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PS3 "Strong Contender" To Overtake Xbox 360
donniebaseball23 writes "Xbox 360 has been having an incredible year so far in 2011, but on a global scale Sony's PS3 is still gaining ground. In fact, this year PS3 has outpaced Xbox 360 by 10% worldwide, analysts have pointed out. While the Wii has clearly won the race for this console generation, the battle for second place is neck and neck, and PS3 has a good shot of overtaking Xbox 360. 'As for second place, as far as the hardcore market is concerned, I'd say PS3 is a strong contender for that position,' commented M2 Research analyst Billy Pidgeon."
Having heard this from the staff, PS3 and Xbox 360 are mostly trying to compete with each other. This includes both customers and exclusive game developers, like Rockstar and GTA series have been in the past with Playstation. That's also why I think both companies are shooting themself in the leg. While they compete and try to destroy each other, open source consoles like Fuzebox will get a major market share. You can code your games on them and play your favorite old games in an emulator, or modify to the devices to do whatever you want. All that while Sony actively works to close Linux and homebrew software from PS3. It's only a matter of time until Fuzebox and similar consoles will win.
I have an X-Box and a WII - Will never ever buy from Sony again.
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Second place is the first loser.
It's the most updateable Blu-Ray player. I don't actually know anyone who uses it for games (although this is obviously a statistically insignificant sample size).
It's pretty late in the game for this generation of consoles. This seems like a 'who finished first' situation. Who cares? I'd rather the console makers concentrate on product support while working on making things better for the next generation of hardware.
Is how hacked Sony accounts can now be used to pay for additional Playstations 3.
Sony had to be hacked (Yes again) and their sales numbers changed. Hey at least it made Slashdot.
We're SIX years into the 360, and FIVE for the PS3. Do we really need to constantly be analyzing which is selling more every quarter as though there's going to be a loser?
Both companies have proven very successful, and have buyers of overlapping interest. Why should anyone care which one sold more in random month half a decade into the production cycle? Really, why does it matter?
Both companies have survived this cycle. That's obvious. They'll both be throwing their hats into the next generation, which is a clear indicator that there are no losers between them. The only point I see is getting the fanboys all riled up.
Getting diabetes AND salmonella would be a bad weekend.
Blu-Ray player aside the user experience was far superior on Xbox. Case closed for me as that's all I play on xbox.
Now it's been hacked... people have to buy 2 - one for psn one for games.
Does it even matter who wins in terms of sales? Both are successful consoles. That said, PS3 sucks.
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In terms of hours played of games, or money made on games, or games sold separate from the console the Wii isn't winning. At all.
A game console is the base of a broader platform. For sony that included other media, but selling consoles is done so you can sell *software*, and, if you're into that sort of thing, software people actually want to play. The Wii has had a handful of good titles. The PS3 and 360 have had a handful of good titles every year they've been out.
In terms of which console is the better to have. At this point the PS3 seems to be getting better exclusives (god of war, uncharted infamous etc.) but I'm sure Halo 4 will have something to say about that soon enough.
So I can play another Mario game with inferior graphics compared to all of its generation's consoles.
Boy, I can hardly wait!
Didn't read TFA, but the Wii won the race?
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Make that two people, same story. I bet there are a lot more where the two of us came from.
(And no, I'm not Bionic Lemming, I just don't want to bother with the hassle of finding my old account name.)
The PS3 is still $299 - the launch price of the PS2.
The PS2 went on to sell 110+ million consoles when it had its price drop from $299 to $199.
The PS3 is going to end up first in worldwide sales this gen.
Sounds to me like someone at Sony is trying to make us forget how they screwed all their customers, with their lies about hackers getting customer data records. How could they possibly be gaining ground, unless maybe they are counting all the people they gave free months to that won't renew when it comes time to hand over their credit card number.
Mean what you say...say what you mean.
Hahahahahahah.
Oh wait, you're serious. I'll let you finish. ...Done?
The hardcore market is on the PC.
still buying Sony shit? Especially on Slashdot?
Haven't they learned anything about how Sony treats its customers?
i laughed a little when they referred to the consoles being "hardcore". haha
but seriously, competition is always beneficial for the consumer so whichever wins, this will be good news regardless.
The millions and millions of duplicate Xbox 360s sold over the past few years has helped Microsoft inflate their sales numbers in the US where Xbox fanboys were dumb enough to buy 5-6 Xbox 360s hoping that each new model would finally fix the disc scratching, RRoD, noise, and countless other hardware problems.
Only hardcore Xbox fanboys who visit fake sales numbers sites like vgchartz are under the delusion that the Xbox 360 isn't in last place.
"PS3 has a good shot of overtaking Xbox 360"
Wouldn't you say "The PS3 has a good shot of overtaking the Xbox 360?"
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That's one incredibly expensive blu-ray player.
Given the other things it can do as well (Netflix, random games, etc) combined with, as stated, the ease of updating - it's actually a pretty easy purchase to make compared to any standalone disc player.
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After owning all 3 at some point during this generation I've decided its my last console generation....I never thought I could be lured back to PC gaming after a long absence but the wii is just too casual, paying to play online with live is ridiculous considering how little I play multiplayer and Sony's issues up through their dismissal of their network security have made me think that I can really just do without consoles.
I agree. This is an article about how will come in second in what is probably the last major game console generation.
Sony used Playstation to promote blu-ray. MS was just in there because they felt they needed to defend that front. Nintendo won their survival by coming in first.
I mean if they really wanted to win they'd come out with the next generation console after five years. The battle is over. The peace is that no one cares. You can hook your PC up to your HDTV and you can buy a computer for less than the price of these consoles. So everyone is going to have that setup in ten years. Also in few years mobile phones will be the undisputed dominant game platform.
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"As for second place, as far as the hardcore market is concerned, I'd say PS3 is a strong contender for that position"
As far as the hardcore market is concerned (at least the hardcore console market anyways) the PS3 is a strong contender for _first_ place, along with the 360.
If you're going to restrict things down to the hardcore market the Wii hasn't clearly won anything. I own a Wii, i'm quite happy with it, but i'm not going to pretend it's leading the hardcore charge. The Wii has some great hardcore games you can't get anywhere else, but it certainly doesn't have all or even most of the hardcore games. (And apparently given the recent debacle over Xenoblade, The Last Story and Pandora's Tower, the Wii has some great hardcore games that you can't even get on the Wii itself.)
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As a loyal Nintendo person, I will be waving at the success of Sony in this generation from my vantage point - of the next generation.
The PS3 has been able to match the 360 closely even considering purchases spurred by the "Read Ring of Death", as well as those wanting to buy a Slim just to get away from all of that. Also the Kinect launch which was heavily marketed and designed to expand the 360's demographic significantly.
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"the battle for second place is neck and neck" Hey, if you're not first, you're last -- Ricky Bobby
The PS3 is going to an eleven year life at least. The PS2 is at eleven years right now and still selling well and somewhere in the 155+ million range in worldwide sales.
When the PS2 dropped to $199 from $299 its sales reached into the 20-25 million a year range. The PS3 is just about to hit the same sweet spot where the PS2 exploded in sales.
Sony has a massive 21 first party studio lineup that is cranking out a flood of PS3 exclusives that dwarf the combined exclusive output of Nintendo and Microsoft combined. There are still major first party franchises that have yet to be released on the PS3.
The PS3 is easily going to end up in the 120, 130 million worldwide installed base range by the end of the PS3's life.
I mostly use the PS3 Slim because the Xbox cooling fan is too damned loud. The PS3 has always run whisper quiet. Both are clean and free of dust.
Unit sales matter when things are starting out. Don't sell enough units, and you can find yourself out of the running since then nobody wants to make any games for you (and if you don't have games, nobody buys it, and so on). However at this point, everyone has sold plenty. Unit sales aren't a big thing. Right now attach rate is what matters, meaning how many games per unit you sell. That's where the big money is in consoles, the licensing on games. So it doesn't matter if you sell slightly more units than your competitor, it matters if you sell (on average) more games per unit.
I have had a ps3 for a year and I'd rather have an Xbox 360. I'd rather play the xbox 360 exclusives in their arcade over the ps3 exclusive games.
Why in the world does it matter if one console is selling better than another? Does owning the more-sold console contribute the value and effect of the console on gaming? Does it inherently attract more developers?
Or is it one of those pseudo-team-contests where those who own Playstations feel superior to those who own Xboxes simply because Playstation is "winning" an unofficial competition in sales?
"I like oranges. You like bananas. More oranges were sold last year than bananas... so ya. That means my fruit preferences beats your fruit preference. Take that."
Try going backwards. An SNES or PSX will be a much better use of your time and money than a next gen console. Todays games aren't any more fun than the older ones, and the older ones have been around long enough so that it's known which ones are good. They're usually cheaper too, with a few exceptions.
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The PS3 is around 54-55 million in sales by the latest numbers.
The PS3 is in year 5 of its life. That means there are most likely going to be another 6 years of sales for the console going by the 11 year life of the PS2 and Sony's own comments.
The PS3 is currently selling 13-14 million consoles a year while at $299.
The PS2 exploded into the 20-25 million a year range when it dropped from $299 to $199.
To reach a 100 million the PS3 needs to sell 45 million more over 6 years. That comes out to 7 million a year.
To reach 130 million the PS3 needs to sell 12 million a year.
The 120-130 million worldwide installed base for the PS3 is probably being conservative.
There isn't any question as to if the PS3 will win this gen in first place. It's just by how much and how close they will get to the PS2's insane 155+ million.
The Wii U will have graphical power similar to the PS3 and a 25 gigabyte disc format.
Welcome to this gen with the Wii U.
Convenience.
Look up that word. While you might have the time and skill to put together a Fuzebox, 99.999 of the rest of the REAL WORLD doesn't. Hate to break it to you, but the rest of the world doesn't see consoles in the way you do. They have other pressing matters to attend to.
Not everyone in the world is an electronics assembler, much less a coder. That part of the world is such a small minority, it doesn't even rate. You might want to look out a window once in a while, and learn there's a different world that doesn't involve a computer screen.
Both consoles are ancient technology. My laptop runs with more under the hood. When I was a fucking kid, they came out with some new shit every few years. Real exciting stuff. Had more money back then too. Now I steal everything.
How can someone be dumb enough to cut and past fake sales numbers from an Xbox fanboy site like vgchartz?
The xbox last gen ended up in 2nd place. The xbox 360 has ended up in last place this gen.
The xbox lost some 4 billion dollars. The xbox 360 has lost nearly the same amount this gen even with microsoft hidding the losses in the E&D division that has many other profitable products.
Even more humiliating for microsoft is a console with a 50-60 percent hardware failure rate leading to who knows how many million in extra sales to pad out their installed base numbers and release a year early and competing with a console that is 100 dollars more expensive and they still end up in last place.
How in the hell can anyone call that 'successful'.
Did an Xbox fanboy just try to talk shit about games?
Way to make a fool out of yourself.
A fanboy of a console with nothing but garbage shovelware for Microsoft's ripoff of Sony's old PS2 era Eye Toy motion controls and downgraded PC ports for a games lineup.
Have fun with this crap!
Hilariously bad Kinect Star Wars demo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIiN0Tdzgsc
Being forced to pay 60 dollars a year for laggy P2P based online gaming?
Are you fucking joking?
PC and PS3 gamers wouldn't tolerate a piece of shit online service like Microsoft's even if you payed them.
Shit is shit.
And the Xbox 360 is shit:
* Graphically humiliated by the PS3
* Last place in sales
* Worst console hardware in history
* No games other than shit Eye Toy style shovelware and downgraded PC ports
* No 1080p 7.1 lossless BluRay movies - just shitty sub HD crap audio bandwidth busting Netflix and old DVDs
* Ripoff accessory prices
* Giant stupid powerbrick
The Xbox 360 is a piece of shit designed for retards who think a bunny hopping power ranger with a stupid 'shiny' mask is 'kewl'.
21 first party studios for Sony.
10 first party studios for Nintendo.
3 first party studios for Microsoft.
21 > 10+3 by large amount...
Gee, that was tough!
This is written by a market research analyst. He just wants you to buy more Sony stock so that his shares in Sony are worth more.
a machine with custom graphics chipset and custom sound like the Atari 800 / C64 / Amiga. Something open that could be programmed, that ran a fast light OS, and not with the GPU added as an after thought. Something with no spinning disks, just solid state.
Something that could make computing fun again like it used to be 20-30 years ago.
I know way more people with PS3s than XB360s. This was not true 5 years ago, but it is now and has been for years.
Because of hardware failures, most XB360 owners I know have purchased the game console more than once (THREE times in one case).
What's more interesting to me is how both platforms have become dynamic platforms with new OS features, instead of remaining static like the old PS2 and XBOX.
Next thing you know, one of the console makers will 1up the other and start supporting Linux and homebrew. Oh wait....
Wow you are retarded....
I did not know they let you use the computer unsupervised at the group home, you should go and take your medicine before you start yelling and banging your head again....
A SNES or PSX is just fucking frustrating today. Emulating SNES is pretty damned enjoyable, though.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
PS3 may be catching up to XBox but millions of users spend tons of money every year not only buying video games but are also paying for XBox Live! and for credits on there. Basically, Microsoft worked out an online portal for video game addicts/saps who have demonstrated they are willing to pay every month to play. I wonder how that affects profitability?
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I have a question for gamers who have tried both PS3 and Kinect, or PS3 and Wii.
The PS3 is trying to be all things to all gamers. "It only does everything." How does the PlayStation Move compare with Kinect or the Wii?
Is the Kinect actually better for sports games and such or is the experience about the same, and whichever game is better written is more fun?
Is the Wii controller better/more accurate, or about the same? Are the Wii games better?
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$700?
And you are asking for a citation? Lets see yours...
and ill say you dont get 1.5 months downtime and claim your doing better then xbox cause people just aren't buying either
But how well does a PS3 compete with a home theater PC? Unlike PC, PS3 since 3.21 has no official open development, nor does it even have anything like Xbox Live Indie Games.
If your new handset costs $200 and is going to be everywhere you are, are you going to spend another $300 on a console that stays in the living room?
Yes, because a console provides for players 2, 3, and 4.
This.
NES and SNES stuff works just fine on my PSP. PSX stuff is more of a pain to make work, though. And I've still got my PSX hardware (and a bunch of games for it) but I don't ever find it necessary to plug it in. (Some of this is probably related to the fact that most of the PSX games that I've enjoyed have much improved PS3 versions which are just as much fun to play, and far prettier.)
And I hate PC-based emulators. They've never felt right. It is inexplicable.
I've had way more fun playing Devil's Crush (an old and horribly addictive pinball game from the Turbografx 16) on my Wii than I ever did playing it on a PC.
Kid-proof tablet..
Microsoft lied about the RRoD fiasco for a year and a half before being forced to admit their hardware was shit.
So, LOL, at your fucking retarded attempt at spreading bullshit about Microsoft's 'good customer service'.
Even worse, Microsoft was paying PR companies to sit around in gaming forums to astroturf lies about how the RRoD fiasco wasn't real for that one and half year before being forced to stop lying.
That's right you fucking loser. You own the biggest piece of shit console in the history of gaming. Destroyed by the PS3 in graphics, last place in sales, shitty Eye Toy style garbage games, downgraded PC ports for 'exclusives', shitty P2P 60 dollar a year online service.
How so? TVs still have composite inputs, and there's a used game store in every small city I've been to. The hardware is pretty robust too. PSX lasers can fail, but it's cheap an easy to just pick up another unit.
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Don't cry assclown. No one is going to take your piece of shit RRoDbox away from you.
You bought the biggest piece of garbage console in history. People are laughing at you.
Deal with it.
I'm tired of all current generation consoles. They're seriously lagging behind current technologies found in PC's. The games dont even run 1080p natively.
Xbox720, PS4 need to come out a lot sooner than they're planning. the tech in the current gen consoles make them seem like a ZX spectrum.
Your nostalgia glasses fail you. It was $500 for the 20gb model without an HDMI port, with $600 for the 60gb with. And once you add in tax, a game (c'mon, who buys a $600 blu-ray player and doesn't buy at least a couple games... The PS3 does have games, just not a lot of good exclusive ones) and an HDMI cable, you were looking at a $700 to $800 investment in that PS3.
Because when I was a kid with nothing to do and no schedule to do it on I could play games with no save or with miles-apart save points, but today I need something I can save state on because there's no save function, and sometimes not even a pause function.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
You should be able to answer this one yourself. More consoles sold = more customers to buy your games.
Japan sales figures Wii – 11,534,590 as of 1 April 2011 PlayStation 3 – 6,341,950 as of 1 April 2011 Xbox 360 – 1,448,665 as of 1 April 2011
the surge of ps3 sales was likely due in large part to the fact that the ps3 was hacked within the last 12 months. with the initial exploit being over the usb bus it made the exploit simpler than the ones for the 360 and thus, more attractive. easy to hack, plus the first time it was able to be hacked, equals a flood of sales.
I'm sorry, but your fruit preference does not win, you were looking at the wrong metric. Oranges appear to have high sales numbers because they are primarly used for juicing, and mostly just water. Almost all of the orange sales last year were for juicing and not for direct consumption. They're clearly inferior to fruit eaten whole. Banana's win, hands down, orange eaters are just clueless fanboi's that are blind to the obvious superiority of bananas. Obviously you're one of those clueless fanboi's, nice try though.
My fruit wins!! neener neener neener, we are the champions, we are the champions, we are the champions!!! I'm so awesome, i make good choices, unlike you that make looser choices. Winning!
Sony, has shot themselves in the heart with the handling of the PS fiasco.
I would never buy one just on how stupid they handled the data lost alone THEN they have the nerve to say its not a problem.
SONY, bah humbug you have lost me as a customer for any anything.
Gaining ground based on what? The xbox has been profitable for years. Has the PS3 even dug itself half-way out of the hole they got into with the massive loss of money for the first 3 years it was on the market?
So, the PS3 has won and has a 10% lead it says. so, why is it only a strong contender? I don't get it at all...
The real platform for cutting edge games is Facebook - it's ubiquitous, the games are designed to be viral and addictive (and in some cases, actually fun, though that doesn't seem to be a requirement), they mostly run on PCs but increasingly also work on mobile phones, and either they're freemium or cheap.
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No, I'm not the target market, but it seems to be pervasive and growing, assuming that either Google+ doesn't kill Facebook and/or the games migrate to Google+.
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If people are still wondering why no company gives half a shit about protecting their customer's data, here's a very good explanation. Not even 100 days since Sony dropped the ball on securing their customer data in the PS3 network, repeatedly too, and the PS3 is apparently selling better than ever. It actually seems like people took that security blunder as some kind of advertisement.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
I don't get it. There are people posting that one is more secure than the other, or that Sony lied (which they didn't - they were very transparent and kept us in the loop, although they may not have given ALL technical details, but that's a smart move when dealing with the idiotic general public).
The truth is neither have a good track record with regards to security, both have good points and bad, and both are doing fine.
I may feel the PS3 is better because of what I can do with it (the features far outweigh those of the 360, but that's MY OPINION BECAUSE OF THE WAY I USE CONSOLES) but I'm not about to blast Xbox for the weaknesses I feel it has; I loved my first-gen Xbox once I threw in the mod-chip.
I guess I just have to agree with some of the other, smarter posters that No One Who Matters Gives a Flying F#ck which console will "win"... If you survive 3 years these days and are still selling games, you won. The rest is media bullshit and fan boy ego circle-jerking.
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PS3 makes for a crappy media computer. It can't play as many audio/video formats
But it does play a lot more console-style games* than a computer.
I have a decent setup and i didn't do any research to make it.
You did the basic research that a computer can use a TV as its monitor. I've gathered that most people aren't willing to get even that far (1 2 3 4 5). You also, I assume, moved the PC into the same room as the TV, something a lot of people aren't willing to try.
All of the software is free.
Netflix player runs on PS3. It doesn't run on free PC operating systems.
* Lawfully.
I don't think you understand market research: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_research
Most people have already commented on the BD.
We bought the PS3 because:
* it plays BD and DVD
* it consumes DLNA content streamed from our NAS (movie, music and pictures)
* it plays games
All rolled into one slim gadget that takes up only one socket.
(luckily it's black so it doesn't attract too much attention where it is, because let's be honest, the PS3 is fugly)
PS3 roolzorz!!1!!
But console game development is not an "either/or" decision, it's a minimum returns decision.
Is PS moving at least X consoles per month? Yes? Ok, we'll develop a game for that console.
Is Xbox moving at least X consoles per month? Yes? Ok, we'll develop a game for that console.
Their relative market share doesn't matter... especially when they're so close as to warrant a "race".