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Actress Sues IMDb For Revealing Her Age

Alain Williams writes "An actress has sued Amazon.com for more than $1m (£639,000) after her age was posted on its Internet Movie Database. She says revealing her age on the site will lose her acting opportunities. From the article: 'The lawsuit states: "If one is perceived to be 'over-the-hill,' i.e., approaching 40, it is nearly impossible for an up-and-coming actress, such as the plaintiff, to get work as she is thought to have less of an 'upside,' therefore, casting directors, producers, directors, agents-manager, etc. do not give her the same opportunities, regardless of her appearance or talent."' So is her career dependent on lies?"

465 comments

  1. Has she been outed yet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Seriously Slashdot, it'd be cool if you outed her.

    1. Re:Has she been outed yet? by elrous0 · · Score: 2

      She's an unknown. If she wasn't, she wouldn't be pulling this pathetic publicity stunt. So you wouldn't recognize her name anyway.

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    2. Re:Has she been outed yet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Could be Smith Cho?

      Someone else suggested this on another site. (i.e. don't try to sue Slashdot / me just because I did a Google search)

    3. Re:Has she been outed yet? by JMJimmy · · Score: 2
    4. Re:Has she been outed yet? by Time_Ngler · · Score: 4, Informative

      Too late... even slashdot can't compete with the gossip junkies in studiously wasting their free time in pointless activities:

      http://theblemish.com/2011/10/actress-suing-imdb-revealed/

      (Yes, I know this makes me look like the kettle calling the pot black...)

    5. Re:Has she been outed yet? by jhoegl · · Score: 1

      I knew it... she is hot!!!

      As long as she isnt a terrible actress, I call shenanigans on not hiring her. But then again many actresses are over 40.

    6. Re:Has she been outed yet? by JMJimmy · · Score: 1

      1) Doesn't have an Anglicized name
      2) Profile goes back further than 2003
      3) Obviously she's getting a lot of work still
      4) Their source is some random person in the comments

    7. Re:Has she been outed yet? by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 2

      I googled that name with "sues amazon" and one of the links had "woman sues sex toy manufacturer for damaged vagina".

    8. Re:Has she been outed yet? by shoehornjob · · Score: 1

      She looks pretty good (or at least her face does per the link above). Certainly she looks to be around early thirty something so why the fuss. Hollywood is all about appearances so she should get by just fine. What's the big f%^king deal? Too much drama in that town.

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    9. Re:Has she been outed yet? by UCFFool · · Score: 1
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    10. Re:Has she been outed yet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was speculation it might be Nicole Bilderback. Lives in Texas, has an American sounding name via adoption, born in South Korea so DOB might be harder to normally locate.

    11. Re:Has she been outed yet? by MrLint · · Score: 2

      "Her scene in "Big Momma's House 2" and "Tropic Thunder" was deleted."

      Sound like its way to late for her to worry about her career being over.

    12. Re:Has she been outed yet? by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      I googled her and there were no nude pictures. I think there's an easier way to boost her career than all this...

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    13. Re:Has she been outed yet? by flaming+error · · Score: 1

      Hollywood is all about appearances... Too much drama in that town.

      Irony of the day award.

    14. Re:Has she been outed yet? by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      I think it's reached the point where she needs to come out as a lesbian, you know, after agonizing over it for weeks. Then she'd at least get a spot on Ellen.

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    15. Re:Has she been outed yet? by _0xd0ad · · Score: 2

      The Internet Archive has a variety of snapshots of her profile page... and sometime between 22 Oct 2007 and 08 Jan 2009, her date of birth changed from 16 Jul 1978 to 16 Jul 1971.

      Her Facebook profile and website's contact page list her permanent residence in LA... but the voicemail number on her contact page has a Houston area code, 713.

    16. Re:Has she been outed yet? by swalve · · Score: 1

      She should be suing the dentist who didn't correct her underbite.

      Good actors and actresses can work forever. The ones who rely on talents other than acting are the ones with limited careers.

    17. Re:Has she been outed yet? by gweihir · · Score: 1

      This way she is now known as a bitch and a problem. I doubt either will increase her popularity.

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    18. Re:Has she been outed yet? by mikael · · Score: 1

      Some companies do have that age-discrimination mentality, "He/she is 40, but looks 25"...

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    19. Re:Has she been outed yet? by Scarletdown · · Score: 1

      I knew it... she is hot!!!

      ORLY?
      http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BODcyMjkyMDYxNV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwOTQ5MTMxMw@@._V1._SX640_SY1035_.jpg
      Yup.

      Her face is pretty, but her body is way too scrawny to do that outfit justice. From the neck down, she looks like a teenage drag queen.

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    20. Re:Has she been outed yet? by jetole · · Score: 1

      I don't know if she looks good. I mean to me she does and sure she's cute but if you look closely at the photo you can see the lines near where the cheeks meet the mouth that says "I'm old". After careful analysis, I wouldn't need to look her up on IMDB to think she looks older then 33 but I can tell she's trying to hide it well.

    21. Re:Has she been outed yet? by qubezz · · Score: 1

      BAI LING.

      Born: October 10, 1966. Her Chinese nationality would have helped hide her true age. According to the article, "The unnamed actress says the website misused her legal date of birth after she signed up to the IMDbPro service in 2008." Her IMDB profile, created in 2003, had her DOB as 1970 until it was changed at the end of 2008, matching the timeline given in the lawsuit.

      Here's a video link showing how she says she is "always 26", clearly not wanting to talk about her age.

      "Plaintiff has experience rejection in the industry for each “40-year-old” role for which she has interviewed because she does not and cannot physically portray the role of a 40-year-old woman,” the lawsuit says. It sounds like the litigant is complaining that she can't get 40 year old roles because she looks too young, and can't get younger roles because she is over 40. Bai Ling is 45.

      bai-ling.org is hosted in Texas. She filmed two movies in Texas. About the only thing that doesn't match up is the "anglicized name", although her name could be a simplified stage name.

    22. Re:Has she been outed yet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hm, that's the 2nd best convincing possibility I'm aware of. Everyone else either never had a DOB listed in IMDb, has publicly stated their true age somewhere at some point, etc.

      Bai Ling. The IMDb DOB change matches up with the timeline. And the website being hosted in TX would fit, except that hardly proves anything since it's done over the internet anyway. The physical host could be anywhere. In fact, the contact info for the domain bai-ling.org is listed in la Rioja, Spain. Although, as you said, not an obviously anglicized name. However, truth be told I don't think she pulls off the youthful look as well as she wishes she could. She looks old. At least old enough that it'd be just as easy for her to pull off a 40-year-old part if she wanted to.

      Junie Hoang. The "-ie" is obviously an anglicization, so that fits well enough. Her birthdate was also changed in IMDb somewhere around the dates known from the lawsuit. Her Facebook and website's contact info list her residence in LA, but her voicemail is in Texas and the contact info for her website's domain, juniehoang.com, is in Ft. Worth, TX. Furthermore, she could have been fibbing a bit when the lawsuit said she lives in Texas, in reality spending most of her time in LA. She's from Texas, anyway, and she probably has someone back home whose address she can use on the papers even though she doesn't really live there anymore. And lastly, I'd say she looks a lot younger than Bai Ling.

      I'd say either has their pros and cons that would or wouldn't support their being the Jane Doe in this lawsuit, but I think Junie Hoang still has my bet.

      I do think it's amusing, though, that the publicity over this seems to be backfiring and hitting numerous actresses who've tried unsuccessfully to hide their real age, not just the one who filed the suit.

  2. Yeah... by grub · · Score: 4, Funny


    That's the same reason I was forced out of pr0n. They couldn't believe the stamina this 45 year old had. Kept breaking the women.

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    1. Re:Yeah... by Surt · · Score: 2

      I think you may have mistaken who you were having sex with. It's the men who have a breakable part ....

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    2. Re:Yeah... by grub · · Score: 3, Funny


      Ah... that explains the lock-jaw and hemorrhoids.

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    3. Re:Yeah... by pspahn · · Score: 1

      You might want to keep an eye on that lady friend of yours. She might be seeking an upgrade.

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    4. Re:Yeah... by NatasRevol · · Score: 2

      Perhaps you need some subluxations to help you with that.

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    5. Re:Yeah... by Genda · · Score: 1

      Oh no! Its easy for a man to break a woman. All he has to do is take off his pants, show her what he's fondly named "Murphy the moisture seeking wonder weasel", only to expose a unit the looks identical to the one found on the Statue of David, and she laughs till she's broken, Duh!

    6. Re:Yeah... by IceNinjaNine · · Score: 1

      You might want to keep an eye on that lady friend of yours. She might be seeking an upgrade.

      It's all about the math. My ex once told me "Just remember, 20 goes into 40 a lot more than 40 goes into 20!" ;)

    7. Re:Yeah... by Genda · · Score: 1

      If your unit is spreading tetanus, I would highly recommend seeing a physician at your earliest convenience!

    8. Re:Yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a grower not a show-er!

    9. Re:Yeah... by TWX · · Score: 3, Insightful

      40 goes into 20 a lot more than 40 goes into 40 as well.

      It's been demonstrated that many men don't have ED problems when dealing with younger women compared to older women. The younger women manage to still allure.

      James Doohan (Scotty from Star Trek) fathered a child at 77. His own dad fathered one at 80.

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    10. Re:Yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well it's not his fault he was supposed to get loins of steel, but since he only had 87.50 they could only fit him with loins of iron.

      And us nerds with the constant sweating, well you know how salt water affects iron :D

    11. Re:Yeah... by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 1

      James Doohan (Scotty from Star Trek) fathered a child at 77. His own dad fathered one at 80.

      ``It's a wise man who knows his own father.'' -- Anon

    12. Re:Yeah... by EETech1 · · Score: 1

      December 29, 2001...
      A day I will never forget!!!
      POP...

  3. Prediction by whoever57 · · Score: 2

    Step 1. Someone figures out who the acress is.
    Step 2. A quick lesson in the "Streisand Effect".

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    1. Re:Prediction by Surt · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The streisand effect could only benefit an unknown who is having trouble breaking into the industry.

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    2. Re:Prediction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Step 1. Someone figures out who the acress is.
      Step 2. A quick lesson in the "Streisand Effect".

      It's Barbara.

    3. Re:Prediction by gman003 · · Score: 1

      From TFA: "The actress - referred to in court documents by the placeholder name Jane Doe - lives in Texas, is of Asian descent and has an Americanised stage name."

      Checking Wikipedia's "List of Asian-Americans" for actresses who are under 40 but nearing it, I can put out a few decent guesses:
      Korinna Moon Bloodgood
      Tia Carrere
      Camille Chen
      Joan Chen
      Karin Anna Cheung
      Yunjin Kim
      Jennie Kwan
      Marie Matiko
      Grace Park
      Linda Park
      Lindsay Price
      Chuti Tiu
      Helen Wong

      Hope someone else can do some more in-depth checking.

    4. Re:Prediction by farnsworth · · Score: 2

      Step 1. Someone figures out who the acress is. Step 2. A quick lesson in the "Streisand Effect".

      Perhaps she was warned about the "Streisand Effect", and thought to herself, "an actress who continued working successfully well after her 40s? Sounds good to me!"

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    5. Re:Prediction by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 1

      Your next steps in narrowing it down are:

      1: Who on the list looks much younger than 40?
      2: Who lives in Texas?
      3: Who is only mildly successful (rules out Tia)?
      4: Who didn't have their age posted until recently?

      Number 4 might be deduced by checking for recent updates to their page in Wikipedia, which might not have had their age included until it was discovered on IMDB.

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    6. Re:Prediction by Beorytis · · Score: 1

      The streisand effect could only benefit an unknown

      From TFA: "...up-and-coming actress, such as the plaintiff..."

    7. Re:Prediction by meloneg · · Score: 1

      Or even Barbra?

    8. Re:Prediction by wanted · · Score: 1

      I, on the other hand, started checking this list:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_from_Texas#Film.2Ftheater.2Ftelevision
      and the only one matching ideally the description is this actress:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicole_Bilderback

      Let the suing begin :)

    9. Re:Prediction by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      I vote for Grace Park. The only problem is she doesn't have an Americanised stage name, so she can't be it. But she fits. Looks 20, but is almost 40. Didn't "break out" until BSG, so is up and coming (living on TV, wanting into movies, likely). Oh, and I think she's atttractive, so I vote for her for everything. Maggie Q could also be on the above list, but again, not Americanised name.

    10. Re:Prediction by snowgirl · · Score: 1

      And Wikipedia has had Nicole Bilderback's birthday since the article first began on the 31st of January, 2005....

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    11. Re:Prediction by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Up-and-coming actress" is Hollywood-speak for "waitress."

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    12. Re:Prediction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lucy Liu?

    13. Re:Prediction by wanted · · Score: 1

      I know, also IMDb had this date displayed since at least 2003:
      http://web.archive.org/web/20031002200936/http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0082169/

      So maybe it's not her, I don't know.

    14. Re:Prediction by smitty97 · · Score: 1

      "Grace" is not Americanised from "Jee Un"??

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    15. Re:Prediction by _0xd0ad · · Score: 1

      According to The Korea Herald, her IMDb profile has been available since 2003, she was "unknown" at that time, and she subscribed to IMDbPro in 2008, "shortly after" which her DOB was posted on her IMDb public profile. And she apparently thinks they discovered it by doing public record searches using the CC information she provided when she signed up. I have no idea how she thinks her CC information would be useful to someone searching for her age, though.

    16. Re:Prediction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, also you need someone whose exact age hasn't been known for a time.

    17. Re:Prediction by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      I just looked at IMDB which didn't note a different birth name, so I mistakenly assumed there wasn't one.

    18. Re:Prediction by blair1q · · Score: 1

      Not if publicity about her age causes more producers to know her age and drop her resume' from the pile.

    19. Re:Prediction by blair1q · · Score: 1

      No need. She's fighting the wrong battle. It's easier for a 40-year-old woman to get consistent work in film than any asian. Other than James Hong, of course, who's in everything. He's probably the voice you're reading this website in your head in.

    20. Re:Prediction by BitZtream · · Score: 0

      I vote for Grace Park. The only problem is she doesn't have an Americanised stage name

      Grace Park isn't Americanised? Seriously?

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    21. Re:Prediction by hesiod · · Score: 1

      Her birthdate has been on Wikipedia for at least a year.

    22. Re:Prediction by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      "Grace" is not Americanised from "Jee Un"??

      Park is, for all practical purposes, solely a Korean family name.

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    23. Re:Prediction by hrimhari · · Score: 1

      Neither is Maggie Q? I can't tell if he is or isn't American himself :)

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    24. Re:Prediction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nicole Bilderback - reddit figured this out yesterday.

    25. Re:Prediction by Surt · · Score: 1

      Exactly, an unknown, up-and-coming actress.

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    26. Re:Prediction by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Tila Tequila

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    27. Re:Prediction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tia Carrere? You mean Asia Carrera? B)

    28. Re:Prediction by gman003 · · Score: 1

      There's not much money in suing Wikipedia.

    29. Re:Prediction by JustNilt · · Score: 1

      I'd presume she gave her legal name as part of the CC transaction, which allowed them to then to a public records search for her DoB. That'd likely be the theory, anyhow. Personally, I'd be shocked if they didn't require her to provide a legal name instead of a stage name anyhow; how else can a contract for ToS be valid?

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    30. Re:Prediction by sconeu · · Score: 1

      She has got to be the hottest 37 year old actress I have ever seen.

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    31. Re:Prediction by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 1

      She has got to be the hottest 37 year old actress I have ever seen.

      I saw her in person on the street a few times here in Vancouver while she was filming BSG. She's even more stunning in person. I swear I nearly walked into a lamp post. Twice.

    32. Re:Prediction by _0xd0ad · · Score: 1

      Yeah; I'm surprised she got away with it for this long anyway - how does she even get hired under a fake name? What the heck?

    33. Re:Prediction by hawk · · Score: 1

      >. I swear I nearly walked into a lamp post. Twice.

      damned TiVo . . .

      hawk

    34. Re:Prediction by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Sorry, mod points just gone, but here is a symbolic "+2 Funny and Insightful"!

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    35. Re:Prediction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They said "Americanized" not "Mexicanized." :)

    36. Re:Prediction by TClevenger · · Score: 1

      I am now, damn you!

    37. Re:Prediction by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      I'd be shocked if they didn't require her to provide a legal name instead of a stage name anyhow; how else can a contract for ToS be valid?

      If it is a name you commonly use then it's not an impediment, the intention of the contract is still quite clear.

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    38. Re:Prediction by julesh · · Score: 1

      "Grace" is not Americanised from "Jee Un"??

      Park is, for all practical purposes, solely a Korean family name.

      Really?

    39. Re:Prediction by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      Really.

      That link you provided says nothing about frequency.
      I'm pretty sure that the 6.2 million Koreans named Park dwarfs the number of anglo Parks by practically two orders of magnitude.

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    40. Re:Prediction by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Most of those have Asian sounding names still. Or doesn't "Americanised" refer to both forename and surname?

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    41. Re:Prediction by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      "Grace" is not Americanised from "Jee Un"??

      Park is, for all practical purposes, solely a Korean family name.

      Park is also a common English word. It is certainly not solely a Korean family name. If I saw someone's name listed as "Edward Park" or "Sarah Park" I wouldn't assume they were Korean.

      Incidentally, the whole thing of Americanising/Anglicizing your name seems a bit pointless if you look Asian anyway. When it was people with obviously Jewish sounding names you can see the point, as anti-semites can't really identify someone as Jewish from their appearance.

      But as soon as you look at the photo on someone's resume you'll know if they're Asian, black or whatever.

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    42. Re:Prediction by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I saw her in person on the street a few times here in Vancouver while she was filming BSG.

      You misspelled "stalked".

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    43. Re:Prediction by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      Incidentally, the whole thing of Americanising/Anglicizing your name seems a bit pointless if you look Asian anyway. When it was people with obviously Jewish sounding names you can see the point, as anti-semites can't really identify someone as Jewish from their appearance.

      Non-westerners don't anglicise their names to avoid discrimination. at least not directly, they do it to improve communication. When someone gets stuck trying to figure out how to say your name, it distracts from the business at hand. After the hundredth time it gets really old too.

      If I saw someone's name listed as "Edward Park" or "Sarah Park" I wouldn't assume they were Korean.

      2 to 1 odds of being Korean if you limit it to the US population alone.
      Closer to 80 to 1 if you look at the world population.

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    44. Re:Prediction by fatphil · · Score: 1

      "Solely" does not mean what you apparently think it means. It does not mean "mostly", or even "almost entirely".

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    45. Re:Prediction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, but "for all practical purposes" does.

    46. Re:Prediction by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      No, but "for all practical purposes" does.

      Thanks AC dude. It's kinda funny how the vocab nazis will get all hyper-focused on the definition of one word and while completely ignoring the definitions of all the other words in the very same sentence.

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  4. The name of the actress is..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maggie Q?

    1. Re:The name of the actress is..... by jhoegl · · Score: 1

      From other sources, (last nights local news I believe), she is of Asian heritage and lives in Texas.... so maybe.

    2. Re:The name of the actress is..... by RandyMoore · · Score: 1

      Nope, not Maggie. Maybe Asia Carrera :-)

    3. Re:The name of the actress is..... by kanto · · Score: 1

      Maggie Q?

      According to imdb Maggie Q was born in 1979; happens to be the year I was born in and my age is no where near 40. Calling withholding her age a lie is a bit harsh, especially when whoever she is works in a profession where perception is everything.

    4. Re:The name of the actress is..... by drobety · · Score: 1

      Not Asia Carrera, too smart.

    5. Re:The name of the actress is..... by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      especially when whoever she is works in a profession where perception is everything.

      Isn't that the case with most professions? As long as you can preserve the perception that YOU aren't the screw-up | problem | at fault, you can lever that perception into a series of promotions over you co-workers dead bodies.

      Then jump to another company and lather, rinse, repeat ...

      The existence of the Peter Principle would argue in favour of this.

    6. Re:The name of the actress is..... by snowgirl · · Score: 1

      Nope, not Maggie. Maybe Asia Carrera :-)

      Looked at her Wikipedia page, she posts her own birthday on her own website. So, not her.

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    7. Re:The name of the actress is..... by kanto · · Score: 1

      especially when whoever she is works in a profession where perception is everything.

      Isn't that the case with most professions? As long as you can preserve the perception that YOU aren't the screw-up | problem | at fault, you can lever that perception into a series of promotions over you co-workers dead bodies.

      But the difference is that in this particular case you are the screw-up | problem | at fault if you're nearing 40, perception over and out.

  5. Based on Lies by Psychotic_Wrath · · Score: 1

    I don't think it is based on Lies just not revealing information. In a normal interview it is illegal to ask an applicant's age. The movie industry is probably different, but I would imagine that asking somebody's age during an audition would also be Illegal.

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    1. Re:Based on Lies by Fned · · Score: 1

      In a normal interview it is illegal to ask an applicant's age.

      Exactly, which is why the preconception of the applicant's age is so important, and why old-looking people have a hard time getting jobs.

      Especially so for women in the entertainment industry.

      So, putting an actress's true age up on the internet is kind of like stamping her real age on her forehead -- no matter what she does in the audition, the casting agent will have a preconception about how old she is.

    2. Re:Based on Lies by Aighearach · · Score: 2

      Normally in the US the record of your name and time and place of birth are facts available in public records. You're not allowed to discriminate in hiring based on age unless there is a legit reason. For example, a young actor might legally be denied a role playing an elderly character without any violation of hiring law.

      Actually when you're hiring somebody you're required to collect basic information to identify them and determine that they are eligible to work, and that information must include their birth date. So rather than being illegal, as you suggest, it is in fact legally required that you ask. Although that is usually done in the written part of the process.

    3. Re:Based on Lies by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      Actually, it is NOT illegal to ask an applicant's age in any way. What is illegal is using an applicants age to deny them employment. The reason most people avoid the question is to make sure you dont leave an opening for someone to sue you.

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    4. Re:Based on Lies by bjwest · · Score: 1

      In a normal interview it is illegal to ask an applicant's age.

      This may be so, but most interviews come after filling out some kind of application which usually ask for date of birth. Is it illegal to do math preinterview?

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    5. Re:Based on Lies by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      it is illegal to ask an applicant's age.

      But not their date of birth. Age verification is in fact a requirement in America. Typically however, its not an issue for anyone except young kids getting their first jobs, after that its generally clear you're old enough so it gets overlooked, but most HR departments now days even want copies of drivers licenses ... which of course gives away your age.

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    6. Re:Based on Lies by toriver · · Score: 1

      In a normal interview it is illegal to ask an applicant's age

      So in a job where you need to be 18, they should only hire people who are well over the age limit to avoid risking hiring a minor?

    7. Re:Based on Lies by geekoid · · Score: 1

      I would argue that they all need to start announcing their age. The more they hide it and try to look young, the worse the situation gets.

      OTOH, since we have the internet, I'll take ugly person who can act over attractive and can't act.
      In the olden days, and actor who was hot could be forgive, because where else are we going to see that? Now? please.

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    8. Re:Based on Lies by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

      And who says they can't be hot as hell? There is a reason that we have the word MILF in our vocabulary folks, that is because a confident woman that knows her way around the bedroom and takes care of herself can be every bit as hot as the bambi bimbette. Personally having tried both? Give me the MILF as bambi tends to be fiddly and fumbly and not really comfortable or knowing what to do, whereas the MILF will ride your ass like a rollercoaster.

      sure bambi might score you a little more status when you walk into a room, but when it all gets down to brass tacks? The MILF will know every trick in the book and will make sure you and she both have a damned good time.

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    9. Re:Based on Lies by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      But not their date of birth. Age verification is in fact a requirement in America. Typically however, its not an issue for anyone except young kids getting their first jobs...

      Wrong.

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    10. Re:Based on Lies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > the MILF will ride your ass ...unpleasant mental imagery involving strap-ons...

    11. Re:Based on Lies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So if Macdonalds hired all their staff as "actors" who perform in their "fat people factories" they can discriminate? Hmm

      Actually when you're hiring somebody you're required to collect basic information to identify them and determine that they are eligible to work, and that information must include their birth date. So rather than being illegal, as you suggest, it is in fact legally required that you ask. Although that is usually done in the written part of the process.

      Surely that information is only needed once you're actually hiring them.

    12. Re:Based on Lies by _0xd0ad · · Score: 1

      http://www.referenceforbusiness.com/management/De-Ele/Discrimination.html:

      Case 4: A male boss fired his female secretary because he thought she was too ugly, and replaced her with a woman who, in his opinion, was much prettier. ... Is the employer guilty of sex discrimination? The answer is no if the bias displayed by the boss was directed at appearance, not sex. Appearance is not a protected classification. The answer is yes if the appearance standard were being applied only to women; that is, the company fired women but not men on the basis of their looks.

    13. Re:Based on Lies by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Rather than having a magically worded rule that ensures it can't be misapplied by employers, instead a case such as the one you describe has to be addressed through the courts, and the business creates substantial additional liability for themselves by being blatantly deceitful.

  6. I'm gonna sue by Dunbal · · Score: 4, Funny

    Well I wasn't going to hire her because she's getting old, but now that I have seen the ease with which she sues people, she's on the top of my list!

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    1. Re:I'm gonna sue by SleazyRidr · · Score: 1

      If she wins the million bucks she won't care.

    2. Re:I'm gonna sue by Dunbal · · Score: 2

      She won't get a million dollars because the lawyers will want to be paid. And assuming she manages to collect and survive a counter-suit, she's going to find out exactly how little a million dollars (or whatever is left in her pocket) actually is. Certainly not enough to retire on at age 40.

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    3. Re:I'm gonna sue by Surt · · Score: 1

      That makes a not-necessarily valid assumption that she can or will do nothing else but act. I'd love to have a half million in the bank at 40 and embark on a second career.

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    4. Re:I'm gonna sue by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Start: a million
      Lawyers: 250K -
      Taxes: 450K
      Remainder 300K

      I reputation no one wants to touch: 0

      Of course, it will be shot down, so she gets no money and all the benefit of a sue happy reputation.

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    5. Re:I'm gonna sue by IrquiM · · Score: 1

      And even if she did, $1 million won't last you long....

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    6. Re:I'm gonna sue by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      > ...a sue happy reputation.

      So how will that make her different from anyone else in Hollywood?

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    7. Re:I'm gonna sue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to retire, but if that $1 million is pre-tax, I could live on it for 35 years without changing a single spending habit.

    8. Re:I'm gonna sue by julesh · · Score: 1

      Depends how sensible you are. $1M invested well could yield $50K per annum interest, which will likely be more than enough to live on for the foreseeable future if you have low expenses.

    9. Re:I'm gonna sue by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      And even if she did, $1 million won't last you long....

      Oh, fuck off, one million dollars is a lot of years income as a waitress/"resting" actor.

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    10. Re:I'm gonna sue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      she's going to find out exactly how little a million dollars (or whatever is left in her pocket) actually is. Certainly not enough to retire on at age 40.

      Actually, unless you've got some ridiculous standard of living, 7 figures is plenty to get by on. If you plan to live forever it won't be as comfortable, but if you're only planning on living to around 90 or 100, then it actually makes for a decent quality of life. Certainly it will be higher than the 'fixed income' retirees that I know.

    11. Re:I'm gonna sue by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      Not only gets no money, but the lawyers will still want to get paid...

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    12. Re:I'm gonna sue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not enough to retire and live like a millionaire, but with some safe investing she could live on it for the rest of her life. I'm sure she wants the good life, but there are a lot of people that do just fine on less than 30k a year...

    13. Re:I'm gonna sue by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      exactly how little a million dollars (or whatever is left in her pocket) actually is. Certainly not enough to retire on at age 40.

      If I had a million dollars at age 18 I could damn near retire (it would be rough, I'm not that good). If I had 2 million dollars and paid taxes on it, leaving about 1.4 million, I COULD RETIRE. I'd at least make it until age 70, then my conservative projections run out of funds.

      My conservative projections are turning out incorrect, as it seems I can break 9% in a week if I don't make any faults, and certainly can crack 10% in a month by a wide margin even at my I've-been-doing-this-for-a-week-and-a-half level. More conservative play would get me 25% gain per year easily (within "statistically guaranteed" probability).

      The age 70 projection was based on long-term CDs and IRAs that paid 2%-5%, which itself is an investment risk game as you try desperately to track the bond market and get in when it's peaking (it's just like trading stocks, really).

      My expenses are mild. I live alone in an apartment. Two large rooms with closets (bedrooms, but it's called a 1 bedroom), a non-dining-room kitchen, and a bathroom. I also rent a garage for storage. I live in fair luxury on good food, good beer, good wine (at $30/bottle or so), good beer (between $20/5gal and $12/bottle, depending on whether I'm interested in a British pub ale or a Belgian with the seal of the Catholic church on it), good furniture, a $1700 bicycle (with several hundred dollars of upgrades and biking clothes/equipment) and a car with an upgraded engine, leather seats, stick shift, sun roof, upgraded radio, sports suspension, GPS built in ... fully loaded. On about $1500/mo, but once I nuke my car loan it'll be close to $1200/mo.

      Life of luxury, man. I have all the good stuff, lots of expensive stuff I've gathered over the years, lots of cheap stuff that just is near the absolute top end ... you know. I'm a wealth builder, and gargantuan houses and boats and fleets of sports cars are not wealth--the expense and the stress of managing all that shit is a huge tax and precludes living in comfort.

    14. Re:I'm gonna sue by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      I can make $1 million vanish very quickly. I can also retire now and still have funds when I'm 70, easily. It's both a lot and very little money: you won't last long if you buy a house and sports cars and a private jet.

    15. Re:I'm gonna sue by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      Taxes are only payable on certain kinds of lawsuit awards. I do not think this is one of them.

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  7. So... by aurb · · Score: 2

    how old is she? No, wait, don't post here, or we'll get Slashdot sued!

    1. Re:So... by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 2

      Only if we figure who she is, but if we link to the IMDb page we will be fine in Canada.

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  8. I know who it is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    39-year-old Barbara Streisand.

  9. "So is her career dependent on lies?" by xmark · · Score: 1

    Given that acting involves portraying emotions and actions that are by definition not real, I would say yes.

    Addressing the larger point, it's hard to argue against wanting to maintain control over one's personal information. Very hard.

    1. Re:"So is her career dependent on lies?" by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 1

      Except when you put it out in a public webpage?

    2. Re:"So is her career dependent on lies?" by Servaas · · Score: 1

      Addressing the larger point, it's hard to argue against wanting to maintain control over one's personal information. Very hard.

      Having your age revealed is the least you'll be giving up if you want to become famous. If your selling your face you shouldn't get upset when people want to know it like they own it. It's like saying it be wonderful to be a soldier except for when your in war. It sucks, but it comes with the job. I would love it if everyone could do what they wanted without repercussions but perhaps thankfully life isn't like that.

    3. Re:"So is her career dependent on lies?" by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      it's hard to argue against wanting to maintain control over one's personal information. Very hard

      How can you make a blanket statement like that? Different situations have different standards. If you choose to be in the public eye, you should have pretty much no expectation of privacy. Being an actress is like being a politician - if you can't handle people knowing something as trivial as your age, being a public figure might not be the occupation for you.

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    4. Re:"So is her career dependent on lies?" by l0ungeb0y · · Score: 2

      FYI, it's against US Employment law to ask any applicant any age related question other than to verify they are 18 or over. Since an actor is essentially a Contractor and not an employee, they are hired on the merits of their qualifications -- once again age has nothing to do with it, only their appearance and ability to do the work.

      So please, feel free to elaborate how the act of not disclosing her age to the public at large is "lying"

    5. Re:"So is her career dependent on lies?" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure what the situation is here, having never signed up for IMDbPro, but if a website asks for your birthdate to verify that members are over 18 or something, I would not expect them to post that information publicly.

    6. Re:"So is her career dependent on lies?" by vlm · · Score: 1

      FYI, it's against US Employment law to ask any applicant any age related question other than to verify they are 18 or over.

      LOL that's hilarious. One place I worked was crazy enough to demand a high school transcript (WTF?). Take a wild guess how old I am if its documented that I graduated HS in '92.

      "You can't ask" officially but how hard is it to look at their employment record?

      Also many/most places demand a credit record check chock full of age related info. Lets see, I've been paying a phone bill (even if in a dorm) since fall of '92... I got a checking account in 92 the week after it was legally possible for me to open one. I wonder how old I might be? Yeah, I might have gone to university and lived in the dorms when I was 12, or 48. But I was almost certainly 18 in '92.

      One resume has 40 years of experience listed, one has 20 years of experience listed, one has zero experience listed. I wonder how old they are?

      Besides with ageism entrenched, all you need do is only hire applicants with precisely 5 years of experience listed. Got 6 years of experience? over the hill, bye bye. Got 4 years of experience? Come back next year, mm kay?

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    7. Re:"So is her career dependent on lies?" by DriedClexler · · Score: 1

      Since an actor is essentially a Contractor and not an employee, they are hired on the merits of their qualifications

      So what exactly stops all the other employers out there from just classifying their employees as "contractors" and thereby ignore the entire labyrinthine system of employment law?

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    8. Re:"So is her career dependent on lies?" by honkycat · · Score: 1

      There are specific rules and laws (which vary by state to some degree, I believe) that regulate whether a relationship is an employer/employee relationship or not. In general, the more tightly controlled a worker's schedule is and the less freedom to direct his/her own tasks, the harder it will be to call it a contractor relationship. It can be tricky in some cases, but by and large it'd be difficult to get away with that. If you're required to report to work at 9am and do what your boss tells you when and how he tells you to do it, you probably can't be classified as a contractor.

    9. Re:"So is her career dependent on lies?" by vlm · · Score: 1

      The flippant answer is the IRS, who take an extremely dim view of that kind of activity.

      The practical answer is the corporations don't want it, and since the corporations own the government (not us, thats for sure) what they say, goes.

      The long answer for why all of the above is the case, is that everything that can be outsourced or contracted out, has been, including some stuff that probably shouldn't have been. Theoretically, any employee jobs left would involve conflicts of interest if you also contracted at a competitor... Sometimes there is massive flipflopping, should our front line customer service people work for us, or us and competitors, or move back to just us, or ...

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    10. Re:"So is her career dependent on lies?" by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      I would love it if everyone could do what they wanted without repercussions but perhaps thankfully life isn't like that.

      Well which is it, would you love it or are you thankful it isn't true?

      At least make it to the next sentence before you flip-flop.

    11. Re:"So is her career dependent on lies?" by vlm · · Score: 1

      Its actually worse. If the IRS or whoever figures out that your "contractor" only has one account, and that single contract duration is "around as long as a normal employee relationship", they can force you to change their status to employee and you're now liable for income tax withholding, and everything else that goes with employee law vs merely contractor law.

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    12. Re:"So is her career dependent on lies?" by meloneg · · Score: 1

      The fact that part of that labyrinth is very strict guidelines of what is a contractor and what is an employee*.

      * Note I *have* gone through the process of having the IRS look into this and insist that a (former) employer re-classify me as an employee and therefore become responsible for a large chunk of the taxes.

    13. Re:"So is her career dependent on lies?" by davidbrit2 · · Score: 1

      Because, as we all know, Hollywood is the paragon of ethical hiring.

    14. Re:"So is her career dependent on lies?" by sjbe · · Score: 1

      FYI, it's against US Employment law to ask any applicant any age related question other than to verify they are 18 or over.

      Actually that's not quite true. There are questions which an employer should not ask because they create the actionable legal perception of having discriminated against a protected category of people. However there usually are simple ways to get the same information with perfectly acceptable questions. Furthermore it is perfectly legal to conduct a background examination of a job applicant in most cases and while you may not ask about their exact age, you can usually come up with a reasonably accurate guess without landing in legal hot water.

      Since an actor is essentially a Contractor and not an employee, they are hired on the merits of their qualifications -- once again age has nothing to do with it, only their appearance and ability to do the work.

      Problem is that their age may have a meaningful effect on their appearance and ability to do the work. You aren't going to hire a 40 year old to play to the part of a teenager unless they are some sort of genetic freak of nature. There exists case law supporting that for some jobs appearance does matter. When it is a "bona-fide occupational qualification", it is often legal to discriminate. A maker of women's makeup is going to be allowed to discriminate against men when hiring models for their products.

      So please, feel free to elaborate how the act of not disclosing her age to the public at large is "lying"

      Let's see, you could easily make the argument that it is a lie by omission, a lie in trade, bluffing, puffery or even a white lie. It might be acceptable behavior for her to not reveal her actual age but that makes it no less of a lie.

    15. Re:"So is her career dependent on lies?" by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      You can as an actor because it's a fixed-term. You will be "fired" at the end of the project, no matter what. So it will remain a contract, even if you have set hours and tight management for that time. But the support people for Microsoft hired for indefinite periods as contractors and treated *exactly* the same as the employees sitting next to them were determined to be employees, despite a piece of paper both signed stating otherwise.

    16. Re:"So is her career dependent on lies?" by Servaas · · Score: 1

      The very fact that you are asking which one it is negates your second sentence (can't call it flip-flop if I have flipped but not yet flopped) so let's call it even for wasting bandwidth.

    17. Re:"So is her career dependent on lies?" by danbert8 · · Score: 1

      Nevermind the fact that they usually ask for your birth certificate, drivers license, and/or passport to verify your identity and citizenship...

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    18. Re:"So is her career dependent on lies?" by JimBobJoe · · Score: 1

      Other documents are accepted for proving identity for this purpose. I use my voter registration card and social security card, so I never have to reveal my age.

    19. Re:"So is her career dependent on lies?" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FYI, it's against US Employment law to ask any applicant any age related question other than to verify they are 18 or over.

      On the other hand, US Employment law permits (and anti-immigration measures in some states require) employers to ask applicants for their Date Of Birth as part of the information submitted to verify they are eligible to work in the U.S.

      Maybe you don't know US Employment law as well as you think you do?

    20. Re:"So is her career dependent on lies?" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If your selling

      Apparently, you've given up your apostrophes.

    21. Re:"So is her career dependent on lies?" by _0xd0ad · · Score: 1

      Maybe he couldn't afford to buy a vowel.

    22. Re:"So is her career dependent on lies?" by Eskarel · · Score: 1

      I think the OP means that like a lot of things that seem perfect they probably wouldn't be. As a specific example of how that might be the case, what if "what you want to do" is brutally murder people. Doing that without repercussions would be less than ideal for everyone else.

    23. Re:"So is her career dependent on lies?" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FYI, it's against US Employment law to ask any applicant any age related question other than to verify they are 18 or over.

      Unless age has some bearing upon the job to be performed, that is. Our laws aren't totally jacked up.

      So please, feel free to elaborate how the act of not disclosing her age to the public at large is "lying"

      Well, it already was disclosed when the fact she was born and the date of her birth was entered into the public record.
      As for "lying", I think the parent was simply pointing out that acting by definition uses Deception.

      If she's claiming discrimination, then she can sue whoever discriminated against her. Suing because someone else might, possibly, maybe, in the future discriminate makes no sense at all.

    24. Re:"So is her career dependent on lies?" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've held approx 10 jobs within the EU over the last 12 years that I've worked (had a few in 1 year when i was 16) and I've applied for 4 times that number - yet I've never even heard credit reports mentioned by any prospective employer, let alone been asked for one.

      To answer another poster below this one - I've only once been asked for ID beyond my National Insurance number (all citizens get given one at working age) and that was for a job that required a minimal security clearance.

      Even asking for a minimum number of years experience can technically be breaking the age discrimination rules and so isn't done by most reputable firms - and given that it looks to be part of the anti-discrimination law soon, none will be able to do it.

      You Americans really need to get your labour laws in order - no wonder you think it's normal to be treated like shit by corporations... you have been ever since you started working.

    25. Re:"So is her career dependent on lies?" by honkycat · · Score: 1

      I don't know that I'd call that "worse," since the purpose is to protect/provide for the employee. As I understand it, the goal is to ensure that employees are taken care of, but to recognize that in cases of legitimate contractor relationships it would be inappropriate to burden the client with those costs. The kind of contract you're describing doesn't sound generally legitimate to me.

    26. Re:"So is her career dependent on lies?" by honkycat · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I think the entertainment industry and the high-tech industry are two areas where the rules can get weird. Microsoft's case was pretty clear-cut abuse of the system, though.

    27. Re:"So is her career dependent on lies?" by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      When it is a "bona-fide occupational qualification", it is often legal to discriminate.

      So wait, I could refuse to hire anyone black (except one person) for the cast of Othello? Or really, anyone black at all if I want an Asian guy with full East Asian customs shoved into, say, Russia ...

  10. Jane Doe, meet Barbra Streisand by MetalliQaZ · · Score: 1

    I think she just guaranteed that a piece of data that nobody looked at is about to be scrutinized by many. Her 'Jane Doe' status can't last for long...

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    1. Re:Jane Doe, meet Barbra Streisand by Necroman · · Score: 1

      While most of us would never look at it, per potential employers are much more likely to look at it. I'm sure if I was hiring and actor/actress, I would use IMDB to see what info I could find on them.

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    2. Re:Jane Doe, meet Barbra Streisand by vlm · · Score: 1

      While most of us would never look at it, per potential employers are much more likely to look at it. I'm sure if I was hiring and actor/actress, I would use IMDB to see what info I could find on them.

      That's the mysterious part. If I was hiring an actress or a booth babe or model, they're just objects, so the numbers I'm interested in are almost certainly NOT date of birth. I'm probably not trying to hire on wisdom or lack there of. The writers, yeah maybe.

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    3. Re:Jane Doe, meet Barbra Streisand by pspahn · · Score: 1

      so the numbers I'm interested in are almost certainly NOT date of birth.

      Really? Women get acting gigs because they are

      • Good at acting
      • Sexy
      • Young
      • And not necessarily in that order. Ellen Burstyn still gets gigs and she's neither sexy (beholder, I know) nor young, but for an upcomer, having looks and age in your favor is certainly a edge over the competition.

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    4. Re:Jane Doe, meet Barbra Streisand by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Sounds like a job for the fucking superheroes at Anonymous., although she's probably outside the age range of women they are interested in (i.e. she's over 16).

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    5. Re:Jane Doe, meet Barbra Streisand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You misspelled "6".

      inb4 "6? too old".

  11. So who is she? by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

    From the article she won't provide a name but she is from Texas, of Asian descent, has an Americanized name, and is approaching 40. Any ideas?

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    1. Re:So who is she? by Kittenman · · Score: 5, Funny

      Approaching 40 .. from what side?

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    2. Re:So who is she? by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      Grace Park is the right age, etc., but lives in Vancouver, BC.

    3. Re:So who is she? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless she's aging backwards then there's only one direction she can approach 40 from.

    4. Re:So who is she? by Fned · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure any age can only be approached from one side.

    5. Re:So who is she? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not sure I buy 37 years old to be "approaching 40". And yeah, there's that whole Texas thing.

      If she's an up and coming actress, we might not have heard of her...

    6. Re:So who is she? by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      I thought the same thing and probably did the same searches you did so I like almost everyone is still wondering who.

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    7. Re:So who is she? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget, the best direction to approach a six-year-old is from behind, where she can't see the duct tape you're holding. ;)

    8. Re:So who is she? by Beorytis · · Score: 1

      I think he meant that she's probably really over 40 but not admitting it.

    9. Re:So who is she? by Beorytis · · Score: 1

      From TFA, she also considers herself to be "up and coming", i.e. not well known yet.

    10. Re:So who is she? by citab · · Score: 1

      who cares her age... Boomer is fracken beautiful!

    11. Re:So who is she? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Asia Carrera

    12. Re:So who is she? by snowgirl · · Score: 1

      If she's an up and coming actress, we might not have heard of her...

      But if she has an IMDB page, then she has to have been in at least a few things...

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    13. Re:So who is she? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would it have to be only from one side? Take some math classes.

    14. Re:So who is she? by vlm · · Score: 1
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    15. Re:So who is she? by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 1

      Born in Los Angeles.

    16. Re:So who is she? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Moon Bloodgood's profile on IMDB is approaching 40 but doesn't say she lives in Texas. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1291227/

    17. Re:So who is she? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, but there's "Co-star of latest Brad Pitt movie" level, and then there's "Was dead body on NCIS S7E23, cleared co-worker suspect in CSI:Detroit S23E4, miscellaneous nurse #7 in House S5E31" level etc.

    18. Re:So who is she? by blair1q · · Score: 1

      From the only side from which it can be approached.

      Unless she's made of neutrinos or something.

    19. Re:So who is she? by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      But if she has an IMDB page, then she has to have been in at least a few things...

      Yes, but people have IMDB pages from a 15-second non-speaking part in an indie film. Grace Park - while certainly not really an A-list superstar - has already had a regular recurring role in at least 2 different TV series. That's beyond up and coming and is basically a successful career in acting.

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    20. Re:So who is she? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Moon Bloodgood (who is absolutely beautiful) is 36, of Asian descent, born in Anaheim, CA but not sure if she is living in TX now

    21. Re:So who is she? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Useless pedantry.

      Yes, a line or an equation doesn't really have a direction. Age, on the other hand, comes with some semantics. Maybe you should take some classes OUTSIDE of math so you can learn some useful applications.

    22. Re:So who is she? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      I thought he was talking about bust size.

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    23. Re:So who is she? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually Grace Park has publicly (a) commented on her age - http://www.tv.com/grace-park-blog/the-confusion-over-grace-parks-real-birthday/topic/83722-645911/show_blog_entry.html&topic_id=645911 (b) doesn't have a difficult to pronounce non-stage name, and (c) is still appearing in the right hot 100 polls, so is an unlikely candidate.

    24. Re:So who is she? by snowgirl · · Score: 1

      Yes, but people have IMDB pages from a 15-second non-speaking part in an indie film. Grace Park - while certainly not really an A-list superstar - has already had a regular recurring role in at least 2 different TV series. That's beyond up and coming and is basically a successful career in acting.

      Well, I'll give you that. I once dated a guy with a Bacon number of 2. Just because he had a small bit part in a film with Sidney Poitier... didn't mean the guy was well-known or anything. (Great, now all the people with IMDB already loaded up will be searching vigorously for my ex-boyfriend's name now...)

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  12. Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Or she could just be a shitty actress.

    1. Re:Or... by ttong · · Score: 0

      THIS

    2. Re:Or... by drobety · · Score: 1

      And maybe her age shows (she should sue whoever enacted the law of entropy.)

    3. Re:Or... by _0xd0ad · · Score: 1

      Nope, according to the AP story, she's tried to apply for "40-year-old" roles and been turned away for looking too young. Now she's afraid that she won't be able to apply for "under-40" roles anymore either.

      Plaintiff has experienced rejection in the industry for each ‘40-year-old’ role for which she has interviewed because she does not and cannot physically portray the role of a 40-year-old woman

    4. Re:Or... by drobety · · Score: 1

      Ah silly me, I had this idea that when they dismiss a candidate they don't give them the real reason.

  13. Streisand effect in 3, 2, 1... by sjbe · · Score: 1

    Despite attempting to remain anonymous, this is the best way to ensure information about this person's age gets widespread media attention.

    1. Re:Streisand effect in 3, 2, 1... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You linked to the typo page. It automatically redirects, but still...

    2. Re:Streisand effect in 3, 2, 1... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Almost, but as she's not well know and an "up and coming" actress, this nullifies the Streisand Effect, because she'll be getting a ton of exposure, going from an unknown to a well known (albeit short lived). Whether that'll help in futures roles, who knows!

  14. dunno... by Tmann72 · · Score: 1

    I wouldn't say her jobs is based on lies, just the industry.

  15. She's in the wrong field in the wrong era then by Vandil+X · · Score: 1

    Acting is a profession that is very public.

    Even if IMDB didn't list her age, that wouldn't stop Wikipedia, or a fan, or former schoolmate from posting that information on the Internet and having it forever shared with the collective knowledge-base of the world.

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  16. If you're nearly 40... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    then odds are you're not an up and coming actress. Odds are that you're a down and falling without a retirement plan actress who has to sue a company for internet money.

  17. She should go after the biased studios instead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    She could just make a stand for equal opportunity, but oh well

  18. fortunately by demonbug · · Score: 1

    IMDB has become so hideously ugly and poorly designed that no one will notice anyway.

    Like usual, it looks like this is a little more complicated than it looks at first. It seems they only got her real DOB when she entered it while signing up for an account; I would guess that they might not have made clear that any information entered in the account creation process became public. So, maybe a leg to stand on in that respect - but very hard to believe she will get far claiming that her DOB should not be printed if she doesn't want it to be.

    1. Re:fortunately by blair1q · · Score: 1

      Date of Birth is one of those privacy-related items that is generally opt-in for display on websites you sign up for.

      IMDB apparently confuses fame and privacy, so it puts DOB out for everyone who has an entry.

      There are millions who have IMDB accounts who don't have entries. If you have an ordinary account, you don't have to show anything, not even your name.

      And yes, the last several redesigns seem to be making its usefulness implode.

  19. There are three things you never ask a woman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Her weight, her age, and how she feels about her ex.

    1. Re:There are three things you never ask a woman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't need to ask my ex how she feels about me! The way she treats me is proof enough that she hates me with a fury beyond all reason.

  20. I'm going to go out on a limb here... by idbeholda · · Score: 2

    "If one is perceived to be 'over-the-hill,' i.e., approaching 40, it is nearly impossible for an up-and-coming actress, such as the plaintiff, to get work as she is thought to have less of an 'upside,' therefore, casting directors, producers, directors, agents-manager, etc. do not give her the same opportunities, regardless of her appearance or talent."

    I'm pretty sure this statement only applies to the porn industry, which will narrow down the guesswork by a lot.

    1. Re:I'm going to go out on a limb here... by Fned · · Score: 2

      I'm pretty sure this statement only applies to the porn industry, which will narrow down the guesswork by a lot.

      Nope. All Hollywood is like this.

    2. Re:I'm going to go out on a limb here... by JustSomeProgrammer · · Score: 1

      I'm willing to bet that it excludes her from other roles also. There's a lot of stigma around age in this country. I think she is in right to ask her age not be revealed without her consent. (I wouldn't want that either). A million seems like too large of an amount though. I find it hard to think that an actor who would make that much in the next decade or so would not be so talented that directors wouldn't care how old she was.

    3. Re:I'm going to go out on a limb here... by idbeholda · · Score: 1

      I wasn't talking about Hollywood, I was talking about the porn industry.

    4. Re:I'm going to go out on a limb here... by drobety · · Score: 1

      Tom Cruise is a porn actor?

    5. Re:I'm going to go out on a limb here... by Snotman · · Score: 1

      Is this for a part on Glee where 40 year olds portray 18 year olds?

      I do not believe the anecdotal assertion. Prove that there is age bias. Do you hire for instance and you use age as a determining factor in hiring? That would be good testimony, but not scientific to the point we can generalize the phenomenon across the industry.

      In any case, going back to my first statement, how many actors are way older than the parts they play? I think it has more to do with how young or old you look than whether you can fit the part.

    6. Re:I'm going to go out on a limb here... by xmundt · · Score: 1

      Greetings and Salutations...
              Actually, this pretty much applies to ALL businesses in the USA. There is a strong undercurrent of age prejudice that, like racism in the 1940s is very real but never mentioned. It is a fact that for many professions, the closer one's age is to 50, then, the lower the chance that one will get hired, or even considered for a job. There are several reasons for this, including the fact that a 50 year old worker will not put up with nearly the level of abuse from management that an 19-20 year old will, and will insist on NOT being underpaid. The fact that a more mature employee has a lot of experience and knowledge about dead-ends in the process and ways to do the job correctly, and, will be far better at handling those cusp conditions where the general rules break down seems to make no difference these days. I have even heard some employers saying that an older employee will not stay with the company long enough - in spite of the fact that the average stay at a given position these days is about five years. The days of a person staying with a company for decades, and, working their way up through the ranks appear to be gone for good
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    7. Re:I'm going to go out on a limb here... by blair1q · · Score: 1

      Of a sort. The only reason to watch one of his movies is to masturbate over him. Certainly there's not a single other redeeming quality to his presence in them.

    8. Re:I'm going to go out on a limb here... by porges · · Score: 1

      It is a fact that for many professions, the closer one's age is to 50, then, the lower the chance that one will get hired, or even considered for a job.

      Awesome! I'm getting more hireable all the time, then.

    9. Re:I'm going to go out on a limb here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look at Daryl Hannah, she still looks good because of an extreme diet and extreme surgery.

    10. Re:I'm going to go out on a limb here... by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      You assume that there is a difference.

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    11. Re:I'm going to go out on a limb here... by idbeholda · · Score: 1

      Well played, sir. Well played indeed. I'm pretty sure The Loin King was NOT made by Disney.

    12. Re:I'm going to go out on a limb here... by xmundt · · Score: 1

      Greetings and salutations.....
      WHY do I suspect that porges is on their way towards 100 and, like me, waving goodbye to 50 as it recedes behind????
      My comment was brief, but, alas, a bit imprecise....perhaps it would have been more accurate to say "as one's age gets closer to passing 50..."
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    13. Re:I'm going to go out on a limb here... by fatphil · · Score: 1

      Nope, if you are contrasting the porn industry against the rest of the industry you are clearly talking about the whole industry.

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  21. She's sueing the wrong party. by surmak · · Score: 1

    Should she not be suing the studios for age discrimination instead? That (if anyone) is who is truly hurting her career.

    1. Re:She's sueing the wrong party. by Surt · · Score: 1

      Age discrimination requires that she actually BE over 40. So she can't make such a suit.

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    2. Re:She's sueing the wrong party. by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

      Either that or a labor action by the Screen Actor's Guild. That's the kind of thing your union is for, right? And she is in SAG, right?

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    3. Re:She's sueing the wrong party. by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      She would actually need to HAVE a career in the first place for that.

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    4. Re:She's sueing the wrong party. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Either that or a labor action by the Screen Actor's Guild. That's the kind of thing your union is for, right? And she is in SAG, right?

      40 years? There's a little SAG in all of that age.

    5. Re:She's sueing the wrong party. by blair1q · · Score: 1

      They haven't discriminated against her yet, so she has no injury, so no grounds to bring suit.

      She does, however, have grounds against Amazon, because it didn't protect her privacy like other websites would. Display of the birthday should be opt-in.

    6. Re:She's sueing the wrong party. by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Not sure about that, but if she is over 40, she might start sagging...

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    7. Re:She's sueing the wrong party. by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Actually you can't do that. Acting is one of the jobs where discrimination is okay.
      For example you might not want to higher an Asian to play Martin Luthor King.
      Or a woman to play Teddy Kennedy.
      It is perfectly okay to say you are too old, too fat, not pretty enough, or the wrong race in acting.
       

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    8. Re:She's sueing the wrong party. by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Why? it's a public record.

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    9. Re:She's sueing the wrong party. by blair1q · · Score: 1

      So is your birthday. Do you want your bank/employer/Facebook displaying this "public record" just because you entered it in a box on a form?

    10. Re:She's sueing the wrong party. by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      "What you want" is not grounds for legal action. Do not reveal anything you consider "private" (even public information such as your DOB) to anyone not contractually bound to keep it confidential unless you are willing to rely solely on their good will and common sense. The way to keep secrets is to not tell them to anyone.

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    11. Re:She's sueing the wrong party. by blair1q · · Score: 1

      >"What you want" is not grounds for legal action.

      It is when you make the effort to put it into law.

  22. You'd think ... by drpimp · · Score: 1

    You'd think that listing a shitty role, in a shitty B movie would degrade your ability to land a future job more so then your age. Sorry, you're old as fuck .. not for this Earth, just for this role VS Sorry, you just plain suck.

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  23. Sounds like... by TheoFish · · Score: 2

    another case of Job Security through Obscurity.

  24. Dependent on lies? by stevegee58 · · Score: 1

    No, just withheld information.

  25. Give me a large personal break! by ShaunC · · Score: 2, Informative

    Meryl Streep, Julianne Moore, Demi Moore, Susan Sarandon, all still working and I could easily go on. Hell, even Cloris Leachman still gets roles. Being over the hill has absolutely nothing to do with casting.

    Unless this unnamed actress is involved in the "adult film industry," I don't think she has a point.

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    1. Re:Give me a large personal break! by immakiku · · Score: 1

      Her point is that her career is at a relatively young point. It'd be hard to get studios to invest in her if they don't see the possibility of a long-term career.

    2. Re:Give me a large personal break! by dcollins · · Score: 4, Informative

      Those are outliers/anecdotes, not data. It's enormously well-known that being a female actress and somewhat older is highly correlated with having fewer parts available.

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    3. Re:Give me a large personal break! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless this unnamed actress is involved in the "adult film industry," I don't think she has a point.

      Even if she is involved in adult material, she doesn't have a point. There are plenty of "features" featuring "MILF" or even "Granny" material.

    4. Re:Give me a large personal break! by TonyPags314 · · Score: 0

      Is it Amazon's fault that she started her career so late? Football players don't get hired at 40 either. If she was a good actress, her age wouldn't matter.

    5. Re:Give me a large personal break! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forget that those women's careers generally started when they were young, and they became respected actors over time.

    6. Re:Give me a large personal break! by ColdWetDog · · Score: 0

      Those are outliers/anecdotes, not data. It's enormously well-known that being a female actress and somewhat older is highly correlated with having fewer parts available.

      Actually, those women aren't outliers at all (except possibly Ms. Leachman). They all started young, got their initial breaks in part on the basis of their looks and managed to weave their way through Hollywood and continue getting roles as they matured.

      Bonus points for Susan Sarandon's most 'visible' early role.

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    7. Re:Give me a large personal break! by ari_j · · Score: 1

      Aren't all successful actors outliers to begin with?

    8. Re:Give me a large personal break! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is only because many of the available parts now point at the floor.

    9. Re:Give me a large personal break! by Thelasko · · Score: 0

      You forgot Betty White. She's probably had more roles in her 80s than in the rest of her career.

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    10. Re:Give me a large personal break! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those are outliers/anecdotes, not data. It's enormously well-known that being a female actress and somewhat older is highly correlated with having fewer parts available.

      That's true for everything. Being young and beautiful is an advantage. Boo hoo.

    11. Re:Give me a large personal break! by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 0

      Then she should sure the studio who denies her a job rather than going after imdb. Oh right, you actually bought into the phoney notion that this isn't just a frivolous money grab.

    12. Re:Give me a large personal break! by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      Even the pr0n market has a niche for that.. yuck.

      Anyway, this has potential for a brilliant PR move, if done the right way: "leak" a false younger age to IMDB, then sue when they publish it: you get attention, and you get people to believe you're actually younger than you really are.

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    13. Re:Give me a large personal break! by GungaDan · · Score: 1

      Touch-a touch-a touch her, indeed.

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    14. Re:Give me a large personal break! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For example, Jamie Lee Curtis apparently can only find work selling magical yogurt...

    15. Re:Give me a large personal break! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless this unnamed actress is involved in the "adult film industry," I don't think she has a point.

      And even there... there's stuff for every taste out there

    16. Re:Give me a large personal break! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those are outliers/anecdotes, not data. It's enormously well-known that being a female actress and somewhat older is highly correlated with having fewer parts available.

      Tell that to Betty White

    17. Re:Give me a large personal break! by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Rocky! (and not the boxing movie)

    18. Re:Give me a large personal break! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's enormously well-known that being a female actress and somewhat older is highly correlated with having fewer parts available.

      Absolutely correct. It is well known that as adult film stars age, certain parts become so worn out that you may as well simply call them unavailable.

    19. Re:Give me a large personal break! by the_fat_kid · · Score: 1

      ok, now, other than Nina Hartley, Name 3 or four PORN STARS over 40 that still work, on camera.

      I think that might be this ladies issue.

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    20. Re:Give me a large personal break! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If only it was just with acting...

    21. Re:Give me a large personal break! by Hatta · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's enormously well-known that being a female actress and somewhat older is highly correlated with having fewer parts available.

      Being a well-known female actress and somewhat younger is highly correlated with having enormous parts available.

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    22. Re:Give me a large personal break! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Betty White has crossed mountain ranges and she is still getting roles!

    23. Re:Give me a large personal break! by DerekLyons · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Meryl Streep, Julianne Moore, Demi Moore, Susan Sarandon, all still working and I could easily go on. Hell, even Cloris Leachman still gets roles.

      Not only are those not 'up and coming' actresses (as specified in TFA), they're a minority out of actresses of their cohorts.

    24. Re:Give me a large personal break! by blair1q · · Score: 1

      Being over the hill has absolutely nothing to do with casting.

      There is a vast difference between A-list and the rest.

      And even then, those women have to make additional effort to get work, or have a special relationship with certain people who have a frequent use for the irony of putting a famous old woman in a movie.

    25. Re:Give me a large personal break! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd venture and say white collar jobs, women suffer as well. They'll even take off their wedding bands during job interviews.

    26. Re:Give me a large personal break! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Betty White....

      That is all... =P

    27. Re:Give me a large personal break! by camperdave · · Score: 0

      It doesn't matter what point her career is at. She is going after roles inappropriate for her age. Sorry, but that ain't gonna fly long no matter who knows your age. On the other hand, if she goes after roles suitable for her age, she could be working for the next 50 years.

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    28. Re:Give me a large personal break! by pthisis · · Score: 1

      Actually, those women aren't outliers at all (except possibly Ms. Leachman). They all started young, got their initial breaks in part on the basis of their looks and managed to weave their way through Hollywood and continue getting roles as they matured.

      Cloris Leachman, too. She was Miss Chicago and her early roles are often credited as Dancing Girl, Nightclub Patron, etc. She played Agnes the prostitute in Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid.

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    29. Re:Give me a large personal break! by Genda · · Score: 2

      Clearly you have no idea what you're talking about. Betty has worked almost non-stop since 1945. Starting when she was a pretty young thing. All you had to do was go to Imdb and check out Betty White's filmography. There are a few women who started in movies at middle age, and they were either character actors or comediennes like Phylis Diller. They're also obviously the exception that proves the rule.

      If you're a woman and you aren't young and lovely, you're going to have a very hard time getting ahead in Movies or Television. Hollywood is vitually synonymous with agism and sexism (haven't you ever heard of the casting couch?)

      Why do you think shows like the X-Factor are now taking 12 and 13 year olds? Because they want to rob Disney Productions of the next potential mega-star, and still squeeze 20 years of profit out of them before they're washed up at 30. Look at the number of actors who were popular in their 20s and gone by the time they hit 40 (and you'll find 90% are women.) Sex sells, and face it, we are a society that not only worships youth, but have seriously begun to sexualize children. At a time when 150 year life spans are totally possible, Making people second class citizens by the time they reach 40 is dark karma, and as a culture we should maybe be looking at valuing our elders for something more than fetish porn.

    30. Re:Give me a large personal break! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Easy...
      Francesca Le, Kylie Ireland and Julia Ann.

      Next question?

    31. Re:Give me a large personal break! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those are outliers/anecdotes, not data. It's enormously well-known that being a female actress and somewhat older is highly correlated with having fewer parts available.

      Here's the general rule - more attractive people are more successful at life.

      In the performing arts, much more so.

      And generally speaking, people are more attractive when they are younger.

    32. Re:Give me a large personal break! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Basically if you don't have an Oscar, or a couple of Emmys you will recieve ZERO leading roles after you turn 40. Studios shoot films to sell tickets to pubescent boys so you've either got to be what the industry calls in it's technical jargon "fuckable", or so good at what you do that you'll draw a crowd of older patrons to the dozen or so highbrow films Hollywood makes every year to maintain the illusion it's a respectable artistic institution.

    33. Re:Give me a large personal break! by michelcolman · · Score: 1

      Here's a link. It even lists porn stars over 50.

    34. Re:Give me a large personal break! by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Aren't all successful actors outliers to begin with?

      Yes, but there are a lot more male than female 40+ outliers.

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    35. Re:Give me a large personal break! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you're saying that with older females the parts dry up?

    36. Re:Give me a large personal break! by the_fat_kid · · Score: 1

      Right, never thought of Google.
      Well, lets see, Ron Jeremy, a man, ok, I'll give you that one.
      Other than that it's a bunch of obscure granny porn.

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    37. Re:Give me a large personal break! by michelcolman · · Score: 1

      You did not specify that. You asked for porn stars over 40 that still work ;-)

    38. Re:Give me a large personal break! by CaptSlaq · · Score: 1

      It's enormously well-known that being a female actress and somewhat older is highly correlated with having fewer parts available.

      Being a well-known female actress and somewhat younger is highly correlated with having enormous parts installed.

      FTFY.

    39. Re:Give me a large personal break! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, let's be clear. It's magical yogurt that makes you poop!

    40. Re:Give me a large personal break! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While I am not defending the girl suing IMDB, the difference is people like Meryl Streep and Demi Moore were famous while they were young. Its easy for them to transition into older parts. If an unknown female actress hasn't hit it big by 40, there is little chance she will.

    41. Re:Give me a large personal break! by multimed · · Score: 1

      Huh? How do you know she's going after roles inappropriate for her age? For the most part, there's not such thing as an "appropriate age" for a role in Hollywood anyway. They don't give a shit how old you are. How old you look on the other hand matters tremendously. Think of how old the actors often are who play teens on TV & in movies.

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    42. Re:Give me a large personal break! by sjames · · Score: 1

      There's a difference between a well recognized actress continuing to get work after 40 and an up and coming actress getting enough work to become well recognized at 40.

      Kinda like how in spite of the legalities, it's easier at 60 to stay till retirement than it is to get hired into the same company at 60.

    43. Re:Give me a large personal break! by the_fat_kid · · Score: 1

      and rightly hoist by my own petard.
      Touche, sir.

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    44. Re:Give me a large personal break! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Meryl Streep, Julianne Moore, Demi Moore, Susan Sarandon, all still working and I could easily go on. Hell, even Cloris Leachman still gets roles. Being over the hill has absolutely nothing to do with casting.

      Unless this unnamed actress is involved in the "adult film industry," I don't think she has a point.

      The Actress is "Up & Coming", not established ones as the ones you listed. And yes, ageism & whether or not you're all ready an established Actor/Actress has e erything to do w/ it!

  26. I wanna sue too!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm gonna sue IMDB for not posting any of my info, making it impossible for me to get any jobs!

  27. This is how the industry works by immakiku · · Score: 0

    Yes you can shout "Streisand" and make fun of the futile effort all you want, but she should be allowed control of her own privacy even if she's going about it the wrong way. Plus, this is actually how the industry works. It's not just her (as someone approaching 40) - even young actors have to obsessively control information about their age. So for IMDB to reveal that information is quite damaging to her career indeed. For similar reasons, employers are not allowed to ask certain, possibly bias-inducing, questions during interviews by law.

    1. Re:This is how the industry works by pclminion · · Score: 2

      Yes you can shout "Streisand" and make fun of the futile effort all you want, but she should be allowed control of her own privacy even if she's going about it the wrong way.

      Really? First Amendment right out the window, huh? Forget slander and libel, you can't even publish the TRUTH if someone perceives it as damaging?

      Should be great for those in politics. When your opponent points out something you said or did, which will just slaughter you at the polls, just go ahead and sue him for damaging your career.

    2. Re:This is how the industry works by Snotman · · Score: 0

      What evidence is there that there is age discrimination in the movie industry except anecdotal evidence? Please provide any scientific evidence of this effect, otherwise it is hearsay and no better than people who looked at the earth as flat.

      In addition, I do believe birth certificates are public record which means her age is public domain.

    3. Re:This is how the industry works by misexistentialist · · Score: 1

      Can legislate audiences' sexual interest. Old actresses simply can't get the job done.

    4. Re:This is how the industry works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I personally know six people with the same first, middle, and last name as myself. Three of us were born in the same town. It isn't even an especially common name.

    5. Re:This is how the industry works by duranaki · · Score: 1

      It's not how old you are, it's how old you look. The actual age is pretty unimportant. I'm curious how anyone can define this as "quite damaging". I guess we'll find out, since she'll have to actually show damages if this ever goes anywhere.

    6. Re:This is how the industry works by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      you can't even publish the TRUTH if someone perceives it as damaging?

      So goes copyright (though this particular issue has nothing to do with copyright). So yes, there is a basis in law for preventing people from sharing information when not "allowed" no matter how truthful it is. Though this could be considered a "trade secret" depending on the legal status of birth certificates (as where they are "public records" it could never be considered a trade secret, though most places now will only release a birth certificate to the "owner" of it - as a means to fight identity theft, making them non-public).

    7. Re:This is how the industry works by KingSkippus · · Score: 1

      Really? First Amendment right out the window, huh? Forget slander and libel, you can't even publish the TRUTH if someone perceives it as damaging?

      The First Amendment is tempered by the right to privacy. If your bank publishes your account numbers, home address and phone number, Social Security number, and mother's maiden name, and as a result you suffer identity theft and financial damages, does it make a difference that all of the information that your bank published was TRUE?

      No.

      Certain information is public. Your birthday is not, unless you volunteer it or it gets scooped somehow, most likely due to a breach of privacy. If the actress doesn't want personal information that she submitted to IMDb in the course of a business relationship to be published, she should have that right.

    8. Re:This is how the industry works by pclminion · · Score: 1

      If your bank publishes your account numbers, home address and phone number, Social Security number, and mother's maiden name, and as a result you suffer identity theft and financial damages, does it make a difference that all of the information that your bank published was TRUE?

      What matters is whether the bank had a contractual obligation not to divulge the information. These problems can all be solved quite easily by drafting, reading, and adhering to appropriate legal agreements. Fuck yes the bank can publish that if it wants to, unless the bank and I have agreed that they won't. (The law may differ from what I just said, but IMHO that's how it SHOULD work.)

      Expecting that people "just won't" do certain things is expecting too much.

      If the actress doesn't want personal information that she submitted to IMDb in the course of a business relationship to be published, she should have that right.

      Did she specify? Was there a TOS? Did she read it? If her age is sensitive information why is she giving it out?

    9. Re:This is how the industry works by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 1

      Certain information is public. Your birthday is not...

      How is it not? Birth records are public. It might require a bit of poking about to find where to look, but if you can find the information in public records I would say that it fits the very definition of "public information".

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  28. In short, yes. by Fishbulb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    All careers in Hollywood are based on lies. Having myself attempted to break into commercial voice acting, it was often a question as to whether you (as a voice actor) should include your mugshot. The specialty of the woman who taught my classes was the "teenage girl" part. Why not use an actual teenage girl? Because she was a much better actor in her 40's and 50's, yet can still sound like a teenager. Is it a lie for her to audition for teenager parts? Would she have gotten the audition (just the chance to tryout for the part) if she included a picture of herself as a 40-year-old?
    Keep in mind that Bart Simpson wouldn't have the voice he does if Nancy Cartwright hadn't come in to audition for Lisa's part. Does that make Bart's voice a lie?

    From a certain point of view... ;)

    1. Re:In short, yes. by GungaDan · · Score: 1

      Scientology makes Bart's voice (actor) a lie, as well as a despicable person.

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    2. Re:In short, yes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not despicable, though perhaps foolish or gullible.

    3. Re:In short, yes. by rapidreload · · Score: 1

      Scientology makes Bart's voice (actor) a lie, as well as a despicable person.

      No, not despicable, just gullible and perhaps a little crazy. I prefer this description because hotties like Catherine Bell are Scientologists - I don't want to have my fantasies destroyed simple because of their affiliation to a stupid cult. :)

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    4. Re:In short, yes. by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      Uhhh... It's Hollywood. The place where fiction is turned into reality by people playing dress-up.

      It's all lies.

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  29. Age Lies -- The rule by ElmoGonzo · · Score: 1

    Every woman actor I know has been advised to reduce her stated age by at least 3 years. The presumption is that everyone will assume the age is a lie so if you tell the truth you put yourself at a disadvantage.

  30. So Who Is She? by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 1

    The question is: Who is she?

    The over/under betting is: How long before we find out? (There are a lot of clues to narrow this down.)

    But also: Is her contention correct that this is how her BD found its way onto IMDB? She acts like there is no other possible way, but that's hardly a certainty. I'm guessing that this is like that Skanks of New York website where the lawsuit is intended to discover who actually posted it by forcing IMDB to defend itself by revealing the IP address and account information of the actual poster in their defense. In this way the Plaintiff gets access to information that she is not truly entitled to receive legally otherwise -- much like RIAA/MPAA mass subpena lawsuits that are dismissed the moment that subscriber information is matched to dubious IP numbers. In fact, I'll go so far as to opine that the Plaintiff already knows that IMDB didn't do what she preposterously alleges, and is only misusing the court system to uncover the actual person involved in order to punish them for telling the truth about her.

    Last question: Will she profit from all this publicity? Probably yes in the short term.

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  31. uh, birth certificates are public record by Snotman · · Score: 1

    I do not think she has a leg to stand on. If the information is public and IMDb tracks actors, then I imagine it is within their rights to post what is in the public domain.

    1. Re:uh, birth certificates are public record by lennier1 · · Score: 2

      birth certificates

      Not touching that with a ten foot pole!

    2. Re:uh, birth certificates are public record by Snotman · · Score: 1

      =)

    3. Re:uh, birth certificates are public record by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Birth certificates aren't public anymore. In the old days, anyone could get it. However, now, you have to be the person born to get them. Preventing Identity theft and such.

    4. Re:uh, birth certificates are public record by JustNilt · · Score: 1

      While a stamped and official copy of a Certificate of Live Birth may be restricted to the actual person, their parent or someone similar, the records of the event are still very much a matter of public record, especially for anyone older than a certain date. There are databases which have collected all of this information in an easily searchable format and, once in there, it's fair game for private parties to search, assuming they pay for the privilege.

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    5. Re:uh, birth certificates are public record by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      > Birth certificates aren't public anymore.

      But birth records are.

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    6. Re:uh, birth certificates are public record by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      But birth records are.

      The Internet, where fucktards go to spread incorrect opinions as fact. Now quit lying so nobody out there accidentally believes you

      "Birth records are considered confidential information" So the record itself, not just the certificate is what is "confidential." And I'm not a lawyer, but "confidential" sounds a lot like the opposite of "public."

      http://www.dallascounty.org/department/countyclerk/birthcertificates.php

      Go ahead, read it. It proves you wrong. Now maybe you'll stop repeating this particular lie, now that you are proven wrong (though I can still expect you to argue with me even though you know I'm right and you are wrong, but hopefully you'll stop repeating the lie in the future), but I shouldn't expect you to stop giving incorrect opinion as fact, when a 10 second search can prove you wrong. You don't even bother to look. You know you are right, even if the law says you are wrong. Yay Internet. Fucktards unite!

    7. Re:uh, birth certificates are public record by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I do not think she has a leg to stand on.

      I didn't know Heather Mills was either Asian or from Texas.

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  32. ageism by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

    we don't expect ageism (although we find it in our tech field); but in the visual entertainment field, OF COURSE you are going to be judged on looks. age is part of that.

    people who enter this field usually have a clue that they have a short window while they're 'golden'. hey, YOU picked your career and probably made good coin 'in your day'. did you make the best of it while you could? how long did you think you could milk that cow, anyway?

    I just have no sympathy for movie or music 'stars'. none at all, sorry.

    lets talk about ageism for engineers. THAT hits home and is fundamentally wrong. but taking a job based on what you look like - you should have known better, lady!

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    1. Re:ageism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She's not suing because they posted a picture of her. Your comment is entirely irrelevant in addition to being self-righteous.

    2. Re:ageism by blair1q · · Score: 1

      It's not looks. It's age. She probably looks 25, but they'll assume her headshots are photoshopped and toss her packet when they see 40 on it.

    3. Re:ageism by vux984 · · Score: 1

      but taking a job based on what you look like - you should have known better, lady!

      Except that's precisely what she wants. She wants to be judged by her looks for a job that depends on her looks. Her numerical age doesn't define how old she LOOKS.

    4. Re:ageism by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Acting is not just about how you look, that's modelling, dipshit..

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  33. "Up and coming" by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 1

    I'd bet that "up and coming" really means "She's never had even a decent supporting role in any film that more than 1000 people have paid to watch, but we're sure she's about to break through to the big time any day now". I'm sure she'll eventually be identified and I also bet that when we find out who she is, everyone is going to say "Never heard of her".

  34. My position is... by fallen1 · · Score: 1

    FUCK HER. If her birthdate was not public then it would never have been posted on her profile in IMDB.

    Not to mention, all it would take is a couple of phone calls by a director to find out her age.

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    1. Re:My position is... by Beorytis · · Score: 1

      No. TFA says she provided the DOB when she signed up for an IMDB Pro account, believing it would be kept confidential.

    2. Re:My position is... by poofmeisterp · · Score: 1

      No. TFA says she provided the DOB when she signed up for an IMDB Pro account, believing it would be kept confidential.

      Wonder if she read the TOS.....

      Stay tuned!

    3. Re:My position is... by nwf · · Score: 1, Insightful

      No. TFA says she provided the DOB when she signed up for an IMDB Pro account, believing it would be kept confidential.

      So she is willing to lie to a potential employer but is completely truthful on the internet? Sounds like a true moron to me.

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  35. So 40 in real years is like what in tv years? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Sounds like she is just the right age to start playing a late 20's character on TV. That's how it works right?

  36. None of the above by KingSkippus · · Score: 1

    The article mentioned that she is an up-and-coming actress. Sounds to me like a waitress who is an actress wannabe looking to 1) get attention, and possibly 2) sustain herself financially while she devotes herself to her "art" (i.e. she hates being a waitress and is looking for a relatively easy payday). It's probably not someone we've ever heard of, almost certainly not someone who would meet the notability threshold of Wikipedia.

    That having been said, though, it does seem to be a pretty gross violation of privacy to me for IMDb to publish someone's birth date based only on information they submitted, a date that they didn't get from some other public source. It may not be a big deal to you or me, but that doesn't matter. It's private data, and it should have been held in confidence.

    1. Re:None of the above by snowgirl · · Score: 1

      That having been said, though, it does seem to be a pretty gross violation of privacy to me for IMDb to publish someone's birth date based only on information they submitted, a date that they didn't get from some other public source. It may not be a big deal to you or me, but that doesn't matter. It's private data, and it should have been held in confidence.

      So you sue them for breach of contract (what contract?), and fraud (so it's wrong?)?

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    2. Re:None of the above by RazzleFrog · · Score: 1

      Is your birthdate really private data? And they say in their privacy statement that they collect data from other sources about you.

    3. Re:None of the above by KingSkippus · · Score: 1

      Apparently it is. If I want to know your birthday and you don't want to tell me, it's pretty durn hard for me to find out. I don't know of any generally publicly accessible way for me to find out. If I go rooting through your trash to try to find a form or something with your birthday on it, that's breach of privacy. If you give it to me in the course of a business transaction and then I go telling other people without your consent, I'd consider that a breach of privacy also.

      If it's on Wikipedia or in some other public place and they report it, that's different, but that's not what the actress is claiming.

    4. Re:None of the above by RazzleFrog · · Score: 1

      Well I found mine on - http://www.birthdatabase.com/ - in about 2 seconds. All of this stuff is in government records which are available to the public.

    5. Re:None of the above by geekoid · · Score: 1

      No, DoB is public record.

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    6. Re:None of the above by LordLucless · · Score: 1

      I don't know what the equivalent is in the US, but in Australia, that'd be the Registry of Births, Deaths and Marriages - which has public access.

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    7. Re:None of the above by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      Read your birth certificate. Your date of birth is in the public records in the county in which you were born. Most county records are now on the Web, one way or another.

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    8. Re:None of the above by Jibekn · · Score: 1

      Pay the 35$ bookkeeping fee, give the name to your government and get a copy of their birth certificate?

      These are public knowledge and you have 0 privacy in regards to them, as all can be found out with government requests and few bucks paid to your local government office:

      Name.
      Hair Colour.
      Eye Colour.
      Sex.
      Age.
      Current and Past Address.

    9. Re:None of the above by hawk · · Score: 1

      and,

      c). wasn't able to contrive a way to get close enough to Aston Kutchner (or whatever his name is) to go on a media press claiming to have slept with him . . :)

      hawk

    10. Re:None of the above by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? In WA, you can only see records that are more than 60 years old as a member of the general public.

  37. introspect by Eponymous+Hero · · Score: 1

    So is her career dependent on lies?

    isn't yours?

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  38. Re:Out of work, think I'll sue someone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    First, the assumption that everyone in entertainment is a multimillionaire is just plain stupid, and you should be embarrassed for thinking that. Believe it or not, there are people who act for a living who make less than the average plumber. (And lacking skills in plumbing, can't afford to change to that career.) It's only the top-billed actors and actresses who can pull in that kind of money. Most of the bit part actors and people who'se names you don't recognize don't actually make that much.

    Second, the famous actors don't have to worry about their ages being public, since they get roles and auditions based on being famous. They're already _in_ the door, so they don't have to care. The point Jane Doe is making is that as a less known actress, she doesn't have that advantage (or that money), so she needs the illusion of being younger.

    Of course, it's still stupid, and hopefully will backfire horribly on her.

  39. Two words by hilldog · · Score: 1

    Betty White. Ok we can toss that stupid court case.

  40. Glee? by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 1

    Why hide her age? Maybe she was hoping to appear on Glee along with all of the other 20-somethings there.

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  41. actors lie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Is her career dependent on lies?"

    You do understand the nature of acting right?

  42. Tough titties... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    perhaps literally. But seriously, age is public record. She may want this information to be secret, but the fact of the matter is it's not. It's not defamation (since the information is true), and it's not IMDB's concern if it affects her career or not -- every other actor and actress' age is on there after all.

              Finally, I know Hollywood is shallow and pretty fucked up, but I really don't think having her age on IMDB will affect anything. I think they will find older actors and actresses lose jobs because they LOOK too old for the parts, I seriously doubt if this actress looks young enough that a director will then see her age on IMDB and say "the hell with it". Of course there's always shows like the old 90210 where they had no problem having people that looked like they were 40 playing high schoolers.

  43. She's not the only one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "So is her career dependent on lies ?"

    Isn't this true of sales people? Especially software vendors?

  44. oscar wilde by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "One should never trust a woman who tells one her real age. A woman who would tell one that, would tell one anything."

  45. In the digital era, we're all in the public eye. by xmark · · Score: 1

    The principle that we each should be in charge of the release of our personal information is a protection for you and me as well as for aging actresses.

    As for determining which information about someone is "trivial," I suggest not outsourcing that either.

  46. celebrity aspect by KingAlanI · · Score: 1

    I don't think that working in the public eye should necessarily cost you all your privacy, even on straightforward things like this.

    Also, with acting, there may not be enough roles _for_ older actresses. That's likely also an issue, but a different one.

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  47. Re:Out of work, think I'll sue someone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actresses are generally paid much less than actors are. And as they get older they have fewer roles available and those roles pay less. She may well be working as a waitress between roles just to pay the bills; or perhaps living with her boy/girl-friend/husband/wife, and not actually have a decent income of her own.

  48. Not QUITE what we think... by Dhalka226 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I wanted to be angry about this. I even had a post written up about how the judge had better eviscerate this woman and her lawyer for such a stupid lawsuit. Then I went against all Slashdot policies and read the article. It is not quite what we think.

    She is definitely mad about her age being disclosed, and that is probably the basis for the damage amount -- but her actual claims are about how they got her age. She is claiming that they got her birthdate from a subscription to IMDBPro and is claiming breach of contract and invasion of privacy.

    I am not commenting on the merits of that claim, by the way, but it is certainly different than "somebody disclosed a fact about me, sue them!" Much as it pains me, perhaps the calls for evisceration have to be put temporarily on hold. Meh. I guess I have to find a patent story and call for evisceration there instead.

  49. pointless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What a useless lawsuit for everyone (except the lawyers). A standard background check by any potential employer is going to reveal her age, negating all that BS claimed in the suit.

    Could the real reason be a lack of talent so the next option is to try to score a cool $mil by targeting a large corporation with gobs of liquid cash? Could be...

  50. Who am I? by pwthoma · · Score: 1

    It's Nicole Bilderback.

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    1. Re:Who am I? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I doubt it. Her name is not a stage name. She has an American name because she was adopted.

    2. Re:Who am I? by _0xd0ad · · Score: 1

      Nope, she has an American name because she created a fake stage persona and kept her given, legal name private and isolated from her stage persona.

      To sign up for IMDbPro, she had to give them her legal name (it was on her credit card), and now she's claiming they went out and did public records searches to find her birthdate.

      Here's the document.

  51. Here's my gripe with IMDb by keysdisease · · Score: 1

    They don't include most musical info. They don't list the songs (and artists) used in a tv show or movie.. If there is an original song or score, I can drill down the cast & crew and find the musical contributors but even that's not certain. Seems to me if the info is in the credits, it ought to be in the Internet Movie Database. Besides, unless Jeff bought IMDb simply because he loves the movies, Amazon is missing an opportunity to cross-sell music. Also on new tv episodes the episode cast is often incomplete. But on older episodes it's usually complete so perhaps there is some latentcy in getting the data. Anyway, I guess I get more than what I pay for it, and it does have a pretty nice iPad app.

  52. Barking up the wrong tree. by Beorytis · · Score: 1

    She'll get a much better payday (but perhaps much poorer acting opportunities) if she files a suit against the entire casting industry for widespread age discrimination.

  53. 3 thoughts by jshark · · Score: 1

    #1) if she's "approaching 40" but still considered "up and coming" my guess is she ain't going too far regardless of the age report
    #2) all actors' careers are dependent on lies
    #3) front page? slashdot? really?

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  54. Re:In the digital era, we're all in the public eye by Sulphur · · Score: 1

    The principle that we each should be in charge of the release of our personal information is a protection for you and me as well as for aging actresses.

    As for determining which information about someone is "trivial," I suggest not outsourcing that either.

    Is there a helpdesk?

  55. Bad article by chazzf · · Score: 5, Informative

    The BBC article is light on the details to the point of distorting the issue. There's a better write-up at Paid Content, which also has a link to the complaint. It's not just about ageism; the Jane Doe alleges that IMDb pulled her birthdate from her credit-card information and then published it, ignoring takedown requests.

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    1. Re:Bad article by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      Again, why is that relevant? DOB is PUBLIC RECORD, it should not matter where that fact comes from.

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    2. Re:Bad article by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      Births are usually recorded in the public county records in the USA, but not always.

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    3. Re:Bad article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't everyone put DOB as 1/1/1900? That would make her 111 years, and definitely put her out of work!

    4. Re:Bad article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How exactly does a merchant "pull a birthdate" from "credit card information"? That doesn't make sense.

    5. Re:Bad article by jklovanc · · Score: 2

      According to the article at Paid content;
      "The actress ... says that the credit-card interception is the only way the company could have learned her real age."

      If the unknown actress is actually Junie Hoang then that statement may be false. Some web sites state her date of birth 10 July 16, 1978 but here are a list of web sites that set her date of birth at July 16, 1971;
      http://watchmymoviesonline.com/?/actors/name/Junie_Hoang/
      http://sharetv.org/person/junie_hoang
      http://people.famouswhy.com/junie_hoang/
      http://www.flixster.com/actor/junie-hoang
      http://www.crystalacids.com/database/person/1947/junie-hoang/

      Here is a really interesting thing that I found during my search. At this url under blogs I found this as the summary.

      "Junie Hoang, born on July 16, 1971 in Saigon, Vietnam, is a Vietnamese actress. Filmography (source: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0387470/ ) 2011 Social Vigilantes (announced) Mika 2011 Gingerdead Man 3-D: Saturday Night Cleaver (filming) ... -"

      Note the DoB.
      When I clicked the link the the DoB was July 16, 1978. Why the difference? It looks like at some point the blog stated the DoB was 1971.

      It may be possible that all these sites got their data from iMDB but that is doubtful. For example the crystalacids.com, famouswhy.com and watchmy movies.com sits have incomplete listings of her and do not reference iMDB. If any of these sites show the 1978 date, there may be some "data cleanup" going on.

      There are alternate ways to get an actor's date of birth.

  56. What's the legal argument? by 7-Vodka · · Score: 1
    I don't get it, what exactly is the legal argument for bringing suit in this instance?

    If you don't have a proper legal argument, it's going to be summarily dismissed with prejudice and she'll have to pay their legal fees.

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  57. lives in Texas, is of Asian descent by kaptink · · Score: 1

    "The actress - referred to in court documents by the placeholder name Jane Doe - lives in Texas, is of Asian descent and has an Americanised stage name."

    Lucy Liu perhaps though she is already 40+ - She is shown on IMDB as DOB 2/12/1968 making her 43 I think. I cant think of any other actresses matching that so she must not be that much of a "well-known" big name star. Perhaps a wannabe big name star who is on the way out and is desperately holding on to the hope someone will hire her.

    No surprise on the Texan origin though. That state must be one big court house! I wonder what the golden girls would think of this case. I know they are still getting gigs and they are like almost 100 years old. And what about the girls from Sex and the City?? They must be claiming senior discount by now!

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  58. What about the rest of the Internet? by Stenchwarrior · · Score: 1

    Because if IMDB was able to find this lady's age, surely there are many other sources on the Internet able to do the same thing. Does that mean she's going to sue every single source out there that happens to list her accurate information?

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    1. Re:What about the rest of the Internet? by _0xd0ad · · Score: 1

      if IMDB was able to find this lady's age, surely there are many other sources on the Internet able to do the same thing

      According to her complaint, they'd need her real name, not her Americanized name, and she's kept her real name a closely-guarded secret. Except it's on her credit card, which she used to pay for IMDbPro.

    2. Re:What about the rest of the Internet? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Because if IMDB was able to find this lady's age, surely there are many other sources on the Internet able to do the same thing. Does that mean she's going to sue every single source out there that happens to list her accurate information?

      Most other sources on the internet wouldn't have access to her real name and so on from her credit card details.

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  59. Litigious Bee-Itch by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 0

    I think Hollywood will be more concerned about her being a litigious Bee-Itch than her age.

    If she is talented enough age doesn't matter. There are plenty of roles for older actressess.

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  60. Sigh by slasho81 · · Score: 2

    It's Nicole Bilderback, born June 10, 1975

    Obvious publicity stunt.

    1. Re:Sigh by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      A quote from her IMDB page:
      "There are unlimited possibilities. We create everything in our lives, the good and the bad. There is never anyone to blame or point fingers. Only we are responsible for our actions and feelings.There is no such thing as bad occurrences...they just are. It's merely a result of a choice you have made"

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    2. Re:Sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also:

      "She also has a passionate interest in psychology/human behavior, quantum mechanics, and a side hobby of creating her own quotes."

      Was IMDB just hacked, or has Nichole Bilderback just become my new favorite actress?

    3. Re:Sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Up-and-coming actress for 15 years? I don't think age is her biggest enemy.

    4. Re:Sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Her latest work "The Bourne Stupidity".

      I'm not making that up.

    5. Re:Sigh by Digana · · Score: 1

      How do you know? I'm surprised I had to dig this deep in the comments to find out.

    6. Re:Sigh by cnxsoft · · Score: 1

      She should also sue Wikipedia then: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicole_Bilderback and Facebook: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicole_Bilderback although the last two may have taken it from imdb.

    7. Re:Sigh by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      It's Nicole Bilderback, born June 10, 1975 Obvious publicity stunt.

      Duh, if she's born on June 10, 1975 then she's only 36 so she can't be suing them for saying she was 40.

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    8. Re:Sigh by bytta · · Score: 1
      A good guess, but unlikely.
      Her wikipedia page has had her birth date on it since it was first written over 2 years ago.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nicole_Bilderback&oldid=313831653

    9. Re:Sigh by bytta · · Score: 1

      I stand corrected.
      TFA says she signed up for IMDb Pro in 2008, so she still fits the description.

    10. Re:Sigh by slasho81 · · Score: 1

      Suing for saying she was approaching 40.

    11. Re:Sigh by multimed · · Score: 1

      Fuck. That's not old, she's about my age and I'm most certainly not approaching 40...Ah Fuck.

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    12. Re:Sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      May not be a publicity stunt. If they pulled her age using CC info she has a legitimate complaint, I don't care what the user agreement says. As far as "up-and-coming," well, I think she's beyond the up-and-coming point, although I'll grant "lesser-known." Personally, I think she's hurt herself with fans because of her Americanized name. I recognized the name but could not picture her face, even though I've seen a lot of things she's been in. I have to wonder if difficulty connecting her face to her name isn't as much to blame for any career limitations as her race or age. Honestly, she has a face that could easily play a teenager (even at 40) or an octogenarian.

    13. Re:Sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She's at least half Oriental.

      I'd fuck her.

  61. wikipedia is next by utkonos · · Score: 0

    So, is everyone going to start suing wikipedia next for revealing their date of birth among other information?

  62. Luke Perry was 27 and he played a high schooler by Snotman · · Score: 1

    He definitely was too old. Thank gawd there was no IMDb for him or he may not have landed his role in 90210.

    1. Re:Luke Perry was 27 and he played a high schooler by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, and people believed he was a teenager like they believe in Santa.

  63. Is she implying... by Deadstick · · Score: 0

    ...that producers take the word of a candidate's agent when they want to know her age? And they don't, y'know, look at a picture?

    rj

  64. The whole story... by pwileyii · · Score: 5, Informative

    I read this article yesterday and if I understand correctly, the problem isn't that her age was revealed, but that the personal information she used when signing up for the site was used to get that information. If true, this seems to be a complete misuse of her personal information. I think ultimately, Amazon will have to provide evidence that they obtained this information from another source or convince the judge that it was within their rights according to the site's user agreement to use the information in this manner.

    1. Re:The whole story... by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      How is this a misuse? DoB is a public record, a fact. It should not matter where facts come from.

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    2. Re:The whole story... by martin-boundary · · Score: 1
      Your safe combination is 12345, that's a fact (I know, I didn't see that one coming either).

      Does it matter I got this fact from you by breaking into your house in the middle of the night, tying you to a chair, slicing your ear off and dousing you with petrol?

    3. Re:The whole story... by MarkGriz · · Score: 1

      Not to discount the alledged privacy breach here, but seriously, who the f*ck puts their actually birthday on a website registration.

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    4. Re:The whole story... by Xacid · · Score: 1

      Your SSN is also a fact. May I have that?

    5. Re:The whole story... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Your SSN is also a fact. May I have that?

      So are his bank and credit card details and passwords/PIN codes. Not to mention his medical records. So no problem in those being publicly available either...

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    6. Re:The whole story... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Not to discount the alledged privacy breach here, but seriously, who the f*ck puts their actually birthday on a website registration.

      Someone who expects it not to be revealed publicly without their permission?

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    7. Re:The whole story... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which means as we speak/type, Amazon is busily finding some secondary source that happens to have her age so they can point to that and say "see - we totally got it from here and not there"

  65. Trolling in the summary by bickle · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "So is her career dependent on lies?"

    Wow, trolling in the summary?

    /sigh

    1. Re:Trolling in the summary by Syberz · · Score: 1

      Taco, we miss you :'(

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  66. There are laws about that by sjbe · · Score: 1

    So what exactly stops all the other employers out there from just classifying their employees as "contractors" and thereby ignore the entire labyrinthine system of employment law?

    Because there are laws which determine whether a contractor is de-facto an employee regardless of what the employer chooses to call them. There are a set of criteria which are easy to find which are used by regulatory agencies including the IRS. Microsoft actually lost a class action lawsuit a few years back for trying to classify a large percentage of their work force as contractors when they were effectively full time employees in every meaningful respect otherwise. Cost Microsoft quite a bit of money in back pay and benefits as I recall.

    1. Re:There are laws about that by DriedClexler · · Score: 1

      Interesting. I know a lot of employees where I work (aerospace engineering) that are classified as contractors, and indeed are sent there via a contracting agency (that they display on the employee badge), and yet they work there full time, for pretty long (indefinite) periods. And they're exempt from all the politically correct training that directs have to go through.

      Seems it's quite easy to count someone as a contractor.

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    2. Re:There are laws about that by kelemvor4 · · Score: 1

      Interesting. I know a lot of employees where I work (aerospace engineering) that are classified as contractors, and indeed are sent there via a contracting agency (that they display on the employee badge), and yet they work there full time, for pretty long (indefinite) periods. And they're exempt from all the politically correct training that directs have to go through.

      Seems it's quite easy to count someone as a contractor.

      They are employees of a contracting agency rather than the aerospace firm. The agency pays the taxes/benefits where necessary, and the agency's employees aren't bound by the same rules that the aerospace firms' are.

    3. Re:There are laws about that by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      Most likely they are employees of the contracting agency.

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    4. Re:There are laws about that by sjbe · · Score: 1

      Interesting. I know a lot of employees where I work (aerospace engineering) that are classified as contractors, and indeed are sent there via a contracting agency (that they display on the employee badge), and yet they work there full time, for pretty long (indefinite) periods. And they're exempt from all the politically correct training that directs have to go through.

      It's ok to do that but at some point if they are doing similar work to the regular employees with similar experience and time with the company then the company is generally obligated to give them similar compensation. The line for when this occurs is pretty fuzzy. Whether that is a good thing or a bad thing probably depends on your particular circumstance and values.

      Seems it's quite easy to count someone as a contractor.

      It is. And that is generally a good thing. But if the company abuses it they open themselves to lawsuits. And believe me, someone will eventually sue.

    5. Re:There are laws about that by DriedClexler · · Score: 1

      It's ok to do that but at some point if they are doing similar work to the regular employees with similar experience and time with the company then the company is generally obligated to give them similar compensation.

      That's exactly what they do here (the same work as directs), and the issue was discrimination law, not compensation.

      Are you actually familiar with the intricacies of this topic, or are you just guessing?

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    6. Re:There are laws about that by sjbe · · Score: 1

      Are you actually familiar with the intricacies of this topic, or are you just guessing?

      I'm a controller (accountant) in my day job and have had to handle HR duties for several companies over the years including my current one. I wouldn't say I'm an expert but due to my job duties I'm more familiar with some of the nuances of HR than I ever really cared to be.

  67. People who can't spell her name know who she is... by _0xd0ad · · Score: 1

    That just proves his point even better.

  68. Obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  69. Employment Papers by gubers33 · · Score: 1

    Wouldn't she have to fill out her actual age on her I-9 and employment papers to begin with? I mean for her to legally get paid for acting she has to give her real age.

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    1. Re:Employment Papers by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't she have to fill out her actual age on her I-9 and employment papers to begin with? I mean for her to legally get paid for acting she has to give her real age.

      So everyone's employment and tax records should also be publicly available?

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  70. One guess by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 1

    Nicole Bilderback meets the known criteria. Asian ethnicity with American/European name, lives in Texas, age 38, various minor parts in TV & movies. If it's her, then her publicity agent probably put her up to it in a last gasp attempt to avoid remaining just another bit part player...

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    1. Re:One guess by JMJimmy · · Score: 3, Informative

      The person in question's imdb profile only goes back to 2003 (see comment below about the Korean Harold article). Also Nicole is still getting work and her age has also been listed in her Wiki profile for some time.

    2. Re:One guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Her Myspace page also has her day of birth, including the year, so if it is her, she should sure them too... which would be a pretty weird move, if she posted that information herself.

    3. Re:One guess by Endo13 · · Score: 1

      It could be Nicole. Her resume on IMDB lists her age range as 22-34... which is definitely a few years under her actual age of 36 as stated on the main page of her profile. It lists her latest role from this year so it is "up-to-date".

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  71. Re:Out of work, think I'll sue someone by kkikuta · · Score: 1

    Yes, it would also certainly make sense that a nobody would be trying to sue in the first place. She should be flattered that she was posted on imdb in the first place, as there are many less known actors that don't even have a picture of themselves up.

  72. Not actually frivolous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It turns out she kinda has a good point. Her age posted on imdb was not gleaned from public records. Rather, imdb allegedly took her credit card info of her as a member, and then put that information on the public site. If true, that is pretty shady on imdb's part. You can debate agism and casting practices and lying on applications all you want, but that little nugget really sounds crooked.

    If true.

    1. Re:Not actually frivolous by _0xd0ad · · Score: 1

      No, they took the information (which included her real, non-fake, non-screen name)... and once they had her real name, they did a public records search.

      Whether or not the fact that her screen name was not her real name should have been considered confidential, or whether her real name should have been confidential, is less black-and-white.

  73. Summary and Article Misses the Real Problem by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 5, Informative

    The article barely touches on the real problem here - she paid for an "IMDb Pro" account and Amazon used that info to pull an "above the line" credit report on her. These "above the line" reports contain: name, mother's maiden name, date of birth, sex, address, prior addresses, telephone number, and the Social Security Number and have no legal protection. That's where they got her age from.

    So she basically paid Amazon and they used the billing information for purposes other than which she intended. That's the kind of shit that makes me never want to pay for anything on the net - and only use cash in real life too.

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    1. Re:Summary and Article Misses the Real Problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod this guy up, this is what the root of the problem is.

      In Hollywood you have to lie about your age to get work.

      That Amazon went and did this extra step without her consent or explaining that they'd do so is screwed up.

    2. Re:Summary and Article Misses the Real Problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That is what she says in the complaint. She signed up for IMDBPro only in 2008. Her Wikipedia page has had her DoB since 2005:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nicole_Bilderback&oldid=9864935

    3. Re:Summary and Article Misses the Real Problem by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      It is not Nicole Bilderback. Even if she hadn't personally denied it, she's an established actress. Not A-list but she's got credits going back to the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air - that does not qualify as "up and coming."

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    4. Re:Summary and Article Misses the Real Problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is why I am impressed by bitcoin.

      It is possible to de-annoynmise transactions if some of your addresses are made public though.

    5. Re:Summary and Article Misses the Real Problem by JediOSU · · Score: 1

      ... and only use cash in real life too.

      avoid Louisiana...

  74. Seriously by shoehornjob · · Score: 1

    You're joking right? Why is this news for nerds. I could care less if some over the hill drama queen is suing Amazon for posting her age. Per the submission, all of hollywood is built on lies.

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    1. Re:Seriously by LWATCDR · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually it is just missed place. They tagged it censorship but it should be privacy or YRO.
      The claim is that they got the data from her credit card info when she subscribed to the service. That has some nerd/tech ramifications in the privacy category.
      Not as wack-a-doodle off the nerd track as the story about the stock holders trying kick out Murdock from News Corp. That was pure finance.

       

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    2. Re:Seriously by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      > That has some nerd/tech ramifications in the privacy category.

      No, it's just a breach of contract claim.

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    3. Re:Seriously by Desler · · Score: 1

      That has some nerd/tech ramifications in the privacy category.

      Why? DOB is a matter of public record. For less than 50 bucks you can find the DOB of pretty much anyone you want.

    4. Re:Seriously by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *If* you know their name. Their *real* name. Their *legal* name.

      Which, apparently, was only on this actress's credit card.

    5. Re:Seriously by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Not as wack-a-doodle off the nerd track as the story about the stock holders trying kick out Murdock from News Corp. That was pure finance.

      Funny how right wingers get all pissy about anti-Murdoch stories. The media is an area of great interest to everyone, especially nerds, as you can't pigeonhole it into electronic v. print.

      And would you just say that stories about copyright were "pure law" and should be excluded?

      Also, this siteis "stuff that matters" and not just "news for nerds". After something like 9/11 or a presidential election, do you seriously think they shouldn't be mentioned unless there was a purely tech angle to the story?

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    6. Re:Seriously by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      I am so not a right winger. If anything I tend to lean a bit left for some things. For example when people where questioning President's Obama's nationality I didn't mind the Slashdot posts blasting those that said he was a native born citizen. It got to the point that it was just getting vile and needed to be blasted.
      However you wear the costume of an"enlightened intellectual liberal". Amusing in that you are none of the above. Anyone that doesn't act the way you see fit is just evil and should be attacked at all times.

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  75. Need a "TRACK THIS STORY" button... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wish someone offered a "track this story" button.
    Eg, I would love to hear if she wins, but I will never know.

    Eliminate stupid speeding tickets.

  76. I found her! by Gavin+Scott · · Score: 1

    Pretty sure this has to be the IMDb page in question...

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000659/

    G.

  77. Really bad guesses, man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Two of those actresses are OVER forty - waaay over forty. Like, 44 and 50 over forty.

    Next!

  78. Making a stink by Daihoc · · Score: 1

    If she didn't want her age to be publicized, then perhaps she shouldn't have made a stink about it. I know more about her now than I did when her information was just on imdb.

  79. Uh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't her birth date a matter of public record? I'm assuming any studio that'd be paying her for a role would need her legal name and whatnot for tax purposes...

  80. Public record by Brett+Buck · · Score: 1

    Age is a matter of public record, a birthdate is recorded on a birth certificate. So she doesn't have a leg to stand on there.

    That IMDBPro revealed it could easily be a breach of contract, but I doubt that will go anywhere.

           

  81. Perception, not lies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > So is her career dependent on lies?

    It's commonly recognized that perception is a primary motivator in decision making.

  82. Re:In the digital era, we're all in the public eye by geekoid · · Score: 1

    Depends. Something people don't understand is that to run a country, you need to plan. To plan, you need certain information. So some information is critical for a society to change.

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  83. why "lie"? by superwiz · · Score: 1

    Sounds like her career depended on a secret rather than a lie. Those are not the same thing.

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  84. Candace Kita - I'm sure of it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    IMDB no longer lists her birthdate, but says she played a news anchor in 1991.

    Several other websites list her birthdate as 12-27-80.

    So either she played a news anchor at age 11 or the other websites have her birthdate wrong.

    She fits the other criteria too (Asian living in Texas with Americanized name)

    1. Re:Candace Kita - I'm sure of it by _0xd0ad · · Score: 1

      Never had her DOB listed in IMDb, though - not according to the Internet Archive.

      Probably lied about her age, too... not like that'd be unusual. But she can't be the Jane Doe.

  85. It's Bai Ling because.. by 2phar · · Score: 1

    the lawsuit says IMDB changed her DoB in 2008.
    Comparing Bai Ling's bio in Oct 2007 with Dec 2008, you can see that all that changes is her DoB suddenly goes back four years.
    Gotta love the archive :)

    1. Re:It's Bai Ling because.. by kelemvor4 · · Score: 1

      Bai Ling isn't "Americanized".

    2. Re:It's Bai Ling because.. by _0xd0ad · · Score: 1

      *not Americanized
      *was on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno in '97. Not exactly "unknown".

  86. Pretending..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Woah wait... An actress pretending to be something she isn't? Scandalous.

  87. Not based on lies... by holophrastic · · Score: 1

    Based on pretending to be something she's not. Welcome to acting, that's the point.

  88. Ally Maki by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ally Maki
    from http://www.dailydot.com/entertainment/asian-actress-amazon-imdb-lawsuit-age/

    1. Re:Ally Maki by _0xd0ad · · Score: 1

      Internet Archive doesn't show that IMDb has ever revealed her DOB though.

  89. Guesses? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0082169/

    Sounds western, and hails from Texas, and is currently 36 if I can do math.

    I'm sure there are other possibilities, but Wikipedia doesn't have a list of 30-something Asian-descendent film stars from Texas.

  90. Eyes Wide Shut, an erotic thriller by tepples · · Score: 1

    Tom Cruise is a porn actor?

    That depends on whether you think Eyes Wide Shut qualifies as a porno.

  91. Lies? Acting! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > So is her career dependent on lies?

    She's an actress, so... obviously yes?

  92. My money is on Margaret Cho by Kamiza+Ikioi · · Score: 1

    FTA: "The actress - referred to in court documents by the placeholder name Jane Doe - lives in Texas, is of Asian descent and has an Americanised stage name...approaching 40"

    1. All I could think of was comedian Margaret Cho http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Cho , who just turned 43. (ie. slightly lying about age for the sake of posterity?"

    2. She performed in Texas, dunno if she lives there.

    3. That's her stage name, her birth name was "Moran Cho".

    4. And she has no good movies, http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0158632/ . So maybe she considers doing all B movies "up and coming". Her pics try to make her look like a hot 20 year old. Ah, the joys of Photoshop and lawyers.

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    1. Re:My money is on Margaret Cho by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Margaret Cho isn't "Americanized" either. Can't you people read?

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  93. Not True! by Greyfox · · Score: 1

    She'll have plenty of opportunities to play the old hag on the soap operas! Oh! That's right! I went there!

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  94. Not Good Example Of Babs Effect by cmholm · · Score: 1

    Frankly, the actress in question knows she's probably already toast, hence the lawsuit to recover lost potential wages. But, it doesn't take much effort to at least try to limit the damage in the meantime. I'm guessing this is mainly an attempt to limit pollution of any potential jury pool.

    Regarding the quip in the /. abstract: "So is her career dependent on lies?"... yes, yes it is. A woman lying about her age (unless under majority) is by far one of the least of the lies told in show business. To even ask the question settles any dispute regarding @Alain Williams' gender.

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    1. Re:Not Good Example Of Babs Effect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Already been outed as (most likely) Junie Hoang. At this point her best bet is probably to drop the lawsuit* and spin the publicity to her favor as best she can. Ideally, she wants to be "that Asian actress who's 40 but looks much younger" (which is true), and this publicity might be able to bring that about.

      *if not, she's "that Asian actress who's 40 and sued Amazon for telling everyone how old she was."

    2. Re:Not Good Example Of Babs Effect by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 1

      It's too late for that as well. Her best bet now is probably to continue with the lawsuit, win some money and disappear. If she's so unknown at near 40 that nobody knows her age, she'll make more in the lawsuit than she ever will in show business. Especially now that studios know she's lawsuit-happy.

  95. Personal Break Given by cmholm · · Score: 1

    The parent is referring to actresses who established themselves in their early twenties. Most established actresses fade quickly as they approach 40. Only the creme de la creme have a shot at anything other than mother-of-the-bride rolls after that. Male actors are still marketable throughout their forties.

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  96. Public Record From Whom? by cmholm · · Score: 1

    DOB may be in the public record from public institutions in various US jurisdictions, but that doesn't give anyone who receives that information by some other means carte blache to broadcast it. Having a county registrar provide fact X != IMDB providing fact X.

    What I'd be interested in someone else digging up is exactly what IMDB's published policy is. It seems IMDB is now making it clear that they publish indentifying information from any source. I suspect that will affect the number of actors signing up for IMDB Pro, or at least cause them to seek out other payment options. I see the possibility of a niche business opening.

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  97. Public Record by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    Birth records are public record anyway, and there are tons of dead tree books that list 'famous people' and their short bio, including date of birth.

    IMDb just makes it easier to find the info. It doesn't produce the original. I say they counter sue her for 2x.

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  98. No Age Query On W-9 by cmholm · · Score: 2

    The W-9 form merely looks to match a name with a tax ID. DOB isn't a must-answer question. In fact, given anti-age discrimination statues in the US, it's really more of a "can't ask"... not that it stops prime contractors from asking. Since they aren't in a position to ask, independent contractors (eg. actors) aren't required to tell the truth.

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  99. Maybe.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For what it is worth, it's been reported that the late Gene Rayburn, who hosted Match Game back in the 1970s, watched his career pretty much tank once it got out that he was in his sixties. So maybe there's some merit to this case.

  100. Junie Hoang by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1) "Junie" is definitely Anglicized. Rather surprising she thought a minor change to her first name would hide her identity forever, but still.
    2) "Additional Voices", "Girl", "Fake Guest"... I'd still call her pretty "unknown".
    3) Work != decent parts.
    4) Anonymous is legion.

    (Name in subject line cause I'm pretty sure nobody else has mentioned it - just links. And just for the record... for a 40-year-old, she's HOT.)

  101. My SSN isn't some big secret by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sure... if I was reasonably certain you weren't going to use it to steal my identity, or give it to anyone who might. What confidence of such are you going to offer?

    FWIW I gave my SSN to someone just a few hours ago. Apparently it's needed to get a flu shot.

    1. Re:My SSN isn't some big secret by Xacid · · Score: 1

      And that's pretty much the heart of what this story is really about. It's centered around how they got a hold of such information and thus published without her consent.

  102. "..that which remains .. must be the truth." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's interesting here, is that the complaint doesn't mention any evidence that Amazon did what they're accused of. It gives evidence that Amazon could have done it, since they took a credit card order from her. And since the information has been otherwise closely guarded, there are no other possibilities (or at least Amazon is the most likely one).

    This argument isn't as stupid as it sounds like on the surface ("duh, she's probably used her credit card with hundreds of other merchants; maybe the pizza guy ratted her out") because her IMDBpro membership is tied to the stage name -- Amazon is in a unique position to associate the name on the card with the name in the movie credits.

    But the argument isn't solid either; it all rests on hard-to-disprove assertion that the information has otherwise been carefully guarded. Assuming Amazon doesn't roll over (which I think they'll do if they're guilty, and maybe do if they're not), then the only conceivable defense they'll have is that they'll have to do a lot of research (i.e. spend possibly shitloads of money) to try to find a counter-example to the assertion that the information has been closely guarded. Either way, she wins: she either collects from Amazon (deservedly so, if they're guilty), or she gets the non-Amazon leak identified at Amazon's expense.

  103. shes a crazy whore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the first thing i thought was a porn acress with an article like this then realized she wasnt a porn actress.. this is idiotic of her part to draw attention on her age when thats EXACTLY what she doesnt want people to know... at 40 she should have a real job not crack pipe dreams still from her teen ho'ish years

  104. Of course it about lies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The entire motion picture industry, regardless of location is, has been, and always will be, based on lies. So, why would you expect this woman to behave differently. It is the pond in which she swims.

  105. amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    She doesn't look a day over 39.

  106. Uh, great move there... by Eraesr · · Score: 1

    Barbra Streisand effect much?

  107. it's an industry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are two things fundamental this context: the industry of entertainment and a judicial system in place to protect capital. This woman is totally justified in protecting her livelihood. Bringing in moral questions, like calling discresion about her private self "lying," should be saved for a discussion on the fundamental elements of the context. In those discussions you will also find moral issues, like sexism, perhaps a tad more serious than dishonesty.

  108. Not the real problem... by raehl · · Score: 1

    ...I would avoid hiring anyone known to sue other people for something so trivial. Makes you wonder what they might find to sue you for.

  109. Of corse she lies, all actors 'lie' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The origin of acting is based on fabrication, what else would you call a person pretending to be something they are not? A liar? Hmmmm... very silly, wake up!

  110. Nicole Bilderback needs a life... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most Asian women are perceived as younger than they are by Western societies because they do not age the same as Caucasian women. The fact that she's coming up on 40 doesn't really matter that much - it is how attractive she is that matters and she isn't really that attractive. That isn't Amazon's fault she really has no one to blame - it is as it is. Men find younger women attractive - and women find men of all ages attractive - thus women are a sell-able commodity only when they are young and attractive, whereas women of all ages respond to men no matter their age.

    It's evolution - certainly not Amazon's problem... This little publicity hound needs to get a life...

  111. Re:In the digital era, we're all in the public eye by MightyYar · · Score: 1

    The principle that we each should be in charge of the release of our personal information is a protection for you and me as well as for aging actresses.

    What about politicians? Shouldn't an investigative reporter be allowed to muck around all they want? I would think there are some limits to privacy depending on the situation.

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  112. she should sue her parents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    for inflicting that name upon her

  113. Suggestion by rolias · · Score: 1

    I suggest she quit blaming other people and follow the Steve Martin Method.

  114. Age doesn't matter. by Restil · · Score: 1

    I would think that acting would be the one profession where pretty much anything goes. They need actors that are 6 months old and they need actors who are in their 80's. It all depends on the part, and if the part calls for a mid-40s character, they're generally going to cast mid-40s actors, or at least try. Of course, if she's trying to get acting gigs as a high school student, then I can see how that might be a turnoff.

    It has nothing to do with her age. The lack of opportunities for any "up and coming" actress will be due to an enormous amount of competition. In the end, having the "right look", the talent to get it right on the first try, and awesome networking skills will be more valuable than any hangups about your age.

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  115. Alright - Kill the messenger ... oh, wait by V+for+Vendetta · · Score: 1

    "If one is perceived to be 'over-the-hill,' i.e., approaching 40, it is nearly impossible for an up-and-coming actress, such as the plaintiff, to get work as she is thought to have less of an 'upside,' therefore, casting directors, producers, directors, agents-manager, etc. do not give her the same opportunities, regardless of her appearance or talent."'

    Well, what about going after those that obviously discriminate her rather than shooting the messenger?

  116. 40 y-o teenagers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whenever I see an US-made movie or TV episode. The supposed pre-teenage kids are 18-19 years old, the teenagers are 20-35 years old, but the supposedly old people is all 25-40 (often obviously younger then their supposed kids). Once in a while, there is also some mummified famous actor, created by horrible mad-science Hollywood cosmic surgery; you can't tell their age, because with their petrified, mask like, faces and bloated bodies, they all look like they came from a tomb (there is nothing bad about looking old, as long as you look alive (and there is nothing more beautiful then wrinkles from a life well lived), they don't).

    I guess all "old" US actors goes into voice acting, because all voices in US made animated movies, sound like they came from 40-100 year olds, evn the baby-voices.

    I got an idea, why not let actors play roles fitting their age. Then there would be work for actors of all ages. It works in many other countries (but those movies is always remade with horrible US actors, before being distributed to the US public, so you US-Americans never get to see them).