-back efficient guy can put in 2 additional hours of work without breaking a sweat for 33% more output. Or he can put in 4 more hours with acceptable overtime - 66% more output. For the same gain in output, the "hard-working" guy would have to stay 13.3 and 16.6 hours. You think that's going to happen? Either his health or the union will intervene if you try to push him this hard.

      Give me the efficient, laid-back guy who knows his stuff any time over an amateur who tries to compensate expertise with "hard work".

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  2. The real problem by rsilvergun · · Score: 5, Insightful

    at least in the states is, companies have figured out they can get one person to do the work of two and pocket the other guy's salary. I'm seeing this everywhere in the form of longer wait times for services. It's also really screwing the economy because it means there's 1 less job available, so higher unemployment and less money circulating. We're heading back to the 1800s, when our masters argued that idle hands were the devil's playthings, and the lower class would just spend the time drinking anyway... Kiss your vacations (and your 40 hour work week) goodbye.

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    1. Re:The real problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We're heading back to the 1800s, when our masters argued that idle hands were the devil's playthings

      You have a master? I have a boss. I think I see your problem.

    2. Re:The real problem by Ephemeriis · · Score: 4, Interesting

      at least in the states is, companies have figured out they can get one person to do the work of two and pocket the other guy's salary.

      This.

      I'm working at a small hospital. Our entire IT department is just three people - one clinical liaison, me, and our manager.

      The clinical liaison is awesome at what she does, but she can't build a server or fix a network issue or any of that. Her job is to train the nurses and explain the issues they have in terms we can understand and things like that. She isn't supposed to be technical support.

      My manager is certainly skilled... But he's stuck in meetings most of the day, or working on grant proposals, or putting together purchase orders, or whatever. He's rarely available to fix technical issues.

      Which means that all of the day-to-day support, and most of the longer-term projects, fall on my shoulders. I've been begging for another technical person for months, and it just isn't happening.

      So I'm getting stuck working longer hours... And support is still suffering. It takes me longer to get to the little things, which gives them time to grow into bigger things. And the bigger things are getting fixed as quickly as possible, which means corners get cut. There's not enough time to properly plan/implement/train on new projects, which results in more things going wrong...

      The end result is that I'm doing sloppy work, and causing more problems, which means more sloppy work... I can see what is happening, but I can't really do much about it. There's only so many hours I can work before becoming absolutely useless (As the 17-hour day I put in last week showed very clearly. I was completely useless the next day.)

      I've got vacation time coming up next week... Which I've had to cut short, due to go-live for a new product... But I've still got a few days off. And, while I'm really looking forward to the break, I'm kind of dreading what I'll face when I come back to work.

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    3. Re:The real problem by mickwd · · Score: 1

      "companies have figured out they can get one person to do the work of two and pocket the other guy's salary".

      http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2011-07-07/

    4. Re:The real problem by JoeRandomHacker · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Here's a thought: stop working longer hours; you are just reinforcing management's bad behavior. At this point you are clearly too important to sack, so no worries there. Do your excellent job at a reasonable pace, and keep a backlog of things you have to do, making it available to interested parties who wonder why things aren't getting done faster. And when new work arrives, let them know that while you would be more than happy to fix their problems right away, there is a pile of other stuff to get through first, so it will have to wait. And most of all, stop worrying about it. It may be that nobody ever wises up and get you some technical help, but at least you'll be less overworked, and maybe a bit happier.

    5. Re:The real problem by todrules · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It sounds like you are really in a downward spiral here. You need to start looking after yourself more and putting your foot down. It is commendable that you work so hard at your job, but at what cost? See about taking your original, planned vacation. Fill your boss and coworker in on the upcoming deployment, and let them handle it.

    6. Re:The real problem by SkipStein · · Score: 1

      I agree. Too many do the work of too few. I know of guys working over 100 hours a week, just to keep their jobs; they are virtual slaves and indentured servants to the 'employer' who takes advantage of this lousy economy. Yes major companies, IBM and so many others! The only way to change is for more people to become Free Agents and take care of themselves. It is very difficult, frustration and you often go hungry, but the rewards of Freedom and Self-sufficiency are worth it. If 'W2' employees continue to accept this mistreatment, it will never change. Ages ago, unions were formed to stop this form of abuse, but they themselves became abusers and owned by political machines. No hope there. We must promote more individual self sufficiency. Help folks gain control over their own lives and well being. Stop linking healthcare to jobs. Stop linking retirement to IRA's and corporate largess. People must learn to take responsibility for their own lives and those of their families. Otherwise, they will continue to be slaves to corporate machines who abuse and misuse resources, talent and people. Cheers, Skip Stein Free Agent and Proud of IT!

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    7. Re:The real problem by innerweb · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As always, the problem is management and management not knowing enough about what they are managing,

      Most management has two issues they contend with when it comes to IT. One is they can not see how IT contributes to profit, and therefore see it as nothing more than cost. Another is they do not see how IT can help enhance and manage work flow.

      For an IT person to be successful, they need to learn how their management hears things, and learn to talk to them in a way they will hear. Which means to get where you need to be and to get what you need you have to sell it by talking to them at their level. That may not be easy. Sometimes it involves golf games, sometimes fishing, whatever it takes to get to know management to understand what it is they see and hear (we all have filters). Once you learn how to communicate with them, then you have to start to educate them. Once they learn how IT truly can work, they will start to let you have projects that they would not have let you have before. Choose these projects carefully. The ones they can see and feel the success of get you *karma* points. These points become spendable for projects you need that they will not understand the benefit of. Do enough stuff they can see the benefit of, and eventually, they will see the justification of having another person.

      Should it be this way? Probably not, but it is, so we in IT have to learn to deal with it. Remember that most management is ignorant about IT. And they want to stay that way . Management typically thinks it has too much on its own plate as it is. They manage things like IT by looking elsewhere and saying, hey see what they are bragging about, why are we not like that? Kind of like all those *investment* bankers who collapsed the economy on bad loans and derivatives. Many said, "Not smart", but their bosses ignored them, saying, "Look others are doing it and profiting , we need that profit as well."

      We know that is not real management. But management does not care. If it does not bite them today, it is a good thing today.

      That is why it is our job in IT to stealth educate our management. It is our job to know these things. It is also our job to communicate those needs effectively. That is where most in IT fall down. It is very hard to communicate IT effectively. It is even harder to do so when you do not have a grasp on the whole of the company's operations. To be able to explain IT in terms the rest of the company will understand, you have to know their jobs and how IT is used to help them. So, one of the reasons IT management is so extraordinarily tough is that you have to know everything about how the company works to be able to do the job effectively. That means not just running the IT department. It means knowing in full detail how the IT department impacts the company as a whole in every nook and corner. It actually means you wind up knowing more than anyone else in the company about how the company works. IT management is the hardest job in any company.

      And that is a natural things when you think about what IT truly is in a company. It is everywhere in a company. The phone system, the desktops, the printers, the servers, the network, the data, the data sharing, the personnel, ... Companies work or don't work because of their Information flow. Information flows because of IT. IT becomes the lifeblood of the company. Wrong numbers in inventory, parts are not made. Wrong field size for an import, data lost. Wrong version of software, job might not get done. Nothing in a company is as pervasive as IT.

      We could all go back to pen and paper to track things. We could remove all the digital IT in every company. The job could and would get done (well, most would). But, as what cost? This is probably the thing that an IT person has to understand the most to manage the company (not just IT). This cost reduction from using data systems is where management will understand you. But you have to understand it first. Only then can you demonstrate why hiring another person in IT is profitable.

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    8. Re:The real problem by rcamans · · Score: 0

      40 hour work week? I'm on a zero hour work week (Thanks, Obama). How about you?

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    9. Re:The real problem by TarPitt · · Score: 1

      You can choose to stop working longer hours

      And your company can choose to eliminate your position the next time they are thinking about layoffs.

      Refusing to work insane hours gets you tagged as "not a team player". People so tagged get on the short list for reduction in force.

      In most cases, employment protections do not exist in the USA, especially if a termination can be made to look like a layoff.

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    10. Re:The real problem by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's like this. I work to enable me to enjoy the rest of my life, not for its own sake. If my life is really shitty as a result of my job, then I might be better off without it.

      This is one of those things that happens because we allow it. If IT employees were willing, across the board, to demand proper respect and consideration from their employer, then there would be no problem. Until we stop cowering in fear of losing our jobs, we're going to be screwed unless we happen to get lucky and have a nice manager.

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    11. Re:The real problem by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I used to think like you do. I believed that it is every man for themselves and that money in the bank was the only way to assure my freedom.

      But now that I have a ton of money in the bank and am effectively retired and can do as I please, I am not so sure. I am the richest person I know. Everybody else I know still puts in the 9-to-5 (or often 8 to 7 and sometimes weekends) grind.

      I don't think it is feasible to expect everyone, or even a simple majority, to achieve what I have achieved. Maybe its because, looking back, I can see that ~90% of my success is due to nothing more than being in the right place and the right time while only 10% is due to my own fortitude. Few people will ever be lucky enough to find themselves in similarly favourable circumstances.

      So while I am still strongly in favour of some the things you wrote, like a competitive market for healthcare. I am not so sure that a go it alone approach is ever going to be successful given the array of forces organised against the modern peon.

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    12. Re:The real problem by hitmark · · Score: 1

      Dilbert, being on the ball since 1980s.

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    13. Re:The real problem by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

      Unless you were a Federal employee, it's quite unlikely Obama had anything to do with your lack of employment. And even if you were, it's still not registering above zero percent chances.

    14. Re:The real problem by DaMattster · · Score: 2

      Freedom and self-sufficiency are easier said than done. There is an old adage, "It takes money to make money." In poor economic times (i.e. right now) credit can be difficult to obtain for those with good credit history. You yourself wrote, " It is very difficult, frustration and you often go hungry ....." Try telling that to your son or daughter while you are trying to make it on your own.

    15. Re:The real problem by Greyfox · · Score: 1
      I prefer to use the "everyone is going to die*" allegory when talking to management. We need to upgrade Windows or everyone is going to die. We need a new server or everyone is going to die. We need to hire another admin or everyone except me is going to die next time I go on vacation. It's surprisingly effective, and it works every time.

      * Of course technically everyone is STILL going to die, but that's one of those management blind spots you can gloss over with a vague hand wave.

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    16. Re:The real problem by SkipStein · · Score: 1

      Well, it may be wishful thinking on my part. I hope to instill this 'fortitude' and attitude in my Grandkids; or at least some of them. It is surely not for everyone, but your success and mine should act as a possible model for others. What else can we hope for but to help others achieve success and some mode of happiness. Me, I've not achieved the monetary success that some have, but some level of independence in body, mind and spirit means more IMHO. While I consider myself 'semi-retired' or inactive is just a matter of semantics. I have started a couple of new business ventures to keep me occupied. Some in the past have failed, but others succeeded. It's not over until it's over! ! Cheers, Skip Stein

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    17. Re:The real problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's why IT workers have to band together and unionize. It is simply absurd to tough it out like that, without vacations, without any form of job security, with that huge responsibility on your shoulders.

      Some of the comments suggest techniques that are to no-ones benefit. Essentially making sure that the organization cannot survive without you *and* forfeiting any vacations, a strategy that is bad for the employee and bad for the organizations. This is one of those cases where a functioning union would benefit both.

    18. Re:The real problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I dont want to sound confrontational, but what is this "across the board" you are mentioning? The USA doesn't have any IT unions. It never will until IT grows to be a "respected" field (note that this word means something beyond just "important", sort of like the word "pornography"). To grow into a respected field it first has to fully clarify the whole programmer vs. CS degree confusion for those teenagers going into it unawares. Medicine has well established concepts --and forced licensing / retraining that would certainly make good changes to the very wing-it nature of IT management and wide variety of half-assed instantiation out there.

    19. Re:The real problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The way you deal with this is majorly !@#%!@#$!@#ing up their systems while looking for new work.

      I'm serious guys, I've seen it done, and I've seen it put the big wigs out of work.

      I used to work at a Large warehouse where the IT staff worked their balls off. Management insisted backups, upgrades, and software licensing was too expensive as was labor, while they drove 80,000 BMW's to and from work. So one day someone pulled a few drives from an oracle server's SAN at one of their warehouses for a few minutes, then plugged them back in. They were down for two weeks and paid nearly 3 million in expedited shipping to their customers. CTO got replaced, and new budgets got made. New CTO Said he wanted redundant servers, tape backup (ugh) AND offsite online storage (yay).

      I worked at a retailer for a few months, they decided that doing illegal things with their labor was a great idea. The last remaining supervisor, after everyone left, began issuing loaners to everyone who came in with a service contract, and instead of fixing the laptop, he instead just switched out loaners. At the rate of 20 per week. Needless to say, 90% of the people didn't come back with their new laptop to exchange for another new laptop, and the broke ones piled up. Needless to say, this went on for a YEAR, until an accountant got wise. Store mgr, District store mgr, some top beancounters, the entire department he worked in. Fun fact: next guy did the same exact thing.

      Production network, 25 cisco switches, 7 years old never replaced or upgraded, insane config done wrong, machines are constantly having connectivity issues, level 1 tech told to fix, tech says fix is to replace, managers think 150k of routers is too much, hire consultant, consultants says the same, fires consultant, tells level 1 tech to fix, level 1 tech works 14hrs a day on that plus rest of network. He VPN's in at 0200 on a Saturday morning, starts rebooting routers, then deletes his trail. Half of them do not come back up, a third never will again. He goes back to bed. Nobody notices everything is down until Monday, and it isn't fully fixed until Thursday. Managers ask "what happened" at very official meeting, he says "well the uptimes on the ones that came back up are all within 10 seconds of each other and they are all on the same set of strips, so I'd say a power outage happened on one of the power strips."

      Consultant refuses to assist in rebuilding network. They hire a cheaper hotshot, who buys cheap 10mbit switches to replace 1000mbit switches. Level 1 Tech leaves for better job, they hire someone cheaper and as soon as the network goes live, things come screeching to a hault.

      The worst that can happen is your employer fires you and you collect unemployment for a few months. Document everything.

    20. Re:The real problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      40 hour work week? I'm on a zero hour work week (Thanks, Obama). How about you?

      40 Hour work week? I'm on a zero hour work week (Thanks, Bankers). How about you?

      See I fixed it for you.

    21. Re:The real problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if you're good with consistently working 50-70 hours, as most ppl i know have been, and having absolutely no one who can cover for you when you;re out - meaning every vacation and sick day is a chance to get reemed - then yes, you have a boss. if it makes you really happy that all that extra work has put at #6 in GDP (yay!...) but worse off then nearly all other modern countries in terms of buying power/hour worked and time to spend cash - then yes, you have a boss.

      but if you're really not kosher with those current issues, and you realize that's about like that everywhere these days; then you may recognize that you are, at least to some degree, in a position that you don't want be in, merely because you have no other choice - which makes you something of a slave.

    22. Re:The real problem by SkipStein · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Maybe I should have rephrased that with maintaining an attitude of individual freedom and Free Agency. Even though you might work for someone else and depend on that company for 'benefits', an outlook of Freedom and Fortitude will serve you well. You don't have to cow-tow to anyone. Maintain your self respect, individualism and internal positive self image. Too many accept the view of others that they are less than they truly are. Most people/individuals know more than they believe they do. Pompous bullies in 'management' who succeed on the backs of others shouldn't be allowed to do so. It is individual freedom and attitude that allows one to succeed in the workplace; even under the most dire circumstances. You have to believe you can make changes for the better, strive for excellence and succeed at being an honorable individual; true to yourself and your family. Maybe all Pollyanna-ish, but Life should be an adventure, filled with successes, learning from failures, but otherwise striving to do better for yourself and others.

      --
      Skip Stein Free Agent Management Systems Consulting, Inc. http://www.msc-inc.net www.linkedin.com/in/skipstein
    23. Re:The real problem by ghyspran · · Score: 1

      Richard Wiseman did a study that suggested that "lucky" people were really just positive-thinking people who paid more attention to their surroundings. So while you say "Few people will ever be lucky enough to find themselves in similarly favourable circumstances", it's likely more that "Few people will ever be lucky enough to find themselves in similarly favourable circumstances, and take advantage of them."

    24. Re:The real problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm on a zero-hour work week thanks to the brain blood-vessel I popped due to the stress of the shithole company I worked for.

    25. Re:The real problem by E+IS+mC(Square) · · Score: 1

      You said it.

      After I got assigned a different project requiring me to follow different shifts in supporting a critical business unit (the rational of my manager was that I was a very good programmer and it would be great for me to be part of this fire-fighting team, even though I protested to be shifted to a semi-support role), within 4 months I decided to quit - simply because the new project was not for me - I wanted to work on certain technology and I was not working on it.

      Took about 3-4 months of break before looking for a new job, traveled around a bit, brushed up on certain skills and got one or two certifications on what I wanted to focus next. Then waited for right offer to come, instead of applying everywhere.

      I could not be happier. Small company, relaxed casual working environment, your technical knowledge used everyday and appreciated everyday, and (after spending two years) got a deal to get three weeks of extra unpaid vacation (on top of regular paid vacation). I don't mind putting extra hours once in a while if required, and I am enjoying programming again.

      I work so that I can enjoy my life NOW and every day, and not just during two weeks of Christmas or summer breaks. And work is not a chore anymore.

    26. Re:The real problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amazingly enough, where I work I refuse to be treated like crap. The other IT folks don't seem to care and encourage being treated like crap. I therefore get treated differently than everyone else because of this. So complaints that it wouldn't work where you are are unfounded, it wouldn't work because of you.

    27. Re:The real problem by sensei+moreh · · Score: 1

      I can see that ~90% of my success is due to nothing more than being in the right place and the right time

      with the right background to take advantage of the situation. As the Boy Scout motto goes, "be prepared"

      --
      Geology - it's not rocket science; it's rock science
    28. Re:The real problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is not going to work, if they are about to deploy a new system they are going to need all hands. If the deployment fails in a hospital environment this can hurt people and his manager would be blamed for not having the proper support during a critical time.

      To the original poster i feel your pain, im now a month past the go-live for our implementation of Epic and i am just now returning to some normalcy, although i still can not get any time off; at least the 16 hours a day 6 days a week has stopped. If that comes around to your hospital good luck it is a nightmare.

    29. Re:The real problem by Bogtha · · Score: 1

      Why do you have a manager managing two people? Why is he stuck in meetings most of the day? Why do you have a liason to coordinate the work of a single person? It sounds like those two people could be easily fired, and the extra money spent to take on two more people with your skillset.

      --
      Bogtha Bogtha Bogtha
    30. Re:The real problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...You can thank Bush and those bankers

      But, then again, it's always someone else's fault, right?

      No wonder you're unemployed

    31. Re:The real problem by Ephemeriis · · Score: 1

      Why do you have a manager managing two people?

      I'm not sure "manager" is the right word... His official title is "director"...

      Until a couple years back, he was the sole IT person at the hospital. But he started getting pulled in multiple directions. They wanted somebody to work on various IT-related grants... And they needed somebody to work on compliance with various state and federal mandates... And somebody had to go to various meetings to determine exactly what the hospital was looking to do with it's computers...

      He's still supposed to be doing technical work, and carries the pager every other week. But the fact of the matter is that on a day-to-day basis he's got very little time for actual technical work.

      Why do you have a liason to coordinate the work of a single person?

      Well, she isn't technically 100% IT. She's also splitting hours with Medical Records and Finance. She's kind of wound up as a jack-of-all-trades.

      As for the IT portion of things - she used to be a nurse. The nurses complain about something, or report something as broken, and I frequently don't understand what they're talking about. I'm not medically trained at all. So she can take their complaints and tell me what is actually broken. She's also building electronic versions of all the assorted forms we use... And flowsheets... And she handles most of the training...

      And it also seems that she's got some extra clout because she used to be a nurse - they listen to her far better than they ever listened to anyone else in IT.

      --
      "Work is the curse of the drinking classes." -Oscar Wilde
    32. Re:The real problem by PhreakOfTime · · Score: 1

      Yes!

      You get treated the way you allow yourself to get treated.

    33. Re:The real problem by Ephemeriis · · Score: 1

      At this point you are clearly too important to sack, so no worries there.

      I don't know about that. Maybe I'm just being paranoid, or insecure, or something like that... But I suspect I could be replaced fairly easy.

      There aren't a whole lot of IT jobs up here... And we've got a decent college absolutely full of fresh IT graduates...

      Granted, they wouldn't know the place like I do. They wouldn't have the experience. They'd need a lot of training. The place would go to hell in the mean-time.

      But when has that stopped a place from canning a good employee for somebody cheaper?

      --
      "Work is the curse of the drinking classes." -Oscar Wilde
    34. Re:The real problem by JoeRandomHacker · · Score: 1

      At this point you are clearly too important to sack, so no worries there.

      I don't know about that. Maybe I'm just being paranoid, or insecure, or something like that... But I suspect I could be replaced fairly easy.

      There aren't a whole lot of IT jobs up here... And we've got a decent college absolutely full of fresh IT graduates...

      Granted, they wouldn't know the place like I do. They wouldn't have the experience. They'd need a lot of training. The place would go to hell in the mean-time.

      But when has that stopped a place from canning a good employee for somebody cheaper?

      Of course, you are in the best position to judge your circumstances. Just wanted to put some food for thought out there. You might also want to keep in mind that there are real costs to the employer for firing/hiring, and they would have to balance that (and the whole going-to-hell thing) against the possible benefits to them.

      Besides that, occasionally you will find that that there are decent human beings that just don't "get it" overseeing these things. If you are subtle and avoid the "screw you guys, I'm slacking" confrontations, someone might realize there are real issues to deal with and do the decent thing, especially if there are people around who recognize your value. Again, depends a lot on circumstances.

      Good luck...

    35. Re:The real problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It sounds like you are really in a downward spiral here. You need to start looking after yourself more and putting your foot down. It is commendable that you work so hard at your job, but at what cost? See about taking your original, planned vacation. Fill your boss and coworker in on the upcoming deployment, and let them handle it.

      For sure, he needs to demand his full vacation and work normal hours. Do not work faster just because it gets busier or they will never add help.
      I myself could care less what happens at work when I'm not there, I know I do my job well when I'm there and your home life is far more important.
      You going to work yourself to death for fear of losing a shitty job that's already killing you?

    36. Re:The real problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If my life is really shitty as a result of my job, then I might be better off without it.

      Might want to be a bit more clear about whether "it" refers to your job or your life here. Just saying.

    37. Re:The real problem by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Maybe the real problem are workers who go along with this regime. When you go on vacation, do not send out email listing three ways to be contacted. Leave the laptop at home, take a dumb-phone that doesn't support e-mail and leave the smart phone on your office desk (so that they clue in and stop calling it). Once everyone has figured out that you are responding 24/7 you have lost all control over your life. Work when you're in the office and shut them out when you walk out the door. If the problem can wait until Monday then don't fix it on Saturday.

      Of course you may be one of these thinking "but I'm indispensable, I must be contactable at all times!". In this case, look around your office. If 95% of everyone you see is in the same boat then I would argue that you're being used. If you truly are indispensable then you are in a tiny minority.

    38. Re:The real problem by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 2

      Yeah, I considered including the "and take advantage of the circumstances" part. I actually wrote and then erased "and the balls to exploit the situation" because I felt it would only muddy my point which was that no matter how big your balls, you can't get anywhere without the luck part too. After all, the world is jammed packed full of people with giant balls who are still failures.

      --
      When information is power, privacy is freedom.
    39. Re:The real problem by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      Managers asking you to work more than 40 hours a week for longer time are idiots. It is proven that an employee working 60 hours a week for six weeks doesn't do more work than an employee working 40 hours a week. The only difference is that after six years, you have a very unhappy and tired employee instead of a happy employee who is fit to work.

    40. Re:The real problem by IICV · · Score: 1

      This is something I've kinda come to realize - whether or not you are successful depends 100% on being in the right place at the right time; it's entirely out of your control. The only thing you can really affect is the magnitude of your success.

      It's like surfing, I imagine: it doesn't matter how good you are, if there are no waves all you can really do is paddle around. However, if you are a good surfer, you'll be able to make better use of the waves that do come along.

      If Bill Gates wasn't as good of a businessman, Microsoft would still have been a successful company - it just might not have been quite so large. However, if he hadn't (basically) gotten lucky in the early years, Microsoft would have never formed at all.

    41. Re:The real problem by EdIII · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Quit. Find another job, or at least start looking right now. Even if you safely move one foot to the other like a stepping stone, DO IT.

      I am speaking from experience here. Salaried and was working 20 hours a day for over a year and half. I finally did a re-fi and cashed out the equivalent of 3.5 years worth of my salary (I was not compensated well in the first place).

      First two weeks I slept 14 hours a day and woke up after having nightmares where I dreamed about cronjobs, databases, and SQL statements. I would wake up screaming with panic attacks wondering if certain processes were done.

      Quit.

      What it did was completely shot my adrenal glands. I had nearly killed them. Doctors put me on stuff for a year, and it took about that long for me to get back to normal sleeping patterns and feel better.

      It truly is not worth it, life is too fucking short. Don't waste your life on this.

      If you have children, a wife, or a girlfriend that IS suffering right now. If you have children you are performing a great sacrifice and being a good father, but you could be a better one being there. I can honestly say that I would have rather been a little more poor, eaten a little less, had less conveniences and video games if I got to see my father more.

      The reason why this continues in this environment is that WE let it. An awful lot of IT people are not lazy at all. Some are driven to bad behavior and apathy, but more are driven to keep things alive at all cost. It is our purpose. I took it that seriously. It was like the Path of the Warrior and shit like that. The SQL server WILL not fucking do down BECAUSE I WONT LET IT. I'll figure out a way to work with what I have to make things as redundant as possible.

      Quit. Quit. Quit.

      Find another job, even if it pays only 80% as much, even if it is a different type of job. Quit.

      If you continue down this path, it will be you writing this post to a possibly younger IT guy on some website in the future trying to tell him the same thing. Although, honestly, I would have ignored the advice back then and pushed on like a solider anyways... till I physically could not do it anymore.

      Good luck.

    42. Re:The real problem by kullnd · · Score: 1

      I have held critical positions in IT within a small hospital as well... Unfortunately, there are times that the "could care less what happens at work when I'm not there" doesn't work in an environment where systems have to run 24x7 and system downtime = patient safety issues... There is a huge push for 100% electronic medical records, which just makes this more true. Yes, backup systems are great, but when your system is running on backup systems on Friday evening, you don't leave your primary systems down until Monday, because if those backup systems have issues the hospital and it's patients are now in a very bad place... This also assumes that your lucky enough to HAVE backup systems. In the Navy, they said "Choose your rate, choose your fate" ... It's very true here, if you want an IT job that works 40 hours 9 to 5 then work for an office building that has those business hours... Working in hospitals is great, I love it, but I knew going into that environment that it comes some extra responsibility that is not always convenient.

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      +++ATH0 NO CARRIER
    43. Re:The real problem by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 4, Informative

      First off, it sounds like you don't value your life. Until you value your life, it will be made miserable by your colleagues. You and your boss need to figure out the scope of what is "normal" duties and everything that exceeds those duties comes at a budget cost to other departments. The trick is to get the OTHER guy to say "no".

      Them: "We need a new ______ to do _________"

      You: "That sounds Great. I'd love to do that, but I'm currently doing _______ (list) for the foreseeable future, which of those things would you like me to stop doing so that I may tackle your project? Alternatively, could you budget an extra $150K for our department so that we can hire someone to do ________ (list) while I start some of these more interesting projects?

      I don't ever say "no", I tell them what it will take and ask them if they have budget codes for overtime, and the complete project work schedule. It sounds like you don't do bill backs for things and this is where metered work and a nice Help Desk System comes into play. "Can you put in a work order ticket for me" works wonders, because, as you'll find out, that if it isn't important enough for them to do what is needed, then it isn't enough for you to do it. You let them set their priorities (in writing) and you just do what they want you to do.

      In short, let them figure out how to get you more help when it is too busy by making them choose what is important to them, all the while you're saying "sure, we can do that for you".

      --
      Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
    44. Re:The real problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should just go home after the typical workday. The work will be there for you to do tomorrow.

      It sounds like you / your manager / hospital execs don't have their priorities set if everything's an emergency job and you don't have time to breathe. The only way to combat this short of quitting is just working normal hours. People will adjust their expectations and things will reset. The world won't come to an end.

    45. Re:The real problem by Thing+1 · · Score: 1

      Future self, is that you?

      --
      I feel fantastic, and I'm still alive.
    46. Re:The real problem by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      Sounds like my work. Looking at my immediate workgroup there are about 5 direct contributors in it. The manager does no real direct work. In total there are 5 managers above us (not counting the board of directors). Those managers are all very "busy" but the reality is that all they do is attend meetings, and pass around spreadsheets. I'm not even including project managers/etc who sometimes do take on much more direct roles in the count of managers.

      And my situation is typical to better-than-typical.

      Companies just cut and cut until things start to break left and right, and then suddenly there are millions of dollars available to fix things. Whatever...

    47. Re:The real problem by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      For an IT person to be successful, they need to learn how their management hears things, and learn to talk to them in a way they will hear. Which means to get where you need to be and to get what you need you have to sell it by talking to them at their level. That may not be easy. Sometimes it involves golf games, sometimes fishing, whatever it takes to get to know management to understand what it is they see and hear (we all have filters)....

      Should it be this way? Probably not, but it is, so we in IT have to learn to deal with it.

      And this is why small businesses tend to get IT much more than large ones. If I'm the guy running IT for some 50 person company and have an idea that will make the company a load of money, I don't need to take the owner golfing and fishing to get him to listen to me. The fact that as owner he pockets every dime the company makes is all the motivation he needs.

      The reason you have to take your manager fishing or whatever is that ultimately he doesn't care much about the welfare of the company - just his own compensation. Your "companionship" is just part of the package, especially if it involves groveling.

      Managers just maintain the status quo, and cut the obligatory 10% off their budgets annually until things start falling apart, and then justify some huge project to rescue the company which makes them look good. Usually they move around often enough that nobody has to answer embarrassing questions.

    48. Re:The real problem by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      That's great, and mostly true in most instances, except for this: your elimination results in the failure (or absence) of a single point of failure.

      Sure, in some organizations, you may be able to hide the fact your key IT is gone for a while. But from what I've seen, those "single points of failure" are IT types who's failure is largely that they're trying to head off a REALLY REALLY BIG failure, and sacrificing day-in-day-out type "administration" tasks. Most organizations are going to start suffering immediately from such a failure, so your value is fairly high in simply a "able to get shit done, or show it's being worked on".

      No reasonable sane "IT Manager" is going to fire their sole source of resolution (which would make them look bad one way or another) without someone waiting in the wings. If you're paying attention (job postings, headhunters, etc.) you'll see this coming.

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    49. Re:The real problem by rcamans · · Score: 1

      Fool. The economic meltdown, primarily due to the subprime and related bs, happened not only under Obama's watch, but with federal protection. The whole situation looked so suspicious before the crash that a group of state governors went to the federal gov about it and not only got blown off, but even threatened by the feds if they pursued the issue. So the crash went down.
      Yes, I believe Obama's political appointees who did this against the State governors operated within Obama's stated policies, the gov's stated policies of entitlement to owning a home, as well as the fed's stated policies against state rule and powers.
      And the fiscal irresponsibility (oops, I mean responsibility) for the economy is Obama's, no one else's.
      Obama later appointed some of the biggest crooks to office under him. Rewarded them for their greed and immorality.

      --
      wake up and hold your nose
    50. Re:The real problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was in the same position earlier. I liked the job and was willing to sacrifice a lot which I latter learned was really stupid on my part. One thing I did was force the issue of prioritization to my manager. I setup a wiki page with a task list of all open work/projects. I listed my weekly priority queue and let him change as needed by moving things out. It really brought to his attention what the true workload was and he then became an advocate for more help. It didn't change anything but once I started to see what was really happening, I decided to look for new work. Best decision ever!

    51. Re:The real problem by CodeBuster · · Score: 1

      They manage things like IT by looking elsewhere and saying, hey see what they are bragging about, why are we not like that? Kind of like all those *investment* bankers who collapsed the economy on bad loans and derivatives. Many said, "Not smart", but their bosses ignored them, saying, "Look others are doing it and profiting , we need that profit as well."

      If that's most of what they do then why are they paid so well? I'll bet that there are many IT people who could do managements' jobs, but how many of them could do ours?

    52. Re:The real problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      better
      http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2002-12-06/
      you know - when I can remember a comic from 2002, I think I've been doing this too long..

    53. Re:The real problem by cluedweasel · · Score: 1

      " while they drove 80,000 BMW's to and from work" You either had a lot of managers or they had a lot of cars each. either way, it must have been a pretty large parking lot.

    54. Re:The real problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are being taken advantage of. Do what others suggest. Do what you can at a reasonable pace. Then grow a pair and go home when you are supposed to. If things fall apart, be honest and say you can't get it all done and need help as you can't keep working 17 hour days.

      I've been in similar situations and these days I only work outside of hours if it is convenient to me and/or there is some reward above and beyond the contracted hours. After all, the higher ups wouldn't expect a consultant to work for free, nor would they without the promise of some big rewards further down the line, so why should I? (Oh and that reminds me, if they promise you something like shares, be sceptical...)

      Once I was on holiday on the other side of the planet and getting a call saying a server was down and the dev who had said he could deal with any problems 'no sweat' (having been given a crash course on the systems for a week before hand - I had given plenty of notice and warnings that I would be largely uncontactable for a few weeks) was trying for hours to get this server backup - I took the call and listened in amazement for 10 minutes to what had happened and what he had been trying to get it back up - he had spent hours trying to fix it. I said 'fire up the (cold) backup server and restore the service as per the check list.It is there for these kinds of problems'. It would have taken 10mins as opposed to spending hours trying to fix the live service. Then he could fix the faulty server at his leisure without panicking.

      That people still operate machines without remote lights out management (as was evident from the article - driving 2hrs to press a button) astounds me...
      That people (sys admins) still horde passwords astounds me...

      I'm a one man IT department for an SME. Before I started work here, regular service outages were common, panicked phone calls were the norm. Now service is rarely interupted, most systems have redundancy and remote access, more backup than you can shake a stick at and I no longer answer the phone when I am not at work. Why? My time is my own and unless I am getting well paid for it, my time is more valuable to me than it clearly is to my boss. While they may run around flapping, they don't feel that it warrants them paying me for work above and beyond so it clearly isn't that important to them.

    55. Re:The real problem by shentino · · Score: 1

      Idle hands may be the devil's playthings, but what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

      If you have a boss sleazy enough to double dip hiring one guy to do the work of two, how much work do you think HE's really doing?

    56. Re:The real problem by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      You have discovered the truth about the American Dream (TM) and Thatcherism. The idea is that everyone can make their fortune if they work hard, but life isn't like that. Most people will spend their lives working for other people for a salary, and there is nothing wrong with that. Some of us even make quite a bit out of it, but not enough to justify voting against socialist policies in case we ever do get rich enough to benefit in their absence.

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      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    57. Re:The real problem by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      This is the problem with management. What is worse is when you have a pompous little prick as your manager like I had. Last year I had planned 9 months in advance my vacation for deer hunting in November (just over 2 weeks straight) and had made it clear that I would be unreachable. Yes this was really unreachable as it was about a 30 minute drive to where one could get cell reception. Well the day before I leave my little dink of a manager come up to me and asks if I can take a loaner laptop and cellphone so I can work remotely. After convincing him that that there isn't cell reception and that you can't plug a laptop into a tree in the deep north woods of Minnesota he made the "request" that I drive into town call him and find out if I was needed on the second Monday. This request was phrased such this wasn't optional. So over lunch I drove back into town and called him, and big surprise there was a crisis and I was needed. I drive back Tuesday work Wednesday and Thursday, and drive back on Friday. The big crisis/emergency turned out to be retesting some non critical defects to get the count down on the project. Adding insult to injury before the end of the year the pompous little prick of a manager gets up at a department meeting and is on everyone's case who hasn't managed to take their vacation telling everyone that he took all of his vacation why can't we take ours.

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      Time to offend someone
    58. Re:The real problem by ginbot462 · · Score: 1

      Luck: it could - and should - be said for every very successful person.

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      Atlas Shrugged : Thematic Story :: Battlefield Earth : Organized Religion
    59. Re:The real problem by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      There's a lot to be said for this. I started my current employment some 6 months ago, having stressed at the outset that I was going to be very outspoken and blunt about the issues that I was being parachuted in to fix. This has resulted in some tense moments in meetings involving outside consultantants where I have opened my big fat trap (with some misgivings) to raise uncomfortable issues, only to be congratulated later for my "honesty". It doesn't necessarily hurt to establish a reputation for not being pushable around if you can demonstrate that you have something worthwhile to say.

    60. Re:The real problem by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      I don't usually like doing this, but...
      +1: Informative

    61. Re:The real problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't you need to work for a company that actually has overtime codes and a help desk system?

      Some of us work for a company where the manager just lies to customers (it will be done in two months) and you just have to do it - with unpaid overtime.

      So there's never a question of "it's either this or that". It's always both - or you're too lazy to fit it in. It doesn't cost the company anything extra, so why not? There is an indirect cost - in loyalty, in morale, in efficiency, etc. But if it's not on the budget, we don't care how red your eyes are in the morning.

    62. Re:The real problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Use those few days off to look for another job, and keep looking after you get back. There are other jobs out there that don't think so little of what IT people do.

  3. and that lead to the hit by bus problem what to yo by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    and that lead to the hit by bus problem what do you do then hot shot?
    Make person work from the hospital room high on pain killers? What if they are to out of it to work?

    Hire some one real fast and hope they can get up to speed real fast on what your setup is like? and you better hope that there is some one there who knows how to hire tech people.

    Have some other person fill in the roll + work there own job and hope they can do the tech stuff? And how long can you get by with that before burn out or there own job gets backed up?

  4. Server needed rebooting .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > That was the case a few years ago when Laping took his young daughters on vacation to Disney World in Orlando, about a two-hour drive from his Tampa-area office .. Shortly after arriving at Disney, Laping got a call from the CEO and the power user saying one of the servers that provides Web services to Alumni Research's 300 clients was down .. That meant the server had to be rebooted, which required nothing more than pressing a button. The only problem was that nobody back in the office could find the right button ..

    You have got to be kidding here, if it was a Linux box all he needed to do is type `shutdown -r 0 now' on the laptop., which begs the question as to the technical skill of the people at Alumni Research, wether on holiday or off ..

    1. Re:Server needed rebooting .. by mcavic · · Score: 1

      If the server was down, chances are the command prompt wasn't working. That's a hardware problem that shouldn't happen very often, but it does.

    2. Re:Server needed rebooting .. by melikamp · · Score: 1

      Depending on what hung, it may be a bit more than 'init 6'. It is a bit strange though, that something expected to be highly available wast't powered through a remote-controlled unit. They are, like, less than $50 for an outlet.

    3. Re:Server needed rebooting .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > That was the case a few years ago when Laping took his young daughters on vacation to Disney World in Orlando, about a two-hour drive from his Tampa-area office .. Shortly after arriving at Disney, Laping got a call from the CEO and the power user saying one of the servers that provides Web services to Alumni Research's 300 clients was down .. That meant the server had to be rebooted, which required nothing more than pressing a button. The only problem was that nobody back in the office could find the right button ..

      You have got to be kidding here, if it was a Linux box all he needed to do is type `shutdown -r 0 now' on the laptop., which begs the question as to the technical skill of the people at Alumni Research, wether on holiday or off ..

      ...Laping determined that the server's network interface card (NIC) had to be powered down.

      Maybe the NIC was so f*'ed up, he couldn't connect to the server and therefore couldn't shut it down remotely.

    4. Re:Server needed rebooting .. by zaddikim · · Score: 1

      hell, 'shutdown -i brings the same dialog on a windows box, unless it's somehow made unavailable on a server through some sort of policy madness. either way, he shouldn't have needed to travel any more at all.

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    5. Re:Server needed rebooting .. by twoallbeefpatties · · Score: 1

      The CEO and the power user were mortified that they couldn't figure out which button to push, says Laping, but this particular machine was a Dell rack server with a flat design rather than the tower configuration with which the men were more familiar.

      The two kept pushing a button that was for adjusting the display, not turning the unit on and off. When nothing happened, they panicked. In the end, everyone agreed that the easiest solution would be for Laping to physically fix things himself. "I had to drive two hours back to push a power button," says Laping, recalling that he turned right around and got back on the road once the NIC was up and running again.


      All I could think of was The IT Crowd: http://youtu.be/nn2FB1P_Mn8

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    6. Re:Server needed rebooting .. by omglolbah · · Score: 1

      Or if it had been an HP server using iLO would allow him to press the power-button remotely.

      During the few times I need to power-cycle a server it beats going down to the basement server room to push a button... or in a worst case scenario going out to a damn oil rig to do it....

    7. Re:Server needed rebooting .. by Gordonjcp · · Score: 1

      If a 240-volt reset was what it needed, why couldn't the people on site just pull the power lead?

    8. Re:Server needed rebooting .. by jimicus · · Score: 1

      Or if it had been an HP server using iLO would allow him to press the power-button remotely.

      During the few times I need to power-cycle a server it beats going down to the basement server room to push a button... or in a worst case scenario going out to a damn oil rig to do it....

      Every major server vendor has something similar, and it's usually built into almost everything they sell as a server (and has been for some years). x86 stuff is usually based around IPMI; sometimes vendors supply web-based consoles but you can get by without one. Certainly you can get by enough to remotely toggle power, get the status of a few basic things like PSUs and fans and get a serial console.

      If you are in charge of even just one server and you weren't aware of it before, learn it.

    9. Re:Server needed rebooting .. by DarthBart · · Score: 1

      Better than the technical wizardry of my previous employer.

      The main authentication server fell over one morning (as it did once a week due to heat in the server closet). Engineer called and said it had fallen over. I said "Okay, just go reset it. It'll live over it". Engineer couldn't find the reset button, so he just unplugged the rack.

      In that rack was the file server, auth server, Asterisk server, and a personal server of mine. It took 4 hours to recover from that.

      Why was there a heat issue in the server closet? Because I was not allowed to put those servers in the data center because management felt they needed to be closer to the end users for performance. Nevermind the fact the office and datacenter were 60 yards apart and tied together with GigE.

    10. Re:Server needed rebooting .. by Teun · · Score: 1

      They could have used the main breaker for the building...

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    11. Re:Server needed rebooting .. by melikamp · · Score: 1

      That actually doesn't surprise me: why would anyone but the system administrator(s) have routine access to the hardware?

  5. Everything the article says is true, but ... by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... it won't make any difference, I suspect. There are (at least) three big problems here:

    • Techie-macho. A lot of IT people have the idea that if you're not working at least twelve hours a day, six days a week, you're not really working. They don't just put up with sleep deprivation, irregular eating schedules, and the total lack of a social life when it's necessary to get the job done; they actively take pride in it. Vacation isn't even on their radar.
    • Management ignorance. IT is seen as a cost sink, so there's a reluctance to hire any more than the bare bones minimum staff to get the job done (and often, not even that.) When the inevitable problems occur as a result of this practice, it's seen as proof of IT's inefficiency and an excuse to cut their budget and resources even more.
    • (Often justified) paranoia. "If the boss knows the guy in the next cubicle over can take over for me when needed, I'll be the first one out the door in the next round of layoffs." This encourages "job security through obscurity," the creation of needlessly complex and poorly documented systems that only one person in the entire company can understand. It may not actually work, but people think it does, so they keep doing it.

    And no, I don't know what the solution is. Just pointing out that it's a structural issue, and collecting anecdotes about how badly things tend to go wrong doesn't seem to be doing much to motivate anyone to try to fix the underlying problems.

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    1. Re:Everything the article says is true, but ... by alphatel · · Score: 1

      That's destructive behavior. Any outside vendor can act as the body double. They would work to preserve their own role as emergency contact while reinforcing the value of the day-to-day admin.

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    2. Re:Everything the article says is true, but ... by The+Dawn+Of+Time · · Score: 0

      Yeah, it's hard to compete with people who are better and more willing to work than you are. We should totally label that "the problem" and introduce artificial restrictions to "level the playing field" because that'll be good for... well, nobody, in the long run, but fuck that. You're entitled to be lazy!

    3. Re:Everything the article says is true, but ... by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 2

      So you think overwork, burnout, and constant employee turnover are good things? You're either a sadist who enjoys treating other people like shit, or a masochist who enjoys being treated like shit; either way, don't expect rational people to buy into your sick ideology.

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    4. Re:Everything the article says is true, but ... by swb · · Score: 1

      Management ignorance helps management cover itself -- if problems occur during a vacation, it's REAL easy to throw the IT guy under the bus in his absence. The problem MUST be due to his mistakes or choices, not due to the fact that management has staffed poorly.

    5. Re:Everything the article says is true, but ... by jimicus · · Score: 1

      IME, a lot of IT people are Doing It Horrifically Wrong - and "working silly hours" is just one indicator.

      I have met - and I'm talking in the last two years - IT people who:

      - Have never heard of remote-support products like logmein or VNC. They're still talking people through problems over the phone or visiting them at their desk.

      - Aren't familiar with/keen on the idea of scripting repetitive work.

      - Haven't even looked into the policy settings their own managed antivirus product offers. Or, for that matter, the GPO policies offered by AD.

      - Don't/Won't automate the installation of operating systems - be it through imaging or some other mechanism.

      To be fair, sometimes this is because their own management isn't giving them sufficient backup. Their management is asking for trouble, because sooner or later an outsourcing firm that does all of the above will contact upper management; that outsourcing firm will have the systems sufficiently down that they can do the work with fewer people - and hence cheaper.

    6. Re:Everything the article says is true, but ... by misexistentialist · · Score: 1

      Those people can work all they like, but they are more stupid for not demanding the money they are worth than the rest of us are lazy.

    7. Re:Everything the article says is true, but ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Read the Art of War (Clavell's edition) and understand; if you line up at a trough to be fed, you will be treated like cattle.

      Modify the way you participate in the work world around you or endure the treatment till replaced.

      Here's how it started for a lot of us: Compaq offered dirt cheap system support to Fortune 500's. Once the marauding CPQ crews ransacked the minds of the 'in house' support staff for all the developed answers. All that was heard was the refrain from that song from that Sound of Music song that went, "So long, farewell, auf wiedersehen, adieu. Adieu, adieu, to you and you and you".

      When purchased by HP, the phones were answered in countries with cheaper dirt and everyone took a straight shot to the nads. The three most commonly heard IT phrases were (and except for the last one, still are), 'I'd like to apologize', 'can I put you on hold for 3 to 5 minutes' and 'do you have the Windows installation CD?'. (Which translates into, 'I know I am incompetent', 'I need to find some one here who is less incompetent', 'You are at the end of the road here and you should rebuild it from scratch').

      Cutting to the nuts of the matter. Support is a dwindling industry. Most all of it will be incorporated into the applications and systems being run. They will actually do the job. We're a long ways from there now, but of the 20 years of dynamic change from 1979 to 1999, there wasn't a person on the planet that could see it coming. So, it could be down the road 10-20-30 years, but these support jobs will cease to exist. How much of your career are you willing to gamble on maintaining 'status quo' in an industry progressing under Moore's Law?

    8. Re:Everything the article says is true, but ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or they'd push out the onsite admin and take over.
      My company has more then once been hired in that way and stayed.

    9. Re:Everything the article says is true, but ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The solution is for people like yourself to get into management and other leadership positions and effect a change in the culture.

    10. Re:Everything the article says is true, but ... by Moryath · · Score: 1

      - Have never heard of remote-support products like logmein or VNC. They're still talking people through problems over the phone or visiting them at their desk.

      Actually, Logmein and VNC are possibly the worst things you can use. They don't authenticate well, and they're trivial to break. They rely on the user-end being set up.

      If you're on a Windows domain, set up Remote Assistance Requests instead.

      - Aren't familiar with/keen on the idea of scripting repetitive work.

      Scripting is fine. As long as the repetitive work is actually the same thing, every time.

      - Don't/Won't automate the installation of operating systems - be it through imaging or some other mechanism.

      We do what we can. The problem is, images need to be maintained. You don't just push a 6-month-old image to a machine, you have to patch it afterwards.

      And the subhuman MBA PHB's are too goddamn cheap to actually give us a single, representative unit of each of the 6 "Standardized Units" the place maintains so that we can update the images in a timely manner.

      Of course, I have a buddy who works at a different company, and their people just push the Goddamn Wrong Image to half the machines. It's STILL out of date, they just put a 2-year-old desktop image on company laptops and stick it out bare on the network because their "IT" is mostly staffed with college dropouts who don't give a fuck and are stoned half the time.

    11. Re:Everything the article says is true, but ... by jimicus · · Score: 1

      The fact that you are aware of how things should be done and how to make them better immediately puts you some way ahead of a LOT of IT people.

      You would be astonished (and I guarantee disturbed) at the number of people who get into the job because they think it's just a matter of being paid lots of money to click "Next.... Next.... Next..." all day long.

  6. Re:and that lead to the hit by bus problem what to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most companies stupid enough to follow the OP's observation are stupid enough to bet that nothing catastrophic will happen to key people in their organization.

    Basically, stupid companies will do stupid things and will suffer because of it. It's only a problem if it's systemic and I haven't noticed that yet.

  7. When I leave..... by Proudrooster · · Score: 1

    When I leave, I look my fellow co-workers in the eye and say, "If anything happens while I am on vacation. Whatever you do, don't call!" then I turn off my pager and put it on my desk and laugh manically!

    1. Re:When I leave..... by itchythebear · · Score: 5, Funny

      When I leave ... then I turn off my pager...

      So I'm guessing the last time you left was sometime in the 90's?

      *ducks*

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    2. Re:When I leave..... by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 1

      What is this "pager" you speak of?

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    3. Re:When I leave..... by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      Where I work, we still use a pager. Upper management had the grand idea of passing the pager around IT staff once a week. It wasn't technical (as an SMS message would suffice) but rather acted as a "token" to remind one of his/her on-call responsibilities for the scheduled week. So yes, some companies want to put a tangible piece of plastic in the paws of their subordinate monkeys.

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    4. Re:When I leave..... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      They're called smart-phones now. And they're more evil than first generation pagers.

    5. Re:When I leave..... by RobertLTux · · Score: 1

      think of it as a stone age text messaging device (and some of the older ones were just 1 way even)

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    6. Re:When I leave..... by Mad+Merlin · · Score: 1

      I prefer the approach of "If you call me on vacation, I'm asking for another vacation day."

      I've still been called, but I got an extra vacation day for every one.

    7. Re:When I leave..... by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      It easily ran for a month on a single AA battery, though. Credit where credit is due.

    8. Re:When I leave..... by Macgrrl · · Score: 1

      And had an unerring capability for the battery to go flat at 3:00am, and beeped repeatedly to tell you it was going flat until you replaced the battery.

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    9. Re:When I leave..... by cluedweasel · · Score: 1

      One of my favorite past-times was to text "Battery Low" messages to my co-workers.

    10. Re:When I leave..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow! That's a hard bargain you drove there you clever dickens you! You got a workday exchanged for a vacation day! And you think it's a good deal, so much so you're posting it. Holy crap do IT people need to unionize.

    11. Re:When I leave..... by ginbot462 · · Score: 1

      I prefer the approach of "If you call me on vacation, I'm asking for another vacation day."

      I've still been called, but I got an extra vacation day for every one.

      Too bad you can't spend them Mawahahahaaa! Sorry, got possessed by management for a sec, must be the tie

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    12. Re:When I leave..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was funny, until you added the *ducks*. Way to ruin the punchline.

    13. Re:When I leave..... by Mad+Merlin · · Score: 1

      You're right, 15 minutes on the phone for 8 hours less work is a total waste. What was I thinking?

  8. My wife came up with a solution by mbourgon · · Score: 2

    We started going more exotic places. Places that don't have cell signal or internet access. If they want to call a boat to the tune of $5-$10 a minute they're welcome to.

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    1. Re:My wife came up with a solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would you welcome a call from work to a boat you are vacationing on?

    2. Re:My wife came up with a solution by element-o.p. · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why would you welcome a call from work to a boat you are vacationing on?

      I've spent roughly one extra day this last week alone on the phone from home trying to fix technical problems at a couple of remote sites. If, as GPP stated, it was going to cost the company $5-$10 per minute to have me work those particular issues, that would be (($5|$10)/minute) x (60 minutes / hour) x 8 hours = $2400 - $4800, not including overtime (if GPP gets overtime; I'm salaried, so it wouldn't apply in my case), to fix the problem. That's somewhere between two weeks and one month's salary for another entry-level to somewhat-experienced IT person.

      When it starts costing the company more to call me for help when I'm out of the office than it does to hire more help to take up the slack, they'll finally get the picture, and my life will get better.

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    3. Re:My wife came up with a solution by Machtyn · · Score: 2

      The obvious point is obvious. If the company is in such desperate need if his services to spend $300 on a 30 minute phone call, then they must think it is serious enough he should be contacted. In such case, he would welcome the call (and probably be quite surprised by it.)

    4. Re:My wife came up with a solution by DaMattster · · Score: 1

      +1 - Exactly, this is why I go to a cabin in the mountains. No electricity and, by proxy, no internet, no phone, and certainly no cell service.

    5. Re:My wife came up with a solution by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      When I'm on "vacation", I don't answer the phone when caller ID says it's work...

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    6. Re:My wife came up with a solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When it starts costing the company more to call me for help when I'm out of the office than it does to hire more help to take up the slack, they'll finally get the picture, and my life will get better.

      Or, they'll replace you with someone who won't take vacations. Either way.

    7. Re:My wife came up with a solution by element-o.p. · · Score: 1

      In general, companies like that end up with one of two things: passive-agressive schmucks who simply take it until they go postal (with all that entails) or inexperienced n00bs who work like madmen until they burn out and becomes useless. In either case, if the company replaces me with someone who doesn't take vacations, then they get what they deserve.

      FWIW, this is exactly what happened to me in the late '90s. In my case, I got a better job at a better company with an immediate $1.50 an hour raise which became double my old salary within 18 months, and with better working conditions, to boot.

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    8. Re:My wife came up with a solution by MyGirlFriendsBroken · · Score: 1

      We started going more exotic places. Places that don't have cell signal or internet access. If they want to call a boat to the tune of $5-$10 a minute they're welcome to.

      I hear that option. I've decided to go to Cuba for my next vacation, I'm in the UK but the rest of my team is in the US, as is our mail server. I figure that I won't be able to connect to the mail server even if I wanted to, and thus ensure 2 weeks of complete downtime

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    9. Re:My wife came up with a solution by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      Hunting in the north woods of Minnesota does it for me. I still camp when hunting. You would need a trained tracker and a pack of dogs to find me if you didn't know where I was.

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  9. Leaving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This article is the short version for why I'm leaving IT. After eleven years in the industry, with these kinds of demands on my time and crap pay, it's just not worth it. I can make more money working in a garage than I can working in IT, with better pay, better vacation and better treatment.

    IT can shove their jobs. If nothing changes in that industry, it's going to get very difficult to find qualified people.

  10. vacation... or delayed punishment? by v1 · · Score: 2

    I know anytime I go on vacation, it causes major headaches for those that try to prevent me from being completely buried by the time I get back

    But I'm always buried when I return. Then I have at least a week of torture trying to catch back up. People say someone else is going to get trained and certified to serve as a backup for me, but it never materializes.

    I think most companies just have to experience the lesson the hard way, by a bus or a plane ticket. And even then, half of them don't learn anything from the lesson.

    They're just too short-sighted. All they see is the cost of investment today, not the return of tomorrow. I find it amazing that business majors, managers, and CEOs don't have that skill. They are blind to the benefits to all involved, and are comforted in the peace they find in keeping their heads in the sand.

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    1. Re:vacation... or delayed punishment? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      I used to work at a company that had actual sabbaticals after 5 years. That is, you could take off an entire paid month on top of your normally accrued vacation. Someone comes back after two months are they're not buried! Even this year I've had someone take off over two months for maternity leave and was not swamped upon return even though this was an important person. Companies can manage to find temporary replacements or shuffle people around without coming undone. These people return and do not discover that their jobs are now in jeopardy because the boss discovered they weren't irreplaceable, instead the job goes on as normal.

      Maybe the difference in those cases is that people had time to prepare in advance. They knew a big vacation was coming up and so did their bosses. They didn't leave in the middle of an urgent project and they weren't assigned to urgent projects.

    2. Re:vacation... or delayed punishment? by v1 · · Score: 1

      These people return and do not discover that their jobs are now in jeopardy because the boss discovered they weren't irreplaceable, instead the job goes on as normal.

      Sometimes it's just hard to tell if they are trying to shovel the rhetoric, or if they actually are buying into it and are speaking from the heart. I get into very frank discussions with my coworkers and managers regularly, and so taboo topics can come up from time to time. I remember a manager telling me "NO ONE is irreplaceable". He was a seasoned manager, I'm fairly certain he was trying to shovel the BS. My current manager also says the same thing, but I'm pretty sure he believes it. There are, from time to time, people that are irreplaceable. But that puts them in a position of power, which is definitely NOT something the company wants. And so they try to bluff the employee into not realizing the truth until it can be corrected.

      A manager that has such an employee and is buying the company rhetoric can lead to disasters: I've personally watched a single person cost a company at least hundreds of thousands of dollars when she quit, because she was irreplaceable, and basically been told she was never going to get another promotion/transfer because she was too valuable where she was. (big company, she'd transferred around quite a lot) Honestly, how stupid can you get? It took about 3 months for absolute chaos to start cooling down, and a good 9 months for things to return to somewhat normal there when she left, and someone overheard in a high level management meeting "this will NOT be allowed to happen again". At least they learned their lesson, albeit a painful one. And that wasn't a case of where an employee "engineers" their irreplaceability - she'd tried to get them to crosstrain someone but they simply refused. It was all that she could do to get several in her office trained on some basics, dig as far ahead as possible, take the week off, then come back to a mess and spend the next month catching back up. Every time she took time off. Apparently her (ex-)manager was told after the dust settled, that he was never going to leave his position, as a result of his handling of the situation. Delicious irony.

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    3. Re:vacation... or delayed punishment? by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      I know anytime I go on vacation, it causes major headaches for those that try to prevent me from being completely buried by the time I get back...But I'm always buried when I return.

      The problem I've seen is annual project planning. I'm given a list of big things I need to do by such-and-such a date. I can take off any time I want in-between now and that date, but I still have to complete the project. My being gone just tends to make whatever I'm working on stall, and thus going on vacation is self-inflicted punishment.

      On the other hand, I do prefer this to having some manager tell me I'm not allowed to go on vacation or whatever.

      Still, when everything is chronically understaffed it just takes incredible self-discipline to allow things to slide when I'm out...

    4. Re:vacation... or delayed punishment? by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      I know anytime I go on vacation, it causes major headaches for those that try to prevent me from being completely buried by the time I get back
      Well, that is nice that they try to do that for you. I suppose a true IT person probably has a large amount of "oh crap" work that definitely someone is going to have to fix while you are gone. Server builds, RFPs, scripting chores, etc will certainly be there waiting for you when you get back.
      Development really sucks. If you really are just coding, then being gone is not a hassle for the company, but it is for you because nobody else is going to do your coding while you are gone. You have to work 60 hours a week normally, if you skip a week to go on vacation, then the next week you have to work 120 just to make up for it. You will end up needing a vacation more after you take one then you did before you left.
      That's why smart companies pay you so little that you can't afford to actually go anywhere, so you will probably just sit around at home and probably log in and do your job to relieve the boredom.

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  11. Law firm fails because of single disk failure? by doperative · · Score: 1

    "On the night before Thanksgiving last year, T.J. Whelan .. phone started buzzing with texts .. The messages said there was no connectivity to the Microsoft Exchange cluster .. That meant that attorneys in the firm's two U.S. offices and two overseas offices were completely cut off from email .. The network manager contacted Dell support, which confirmed that the disks had failed but also reported that it might be a while before replacement parts could be located" ..

    This beggers belief, the IT department of a major law firm don't keep a single harddrive as backup and don't have a standby system in place for just such an eventuality as a failed harddrive ..

    1. Re:Law firm fails because of single disk failure? by paitre · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm not at all surprised by this, actually.

      In my experience, there is a significant percentage (IME, most, but others may differ) of businesses that rely on Best Buy for hardware replacements. They see additional hardware lying around as a waste, and will not keep spares handy.

      I can EASILY see this happening. EASILY.

    2. Re:Law firm fails because of single disk failure? by TarPitt · · Score: 1

      This is a law firm

      If they can't bill it to a client, they spend as little as possible on it.

      The ultimate judge of "as little as possible" is a managing partner completely clueless about IT

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    3. Re:Law firm fails because of single disk failure? by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      I completely agree with you. Doubly so for Lawyers, they are the tightest group of professionals I've ever seen. I used to work supporting a number of law offices and after a while, it was just too painful to try to get paid for the work I did.

      In the case above, this is typical of people who are trying to save a penny by not doing things right. No redundancy, no spares, no maintenance, no nothing. If I was managing this place, I would have all of that documented and who made the decisions, in writing (not in email). And when the inevitable, such as what happens, occurs, then I simply say, "this is the cost of the choices you made to save a few dollars."

      But knowing Lawyers, it won't matter, they'll fire you for their dimwitted ideas. I say good riddance, and let then next guy try to pry a dollar from them. This is why I won't ever work for another lawyer for as long as I live. It simply isn't worth it. Shakespeare was right.

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    4. Re:Law firm fails because of single disk failure? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It does happen - I have found it much easier to get a care pack for 9-5 4hr response as part of a server spec than it is to keep spares for this reason.

    5. Re:Law firm fails because of single disk failure? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Statutory minimum is 28 day now, but that includes 8 national holidays.So for most of us that works out at 4 weeks holiday a year.

      I find that most SMEs just bury their heads in the sand and hope for the best.

      I have in the past offered to arrange cover via competent tech friends that were out of work and would have happily covered me for two weeks. As well as contacting a local IT support company and getting costings for two weeks cover. Management didn't want to know say, you can do it... (err no I'm on holiday - I tried - oh well if thats the way you feel about it I will just not answer my phone).

  12. Jesus. by mikkelm · · Score: 1

    In the end, everyone agreed that the easiest solution would be for Laping to physically fix things himself. "I had to drive two hours back to push a power button," says Laping, recalling that he turned right around and got back on the road once the NIC was up and running again.

    Lesson learned: Even with smart devices, wireless services and VPN technology, not every problem can be dealt with remotely; make sure your backups know the basics -- like how to power down

    Lesson learned: Hire IT staff who have the mental capacity to download a hardware manual for the server, locate the power button on a diagram, and direct the on-site people to the correct button. That's just absurd.

    1. Re:Jesus. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Or just pull the power cable, can't be that hard.

    2. Re:Jesus. by gotpaint32 · · Score: 1

      Agreed, if this is mission critical stuff and you don't have staff living onsite there is no reason why they could not justify purchasing an IP KVM and a remote PDU for just this type of emergency. I'd imagine it would take at least thirty minutes to a few hours to have your on call person drive into the office and push a power button, whereas remote access would take what like 10 minutes?

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    3. Re:Jesus. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On a well-designed rack, it isn't easy to just "pull the plug". Of course, it isn't ridiculously difficult, but you don't want to make it too easy, either.

      Still, not worth four hours of driving!

    4. Re:Jesus. by Nogami_Saeko · · Score: 2

      I had a support issue similar to this which required only a few mouse-clicks to solve.

      Unfortunately my verbal description of the clicks that were required seemed to be getting lost in translation to the "click-er". Fortunately both of our cell phones had video chat capability, so in the end, he was using his phone's camera to show the screen of the computer, and I was telling him where to click. Problem solved and it saved me an hour of driving in heavy traffic.

      One of the first troubleshooting techniques I teach new employees is that if an unexpected error message pops up, or an error that they don't understand, snap a picture (screen shot or cell phone) and send it to me. It has probably made 50% of the "It's not working and an error message popped-up, so I clicked it but it's still not working" issues go away.

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    5. Re:Jesus. by Glonoinha · · Score: 1

      WebEx. Learn it. Live it. Love it.
      Seriously - WebEx.

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  13. Total holiday time by rishistar · · Score: 1

    I wonder if part of the culture of 'we can get by without backup for our IT guy' is down to total length of vacation time that someone has? In the UK its something like 25 days minimum (as opposed to the 10 or so including National holidays that were on offer in the US) and so maybe being able to cope with the systems administrator being away for a couple of weeks at a time is forced upon the organisation.

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    1. Re:Total holiday time by houghi · · Score: 1

      Same here. Also this is not only limited to IT. I have seen problems in many departments if only one person knew how to handle a specific task or situation.

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    2. Re:Total holiday time by Sporkinum · · Score: 1

      Since I have not been able to take much vacation, I am always right around my workplace's maximum, 500 hours (62.5 days). That is also a pool for sick time too though. If you knock out the weekends which aren't counted, I am around 2.5 months of vacation in the bank. They only allow you to cash in 50 hours a year.

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    3. Re:Total holiday time by ginbot462 · · Score: 1

      You get 10 days off! You lucky bastard!

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  14. Another reason for vacations: crooked employees by John+Jorsett · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm personally aware thru my late father, who was an accountant, of two companies that had employees embezzling funds for years. One telltale sign was that they never took vacations, because their replacements would have discovered what they were up to. Businesses should insist that their personnel take time off, just to make malfeasance easier to detect.

    1. Re:Another reason for vacations: crooked employees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      About the only thing availble for me to take where I work is the shitty coffee!

    2. Re:Another reason for vacations: crooked employees by swalve · · Score: 1

      Many larger operations do just this sort of thing for employees in sensitive positions. "Hey Bob, you are on vacation this week. See you next Tuesday."

    3. Re:Another reason for vacations: crooked employees by NJRoadfan · · Score: 1

      At least you get coffee from them. They took away our coffee machine!

    4. Re:Another reason for vacations: crooked employees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Traders in the US are required to take vacations for exactly that reason

    5. Re:Another reason for vacations: crooked employees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      We bought our own coffee machine to replace the one they took away. But, it got flagged by a consultant as a potential safety hazard, and we got reprimanded for violating corporate policy.

    6. Re:Another reason for vacations: crooked employees by pathological+liar · · Score: 2

      Investment banks do that already. Guess it's not a magic bullet :P

    7. Re:Another reason for vacations: crooked employees by shentino · · Score: 1

      If I was shitty enough to take away your coffee machine, I would have fired you for insubordination when you got another one.

      On the spot.

      Especially if you used corporate funds to acquire it.

    8. Re:Another reason for vacations: crooked employees by schlesinm · · Score: 1

      And it can't just be a short vacation (1-2 days). It has to be at least a week straight.

    9. Re:Another reason for vacations: crooked employees by ah,+soup! · · Score: 1

      If I was shitty enough to take away your coffee machine, I would have fired you for insubordination when you got another one. On the spot.

      Unless you're quoting from a movie or something, you're a power-obsessed jackass. If somebody wants a coffee machine for work, they should be able to get a coffee machine, unless it's somehow wildly inappropriate for I don't even drink coffee, but the idea of someone being fired instantly for something like this boggles my mind.

    10. Re:Another reason for vacations: crooked employees by shentino · · Score: 1

      I did qualify with:

      "If I was shitty enough"

      I'm not, and was making the point that taking away the coffee machine was a dick move itself.

      Lern2hypotheticalsarcasm

    11. Re:Another reason for vacations: crooked employees by ah,+soup! · · Score: 1

      understood, sorry. perhaps if it had been written as "someone who", it would have been clearer. Or there weren't emphases added like "On the spot."

  15. Maternity Leave... by ideonexus · · Score: 1

    My wife and I are expecting to test our company next month when we're due to have our first child. She's the senior programmer and many help desk calls get forwarded to her every day and sometimes at 3AM. We've been joking that we're going to have photos of her taking support calls during labor.

    In all seriousness, our options aren't good. We always bring our laptops on vacation with us knowing that our adventures might get put on hold to handle support calls. We're a company of five people, so we're stressing over how to handle my wife being out of work for a month of maternity leave. I'd like to have a week to enjoy the new baby, but understand that may not be practical. Luckily, we all telecommute, so when she comes back online we can work from home and take turns with the baby. : )

    I feel for the senior IT people I've worked with in the past, who I've had to get out of bed late at night to assist me with something or other, even when they are bed-ridden with the flu.

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    1. Re:Maternity Leave... by houghi · · Score: 1

      At least you KNOW it is going to happen, so you can train people to handle those calls. Where I live (Belgium) getting a baby means generally about 5 months off.

      When I am in my off time, I expect no calls, no nothing, except for extreme rare situation, say twice a year. I and everybody in the company has 32 days of payed holiday, so we are accustomed to have others do our job at least part of the time.

      I would never take my portable on a holiday and I screen my calls. When I am not working, I am not working and that goes the same for my co workers.

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    2. Re:Maternity Leave... by DaMattster · · Score: 1

      I feel for you. In situations like these, I just want to give the giant middle finger to IT and open up a Parking Lot or something.

    3. Re:Maternity Leave... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Seriously? One month of maternity leave only? You want a week to enjoy the baby?

      I stayed at home for 2 months to enjoy the baby. I can tell you, even that's not nearly enough :) However, it really helped to be at home for such a "long" time. No problems with sleeplessness at all (because I could just sleep whenever baby was sleeping and take turns with my wife too). I.e. she would sleep, while I was watching TV with baby sleeping on my stomach (the only position she would sleep in for some time). That's Canada though ...

      All that talk of companies not functioning, because people have 2 weeks of vacation a year ... nonsense. In Germany I had 30 days of vacation ... and last time I checked there were no economic problems due to it.

    4. Re:Maternity Leave... by Gramie2 · · Score: 1

      My co-worker recently took 6 weeks off to be with his wife and their new baby; she took the standard 35 weeks or so off (Ontario).

      In Japan, I got the day of my son's birth off (and that was considered rather suspect, even though I had been up all night).

    5. Re:Maternity Leave... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look, it's one of the culprits speaking. A five person firm, you have some decision power, or at the very least you communicate daily with your boss, the owner of the firm, and you can push/ask to hire one more employee, but you're not doing it. Oh, and the human gestation period is about 9 months, didn't you have some warning? I mean at the very least, after the first three months the signs become VERY obvious.

      Why?

    6. Re:Maternity Leave... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Call a temp agency.

    7. Re:Maternity Leave... by Thing+1 · · Score: 0

      In Germany I had 30 days of vacation ... and last time I checked there were no economic problems due to it.

      There will be, what with them soon buying all their power from France...

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    8. Re:Maternity Leave... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah sure: http://rwecom.online-report.eu/factbook/en/pics/img/4_grid_ger_import_export_en.png

      Percentage of nuclear energy usage in Germany (from "Arbeitsgemeinschaft Energiebilanzen (AGEB)"):

      1991 1995 2000 2005 2009
      27,3 28,7 29,4 26,3 22,6

      So Germany is exporting ~45TWh of electricity and importing ~33TWh. Maybe Germany would just stop exporting some electricity ...?

    9. Re:Maternity Leave... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah Japan seems to be really crazy with their work attitude. For them, you're basically 1 step away from being fired if you do less than 50 hours per week. However, from my own experience with Japanese clients, there's zero planning or lookahead, no wonder you need to work 10 hours a day to fight all the fires you could have avoided with some minimal planning or actually working while at work :)

      I was lucky, in Quebec dads get an extra few days off that we don't need to share with the mom (i.e. not just maternity and parental leave but an extra paternity leave).

  16. Blame a lot of downsizing as well. by KiltedKnight · · Score: 1

    This is a problem with the downsizing of companies. They try to push as much work as possible onto as few people as possible, often burning out the good people because they never get any time off, are constantly on outage calls, etc., and then nobody listens to them because they've identified a myriad of problems... but fixing them would require not putting out that extra new feature so they use operations to hold things together while disregarding their importance.

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  17. Vactions as a test for..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Take a short vacation, when they panic call you ever 36 hours to fix things. Take it in stride, go see your boss and ask for a 5% raise.

    If he balks at it tell him you are taking two weeks off this time someplace without cell service and when you get back the number will be 50%

    Rinse and repeat as necessary.

    1. Re:Vactions as a test for..... by shentino · · Score: 1

      "Stay and burn yourself out or I'm going to fucking FIRE you."

      How do you deal with that in an economy like this where there are a million people fighting to take your place?

    2. Re:Vactions as a test for..... by shentino · · Score: 1

      "You're fired." ...

      "Crap I really shouldn't have fired him..."

      Meanwhile though you're still out of a job.

  18. It's worse the other way by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2

    OK, let's say you go on vacation and nothing happens. Next time layoffs come around, you'll be perceived as non-essential.

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    1. Re:It's worse the other way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OK, let's say you go on vacation and nothing happens. Next time layoffs come around, you'll be perceived as non-essential.

      In smaller companies it often works as "Sure you can take your vacation time but don't expect to have a job to come back to."

    2. Re:It's worse the other way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The goal is to have an uninterrupted vacation by planning ahead for most problems that can occur in that timeframe, but still be irreplaceable beyond that. If the company fires you because they perceive you as non-essential, go on vacation, wait for the call and offer to take your old job back - with a raise.

    3. Re:It's worse the other way by DaMattster · · Score: 1

      That happened to me once. I was fired while on vacation and then a week later management called me and explained that they were "shortsighted" in my termination. They asked me to come back and they said they would guarantee the same salary, vacation, etc. I said, "Thank you for consideration. If you want me back, I need 10K more per year and an extra week of vacation and I need this in writing on an official letterhead." I got what I wanted .....

    4. Re:It's worse the other way by zoney_ie · · Score: 1

      If you are essential, you'll have a week or two of clearly observed mania and making arrangements with coworkers for the two weeks off, followed on your return by a similar week or two catching up and following up with co-workers all over.

      And even if you can avoid doing anything during vacation, if you are essential, people will have found your absence a hindrance.

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    5. Re:It's worse the other way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so if you're there and nothing happens, how are you perceived?

    6. Re:It's worse the other way by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      If this is how your company works, you need to get your resume up to date and go job hunting.

    7. Re:It's worse the other way by Thing+1 · · Score: 1

      Only 10K? And, they didn't balk? The evidence shows that you underbilled.

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    8. Re:It's worse the other way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      not if you tell them nothing will happen because you designed the system that way. then they perceive you as having done your job. i always told my employers that i'm doing my job well, if you see me standing around drinking coffee. if you don't see me and i'm locked in the server room, something went horribly wrong.

    9. Re:It's worse the other way by Builder · · Score: 1

      Only in America really. In most of the rest of the western world, employees are often treated as humans.

  19. Vacation? we don't allow that nonsense here! by green1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    At a previous company I worked for I went away for 3 days (friday-sunday) at a company that only worked mon-fri, so it was essentially just a single day off. I made everyone well aware that I would be out of town and unreachable.

    I returned on Monday to find my boss had flown in from out of town and was sitting cross legged on the server room floor with one of our servers in pieces all around him. He informed me that there had been a hardware failure over the weekend and that I should have been there to deal with it. After I finished fixing the original problem, and the problems he had created by trying to fix things, and once everything was up and running again, he asked me for my security pass and escorted me off the premises citing "budget cuts".

    Probably much better that I don't work there anymore...

    1. Re:Vacation? we don't allow that nonsense here! by kmdrtako · · Score: 1

      sounds to me like you have a good case for a wrongful termination suit.

    2. Re:Vacation? we don't allow that nonsense here! by DaMattster · · Score: 1

      It depends upon the state. A lot of states are simply, "at will," meaning that you can legally be terminated for farting in the wrong direction. Okay, I know that was an embellishment. In this case, sounds like getting unemployment would be a slam dunk.

    3. Re:Vacation? we don't allow that nonsense here! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the U.S.? Please.

    4. Re:Vacation? we don't allow that nonsense here! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sounds to me like you have a good case for a wrongful termination suit.

      Good luck with that in an at will jurisdiction. They don't have to have a reason to terminate you. They can terminate you at any time, for any reason (except for illegal discrimination), with no advance notice, unless your contract says otherwise (and usually, it doesn't say much else). In at will, you can get terminated because the manager woke up on the right side of the bed that morning, and you generally have no cause to challenge it legally.

      Government jobs in the US are a *little* different--you can't be fired in an arbitrary and capricious manner (due process). But that's a weak protection without any other law backing that up. The manager can't fire you for waking up on the wrong side of the bed, but probably could fire you for the cited situation. Of course, statutory or collectively bargained protections may enhance termination protection, but that's a jurisdiction by jurisdiction, and arbitrary and capricious (abuse of discretion) is only a slightly higher bar to cross than at will.

    5. Re:Vacation? we don't allow that nonsense here! by RobertLTux · · Score: 1

      the trick is yes they can fire you for any reason but they are still on the hook for your unemployment benefits unless they can prove you were fired FOR CAUSE.

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    6. Re:Vacation? we don't allow that nonsense here! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In many states, no, he doesn't. As an at-will employee, they can fire you for taking vacation, as there's no federal guarantee of time off. He might have a case if he were in a union for breach of the union contract that guarantees you vacation, but for the most part they can tell you you're done if you're not available during a crisis. Only federally mandated specific categories are protected, like race, gender, age (which is really tricky to prove, since budget cuts are enough of a reason to replace an experienced person with someone new).

    7. Re:Vacation? we don't allow that nonsense here! by Gideon+Wells · · Score: 1

      Sorry to hear that.

      *Sighs* No offense, but I might copy your story and post it somewhere I can see it every morning as I head to work. Until now I thought having a fellow employee sent to your home and to fetch me from my bathroom was the worst that could happen on a weekend as I didn't take my cellphone in there with me.

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    8. Re:Vacation? we don't allow that nonsense here! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds to me like you've never worked in a "right to work" state. No grounds required for termination.

    9. Re:Vacation? we don't allow that nonsense here! by green1 · · Score: 2

      Well... hard to say, their official reason for terminating me was due to budget cuts, and they did not fill my position once I was gone, it was termed a lay-off and not a firing. (It was actually somewhat satisfying to hear from a co-worker I ran in to almost a year later that the whole IT infrastructure in the company basically fell apart after that.) There's no way I could prove otherwise, so a wrongful dismissal case would have been an uphill battle to say the least. I suppose it's possible that it was all just a coincidence and that being let go had nothing to do with being out of town when the server broke... but it seemed pretty suspicious, especially after they made me fix it before telling me I no longer had a job.

      My boss actually gave me a really good letter of recommendation, but I suspect he had nothing to do with the decision to let me go, I'm pretty sure it came from higher up (the recommendation was on his own letterhead, not the company's as it was "against company policy to write references")

      It actually turned out better for me in the long run anyway, I now make about three times what I did there, plus benefits (which I did not have at that company), and I enjoy my new job a lot more than I ever did that one.

    10. Re:Vacation? we don't allow that nonsense here! by Mr.+Arbusto · · Score: 1

      Uhm, actually it means you or your employer can stop working, "At will" for any reason not related to Race, Color, religion, national origin, age, sex, family status, sexual orientation, gender identity, disability, veteran status, or based on the results of Genetic information.

    11. Re:Vacation? we don't allow that nonsense here! by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      Rather than reply to 5 different people below, I'll just reply once here.

      I agree that in this case he might have grounds for a suit, even in an at-will state, since the firing is clearly linked to the vacation which was authorized (assuming he can prove that all this actually happened).

      Most companies wouldn't fire somebody this way. They'd not complain at all about the guy not being back to fix the server during vacation. Then, three months later the guy is laid off as part of a large-scale restructuring or whatever. There would be no clear link between the cause and the firing, and the only reason given would be "we no longer require your services" or whatever.

      If you want to fire somebody in an at-will state you don't ever give them a reason. You just pay them for the time they've worked and say "thanks for all your help but we don't need you any longer." The effect is the same as throwing them physically out the door, but it makes it almost impossible to sue.

    12. Re:Vacation? we don't allow that nonsense here! by CodeBuster · · Score: 1

      "At will" for any reason not related to Race, Color, religion, national origin, age, sex, family status, sexual orientation, gender identity, disability, veteran status

      Which is why, if you are terminated, you will almost never learn the real reason. In fact, most companies don't actually fire anymore except under extreme circumstances (i.e. you were perp-walked out of the building in cuffs by the men in suits and sunglasses). If someone is fired then they were "laid off" and the company will do nothing other than to confirm dates of employment to anyone who inquires after the fact. So, one could argue that all of the stringent laws, lawsuits and lawyers have made any actual discrimination both more sophisticated and more entrenched. As long as plausible deniablity is maintained and nobody in management is dumb enough to write anything down related to these policies; the "at will" provisions make any discrimination lawsuit difficult at best and mostly impossible in practice. Indeed, the recent outcome in the Walmart discrimination case serves to reinforce and legitimize these practices.

    13. Re:Vacation? we don't allow that nonsense here! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In WI firing you after walking you out in cuffs is illegal.
      You cannot fire someone or not hire someone for criminal convictions unless you can prove that the crime was substantially related to to job IE, robbing a store when you are a bank worker who actually handles cash.

      http://dwd.wisconsin.gov/er/discrimination_civil_rights/publication_erd_7609_p.htm

      But, WI it is a at-will state, so if you have no union contract they can just fire you and say no reason, or that they just did not like you. So it only offers protection to people with access to lawyers.

    14. Re:Vacation? we don't allow that nonsense here! by CodeBuster · · Score: 1

      If you are being walked out of the building in cuffs, you haven't been convicted yet. In fact you may not even be charged yet. The company can terminate you when you try to come back to work or fail to show up for a few days after you make bail. Either way, it's very unlikely that an at will employee would survive that experience with their job intact unless they were a family member in a family business or another family member had a position of great power and influence in the company.

  20. Not just IT by kmdrtako · · Score: 1

    The same sort of management short-sightedness happens in engineering and software development all the time.

    Case in point, at a Fortune 200 companythe senior technical staff all left the project I was on left over the last three years, leaving me as the last senior person. Management saw it as an opportunity to save money and rarely backfilled, and never with senior people. I saw the writing on the wall and started looking over two years ago. Last summer I took a three week vacation and absolutely nothing got done while I was gone. You'd think that would have been management's wake up call, but for some reason it wasn't.

    Not too surprisingly, management were blind-sided when I resigned earlier this year.

    1. Re:Not just IT by DaMattster · · Score: 1

      That is their fault. This posting is a nice segway from the earlier slashdot posting on MBAs. This is a prime and classic example of two many MBAs and not enough engineers/technical people.

    2. Re:Not just IT by kmdrtako · · Score: 1

      Right. I don't blame it on MBA though per se, but PHB. My undergrad was Bus. Admin, emphasis on MIS (then, now I suppose it would be IT) basically the undergrad equivalent of an MBA. One of the things I remember from a Management Theory class I took is that one part of a manager's job is to be able to do their employees' jobs when the employee can't, e.g. because they're on vacation.

      The anecdotes in this thread about managers who couldn't do their employees jobs, e.g. reboot a server, have no business being a manager.

      And every 2U server I've ever seen has a clearly labeled power button. What kind of cheesy-ass hardware are they using that even a 6 or 7 figure CEO can't find the power button?

      Oh, and seqway is a scooter, seque is a transition from one thread to another.

    3. Re:Not just IT by Gramie2 · · Score: 1

      This posting is a nice segway

      "segue". I blame Dean Kamen for corrupting our language.

    4. Re:Not just IT by Kittenman · · Score: 1

      Amen, brother. Some posts I can't understand at all 'cause the poster's mixed up the to/too, or there/their/they're forms of the word.

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  21. MANAGER??? by pigiron · · Score: 1

    Anyone who has to be available to re-boot a server is not a "manager."

  22. Re:I don't know what the solution is by petes_PoV · · Score: 1
    The solution is a degree of trust and the maturity to realise that you won't get thrown out on your ear if you are delivering the goods and you're good at your job. You don't need to be a superhero - and you almost certainly aren't. Especially if you're regularly working more than 40 hours a week, the chances are a large proportion of those extra hours are spent fixing screwups caused by poor quality decisions or mistakes; made through tiredness.

    Sure, in some places I've done the work of 3 people (though confidentiality prevents me from naming the other two), but I've done that within the bounds of a normal working week. The key is to realise that half the stuff you're asked to do is unnecessary or the result of chinese-whispers. Once you get back to the source and actually talk to the people involved I often find that what has filtered through to me via the chain of command is nothing like what they actually need, wanted or asked for.

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  23. Vacation? How about WEEKENDS? by natoochtoniket · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My current company, has no vacations. You simply tell them when you are not going to be there, and they decide if they want to fire you for the absence.

    They also do not have weekends. On the Friday before each customary "3-day" weekend the owner declares an emergency that, somehow, MUST be finished by Tuesday.

    No one wants to work there for very long. Turnover is very high. Projects don't get finished, precisely because of the turnover. Other projects do get "finished', but don't work, also because of the turnover

    The owner doesn't seem to realize that he is sabotaging his own projects.

  24. The real lesson is... by seifried · · Score: 2

    If you are "indispensable" in the sense that without you the IT services can't be maintained/fixed then the company is f**ked regardless. You may go on vacation, get sick, get hit by a car, have a heart attack or simply get a new job. This is true of any job function, but seems especially true of IT, I suspect in large parts because each IT build-out is pretty much a custom job with all sorts of gotchas, exceptions and internal workarounds to address issues, and the system is rarely documented properly.

    I find this especially strange since most companies now rely upon IT to carry out basic functions (telephone, email, workflow, etc.) but fail to treat it as a critical service (single points of failure, especially with respect to personal are more the rule than the exception). Oh well.

  25. No, it's insecurity by petes_PoV · · Score: 1

    I wonder if part of the culture of ' ...

    I don't think so. I think a lot of the time the techies get caught up in their own self-image. They are often quite impressionable types and see techies in films and on TV - which almost always involves a lone uber-geek who single-handedy runs a billion $$ operation. Just like cops watch cop shows and "learn" how to behave from them, so it is with techies: they try to emulate what they see on TV or in films in some delusional idea that the programme shows how people think they *should* behave. Basically, they're just acting out their own fantasies. It's quite sad to watch as they are so obviously completely out of their depth - and end up utterly overwhelmed by it all.

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    1. Re:No, it's insecurity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You, sir, are an idiot.

      I see nonsense like you describe on TV or in a movie and laugh at how absurd the entertainment industry is in it's portrayals. I can only imagine that professionals in other fields feel the same way about what they see in the distorted mirror of Hollywood.

      What you posit may be true for the newly minted A+ knucklehead and the pathologically socially retarded nitwit that runs IT for a mom and pop shop, but the vast majority of IT professionals I encounter are exactly that...professionals. They are often very interested in providing the level of service and expertise that are required to run an effective IT organization and would be delighted to have them necessary bandwidth to document and train for coverage. The sad reality is that there aren't enough hours in the day to fight all the fires, move the projects forward, hand-hold management through critical IT decisions and actually do the things necessary to position the organization for brain-level fault tolerance

    2. Re:No, it's insecurity by petes_PoV · · Score: 1
      No, you're completely wrong there. It sounds like you've very really worked with any true professionals. A professional knows that the single top priority is to ensure that those who need to know, have access tot he information they need. They make time to ensure that everything is written down and that the other team members know where - and how to execute the procedures they've written.

      People who don't do this are NOT acting professionally. They usually have poor self-discipline and even worse time management skills (but will spend half a day chasing a trivial bug, that nobody cares about because that's "fun") and don't know how to prioritise the "fires", or can even distinguish the important ones from the irrelevant. They waste so much time because they have no clue about how to delegate all the stuff they have documented, to the people who could do it instead of them.

      The true mark of a professional is someone who gets all their work done in a 40 hour week - not someone who works 60 and spends half of that time bleating about how busy they are. When they say "busy" they simply mean "disorganised".

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    3. Re:No, it's insecurity by Seraphim_72 · · Score: 1

      Just like cops watch cop shows and "learn" how to behave from them

      [Citation Needed]

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  26. Do you do what your boss tells you to do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Then he's your master. Deal with it.

    1. Re:Do you do what your boss tells you to do? by Nursie · · Score: 1

      Yeah, really not. I can tell him to take a hike and sell my skills elsewhere.

    2. Re:Do you do what your boss tells you to do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yup. i'm sure that you're so awesome that they will sell it anywhere! and you wont have to uproot your family or go months without an income. thus, you can just walk out anytime you want - tell that boss "screw you!" and expect absolutely zero precautions to your career. because only losers have people that can adversely effect their life, amiright! oh, and I'm sure you're 350k income is proof that you just rok at life.

    3. Re:Do you do what your boss tells you to do? by Nursie · · Score: 1

      I'm really not trying to brag about how awesome I am, I'm just saying I have choices and I have rights. Most people in the tech industry I have experience of are in a similar position. However I have never lived in the US so I don't pretend to know what your experiences are.

      I have worked there very briefly and what I saw confirmed what I had heard about the long hours and little vacation time, which points to a very different balance between workers and managers/owners in the US compared to Europe and Australia.

    4. Re:Do you do what your boss tells you to do? by shentino · · Score: 1

      Supposing I get so pissed at your assertiveness that I decide to call all of my buddies in the tech sector and basically make sure you NEVER get a job in IT again?

    5. Re:Do you do what your boss tells you to do? by Nursie · · Score: 1

      If you can do that you must live in a small town. I don't do small towns.

      I mean, unless you're Bill Gates or something.

  27. Re:and that lead to the hit by bus problem what to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Make person work from the hospital room high on pain killers? What if they are to out of it to work?"
    That didn't stop D*P*nt. My fiance was a sort-of 2nd-in-command for a position that had no official 2nd-in-command. Her department was forced to bring in someone to downsize their IT; after firing most of the support (the Engineers *loved* getting Delhi on the phone for support, let me tell you! "What is METLAB? I have never hear of METLAB only.") staff, they started getting rid of everyone but the top person maintaining the database of engineering software licenses and engineers' workstations---except that the top person was less than a year from retirement and had been out on surgery.
    When they called her, less than 24 hours after a full-anaesthesia surgery, to ask if she "really needed" my fiancee as her right-hand-(wo)man [she was going to be out for several more days, at least, following surgery, and had another surgery scheduled in another few months, mind you], she said something like, "Um.. I.. really.. need.. can okay.. not with her," so she was let go. Mind you, the papers you sign before surgery warn you not to make any important decisions for at least 24 hours following general anaesthesia!
    I could continue to bitch about my fiance losing her job here, but my beef is with the exec brought in to lay people off---who didn't respect the team leader's request not to be bothered after her surgery. She *was* high on painkillers, still had GA in her system, and he expected her to make personnel decisions regarding a person she had been training to take over when she retired.

    I didn't follow the fiasco afterward, but I did hear they didn't have much fun when she was trying to retire.

  28. Every time by ledow · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Every time I go on holiday, something weird will happen with a system that's been running perfectly for years. It's guaranteed. And it won't just be because I've been kicking that system back into action all the time and "would get around to fixing it", I would get the really esoteric interconnected problems that suddenly crop up out of nowhere and you're never entirely sure you've solved until months afterwards.

    However, my employer knows I'm on the end of a phone if it is indeed an emergency. They have called on me in Italy several times. The trick is to take holidays FAR AWAY from your place of work, and then they can't do anything but cope without you. Flying back to fix a company server? No thanks. Not unless you provide DOUBLE the time I'd taken off in lieu as compensation for ruining my long-planned holiday through poor planning / hiring. If a company can't cope without any single individual, then its hiring policies suck. What would you do if he went under a bus and was *never* coming back?

    The worst that's ever happened to me is that I lined up my own brother to go into the company should the emergency they were having not be solved by my instructions. It was, however it would have be after-hours, because he works too, but they would at least have someone there who knew the right switch to press, could be talked through a RAID rebuild, etc. and not have to be led every step of the way and incur only a single day's downtime without making things worse.

    Think the downtime wasn't important? It was a school with automated billing, parental contact, phone system, heating controls, registration, medical records, salaries, you name it, not to mention IT lessons and exams. Without registration, etc. the school is legally not allowed to open because they have no records of which children are where, no medical records, etc. Guess what? They coped for the day because they had contingency plans (i.e. cancel all IT lessons and do something else instead, catching up again next week, manual financial control, manual registration, etc.). There are very few companies that *can't* carry on if the IT dies. It might be inconvenient, it might mean harder and more work, but it's rarely impossible unless you're something like an ISP or a datacentre.

    If there was nobody else suitable to come and fix the problem? Not hard - hire an IT guy to come in. You do have support contracts for your gear and software, yes? Or you could organise an emergency contractor to visit and fix your problem? It's not hard and the only problem there is finding the right guy (i.e. someone who *can* walk into the middle of a mess and at least get something working enough to last until the "real" IT guy gets back).

    If you honestly, genuinely can't cope without an employee - you need him to train an assistant, or even two. It won't be perfect but it's better than nothing. Failing that, you need a large enough team that you can do something on the guy's instructions. Failing that, you need your support contracts which pretty much come as standard with business-level hardware/software. Failing that, you need a contractor at short-notice. If you can't do those four and get to a working system of some fashion within 24 hours, you were always going to be in deep shit whenever anything went wrong anyway. What would you do if the guy left and you had to find a replacement? What if he died? What if he suffered amnesia and forgot all the passwords? What if he was arrested? What if, what if, what if. Or you could just do the normal IT-thing and have backups - lots of them.

    Nobody is that invaluable that they have to abandon holidays and drive away from their kids to come back after-hours. Sorry, it's just not true, and if it "is" then that's only the company's fault. It's purely a money saving solution rather than hiring someone else to fix the mess - get the guy who's away on holiday and pay him for a few extra hours - it's cheaper than calling on your support contracts or call-out fees for an emerge

    1. Re:Every time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm just back from a vacation, and I was too far away to fly back and fix the problems (yeah, multiple) that occurred within hours of my departure. I did log in, but connectivity precluded doing anything significant besides looking around and consulting with one of our vendors, who did yoeman services getting things started down the path of "better". We have 4 part-time sys admins, and the 3 senior guys were all out at the same time. Note that of the 3 of us, only I work directly for my boss, and my vacation request had been in longer than anyone's. So we all left. I talked to my boss almost every day of a 2 week vacation, often several times/day. At least twice I had to drive in to better connectivity to troubleshoot something, neither of which were more than perceived problems... the real problem I'd decided what had to be the cause and punted to someone with better skills and connectivity for that problem than I had.

      But the real chafing issue this vacation was that the office decided to accellerate a move to a new facility, including my data center, while I was gone. I returned home Friday night, went in to the new place to diagnose some network connectivity issues, and then spent a 10 hour Saturday in there fixing things engendered by a plethora of other problems. All to some degree of success. And I'm in an airport waiting to travel again. For 2 weeks.

      I wonder what's gonna break now?

    2. Re:Every time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you honestly, genuinely can't cope without an employee - you need him to train an assistant, or even two.

      You also need to make sure he has TIME to train an assistant - if he's always booked with critical projects, that assistant is never getting trained.

    3. Re:Every time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...Simon, is that you?

      Listen, the financials server is ablaze once again, and the PFY doesn't know what's going on. Please contact us ASAP.

  29. Vacation by DaMattster · · Score: 1

    When I am on vacation, that is MY time, no one else's. It is a cherished benefit of the job, and as such, I make it clear that I will have LIMITED access to email only. That said, I usually take vacations in the mountains where there is no internet and no cell signal. I like it that way! My idea of a vacation is getting away from what is modern to what is simple.

    1. Re:Vacation by Tomji · · Score: 1

      I hope you never read your private email at work because that is the COMPANIES time, not yours to play around

  30. Re:Vacation? How about WEEKENDS? by DaMattster · · Score: 1

    Just wait until the economy improves, this guy is going to be in a world of hurt when there is a mass exodus.

  31. I would fire you for that by sjbe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The flip side to being "one deep" is you are more valuable. I would lean towards hoarding knowledge and being on-call. I don't WANT my employer to be comfortable functioning without me.

    Business is a team sport and you are definitely NOT being a team player. I have fired people for doing exactly what you are suggesting. It doesn't make you more valuable, it makes you a liability. You are putting the organization at risk for your own gain. If you make everything dependent on you and then you get hit by the proverbial bus, your selfishness has endangered everyone who depends on you. Single point of failure is a bad thing and information hoarding makes you a single point of failure. If the people you work for tolerate that kind of behavior from you, they are extremely foolish.

    1. Re:I would fire you for that by Kjella · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Single point of failure is a bad thing and information hoarding makes you a single point of failure. If the people you work for tolerate that kind of behavior from you, they are extremely foolish.

      Many companies don't spend any more time cross-training than they have to, there's always work to do and being productive always preempts being non-productive. Same with documentation, if I have to scramble to the second most pressing issue on your list I'll do that. They are trying to avoid single point of disaster, nothing more so if a mad scramble by everyone else can lead to a small to moderate degree of failure that's acceptable. Many other places are simply on a "when you have time" basis which make it easy to be an information hoarder, because you're simply always take on enough work to be busy. Or if you're simply dishonest, pretend to be busy.

      Personally I've had it too much the other way around, nobody really wanted to or had the skills to do what I do so I didn't hoard it, I was trapped by it. In the end I resigned and started at a different company simply because I felt I was stuck being an expert in one area they'd never let me leave. I would actually think that happens far more often, it wasn't until I resigned they really got busy trying to cover my skills with other employees. Of course I had to learn quite a bit about the existing systems at my new employer too, but I could be a lot more focused on what would be rather than every gritty detail of the old systems they already had experts in.

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    2. Re:I would fire you for that by llamapater · · Score: 1

      That's nice and all, but redundancy is an easy place to remove someone if the budget comes up short. There are plenty of managers/mba's who would fire someone just to look good saving money next quarter.

    3. Re:I would fire you for that by morari · · Score: 1, Troll

      You are putting the organization at risk for your own gain.

      Then fuck you and fuck your organization. Here's a hint, I only work for the organization for personal gain. I'm not there to better the organization, I'm there to make money for myself. The organization would have no problem firing me for its own gain. I have no problem doing all I can to ensure that it's easier to just keep me around.

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    4. Re:I would fire you for that by garyebickford · · Score: 2

      Me too. I've fired, and seen fired, people who were too 'effective' at making themselves the single point of failure. Usually they were also irritating, whiny SOBs who had a talent for sabotaging others' work.

      Conversely, while I'm naturally an introvert and work best on my own, in my present job I've been very successful at using my own efforts to include others in my projects. It's improved my work, it's improved the stability of part of the IT universe that I'm involved in (many people know at least something about my work), it's improved my position in the company. I'm almost certainly considered more 'necessary' as a result. I suppose this could be considered 'dynamic necessity' as opposed to 'static necessity' where 'static necessity' means, more-or-less, "he's the only one who knows how that POS program works."

        By putting my own work into a Mercurial repository, using dotProject and Trac to manage my own one-man projects and encouraging code reviews and release management of my projects into production IT, the others in this small company were gradually introduced to more-or-less modern project practices, and essentially had to get used to using these tools in order to integrate my work into the production environment. At first only a fraction of that group were interested, but now this has succeeded to the extent that the entire IT staff is now adopting essentially the system that I and the others in my group have been using. In the process, several other people have at least reading knowledge of how my code works, and how it fits into the bigger systems. And that integration process is now documented reasonably well so others can figure it out later.

      (One clue - the Trac wiki makes a natural place to make notes while one is figuring out how to build a system, and in the process. Those notes are easy to convert into formal docs later. So those weird little facts and real-world idiosyncracies that affect how the code works are documented both in the code, and in the wiki.)

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    5. Re:I would fire you for that by garyebickford · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I've seen you before. You are basically stuck in a box. (the box of your preconceptions and way of thinking) That box is pretty closely related to the 'union thug' box, not to put too fine a point on it. That box pretty well destroyed Detroit over a period of 40 years. That box will prevent you from ever succeeding beyond a low level, unless you change jobs, get an MBA and go to work for the next group of Wall Street sociopaths (no, not all WS folks are sociopaths, but they're always out there - a separate topic).

      When you take a job, you are providing a service in return for pay. This is a standard bargain, just like when you get a haircut. The barber offers a service, and you pay the barber. If the barber gives you an attitude, or doesn't do a good enough job, you will go somewhere else next time. If he/she does a real crap job or pisses you off enough, you won't pay him. But if he does a very good job, has a good attitude and goes above the standard, you might tip him extra.

      Similarly, if you do a bit above the standard, look for how to make the company succeed, at most (not all) companies you are likely to be noticed, and sooner or later are more likely to be promoted, given a raise, or in bad times, less likely to be laid off. Sure, some companies don't follow that model - but even then, if you have done the right thing, at least _some_ of the folks in almost any company will be available to give you a good reference when you go somewhere else. So it's just good marketing unless you're a scam artist.

      I used to work in the oil exploration business. There are about 30,000 oilfield engineers in the world. It's essentially a small town. If a field engineer made a mistake, that was usually not fatal. But if an engineer screwed somebody over, or failed to carry through on a promise, everybody in the business knew about it soon enough. If that happened enough times, that engineer would eventually be unable to get a job anywhere in the business - or would end up working from some scab outfit working with old crap equipment and cutting corners wherever they could.

      Just so you know, the above is not a fantasy. It's exactly how things have worked for me, most places, most times, through a 40 year career. Because I always tried to do the best for the company, even when things didn't work out, I could honestly tell potential employers what I did do, what didn't work out, and why. And I never got negative feedback as a result. Potential employers can smell a rat, and unless they are rats as well, prefer not to hire them.

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    6. Re:I would fire you for that by HAKdragon · · Score: 1

      I don't know about you, but I consider the ability to be out of the office for a few days (or hell, even a week), enjoying myself and not having to worry about phone calls about system X being down or having problems with process Y, to be a benefit. (Don't get me wrong, i do enjoy my work, but i do like to get away from the office and the server room from time to time.)

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    7. Re:I would fire you for that by mikelieman · · Score: 1

      If you let your staff horde information and don't actually pay for cross-training time, it's not their fault there's a single-point-of-failure, it it?

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    8. Re:I would fire you for that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree with you 100% but, at the same time, I have to say, it depends what sort of management you have too. If your management are not team players, or play like they are on their own team, then, all bets are off. It may be the employees job to play on the team but, if he really can work like that then... maybe its not him that as foolish, its them. It sounds to me like a place where there really is no team. One bad employee not playing on the team, shame on him, fire him if you have to. However... if there is no team to play on.... or worst, they reward selfish play... then... he is giving them what they asked for.

    9. Re:I would fire you for that by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1

      exactly the right approach.

      It's not like there aren't going to be things you NEED to be there for. But the basics... like what systems and services should be running, daily issues, and of course your "working" documents should be available to everybody, even if they're not necessarily qualified for the work. At least your Boss would have a place to see what's going on and know what skills to hire a temp for or something.

        From a company point of view it's not just worrying about vacation. People that are that "important" tend to have sudden medical problems that lay them up for a week just as much as a vacation would. Vacation is a known, controllable "downtime"... a company should try like hell NOT to call you simply to see if they can do it... and take copious notes of the information they needed while you were gone.

    10. Re:I would fire you for that by captbob2002 · · Score: 1

      That may be so, bit *I* wasn't the one that thought it would be a good idea to lay-off EVERYONE else that was part of my team except me.

    11. Re:I would fire you for that by morari · · Score: 0

      Similarly, if you do a bit above the standard, look for how to make the company succeed, at most (not all) companies you are likely to be noticed, and sooner or later are more likely to be promoted, given a raise, or in bad times, less likely to be laid off.

      And right there is the problem. You're delusional. The harder you try and the more effort you put in, the more you are exploited. The more you are disliked by your peers (and even some higher-ups) because you make them look bad. You go in, do the very least you can to not get fired, and go home at night. You don't go out of your way to teach everyone to replace you. You don't "cross-train" so that you can fill two or three roles without a raise. You certainly don't answer calls when you're off duty.

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    12. Re:I would fire you for that by garaged · · Score: 0

      Amen my friend!

      How hard is to figure that out ?

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    13. Re:I would fire you for that by ATMAvatar · · Score: 1

      Sure it is. Cross-training should be done on their own time just like regular training is. Isn't that what management always says?

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    14. Re:I would fire you for that by tophermeyer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You go in, do the very least you can to not get fired, and go home at night. You don't go out of your way to teach everyone to replace you. You don't "cross-train" so that you can fill two or three roles without a raise. You certainly don't answer calls when you're off duty.

      Hooray, you are a disengaged employee. You've got a terribly toxic attitude and you do the bare minimum you can to get by. Not surprisingly, this makes you a poor candidate for investment and advancement. Shocking. Understand that this is often a reinforcing situation, in fact it is an archetypical organizational systems dynamics problem.

      I don't know where you have worked or what has happened to you to make you so jaded about employment, but trust me that it doesn't need to be that way. Maybe you had bad managers that missed opportunities to keep you engaged. Maybe you are just a terrible employee. Either way, your view of employee-employer relations is entirely too cynical. Plenty of healthy organizations exist that appropriately reward motivated employees.

    15. Re:I would fire you for that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've seen you before. You are basically stuck in a box. (the box of your preconceptions and way of thinking) That box is pretty closely related to the 'union thug' box, not to put too fine a point on it. That box pretty well destroyed Detroit over a period of 40 years.

      Then fuck you and fuck Detroit!

    16. Re:I would fire you for that by garyebickford · · Score: 2

      The other reply (below) is correct. What you describe has NEVER happened to me. And, if you read the most successful and influential business books, the entire thrust of all professional business management is the opposite. I suggest "The Fifth Discipline" by Peter Senge. This book is one of the few books that has been on the best seller list TWICE, 10 or 15 years apart - if your beliefs were true, that book wouldn't have sold 10 copies. But having done it myself, I also recognize that running a business is a lot like being a single mom - there's never enough money to do everything that MUST be done, and not enough hours in the day.

      So no, I'm not delusional. In fact, there is an aphorism regarding 'electrical engineers' (and by extension computer engineers hard and soft, since this aphorism long predates computers) that EEs have been working themselves out of a job since 1900, but every time they invent things to make themselves obsolete, the increased productivity of the new systems results in higher usage of electrical/electronic/comuting devices and in a requirement for more engineers. I'm not saying this is true of all jobs or all companies, but it's been true enough for long enough.

      I'm not arguing that this all applies in all cases. But I have noticed that we tend to experience what we expect, and what we act out - if you think and act like the 'bosses' are assholes, well people notice that, and they will tend to be assholes - to you.

      I've gotten in trouble at work before. My thing hasn't been the troubles you've noted. I'm hard to manage, arrogant, too smart for my own good sometimes, and I don't back down. If I think it should be done this way, I'll say so. This caused a rough patch at my present company but it all got worked out - at their initiative because they wanted me to stay. Now I'm more 'essential' in different ways, none of which are related to knowing where the secret software is hidden!

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    17. Re:I would fire you for that by Mysticalfruit · · Score: 1

      We had a real situation where a person in our group actually had a cerebral hemorrhage and tragically passed away. I should point out as not to sully this guy, since he a great fellow that he wasn't hording information intentionally the company merely had a poor system for documentation. Unfortunately, this person never fully documented their procedures and it took us some ugly trial and error to figure what he were doing. Out of that tragically, we established a very through and cross verified documentation system. Part of the system we called "musical chairs" where we'd switch functions for a week (usually during the winter) and we made it a point not todo hands on cross training but to rely entirely on the documentation.

      Needless to say, the first couple of rounds discovered some HUGE holes in our documentation, but we fixed it and it worked. On a side note, when the company a couple years later decided to become ISO9001 compliant, at least the IS department passed with flying colors.

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      Yes Francis, the world has gone crazy.
    18. Re:I would fire you for that by garyebickford · · Score: 1

      Funny, I was just replying (and referring to your comment), and mentioned Senge's "The Fifth Discipline" - and then I noticed you referred to an 'archetypical organizational systems dynamics problem', which is the core topic of the book! :D

      I know a couple of friends-of-friends, who have this kind of problem. In all three cases their own beliefs that the system is corrupt, that everyone is out to get them, etc. makes them cynical and uncooperative, and prevents them from ever getting past minimum wage jobs. In all three cases I'd never hire them, because they act out their beliefs. When I visit my friends and these folks are there, they spend the evening ranting about how screwed up the system is, and how nobody appreciates their 'hard work'. Well for them, that's probably true. But if they worked for me I sure wouldn't promote them to anything where I had to depend on them. My friends have them over regularly in hopes of turning them around but so far (several years) nothing has changed. They're toxic, and will remain so.

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    19. Re:I would fire you for that by justsayin · · Score: 1

      I have to agree with you there. I also have fired or replaced folks for this kind of crap. There is always the proverbial bus waiting out there. Did anyone else read the article? Slashvertisement, anyone? Who has a Dell rack mount server with a button on the face plate that adjusts the video resolution? I admit to running mostly HP servers cause they are better in my humble opinion but I have seen my fair share of Dell servers. Never ran across a button that changes the video resolution on the fly on the server? Me thinks this article is simply driving hits up at ComputerWorld and maybe Panera Bread?

    20. Re:I would fire you for that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whoa there cowboy. Take the chill (blue) pill and calm down a bit. OK, I try to keep my job by doing it well. Take care of the users and the employees and keep your systems running. Make sure you and your crew have as much cross training as possible. Run it like a platoon. If some one drops by the wayside for any reason the rest have a chance to keep on going. Guess it was my daddy's army training that comes out in the end. Never bunch up, keep your powder dry, keep your shit together. If you are valuable they'll keep you around.
      Now don't go taking this the wrong way but I have seen and worked with your kind before. You think that you can hoard simple knowledge about IT systems and somehow become magically irreplaceable. Or maybe design the system in some strange way that works but does not follow any kind of accepted industry standard. Every single time I came into a server room and someone like yourself had finally gone off their rocker or left or gotten fired I only had one question? Do you have the passwords or not? OK, then this'll take a little longer but we'll get her running again.

    21. Re:I would fire you for that by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      Conversely, once I've spent my entire knowledge and skillbase setting up your systems to be as bulletproof as possible, with multiple level contingencies and $ImpressiveTechnicalJargon, you're free to outsource my position to company in a developing nation for 1/10th my wage to do nothing but babysit cron jobs and remotely reboot a crashed switch.

      Building in a little safety net may not be the best for your business, but it's the best for me. Corporate $Country isn't looking out for the workers anymore, so they're having to look out for themselves. I'm not going to cost you hundreds of thousands of dollars in manufactured downtime and easily avoided failures, but by the same token I'm not going to have my damn hard work rewarded with redundancy because my setup is awesome and your boss wants to get a new Mercedes.

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    22. Re:I would fire you for that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The flip side to being "one deep" is you are more valuable. I would lean towards hoarding knowledge and being on-call. I don't WANT my employer to be comfortable functioning without me.

      This is a short term strategy. You are valuable but also are a single point of failure. You can bet your managers are developing a strategy to replace you.

    23. Re:I would fire you for that by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Good for you man. Fire his sorry butt. Problem is that way too many places don't allow for more than one person to perform particular functions. We don't have journeymen or people in training these days. That is too big a drag on the overhead. The shareholders or CEO could better use that money. So if one person can do it, then one person it is. I've lost a lot of vacation and personal days and holidays over the years because of that. Being indispensable ain't all it's cracked up to be.

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    24. Re:I would fire you for that by man_of_mr_e · · Score: 1

      The problem here is that trust is a two-way street. If a person felt their job was safe if they were to train others in it, then it wouldn't be an issue. All too often, the business makes it clear that they're not invaluable, and open to being replaced if they don't do this or that... So that just makes the person try to make it harder for them to be fired.

    25. Re:I would fire you for that by morari · · Score: 1

      I don't know where you have worked or what has happened to you to make you so jaded about employment, but trust me that it doesn't need to be that way.

      What happened is that I naively thought that hard work would get me ahead in the corporate world. I found out the hard way that all you get from that is exploited and discarded. After two or three times of this happening over a ten year span, I tried doing what everyone else was doing: very little. Y'know what? Employers constantly compliment me on my work now, and promotions have been pretty abundant. I fit in now. I don't make my peers (and hence the managers) look bad by comparison. I do less and am generally much happier about it.

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    26. Re:I would fire you for that by shentino · · Score: 1

      There are folks at either end of the spectrum that are happy to castigate the other one.

      The real answer is "pay attention to your corporate culture and be adaptive".

      You can get nailed for doing something in one business that would get you shitcanned if you didn't do it in another.

      There is no one size fits all solution. Just be adaptive and pay attention to your corporate culture.

    27. Re:I would fire you for that by laurelraven · · Score: 1

      Many companies don't spend any more time cross-training than they have to, there's always work to do and being productive always preempts being non-productive. Same with documentation... Personally I've had it too much the other way around, nobody really wanted to or had the skills to do what I do so I didn't hoard it, I was trapped by it.

      I would argue that any time productivity becomes an issue, the company has likely decided to 1) run the department under-staffed, and 2) overwork their employees. 100% productivity is actually a bad thing, in the long term; employees burn out way faster, meaning you get higher turn around (which costs money, good-will from employees, and often reputation to a degree), and people wind up turning in to single points of failure. Giving some amount of non-productive time on the clock has been found to be quite beneficial to the employer, as they have time to document what they know, cross-train others so they CAN take a vacation, and learn new skills or work on projects that will be of benefit to the employer more often than not.

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  32. Re:I don't know what the solution is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Another poster mentioned the necessity of understanding how other people in the organization think and communicate. I think this is critical in any technical role, as half of what you do is ensuring that people understand the value of what you do. They could find a dozen warm bodies on the street to fill my chair and do the physical things that I do, but my mind and my ability to look for better ways to do things is what makes me valuable.

    Be that guy and no matter how capable others in the organization are of doing your job, you never lose your value to a good manager.

  33. My boss is very important to my company... by thatbloke83 · · Score: 1

    As such, he also has a habit of making sure that when he does go on holiday, it's normally to the middle of nowhere where he gets no mobile signal and especially no internet for a week so that he isn't bothered by work stuff.

    On the other side of the coin, that same boss recently asked me to drop 9 days off that i had booked off down to 4 days, as we're nearing crunch time for a critical project that will set us up for much much more work in the future if we get it right - I'm not going to get those 5 days of holiday back, as i'll have no chance to use them for the rest of the year, but they are at least going to sort me out with an appropriate bonus of some sort, so I figured why not :)

    Fortunately, I like my job, the people I work with and my boss so as I didn't really have any plans for my holiday time (they fell through) it was an easy decision for me...

  34. Would not be surprising at all by sjbe · · Score: 1

    This beggers belief, the IT department of a major law firm don't keep a single harddrive as backup and don't have a standby system in place for just such an eventuality as a failed harddrive ..

    I wouldn't be shocked by this at all. I've seen several companies keep all their financial records on a 10+ year old PC with NO backups of any kind. This sort of behavior is not uncommon. You would be shocked at how many companies (even big ones) are playing a game of Russian roulette with their IT systems.

  35. Common issues by meerling · · Score: 2

    You wouldn't believe how many people I've talked to in a panic because they are having an issue and need to access the server, but the ONLY person with the key or password is unreachable. (On vacation with no contact number, not responding for some reason, or in a couple of cases, recently deceased.)

    I know security people will often tell you to limit these things, especially passwords, so that only one person has it and it's not written down. Ignore that. You need to control access, but not so tightly that if one thing goes wrong your company is screwed. Always have a password log, and have it stored in a safe and fireproof location. Same with duplicate keys. It's actually safest if there are 2 backups, and at least one kept at a separate location. (In case of fire, flood, building blowing up, etc.) Obviously keep those secure, like in a safe. Is this 100% security on those things? No, but there's no such thing as 100% security, but it will allow you to keep reasonable security and acceptable ability to respond to emergencies. Both are important, and ignoring one to favor the other will eventually leave you screwed.

    And follow the same advice for backups, you need them, they may fail, and they can get destroyed just like everything else. (Easier in a lot of cases.)

    1. Re:Common issues by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      The company I'm at has a hardcopy list of passwords in a bank safety deposit box. The owner and manager, as well as myself, have access to that box. If I'm unavailable and something needs to be done, the passwords are available, and are secure.

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    2. Re:Common issues by Glonoinha · · Score: 3, Informative

      Print them out.
      Put them in an envelope.
      Seal the envelope, and sign across where it is sealed.
      Let 'whoever' know where they are, and if the envelope is opened you want a damn good reason for it.
      If the envelope disappears or is compromised without a good reason, you know to change the passwords.

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    3. Re:Common issues by Thugthrasher · · Score: 2

      You wouldn't believe how many people I've talked to in a panic because they are having an issue and need to access the server, but the ONLY person with the key or password is unreachable. (On vacation with no contact number, not responding for some reason, or in a couple of cases, recently deceased.) I know security people will often tell you to limit these things, especially passwords, so that only one person has it and it's not written down. Ignore that. You need to control access, but not so tightly that if one thing goes wrong your company is screwed.

      This is something a lot of IT (especially IT security) doesn't always get. We are there to provide service for the company. We are there to make things EASIER for the company. If you get TOO strict with your security, you are going to hurt productivity. Sometimes it's worth it (let's say it is the security related to a database containing customer's credit card numbers/social security numbers/etc), sometimes it's not (server passwords, user password resets, etc.). It's important to make the call. Sometimes the best security practices are just not appropriate.

    4. Re:Common issues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As an adendum to this, the one case in IT where "not being a target" actually does apply to most buisnesses is with regard to physical items in a locked safe. Unless your company is an outlier there isn't a Ocean's Eleven style heist being planned to break in and steal the admin password to your email server.

      Also if you keep the password safe next to the server you don't need to worry about off site backups for uour password. Chances are anything that trashes the safe will have killed ther server also so you don't need the password anymore.

  36. I like the following excerpt from the article: by drolli · · Score: 1

    The CEO and the power user were mortified that they couldn't figure out which button to push, says Laping, but this particular machine was a Dell rack server with a flat design rather than the tower configuration with which the men were more familiar.

    The two kept pushing a button that was for adjusting the display, not turning the unit on and off. When nothing happened, they panicked.

    Wait! The "Power User" has never seen the system restarting? He did not even know how to find the manual? The CEO and the power user where not able to take a photo and mail it so that a nice red mark could be placed and sent back, but they panicked over a server which is down?

    1. Re:I like the following excerpt from the article: by PPH · · Score: 1

      He did not even know how to find the manual?

      We had a IT supervisor (we were in engineering) that was tasked to support us and our web server in the event engineering staff wasn't around to fix it. I had a 3 ring binder* with detailed instructions on how to maintain practically anything on the system. So he asks why it isn't in in 'digital' format, loaded onto the very web server that his people are going to be trying to fix in the middle of the night.

      *You can read the contents of a notebook even if the lights are out if you have a flashlight.

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  37. Re:I don't know what the solution is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trust and maturity? You mean delusional, holier-than-thou, naivete. I've known people who got tossed on their ass because they completed their project to spec, with a high degree of quality, reliable performance, on time, and under budget. Why? Because management won't fire the people on an half done project. And, they where the only ones finished.

  38. Re:I don't know what the solution is by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 1

    Indeed, and there are plenty of organizations which have that trust and maturity as part of their culture. Unfortunately, there are also a lot that don't. Personally, I've been extraordinarily lucky in my working life; the couple of times I've found myself working at places that pushed the "everyone has to be a superhero" mentality, or had such poor communication that it was nearly impossible to find out what people actually needed, have also been when the economy was doing well and there were better jobs available. In the current economic mess, people caught in that situation have a lot fewer options.

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  39. Re:Vacation? How about WEEKENDS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Depending on his reserves, he might not be around when the economy improves :-P

  40. Re:Vacation? How about WEEKENDS? by JoeWalsh · · Score: 1

    Just wait until the economy improves, this guy is going to be in a world of hurt when there is a mass exodus.

    Eh, that'll be in 10 years if we're lucky, at this rate.

  41. Easy solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just don't answer my work phone when I'm on vacation or not on call. Sure, maybe someday someone will consider me non-essential, but at least I'm not stressed out all the time. If you answer calls when you're not on the clock you're just encouraging that sort of behaviour and showing your boss why he doesn't need to hire another IT person.

  42. For now anyway by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    but if it's one thing our ruling class is good at, it's screwing guys like you. Look at the IT field. They spent 10 years frantically training people for jobs that were being sent overseas (or given to H1-B visas). Hell, during the worst unemployment in 80 years they're arguing for MORE H1-B visas. There's even a law firm that specializing in telling businesses how to offer a job without having to hire an American (they're videos on youtube of them, too lazy to google right now).

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    1. Re:For now anyway by Nursie · · Score: 1

      Very true, I'm sure within the company I work for (it's huge) there are people right now trying to figure out how to do my job with machines, or replace me with cheaper overseas labour.

      Fortunately the cheaper, overseas option has been tried several times and been shown not cost effective. And there seem to be enough opportunities around at the moment should I need them. I hope it stays that way!

      (BTW, not American or in America, it's comparative boomtime here in Western Australia)

  43. You really have no idea by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    what it's like in the rest of the world, do you? In India, China and the 2nd and 3rd world, you don't got to 'choose to stop working longer hours'. It's a rough scramble for bare existence. That's what the super wealthy want here. Right now they're allowing the the luxury. For one thing, you've forgotten what unemployment insurance is really for. It's to keep the unemployed from desperately flooding the job market and removing that choice from you. For another thing, you've forgotten that people in this country DIED for the 40 hour work week, and I don't mean guys in trenches, I mean union strikers beaten to death by (privately hired) jackboot thugs.

    Never forget this: No matter how little you have, there's always someone that can make himself rich if he takes it away from you and a million others.

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    1. Re:You really have no idea by xero314 · · Score: 1

      For another thing, you've forgotten that people in this country DIED for the 40 hour work week, and I don't mean guys in trenches, I mean union strikers beaten to death by (privately hired) jackboot thugs.

      Not to say that unions are bad, because I believe in unionization, or to say that people did not die because of their union affiliation, but that is not why we have 40 hour work weeks. We have 40 hour work weeks, and 5 day work weeks, because of information from Henry Ford. Ford discovered that the affectiveness of employees was achieved at a peak number of hours and with certain amounts of down time in between. The numbers Ford discovered where not exactly 40 hours or 5 day out of seven, but based on our 24 hour day and the 7 day week, it was a very close approximation to have a 40 hour/5 day work week. Ultimately we have a 40 hour work week because that is how you can get the most work out of a person.

      In case you can't look it up yourself.

      It's also been shown that knowledge workers, those that aren't repetitive manual labor, actual start to cost the company more after a certain number of hours due to increased number of mistakes.

    2. Re:You really have no idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes, and then Ford Co hired thugs to smash up those who had the temerity to ask for what Ford had found to be true.

      so did GM.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Bennett Ford's unionbuster

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flint_Sit-Down_Strike the UAW struck after GM refused to negotiate.

      people DID die to give us the 40 hour week. don't give it away.

  44. No go by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    you're right, it's happening because we allow it, but it's broader than IT. The only way to stop cowering in fear of losing our jobs is to force our society to put up a permanent and complete safety net. That means unemployment benefits that don't run out, ever, and it means not getting our panties in a bunch if some lazy bloke doesn't want to work at all.

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    1. Re:No go by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      In the UK we have another protection: constructive dismissal.

      "An employer must not, without reasonable or proper cause, conduct himself in a manner calculated or likely to destroy or seriously damage the relationship of trust and confidence between the employer and the employee."

      In other words if your boss makes your job impossible and ends up firing you or making you quit due to stress etc. then they are in the wrong. Demanding vast amounts of overtime constantly would certainly count. The main thing is to document what is happening so that you can refer to it in an employment tribunal if needs be, although hopefully it won't come to that.

      It is scary when your livelihood is at stake but the parent and GP are both right, we need to stand up for ourselves. Unions are a good start.

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    2. Re:No go by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      Everyone gets unemployment benefits that never run out, and we can't get mad if "some lazy bloke doesn't want to work at all"?

      I think your estimate of how many "lazy blokes" there are is VERY underestimated... In fact, the very post you're responding to says "I work to enable me to enjoy the rest of my life, not for its own sake."

      If I could get paid (enough to live on) without working.. would I do it? Uhh, yeah.

  45. Happened once by PPH · · Score: 3, Interesting

    They panicked at Boeing when they couldn't get me after hours. So I told them to hire backup. They transfered a guy in from IT who (supposedly) knew Perl (and other stuff). So, on the first day when I was showing him the ropes, I opened up one of the CGI files to show him some of our coding style and conventions. He stared at the file for a few minutes
    (with #! /usr/bin/perl staring him right in the face) and asked, "What language is this written in?"

    Management had a bad habit of calling everyone down to the shop floor at any hour if any little thing went wrong. I had remote login capability and could generally fix anything from home. One night, I get a call. Panic! All hands to the shop! So I ask, "What's the problem? Maybe I can fix it from here." I'm told I've got an attitude problem. So I get dressed and drive in. An hour and a half later, after reading the error message on the ATE equipment console, sure enough, a 15 minute fix from any terminal in the world.

    Often, crisis are engineered to make people look important. Build a system that never dies and nobody notices you. Build one that causes trouble (or hire people who move their lips when they code to maintain it) and you get noticed. And promoted. We had a saying at Boeing: Heads roll uphill.

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    1. Re:Happened once by DaMattster · · Score: 1

      The funny thing is, there would have been less down time had you been allowed to fix the issue remotely and you get accused of having an attitude problem. You just can't win anymore.

    2. Re:Happened once by garyebickford · · Score: 1

      When I was at Schlumberger a while back, I was fortunate in that my manager was very aware that for our group, 'no news was good news' - he knew that when we were doing our job, nothing would happen. And he kept his manager aware of that for a long time. Later our group became visible due to our success, and got 'adopted' by an idiot VP. I was the last one to leave. I gave them eight months notice, and they were still unable to find a replacement until after I was gone. He couldn't figure anything out. A couple of years later the VP and the group were all gone.

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    3. Re:Happened once by PPH · · Score: 2

      Yeah. But I think management has a problem with the mental image of someone working a problem while sitting at their home PC in ratty boxer shorts. Or worse yet .... naked.

      Seriously, when managers don't really have any power they need to create the image of having it. They do so by seeing how many people they can get to jump at their command.

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    4. Re:Happened once by fatrat · · Score: 1

      He stared at the file for a few minutes (with #! /usr/bin/perl staring him right in the face) and asked, "What language is this written in?"

      I often get that feeling looking at Perl code :)

    5. Re:Happened once by ginbot462 · · Score: 1

      >> Build one that causes trouble (or hire people who move their lips when they code to maintain it) and you get noticed. And promoted. We had a saying at Boeing: Heads roll uphill.

      That explains my past dealings with Boeing! I kid, the engineers I worked with are just like any other (average) bunch (honorable); .... really, its the corp mandated paranoia present to many corps. Don't send that developer the manual without 5 gov't signoff; their 3 man organization is after our buisness.

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  46. It's called CMM and CMMI by thetoastman · · Score: 2

    It's called CMM Level 3.

    If a service is business critical, it had best be at least the following:

    1. Documented

    This means the process is documented well enough so that a reasonably experienced person coming in off the street should be able to muddle through it successfully. This also means that there is budget for documentation.

    2. Trained

    This means that all people responsible (and their backups) are trained on how to perform these critical functions. This means that there is budget for training.

    3. Consistent

    All people responsible (and their backups) perform the same task in the same manner. This means that there is budget for performance verification (auditing).

    CMM level 3 does not eliminate fire drills or IT crises. It does make them less frequent, more manageable, and of shorter duration.

    Downtime is lost productivity. Downtime is lost opportunity. Downtime is lost sales. Downtime means missed deadlines. The cost of these issues can (or should be able to) be determined.

    Risk mitigation and cost avoidance are critical components of any business plan. If your business organization does not have these components in place, a disaster will occur.

    If your business is a public company, expect institutional investors, major stockholders, and the stock market to punish the business when the disaster occurs. If your business is a private company, you may not recover from a serious infrastructure failure.

    IT management needs to be able to articulate the implementation costs and infrastructure risks. Business management needs to be able to articulate the business costs and business risks. Senior or "C" level executives need to match costs and risks so that the appropriate CMM level can be chosen and reached.

    This is not rocket science. CMM has been around for about 20 years. CMMI (the successor to CMM) has been around for 9-10 years.

    1. Re:It's called CMM and CMMI by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1

      But management figures "IT Risk" is the IT manager's problem to fix in his budget and they don't have to worry about it. I was about ready to swear at the head accountant at my company for just that reason a few weeks ago. Our office location is in a place next to an Oil & Gas depot and in the last 10 year HAS had the situation where a leak causes the Sheriff to block the roads and turn off power to the block. This guy is supposed to be "in charge" of the company but has zero competency in this basic idea. The other extreme is a different manger that complains if they're going to "waste time" on the project why does it only cover IT? So they want to make the project so endlessly complex nobody will ever approve it.

      For the most part IT just wants this stuff written down... and the agreement that the 10 members of the IT Steering Committee (from non-IT departments) will take some responsibility to MANAGE and know where the plan is at. If you don't have time for EVERY possibility, at least have time to document them so that NEXT TIME (and there is ALWAYS a next time) recovery is that much quicker.

  47. If you were interviewing with me by epseps · · Score: 1

    and your resume and references were up to date and you described that work situation to me; I would say to myself: "Hmmm...this guy can put up with a lot of work and a lot of demands. This is a sometimes stressful position but I bet it would be a paid vacation to him"

    But of course you would not mention sloppy work in the interview, you would say "I was worried that my work might be suffering due to long hours so I decided to seek another position" (if the question was brought up).

    Anyway, I cannot be unique in thinking this. What you have to do is start looking for another job, send out resumes left and right. Craft those resumes and cover letters to target the position you want, have many resumes that are worded differently and have many cover letters so after a while you just make a few modifications and send them out.

    You have to do this so that another group can take advantage of your awesome work ethic (who will treat you better) and so you can keep your sanity, and ...most importantly so your work doesn't suffer so much that you lose your reputation. If you work hard, too hard and you crack, you will be amazed at how fast the people who were prodding you on with dangerous work hours will turn against you.

    Its like those horror movies of the 80's. A spirit voice said "Get Out!" and walls bleed, children get sucked into television static and yet the family decides to "tough it out". In the end there is a hole in the ground, a murderous man running around in a fedora, arterial spray and glowing eyes that promise a sequel. What they don't show is the family saying "hmmmm....we should have got out when it asked us to leave".

    1. Re:If you were interviewing with me by Ephemeriis · · Score: 1

      What you have to do is start looking for another job

      I have been looking... Kind of... Half-heartedly...

      Honestly, by the time I get home, I'm exhausted. And then there's the normal housework stuff to take care of. And trying to cram in family time.

      Looking for a job, when I've already got one, seems like a very low-priority task.

      Its like those horror movies of the 80's. A spirit voice said "Get Out!" and walls bleed, children get sucked into television static and yet the family decides to "tough it out". In the end there is a hole in the ground, a murderous man running around in a fedora, arterial spray and glowing eyes that promise a sequel. What they don't show is the family saying "hmmmm....we should have got out when it asked us to leave".

      You certainly have a way with words....

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    2. Re:If you were interviewing with me by jeremyp · · Score: 1

      Honestly, by the time I get home, I'm exhausted. And then there's the normal housework stuff to take care of. And trying to cram in family time.

      Looking for a job, when I've already got one, seems like a very low-priority task.

      The former of these sentences demonstrates absolutely that the latter is false. If you're always exhausted by the time you get home from work and you have to "cram in" family time, finding a better job is your absolute highest priority.

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    3. Re:If you were interviewing with me by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      No, I think you misunderestimate (I love that GWBism, despite the double negative) the level of despair to which some toxic jobs lead. One hates the job, but it leaves one so drained that one doesn't have the energy or motivation to seek another. It takes a real effort to break that cycle.

  48. Re:Vacation? How about WEEKENDS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If I had a boss like that, I would frag him/her. Literally. There would be so many suspects, if you were even a little bit careful you wouldn't get caught. It worked in 'Nam, it would work here.

  49. Re:Vacation? How about WEEKENDS? by gl4ss · · Score: 1

    is it government projects? what the guy is doing is maximizing billing for the customer and you guys are just fodder in that. if it just works, he can't keep on sending the bills and the project is hostage in that, if they stop paying the bills the deal goes off(and so do the workforce).

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  50. Re:Vacation? How about WEEKENDS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Sounds like a violation of labor laws to me.

  51. My advice to avoid this by epseps · · Score: 3, Informative

    Before I was in charge of hiring for my team, my managers employed a guy who didn't know anything because they did not check his references for some reason. He would always call me while I was on vacation because a simple procedure that he should have known was confusing him. Later our company cell phones were switched from Verizon to AT&T and AT&T had no signal in the Aosta Valley in the Italian Alps.

    That is where I would go on vacations.

    So if you have AT&T, go to the lovely Aosta Valley but do not cross over into France or else your voicemail will be filled with messages.

    1. Re:My advice to avoid this by zhuzhu · · Score: 1

      Before I was in charge of hiring for my team, my managers employed a guy who didn't know anything because they did not check his references for some reason. He would always call me while I was on vacation because a simple procedure that he should have known was confusing him. Later our company cell phones were switched from Verizon to AT&T and AT&T had no signal in the Aosta Valley in the Italian Alps.

      That is where I would go on vacations.

      So if you have AT&T, go to the lovely Aosta Valley but do not cross over into France or else your voicemail will be filled with messages.

      you are right.

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  52. There are other causes for this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm in the IT department at my company.... I'm pretty sure if the Director of the department and our single Network Admin left simultaneously for any reason, the IT portion of the company would completely collapse.

    This isn't the fault of people loading things onto them or what not, it's primarily the fault of an unwillingness to share information about the job. The rest of the department CAN'T start taking over to ease their load and their single point of failure, because we don't get told about things we need to know to do that.

    It's infuriating a lot of the time.

  53. I sysadmined a 9/11 emergency call center by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was one of two sysadmins at a 9/11 call center (Fire, Ambulance) for a city of (over) a million people. Unix servers, unix workstations, oracle on microsoft databases (data and GIS maps), GPS location tracking, telephone company number/address data spills, traffic light controls, NTP (time data) spills, trunking radio interfaces, station alert scada interfaces, etc, etc. The other guy went on vacation. The software vendors main software support guy went on vacation. The server that interfaces with all of the data interfaces (I just mentioned) dies (at 11:45 at night) due to hard disk failure --it had only been running non stop for a little over 10 years--, although I seem to recall that it looked like the 50 ohm SCSI terminator seemed to be missing. There are no software backups of the software, just the training machine. Its a proprietary unix box, so change the name of the machine and its network IP address in the bios (the only place you can change it on that machine), then reconfigure all of the software to have it act as the primary machine (had to change the IP address because some of the proprietary software didn't use gethostbyname() for interfaces but instead had hard coded IP addresses in the software when the vendor compiled it on the machine...bad,bad,bad). There were also 48, 25 pin serial cables on the back of the old machine that had to be swapped to the new machine. I had to have the hardware vendor swap memory from the (now dead) main box to the secondary the next day as the box was limited in (proprietary unix) memory. I was done in a rather anxious 90 minutes, including getting all of the oracle databases resynced. I suppose it was faster that I had no one to call. When I went on holidays though, I would leave the phone and pager in the desk drawer at work. I'm not in charge of life and death, just the computers. I'm not in charge of putting water on fires, nor am I responsible for all the CPR done in the city. If the system can't generate a shortest (street) path using Djikstras algorithm, then its my problem, but emergency vehicles are allowed to go down one way streets the wrong way. All the crews are on duty when they are on, and not on duty when they are off. When I'm on and all hell breaks loose at about midnight, then I'm on, but when I'm on holidays, then I'm off. I insist!

    1. Re:I sysadmined a 9/11 emergency call center by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Congratulations. I've never seen anyone spell 911 wrong.

  54. Re:and that lead to the hit by bus problem what to by morari · · Score: 1

    This is of course where carefully laid out employment agreements come in. Unions used to be damn good about making sure you didn't fall into "cross-training" bullshit without the proper compensation. If I'm trained to fill two or three roles, and are expected to do so when need be, I am at least two or three times more valuable... right?

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  55. Vaction is overtime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where I work we have a small 24x7 onsite team. So when someone takes time off the rest of the team breaks their backs to cover. Then they need relief when you return, so you then in turn to do overtime. End result is hours are moved from one week to the next instead of the time being taken off.

    I do get paid overtime so I'm told not to complain. Don't get me wrong I don't mind the overtime pay, but I did ask for the time off that's allotted to me in my contract not overtime.

    I feel really burned out after years of this.. If you are a manager and reading this, please consider it...

  56. Be glad if you've got ANY vacation by hillbluffer · · Score: 2

    The companies I've worked for spent as little as possible on I.T. including personnel. They don't CARE about the future; they want money NOW, and hiring more people costs money. As for digging in youjr heels and refusing; with all the unemployment, they can fire you, and hire a replacement in less than a day, and go on with "business" as usual. Be glad if you've got ANY vacation; the trend now is to make I.T. personnel "independant contractors" and give them NO benefits at all, and NO vacation.

  57. Re:I don't know what the solution is by Darinbob · · Score: 1

    The stories I looked at from the article definitely had a lot of suckers playing the hero. Such as they guy who drove two hours to push a power button. I'm and absolutely positive that they could have called some dork at the Geek Barn who could have found the button to push, or called up the temp agency, etc. If you say "I'm sorry, I'm on vacation on the beach right now with my family" and the management fails to say "I'm sorry, I'll call someone else, have a nice time" then you should look for a new job as soon as possible.

  58. LEarn from our Chinese neighbors by Dainsanefh · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Your suggestion will work if we allow to BAN the republican party and also BAN Christianity.

    Otherwise, only civil war and revocation of the constitution will stop the rich white euro-trash from enslaving the rest of the population.

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    1. Re:LEarn from our Chinese neighbors by ikkonoishi · · Score: 1

      Also we would need some sort of system to make sure that people didn't just spend the rest of their lives collecting the unemployment. Maybe put cameras and microphones in their tvs.

    2. Re:LEarn from our Chinese neighbors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am sure people will bore to death if they don't do something productive and just sit and collect their check. Your flawed arguement is the exact type that the republicons used, and it was proven false.

    3. Re:LEarn from our Chinese neighbors by Dainsanefh · · Score: 2

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  59. Re:and that lead to the hit by bus problem what to by sorak · · Score: 1

    This is of course where carefully laid out employment agreements come in. Unions used to be damn good about making sure you didn't fall into "cross-training" bullshit without the proper compensation. If I'm trained to fill two or three roles, and are expected to do so when need be, I am at least two or three times more valuable... right?

    Sorry, but in my organization, if they can make you learn two or three roles, then they know you're willing to put up with or two or three times as much crap. It's the guy who threatens to quit who actually becomes valuable.

  60. trigger happy? by bzipitidoo · · Score: 1

    What's with people escalating to the max at the first hint of trouble? Did you a) talk with them first? Try to persuade them their thinking is incorrect? And set things up so they could not make them indispensable? Which is good to do regardless. Then if none of that worked, did you warn them? Or you b) went straight for the throat? Sure sounds like you did b). If workers weren't so damn cheap, disposable and replaceable, you'd quickly change your attitude. Because if you didn't, you wouldn't have anyone left to manage.

    Plus, with a different attitude on your part, you might discover that your employees are less inclined to try such things. It would also help immensely if jobs were plentiful, but admittedly there's not much 1 manager can do about that. Still, you could do somewhat so they would feel less pressured and paranoid. So many businesses make the employee-employer relationship so damned adversarial, always act like the average employee is a stupid, light fingered slacker who has to be forced to work for their own good. Micromanaged so they don't screw up or off.

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    1. Re:trigger happy? by shentino · · Score: 1

      Managers are dicks because they can be. They sit on the regal step up on the totem pole that lets them play God with your career.

      Since they can always shitcan you and get someone else who's eager for the job, they have no real incentive to cultivate a cordial working environment. They are free to give into their natural instincts and alpha male their subordinates into submission.

  61. One way to address it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've dealt with this in the tech world, not just IT, for almost 40 years. The first thing is to make a list of what you are supposed to be doing, with estimates of how long it will take. Then LET YOUR MANAGER prioritize. Then publish the list and watch the fur fly. Graciously drop whatever you're doing for re-prioritization, but immediately re-estimate the work, including time lost in the change. Oh, and NEVER plan work outside of normal working hours unless they are willing to pay. You may end up working the extra hours, but, as Mr. Scott noted, then you seem like a miracle worker. And any questions about priorities you refer to your boss. That's why they pay him the big bucks.

    My experience is that this brings on a 'What do you really need?" discussion in about 4 days.

  62. Saving account helps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Go on vacation. To hell with your job.

    My father gave me great advice: always have a "Fuck You Fund." Told me to work my ass off and bank a years salary (in addition to retirement savings). This was great advice that I am glad I took. A years current salary in the bank means they can kiss my ass if they even attempt such a trespass like impose on my holiday.

    That said I would never tell anyone this at work. I maintain a nice demeanor. A helpful attitude also helps a lot. Sun Zhu The Art of War I suppose.

    I simply smile, give them plenty of notice of my vacation plans, and I go.

  63. Re:Vacation? How about WEEKENDS? by Thing+1 · · Score: 1

    You do realize, I hope, that "anonymous" only means "people reading this don't know your IP". It doesn't, however, also mean "people subpoenaing this place don't know your IP". One should not recommend illegal courses of action. (Wait, did I just?)

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  64. Re:and that lead to the hit by bus problem what to by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1

    Look at it this way.. at least your fiance "got out" before all the shit hit the fan!!! Wait for the phone calls and bring the marshmallows!

    If a company is THAT utterly, and completely irresponsible that they would fire somebody from a department without cause while the boss is out for medical treatment they deserve what they'll get. Trouble is that somebody with a job will work 65+ hours a week to bail them out and things will limp along.. standards will just go down.. but you'll have your downsizing numbers for the quarter!

  65. If you're so indispensable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you're so indispensable they have to call you in on vacation etc, when you come back is a good time to ask for a raise. "what you'd you do without me"

    1. Re:If you're so indispensable by jacobsm · · Score: 1

      I worked my ass off most of last year, didn't get a spot bonus and they thought a 3% raise was generous.

  66. Road Trip by jacobsm · · Score: 2

    I'm going on a 16 day road trip later this month. I'll have my cell phone but I'm not going to be able to VPN into work while driving. Last year I took some time off and received work related phone calls, including requests to join conference calls 7 of my 9 days off.

    We're understaffed and there's very limited backup support for the high level technical support staff.

  67. IT is always short staffed worse than nursing. by CAIMLAS · · Score: 2

    Good fucking luck.

    Chances are, most functional organizations under 400 hundred people have only one or MAYBE two people who can effectively troubleshoot a bad outage. Sure, they may have an IT staff of 3, 4, 5, 10... but chances are, they're not of the 'sysadmin' type. They're frontline support, most likely, and deal mostly with Windows workstations and servers. For any crucial role, there is no more than one capable person on hand in most IT organizations. The pay masters wouldn't hear of duplicated functionality (that's inefficient!).

    After all, if something in IT breaks, the worst management sees that can happen (unlike a dead body from neglegence/overworking your staff) is for there to be a fired employee. They don't see the big picture.

    Sure, it's nice to feel needed. It's job security. But it's better to be needed and have someone else who can help pull the weight while you're sitting on a beach with a drink in hand, live a little longer, and have your resume ready to go. Being unemployed for a long period of time isn't half as bad as month after month of high-stress environments where you're pressed with "fix it now under pressure" or "I'm completely burnt out and can't maintain this level of service".

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  68. Schedule a disaster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Add two extra days buffer to your vacation.

    Script in a disaster to call you in on the second day.

    Scream and complain that this has:
    1) Cost you money
    2) Ruined your vacation

    Insist upon
    1) Financial compensation
    2) Extra Time in Lieu

    If you're smart holiday just got paid for and doubled.

  69. Re:The problem is the question by Macgrrl · · Score: 2

    *Boggle* At 2 years in the business you think you know it all? Vacation time exists for a reason, the same as the 40 hour week. People are more productive if they get a reasonable break every now and again (some studies say a minimum of 2 weeks interrupted at a time is required to reset stress levels to base). Even people doing what they love need a vacation.

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  70. Vacation not as bad as quitting by tompaulco · · Score: 3, Interesting

    We had one IT person who handled keeping about 50 servers up and running, 3 or 4 domains, multiple websites, 30 laptops, 3 different FTP servers, communications with the outside agencies that were sending us data, RFPs, customer support, and who knows what else. He quit for another company where he will probably have 1/4 of the job duties, will not have to work weekends, and will get paid more. Our company has not hired a replacement yet. The first IT related issue that came up was a failed backup that occurred about 12 hours after he quit (failed on a weekend). The next one occurred about 24 hours later when a client locked their FTP account because they can't remember their password, and nobody could figure out how to reset it. They eventually had to call him and ask. That debacle resulted in about 200 hours of unpaid overtime.
    Supposedly, they are interviewing replacements, but so far I think they are patting themselves on the back for saving money (about half an IT person's salary, as a guess) and spreading around his work mostly to the overworked development group, including myself, who are now getting surprisingly little development done.

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    1. Re:Vacation not as bad as quitting by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      Wow, that scenario is surprisingly similar to an environment I got out of a couple months ago, except about half the servers were virtual hosts, running multiple server instances, and I had to contend with a great deal of boss "hey, I know you're busy, but spend 20 minutes looking at this little problem for me because i can't figure it out" (which was ultimately 1-2 hours a day).

      Except, I asked for management to keep their word from my initial hiring and to meet my initial pay requirements. Instead, I got a 2% increase and what amounted to "you're lucky you're getting any at all, here are the projects you're not getting done, and this is what we need done by the end of a month".

      So I gave myself walking orders, but not before a large degree of employer hostility for said fact. They still haven't hired a replacement, and I know their remaining competent, non-neurotic asset is thinking of walking as well, soon to leave them as a shell support and marketing company. I'm making three times as much now, with substantially better benefits and a better boss (I'm making the calls), getting things done, and generally enjoying myself.

      Don't sell yourself short in those situations. If you're good and know it, and getting stepped on, get out.

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  71. Re:and that lead to the hit by bus problem what to by 24-bit+Voxel · · Score: 1

    The last company I contracted for made me work two days after I had back surgery. I fielded calls from underlings while in the ER. Good times.

  72. Re:and that lead to the hit by bus problem what to by ZeroExistenZ · · Score: 1

    Make person work from the hospital room high on pain killers? What if they are to out of it to work?

    You kid, but I worked remote with acute pnuemonia to complete a project and later to help a developer find his way around it.

    The same happened when I was home a month with mononucleosis; I remotely wrote a telephone service platform to cut time.

    Or in the last 4 years I have dropped about 120 holidays.

    Just until I couldn't take it much longer and was bordering burn-out. I've settled for a less demanding job now.

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  73. perception vs. reality by Tom · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Giving up vacation days because you couldn't use them, interrupting vacations or cutting them short for work - if you find yourself anywhere near that list, you're a fucking idiot, and the one you're fucking is yourself. And that was the polite way of putting it.

    A few years ago, I've had to become a bit of an expert in vacations for business reasons (negotiations regarding vacation times, rules, company procedures, etc.). Two things are absolutely frightening when you do that.
    One is that we need vacations at all - for thousands of years, there was no such thing. That's because work has become condensed to a point where it's detrimental to health at good times.
    Two is how little almost everyone, employers, employees, even most union people, realize how important vacations and other free times are. I've seen many people crash and burn in those years and lack of vacations, interruptions of off-work time and not being able to "shut down" when you leave work were almost always present and at least contributing factors.

    In all those years, I have encountered one group of people who can do that, who can go on without vacations and free days and suffer no ill consequences. These people share two important characteristics: One is that their time is self-determined to a large degree. In other words: They could close up shop and go away for a few days at any time if only they wanted. They have no boss pressure and no customer pressure that would stop them, because they've organized their work so that if they ever need to, they can. Obviously, most of them are self-employed, but not all. A great example is a cobbler who has his shop down the street from where I live: The official opening times of his shop, as posted in the window, are: "When I'm here."
    Two, these people work their dream. They do what they want to do, they have meaning in their jobs, and they've cut out as much of the crap as possible, and some that other people thought would not be possible to cut. They never ask themselves "what the fuck am I doing here?".

    None of them make a killing. But they make a living. And I try to be one of them over being rich, but hollow. I've worked with too many so-called "successful" people and seen their dull eyes. Five minutes with someone from the group above and you can never go back into the machinery.

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  74. Repeat to fade by Tomsk70 · · Score: 2

    1) Company wants to maximise profits (painted over as 'saving money') = company follows staff-cutting recommendations that look great on paper.

    2) Company then realises that saving money on paper has left them paying more in contractors to make up for the positions they got rid of = company will be happy to do this if it means they don't have to admit that step 1 was short-sighted.

    3) Company realises that someone will be shot when the figures are presented in the correct way (e.g. how much staffing now costs compared to pre-step 1) = company gets rid of most of the contractors taken on in step 2.

    4) Company now relies on single permanent staff member who eventually quits = company then decides that 'outsourcing is the way to go' for the same reason as listed in step 2.

    I've seen this happen over and over and over, at banks, hospitals, investement companies and councils. In every single instance, they weren't employing enough people to begin with before even reaching Step 1. But the one thing that remains constant is that regardless of the outcome, companies will do *anything* rather than admit a failure and take a step backwards.

    At the bank (one of the biggest), for instance - before the crash;

    "This is Bob, make sure you all spend time with him, we're taking on another 150 servers from X branch"

    "This is the third time this has happened"

    "That's correct. Any questions?"

    "What are you going to do when things go bad?"

    "What?"

    "You've sacked another team"

    "Yes"

    "You're giving the full-time work they were doing to another team that already has full-time work"

    "Yes"

    "Your share price that you force us to look at every time we open a browser has gone from £3.50 to £7 in less than a year"

    "So?"

    "So this isn't belt-tightening, this is greed"

    "What's your point?"

    "My point is - you're acting like companies do when they're against the wall or about to go down, even though this company isn't. So considering you're still behaving as if it is, I'd like to know what you're going to do when things really *do* get sticky, as opposed to pretending they are right now in order to maximise profits".

    "......moving on to the next item on the agenda...."

  75. Re:Vacation? How about WEEKENDS? by Dracolytch · · Score: 1

    And the only thing I can possibly suggest to you only makes the problem worse...

    New job time. Seriously.

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  76. Truck Factor by chrisreichel · · Score: 1

    "... the successful functioning of the IT department shouldn't rest on any one person's shoulders.". This is know as "Truck Factor". http://www.agileadvice.com/archives/2005/05/truck_factor.html

  77. Re:and that lead to the hit by bus problem what to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Make person work from the hospital room high on pain killers? What if they are to out of it to work?"
    I actually had to do that.
    Was so pumped up my wife had to hold the phone to my ear because I kept dropping it.
    I did not and still do not remember the conversation in the least.
    But apparently I walked them through fixing a ODBC connection issue and then got them running an update query to fix/regen a few thousand MEDICAL RECORDS..
    I hope I did not fuck up anyone else life that day by getting their medical insurance claim denied.
    Would be kinda' funny if it messed up payments to the POS hospital I was in though.

  78. Hoarding is a close relative to stealing by sjbe · · Score: 1

    What's with people escalating to the max at the first hint of trouble?

    Who said anything about "escalating to the max"? We're talking generalities here and each circumstance is unique. That said, generally speaking, if someone shows that they intend to ensure their job security by hoarding information and cannot be (very quickly) shown the error of their ways, I would not hesitate to fire them. That is someone who is not looking out for the interests of the organization. That is a problem of ethics, not a problem of skills or training. Keeping someone like that around puts the organization and its members at risk.

    If workers weren't so damn cheap, disposable and replaceable, you'd quickly change your attitude.

    Workers AREN"T cheap or disposable, though usually they are replaceable with considerable effort and expense. If you think people are easy or cheap to replace, you probably haven't ever hired anyone and certainly haven't fired anyone. A typical worker costs tens of thousands of dollars to train for all but the simplest tasks. Companies don't want to fire anyone. Firing someone means something went wrong.

    1. Re:Hoarding is a close relative to stealing by bzipitidoo · · Score: 1

      Firing someone means something went wrong.

      Then you've been in saner work environments, which in my experience and from asking around, are a minority. I see that you carefully did not implicitly assign blame to anyone including the employee, which is good. I've seen people fired for good cause. I agree that people trying to build their own little kingdom for which only they hold the keys is bad, and if I couldn't put a stop to that, if it really was completely unjustified, I would ease them out at the next opportunity. No I have not managed people, but I have taught and there is considerable similarity there. It was hard not to regard a failure on a student's part as a failure on my part. I did all that I could legitimately do to help, but I would not just give them a pass, I insisted that they learn, and I would and have flunked students. Would that more bosses felt that way! There is an excellent STNG episode, "Hollow Pursuits", in which the officers give a new crew member, Barclay, a bad report. Rather than get rid of Barclay as requested, Picard tells them to try harder. But more often I've seen bosses who not only can't be bothered, but are actively playing cheap political games or indulging their pet and very wrong prejudices, and good people fired, or even better, "quitted", for all sorts of dubious reasons. Of course the official reason is always something plausible sounding. And I've seen far too many people elevated to management for the simple reasons that they were loudmouths and sycophants, and this was mistaken for being proactive and like-minded. More often than not, they turn out to be terrible managers.

      The real reason could be as simple as the boss having a power trip and just glorying in firing someone, like The Donald. (In the one instance that I saw, a couple of 20 year plus veterans with good track records were abruptly dismissed, and the company was successfully sued for wrongful termination. The company responded by firing that manager, but that of course was far too late for all his earlier damage and victims.) Or it's to save money by replacing the employee with a younger, cheaper hire. It can also be an object lesson to the survivors. Yes, it hurt the company, but the boss seemed to think that the gains from the lower pay and at the same time scaring everyone else into working harder and more carefully towing the line were worth the losses. The chosen victim is often the most independent employee, someone who is deemed the biggest "flight risk" because they aren't in dire financial straits with a big car payment, crushing mortgage, and a new baby. Or the victim is the scape goat, and the higher ups buy the excuse, perhaps out of a weird sense of solidarity with fellow managers. Or it was out of personal dislike, usually jealousy that the employee was not just good, but better than the boss at something. This kind of idiocy imperils projects, and I've seen them crash and burn thanks to that. Seen companies fail too, though poor handling of employees was not the driving cause but a symptom of larger problems. When the business model is not working, management starts reaching for excuses like that it's all the employees' fault for not working hard enough, or not being smart enough, as if the employees are suddenly supposed to be able to call the shots as well as management could, despite being largely kept in the dark and treated like children. And as if they could do such things without being accused of insubordination and fired.

      Now in an environment like that, it is not going to be surprising that some employees are tempted to cross the line. They are after all only following the fine example they've been set.

      tens of thousands of dollars to train

      I have not seen this. This is a cost that companies have had rather too much success at externalizing. They constantly complain that schools don't prepare students for the real world, which is usually code for the gripe tha

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      Intellectual Property is a monopolistic, selfish, and defective concept. It is "tyranny over the mind of man"
  79. Similar results but different causes/solutions by sjbe · · Score: 1

    If you let your staff horde information and don't actually pay for cross-training time, it's not their fault there's a single-point-of-failure, it it?

    You are correct that what you describe are both failures of management with similar results. However the solutions are very different because the causes are different.

    The information hoarder is putting the organization at risk through his/her own actions. They are attempting to enrich themselves at the expense of the organization. That is an ethics problem and the solution is (usually) to fire the information hoarder.

    If management does not invest in cross training then that is obviously not the workers fault. If anyone is fired for that mistake it should be management. More commonly the answer is simply to start cross training. Better late than never.

  80. Inefficiency != Job Security by sjbe · · Score: 1

    Building in a little safety net may not be the best for your business, but it's the best for me.

    Actually it isn't best for either the company or for you. If you really are valuable, it won't be because you've hoarded information. It will be because you are contributing something truly useful and valuable to the company. If you aren't doing something valuable, then you are a liability and should take whatever skills you have elsewhere. I would fire you in a heartbeat if you were hoarding information or sandbagging on your performance.

    There is a solution for your insecurity. If you don't want to be replaced, start your own company. Prove that you can take the risks and have the skills to succeed. Get your own Mercedes.

  81. Can't be replaced = Can't be promoted by sjbe · · Score: 2

    In the end I resigned and started at a different company simply because I felt I was stuck being an expert in one area they'd never let me leave.

    If you can't be replaced, you can't be promoted. Truer words were never spoken.

  82. Re:and that lead to the hit by bus problem what to by clm1970 · · Score: 1

    The last company I contracted for made me work two days after I had back surgery. I fielded calls from underlings while in the ER. Good times.

    It happens just like you say. True stories from previous employers: Father passes away. At funeral home receiving friends and family expressing condolences. Boss drives 120 miles round trip to express his condolences and while he's there, not 5 feet from Dad's casket, hands me a piece of paper with DNS changes that need done. No one wanted to learn it and he was way too willing to stick his head in the sand and not deal with it. Getting married the next year. Reorg happens and I get a new boss. Have honeymoon and wedding vacation time scheduled with previous boss. New boss tells me -- I didn't get vacation from him. Resubmit or I can't go. Told him to go pound salt. He did and I went on vacation and got married. He was going through an ugly divorce so maybe he was trying to do me a favor. :-D These are just two that are directly relevant to this thread. I have many stories of patently dysfunctional things done to me by bosses that make me understand why lawsuits happen.