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The Mathematics of Lawn Mowing

Hugh Pickens writes "I enjoy mowing my six-acre lawn with my John Deere 757 zero-turn every week, and over the course of the last five years of mowing I have come up with my own most efficient method of getting the job done which takes me about three hours. While completing my task this morning, I decided after I finished to research the subject to discover if there is a method for determining the most efficient path for mowing, and found that Australians Bunkard Polster and Marty Ross wrote last summer about an elegant mathematical presentation of the problem of mowing an irregularly shaped area as efficiently as possible. First we simplify our golf course mowing problem by covering the course with an array of circles with each circle radius equal to the width of the mower disc. Connecting the centers of the circles produces an equilateral triangular grid, with vertices at the circle centers. Following a path consisting of grid edges, there will necessarily be a fair amount of overlap so the statement of the problem is to minimize the overlap by minimizing the number of vertices that are visited more than once which Polster and Ross say is easily achieved by well-known computer search algorithms. Any other tips from Slashdot readers?"

514 comments

  1. Here's a tip... by nbetcher · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... hire someone to mow it for you. :)

    1. Re:Here's a tip... by M.+Baranczak · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Here's another tip. More of a rhetorical question, actually: what the hell does anybody need a six-acre lawn for? Can you honestly say that it provides you with more enjoyment than, say, a half-acre lawn?

    2. Re:Here's a tip... by Aladrin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Absolutely. A half-acre is barely enough to do any sports-like activities. There's a very good chance that the ball/disc/boomerang/whatever will end up in the neighbor's yard.

      At best, it's a pain to go around and get it, and everyone waits while one person has a good run, unbalancing everything.

      At worst, you have a cranky neighbor or break something in your neighbor's yard.

      So yeah, having a big yard can make a difference.

      If all you do is barbecue, then a 1/2 acre yard is more than enough, though.

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    3. Re:Here's a tip... by level_headed_midwest · · Score: 1

      Absolutely. The biggest advantage to a larger lawn is that you are guaranteed to have more space between your house and your neighbor's houses. The second advantage that going and playing outside is much easier in a larger lawn. (I know, go outside and play, who does THAT any more?) A half-acre lawn generally means you have at best 20 yards or so between houses, since most half-acre lawns are in town. That's really not a lot of room and the houses are fairly densely packed together in that area. Try to go outside and play pitch and catch in such a lawn. If you slip up at all, you broke the window in the Jones' house or put a dent in Mr. Smith's Buick. Not fun. A six-acre lawn guarantees that you are more like a hundred yards between houses. Also, if you value privacy and quiet, there's a lot more of that when you have a large lawn and thus a larger distance between neighboring houses. You could have a half-acre lawn in a 100-acre chunk of woods and have the privacy, peace, and quiet, but in practice, most people have a few acres of lawn around their house in such a setup just because it's nice to have a lawn to play around with the kids. Chasing the baseball into the woods isn't generally too much fun either.

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    4. Re:Here's a tip... by houghi · · Score: 1

      Absolutely. The biggest advantage to a larger lawn is that you are guaranteed to have more space between your house and your neighbor's houses.

      Not if the lawn is just as wide as your house. So it is not a guarantee.

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    5. Re:Here's a tip... by level_headed_midwest · · Score: 1

      Unless you're buying a road or power line easement, not very many six-acre tracts are 2/3 mile long and 75 feet wide.

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    6. Re:Here's a tip... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2018036/Is-Britains-weirdest-garden-Its-30ft-wide-quarters-mile-long--340-000.html

    7. Re:Here's a tip... by igreaterthanu · · Score: 2

      To reduce wifi interference from those pesky neighbours, duh.

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    8. Re:Here's a tip... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have 12 acres of trees and about an acre of 'lawn', mostly around the house and shop... The belt around the home is as a sort of crude fire-break and then there's a sizable strip down the hill so as to open up the view to the mountains... So my lawn mowing takes about 45 minutes including a couple of trips to the compost pile to empty bags... I can say that it's nice to have a forest, to isolate us from the neighbors, provide privacy, shelter from the wind, etc... Unfortunately, the forest brings with it other issues... Most significantly, wildlife... Some good, some not so good... For example, we regularly find cougar scat in the woods, and paw prints in the garden... A grizzly bear has been seen wandering through the various yards.. This has ramifications on my son's ability to go off and explore, like a boy should... Our forest is fairly natural, and left to its own devices. Unfortunately, that means a fair amount of downed trees providing ladder fuel for a ground fire.. It means I need to engage in certain forest management activities within a certain radius of the home...

      It also means, and more to the point, that my lawn is a fairly irregular shape and my mower is not a zero-radius turn mower, so I have a turn radius greater than the width of the mowing deck (52" deck). It means I end up making a lot of long turns (if I want to make a 90 degree left turn, I go beyond where I want to turn, then do a tight right turn, and end up going straight perpendicular to where I started)... That consumes more time and fuel... Though not enough to make it worth my while to invest in a zero radius turn mower..

      My lawn is not a beautiful masterpiece. It is a flat piece of ground intended to keep the forest at bay. Ultimately, I don't really care what my lawn looks like. It's on a slope so I can't really recreate on it.

    9. Re:Here's a tip... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty awesome story. Thanks for the link.

    10. Re:Here's a tip... by Stickybombs · · Score: 1

      Sure there are exceptions, but many townships (at least the midwest US) have ordinances that limit property splits to a 4:1 depth to width ratio. So the worst your six acre lot could be in that case is 256 feet wide.

    11. Re:Here's a tip... by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1, Redundant

      Sheep!

    12. Re:Here's a tip... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This cuts to the core of the issue.

      1. If this is an unpleasant chore, sell the fancy tractor and hire out the job to some folks who need the money.

      2. If this is a pleasant chore, there is no need to minimize the time, just enjoy your life style

      3. If this is just some land you have and don't know what to do with it, lease it to someone who has horses, cows, sheep, or goats. They can turn it into a hay field, and maybe at the end of the year you get some nice, organic meat.

    13. Re:Here's a tip... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      how dare you arrive at a base-2 integer using imperial units! THE AUDACITY!!

    14. Re:Here's a tip... by flappinbooger · · Score: 1

      what the hell does anybody need a six-acre lawn for? Can you honestly say that it provides you with more enjoyment than, say, a half-acre lawn?

      Yes, it would. Except for the mowing part.

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    15. Re:Here's a tip... by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      what the hell does anybody need a six-acre lawn for?

      well, in my parents' case, it's room for a garden (they grow basically all their veggies), plus room for the wild turkeys and deer that live there.

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    16. Re:Here's a tip... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let 5.5 acres grow out. Then bushhog it once a year and sell the chafe. Seriously you are wasting a good source of income... Grow something on it. Hell *PAY* someone to grow something on it...

    17. Re:Here's a tip... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do people fear their neighbors so much that they need to put as much space between them as possible?

      Growing up in a row home in Philadelphia, I grew up alongside my neighbors and their children, there were always groups of 30+ children all playing together. Full touch football games could spring up in moments, ditto baseball (or, in Philly, stickball), street hockey...packs of kids riding their bikes, exploring the neighborhood, getting exposed to different cultures (our neighborhood was extremely diverse)...and it spilled over to the adults as well. When the weather cooperated, every evening the adults would come out and sit on their stoops, talking, watching the kids play, catching up...I've never experienced a richer sense of community then I did then. Everybody knew everybody else on the block, and everyone looked out for each other.

      Nowadays it seems like everyone wants to live in their own little world. Most people in this country couldn't tell you the first names of anyone that is not their next door neighbor. It's sad knowing all those kids are going to grow up isolated like that. Yeah, you can play football in your backyard with your kids, but they will never have the sense of community we did growing up the way we did. It makes me sad...

    18. Re:Here's a tip... by CRCulver · · Score: 1

      If he is a member of a homeowner's association, it's most likely stipulated that he must frequently mow his lawn.

    19. Re:Here's a tip... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have 8 acres of grass and its completely square. I suggest you get two more acres and square out your land.
      Actually get 1.9 acres, I like having more then you.

    20. Re:Here's a tip... by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      HOAs are a curse on the burbs, not generally on rural life.

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    21. Re:Here's a tip... by Shark · · Score: 1

      Maybe they just respect their neighbours and do not want to bother them? This thing goes both ways, you know.

      If I could afford the kind of property where I do not really have to hear or see my neighbour unless I feel like it, I'd think it's the best deal. In fact, it helps relations with them quite a bit when compared to being forced to deal with them because of confinement to narrow spaces.

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    22. Re:Here's a tip... by Dexter+Herbivore · · Score: 1

      Wait for it... wait for it... here comes the inevitable "This is another Australian story" criticism.

    23. Re:Here's a tip... by Surt · · Score: 1

      Why do people fear their neighbors so much that they need to put as much space between them as possible?

      Experience.

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    24. Re:Here's a tip... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, and since we live out in the country we can get away with only mowing an acre of it. The rest we leave as field as one acre is swamp (field means blue birds and dragon flies to eat the mosquitoes.)

      We laugh at our neighbor that decided to mow all the grass area. They always complain about having to mow it often, and for hours. I mean the view of the field that goes downhill towards a pond is absolutely glorious on a fall afternoon. Now, of course we get to enjoy watching deer graze, and cross it.

      Since we leave that be (except the small path to the pond and the fishing spot) we only spend an hour a week tops with the push mower: this is with breaks on really hot days. Otherwise it's short job, and the path to the pond is easier since we just use a weed whacker to avoid the effort of pushing a mower up hill.

    25. Re:Here's a tip... by VIPERsssss · · Score: 1

      Maybe you should work on an algorithm to determine the most efficient method for picking grapes.

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    26. Re:Here's a tip... by level_headed_midwest · · Score: 1

      Fear has nothing to do with it. Some people simply like privacy and quiet- having 30 kids running through their yard at random times of the day would be about as palatable to them as you living on a 10-section ranch in Wyoming and having your nearest neighbor being 10 miles away. Just because somebody has a different set of likes and dislikes than you does not make them "afraid" or wrong, just different than you.

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    27. Re:Here's a tip... by frisket · · Score: 1

      One simply tells one's gardener to mow the lawn. Of course, a good gardener doesn't need telling...

      In fact, of course, what the OP describes isn't mowing: it's grass-cutting. Mowing is done with a cylinder mower, not a rotary grass-cutter.

      To mow a lawn, first trim the edges with clippers or a power trimmer, and then mow around the periphery twice, so you have a border two mowers' widths wide. Next, mow the border closest to the house two or three more strips, evening up any curves of the shape, so that you have a mown area deep enough to turn the machine in. Repeat for the edge farthest from the house. Finally, position the mower centrally at the top of the lawn (ie closest to the house; in front of the main door), and mow a central strip away from and exactly perpendicular to the frontage of the house. Turn and mow further strips to one side, alternating directions each time, until one side is done; then repeat for the other side, starting from the centre outwards again. This results in the classic striped lawn, so that when looking out on it, the stripes will run evenly away from you. Never mow across the field of view, or in ever-decreasing circles, lest, like the Oozlum bird, you end up disappearing up your own orifice :-)

    28. Re:Here's a tip... by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Might want to contact the Forest Service (assuming your a US resident, you don't say).

      Given your reasons, you might be able to get a permit to trap, hunt, or allow others to do so.

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    29. Re:Here's a tip... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you can think about things like, "Is there a faster way to mow this d___ thing?"

    30. Re:Here's a tip... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      actually, there are a lot of divided up tracts of land near here that are ~200ft X 1.25 miles....

      Look up torbert, LA on google maps and look around.

    31. Re:Here's a tip... by Dynedain · · Score: 1

      If you're growing vegetables on your lawn you're doing it wrong.

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    32. Re:Here's a tip... by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      > More of a rhetorical question, actually: what the hell does anybody need a six-acre lawn for? Can you honestly say that it provides you with more enjoyment than, say, a half-acre lawn?

      When I grew up we had 160 acres. Our garden alone was 1 acre. Our lawn was easily between 5 and 10 acres.
      Not everybody lives in the city you smeg-head.

      The point is, optimizing how to minimize the time spent cutting the lawn is a fantastic applied math problem!

      But maybe you like your myopic view?

    33. Re:Here's a tip... by ad1217 · · Score: 1

      thus it is not in fact a lawn. it is a garden.

    34. Re:Here's a tip... by tragedy · · Score: 1

      I would have to agree with that. It's trivially obvious that pretty much all halfway decent methods (meaning methods that cross already mowed areas minimally and favor long runs rather than turns and/or backing up) will complete in very similar time. This will happen regardless of the growth of the lawn. In fact, the larger the lawn gets (without the shape growing more complex), the closer in time the different methods will come. On a very small lawn, using the optimal mowing method is still going to complete in an amount of time on the same order of magnitude as an unoptimized method. On a very, very large lawn, without a ridiculously unusual shape, the time difference between the optimal method and any other reasonably efficient method is only going to be a small fraction of the total time.

      So, from a practical computer science perspective, this isn't a very interesting problem. This is the kind of problem that you can safely simply throw more resources at. It's trivial to parallelize by hiring in someone with a second mower. You can literally throw more horsepower at it in most cases by getting a faster mower with more cutting area, etc.

      It's interesting as a recreational mathematics problem, of course. However, having practical experience mowing a decent sized lawn (around 3 acres) when I was younger, I have to say that the model used in this exercise is far too simplistic. In the real world, large lawns that are parking lot flat also tend to be very geometrically regular around the edges and the ones that aren't tend to have all kinds of conditions the graphing exercise in the article ignores. For example, all the slopes that have to be handled in one particular direction or the mower tips over or won't make it uphill without the wheels spinning. Then there's the areas with rocks and tree roots where you have to slow down and raise and lower the blades in just the right spots. Then there's the wild, wooded areas around some edges where, if you're not careful, branches snag you and pull you backwards off the seat of the mower. Etc.

      Then, there's the question of aesthetics. Efficiency is a sidenote. Most people mow their lawns for aesthetic reasons, otherwise they wouldn't do it so often. The pattern the mower leaves on the grass is important to most people who care what their lawn looks like enough to mow it obsessively enough to even need to try to make the process more efficient. The crazy pattern shown in the example wouldn't be acceptable to most of those people.

      In any case, as far as actual efficiency goes, the article breaks its own advice on reducing curves. It also ignores the start point and end point. Moving the mower to where you will start cutting and back to where you store it are part of the exercise as well and should be considered unless you really do simply abandon the mower in the middle of the lawn when you're done. Clearly it's more efficient if you cut for as much of that distance as you can. Also, the article doesn't consider whether you're collecting clippings and dumping them into a compost heap somewhere or just leaving them. If you're dumping them, then you need to take regular detours to a dumping location to drop them off for large lawns and the cutting plan should be devised in such a way that you can make repeated trips back to this location, preferably over different previously uncut areas. For scalability, refueling might be a consideration as well. The refueling and clipping dumping issues require estimation of clipping volume and fuel use which will never be 100% in the real world, so you have to set thresholds instead and start weighing optimum possible efficiency versus the possibility of running out of gas and having to make an extra trip to get the gas can. Overall, it looks like it's not that easy to use a simple model to plan a big real world job.

    35. Re:Here's a tip... by Pieroxy · · Score: 1

      Which generally requires less mowing.

    36. Re:Here's a tip... by nagnamer · · Score: 1

      At best, it's a pain to go around and get it, and everyone waits while one person has a good run, unbalancing everything.

      I think I saw a paper on least painful route for getting that frisbee that ended up in neighbours yard. It involved circles and triangles, and whatnot.

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    37. Re:Here's a tip... by jep305 · · Score: 1

      Have you never been outside of whatever urban shithole you live in? There's a whole world out there where people aren't crammed into little boxes, living on top of each other like a bunch of rats, and where six acres is just a nice little place to live a quiet, private life.

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    38. Re:Here's a tip... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Build an electric robot mower!

    39. Re:Here's a tip... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why? six acre lawn is big enough to put a few animals on it and let them eat it down low .... saves you a job and provides an easy source of meat :-)

    40. Re:Here's a tip... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hire sheep/goats, and spend your time more productively.. or just relax and enjoy the day!

  2. Give it a few tries and go with what's fastest by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 2

    Believe it or not sometimes people are better at solving certain problems than computers. This is one of those fuzzy problems with lots of irregularities that a human is excellent at working out with just a little help from a stopwatch.

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    1. Re:Give it a few tries and go with what's fastest by couchslug · · Score: 1

      "Believe it or not sometimes people are better at solving certain problems than computers. "

      "Kill the heretic! Kill him! Persecute! Kill!"

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    2. Re:Give it a few tries and go with what's fastest by Oswald · · Score: 1

      I second this post. There are too many options/variables when you mow a large irregular space and too many possibilities that won't be considered by one-algorithm-fits-all solutions. How much is your mower's maneuverability degraded as speed goes up--would you be better off with a solution that had more straight lines but let you go faster? How about that little patch that sticks off the northwest corner--are you better off fitting it into the big pattern, or do you leave it until last, then deadhead over to get it separately? What is your system for trimming up the portions your big mower can't get to (or are there any of those?)--is it better to get every last bit you can with the zero-turn, or since you have to get the walk-behind out anyway, are you just wasting time getting every last blade you can with the big mower?

      I think trying to solve this with a computer is like writing a program to compose an email to your mother. You probably get better results faster if you just do it yourself.

    3. Re:Give it a few tries and go with what's fastest by Deep+Esophagus · · Score: 1

      You don't even have to deadhead to those edge cases (heh, in this case literally). When your more organized route takes you to where that odd corner is, go ahead and finish it separately and then return to the main pattern where you left off. At most you'll be wasting the distance from the place where your main pattern joins the corner section and the farthest spot in that corner.

    4. Re:Give it a few tries and go with what's fastest by ricosalomar · · Score: 2
      It looks an awful lot like the solution in TFA is just:

      1. Follow the perimeter

      2. Make concentric, slightly overlapping passes until you reach the center

      That's about what I do with my 5 acre lawn.

      As a P.S., what's with all the people hating on big lawns? I'm not rich or wasteful, it's a rental. It was a big old farm in the 1800s.
      I have chickens and dogs, and a vegetable garden.
      My wife and kid love it. We do fun shit outside. Ease up /.ers. -Rico

    5. Re:Give it a few tries and go with what's fastest by Laser+Dan · · Score: 1

      Believe it or not sometimes people are better at solving certain problems than computers. This is one of those fuzzy problems with lots of irregularities that a human is excellent at working out with just a little help from a stopwatch.

      Actually this is a perfectly normal problem where the results you get out of a computer will depend a lot on how well you define the problem. If you define the shape of the lawn, the size of the cutter, and the turning characteristics of the mower accurately, I have little doubt that a computer can come up with a more optimal solution than a human (even if only by a small amount). A human with a stopwatch is unlikely to try more than about 15 different routes while a computer in simulation can try millions of routes in a short time.

      The question is really "is it worth it". A human can easily come up with a decent route just by looking at the lawn, so it is probably not worth the time of making a simulation and running an optimisation to save 5% of the time unless you are a professional golf course mower.

    6. Re:Give it a few tries and go with what's fastest by cynyr · · Score: 1

      that's what i always did, route out the main area, and each corner case separately. When you bump into "corner" you start in on it's route. when you finish go back to the big area.

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    7. Re:Give it a few tries and go with what's fastest by cynyr · · Score: 1

      i would love some "yard" to grow some plants. namely some food so i could show my kids how that really works, and that it isn't magic pixies that make it show up in the store.

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    8. Re:Give it a few tries and go with what's fastest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a turd in the punchbowl... REPEAT... There's a turd in the punchbowl!

    9. Re:Give it a few tries and go with what's fastest by maestroX · · Score: 2

      My neighbour wizzkid just modelled the most efficient track to mow my small garden with a corded electrical lawnmower.
      Right now he's

    10. Re:Give it a few tries and go with what's fastest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is a great point. There are a lot of variables that would need to be accounted for. A stop watch and experimentation is key. Like all those turns in the "optimal solution": Do they slow down the mower?

    11. Re:Give it a few tries and go with what's fastest by miasmic · · Score: 1

      Yeah from a year or so of past experience working as a lawnmowing contractor, that's the fastest way to mow, at least with a push/self propelled (ie not a ride on) mower, because there is little time spent making sharp corners and the tricky perimeter area is dealt with at the start, speeding up the rest of the job. Of course, this doesn't produce a lawn as nice looking as a vertical stripe pattern, but this requires a 180 degree hairpin turn at the end of every pass.

    12. Re:Give it a few tries and go with what's fastest by jamesh · · Score: 1

      Believe it or not sometimes people are better at solving certain problems than computers. This is one of those fuzzy problems with lots of irregularities that a human is excellent at working out with just a little help from a stopwatch.

      The problem being described is one that is solvable by doing it over and over again until you find the fastest path. With a 'zero turn' lawn tractor it's dead easy to model on a computer - not particularly fuzzy at all. A computer could simulate a full pass in seconds, while it takes Hugh around 3 hours. The computer sounds faster to me.

      I agree that people are better at solving certain problems than computers, but this isn't one of those problems.

    13. Re:Give it a few tries and go with what's fastest by ancienthart · · Score: 1

      When I mowed my grandfather's lawn (about twice the size of a large house) I used to do step 2 differently:

      Split the lawn up lengthwise into two sections, and mow the outer edge of one, then return on the inner edge of another. My grandfather's lawnmower was pretty big, and much easier to push in a straight line than make a turn.

      And I have to agree with the anti-anti big-lawn sentiment. I was raised on a dairy farm here in Australia and having a large play area is awesome.
      Also, the fact that the poster mentioned John Deere (most popular ride-on here) and an Australian mathematicians, suggests that the poster is Australian as well.
      For those people who have only lived in a large city where space is a premium, in less dense areas a large cleared buffer area is essential to prevent bushfires burning your house down.

    14. Re:Give it a few tries and go with what's fastest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Computers don't solve problems. Programmers do.

    15. Re:Give it a few tries and go with what's fastest by drsquare · · Score: 1

      Five acres of maintained lawn is pretty wasteful and expensive. All that water, fertiliser, pesticide, oil, not to mention a waste of the land.

    16. Re:Give it a few tries and go with what's fastest by ricosalomar · · Score: 1

      Well, in my case there is no water or fertilizer. If it doesn't rain, the grass turns brown. The place was a cow pasture for 100 years. It's in the local watershed, so building is restricted. It takes about 3 gallons of Diesel per month to run the tractor.
      I guess we could change the zoning laws and pack a Wall Mart and a Home Depot on the land. Or maybe a bunch of condos and parking lots. Would that be less wasteful?
      As it is now, the fields and woods in the neighborhood filter the rainwater as it runs to the town's drinking source.
      By my estimation (and the people who live in the town), it's not a waste of land.

    17. Re:Give it a few tries and go with what's fastest by Yamioni · · Score: 1

      I think this depends wholly upon where you live and what the composition is of your lawn. I grew up in Ohio and unless there was a really dry August, the rain always kept the grass plenty watered. And if not, so what? Unless you have a really fragile breed of grass on your lawn, it's only going to go dormant until it rains again. Fertilizing (in my experience) is unnecessary too. My father would always fertilize and the spring and then bitch that he had to mow 3 times a week to keep up... Um yeah Dad, I think the fertilizer was unnecessary... Pesticides I can see, grubworms and other pests can really destroy a lawn if left to it. Oil I can understand if you're talking about motor oil, and gasoline derived from crude oil; an electric mower for a lawn that size wouldn't likely be very practical. The waste of land depends on what you're doing with it. Hopefully you're maintaining it so it is soft and safe for kids to play on, and not out of some twisted sense of pride.

      So while I mostly agree with you, I have to point out that maintaining five acres of lawn isn't necessarily as wasteful as you might think under varying circumstances. If you're totally anal about your lawn, sure, you could spend thousands of dollars maintaining it each year. But then again some people waste thousands of dollars each year on other things that make them happy. Different strokes. But I'm pretty sure in many people's situations you could maintain a lawn that size for a couple hundred dollars a year, if you did your research and weren't super picky about the results.

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  3. Math kids ... by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2

    ... get off my lawn! :-)

    SCNR

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  4. Simplest solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Own less lawn.

  5. obligatory? by amn108 · · Score: 1

    In America, you mow the lawn!

    1. Re:obligatory? by G-News.ch · · Score: 0

      and in Soviet Russia, the law(n) mows you!

    2. Re:obligatory? by PRMan · · Score: 1
      It Soviet Russia, you ARE the lawn.

      Stalin is said to have claimed that killing a million people was no different from mowing a lawn.

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    3. Re:obligatory? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Solviet Russia, the lawn mows you!

  6. Round Up... by Old+Sparky · · Score: 1

    ...is your friend!

    1. Re:Round Up... by FatLittleMonkey · · Score: 1

      Now we know how that got its name.

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  7. Interesting Story! by MyLongNickName · · Score: 3, Insightful

    First, let me say that I do like this type of story. Interesting, thought provoking, nerdy and mathematical in nature.

    I will also preface what I am about to say by noting that people are free to make whatever life tradeoffs they want.

    At the same time, I really wonder why anyone would want a property that takes three hours just to cut the grass. Life is short, why spend it maintaining a large property. I make low six figures now and could afford a lot more of a house than I have, and even when I upgrade to a nicer neighborhood next year will still way underbuy what the bank wants me to borrow.

    If you are stinking rich and want the large property, go ahead... but hire someone to do it for you. Your time is more valuable than the cost of having someone cut your grass. Give some teenager or out of work adult the opportunity to earn some money. That is the real win-win of capitalism.

    Finally, the article linked to seems light on the math itself, but seems very descriptive. I don't know that there is a purely mathematical solution to the problem but wonder if genetic algorithms would get you to where you want to be. I also wonder if you have a yard like mine with tree roots all over the place would change the outcome :)

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    1. Re:Interesting Story! by brunes69 · · Score: 2

      For many people (especially with a ride on), mowing the lawn is not so much of a chore but an escape, a way to be out away from work, the wife, kids, noise... to have a couple of beers, listing to some tunes, basking in the sun - just in general relax for a few hours. It's stress relief. And the type of people with 6 figure incomes usually need it the most.

      Now, i am not one of those people.. I get my stress relief playing some 360. But everyone has to have their own outlet, and I know lots of guys who say it is the weekly lawn mow.

    2. Re:Interesting Story! by G-News.ch · · Score: 1

      the answer is right there in the OP: "I enjoy mowing..." Why do people eat too much and become fat? They enjoy it. Why do people drink to much an become drunk? They enjoy it. Why do people spend too much? They enjoy it. Mankind is not rational and there is no need to be. If the guy enjoys mowing his huge lawn, let him do it.

    3. Re:Interesting Story! by mattgoldey · · Score: 1

      Apparently you failed to even read the first three words of the summary... "I enjoy mowing"

    4. Re:Interesting Story! by Shimbo · · Score: 1

      Your time is more valuable than the cost of having someone cut your grass. Give some teenager or out of work adult the opportunity to earn some money. That is the real win-win of capitalism.

      You missed the part where he said he enjoyed doing it. Not doing what the hell you like because your time is too valuable would be my idea of hell.

    5. Re:Interesting Story! by Arlet · · Score: 2

      If he enjoyed doing it, why is he looking for the most efficient method possible ?

    6. Re:Interesting Story! by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      If he enjoyed doing it, why is he looking for the most efficient method possible ?

      So he can do his neighbour's too.

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    7. Re:Interesting Story! by DevConcepts · · Score: 1

      Maybe he also likes the mental math part of the problem?

    8. Re:Interesting Story! by camperdave · · Score: 1

      Fuel prices?

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    9. Re:Interesting Story! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That may be what he enjoys. The complex problem of finding out how to do it most efficiently.

      Enjoyment for some people comes from working out solutions to interesting/real-life problems.

    10. Re:Interesting Story! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Lawn mowing is a job that you can complete on your own that requires no meetings, team discussions or 300 e-mails before the project can even start. thenyou can step back and admire your work, knowing 37 other people will not take credit for it. ;o)

    11. Re:Interesting Story! by mabhatter654 · · Score: 3, Funny

      If he enjoys mowing then there is no optimum solution. The BEST solution is one that shows the NEIGHBORHOOD you are better than them.

      Go for the cross-cross checkerboard pattern... REAL LAWN FANS don't use circles! The problem is not efficiency, but how to mow the lawn and the trim around obstacles without leaving "tracks" or "foot prints" and without those tack circles around everything...

      The correct answer may mean moving trees, etc...

    12. Re:Interesting Story! by dmbasso · · Score: 1

      Because that's what people like us do: optimize things.

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    13. Re:Interesting Story! by Arlet · · Score: 1

      Apparently not. He's asking for advice.

    14. Re:Interesting Story! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At the same time, I really wonder why anyone would want a property that takes three hours just to cut the grass. Life is short, why spend it maintaining a large property.

      It gets you outside (where the sun will give you vitamin B) doing an activity that is solitary where you can escape the constant interruptions of daily life and do something simple with a single-minded focus. Some people meditate, others pray: this guy perhaps quiets his mind by riding his lawn mower.

    15. Re:Interesting Story! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Math nerds enjoy pondering math problems. News at 11.

    16. Re:Interesting Story! by Sinthet · · Score: 1

      I enjoy computer programming, but I don't prolong my coding session by re-writing my own libraries. I use efficient libraries and optimize if and when I can. The more efficient and elegant, the more satisfactory it is.

    17. Re:Interesting Story! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because he enjoys doing that, too.

    18. Re:Interesting Story! by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      My couple of hours of mowing the lawn tends to be chock full of going over things in my head. Mowing the lawn is something that requires almost no brain power, so I am free to pontificate to my hearts content.
      Three hours would probably be a bit much, but he says he enjoys it. I would say, if he enjoys it that much, maybe he should start cutting other people's lawns. I've had several offers from people on cutting my lawn, which is an acre plot, but ends up being about half an acre of lawn thanks to the house, the pool, the large shed, and copious concrete. Generally, if you get a kid to do it, they want about $50 for the half acre. The professionals, want about $100. If this guy could drop in somewhere between the kids rate and the professionals rate, he could easily rake in more than your average IT worker, and he will be doing something he enjoys.
      Unfortunately, you usually stop enjoying something once you are getting paid to do it and have to meet some sort of commitment.

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    19. Re:Interesting Story! by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      It is only an escape if you use a scythe. Sitting on your arse in a tractor is a chore, and a rather boring one, too.

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    20. Re:Interesting Story! by cynyr · · Score: 1

      I notice there was no thought given to the discharge direction. You wouldn't want to send all the clippings into the next path to be mowed. otherwise it will build up and build up.

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    21. Re:Interesting Story! by cynyr · · Score: 1

      because he is a geek and being inefficient is annoying to him?

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    22. Re:Interesting Story! by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      If you are stinking rich and want the large property, go ahead

      Or, maybe, you know, buy land out in the country, where you can get six acres for 1/10th the price you'd pay for half an acre in a subdivision. (based on what I know the parents paid for their land, and what I see advertised in the new subdivision I drive by on the way to work)

      Note that my parents bought rather more than six acres for less than the value of the 1/6th acre my house sits on in town, based on the latest appraisal (which conveniently broke down the value by separating out the house and the lot it sat on).

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    23. Re:Interesting Story! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Honestly, the guy is probably better off laying concrete patches to try to normalize the shape of the grass on the property. He can then pay for some bulldozing to flatten it. His problem should be a lot easier to calculate now that it closer fits the ideal situation. :)

    24. Re:Interesting Story! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He enjoys asking people for advice on more efficient methods even more? XD

    25. Re:Interesting Story! by hal2814 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, because nobody who enjoys something ever tries to get through it as efficiently as possible. Personally, I love homebrewing but part of that enjoyment is searching for ways to make my brew day shorter. I take pride in my 2-hour 10--gallon all-grain brew sessions and still manage to enjoy the process.

    26. Re:Interesting Story! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is not unusual for properties out west to have a five acre plot and a trailer or small house on it. It is not fair to assume he has wasted huge sums of money and lives in a mansion... If he did live in a mansion, do you think he would be mowing his own lawn?

    27. Re:Interesting Story! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny, I took a look at this issue in 1998 - my story was less about the mathematics and more about how to write Perl/Tk, though:

      http://www.foo.be/docs/tpj/issues/vol3_1/tpj0301-0004.html

    28. Re:Interesting Story! by ToasterMonkey · · Score: 1

      Life is short, why spend it maintaining a large property.

      There is something about the way people always use that phrase with a sense of urgency that bothers me. Maybe you can help me figure it out.

      It's possible that mowing his own lawn appeals to this man in the same way paying someone else to mow it appeals to others.

      It's not a race, just enjoy it.

    29. Re:Interesting Story! by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Speak for yourself. Some people like nice machines. I'd like a Deer Zero turning radius but it would be massive overkill for my 1/2 acre lot and cost more then I paid for my Cadillac.

      I still like my 2 stroke Toro commercial walk behind. It almost pulls me around the yard. It's 20+ years old. The last time I took it in for service the guy at the shop offered my $450 for it without knowing what was wrong with it yet. You can't get 2 strokes in CA anymore. _All_ the pros want my mower. I should lock it up better.

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    30. Re:Interesting Story! by WillDraven · · Score: 1

      ... to have a couple of beers ...

      You've got to watch out with that one. Around here if a cop drives by and sees a beer in the cup holder of your riding mower, even on your own private property, you get an instant go to jail, lose your license, pay thousands of dollars on lawyers and fines, full blown DWI.

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    31. Re:Interesting Story! by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      At the same time, I really wonder why anyone would want a property that takes three hours just to cut the grass. Life is short, why spend it maintaining a large property. I make low six figures now and could afford a lot more of a house than I have, and even when I upgrade to a nicer neighborhood next year will still way underbuy what the bank wants me to borrow.

      Maybe maintaining a lawn is his hobby. Some people play computer games. Some people build cars. Some people trim little tiny trees into shapes. To each his own.

      If you are stinking rich and want the large property, go ahead... but hire someone to do it for you. Your time is more valuable than the cost of having someone cut your grass. Give some teenager or out of work adult the opportunity to earn some money. That is the real win-win of capitalism.

      You are assuming he is rich. In some parts of the country 6 acres can be purchased cheaply; also how do you know the land was not inherited. True he could give someone else the work but he may actually like doing it and he may not have great choices when it comes to hiring someone else.

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    32. Re:Interesting Story! by lgarner · · Score: 1

      Life is short, why spend it maintaining a large property.

      There's the answer. Why spend time mowing the lawn? Why spend it posting on Slashdot, or watching TV, or reading, or anything else..

      If you are stinking rich and want the large property, go ahead... but hire someone to do it for you.

      Why? There's nothing wrong with doing something yourself rather than being waited on hand & foot. Part of the pride in maintaining property is to be able to take pride in maintaining it. It's like asking the guy who's restoring a classic car why he doesn't just send it to a shop to have it done.

      Your time is more valuable than the cost of having someone cut your grass.

      To whom? I'm not working on a Saturday afternoon, so what's the cost of spending a couple of yours in the yard? I have downtime when I'm not working, and that time is valuable to no one but me.

      ... people are free to make whatever life tradeoffs they want.

      Exactly.

    33. Re:Interesting Story! by lgarner · · Score: 1

      Right, because everyone knows that the one solution that you come up with in your head, in isolation, is guaranteed to be the best one possible and no one else could ever have a different and maybe better approach.

    34. Re:Interesting Story! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe he enjoys it for 2 and half hours, and then doesn't enjoy the last half an hour. So he wants to speed it up a little.

    35. Re:Interesting Story! by choongiri · · Score: 1

      That is the real win-win of capitalism.

      Ah yes, the "trickle down effect". Consider your understanding of economics downgraded to AA+

    36. Re:Interesting Story! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hi, we own six acres and need to maintain approximately half of it. Your notion of cost:benefit tradeoff is a good discussion point. Some interesting items to consider.

      - We hire a cleaning service (a "maid" service) for inside of the house. We estimate this to be 2% of our monthly net income. This saves us ~25% of total weekend time per year and is definitely worth paying for.
      - Professional lawn service we have looked into. We estimate this would cost 8% of our monthly net income. The number of hours required for outside of the house is significantly higher than inside of the house. (Note, this is not simply cutting the grass, there are many MANY more actions that need to occur).
      - For the professional lawn service, if hired, we estimate this would save us ~40% of total weekend time per year. However, this is where non-economic/non-mathematical factors come in. There is "joy" for us in doing yard work, for both the manual labor and watching results of the work over time. There is no such "joy" for the equivalent tasks inside of the house.
      - Back to the economical standpoint, younger family members will stayover during a weekend. They have been presented with an opportunity to perform yardwork at a reasonable rate during their stay, bringing income they would otherwise not be able to attain, and lowering our 40% time required down to 20% or so ... win-win for everybody.
      - Main point to keep in mind, professional lawn services cost:benefit tradeoff does not scale easily :-)

    37. Re:Interesting Story! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because he's a nerd.

    38. Re:Interesting Story! by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      If I would speak for myself, I would also add, that sitting on one's arse in a car driving it is a chore and I'd rather walk 20 km than drive the same distance. My boots are indeed made for walking (Meindl Meran).

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    39. Re:Interesting Story! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a way to be out away from work, the wife, kids, noise

      Yes, because lawn mowers are so quite.

      And the type of people with 6 figure incomes usually need it the most.

      Seriously? You believe that? Try subsisting on a minimum wage job sometime, and see how much you need a little stress relief now and then. The difference is that you likely won't actually be able to afford it, thereby making the problem even worse.

    40. Re:Interesting Story! by Immrama · · Score: 1
      Unfortunately, you usually stop enjoying something once you are getting paid to do it and have to meet some sort of commitment.

      I run a landscape business here in Texas and have since I was let go from Dell in 2001. Overall, I would say the money is a lot better at times then working at an employer. You can really start adding in revenue if you service commercial properties with year round contracts. A good year was/is >$150,000 in gross revenue while hiring some contract labor (which is the biggest expense). I also run a computer consulting business (better profit) on the side which brings some money also. The main problem with a business is that you are always looking for new customers or trying to get existing customers to pay. I still go and work the properties everyday or leave labor while I do service calls. It does get old to be in the 100 degree heat for 12 hours or more.

    41. Re:Interesting Story! by Black+Gold+Alchemist · · Score: 1

      Weird Al's never been so accurate:
      They see me mowin'
      my front lawn
      And I know they're all thinkin' im so white an nerdy

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    42. Re:Interesting Story! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Zen?

    43. Re:Interesting Story! by jamesh · · Score: 1

      If he enjoyed doing it, why is he looking for the most efficient method possible ?

      Because he's a nerd? I have a ride-on mower too but still mow most of my 1 acre with the push mower, mainly because it's pretty much the only exercise I get. I enjoy it most of the time, but as i'm pushing it along I enjoy thinking about how I could be doing it better.

    44. Re:Interesting Story! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hi, Smartass. Apparently you have no clue what trickle down is... yet you are downgrading MY understanding? Sheesh. Giving someone a job is not trickle down. Giving a tax break to rich folks in a vain hope that it will turn into a job is. Now run along...

    45. Re:Interesting Story! by ancienthart · · Score: 1

      As I've mentioned above, in Australian rural areas, a large cleared area is essential to prevent bushfires burning your house down. Not everyone chooses to live in a city, and the price isn't that much different from a inner-city apartment.

    46. Re:Interesting Story! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have 80 acre, and I only mow about 5 or so of them - around the house and barn. We are nearly 1/2 mile from our nearest neighbor and it is heaven on earth for us.
      Not everyone wants to live in a subdivision. I have free range chickens, ducks, guineas and peafowl that eat insects in our lawn and fertilize it as they go. My zero-turn radius mower (Gravely) is faster than most riding lawn mowers and very easy to operate.

      Most people spend more time watching TV in an evening than I do mowing my yard once every week or so. I'm getting Vitamin D from the sun, fresh air, and a chance to see what other chores might be required.

      And no, our farm was not nearly as expensive as the typical suburban home. And I'm happier than I've ever been. Owning property, woods, pastures, hay fields, etc., is a dream come true for us.

    47. Re:Interesting Story! by LongearedBat · · Score: 1

      Perhaps 'cos he enjoys solving problems, just for the fun of it. (Or perhaps 'cos he's had to convince himself that he enjoys it. ;)

    48. Re:Interesting Story! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I enjoy playing basketball, but in general I want to do so efficiently. Hell, I could make all the games last twice as long if I just missed every shot or threw the ball out of bounds every time I touched it. Doing something you enjoy is enjoyable. Doing something you enjoy and doing it well adds that much more enjoyment to it.

    49. Re:Interesting Story! by qwak23 · · Score: 1

      Lately I've been thinking that having a lawn is absurd, it requires a fair amount of maintenance and provides not much of anything in return. At least IMO, if you're just going for aesthetics, it would be better to do a rock garden, flower/shrub garden or some combination of those. Additionally, why not use some of the land to grow a few crops? Not necessarily for profit, but as a supplement for your own house, or possibly crops that are a bit expensive or aren't readily available in local markets for personal use. My wife's parents do a bit of both. They have a nice rock garden with a few trees and shrubs that covers ~1/2 their total yard space, the other 1/2 is used for crops to supplement their household food. Though the rock garden required a good deal of work to set up, it only requires a tiny bit of maintenance each year to trim the shrubs. The vegetable garden requires a bit of work at the beginning of each season, but after that it doesn't require much maintenance at all, at least much less than the typical grass lawn.

      Once I get settled into a house I'm planning on using the lawn space to either grow grapes or barley and hops for use in making wine/beer. Why toil away on a lawn that does nothing for me, when I can combine the efforts of maintaining a small piece of land with a productive hobby?

    50. Re:Interesting Story! by drsquare · · Score: 1

      Yeah people who can afford six acres of lawn suffer much more stress than those working three jobs to pay the rent on their shitty apartment and don't have health insurance.

    51. Re:Interesting Story! by ResidentSourcerer · · Score: 1

      My main yard is about 3 acres. In addition I have 6 acres of tree farm with grassed aisles. I use 3 mowers: A self propelled walk behind to do the trim, and a Grasshopper ZTR to do the yard and aisles. In addition there are open grassed areas for future expansion of the trees, as well as 5 miles of 6 foot wide trail in the Christmas tree maze that I mow with a 6 foot bush hog behind my tractor. A full mowing takes 8 hours of grasshopper time, 3 hours of walk behind, and 5 hours of bushhog. Fortunately we have a climate that a full mowing is only required about 4 times per year.

      So I consider myself experienced.

      The math of the OP is flawed.

      1. Every ZTR mower I've seen does not mow as a disk, but rather has 3 blades arranged in overlapping echelon.

      2. Modeling the mowing as chain of vertexes on a triangular grid can miss parts of the interstitial spaces between the array. In addition there are serious edge issues.

      3. Perhaps the OP is concerned about path length, but the primary concern for me is time. Cornering costs time. So the problem is more complex. A turn at greater than a certain radius can be taken at full speed. At tighter corners than this, you have to slow down. (On my grasshopper, I can go fast enough that I end up drifting through the corners. Which is a reflection that I need new tires.) On the bushhog, behind the deutz, cornering too fast will tilt the tractor (It runs 16 psi tires) a couple inches which causes the mower to scalp the lawn. (3 point hitch and 1 rear trailing wheel.)

      If you doubt that cornering takes time, try modeling your path as a Peano (Hilbert?) curve

      Note to original poster. Feel free to come and mow my yard at any time.

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    52. Re:Interesting Story! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He may also enjoy the intelectual challenge of figuring out the problem. Nothing says he has to follow the most efficient solution if he enjoys the expierence. Some people just enjoy the fun of figuring things out.

    53. Re:Interesting Story! by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Nobody is stopping you from returning to a neolithic existence.

      In the US the only rules in the national forest are move your camp every two weeks, mind your fire appropriately for the season and pick up after yourself.

      Also be aware that I might occasionally come taring through in my truck, you'll hear me coming.

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    54. Re:Interesting Story! by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      I guess only an American would compare the avoidance of driving to neolithic existence.

      Well, I've got news for you: there is a whole world outside your car. It can be wild nature, sure. But it also can be tame nature of parks - if you are afraid of wildness, it even can be ultra modern human made - exploring cities by foot is also fun with good shoes and at times of low traffic so you wouldn't choke. Nothing neolithic about that.

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    55. Re:Interesting Story! by cerberusss · · Score: 1

      [quote]The correct answer may mean moving trees, etc...[/quote]
      Sorry, but that John Deere 757 of the submitter is powerful, but won't start mowing trees anytime soon.

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    56. Re:Interesting Story! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because trying to improve on the process is part of the enjoyment. It's like a game where you have to cut down all the enemy soldiers and you want to do it fast. But the enemy soldiers are blades of grass.

    57. Re:Interesting Story! by coinreturn · · Score: 1

      Truly, drinking a beer on a riding mower is virtually pointless. I find that the vibration turns the beer flat almost instantly, especially in the cupholder.

    58. Re:Interesting Story! by coinreturn · · Score: 1

      I notice there was no thought given to the discharge direction. You wouldn't want to send all the clippings into the next path to be mowed. otherwise it will build up and build up.

      Yup. My strategy while using my Cub Cadet rider (side discharge) around the house is completely different than the one for my pull-behind brush-hog (rear discharge) attached to my New Holland that I use for the other 4 acres.

    59. Re:Interesting Story! by djdanlib · · Score: 1

      Keeping a lawn is akin to gardening. Perhaps the research is part of his enjoyment: The pursuit of finding a better, faster way to do it. Maybe it tweaks his inner geek to do the math, and find a new theorem. Could it also follow that he may discover some new mathematical theorem in this pursuit? At any rate, he'll be more educated after doing the research.

      If you apply the same question to a different hobby, you get this: If you enjoy playing a game, why look for the most efficient strategy?

      Pretty fun topic to think about, I think!

    60. Re:Interesting Story! by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      The truck gets me to the wilderness without all the tedious walking. Besides my dogs are 12 and past serious hiking.

      Truck camping is just more comfortable then backpacking. Also more weekend friendly.

      --
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    61. Re:Interesting Story! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently not, as this poster thought he should get the opinion of a million /. readers. Just because something can be done alone, without a meeting, doesn't mean it will be.

    62. Re:Interesting Story! by crutchy · · Score: 1

      cutting his neighbour's grass would be more fun. unless his neighbour (or even worse his wife) found out. then he would be in big doo doo.

  8. split zoning by alphatel · · Score: 1

    I can't speak to mathematical models of efficiency but I can tell you about landscapers models of gas and employee efficiency.
    Use trimmers and small mowers to shape up the irregular areas until they reach a common area or edge.
    Allow the riding mowers to tackle the larger squared zones
    Of course none of this accounts for the grass, which must be hauled with an attached trailer on the riding mowers and regularly emptied regardless of the efficiency pattern.

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    1. Re:split zoning by thermopile · · Score: 1
      Agreed. Even at home, my mantra is, "Minimize turns."

      Do 1 or 2 laps around the outer edge to give you a buffer so you don't spray grass all over the sidewalks, etc., and then choose the longest dimension of the ~rectangular shape you have left. Make long passes back and forth along this edge, alternating left, right, left, right. (If you're not bagging, this means you will run over some of your discharge sometimes, but that's OK as long as the grass isn't too tall.)

      Using this method reduced the time necessary to mow my 1/3 acre by about 10%. Fairly handy.

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    2. Re:split zoning by MagicM · · Score: 1

      This is my method as well, for the same reasons.

      However I do feel like taking "minimize turns" to the extreme would be even more efficient. Starting at the outer edge and going inward in more or less a spiral should eliminate turns completely. You just end up with an odd pattern for your neighbors to talk about.

    3. Re:split zoning by statichead · · Score: 1

      Looks great on paper but the real world chooses differently, look at some farm crops, long straight swaths, easy to manage.

      A human would spend so much time trying to re evaluate the lawn as he goes it would lead to wasted time and inefficiency. Also machines may not be able to physically follow the "ideal" line.

      All that turning would:
      slow down the machine
      introduce a lot of overcut of areas that have already been mowed. ( not to mention that a machine may not be able to make the turns required to be 100%

      Straight lines maximize the amount of grass cut over time and reduces complexity so the operator can drink beer.

    4. Re:split zoning by Deep+Esophagus · · Score: 1

      When there are six acres between you and your neighbors, nobody gives a crap what patterns you leave in your lawn. Not everybody is a homeowners association jerk who has to compulsively measure each blade of grass to ensure uniform height.

    5. Re:split zoning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is actually the correct way to mow. I didn't RTFA but I highly doubt they consider that you shouldn't discharge onto sidewalks.
      For awhile when I was out of real work I worked cutting grass for a local contractor. We but some large water treatment plants and found this method the best. Also Self-mulching blades cut the discharge into find particles that don't need to be bagged or hauled off.

    6. Re:split zoning by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Just buy a mulching blade and skip the whole discharge crap.

    7. Re:split zoning by SydShamino · · Score: 1

      I found the shortest method to be starting in the center of the yard, and working out in a spiral. This is best because I have a motor-assist push mower; any time spent stopping or turning or doubling over grass slows me down, while forward motion is best. Hence, spiral out.

      When I reach the boundaries of my yard I switch patterns and knock out the remaining corners.

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    8. Re:split zoning by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      And without the cool cris cross that the golf courses get. Where's the algorithm for that?

    9. Re:split zoning by eharvill · · Score: 1

      Some grasses do better without mulching.

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    10. Re:split zoning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't speak to mathematical models of efficiency but I can tell you about landscapers models of gas and employee efficiency.

      Use trimmers and small mowers to shape up the irregular areas until they reach a common area or edge.

      Allow the riding mowers to tackle the larger squared zones

      Of course none of this accounts for the grass, which must be hauled with an attached trailer on the riding mowers and regularly emptied regardless of the efficiency pattern.

      information has it,we nolonger have to get rid of the grass clippings,leave 'em on the ground and this is natural fertilizer..Yean

    11. Re:split zoning by dragonturtle69 · · Score: 1

      Such fun can be had with the simple task of mowing grass.

      When I've the time, I like to use the lawn pattern as a bit of art. Sometimes a chevron, sometimes waves, circles, whatever.

      I've no idea if the neighbors notice, but I do.

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    12. Re:split zoning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The nice thing about a six acre plot is, you can run over said jerk, bury him in your giant yard, and go on doing whatever the hell you like on your own goddamned property.

    13. Re:split zoning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is everyone so obsesses with hauling off the clippings? If you cut the grass regularly before it gets too tall, it doesn't leave mounds of grass that have to be raked. The cut clippings will spread out evenly over the area and return to fertilize the ground. By hauling the clippings off, you are robbing the lawn of is nutrients and will eventually need to fertilize it (and you'll probably over fertilize it if you aren't a farmer)

  9. May we suggest ... by lysdexia · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sheep?

    1. Re:May we suggest ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      897??!!?? I bow to your answer.

    2. Re:May we suggest ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or mexicans. usually find them sitting on the corner at your nearest home depot

    3. Re:May we suggest ... by hedwards · · Score: 1

      Sheep are a bad option, they tend to eat the grass more or less down to the root. So, if you don't mind having to reseed the lawn constantly, it works, but otherwise you're going to have to move them around constantly so as not to run out of grass.

    4. Re:May we suggest ... by Mark+of+the+North · · Score: 2

      Not such a crazy idea. Certainly no more than owning a zero-turn mower and spending 3-hours every week-or-so mowing it, optimal mowing pattern or not.

      I "mow" about 10 acres of pasture with about 25 sheep of the Jacob breed. This is mostly for fun, to feed my family something less environmentally destructive than store-bought beef, to preserve the genetics of a fairly rare breed, and to keep our land clear where we want it clear.

      The idea of a lawn mowing service has bounced around my head for the last five years. Through a bit of experimentation on rare days that I've had too much time on my hands, I've found that one can get something pretty close to a machine cut by getting the density of animals such that they graze to the level you want in under about 2 hours. Ideally, the animals should arrive hungry and graze to the desired level before they fill up and sit down to ruminate. If they lay down on ungrazed grass, there will be long patches. The sheep don't stop grazing when the grass gets to the desired level, so one has to be ready to move them when its time. If they are left graze an area to the ground, both the grass and sheep suffer. (Keep in mind that one of the products of a shepherd is market-weight lambs. Hungry lambs aren't growing.)

      The catch is that, in order to keep the sheep happy, the lawn has to start just a bit longer than your average property owner would like: Preferably five inches or more.

      The droppings aren't a big deal. A swipe with a rake breaks up any piles that drop too close to the patio. With the lawn starting fairly short, the density of droppings shouldn't make for much of a smell.

      Using electric-netting fence, one could break an area into bite-size pieces and move the flock several times a day and even a couple of times during the night on bigger jobs. With a bit of experience I think one could target exurban lots and rural acreages to get income from the mowing service and free grazing for the sheep. Can't see a fellow getting rich, but it might make a good retirement gig.

    5. Re:May we suggest ... by excelsior_gr · · Score: 1

      So you basically suggest a Monte Carlo algorithm... Interesting...

    6. Re:May we suggest ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I too, vote for sheep. Free fertiliser and a money-maker, too. A 200m skein of wool can sell from $10-$20.

      My spouse and I just came back from from a trip out East. He gets so mad when he sees a huge lawn, especially if they're a farmer. "What, you spent ten hours a day driving equipment around a field, and then you come home and spend three hours on your lawn?" What was really weird about out east is you've got trees and rocks, rocks and trees, and then bang, someone's perfectly flat and green 1 acre lawn from grass seed meant for some place 3000 kilometres south. Why are you fighting nature so hard? They're probably sitting there, wondering why it's so hard to grow some plants, too. Leave it the hell alone, and let the land grow what it wants - or any the very least, organize and plant things natural to the area.

    7. Re:May we suggest ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Barbados Blackbelly Sheep even eat weeds and trees for free! And think of the free fertilizer!

    8. Re:May we suggest ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sheep are not smart animals. They will eat right down into the soil. I would recommend goats for this task.

    9. Re:May we suggest ... by RivenAleem · · Score: 1

      Fit the sheep with a muzzle similar to that on a hair trimmer. By attaching the sheep with a fine trimmer to a pole, you can make a putting green. By having sheep with a coarser muzzle free-roaming you create fairways.

  10. But is it a GERMAN study? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    TITS That ist what ist required for this to have any shot at validity. I mean, it ist true that stinkin' armpits should not be allowed on a plane, but it shouldn't for a wholly different reason. Same for the mathematics of lawn mowing. TITS

  11. My lawn mowing is further complicated... by SwedishChef · · Score: 1

    Because I live in a US county that publicly owns two hydro-electric dams our electric power rates are low enough to make it much more economical to use an electric-powered lawn mower instead of a gasoline-powered lawn mower. The safest method of mowing the grass would be to ensure that the power cord always stays out of the way of the grass-cutting head of the mower. This complicates the efficient mowing technique because, in general, it's better to simply mow so that the power cord is always on the freshly mowed grass and never on the soon-to-be-mowed grass.

    I wonder what effect this would have on the system.

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    1. Re:My lawn mowing is further complicated... by hedwards · · Score: 1

      I use an electric mower, and you're not going to mow a 6 acre lawn with an electric lawn mower. In practice 100 feet is about as long an extension cord as you can use, and trying to mow a lawn that large would require numerous electrical outlets all over the place. And the subsequent trimming around them that would be necessary.

    2. Re:My lawn mowing is further complicated... by Reziac · · Score: 1

      I've used both, extensively, and sometimes on the same lawn so I have a direct basis for comparison.
      With the gas mower it's most efficient to basically circle from edges to middle, eating up the little irregular areas as you get to them.
      With the electric mower it's most efficient (due to the logistics of keeping the cord out of your way, tho with older models the whole handle flips so you don't have to turn the mower itself nor flip the cord over) to mow back and forth in uniform strips, and do the irregular areas as a separate job.

      On average, the electric mower path is a little more time-efficient, as it's more assembly-line and less adaptive-on-the-fly. But the gas mower's more-adaptive path tends to produce a slightly better-looking and more-uniform result, especially if the mower is self-propelled.

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    3. Re:My lawn mowing is further complicated... by QuantumRiff · · Score: 1

      A large battery? or a roomba lawn mower.. (someone makes them, but not sure if its the makers of the roomba)

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    4. Re:My lawn mowing is further complicated... by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

      or a roomba lawn mower.. (someone makes them, but not sure if its the makers of the roomba)

      Robomow or Husqvarna. There may be others.

    5. Re:My lawn mowing is further complicated... by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      I use an electric mower, and you're not going to mow a 6 acre lawn with an electric lawn mower. In practice 100 feet is about as long an extension cord as you can use, and trying to mow a lawn that large would require numerous electrical outlets all over the place. And the subsequent trimming around them that would be necessary.

      I use an electric mower, and you're not going to mow a 6 acre lawn with an electric lawn mower. In practice 100 feet is about as long an extension cord as you can use, and trying to mow a lawn that large would require numerous electrical outlets all over the place. And the subsequent trimming around them that would be necessary.

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  12. Simplification probably invalidates the math by bbartlog · · Score: 0

    By treating the lawn as a set of circular areas of radius equal to the mower disc, they eliminate all possible routes that would involve driving the mower on some path other than vertex to vertex. And I expect it would not be hard to construct a lawn where the best path involved just such a route. As constructed I think the problem is actually kind of boring (which is not to say I can solve it!); it would be more interesting if they had come up with some way to attack the optimization problem without turning it into something out of graph theory.

  13. OMG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How boring...

  14. Doesn't look good by Arlet · · Score: 5, Funny

    The 'optimal' solution has the mower finishing in the middle of the lawn, which is usually not where you want to leave it parked.

    1. Re:Doesn't look good by bgarcia · · Score: 2

      Unlike the "painting the floor" task, it's not that much of an issue here.

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    2. Re:Doesn't look good by Arlet · · Score: 1

      Not much, but assuming you want to move the mower back, the proposed solution isn't optimal because your traveling twice over the same strip of grass.

    3. Re:Doesn't look good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I used to mow the neighborhood lawns when I was in high school. I would optimize the each yard based on a variety of factors. Since I used a bagging mower, I wanted to be able to drag the bags back to the front of the house. The best bet was to start in the back of the house, do the furthest rows, bag the grass, and throw the bag towards the house the approximate distance to where I would need to change the next bag. This way, I had to go to the front of the house to dump the bags half the number of times. I think I probably saved 3 minutes per lawn doing it this way!

    4. Re:Doesn't look good by Kabuthunk · · Score: 1

      Which is completely irrelevant, because every mower I've ever used or known has the capability of being turned off. Push mowers you could turn off and push to wherever. Riding mowers, I don't know of a single riding mower that does not allow you to turn off the blades while still keep travelling. I also don't know of a single person who just parks their mower in the exact spot they finished mowing the lawn.

      Long story short, turn off the blades, move mower to wherever you want to store it.

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    5. Re:Doesn't look good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, because you can lift the mower deck when you are finished. (Or push the mower off the field, if it is a small one).

      On the other hand, if you use Polster and Ross's approach but look for a cycle instead of a path, then you can start and stop at adjacent points. Such as the garage.

    6. Re:Doesn't look good by Arlet · · Score: 1

      You missed the point. If you're trying to optimize for the shortest path, you don't want to travel the mower across the lawn with the blades turned off. Instead, put the blades down, and find a path that starts/ends at the same place (or at least along the edge). That way, the total path will be shorter.

    7. Re:Doesn't look good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Either way, you have to transport the mower to and from the grass being cut, whether you sart in the middle, far edge, close edge, end in the middle, etc. you will have to do some backtracking to put the mower away. My preferred method is to start at the outer edge closest to the shed where the mower goes and mow counter-clockwise for one lap (I don't bag, the discharge is pointing to the 'inside' so I can get closer to the edges this way) then turn around and mow in a clockwise fashion for the rest of the yard, smoothing out any turns as I go. This way, the discharge is evenly spread out over the lawn and cuts down on the amount of fertilizer I need to use. With the way my lawn is shaped, the 'middle' part that the mower ends up in is only a few feet away from the shed where I started.

    8. Re:Doesn't look good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funnily, the proposed solution is exactly what I did as a kid. I swear. EX. ACT. LY.

      And the easy trick is to, after you emptied the last bag of grass, just drive over the places where some of that grass fell on the ground again, when you put the mower back.

    9. Re:Doesn't look good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1 - Start from a corner of the side opposite to the gate,
      2- Mow following the rim of the field side that is shorter, until the fence or whatever
      3 - perform a 180 turn
      4 - follow the rim of mowned grass
      5- if you've finished to mow go to the gate
      6 - if you are at the gate, exit
      7 - go to step 3

    10. Re:Doesn't look good by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Grass dies under a sitting/rusting mower left on the lawn.

      The Obvious way to accomplish your stated goal is to have a drive trough shed and follow a TRON light cycles type pattern so you never cross your own path

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    11. Re:Doesn't look good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So do it backwards, and start from the middle!

    12. Re:Doesn't look good by Osgeld · · Score: 1

      you know they still move after the grass is cut right?

      mowing to the center causes a big problem though as your constantly re-chopping the same grass and pushing it in the center

    13. Re:Doesn't look good by Arlet · · Score: 1

      There are many ways to create paths that don't end in the middle of the lawn, even without a drive through shed. Nobody said that you could never cross your own path. It's just not as efficient.

    14. Re:Doesn't look good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then start in the middle. Duh.

    15. Re:Doesn't look good by Arlet · · Score: 1

      you know they still move after the grass is cut right?

      Yeah, I'm not stupid. But if you're going to move the mower after cutting, you should add those movements to the total travel distance, making the path longer. If you do that, the suggested path is no longer the shortest one.

      Instead, they should have optimized a path that starts and ends at roughly the same place (just outside the lawn), and then you put the shed there to park the mower.

    16. Re:Doesn't look good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fortunately it's a reversible path. Simply start in the middle of the lawn and work your way out.

    17. Re:Doesn't look good by tophermeyer · · Score: 1

      mowing to the center causes a big problem though as your constantly re-chopping the same grass and pushing it in the center

      It's not an issue if your mower catches your clippings. Or you can simply run with the ejector on the outside. As a kid my parents had about 4 1/2 acres that was roughly circular, and this was exactly what I did. Because I was blowing the clippings to the outside of the circle it left a rather nice uniform layer of dead grass with a bald spot in the center.

    18. Re:Doesn't look good by guruevi · · Score: 1

      Unless you start there and end at the side where your barn/shed is located.

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    19. Re:Doesn't look good by RivenAleem · · Score: 1

      Put the garden shed in the middle of the lawn.

  15. Fenway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Although Dykstra's algorithm is great for the most efficient airline flights between airports..I like the symmetry patterns of Fenway Park..although I only have to cut 1/2 acre.

  16. buy 3 goats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They don't use gas or waste your time.

    1. Re:buy 3 goats by teaserX · · Score: 2

      Gotta be careful with this one. We bought one goat. He did a great a great job. A guy from the ASPCA came and told us that single goats get depressed and lonely and that we had to buy him some friends or they would confiscate him. There's apparently a 3 goat minimum here. Now the lawn looks pretty sparse and we have to buy more food for the goats. I was able to get them a temp job taking care of a local open space till they ate all of the weeds. Goats don't understand the whole "slow down...you're gonna get us all laid off" thing. I have them posted on Craigslist looking another job but for now they're still eating my lawn.

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    2. Re:buy 3 goats by turtledawn · · Score: 1

      Could you share the goats with your neighbors?

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  17. Little issue... by LordNacho · · Score: 1

    How does the circular mower cut corners? Don't most people have a corner of smaller radius that their imaginary circular lawnmower?

    Shouldn't the problem be how to sweep a straight line of some given width to cover an area? I'm guessing the circular mower is some sort of simplifying assumption. Never had a lawn before, so no idea.

    1. Re:Little issue... by Arlet · · Score: 1

      TFA has a picture of the lawnmower. It is circular, and not at all imaginary.

    2. Re:Little issue... by camperdave · · Score: 1

      The typical lawn mower is like an upside-down helicopter. The blades sweep out a circular path. At a corner, you typically mow past the edge, reverse-and-turn so you're lined up for the next edge, then proceed. For a typical lawn mower there would be very little difference between your straight line sweep and the circle sweep.

      The person who posted the article, however, has a zero turn radius mower. They don't have to do the reverse-and-turn bit. The mower can turn on a dime. This stop and pivot turn method leaves circular corners.

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    3. Re:Little issue... by CityZen · · Score: 1

      Several solutions:
      1) Use a string trimmer or similar device to tidy up those corners.
      2) Mulching & edging the corners of the lawn to eliminate such areas.
      3) Letting the corners grow wild.
      4) Round-up (ie, vegetation killer; yes, it's a very bad idea).

  18. reality by queazocotal · · Score: 1

    This neglects the reality that even with zero turn mowers, there is some cost to turning.
    You can't make a right angle turn at full speed.
    There isn't a mathematically correct solution unless you correctly model the costs of turning.
    If you're doing it 'by hand' - then you also need to model the cost of screwing up.
    It may be that comparatively simple schemes - such as an interleaved raster scan may be
    in practice optimal for a human to mow it.

    1. Re:reality by wolrahnaes · · Score: 1

      This neglects the reality that even with zero turn mowers, there is some cost to turning.
      You can't make a right angle turn at full speed.
      There isn't a mathematically correct solution unless you correctly model the costs of turning.

      This is already covered. One of the first things pointed out is that less turning means less overlap, so they're already aiming to reduce how much you have to turn.

      If you're doing it 'by hand' - then you also need to model the cost of screwing up.
      It may be that comparatively simple schemes - such as an interleaved raster scan may be
      in practice optimal for a human to mow it.

      If we assume the pattern shown to be similar to those that would be generated for other mowing areas, the complexity is in the center. The rest is pretty much riding a smoothed version of the edge and then doing a few laps. As the complex center is only a few blade widths across, the mistake cost is minimal as you're still right in the area and you're nearly done.

      That said I'd bet you're right for a push mower. As long as there's minimal overlap I can't see significant room for improvement from any pattern as turns are not particularly hard while moving at a walking pace. On a ZTR, the speed loss from a corner is entirely dependent on how tight the corner was, so straighter is better. On a tractor, to a point there's almost no cost to turns as long as the radius is not too tight. I've never seen a lawn tractor that couldn't corner as tight as it can at full speed, but the problem is they can only turn so tight before it becomes a multi-point turn or you have to swing wide and loop around. The back-and-forth pattern is terrible with these for that reason.

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    2. Re:reality by formfeed · · Score: 1

      This neglects the reality that even with zero turn mowers, there is some cost to turning.

      Very good point!

      The article has a picture of a mowing path with a very jagged pattern. Whoever thought that this is an accurate mathematical model must have never mowed a lawn. The cost of turning is a time cost, but also creates overlap. The cost in time and overlap of a 180 turn is not the same as two 90 turns, depending on your mower it might be better or worse...

  19. IME by Aladrin · · Score: 1

    In my experience (with 1-acre and 4-acre sections to mow) there is a little you can do to optimize the route, but in general, you want to end up with the clippings shooting toward the center of the lawn so it's easy to rake. (The bags on the mowers are a pain because you have to empty them so often.) So the perfect path in the article is marred by the fact that you then have to either re-mow some of it to shoot the clippings in the right direction, or get out a blower and spend just as much time doing that.

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    1. Re:IME by chalker · · Score: 1

      Strange, nobody I know collects or picks up the clippings. That's what recycling mowers are for.. they chop them up fine enough that you can't even tell they are on the lawn. It lets the nutrients stay on the lawn, and you don't have to worry about what to do with the waste, so it's the best 'environmentally' friendly solution.

    2. Re:IME by foniksonik · · Score: 1

      If he mows every week he could be mulching and leaving the clippings. One week grass growth us pretty minimal no matter where you live - maybe an inch or two.

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    3. Re:IME by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      if you hate bags, maybe you should try getting mowers with a "mulching" setting. No point in throwing away all that free fertilizer.

      There's really no point in bagging unless you're trying to gather up vegetative waste for a purpose, like perhaps a compost pile or something. "Filling up the county dump with yard waste" is not a worthwhile purpose.

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    4. Re:IME by archen · · Score: 1

      Grass clippings are very useful for gardens.

    5. Re:IME by eharvill · · Score: 1

      It depends on what type of grass you are mulching. Some grasses (such as Bermuda) will not thrive after a few weeks of mulching.

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  20. 3 hours of mowing? Enjoy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I enjoy mowing my six-acre lawn with my John Deere 757"

    Wait, he enjoys that?

    My goal with my lawn, year by year, is to slowly but surely destroy it. I rip it up and replace it with gardens, trees, or crushed stone with ornamental larger rocks, sometimes with ferns and moss around the edges. The remaining grass is entirely naturally selected -- that is, if it survives without additional water, fertilizer, aeration or other manual interference other than the occasional mow, it lives. If not, it can go ahead and die, to be replaced by the stuff that can survive. Since I bought this house I've decreased the total lawn area by about 25%, and my front lawn is down to about 40% of the original area (60% of it is replaced). What time I spend maintaining the non-lawn areas is expended yanking the occasional weed out of the garden, trimming bushes, or raking the gravel and arranging the ornamental boulders. It looks quite nice in the front. The back needs a lot more work (too much grass), but most people don't see it, so I can neglect the mowing a bit.

    My optimal lawn mowing strategy is to mow less. Permanently.

  21. Are you a salesman? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It sounds (after those particular assumptions) like you want to solve the Traveling Salesman Problem, in particular the special case with Euclidean 2d distances (more or less, depending on hills). "Computer search algorithms" is a little bit of a weasel word... I believe these are exactly solved in practice on moderate-size instances using integer linear programming (ILP) techniques, the work of Bill Cook and co-authors is likely useful. From a theoretical (but not so important) perspective: the problem is NP-complete but admits an "approximation scheme." See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travelling_salesman_problem

    1. Re:Are you a salesman? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thw Traveling Salesman approach is a least distance problem but unless you have particular via points, seems unrelated to the coverage problem.

    2. Re:Are you a salesman? by RackinFrackin · · Score: 2

      This is not quite equivalent to the TSP. TSP tries to find a minumum weight hamilton cycle, which does not allow repeated vertices. In the problem here, they are allowing vertices to be repeated, but they are trying to minimize the number of repeats. Also, the graph obtained by overlaying the triangular grid might not be hamiltonian.

      That said, I suppose you could translate an instance of this problem to the TSP by doing something like adding weighted edges between nonadjacent vertices, and letting the weight of each new edge uv be the distance between u and v in the original triangular graph.

  22. Circles? by Dunbal · · Score: 1

    What? Floodfill ftw.

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    1. Re:Circles? by hellop2 · · Score: 1

      FTA: "Puzzle to ponder: Suppose you have a lawn that is 200 square meters in area and your mower disc is 70 cm in diameter. Show that any mowing path for this lawn must be at least 280 metres in length."

      Mower is .7m. Imagine the simplest lawn, one with no turns, the width of the mower. So x*.7m = 200m => x = 285m.

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  23. Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    When America collapses, people with 6-acre lawns will soon find very persuasive arguments that they should be sharing their land with the less lucky.

    1. Re:Who cares? by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      Sounds like an argument for having a six acre lawn.

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    2. Re:Who cares? by morari · · Score: 1

      Hahaha! Sorry, but I live where I do with as much land as I do precisely because I don't want to have to look at neighbors. Of course, yuppies like this guy, who enjoy mowing their pristine little lawn will curl up and die the moment the electricity goes out. If indeed American collapses, I won't have to worry about any of these retards from the city and suburbs.

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    3. Re:Who cares? by FooAtWFU · · Score: 1
      I'm curious: When America collapses, what exactly do you think "the less lucky" is going to do with six acres of Poa pratensis out in the middle of Nowhereseville, Suburbia? It's one thing to cry "some people are too rich! we will take stuff from them!" but what would an angry mob do with a six-acre lawn? Harvest it as sod and sell it on the black market? Till it and grow vegetables?

      It's not even like land is that expensive in most of the country, Silicon Valley and other parts of the west coast excepted.

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  24. Now solve the problem... by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

    ...for a tractor-haybine combination with an 80" swath and a 20' turning radius.

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    1. Re:Now solve the problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Make that a general solution! My mowing deck is 60" and my 3 acres is littered with fixed and temporary objects. I utilize my estate with antenna experimentation. Most of the fruit from the trees I cultivate goes to both domestic and wild animals. I don't consider it a lawn, it is a meadow. The reasons for mowing are to keep the Tick population in check and minimize fire risks. -- W8CCW

    2. Re:Now solve the problem... by AtomicSnarl · · Score: 1

      Harvesting wheat? Don't you want the 20 foot head with the 20' turning radius?

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    3. Re:Now solve the problem... by Reziac · · Score: 1

      "....but I need 40 acres to turn this rig around!"

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  25. Travel and sell much? by daveagp · · Score: 1

    It's a case of the Traveling Salesman Problem http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travelling_salesman_problem On the one hand it is the special case with Euclidean 2d distances (more or less, depending on hills). But also, it is the special case where all point-point distances are equal, depending on what exactly you meant by 'grid', which is called Graphical TSP. "Computer search algorithms" is a little bit of a weasel word... but as far as I know TSP instances are exactly solved in practice on moderate-size instances using integer linear programming (ILP) techniques, the work of Bill Cook and co-authors is likely useful. From a theoretical (but not so important) perspective: the 2d Euclidean problem is NP-complete but admits an "approximation scheme." I am not sure about the doubly special case you present, but my gut feeling would be it's also NP-complete.

  26. And picking up golf balls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've had a similar problem which I guess may be easier solved intuitively:

    I'm at a golf course at the chipping green, and chip a bucket of balls onto the green. Now I wish to pick up those balls and put them back in the bucket. What is the most efficient path to take to pick up the balls (especially if I'm not a good chipper and some balls are spread out significantly).

    1. Re:And picking up golf balls by gomiam · · Score: 1

      Travelling Salesman Problem, sorry. The most efficient path is learning to chip better ;) Oh, and start gathering the ones which are far away first, so you don't have to carry a full bucket around to get them.

  27. If you are thinking about lawn care by assertation · · Score: 1

    If you are using your wet RAM thinking about about lawn care you can possibly take it as a sign that your youth and the more interesting times of your life are over.

    1. Re:If you are thinking about lawn care by BrokenHalo · · Score: 2

      So what? One day, unless someone does us a favour (;-)) you'll be as decrepit as we are, and you will find equally asinine and rewarding pursuits. Don't knock it until you've tried it...

    2. Re:If you are thinking about lawn care by assertation · · Score: 1

      Ha ha. Good reply. I wish I could mod it up.

  28. The single quickest method for mowing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The quickest method I've found for mowing my lawn is to hire someone else. It literally takes me only 3 to 5 minutes to write the check, and there is no geometry involved.

    1. Re:The single quickest method for mowing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pay cash; no paper trail.

  29. act greeen. google does. by Spovednik · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    mowing 6 acres with a lawn mower? that should be a crime in its own. invest in 20-25 goats and a fence. not sheep. sheep are stupid and they smell. goats are smart. you'll find that looking at them is really relaxing. they'll also keep your lawn at golf-course grade length. price? sell your john deere and you should have enough to buy the lot.

    1. Re:act greeen. google does. by tepples · · Score: 1

      invest in 20-25 goats

      Did the extra "e" in "greeen" fall off the end of "goats"?

    2. Re:act greeen. google does. by morari · · Score: 1

      Sheep are far less maintenance, and you don't have to worry so much about them getting into what you don't want them to. Besides, there is no way he'd need upwards of two dozen of any livestock to keep only six acres down. Try a handful.

      Bu yeah, overall that is a much better idea. Too bad the yuppie really likes mowing his lawn on that stupid John Deere. Must live out in the suburbs. I doubt his housing associate would allow for something as practical as goats anyway. Haha!

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    3. Re:act greeen. google does. by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      not sheep. sheep are stupid and they smell. goats are smart.

      As far as smell is concerned, I would probably put goats higher up on the olfactory quotient scale. For intelligence, there isn't actually that much to choose between the two animals, since they are both smarter than many people realise. I know plenty of people who are much stupider than the average sheep.

  30. Traveling Mower by jamescford · · Score: 1

    It could be described as a variant of the Traveling Salesman problem, where each node is a mower-sized swath of grass and your object is to visit very node, returning to the starting one...

    1. Re:Traveling Mower by karnal · · Score: 1

      There's actually no need to return to the starting one however, as it is already mowed. The goal would be to mow every node in the most efficient path possible. Start and end node could vary depending on speed of solution to problem.

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    2. Re:Traveling Mower by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      You want the start and end node to be the same, so you can put the mower shed right next to it...

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    3. Re:Traveling Mower by SlothDead · · Score: 1

      No, since you want to park the mower in the same spot at the end.

      (Unless you build two sheds in different locations to optimize your mowing path...)

    4. Re:Traveling Mower by reboot246 · · Score: 1

      No. Forget efficiency. The goal is to have a nice lawn, and that means cutting the grass using a different pattern each time. Never mow your lawn the same way over and over again.

      Just a bit of advice from an avid gardener.

  31. Me too! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I enjoy eating gruel out of a plastic bowl placed on the tarp outside my tent every morning in the tent city where I live.

  32. Cam software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The solution to this is very similar to what a cam package would produce.

  33. Here's a tip by WML+MUNSON · · Score: 2

    Pay someone to mow it for you.

  34. Lawn? by Rising+Ape · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Six acres isn't a lawn, it's a field... anyone else get the impression this guy just wanted a reason to say "I have a six acre lawn"?

    1. Re:Lawn? by BrokenHalo · · Score: 2

      anyone else get the impression this guy just wanted a reason to say "I have a six acre lawn"?

      No, not really. If you prefer to live in an apartment (or your Mum's basement) in the city, that's fine. Neither I nor anyone else will interfere with your lifestyle choice. Choosing to live at a distance from urban congestion does not necessarily mean you are an elitist prick, it just reflects a different set of priorities.

    2. Re:Lawn? by Rising+Ape · · Score: 1

      You don't have to live in a city to be surprised by a six acre "lawn". Where is there that it's even slightly typical to own that much land and have it as a lawn?

      Or maybe I'm just not knowledgable enough about the world and there are places where everyone has a six acre lawn. But I've never seen one.

    3. Re:Lawn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it was a shill for the "John Deere 757 zero-turn" [lawn mower]. Not kidding.

    4. Re:Lawn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was thinking he wanted to brag about his John Holmes zero g mower

    5. Re:Lawn? by SydShamino · · Score: 1

      I figured that he made a deal with John Deere to get some sort of discount in exchange for having their product mentions at the top of Slashdot.

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    6. Re:Lawn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To city folk that might be impressive, but not so much for those who've lived in a rural area. Maybe he just wanted to say "I have a John Deere 757 mower". Now that's money...

    7. Re:Lawn? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      I also find it surprising that a field this large needs mowing every week. Does he host polo tournaments weekly? Let it grow a bit in areas where people don't walk...

    8. Re:Lawn? by C4RBON · · Score: 1

      He probably listens to "Big Green Tractor" while cutting the grass. I know I would.

    9. Re:Lawn? by eharvill · · Score: 1
      Here are a few potential sites.

      I know there are several counties in Georgia that require a minimum land purchase in the 4 acre range if memory serves. Can't find a quick link right now, but it's primary purpose is to limit population growth and the costs/problems associated with fast population growth.

      I know if my wife and I could find jobs that pay the same as our current ones with 100% telecommute I would purchase at least 2 acres and get the hell out of suburbia. 6 acres would be a bit much for me personally, but I can see where this guy is coming from for sure.

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    10. Re:Lawn? by hippo · · Score: 1

      I'll see your six acres and raise it four. And I do call it a field. And it's too steep for a sit on mower so I use ponies!

    11. Re:Lawn? by Rising+Ape · · Score: 1

      Well, I am surprised. I knew the USA had more open space than my own country, but even so...

      Personally, I'd find a big garden a liability. My parents had a big one by UK suburban standards (about two thirds of an acre) and it was a real pain in the arse to maintain. Enough to add a tinge of green and have a little space to sit outside is fine for me. For anything else, I can go to the park.

    12. Re:Lawn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe he just wanted to say "I have a John Deere 757 mower". Now that's money...

      Not really. I have never seen a commercial outfit using Deere. Around here it's mostly Dixie Chopper and Toro. Of course there are a bunch of other good brands out there (my personal favorite is Hustler). Deere is way down on my list just above the box store machines.

    13. Re:Lawn? by adolf · · Score: 1

      Both Toro and Deere mowers are made by MTD, these days. They might as well be branded "Yard Man" or "Huskee" or "Murray," because it's the same shit with a different paint code.

    14. Re:Lawn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      6.5 if you include his wife's patch.

  35. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by m.ducharme · · Score: 1

    Yeah, but then if Americans built parks, they'd have to get to know their neighbours.

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  36. Best solution by Charliemopps · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The best solution: don't mow it.
    Why the hell do you have 6 acres of grass? Plant some trees for christs sake.

    1. Re:Best solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      6 acres isn't that much to mow. Trees only ADDS to the problem; it doesn't solve it.

    2. Re:Best solution by DaFallus · · Score: 1

      Since when are the two mutually exclusive? 6 acres is not a lot of land. Driving around the outskirts of Houston you will commonly see 6+ acres of natural grass plains.

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    3. Re:Best solution by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      Excellent answer. If it's traditional turf grass, it's not even native to the US, it requires shit tons of water and pesticides to keep looking good, and it just a plain waste of time and gas to mow.

      Plant some trees for christs sake.

      Better yet, plant some plants that were actually native to your area (including trees...)

      If I had 6 acres, I'd love to try to restore a significant part to whatever the "original" condition for the region (Illinois prairie, California Chaparral, etc)

      Make it look more like this:

      http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/03/06/garden/06garden-600.jpg

      Than this:

      http://www.lawnshelp.com/wp-content/gallery/beautiful-lawns/c-lawns.jpg

      You'd have 10x the native birds, butterflies, etc. It would take some work to restore it, but it's more of a hobby (if you consider "mowing the lawn" a hobby you need help).

    4. Re:Best solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I concur and to make any mowing easier leave nature areas where you would otherwise have to double up on your course. A few rabbits, deer and sheep would also help keep the mowing down as well as providing a nice meal if you fancied!

    5. Re:Best solution by skine · · Score: 1

      Don't plant trees if you want to cut down on mowing time.

      Growing up, we had a 1+ acre plot, covered in trees, gardens and bushes. It took about 1 to 1.5 hours to completely mow, with one person on the riding mower taking care of most of the area, and one person with a push mower mowing around the plants.

      So he spends 3 hours mowing a 6 acre plot, while we spent 2-3 hours on a 1 acre plot. I say screw the trees.

    6. Re:Best solution by CityZen · · Score: 1

      Once you get enough shade, the grass stop growing.

    7. Re:Best solution by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      Eh, I don't think you understood my post :)

      You don't need to mow in any place you replace the turf with native plants and grasses.

      IMO the only person who should need to be mowing 6+ acres of plain turf with no trees is the groundskeeper at a polo field. I mean, jeez, a football (American or otherwise) field is just over 1 acre...

    8. Re:Best solution by jamesh · · Score: 1

      The best solution: don't mow it.

      I tried that with my block once. Some guys at the local council had a quiet word to me about fire danger.

      Why the hell do you have 6 acres of grass? Plant some trees for christs sake.

      I just assumed there was already trees on it... otherwise mowing it wouldn't really require much thought at all.

    9. Re:Best solution by LongearedBat · · Score: 1

      Nah. They'd get in the way of the mower. ;)

    10. Re:Best solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      agreed.
      lawns are useless and bland. plant apple trees, start a garden or just leave it alone.
      same goes for raking leaves. free fertilizer if you let them rot away where they are.

    11. Re:Best solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Driving around the outskirts of Houston you will commonly see 6+ acres of natural grass plains.

      So you agree with keeping not mowing it. ;)

    12. Re:Best solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      fuck you

  37. Re:Neat first steps... by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

    DRTFA but assuming the circles are laid out to cover the entire lawn then it's an unconstrained 'Travelling salesman' problem, if not then it's constrained TS problem.

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  38. CNC by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

    Anyone else looked at these patterns and thought "CNC milling"?

    1. Re:CNC by quezz38 · · Score: 1

      Yep, with just a slightly larger cutter than I usually work with.

    2. Re:CNC by dtremenak · · Score: 1

      Based on that analogy, the fastest result would not necessarily be from the most distant-efficient (offset) path, but possibly from an approach that was more aware of the limitations of the mower (turning radius, acceleration, and so on), like most modern HSM toolpaths. If the ratio works out the same as for, say, Volumill, then we'd want to increase the feedrate of our ordinary 10kph mower to, say, 40kph.

      Now THAT would make mowing more fun.

    3. Re:CNC by Rufty · · Score: 1

      Yep!

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  39. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by GospelHead821 · · Score: 1

    I agree that public parks are a much better solution than large yards. Part of the problem, however, is that when you're choosing a new home, access to public recreation can be just one of many factors to choose from. It might be more important to me to be close to public transportation, the grocery store, my children's school, my job, etc. Since Americans have previously NOT chosen to build spacious parks everywhere, that might leave me without adequate access. I might, however, be able to find a larger lot of land meeting my other criteria. It's not an ideal solution but the alternative is choosing a smaller lot and then immediately start rallying for land to be purchased or rededicated for a park. Even if that works, though, I wouldn't be able to enjoy a large, open space for a few years.

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  40. Turning losses by findoutmoretoday · · Score: 1

    Even if the zero-turn is very impressive it is not the mathematical model.  When turning the width of the combined blades and the average speed will be reduced, making each turn sub optimal.  As a boy I used a(n unsafe,  think of the children) mower on a rope turning perfect spirals with a distant supervisor and finished off the in betweens in direct supervision mode.

  41. livestock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I found cows, goats and fowl to do a good job and save me lots of time.

  42. You have an answer by nedlohs · · Score: 1

    from a mathematician with a few dozen published papers and half a dozen published books on mathematics.

    So now you ask slashdot just to make sure???

  43. there ya go by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maze_solving_algorithm

  44. Turn Loose the Geese! by Toad-san · · Score: 1

    And retire to the porch with your beer.

    1. Re:Turn Loose the Geese! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then in that case, what is the most efficient way to clean up six acres of goose shit?

    2. Re:Turn Loose the Geese! by FooAtWFU · · Score: 1

      Then you need to go over the lawn with your riding goose-poop vacuum, and it's more or the same problem as the riding mower.

      (Vasona Lake County Park has a riding goose-poop vacuum. It's very strange.)

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  45. I have an even more efficient method by jrbrtsn · · Score: 1

    My goats and sheep mow the lawn while I drink beer.

    1. Re:I have an even more efficient method by cynyr · · Score: 1

      since you seem to have goats, are they smart enough to use one of those automated milking machines? goat cheese would be worth the expense i think.

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  46. Heuristic Algorithm by Len · · Score: 1

    Examination of the example in the article suggests a heuristic algorithm that should provide near-optimal solutions and is suitable for real-time execution on neural wetware.

    1. Start by mowing around the outside border.
    2. Proceed going around, from the outside in.
    3. When you reach a strip <= 3 mowers wide, clear it with short back-and-forths.

    Proof of an upper bound on excess mowing vis-a-vis the optimal solution is left as an exercise for the reader.

  47. Solution is WRONG. Look at it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think that the math is now fine but you can see that the answer is clearly wrong by looking at the result.

    Look how close to the edges you have to drive. Almost half of the lawn mower will be out of the green area. And that goes around the outer perimeter of the whole area. That just can't be simply optimal way to do it even if it produces a nice grid incide of the area.

  48. Its simple really... by armer · · Score: 1

    1. Buy beer. 2. Start mower. 3. Open beer. 4. Start "mowing and drinking" 5. Be amazed as time flies and the grass gets cut

    1. Re:Its simple really... by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

      1. Buy beer. 2. Start mower. 3. Open beer. 4. Start "mowing and drinking" 5. Be amazed as time flies and the grass gets cut

      I never had much luck with that. The engine vibration would make the beer go flat very quickly. Drinking beer fast enough to avoid the flat beer would lead to having to do a lot of it again tomorrow because I missed some.
      Missed lawn, not beer.

    2. Re:Its simple really... by wdef · · Score: 1

      I had a similar experience walking in the heat *and* drinking beer as I went for several miles. Beer-enabled exercise rules. Beer is truly a wonder drug! Of course, later that day I felt rather woozy.

  49. I have a simpler solution... by CosaNostra+Pizza+Inc · · Score: 3, Funny

    Cover your yard in asphalt and paint it green. It also doubles as a tennis/basketball court. I hate "mowing lawns".

    1. Re:I have a simpler solution... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Until it rains and it has nowhere to go as you've eliminated all natural flood defences.

    2. Re:I have a simpler solution... by cynyr · · Score: 1

      just slope it towards the neighbors house(s). Then the rain water isn't your problem.

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    3. Re:I have a simpler solution... by martin-boundary · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but the damn basket ball keeps rolling downhill, so you have to switch to playing basket cube(TM) on the weekends.

    4. Re:I have a simpler solution... by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      Cover your yard in asphalt and paint it green. It also doubles as a tennis/basketball court. I hate "mowing lawns".

      It worked for the Bradys.

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  50. Travelling salesman by SpinyNorman · · Score: 1

    Once you've represented the lawn area as a tessellation of (slightly overlapping) lawnmower-sized patches, then isn't this just the traveling salesman problem - visit all patches with the least distance traveled?

    This is a classic NP problem... if the problem size (N) is too large to fully evaluate (in this case 6 acres = 29,000 square yards, tractor area = 1 square yard, so N = 29,000 which is rather large for this type of problem), then heuristics are you're friend.

    The optimal solution, which would only apply for a circular lawn, is obviously a spiral pattern. For an irregular shape lawn one obvious heuristic would be to decompose the lawn area into a set of various sized circular blobs and do each of these in an expanding spiral pattern, then onto the next.

    A similar heuristic would be to start by spiraling inwards around the entire lawn, and "recurse" into smaller areas when they (via having narrow "neck" entrances) are about to be cut off from the main spiral - specifically when the neck has been reduced to two tractor widths wide (one path in, one path out). In fact, this may well be the optimum strategy, particularly as it takes advantage of the specific problem topology rather than being a generic traveling salesman heuristic.

    Please send cash to SpinyNorman c/o Slashdot if this makes you money!

  51. im using my scythe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and havent found the perfect way to mow my lawn.... any suggestions?

    1. Re:im using my scythe by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      im[sic] using my scythe
      and havent found the perfect way to mow my lawn.... any suggestions?

      Definitely not. If you can use a scythe without fucking up your back, you are a hero and need no help from a bunch of nerds. However, if you insist, the scythe effectively eliminates the travelling salesman problem, since there are (theoretically) zero redundant passes, since anyone who really knows how to use the instrument knows that you only cut once on a given area.

  52. I have a 4 acre lawn by Psychofreak · · Score: 1

    I have 4 acres with trees, and get sick of mowing. (I also have a 1 acre woodlot) I see that the solution given is flawed for several reasons. In the real world it will produce a poor looking finish, but that is tolerable. The lawn will be one height and neat, but not well finished. Also the mowing modeled as a circular area is a built in inefficiency, because only the edge of the circle is cutting.

    I did not get out of the setup whether edges were treated as "hard" or "soft". A hard edge you cannot pass the mower over, this would be a wall, tree, mailbox, or valuable planting. A soft edge would be a material that you can pas the mower over, this would be a driveway, patio, and certain planting bed edges.

    I find that the best balance in real world finish and speed is when I mow 2 laps around the edges so I can turn with my old school garden tractor, then to create boxes that move across the yard. This allows for maximum velocity to be maintained, long orderly cuts which provide better finished appearance than irregular turnings, and adequate turning radius for my equipment, which is very different from the OP's.

    Since my machine has a top mowing speed of about 5mph, and a 46 inch cut, this takes just under 1 hour per acre, for me. About 3 hours for 4 acres on a good day mowing neat growth. If my meadow has sat for several weeks, it will take 3 hours to mow and mulch that area alone, a common problem in the spring since it is river floodplain and will be under water a fair number of times.

    With a zero turn cutting a 60 inch path at up to 9.5mph going in straight lines will outweigh minimizing recut because slowing down to turn reduces the area cut per unit time more significantly than cutting a small area a second or third time. That is a muscle car of a lawnmower the OP is using. He should take a whole lot less time to mow than he reports, probably because of all the turns he is taking.

    Phil

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    1. Re:I have a 4 acre lawn by CityZen · · Score: 1

      If you care about the texture of the mown lawn, then you've got too much time on your hands. Go adopt some kids or something.

    2. Re:I have a 4 acre lawn by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      If you care about the texture of the mown lawn, then you've got too much time on your hands. Go adopt some kids or something.

      Why should he have to pay (presumably a second time, since he is likely a taxpayer) because two people couldn't buy a fucking rubber?

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    3. Re:I have a 4 acre lawn by CityZen · · Score: 1

      Well, I was going to say "go have kids", but that seemed globally irresponsible.
      As far as why raise kids at all, if I have to explain it, then the point is probably moot.

    4. Re:I have a 4 acre lawn by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      I have a kid. They aren't for everyone. (Like my ex-wife, for example.)

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    5. Re:I have a 4 acre lawn by wdef · · Score: 1

      This would be a reasonable suggestion if adopting a child was even one-millionth as easy as impregnating any random female and waiting 9 months. It can take years to adopt a child especially from another country where that child may face a catastrophic future. For single men in Western countries adopting a child is almost but not quite impossible afaik. With so many orphans and dying unloved kids in the world it is truly bizarre that governments keep the bar raised so high for adoption. It says that governments would rather see children die or grow up parentless than take even the slightest chance that kids might be adopted into an affluent but even slightly abusive environment. If I was the Somalian child facing death by starvation, I know which chance I would take. It's telling of our complete inability to be rational in this area.

      So: putting the lawnmower away and impregnating a random female is by far the easiest way to completely fill up your life with smelly nappies.

    6. Re:I have a 4 acre lawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The thing about a zero-turn mower is just that. They turn in their own length in about 1 second, and you are on your way back. With a rider, you either do a 3-point turn, or you do a wide 180-degree turn, both of which take several seconds. That's where the real time is saved. The larger the lawn, the more significant this becomes.

  53. obvious by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    Any other tips from Slashdot readers?

    I have found that the most efficient way to mow the lawn is to call a couple of guys, Manny and Angel, who leave the place looking great.

    The only downside, is they flirt with my daughter, my wife, my mother-in-law and probably when I'm not looking, my 8 year old border collie.

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    1. Re:obvious by RivenAleem · · Score: 1

      I'm not seeing any downside here.

  54. Herring Bone by Dr.+Zim · · Score: 1

    Some of us mow the lawn to make it look good. If it takes a little longer to leave a nice pattern, that's what headphones and a good collection of MP3s are for.

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  55. Other issues that aren't addressed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have an irregular 2 acre lawn that I mow with a Toro zero-turn.

    The problem with using TFA method is that the grass "revolts" after a while.

    Grass does not want to be cut in the same pattern each time. What I have found is that over time the use of a repetitive pattern will tend to leave clumps of long strips of grass along the paths used. Even with freshly sharpened blades for each cut this occurs.

    The manual for my tractor suggests going around the outside and then in-filling using a decreasing spiral not terribly unlike what TFA suggests. The manual is much less mathematical about it of course.

    I now use a series of 4 different patterns. I always start by doing the entire outline of the properly at the edges. Then I start mowing by effectively going north-south for the entire cutting. The next cutting I will do east-west exclusively. The third time I cut I will go diagonally to the two previous cuts. And for the fourth cut, you guessed it, I do the opposite diagonal. This has resulted in a very thick, uniform looking lawn. It also gives the lawn that overlapping golf course grid type pattern that some like.

    As far as the amount of time added/removed that it takes... regardless of the method used I am on the tractor for about 1.5 hours. The variability in time required seems to be +/- 10 minutes. I'm not going to get excited about those few minutes.

  56. Eulerian Path by shellster_dude · · Score: 2

    I believe what you are interested in is called a Eulerian Path: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eulerian_path
    Also the similarly related Hamiltonian Path: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamiltonian_path
    As others have mentioned the actual method of solving the problem is probably best defined as "The traveling salesman" problem: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traveling_salesman_problem

    Good Luck.

    1. Re:Eulerian Path by don_weber · · Score: 1

      This is how a friend of mine had his professor describe a problem to be solved. The algorithm is the basis of pocketing algorithms in NC Machining. The biggest issue is when sections close off into loops, because you will start to trace the same path, which is wasteful.

    2. Re:Eulerian Path by palinurus · · Score: 1

      it's certainly a space-filling curve problem, but it's not the traveling salesman problem. you aren't just trying to avoid revisiting nodes -- you're trying to maximize the *angle* between edges when you visit the node, to avoid overlap while you're turning the mower. which is at least an interesting wrinkle in the problem.

    3. Re:Eulerian Path by excelsior_gr · · Score: 1

      The traveling salesman only comes into play after you have determined the amount and the position of the nodes. The grass mowing problem actually was on how to discretize your domain.

    4. Re:Eulerian Path by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only if your lawn is a discrete graph....

    5. Re:Eulerian Path by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An Hamiltonian path may not exist, but an as-Hamiltonian-as-possible path going through all nodes would probably be a good thing to use.
      So, indeed that's an algorithm solving the TSP (Traveling Salesman Problem) that you need.
      There are two issues with this approach though:
      - The resulting path may not be very smooth.
      - Such algorithms may be very expensive to run, because they reason on the N*(N-1)/2 possible connections between any pair of nodes. Maybe there are more appropriate "patrolling" algorithms (which are designed for such problems).

    6. Re:Eulerian Path by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hear that a Mr. Voronoi would do the job more cheaply... :)

  57. "Any other tips from Slashdot readers?" by hyades1 · · Score: 1

    Buy a goat.

    Extra Added Advantage: At your convenience, Lawnmower Curry.

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    1. Re:"Any other tips from Slashdot readers?" by BurfCurse · · Score: 1

      I've heard goats destroy the roots. Better to go with sheep.

    2. Re:"Any other tips from Slashdot readers?" by hyades1 · · Score: 1

      Excellent point. Not advised for some areas of the southern US, though, unless you don't mind your lawn mower being kidnapped for a wedding.

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    3. Re:"Any other tips from Slashdot readers?" by Roachie · · Score: 1

      Why? is there a shortage of goats in the Northern US?

      Slow down guys, geez.

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    4. Re:"Any other tips from Slashdot readers?" by hyades1 · · Score: 1

      LMFAO

      I can note with accuracy, however, that the last guy to get caught by the cops for shafting a goat lived in West Virginia.

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  58. Reduce time in half by Manfre · · Score: 1

    Lawns do not need to be mowed weekly. Dropping to every other week will save 3 hours weekly. The optimal solution will not be able to gain that much.

    1. Re:Reduce time in half by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Incorrect. Spring time requires mowing two or more times a week, This time of year you can get 1.5-2 weeks depending on rain fall. October may require one or two cuts total.

  59. Battery by tepples · · Score: 1

    electric-powered lawn mower [...] ensure that the power cord always stays out of the way

    I thought the power cord would stay in the garage and charge the mower's battery overnight.

    1. Re:Battery by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      Batteries increase by two the number of conversions before the electricity is applied. Every conversion costs power, and as a bonus, the battery also slowly loses power just sitting there.

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    2. Re:Battery by tepples · · Score: 1

      Then why does anyone ever use a cordless home phone instead of a corded one?

    3. Re:Battery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because a phone doesn't draw much power.

    4. Re:Battery by w_dragon · · Score: 1

      A decent sized city lot will take more than a single charge to mow. Electrics are a pain, but battery forces a lot of us to mow only part of the lawn.

    5. Re:Battery by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      People value the convenience of not being tied to the wall and don't know or don't care that it is less efficient. The phone is a good example though. If you did use a corded phone, then your electricity costs for the phone would be exactly $0.00 (at least here in the states). Whereas an estimate I saw for cordless phone electric usage was about 16 cents per month. That is so small that nobody cares, yet percentagewise, it is infinitely more expensive.
      A better example would be a caller ID unit. There are battery powered ones and hardwired ones. The hardwired ones we could assume use the same electricity as a phone (almost certainly less, though). So figure 16 cents a month. The battery powered ones use batteries that must be replaced about every 3 months. At about 60 cents each, you would have used 48 cents worth of electricity (probably less) and have to pay 1.20 for new batteries.

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    6. Re:Battery by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Having to push around a bunch of batteries can be a bigger pain in the ass than just dealing with the power cord for any decent sized yard.

  60. Eliminate the time by BurfCurse · · Score: 1

    Why are we still growing grass that needs to be cut?

  61. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This is a fantastic example of how Americans take a simple problem and absolutely fuck up the solution.

    So these Americans want to partake in some outdoor activity that requires a bit of open grass. Their solution? Buy a 6 acre lawn, pay property taxes on this land, buy a lawnmower, buy fuel for the lawnmower, buy fertilizer for the lawn, and waste hours each week mowing the lawn. Even if they pay somebody to maintain it for them, it's still a huge waste of money, time, and effort.

    What do people in sensible countries do? They build parks, and everybody in the vicinity contributes a small amount of money towards its upkeep, without the burden falling directly on their shoulders. They can go use it whenever they want, and such parks are large enough that thousands of people can partake in all sorts of sports or other activities at the same time, from barbecuing, to playing catch, to even playing golf, without interfering with one another.

    Oh, wait. Parks are probably too "socialist" at best, or "communist" at worst, for most Americans.

    Having your own private 6 acre lawn is no different than companies creating their own private clouds. What if you had a family reunion and wanted to play a game of football or soccer? If you went to a park, there's a good chance you couldn't find enough space for your entire reunion plus whatever games you wanted to play.

    There's nothing wrong with having a big yard.

  62. Milling machines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There have been algorithms for about 50 years for solving the related but much more complex problem of milling. This is equivalent to a particular variant called pocket milling.

  63. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Idiot. There are plenty of parks in the United States. Many people have large lawns because they like to garden, they like to have plenty of room between themselves and their neighbors, they want to have animals, or a pool, or any number of other reasons. Not everyone wants to live in an apartment complex or in a row of attached townhouses.
    My parents live on 3 acres of a wooded hillside. I live in a suburban beighborhood on a 6,000 square foot lot.

  64. Mow in circles by Khyber · · Score: 1

    Seriously, you don't need math to know that you mow in a circle, with the ejecting side of the lawnmower facing towards the center of the yard at all times.

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    1. Re:Mow in circles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously, you don't need math to know that you mow in a circle, with the ejecting side of the lawnmower facing towards the center of the yard at all times.

      There is a little more reason for this than the ejecting. My current mower, and the past one. seem to cut more efficiently and smoothly when the blade is advancing in the direction of the travel, unmulched excess piles up on the right side and the wheels make a path. So by going in a clockwise spiral, I can slightly overlap the previous route, disperse the mulched, picking up the packed down path and get best result.

  65. this algorithm doesn't handle turns that well by lc_overlord · · Score: 1

    I have a self propelled lawnmower so as long as i hold a lever an just calmly walk behind it mowing is not an issue.
    That is until i try to turn which requires me to use a comparatively large amount of force, it also takes a lot of time as you sort of have to stop, turn then go.
    And this is where i think the algorithm is flawed, as it doesn't consider turns but only area covered.
    I find just keeping to the outer edge of the unmoved area works best while straightening out curves as best as possible, then just mowing it sector by sector (as ours is not exactly convex in shape)

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  66. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I'd rather not have neighbors. If I can see them, they're too close. In fact, if I can see them through a rifle scope, they're too close.

  67. HANK HILL AWARDED by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That is the most efficient. To have someone who makes less money.

    Slashdot needs to work on a Hank Hill Annual Award.

  68. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes Americans are too stupid to build parks, that why there aren't any in America.... Oh wait there are, but nice strawman. Did it feel good to get your moment of hate on?

  69. You dont need math. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

    I am a mesh maker and work with tessellations, (mostly in 3D but also 2D). You don't need this heavy duty math to arrive at the solution. Any area you mow more than once represents wasted effort. The simplest non intersecting path is, start at the outer edge and follow the boundary of the unmowed area and progressively you move inwards. Additional brownie points to choose the direction so that clippings are discharged into unmowed area.

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    1. Re:You dont need math. by hardtofindanick · · Score: 1

      I was thinking the same thing. Looks like an overkill for a problem that already has a pretty good solution that one can reach intuitively.

    2. Re:You dont need math. by cynyr · · Score: 1

      which as others have pointed out, works great until you count the speed penalty for turning. there is probably a faster route that has a bit of overlap, but makes the edges of the space a nice smooth path.

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    3. Re:You dont need math. by CityZen · · Score: 1

      Which way the clippings should go depends upon several factors.
      - If the lawn is moist --> toward mown side
      - If the lawn is tall (and being cut short) --> toward mown side
      - If the mower is a mulcher --> not relevant (no discharge chute)
      - If you don't care, but want to save gas --> toward mown side
      - Otherwise, toward unmown side, but...
      Continuously sending the clippings toward the unmown side can lead to build-up, which can stall the mower or lead to poorly cut grass. If the grass is short enough, though, you'll just end up mulching most of it. It can be a balancing act sometimes. If you rake, you can leave it in nice lines to rake up.

  70. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by MadMartigan2001 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's called peace and quite. Some crazy Americans believe that having enough space around you so that you cannot hear or see your neighbours is a good thing. Then, when YOU are ready to interact with people you simply go to some public space and interact. Just because some Americans don't want to live like rats in a city does not make them crazy. Some people don't mind the screaming kid next door, or the barking dog down the street but some do. Also, it's not a question of how much resources each person uses, it's a question of how many people are using them. No amount of conservation will offset unrestrained population growth.

  71. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by calzones · · Score: 2

    Get off my damn lawn!

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  72. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In fact, if I can see them through a rifle scope, they're too close.

    In unrelated news, the above poster no longer has neighbors.

  73. Waiting to see by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm waiting to see your neighbor's face as you perform the stated algorithm. They might call somebody to asses the situation.

  74. OK... by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

    I've got a better tip. Why not just get a few sheep and let them mow (and manure) the lawn? Better yet, make sure the animals are ewes and milk them. I'm a professional cheesemaker, so my choice for the product will be obvious, but ewe's milk is usually high in fat, so you can also have amazing cream (or butter).

    1. Re:OK... by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Don't do it, sheep eat grass right down to the roots and kill it.

      Get a couple of horses instead.

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    2. Re:OK... by Dexter+Herbivore · · Score: 0

      Sorry but sheep and goat's milk cheese is fking horrendous. I like what is considered by the general population as some truly horrendous tasting cheeses (blue, regiano etc) but imho sheep and goat's cheese is beyond edible.

    3. Re:OK... by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      Only if they lack sufficient amount of food. Goats however are taking out the roots too. That's one of the differences between Sheep and Goats.

      You will have to move around the sheep to different areas to make sure that the load they place on the lawn isn't too high.

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    4. Re:OK... by Doctor+Morbius · · Score: 1

      Are you kidding me? Blue and Parmesano-Reggiano cheese are some of the best cheeses. Parmesano-Reggiano cheese on spaghetti is awesome. Based on this I'm going to assume the goat and sheep cheese are pretty good.

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    5. Re:OK... by X0563511 · · Score: 0

      I'd rather keep bees. Bees are awesome. Plus, you can always take a container of them with you and unleash them on demand! ... perhaps I shouldn't keep bees?

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    6. Re:OK... by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Horses are kind of a pain in the ass. But lots of women like horses. You could even learn to ride yourself.

      How many women like sheep?

      I don't want to hang around men who like sheep, especially if they own a pair of thigh waders.

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    7. Re:OK... by HornWumpus · · Score: 0

      I would make the effort of building a bee gun. I'd start with the biggest gas powered leaf blower I could find. Cartridges being containerized hives. Africanized bees.

      Everything is a weapon. My cats are almost as good as my dogs. Difference being I have to throw the cats into the targets face. The dogs attach to his limbs by themselves.

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    8. Re:OK... by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      . I like what is considered by the general population as some truly horrendous tasting cheeses (blue, regiano etc) but imho sheep and goat's cheese is beyond edible.

      A popular author has opined, through the mouth of a cheese-loving character so fromag-ophile you'd expect him to be French (if it weren't for the "asiatic look", the "Wu" surname, and the residence near Tehran), that :

      One man's cheese is another man's rotten milk.

      Your barf bucket is to the left.

      Some people would consider that a good meal, in a bucket.

      I wonder if the security staff - Masai - are getting their regular meal (milk curdled with cows blood), or just having the same as everyone else.

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  75. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Parks used to be nice. Let me give you an example - the park near my house. It was well maintained and had access at the back to a walkway system that goes along a drainage canal and is very good for talking walks away from traffic, etc. Well, funding gets cut. The grass doesn't get mowed enough - you can no longer easily practice soccer there with the grass so long. Gophers moved in. Now you can't easily play aerobee because you will break an ankle while sprinting for the disk. Drug dealers (the low end kids, not the high ups) moved in and the cities response was to close up the access to the walking path behind the park, "because the dealers escape from the cops back there". Now we don't go to the park anymore.

  76. Like a tour... by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

    I just drive around the edge until it all disappears. You simply have to not care about the track pattern. If you're going for track pattern: one can't help the obsessive.

  77. Wrong assumption by The+Creator · · Score: 1

    Why did you immediately assume less lawn meant less land? The area around the lawn could still be yours, but, for example, be used for growing useful stuff. (Food, biofuel...)

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  78. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by SwedishPenguin · · Score: 1

    Wouldn't finding a 6 acre lot close to public transportation be a lot harder than finding a small lot close to public transportation *and* a public park? Public transport usually doesn't serve such sparsely populated areas very frequently... Same goes for grocery store, school and jobs, all are much more likely to be within walking distance of a densely populated area with a park nearby than in a sparsely populated area with 6 acre lots.

  79. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by BrokenHalo · · Score: 2

    Yeah, but then if Americans built parks, they'd have to get to know their neighbours.

    Well, there's something to that, but it's not exclusive to Merkins. I have a largeish property (>100 acre) in Tasmania which might be regarded as a de facto park in the sense that I do absolutely nothing to discourage the occasional bushwalker from scrambling across, but I also do not have to worry about installing curtains or blinds in my windows. After all, anyone coming past my house after dark is likely to break their necks, assuming they don't get eaten by drop-bears. ;-)

  80. Mowing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have about 3.5 acres of lawn and I enjoy the weekly "chore" of grooming it. It is a time to ponder the fate of planet earth or when to visit the grand kids again. I really can't think of any negatives to mowing the grass other than the price of gas.

  81. Captain obvious by justthinkit · · Score: 1
    So the long winded blah blah blah page concludes, at the bottom, that you follow the perimeter, moving the mower in one row at a time, until you get to the center. Exactly like any 9-year-old kid does without anyone telling them. Amazing!

    What is next, analyzing the fastest way to brush our teeth? I'll try not to give away the best approach.

    Next week, kids, we move on to tire rotation.

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    1. Re:Captain obvious by Reziac · · Score: 1

      And that 9 year old kid goes to show that our brains have some pretty good heuristic software. :)

      I can see where the calculated path approach might be useful -- with the price of diesel today, you don't want to waste any that you can avoid. So farmers with irregular plots might find this useful, if adapted to take input (swath length, turning radius, etc.)

      Tho chances are most farmers can calculate the path in their heads as well as any 9 year old kid with a lawn mower.

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    2. Re:Captain obvious by eharvill · · Score: 1

      I prefer this method.

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  82. Re:3 hours of mowing? Enjoy? by morari · · Score: 1

    Exactly. Bragging about how he enjoys to mow his lawn every single week with his John Deere 757 zero-turn makes makes him a yuppie and a complete tool. He obviously needs to move out of suburbia.

    I have about three acres of actual yard. Not lawn, but yard. It's a mix-match of various grasses and is anything but flat. The other four acres of my property is hardwoods, and beyond that is nationally protected forest. It has also been my goal to outright eliminate the lawn immediately surrounding my house. I've taken a somewhat similar path by planting trees and laying down stone walkways everywhere. I've been pleased to see that while the grass doesn't fair very well, I have a lot of soft moss coming up instead. It's been too hot to really plant any younglings this year, but I'm hoping to get a bunch of ferns in next spring. They're provide even better ground cover for the moss, and also make the ground a little more varied and interesting.

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  83. Tie it to a pole with a rope and let it mow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tie it to a pole with a rope and let it mow circularly without human behind it.
    https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-ft5kOozZ9aM/TjJTKAgyTQI/AAAAAAAAFdU/5-zSQzE83dU/7492_18cc.gif
    https://picasaweb.google.com/emil.oppeln.bronikowski/2011072802#5634657515195223298

  84. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by Seumas · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What the fuck do you care how big someone's yard is? Petty little shit.

  85. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by Seumas · · Score: 2, Informative

    Let's see -- let little Johnny run off to play all day in an unsupervised parka couple miles away. Or . . . have a nice big backyard where a boy can be a boy and have fun doing kid stuff all day, with a parent on the premises (even if not directly observing). Yeah, gee. A park sounds perfect.

    Especially considering how shitty a lot of parks are. Whether we're just talking idiots who let their dogs crap all over them to thugs hanging out causing trouble.

  86. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not sure if you've been to America, but we actually have a lot of parkland. The National Park Service alone, which excludes all the state and local parks, oversees parks that in total have an area roughly the size of Germany. Yes, it seems silly for one person to need all that lawn, but on the flip side, if the area is that sparsely populated, there does not seem a need for a park like you describe at the neighborhood level. Especially since the neighborhood in this case likely doesn't exist.

  87. Mowing the lawn on a triangular lattice by ejoty · · Score: 1
    The authors cover the lawn with a triangular grid graph. Mowing at every Vertex is mowing the entire lawn. They say that finding "an efficient path is easily achieved by well-known computer search algorithms". With some simple search algorithm finding a reasonably good path may be simple but the problem of the optimal path can be very hard.
    A perfect mowing mows at every vertex exactly once. The perfect mowing exists if there is a hamiltonian path in the triangular grid graph on the lawn. In general the hamiltonian path problem is NP-complete even on the triangular grid graph. However [1] states:

    A hamiltonian cycle in a connected, locally connected triangular grid graph (not isomorphic to D) can be found in polynomial time.

    D is the linearly-convex hull of the Star of David. A polynomial time algorithm which is not exactly simple is available in [2]. It can be applied to solid grid graphs.
    This approximately means if your lawn is not shaped like the Star of David and does not enclose any trees, bushes or ponds, you can implement the algorithm from [2] and get an perfect mowing path in polynomial time.
    [1] Gordon, Orlovich, Werner. COMPLEXITY OF THE HAMILTONIAN CYCLE PROBLEM IN TRIANGULAR GRID GRAPHS
    [2] W. Lenhart and C. Umans. Hamiltonian Cycles in Solid Grid Graphs

  88. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm allergic to poor people, you insensitive clod!

  89. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    First of all, the vast majority of americans live crunched together like sardines, we know our neighbors. Second, we have parks, but parks have a lot of rules and regulations about how they are to be used, what is and is not allowed, etc. Some of the rules are good, some are set up by the hive-mind's most insidious members (the people who block efforts to remove alchohol purchase on sunday laws, and push for violence in video games laws). If you want to fly remote controlled planes, for example, you're all but out of luck in most parks, even though a good many of them do not have enough people for this to actually be dangerous.

    Finally, it is the preference of many not to have to live so close to their neighbors that they can see their nose hair. Most of us cannot afford to do so: the places were there is land are not places where there are jobs. But that does not reduce our desire to make it happen in our lifetime.

  90. AutoMow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You just need to get the Google Mower 500! Actually, a friend developed an automated circular system using a self-propelled mower, a rope and a pipe. The mower was tethered to the pipe and as it moved forward it wrapped the rope around the pipe and was pulled ever closer. An egg timer solved termination by triggering manual intervention.

  91. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by m.ducharme · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well let's see: when I was a little boy we went unsupervised all the time. Violent crime has gone steadily down since I was a kid so why are people are more afraid of letting their kids play unsupervised? Just because we've been trained to fear danger more and more doesn't mean that we or our kids are actually in more danger.

    And also, one of the perks of living in a neighbourhood where the families are acquainted with each other is that even when your eyes are not on your kid, other neighbours' eyes are, and if something goes wrong you can count on them to help your kid if needed (with the understanding that you do the same for your neighbour's kid). I'm not a Christian by any means, but "love thy neighbour" was a good practical piece of advice.

    The people using the parks will act much less like assholes if they know each other. This is what community is all about. People behave better to those they know than those they don't know. It's the Golden Rule in action.

    As for the condition of your parks, might I suggest a modest tax increase, sufficient to allow the municipality to maintain the parks? And failing that, a neighbourhood park maintenance co-op group?

    Using your shitty parks as an excuse not to get to know your neighbours, when getting to know them is the best, cheapest solution to your shitty-park problem betrays a shocking lack of reasoning on your part. And yet you're not stupid (presumably). Have we come so far in our hyper-individualistic culture that we can't even see neighbourliness as a possible solution to our problems? Even the problems that were created by hyper-individualism in the first place?

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  92. I do this for a living by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As a person who does lawn maintenance for a living I have found out one fact: the less you turn the better. I always begin by mowing the edges and odd parts of the yards to form a rectangle or square and go from there. You can mow much faster in a straight line than you can mowing in turns. Also when coming up against a tree, fire hydrant or anything in the lawn I always 2 do circular cuts around the object then continue on (saves time on edging later on, I work alone).
    Keep in mind nearly all of my accounts are lawns (not fields), under 2 acres and residential dwellings. This is a living where time IS actually money. There faster I go, the more I mow the better I eat.

    Love!

  93. Save time and money - plant some trees by Doofus · · Score: 1

    Unless you live in the US Midwest, where grasslands are natural habitat, you should plant some trees on that six acre plot of earth.

    In most of the rest of the country, the natural habitat is NOT grassland, its either woodlands, desert, or wetlands.

    If you simply must have grass, don't mow it a large portion of the six acres, let it mature into a semi-natural meadow.

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  94. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A lot of people in other countries really have no idea on just how big the United States is. I had a friend that lived in an area that had 2800 people in a county the size of new jersey (a county not a state, not a country, a county). That is 1355 miles per person. In that entire area there were two community owned parks and each was smaller than a normal yard. In an area where it can take over an hour to drive to the nearest park what would you do? Your thoughts of a central community park work fine in any urban area even in a suburb but in rural america its insane. Lots of places in America do have parks, and I'm pretty sure if you took all of our parks together they would be bigger than England and some of your other "enlightened" countries. This does not include private parks, golf courses, national forests, private gardens, public gardens, and of course six acre lawns. You can take your little "caravan" down to your community park, and listen to the community rail, the nearby highway, and the thousands of people that flock to the nearest green patch of grass. I personally will take great delight in the sounds of local wild life, the wind in the trees, and horses in the nearby field, while sitting on my green lawn drinking a nice cup of tea.

  95. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your reply is a fantastic example of a douchebag jumping to conclusions based on zero knowledge, only assumptions, regarding something that has zero effect on said douchebag.

    Why do you care that he opted to not live in an environment where houses are packed in densely and yards are tiny? If he wants it, and he can afford it, good for him.

    In short, fuck you.

  96. If only foreigners had a clue about US parks ... by perpenso · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I hate to intrude on your little fantasy with reality but there are plenty of public parks in the USA. When folks are referencing 6 acre plots of land for their home they are generally in rural areas. Such areas commonly have natural fields, woods, etc nearby so public parks are less of a necessity.

    Perhaps you should consider that many people outside the US are misinformed regarding life in the US, just as many in the US are misinformed about life outside the US.

  97. Another suggestion... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get out more.

  98. Most efficient method. by koan · · Score: 1

    Goats.

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  99. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by techusky · · Score: 1

    Having your own private 6 acre lawn is no different than companies creating their own private clouds. Plus, what if you had a family reunion and wanted to play a game of football or soccer? If you went to a park, there's a good chance you couldn't find enough space for your entire reunion plus whatever games you wanted to play. There's nothing wrong with having a big yard.

  100. Geek solution by perpenso · · Score: 1

    But this is slashdot so the geek solution would be more appropriate. Robotics. A "roomba" lawn mower. :-)

    1. Re:Geek solution by eharvill · · Score: 1
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  101. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by FooAtWFU · · Score: 1

    Yeah, but then if Americans built parks, they'd have to get to know their neighbours.

    And in some places, "their neighbors" in the parks are crazy homeless guys (who may or may not be doing drugs or litter playgrounds with biohazard sharps).

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  102. Here's an even bigger problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How much beer will be consumed during the mowing activity? Assuming you bring the beer with you in a small cooler (because who wants to walk across six acres just to get another one) will the mowing get done before the ice melts and the beer gets warm?

  103. one pattern not enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone who has mowed the same lawn repeatedly knows that to mow it exactly the same way time after time damages the lawn. Any "optimal" solution will almost certainly be series of patterns mowed on the same lawn so as not to damage the lawn.

    See section: Change Direction Each Time You Mow:
    http://www.homeimprovementsdepot.com/lawn-mowing-tips-and-tricks-to-keep-your-lawn-green/

  104. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by canistel · · Score: 0

    Here is a typical non-american talking strongly about something he knows very little about. The nearest park from my house is 15 minute car-drive away. Some of us live in rural areas, and yes, we like lawn. OP was not complaining about the negative aspects, simply stating that there is a more efficient way of solving a common "problem". In short, please keep your un-informed opinions to yourself; thanks...

  105. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by Shark · · Score: 1

    I've been reading rational and articulated posts defending people's big lawns for about 10 minutes now... Then I come across this.

    You sir summed it up better than everyone else and make me wish I had mod points.

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  106. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    @AC and Monsieur Douche Army:

    Ah, there's that European elitism I remember so well! It must be coming out of the woodwork in response to all this "credit rating downgrade" hogwash, as if we couldn't cure 100% of our deficit problems OVERNIGHT, and our debt problems IN A DECADE by making you pasty fuckers handle your own security!

    If you'll excuse me, I'll just call all our boys home from Germany. I'm sure y'all won't mind the occasional German or even Russian houseguest you might be called upon to lodge involuntarily. And God knows your women are longing for some of that Sausage with Sauerkraut they used to get so often.

    Enjoy the schadenfreude while it lasts, Eurotards. I'm sure the collapse of your "single currency" will go along just *peacefully*, and we *won't* have to come running to your rescue yet again. Yeah, that Euro lasted a long time didn't it? We've had a single currency for, oh, two hundred years, and you couldn't manage two decades!

    And I hear you: "America's debt problems are really all about the oil wars". Yep, I agree. Plenty of us do. And we're trying to do something about it.

    But just remember, Eurokids: we DO have energy alternatives, and we kinda invented high-tech and green-tech, so we'll be sure to offer you the "friend" discount when your "petrol" supplies are cut off by the Bear, the Dragon, and the Arabs....the "Friend That's There When They Need Us Discount", that is.

  107. Shape is important. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you are talking about an irregular lawn (say, an H shape), mowing one half (in spiraling-out circles), then switching to cover the center section in as few passes as possible, then spiraling inward on the other half would seem to be the most efficient method.

    Factor in a swath to return to refuel when needed. Also, other irregular shapes would add in more figuring (say, a |-|-| shape; mow one side, mow a swath to reach the far side across the top or bottom of the middle section, then finish in the middle).

    I don't see how a computer algorithm would make this any easier than just figuring out the path in your head; an algorithm can't calculate in rest breaks, refueling stops, etc. any easier than common sense.

  108. Love this post by movbxax · · Score: 1

    I spent my teenage years mowing my parents 3 acre lawn with a tractor and gang mower and always trying to figure out the optimum method. My favorite was the random swaths, but maybe not the most efficient. I think that got me interested in computer programming, algorithms, and graphic design. Remember, Philo Farnsworth invented television by looking at corn fields.

  109. Come on! by patchouly · · Score: 1

    While I appreciate the mathematics and the problem involved, why the heck does the guy have a lawn so large that it take a full three hours to cut? This feels more like a "Hey look guys, I can afford a lawn that is so big, it take three hours to cut!" more than any sort of real request for help with the math.

  110. WTF!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why would anyone want 6 acres of grass lawn!? Do some landscaping, plant trees and shrubs, make a walking path, add a rock waterfall with a small pond, anything to make the area more interesting! Grass is boring!! If you really want a boring 6 acre space, plant some ground cover that doesn't need mowing!

  111. Ask Slashdot? Realy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So these scientists basically do all this stuff, come up with a solution, and say it's easily solved with commonly used methods. Yet... you think the Slashdotters will come up with something better? Really? You do realize 99% of Slashdotters only know what they read on Slashdot, right?

  112. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by Dexter+Herbivore · · Score: 1

    Oh... for some mod points right now.

  113. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by Dexter+Herbivore · · Score: 1

    In fact, if I can see them through a rifle scope, they're too close.

    For them, maybe. :)

  114. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by Dexter+Herbivore · · Score: 1, Insightful

    What's that? You have an irrational fear of public places that you wish to transfer to your children?

  115. Re:Retirees? by Dexter+Herbivore · · Score: 1

    Who the hell has time to get up in the morning and mow the fucking six-acre lawn? Don't these people have jobs? Night life? Anything?

    Welcome to the joy of Daylight Saving Time.

  116. A lawn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unless youre in the british isles you probably shouldnt have one of these. I hate invasive lifeforms. Hard to get more cardeinals when 50,000 starlings occupy each tree.

    Though I think a specific form of invasive species is mostly responsible for this. Its just that reducing its numbers tends to make the internet angry.

  117. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You do know that the au in .com.au means Australia?

  118. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2

    This is a fantastic example of how Americans take a simple problem and absolutely fuck up the solution.
    So these Americans want to partake in some outdoor activity that requires a bit of open grass. Their solution? Buy a 6 acre lawn, pay property taxes on this land, buy a lawnmower, buy fuel for the lawnmower, buy fertilizer for the lawn, and waste hours each week mowing the lawn. Even if they pay somebody to maintain it for them, it's still a huge waste of money, time, and effort.

    I didn't read anywhere in the poster's comments that he bought 6 acres for outdoor activity. He has 6 acres; he wants help in finding the best way to mow it. Would you rather he bought the land and not maintained it? Then you would be griping about how lazy Americans are.

    What do people in sensible countries do? They build parks, and everybody in the vicinity contributes a small amount of money towards its upkeep, without the burden falling directly on their shoulders. They can go use it whenever they want, and such parks are large enough that thousands of people can partake in all sorts of sports or other activities at the same time, from barbecuing, to playing catch, to even playing golf, without interfering with one another.

    In some parts of America, 6 acres is cheap. Not in New York or San Francisco where land is at a premium but places like Montana, Texas, etc, you can buy 6 acres easily. So you would rather have the person donate 6 acres as a park instead of owning land as he might wish? For some sparsely populated areas of the country, there's little point in donating 6 acres to a park because no one is going to use it. As a comparison, France has about 116 persons /sq km. Texas has 37.5 persons /sq km and Montana has 2.5 persons /sq km.

    Frankly you don't know his situation but somehow you know what the "sensible" thing to do is in this situation. He made a choice to own land; he made a choice to upkeep as he sees fit. I think it's downright arrogant for you to tell him how to handle his property.

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  119. Global optimization problem by mysidia · · Score: 1

    To minimize the amount of time spent mowing, get someone else to do it, e.g. hire some neighbor's kid.

    To minimize the amount of resources spent mowing, forego mowing entirely.

  120. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by Osgeld · · Score: 1

    I have had both and its much nicer to sit on your back porch and not have to deal with the 100 shit head kids on the entire block all fighting over what equates to an acre across everyones back yard, or listening to your next door neighbor take a dump

    I presume your in a city in a city, you guys would rather be touching total strangers that haven't bathed in a month, all day every day for your entire lives while living in a shoe-box that cost more than all than you have listed, its amazing

    its not socialist, or communist, we have tons of parks in America, we just don't worship them as the last chunk of unpaved land in our entire country as you obviously do

  121. Similar to flood fill? by SuperTechnoNerd · · Score: 1

    Would this be similar to a polygon flood fill algorithm?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_fill

    1. Re:Similar to flood fill? by CityZen · · Score: 1

      An issue is that 180 degree (or otherwise tight) turns are not as efficient as less tight turns.

  122. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by ToasterMonkey · · Score: 1

    This is a fantastic example of how Americans take a simple problem and absolutely fuck up the solution.

    So these Americans want to partake in some outdoor activity that requires a bit of open grass. Their solution? Buy a 6 acre lawn, pay property taxes on this land, buy a lawnmower, buy fuel for the lawnmower, buy fertilizer for the lawn, and waste hours each week mowing the lawn. Even if they pay somebody to maintain it for them, it's still a huge waste of money, time, and effort.

    What do people in sensible countries do? They build parks, and everybody in the vicinity contributes a small amount of money towards its upkeep, without the burden falling directly on their shoulders. They can go use it whenever they want, and such parks are large enough that thousands of people can partake in all sorts of sports or other activities at the same time, from barbecuing, to playing catch, to even playing golf, without interfering with one another.

    Oh, wait. Parks are probably too "socialist" at best, or "communist" at worst, for most Americans.

    ^ jealous of our cheap land

  123. FIrst World Problem by Dahamma · · Score: 1

    "I have a 6 acre lawn and I'm trying to take less than 3 hours to mow it."

  124. Automate! by wildfish · · Score: 1

    A friend has a self-propelled mower tethered by a rope to a pipe located in the middle of his yard. The mower propels forward and slowly spirals in as the rope wraps around the pipe. He drinks a beer and enjoys mowing his lawn too.

    1. Re:Automate! by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

      A friend has a self-propelled mower tethered by a rope to a pipe located in the middle of his yard.

      Seriously fuel-inefficient. The outer rings will have significant overlap, cutting the same grass 2 or 3 times.

  125. This is a standard problem in CAM systems by Animats · · Score: 3, Insightful

    All modern computer-aided machining systems have solvers for this problem. When you tell a CAM system to machine an arbitrary area, it computes a tool path to do the job. Here's MasterCam doing it. Even low-end 2D CAM systems can solve the lawnmower problem. High-end systems can solve much tougher problems, automatically deciding what tool to use, clearing big areas with big tools and finishing up the tight spots with small ones. The most advanced CAM tools can do that in 3D on very complex objects.

    1. Re:This is a standard problem in CAM systems by skelly33 · · Score: 1

      This was the first thing that came to mind for me as well, however the next thought was: are the CAM programs actually have any reason to optimize the path? Once an area is machined out, there's nothing to prevent the tool from crossing that same area repeatedly without any cost to the machine unless they are truly designed to minimize running time... (?) I have never worked with CAM software, so just curious...

    2. Re:This is a standard problem in CAM systems by Animats · · Score: 1

      unless they are truly designed to minimize running time

      A CAM system has to deal with a number of goals. Minimizing running time is one of the major goals. Early CAM systems were poor at this, but modern ones are quite good.

      If a tool is moved over an area it has already covered, it is normally lifted from the surface and moved much faster. Re-cutting a previously cut area is not only inefficient, but can leave tool marks. However, there's usually overlap between each pass, to get a smoother surface. (40% overlap is common for metal cutting on a final pass; 10% overlap is used in rough cutting.)

    3. Re:This is a standard problem in CAM systems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get a Dixie Chopper and finish in an hour.. http://www.dixiechopper.com/

      Big bad ass machine. The best geek solution - throw hardware at the problem!

  126. This proof is flawed! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Consider a large, rectangular lawn that can be mowed with excellent efficency by going in long, parallel lines. If the lawn is large enough, turns and corners become negligible and the mowing time is dominated by the number and length of the lines. In the triangulation method, parallel lines have a significant overlap, so it is certainly less optimal than a rectangular pattern that offers zero overlap for parallel lines.

  127. There is no optimal path by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You may find the most efficient path for mowing, but it won't be optimal for the lawn. Grass should not be cut in the same pattern every time. It should be alternated between horizontal, vertical, and both diagonals. This helps keep the grass healthy and prevents it from beginning to lean.

  128. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by NeoMorphy · · Score: 0

    I can telecommute to work from home while my daughter plays in the backyard with her friends. I can't do that at the park. People in sensible countries obviously don't have to work, I wish we had that luxury.

    Public parks have their own problems. Since even lowlife scumbags are allowed there you have to deal with litter, dog poop, broken beer bottles. What is with the broken beer bottles? This is the kind of stupidity that will cause glass beer bottles to be banned! Public parks are ruined by the lowlife losers.

    Central Park in New York had a serious crime problem until they gave it it's own police department. Maybe sensible countries don't have criminals?

  129. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by mikael · · Score: 1

    "Trespassers will be shot!"
    "Survivors will be shot again!"

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  130. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by Surt · · Score: 0

    What do you do when the hooligans wont share the park? (For example, if you came to play frisbee, and a soccer game is occupying the full field). This happens all the time in countries that build parks instead of lawns.

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  131. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by Surt · · Score: 2

    I don't see what aspect of his claim was irrational. That's the reality of public places these days, and frankly it was that bad when the economy was in good shape, I dread seeing what it will be like in a year or two.

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  132. First to File Patent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just patented 'A Method to Mow Lawns More Efficiently". Now, what again was your name and address?

  133. herbivores by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get some sheep or rabbits or both, and you won't need to mow and you'll keep your carbon footprint down. Lawns only appeared in the 18th century as a way for the elite to show off their wealth and that they were rich enough to have meadows that did not need animals to keep the grass down.

  134. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because America is the only country where people own lots of lands and mansions. America has plenty of parks, even in places like new york city where land prices are astronomical small playground parks pop up all over the place with a few larger ones sprinkled all about the city. I don't see how your statement is exclusively American, or how America has a lack of parks? Pull up some numbers and prove that America is lacking in parks, bring up numbers comparing what % of our population owns six-acre back yards, compared to other developed nations.

  135. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

    Plant trees on the 6 acres and you will have less lawn to worry about. And less visibility towards your neighbors.

    If you are worried about trespassers - make sure that you have holly and poison ivy growing. Anyone stupid enough to trespass will get punished in an appropriate way.

    If you just want something nice - plant some beech, oak, birch and pine. Mixed growth usually looks better, and it is great to dampen storm winds.

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  136. What the hell is the rush? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mowing the lawn is the only time I can't hear my wife or kids. It's like meditation. "Leave Daddy alone - he's mowing the lawn"

    1. Re:What the hell is the rush? by CityZen · · Score: 1

      Amen, brother.

  137. had me till you said JD zero turn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Than I realized you are just another tool flexing their epeen with the "brand" they own.

  138. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by m.ducharme · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Junkies and drug dealers can be gotten rid of by families actually using the parks; nobody wants to do a deal or shoot up where there are a dozen respectable folk with cell phones hanging around.

    As for the homeless and crazy, maybe it's not such a bad thing to expose your children to these people, even encourage your kids to talk to them; might make your kids wonder why the richest country in the world even has homeless and crazy people wandering around. It might even make them wonder if there's anything they can do about it.

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  139. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by m.ducharme · · Score: 1

    The economy was good, but the poor were still getting poorer, and the middle class were getting increasingly more self-centred and scared of their own shadows.

    But don't worry, in a year or two, if we don't reverse the trend toward a more community-oriented attitude, you might even get to experience what it's like to have to sleep in a park yourself, along with me and the rest of the middle class. See you there.

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  140. No mow no mo! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    *shudders* mowing a lawn is the most foolish bit of self-induced slavery I've ever been party to - and I vow, 'no mow no mo!'

    It is a waste of my time to cut down carbon containing plant fiber to either a) mulch it back into the soil or b) send it to landfill.

    It is a waste of fuel too, pouring all that fuel-carbon into the air, and damaging the ozone too (when you refuel and sunlight finds the fumes).

    Instead, I garden. I grow vegetables and eat the produce. It is the best, freshest way to get your food. It is a relaxing past-time and can be done in a ultra-low-labor way (cover ground with weed barrier to avoid weeding labor, use simple metal stake and metal fencing to let your plants climb tall and not crowd each other while they maximize the sun engergy captured).

    My former front lawn is flowers and berries to attract insect eating birds and pollenating bees too. My former back yard is vegetable plot, producing enough tomato, pepper, broccolli and cabbage to augment my own diet and that of four neighbors' for the summer, as well as allowing for preserved foods that last me into the winter and sometimes beyond.

    If you don't need/want the food yourself, donate it to a local community program!

    Grassed lawns are an archaic status symbol of european aristocracy. GET OVER IT ALREADY!

  141. In California it's goats by istartedi · · Score: 1

    I see goats all the time here taking down high grass. This works well in CA because you only need to take the grass down for the dry season.

    In climates with year-round rain, the goats would have to be trucked in more often.

    If you don't want barnyard animals running around, my other suggestion is "plant trees". Mowing them is much less frequent, and much more profitable.

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    1. Re:In California it's goats by Warwick+Allison · · Score: 1

      And with goats rather than sheep, you get the bonus of having no trees after a couple of seasons of their browsing.

  142. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by X0563511 · · Score: 1

    Sorry, I can't hear you from way over there!

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  143. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by Dr+Herbert+West · · Score: 1

    +1 FTW!

  144. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Using the term "typical non-american" makes you a typical american.

  145. Bad Math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why was this triangular grid chosen? Why do the circles overlap? If you mow in parallel runs you get constant overlap. Anyone could get a better result from any number of straightforward paths along a "square" grid without overlapping circles.

  146. Typical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Like most algorithm articles, the solution is described but the mowing is left "as an exercise for the reader".

  147. Big lawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I love my lawn and it's 7 acres with forest around keeping the neighbors at a distance. Land is cheap around here so you easily can afford it.

  148. problem already solved. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you never mow the same spot twice, you have 100% efficiency. There are plenty of ways to mow any shaped lawn without covering the same spot twice. heres an example

    if its a square, circle the border and eventually make your way inwards.

    if you have a series of interconnected areas, circle the radius of one sector at a time.

    Eventually you hit an obstacle such as a small tree in your way. circle around it when you are near it. You're only visiting that location once.

    seriously this is not that complicated. its how your parents should have shown you.

  149. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by Urkki · · Score: 2

    I'd rather not have neighbors. If I can see them, they're too close. In fact, if I can see them through a rifle scope, they're too close.

    Of course, because if you can see them through a scope, it means they can see you the same way. That's why everybody should have large enough security perimeter around their home, as well as over-the-horizon offensive capability. Why put one's family into unnecessary risk which can be easily avoided?

  150. I've actually by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    been doing this myself for quite some time, it's quite effective and makes a nice pattern of the outlines of the lawn and bushes spiraling towards a single point.. you have to carry the mower to it's shed to preserve the pattern tho :P(not worth it).... as any lawnmowing tho, it's booring as hell..

    1. Re:I've actually by CityZen · · Score: 1

      As a kid I enjoyed trying all different kinds of patterns:
      - back & forth stripes (at various angles)
      - going round the outside & spiraling in
      - starting in a circle in the middle & spiraling out.
      - randomly cruising around...
      Usually, though, it seemed like spiraling in was the fastest way. There was always the issue of pocket areas that get cut off from the rest, and exactly how do you finish up that irregular part left in the middle of each area (without a zero-turn radius mower).

  151. Who didn't already know this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a fairly obvious solution. I always mow this way.

  152. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're far less likely to get killed by other park users (who you claim "don't interfer[e] with one another") in your own big yard.

    Also, you can't use a park "whenever [you] want"; typically it has to be while the park is open, which in many places mean no after-dark access. It also can mean no park access if the city has spent itself into a budget crisis - even if you could personally fund the upkeep of the portion of the park large enough for you to enjoy, once the government has spent the money elsewhere, you don't have a choice until times are better.

    It's typically frowned-upon to put up a hammock in a park. Also, the people who "don't interfer[e] with one another" may make more noise than you'd like. Many parks disallow alcohol, as well. (And they disallow guns; the incident I've noted above involved both, so now you have the problem that if you follow the law, you can have a very different park experience from those who don't follow the law. In your yard, it'll be different.)

    People don't leave as much trash all over your yard as they do at parks, for some reason. You could also go there naked, in many cases, if you wanted to. The grass might be nicer. You can choose what plants and trees are planted, and where, in case you care about that sort of thing.

  153. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

    I think the gist of the grandparent post was that if everybody didn't waste so much space, time, and money on individual huge yards then the park wouldn't have to be a couple miles away, but rather a couple blocks away (or closer). Where I live the lots are 1/4 acre, which is still plenty big for barbecuing, gardening, and keeping outdoor pets (most of my neighbors have dogs, and one even has chickens), and I've got 3 pretty big parks within a 1-mile radius.

    Also, my neighborhood has a "parents network" that organizes playgroups; there's a very decent chance that the park would have a parent on premises.

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  154. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

    He has 6 acres; he wants help in finding the best way to mow it. Would you rather he bought the land and not maintained it?

    Yes, I would. If all he's doing is wasting resources maintaining it, it's better off returning to its natural state. At least then it would become a habitat for wildlife (something we need definitely need more of). Plus, unless he lives in an arid area, it would eventually produce timber.

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  155. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The OP probably doesn't believe in the right to property - he seems veeeeerrry left leaning.

  156. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

    I'm not buying your strawman argument. In reality either the park is much bigger than a soccer field or there are a whole bunch of tiny parks and you could just go to the next one a block over to find space to play frisbee.

    If your parks really are tiny and far apart, then it means you live in an utter shithole that's worse even than US cities at funding parks.

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  157. Harrowing, harvesting a field, scything a pasture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All pretty much the same problem. But as anyone who's driven a large tractor or even a riding mower knows, there's a limited turning radius. This discussion leaves this out (there are 0-turning radius mowers, though). Further, there's a desire when mowing to discharge over already-mowed areas (although some people like to keep pushing clippings to the center, it's hard on the mower), so you want to keep the path oriented properly all the time.

  158. Missing a heuristic by Jay+L · · Score: 1

    Optimal satisfaction with your zero-radius mower, and the fact that you bought it, requires that the number of U-turns be maximized.

  159. Re:Eulerian Path? No, Bridges of Konigsberg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think this would be better classified as a "bridges of konigsberg" problem. Yes, Euler wrote a paper on it, and yes, people refer to at as an eulerian path problem sometimes.

    But basically, the key to the problem is that you can only have an eulerian path in a "bridges of konigsberg" problem, if your number of vertices of odd degree (paths in/out is an odd number) is two or zero.

    If the number of vertices of odd degree is two, you have to start at at one of them, and end at the other.

    But that said, you can still minimize the path by successively cutting your areas in two, keeping the number of vertices of odd degree minimized. Then you only enter and leave that area an even number of times. Not that that solution generates the answer, but the answer will follow that solution.

    Perhaps to help generate the answer, your cutting the area in "half" needs to zero the vertices of odd degree of one (non-half) piece, while minimizing the number of introduced vertices of odd degree of the other piece.

    But ... that leads us back to a previous situation: In picking your circles of lawnmower width, there are an infinite variety of points to choose. Because of that, you should be able to keep your number of vertices of odd degree two zero. At that point, you should be able to generate a path through all of them, by basically splitting the area in two, and entering the area once and leaving it once.

    Anyhow, I'd suggest that one should read "Euler's Gem". It's an entertaining read, which will then allow one to solve this problem (or more rightly, to identify this problem as already solved.)

  160. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by NemoinSpace · · Score: 1

    Parks??? You mean like Central Park (NYC)
    NOW GET OFF MY LAWN !!!

  161. Solution is very easy - minimize turns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have ~6 acre lawn also and use a JD 855 to cut it. While the plot itself is rectangular, it is bisected by a curvy driveway.

    Without using any mathematics, I arrived the fastest/most efficient route by analysis. It's very simple: The fewer turns you make, the more efficient the cut. For 2 reasons: Every turn follows a radius which introduces overlap of lawn already cut and for every turn you generally have to slow down - so the longer it takes. Leading to my one simple rule: Cut the largest number of longest swaths that you can without making turns.

    Now because it's recommended that one should always change the cuts on the lawn, my most efficient time for 6 acres comes in at about 2hr:45minutes, my most inefficient cut (a diamond cut like you see on baseball fields) comes in at 3 hrs:45 minutes.

    1. Re:Solution is very easy - minimize turns by mckennabluedot.com · · Score: 1

      Yes, I totally agree. I used to mow a mere 1.5 acres and it was all about minimizing turns of the 90 or 180 degree variety. I once tried to start in the middle and just mow a big spiral. It started out great except the mostly rectangular lawn then had some problematic corners to attend to and that was just a pain in the ass because if you wanted to clear a corner you suddenly had turns > 90 degrees and on my tractor that was really hard.

      Being a hockey player I modeled my technique on what a zambonie does on the ice. the zamboni doesn't really like turns - it's on freaking ice- but it can do a 90 degree turn ok but never a 180. So it first goes down the middle and then across one end and up the far side, across the far end and up the middle again, but one-zamboni width over. Trying to guess the exact middle of your lawn is a bit tough and your efficiency largely rested on that initial choice.

      At any rate, some overlap in lawn mowing is always preferably to never having to stop and turn around.

  162. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by Brianwa · · Score: 1

    They can go use it whenever they want, and such parks are large enough that thousands of people can partake in all sorts of sports or other activities at the same time, from barbecuing, to playing catch, to even playing golf, without interfering with one another.

    In typical American parks you can expect to be harassed by the police for such things as being there at the wrong time of day, walking your dog in the wrong area, parking during the wrong hours, or straight up arrested for bringing a beer to your barbecue. Not to mention the random extended closures, or the super weird people who make up their own park rules and go to crazy lengths to try to enforce them.

    I'm not saying that I don't enjoy our parks because I do, but they are not a perfect replacement for having your own space.

  163. Re:If only foreigners had a clue about US parks .. by C4RBON · · Score: 1

    Perhaps you should consider that many people outside the US are misinformed regarding life in the US, just as many in the US are misinformed about life outside the US.

    Amen.

  164. You Have Your Own Lawn!? by codermotor · · Score: 1

    I really need to get me one of those.

    But I suppose I'd need my own house first though, huh?

  165. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by mattack2 · · Score: 1

    Umm, what? You can just reserve the park for a reunion, including the playing fields. I don't even think it costs money, at least not significant money, for public parks.

  166. NP-Complete Problem by wozzinator · · Score: 0

    What you're looking for is the shortest Hamiltonian path. Although it may seem like there is an efficient way to come up with the optimal solution, there isn't: it's an NP-Complete problem (it's actually the Traveling Salesman Problem.) There are great solutions which are less than optimal, but finding the best path where the number of vertices is greater than ~26 is too computationally complex.

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  167. Get a robot lawnmower by guruevi · · Score: 1

    Since it uses electricity, it will also be better for your environment compared to your 2 stroke mower that doubles as a gasoline evaporator. They are available from several companies in several prices.

    If you got like the poster have to spend $3500 + gas and maintenance + salary to get your lawn mowed, there are really big ones available that will probably get ROI in 2-3 years. There's some mathematics for you.

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  168. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by canistel · · Score: 1

    No it doesn't Mr AC; I'm Canadian.

  169. simpler solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    mow half an acre, declare the remainder a field and get two hours of your life back (unless that 3 hours is also therapeutic).

  170. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by martin-boundary · · Score: 1

    Some crazy Americans believe that having enough space around you so that you cannot hear or see your neighbours is a good thing.

    Of course, those same crazy Americans insist on getting married and sharing their garden with their spouse and possibly children, at an immediate 1/2 loss in personal area, shrinking to 1/4 over time on average.

    If you ask me, there's something weird going on...

  171. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by jamesh · · Score: 1

    So these Americans want to partake in some outdoor activity that requires a bit of open grass. Their solution? Buy a 6 acre lawn

    If your kids want to spend all day playing outside, as they should, and the nearest park is 6 blocks away across some busy intersections in a neighborhood not considered particularly safe for little kids to wander alone, a back yard is a great idea. 6 acre's is overkill obviously, but the poster never said it was for "partaking in some outdoor activity", it's just land he has to maintain. Even if you don't really use the area, you still have keep the grass fairly short otherwise the snakes move in and it becomes a problem in bushfire season.

    Parks are great, but they aren't the answer to everyone's problems.

  172. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

    Yes, I would. If all he's doing is wasting resources maintaining it, it's better off returning to its natural state.

    And how do you know what the natural state of his land? Maybe grassland is the natural state of his area. As for wasting resources, maybe maintaining a lawn is his hobby so it's not wasting resources to him.

    At least then it would become a habitat for wildlife (something we need definitely need more of). Plus, unless he lives in an arid area, it would eventually produce timber.

    Grasslands produce little timber. Some swamplands produce no timber. Besides I don't know where the poster lives. If he lives near a national park, there is plenty of land around for wildlife.

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  173. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by genrader · · Score: 0

    "Violent crime has gone steadily down since I was a kid so why are people are more afraid of letting their kids play unsupervised?" Crime has gone up in some areas and down in others. Down overall doesn't mean it is safe for Johnny to go play in the park outside. Don't be an idiot.

  174. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by techusky · · Score: 1

    Maybe you could reserve the park. But the rest of my statement still applies. Besides, the original post didn't say where the person was from. Have you ever been to the Midwest? I come from an area where it's commonplace for people to have several acres... that's what happens when there's a low population density, public parks or not.

  175. Problems with the solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are vertices that don't need to be visited at all because their circles are completely covered by surrounding vertices' circles, so a solution where every vertex is visited exactly once might not be the optimal solution.

    Also, the start and stop points are given as well. That makes the 'well known computer algorithms' a lot more complex, so that we might end up with O(n^4) or even np-complete problems.

  176. Stupid Gamefishes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Funny how many Subjects get sarcastic DUMBASS comments.

    SIN

  177. Turning costs, too. by yacwroy · · Score: 1

    TFA says "Clearly what is optimal for a lazy Maths Master is to push the lawnmower the shortest distance possible." and goes on from there.

    While an interesting NP problem in itself, the things you're more likely to be trying to minimize are time, fuel, cost. Hence, turning matters significantly.

    I know, I've spent lots of time thinking on this but through experience come to the conclusion that using long parallel strips as often as possible is easiest on mind and body because, finally, acceleration is also quite important.

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  178. ICs are a good model by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Integrated circuits have been called the most expensive "real estate" on earth, in terms of $$$ per square cm. It is rumored that Micron up in Idaho was successful in its early days as a designer of memory chips because they used their silicon real estate efficiently - just like the potato farmers all around them did.

    If you want to learn about the most efficient manner of drawing tightly packed designs across a surface, ask an integrated circuit designer.

  179. USE A ROBOT LAWN MOWER by gurps_npc · · Score: 1

    LawnBott LB3510 costs about $4,000. Assuming your time is worth $50/hour, at 3 hours a week that means you are spending $150 a week. You make your money back in 6 months.

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  180. just get Stoned by marky_boi · · Score: 1

    who cares how long it takes......

  181. typo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Should be Burkard, not Bunkard. The guy teaches at my school

  182. Lawnternatives by ElizabethGreene · · Score: 1

    The math is fun here, thanks for the enjoyable distraction. Do you have a ZT or do you have to compensate for turning radii as well?

    If you don't enjoy mowing, but like the big outdoor space there are some alternatives.

    This year tilled up and reseeded the "grass" around my gardens with dwarf dutch clover. Best idea ever. Before It was a huge PITA to string-trim between the raised beds. I've only mowed it twice this year, and it looks great. In the spring we're going to replace the rest of the lawn with a dwarf clover and dwarf fescue mix.

    Now I can spend my mowing time in the garden instead.

    1. Re:Lawnternatives by anyGould · · Score: 1

      >

      If you don't enjoy mowing, but like the big outdoor space there are some alternatives.

      Like a park.

      No, seriously - my house doesn't have much lawn (and since we're raised three feet or so from the sidewalk, the runoff ensures it doesn't grow fast). It's enough to sit out on the patio and for my four-year-old to run around in.

      But if we're looking for big outdoor space? Walk two blocks to the local school ground - all the room you could need to throw a ball around.

  183. negitivity getting old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know what?

    I'm starting to get really really tired of the negitive replies in the "ask slashdot" articles.
    Maybe the OP *likes* cutting his own lawn, likes the smell, or maybe it's an excuse to get out of the house.
    Not everyone has the same values as you do. How about we start to respect that?

  184. Useful research but what about a grass runway by rossy · · Score: 1

    I live adjacent to a grass runway, and part of my responsibilities include mowing my section of the runway. Some of my neighbors are particular and for safety reasons demand the mowing occur lengthwise along the runway so you can see an airplane coming at you and get out of the way. This is a constraint that could be mitigated if I had 360 degree vision.
    How do the authors address constraints like this?

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  185. coverage path planning by SnowZero · · Score: 1

    It's probably too late to get modded up so you can see this, but:

    The technical term you are looking for is "coverage path planning", and there are well known algorithms to solve it efficiently such as Choset's Boustrophedon. I don't think any of them are optimal for a nontrivial shape, but they will probably beat most human heuristics.

    In addition to lawns, this is important for machining (material removal), de-mining (completeness is essential, but overlap is expensive), and large floor cleaning.

    http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=coverage+path+planning

  186. spiral? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My intuition tells me that a spiral path would be so close to most efficient that it wouldn't make a significant difference if there was something more efficient. In a spiral you don't mow over previously mowed areas which is obviously inefficient and you don't have to do a 180 turn which I think is not perfectly efficient in terms of area covered. Maybe if the lawn had a really strange shape a spiral might have some inefficiencies. However I'd start on the outside edge and spiral inwards and otherwise not worry about efficiency.

    One thing that might help would be to know how to steer the tractor so that you have the least overlap necessary between the newly mowed path and the adjacient previously mowed path. This could take some experimentation you might put some kind of flag to act as a "gunsight" on the front of the tractor and keep it lined up with the edge of the mowed/nonmowed areas.

    But as for outside the box thinking, how many sheep could you support with six acres of grass? That might produce resources fertilizer, wool, meat, instead of requiring them. It would bring efficiency to a new level.

    1. Re:spiral? by mckennabluedot.com · · Score: 1

      spiral doesn't work. i tried it. imagine a square lawn, which most are, or at least rectangular. a spiral starts out great. you carve a big circle out of the square quickly. now you have 4 corners to mow and the remaining shape is such that you have some really difficult turns to make as you try to clear them. you end up having to go backward and forward in your tractor and it just sucks.

      i found a modified zamboni approach to work very well.

  187. I Mow lawns for a living....actually by arsemonkey · · Score: 1

    Goats are best, Sheep eat around stubborn grasses; horses make loblollys and cows are just trouble. Six acres is stupid huge for a lawn. Let 5 of it go to field and hay the thing. For the fastest time, mow the same pattern every single time; this is bad for your lawn. You should change up the pattern once in a while.

  188. We had help by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We have 10 acres in Iowa. A couple of years ago a large cigar shaped craft landed in the field. The next week, almost all the grass turned brown. We don't need to mow it at all now. So we think the optimal mowing pattern is to have a giant glowing ufo land on your land. Does this make sense?

  189. Bad aproach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you really enjoy mowing then you want the least efficient path.

  190. Dynamic programming by jatoo · · Score: 1

    Dynamic Programming (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_programming) find the optimal path in any problem like this.

    Assuming you set up the problem well, the DP solution is indisputably the best (proven mathematically).

    It requires the problem to be modelled in discrete time and space i believe, but it looks like they're doing something like that already.

  191. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by drsquare · · Score: 1

    Land is a finite resource, and it's division and use is the interest of everyone.

  192. Hexagonal grid of circles is not so good for... by rasteroid · · Score: 1

    larger or more regularly (e.g. rectangular) shaped fields. It essentially guarantees an overlap of approx 13% (1-sqrt(3)/2) of the diameter of the lawnmower cutting circle, merely in an effort to reduce the overlap in the number of turns. If the same field was made larger, the 13% cost would far outweigh the gains made in reducing the turn overlap. A rectangular path would easily eliminate the 13% waste and then the problem could be reduced to minimizing the number of turns.

  193. Optimal != Fastest by DrPepper · · Score: 1

    It may be the most optimal solution in terms of not covering the same place twice, but I'm not sure it is the quickest. I'm not bothered if I go over the same area twice, so long as I get the job done as fast as possible - making a turn takes time and there are plenty of those in the proposed solution. It may still be the quickest as some of those turns are quite small angles, but I think a 'turn penalty' is required to truly find the quickest solution.

    Regarding search and rescue, the object there is not to cover the whole search area as fast as possible. It is to cover the most likely locations for whatever is being sought as quickly as possible, and then cover the more unlikely places. For a static location that might mean starting in the middle and tracing a spiral. However, for someone falling overboard at sea, retracing the ship's path at close to it would be a higher priority than a simple spiral from any point.

  194. think about it all the time by deskjethp · · Score: 1

    I've got a fair sized lawn that takes me 6 hours to mow with a push mower so I think about this a lot... What I like to do is mow the edges and around obstacles first getting unmown rectangles, rounding off the sides of the rectangles, and then going around the rounded shape non-stop. The rounding off of the edges saves a lot of time that would otherwise be spent stopping and turning around and lets me just go continuously.

  195. 2 gut reactions come to mind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1 - get a life
    2 - stop wasting earth's finite resources. get a grass eater. plant tress - less grass.

  196. Do some calculations... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would love to use a genetic algorithm for this. The problem I've always had with GAs is the way you represent the problem so that you can use GA techniques such as mutation and crossover. Converting the space into circles and then in turn into triangle facets is one option. That then gives you a problem that is not too far away from the Traveling Salesman problem.

    The real question is: Will the time you save generating the "perfect" solution out way the time you spend finding it? I see this issue all over bluishness and IT. The developers want to move to a modern language as the program will perform faster, reduce bugs and provide a better product. But after spending time converting all the old software, training all the staff etc would it have been better to just spend extra time on the old product?

    It's not an easy yes/no question as theres a lot of dependences involved, but with a bit of investigation and mathematics you can work out some rough numbers to help you decide:

    Lets say a GA (or other algorithm) comes up with your optimum solution. Lets say it's so good that you save 30 mins every time you cut your lawn.
    Lets also assume it took you 5 hours to investigate possible solutions and then a further 5 to implement that solution.
    The first few times you cut your lawn (lets say 3) it actually took you longer to cut the grass as you were learning how to implement the optimum solution.
    Assuming 30mins extra each time up to the point where you are ready to cut your lawn in 2h30 (instead of 3) you have already spent 11h30m extra.

    So we need the optimum solution to at least save you that time in the future.

    11h30 = 690m
    690/30 = 23.
    23 + 3 (change over cuts) = 26
    So there we have it (using countless assumptions and estimates based on thin air) we have worked out the magic number: 26.
    If you are likely to need to cut your grass 26 more times then you will have saved time. Every cut after that is time you are saving yourself :D

    Of course none of this accounts for the fact that the investigation and creation of a solution could be considered a "god use" of your time. As you know have the knowledge to solve similar problems. For example, shaving your beard, eating a pizza, painting a wall).

    It turns out, as usual, it's very difficult to isolate a real life problem, then solve it and then prove without doubt that it is better.
    Good luck.

  197. Circles look like ?ell... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I cut lawns and fields for a living. The larger the area to cut and trim, the less money I make. Most of these rich guys are cheap when it comes to hiring me to cut their huge lawns that are littered with trees and flowerbeds. Trimming takes more time due to the area I have to cover on foot. Some places take me 45 minutes or more to trim. Paying me $100. to cut their estate is half what it should be. I can make much more money per day cutting $40. smaller city-style lots than these cheapos who expect perfection. There is no way a pro-cutter would ever do circles to save a little time. Straight lines is the way to do it if you want the property to look good. The cheapos would freak out if their fields/lawns where cut in circles.

  198. Better solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Buy a goat.

  199. Just don't! by coolate · · Score: 1

    Plant wild flowers, or no mow grass(yes it exists, and works great)! -You will save $ on gas -pollute a lot less! (mowers are some of the least efficient motors around) -Make more fresh air -looks a lot better -get some nice birds, butterflies and such. -Gain 3 hours a week back. You can do a ton with that. And If you must mow, make a solar powered lawnmower with a server battery and starter mower like I did!

  200. This sir... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...is the dumbest thing yet, I have seen on /.

  201. Simpler Algorithm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The easiest way to mow a lawn:

    Step 1: Buy one of these: http://www.robotshop.com/ca/ka-lawnbott-lb1200-spyder-robot-lawn-mower.html

    Step 2: Turn it on

    Step 3: Put feet up

  202. Re:Retirees? by dgatwood · · Score: 1

    Who the hell has time to get up in the morning and mow the fucking six-acre lawn?

    In most places, an acre is about the largest area that anybody actually mows. Beyond about an acre, you don't have a lot; you have a field. Thus, if you have six acres, you don't have a lawnmower; you have a tractor. There are exceptions, but it's a good rule of thumb.

    I you own a parcel that's over an acre, chances are, you mow somewhere between a third of an acre and an acre around your house, and you either let the rest of it grow naturally or you lease it out to farmers (depending largely on whether it is arable land).

    That said, for the rare individual who actually wants a six acre lawn, there are lawn tractors that can mow it in about forty-five minutes as long as you don't have very many trees.

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  203. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by dgatwood · · Score: 1

    I think a quarter acre might be a little on the small side, depending on the size of your home. I've always found a third of an acre to be just about right for a comfortable lot, assuming that your lot backs up against a forest, a corn field, or some similar piece of largely uninhabited space.

    If you're backed up against another home, I think I'd want at least twice that, with all of the extra space added in the form of additional depth behind the house. That way you can have reasonable privacy without having too many trees to mow around. Doing this doesn't reduce the sense of community, but still gives you a sense of privacy.

    In fact, the ideal situation would be to alternate between streets and long park areas between subsequent rows of houses. That way, you aren't far from your neighbors, your kids don't have to go very far away to play, and there isn't a house immediately behind yours. Take your pick whether it's part of the lots or not, based on whether you'd rather mow it yourself or pay the HOA to pay someone else to mow it en masse.

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  204. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

    And how do you know what the natural state of his land? Maybe grassland is the natural state of his area.

    I don't know the natural state of his land. The point is that whatever it is, it requires fewer resources to maintain than a manicured lawn (and provides more habitat, etc.). Lawns have to be mowed; grasslands do not.

    A lawn is more of a desert in terms of biodiversity than an actual desert is!

    Grasslands produce little timber.

    Hence, "unless he lives in an arid area." Grasslands are arid.

    Some swamplands produce no timber.

    If he lived in a swamp, we wouldn't be arguing about what he should do with his damn lawn, now would we?!

    Besides I don't know where the poster lives. If he lives near a national park, there is plenty of land around for wildlife.

    There's no such thing as "plenty of land around for wildlife" anywhere on Earth.

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  205. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by antdude · · Score: 1

    What is "quite"? :P

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  206. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by MadMartigan2001 · · Score: 1

    Ahhh, Quite is the Babylonian god of being quiet. Spell check failed me again. Thanks for catching that.

  207. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by antdude · · Score: 1

    Hehe. :)

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  208. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

    I don't know the natural state of his land. The point is that whatever it is, it requires fewer resources to maintain than a manicured lawn (and provides more habitat, etc.). Lawns have to be mowed; grasslands do not.

    Do you actually live in a grassland or are you just speculating? You have to manicure grasslands otherwise they overrun everything. Unless the guy wants to be helicoptered into his house, the has to keep at least a driveway and the area around his house clear. Also in the advent of a wildfire, his house is pretty much destroyed if he doesn't keep a large enough perimeter. With any natural vegetation, to live in a residence which is not natural, there will be maintain unless he doesn't care his house is slowly destroyed by nature.

    If he lived in a swamp, we wouldn't be arguing about what he should do with his damn lawn, now would we?!

    Maybe his developer turned swampland into a house in the middle of nowhere. But the area around him may still be swampland.

    There's no such thing as "plenty of land around for wildlife" anywhere on Earth.

    You seem to advocate taking away this man's right to do with his land as he sees fit in order to pursue a course of land usage you would prefer. Bear in mind, he's doing nothing illegal nor unlawful. But he is doing something you personally disagree with. By extension why don't we force everyone out of the cities and level them to nothingness because it seems most of the world disagrees with you.

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  209. time vs perceived time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Having mown lawns professionally for many years, I should add that time alone is not the only thing you might want to optimize. I would usually mow the irregular portions around the perimeter of the yard first, so that I could zone out and not even have to think about where I was going or what I was doing, once this was done. For me, it wasn't the actual time, but the perceived time, which made the difference. Rectangular areas with left-hand turns are optimal if the self-propelled lever is on the left side of the mower. If you have a riding mower with zero turning radius, then everything changes.

  210. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by registrationssucks · · Score: 1

    I'm not a Christian by any means, but "love thy neighbour" was a good practical piece of advice.

    "Fences make good neighbors" is a better piece of advice.

    People behave better to those they know than those they don't know. It's the Golden Rule in action.

    There are two versions of the golden rule. The first is, "Treat others as you would expect to be treated". This has implications depending on whether or not you wish to be left alone. The other golden rule is a snarky version, "He who has the gold, makes the rules." YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE GOLDEN RULE IS!

    As for the condition of your parks, might I suggest a modest tax increase, sufficient to allow the municipality to maintain the parks? And failing that, a neighbourhood park maintenance co-op group?

    Now we have two solutions to the problem,

    1) Buy the house with the large lot (BTW, these lots are usually established and already zoned and not an act of social planning/forsight/SimCity on the part of the eventual owner)
    2) Fight/change city hall

    Given that changing how a city works means I have to deal with people who don't even know what the golden rule is (!), I know which solution I would prefer.

  211. Autonomous Lawnmower by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I helped create an autonomous lawnmower prior to my Masters.

    Here are the remnants of a powerpoint we put together, if anyone cares to look at it.
    http://edge.rit.edu/content/P06113/public/technical.html

    When we changed our mowing pattern algorithms from pure pursuit to carrot, it had caught on fire...Power mosfets blew due to a few situations where the wheels tried to rotate back and forth too quickly. Nonetheless, getting the mower to make a nice looking lawn was a real challenge.

    -John

  212. What's wrong with a spiral? by Trixter · · Score: 1

    I've always mowed my lawn in a spiral that starts at the outer edge and works in a spiral towards the center. It's irregularly shaped, but there is little overlap.

    I see the article proposes a solution which cuts (pun intended) about 1-2% of the time off of a spiral. When I'm cutting my lawn, I want to get it done, not do complex math during the process. A contracting spiral is obvious and effortless.

  213. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

    Wow, nothing but strawman arguments!

    You have to manicure grasslands otherwise they overrun everything. Unless the guy wants to be helicoptered into his house, the has to keep at least a driveway and the area around his house clear.

    I never said he shouldn't maintain his driveway and (if applicable) fire break. It's highly unlikely that the driveway and firebreak take up the entire (or even a significant portion of) the six acres he was talking about.

    Maybe his developer turned swampland into a house in the middle of nowhere. But the area around him may still be swampland.

    It's still irrelevant; if the area was swampland then he wouldn't be mowing it. If it used to be swampland and got filled in to make the lawn, then leaving it natural would turn it into whatever sort of thing the uplands adjacent to the swamp are made out of (in south Georgia, for example, that would be pine forest).

    You seem to advocate taking away this man's right...

    Go fuck yourself, because I did not advocate anything of the sort and I resent you for your filthy lie claiming I did! All I said was that he (and the land, and the environment) would be better off if he left it alone instead of wasting his time and other resources mowing it for no good reason. I never said anything about forcing him to do so; he can be as stupid as he wants to be.

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  214. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

    A quarter acre is on the small side for the suburbs (with HOAs and whatnot), maybe, but I live in the city in an area with a rectangular street grid, designed before all the post-WW2 suburbanization.

    I think the main issue regarding privacy is not the distance between houses, but rather the elevation of the neighbor's windows/deck/yard in relation to the height of the fence. The house behind mine comes within 10 feet of my fence (and within 40 feet of my house... I have more side yard than back yard), but I have no problem with that because that house doesn't have any rear-facing windows. My privacy problems come from the houses on either side: the house on my right is 2 stories tall and has windows that overlook my yard, and the fence on my left is at the bottom of a hill so those neighbors can look up the hill over it. If the land were flat and the house on my right was a bungalow like the rest of the houses in the neighborhood, neither problem would exist.

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  215. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by dgatwood · · Score: 1

    If you really care about privacy while you are outdoors, this is what tree rows are for. :-)

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  216. Re:If only Americans had heard of parks. by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

    Go fuck yourself, because I did not advocate anything of the sort and I resent you for your filthy lie claiming I did! All I said was that he (and the land, and the environment) would be better off if he left it alone instead of wasting his time and other resources mowing it for no good reason. I never said anything about forcing him to do so; he can be as stupid as he wants to be.

    What you seem to be forgetting is this is not your land. If you have 6 acres do with it as you wish. He wants to maintain a huge lawn. Yet in your judgment, that is wasting resources; in your judgement he's being stupid. Who the hell are you to judge him? Some people waste resources by playing video games for virtual currency. Some people waste resources by trimming tiny bushes into smaller bushes. I'm not the one who is telling him what he's wasting resources.

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  217. Moving Lawn Mover's Problem ;) and TSP solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seems like your post (your question) is a direct hit on the same spot where I was going to post my request.
    Break down your lawn into small squares, load coordinates into my excel spreadsheet and off you go... ;)
    I need a partner to scale my algorithm, please help me. ...or... prove me wrong.

    My algorithm files are linked to my blog here: http://ctsps.blogspot.com/2011/08/tsp-cyclical-solver-lets-roll.html

    I should've renamed it to Moving Lawn Mover's Problem though... ;)