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Justice Dept. Files Antitrust Complaint Against AT&T and T-Mobile Merger

Hitting the front page for the first time, AngryDeuce writes with a piece of exciting news hot off the news wire. From the article: "The Justice Department is blocking AT&T's $39 billion deal to buy T-Mobile USA, saying the acquisition of the No. 4 wireless carrier in the country by No. 2 AT&T would reduce competition and raise prices. The deal has faced tough opposition from consumer groups and No. 3 carrier Sprint since it was announced in March." The DOJ has released a full statement on their decision to file the antitrust suit, and AT&T has drafted a response. So much for AT&T's paltry promise of bringing 5000 unskilled call center jobs back to the U.S. if the merger were approved. Competition may yet live!

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  1. + 5000 jobs, - many more. by JustAnotherIdiot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sure, they'd hire 5000 new people, but how many would they fire from T-mobile in the process?
    My money is on a good deal more than 5000.

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    1. Re:+ 5000 jobs, - many more. by tripleevenfall · · Score: 4, Funny

      Throttling bandwidth, stripping out cost savings opportunities from service plans, locking down phones... that's a lot of work.

    2. Re:+ 5000 jobs, - many more. by Drethon · · Score: 1
    3. Re:+ 5000 jobs, - many more. by sl4shd0rk · · Score: 3

      I think those jobs would most likely be offshored despite what tfa says. I ha
      ve yet to speak to anyone in a call center who's primary language is English.

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    4. Re:+ 5000 jobs, - many more. by h4rr4r · · Score: 3, Informative

      I am sitting a floor above ~400 call center agents, this is in the USA. 100% of them use English as their primary language. 10% of them also speak another language.

    5. Re:+ 5000 jobs, - many more. by nschubach · · Score: 1

      Out of pure curiosity... how did you post that? I find it odd that whatever you used placed a line break in the middle of the word "have". I've seen length limited posts before and always wondered why, but this one strikes me as extra odd.

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    6. Re:+ 5000 jobs, - many more. by SlippyToad · · Score: 1

      Whose call center? Certainly not any that I've contacted in the last 5 years.

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    7. Re:+ 5000 jobs, - many more. by slimjim8094 · · Score: 1

      Presumably it's because the ' key is next to the key, and he didn't use the mandatory preview.

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    8. Re:+ 5000 jobs, - many more. by yog · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I really hope this deal doesn't go through. T-Mobile is a great carrier. Not enough towers, but their plans are easy going and their customer service is top notch. I just added 2G of internet for my wife's phone, plus a few more anytime minutes, for $5 a month more. Now I just need to get her an Android phone so she can actually use it. T-Mo has good plans with and without contracts. Plus, they allow tethering for no extra charge, unlike Verizon and, I believe, AT&T. I just hope T-Mo can stay independent for a few more years until some other technology takes over, like VOIP over wimax.

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    9. Re:+ 5000 jobs, - many more. by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 2

      I used to speak to people in call centers whose primary language was English all the time. Of course, the company that owned those call centers was T-mobile USA, and when I called them, the call center employees were friendly, honest, straightforward, and tried to work with me.

      Then, all of the sudden, a few months ago, every time I called a T-mobile call center, I talked to someone who I could barely understand and that couldn't think past the script in front of them. I wonder what happened to T-mobile a few months ago that caused that to occur....hmmmmm.

    10. Re:+ 5000 jobs, - many more. by generalhavok · · Score: 1

      I am sitting a floor above ~400 call center agents, this is in the USA. 100% of them use English as their primary language. 10% of them also speak another language.

      I'm sitting two floors above a call center, with several hundred agents, who are all Americans and speak English as their first language, in addition to a couple who speak Spanish. We're a major internet and catalog retailer, and we haven't outsourced our call centers on purpose, because we find in our business we need to have good customer service, or we lose our customers. I used to work in that call center that I'm sitting above, when I couldn't find a job in IT immediately after I graduated. Through my hard work, my education, and expertise in computers, I was promoted to a better job. This is how things should be in all companies. At least it still happens some places.

    11. Re:+ 5000 jobs, - many more. by SomePgmr · · Score: 2

      Not only does AT&T require you to pay for tethering, if you had an old Cingular "unlimited data" plan, opting into tethering means you permanently relinquish your data plan for the new 2gb one. Even if you then cancel your tethering, you can never get your plan back.

    12. Re:+ 5000 jobs, - many more. by jmauro · · Score: 1

      You're right, T-Mobile USA has 42,000 employees.

    13. Re:+ 5000 jobs, - many more. by Jethro · · Score: 2

      Every time I call t-mobile customer service, I get English speakers. I just called them yesterday.

      Also a bit of a different point, but many people in India are in fact 'native' English speakers, as English is one of the official languages in India. Half my family is from there, and they all speak English as a first language (among a few others). You probably mean people without a funny accent.

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    14. Re:+ 5000 jobs, - many more. by Obfuscant · · Score: 1
      I know, bad juju to reply to myself, but talking about T-mobile and data brings up a question I need an answer to.

      T-Mobile's email to SMS gateway takes email to my phone and converts it to SMS. It sends it from a range of "phone numbers" between 3000 and 4999, and keeps track of the backwards mapping so I can reply by SMS to that number and the message is mailed back to the original sender.

      But -- every SMS app for Android I've found throws away that sending number and pulls the email address out of the body of the SMS. They assume I want to send an EMAIL when I reply, and cannot because I currently don't have a 3G data connection. And I don't WANT to send an email, I want an SMS.

      Does anyone know an Android SMS app that can handle this simple thing? And if it could be told NEVER to use MMS, that would be icing on the cake.

    15. Re:+ 5000 jobs, - many more. by Drethon · · Score: 1

      Thank you, I failed to even notice the difference...

    16. Re:+ 5000 jobs, - many more. by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      We fill all our helpdesk positions that way. We have had one person become a dev, one a sysadmin and another is trying to become a sysadmin.

    17. Re:+ 5000 jobs, - many more. by generalhavok · · Score: 1

      Sounds like where I work. Do we work at the same company? I don't like naming where I work.. but sounds familiar!

    18. Re:+ 5000 jobs, - many more. by jbengt · · Score: 1

      I've been involved in the design and construction of several call centers for a major financial company, all of them in the US, almost all of the employees having English as their first language. These probably added up to over 10,000 employees (though, of course, not all of them take customer calls).

    19. Re:+ 5000 jobs, - many more. by trum4n · · Score: 1

      It's also not done by Americans i bet.

    20. Re:+ 5000 jobs, - many more. by HermMunster · · Score: 1

      Man, I swear, while being super nice all I have gotten lately from offshore call center employees is bad attitude, as if they lack the basic understanding that I work for my money and want to retain as much as I can, especially during this recession.

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    21. Re:+ 5000 jobs, - many more. by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      ha've? What speak you?

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    22. Re:+ 5000 jobs, - many more. by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

      God that is the only time I miss having an Indian coworker! Every time I deal with one of those desk jockeys all I can do is wish I had Ms Sakar beside me again so I could say "Here, deal with this dipshit" and hear her curse his ass in Hindi. It was soooo funny to watch this little 90 sound Indian woman going "NO you do NOT tell me to reboot! I have a dozen degrees and I'm NOT gonna reboot, because that will NOT fix the problem! Now you give me someone who knows what they are doing!" followed by a stream of what i'm sure was choice Hindi curses.

      As for TFA thanks to Citizens United and even one of the members of SCOTUS taking bribes I have no doubt they WILL get to merge, fire tens of thousands of Americans, and screw millions more, they just need to cut the checks to the right people first. Like it or not we are quickly becoming a banana republic, with rampant bribery and corruption to rival our friends south of the border. Hell if they didn't do anything when a CEO went on record about how they considered Intel's bribes to be "like cocaine" and how they had whole quarters during the price wars where the ONLY profits Dell saw were kickbacks? What makes you think they are gonna stop this, which affected a hell of a lot less people?

      AT&T just hasn't bribed the right people yet, but don't worry citizen, they will.

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    23. Re:+ 5000 jobs, - many more. by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      I doubt it. Small IT team here. I am in Western NY state.

    24. Re:+ 5000 jobs, - many more. by Nyder · · Score: 1

      I am sitting a floor above ~400 call center agents, this is in the USA. 100% of them use English as their primary language. 10% of them also speak another language.

      And yet all of them read answers off a piece of paper and have no idea at all of the subject matter they are call centers for.

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    25. Re:+ 5000 jobs, - many more. by Mousit · · Score: 1

      Sure, they'd hire 5000 new people, but how many would they fire from T-mobile in the process? My money is on a good deal more than 5000.

      AT&T laid off 6000 people just this past spring (in April they announced they'd made 5,900 cuts during the first quarter, but I don't have the press release handy). Between 2006 and 2010, they've cut over 37,000 jobs. Plus as you say, how many would get the chop during the merger to "eliminate redundancies in the workforce" as one of the favored sayings goes.

      So yeah I'm with you, "bringing back" 5,000 call center jobs (which I'd be willing to bet only pay close to minimum wage, too) would be an insulting token gesture, at the very best.

    26. Re:+ 5000 jobs, - many more. by Denogh · · Score: 1

      AT&T contracts out almost all Tier I help desk work. I worked for a ~400 person call center in Texas that exclusively handled AT&T tech support. Most of the other tech support contractors are in Manila, PH.

    27. Re:+ 5000 jobs, - many more. by TheQuantumShift · · Score: 1

      A lot of work to be done by cheap offshore resources, not customer service drones making minimum wage.

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    28. Re:+ 5000 jobs, - many more. by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Nope, no paper all computerized. 0% of them are script readers, they actually make and change appointments for various things and companies.

      Nice try though.

    29. Re:+ 5000 jobs, - many more. by BuckaBooBob · · Score: 1

      Google should just buy em and rename the company G-Mobile and expose the real cost is to customers that's not gouging..

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    30. Re:+ 5000 jobs, - many more. by Synerg1y · · Score: 1

      They WANT you to pay for tethering, the devices support it just fine without them.

    31. Re:+ 5000 jobs, - many more. by stalky14 · · Score: 1

      Well as a former NoVa resident, I laughed.

    32. Re:+ 5000 jobs, - many more. by eharvill · · Score: 1

      -- AT&T - English speaker, sounded southern;

      A lot of the (ex-Cingular) AT&T call centers are in Atlanta. I believe they have dedicated Spanish speaking call centers in the Miami area.

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    33. Re:+ 5000 jobs, - many more. by slimjim8094 · · Score: 1

      Language processing in the brain is a strange beast. I read "I <LF> 've" and recognized "I've", missing the 'ha'

      Bonus points if you caught the fact that I didn't escape my <s and >s - something I should've picked up if I used the mandatory preview.

      Ugh.

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    34. Re:+ 5000 jobs, - many more. by strikethree · · Score: 1

      Plus, they allow tethering for no extra charge

      They offer a tethering charge of $17.99/mo. I know, I just added data to my phone.

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    35. Re:+ 5000 jobs, - many more. by Jethro · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah, that's true too. There are literally hundreds of semi-official languages spoken in India.

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    36. Re:+ 5000 jobs, - many more. by Yamioni · · Score: 1

      Excellent idea. Then they could name their wifi access points "G-Spots". Of course that would work out poorly for them since 90% of the population wouldn't be able to find them.

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    37. Re:+ 5000 jobs, - many more. by Genocaust · · Score: 1
      Sorry, didn't realize I wasn't logged in earlier, re-posting:

      T-Mo actually does charge for tethering, $15/mo. It is easy to bypass, but they do charge for it claiming it is a "feature" to "protect your phone" when you tether. I know this because I pay for it on my MIL's line on my account. She is happy to pay the $15/mo extra and I'm happy to not change her useragent string and have to deal with impromptu tech support calls about it.

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  2. AT&T's Response by milbournosphere · · Score: 1

    "We are surprised and disappointed by today's action, particularly since we have met repeatedly with the Department of Justice and there was no indication from the DOJ that this action was being contemplated. We plan to ask for an expedited hearing so the enormous benefits of this merger can be fully reviewed. The DOJ has the burden of proving alleged anti-competitive affects and we intend to vigorously contest this matter in court. We remain confident that this merger is in the best interest of consumers and our country, and the facts will prevail in court."

    FWIW, I think the Justice Department did right today. As a T-Mobile customer, I am very happy. Here's hoping that the justice department succeeds.

    1. Re:AT&T's Response by halfEvilTech · · Score: 1

      Translation: AT&T apparently did spend enough on bribes erm lobbying to swade the Justice Department.

      How can anyone think that higher prices and less competition is in the best interest of consumers and the country. Oh yea I forgot this is AT&T they live in their own little dillusional world.

    2. Re:AT&T's Response by chaboud · · Score: 2

      Agreed. I'm quite happy that the Department of Justice has fallen on the side of reason (for once). As a T-Mobile customer who moved to T-Mobile to avoid AT&T, I'm hopeful that this merger will fall apart, giving T-Mobile a bit of cash (meh) and some more spectrum (yay!).

    3. Re:AT&T's Response by UnknowingFool · · Score: 5, Insightful

      AT&T doublespeak. Yes they met with the DoJ and the DoJ gave no indication that they would block the ruling. However it most likely the DoJ had not formed an opinion until after reviewing the implications and AT&T's documents. Or that the DoJ probably wanted to block it from the beginning but prudence would dictate they hear from AT&T first. If they hadn't met with AT&T, then the company would complain that they were being treated unfairly.

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    4. Re:AT&T's Response by joshtheitguy · · Score: 1
      I'm not going to get too excited as I really just think it is smoke and mirrors at this point and if I had to take a guess the US Government is just putting on a show to make it look as if they tried to do something. Still if this is truly and really a legitimate attempt by the government to protect the citizens of this nation I still think that AT&T will just deploy the lobbyists, pad some campaign contributions and the deal will still go through.

      Call me skeptical but I find it hard to believe that the Government is doing the right thing and if they are I really don't believe they'll resist AT&T's lobbyists.

    5. Re:AT&T's Response by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hey! We totally pinkie-swear that if we are given nigh-unlimited power to bleed the nation's wireless users dry, we promise to build a couple of towers in rural nofuckingwhereistan and call it "Universal Access"! C'mon, it's a totally reasonable trade!

    6. Re:AT&T's Response by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Funny

      Does doublespeak count against my 'anytime' minutes; but at twice the normal rate, or do I need to upgrade my plan?

    7. Re:AT&T's Response by hedwards · · Score: 1

      That's one of the problems right there. There's no teeth in the promises that corporations make. At a minimum they should be broken up if they fail to comply with the terms of the agreement.

    8. Re:AT&T's Response by nschubach · · Score: 1

      No, doublespeak is billed on your peak minutes (twice on weekends) and also counts against your data usage (because your voice is data.)

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    9. Re:AT&T's Response by berzerke · · Score: 2

      ...AT&T they live in their own little dillusional world.

      More like they think they are above the law, and to a large degree, they are correct. :(

    10. Re:AT&T's Response by SlippyToad · · Score: 1

      Yes they met with the DoJ and the DoJ gave no indication that they would block the ruling

      Probably they are used to Bush-era zombies who would drool, gurgle, and then stamp OK on whatever was put in front of their sow faces. The idea that the meeting actually was used to get information before making a decision is probably not what AT&T are used to.

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    11. Re:AT&T's Response by erroneus · · Score: 1

      AT&T will be forced into some concessions which will ultimately get watered down to the point of being worthless. We saw what happened in the Microsoft antitrust trial and how that came out. I expect more of the same. AT&T will get their way one way or another. The thing is, the DOJ couldn't just let it go on without being "fought" since the deadly document leaked out to the public's view. So someone now has to step in, put on a show and dance the concessions dance to make it look like the public's interests are being taken into consideration... and THEN they'll screw everyone over.

    12. Re:AT&T's Response by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 2

      The DOJ has the burden of proving alleged anti-competitive affects and we intend to vigorously contest this matter in court.

      I have their evidence. Prior to the announcement of the merger, T-mobile offered a number of no contract plans that were slightly cheaper than 2-year contractual obligation plans, thus allowing the customer more freedom to pick a carrier that suited their needs based on changing lifestyles and habits over a two year period. After the proposed merger was announced, all of the no-contract plans were eliminated, and I have three recorded conversations with T-mobile customer service representatives explicitly saying that the no-contract plans were dropped in an effort to lock users into using T-mobile's services for two years.

      Explain to me how moving a customer from a no-contract plan that allows them to switch carriers on a whim, to a 2 year contractually obligated plan that locks the customer to one carrier for two years increase competition AT&T&T(-Mobile).

    13. Re:AT&T's Response by mcspoo · · Score: 1

      Totally agree. Using T-Mobile because their data rate on Blackberry's is VASTLY superior to most other providers, specifically AT&T's... if the merger finally does occur, the data cost will likely double per month. That's not doing me, as a consumer in a depression, any good.

    14. Re:AT&T's Response by gknoy · · Score: 1

      No teeth indeed. Didn't we give them Large Numbers of dollars over a decade ago to build out network infrastructure? Has that materialized?

    15. Re:AT&T's Response by Dracos · · Score: 1

      Since you brought it up, no, it hasn't. They pocketed that money so their quarterly reports would look better.

    16. Re:AT&T's Response by todrules · · Score: 1

      But just having this potential merger out there for so long is just killing T-Mobile. They are hemorrhaging customers with this deal hanging over their heads. Nobody wants to join, and current customers are leaving in droves. This merger has killed T-Mobile whether this deal goes through or not.

    17. Re:AT&T's Response by fotbr · · Score: 1

      The funny part is that you act like the bureaucrats change with the administration. The zombies, depending on their age, have probably been there since Clinton, if not even earlier.

    18. Re:AT&T's Response by Cerium · · Score: 1

      It's really not as bad as it sounds. Granted, like you, I much prefer having the choice to sign up for a contract or not, but in this particular case you could argue (though, probably incorrectly), that they are looking out for their customers, given the terrible offerings that their soon-to-be overlords are providing.

      I recently switched to a two-year contract for the sole purpose of locking me into a plan for roughly two years, regardless of the outcome of the merger shenanigans. It's starting to look like that I made the wrong move, but considering I also picked up an unlocked Galaxy S2 and AT&T is still AT&T, it's not like I'm really going anywhere anyway.

      I dunno. I guess in my opinion, if they were still taking new customers on prepaid/non-contract plans, knowing/expecting to be bought out, it'd feel too much like a last-minute money grab before running out the door.

    19. Re:AT&T's Response by sjames · · Score: 1

      Or perhaps the recently leaked documents showing how AT&T rigged things to make it appear that the merger was necessary for them to expand services raised new doubts in the DOJ's minds.

    20. Re:AT&T's Response by quetwo · · Score: 1

      You would have thought that AT&T would have known about this before the press release not not been surprised -- I mean, don't they tap everybody's phone lines "for security"?

    21. Re:AT&T's Response by Osiris+Ani · · Score: 1

      I have their evidence. Prior to the announcement of the merger, T-mobile offered a number of no contract plans that were slightly cheaper than 2-year contractual obligation plans, thus allowing the customer more freedom to pick a carrier that suited their needs based on changing lifestyles and habits over a two year period.

      T-Mobile: "We need the customers."

      After the proposed merger was announced, all of the no-contract plans were eliminated...

      T-Mobile: "Okay, we're good now. We're getting bought out."

      Let's take a look at this part of their 2011 Q2 financial statement. "Net customer losses of 50,000, an improvement from 99,000 net customer losses in the first quarter of 2011 and 93,000 net customer losses in the second quarter of 2010."

      Really, your story doesn't seem so much like evidence of anti-competitive effects as it was a plea for new customers (or for existing customers to maintain service), followed by relief that they were being acquired. My bank did very much the same thing. When National City's future became questionable, they began to offer very attractive— but seemingly unsustainable— rates on certificates of deposit. With interest rates dropping everywhere else, I jumped on it, dumping the bulk of my money market savings accounts into two 48-month CDs at 5% and 5.25% APR. When they were to be acquired by PNC, they dropped the rates on back down to normal.

      Competition is indeed good for the consumers, but so is the failure of a business. See also: the HP TouchPad fire sale.

    22. Re:AT&T's Response by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      The main problem is that T-Mobile (the international parent company) wants to drop its US division, there's no telling what will happen if nobody buys that division from them.

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    23. Re:AT&T's Response by amRadioHed · · Score: 1

      Is that really so? I can understand a big decrease in new subscriptions because of this, but I don't see why existing customers would be leaving already. Seems premature to me, it's not like their service suddenly took a nosedive after the merger was proposed.

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    24. Re:AT&T's Response by Synerg1y · · Score: 1

      Corporate bullshit meet the legal circus :)

    25. Re:AT&T's Response by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Well people whose contracts were up may not have felt that they should renew given any pending merger. Especially if T-Mobile dropped some plans (which they did) and customers no longer could renew the same plan as before.

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    26. Re:AT&T's Response by stalky14 · · Score: 1

      I'm not leaving, but I'm definitely not going to re-up until this is settled and AT&T is out of the picture.

      Also keep in mind that Wall Street measures the success of a Wireless carrier by #of contracts and high ARPU (average revenue per user).
      T-Mobile is basically a budget carrier which until recently offered excellent prices and terms on non-contract plans. They had loyal customers who were no longer on contract, new customers who could opt out, and just lower general rates than the competition. Even if they were making good profits they still wouldn't look good to Wall Street based on the benchmarks that AT&T and Verizon set.

      Furthermore, even though T-Mobile was the best value, AT&T and Verizon had specific customer draws working in their favor. AT&T had the iPhone, and Verizon has the best signal penetration.

      Now AT&T doesn't have the iPhone exclusive anymore and it turns out that they were sitting around raising rates, constricting terms, and counting their money for 3 years instead of re-investing in infrastructure and in the meantime the Verizon tortoise has long passed them. Now they need to buy T-Mobile as a shortcut to catch up. Tough titty, AT&T. Do it on your own.

    27. Re:AT&T's Response by eharvill · · Score: 1

      This. The deal will go through. What's a few (hundred) million dollars of greased palms in the shadow of a few extra billion a year in *profit*?

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    28. Re:AT&T's Response by Yamioni · · Score: 1

      I believe you have been moderately misled. I cannot confirm or deny if the no-contract plans are indeed gone, though a sibling poster claims they are still available to new customers. I can confirm however, as a user on a pre-paid no contract plan, that I was not shunted into a contract. My phone still works just the same as it ever has. Between my experience and that of the sibling, it sounds like the disappearance of these no-contract plans was either a temporary and second guessed decision, or you were outright lied to in the first place.

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  3. Sudden Outbreak of Common Sense? by halfEvilTech · · Score: 2

    I thought I would never live to see the day that a governmental department would block yet alone sue to block the merger of two mega corps.

    1. Re:Sudden Outbreak of Common Sense? by Miamicanes · · Score: 4, Funny

      Holy shit. There IS a ${deity}, after all.

      (looks out the window)... wow, it's snowing outside (in South Florida), too!

    2. Re:Sudden Outbreak of Common Sense? by tripleevenfall · · Score: 1

      This is hardly unprecedented.

    3. Re:Sudden Outbreak of Common Sense? by SomePgmr · · Score: 2

      True. Minor concessions will be made, AT&T will still plan to screw everyone in other ways, everyone at the DoJ will pat each other on the back for having done their due diligence and the thing will move forward. Real competition and common sense will lose, as usual.

    4. Re:Sudden Outbreak of Common Sense? by Reverand+Dave · · Score: 1

      Hardly unprecedented, but entirely unexpected for sure. As of late it seems that there is nothing that the mega corps can't and won't do to increase profit margin while our elected representatives turn a blind eye.

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    5. Re:Sudden Outbreak of Common Sense? by hedwards · · Score: 2

      I predict that if the DoJ does ultimately give the OK that Sprint will file its own antitrust suit against AT&T to block the merger. Ultimately, they'd almost certainly win, the only conclusion one can make is that there would be reduced competition. Whether prices and service suffers as a result would largely be rendered moot by the decrease from 4 to 3 and possibly 2 when Sprint can no longer compete with both AT&T and Verizon.

    6. Re:Sudden Outbreak of Common Sense? by vgerclover · · Score: 1

      So Hell froze over?

    7. Re:Sudden Outbreak of Common Sense? by Hatta · · Score: 1

      Someone forgot to make the proper campaign contributions.

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    8. Re:Sudden Outbreak of Common Sense? by gcnaddict · · Score: 1

      No, Dallas and Houston haven't frozen over just yet.

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    9. Re:Sudden Outbreak of Common Sense? by Rob+Riggs · · Score: 1

      There is a very slight difference between the Democratic and Republican parties in U.S. governance. You're witnessing it here.

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    10. Re:Sudden Outbreak of Common Sense? by tripleevenfall · · Score: 1

      I don't think so. Sprint and MCI Worldcom never got their merger through the DOJ, and this is a very similar case.

    11. Re:Sudden Outbreak of Common Sense? by stalky14 · · Score: 1

      Nor did Dish Network/DirecTV.

    12. Re:Sudden Outbreak of Common Sense? by bored · · Score: 1

      No, Dallas and Houston haven't frozen over just yet.

      Austin here at 112... Hasn't frozen over here either.

    13. Re:Sudden Outbreak of Common Sense? by poofmeisterp · · Score: 1

      I thought I would never live to see the day that a governmental department would block yet alone sue to block the merger of two mega corps.

      I think some people in that department have each of those providers' phones.

      Well, that or a guarantee for "free phone access for life" from Verizon if they stop the T-Mob/ATT merger.

  4. Hallelujah by Jeng · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If I wanted AT&T as my service provider I would have subscribed to their service.

    If you have to buy customers perhaps it's time to change ones business strategy.

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    1. Re:Hallelujah by tsotha · · Score: 2

      This is more about buying spectrum than buying customers.

    2. Re:Hallelujah by hedwards · · Score: 1

      Indeed, I ended up with AT&T following AT&T's purchase of Cingular. The service went down the crapper pretty much over night. Service still hasn't recovered to what it was when Cingular was providing the service.

      This is a bit like the 3 or so acquisitions of my parents' cable account before they ditched cable for DirecTV, each cable provider was worse than the previous one and the cost sky rocketed even as there was no meaningful improvement in the selection of programming provided.

    3. Re:Hallelujah by 517714 · · Score: 1

      This is about denying spectrum. You may not be aware that Sprint was set to buy T-Mobile for $10B less than AT&T. How could T-Mobile be worth more to AT&T unless they intended to engage in anticompetitive behavior?

      The cynic in me says that this is merely posturing on the part of the present administration and that they have no intention of actually preventing the merger.

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    4. Re:Hallelujah by tsotha · · Score: 2

      The spectrum is worth more to AT&T because they have customers to fill it. There are markets where service is spotty and they can't add new customers because they don't have the bandwidth. I'm thinking specifically NYC, but there are others.

    5. Re:Hallelujah by mooingyak · · Score: 2

      You may not be aware that Sprint was set to buy T-Mobile for $10B less than AT&T. How could T-Mobile be worth more to AT&T unless they intended to engage in anticompetitive behavior?

      Maybe AT&T thought that Sprint was getting T-Mobile at a bargain? Not saying that's the case, but the fact that AT&T was willing to pay more than Sprint to acquire T-Mobile doesn't really imply anything by itself.

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    6. Re:Hallelujah by 517714 · · Score: 4, Informative

      They need more towers, not more frequencies. Accidentally leaked documents show that they are aware of the problem, that they chose not to solve the problem, and that the purchase of T-Mobile is not a real solution.

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    7. Re:Hallelujah by gad_zuki! · · Score: 1

      >If you have to buy customers perhaps it's time to change ones business strategy.

      That's a problem only for organizations too poor to buy congressman and senators.

    8. Re:Hallelujah by tsotha · · Score: 2

      It's not as simple as just adding a few new towers. They'd have to re-layout the entire network. That would be many billions more than purchasing T-Mobile. Of course you can overcome spectrum problems with more towers - that's the point of a cell network, after all. But putting up a cell is very, very expensive, especially in a place like NYC. You can't just move them around at a whim.

    9. Re:Hallelujah by AaronW · · Score: 1

      That's like when AT&T bought out my cable internet provider and the service took a major nosedive. Dialup was a LOT faster than the cable modem, thanks to AT&T's incompetence. They throttled upstream bandwidth to 128Kbps, but aggregated EVERYBODY together through the same 128Kbps pipe. Ping showed 40-60% packet loss on average.

      When Comcast bought out the cable system it was a major improvement for everything. I get almost daily junk mail from AT&T for their U-Verse service... I won't trust AT&T with any kind of service.

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    10. Re:Hallelujah by 517714 · · Score: 1

      They (AT&T) already have more spectrum than Verizon which has more customers and fewer issues with their network. If AT&T is using their existing frequencies so poorly, should the government simply allow them to have more? Also the documents AT&T's attorneys submitted showed that the build-out to 97% coverage would have cost $3.8B less than 10% of the T-Mobile acquisition. So cost savings are not really part of the acquisition motivation.

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    11. Re:Hallelujah by tsotha · · Score: 1

      They (AT&T) already have more spectrum than Verizon which has more customers and fewer issues with their network.

      I do not believe this is true in the major metropolitan areas where it matters.

      I agree the idea they need T-Mobile to build out their network is probably BS (though it would save some time), along with the idea this will represent any kind of net jobs gain. If it's a net jobs gain they can really only justify it if they intend to offer enough pricey services to make up the difference. Might happen, with 4G, I guess.

    12. Re:Hallelujah by 517714 · · Score: 1

      What makes you think that the Federal government allocates radio spectrum on other than a national basis? AT&T has more spectrum allocated to it than Verizon everywhere in the US.

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    13. Re:Hallelujah by eharvill · · Score: 1

      This is about denying spectrum. You may not be aware that Sprint was set to buy T-Mobile for $10B less than AT&T. How could T-Mobile be worth more to AT&T unless they intended to engage in anticompetitive behavior?

      Why would Sprint want a company that has cell service on an incompatible network/technology? To take advantage of the roaming deals with AT&T? I'm not sure about the ROI on that one. Of course, they *did* buy Nextel....

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    14. Re:Hallelujah by Fjandr · · Score: 1

      They don't need more spectrum. Additionally, there's a new antenna design that allows an order of magnitude increase in the amount of information that can be sent over the same radio wavelength (don't have the article in front of me, but it's basically a compressed spiral that allows waves to propagate in multiple orientations and still be coherently received), which will likely shortly eliminate the current spectrum bottleneck for a relatively minor amount of capital investment.

      This isn't about spectrum or buying customers, it's about eliminating the only other major GSM carrier in the US. With this, AT&T will have a hardware lock much more similar to the non-GSM carriers in that there will be no other major source for GSM phones but AT&T (in the US, anyway). Much like other carriers won't activate a phone they didn't originally sell, they won't have to worry about people taking their phones to another network or not being able to sell new phones to new customers coming from TMobile (if there is such a person who would do that).

    15. Re:Hallelujah by Yamioni · · Score: 1

      No, but the fact that they were willing to pay ten billion more sure as hell does. If they wanted it for legitimate business purposes they would have had a bidding war with Sprint and paid as little as possible. Instead they leap over Sprint by ten billion fucking dollars to discourage counter-bids and just win outright. Any company that wants a competitor that badly cannot possibly be thinking of using the acquisition in a way that would actually benefit anyone but themselves. The only reason they would consider over-bidding by such a ludicrous amount is if they genuinely think they can make all of that back and more. You don't recoup ten billion dollars off of an increased user base. You make it back by stifling competition and jacking up prices. Call me cynical, but that's my opinion.

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    16. Re:Hallelujah by tsotha · · Score: 1

      What makes you think that the Federal government allocates radio spectrum on other than a national basis?

      Because it doesn't. Spectrum is allocated for a purpose at the national level, but within those bands spectrum is allocated to companies on a regional bases. Hell, in the early days of cellular you'd see groups of small investors pool their money and buy enough spectrum for a single cell so they could get rich off of roaming charges.

  5. Hallelujah! by Savantissimo · · Score: 5, Informative

    Their own internal documents show AT&T does not need T-Mobile to expand service, and that AT&T intends to raise prices. This is a deal that should not happen. At last the DOJ does something right on the merger front.

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    1. Re:Hallelujah! by Baloroth · · Score: 1

      Ah but everyone knows this deal will lower prices! AT&T themselves have made economic models that say so! After all the "merger will lessen strains on the company’s wireless network, lower costs and increase quality, AT&T said in the filing." So obviously prices will be lower.

      For AT&T.

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    2. Re:Hallelujah! by jeremywc · · Score: 1

      I think what you meant to say was, "At last the DOJ does SOMETHING on the merger front."

  6. More Jobs, Better Prices by powerlord · · Score: 1

    Sure they could afford to bring back a paltry 5000 jobs.

    They would be eliminating one of their main competitors, laying off way more than 5000 (more skilled!) workers, and opening the way to raising their prices by grabbing a customer base with even less choice and jacking up their rates.

    Nice to see government doing what its supposed to do for a change.

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    1. Re:More Jobs, Better Prices by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Their "5000 jobs" claim seems to belong in the same pile as the "Give us $100 million to build a stadium, and we promise to hire 6 hotdog vendors and a janitorial team!" arguments that get trotted out every time a pro sports team shakes down a municipality to build their business infrastructure for them... These sorts of things are so openly cynical and insultingly paltry that I'm honestly not sure why anybody even bothers pretending...

    2. Re:More Jobs, Better Prices by hedwards · · Score: 1

      With stadiums it's generally an honest, if incorrect belief, whereas in this case, I'm pretty sure they know that it's not going to happen. They're not going to need as many employees to do the work and consequently I can't imagine how this wouldn't result in massive layoffs. Beyond that, I have a really hard time believing that they'll keep prices lower when Verizon and Sprint need to merge to remain competitive.

      And let's be honest, AT&T service sucks, and it has sucked for a number of years, and quite frankly it isn't getting any better.

    3. Re:More Jobs, Better Prices by Pieroxy · · Score: 1

      After Dell gave away all of its knowledge to ASUS and HP is on the verge of stopping their core business, if this gets through, I fear the US is a lost cause. How can anyone be so blind as to think this would remotely be a good idea for anyone of the parties (involved or not)

    4. Re:More Jobs, Better Prices by eharvill · · Score: 1

      They would be eliminating one of their main competitors, laying off way more than 5000 (more skilled!) workers, and opening the way to raising their prices by grabbing a customer base with even less choice and jacking up their rates.

      Are you implying that AT&T employees are less skilled than T-Mobile employees?

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    5. Re:More Jobs, Better Prices by powerlord · · Score: 1

      They would be eliminating one of their main competitors, laying off way more than 5000 (more skilled!) workers, and opening the way to raising their prices by grabbing a customer base with even less choice and jacking up their rates.

      Are you implying that AT&T employees are less skilled than T-Mobile employees?

      No, I was implying that the jobs created were lower skilled than the jobs destroyed.

      Are you implying that AT&T would deliberately INCREASE the skill level of its workers?

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    6. Re:More Jobs, Better Prices by eharvill · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't the same skill sets be required from the "destroyed" jobs to handle the "created" jobs? If not, then it sounds like the "destroyed" jobs should not have existed in the first place.

      To be fair, AT&T looks to promote from within (which does not necessarily increase the skill of their workforce), but generally *does* increase the skill level of its employees.

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    7. Re:More Jobs, Better Prices by powerlord · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure.

      I would assume that the merging of a company doing essentially the same thing, and covering the same service area would probably require a substantial reduction in overall personnel (all the overlapping stores, a lot of the overlapping service technicians).

      The jobs ostensibly being created were supposed to be Call Center jobs, which probably were on par with the majority of the Storefront and Customer service jobs being "destroyed", but probably less technical than most of the maintenance/technical jobs lost.

      {rant}
      You're right. It is sub-optimal to maintain multiple cellular networks competing for bandwidth and services. But I'm not sure that these jobs should be "Destroyed in the first place". The main loss of jobs is probably overlapping job pools for both companies. So long as you have two companies competing in the same space, you have redundancies, that is one of the costs of a free market.

      In an ideal world the infrastructure would be owned and operated by the Government (along with the Freq), with individual Cell Phone companies leasing space on the wireless "backbone" and competing with each other there.

      This would minimize the infrastructure overhead/maintenance, level the playing field for new entrants (to promote competition), and, hopefully, allow profits from the infrastructure to go towards upgrading the infrastructure.

      The Gov would then make sure the Infrastructure kept growing and maturing, the Cell Phone companies would be focusing on handsets, alternative uses (Portable Hot Spots, Burglar Alarm Notification, Tablets?)

      Of course thats just an opinion. {/rant}

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    8. Re:More Jobs, Better Prices by Yamioni · · Score: 1

      To be fair though, sports stadiums have a trickle-down effect that a telecom doesn't have. Sports stadiums bring in numerous visitors from out of town that are then much more likely to patronize local businesses before and after games. The increase in the temporary population also helps to attract new businesses to your city. Footing the bill for a new sports stadium is a great way to invest in your local economy. Unless crime rates are already bad such that the stadium might overstress your police system, a city would be foolish not to accept an offer from a nationally recognized sports team.

      All said, I would have to say that building a sports stadium is leagues above a telecom merger such as this. The effects are far more reaching than a simple 5000 people. Though you are correct in that the base arguments are the same; "'Give' us money and we'll create jobs". The difference is that the sports team's argument actually holds water.

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  7. From the TFA by powerlord · · Score: 1

    A failure of the deal puts T-Mobile in a difficult position. It's struggling to compete with the larger carriers, and owner Deutsche Telekom AG has said it's not willing to invest more in the venture.

    However, AT&T has promised T-Mobile $3 billion in cash if the deal doesn't go through, plus spectrum rights and agreements that could be worth billions more.

    Huh? If the deal DOESN'T go through, AT&T is giving T-Mobile money and spectrum?

    I don't get it.

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    1. Re:From the TFA by krbvroc1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It makes sense. Think about all the business that T-Mobile lost while this thing was pending. People did not renew, some people did not switch to T-Mobile due to the uncertainty, etc. If it DOESN'T go through, T-Mobile needs to be compensated for that loss.

    2. Re:From the TFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Standard practice in M&A. The acquiring company must always put something on the table if the deal doesn't go through due to the restrictions placed on the company to be acquired by the SEC and the agreement the two companies enter into. Google has put similar stuff on the table for Motorola if their deal doesn't go through.

    3. Re:From the TFA by vlm · · Score: 1

      A failure of the deal puts T-Mobile in a difficult position. It's struggling to compete with the larger carriers, and owner Deutsche Telekom AG has said it's not willing to invest more in the venture.

      However, AT&T has promised T-Mobile $3 billion in cash if the deal doesn't go through, plus spectrum rights and agreements that could be worth billions more.

      Huh? If the deal DOESN'T go through, AT&T is giving T-Mobile money and spectrum?

      I don't get it.

      Usually its in exchange for immediately ceasing to market directly or indirectly against them, giving them all the details of their internal organization, design, plans, supplier contact information, and procedures.

      If these agreements were not standard, then legal corporate espionage would kinda exist sorta... MS could "plan" to buy Apple, examine every tiny little detail of Apple, and when the govt laughs at the idea, they laugh back because they got $Billions worth of information. As they do exist, its kinda weirder yet, if you have a terminally ill company (t mobile?) then you can try to sell its information for frankly more than its worth.... and/or if it turns out your new purchase is a lemon you can save face, by making the govt, make you stop.

      Standard /. car analogy is you're usually stuck buying your date dinner regardless if you get some in the back seat of the car later on. Maybe not my greatest moment of /. car analogies; but at least I tried.

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    4. Re:From the TFA by generalhavok · · Score: 5, Informative

      It makes sense. Think about all the business that T-Mobile lost while this thing was pending. People did not renew, some people did not switch to T-Mobile due to the uncertainty, etc. If it DOESN'T go through, T-Mobile needs to be compensated for that loss.

      Copying a post of mine from earlier, yes, T-Mobile actually will be compensated quite well for this.

      If this deal is blocked, it would not be bad news for T-Mobile as some here have claimed. According to Bloomberg,

      "Should regulators reject the deal, which would create the biggest U.S. wireless carrier, AT&T would have to pay Deutsche Telekom $3 billion in cash. It would also provide T-Mobile USA with wireless spectrum in some regions and reduced charges for calls into AT&T’s network, for a total package valued at as much as $7 billion, Deutsche Telekom said this month."

      So T-Mobile would get $3 billion in cash, more spectrum, and reduced fees for calls going through AT&T's network. This would seem to be good news for T-Mobile, as all of these things would make them more competitive.

    5. Re:From the TFA by mknewman · · Score: 1

      I believe there was a $3 billion fee AT&T would pay if it fell through, plus another approximately $3 billion in spectrum and such. T-Mobile will make out well if it does indeed fail, but it will be years till we know.

    6. Re:From the TFA by aztracker1 · · Score: 1

      Agreed, my contract was up about 4 months ago, shortly after the pending deal was announced, and I left T-Mobile, as I will *NEVER* be an AT&T customer again.

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    7. Re:From the TFA by sjames · · Score: 1

      Consider it gag money to stop T-Mobile from repeatedly humiliating AT&T in their commercials.

    8. Re:From the TFA by Nyder · · Score: 1

      It makes sense. Think about all the business that T-Mobile lost while this thing was pending. People did not renew, some people did not switch to T-Mobile due to the uncertainty, etc. If it DOESN'T go through, T-Mobile needs to be compensated for that loss.

      weird, i dropped my t-mobile account because it's a rip off.

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    9. Re:From the TFA by jimbolauski · · Score: 1

      If the merger fails T-mobile will receive some of AT&T's spectrum. If I knew the merger would happen I would make sure to renew with a highly subsidized phone and once AT&T changed the terms I'm out of my contract with a brand new phone for the cost of a month or two of service.

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    10. Re:From the TFA by brokeninside · · Score: 1

      Except T-Mobile doesn't get the cash.

      DT gets the cash. T-Mobile get 4B in assets (spectrum, etc.) among which number lowered roaming charges in AT&T zones.

      That might make T-Mobile more attractive to other possible purchasers. But it isn't all that great of a deal considering the holding pattern T-Mobile has been in ever since the merger was announced.

    11. Re:From the TFA by eharvill · · Score: 1

      So it might be worth 1B or so for DT to bribe the DoJ??

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    12. Re:From the TFA by subreality · · Score: 1

      Except T-Mobile doesn't get the cash. DT gets the cash.

      And T-Mobile is a wholly-owned subsidiary of DT. What's your point?

  8. I for one - by kurt555gs · · Score: 1

    Do not welcome our AT&T overlord masters.

    I like T-Mobile!

    I had AT&T and paid dearly to escape their evil clutches. I did not want to go back. Yeah for the DOJ! I hope they win.

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  9. First yay! by kingduct · · Score: 1

    Yay!

    Now lets hope they don't negotiate a deal (or worse yet, that the Department of Justice doesn't flat out lose the case).

  10. Ma Bell Strikes Back! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Ma Bell was broken up by the DOJ because it was a serious problem in the marketplace. These telecom corps are essentially trying (deliberately or not) to reassemble back into a new incarnation of it. AT&T has already reclaimed 4 of it's DOJ separated pieces and a good section of the internet service. Now they want mobile too?

    Um... If I was the DOJ and knew my history of the department big warning bells would be ringing in my mind. I'm not surprised they've opposed this. Personally, I think the current telecom leaders are already pushing the limit given how much control they have over a lot of television, communications, and mobile services.

    1. Re:Ma Bell Strikes Back! by SydShamino · · Score: 1

      Admittedly things have changed since then, primarily with local cable companies now offering voice communication as well. That said, I wish more DOJ employees would realize that duopolies and triopolies are barely better than monopolies when it comes to consumer choice.

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    2. Re:Ma Bell Strikes Back! by ginbot462 · · Score: 1

      See chart (probably in other places)

      http://gallery.burrowowl.net/index.php?q=/post/view/11642

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    3. Re:Ma Bell Strikes Back! by zero0ne · · Score: 1

      That is an awesome graphic :)

    4. Re:Ma Bell Strikes Back! by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 1

      Not to mention Reagan came into office and purged just about every anti-trust idea out of the system and those ideas have only been rarely thought of since. Even the anti-trust actions of the Clinton era were barely tolerated.

  11. Re:Yet more Slashdot hypocrisy by h4rr4r · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Not all slashdotters believe the same thing. For instance I think libertarians are either woefully naive, liars, or morons. I applaud the government taking action to ensure the cellular service market does not become a duopoly.

  12. Re:Sprint and T-Mo should merge by jittles · · Score: 4, Informative

    The HTC Evo 4G and Evo 3D are both great phones (3D gimmicking asside). Just because they aren't iPhones, doesn't mean they aren't good. And yes Sprint has poor coverage in a few areas, but they have amazing coverage in others. Not to mention you can't beat the price. I left AT&T and my iPhone after AT&T decided they could alter the way they applied my corporate discount in the middle of my contract. Even after paying an early termination fee, I was saving $30 a month with Sprint in just a few months.

    Oh yeah and I have a hell of a lot fewer dropped calls with Sprint, too.And no more "The network is busy" when trying to make a phone call.

  13. The Feds got it right by dave562 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Every once in a while, the Feds get it right. From the article,

    "Moreover, the department said that AT&T could obtain substantially the same network enhancements that it claims will come from the transaction if it simply invested in its own network without eliminating a close competitor."

    We have been saying this here forever. AT&T et al need to invest in their own infrastructure. It is about time that the Federal government is on board with that.

    1. Re:The Feds got it right by Trepidity · · Score: 2

      True, but in this case the feds are just saying that the numbers don't add up, not that AT&T has to invest in their own infrastructure. They could perfectly legally choose to let their infrastructure continue to suck if they want. But the DOJ is pointing out that AT&T's official reasons for buying T-Mobile can't be right, because if you add the numbers, it'd cost them less to build out the infrastructure that they claim they're buying. Therefore part of the value of the deal must be from the way it eliminates a competitor.

    2. Re:The Feds got it right by dave562 · · Score: 2

      That is a good point. The way this process works is that AT&T lays out their justification and the DoJ either accepts or rejects it. In this case the DoJ has rejected it. Now AT&T has the opportunity to go back to the drawing board and come up with some other lies.

    3. Re:The Feds got it right by okmijnuhb · · Score: 1

      They don't want to do that, because that would create jobs, and jobs are the last thing a corporation wants to create, because jobs are an expense.

  14. As a T-Mobile customer by C_Kode · · Score: 3

    As a T-Mobile customer since 1999 (when they were Voice Stream) I couldn't be happier. I want no part of AT&T.

    1. Re:As a T-Mobile customer by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 1

      As I understand it, there are no good scenarios for T-Mobile. Deutsche Telekom AG has already said that they don't plan on building out their 4G network any more. I'm a T-Mobile customer, as well, and have always appreciated their customer service, but even with the $3 billion consolation for the failed merger, it doesn't look good for them. I suspect they'll be absorbed into Sprint instead.

    2. Re:As a T-Mobile customer by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      To be honest, I have all the 4G network I need right now, so I'd be happy to just pay T-mobile their nice lower rates until the towers rust out, in which case I can argue failure to perform and get out of any contract I might still have.

      I don't see ATT/etc adding any value for me. They charge more and let you do less with their network, and have lousier customer service. Their phones historically have also been far more locked down. If anything I'd switch to Sprint or Verizon, but I really prefer using GSM (you know, the standard that actually works worldwide and allows you to easily switch carriers on the fly with prepaid SIM cards/etc).

      I think that Deutsche Telekom is just blustering to get the sale to go through. In the end if they have spectrum and money, and spending that money will generate profits, then they will do it. They will never overtake ATT/Verizon, but I'm sure they're making money just the same. As Apple has proved you don't have to have majority marketshare to make money, and as Walmart has proved you don't need to have the fanciest stores to get people to buy your product.

  15. Re:Sprint and T-Mo should merge by SydShamino · · Score: 2

    I'm actually sort of expecting a Sprint and T-Mobile combination. I've been happy with Sprint via Virgin Mobile but would prefer them to move to GSM and amp up their offerings, coverage, and user base.

    I was grudgingly considering a move to AT&T for an iPhone, primarily because my wife uses them so I could get the family rate. But with the recent iPhone Sprint rumors I've decided to wait; I expect that with Sprint I can pay just a little more for the same service and not have to give any money to warrantless-wiretappers.

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  16. No optimistic. by MaWeiTao · · Score: 1

    I am pleasantly surprised to hear this news.

    I can't help but wonder what lead to this; if this was a matter of AT&T not making contributions to the right politicians, not being as connected as a company like GE, or not being in an industry like finance or healthcare. I'd say Bank of America gets away with far worse and not only are they not investigated but they're rewarded with bailouts. Of course, this all could be for show and the merger will end up going through anyway.

    I think it reflects a sad state of affairs in this country that we would even be surprised by this turn of events and that I'm inclined to assume the worst.

    1. Re:No optimistic. by MrFurious5150 · · Score: 1

      Of course, this all could be for show and the merger will end up going through anyway.

      This. 2012 is an election year, ya know.

    2. Re:No optimistic. by Darth_brooks · · Score: 1

      You're operating under the assumption that the government cannot possibly, every, under any circumstance whatsoever perform the slightest task. Ever. We've been well conditioned either by media sensationalism or by partisan pundits to just accept that this is the case. Whatever shreds of appearance of competence are left after those two are done are usually destroyed by the instances where the government actually does fuck things up, rather than just does something that pisses off the (left / right / center / fundies / neocons / bleeding hearts.) Every so often, moreso that we like to admit, the Federal government actually can accomplish their day to day duties. Usually.

      One of the things that has gotten lost in this merger is that......it's AT&T doing the acquiring. You know? The people that got broken up in an anti-trust suit 40+ years ago? Allowing them to complete major acquisitions without serious scrutiny (from the people that did the breaking up in the first place) is a bit like letting Michael Vick adopt a dog from the pound. Even if the intentions and motives are pure, it's gonna get a longer look because of....ya know....what happened in the past.

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    3. Re:No optimistic. by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

      Where did you get the idea that BofA has not been investigated for anything? A simple Google search on "bank of america investigation" would reveal they are getting royally hammered. In fact they are getting investigated for attempted to hinder some of the investigations they are under.

      I mean it's one thing to bring a political bias to a conversation; we all do that to some extent. But to make wild-ass factually incorrect statements that could be fact-checked with a simple Google search really exposes some pretty fundamental ignorance.

    4. Re:No optimistic. by mknewman · · Score: 1

      Sort of. AT&T was the old parent company before the breakup in the 80's. Several of the Baby Bells bought each other, with Southwestern Bell ending up buying AT&T (the long distance company) and changing their name to AT&T. Southwestern Bell owned Cingular and essentially has re-formed about 40% of the old AT&T plus this #2 wireless company into a new mega corp, $123b/year in revenues.

  17. Re:Well I think you're a fucking asshole by h4rr4r · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I never made such a claim. Again you act as though as all slashdot posts come from one person.

    The government is not coming for me, as far as I can tell, and if it did I would defend myself in court. Government is needed and all functional societies have one.

  18. Re:Sprint and T-Mo should merge by Rich0 · · Score: 1

    As an Android user from just about the start I can hardly complain about T-Mo phone selection.

    Their coverage is clearly lesser than their peers, but I rarely run into a dead zone - mainly in the mountains/etc. Just about anywhere I go I not only have coverage, but 4G coverage and I reliably get multi-Mbps transfer rates.

    I really don't need to see any improvements with T-Mo. I really was hoping the merger would fall through because T-Mo has a history of supporting Nexus phones and the non-Nexus phones tend to be easy to root, and ATT is the complete opposite. T-Mo also has lower rates, softer caps, and fewer (but not non-existent) predatory practices.

  19. Re:Sprint and T-Mo should merge by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

    I don't know if this would work out all that well as Sprint is CDMA and T-Mobile is GSM. The last time a CDMA service was merged with GSM was when Cingular bought out AT&T and then shut down their CDMA service. My sister was on AT&T then. Her service went from being the most reliable to horrible when that happened.

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  20. Re:Sprint and T-Mo should merge by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 1

    Sprint does offer unlimited data on their wimax ("4G"). I'm using it right now. It's pretty decent so long as you're not moving. Using it on the train is a bit painful, especially with the spotty coverage on the VA side of DC metro.

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  21. Good job! Next thing ... by PPH · · Score: 1

    ... go after the oil producer/refiner/distributor vertical monopolies.

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  22. Re:Sprint and T-Mo should merge by rwa2 · · Score: 1

    Sprint and T-Mobile? They don't even use the same technologies! That makes about as much sense as an AMD / ATi merger! Oh, wait...

    On the bright side, at least the new Intel server motherboards stopped coming with those horribly crappy on-board ATi ES1000 video chips, replaced with some Matrox 200 descendant that's refreshingly less crappy. On the bright side for the telecom industry... hmm, I don't see any bright side for any of the telecom mergers.

  23. Re:Cue the pundits. by calmofthestorm · · Score: 1

    As soon as their checks clear.

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  24. business as usual by Lead+Butthead · · Score: 1

    other cell carriers have a lot more to do with it than common sense in the government. I fear this "outbreak" you speak of is at best, overly exaggerated.

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  25. AT&T showed their hand too early by xjerky · · Score: 2

    Y'know for the past year or so I've been wondering how AT&T was ballsy enough to drop unlimited data and tiered text messaging for users, not to mention their tethering plan scam, when they should have been keeping up appearances to the DOJ that they actually care about their customers. Looks like that was a bad idea!

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    1. Re:AT&T showed their hand too early by arnott · · Score: 1

      You know what, you're right!

    2. Re:AT&T showed their hand too early by xjerky · · Score: 1

      Oh, I know, which kinda backs up my point - AT&T made it pretty obvious that a duopoly was at play. Why would the government make it even easier for that to take hold?

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    3. Re:AT&T showed their hand too early by PRMan · · Score: 1

      What makes you think the collusion was unspoken?

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  26. Re: cash for customers by ace37 · · Score: 1

    I'm sure it didn't help Microsoft any, but I didn't mind when bing sent me a check last year for buying a nice camera on tigerdirect. I'll gladly encourage them to continue using a business model that involves giving me free money!

    And honestly, it seems to be working wonders for Firefox with google paying big bucks to be the default search engine--and unlike MS, I'm sure google is actually getting a positive return on that investment.

  27. Yes, but will T-Mobile survive? by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

    Just because the merger is not approved does not mean that T-Mobile will continue as a viable alternative. My understanding was that the reason that Deutsche Telekom was selling T-Mobile was because they were not making enough return on investment.
    The first article says that AT&T will give T-Mobile $3 billion if the deal does not go through, but that is not the case. AT&T will give Deutsche Telekom $3 billion if the deal does not go through. There is no reason to suppose that Deutsche Telekom will pass that money on to T-Mobile.
    Are we any better off if T-Mobile goes bankrupt? I do not know if that will happen if this deal does not go through, but there is reason to suspect that it might.

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    1. Re:Yes, but will T-Mobile survive? by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 1

      I think I would rather see T-mobile go bankrupt. Perhaps then some of the smaller start-up cellular providers could afford to buy portions of their assets. I would love to see companies like SimpleMobile and Cricket buy up their own towers in some areas and become strong localized competitors in the GSM arena.

    2. Re:Yes, but will T-Mobile survive? by HereIAmJH · · Score: 2

      Deutsche Telekom didn't want to put more money into T-Mobile because they're investing it all in their LTE buildout in Europe. T-Mobile is in bad shape because they need to build a 4g network to keep up with every one else, but they didn't buy any spectrum to do it. Whether the $3b goes to T-Mobile or not, DT has no reason to keep the spectrum. So T-Mobile will get the spectrum they need for a 4g network, they just need cash to build it.

      DT could look at it in a number of ways;
      they find another buyer for T-Mobile as it sits (but they won't get the premium price AT&T was offering),
      they could look at the $3b as found money and use it to build T-Mobile's 4g network (making them more profitable and a better candidate for sale),
      or they could keep the $3b and tell T-Mobile to find their own money to utilize the new spectrum (possibly pissing away their investment as T-Mobile falls farther behind).

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    3. Re:Yes, but will T-Mobile survive? by PRMan · · Score: 1

      Sprint would buy them cheap for spare parts and we would have a much better 3 horse race than if AT&T buys them, so yes, I think it would be better.

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  28. This is actually good news for T-Mobile by generalhavok · · Score: 1
    If this deal is blocked, it would not be bad news for T-Mobile as some here have claimed. According to Bloomberg,

    "Should regulators reject the deal, which would create the biggest U.S. wireless carrier, AT&T would have to pay Deutsche Telekom $3 billion in cash. It would also provide T-Mobile USA with wireless spectrum in some regions and reduced charges for calls into AT&T’s network, for a total package valued at as much as $7 billion, Deutsche Telekom said this month."

    So T-Mobile would get $3 billion in cash, more spectrum, and reduced fees for calls going through AT&T's network. This would seem to be good news for T-Mobile, as all of these things would make them more competitive.

  29. Re:Sprint and T-Mo should merge by Reverand+Dave · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure where you are getting your info. I migrated from AT&T because they are a $hit carrier with terrible coverage and even worse customer service. They hooked in suckers with the iPhone and threw everything else worthwhile out the window. If you weren't willing to swallow the warm jobsy load AT&T was offering on the shiny side of the hardware equation you were basically f*cked for a good phone and even more on data and service.

    T-mobile has everything hardware wise but the iPhone plus they have far superior pricing, service, and coverage. If you're wanting something shiny and crappy, you can go to VZW to get your iPhone and still avoid AT&T.

    AT&T has nothing on it's competition besides and economic advantage which is steadily shrinking. I personally know 10 people that jumped their ship as soon as VZW started offering an iPhone and that is all about AT&T being a crap carrier and generally a bunch of assholes.

    I'm not going to contest that WiMax is garbage, there is no doubt about that, but everyone I know on Sprint is way more satisfied than anyone on AT&T.

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  30. Re:Sprint and T-Mo should merge by alen · · Score: 1

    VZW and AT&T are trying to dump their unlimited customers to sprint. if sprint does end up taking a lot of them on we will have to see how long they can take unlimited data.

  31. Re:Sprint and T-Mo should merge by thelovebus · · Score: 1

    I'd argue that prior to the last few years where smart phones have become incredibly popular, Sprint tended to offer some of the best/most advanced phones available (other carriers did as well), so your argument that they offered "the worst phones" seems completely wrong to me.

  32. Re:Sprint and T-Mo should merge by alen · · Score: 1

    it's not GSM but UMTS/HSPA/HSUPA/HSPDA and other new modulations. UMTS was a few years ago and the modulations have changed and service is a lot better.

  33. Re:Sprint and T-Mo should merge by hedwards · · Score: 1

    Sprint customer service pissed me off, but the coverage around here is easily the best in my experience. I rarely if ever had a dropped call and I was getting bars where none of the other folks were getting bars. Considering I'm living in Seattle and there are portions of the city without any coverage from AT&T at all, I think it bodes poorly if the DoJ ultimately backs off.

  34. Jobs are not the point by Iamthecheese · · Score: 1

    Jobs shouldn't be the point of this in any way. If you think the government should force companies to hire more people you've fallen for the broken window fallacy. It's not about efficiency it's about competition. This action is supposed to improve service and lower prices by allowing other companies to compete. And guess what? If another company can compete by farming out 50% of its support to India and still sell phone services that's the way it's supposed to go.

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  35. Re:Sprint and T-Mo should merge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Wrong.

    AT&T Wireless had a TDMA and GSM network before Cingular. AT&T went from AMPS to TDMA to GSM. You might be thinking of US Cellular and Cricket when customer regions were swapped due to divestments. I was there.

    The ideal outcome is that Sprint dumps it's CDMA network post-haste and adopts the GSM-LTE standards. Reason? iPhone. T-Mobile gets the iPhone next. The entire reason Sprint is in such a hurting position right now is because they have no plan, and are seeking dead-end solutions like Clearwire.

    The DOJ, should they bring down the ban-hammer, should tell the American cellular providers to adopt a common network (LTE next generation), all phones are to be carrier unlocked and usable on any network. If they want competition, they need to break down the anti-competitive barriers first. Incompatible frequencies, technologies and subsidies are what keeps the mobile phone carriers customers from churn.

  36. Re:Sprint and T-Mo should merge by Miamicanes · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The one thing Sprint could possibly bring to the table in a merger with T-Mobile if they didn't completely botch it is (theoretical) compatibility with international UMTS frequencies.

    International UMTS uses 1900MHz for uplink, and 2100MHz for downlink (give or take a few MHz)

    T-Mobile bought 1700 & 2100Mhz licenses during the AWS auction. They have very little 1900MHz spectrum, and it's all used by GSM voice and 2/2.5G data.

    With a little creativity, Sprint could start repurposing 1900MHz spectrum currently used for EVDO to UMTS uplinks, and start shipping phones like the ones used in Canada that use CDMA for voice, but UMTS for 3G data. There wouldn't be any compatibility problem with pre-existing T-Mobile UMTS phones, because AFAIK, every UMTS phone ever sold by T-Mobile can do 1900/2100 UMTS in addition to 1700/2100 UMTS. There might be some temporary bandwidth crunches for EVDO, but if they got their act together quickly and shifted all new Android phones to 1900/2100 UMTS (falling back to 1900MHz EVDO only where 1900/2100 UMTS didn't exist), and simultaneously improved their 4G network options, the problem would largely solve itself within a year or two as heavy data users dumped their old phones and bought new ones within a year or two anyway.

    The problem is, Sprint completely fucked up the merger with Nextel, which kind of casts doubt on their ability to merge a 1900MHz CDMA2000 network with a 1900MHz legacy GSM network, a 1700/2100MHz UMTS network, and a 2.6GHz WiMax (soon to be LTE) network. If they could manage to avoid completely screwing up T-Mobile's existing network in the process, it would put SprinT-mobile in a unique position among American carriers -- they'd be the one carrier capable of providing UMTS on international frequencies within the United States. For that reason, I'd prefer they both remain separate. But if anyone has to merge, Sprint and T-Mobile would probably be the least of all evils. Especially if Google ended up buying both of them to keep Sprint from physically screwing up T-mobile's network along the way.

  37. Re:Sprint and T-Mo should merge by IorDMUX · · Score: 1

    I agree fully. I made a similar transition from Verizon to Sprint after seeing the absurd charges Verizon levels on texting and data plans, as well as their lack of any decent HTC Android phones. Yes, Verizon has some great voice plans, but my wife and I use our phones for far more than voice calls, now. I made up my early termination fee within a few months, and have been saving $50 per month from there on out.

    The tradeoff? Urban coverage for rural coverage. With Verizon, I had great data coverage in the middle of the Great Basin, but with Sprint I actually have coverage in my office! For me, at least, the latter is a bit more useful.

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  38. Re:Sprint and T-Mo should merge by Corf · · Score: 1

    I was with Virgin Mobile for five years, but initiated the process to port my number to Google yesterday due to my office now providing me with an iPhone. Wife is going to drop her Verizon dumbphone Real Soon Now in favor of a VM plan and Android phone.

    If VM could step it up on the phone side of things (and this hot Motorola they offer now is moving in the right direction) I'd be hard-pressed to recommend any other service. $35/month for 300m and "unlimited" data/texting? Hells to the yes.

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  39. This might make me stick with T-Mobile by TheDarkener · · Score: 2

    I'm a current T-Mobile customer with 2 cell phones on a single plan (one for me and one for my wife). After years of horrible customer service experiences, sub-par network service and, of course, after being psychologically sick of giving a company money that was involved with wholesale illegal wiretapping, we canceled our 2 cell phones, DSL service, and home landline (all AT&T).

    We went to T-Mobile because they were one of the only other companies left. They were "new" to us, a fresh company with young motivated employees that actually sounded genuinely glad to help you. We were so happy with them.

    When we heard about the pending merger with AT&T, we immediately started looking around. We haven't switched yet, but as soon as the merger was complete we would have broken our contract (we were pretty sure there would be something we could say about not paying an early cancellation fee since a merger wasn't in our contract). Over the past few months, we noticed little things start happening with our account (which may or may not be related to the merger, yet we never experienced it before the word was out). Extra bill charges, randomly having our account turn on Internet access on my wife's cell phone without us asking for it (and them charging us $30/month for it), and even when we called them, the vibrance in their voices were completely gone. I might be sounding wishy-washy about the customer service enthusiasm, but seriously. It was a DRAMATIC change. It already seemed like the call centers were moved to AT&T.

    I really hope this thing is blocked. I want to stick with T-Mobile. I want to give my money to a company that isn't involved with an enormous constitutional rights violation. I want to be able to choose. I don't want another Ma Bell.

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    1. Re:This might make me stick with T-Mobile by eharvill · · Score: 1

      I might be sounding wishy-washy about the customer service enthusiasm, but seriously. It was a DRAMATIC change. It already seemed like the call centers were moved to AT&T.

      You are wishy-washy. Considering absolutely nothing has changed with either organization since the merger announcement, what do you think the problem is? When is the last time you called an AT&T call center?

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    2. Re:This might make me stick with T-Mobile by QuantumRiff · · Score: 1

      When a merger like this happens, there is massive redundancies, and mass layoffs.. (err, sorry, restructuring)... The smart people know whats coming, and know that their chances are better if they look for work right now, and leave quickly, then wait for the merger to happen, and find themselves, and 50 (or many, many more) of their co-workers with similar skills hunting for any remaining jobs with such a large pool to compete with.

      As soon as this merger was announced, many of the best and brightest left. Many of the other good ones are taking long lunches, and "pto days" to interview...

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  40. Re:Sprint and T-Mo should merge by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

    Sprint and T-Mobile? They don't even use the same technologies!

    Although Sprint bought Nextel and they use(d) different technologies. From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprint_Nextel

    The company continues to operate using two separate wireless network technologies, CDMA and iDEN (for Nextel and some Boost Mobile subscribers).

    I think it would be great if Sprint bought T-Mobil (though I don't think they have the cash to do so), then they'd have access GSM as well.

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  41. Re:Sprint and T-Mo should merge by JThaddeus · · Score: 1

    T-Mo has a good phone selection this year and Sprint is getting better as well but Apple killed them with the iphone

    Agreed. I like my Android, but I have one in part because I'm a Linux user: I don't have a Mac or Windows PC at home to run iTunes (just managing an iPod is labor enough). We're all/mostly geeks here, but among the unwashed masses, the iPhone dominates. So long as a carrier can't offer an iPhone, that carrier is doomed to a distant 3rd place behind AT&T and Verizon.

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  42. Re:Sprint and T-Mo should merge by Glendale2x · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm pretty sure Nextel was iDEN, not GSM.

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  43. Re:Sprint and T-Mo should merge by Dracos · · Score: 1

    Sprint is the only major carrier left that offers unlimited data plans.

    And as for crappy phones, I quite like my Epic 4G (although I'm still waiting for Gingerbread before I root it). I've heard rumor that the iPhone 5 will be dual band (GSM and CDMA) and that it is coming to Sprint in October.

  44. Re:Sprint and T-Mo should merge by Shatrat · · Score: 2

    Nextel used IDEN which is not GSM. It uses SIM cards, but it is an incompatible standard.

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  45. Not true. by scottbomb · · Score: 1

    I put my girlfriend in a pre-paid T-Moblie plan about a month ago, long after the announcement.

    Here's proof: http://prepaid-phones.t-mobile.com/

    1. Re:Not true. by heypete · · Score: 1

      Prepaid != No Contract.

      T-Mobile used to offer subscriptions that were, for example, $50/month for the two-year-contract plan and $40/month for the no-contract plan, on the condition that you either used a pre-existing phone or paid full-price for the phone, rather than having it subsidized through the subscription.

      Since there's no need for them to keep you locked to them (e.g. they didn't subsidize the cost of a pricey phone), one would be free to cancel at any time with no early termination fees.

    2. Re:Not true. by Yamioni · · Score: 1

      No, Prepaid is indeed No Contract. However No Contract doesn't necessarily have to be Prepaid, it can simply be "Unsubsidized". The GGP doesn't make a distinction as to whether they mean Unsubsidized plans or all No Contract plans. Scottbomb was correct in pointing out No Contract plans still exist, in the form of prepaid plans.

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  46. The deal is not blocked by EmagGeek · · Score: 2

    Um, can I just point out that this does not mean the deal is automatically blocked?

    The summary is wrong in stating that DoJ is "blocking the deal." They can't do that. All they can do is go to court and ask for an injunction, and the court may or may not grant one based on what DoJ presents to it.

    So, it's not time to celebrate or mourn yet.

  47. Re:Sprint and T-Mo should merge by Widowwolf · · Score: 1

    And yet ATT is still outselling Verizon in the Iphone department, and still has a higher new customer rate Verizon (VZ, Fortune 500) said it activated 2.3 million iPhones in the second quarter, far fewer than the 3.6 million AT&T (T, Fortune 500) activated over the same three-month period From: http://money.cnn.com/2011/07/22/technology/att_verizon_iphone/index.htm

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  48. Madate world phones by pseudorand · · Score: 1

    This is just stupid. We WANT AT&T and T-mobile to merge because having one carrier maintain all the GSM infrastructure and manage that spectrum is simply more efficient.

    What the government needs to regulate is consumer's access to the competitive market. Require all phones to come with both GSM and CDMA radios (or have a cheap, replaceable part to do so) and be compatible with all networks. Then allow consumers to get out of their contracts if they find a minimum data speeds or voice quality isn't met. The markets will take it from there.

    1. Re:Madate world phones by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      This is just stupid. We WANT AT&T and T-mobile to merge because having one carrier maintain all the GSM infrastructure and manage that spectrum is simply more efficient.

      yes, and we want one cable company, one shipping company, one grocery store chain, and one airline too. because after all, it's more efficient right?

    2. Re:Madate world phones by eharvill · · Score: 1

      (Western) Europe seems to have some pretty damn competitive cellular plans and nearly 100% coverage. I don't see the problem. Because it's more efficient, right?

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    3. Re:Madate world phones by Yamioni · · Score: 1

      Well, provided we could trust that singular company to not abuse its monopoly and actually pass the savings on to the consumer... Yes.

      Back here in the real world however... Yeah.....

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  49. Re:Sprint and T-Mo should merge by zero0ne · · Score: 1

    Keep in mind Sprint has a "new" CEO. I could see Hesse leading Sprint through a smooth merger.

    The Sprint / Nextel merger was around 2004 / 2005, and Hesse took lead in 2007. Hesse was also with AT&T for a long ass time (25 years I think), and started out as a intern. I think Hesse brings a LOT of insight (what AT&T did right / wrong) from his time at AT&T.

    How many big company CEOs actually put themselves in the commercials? Shows me he is personally invested in the success of Sprint.

  50. Re:Sprint and T-Mo should merge by Reverand+Dave · · Score: 1

    So by that logic, Justin Bieber is great because he's sold a lot of records. I'm not saying VZW is a more profitable or larger company than AT&T I'm just saying in my experience they don't suck as bad as AT&T and my experience and evidence I have witnessed supports my conclusion.

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  51. Re:Sprint and T-Mo should merge by boss_hog · · Score: 1

    True, but iDEN was basically eGSM(or GSM+, if you'd like)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrated_Digital_Enhanced_Network#Hardware

    not sure how easily it would convert to real GSM, but to say iDEN is not GSM is a bit like saying hybrids are not ICE vehicles. Partly true, partly not.

  52. Politics as usual by Lifyre · · Score: 1

    Not to be jaded but the DoJ is ultimately an extension of the President. The primary motivation here is political. The President has seen that this move is incredibly unpopular and has remained so for an extended period of time so he's told the Attorney General to move to block it, or at least be seen to do so. This gets him great press and lets him tout that he fights for the masses not just the Rich ("like the Republicans" at least implied).

    I completely support blocking the merger but I don't for one second trust the base motivations of those involved.

    Also for those of you talking about the 5,000 jobs AT&T has promised to return to the US you might want to look into how many jobs they off shored first. AT&T is starting to realize that off shoring is no longer as economically feasible as it once was and creates significant discontent with the customers, this was likely coming regardless of the merger's success. That would also be why many corporate support centers are still in the US and the consumer support has primarily been off shored. If AT&T wants to make a splash they can promise to move ALL off shored jobs back to the US.

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  53. Re:Sprint and T-Mo should merge by jonbryce · · Score: 1

    The 2G service is GSM.

  54. Re:Good news by jonbryce · · Score: 1

    Mergers are also good for the shareholders of the taken over company, as the acquiring company has to pay over the odds to buy it.

  55. Re:Sprint and T-Mo should merge by Widowwolf · · Score: 1

    AT&T has nothing on it's competition besides and economic advantage which is steadily shrinking You say they are shrinking and i am calling you out on that BS line. I know people who are on sprint that cant wait for their contract to end to jump ship straight out for the lies from customer service

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  56. Re:Cue the pundits. by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 2

    I've already seen rants about the "free market" on other sites.

    Here is something that people need to know: Adam Smith 1) didn't figure huge corporations into his thinking because he thought they could never be a force in the marketplace and 2) didn't believe that monopolies were a good thing so would probably not be hostile to breaking them up for the good of the market.

    People that spout about the free market solving ALL problems are believers in faith-based economics...

  57. Re:Cue the pundits. by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 1

    Anyone who tries to turn Adam Smith into a libertarian, Austrian economist or objectivist have never read Adam Smith.

  58. Thank goodness for antitrust regulation by jensend · · Score: 1

    One glorious day mobile pricing will be based entirely on bandwidth usage. Text messaging will be- for all intents and purposes- free, as the associated bandwidth costs carriers practically nil. Nobody will be punished for tethering their computer to their phone- data is data, however it gets consumed. You'll be able to use any phone/broadband modem/etc which adheres to standards with any carrier, and applications for your phone etc won't be under carrier control at all (goodbye to paying monthly fees for software which should be built in). Carriers will have to compete on price, and enough carriers will have coverage in any given area that prices will be much less painful (especially for light-bandwidth users)- they will better reflect the cost of providing service rather than the demands of monopoly profits.

    Wireless coverage in Europe is already there on some of these counts. It will take a long hard battle to bring this kind of consumer-friendly atmosphere to the US. Blocking a merger like this which threatened to narrow competition down to two firms (Sprint would likely have been edged out and finally purchased by either the behemoth AT&T-mobile or Verizon) is only the beginning.

  59. Re:Sprint and T-Mo should merge by Reverand+Dave · · Score: 1

    VZW has only had an iPhone for a relatively short period of time. A lot of AT&T's repeat business is due to people renewing and upgrading their iPhones. Once Verizon starts to get entrenched a few generations with their shinies they I think their business will grow and start taking a bigger bite out of AT&T. Especially since Verizon hasn't even had theirs for 2 years yet.

    As for the people you know that are waiting to get away from sprint, steer them away from AT&T because the customer service with them is likely equally poor if not worse.

    The point is, whether or not AT&T is shrinking, they suck on many levels and I don't want to have to go back to them. This sentiment seems to be echoed through out this thread which I know is not indicative of society in general, but even if it represents a small part, they will lose market share due to poor service in all sectors of their business.

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  60. Re:Well I think you're a fucking asshole by brkello · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I think you fall under his moron category. Three felonies a day? Give me a break. You have gone off the deep end.

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  61. Re:Sprint and T-Mo should merge by PRMan · · Score: 1

    Just record them... They've already told you that the phone call is being recorded, so neither party should be able to say they didn't know it was being recorded. Just to be sure, let them know that you are recording the phone call as well as soon as you get someone. I'm sure the solution to that isn't in their script.

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  62. Re:Sprint and T-Mo should merge by PRMan · · Score: 2

    The ideal outcome is that Sprint dumps it's CDMA network post-haste and adopts the GSM-LTE standards. Reason? iPhone.

    Sprint's getting an iPhone anyway in September.

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  63. Re:Sprint and T-Mo should merge by PRMan · · Score: 1

    Also, CDMA (Sprint and Verizon) works better in wide-open spaces whereas GSM (T-Mobile and AT&T) works better in densely-populated areas. I think it explains the iPhone vs. Android map.

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  64. Re:Sprint and T-Mo should merge by AaronW · · Score: 1

    Actually CDMA works better in densely populated areas as well. It is able to handle a larger call volume in the same amount of spectrum compared to GSM. Why do you think AT&T customers have so many problems in places like New York and San Francisco? CDMA allows multiple devices to transmit at the same time on the same frequency and is much better at adjusting the power levels compared to GSM.

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  65. Re:Well I think you're a fucking asshole by RubberChainsaw · · Score: 1, Informative

    Three felonies a day? Give me a break. You have gone off the deep end.

    I am not posting to defend the GP's statements. Instead, I would like to point you to the book Three Felonies a Day, which I have read. It does a good job of showing the pervasiveness with which liberty has been (and continues to be) eroded by inappropriate application of outdated laws and regulations. It was written by a well respected lawyer who champion's individuals' legal rights. It is worth a read.

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  66. The name would not work by okmijnuhb · · Score: 1

    Who wants a wireless carrier called AT&T-Mobile?

  67. Re:I WANT ATT to buy T-mobile by eharvill · · Score: 1

    Umm. AT&T has been buying out the "independents" for the last several years so they don't have to deal with roaming agreements. It won't be long before the rest are swallowed up.

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  68. Re:Sprint and T-Mo should merge by toddestan · · Score: 1

    Why doesn't Intel use their own integrated video? Granted, they are still crap but I see little reason why Intel would have to use a Matrox chip.

  69. Re:Sprint and T-Mo should merge by eharvill · · Score: 1

    And look how well that has worked out for them....

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  70. Re:Sprint and T-Mo should merge by eharvill · · Score: 1

    How many big company CEOs actually put themselves in the commercials? Shows me he is personally invested in the success of Sprint.

    Dave Thomas, may he RIP

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  71. T-Mobile and AT&T merger by emaname · · Score: 1

    When has a merger ever created more jobs? IIRC there was a leaked memo that mentioned they were planning on laying off about 20,000 employees after the merger. I can't remember the source at this time, but will post again once I find it.

    I've been through mergers. It's always the same. There is always a duplication of services within the newly formed larger business entity so in order to create more efficiency they will remove those duplicate positions from the payroll.

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    1. Re:T-Mobile and AT&T merger by emaname · · Score: 1

      Re the 20,000 employees laid off... It's actually a bit of speculation.

      Pretending That T-Mobile Job Losses Will Actually be Job Gains

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  72. Re:Well I think you're a fucking asshole by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

    I don't do that.

    Also that is only 1 uncommon thing, not the two or three you claimed were common. In fact that is a law I agree with. You should have to prove that you do not use endangered woods in products you sell. You could just avoid using those types of woods altogether if ti is too much hassle. Interstate regulation of commerce is a federal power in the constitution!

  73. Re:In other news... by Yamioni · · Score: 1

    Months? They must not be sleeping much. I work with an Indian woman who has lived here in the US for nearly two decades and I still can't understand a fucking thing she says.

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  74. AT&T-1000? by Yamioni · · Score: 1

    Holy crap. Someone dump AT&T into a vat of molten steel quick! You can break the mother-fucker up, but it just keeps reforming!

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  75. That they don't get the cash by brokeninside · · Score: 1

    You seem to be ignorant of how relationships like this work.

    DT gets the cash. Most likely they will use it to fund other subsidiaries, pay dividends to shareholders, or the like. What they will not do with it is sink it back into T-Mobile. Which means T-Mobile will not be able to use it to expand infrastructure, acquire more subscribers, etc.

    Think of it like a guy that owns 5 convenience stores. He decides that one is unprofitable and he's unwilling to invest any more money into it. He tentatively agrees to sell it to a woman who agrees to pay him a sum of money if the deal falls through. The deal falls through. The woman pays the guy the money. The unprofitable store is still unprofitable, is no better off, and will likely close shortly. But the guy that owns the store walks away with a nice spot of cash to offset his losses.

  76. Yes and no by brokeninside · · Score: 1

    Federal agencies have two types of positions, career and appointed. The appointed positions generally set the tone and direction for the career positions. So, it could be the same zombies but more likely than not a different witch is the one holding the staff of power that directs their actions.

    1. Re:Yes and no by fotbr · · Score: 1

      Oh, I'm well aware of that...but the fact is the zombies that actually do the work, are the career kind that are more often than not counting on the fact that it nearly takes an act of congress for them to get fired for being incompetent.