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Apple Granted Patent For Slide To Unlock

generalhavok writes "The United States Patent & Trademark Office has approved Apple's patent on the slide to unlock gesture used on iOS devices. Interestingly, this patent was earlier dismissed in Europe due to prior art. With many Android phones using a similar slide gesture, it will be interesting to see how this new patent will affect the patent wars between Apple and Android vendors."

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  1. Oh ffs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Go away apple!

    1. Re:Oh ffs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Seconded. Everybody who buys Apple products is supporting this abuse of the patent system and the market in general.

    2. Re:Oh ffs by FTWinston · · Score: 1, Troll

      Maybe I should file patents on slide-to-scroll? How about type-to-send-SMS or type-to-send-email? Surely those are equally patent-worthy?

    3. Re:Oh ffs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      System's fucked?
      They play it to fuck everyone else?
      They're as guilty as the system.

    4. Re:Oh ffs by Joce640k · · Score: 2

      Yeah, what happened to Apples "People are prepared to pay more for quality, and we're the best" philosophy.

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    5. Re:Oh ffs by Lorien_the_first_one · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Apple is gaming the system, not playing by the rules. How many ways could this be implemented in code? Thousands? Millions? There is no clear boundary with this patent and Apple is sure to apply this to Android phones as a few of them use a very similar method to unlock the phone.

      This patent is sure to hinder innovation and competition as Apple engages in business combat, not simple competition. Competition is about creating choice in the marketplace, not destroying it. Apple seems bent on destroying choice, just like Microsoft.

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    6. Re:Oh ffs by MichaelKristopeitBro · · Score: 1, Informative

      Apple is not gaming the system. Apple is playing by the rules, and the rules are utterly stupid.

      How many ways could this be implemented in code? Thousands? Millions? There is no clear boundary with this patent and Apple is sure to apply this to Android phones as a few of them use a very similar method to unlock the phone.

      This is a problem with all software patents, not just Apple's.

      This patent is sure to hinder innovation and competition as Apple engages in business combat, not simple competition. Competition is about creating choice in the marketplace, not destroying it. Apple seems bent on destroying choice, just like Microsoft.

      The USPTO is telling Apple they are allowed to do so. The outcome may be bad, but, once again, Apple is playing by the rules here. Plain and simple.

    7. Re:Oh ffs by MichaelKristopeitDad · · Score: 0, Interesting

      On a ring, the rules are you're allowed to hit someone on the face. So by doing it, you play by the rules and are not "guilty". If you did the same in the street, you'd be arrested (assuming a cop gets by). How is this different?

      They may be morally wrong or anything, but so was Eric Schmitt when he was on the Apple board, got plenty of inside information on mobile operating systems from Apple, told nothing to no one and got the best of it in his own mobile OS. So, which is wronger?

      And I'm not asking which is doing the more damage, but which is morally worse than the other?

    8. Re:Oh ffs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah, what happened to Apples "People are prepared to pay more for quality, and we're the best" philosophy.

      Did you really fall for that marketing drivel then I have a piece of moon property to sell to you.

    9. Re:Oh ffs by sosume · · Score: 4, Insightful

      AFAIK, this is the first device I've ever seen doing this.

      I have a door in my bathroom which works exactly like the described 'invention'.
      If you read the Jobs biography, it becomes clear just how delusional the man was. He claims to have invented not only the GUI, menu's, and the modern mouse but also the concept of a PC, the internet, the rectangle, fonts, and what more. If he had not existed, noone would have invented it. Looks like he dropped acid too many times.

    10. Re:Oh ffs by somersault · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Just because someone is playing by the rules doesn't mean that you should absolve them of all responsibility. The companies that try to be as douchy as they can within the rules, are more likely to just go and outright break the rules when they think they can get away with it. So far Apple don't appear to have done anything completely illegal, so they haven't quite reached the MS and Intel charged criminal levels yet, but I don't think it will be long. Well, maybe now that Steve's gone again they won't be so bad, who knows.

      There are companies that have the same rules to play by, but don't try to do things like patent a rectangle with rounded corners. Ask your brother, I'm sure he'll tell you how pathetic that is.

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    11. Re:Oh ffs by Calos · · Score: 1

      So, what's the point of having rules, if not to be used as the limit for behavior?

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    12. Re:Oh ffs by Pieroxy · · Score: 1

      Just because someone is playing by the rules doesn't mean that you should absolve them of all responsibility.

      You know, it's all about context. The thread is about whether or not Apple is abusing the patent system. Nobody is absolving them.

      The companies that try to be as douchy as they can within the rules, are more likely to just go and outright break the rules when they think they can get away with it. So far Apple don't appear to have done anything completely illegal, so they haven't quite reached the MS and Intel charged criminal levels yet, but I don't think it will be long. Well, maybe now that Steve's gone again they won't be so bad, who knows.

      There are companies that have the same rules to play by, but don't try to do things like patent a rectangle with rounded corners. Ask your brother, I'm sure he'll tell you how pathetic that is.

      Agreed.

    13. Re:Oh ffs by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      That was the NeXT philosophy, and it was only true for a very small subset of people (as shown by the fact that NeXT shipped about 50K computers in the company's entire life). A lot of the NeXT people came to Apple with Steve Jobs and took fairly senior positions. They've mostly retired now. Unfortunately, so have all of the competent pre-merger HCI people that Apple used to employ.

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    14. Re:Oh ffs by andy.ruddock · · Score: 1

      About 4:20, there's a padlock displayed on the device screen, left-to-right slide shows it unlock.

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    15. Re:Oh ffs by somersault · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Some of that stuff is delusional, but you can't argue that phone interfaces were shit until Apple released the iPhone and everyone else had to up their game. Phone hardware had been good for a while, but the UIs were awful.. often lazy companies will just stick with whatever currently sells, without trying to do better. The phone industry is especially bad for trying to squeeze blood out of stones and not really innovating.

      That's my only real defence of Apple out of the way though. All of their mobile stuff since the iPod has had an element of douchebaggery to it, something that damages or at least inconveniences consumers in some way to try and keep them locked in.

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    16. Re:Oh ffs by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      Me? Nah, I'm just asking the fanbois.

      None of these lawsuits should be surprising to people who've been paying attention. It's always been part of the iPhone business plan. See 7:36 in this video.

      Contrast with this

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    17. Re:Oh ffs by somersault · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The point is to limit what people with no morals can do, yes. It doesn't mean that everything they do within the rules is still respectable. People should be allowed to complain if they think that someone is not acting within the spirit of the law, or even if they're well within the law, but still damaging society. Patent and Copyright laws were put in place to encourage innovation, but companies such as Apple like to patent things and not even license them out to anyone that they see as a competitor. Both MS and Apple seem to revel in "destroying" their competitors, rather than competing with them.

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    18. Re:Oh ffs by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      Video is here.

      HTML? How does that work?

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    19. Re:Oh ffs by somersault · · Score: 1

      Well, MichaelKristopeitBro said things like "Blame it on the patent system, but not on apple for playing by the rules of the system" and "Apple is not gaming the system", so he does seem to be absolving them in his own head. As long as he's getting cool stuff, he doesn't care what they do.

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    20. Re:Oh ffs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or perhaps Android shouldn't have copied the swipe to unlick feature? Did you ever stop to consider that? It is not 'obvious' since prior to the iPhone, every moible phone out there typically just used a rocker switch, or a push button to wake up a phone.

    21. Re:Oh ffs by YttriumOxide · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well, maybe now that Steve's gone again they won't be so bad, who knows.

      Actually, I'd be more worried it'll get much worse without Steve Jobs around. As much as people around here don't like to admit it, Steve Jobs was a geek. Not in the über-programmer kind of way or anything like that; but he had a passion for technology and sincerely loved "cool toys" in the same way as most of us. He put the products and user experience first (whether you agree or disagree with HOW he did it; it definitely appeared he was doing so). While Apple seem to have been going further and further down the road of becoming evil incarnate, I don't put all of that blame on Mr Jobs - I'd even say some of his efforts to improve the products and user experience would have hindered the evil at times.

      In short, if Apple's overall vision changes and they stop concentrating so much on making stellar products (* again, as defined by what the masses seem to want rather than we as tinkerers and geeks), I can only see their future level of evil making their current level look like rainbows and ponies.

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    22. Re:Oh ffs by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      If you're using and profiting from a flawed system, you're guilty of supporting it. Don't make me pull a Godwin here to prove my point.

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    23. Re:Oh ffs by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      The point of rules is, or rather, should be, to allow coexistence without the perpetual need to spend/waste resources to "watch your back". Without rules and laws, I would not only have to lock my door but also group together with other people so one of us could stay at home and guard our home so nobody else moves into our territory while we're out working. That is, essentially, what laws originally were about. Conserving resources and allowing the coexistence of people who otherwise have no reason to coexist or even allow for the existence of the other one.

      That doesn't mean that laws and rules should never be challenged and questioned. Actually, they should be. Constantly. They should be closely watched and audited perpetually to see whether they serve a purpose, or whether the purpose they served has changed and hence the laws and rules need changing. Following rules without questioning them not only makes dictatorships possible in the first place, it also leads to stagnation.

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    24. Re:Oh ffs by Bert64 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      People are willing to pay more for "brand", it has very little to do with quality, providing the quality doesn't sink so low relative to the competition as to damage the brand.

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    25. Re:Oh ffs by derGoldstein · · Score: 2

      Do we really have to rehash the "legal != moral" argument again? There are *plenty* of immoral ways to make a living, legally. Most of them involve lawyers in one way or another, and all of them involve greed.

      What Schmidt did was a legal form of corporate espionage. Using patents to hinder large companies or trample small companies is a legal form of sabotage.

      I'm not saying that patents as a whole are wrong, but this example is certainly an immoral use of them.

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    26. Re:Oh ffs by Hal_Porter · · Score: 0

      People that buy Apple stuff "because it just works" are just like people who voted for Hitler because "at least he'll make the trains run on time". Worse in fact.

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    27. Re:Oh ffs by derGoldstein · · Score: 0

      A video of Steve Jobs. Why, it must have been two and a half minutes since I last saw one.

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    28. Re:Oh ffs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      So, which is wronger?

      Your grammar, apparently.

    29. Re:Oh ffs by Entrope · · Score: 2

      How many pre-iPhone mobile devices opted for high-resolution touchscreen displays as the primary input device?

      Once you choose that, you can either slide or tap a pattern to unlock. There aren't really practical alternatives.

    30. Re:Oh ffs by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Informative

      SO you don't buy Intel, AMD, Microsoft, Nokia, Motorola, Samsung, HTC, Sony, Panasonic, Kenwood, Ford, GM, Toyota, Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki, Harley Davidson, or LG products then?

      Or are you just some idiot that like to parrot what others say without actually thinking.

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    31. Re:Oh ffs by somersault · · Score: 2

      Why would I consider that? What's wrong with copying such a basic and easily implemented UI feature? Here in the EU I'm not sure that software UI patents are even valid.

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    32. Re:Oh ffs by Hal_Porter · · Score: 2

      Apple is not gaming the system. Apple is playing by the rules, and the rules are utterly stupid.

      So if you were running a concentration camp and the rules said you could kill innocent women and children, that would make it OK to do it?

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    33. Re:Oh ffs by derGoldstein · · Score: 1

      Exactly. They implemented a mechanical metaphor in a graphical UI. Kind of like a button, or a scrolling list, or drag-and-drop. So all you need is one behavior, simple though it may be, to associate with a specific event to get a patent? Then I guess Amazon was right.

      Oh, and how many times has the iPhone played catch-up to Android features? I hope the the lawsuits are on the way.

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    34. Re:Oh ffs by queBurro · · Score: 1

      Obviously I don't buy Microsoft or Sony, this is /.

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    35. Re:Oh ffs by Hal_Porter · · Score: 0

      I see Godwins as being a valid example of reductio ad absurdum which can be used to educate. Particularly when I'm talking to Apple apologists. Who all seem to be white and identically dressed in stylish black clothes.

      When's the last time you saw a black person in an Apple store? There was more racial diversity at a Nuremburg rally.

      I also think that Godwins are good because they tend to spur and empassioned debate, which is obviously good for convincing people that they are a) wrong and b) worse than Nazis and should be put in camps.

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    36. Re:Oh ffs by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      The point of rules is that they should prevent immoral people from harming other people. If they instead enable immoral people to harm other people even worse, there's something wrong with the rules.

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    37. Re:Oh ffs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would agree with you if there was a comparable competition to the iPad and iPhone. but there is none. Android is a distant second in useability, stability on the phone platform and a distant 5th on the tablet.

      Call us when google and hardware makers get off their ass and make a superior product that is brain dead easy to use by the masses that can barely figure out how to use a DVD player.

      Android completely rocks for techie people, but it sucks for the typical drooling moron user. at least apple dumbed down the interface enough that the masses can use it easily. And guess what, the majority of cellphone buyers are the dumb masses and not high IQ experienced Techies.

      Therefore Dumbed down sells better than high tech.

    38. Re:Oh ffs by cynyr · · Score: 1

      Hmm is a ring "slide to unlock"? how about the rotary unlock from CM6+? what if it starts at the edge of the screen instead of 1/8 the way in?

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    39. Re:Oh ffs by Pieroxy · · Score: 0

      When's the last time you saw a black person in an Apple store?

      Last week end.

      If you want to troll, fine, but check your goddam facts first.

    40. Re:Oh ffs by Pieroxy · · Score: 1

      Apple is not gaming the system. Apple is playing by the rules, and the rules are utterly stupid.

      So if you were running a concentration camp and the rules said you could kill innocent women and children, that would make it OK to do it?

      Did you ever learn how to read? Who said it was ok?

      Apple has this tendency to bring out the worst out of cretins like you. You jump at everyone that write a a positive word and "Apple" in the same sentence without trying to understand what the sentence is actually trying to say.

      Let's rehash this for you:

      Someone: Apple is gaming the system!
      Some other dude: No, they play by the rules! The rules are stupid!
      You: Why do you agree wholeheartedly with everything Steve Jobs has ever said and done in this life and the 27 that will follow?

      Do you see how stupid you look from outside? You didn't even try to understand any of these people. How do you pretend to be answering any of them?

      Your hate of Apple is blinding you even more than Apple zealots.

    41. Re:Oh ffs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not only their level of "evil" that will increase, it's their level of incompetence. Look at how badly Apple performed after a few years under John Sculley.

    42. Re:Oh ffs by Pieroxy · · Score: 1

      "Blame it on the patent system, but not on apple for playing by the rules of the system"

      That's answering someone that said that Apple was gaming the system. So I agree with MichaelKristopeitBro. Apple is not gaming the system. They may do all other evils combined, but they don't game the system. They play by the rules.

      "Apple is not gaming the system"

      Again, reread Lorien_the_first_one post. The answer of MichaelKristopeitBro makes absolute sense in this context. Lorien_the_first_one is not claimint Apple is doing something bad, (s)he is claiming that Apple is not playing by the rules.

    43. Re:Oh ffs by Slyfox696 · · Score: 2

      People that buy Apple stuff "because it just works" are just like people who voted for Hitler because "at least he'll make the trains run on time". Worse in fact.

      People who buy Apple products are worse than those who put in power a man who systematically murdered 6 million people of the Jewish faith, and caused many more millions of deaths in a costly war felt across the world?

      Perhaps you're exaggerating just a wee bit.

    44. Re:Oh ffs by erroneus · · Score: 1

      I can. I rather liked the Palm phones. And when it was just Palm handhelds, I rather enjoyed the Grafiti text entry system as well... very easy to get used to and still faster for me than touching a screen since I spend 1/4th of the time correcting.

      And Blackberry is also a great UI for a phone.

      I think you overestimate the value of others. I see Apple's iPhone UI as an incremental and natural enhancement as technologies progress. Apple was "first" in many things, but it doesn't make what they do particularly novel.

    45. Re:Oh ffs by E+IS+mC(Square) · · Score: 1

      Eric Schmitt was NEVER on Apple board. It was Eric Schmidt.

      And of course, that's the first time he ever saw a PHONE!! I mean, phones NEVER existed before, did they? Clear sabotage.

      Now lets hear what you think of Apple stealing everything from Xerox. The foundation of Apple is on blatant theft. If you want to throw shit at others, make sure you are not sitting on pile of it yourself.

    46. Re:Oh ffs by fafaforza · · Score: 1

      Except that you as a consumer are thrown into the ring unknowingly, and every 5th or 6th punch thrown lands on your chin.

    47. Re:Oh ffs by E+IS+mC(Square) · · Score: 4, Informative

      >> Android completely rocks for techie people, but it sucks for the typical drooling moron user.

      55% of marketshare against your superior (meh) Apple's 28% would like to disagree. But don't let facts spoil your fantasy.

    48. Re:Oh ffs by dyingtolive · · Score: 2

      I have a suitcase that is at least 30 years old. It has two knobs on either side of it. You slide them and, surprise surprise, the briefcase unlocks.

      We gotta end this "different cause it's on a computer" bullshit.

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    49. Re:Oh ffs by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      They may be morally wrong or anything, but so was Eric Schmitt when he was on the Apple board, got plenty of inside information on mobile operating systems from Apple, told nothing to no one and got the best of it in his own mobile OS.

      Do you know what a board of directors does?

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    50. Re:Oh ffs by Calos · · Score: 1

      That's more or less what I'm getting at. Adjust the rules, don't blame people for living within them.

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    51. Re:Oh ffs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eric Schmitt was NEVER on Apple board. It was Eric Schmidt.

      You're right, my bad. You'll see that the only positive thing in your entire post.

      And of course, that's the first time he ever saw a PHONE!! I mean, phones NEVER existed before, did they? Clear sabotage.

      Now lets hear what you think of Apple stealing everything from Xerox. The foundation of Apple is on blatant theft. If you want to throw shit at others, make sure you are not sitting on pile of it yourself.

      How is this related - even thinly - with the matter at hand? Please reread the entire thread and tell me how any of these sentences are related at all with anything that's been said before over here.

      Who's throwing shit? You. No one else.

    52. Re:Oh ffs by poetmatt · · Score: 1

      after others developed it? do you know that this "magic technology" existed before apple? hint: they did.

      so how is this apple who "developed it"? they're copying shit from other people.

      If you think that people in technology can't copy or shouldn't, then you don't know what technology is, in the first place. Just because we're in a ridiculous legal situation doesn't make it realistic or a good thing for business.

      Apple's customers are only people who don't know what they're buying. It's nice to see MS lose customers (as they deserve to be irrelevant), but it's not like apple actually offers something of an improvement, just that they've convinced people that it is actually better. It is like paying a premium for a car that's a year older. Have as many as you want like that. Playing people for fools is not a long term strategy. Neither are patent lawsuits.

    53. Re:Oh ffs by Bert64 · · Score: 0

      Windows was always massively inferior to MacOS (and amigaos, and unix etc) too, look how that turned out...

      Not everyone will pay more for branded goods, but some will...
      Many will simply take cheap or well marketed, even if the product is inferior.

      Those that go for branded goods are doing so for the brand, not for any superior quality... Does a rolex really tell time more accurately than a cheap watch?

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    54. Re:Oh ffs by E+IS+mC(Square) · · Score: 1

      How is it not related? An unfounded conclusion (Google could develop Android because he was on Apple board) is refuted by the historical fact to prove that even if we take your juvenile claim into consideration, it still smells of hypocrisy. Not only that, Jobs has specifically accepted how apple copied things from others. Shit, throw, pile - yes.

      But don't let me stop you from whorshipping Steve Jobs. Please continue.

    55. Re:Oh ffs by CheerfulMacFanboy · · Score: 1
      So you agree it was utterly stupid of Samsung and the others to copy the iPhone.

      Anyway: http://brianericford.tumblr.com/post/11735684801/great-artists

      I’ve always thought the “good artists copy” line was confusing, at best, so I started to think about it: What does it actually mean?

      The best possible analysis, I think, rests in the distinction between copying and stealing.

      They’re both negative concepts, at first blush, but the quote clearly indicates that stealing is better than copying.

      Those who hold the quote against Steve, given his reaction to the rise of Android, often seem to conflate the two terms, but:

      1. Copying involves reproducing something wholesale and leaving the original intact.
      2. Stealing involves taking something and making it your own; the original owner is left with nothing.

      It’s simple, really: There’s nothing bold about copying. Great artists (or designers, or whatever) take what they need and they make a product their own. But it’s also much bigger than that.

      In case you still don't get it, that was "copying"

      I’ll leave off with the source of the “good artists” quote. It’s often attributed to Pablo Picasso, but it turns out it’s a bastardized version of a quote from a T.S. Eliot essay.

      This may be the most apt description of the difference between Apple’s vision for iOS and Google’s for Android I’ve ever read. It’s also as good a summary of Steve Jobs’s legacy and genius as you’ll likely ever find:

      One of the surest tests [of the superiority or inferiority of a poet] is the way in which a poet borrows. Immature poets imitate; mature poets steal; bad poets deface what they take, and good poets make it into something better, or at least something different. The good poet welds his theft into a whole of feeling which is unique, utterly different than that from which it is torn; the bad poet throws it into something which has no cohesion. A good poet will usually borrow from authors remote in time, or alien in language, or diverse in interest.

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    56. Re:Oh ffs by zach_the_lizard · · Score: 2

      What Schmidt did was a legal form of corporate espionage. Using patents to hinder large companies or trample small companies is a legal form of sabotage.
       

      Patents have no power to do anything but hold up your competition (or make their products more expensive than your own). That's their entire purpose: legal monopoly on using a certain idea.

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    57. Re:Oh ffs by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      Apple had a few years advantage, too...

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    58. Re:Oh ffs by kelemvor4 · · Score: 1

      A video of Steve Jobs. Why, it must have been two and a half minutes since I last saw one.

      You're fortunate if it's been that long. Based on the fact that we're still hearing about Michael "pedobear" jackson, I'm guessing we've got a long road ahead of us while we continue to hear about Steve Jobs.

    59. Re:Oh ffs by dyingtolive · · Score: 1

      Are 'playing by the rules' and 'gaming the system' mutually exclusive? I never thought so.

      Besides, just because you operate within the letter of the law doesn't mean that you can't be a cocksucker about it the whole time.

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    60. Re:Oh ffs by thesh0ck · · Score: 1

      You just proved his point.

    61. Re:Oh ffs by mosb1000 · · Score: 1

      But the problem is that the slide to unlock on that device doesn't actually implement a version of apple's patent.

      The performance of the predefined gesture with respect to the unlock image may include moving the unlock image to a predefined location and/or moving the unlock image along a predefined path. The device may also display visual cues of the predefined gesture on the touch screen to remind a user of the gesture.

      The n1m presented does not include an unlock image that is moved by the user, while such an image is specified and non-optional in the patent.

      In addition, there is a need for sensory feedback to the user regarding progress towards satisfaction of a user input condition that is required for the transition to occur.

      The n1m also doesn't appear to provide any feedback to show how close the user has come to actually unlocking the phone. However, the patent does not specify that the feedback needs to be visual, so we can't be sure.

      When you're looking at prior art, you can't just look at whether the device is similar, it actually has to infringe on the granted patent. The more specific the patent is, the less likely there is any prior art.

    62. Re:Oh ffs by Joce640k · · Score: 3, Informative

      2. Stealing involves taking something and making it your own; the original owner is left with nothing.

      Ummm, not when you're stealing ideas.

      Steve Jobs' next line in the video is: "Apple has always been shameless about stealing ideas"

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    63. Re:Oh ffs by Nursie · · Score: 1

      Why not do both?

      "I was playing within the rules" is a lame excuse for being an asshole.

      As an extreme example - when slavery was legal, was it immoral and wrong to keep slaves? Hell yes, regardless of rules.

    64. Re:Oh ffs by mosb1000 · · Score: 3, Informative

      They also have a pretty strong "we'll sue you if you copy our ideas" philosophy. They've been pursuing these kind of lawsuits for quite a while, and this is nothing new.

    65. Re:Oh ffs by derGoldstein · · Score: 2

      Patents can force products off shelves. For a large company, it's usually just a speed bump. But it can easily crush a small company.

      --
      Entomologically speaking, the spider is not a bug, it's a feature.
    66. Re:Oh ffs by Dog-Cow · · Score: 2

      God-willing, you will die in a painful way that leaves your family broken-hearted and depressed forever more.

      Apple paid Xerox for use of their UI research. It's documented historical fact.

      Your irrational hate is damaging to the world and needs to be purged.

    67. Re:Oh ffs by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      Why not do both?

      "I was playing within the rules" is a lame excuse for being an asshole.

      As an extreme example - when slavery was legal, was it immoral and wrong to keep slaves? Hell yes, regardless of rules.

      Actually this is the perfect thread to trigger a Godwin.
      However I don't actually have to do it to make the point, I think.

      --
      The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
    68. Re:Oh ffs by swalve · · Score: 1

      The spirit of the law is "publish your method for the world to see, study and learn from, and in return you are granted a temporary monopoly on the idea".

    69. Re:Oh ffs by mosb1000 · · Score: 2

      In all fairness, the iPhone has been more expensive until recently (you can now get one for free with a contract) and they've available on Verizon for less than a year now. Now that they're out of their exclusivity contract, and selling them on the cheap, they should be grabbing a bigger slice.

      My roommate just upgraded her 3 year old android phone to a 4S (rather than a newer android phone) after she saw the add with Siri, and read a bunch of review that said it actually works. When she bought the other one, she couldn't get an iPhone because she has a family plan with Verizon. It's actually pretty funny, because just a week ago she was telling me how she wasn't going to be an iSheep and get the iPhone.

    70. Re:Oh ffs by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm sure I'll get modded down for criticising apple on slashdot- but - quite frankly- I'm the type of consumer Apple should be courting.

      I don't have a tablet- I'm considering a tablet. I am open minded to my options- I have no preference or alliegence at this point.

      I know everyone in the industry sues and takes rediculous patents- but Apple just goes over-the-top. They're involved in more law-suits than just about all the others combined.

      Statements from Jobs (RIP) about wanting to destroy Android even if it cost Apple all their wealth- shows the mentality within that company to stifle innovation of others.

      Apple goes beyond trying to get the best for their stockholders- the corporate policy seems damn-well belligerent.

      This is the tipping point for me- I'm no longer brand-neutral in the tablet sphere.

      From now on, I know, when I do get a tablet it won't be Apple. I cannot spend money on a product with a company who will misappropriate it.

      --
      "That's the way to do it" - Punch
    71. Re:Oh ffs by E+IS+mC(Square) · · Score: 1

      Wow - wishing somebody a painful death and then blaming him for hatred - apple fanbois are funny.

    72. Re:Oh ffs by werfele · · Score: 2

      People that buy Apple stuff "because it just works" are just like people who voted for Hitler because "at least he'll make the trains run on time". Worse in fact.

      Mussolini took credit for making the trains run on time. I'm going to hazard a guess that German trains were running on time all along.

    73. Re:Oh ffs by somersault · · Score: 1

      Blackberry is also a great UI for a phone.

      Dear gods. Blackberry is not a great UI for anything. Any time I've come in contact with BBs they have seemed utterly nonsensical. Not intuitive at all. I'm sure once you learn where everything is that you can do the things you want, in the same way that we can adapt to any interface no matter how poor - but the design doesn't jive with anything I've ever used in any other desktop or mobile OS. Even Windows Mobile was better than Blackberry stuff.

      I wasn't claiming that what Apple did was especially innovative, but the fact that they bothered to do it at all is what forced everyone else to improve, and I see that as a big bonus. Before that, I could generally do what I wanted with my phone, and I had good hardware capabilities and could download apps like putty, etc - but it was kind of cumbersome compared to what we have now.

      I always preferred physical keyboards to styluses and touchscreens. I tried a Dell Streak one day though and decided it was worth losing the keyboard for - the touchscreen keyboard isn't that bad when you have a large enough screen for it.

      --
      which is totally what she said
    74. Re:Oh ffs by E+IS+mC(Square) · · Score: 2

      >> when the other guy can't just slap it on for free after others developed it.

      Right on. And Apple's philosophy is lets other develop it, copy it, do a great PR, and offer it far more expensively. Apple is not a tech company (as you want others to believe it) as much as a sales company. But please continue with your fiction.

    75. Re:Oh ffs by somersault · · Score: 1

      What about prior art? The actual law, not to mention the spirit of the law, suggests that this patent should be invalid.

      Personally I don't think that patents should be allowed for simply making a representation of a basic hardware switch in a software UI. In fact I don't think any patents on UI design should be allowed at all. As a programmer, I don't think patents should be allowed on software either, because many of us will recreate each day as a matter of course something that someone else probably will try to patent just because they're an ass that's obsessed with money and doesn't feel bad taking advantage of idiots.

      --
      which is totally what she said
    76. Re:Oh ffs by CapuchinSeven · · Score: 1

      Yeah, Apple one of the riches companies in the world, must be quaking in the boots it walks to the bank in, as it deposits 70%+ of its overall profits that come entirely from iOS.

    77. Re:Oh ffs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Leave her out of this! And it's 'wrongerer', as any fule kno

    78. Re:Oh ffs by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Without rules and laws, I would not only have to lock my door but also group together with other people so one of us could stay at home and guard our home so nobody else moves into our territory while we're out working.

      Even with laws you have to do that. It's just generally more convenient to subcontract that task out to specialists and pay for it through taxes.

      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    79. Re:Oh ffs by E+IS+mC(Square) · · Score: 1

      Did I say that? I was merely pointing out logical fallacy in parent's post.

      But now that you have mentioned it, there must be reason why do all apple fanbois go so defensive.

    80. Re:Oh ffs by Kavafy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      2. Stealing involves taking something and making it your own; the original owner is left with nothing.

      Ummm, not when you're stealing ideas.

      Steve Jobs' next line in the video is: "Apple has always been shameless about stealing ideas"

      That would be copying ideas, then, surely? You can't steal an idea.

    81. Re:Oh ffs by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      they don't game the system. They play by the rules.

      Gaming the system is playing by the rules. Or should I say the letter of the rules, but not the spirit.

      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    82. Re:Oh ffs by GauteL · · Score: 1

      I'm a long standing Mac user. Windows was superior to MacOS from the time Windows 95 (or at the very least since NT 4.0 in 1996) came out to the time OS X 10.2 Jaguar came out (2002). In the meantime, Windows had proper multitasking and memory protection (albeit limited in 9x/ME). This only arrived for MacOS with OS X, and the first two versions of OS X was pretty poor and buggy.

      Outside these times (pre-1995 and after 2002, at least until Windows 7) MacOS was better.

    83. Re:Oh ffs by David_Hart · · Score: 1

      You know when a company has run out of ideas and has stopped innovating when they resort to law suits to protect their market...

      On the plus side, WebOS uses a random slide to unlink and not a "predefined" method. As such, WebOS should be fine. It's just too bad that HP is running it into the ground...

    84. Re:Oh ffs by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Are 'playing by the rules' and 'gaming the system' mutually exclusive? I never thought so.

      They aren't.

      To use the rules and procedures meant to protect a system in order to instead manipulate the system for a desired outcome.

      Why people think it means to break the rules is beyond me - there was already a perfectly good expression for that (would it be "breaking the rules"? - Ed).

      Seems the RDF is still alive and kicking.

      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    85. Re:Oh ffs by KingMotley · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Marketshare doesn't show quality, nor preferred product. It would only do so if everything else (price, availability, etc) remained the same.

      Using your logic, a Nissan Versa is a much better and desirable car, and everyone wants it more than say a Ferrari/Porshe/Mercedes (pick any model) because it out sells it 1000 to 1. You can keep your Versa, and I'll drive the Ferrari. Thanks.

    86. Re:Oh ffs by NitroWolf · · Score: 1

      The way I see it is that the patent was filed when the first iPhone was released but was granted only today. AFAIK, this is the first device I've ever seen doing this. And no, the N1m is no prior art at all. There is no unlocking of anything on the video, so how could it be a prior art of "slide to unlock" ?

      Blame it on the patent system, but not on apple for playing by the rules of the system.

      Really? The first device you've ever seen doing this? I guess you've never see a bathroom stall in a public place with a SLIDE TO LOCK. Or maybe you've never flown on an airliner and use the lavatory with a SLIDE TO LOCK.

      I mean, you can be forgiven for that, since locks on doors and other devices that SLIDE TO LOCK & UNLOCK have only been around a few thousand years.

    87. Re:Oh ffs by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      You know when a company has run out of ideas and has stopped innovating when they resort to law suits to protect their market...

      Name me a big successful innovative company that doesn't patent what it can and defend those patents.

    88. Re:Oh ffs by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Yeah, what happened to Apples "People are prepared to pay more for quality, and we're the best" philosophy.

      You put that in quotes. Could you point me to where Apple said that was their philosophy. Thanks.

    89. Re:Oh ffs by shmlco · · Score: 1

      "Those that go for branded goods are doing so for the brand, not for any superior quality"

      Android is a brand, too. Is it not?

      "Does a rolex really tell time more accurately than a cheap watch?"

      Is it made of better materials? (Stainless Steel or Gold vs plastic) Is the design better? Is the manufacturing better? Is the quality better? People pay for those things, and you don't develop a high-end brand selling shoddy goods.

      There's no truer example of this than Intel's Unltrabook initiative. Manufacturer's are trying to clone the Air, and their prices are ending up to be about the same -- if not more. Using better materials (metal and not plastic) and building to the same quality levels (CNC cases, size, weight) simply costs more money.

      In fact, trying to produce quality goods AND meet the Air's price point had some manufacturers going to Intel and asking them to sell them processors at half price.

      --
      Any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so.
    90. Re:Oh ffs by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      after others developed it? do you know that this "magic technology" existed before apple? hint: they did.

      If it did, then that's prior art, and the patent can be made invalid. So what are you worried about?

      Of course you'd have to be specific, so what specifically are you claiming is prior art, and where was it to be seen?

    91. Re:Oh ffs by shmlco · · Score: 2

      Given that Android is sold by dozens of handset manufacturers on about twice as many carriers in more countries... that number seems about right.

      But don't let facts spoil your fantasy.

      --
      Any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so.
    92. Re:Oh ffs by shmlco · · Score: 1

      "That was the NeXT philosophy, and it was only true for a very small subset of people..."

      NeXT was selling $10,000 workstation-class machines to people used to buying Suns.

      So yeah, a very small subset of people...

      --
      Any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so.
    93. Re:Oh ffs by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Apple's customers are only people who don't know what they're buying.

      I dare say I know better than you what I'm buying and why I'm buying it. Just because people make different decisions from you doesn't make them fools.

      Being incapable of seeing why so many people find Apple to be the best solution for them probably does mark you out as a fool though.

    94. Re:Oh ffs by bhagwad · · Score: 1

      I will blame Apple. I'm not saying what Apple is doing is illegal. I'm saying they're a jerk. They're not being "nice." And that costs them goodwill. People don't like companies which don't do "nice" things.

    95. Re:Oh ffs by Dyinobal · · Score: 1

      I dunno have you ever met a really fanatic apple fanboy?

    96. Re:Oh ffs by Pieroxy · · Score: 1

      Hmmm. I must have a reading disorder then. Can you tell me what his point was? 'cause there are plenty of black people in the various Apple stores I've been so far.

    97. Re:Oh ffs by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      A brand is a promise of quality. Period. A worth of a brand is created by making yourself a reputation for selling quality products. The worth of a brand is lost when if you start shipping products that are not quality.

      To say "it has very little to do with quality" means you don't have the first idea what a brand is.

    98. Re:Oh ffs by pruss · · Score: 1

      You can get Graffiti for Android at least, if you think it's faster than typing. (I don't think it's faster than Swype, which is what I normally use on my Android device.)

    99. Re:Oh ffs by Pieroxy · · Score: 1

      Point taken.

    100. Re:Oh ffs by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      Who owns the moon? How long before someone claims it and we have a war on Earth because of it? Can I buy a piece? I think we should conquer the Moon!

      --
      I object to power without constructive purpose. --Spock
    101. Re:Oh ffs by Jerry · · Score: 2

      Ah, you've spoiled his mental mind games by citing facts.

      I was given an iPod 4 Touch for Xmas last year. The shine came off the Apple when I realized that I would have to send my iPod to Apple, along with $138, and not be able to use it for a few weeks, merely to replace the battery!!! I can buy a replacement battery for an Android phone for $5 and do it myself in 30 seconds. The Apple rotted when my grandson dropped it and cracked the glass. I wasn't concerned until I discovered that my $90 "insurance" policy didn't cover replacing broken glass. It would be cheaper to buy a new iPod than fix it, which is what Apple probably had in mind when they used such a fragile material for a touch screen and made the battery a non-user serviceable item.

      --

      Running with Linux for over 20 years!

    102. Re:Oh ffs by datavirtue · · Score: 0

      No, but the US put a man in power who killed 8 million of his own people, and help repatriate them to boot.

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      I object to power without constructive purpose. --Spock
    103. Re:Oh ffs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Google could develop Android because he was on Apple board"

      That was not the conclusion, so I guess I start to see where you disagree with me. Reading disorder.

      "whorshipping Steve Jobs"

      You know, I am not an Apple fan. But while Apple fanboys are supremely stupid, they are bested by all the horde of Apple haters. By a long shot.

      But don't let me stop you from hating Steve Jobs. Please continue.

    104. Re:Oh ffs by BasilBrush · · Score: 2

      Does a rolex really tell time more accurately than a cheap watch?

      When it made it's brand name, yes. In the days of quartz watches it may be difficult to remember, and many won't be old enough to remember, that watches used to only be an approximation. You'd get any bunch of people and the time on their wrist watches would vary. Up to about 5 minutes usually. Thus the classic scene before any commando or heist scene in a film: "Synchronize watches". That really used to happen.

      And the guy that got to call his time the right time, by which other people would set their watch was obviously in a more powerful position. That's where the tradition of people who wanted to be leaders/managers paying serious money to get a more accurate watch came from.

      For sure since cheap quartz watches came along that justification died. But the tradition that leaders buy expensive brands of watches continues as a status symbol. Now you can pretty much consider them to be jewellery with civilian implications of rank. But note, Rolex is still high quality. Its just that that is not expressed in terms of time keeping accuracy any more, because all watches are accurate. If Rolex ever let the quality drop - if they ever became known to be inaccurate; to use inferior materials; to easily break or tarnish - then Rolex would lose the quality of their brand, and people wouldn't buy them any more.

      But where's the relevance to computers/phones and tablets? Whilst watches don't have a differentiating factor on their single function - telling the time - computers/phones and tablets still do. They perform many functions and they don't all perform equally well in them. This market is relevant to the pre-quartz era of watches, not the post-quartz era.

    105. Re:Oh ffs by Slyfox696 · · Score: 1

      No, but the US put a man in power who killed 8 million of his own people, and help repatriate them to boot.

      I don't think people who bought Apple products did that. Not really sure what your point here is.

    106. Re:Oh ffs by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      There must be a reason why Apple haters think "boy" is spelled with a i. Perhaps they are the same pretentious idiots that think that boxes is spelled "boxen".

      There's your real sheep. The ones that follow on with spelling things wrong just because people they've read before misspelled it too. Idiots that don't even know why they are deliberately misspelling something, they are just following.

    107. Re:Oh ffs by E+IS+mC(Square) · · Score: 1

      I never said anything about quality (though I do not agree that Shiny = Better quality, but that's a different discussion). The parent's point was that Android is only for techies and not for masses, but Android's popularity and a hefty market share proves it wrong, and I just mentioned that.

      Reading comprehension is passe?

    108. Re:Oh ffs by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Prada, Louis Vetton,etc ... i.e. all the fashion houses no Patents, No copyright, only trademarks .. and they seem to making plenty of money

      Actually they are making more profit than most tech companies, is this because their legal bills are smaller?

      --
      Puteulanus fenestra mortis
    109. Re:Oh ffs by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      The P900 was a touch screen device that pre-dated iPhone. It's unlock was via a physical buttons (specifically a combined jog dial/button on the edge). And of course your classic phone unlock is by pressing two physical button in sequence. So there's a third alternative, considering most (all? ) Android have physical buttons.

      The palm-pilot just used to use the power button. Most all devices have one of those.

      On a device with only a touchscreen, and I don't thing there are many (even the iPhone/iPad has multiple physical buttons), you have any two dimensional gesture and combination of them possible. And an infinite variety of ways that might be represented by graphics and animation on screen.

      Sorry, but Apple does appear to have been first to use slide to unlock. There were touchscreen devices before and they didn't use it. And there are other alternatives for unlocking.

      There's simply no argument that other companies must do it the same way because there's no alternative.

    110. Re:Oh ffs by anonymov · · Score: 1

      Nope.

    111. Re:Oh ffs by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Oh, and how many times has the iPhone played catch-up to Android features? I hope the the lawsuits are on the way.

      I don't know. I can't think of any. Please provide a few examples if you believe that there are Android (Google) patents that iPhone has infringed.

    112. Re:Oh ffs by anonymov · · Score: 1

      Oh, nevermind, it's not ratified by anyone significant. You should hurry up with sending that doomsday laser up there, then.

    113. Re:Oh ffs by quacking+duck · · Score: 1

      Blame the insane IP laws for the state of tech litigation.

      IIRC fashionwear is explicitly exempt from copyright ie you can't protect a design from being copied (the templates to produce them, maybe can, just like you can't copyright old music but can copyright the sheet music to it and a performance itself).

      I believe anti-counterfeiting laws work around this by saying even if it's not labeled Rolex or other major brand, the style and lettering is similar enough to violate trademarks--which are of course protected.

    114. Re:Oh ffs by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      I'm trying to spot the true statement in your post and I can't find it.

    115. Re:Oh ffs by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Blackberry is great for email, but the web is horrible on it - especially in the state it was in when the iPhone launched. Mobile browsers on the whole were very weak compared to mobile Safari.

      --
      W..w..W - Willy Waterloo washes Warren Wiggins who is washing Waldo Woo.
    116. Re:Oh ffs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, you must be new^H^H^H^H^H^H have been too long here, now everyone on slashdot enjoys a good apple bashing, after all they've become the new microsoft...

    117. Re:Oh ffs by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      I see what you're saying there. You're saying that since two tin cans with a string existed since way back when, Alexander Graham Bell was evil for patenting the telephone.

    118. Re:Oh ffs by BasilBrush · · Score: 0

      From now on, I know, when I do get a tablet it won't be Apple.

      I'm sure Apple will be surprised and upset that a slashdotter declared he isn't going to buy one of their products.

    119. Re:Oh ffs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ROFL. Yeah, if you put 50 different phones up against two models, and give half of them away for free or next to it, you, too, can win the market share battle.

      Good luck with that, yo.

    120. Re:Oh ffs by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Prada, Louis Vetton,etc ... i.e. all the fashion houses no Patents, No copyright, only trademarks .. and they seem to making plenty of money

      They would apply for any IP registration that protected them. They are not choosing for their industry to be exempt from patents and copyright.

      Actually they are making more profit than most tech companies

      It's because the difference between cost of manufacture and selling price is bigger.

    121. Re:Oh ffs by HermMunster · · Score: 1

      This is a ridiculous patent. It doesn't pass the obviousness test. Did Apple buy off the auditor handling this case? How on earth could a patent like that be granted with such obvious mechanisms. Everyone needs to challenge this and bury Apple in paperwork on this patent.

      --
      You can lead a man with reason but you can't make him think.
    122. Re:Oh ffs by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      NeXT was selling $10,000 workstation-class machines to people used to buying Suns.

      IIRC, the NeXTcube was about $10,000 (with the features changing, but not the price, between the successive models), but the NeXTstation introduced about the same time as the second NeXTcube (when they added color) was ~$3,000.

      Not that this really contradicts your basic point.

    123. Re:Oh ffs by drjoe1e6 · · Score: 1

      I like my Nissan Versa, you insensitive clod!

      But seriously, it fits my needs and my budget much better than the Porsche. There's a reason it is more popular.

      --
      Lose = not win ...... Loose = not tight
    124. Re:Oh ffs by erroneus · · Score: 1

      I agree on the web thing. But you know, the main thing preventing a rich web experience is battery power and life. Prior to the iPhone, the answer was to make the content less rich and the phone less powerful as battery life was thought to be important... also the size of the phone. The iPhone proved that battery life wasn't so important after all as its power-sucking applications and hardware could barely keep a phone running a full day and often less.

      The trade-off is still a valid concern. Android users experience this even now as it's not a question of users wanting it or not so much as the limitations of today's technology... especially power technology. Apple didn't innovate this -- the offered something other makers were reluctant to offer.

    125. Re:Oh ffs by scot4875 · · Score: 1

      This isn't a defensive patent. It's purely offensive, and there was tons of prior art. (My girlfriend's phone with a touchscreen and sliding keyboard had drag-to-unlock years before the first iPhone).

      This is a perfect example of a bad patent.

      --Jeremy

      --
      Jesus was a liberal
    126. Re:Oh ffs by yabos · · Score: 1

      Not saying this should be patentable, but did any other phones have slide to unlock before the iPhone? I certainly don't know of any.

    127. Re:Oh ffs by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 1

      Yeah, what happened to Apples "People are prepared to pay more for quality, and we're the best" philosophy.

      Those people are busy at home watching old movies on their Sony Betamaxs.

      --
      "It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
    128. Re:Oh ffs by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 1

      From now on, I know, when I do get a tablet it won't be Apple.

      And you won't be able to unlock it to use it afterwards.

      --
      "It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
    129. Re:Oh ffs by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      ... and I'm sure you're right. One consumer doesn't matter to them.

      If I'm just a lone "weirdo" then it is no problem to them- if there are a bunch of people like me who react to Apple's continuing barrage of legal nonsense then they would care- and perhaps be a bit more sensible.

      I suspect most people who dislike what apple are doing would dislike apple anyway just because they are apple.

      I'm not traditionally an apple-basher. I was an apple neutral- I've become increasingly annoyed by their legal shenanigans. I don't know how many "neutrals" like me are being turned away from them.

      --
      "That's the way to do it" - Punch
    130. Re:Oh ffs by E+IS+mC(Square) · · Score: 1

      And this is modded positive. Way to slashdot.

    131. Re:Oh ffs by E+IS+mC(Square) · · Score: 1

      Patents != features.

      And talking about features, does drop down notifications ring a bell? I guess not.

    132. Re:Oh ffs by E+IS+mC(Square) · · Score: 1

      >> Steve Jobs was a geek

      Sorry, he was just a salesman. A good one, but just a salesman. Woz on the other hand... wait, what? Oh, you have not heard of him?

    133. Re:Oh ffs by blackest_k · · Score: 1

      open moko linux running on a htc universal from the sdcard used the slide to unlock gesture on the touch screen, there must be records of it on xda developers and i'm pretty sure that is older than the iphone

      Lots of things didnt work but that unlock gesture did.

    134. Re:Oh ffs by blackest_k · · Score: 1

      sorry no open moko or opie did it earlier

      http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=304826 windows mobile april 1st 2007 version 1 presumably there are earlier alpha beta's
      qtopia had it in 2007
      http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=251584&page=179

      The first iPhone was unveiled by former Apple CEO Steve Jobs on January 9, 2007 and released on June 29, 2007 seems slide to unlock was available for windows mobile 2 months before the first iphone was released

    135. Re:Oh ffs by Medievalist · · Score: 1

      If I had mod points I'd use one on your post.

      But I don't, so I will content myself with observing that it is now a power and status statement (outside hardcore geek circles, anyway) to be incompetent in the use of the computer you have.

      The most powerful CEOs rarely answer their own email, for example; they usually have secretaries because they can't spell, can't use grammar correctly, and don't know how to program the insanely powerful status-symbol computer on their desk.

    136. Re:Oh ffs by DeeEff · · Score: 2

      I think the difference here being that AMD, Motorola, GM, Ford and others don't proactively find ways to patent shit that any child could have come up with given a touchscreen phone (or other assorted technology).

      It's not about parroting what others say, it's about the fact that Apple is patenting trivial garbage, on top of proactively seeking lawsuits to stifle competitors and force themselves into a pseudo-monopoly.

      Maybe if you stopped hastily generalizing everything you could avoid looking like "some idiot that like(s) to parrot what others say without actually thinking". There is more to the problem than a broken, trivial, meaningless patent.

      Also, one more thing: Goddamnit America! Fix your damn patent system! Canadians don't get many new phones and this is only making things worse.

    137. Re:Oh ffs by mobby_6kl · · Score: 1

      What's retarded about the whole thing is that "slide to unlock" is hardly an innovation worth protecting by granting the "inventor" an artificial monopoly on its usage. Car analogy: should whoever first came up with a circular steering wheel be getting royalties from anyone having the same model of steering input?

      On a personal note, I hope Apple does go after anyone using slide to unlock on a capacitative screen, it's a very annoying and pointless step. It was necessary for keypad phones since by default they could be activated by any key, but that's not the case with touchscreens.

    138. Re:Oh ffs by yurtinus · · Score: 1

      ...No it's because they have managed to market themselves a name that people will buy. They don't really innovate any new methods, just slap their name on the side of some design and charge a fortune for it.

      But good job bringing up the fashion industry as a counterpoint to the tech industry. 'Cause... y'know... they have so much in common.............

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    139. Re:Oh ffs by bickle · · Score: 1

      I think his point is that he's an insane zealot that loves hyperbole.

    140. Re:Oh ffs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Regarding your steering wheel analogy, it would be difficult to steer a car with any other shape of steering wheel unless one used a joystick of some sort. It is an obvious design choice. The analogy doesn't care over for slide to unlock since previous methods to wake up a phone had existed for years (switches, clamshells, power buttons, etc), and none of them used it or needed slide to unlock. It is a non-obvoius patent.

    141. Re:Oh ffs by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      Apple is being two-faced no matter what you call it.

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    142. Re:Oh ffs by BasilBrush · · Score: 2

      The first iPhone was unveiled by former Apple CEO Steve Jobs on January 9, 2007 and released on June 29, 2007 seems slide to unlock was available for windows mobile 2 months before the first iphone was released

      Release date has precisely nothing to do with it. Neither morally, nor as far as patents are concerned. Who copied is based on who showed it first, not who sold it first. (not that I imagine either of the things you link to were ever sold or shipped on a sold device.)

      As you point out, slide to unlock was demonstrated Jan 2007. Both the things you link to date from after that demo, and were obviously me-too copies. They are not prior art by any stretch of the imagination.

    143. Re:Oh ffs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except of course for the same buttons, toggles, and switches they've been using for years, and still do on many models.

      Claiming this is a necessary feature to unlock is a hard sell since most don't even use it except for a few Android models. The patent is very specific, with a pre-defined path and a graphics that follows under the finger while swiping. Random patterns, undefined paths and unlock schemes of that sort are not in conflict with this patent.

    144. Re:Oh ffs by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Thats true. But I don't think it's anything new. They never used to type on typewriters either. I dare say they never got ink on their hands from ledgers and quill pens either.

      To be fair, it would be a massive waste of their time to be programming the computer on their desk. Their job is something other than that.

      And the most powerful CEOs probably couldn't deal with the volume of email themselves. Their secretary acts a filter and a delegate for those emails a CEO doesn't need to see. Heck your average office jockey sometimes becomes overwhelmed with the quantity of emails in their inbox. Especially before and after vacation.

      But I think it's more than that. I think many think rightly or wrongly that keeping a certain distance from day-to-day detail gives them more perspective on more strategic issues, and more time to network and do business deals (and consume first class champers of course).

    145. Re:Oh ffs by Totenglocke · · Score: 1

      They have an even stronger "Well sue you for trying to compete with us" philosophy, including getting bogus patents where prior art has been around for several years.

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    146. Re:Oh ffs by Totenglocke · · Score: 1

      If I recall correctly, Lord Jobs (may he burn in hell) used those exacts words (that people are willing to pay more for quality, thus why they buy overprices Apple products) several times in interviews.

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    147. Re:Oh ffs by Hotweed+Music · · Score: 0

      Yeah, just hide in a corner and don't speak your mind because the blind masses will buy them anyway. /s

    148. Re:Oh ffs by blackest_k · · Score: 1

      how about the Neonode N1m from 2005 not prior art? certainly the judge in the netherlands who was shown this decided it was.

      http://www.androidcentral.com/apple-granted-patent-slide-unlock-even-though-it-existed-2-years-they-invented-it There is a video showing the Neonode N1m using slide to unlock.

    149. Re:Oh ffs by marcosdumay · · Score: 1

      Well, if Apple gout out of their garage, they have people like us to thank.

      Yeah, nowadays they are focused on a different segment. They just forgot that, no they aren't... As another famous Steve once said, "Developpers, developpers, developpers". A plataform simply can't live without them.

    150. Re:Oh ffs by Pieroxy · · Score: 1

      There are gazillion of salesmen all around earth that didn't do as well as Jobs did. There must be something more to him than just that. As a matter of fact, if you'd heard about him more than twice, you'd know what it is.

    151. Re:Oh ffs by Pieroxy · · Score: 1

      I have a suitcase that is at least 30 years old. It has two knobs on either side of it. You slide them and, surprise surprise, the briefcase unlocks.

      We gotta end this "different cause it's on a computer" bullshit.

      No, no, it is different because on your suitcase there are TWO knobs. Come on, you knew that!

    152. Re:Oh ffs by Medievalist · · Score: 1

      The difference, here in the colonies, is that tech departments are often mandated to place an extremely powerful computer in the tech-ignorant CEO's office. In some companies, no other employee is permitted to have a 'better' computer, swivel chair or office window than the CEO. I know of dozens of US companies where this is true (although often the CEO's computer isn't nearly as good as he's been told it is). I even know of one CEO who keeps the computer facing the door, so everyone can see that he never turns it on. It's a power statement.

      The super-powerful business barons of yesteryear did not have typewriters in their offices. They had rolexes. ;)

    153. Re:Oh ffs by Totenglocke · · Score: 2

      AFAIK, none of those companies have a record of repeatedly filing bogus lawsuits to prohibit competition with their mediocre products.

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    154. Re:Oh ffs by YttriumOxide · · Score: 1

      Steve Jobs was a geek

      Sorry, he was just a salesman. A good one, but just a salesman. Woz on the other hand... wait, what? Oh, you have not heard of him?

      Great work on quoting me quite out of context there...

      Yes, I am well aware of Woz, even having had the opportunity to meet him in person once (albeit very briefly and while he was surrounded by large numbers of other people also).
      Riddle me this: If Jobs was "just a salesman", why exactly is it that he got involved with Woz to begin with? And why did he push his staff so (famously) hard for what he perceived as "the right way"?
      He may not have been the kind of geek that Woz was; and he certainly annoyed the hell out of me with some of his decisions, but calling him "just a salesman" is doing a terrible disservice to history based solely on how he was often perceived towards the end of his career.
      I stand by my statement that he clearly had a passion for technology and cool toys including wanting to know how they work and how to make them better. That, in my eyes, is enough to call him a geek.

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    155. Re:Oh ffs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They've been working on next-gen UI since the f*ckin 90s. Sergei carbon-copied iOS like Microsoft took innovations from Mac OS. This makes your final note of "I cannot spend money on a product with a company who will misappropriate it," rather ironic. Apple's playing hardball because they are first movers and the only way others have been able to vaguely keep up lately is by plagiarism. Yes, plagiarism (or "imitation") is the sincerest form of flattery. But bagging on Apple because they protect their investment?

      Guess it's okay with you if I park my mobile home on your front lawn and hook up to your electrical, water, and sewage. Because that's what you're saying it's cool for Android to do.

    156. Re:Oh ffs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why??????
      I am a lawyer!!!!!

    157. Re:Oh ffs by horza · · Score: 1

      Indeed. The Samsung S2 blows away the iPhone 4S. It's superior in every way. But there are some Android phones that are not even iPhone standard. It would be a shame to just lump all Android models together.

      Phillip.

    158. Re:Oh ffs by horza · · Score: 1

      Add me to the list. I've been responsible for plenty of people buying Apple, mainly because I didn't want to be fixing their Microsoft crap, but now I regret it. Never letting anybody I know buy Apple again if I can prevent it. How a company can screw over the public and expect increased sales amazes me.

      Phillip.

    159. Re:Oh ffs by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Car analogy: should whoever first came up with a circular steering wheel be getting royalties from anyone having the same model of steering input?

      Well it certainly wasn't the only design, nor was it obvious. It requires the invention of rack and pinion steering gear. In the early days a tiller was used quite a lot. So yes, it was certainly a suitable design for a patent. The inventor of rack and pinion deserved a period of monopoly.

    160. Re:Oh ffs by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      You're a cretin, therefore your recollection is irrelevant.

    161. Re:Oh ffs by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      It requires a button press to activate it. And there's no visual feedback of the gesture as described in the patent.

    162. Re:Oh ffs by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Could post again in English please. Thanks.

    163. Re:Oh ffs by CheerfulMacFanboy · · Score: 1

      So Apple is successful because every other tech company in the world is to stupid to do halfway decent marketing. Sure - how about a nice bridge in the New York area?

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    164. Re:Oh ffs by CheerfulMacFanboy · · Score: 1

      If you had bothered to continue reading, you'd have come to the T. S. Elliot quote. But you didn't think that far, just like all the guys copying Apple. Working for Samsung, eh?

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    165. Re:Oh ffs by KingMotley · · Score: 1

      It's not superior in every way, but most people would agree that there are a number of features that are highly desirable. For example, the S2 has a slower camera shutter than the iPhone 4S. The iPhone 4S can take multiple pictures back to back faster than the S2. The S2 doesn't have as many apps as the iPhone 4S. The S2 screen doesn't have as good of dpi as the iPhone 4S. The S2 doesn't have dual antennas for double the bandwidth like the iPhone 4S. The S2 is also larger, and the battery doesn't last as long. The Droid UI isn't nearly as fluid or refined as the iPhone 4S's. The app store's apps have been vetted by a 3rd party so they are MUCH less likely to contain malicious code. Connecting to an Exchange Server works much better (and easier) on the iPhone 4S than droid, as does syncing contacts with outlook. The iPhone 4S can stream content wirelessly to my AppleTV, while the S2 can not.

      On the flip side, the S2 has a microSD slot, user replaceable battery, higher resolution screen, and a larger screen. Those are features I wish my iPhone had, but currently does not. However, it's definitely not enough to get me to switch to a droid from the iOS platform.

      The S2 is better in SOME aspects, but it's hardly better in every way.

    166. Re:Oh ffs by CheerfulMacFanboy · · Score: 1

      after others developed it? do you know that this "magic technology" existed before apple?

      Could you make up your mind whether we are talking about quality or "magic technology"? No, don't strain yourself.

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    167. Re:Oh ffs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple isn't stifling innovation with these lawsuits, it's _encouraging_ innovation. They are saying "hey, don't copy us, come up with your own great ideas". They are trying to force companies to innovate.

      Patenting slide-to-unlock seems crazy, but good grief, there must be 100 different ways to unlock a phone, why must everyone copy Apple? Slide to unlock isn't the only way and it may not even be the best way. If people want to compete with Apple they should innovate rather than copy.

    168. Re:Oh ffs by hodma727 · · Score: 1

      I've noticed that perfectly reasonable comments like the above are deliberately and methodically voted down here on Slashdot. Is this a sign of some bizarre biased Apple hate-fest or are the "moderators" being paid to screw with Slashdot?

    169. Re:Oh ffs by hodma727 · · Score: 1

      "Statements from Jobs (RIP) about wanting to destroy Android even if it cost Apple all their wealth- shows the mentality within that company to stifle innovation of others." Ummm, no, it's the sign of someone EXTREMELY pissed off by the belief he had been betrayed by a two faced Google CEO Schmidt sneakily ripping off all of Apple's hard work and stabbing them in the back when he was a member of the Apple board of directors. I'm sure SJ thought "do no evil" is a load of shit marketing slogan as a consequence. It probably also bought home painful memories of when Microsoft stole from them, the difference being that this was being done by someone they had appointed to the Apple board and trusted. I would be spewing tacks as well. Not that I'm saying Jobs was a saint - he did some pretty shit things when he was a youngster - but put in that context it's pretty easy to see why he was ballistic.

    170. Re:Oh ffs by dudpixel · · Score: 2

      Of those, only a select few would be seen as "abusing" the patent system.

      It seems you misinterpreted "abusing" as "using" the patent system, which is rather different.

      Correct use might be to get a patent on, you know, an actual INVENTION, which by definition is something that a reasonable person knowledgeable in the same field of study, could not figure out on their own. Its intended for non-trivial stuff.

      However, it seems the common misuse of the system is just to record who thought of an idea first, regardless of how trivial the idea is. If I'm cynical, I'd say the patent system was created by corporations that were annoyed that you couldn't copyright an idea. So they made a system where you could effectively do just that.

      Patenting something just because its new and no one has a patent on it yet, is absolutely abusing the system.

      And allowing the system to be abused like this is equally as bad - patent office, I'm looking at you.

      Just another day at slashdot I guess...

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    171. Re:Oh ffs by dave87656 · · Score: 1

      System's fucked?
      They play it to fuck everyone else?
      They're as guilty as the system.

      Well put.

    172. Re:Oh ffs by dave87656 · · Score: 1

      Re: Apple is not gaming the system.

      Who knows who influences who gets to work at the USPTO. When I see patents like this that are clearly not patentable it makes you wonder. Perhaps in the software world, it's not who you know but who you know at the patent office.

    173. Re:Oh ffs by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Shareholders are not idiots, you can expect a strong demand from major shareholders for a big dividend. Apple is full of worms and those shareholders will want to take that money and run, before the branding collapses, just as every other empty non-manufacturing branding enterprise before it has collapsed. The USPTO is now demonstrating how fucked up first to patent truly is. They will simply patent anything and everything if it hasn't been patented yet, even when existing products are out in the market and dick US corporations are now running around looking at all the products on the market to find which features haven't been patented to launch cheaper to give in that fight patent lawsuits, thanks to corrupt US courts and no loser pays requirements.

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    174. Re:Oh ffs by dave87656 · · Score: 1

      Apple, like Microsoft, didn't really invent anything. They bought or stole it. Apple with the GUI and mouse just as an example and Microsoft with SQL Server, DOS, Windows. But they are not alone. This has been going on since the industrial revolution. They are just the modern versions of the the railroads and Standard Oil. And, just like there are streets, universities and buildings named after these people there will most certainly be the same for these people.

    175. Re:Oh ffs by Totenglocke · · Score: 1

      I'm a cretin for pointing out what Jobs said? Interesting. I wasn't aware that the Apple fanatics had moved from just condemning people who are anti-Apple to condemning anyone who doesn't put "Heil Jobs!" at the end of every post.

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    176. Re:Oh ffs by blackest_k · · Score: 1

      ok
      so if its not prior art my android phone must be ok as it needs a button press to activate the screen before you can unlock it.

      if it is prior art then the patent shouldn't be valid either way this patent is insane and in no way should be valid.
      Physical slide buttons have existed for years , pinball emulators use a slide action to launch the ball.

        where is the difference really between using a mouse to drag or a touch pad or a touchscreen operated mouse. it is just an event flag that the software waits for. is there any difference between drag to unlock and dragging a slider on the side of a web browser touch screen or otherwise.

      every gui has had events including sliding events for years so where is the novelty in this its wait for event unlock. rather than wait for event do something.

      It is bogus, just an attempt to block sales of alternative products. Only an idiot would grant a patent to a button press no matter what event it triggers.

       

    177. Re:Oh ffs by Entrope · · Score: 1

      It is not necessary, but it is plainly taught by basic principles in UI design. Sure, a designer could use a limited, secondary input method to unlock the screen (but why?). Sure, a designer could allow unlock without visual cues or visual feedback to the user (but why, except to implement something like Android's information-leaking PIN unlock method?). Sure, a designer could resize the feedback indicator rather than move it (but is that distinction patentable?).

    178. Re:Oh ffs by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Then your AFAYK is very limited in scope and you need to educate yourself more.

      Ford is a HUGE patent troll of the automotive world. They regularly stole small guy patents, for example intermittent wipers.

      GM tried in the 90's to patent the GAS PEDAL.

      Motorola is also a huge patent troll in the semiconductor world.

      Etc....

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    179. Re:Oh ffs by richcj10 · · Score: 1

      They found out they were paying 3x the price for out dated hardware. Id be pissed to if I just saw the light.

    180. Re:Oh ffs by Terrasque · · Score: 1

      Just some points:

      The S2 screen doesn't have as good of dpi as the iPhone 4S

      But on the other hand, many reviews comparing SGS2 screen with the old iPhone 4 screen have put the sgs2 screen as the better one. Not sure if that will change with 4S.. From what I've read, I don't think so.

      The S2 doesn't have dual antennas for double the bandwidth like the iPhone 4S

      "The iPhone 4S supports up to 14.4Mbps download, which is a lot faster than the current iPhone 4. However the SGS2 is HSPA+ ready and produces 21Mbps download speed"
      (from here)

      The iPhone 4S can stream content wirelessly to my AppleTV, while the S2 can not.

      However, it can stream content to (and from.. mostly) any DLNA-supporting device.

      As for some of the other points, like battery life and UI.. Well, it depens. For UI I can't say I've been missing anything, and it certainly feels pretty fluid. The battery life varies a lot on SGS2, from people reporting less than 1 day, to people reporting 7 days.. For me it lasts about two days with normal use, but I tend to recharge it every night, just to be sure.

      You also forgot to mention Siri, which looks to be better voice command system than the default installed on the SGS2. (Of course, siri is not perfect either.. )

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    181. Re:Oh ffs by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      So what you're saying is that the pinball table launcher simulation would be close enough, if currently under patent, to block slide-to-unlock on both iPhone and Android.

    182. Re:Oh ffs by Geotopia · · Score: 1

      "Now lets hear what you think of Apple stealing everything from Xerox. The foundation of Apple is on blatant theft. If you want to throw shit at others, make sure you are not sitting on pile of it yourself."

      We need to get Myth Busters on this one. Apple was given a tour of PARC, they didn't break in and steal the secrets. They hired some of PARC's engineers over time and those engineers brought some gestating ideas with them, ideas which NEVER materialized in Xerox products at the time or even shortly thereafter. But rather than look back at fuzzy heresay long since gone, ask if Xerox filed IP suits against Apple. If Xerox didn't defend their own intellectual property against infringement, then the argument is both legally, and for all intents and purposes publicly moot. Personally, I haven't dug around to see if law suits were filed, how they were settled if they were even filed, and none of my friends from PARC have ever even mentioned "theft by Apple of IP".

      Can someone with some actual facts shed some light on this ongoing, unsubstantiated, controversy?!

    183. Re:Oh ffs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or Clorox, or Coke, or Listerine, I mean they even patent the shape of their bottles, for shame! /s

    184. Re:Oh ffs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Statements from Jobs (RIP) about wanting to destroy Android even if it cost Apple all their wealth- shows the mentality within that company to stifle innovation of others.

      Is copying innovation? As far as I can tell, Apple just wants other people to find their own way to do things. In the Apple vs Samsung cases, Apple hasn't wanted money, they've wanted Samsung to change their phones to be less like the iPhone.

    185. Re:Oh ffs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [citation needed]

  2. The way its done... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'd agree with Europe, sorry Apple, that boat sailed, slide unlock is now "just the way its done" ... perhaps Henry Ford should have sued anyone who dared put black paint on their cars?

    1. Re:The way its done... by somersault · · Score: 2

      I prefer the Android draw-pattern-to-unlock. Convenient, secure, and probably not patented.

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    2. Re:The way its done... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      My (WebOS) TouchPad doesn't do slide to unlock. To unlock, you have to drag a little padlock ball out of a small circle at one end of the screen. I find it a much nicer mechanism than Apple's, which requires a slide in a particular direction.

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    3. Re:The way its done... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Unless you are much more diligent with the little microfiber cloth than everybody else, or some kind of desiccated reptile-man, there is probably a grease trail on your screen containing a significant percentage of your unlock pattern for much of your phone's life...

      It's certainly incrementally more secure than slide to unlock, since that is merely supposed to protect against spurious unlocks; but touchscreens bleed usage data if they aren't cleaned obsessively.

    4. Re:The way its done... by somersault · · Score: 1

      Yep I am aware of it - but my sister actually tried to be clever and try that with my tablet, and she couldn't figure it out. I know that's not a guarantee that nobody will figure it out, especially given a lot of time, but it's definitely better than just slide to unlock. It's enough to stop you getting fraped if you leave the room for a few minutes. If someone has actually stolen your tablet, all they need to do is wipe it to factory default to have use of it anyway.

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    5. Re:The way its done... by RulerOf · · Score: 1

      Just use a matte screen protector. IME, they tend to grease up pretty evenly, but that may depend on the device's UI.

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    6. Re:The way its done... by erroneus · · Score: 2

      Then people will think my unlock pattern looks like angry birds. I think the majority of the wear on my screen protector's surface comes from that.

    7. Re:The way its done... by atisss · · Score: 1

      Did you read the patent - it states "moving the unlock image to a predefined location and/or moving the unlock image along a predefined path" - which would cover this.

      I propose - drop to unlock. You'll have to exceed 9.8m/s^2 acceleration (measured with accelerometer) in order to unlock. Wouldn't work on the moon however.

    8. Re:The way its done... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      It doesn't do either of those. It slides it from a predefined location, to anywhere outside of that is a valid unlock place. The path can be anything that ends outside of a circle.

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    9. Re:The way its done... by atisss · · Score: 1

      So, the "outside of circle" would still count as predefined location.

    10. Re:The way its done... by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 1

      Two more swipes to get to the screen I want, and the pattern is gone. Or I can just drag my thumb across the screen as a matter of habit. It's not always necessary to remove evidence; sometimes you can just hide it among cruft.

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    11. Re:The way its done... by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Google did the same in Honeycomb, and presumably it'll stay in ICS.

    12. Re:The way its done... by IAmGarethAdams · · Score: 1

      Yes it would, but the patent specifies a "predefined [displayed] path", not "to a predefined location"

  3. The US will just cripple its own tech by Viol8 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Manufacturers will simply ignore US patents everywhere else in the world and provide a crippled product with various functions disabled for the US market if this sort of nonsense continues. It strikes me the US patent office still thinks its 1950 with the US deciding the direction of technological advances. Someone should throw some strong coffee in their faces and wake them up to the reality of the 21st century before they fuck up US industry for good.

    (And I'm not a US citizen).

    1. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by melonman · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I think a more likely outcome is something like the patent pool that was forced into place by the US government around the 1920s to avoid a situation where, basically, no company could build a plane without infringing another company's patents. Otherwise, sooner or later, Android will be in trouble, but so will Apple and all other US companies.

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    2. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by MichaelKristopeitDad · · Score: 1, Insightful

      This. Right on spot. The only thing the USPTO is accomplishing is crippling the US market and making it less and less attractive to companies, given the higher risk of litigation. And really, this benefits to no one.

    3. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone should throw some strong coffee in their faces and wake them up

      I have an inkling someone's already patented "a process for increasing a subject's alertness via high-speed facial delivery of a brewed, caffeinated drink."

    4. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Speaking as an American who lives abroad and works in Europe... this is how it has been working already for some time. The company I work for sells a software product globally. The version shipped into the US market was up until recently crippled to avoid infringing a ridiculous US patent that was granted in the mid-90's and just recently expired. Now we can finally ship a full featured product to the US.

      It's utterly amazing that the patent system in the US is still this bad. Where is the reform we keep hearing about?

    5. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As a non-American myself it is incredibly disheartening to see so many innovations created by American companies being denied to large segments of the American populace itself thanks to it's own utterly absurd patent system. Whatever people think about US...foreign policy, popular culture, overt consumerism or whatever..the one thing you cannot deny is that quality of life has been drastically improved for so many thanks to technological advances made by US companies. To then go and deny their own population the benefits of those advances because of bizarre and outdated patent laws just seems morally and ethically wrong on so many levels.

    6. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

      "This. Right on spot. The only thing the USPTO is accomplishing is crippling the US market and making it less and less attractive to companies, given the higher risk of litigation. And really, this benefits to no one."

      Lawyers ?

    7. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by DrXym · · Score: 1

      I expect the most likely outcome is the patent will be contested and invalidated if as suggested there is prior art. I'm sure the workaround is to put a slight curve into the slider, or some movement other than just sliding, or to emulate a sweeping motion instead of a slide etc. etc. I think the solution in Android 3 / 4 is novel enough not to qualify either - you drag a circle onto another circle. You're not "sliding" the circle because you can drag it up, down, left or right. You just have to drag and drop it in the correct fashion which is effectively sliding even though it isn't.

    8. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We're already in that situation. Unfortunately, rather than just cross-licensing the patents they're all suing each other and using temporary injunctions to gain first-mover advantage.

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    9. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by Lockyy · · Score: 1

      I'm unsure if you're referring to waking them up via the caffeine or via scalding them with extremely hot coffee. The scalding will be faster acting.

    10. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    11. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Given that these sorts of features are increasingly implemented in pure software, or in hardware where every unit has all the features(because spinning a new mask is crazy expensive), but only some features are firmware-enabled, for price-discrimination or IP reasons, it will be interesting to see whether the "cheap DVD player" phenomenon crops up...

      In the US, at least, back when DVD players were something people cared about, there arose a curious little wrinkle in the market:
      The pricier hardware, with the traditionally respectable brand badges(Sony, etc.) had nicer build quality, and was more likely to include features that were genuinely expensive in hardware(DACs that didn't suck, absurd numbers of outputs); but also enforced the various region locking, macrovision, and other user-hostile features of the DVD spec to the letter.
      The cheap seats tended to have the usual downsides(somewhat... functional... build quality, dadaist user interfaces, a bit of scrimping and saving on BOM); but tended to enforce user-hostile requirements rather tepidly. There would either be some trivial 'debug code' that you could tap into the remote, or a 'test firmware' would 'leak' about 10 seconds after release that would remove all DRM features. The cheapies also tended to have the cheap-because-it's-software pirate-friendly features, like support for assorted audio and video codecs in files just burned to data DVDs and the like.

      If the patent wars become too hot, a similar phenomenon could theoretically crop up in other electronics markets. The "US Firmware" version would be oh-so-bare-and-legally-compliant; but the hardware would be identical because SKU proliferation is expensive, and there would be a strong incentive for players, particularly the weaker players, to 'accidentally' suffer from a 'bootloader verification bug' that allows the least-crippled English-language firmware, *cough*easily available for download from our Hong Kong TLD's support page, 'only for our customers in the region'*cough* to be flashed to US devices...

    12. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by Bert64 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      People simply aren'y aware of this...
      If it was clear and common knowledge that products were either crippled in the US, or cost significantly more then there would be more public outcry about it. As it stands, 99% of people don't even realise there is a problem.

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    13. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by Threni · · Score: 1

      Another likely outcome is someone releasing `swipetounlock.apk` on the marketplace (and elsewhere) adding back stuff Google isn't allowed to do (for free).

      It's hard to imagine anything that can't be spun off this way. There's no obligation on the part of HTC to prevent EU/Japanese etc roms from working on US phones, nor to prevent their download based on location.

      Still, a nice little earner for the lawyers.

    14. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by Solandri · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm sure the workaround is to put a slight curve into the slider, or some movement other than just sliding, or to emulate a sweeping motion instead of a slide etc. etc. I think the solution in Android 3 / 4 is novel enough not to qualify either - you drag a circle onto another circle. You're not "sliding" the circle because you can drag it up, down, left or right.

      The problem is that this is a gesture patent. By definition, anything you do on a touchscreen is a gesture - sliding your finger in a certain pattern. Apple gets a patent for sliding in a straight line to unlock. Google gets one for sliding in a circle to unlock. Microsoft is forced to use a square or triangle to unlock. HP decides to patent the WebOS motion of flicking up to close an app. Google patents flicking down to expand the notification bar. Someone else patents sliding in a straight line to scroll. Another patents sliding across a word to select it. etc.

      There are only a limited number of simple gestures, all obvious, but apparently the USPTO has never seen anything like them before. Using workaround gestures is not the solution, no more than other newspapers printing their text in different colors would be a solution to the New York Times getting a patent on printing in black ink. This patent is so mind-bogglingly stupid that if it's not overturned it will absolutely cripple the industry.

    15. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by m50d · · Score: 1

      It's worth noting that almost all companies - samsung, motorola, nokia et al - do cross-license. It's Apple that has decided to break with that.

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    16. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by delinear · · Score: 1

      In the short term. Eventually if the parasite kills its host it's going to find itself very hungry.

    17. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by Spacezilla · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but what company advertises that? "Hey, Americans, you should buy our product, which can do some of the same things that our European version can!"

    18. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by ThosLives · · Score: 1

      The patent may be easier to circumvent than that - if you read the actual claims of the patent (yes, heresy I know), all you have to do is use multiple images; the patent specifically claims "the visual element is a single image."

      While I agree the patent is pretty weak as far as quality goes, it is fairly specific.

      In general, though, it's a good example of part of the difficulty in evaluating patents. If the task at hand is "provide a mechanism to prevent unwanted inputs to a touchscreen device held in your pocket" then "use a slide gesture" is one method (as opposed to, say, discrete button presses in a pattern like entering a key code). So that may be considered a specific means to address a goal.

      Where people get confused is they think the task is "use a gesture to unlock the phone" and cry "foul!" because there's really only a few ways (if that many) to use a gesture to unlock a phone. The problem is turtles all the way down: which particular functionality is the "goal" and which is the "innovative device to meet the goal"?

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    19. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Not even remotely true. Take a look at this picture to see the tangled mess of lawsuits a year ago - it's got worse since then, but I couldn't find an updated image.

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    20. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by salimma · · Score: 1

      It's utterly amazing that the patent system in the US is still this bad. Where is the reform we keep hearing about?

      The financial industry cut a deal and got a partial reform that only fixed the situation for them. No, really, I'm not joking! [arstechnica]

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    21. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No... developers will bit by bit, abandon Android. IOS is not the key to the winning the game. iTunes is. And if developers continue to hit patent problems, with all the other negative aspects of Android (like it's one fits all but not all devices, example slower mhz can handle an app as well) they will just give up and stick with IOS. :) Sent on my Windows pc... but about to go have a conversation on my iPhone whilst playing with my iPad! :)

      Android, like linux will never dominate. And Windows Live... gimme a break!

    22. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't that exactly what Microsoft does with Android? They offer a license for a reasonable fee. And then everyone screams bloody murder. I guess they should do it the Apple way. And then everyone will scream bloody murder. It's hard to take Slashdot complaints seriously sometimes when the standards seem so different for each company involved.

    23. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by Gideon+Wells · · Score: 1

      It seemed to be working well enough til just recently. It was like a Cold War with patents instead of nukes. Then someone began lobbing them big time.

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    24. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Manufacturers will simply ignore US patents everywhere else in the world

      If only it were that simple. Between international trade agreements negotiated in secret, and the US's continued pressure on the rest of the world to obey them or fear them no longer acting as your world police, the line between a US patent and a patent elsewhere is increasingly blurred.

      It's all good and fine if the US does it's own thing, but we have seen in Europe increasing pressure by some members of the EU to force adoption of software patents. We have seen stupid patents filed in systems all around the world, and basically in every country where a company has presence there is a risk of some stupid patent to be granted.

      I'd like to sit back idly and watch the US slowly litigate itself into 3rd world status, but I fear we will not only follow them, but we will smile as we do so.

    25. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which patent? I have a suspicion that it is one that we were fucked by. Our solution was just to not sell to the US.

    26. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      Yes, and look how the picture gets particulary congested around Apple.

      They're all pretty bad about this- but Apple does seem to stand out as the worst of a bad crowd.

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    27. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      Perhaps- but there are so many tiny rediculous patents like this one- that it is almost impossible to release a product which doesn't fall afoul of somebodies patents.

      Apple (and others) flood the patent office with redicuouls patents like this one so that they can sue someone when one of their silly patents accidentally get breached.

      Samsung didn't mean to breach a patent by having rounded corners.

      Apple knew exactly what they were doing then as now- it's a means to be able to delay other peoples production and win money through lawsuits. It has nothing to do with protecting innovation. They (and everyone else) knows they won't lose market share if other people use this device.

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    28. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone should throw some strong coffee in their faces and wake them up to the reality of the 21st century before they fuck up US industry for good.

      But but butttt..... So many lawyers would lose their jobs. We can't do that! /barf

    29. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by gutnor · · Score: 1

      cross-license are even worse. Big player on the market team up together and can prevent any unexpected newcomer. That is part of the reason we have the current war in the mobile sector. It all started when a disruptive (and aggressive) new player entered the market and didn't to want to pay its ticket in the club.

    30. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by E+IS+mC(Square) · · Score: 1

      >> I expect the most likely outcome is the patent will be contested and invalidated if as suggested there is prior art.

      This is your problem. There should not be a need to prior art for such basic UI stuff for fuck sake. It's the mentality like this that will bring about another ridiculous patent from Apple next month and we will be discussing this very same topic.

      There should be a hefty penalty (1% of the previous year's net profit or income) for filing applications for stupid or basic or common ideas. Then let's see how many patent Apple files.

    31. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by poofmeisterp · · Score: 1

      It's utterly amazing that the patent system in the US is still this bad. Where is the reform we keep hearing about?

      Waiting for that is sort of like looking at the U.S. as an ant farm. You can keep tapping against the side with your finger and get an immediate response, but everything just goes back to the way it was again.

    32. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everyone's tried to Cross License with Apple, but they refuse to play ball in any way.

    33. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by E+IS+mC(Square) · · Score: 3, Informative

      >> The "US Firmware" version would be oh-so-bare-and-legally-compliant; but the hardware would be identical because...

      Right on. A very good example was the old (but awesome) iriver H320/340 mp3 players. Hardware supported video playback, but US firmware took out the feature because of some patent/royalty bullshit. It was just matter of downloading the korean firmware and it turned it into a a great video player (for that time).

      Iriver used to make great products (in terms of build and quality), but their love for microsoft, proprietary madness and finally the ipod craze killed their US market.

    34. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by E+IS+mC(Square) · · Score: 1

      What?

    35. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea, well, how much of that was instigated by Microsoft? You know, the Apple copycat.

    36. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, governments tend to be very bad businessmen... I guess that's why they become politicians. What self-respecting company would hire some of those morons?

    37. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by X0563511 · · Score: 2

      You forget, Lawyers are also part fungus. They shall feast heartily upon the corpse.

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    38. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by FireFury03 · · Score: 1

      Isn't that exactly what Microsoft does with Android? They offer a license for a reasonable fee. And then everyone screams bloody murder. I guess they should do it the Apple way. And then everyone will scream bloody murder. It's hard to take Slashdot complaints seriously sometimes when the standards seem so different for each company involved.

      People probably wouldn't scream if MS actually explained what patents are being infringed by Linux (and by extension, Android). But at the moment its basically a protection racket - they won't tell you what you might be infringing so you can avoid it, but instead force everyone into licensing for unknown (possibly invalid) patents.

    39. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by skids · · Score: 1

      IANAL but since patent law only applies to selling goods or applying them in a business context, not "personal use," I could see workaround schemes becoming popular. If a company wants to use a feature on their business smartphones, they'd have to strongly encourage, rather than require or pre-ship, feature installation by the users of the phone. Could work out to give users more leeway, but really it would be quite the pretense to pull off, that each user desires to install their own completely customized OS for personal use and for some reason they all like to have feature X.

      So I guess look out for patents on the "business practice" of "allowing employees to install personal modifications to computing systems to avoid the act of patent application"

    40. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The reality is that Apple implemented this Slide To Unlock first! Can you deny this fact?

    41. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Yes, you are most definitely NOT a lawyer. There is NO legal exemption for "personal use" for patents in the US. In fact, it is illegal to simply implement the patent in an attempt to learn how it operates - for pure research purposes. ANY implementation of a patent is infringement - the reason for implementation or the status of the implementor or beneficial transactions because of it are totally irrelevant.

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    42. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by mr100percent · · Score: 2

      Well there was some reform. The US went from a "first to invent" patent system to a "first to file" system.

    43. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by assantisz · · Score: 1

      I would love to support your point but that graph really only shows that Apple is the defendant in most of the cases. NTP, Inc. seems to be the bad guys suing the most.

    44. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by 0racle · · Score: 2

      I doubt you'd have the public outcry you think you'd have. I would expect the outcry to be along the lines of 'see these foreigners are stealing ideas from good americans because the laws around the world aren't strict enough. We need stricter penalties and tariff on thieving foreigners.'

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    45. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Apple fanbois are so ignorant... Prior art, the Neonode N1m, released in 2005. If only Apple wasn't such a blatant copier of other's work...

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    46. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Did you look at the same picture as me? It showed Apple suing HTC and Nokia, but being sued by ELAN, NTP, Motorola, Acacia, Kodak and Nokia. Since then, Apple has filed countersuits against most of these. Companies that were suing more of the other than Apple include NTP, Kodak and Nokia. Samsung has also joined in the suing game, while they were purely defensive a year ago.

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    47. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by shellscriptz · · Score: 1

      hell yeah. fuck the patent office and the patent trolls. patents only proliferate capitalism and never help with technological progression. If everything were open sourced, where would we be today? Probably would have a cure for cancer, faster than light space travel, and immortality through cloning,

    48. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by Jerry · · Score: 1

      Good point!

      Advances are coming at such a rapid rate that yesterday's "wow" is upstaged by even more fantastic stuff today. First-mover advantage via lawsuits, as long as injunctions are issued to restrain competition, will prevent competition in those judicial districts until "yesterday's" profit wave passes by.

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    49. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by Jerry · · Score: 1

      Ah, right. I get you. A 55% market share for Android vs a 28% market share for iPhone isn't really Android dominating. The consumer "really" wants to pay much more for much less.

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    50. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by realityimpaired · · Score: 1

      1% of net income isn't a hefty penalty, IMO. Try 10% of gross. Per infringement. Assessed as the greater of the values for the year the patent is filed, or the year the patent is overturned, for every patent you file for which there's demonstrated to be prior art or for which the general industry concensus is that you have filed a patent on a fundamental concept.

    51. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 2

      ...Called Apple ?

      They were the new guy in the mobile market and tried to pay as few people as possible ...the others laughed, and then sued ...

      When Android came along they were they did exactly the same, but apparently it's OK for Apple to attack them ?

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    52. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by anonymov · · Score: 1

      They'd just cover all bases with

      2. Method described in claim 1, wherein the drink subsequently enters one of reciever's facial orifices.

      3. Method described in claim 2, wherein the orifice is mouth.

    53. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by g4b · · Score: 1

      makes angry, does it not.

      hard to swallow that all are talking about it, but hardly any actions are taken.

      michelangelo clearly should have patented smiling people watching in the camera on rectangular surfaces.

    54. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think legislators either totally do not understand the problem or are pretending not to know about them for the benefit of large patent-enriched corporations.

      I've had a lot of personal exchanges with my US legislators about this, and the response I get is something along the lines of "Yeah--we passed patent reform! Problem fixed!"

      The fundamental nature of the problem--that patents for trivial inventions or things that are better classified as discoveries--is totally lost on them.

      To me, IP law is one of the things crippling the economy, as it discourages real innovation. Patent reform, copyright reform, etc.--it all needs to be torn down and maybe rebuilt.

      I've come to the conclusion that the government fundamentally has no business at all dictating what's innnovative or not. It's very anti-American and anti-capitalist. IP never really worked, it just has always been a small enough of a problem that it goes undetected. The real role of the government should be to enforce fraud--e.g., passing off products as something they're not.

      I think this patent illustrates quite nicely why the argument that you need patents to reward companies falls on its face. Companies producing real value will benefit because people recognize it and want to have it--you don't need government-sanctioned thuggery.

    55. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, for the most part all the bigger companies were doing cross licensing until Apple came along and decided they were hot shit and the accepted Gentlemen's agreement on that didn't apply in their case.

    56. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There still is an exemption for research. Like fair use, it's an afirmative defense. So, you are correct in saying it was illegal, but not actually correct. Also like fair use, the courts have whittled it way down over the years, but it still allows for some personal research as long as there is zero profit motive.

    57. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by Bucky24 · · Score: 1

      Who decides if the idea is stupid or basic? That was supposed to be the job of the US patent office, once upon a time.

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    58. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One word for you, ACTA.

    59. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by SoftwareArtist · · Score: 1

      In this case, they don't even need to slip in a "bug" to make this possible. Just leave the bootloader unlocked (because why should they lock it?), and customers can download their favorite ROM. It's all completely legal, as long as that ROM is hosted outside the US.

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    60. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by ThosLives · · Score: 1

      it's a means to be able to delay other peoples production and win money through lawsuits. It has nothing to do with protecting innovation.

      You'll not get much argument from me there - the problem is, unfortunately, that while the patent system does have the capability to "protect innovation" that "protection" is precisely why it is also open to abuses (compounded by the subjective descriptions in the law relating to what is and is not patentable).

      I suppose the general rule of thumb is that any type of protectionist legislation always has its downsides, and those downsides almost always show up only when technology is changing rapidly (look at textile and steel industries for examples). Computers are inherently a fast-changing technology, so the flaws in the protectionist nature of patents are readily visible.

      Perhaps rather than some arbitrary number (20 years, 17 years, 43.6234 years, etc.), patents (probably all IP except trademarks, really) should have as their protected period the expected "half-life" of the technology - so for something like software where new versions come out every 12 or 18 months, patents are only good for 6 to 9 months. For drugs that come out every decade or so, they are good for 5 years.

      Suffice it to say, patents are definitely easy to abuse, and their benefits are questionable, but until someone gets enough people elected that are interested in free flow of information rather than protecting it as the last hope for the US (or EU, or wherever) economy, it's not going to change.

      Basically, the time for the soap box has ended, and it's time to get to the ballot box.

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    61. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus, Lawyers are from Yuggoth?

    62. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People simply aren'y aware of this...
      If it was clear and common knowledge that products were either crippled in the US, or cost significantly more then there would be more public outcry about it. As it stands, 99% of people don't even realise there is a problem.

      Not to mention that the US is Microsoft's global headquarters and strongest market. They are so used to crippled software that most can't understand the concept of non-crippled software.

    63. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      The previous situation was that all big companies cross license from each other but they would also lock out all newcomers and small companies trying to enter the business. It wasn't a good way to run things either.

    64. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by Threni · · Score: 1

      My point being, though, that nobody cares about the law. Not when it affects them negatively, is not wanted, and is trivially worked around with no chance of being caught. Word will get out that a slide to unlock is available outside the US and they'll get it - law or no law. There's no requirement on the part of Google to prevent this being installed (indeed, how could they?). It's just like the strong encryption ban on export, or on DVD players which don't honour region locking. Just get what you want from somewhere it's not subject to a silly ban and move on.

    65. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by horza · · Score: 1

      Nice find. I was thinking Brightside's software from the same era where if you are using a touch-screen computer it allows you to unlock it by dragging your finger to a pre-determined corner of the screen.

      Phillip.

    66. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Manufacturers will simply ignore US patents everywhere else in the world and provide a crippled product with various functions disabled for the US market if this sort of nonsense continues. It strikes me the US patent office still thinks its 1950 with the US deciding the direction of technological advances. Someone should throw some strong coffee in their faces and wake them up to the reality of the 21st century before they fuck up US industry for good.

      (And I'm not a US citizen).

      I agree and worry that the trolls work in the patent office :) the patent office must be full of people that love apple and have no knowledge of N1M, Treo's thumbnail pictures, or other example of Prior Art.

      Oh, I am a citizen of the USA.

    67. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I used a slide unlock on an old gate outside. I'm amazed Apple was able to patent this!

    68. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by giorgist · · Score: 1

      Well many features started cropping up in jailbroken iOS before they where implemented. Others still wait there ...

      tethering, large file download on 3G, facetime on 3G, notifications and so on

    69. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by dudpixel · · Score: 1

      I always thought that patents were for real inventions that a person knowledgeable and skilled in the same field would not be likely to create without knowledge of the original.

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    70. Re:The US will just cripple its own tech by tragedy · · Score: 1

      They passed the the patent reform act ("America Invents Act"). Unfortunately, their idea of reform is to make the situation worse.

  4. Whats next, patent to use your hands by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why do they manage to get patents like this.
    Google has it with their home screen....a logo, a text box and 2 buttons.
    Thought we were intelligent species.

    1. Re:Whats next, patent to use your hands by Kokuyo · · Score: 3, Funny

      You truly thought we were an intelligent species? Really, now?

    2. Re:Whats next, patent to use your hands by DeathElk · · Score: 0

      I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species and I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You're a plague and we are the cure.

    3. Re:Whats next, patent to use your hands by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How can you call yourself an intelligent species, if you can't even invent something as simple as this slide-to-unlock crap.

  5. Fuckers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    fuckers, americans with their USPTO are fuckers. Apple bought them, that's clear now that they ignored EU findings.

    1. Re:Fuckers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Stop being a dick. This is a stupid patent and you know it.

    2. Re:Fuckers by Cwix · · Score: 2

      Funny thing, Apple didnt do it first.

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    3. Re:Fuckers by PhilHibbs · · Score: 1

      Apple can't ignore everything EU and continue to trade within the EU. If they want to sell their product here, they have to abide by our laws. It's then their choice if they want to follow those rulings and change the product in all markets to be consistent, or to sell a different product in different markets according to each one's laws. Same with this Slide To Unlock - anyone else who wants to sell a product with slide-to-unlock in the EU can do so, as long as they implement it differently in the US market. If this sticks, though, I suspect they will go with the consistency approach, and the USPTO will end up having screwed over EU consumers as much as US.

    4. Re:Fuckers by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      funny thing, we can ignore everything EU because it has no jurisdiction. and Apple did it first - so fuck all you for bitching about it.

      If by first you mean two years after Neonode did it with the N1m, then yes - Apple did it first. Fanboi troll is so fanboiish...

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  6. New Apple patent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This just in: Apple patents the element with an atomic number of 8, also known as oxygen. You are now required to pay $1.99 for every litre of oxygen you consume. iOxygen is currently only available in the US and UK via the iTunes store. Citizens of other countries are kindly requested to stop breathing.

    1. Re:New Apple patent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple does own everything that's ever been done, said, spoken, thought of, mimed out and prophesied after all!

    2. Re:New Apple patent by Joce640k · · Score: 0

      It's because they employ a lot of very smart, creative people.

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    3. Re:New Apple patent by kaiidth · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      It's because they employ a lot of very smart, creative patent trolls.

  7. Slide to...? by indre1 · · Score: 1

    Doest it cover all slide gestures, like slide to answer, decline?
    If not, then can't we just say that from now on nobody lock's their phones. They just use the sliding gesture to get to their home page?

    1. Re:Slide to...? by gTsiros · · Score: 1

      just stop using slide to unlock and use two quick taps in either side of the sliding (now "tapping") widget

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    2. Re:Slide to...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      "It's not a lock screen, it's a ... clock ... from which the only way out is with a slide gesture."

    3. Re:Slide to...? by mwvdlee · · Score: 2

      Or just do like the Android lock screen, which requires you to drag something accross the screen.
      And if that's covered by the patent, we'll just change the graphics and require the user to "push" an object accross the screen.
      Alternatively call it "scroll" and change the graphics so the lock-screen as a whole is moved.
      Or did Apple patent the physical action and am I no longer allowed to pull my finger accross a touch screen?
      If all else fails, replace the lock-screen with an Apple logo and detect a certain handshape with a singular extended digit in the middle.

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    4. Re:Slide to...? by IAmGarethAdams · · Score: 4, Informative

      No, the first claim of the patent is for a gesture dragging a graphic along a "predefined, displayed path". So if the unlock gesture isn't a fixed path (like the Samsung S2, which can unlock in any direction; or the path isn't displayed, like a puzzle piece which moves along a fixed path to its destination but that path isn't visible, then it's not covered by the patent.

    5. Re:Slide to...? by beelsebob · · Score: 3, Informative

      No, notably, it covers *only* gestures that involve having your finger in continuous contact with your screen *and* having a GUI widget moving continuously under your finger. So all the hype about prior art like entering codes by tapping is bullshit (because your finger isn't in constant contact), and all the hype about android's various unlock mechanisms being in violation are similarly bullshit (because no widget follows the finger continuously).

      An article about patents explains the patent in such a broad way that it sounds like it covers everything under the sun? Who'd have thought it!

    6. Re:Slide to...? by mamas · · Score: 1

      Spot on.

      With ICS (and probably others) allowing doing more things in that clock screen, like getting access to notifications, and direct access to the camera, this argument gains even more weight.

    7. Re:Slide to...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      gestures that involve having your finger in continuous contact with your screen *and* having a GUI widget moving continuously under your finger

      Isn't that your every-day run-of-the-mill drag-and-drop that has been around since ... well ... the first graphical UI; and has been on every touch screen since day 1?

    8. Re:Slide to...? by beelsebob · · Score: 1

      When was the last time you saw every day run of the mill drag and drop to unlock a device?

    9. Re:Slide to...? by Sabriel · · Score: 1

      No, notably, it covers *only* gestures that involve having your finger in continuous contact with your screen *and* having a GUI widget moving continuously under your finger.

      So it's like having your finger in continuous contact with a physical sliding lock *and* having the physical slider widget moving continuously under your finger.

      Screw the android comparisons, the prior art is a door. Apple got a patent for this? Bloody hell. And I thought humans were stupid before...

    10. Re:Slide to...? by NotSoHeavyD3 · · Score: 1

      I guess you could have a "analog" clock that you drag its hand to point at the "wake up" icon or something like as well. (Could you guys wait a few minutes, I need to run down to go out or something. It's not like I need to go to the patent office to patent this idea or anything :) )

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    11. Re:Slide to...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So they've patented the common slider control, when used on a touch screen then... So you cannot adjust the volume of anything, contrast, or anything else... without violating their patent.

      Thats broken

    12. Re:Slide to...? by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      > When was the last time you saw every day run of the mill drag and drop to unlock a device?

      Since always. The only difference is what form the mouse takes.

      This is like any other patent that got granted because someone took something old and added the use of a computer or the Internet.

      This one is wrong on so many levels, including the fact that it is nothing more than a description of something. Another fine example what's essentially an "idea" patent.

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    13. Re:Slide to...? by beelsebob · · Score: 1

      Uhhh no, go back and read again, they've patented using the common slider control to unlock a phone...

    14. Re:Slide to...? by beelsebob · · Score: 1

      Since always. The only difference is what form the mouse takes.

      Can you give an example such system?

    15. Re:Slide to...? by dzfoo · · Score: 2

      Which part of the door is the touch-screen and which part is the gesture reading implemented in software?

              -dZ.

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    16. Re:Slide to...? by mcguiver · · Score: 1

      How about the sliding locks on the lavatories in airplanes? You have a latch that you stick your finger on and you slide it to unlock. There are also "locks" (plastic channels) that attach on the top of bi-fold doors that you have to slide to unlock. Heck even the latches on many bathroom stalls are "slide to unlock". Slide to unlock is nothing new.

    17. Re:Slide to...? by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      all the hype about android's various unlock mechanisms being in violation are similarly bullshit (because no widget follows the finger continuously).

      Actually, that's precisely how stock Android 2.x unlock works - you "grab" the widget and drag it across the screen in a swiping gesture. It follows your finger all the way through.

    18. Re:Slide to...? by beelsebob · · Score: 1

      Oh odd, thanks for the info – I thought it unlocked with the 9 dots arranged in a grid, and you dragged out a pattern between them (but no widget followed your finger).

    19. Re:Slide to...? by beelsebob · · Score: 1

      Well done, you're missing a critical part of the patent, it's not covered. Now try and find something that is.

    20. Re:Slide to...? by Robert+Zenz · · Score: 1

      That brings something to mind...a lock-screen where you have to beat a game of Frogger to unlock it.

    21. Re:Slide to...? by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      This is only when you have "secure unlock" enabled. What I described is the default method.

  8. How about the sliding gesture to wipe my ass? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Is that still free to use, or do I owe money to some "innovative" patent troll?

    1. Re:How about the sliding gesture to wipe my ass? by Issarlk · · Score: 1

      Still free to use, but not for long now. I hope you rushed to the patent office to fill it.

    2. Re:How about the sliding gesture to wipe my ass? by siddesu · · Score: 1

      He just proceeded to wipe his ass, then submitted the toilet paper, and unsurprisingly, a very broad patent was granted to him on the spot.

    3. Re:How about the sliding gesture to wipe my ass? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple already own all the patents on crap.

    4. Re:How about the sliding gesture to wipe my ass? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I actually lol'd.

  9. I've got a gesture for the patent office... by msobkow · · Score: 3, Insightful
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    1. Re:I've got a gesture for the patent office... by DeathElk · · Score: 2, Funny
    2. Re:I've got a gesture for the patent office... by rossdee · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't be surprised if someone has already patented that gesture.

      My gesture to the patent office is: ring and little finger and then thumb folded on the palm, middle and index finger in a V hand moved from horizontal to vertical with back of hand toward the recipient.

      (I was born in a commonwealth country, and the cesture dates back to the hundred years war.

    3. Re:I've got a gesture for the patent office... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It probably dates back far longer than that, telling a man that you are fucking his wife has been an insult for millenia. It alludes to the Horned God.

    4. Re:I've got a gesture for the patent office... by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 0

      I think there might be some prior "art" on that one...

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    5. Re:I've got a gesture for the patent office... by gknoy · · Score: 1

      What? Can you link a reference for that? The Wikipedia article ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_sign#Origins ) mentions Agincourt, but nothing about fooling around with peoples' wives.

    6. Re:I've got a gesture for the patent office... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  10. Prior art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Uh yeah, can you say prior art?

    http://www.dreamstime.com/stock-photo-briefcase-lock-image16422460

  11. Apple Vs Predator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWeZOS8ta04

  12. It really is time by saphena · · Score: 2

    that everyone's patent laws were brought sharply up to date by restricting the term to TWO YEARS instead of the hugely anachronistic 20.

    1. Re:It really is time by SuricouRaven · · Score: 0

      Extension seems more likely. Like what happened to copyright. A few major patent holders see that their most profitable patents are near expiration and lobby for an extension, then another, and another. I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet. Technology companies have as much to lose as to gain, but pharmacuticals... patents are pure profit to them.

    2. Re:It really is time by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It is not anachronistic in other fields. The problem with patents on software is not the length of time that the patent is valid, it is the fact that people are being granted patents on mathematics and pictures. Software is already covered by copyright law; why should it also be covered by patent law?

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    3. Re:It really is time by cdrudge · · Score: 2

      Because it makes perfect sense that something that takes years to develop and perfect (e.g. a new medicine, very complex machine, etc) would have a maximum lifespan of 2 years to recoup the development cost.

      Pharmaceutical company: Sure you can take this pill that will save your life. It will only cost you $5m/pill since we have to recoup the $1b development cost.

    4. Re:It really is time by hedwards · · Score: 1

      20 years would be fine if people couldn't get software related patents. 2 years isn't anywhere near enough time for people to make back their money on the R&D side of things these days, it can cost literally billions to bring medications to market, and millions for less expensive things to be brought to market. Even just the fees associated with getting a patent can take up hundreds of thousands of dollars. If people know that they can just wait a couple years, it's much more likely that they will, because having to pay those bills off in such a short period of time would likely lead to a substantial increase in cost.

    5. Re:It really is time by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      Precisely. Patents should be applied depending on the patent in question. It takes a shitload of R&D to create a drug, but it takes a weekend with a little too much creativity to invent something like gesture based unlock.

      Ignoring the whole software vs hardware patent issue, patents in general need to be timed to suit the market. I would propose that patents in technology last a product generation or two. e.g. A swipe unlock patent would last the life of the iPhone 4, when Apple released the iPhone 4S they've made their money and it's time the patent is abolished. That allows the innovating company to remain one step ahead in the market, yet doesn't allow the insanely stupid monopolies on basic ideas we have at the moment.

    6. Re:It really is time by RivenAleem · · Score: 1

      Not to mention the 12 years on average it takes to get from idea to market for any drug.

    7. Re:It really is time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It takes two years just to get a patent in this country. The issue is patents on creative expression like software should not be allowed. The slide to unlock is not an invention any more than a painting or a novel is an invention. The invention is the general purpose computer. The patents on it were granted years ago.

    8. Re:It really is time by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      5 sounds better for software. In two years you're not even on version 2 yet. 20 is ok for new mechanical or electrical patents (ie, not software-logic-in-hardware). Half the duration for refinements of existing patents. 5 years max for pharmaceuticals, no extensions for reformulations or combinations. Zero years for "business practices".

      Basically I think patent times should be somewhat proportional to the expected duration of a product and the amount of time to get a product to market. That's why 20 years for software is stupid because products develop, become popular, decline, and become utterly obsolete in half that time; but 20 years for a mechanical improvement to an engine is more reasonable.

    9. Re:It really is time by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      But most pharma companies aren't devoted to a single drug. Along the way from idea to market you will have parallel drugs being researched, new ideas popping up along the way due to research on the original idea, and so forth. With this idea you may as well say that it was 12 years from the idea of a capacitive touch screen until it actually showed up in a product with gestures; or start counting years in computing starting from ideas of Charles Babbage or John von Neumann.

      Also remember that an idea is not patentable (or at least it was not originally). Originally patents required a model to be filed and that only occurred with a lot of work after the idea came up.

    10. Re:It really is time by pipedwho · · Score: 1

      The problem is patents being granted on relatively obvious/trivial things.

      If something is so clever/original that a patent is required, then it should not be instantly obvious how it works the moment you see the device. And if a couple of third party engineers can spend 5 minutes 'brainstorming' the pertinent methods of the patent without ever reading it, then it is by definition obvious to someone 'skilled in the art'.

      Patents need to be curtailed to the point where it is pretty much impossible to 'accidentally' infringe without a copy of the patent in front of you. In that event, I suspect you'd see far fewer patents being granted than happens now.

  13. some background info on the Dutch ruling by TESTNOK · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here is an article from the FOSS Patents Blog with some details on the case ruled on in last August in the Netherlands, which is what I guess is being referred to as "earlier dismissed in Europe". It's certainly amazing how one judge can say "this clearly existed before" and another can say "no it didn't" based on the same info.

    1. Re:some background info on the Dutch ruling by Richard_at_work · · Score: 2

      It's not really that amazing if you take into account that the judges are in completely different jurisdictions with differing laws and criteria for determinations of this sort.

    2. Re:some background info on the Dutch ruling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's less amazing when you recognise America's history of protectionism when it comes to this type of thing.

      I guarantee if someone like HTC or Samsung had gone for the same patent they would not have been granted it.

      "Great American Companies" (tm) have a massive advantage of widespread patriotic bias on their home turf in the courts and at the patent office.

    3. Re:some background info on the Dutch ruling by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 1

      It's still amazing, since the case illustrates that one or both of the judges do not base their decisions on facts, or at least that the facts are weighted in contradictory ways by differing jurisdictions -- something which a layman wouldn't readily expect.

    4. Re:some background info on the Dutch ruling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please take anything from FOSSPATENTS with a really big pinch of salt.
      That site is run by a paid Microsoft Shill.

    5. Re:some background info on the Dutch ruling by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      It's still amazing, since the case illustrates that one or both of the judges do not base their decisions on facts

      I wouldn't say that at all - thats quite a leap infact to state that. Judges make their decisions on the basis of the laws infront of them - if the law in one jurisdiction has a higher bar for prior art than in another (eg "this or any form of this can be considered prior art" vs "only an exact version of this can be considered prior art") then the decision will be duly affected.

      Also, this isn't about "facts", this is about subjective decisions concerning what is and what is not similar in form and function to the described behaviour in the patent application (subjective because those decisions are weighted by the jurisdictions, as you go on to say). There is no such thing as a "fact" in this case.

      or at least that the facts are weighted in contradictory ways by differing jurisdictions -- something which a layman wouldn't readily expect.

      Really? That laws are laid out differently in different countries is difficult for a layman to expect? How come that doesn't seem to be an issue for any other law?

    6. Re:some background info on the Dutch ruling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most people don't realize that US TV law doesn't apply to most of the world.
      Some people have gotten in pretty big trouble not realizing that they aren't in TV land.

      Every now and then there will a public case where someone in some "foreign" country breaks a law and is surprised that they don't have the right to remain silent, they aren't presumed innocent etc. It isn't all that shocking.

    7. Re:some background info on the Dutch ruling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's pretty simple really: Apple is a US company, Samsung is not. You're usually fucked if you try to win a lawsuit against a US company in the US. They're very ... patriotic. On the other hand: neither are EU companies.

    8. Re:some background info on the Dutch ruling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple is a US company. The USA is a industrial feudalism (the EU isn't far from it either, and Korea and Japan have long traditions of it). This means that there is a revolving door between people in companies working with the courts and people in the courts working with companies, and that judges have a price tag. (Hey, "free economy, biatch!" ^^. [Tip: Here "free" also means "no laws".])

      So I'm seriously shocked that you're still surprised. Maybe that house in that crater cave on the back side of the moon wasn't the best choice to stay up-to-date? ;)

    9. Re:some background info on the Dutch ruling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's even less amazing than that if you take into account that the European patent was invalidated by a judge in a lawsuit, while the American patent was just now approved by a patent clerk. Apples and bananas, so to speak.

      I think if Apple sues Samsung over this patent in the US like they did in Europe, it would be invalidated here as well.

  14. Prior art? by mykos · · Score: 5, Insightful
    1. Re:Prior art? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A bolt is not a touch screen

    2. Re:Prior art? by mamas · · Score: 2, Insightful

      By that reasoning, everything you do in the analog world that will be replicated in the digital world is patentable as "innovation".

      E.g., under that reasoning, I would patent a method to input text letter by letter, by pressing specific areas in a touchscreen, which may or may not have the letters drown on the touchscreen.

      Then you'd say, a "keyboard is not a touch screen".

    3. Re:Prior art? by am+2k · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But it's on a phone, so it's something completely new and nonobvious! "On the Internet" patents are soo 2000.

    4. Re:Prior art? by alendit · · Score: 2

      Don't give Apple stupid ideas...

    5. Re:Prior art? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My mobile phone has a physical qwerty keyboard which I slide to open and even if the phone keypad is locked this 'slide' action unlocks it. So how is a physical slide unlocking different from the virtual one which iPhone uses?
      Oh wait, the patent may be having details on how to hold the phone while unlocking it. That must be the real idea!!!

    6. Re:Prior art? by TheFakeMcCoy · · Score: 1

      I like that there is a photo of a racoon halfway through the images. I am submitting my patent for raccon to unlock as week speak.

    7. Re:Prior art? by ericdewey · · Score: 1

      Do you really think they haven't already thought of this?

    8. Re:Prior art? by Myopic · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Agreed. Here's more. Did the patent office not look very hard for prior art? I only had to look for about two seconds:

      http://www.toolzone.com/acatalog/info_DW1363.html

      There it is: a slide-to-unlock mechanism, already implemented, on a handheld device even, available for many decades.

      The problem with the patent system is not the theory but rather the implementation we have in this country. Patents are theoretically okay, but they are actually bad. Apparently prior art like I have quoted here, and which is widely available, I'm sure, in many other products, doesn't count -- and that's a problem. It SHOULD count.

    9. Re:Prior art? by g00ey · · Score: 1

      The Swedish company Neonode released the Neonode N1 bwfore the iphone and it had a slide unlock. Here's a ruling from a Dutch court addressing this:

      "Apple’s patent for swiping onscreen to unlock a device was filed in late 2005, although a little-known Swedish mobile phone manufacturer Neonode was already implementing a similar mechanism on a Windows CE-powered device called the N1M. Further, Samsung has put forward as evidence some articles from 1992 about a “touchscreen toggle design," as well as early examples of software that use a sliding toggle switch from the early 2000s. All these point to the claim that Apple was not first to market slide-to-unlock mechanisms, but these were already present in existing technologies and, therefore, cannot be patented."

      Here's a video of the Neonode N2 showing how the unlock slide function works. The N2 was released after the iphone but as stated, the N1 which was released before the iphone had the very same feature.

    10. Re:Prior art? by idontgno · · Score: 1

      I believe the Apple response can be characterized thus:

      Apple: "That doesn't count."

      Court: "Why doesn't that count?"

      Apple: "Because it makes us look bad."

      This is where European and U.S. reality would diverge.

      Euro Court: "Too bad. You lose. You get nothing! Good day Sir!"

      U.S. Court: "Oooh, good point. Objection sustained. This 'prior art' is disregarded. Apple is awarded the patent and a lifetime supply of Everlasting Gobstoppers. Court is adjourned!"

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    11. Re:Prior art? by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 2

      Yes, but you missed the "on a screen" part. Didn't you know that transposing physical activities to a computer screen require great leaps of individual insight? Clearly, YOU didn't think of it, or you would have already patented it.

      Now bend over. Apple does not like to lube up.

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    12. Re:Prior art? by fgodfrey · · Score: 1

      Remember that in the US, until it changes next year, it's "first to invent" not "first to file". This page: http://www.iusmentis.com/patents/uspto-epodiff/ as well as a few others lead me to believe that is not the case in Europe.

      Presumably, Apple didn't invent this in 1992, so the "touchscreen toggle design" may be prior art. However, it's pretty plausible that they invented it before the N1M came to market (it was announced in 1st quarter of 2005 and the Apple patent application was from later that year). If that's true, the N1M "doesn't count" and it's a more subjective judgement on whether the touchscreen toggle is similar enough.

      Another key point is that the Dutch patent has apparently been through a court, whereas the American one hasn't. That means that the only people who have considered prior art for this are a small number patent examiners.

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  15. More Demantia from Software Patents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nothing to see here. Except perhaps the crazy types who occasionally show up to try and defend this insanity.

  16. 'predefined' by quick_dry_3 · · Score: 1

    I admit to only a quick scan through of the patent doc - but if they're 'predefined' paths, whether or not this is dismissed as prior art, does it count as a predefined path if you nominate your end points to swipe, or just have a swipe in some general direction e.g. left right, or up/down anywhere on the screen... then there was the Android style of sensing a swipe pattern. Would these fall foul? or only an iOS style "here is the predefined one way to unlock" built in to the OS?

    1. Re:'predefined' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Read claim 2.

  17. Damnit by balaband · · Score: 1

    ...now I have to get rid of chain lock on my house door.

  18. fire them by SuperDre · · Score: 1

    How is it possible for the USPTO to grant the patent when there is prior art (which doesn't matter where it was done first)? This seems like a big 'here you have some cash boy and grant us the patent'. So no matter what, they should fire a lot of people at USPTO as they are NOT doing their work as it should (or because they got a bribe or they just didn't search enough).. So on the otherhand it won't be difficult to get the patent invalidated again as it has prior art..

    1. Re:fire them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they are that blind, or corrupt then please someone, Quickly patent the word Apple at the USPTO.

    2. Re:fire them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It took them 5 years. Apple probably paid them to postpone it for 5 years.

    3. Re:fire them by tfg004 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      When a patent gets invalidated, the USPTO should be forced to return the fees.
      Then it won't take long before they finally learn how to do their work properly.

    4. Re:fire them by Lorien_the_first_one · · Score: 1

      I'll go one step further: all patent licensing agreements must be made public and include terms for a refund from the date of the agreement should a patent be invalidated. Patents are a public good issued by the government and their trade and licensing should be highly regulated.

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    5. Re:fire them by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 1

      ...How is it possible for the USPTO to grant the patent when there is prior art (which doesn't matter where it was done first)...

      Money.

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    6. Re:fire them by Jerry+Atrick · · Score: 1

      How is it possible for the USPTO to grant the patent when there is prior art (which doesn't matter where it was done first)?

      Before the America Invents changes the US patent system habitually ignored foreign prior art. Where they did consider it the 12 month window between invention and publication worked for US inventors and allowed them to grab patents on already published ideas.

      That loophole should now be closed but it may be too late for this patent.

    7. Re:fire them by geekoid · · Score: 1

      IT's the applicants responsibility to look for prior art, as a whole. The patent office looks through it patent documents to determine if it's awarded; even then they are very clear that it is still the applicant responsibility.

      They can not go to Google and search and declare prior art, not should they.

      Also, when showing prior art you need to remember that it would only count for prior art prior to the application, not approval.

      The ONLY reform the patent office needed was for congress to keep it's fingers out if the patent offices money.

      IT seems the way it does too you because you are looking through a keyhole and only see a tiny glimpse of how it works.

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  19. Nokia physical slider by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Does this mean that Nokia's physical slider for unlocking phones is patentable? I wonder if Nokia has a patent for that and if not, whether USPTO would grant one?

  20. patent a gesture? by ticktickboom · · Score: 0

    patent a way you move your hands? is it jsut me or is it getting a lil silly. im gonna patent heavy breathing.....

    1. Re:patent a gesture? by MadMaverick9 · · Score: 2

      it's a desperate move.

      europe and usa do not have any manufacturing at all. well - almost next to nothing. most manufacturing has been moved to low-cost countries.

      and so - knowledge is all that these companies are left with. they desperately try to hold on to it with patents.

      but - they forget one important rule ...

      knowledge wants to be free.

    2. Re:patent a gesture? by downhole · · Score: 1

      Could you please tell our manufacturing guys downstairs that they don't manufacture anything? I heard the total output is worth a few tens of millions, but it must all be a mistake. I'm sure you'll clear it up for them, though.

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    3. Re:patent a gesture? by shmlco · · Score: 1

      How about the whole quote?

      "On the one hand information wants to be expensive, because it's so valuable. The right information in the right place just changes your life. On the other hand, information wants to be free, because the cost of getting it out is getting lower and lower all the time. So you have these two fighting against each other. ~ Stewart Brand"

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    4. Re:patent a gesture? by MadMaverick9 · · Score: 1

      you obviously work in one of those low-cost countries then. you lucky ...

      Europe - Manufacturing

      However, because of the higher wage level and hence production costs, Western Europe is suffering from deindustrialization and offshoring in the traditional (labour intensive) manufacturing sectors. This means that manufacturing has become less important in Western Europe and that jobs are moved to cheaper regions (mainly China and Eastern Europe).

      And I am quite certain the same applies to the usa.

    5. Re:patent a gesture? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget the other quote that's wildly taken out of context to make the opposite argument of its original author -- "You can't build your way out of congestion". The actual quote was from a TxDOT official, and was something substantially similar to "You can't build your way out of congestion one or two lanes at a time." He wasn't arguing that it's futile to try and increase freeway capacity, he was arguing that if you want to make a real difference, you can't piss around adding another pair of lanes every 10-20 years. You have to profoundly improve the entire road and the roads that feed it -- rebuild it with 5 or 6 mainline lanes in each direction, flanked by 3 or 4 more lanes on each side serving 3-5 mile stretches with the actual exits, and braided ramps to eliminate weaving. Then take the arterials that interchange with the freeways, and build SPUIs at any intersection with two roads having 3 or more lanes each way.

      For the unbelievers, go to Dallas or Houston and drive around for a while. Head north from downtown Dallas on the Central Expressway, and arrive in Plano convinced that God Himself is a highway engineer, and personally blessed the state of Texas with his wisdom. That road's so awesome, it's borderline erotic. More importantly, Texas has proved that it *is* possible to build your way out of congestion. The environmentalists can whinge about sustainability and carbon, but the fact is, if you want to live 40 miles away from downtown, pretend you're a gentleman rancher who could theoretically own a horse someday, and get to the office in 30 minutes with traffic... Texas is definitely the place to do it.

  21. Childish by jevring · · Score: 3, Interesting

    All I see is "wahh, waah, we want to be a monopoly!" I hear that doesn't get people attention from the government at all.

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    1. Re:Childish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ya, Apple used to be about being innovative and having the best product, and beating competition in a fair market place. I guess they are switching tactics to having great lawyers. With Steve Jobs gone it's probably their best move anyway.

    2. Re:Childish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No doubt. This is getting ridiculous. A patent for a gesture? I think a lot of us have a gesture for Apple.

    3. Re:Childish by poofmeisterp · · Score: 1

      All I see is "wahh, waah, we want to be a monopoly!"
      I hear that doesn't get people attention from the government at all.

      Last I checked, monopoly is a position frowned upon in the U.S., yet we have patent processes that are set up to do nothing but provide fodder that kind of activity. Whaaaa?

    4. Re:Childish by jevring · · Score: 1

      This is what this makes me think about.

      Hahaha, that's awesome and incredibly accurate! =)

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  22. Neonode N1M - prior art by __Paul__ · · Score: 5, Informative

    Given that the Neonode N1M is likely to be considered prior art, how would one go about getting the patent ruled invalid?

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    1. Re:Neonode N1M - prior art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For patents which are requested before the new patent firs-to-file patent system, the only prior art which counts are official scientific publications and other patents. Actual implementations which are produced and traded do not count as prior art.

      It was possible to patent the coca cola cola formula and then force the coca cola company to stop product coca cola, since coca cola never published the formula nor patented it.

    2. Re:Neonode N1M - prior art by jeti · · Score: 1

      The Neonode N1M is one of the reasons Apples original patent (EP 1964022) has been invalidated by a Dutch court. The new patent is an extension of the invalidated one. If I understand it correctly, the new version describes the option of unlocking a device with several different gestures. You can f.e. unlock a phone in phone mode by swiping to the right and unlock it in camera mode by swiping to the left.

    3. Re:Neonode N1M - prior art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Given that the Neonode N1M is likely to be considered prior art, how would one go about getting the patent ruled invalid?

      Does this patent count before or after the US changed to first-to-file? If after, prior art doesn't matter anymore since whomever invented it first no longer matters, only who patents it first does.

      Only way the Neonode N1M can be prior art now is if they go back in time and file before Apple does :(

    4. Re:Neonode N1M - prior art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like this? Peer Review Pilot FY2011
      http://www.uspto.gov/patents/init_events/peerpriorartpilotindex.jsp

    5. Re:Neonode N1M - prior art by hedwards · · Score: 1

      Prior art shouldn't come into play, this "invention" is terribly obvious. There's only a handful of ways of unlocking a phone which don't utilize a hardware toggly switch.

    6. Re:Neonode N1M - prior art by Kristian+T. · · Score: 1

      As I understand it, the US changed it's "first-to-invent" to the "first-to-file" system used in most of the rest of the world. And here where I live (in Denmark) that also means that you can't patent things that are already in the public. I've even heard of smaller companies paying obscure hobbyist magazines for publishing minor inventions - just to prevent others patenting something they waee not willing to pay for patenting themselves. I also doubt you could patent the wheel - even though there are no patents on that. The coca cola formula is a trade secret unknown to the public, and probably could be patented - at least if it did something new and non-obvious. Trade secrets and patents are by definition mutually exclusive. If someone somewhere posted a review describing the locking feature of the N1M in a public forum or magazine - it's not patentable.

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    7. Re:Neonode N1M - prior art by dzfoo · · Score: 1

      >> You can f.e. unlock a phone in phone mode by swiping to the right and unlock it in camera mode by swiping to the left.

      Not to be a pedant, but just wanted to offer a suggestion: You should use "e.g." instead of "f.e." which has been long established as the common abbreviation of "for example" or "for instance."

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    8. Re:Neonode N1M - prior art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's the key difference:

      "The device displays one or more unlock images with respect to which the predefined gesture is to be performed in order to unlock the device. The performance of the predefined gesture with respect to the unlock image may include moving the unlock image to a predefined location and/or moving the unlock image along a predefined path. The device may also display visual cues of the predefined gesture on the touch screen to remind a user of the gesture."

      From the looks of the Neonode N1M, they didn't have this sort of UI element

    9. Re:Neonode N1M - prior art by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      From the looks of the Neonode N1M, they didn't have this sort of UI element

      It's true, but still terribly obvious.

      With any HID [device] there are a certain number of verbs available. With a mouse it's 'move' (direction/speed being the parameters) and 'click' (button number, frequency, simultaneity).

      With a touchscreen it's 'tap' (location, duration, frequency, simultaneity) and 'drag' (start, end, path and velocity for n inputs), the latter being used to define gestures.

      To do anything on a GUI the programmer has to work with the available verbs. On my phone with hard buttons, I have different ones assigned to different modes (e.g. if I hold down button 4, it'll turn on in camera mode). On a touchscreen that's not an option, so varying user inputs are required to start in different modes (starting in different modes is well-established, not unique here).

      So, the part in question is how to help the user remember which gesture to use. This is a coffee-machine level conversation.

      Bob: "It's hard to remember which gesture to use to wake in the right mode."
      Alice: "So draw a hint on the screen to identify the target."
      Bob: "Right, good idea."

      But then the patent system installs a parasite lawyer at the end of that conversation:

      Mallory: "Oh, we should patent that!"

      The logical, legal, but unethical thing to do then is to sit down, identify every mode a smart phone can be in, identify each action possible at that state, and then apply each available verb to the action, and file a patent application. This will sew-up the entire market from being viable outside of a courtroom.

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    10. Re:Neonode N1M - prior art by jeti · · Score: 1

      I don't like it. I'd be switching the language in mid-sentence for no good reason. And pretending to understand a language that you don't, has a lot of potential for embarrassment.

  23. ow I have to get rid of chain lock on my house doo by httpxn--21-9kcepstre · · Score: 1

    that everyone's patent laws were brought sharply up to date by restricting the term to TWO YEARS instead of the hugely anachronistic 20. http://xn--21-9kcepstre5j7bf.xn--p1ai/

  24. Don't blame Henry Ford by Kupfernigk · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I know what you mean but you have it backward. Ford was trolled by the Apples of his day (the low volume high cost carmakers) who claimed to have patented everything from the wheel up. He had to spend years and a lot of money fighting them. He won, and the car was democratised. Whatever his faults, Henry Ford ought to have some special place as a Slashdot hero, because in a sense he "open sourced" the motor car.

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    1. Re:Don't blame Henry Ford by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      Ford was arguably more of a 'Compaq' figure than an OSS one. The latter arguably depends on the former(if computing were still split between IBM mainframes and 'cheap' $120,000 PDPs, software licenses would be basically irrelevant to almost everybody because they couldn't afford hardware; and if cars were still low-volume boutique items, we certainly wouldn't have millions of weekend mechanics tinkering in their garages); but Ford didn't really look to change the nature of the relationship between the producer and the consumer, he just walked into a cozy little market and blew the bottom out of the price and the top off the volume.

      This does not diminish the magnitude of his achievement; but it was arguably a different genre of achievement.

    2. Re:Don't blame Henry Ford by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 2

      if computing were still split between IBM mainframes and 'cheap' $120,000 PDPs, software licenses would be basically irrelevant to almost everybody because they couldn't afford hardware

      Actually, software licenses would still be relevant to the majority of people:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utility_computing

      Before the development of the personal computer, the plan was to put a computer terminal in everyone's homes, and to charge people for the amount of CPU time and memory that they used. People would have been expected to abide by software licenses, since they could theoretically buy and use software on whatever mainframe they were using. It is likely that licenses would be enforced by the computation utility companies, which might have even been mandated by law.

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    3. Re:Don't blame Henry Ford by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 1

      Ford didn't really look to change the nature of the relationship between the producer and the consumer, he just walked into a cozy little market and blew the bottom out of the price and the top off the volume.

      That a great quote!

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  25. Well what about this ? by giorgist · · Score: 5, Informative

    Announced 1Q, 2005
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj-KS2kfIr0

    Go to 4:00 to see the slide to unlock in action ...

    Now Apple requested the patent on December 2005, I am guessing some form of prior art should kill that.

    1. Re:Well what about this ? by backslashdot · · Score: 0

      That video is from mid 2007 and the reviewer implies that the phone is just released.. also it doesn't prove that they didnt include slide to unlock after seeing it at the iPhone launch in January 2007.

      I agree the slide to unlock gesture shouldn't get a patent .. but what you've shown isn't proof.

    2. Re:Well what about this ? by nonicknameavailable · · Score: 5, Informative

      Neonode N1m was released in 2005

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    3. Re:Well what about this ? by crossword.bob · · Score: 2

      I'm not seeing "one or more unlock images with respect to which the predefined gesture is to be performed in order to unlock the device."

    4. Re:Well what about this ? by the+entropy · · Score: 1

      Furthermore, at some point around 4:30 she says 'it's a 2 to 3 year old device now'

    5. Re:Well what about this ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Either the video is flipped or that lady doesn't know her right from her left

    6. Re:Well what about this ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interesting they "Slide" to lock and "Sweep" to unlock.

    7. Re:Well what about this ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now that the US is a first to file country, then prior art doesn't matter. At least that is the way I understood the first to file notion.

      So the only way now to debunk a patent is if it is obvious. If there is prior art, and they didn't file, it doesn't exist. (At least in my limited understanding of what was signed into law a couple months ago.)

    8. Re:Well what about this ? by mr100percent · · Score: 1

      The US changed recently from a "first to invent" patent system to a "first to file" system. That was actually part of the patent reform, since the courts were having to decide who invented stuff first and it got contentious.

    9. Re:Well what about this ? by 517714 · · Score: 1

      Announced is irrelevant if changes were made before release. That phone was not released until August 2007 - well after the Apple application.

      How about GSPlayer? It is a free media player for Windows Mobile v2.25 that was released August 6 2006, and it has a slide to unlock screen.

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    10. Re:Well what about this ? by Timmmm · · Score: 2

      Nope, the patent is quite specific about there being an actual graphical thing that is dragged, and that there are graphical cues for the gesture.

    11. Re:Well what about this ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it was released in 2005 not 2007

    12. Re:Well what about this ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From what I've seen, Apple's patent specifically covers interacting with an icon rather than just the swipe gesture. In Europe they said that the move from what you linked to, to adding an icon, was obvious, and hence not patentable. In the US they obviously decided the other way.

    13. Re:Well what about this ? by sapphire+wyvern · · Score: 1

      First to File does not override prior art. Patents must still be novel. First to File is only used to determine priority between two patents claiming the same novel invention; it has no effect on prior art at all.

      The USPTO might still grant patents on obvious, non-novel stuff with prior art. But that's due to patent office incompetence and/or overloading, not First To File.

      I see this misconception all the time on Slashdot.

    14. Re:Well what about this ? by mrstrano · · Score: 1

      A Slashdot-like service should be integrated in the patent review system. It appears to me that, every time there is a new software patent that makes it on Slashdot, in a matter of minutes somebody will find some relevant and non-trivial prior art. Just like the parent poster and others around did. I think that a patent should be pre-issued and be in an informal "challenge" phase. In this phase, the patent could be set up on a moderated website like Slashdot where people can point out the relevant prior art. If the patent remains unchallenged it can be granted, otherwise the patent office can take a couple more days to analyse the top "challengers".

      I know that, theoretically, a system like this is already in place, since after the patent is granted it can be challenged in a court of law. However, this system is prone to abuse and too expensive.

  26. This is sick by Pecisk · · Score: 1

    This only makes my determination to never buy anything Apple related stronger. Yes, other corps are "evil" too, sometimes patenting stuff which is too obvious, but this is one shining example of ignorance and greed (USPO also continues to "amaze" me). Apple which I known for openness and will of providing amazing tech has grown into controlling monster of greed. It seems that most IT business success stories in US ends up like that.

    I won't even bother to comment about obviousness of this patent. Maybe there was a reason why Jobs died from cancer.

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    1. Re:This is sick by Lawrence_Bird · · Score: 1

      People get all teary eyed talking about Jobs but they fail to distinguish the Apple of the 70s and 80s vs the Second Coming of iSteve. The Latter Day Apple is nothing but sheer evil and was driven to this by the iSteve. Crap like this patent (ignoring for a moment the stupidity of the US patent office) is a perfect example. This was obvious. It existed before. And just because you used it too does that mean you should seek a patent on it? Is Apple that insecure? That much of a whore? Will your whole business model come crashing down if you don't patent the obvious?

  27. its the time frame which matters by e**(i+pi)-1 · · Score: 0, Troll

    While a lot of patents are nonsense and software patents in general, it still amazes me how fast things are now adapted in the case of the iphone. We would still have phones with thousand of buttons and switches if apple would not have shown an other way. The sliding idea to unlock the device was new and the engineer who has invented it should has his or her invention protected for a while. Innovation should be rewarded for a couple of years but then freed up. It is the time frame which is a problem. Intellectual property and patent protection should last only a couple of years, but enforced strongly. This gives the artist or inventor a living for a few years. 10 years maximum. After that, the technology or art should go in the public domain. The inventor or artist will be forced to become creative again. I do not know how fast the code for the iphone could have been adapted and copied so fast by others. The only obvious mechanism which comes to mind is that today when we give email and other communication services more and more to external companies, this information is also mined. An apple engineer using an external free email service for example might give away a lot of code just by communicating with others about the projects. In the case of the iphone, the adaption went too fast. When introduced in 2007, the iphone had a lot of innovative features. The interface,including the way how to interact with the device would be unlocked, was new. 2010, three years after, almost identical competitors were already outselling them. Of course this is good for us customers, but the question is, whether in the future, there will be an other boost of innovation from companies. I mean innovation, not just copying or refining what has been done before. If the risk that your innovation is copied in 3 years and outselling yours, there is no point any more for such exploits. For apple it still worked, but who will dare such a thing again? Again: protect intellectual property, new ideas and new art vigorously, go after copy-cats, freeloaders and rip-offs, but then free the technology or art after a decade.

    1. Re:its the time frame which matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "We would still have phones with thousand of buttons and switches if apple would not have shown an other way."

      The technology to enable this needed to exist first - the big shiny touchscreen which allows the iPhone to be an iPhone didn't exist previously (at least not to a sufficient level of sophistication). It is fallacious to suggest that no-one else would have done it just because Apple got a high profile product using it out the door before others.

    2. Re:its the time frame which matters by daid303 · · Score: 1

      The LG-Shine was slide to unlock. And I think many phones before that had a slide to unlock feature. They where sliding phones. So, just apply that to a touchscreen and you have slide to unlock on the iPhone. A good idea, yes. Mind-blowing innovating, no. Should be used to kill competition?... I'm sorry, what was the idea behind patents again?

    3. Re:its the time frame which matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I hate to break this to you but Apple invented Jack a shite ... and Jack left town a looong time ago.

      The first company to get rid of most buttons on a mobile phone would have been IBM. Try the IBM Simon Personal Communicator (1993) on for size and tell me why IBM doesnt get the credit for a keyless touch screen phone?

    4. Re:its the time frame which matters by FTWinston · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We would still have phones with thousand of buttons and switches if apple would not have shown an other way.

      Guess you never used a Palm Pilot?

    5. Re:its the time frame which matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      We would still have phones with thousand of buttons and switches if apple would not have shown an other way.

      Really? We wouldn't have got there any other way? I give you the LG Prada. Announced before the iPhone. Released before the iPhone.

    6. Re:its the time frame which matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      haha patenting slide to unlock - only in America

    7. Re:its the time frame which matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not really, virtually all iphone "innovations" from using only a touchscreen to the physical appearance of the device had been done and exhibited at trade shows by other companies a year before or more. Considering how much apple whine about other companies supposedly stealing their ideas, they sure do a lot of it themselves. (This trend continues with the 4S, e.g. good voice recognition is nothing new - although Siri does make the innovation of being massively insecure by default.) All apple did was bring these things together, market them well and get the usual OMG APPLE OH GOD STEVE LET ME COME INSIDE YOU HNNNG free ride in the press.

    8. Re:its the time frame which matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except palm released pda's (V, Vx and probably more before then) with phone functions back in the 90's with only 5 buttons on the front and the rest of the device was touch screen. Apple did nothing that had not already been done.

    9. Re:its the time frame which matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All the talk about forcing/rewarding creativity aside, just have a look at the video review of the neode n1m posted above ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj-KS2kfIr0 ). This was released in March 2005 (i.e. two years before the iphone) and has a slide to unlock gesture and a is pretty close to a touch-only interface.

      The only thing that apple has shown (as always) was that they understand how to use (other people's) innovative ideas and create well polished products with them.
      While you are right that the question of what will make innovators continue innovating if all their ideas are being copied and used by other people to reap higher profits is an important one - you should note that apple is not the one innovating here.

    10. Re:its the time frame which matters by shadowrat · · Score: 1

      The palm pilot was an elegant device. It had been dead and buried when the iPhone appeared. Palm had been producing phones for years. The palm phones, prior to the pre, were a giant mass of buttons and switches with a kludgy windows phone operating system.

    11. Re:its the time frame which matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rubbish. Windows mobiles has had slide to do stuff for a long time. It's just an interface element. The patent is totally retarded. It's like patenting a switch for a specific use. For example, you take a switch normally used to turn lights on and off, then use it to turn some other electrical alliance on and off and patent it. It's a joke. There is no way this patent can be valid. The only conclusion is some corruption in the patent office favouring certain companies. Both the US patent office and Apple should be investigated for antitrust. The EU should ban Apple products until the situation is resolved. The government is interfering with the market and fair trade if it allows such patents as it unfairly stifles the competition in the US. It means that Apple can export a fully featured device to Europe but a European producer cannot ship a fully featured device to the US. Protectionism. They should be punished for it. Ban all Apple exports to the EU.

    12. Re:its the time frame which matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Guess you never used a Palm Pilot?

      Which one? All I can see is ones with buttons ranging from few in number to heaps.

    13. Re:its the time frame which matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, because before the iPhone, the "smart" phones that were like PDAs or Palm Pilots (Treo, for example) didn't have a lot of buttons, shoddy software with a generally terrible user interface, and a stylus nobody really wanted to use.

    14. Re:its the time frame which matters by cbope · · Score: 1

      Or any of the literally DOZENS of other small handheld computing devices which had touchscreens long before iDevices. It amazes me how widespread tunnel vision is among Apple fanbois.

    15. Re:its the time frame which matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      iPhone has no innovation same as iPad and same as iPod.... these are devices created on backs of technologies that have existed for a long time before they got an idea even to make one. What Apple was good at is making quality product simple and easy to use and market it to general public. You are one ignorant Apple kiss ass obviously non-technical person and it's a shame you got rated Insightful.

      Zipper is a prior art to this slider button... giving Apple patent on this insane.

    16. Re:its the time frame which matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just FYI, when everybody and their dog can see something as obvious, you're not inventing anything. And the people who also use the idea are not thieves, copycats, hacks or con artists.

      The inventor or artist will be forced to become creative again.

      No, no we can't. The patents on things which are completely obvious to even the non-expert which are granted are insane. If you really want to innovate, you have to hire a team of patent lawyers just to make sure you're not obviously "infringing" on some dumbass patent. Then you have to pay them to fight off lawsuits from a dozen other patent holding troll companies who don't even understand enough to know that you are not even close to infringing on theirs.

      It's a nightmare. You're only supposed to be able to patent things which are actually innovative and "Non-obvious to an expert in the field." But we hand the damn things out like candy, and most of them are so poorly written that there is no way to even tell if your code is violating one.

      When introduced in 2007, the iphone had a lot of innovative features. The interface,including the way how to interact with the device would be unlocked, was new.

      In what way, specifically? Yes, you need to specifically quantify in what fashion the features were new, innovative, and non-obvious to an expert. Because all I have to do is show that my design offers some amount of significant difference from yours, and if you cannot even quantify what makes yours unique, how can you claim that mine is not better? And more to the point, how can I prove mine is better in court, if you do not even have to supply a reason for how yours is unique to start with? Just saying "nobody used that shape in this specific application" is NOT enough- you have to say exactly WHY that shape makes any difference at all. And that is what is wrong with the patents.

    17. Re:its the time frame which matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is this insightful? Is everyone here a teenager who never saw a Palm device? Also, slide to unlock was around before the iphone

    18. Re:its the time frame which matters by FTWinston · · Score: 1

      Apart from the latter "w" handsets, the Treo series ran PalmOS, and from the 600 onwards, had a form factor very similar to modern blackberry devices. I had several, and felt that the OS was very good for its time. It just stagnated, and by the time the 680 came out (identical to 650, except for internal antenna and lower battery capacity), it became clear that PalmOS wasn't able to keep up with ... anyone else.

    19. Re:its the time frame which matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Guess you never used a Palm Pilot?

      To make a phone call?

    20. Re:its the time frame which matters by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 1

      if apple would not have shown an other way

      1. Apple did not invent the touch screen, nor did Apple invent the idea of using a touch screen in lieu of a lot of buttons.
      2. Buttons are more useful for data entry. That is why you have a keyboard attached to your computer.
      3. Apple happened to do a better job at marketing the technology than other companies did. Give credit where it is due, and only where it is due.
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    21. Re:its the time frame which matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Touch screens have been around since the 90s. Nothing on the iphone was innovative, other than than "on a phone (if we ignore Nokia in Japan)". A screen is a screen, a CPU is a CPU, the only difference is formfactor, which is a function of time and what you can fit into a given size.for a particular price. You Apple zealots need to stop being obsessed with one company's product and bother to look at what's already available all around the world. You can stick to your inferior Apple fashion statements, by all means, but stop fucking pretending there isn't any alternatives, that Apple are blatantly copying.

    22. Re:its the time frame which matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I have. I had the second release of the Palm in the mid/late 90s. It had a "slide-to-unlock" feature.

      The Palm Pilot was a popular and widely-sold consumer electronics device. The USPTO is either corrupt or staffed with incompetents.

    23. Re:its the time frame which matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Palm was started by a bunch of ex-Newton people.

    24. Re:its the time frame which matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Palm pilots were phones?

    25. Re:its the time frame which matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "If the risk that your innovation is copied in 3 years and outselling yours, there is no point any more for such exploits."

      Um, last I checked, Apple was still making tons of money off the iPhone, irrespective of what any other companies are doing. The iPhone borrowed heavily from many earlier devices, but put it all into a much more polished package than anyone had done before.

      The crux is, are patents necessary to get people to "dare such a thing again", as you put it? I really, really doubt it. The purpose of patents, copyrights, and "IP law" in general is not to maximize income for inventors (not that most patents these days could be considered "inventions") and writers, it is to encourage invention and writing. Competition is a fact of life.

      Two decades ago, Apple tried to use "IP law" to keep anyone else from offering GUI-based operating systems, saying they infringed on the "look and feel" of the Macintosh. This smells of much the same thing.

    26. Re:its the time frame which matters by pruss · · Score: 1

      Some some Palm phones used Windows Mobile, but most used PalmOS.

      A mass of buttons is great. You can assign all sorts of functions to different keys (e.g., using third-party software) and then invoke them very quickly. You can do a lot of things without looking much at the screen (some you needed third-party software for). While you lose elegance of interface with lots of hardware keys, my impression is that PalmOS power users used the limited number of hardware keys heavily, and would have welcomed more. And a built-in keyboard is great for speeding up scrolling through lists, by typing the first letter or two of the item.

      My phone is still a Treo 700P. Does just about everything I want in a phone well, except that the web browser is crummy and the best PDF viewer is slow.

    27. Re:its the time frame which matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While a lot of patents are nonsense and software patents in general, it still amazes me how fast things are now adapted in the case of the iphone. We would still have phones with thousand of buttons and switches if apple would not have shown an other way.

      Ummm, I've never seen a phone with hundred buttons, let alone a thousand. And I LIKE the keyboard on my non-iphone - I can type much faster with a real keyboard.

      I do not know how fast the code for the iphone could have been adapted and copied so fast by others.

      Are you insane? No one is claiming the iphone source code was copied.

      Some people say the look & feel of the iphone was copied by some cell phone manufacturers. And generally speaking, look & feel isn't protectable by patent or copyright.

      When introduced in 2007, the iphone had a lot of innovative features.

      Yes, like taking control out of the hands of the user/owner, and the manufacturer retaining full control of the device.

      Again: protect intellectual property, new ideas and new art vigorously, go after copy-cats, freeloaders and rip-offs, but then free the technology or art after a decade.

      Ideas are not protectable in law. Go learn about copyright, patents & trademarks, then come back for an intelligent discussion.

    28. Re:its the time frame which matters by nedlohs · · Score: 1

      And yet in 2001 I saw CS students turn an iPAQ (Oh shit it had a name starting with i even) into a SIP phone without thousands of buttons and switches. And of course all the pre-iPhone full touch screen PDAs and phones that weren't named iPAQ.

      Also note that Apple has made a fortune on the iPhone, so that they have some competition didn't seem to harm them too much. They've already been rewarded for their invention without the need for patenting things which are completely obvious and functional.

    29. Re:its the time frame which matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So suppose there were no patents. Do you really believe that the engineer in question would then have not thought of slide to unlock because he knew his company wouldn't get to have a patent on it? Of course that's not how it works. The engineer was trying to make a good product, and then afterwards some corporate lawyer looked into what could be patented. That it promotes progress is the only justification for patents, yet in the case you bring up, it does the exact opposite since it restricts ideas from spreading without doing anything to promote those ideas. Also, it causes massive lawsuits. There are some good arguments in favor of patents, but this particular example is an example of the damage that patents cause.

    30. Re:its the time frame which matters by hedwards · · Score: 1

      Hopefully now that Steve Jobs is dead, Apple will finally halt its ceaseless war against usability. Sometimes removing a button leads to increased usability, but usually not. You don't just wake up and discover that your devices' buttons have been breeding. They're placed there by somebody for some reason, ideally there should be a button for every commonly used command. Or even better soft buttons where you can choose yourself.

      The latest iPods are more or less completely unusable for somebody with large hands, and definitely completely unusable by the blind because they've removed all the tactile sensations that allow people to know what buttons they're pushing. Personally, I'd like to be able to press a button without having to pay close attention to whether the one I wanted to press was the one that got pressed.

    31. Re:its the time frame which matters by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      The sliding idea to unlock the device was new and the engineer who has invented it should has his or her invention protected for a while.

      I truly agree.

      So what does all this have to do with Apple who applied for this patent some 9 months after a competing company came up with this idea?

      Apple is good at 2 things only. Marketing, and stealing ideas to cram in their little aluminum glass covered cases. If the original inventors actually patented their inventions the iPhone wouldn't exist.

    32. Re:its the time frame which matters by deathguppie · · Score: 1

      .. or an LG prada.. (I still have mine in my computer desk drawer below where I'm typing, though I havn't used it in years.

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    33. Re:its the time frame which matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who says the code was copied? Any engineer can write new code to implement a given interface.

    34. Re:its the time frame which matters by dell623 · · Score: 1

      And if others had not shone Apple the way, we wouldn't have phones at all, or phones would just be capable of making calls and nothing else. You cannot seriously believe that UI innovations are more important than the fundamental technologies that had been developed by companies other than Apple that Apple built upon? Or do you think the iPhone mysteriously appeared in a vacuum as the direct successor to the analog telephone? You really think Apple would be able to 'revolutionize' things without the work of Palm, Windows CE, Symbian and others that came before it? What if they had all been granted patents on trivial things like 'touching an icon to activate an application'? In a similar way, Apple's patents will stop the next generation of inventors, the next revolution. Or are you one of those who believe that the iPhone is the pinnacle of technology and nothing will match it except Apple's incremental improvements?

    35. Re:its the time frame which matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and the engineer who has invented it should has his or her invention protected for a while.

      No, he or she shouldn't. It's a trivial and inevitable idea once touch interfaces became viable. There are a very limited number of simple gestures available on a touch screen and all of them have been and will be independently re-"invented" many times.

      More generally: What is it with people who think everything new should be allowed to be monopolised? Patents cost. A lot. Blocking billions of people from doing something so that one person can have increased profit. That's not right.

      Again: protect intellectual property,

      No, protect the freedom of billions of people to do their own thing. Your automatic assumption without evidence that "IP" unconditionally promotes innovation is naive at best. Unfortunately, you've succumbed to the non-evidence based PTO propaganda. Please think more deeply about the subject.

    36. Re:its the time frame which matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Palm Pilot had 8 buttons, just on the front. just say'n

    37. Re:its the time frame which matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know what spurs innovation? The need to solve a problem. Right now we have patents, so people solve the problem of "how do we make money with patents?" You know what would be better? If people were *allowed* solve the problem of making money without patents.

      The idea that we are somehow smart enough to collide atoms and and land robots on mars but to weak and uncreative to come up with ways to make money unless we "protect" a couple of lucky stiffs from the mere possibility that someone else *might* *also* use "their" idea to do something useful is so mind bogglingly unimaginative and stupid that it can only have been invented by a beaurocrat. For some godawful reason the uncreatives in this country are so terrified of us creative types that they would rather destroy the entire process of innovation than face up the the possibility that the real reason they haven't done anything meaningful with their lives isn't because they were "protecting" any of us, but because they lack the vision and the courage to even try.

      You have no clue what you are talking about. For all our sakes, please get the hell out of the way. f*n muggles.

    38. Re:its the time frame which matters by tgibbs · · Score: 1

      The first company to get rid of most buttons on a mobile phone would have been IBM. Try the IBM Simon Personal Communicator (1993) on for size and tell me why IBM doesnt get the credit for a keyless touch screen phone?

      And yet for some odd reason, it was not a huge success, and did not lead to an industry-wide transformation in the way phones work.

      Why is that, do you suppose?

      Could it be that Apple did indeed create something, perhaps not a single feature, but a combination of features, software, and design that consumers find uniquely appealing? Why shouldn't a company that makes a contribution like that to the industry be rewarded with a limited-term monopoly? So if current patent laws do not protect what Apple created, then maybe they should be changed to provide greater protection to advances in design.

      It is clear that there are other ways to do things than Apple's. There are lots and lots of ways to unlock a screen. So let's make other manufacturers develop their own interfaces. And in the unlikely event that ultimately turns out that Apple really did come up with the very best design for a phone that could ever be...well, in a relatively short time, those patents will expire.

    39. Re:its the time frame which matters by grumbel · · Score: 1

      The sliding idea to unlock the device was new and the engineer who has invented it should has his or her invention protected for a while.

      The company doing the innovation already has a big jump start because they where the first one doing the thing and if it's a thing of reasonable complexity, it will take everybody a while to catch up, which is really all that is needed to profit from innovation. See the iPad, everybody is struggling to match it, no need to throw in patents to make it even harder and stifle the competition.

      Also about the iPhone lock I might want to point you to this little NintendoDS demo I wrote before the iPhone was even announced: Windstille: Demonstration of door interaction, notice how the door is opened at 0:20? Doing a trivial slide to unlock action is not rocked science, it comes pretty natural when you toy around with touch interfaces.

    40. Re:its the time frame which matters by wjcofkc · · Score: 1

      I remember the Palm Pilot. 2006-2007 I was internal support for a very large company. At one point it seemed almost everyone in the company had one. A couple short releases cycles past the ...I think it was called 650... and that platform went from wonderful to pretty nasty. The phones went through a quick evolution in an effort to catch up with Windows Mobile and Blackberry. They achieved nothing substantial except for producing woefully unstable phones that could take drastic measures to correct. Windows Mobile was fun back then. The entire interface was rendered from an XML file so you could do some REALLY COOL SHIT. My Motorola Q was a hacker paradise I will always hold dear.

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    41. Re:its the time frame which matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We would still have phones with thousand of buttons and switches if apple would not have shown an other way.

      Really? We wouldn't have got there any other way? I give you the LG Prada. Announced before the iPhone. Released before the iPhone.

      Stop it stop it STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT! Saint Jobs is good! Saint Jobs is great! The Good iBook says so! It's right there in the iBible! You're just trying to cloud my faith! Stop it stop it STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT! Saint Jobs invented the computer! Saint Jobs invented the phone! Saint Jobs invented apps! Saint Jobs is good! Saint Jobs is great! Apple is His avatar! All patents of His avatar are just! All patents of His avatar are right! All patents of the heretics are wrong! Saint Jobs is good! Saint Jobs is great! Saint Jobs is good! Saint Jobs is great! He will come down from iHeaven to wash the unclean from His glorious earth and restore humanity to His perfect walled garden of Eden! Stop testing me! Stop disagreeing with His almighty word! Stop it stop it stop it STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT!!!!

    42. Re:its the time frame which matters by Newander · · Score: 1

      They may have been flawed implementations, but that still doesn't mean that Apple invented anything. And even if they did invent something they seem to be obvious inventions.
      The real problem we're seeing now is the same as the problem we saw at the beginning of the Internet Age. People used to slap "on the Internet" on the end of an invention and are now slapping "with a touchscreen" on the end of an invention.

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    43. Re:its the time frame which matters by shmlco · · Score: 1

      "... and tell me why IBM doesnt get the credit for a keyless touch screen phone?"

      It was huge. It was heavy. Battery life sucked. The screen sucked. It cost nearly a thousand dollars. And because of all of that, no one bought one.

      You don't get a lot of credit for failure.

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    44. Re:its the time frame which matters by gutnor · · Score: 1

      Considering that the goal of a patent is to protect invention in exchange of making it public, it should not be permitted to patent something that the public can already reproduce without looking at its implementation details. That is the reason why you patent an actual implementation of a problem, not the effect. (you cannot hide the effect and the effect is your product, so you always have the incentive to create new effect, eveb without patent protection)
      Of course the line between effect and implementation can be blurry, but in this case, you should only be able to patent a very narrow API for a "Sliding unlock on an iOS device" (the technical feat) and not "Sliding unlock on a phone" (which is in reality the effect).

    45. Re:its the time frame which matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The latest iPods are more or less completely unusable for unattractive people who are not trendy and whose use of the Divine Artifacts of His Holiness do not benefit His True Way in the eyes of the media, and definitely completely unusable by the imperfect and flawed because they are unable to see and acknowledge the true beauty of His User Interface, hallowed be the name of the true innovator and inventor.

      Your accidental mis-speakings against the corporate avatar of His Holiness are troubling, hedwards. Do you require your thoughts to be corrected? Only the impure of mind and soul have thoughts like that.

    46. Re:its the time frame which matters by shmlco · · Score: 2

      The Prada was a touch-screen based phone, true... but the interface was built on top of Flash Lite, which had limited support for touch. No gestures. Practically every review stated that the interface was inconsistent at best. It was designed and built for the luxury market, and as such it cost 50% more ($775) than an iPhone.

      The industry follows success. The Prada was a flop.

      And since Android, prior to iPhone, was busy cloning the Blackberry... no. Or rather, yes. We probably would have gotten there... eventually.

      Like it or not, the iPhone was an inflection point in the industry.

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    47. Re:its the time frame which matters by shmlco · · Score: 1

      "All apple did was bring these things together..."

      That's it, huh? Then what stopped anyone else from doing the same, exact thing? Nothing. That's what. Anyone else could have done it... but they didn't. Apple did it, and did it well.

      You may not like some of Apple's policies. Hell, I don't like all of them either.

      But they changed the world. What have you done today?

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    48. Re:its the time frame which matters by Richy_T · · Score: 1

      The sad thing is, the TX was almost there. All they needed to do was add phone hardware and upgrade the WIFI and a few other small changes and it would have been set to occupy the space that the iphone happily slid into. Unfortunately (though deservedly) Palm imploded instead.

      I still used my TX up until the day I replaced it (and my regular mobile phone) with an Android phone.

    49. Re:its the time frame which matters by scot4875 · · Score: 1

      It amazes me how widespread tunnel vision is among Apple fanbois.

      When your only exposure to technology is what you see at Mac World, it's fairly easy to remain ignorant of what the Real World is doing.

      --Jeremy

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      Jesus was a liberal
    50. Re:its the time frame which matters by Bucky24 · · Score: 1

      If the original inventors actually patented their inventions the iPhone wouldn't exist.

      More likely Apple would have bought out the original inventors.

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  28. Here's the report we sent to our home system by EnergyScholar · · Score: 1

    DeathElk, the time has come to reveal our presence to the Earthlings. Our species has been observing humans for some years. While our species should have risen above the threatening sounds you make, I well understand your sentiment. Our time observing humans is now up, we are leaving.

    Humans, here is the report we sent to our home system about your species. Your your own sake, humans, I hope you are able to learn your true nature.

  29. i smell bribery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    nobody is that stupid. the problem is how *can* we do anything about it. the people obviously doesn't mean anything anymore. now it's just business as usual....

  30. prior art back in the 1980s by MadMaverick9 · · Score: 1

    we had this gesture already way back when on the Apple ][e.

    alas - not graphical but <a target="_blank" href="http://textfiles.com/art/afinger.txt">ascii art</a>.

    1. Re:prior art back in the 1980s by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  31. intelligence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are the people who approves this kind of patent considered to have intelligence?

  32. What's the problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple uses slide to unlock. Android uses drag to unlock.

    Anyone who isn't a fool can see that...

    Though I guess Apple users can't.

  33. Re:thousand of buttons but for Apple: WTF? by Jerry+Atrick · · Score: 2

    Yet people continue to buy Blackberry and use the full keyboard on it. People still buy Android phones with full hard keyboards. I only just retired mine, in favour of an Xperia Play, a phone with around 20 keys mostly dedicated to game play and it's a hell of a lot better than trying to play with touch controls. Apple haven't eliminated phones with 'thousands of keys' because sometimes a lot of keys works better. And that assumes Apple invented touchscreen phones, which the didn't - there were touch screen smartphones on sale before the iPhone was even announced. Apple did touch control well and they patented the life out if it but they didn't actually invent very much. Apple are just as brazen as Microsoft about stealing other peoples research and passing it off as their own.

  34. Why is this only SW patent problem? by wienerschnizzel · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Why don't we see a drugs manufacturers killing themselves with an 'oval shaped pills' (or as they would put it 'an anatomically efficient vessel for introduction of effective chemicals into the gastro-intestinal system') patent?

    What the hell is the department of the Patent Office responsible for SW doing?!

    1. Re:Why is this only SW patent problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why don't we see a drugs manufacturers killing themselves with an 'oval shaped pills'

      Because Apple aren't in the pharma business.

    2. Re:Why is this only SW patent problem? by Gamma747 · · Score: 1

      Most companies in the drugs market can afford to fight frivolous patents. The software market has many small players who can't afford to fight frivolous patents.

    3. Re:Why is this only SW patent problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It DOES happen in the drug industry.

      It's just that product development costs are so high in that industry, that the cost of the patent system is relatively easy on that ecosystem, that's not to say that the patent system doesn't have it's own set of issues as it relates to the drug industry.
      The software/IT industry is completely different from the Drug industry though...

    4. Re:Why is this only SW patent problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently, cocaine.

    5. Re:Why is this only SW patent problem? by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      It does happen, and it holds medicine back.

      The only effective HIV treatment that exists right now required government intervention, as it involves three companies patents.

      I am sure there are other situations where this is the case, but the profile of the ailment is not high enough for intervention. But, it's not as bad as software, because many medicines are a single chemical, while software is a lot of parts put together, with the whole being better than the sum of the parts.

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    6. Re:Why is this only SW patent problem? by Jonner · · Score: 1

      Why don't we see a drugs manufacturers killing themselves with an 'oval shaped pills' (or as they would put it 'an anatomically efficient vessel for introduction of effective chemicals into the gastro-intestinal system') patent?

      What the hell is the department of the Patent Office responsible for SW doing?!

      It may not be quite as bad as "oval shaped pills," but bad drug patents are common. It is the entire UPTO that's broken.

  35. USPTO Sux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For the last decade, America has been hiring engineers from China and India. Decent people, HOWEVER, the issue is that many of them have not see the developments of physical and virtual entities over their lifetime. As such, they have little to no prior knowledge within the west (note that in another 10 years, they will be of use, but may have left America by then). Yet, they have to rule on it, while being given very little time to judge the patent. Just look at the occurring prior art discussions that we have on this site. Over and over and over, we see that USPTO does not know about FUNDAMENTAL prior art that destroys these patents that are granted on a whim.

  36. europeans do it better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    in europe should have been trashed from the beginning just because you cannot patent "schemes, rules and methods for performing mental acts, playing games or doing business, and programs for computers;"
    I love you europe. the old continent laws are always ahead compared to US :)

  37. Some ideas to make USPTO react on their policy by dweeves · · Score: 1

    I think the most easy way to get rid of USPTO policy would be to patent "patent acceptation model" in a so subtle way they could not even detect it , or something like "a method to consume air for biological devices" (ie:breathing).

  38. At least since the Carter administration... by procrastinatos · · Score: 1, Funny

    I slide to unlock my wife. Now searching the attic for my Betamax home videos so I can demonstrate prior art.

  39. You May be a Winner! by swell · · Score: 1

    I work in the biotech industry and I want to patent your genes. To be a winner, simply reply with your gene sequence and contact information.

    If something in your genes leads to a multimillion dollar advancement in medicine, you will win an all expense paid trip to the nearest Disneyland for yourself and three others. You'll have the additional reward of knowing that you've saved precious lives and enriched not only me, but a few CEOs and many investors and attorneys.

    You don't have to be smart or work hard to initiate a patent, all you need is an unusual gene. You are special and we want to reward you for it.

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  40. Your CODE is our CODE by andydread · · Score: 2

    Look. This is an attempt to take wholesale ownership of other people's code. Plain and simple. They want to do on to others what they do not want to happen to them. Microsoft is doing the same thing. They want to own _all_ useful code in the marketplace. It is their strategy of fighting against the freedom for you to write your own code. A push back against open source and free software and a way to raise the barrier of entry for any small newcomers to the marketplace. They have said over and over again that Open Source "does not respect intellectual property rights" and they will use litigation to drive up the cost of producing anything with open source. Apple and Microsoft have been beating their chest a lot about this. They have said they were going use software patents in this way and guess what they are doing it. The days when you can freely write code without Apple and Microsoft trying to stop you in your tracks are coming to an end.

    1. Re:Your CODE is our CODE by jonwil · · Score: 2

      Apple is on a mission to DESTROY Android in any way it can. Why? Because Android is the only platform that is any kind of real threat to the iPhone and iPad.

  41. well, i guess my BN Nook Simple Touch is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    in patent No-No Land?

  42. Immediate Re-Examination Required by ardeez · · Score: 1

    > it will be interesting to see how this new patent will affect the patent wars between Apple and Android vendors.

    Hopefully by an immediate challenge and re-examination followed swiftly
    by it being revoked.

    Didn't Google manage to get a lot of Oracle's Java patents revoked? You'd hope the
    same process could be applied.

    After of course first forcing Microsoft to license it - so that every winpho sold will
    pay Apple a royalty - that would just be poetic justice.

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  43. Or even some of the old Windows phones by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

    I had a Windows smartphone bought by work in the days before the iPhone. It was all touch screen controlled. Only buttons on it were power, volume, and one that you could assign to the feature of your choice. I didn't particularly care for it on account of it had a pretty poor touchscreen. You tended to use a little stylus that lived in the antenna to control it, though you could use your fingers.

    None the less it was a phone without "thousand of buttons and switches."

    For that matter, I'm not so sure this has been a positive move. I do like that touch screen phones can get you a bigger display and still be thin, but man I miss physical keyboards. I have an Android phone now and it is cool and works well and all that, but it can't compare to the text entry speed of my former Curve 8330.

    Full touch screens are a tradeoff, not an advancement in my book. If you like the tradeoff that's wonderful, but don't pretend like it is the One True Way(tm) just because Apple likes it.

    1. Re:Or even some of the old Windows phones by Bucky24 · · Score: 1

      I just recently upgraded from an LG Vortex to an LG Enlighten. The Enlighten has a slide-out physical keyboard, while the Vortex does not. I used to think that the slide-out keyboards would be too small to use, but now I can't imagine how I went without one. The onscreen keyboards are so slow in comparison (even using swype). I'm guessing you have one of the Android phones that doesn't have the physical keyboard. If so I'd suggest that you look at getting one with the keyboard as your next phone. It doesn't actually add that much to the weight and bulk, and as you say, they are definitely superior to the on-screen keyboards.

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    2. Re:Or even some of the old Windows phones by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

      I most likely will. Mine does not have a slide out keyboard largely because I did little research. Turned out the time for a new phone was up on the work contract and the boss was going to get some. I had done zero research so I said "Ummm, whatever you get is good by me." An HTC Thunderbolt was the answer.

      I don't care all that much since I text almost never currently... But then I don't presently have a girlfriend. I've discovered that when I do the amount I have to text goes up a ton :).

      A physical keyboard is on my wishlist for sure.

  44. Let's see how innovative we can get here. by AftanGustur · · Score: 1
    Turn to (un)lock.
    Rub to (un)lock.
    Press to (un)lock.
    Pull to (un)lock.
    Push to (un)lock.
    Blow to (un)lock.
    Suck to (un)lock.

    Is it just me or does it really sound crazy that these are patentable ideas?

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    1. Re:Let's see how innovative we can get here. by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

      Maybe we can finally have candybar-slider type phones back. You know... the nice, sensible design whereby the touchscreen is ignored when it's closed, and activates when you slide it open (not necessarily exposing a full qwerty keyboard... there were plenty of candybar sliders sold in Europe that had real numeric keypads with send/end keys. I remember seeing one cool Asian-market phone's design that exposed a physical keypad if you slid it down, a secondary LCD with touchscreen if you rotated the phone 180 degrees and slid it the other way, and a proper gamepad with fire buttons if you put the phone in portrait mode and slid it sideways. American carriers will never voluntarily let us have a phone like that, because the sliding mechanism might add $4 to the manufacturing cost. If slide-to-unlock were legally banished from official support on new American Android phones, it might be a blessing in disguise by forcing manufacturers to let us have real hardkeys again that we can just unambiguously actuate instead of having to screw around with stupid, increasingly-complex-and-latency-inducing-to-filter-out-false-triggering gestures.

    2. Re:Let's see how innovative we can get here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot

      Hit the nearest iPhone/iPad/Mac user on his/her head with your Droid phone.

      Most innovative would be to say "Fuck you Apple" to unlock your phone.

  45. Prior art!! by AftanGustur · · Score: 1

    Can someone please tell my why this does not count as prior art??

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    1. Re:Prior art!! by daid303 · · Score: 1

      Because it's not "on a phone"

      Slide to unlock - common item.
      Slide to unlock "on a phone" - Innovation!

    2. Re:Prior art!! by tgibbs · · Score: 1

      Not on a touch screen, not a way to unlock a touch screen.

    3. Re:Prior art!! by AftanGustur · · Score: 1

      Because it's not "on a phone"

      Slide to unlock - common item. Slide to unlock "on a phone" - Innovation!

      Inventing a new "tool", like a telephone, computer, or a car is innovation.

      Solving old problems with new tools is not innovation, it is simply common sense.

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      echo '[q]sa[ln0=aln80~Psnlbx]16isb572CCB9AE9DB03273snlbxq' |dc
    4. Re:Prior art!! by horza · · Score: 1

      You don't unlock a touchscreen. It's impossible to lock a touchscreen, other than putting it in a physical box with a physical lock. You are sending a signal to an application which then performs a pro-programmed action. The touchscreen is just one of the input sensors (including the front button, the volume button, the headphone jack, the microphone, the camera, etc). Apple is effectively patenting putting your finger on the screen and moving it sideways. There is no reason Angry Birds couldn't patent sliding your finger across the screen to simulate a bird being pulled backwards on a catapult under the same logic.

      Phillip.

    5. Re:Prior art!! by tgibbs · · Score: 1

      This is semantic quibbling and rather foolish quibbling at that. The word "lock" has been used for many years to refer to limiting access to virtual resources of many types.

      The publisher of Angry Birds might or might not be able to "patent sliding your finger across the screen to simulate a bird being pulled backwards on a catapult." It is possible that the patent office would consider that sufficiently specific to be distinct from prior art and patentable. It would not seem particularly unreasonable to me for them to be awarded such a patent.

    6. Re:Prior art!! by horza · · Score: 1

      You obviously have no software knowledge. Anybody can write an app that displays an image until a pre-determined action quits that application. Or that makes a pixel version of a cat purr. Or any one of the zillion apps where moving your finger in a pre-determined path on a touch-screen, or any other peripheral, will cause a pre-determined action. There is no more innovation in sliding a finger across a touch screen than taking an led in plastic casing (let's call it a mouse) and physically moving it across a solid surface. Touch screens have existed for decades as mouse substitutes. According to your logic, every single action using a peripheral causing any possible software action is patentable. If you think every software action triggered by an external peripheral should be patentable then you are certifiable.

      Phillip.

    7. Re:Prior art!! by tgibbs · · Score: 1

      It sounds as if you are unclear on the concept of a patent. It is not some sort of software award given for difficult coding.

      It is notoriously difficult to judge innovation in hindsight. The most brilliant accomplishments can seem trivial in retrospect. Einstein's theory of Special Relativity can be derived with simple algebra. Anybody with high school math could have done it. Yet prior to Einstein, nobody did.

      Sliding a box along a line with your finger to unlock a screen is no Theory of Relativity, to be sure. Yet it is another example of something that anybody could have done--but Apple saw a benefit and did it. There are a lot of ways that a touch screen could be unlocked. There are many possible gestures, as well as many other physical things that could be simulated. The user could trace a figure, or swipe back and forth, or touch a particular spot for some length of time, or "flip" a virtual switch. Many of these are doubtless nearly as good as what Apple came up with; perhaps some are better. The particular method that Apple came up with has little value to anybody other than Apple, because it is one of a large number of small but distinctive features that are combined to create a look and feel that is a critical part of Apple's branding, to identify a device as an Apple.

      It is hard to see a negative to allowing a company like Apple to patent a user-interface element like this. Other screen unlock methods are available. And if Apple's really is the best, the patent will eventually expire and anybody will be free to use it. Indeed, it seems like the only guys who lose are those who hope to capitalize on the user good-will that Apple has built up over the years by imitating these "look and feel" elements to create a superficial resemblance to an Apple product in the hope of hitching a ride through the marketplace on Apple's coattails.

    8. Re:Prior art!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Drag and drop - old
      Drag and drop on a capacitative touchscreen - a bit newer
      Drag and drop on a capacitative touchscreen to exit locked mode - genius!

      I can see how it took a bit of designers work to do - a bathroom break or two, may be, until the line connected from bathroom stall latch to the iPhone unlock screen.

      What I can't see is why this should be patented and why should customers be forced to learn dozens of ways to do a basic phone operation because somebody patented what should be at most protected by trade dress.

    9. Re:Prior art!! by tgibbs · · Score: 1

      What I can't see is why this should be patented and why should customers be forced to learn dozens of ways to do a basic phone operation

      Oh, what a dreadful hardship! How long does it take to learn how to unlock your phone? 5 minutes? Two?

  46. Patents must be abolished by peppepz · · Score: 1

    Patents give advantage to some, and damage everyone. (cit.)

  47. It infringes on my patent.... by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Funny

    Lick to unlock.

    It's not as popular, but I can call their patent a ripoff of mine!

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    1. Re:It infringes on my patent.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for that, I needed a good laugh this morning...add it as a new biometric mechanism and you're golden!

    2. Re:It infringes on my patent.... by einar.petersen · · Score: 0

      As long as you don't use peppermint flavors in your solutions as that would infringe on my MobTaste(TM) patented solution for adding taste to mobile applications...

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    3. Re:It infringes on my patent.... by ccbutler · · Score: 1

      Lick to unlock.

      It's not as popular, but I can call their patent a ripoff of mine!

      You are either referring to a tootsie pop, or four play.

    4. Re:It infringes on my patent.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lick to unlock.

      It's not as popular, but I can call their patent a ripoff of mine!

      I see in the fine print that your patent only applies to man-ass.

      You can keep it.

    5. Re:It infringes on my patent.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a lot of prior art - licking opens most things...

    6. Re:It infringes on my patent.... by llamapater · · Score: 1

      your mom has prior art on that :o

    7. Re:It infringes on my patent.... by c++0xFF · · Score: 1

      Add a background image and you're set. Kids get lollipops to lick, adults get their favorite, uh ... body part, as appropriate.

    8. Re:It infringes on my patent.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're also infringing on my 'rock to unlock' method... although that moreso involves getting through locked doors with a rock, rather than for use on a phone.

      But maybe I should patent bashing your phone with a rock until it works, just in case.

    9. Re:It infringes on my patent.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Put it on a candy bar phone, and you'll have the fatties lined up for miles.

    10. Re:It infringes on my patent.... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      That infringes on the earlier patent, Lick to Turn On.

  48. USPTO by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

    The Vanguard of Idiocracy.

  49. Has Google patented the unlock pattern? by swillden · · Score: 1

    Because I think it's a far cleverer and more useful idea than Apple's slide to unlock idea. Having a unique, customizable unlock pattern gives you a significant degree of security (unless you often have greasy fingers) while at the same time being only slightly harder to execute than Apple's swipe. One of the things I like best about my Nexus S over my old iPhone is the ability to keep it secured while still being able to unlock it without looking at it.

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    1. Re:Has Google patented the unlock pattern? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Android also implemented unlocking directly to the camera first.

  50. My patent. by Sasayaki · · Score: 1

    I'm patenting the following, the pulmonarius.

    The patent describes a method of chemical exchange by which carbon based humanoid life may expunge dyoxygen carbonate through a series of two (or one with minimal function) pouches lined with a series of thin-walled air sacs. Since this invention is a complex medical procedure and one with significant market potential, I think patenting this to prevent any unauthorized use is a wise choice.

    I created this invention entirely on my own without any outside help from others, and it's taken me a lifetime of work to perfect.

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    1. Re:My patent. by seven+of+five · · Score: 1

      breathtaking.

    2. Re:My patent. by Shazback · · Score: 1

      Hmm...

      I have just finished filing a patent that describes a system that might be a good compliment to yours : the heartata.

      The patent describes a method of mechano-electrical propulsion for fluids wherein carbon based humaniod life may regulate the transfer velocity of select liquids throughout a network of tubular vessels through the regularly repeated electrical stimulation of a four-valve bio-engineered sac formation. Since this invention is a complex medical procedure and one with significant market potential, I am likewise patenting this to prevent any unauthorized use.

      My invention builds upon the water system in use in certain cities, but -- in a carbon based humanoid life form -- and is therefore un-obvious and innovative. Please contact my lawyers regarding cross-licensing opportunities.

  51. That's ignorant by C_Kode · · Score: 1

    That is just straight up ignorant. The patent office should laugh them out the door when they submit a stupid patent like that.

    Next they will patent hearing a voice through a phone by putting it to your ear.

  52. Pondering a strictly fictional fix by fnj · · Score: 1

    Shakespeare had one of his characters in the play Henry VI utter "The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers." Of course no one would urge that in real life. But it seems like Shakespeare missed a couple of even bigger evil bastard fuck-ups from hell. Politicians and bureaucrats.

    1. Re:Pondering a strictly fictional fix by uncledrax · · Score: 1

      A high percentage of Politicians and upper level bureaucrats are/where lawyers.

      Just say'n.

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      ----- The internet has given everyone the ability to have their voice heard equally as loud.. even if they shouldn't be
    2. Re:Pondering a strictly fictional fix by fnj · · Score: 1

      I say give them a point for each of the three categories they fit!

    3. Re:Pondering a strictly fictional fix by gnasher719 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Shakespeare had one of his characters in the play Henry VI utter "The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers." Of course no one would urge that in real life. But it seems like Shakespeare missed a couple of even bigger evil bastard fuck-ups from hell. Politicians and bureaucrats.

      Quoted out of context. The purpose of killing lawyers in the play is to eliminate anyone who could try to get justice for people against a tyrant. Like what Pol Pot did in real life, starting with lawyers, school teachers, engineers, and so on.

  53. OT (your sig) by RulerOf · · Score: 1

    echo -e 'global _start\n _start:\n mov eax, 2\n int 80h\n jmp _start' > a.asm; nasm a.asm -f elf; ld a.o -o a;

    I only barely understand x86 assembler, mostly from poring through source code of bootloader applications.

    What does throwing a value of 2 at int 80 over and over again actually do? Make an obnoxious noise?

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    1. Re:OT (your sig) by gasmasher · · Score: 1

      I believe that would be a fork bomb passing 2 to interrupt 80.
      http://www.int80h.org/bsdasm/#call-numbers

    2. Re:OT (your sig) by skids · · Score: 1

      syscall #2 is fork(). I wouldn't suggest running that.

    3. Re:OT (your sig) by karbonforms · · Score: 1

      was curious myself. quick research shows its calling fork() repeatedly.

  54. Patent patenting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about I patent the act of patenting, and patent trolling. Everyone who makes a patent is infringing, and anyone making patents for trolling or not intending to implement their stuff etc are as well.

  55. Eminent domain? by Chemisor · · Score: 2

    How about having the government use eminent domain to seize the patents covering industry standard practices? If this is not a good use for eminent domain, nothing else is.

  56. Seriously!? by mosb1000 · · Score: 1

    Really?! Is that your final answer? Apple fanboys are worse than Nazis? Do you think you may be taking it a bit far? I'm looking for something to indicate this is a joke. . .

    1. Re:Seriously!? by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      I'm looking for something to indicate this is a joke. . .

      Look harder

      http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2494380&cid=37842532

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  57. This is not unique. by poofmeisterp · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If it gives you an idea what kind of idiots work for the USPTO, let me give you an example:

    A company I know of applies for a copyright to a word (not common everyday word, but the name of a famous person from old times). There are hundreds upon HUNDREDS of other patents that were granted the copyright because each one of them fits into a different category. Let me repeat, it's a one-word name, and hundreds of copyrights WERE granted. The copyright that this particular company applied for was not only under a different category than all of the above, but it even had another acronym attached to the name, so it was TRULY unique.

    USPTO denied it because they said (and I can't recall the phrasing exactly) already granted to someone else. There is no one else that applied for it!!!!!! *bang head*

    So moral of the story is, you can have prior art all you want. You can LACK prior art all you want. The ones who make the decision at the USPTO are individuals, and the whole process doesn't have a voting system. It's just a "so-and-so decides that you are the first; you're clear to go."

    The USPTO needs a damned voting panel system. Public voting would be the best, but hell, that ain't happening in this lifetime. At least an internal voting panel would be nice.

    1. Re:This is not unique. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wth are you talking about. You say other *patents* were granted for a *copyright*?? Srsly? Are you (incoherently) talking about trademarks, by chance?

    2. Re:This is not unique. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WTF? Sounds like you are talking about a trademark request but you mention patents getting copyrights. Now there are some serious issues with the USPTO but you should at least understand what you are talking about before making suggestions that purport to fix the problems there. Trademarks, copyrights, and patents are quite different from each other.

    3. Re:This is not unique. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, but I can guarantee you that USPTO hasn't issued any copyrights for a single word.

    4. Re:This is not unique. by richie2000 · · Score: 1

      I think you're mixing copyright, patents and trademarks. They are actually quite different in scope, subject matter and duration so please try to keep them apart. From your description, I'd guess that your story concerned a trademark. The USPTO can very well deny a trademark application for a name that can be mistaken for a name already registered in a different, but similar, category. Or grant it, as you say it's a bit of a crapshoot.

      One real-world example: Apple Records could not keep Apple Computer from trademarking their name until Apple Computer went into the music business with iTunes. It's still not the same category (record company/recording vs music distribution/sales) but close enough to possibly cause confusion and a court date.

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    5. Re:This is not unique. by poofmeisterp · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I did. It was a MAJOR error. I was reading another article about copyright when I typed up this comment about trademark. My face is red with embarrassment.

      I'm glad people at least got what I was saying. :)

      I like your example, BTW. The one I'm referring to pissed off my buddy quite a bit because there were over 60 that had the same name (some expired, but 45 or 46 current and active). All different categories. This was another category AND another acronym appended to the end so eyebrows went up after anger ensued :)

    6. Re:This is not unique. by poofmeisterp · · Score: 1

      Ok just for the record everyone, Yes, I made a mistake. I was reading another article and confused the word 'trademark' with 'copyright'. I meant 'trademark.'

      It was a huge mistake and I'm embarrassed. Sorry. I hope everyone got the message I was trying to convey about a TRADEMARK.

    7. Re:This is not unique. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are fantastically wrong in mixing up copyright, patents, and trade marks. They are different rights for different things.

      You can't "copyright" a word--de minimis applies--Exxon tried this in the UK and lost,.

      You *can* trade mark a word pr symbol, and for different classes of services and goods. That's why, for example, you see Orange mountain bikes, and Orange mobile phones--different companies, but different goods (but there are still limitations to this, but that's the gist of it). so you can have the same word used as a trade mark many times over by different people.

      Your example: different "patents" did not exist for the same "name" but likely for the same trade mark for that word--it would likely have been refused because there was a prior right-same or similar mark--in the same class of goods or service where there would have been a likelihood of confusion.

    8. Re:This is not unique. by trg83 · · Score: 1

      I don't know why this is moderated as insightful. The poster has no understanding of the distinguishing features of copyright, trademark, and patents.

    9. Re:This is not unique. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Copyright != Patent != Trademark

    10. Re:This is not unique. by poofmeisterp · · Score: 1

      If you could read other replies to this comment, you would see I was reading another article at the time that confused the words. I meant trademark, not copyright. Some people can get the meaning when mistakes are made.

      Thanks for pointing it out again, though!

    11. Re:This is not unique. by trg83 · · Score: 1

      I apologize. None of the other replies were visible to me at the time. Am I the only one just noticing this weird filtered-threaded view? I'm not a fan.

    12. Re:This is not unique. by poofmeisterp · · Score: 1

      It's cool :)

      People love just picking on others for the hell of it here so I'm glad you replied! I like ya already.

    13. Re:This is not unique. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A company I know of applies for a copyright to a word

      That's interesting because you can't copyright a word. 37 CFR 202.1 ("The following are examples of works not subject to copyright...Words and short phrases").

      There are hundreds upon HUNDREDS of other patents that were granted the copyright because each one of them fits into a different category.

      That doesn't even make sense. Patents don't grant copyrights, and the subject matter covered by each type of protection of completely difference.

      Let me repeat, it's a one-word name, and hundreds of copyrights WERE granted.

      But you just said patents were granted on it? Which is it? And hundreds of copyrights couldn't be granted on a one-word name because that sort of thing is expressly excluded from copyright protection.

      USPTO denied it

      Of course they did. That's because the USPTO doesn't grant copyright registrations, they only deal with trade identities and patents.

    14. Re:This is not unique. by trg83 · · Score: 1

      I appreciate the sentiment. I do agree with your overall assertion that the IP system is horked, all varities included. I have some ideas that are patentable under the current system. I have to choose between executing them without a patent and getting sued by someone else later or patenting and detailing the secret as a starting point for a company with deeper pockets to squash me with slight tweaks to my design. My limited understanding of the recent patent "reform" is that prior art will be replaced by a first-to-file system.

    15. Re:This is not unique. by VirusEqualsVeryYes · · Score: 1

      You're confusing patents, copyright, and trademark so much that I can't make heads or tails of what you're raving about.

      A company I know of applies for a copyright to a word (not common everyday word, but the name of a famous person from old times).

      Copyright does not apply to "a word". Perhaps the company in question applied for a trademark.

      There are hundreds upon HUNDREDS of other patents that were granted the copyright

      This is complete gibberish. I really have no clue what you're trying to say.

      The copyright that this particular company applied for was not only under a different category than all of the above, but it even had another acronym attached to the name, so it was TRULY unique.

      Assuming you're referring to trademarks, appending a couple letters to the end doesn't make an old trademark new again. Trademarks exist to protect consumers from getting confused between different brands. Ever seen "Durasell" batteries? That would never fly in the US, because under trademark law, even though Durasell is "unique", it could (and, of course, does) confuse consumers into thinking that it is the same as Duracell.

      Similar trade names can be granted individual trademarks if they exist in separate-enough markets. That's why Apple Computer was once barred from entering the music business by the court system. Even though Apple Computer didn't want to get into the label business, the Beatles' label's market was close enough to warrant concern about consumer confusion.

      So if what you say is true and "hundreds" of other trademarks have already been granted, there stands a high chance that the intended market for your new trademark was too close to one of the hundreds.

      So moral of the story is, you can have prior art all you want. You can LACK prior art all you want.

      Prior art has little to do with trademark law.

      I understand that saying "patents", "copyright", and "bad" is key to /. karma, but really. Get a clue. Thanks.

    16. Re:This is not unique. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think people would have been kinder had you been kinder in your first sentence. I would have.

    17. Re:This is not unique. by poofmeisterp · · Score: 1

      Got it. Now you get this: if you had bothered to read the previous comment replies, you would see that I was reading another article at the same time and confused the words "copyright" and "trademark."

      Prior art DOES have something to do with trademark law. It's just not always, necessarily, in that context, always referred to with the words "prior art." It means a freaking thing that someone else trademarked before the person in question. That clear enough coming from my clueless mind?

      Congratulations, I'll give up on this one. You're smarter than I am. Yay!

    18. Re:This is not unique. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, you are talking about a trademark, and not a copyright. It is important to get these things right, particularly if you are going to go around calling people idiots.

      If you believe the PO has made a mistake, you can resubmit, of course.

    19. Re:This is not unique. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's an amazing story, given no one grants copyright.

  58. And how did Apple establish "brand"? by Quila · · Score: 1

    By making quality stuff.

    Apple could start making crap and coast on brand for a while before people got wise, but that obviously hasn't happened yet.

  59. Doesn't it have to be non-trivial/non-obvious?! by Sark666 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I thought the two main criteria for a patent are: It hasn't been done before (prior art) and it's non-trivial. Like as in holy crap! What you just made there is awesome!! Please patent how you did this so society at large benefits from this and it is never lost!!

    I don't think a swipe to start using a touch interface qualifies...

    1. Re:Doesn't it have to be non-trivial/non-obvious?! by ronabop · · Score: 1

      It's not "a swipe to start using a touch interface". It's deliberately moving an image, with a gesture, across a touch interface, to verify that a "swipe" isn't accidental.

  60. Apple seems to really love... by mark-t · · Score: 1

    ... this whole I will patent the idea of X resulting in Y, where X is just an idea, and Y is a desired outcome.... neither of which are themselves patentable.

    Along the same veins, it would have also been possible to, say (were such a thing practiced when the english language was evolving), patent putting the letter 'e' being at the end of a word to change the sound of the vowel inside the word.

    1. Re:Apple seems to really love... by dzfoo · · Score: 1

      Take a look at this

      In United States patent law, a method, also called "process", is one of the four principal categories of things that may be patented. The other three are a machine, an article of manufacture (also termed a manufacture), and a composition of matter.

      If the patent describes "Method to Y," then the "X" is merely the process that results in "Y."

              -dZ.

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    2. Re:Apple seems to really love... by mark-t · · Score: 1

      How is unlocking a screen a "composition of matter"?

    3. Re:Apple seems to really love... by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Gah... I hit submit too soon. I don't have a problem with process patents, per se, but when the "Y" is not something that is even remotely real, it is tantamount to patenting the placement of a vertical line with a dot underneath it following a statement to indicate that the statement is intended to be expressed with great emotion. Of course, for that example, there's prior art... but it's the same general idea. Perhaps a better comparison would be to patent a particular shorthand notation.

  61. Another "unlock" gesture with prior art by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 1

    I'd like to see touch screen devices that use a sequence of taps as the "unlock" gesture, and the default password should be the good old "shave and a haircut, two bits" knock.

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  62. Keep rehashing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The real problem is not that anyone cares how stupidly lawyered up google and apple and the like have to be int their day to day operations. The real problem is that we're creating an intellectual oligarchy that prevents normal, actual human beings from participating either in innovation or the market place.

  63. Prior art from Predator: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWeZOS8ta04&feature=player_embedded

  64. making a gesture at my screen right now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Absolutely ridiculous that a gesture can be patented.

  65. Solves Innovators Dillema How? by beernutmark · · Score: 1

    And this sort of BS ties into their solving the Innovators Dilemma how exactly? Is Apple's left hand communicating with it's right?

  66. I hate slide to unlock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good. At least now we can see a button.

  67. And the world's by HalAtWork · · Score: 2

    USA is also trying to push its IP bullshit onto other countries and make them enforce it as well. This is just a sign of trying to remain relevant while really having nothing at all to offer.

  68. Whoosh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your first thought is to criticize Apple? Seriously?

    That's like criticizing dog fighting by blaming the dogs.

  69. WebOS uses this... by SCHecklerX · · Score: 1

    I'd really really really like to see Apple challenge HP's list of mobile OS patents. That would be so much fun!

  70. Re: thousands of buttons by pruss · · Score: 1

    Within reasonable limits, the greater the number of customizable control options there are in a device, the better for power users. It's useful to be able to press or hold a button and pop up a calculator while using some other app. It's handy to be able to do a gesture and pop up a notepad. It's efficient and pleasant to be able to pick up a turned off device, directly press a calendar or email button, optionally press an unlock button (or do an unlock gesture--I think it's best to have both options), and then have the device both turned on and showing the calendar or email.

    It's often useful to have multiple ways of doing something. Say, I'm on a PC and typing something in a textbox, like this comment. I want to change the second-last word I typed. The fastest thing for me to do is probably to press ctrl-left, ctrl-backspace, retype (with space, alas), ctrl-right (or ctrl-end). I want to change a word further back. The fastest thing to do is to reach for a mouse, move the cursor there, double click, retype, and then press ctrl-end. I don't want to be limited to one of the two ways of doing things, because each one is optimal in its own context, and what works better in which context differs from user to user, making flexibility important (while it's a good idea to make commonly used functions more easily available, what functions are more often used differs from user to user). And as one uses a device a lot over the years, a power user will develop a lot of optimized patterns of usage that use different control/input modalities to accomplish the same task depending on the context.

    We do that outside of technological contexts. Sometimes I nod, sometimes I say "Yes" or "Yeah" or "OK", sometimes I grunt "Uhu", and there is a time and place for each. Sometimes to pick up an object from the ground, I stoop down and sometimes I pick it up with my foot. Flexibility (in multiples senses of the word) is worth having.

    For any portable computing device I own, if a magician were to offer me an additional fully customizable hardware button for it, without reducing the size of any of the existing buttons or the screen, and without making the device noticeably harder to hold or keep in my pocket, I'd go for it. Of course, this wouldn't go on to infinity, which is why in the first paragraph I said "within reasonable limits". My Treo 700P is closest to reasonable limits, though not quite there yet. (There is unexploited space for hardware number and punctuation buttons.)

    It's good to have both lots of hardware buttons and a touch screen.

    Of course, it's different for non-power users who are intimidated by lots of buttons or icons. It might also be different for users who change their device regularly, since it takes a while to develop the optimized usage patterns and customization, and may not be efficient if one switches devices--or, worse, platforms--every two years or so.

  71. Perfect example of BS generic patients by ToasterTester · · Score: 2

    Any device without a keyboard you're going to swipe something to do everything include unlock function. I used to be fairly pro-patient (I just thought they lasted too long), but BS like this is moving me anti-patient.

    1. Re:Perfect example of BS generic patients by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      To be fair, and I am no fan at all of Apple, is that the swipe-to-unlock is a very good solution to the problem of sticking a device with a touch sensitive screen in your pocket. How do you have a touch way to turn it on without having it accidentally turn itself on when not wanted? Bonus points for something easy enough for your grandma to remember, but not so simple that your cat accidentally dials Antarctica during peak billing hours. So the slide is a nice solution actually and I don't think it's necessarily an obvious idea before you've seen it.

      Then again it's a software solution and I don't really like the idea of software patents, much less UI patents.

    2. Re:Perfect example of BS generic patients by pipedwho · · Score: 1

      Any device without a keyboard you're going to swipe something to do everything include unlock function. I used to be fairly pro-patient (I just thought they lasted too long), but BS like this is moving me anti-patient.

      Please let me never be admitted to whatever hospital you work at.

    3. Re:Perfect example of BS generic patients by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but aren't there dozens upon dozens of different ways to swipe beside the horizontal slider at the bottom of the screen? Two fingers, vertical, draw a pattern, swipe in an arc, triple-tap, swipe right-to-left, draw a circle, I could probably brainstorm many more. While I think Apple is wrong for patenting this, I think other companies are in the wrong for copying the same exact mechanism. Apple is actually _encouraging_ innovation by trying to get others to come up with something better.

    4. Re:Perfect example of BS generic patients by ronabop · · Score: 1

      I'm imagining you trying to turn on a car by swiping your fingers on the dashboard.
      Repeatedly.
      It's hilarious.

    5. Re:Perfect example of BS generic patients by Bayowolf · · Score: 1

      Any device without a keyboard you're going to swipe something to do everything include unlock function. I used to be fairly pro-patient (I just thought they lasted too long), but BS like this is moving me anti-patient.

      Keep him away from any hospitals!

  72. Bathroom stalls by The+Other+White+Meat · · Score: 1

    So does this mean that bathroom stalls, with a sliding lock, have to remove the lock? Not that a sliding lock on a door is the same as that on an iphone. The iPhone screen has more fecal matter on it.

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  73. This is how you turn it on by matthaak · · Score: 1

    The iPhone was a huge achievement in industrial design, miniaturized UI (including the slide lock), supply chain, distribution, and negotiations with a major carrier. I do not think any other company than Apple could have pulled off the iPhone in 2007 and successfully shipped millions of them. It's amazing how quickly Apple's achievements are taken for granted. They are so successful in simplifying technology that the simplification quickly turns into "obvious" for people. But before Apple did it, none of this was obvious. I distinctly remember that when Steve Jobs said that the pointing device for the iPhone would be the finger, it was a novel idea and I was full of doubt whether it could really be pulled off. I distinctly remember thinking that the slid lock was a unique, elegant solution to a problem, and yes, I think it deserves patent protection if no one else had it before or at the same time Apple had it. I mean "This is how you turn it on" was part of their commercials. Those commercials wouldn't have worked unless "how you turn it on" truly was a novel and unique idea.

    1. Re:This is how you turn it on by matthaak · · Score: 1

      To clarify my comment on Apple deserving the Patent. I am generally against all patents. What I was trying to say is that given the patent system we have I do not see this particular patent as an abusive or "troll" kind of patent at all.

  74. what will a tiger do by dhungan · · Score: 1

    if a dog acquires patent for the way it marks its territory?

  75. Up yours by jweller13 · · Score: 2

    I have a one finger gesture to Apple I'd like to patent.

  76. Easy to get around if you actually read the patent by iotaborg · · Score: 1

    If anyone actually read the patent, one could see that infringing on the patent can easily be resolved (say on an Android device) by simply not showing the unlocking animation, or implementing it in a very different way. Apple is not patenting the swipe to unlock feature by itself... it seems to me more like a look & feel thing over strictly functionality, so it isn't nearly as serious as people are making it out to be. But still if this was done before in the exact way Apple has done it, then it should be invalidated.

  77. ... and bounces back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does the patent cover the way the switch sometimes bounces back to OFF after you've flicked it to ON, in a kind of realistic, inertial, but completely unhelpful manner?

  78. Prior Art? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So isn't a chain lock and a dead bolt both technically prior art? :p

  79. Trademark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You shouldn't call people idiots. Your post shows your pretty ignorant. First the United States Patent and Trademark Office does not grant copyrights.

    Second, they applied for Trademark for the name. TRADEMARK TRADEMARK TRADEMARK

    Trademark == Name of product for trade purpose. Used so you know who you are buying things from.

    Copyright == Exclusive rite to distribute and make copies of a work of art. (Novels, Paintings, Code)

    Patent == Exclusive rite to sell or use an invention. (New gadgets)

    Patents are not granted copyright!!! People and Corporations are granted copyrights, trademarks, and patents!!

    1. Re:Trademark by poofmeisterp · · Score: 1

      Your assumption that it was intentional and driven by stupidity is a clear representation of your psyche. You want to be the smartest one in the group. You want to be able to shun all who aren't as intelligent as you, or identify mistake points to prove to the higher-ups that you are the dominant one. Wake up.

      Whoops. I'm a dumb ass because I confused an article I was reading about copyrights (totally separate and not related) with the trademarks one I was posting about. I guess that means I'm a dumb, worthless piece of crap that doesn't know shit for shit.

      Why don't you (if you even bother to re-read this, oh Anonymous Lord of All) ask a question like "You realize you just confused copyright with trademark, right?"

      I'm used to being put down in school, but this is inexcusable. Ask first, judge later.

    2. Re:Trademark by ronabop · · Score: 1

      Exclusive rite? You mean, like a Masonic order?

    3. Re:Trademark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You confused copyright, trademark, and patent. Of course, this sub-thread is pretty much devoid of intellect, spelling, and proper grammar at this point. It's like watching Republicans "debate".

    4. Re:Trademark by poofmeisterp · · Score: 1

      Then why are you involved?

  80. I have an idea by klwood911 · · Score: 1

    I call first dibs if it is not already taken. I will patent the "pinch to unlock gesture". Most screens will recognize a two figure gesture (Multi-touch) Instead of sliding your finger to the side, bring both fingers together on the screen to unlock. I understand it may be difficult for a user missing fingers, and we may be able to come up with a resolution for that, but this will correct the issue for now. When it is pattented, I will open source the patent and then anyone can use it. Sound like a plan?

    1. Re:I have an idea by fluffy99 · · Score: 1

      A good percentage of Android devices are not multitouch. Most of the multitouch ones are only two-touch, which is really annoying for games with multiple screen buttons that sometimes need you to hit three buttons..

  81. we need to get rid of patents. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i'm going to patent nose picking.

    using ones index finger to remove obstruction from nostril, figure 1a.

    and then sue people that i catch picking their nose at red lights.

    seriously, this ridiculousness that masquerade as USPTO needs to stop.

  82. Prior Art... by Genda · · Score: 1

    You are all witnesses to this prior art. I hereby patent the slide unlock with a middle finger to express how I feel about Apple!

  83. I have used it long ago...... by InspectorGadget1964 · · Score: 1

    I had a Palm Pilot IIIx and to unlock it you had to slide the stylus from left to right at the bottom of the screen. That is proof that Apple is just another patent troll

  84. PalmOS devices can unlock with a swipe by pruss · · Score: 1

    I just set my Palm TX (ca. 2005) to unlock with a swipe plus a tap using only stock stuff. :-) How did I do it? I set the password to a space, and turned on full-screen graffiti input. Now, to unlock it, I just needed enter a space, and then tap on "OK". And with full-screen graffiti input, you enter a space by swiping right. (OK, you have to make sure you don't swipe too far--the swipe needs to stay in the relevant alphabetic subdivision.

    With the TealLock PalmOS app, I could even set a quick password that wouldn't need to tap the "OK" button. I assume Graffiti will still work. So, you wouldn't even need to tap on "OK". You can then use any sequence of gestures that are a part of the Graffiti alphabet to unlock then. So you could unlock with a swipe-right (space), a swipe-down (i), a swipe-up (!), a right-side-up U (u), an upside-down U (a), a backwards alpha (x), etc. TealLock's Quick Lock feature came in before version 5.30, which was released in October, 2004.

    I don't know if it counts as animation exactly, but Graffiti will draw a line following the touch contact.

  85. fuck off apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    fuck apple

  86. the patent isn't that broad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The patent only covers a specific manner of implementing "slide to unlock." The first claim is reproduced below. If you slide to unlock without moving the image with the user's finger, you don't infringe If you slide to unlock without requiring the user start at a "predefined location," e.g., if any left to right movement works, you don't infringe. If you slide to unlock without requiring the user terminate the gesture in a specific region on the display, you don't infringe. Read the claims people. They are the only part of a patent that matters.

    1. A method of unlocking a hand-held electronic device, the device including a touch-sensitive display, the method comprising: detecting a contact with the touch-sensitive display at a first predefined location corresponding to an unlock image; continuously moving the unlock image on the touch-sensitive display in accordance with movement of the contact while continuous contact with the touch screen is maintained, wherein the unlock image is a graphical, interactive user-interface object with which a user interacts in order to unlock the device; and unlocking the hand-held electronic device if the moving the unlock image on the touch-sensitive display results in movement of the unlock image from the first predefined location to a predefined unlock region on the touch-sensitive display.

    1. Re:the patent isn't that broad by WorBlux · · Score: 1

      No the claims made are even worse than the title. For instance twist to unlock is also covered.

      "If you slide to unlock without requiring the user terminate the gesture in a specific region on the display, you don't infringe"

      Computers only operate specifically. "Any place on screen" is still a specific location

      Lastly the patent is bogus anyways like all software patents. The computer doesn't use location in it's operation, it manipulates symbols which just so happen to relate to location, but such a feature is irrelevant to the method the symbols are processed.

  87. This souds like an oportunity... by Pence128 · · Score: 1

    for student lawyers. Sue to have shitty patents overturned (on behalf of the US public or w/e) where you have no chance of loosing. Big plus on your resume. USPTO should solicit public expertise. Post the patent application on the website and ask for prior art etc. Additionally, if a patent is found to be grossly invalid, the examiner who granted it should be held accountable. Maybe investigated for corruption and/or incompetence.

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  88. first to file usa by Nemo's+Night+Sky · · Score: 1

    first to file usa

  89. Instant Patent Maker by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    // Instant Smartphone Patent Maker
      h = openFile("ordinary_behavior.txt");
      while (w = readNextWord(h)) {
        if (random(0.0,1.0) > 0.96) {
          w = w + " on a smartphone ";
        }
        print(w);
      }

    The code is patented, by the way.

    1. Re:Instant Patent Maker by Shazback · · Score: 1

      Ah, but is it patented... On a smartphone?

  90. Occupy Birdy Street by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    I'll send a "gesture" patent to the Patent Office. You'd have to pay me royalties after a typical commute.

  91. Door handles by naff89 · · Score: 1

    "Patent for a door with a mechanical handle that may be opened via gestures performed on the handle. The door is opened if contact with the handle corresponds to a predefined gesture for opening the door."

  92. Keep in mind the new law: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First to File, not First Use. Prior Art doesn't matter anymore. If it's not already patented, it doesn't count.

  93. Smash yourself in the head with a brick to unlock! by Gavin+Scott · · Score: 1

    Honestly Slide to Unlock is the most awful, horrible, annoying, misfeature in the entire iOS system.

    Please for the love of god Apple, let me disable this horror.

    There is a perfectly good physical switch on the phone which has never, ever, been pushed accidentally. I just want to be able to pick the damn phone up and push a button and have it ON and READY TO USE. I do not want to have to orient it using two hands and perform a careful gesture with no tactile feedback FOR NO EFFING GOOD REASON before I can do anything with the device.

    They are welcome to this patent, as I can't imagine ever actually wanting this feature.

    Based on how negative of an effect this feature has on iPhone use, I can only assume they have also filed for patents like the one in the subject line, as well as Hit-yourself-in-the-genitals-with-a-baseball-bat-to-unlock, Strangle-a-kitten-to-unlock, and Feed-a-baby-to-a-dingo-to-unlock, all of which could be only marginally worse than the current implementation.

    G.

  94. Apple didn't do it first though. by fluffy99 · · Score: 1

    As The Neonode N1m phone had a slide-to-unlock feature that predated the first Apple patent by more than a year. A Dutch court ruled that the slide to unlock patent was invalid because of this very device. Don't expect any Apple lawsuits to be successful.

  95. tags by macshit · · Score: 1

    Incidentally, what tags do people use for stories like this?

    I've been using "patentabuse", and also "patenttroll" for more egregious behavior.

    Any better suggestions?

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  96. aussie FTA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unfortunately its not just the USA that suffers. Here in Australia, thanks to the "free trade agreement" which is anything but that... US Patents are enforceable in Australia, despite our own patent office being pretty good. Im not sure if Apple did sue Samsung in Australia for American patents, but the whole system is not good. So now I guess slide to unlock is enforceable here, despite the fact you couldnt patent it here. Now theres a great system :(

  97. Apple fanboys by ToddInSF · · Score: 1

    Blame a toad in the US Patent Office. But not Apple. Nooooooooooo.

  98. Actual argument between USPTO examiners and apple by KWInt1601 · · Score: 1

    There's some interesting reading to be done on the earlier February case. I can't link to the actual document, but you can use USPTO PAIR (their public information access system) to read the correspondence. Instructions on how to use the system are here: http://intellogist.wordpress.com/2010/08/03/using-uspto-public-pair-part-1/ If you get past the recaptcha and enter "7,657,849" after choosing the "patent" radial button, you can get to the USPTO record. Click the "Image File Wrapper" tab, and check out, among other things, the "Applicant Arguments/Remarks Made in an Amendment" document filed 6/10/2009. Here, looks like the examiners tried to make a rejection on previous gesture patents, but apple's claims specifically state "moving an unlock image along a pre-defined path."

  99. How about 'obvious' by databaseadmin · · Score: 1

    The screen is 'locked' to prevent errant touching from activating. It would be unlocked by a gesture, something non-random. A slide is the most obvious gesture. Who couldn't figure out that this was 'obvious'

  100. Slide to unlock by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

    My cell phone does this as a default action (Samsung t456) which was developed about 10 years ago.

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  101. Slide to unlock? by Bayowolf · · Score: 1

    You mean Boeing doesn't already have this patent? (Anyone who has ever flown overseas *would know* what I am talking about.)

  102. Palm Gridlock prior art by Candiri · · Score: 1

    It seems this patent, in it's generalities, lends itself to prior art. In addition to the Neonode N1 phone in 2002, there was a Palm app in 2001 by company PDABusiness called Gridlock. The app used finger "gestures" on the Palm "touch-sensitive display" to match a "predefined" pattern in a 5x5 grid. This patent describes it may include an "unlock" image. This was an arrow on the first iPhone? Perhaps implementing a padlock icon was also too narrow for Apple? Time will tell, but if nothing else, this ruling definitely opened the doors for some lawyers to profit.

  103. Harsh consequences for wrong patents by wye43 · · Score: 1

    How about suing the guys who approved this travesty? I mean sue him really madly. For billions of dollars. This is not a small mistake.

    This is an opportunity. We need to set an example out of this.