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Man Charged in Model Airplane Plot To Bomb Pentagon
garymortimer writes "A 26-year-old Massachusetts man with a physics degree was arrested and charged Wednesday with plotting an attack on the Pentagon and the U.S. Capitol with remote-controlled model aircraft, authorities said. Rezwan Ferdaus, a U.S. citizen from Ashland, Massachusetts, planned to use model aircraft filled with C-4 plastic explosives. As a result of an undercover FBI investigation, Ferdaus, who has a physics degree from Northeastern University in Boston, was charged with attempting to provide material support and resources to al Qaeda for attacks on U.S. soldiers overseas. His federal public defender couldn't be reached immediately for comment."
Well shit does this mean I have to get groped before using my RC airplanes? I hope they are willing to at least give me a happy ending if so. I'm tired of them being teases.
Didn't he get the memo about how SUICIDE bombers work?
And a remote control plane? Great, now the TSA's going to be doing strip searches in toy stores. (always figured groping kids was their main plan all along, this just helps them achieve it faster).
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Smells like a set up...
Why would anyone with half a brain do this? A model plane with a bit of C4 wouldn't do much to the exterior. So much work and risk for such little little 'gain'.
My guess is this guy pissed off someone big.
Do not give physics degrees to Muslims. Even aside from the radical and hateful beliefs that cause them to do stupid shit like try to fly planes (real or model) into buildings, they may go running back to Iran to aid in the uranium enrichment and bomb building efforts. Our grandfathers would never have let this happen in WWII.
I have to wonder the nature of the situation when the charges are for, "attempting to provide material support", as in, was he in contact with anyone who was actually planning to bomb anything, or was everyone he interacted with affiliated with law enforcement, and they took a disgruntled man and groomed him into the position they're not charging him for.
We'll probably never really know, which is why I really dislike conspiracy type charges when there aren't several people charged.
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The Pentagon is *really* big. So is the Capitol. Unless the remote controlled airplane was a full size Cessna, you couldn't carry enough C4 to do any real damage to either of them. The FBI spokesperson called him an aspiring terrorist. With the emphasis on ASS, I'd say.
even in TFA. It says that he planned to do this himself, and explicitely states that he had no direct connection to a terrorist organization, where does the "attempting to provide material support and resources to al Qaeda for attacks on U.S. soldiers overseas" charge come from?
I guess it could be inferred that he THOUGHT he had a connection, that turned out to be FBI agents, but it doesn't say anything about that, and if that's not true, then should shock everyone reading, because it just implied that every one who wants to commit a terrorist act is automatically considered to be a part of Al Qaeda.
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A real, full-size airliner barely put a dent in the Pentagon. A remote controlled plane the size of a Cessna full of C4 would break a few windows.
This guy was a physics major and can't calculate how much C4 it would take to punch a hole in a solid concrete building?
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Just another "scare them" plot. People will act like this is the horror of the century and use it to justify curtailing rights even more.
It's too bad that a fun hobby like RC aircraft was co-opted by the military for use in target drones and later surveillance aircraft and now weapons platforms. Of course one understands the reasons - they are cheap, well no now they are $100 million each but they used to be cheap, they are quiet, and you don't need to put a pilot in danger or have the whole logistical set up of a full airbase to support one. At some point the airbase itself becomes a target that needs to be defended. A drone can be launched or recovered from almost anywhere - depending on the drone.
It was an idea that made sense. But ideas grow, just like the concept of lighting gunpowder behind a ball of lead inside a tube. The basic properties of drones remain - almost anyone can fly one. They are cheap. They are quiet. And you can't put a hellfire missile on one but you certainly could put a couple pounds of explosives, and fly it absolutely anywhere. And I mean anywhere. If the military can do it, so can you. Because of this innate problem, my prediction is that RC aircraft - owning one, manufacturing one, or flying one, is about to be grabbed by the government and handed to the military. Just like today guns are under strict control, RC aircraft will soon be under strict control. And that's sad because the vast, vast majority of RC aircraft are flown by hobbyists for fun.
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I wonder which would have done more damage... the fake C4 nosediving onto the pentagons front lawn, or the now defaulted student loans for the physics degree.
And what the hell can you expect from a moslem?
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The man from U.N.C.L.E. had an episode that used an rc plane to attack Washington buildings.
Hmm, let's see, a R/C plane might weigh ten pounds and carry maybe 5 pounds of explosives. The plane that hit the Pentagon weighed, oh, say ten thousand times as much, packed about 25,000,000 times the energy, and damaged the Pentagon by, say, 1%. What school did he go to, just so I make sure my son doesn't go there for his Master's?
arrested and charged Wednesday with plotting an attack on the Pentagon and the U.S. Capitol
was charged with attempting to provide material support and resources to al Qaeda for attacks on U.S. soldiers overseas
There is no information to indicate he was connected to a foreign terrorist organization.
Huh? How does the charge relate to the act?
A 26-year-old Massachusetts man with a physics degree
So, what was his Slashdot handle?
All terrorists are nutcases. No sane person decides that cold-blooded mass murder (often of people only tangentially related to the source of their anger) is the best way to accomplish their goals.
Given my druthers, I'd prefer smart terrorists. Guys like this making RC plane bombs, or that guy who tried to make a dirty bomb to set off at Obama's inauguration. They tend to be easier to catch, because they outsmart themselves. Someone less "clever" might just buy a gun and shoot some people -- see Scott Roeder, Byron Williams, Nidal Hassan, and Jared Loughner.
All different motives (anti-abortion, Glenn Beck told me to, anti-military, straight-up crazy), and all of them not-all-there. Three of the four successful, and the fourth (Williams) only failed because society was lucky enough for him to get a traffic ticket on the way to the shooting. I'll take a dent in the Pentagon's walls any day of the week.
Rezwan Ferdaus is a moslem.
They are the followers of that "Peaceful Religion".
So peaceful that they bombed the WTC of New York City.
So peaceful that even a guy that studied physics in a major university can't help himself but plotting to bomb the country that helps him to get his university degree
Just round up those moslems. They _ARE_ the nutcases.
The government is starting a new process to restrict shipment and sales of model rocket engines, after getting their asses handed to them in a big court case against rocket hobbyists a couple years ago.
Next hobby on the chopping block-- Punkin Chunkers? BattleBots? , DIY anything?
That's right citizen...just sit on your couch and watch the tube...actually building things helps the terrorists!
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The picture sure looks like an F-4 Phantom jet...
anyone?
The RC model shown in the picture looks to be cost several hundred dollars--nowhere near close to $6500.
It reeks of entrapment when the FBI brags about their conspiracy busts after having to supply all the materials, setup the explosives for them, and show the perps how to use them, drive them to the event and then bust the perps for 'terrorism'.
Multiple examples discussed here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaqUmtKnIHs
If it weren't for those meddling kids at the FBI! NSFW
The article says he had a model F-86, but any idiot knows the plane in the picture is an F-4 Phantom.
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This is unreal - I just re-watched Brotherhood Of The Rose (1989) and that is exactly how they destroyed one of the bad guys. Awesome Show - Robert Mitchum, Peter Strauss, Connie Selleca, David Morse - 3 hours long, although there is an abridged version at 103 minutes. It was also presented as a TV mini-series (6 episodes I believe). Cheers.
As I understand it, all Islamic terrorists arrested inside the U.S. were put up to it by the FBI.
You see, the FBI prefers to train it's own terrorists because doing so is far easier than catching the real deal, who might be dangerous, or hard to find, or worse not exist at all. Don't you feel safer with the FBI making sure there are terrorists to catch?
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At some point the airbase itself becomes a target that needs to be defended. A drone can be launched or recovered from almost anywhere - depending on the drone.
Right... because a "drone control center" - and you KNOW they will centralize it - wouldn't be just as juicy a target as an airfield? It may be easier to hide now, but eventually techniques for backtracking the control signals or whatever will make it possible to locate them. Didn't you watch SG:U or the Star Wars prequel movies? They *always* go after the drone command!
My first reaction, after seeing the headline, was that here is another thing to be taken away from us because of its (fairly recently realized) potential for destruction.
Chemistry sets, model rocketry, electronics (anyone remember the recent story about the girl with the electronics project in the airport?)... one can only wonder what is next.
If you take the idea to the limit, the logical end is that all tools and/or equipment for experimentation will be outlawed and/or tightly regulated. Though I can imagine it on the horizon, its hard to imagine what it would look like. Can you imagine needing a license to own a pair of pliers?
I sure don't want to live in a world like that.
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Consider:
The majority of Terrorists (that threaten the western world) are Muslims.
The majority of Muslims are not Terrorists.
The majority of motorists involved in fatal car crashes are male.
The majority of males are not involved in fatal car crashes.
Should all males be banned from driving?
Banning Muslims from getting degrees or treating them like mindless zealots will not help the situation.
Mod me troll, whatever. Some of the narrow minded comments I have read here makes me wonder if some of you are even nerds.
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Wait wait wait, I wonder what kind of degree this guy had?
At the local RC airport here in Van Nuys (probably the busiest RC airport in the world) they have a couple of days of LA JETS each year. The variety and sophistication of the equipment is amazing. Each of those planes probably is a multi-thousand dollar investment.
But what's also amazing is how well the community polices itself. There are safety interlocks on each plane, and very strict rules about speed, altitude, and range; and everybody watches everybody else extremely closely. They all know that the first time a 200mph 15-lb jet plows through a crowd of spectators, it's all over -- so they are fanatical about safety. It's very impressive to see. So far, I believe that the safety record has been extremely good.
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For once.
Which is, like, good. Real C4 could still have killed some people (either in the park or at this location by being dumb or while exploding even if it doesnt really arm the building itself, could crash nearby and injure people.
In short, echelon seems to work just fine ;-)
There is a reason terrorist prefer straight axle trucks, they can carry enough explosives to actually destroy something. RC planes might kill a few people and cause a lot of limited chaos, but the headlines of "Destroying" buildings are simply inflammatory. I have yet to see an article calling for the ban of Ryder trucks.
Fuck! There goes another hobby. Chemistry, Rocketry, RC Planes... I wonder which geeky hobby is next up to be regulated into oblivion.
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This means that physics degrees are dangerous, and should be outlawed.
But I suppose if we make it illegal to have physics degrees, only criminals will be good at physics.
After reading this article, I'm halfway tempted to think that his incident was an elaborately orchestrated plot to facilitate a power grab by the FAA:
AMA: FAA Seeks To Restrict Model Aircraft Flight
Excursus: When the FAA was in danger of "losing 4,000 jobs", I thought to myself, "what the hell does the FAA need with 4,000 employees" - can't we deploy Skynet already?
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It's pretty simple, really: just pour a lot of money into the campaigns for far right-wing Republican candidates like Bachmann,
The alternate plan of pouring money into enough Democratic campaigns to give them unfettered power for two years was far superior, it's destroyed millions of jobs, killed a number of border agents by sending arms to Mexican drug cartels, and basically give the economy a kick in the nads worse than 9/11.
So basically that was a lot better plan than your plan of supporting one person slightly out of the ordinary that simply wants the government to back off people a little bit and let them have some of the freedom they have lost of late.
Come to think of it, how are we supposed to be harmed again by having more freedom? I guess some might party themselves to death, once we lift enough regulations.
I dare you to try your diabolical plan.
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...surveillance complex.
There have been many cases where, as one defense attorney put it, the "plots" were 'written, directed and produced by the FBI'. As in FBI undercover agents or paid informants will actively encourage people to Do Shit who would otherwise be no more troublesome than your average online malcontent. The agent/informant will, of course, try to get the "perps" to say to hidden microphones that they are acting of their own free will, or even make statements on video, so the defendants can't use entrapment as a defense.
I remember hearing big-name Republican candidates and pundits telling us that there would be a 9/11 ever few months if Obama got elected. Strange how it has seemed to work out.
They were willy enough to believe what he said while campaigning. As far as civil liberties go and the program to do whatever they hell we want to terrorists, he just kept doing what Bush did because once he was in the hotseat and got to look at what was really going on he realized we actually did need to worry a bit.
So yeah, that did turn out better, thanks to Bush laying the groundwork and Obama being rather ineffective and waffling.
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Here's the thing - someone asks you to make phone triggers that you know will be used in bombs to kill troops and other people.
It does not matter how simple it is (and for most people it is not that simple), what matters a lot is intent.
If someone said "can I just borrow your golf clubs for a second, I want to bludgeon someone to death" would you do that? Would you e wholly innocent if you did?
To me that cell phone thing really is worse than the plane bomb which was more just crazy fantasy. A cell phone switch for a bomb is a very real step to aid people who want to kill innocent people.
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So let me get this straight. The FBI finds some useful idiot, gives him money/C4/whatever and coaches him on what to do. They create the problem... Then it makes national news? This is more than absurd. There was little chance of him actually completing this plan, much less actually inflicting any damage. This should haven't even made national news.
But let me state the obvious: This is a PR campaign. It keeps us afraid of the evil alCIAda boogeymen, and further gives the government more excuses to clamp down on us, the slave class.
As someone who has worked on drones for over a decade, I can tell you first hand that these drones could not have carried enough C4 to be anything more than a nuisance. Further, it takes more than buying an R/C plane to be a credible threat. He probably would have crashed, being the patsy hack he was. Oh wait, that's right. He wasn't a threat after all, according to the article.
Ask yourself. Why did this make national news? Did I mention the CIA has a budget for propaganda?
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Right... because a "drone control center" - and you KNOW they will centralize it - wouldn't be just as juicy a target as an airfield?
Err... why do I know that? What is stopping them from decentralizing it?
I don't care if it's 90,000 hectares. That lake was not my doing.
Your Federal Bureuo of Investigation is sheepishly gaming the dumb fucks in Congress and Obama Boy and his superduper dumb fuck staff for FY12$$$$ again.
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Obama Administration Dumb Fuck: I want this Money!
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Obama Administration Dumb Fuck: OTAY .. I wants my Money.
FBI Dumb Fuck 2: Forget Obama Adminstration Dumb Fuck. Bloody bastard's brain is dead.
Obama Administration Dumb Fuck: I wants's my Money'sus!
FBI Dumb Fuck 1: Here's my Glok [hands over glok to FBI dumb fuck 2].. Kill that dumb fucker Obama.
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This story is about how people who work in the terrorism office for the FBI keep their jobs.
*Ahem*
Drone control is already centralized. In Nevada and California. Many of them are fly_by_Sat affairs, and the folks that man the flight control centers can go home at the end of the day and play with their kids. I've seen some news footage of the nice set-ups at "mission control". Biggest issue this brings up is making the whole affair too much like a video game, and killing real people from a nice cozy office thousands of miles from the battle. That, and the fact that these operators aren't getting the benefits that in-the-air combat pilots are getting for flying in a combat zone. Even the Brits are piloting their drones from NV.
Being an RC aircraft guy myself, I hope the utility of having a steady stream of young RC pilots being interested in joining up for miitary service might off-set what this idiot has done in the eyes of the feds when it comes time to evaluate the new rules for RC aircraft.
I think you may have been eluding to a control center being the target of an attack. Not much to worry about there unless the baddies have ICBMs. Some nice info here:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4851765
Here is some video of pilots in action:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZP2AKEqEIU
And an article titled "Point. Click. Kill: Inside The Air Force's Frantic Unmanned Reinvention" :
http://www.popsci.com/drones
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Your not a terrorist if your plot couldn't possibly work. Yea, I know you want to charge them with WANTING to hurt us, but if their plan was actually not dangerous then we can't charge them. Setting cross legged in the center of Grand Central Station, holding a firecracker, and threatening to blow the building to bits with it should be treated as any normal nuisance if it needs be addressed at all. If we want to charge people with aspirational crimes then they can arrest 90% of everyone stuck in rush hour traffic, and should probably revoke the licenses of the rest.
The reason we subjugate ourselves to law is to better procure justice. If law does not accomplish this purpose then it m
See it is time to ban or criminalize all activities but social networking and watching Dancing with the Stars. That will keep our collective brain numb.
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The downside (for those outside the US) is that if the GOP far right takes the nation for the joyride to Hell, you can expect them to send quite a few foreigners ahead to scout it out. You think the Christian Zionists were going to let the previous generation of Neo-cons have all the fun? They'll love the smell of burning Semites in the morning. It'll smell like... Armageddon.
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For those who aren't plugged in, the Free State Movement is an attempt by libertarians to form a voting bloc large enough to be a plurality in (as it finally turned out) New Hampshire. If I were a NH resident, I'd be irked. Since I'm not, I think it's an excellent case study of the laboratory of democracy in action, the beauty of a Federal republic.
If they are a smashing success, they'll be the model for the nation. If they screw up royally, they'll only have taken out a minor state, an easy enough fix, and a warning against the siren song of Ayn Rand, Ron/Rand Paul, etc.
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This guy was defeated by the groundwork done by the FBI in tracking him, contacting him and then catching him red handed while he was planning the operation. Note that this wasn't done while he was driving to the Pentagon or setting up his drone. Terrorist plots need to be defeated at the planning stage, and that requires good old investigation and espionage. Not by groping people at the airport check-in queue.
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and that is why the fbi manufactured the event just at the time that the law requires justification. Hearts and minds, god bless them.
Or did this "credible source" talk bollocks?
And apparently his plan didn't account for the fact that even if his men could get on site with weapons of any significance, they'd be squaring off against a very large security force whose personnel are distinguishable from US Marines primarily by uniform, not weapons, training or capabilities.
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He is quoted as saying the infidel must die for Allah.
The idea is to strike fear into people and nations, not cause significant damage. Running a model plane into a crowded air traffic control tower might kill only a couple people, but it would scare the shit out of a nation. What do all the planes do over LAX with no control tower, for instance?
It's all about fear, and with model planes, the terrorist just keeps going and going, instead of being a 1 off suicide bomber. Unlike the Middle East, life is too comfortable in the West to recruit many suicide bombers.
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Maybe if we weren't killing Muslims in Massachusetts, they wouldn't attack us. They just feel powerless, living impoverished in their 4,000 sq ft mansions, practically uneducated with a degree in physics from Northeastern U. Get the USA out of Massachusetts!
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Scott Adams once had a blog entry describing the best and worst jobs in the world: the best being a drone pilot scarfing down Doritos in the comfort of a command center and the worst being Al Qaeda's #2 in command (obviously written before OBL was killed).
Terrorism is only effective against bed-wetting thumb-suckers.
Just ask any Republican politician.
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Would you really think that the Al Qaeda's would let them in with FBI/CIA to obtain their explosives? I.e.: they would let them be caught so easily? This whole thing was as fabricated as 9/11. Especially the slashdot crowd should understand that there a few noticable things there that do no match up with the official story. Also, there was way too much to gain from the mess at 9/11 so that points to a suspect...
Um.. The FBI was the one selling him the C4 and goading him into this plan. He didn't dream it up on his own - the FBI was "helping" him become a terrorist just so they could charge him.
This is like undercover cops offering you a joint, helping you light it, and then arresting you for possession / consumption.
Fantastic school...pumps out another winner. First Napster (Shawn Fanning), now terrorist plots. All that's left is world domination and perhaps profit?
It seems that this fellow has some serious defects. One can not be a terrorist and be in touch on the net exchanging radical remarks with your buds back in crazy land. If you start chatting with known terrorists and making remarks about building bombs inside the US you sort of attract a whole bunch of attention.
So the guy has a degree in physics which suggests he is bright and yet seems to have some serious mental voids. He can build a huge model airplane or drone as we might want to call this device, acquire explosives, and formulate a plan. Yet he is so deficient as to occupy himself with strange beliefs, have rage against random individuals or organizations and to top it off whacked enough to put it all on the net. Mental defect leaps to mind. This poor guy needs some serious therapy.
Their word will not have to be taken. I'm sure the following quote of his is on tape:
"This is what we have to do. This is the righteous way . . . to terrorize enemies of Allah"
But the plane with the C4 hitting the Pentagon would have triggered an evacuation.
The AK-47s that he got from the FBI were to be used by fellow Muslims he planned to recruit to shoot people as they left the building.
By America's rules, that isn't an act of war though.
Where have you been for the last decade? The executive branch no longer needs a war declared by the legislative branch to suspend a citizen's Constitutional rights. The Constitution was effectively bypassed by the Patriot Act ten fucking years ago.
I'm wondering what would have happened if the supposed "terrorist" had tried to report the planned attach to the FBI. Being that the people he was consorting with were FBI agents how would that have been handled? Also, what if the "terrorist' had practiced some vigilantism as in killed his conspirators because he thought they were actual terrorists .. now he's just killed some FBI agents. I think that would be an interesting case to watch.
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people like you never learn anything and always attempt to blame the government for the failures of criminals. Exactly why is that? Are you so concerned that your own self serving behavior will attract attention of everyone that you feel the need to automatically lash out at everyone, or are you just an asshole?
but as John Wayne Gacy showed us, angry clowns need to be taken care of.
Dunno, but right now there are just a couple of main drone control centers, located in the US (one in Nevada and one in Virginia IIRC). They also have portable control stations that can be moved around in containers, however.
The drone control signals can be (and usually are) relayed through satellites if they're worried about being traced.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
So let me get this straight. The FBI establishes that he is becoming radical. Gets him to buy cellphones as triggers for bombs. Then the FBI gives him 6 AK-47 's after establishing that he wants to help kill people? *Mind Blown by stupidity* How does the FBI get away with this without the agent in charge being charged with "aiding and abetting a terrorist"?
They just want to test their new defense system the taxpayers forked out a trillion dollars for. Its called cocked pistol. But just wait for the rc bug bombs, Thay are working on a defense system that will cost three times the amount. Its working title is "fly Swatter".
The guy was 'defeated' because he wasn't a terrorist at all. He was stupid dupe of the FBI.
...voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."
...... ahem - planning ? planning is not doing. so "Red Handed" is not quite accurate. Especially since all the things he was planning were fomented by who.....? Yes, once again "The FBI"
#1- He was recruited by the FBI so he was working for who....?
The FBI
#2 He received Fake weapons from who......?
The FBI
#3 He received funding from who.....?
The FBI
So - he never had any contact with the what.....?
Terrorists
So this whole thing was a hoax done by who.... ?
The FBI...........
Dear dipsxit I don't know how you missed it, because its required reading in almost every junior high school in america: What the FBI did here, was a rip-off of the plot of the book "1984" , with a twist of lemon.
Now dipsxit, Who said "Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America..... That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship.
Was it Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, or Hermann Goring?
And where is this type of political campaign being practiced today?
If reading is too much of a bother, how about watching "Wag the Dog", or "Brazil", or even the movie, "1984".
He was caught "Red Handed"
I'm sorry I called you a dipshit. You're nothing but a tool. A tool with a dull finish.
Slightly off topic, but you're a dipsxit(sic)
Hiya troll! First of all, always start with an ad hominem. It really bolsters your own argument, doesn't it?
The guy was 'defeated' because he wasn't a terrorist at all. He was stupid dupe of the FBI.
And how did the FBI get to know of his plans in the first place?
Dear dipsxit I don't know how you missed it, because its required reading in almost every junior high school in america
I'm not an American, so sue me.
(Enter more blather about 1984)
Ok, so you wanna compare to 1984? According to O'Brien, Winston Smith had a chance to stick with the Party vs. carry on with Julia and read Emmanuel Goldstein's book. He chose the latter, and we know what happened next. Here's a fellow who given a chance, would actually go and get hold of an RC plane with explosives. It is moot whether the people supplying him were undercover FBI agents or terrorists themselves. He absoFUCKINGlutely knew what he wanted to do, and what the consequences would be. At any stage he could've backed out and refused to go along with it, or even gone to the cops himself. He chose not to.
I'm from India and I utterly loathe the vile politicians who have ruled us over the last 50 years, each more corrupt than the last. I would love to see their heads roll, doesn't mean that if someone hands me a sniper rifle and exhorts me to get rid of them I'll actually go postal on their asses. If I do, then I'm aware of what I'm getting into, and from their point of view, I am a threat BECAUSE I am actually acting on the impulse to kill them.
Consider that if it had been actual terrorists supplying this fellow and the FBI had not known what was going on, he might have actually done some harm. If someone is egging you on to commit a terrorist act, it is upto YOU whether you decide to go along with them, or report them to the authorities.
I'm sorry I called you a dipshit. You're nothing but a tool. A tool with a dull finish.
Take a chill pill and improve your reading comprehension before you go calling people names.
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I don't believe people should be arrested for smoking a bit of weed. I do, however, believe people should be arrested for plotting terrorist attacks on the US.
Now, chances are, if an undercover cop offered me a joint and a light, I'd say "no thanks, I don't smoke". Cause I actually don't.
So, chances are, if you're not a terrorist and an undercover cop offers you some C4 to use in a terrorist plot, you say "no thanks, I'm not a terrorist". Cause you're actually not.
Now if you are a terrorist, frankly I haven't much sympathy for you (whereas I do have sympathy for the guy busted for smoking some pot - not because I think it's unfair to catch them like that, but because I don't think what they're doing should be illegal).
http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/09/recession-induced-homelessness-about-skyrocket
Competition is a waste product of monopoly [patent, copyright and license of the public commons are monopolies created by rule of law].
Economies d/n exist without competition. Economist are silenced as reality prevails. Regulatory, legal and personal ID rules coordinated with media propaganda are used to contain the behaviors of the restless, but often such rules generate responses that leads to martial law and civil unrest.
The silliness postulate states a model airplane toy is a weapons capable object. [So too is a pencil.] Recall WMD "enter Iraq" fear propaganda. The propaganda sells that "objects", develop the intention of a terrorist? See Academy of Model Aeronautics for silliness postulate evaluation.
http://www.facebook.com/modelaviation?sk=photos#!/photo.php?fbid=1562910960377&set=o.70528347733&type=3&theater
What, no post for the old, white guy in Michigan with over 4K lbs. of explosives? Whose plan was "when the government gets taken over, we will be mercenaries".
Slightly off topic, but you're a dipsxit(sic)
Hiya troll! First of all, always start with an ad hominem. It really bolsters your own argument, doesn't it?
Sorry, I thought you were a Fox news zombie-ite. Your total swallowing of the story, hook line and sinker, makes you look no smarter than Rezwan Ferdaus. So I was looking for the right word to describe the level of insipidness you displayed when you said: "This guy was defeated by the groundwork done by the FBI in tracking him, contacting him and then catching him red handed while he was planning the operation."
See let me see if I understand this - You want to give the FBI credit for good work done on "catching a terrorist" when all they did was seduce one socially isolated, depressed, unemployed 26 year kid who still lives with his parents??????
They caught nothing. They created a security theatre event in order to make news.
They would have been smarter to monitor him and see if he went and contacted an actual terrorist group. Then they could have used him for a stalking horse to actually find some real terrorists. Instead they are pretending for the news cameras complete with, yes really, Stage Props! They did a full-on, totally armored up, SWAT team deployed and helicopters overhead "ARREST ZE TERRORISTS!" when they "stormed" the "u-store-it". And they did all that when they KNEW the kid had nothing but stage props that they had supplied him with.
Fake C-4, tricked-up non-functional guns, WooHoo! thing going to be 'sploding now!
To be absolutely clear, the FBI did NOT CATCH A TERRORIST. They fooled a naive, possibly slightly mentally ill kid, into doing the things the FBI needed done in order for them to create a big news event.
How do you know that everything that he did wasn't suggested to him BY THE FBI? Because the odds are that's exactly what happened. Go look at the news reports and you'll see that he was "recruited", they came to him.
Yes, I'm pissed off - The FBI is supposed to work on security. Not making sure their department gets a good place in line at awards time or insuring they get a good chunk of the next budget go-round. They're wasting time, manpower and money that should have been much better used.
The guy was 'defeated' because he wasn't a terrorist at all. He was stupid dupe of the FBI.
And how did the FBI get to know of his plans in the first place?
"The FBI got to know of his plans in the first place" because AFTER they recruited him into their organization, they made it clear to him what he should do next. Its no different than what the Church of Scientology does when it gets a new vic.. err member, or for that matter not much different than what a terrorist recruiting cell does when they convince someone to join their cause. The FBI was giving him plans and/or nudging him in one direction or another and discussing it with him on an ongoing basis. Remember he didn't even bring a camera along when he went scope out the pentagon, so they gave him one to use!... LOL I can see it now. A big white panel van roaming around DC just stuffed full of everything your basic terrorist needs, all dolled out to them by the FBI.
I don't know how you missed it, because its required reading in almost every junior high school in america
I'm not an American, so sue me.
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to insult you that deeply. :-) ( btw , the author's British, the book has been incorporated into the educational curricula of many places around the world, but you're right. I shouldn't have assumed you were from the US. )
Here's a fellow who given a chance, would actually go and get hold of an RC plane with explosives. It is moot whether the people supplying him were undercover FBI agents or terrorists themselves. He absoF