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Man Protests TSA With Nudity

New submitter blindbat writes "John E. Brennon 'said he was fed up with being harassed by airport security stripped to his birthday suit while in an airport screening lane Tuesday evening and was arrested.'"

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  1. hope it was worth the megan's law list by alen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    now every time he applies for a job he will come up on the sex offender search

    1. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by xclr8r · · Score: 5, Funny
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    2. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by gl4ss · · Score: 4, Funny

      ..and the interviewer if he googles will find that article and see why. the guy is a legend now. bet you 20 bucks he reads slashdot.

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    3. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by sirdude · · Score: 2, Informative

      So, exposing yourself in public puts you on the sex offenders list? Since when? What degree of exposure are we talking about? How are "flashing" and "mooning" treated? :S

    4. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Firehed · · Score: 4, Funny

      Neckbeard like that? No doubt :p

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    5. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If a child is present, congrats, you're a sex offender.

    6. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, indecent exposure is considered a sex crime and gets you on the sex offenders registry. So don't get to drunk and pee on a sidewalk, ya know?

    7. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by wickedskaman · · Score: 5, Informative

      It does here in California. Urinating in public can put you there. Although it gives levels of offense, I don't think people who pay attention to those lists care much as it usually says something vague like "Indecent exposure" or "Public exposure", not "Was drunk, pissed in alley" or "TSA trollin'"

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    8. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by StikyPad · · Score: 3, Informative

      Since the sex offender registry was created. Public urination will land you there too. Enjoy college.

    9. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? From everything I heard it's REGARDLESS.

      Basically if anyone sees you exposed (esp in public), you're a sex offender, regardless of any children present.

    10. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Sperbels · · Score: 1
      According to the wiki article:

      For example, in most states, it[indecent exposure] is a criminal offense punishable by fines and/or imprisonment, and/or registered sex offender requirements and restrictions.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indecent_exposure_in_the_United_States

    11. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by interkin3tic · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, people shouldn't stand up against abuses of their rights: there might be NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCES TO IT!!!

    12. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by nedlohs · · Score: 4, Funny

      He clearly doesn't have a neckbeard. Either your dictionary or you eyes need checking.

    13. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So in an ironic twist, he'd be perfect TSA material.

    14. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by 19thNervousBreakdown · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Hooray for our puritanical society. Two people could beat the living shit out of each other in front of kids, which is almost certainly far more damaging to a kid's psyche than this incident, and as long as they don't press charges on each other, the most they'd get is a disturbing the peace ticket. Police officers will publicly taser (effectively, short-term torture) anyone who doesn't follow their instructions immediately and without question, although arguably that's a good lesson for a child to learn. But appearing naked in a context where they're voluntary observers at most (i.e. they can look away, and there's no stress at doing so because nobody is observing them back, making it more akin to seeing someone naked on an ultra-hi-def 3D TV than an encounter with a pervert), and he's a child molester. It's ridiculous, and anybody with an ounce of sense will see that if they actually look at the details, but the automated list escalates the offense from a silly if ill-conceived protest to a potentially life-ruining thing. I don't care if it was somebody protesting for increased TSA searches and power, the offense does not deserve that.

      I personally think this guy is a hero. If he needs any help with legal costs or finding employment in the future, I'll be donating for sure. My thanks to anyone who draws more attention to how screwed up the state of things is, especially if it's in such a funny way.

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    15. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How can the first post be modded "Redundant"? WTF?

    16. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Norwell+Bob · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I'm sure there are more constructive ways to protest than stripping in an airport in front of people. As is the TSA screener has any power... "Oh, this guy with his wang hanging out... he really put a new perspective on things for me... I've got to take this straight to the top!"

      All he's succeeded in doing is humiliating himself, his family, earning a criminal record, landing on the sex offender list, jeopardizing future employment options, and probably making a bunch of people around him nervous/scared (because, really, what sane or stable person does that?). This was a completely ineffective protest.

      But, hey, his junk was visible, so... funny, right?

    17. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Boricua1213 · · Score: 4, Informative

      I got public urination infraction, I'm not on sex offender registry. Funny, this happened during college.

    18. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by NatasRevol · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Police officers will publicly taser (effectively, short-term torture) anyone who doesn't follow their instructions immediately and without question, although arguably that's a good lesson for a child to learn.

      Why the fuck would that be a good lesson for anyone, much less a child.

      Obey immediately or get tortured?

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    19. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Sperbels · · Score: 5, Insightful

      because, really, what sane or stable person does that?

      One making a political statement.

    20. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The level of exposure doesn't matter. Your gender does.

      TFA:
      PORTLAND, Ore. -- A man who said he was fed up with being harassed by airport security stripped to his birthday suit while in an airport screening lane Tuesday evening and was arrested.

      According to Portland police, John E. Brennan took off his clothes while going through airport screening at Portland International Airport just after 5:30 p.m. and stood naked before other passengers, including children.

      TSA screeners asked Brennan to put his clothes back on, but he refused. He was arrested without incident and taken to jail, held on $4,000 bail. He faces charges of disorderly conduct and indecent exposure.

      Contrast to this story:
      http://kdvr.com/2012/04/10/woman-strips-naked-at-dia/

      DENVER – A female passenger at Denver International Airport caused a stir Tuesday morning when she stripped naked inside Concourse B, airport officials said.

      At some point after airport workers told her to extinguish the cigarette, the woman took off her clothing. It wasn’t immediately clear why. However, Denver Police say it was unrelated to the smoking issue.

      One witness, who did not want his name used, says other passengers on the concourse didn’t find the striptease amusing.

      The whole incident played-out over a span of about 20 minutes before authorities eventually transported the woman to a hospital

      Denver Police say the woman will not be arrested and she will not face any charges.

      Note: if you watch the video, it's also a public location in clear sight of many passing civilians.

    21. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      But appearing naked in a context where they're voluntary observers at most (i.e. they can look away, and there's no stress at doing so because nobody is observing them back, making it more akin to seeing someone naked on an ultra-hi-def 3D TV than an encounter with a pervert), and he's a child molester. It's ridiculous, and anybody with an ounce of sense will see that if they actually look at the details, but the automated list escalates the offense from a silly if ill-conceived protest to a potentially life-ruining thing.

      The only people who think that are the ones who don't realize that the sex offender registry can cover any kind of sexual offense, not just child molestation. Anybody with an ounce of sense and an idea of what's going on knows that no one is comparing indecent exposure to molesting kids, or implying that it's just as bad.

    22. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      I was guessing more from his fathers assertion that "he works with the internet" in california. :)

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    23. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by sjames · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Meanwhile, any kids who might have seen his protest will soon enough be fondled by the TSA, but that's somehow considered perfectly fine by the feds.

    24. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by dargaud · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm sure there are more constructive ways to protest than stripping in an airport in front of people.

      It generated more news than any other TSA protest in memory. That was a win.

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    25. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by gstoddart · · Score: 2

      He clearly doesn't have a neckbeard. Either your dictionary or you eyes need checking.

      Going by definitition 3 on Urban Dictionary, that is exactly what I've always thought of as a neckbeard.

      Facial hair that extends underneath your chin and onto your neck.

      Of course, I'm sure it's not a standardized word either.

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    26. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He exposed himself to children! Just think, now these kids when taking a bath might look down at themselves. For thousands of years children have had to see human bodies, this must be stopped.

    27. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by cpu6502 · · Score: 1

      I'm surprised. I thought California had lots of nude or topless beaches, where exposing yourself was not a crime? (shrug)

      I liked the lady who showed-up in a bikini, thus showing she was not hiding anything. Unfortunately that tactic won't work 10 years from now when she's fatter and not so good looking. Then the TSA will be demanding she cover-up. LOL.

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    28. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by 19thNervousBreakdown · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sorry, I left out part of the sentence I'd meant to put in there, and thought it wasn't worth a self-reply to clarify due to obviousness (forgetting that it's obviously going to be obvious to me, I was thinking it, but not necessarily obvious what I meant to others, who are used to people with awful opinions posting on slashdot): I think it's an horrific thing that it happens, and that the lesson is one of the most traumatic things a child is can be subjected to, but it's better than being ignorant of it.

      I say arguably, because some might think ignorance of the reality is better, at least until they're likely to have to deal with it personally.

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    29. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by StikyPad · · Score: 4, Informative
    30. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like all criminal cases in the US, the outcome is dependent on these things in this order: arresting officer, prosecuting attorney, judge presiding over case, jury (if it comes to this).

      This is how some of you have been caught urinating in public and were only given a court date and a fine. I hate the system as much as the next guy, but I find it unlikely very many people caught drunk and urinating in public have been put on the sex offender list. Especially if you're not an asshole and/or hired a decent lawyer.

    31. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because as long as America remains the way it is, the situation will always be "Obey or be Tortured"? Also, they'll remember you later so they can arrange for more torture to go along with the tasing/pepper spray?

    32. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by N0Man74 · · Score: 1

      If a child is present, congrats, you're a sex offender.

      It doesn't always require that a child is present... People have been put on sex offender lists for both mooning and public urination, without children being present. It's the result of our "tough on crime" and "zero tolerance" attitudes.

    33. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Public urination (even in the woods) puts you on the sex offenders list. Mooning puts you on the sex offenders list. Those fall under "public indecency". Accidentally bumping into a woman's breasts or bottom will net you a sexual battery charge if she decides to prosecute.

    34. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WTF?! ...

      Have the grammar nazi's gone on strike?!

    35. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      According to a wiki perhaps, but I and others disagree. IRregardLESS is a double negative.
      According to many sites (like this one), regardless is the correct version.

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    36. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by JustOK · · Score: 3, Funny

      apostrophe is not needed. Nazi is already plural. Remember it's one nazus, two or more nazi

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    37. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by kelemvor4 · · Score: 0

      ..and the interviewer if he googles will find that article and see why. the guy is a legend now. bet you 20 bucks he reads slashdot.

      If I was considering an applicant and the background check came up with a sex offender hit I wouldn't waste another second on him. In this case the guy wold be getting a raw deal but there's far too many engineers out there without a major red flag to make further research worth my time.

    38. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by OzPeter · · Score: 0

      The level of exposure doesn't matter. Your gender does

      You just don't get it do you. Only men can be sex offenders, and then only if they are strangers to the children.

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    39. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      So in an ironic twist, he'd be perfect TSA material.

      lol, that's what I was thinking. Pot, kettle, black?

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    40. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by geekoid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's almost like Portland and Denver are different places.

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    41. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just like the "ain't ain't a word" fever pitched debates of old, irregardless is a word irregardless of what you read on many websites and irregardless of what you may think on the subject. Right, wrong or indifferent... love, hate it, take it or leave it... Welcome to the evolving English language.

    42. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by ZeroSumHappiness · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Except he'll be filtered by HR, not by a clueful interviewer.

    43. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True! Thank god we still have some people in America that are able to care about ideals. It helps combat all the negative images that are associated with America and its perversion of the free-market.

    44. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by bregmata · · Score: 2

      I am naked under my clothes. Right now. Completely naked. C'mon, put me on the list.

    45. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Jesus_666 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "American cops are scary and can easily ruin your day so keep your distance and act inconspicious when you can't" seems like a perfectly good lesson to learn.

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    46. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, it's a word that means, "I don't know what the fuck I am talking about." Use it all you want.

    47. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by headwes · · Score: 0
      According to the Portland Police Bureau:

      Being naked in public in Portland is legal if it falls within the guidelines of ORS 163.465, which are included below. Or. Rev. Stat. 163.465. Public indecency (1) A person commits the crime of public indecency if while in, or in view of, a public place the person performs: (a) An act of sexual intercourse; (b) An act of deviate sexual intercourse; or (c) An act of exposing the genitals of the person with the intent of arousing the sexual desire of the person or another person. (2) (a) Public indecency is a Class A misdemeanor. (b) Notwithstanding paragraph (a) of this subsection, public indecency is a Class C felony if the person has a prior conviction for public indecency or a crime described in ORS 163.355 to 163.445 or for a crime in another jurisdiction that, if committed in this state, would constitute public indecency or a crime described in ORS 163.355 to 163.445.

    48. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by eln · · Score: 1

      Except that most employers will immediately round-file your application if you show up on a sex offender registry at all. They rarely go through the effort of finding out the details.

    49. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      The whole incident played-out over a span of about 20 minutes before authorities eventually transported the woman to a hospital

      There is your clue. They took her to hospital, not the police station. She didn't appear to have any rational reason for what she did. Sounds like she needed medical assistance for some psychological issues, i.e. she was ill.

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    50. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

      Not a word. It's actually IRREGARDLESS.

      o.O

      (QD reaches for the red button labeled "Giant Bomb At Earth's Core")

      Don't make me do it!

    51. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 2

      Or a brace of nazgul.

    52. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by AlamedaStone · · Score: 2

      Like all criminal cases in the US, the outcome is dependent on these things in this order: arresting officer, prosecuting attorney, judge presiding over case, jury (if it comes to this).

      This is how some of you have been caught urinating in public and were only given a court date and a fine. I hate the system as much as the next guy, but I find it unlikely very many people caught drunk and urinating in public have been put on the sex offender list. Especially if you're not an asshole and/or hired a decent lawyer.

      So your lesson is assholes and poor people deserve to have their lives destroyed for tinkling?

      Nice. I agree, I won't speak out for public urinators either, because I'm not one myself. Something tells me that will be the last we hear of this vicious cycle!

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    53. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'd be more likely to hire him. There's a good chance sex offender meant he urinated in public or some other inane thing. I need employees who are willing to take some risks.

    54. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those beaches are probably private property.

      Public Indecency laws only apply when you are on (or can be seen from) public proporty. Also the cops can't enter private property without probably cause (or permission of the owner.)

    55. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Totally different. The guy was obviously a pervert. The woman was just unwarranted/unwanted by SOME.

    56. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

      Not for much longer. 2012 and all.

    57. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by RapmasterT · · Score: 4, Funny

      I am naked under my clothes. Right now. Completely naked. C'mon, put me on the list.

      Perverts like you make me sick.

    58. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by kimvette · · Score: 5, Insightful

      My friend's dad is on the list - he ducked behind a bush to urinate out of sight because no public restrooms were available. Some prude saw him go behind the bush but didn't actually see him urinate, was "offended" and called the cops. It ended his teaching career because he is now on the sex offender registry. It is total bullshit. Another thing that can land you there: if you get laid and the chick later changes her mind and presses rape charges, even though she was totally willing at the time. Congrats, you scoring at the bar the other night might just have landed you on a sex offender list.

      Besides, what the hell is wrong with nudity? Why are we in America so terrified of the human body?

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    59. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      ..and the interviewer if he googles will find that article and see why. the guy is a legend now. bet you 20 bucks he reads slashdot.

      If I was considering an applicant and the background check came up with a sex offender hit I wouldn't waste another second on him. In this case the guy wold be getting a raw deal but there's far too many engineers out there without a major red flag to make further research worth my time.

      I was at a baseball game and someone thought I was a rapist being sought by the local cops, called them and said they saw me "hanging around the kids" and "acting suspicious". Well, the kids I was "hanging around" happened to be MY kids, I wasn't the rapist they were looking for, and the police were very polite and apologized for bothering me.

      However, my background check now shows my ID as having been part of an investigation into a child sex crime, because technically it was- the investigation revealed that there was not actually a crime. But you won't see this on the background check, what you'll see is just the flag showing the investigation.

      So I'd like to know where you hire, because I'd love to make some quick cash suing your idiot ass after you reject my application on false grounds.
      Moron.

    60. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure where you live, but where I live the police are the ones who decide to lay charges, not the victims. If two people beat the tar out of each other they will both be charged with assault.

    61. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      To paraphrase "Alice's Restaurant":

      If one person strips at the TSA checkpoint they'll think he's crazy and won't let him fly.
      If two people strip at the TSA checkpoint they'll think their perverts and won't let either of them fly.
      If a hundred people strip at the TSA checkpoint they'll think it's a movement, and that'e exactly what it is.

    62. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Rakarra · · Score: 0

      So I'd like to know where you hire, because I'd love to make some quick cash suing your idiot ass after you reject my application on false grounds.

      And you're a fool if you think you'll get anywhere with that.
      A far greater fool if you think you won't be much poorer for it.

    63. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure there's a group of naked joggers in San Francisco who don't normally get arrested.

    64. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      She's female you know. A woman. It's an entirely different matter. Jeez!

    65. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm sure there are more constructive ways to protest than sitting in the front of the bus with black skin. As if the bus driver has any power... "Oh, this nigger bitch is riding in the Whites only section, that's really put a new perspective on things for me... I've got to take this straight to the top!"

      All she's succeeded in doing is humiliating herself, her family, earning a criminal record, landing on the violent seditionist list, jeopardizing future employment options, and probably making a bunch of people around her nervous/scared (because, really, what sane or stable nigger does that?). This was a completely ineffective protest.

      But, hey, she had a good view of the road, so... funny, right?

    66. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Tanktalus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And, if he then fights the charges in court, he can use a Free Speech defense. This is relatively (but not entirely) clear that the nudity was a form of protest and thus speech protected by the First Amendment.

    67. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by dgatwood · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What part of "No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed" do they not understand? That's not even pissing on the bill of rights. That's wiping their ass with the body of the Constitution itself.

      Simply amazing.

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    68. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All he's succeeded in doing is humiliating himself, his family, earning a criminal record, landing on the sex offender list, jeopardizing future employment options, and probably making a bunch of people around him nervous/scared (because, really, what sane or stable person does that?).

      Someone with balls. In this case, figuratively and literally.

    69. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. After my little run-in with a TSA moron in Orlando, I'm curious to hear this guy's side of the story. I'm not a frequent flyer, but I totally get his frustration. The TSA is largely irrelevant, ineffective, invasive, rude, and just generally incompetent. I think this guy was merely demonstrating the absurdity of the TSA by being absurd himself.

    70. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by interkin3tic · · Score: 2

      I'm sure there are more constructive ways to protest than stripping in an airport in front of people

      Yes, and we've done many of them already.

    71. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by starworks5 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Except for that its legal in portland to be naked, and oregon recognized nudity as a form of political speech, i should know seeing as how I organize the 10000 person world naked bike ride in portland. http://pdxwnbr.org/

    72. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More at issue: One was in protest to TSA demands. The other was just random action in a concourse.

      When you do something to protest the government, they will find a way to punish you.

      When you do those same actions at random, they might not.

    73. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 1

      That's because boobies are hot, and mansausage isn't.

      On a more serious note, these are two incidents. Anyone trying to reach broad conclusions from two data points will be able to do so easily. After all, you can fit any curve you want through two points. I'd be more interested what happens after we've had a few hundred strips take place.

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    74. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by bobbutts · · Score: 1

      "American cops are scary and can easily ruin your life so keep your distance and act inconspicious when you can't" ftfy

    75. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by McGruber · · Score: 1

      now every time he applies for a job he will come up on the sex offender search

      Apparently, in Oregon, the state constitution considers public nudity to be legal and protected as free speech, as long as there is not the "intent to arouse": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_nudity

    76. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by H1000N800 · · Score: 1

      In the San Francisco Bay Area (CA/USA) there are a number of cities where public nudity is protected, but also regulated. For example, the tea house may still turn you away for not wearing a shirt, even though you are wearing shoes. However, this brings up the timeless philosophical discussion of whether or not you are nude if you still have shoes on your feet.

    77. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And, if he then fights the charges in court, he can use a Free Speech defense. This is relatively (but not entirely) clear that the nudity was a form of protest and thus speech protected by the First Amendment.

      Also, really, what is the difference in communication between showing security your balls and letting them fondle them? One is hands on examination (more instrusive) than providing them with a clear visual inspection.

    78. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by jamstar7 · · Score: 1

      I am naked under my clothes. Right now. Completely naked. C'mon, put me on the list.

      Name?
      Social Security number?
      Place of (former) employment?

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    79. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Gr8Apes · · Score: 2

      After all, you can fit any curve you want through two points. I'd be more interested what happens after we've had a few hundred strips take place.

      I'd like a circle with a radius 1/4 the distance between the two points please.

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    80. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by clarkn0va · · Score: 1

      or irregardly.

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    81. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by jamstar7 · · Score: 2

      Meanwhile, any kids who might have seen his protest will soon enough be fondled by the TSA, but that's somehow considered perfectly fine by the feds.

      Kinda makes you wonder if the TSA screens any of their Keystone Kops for sex offenses, don't it? When is a 'sex crime' not a sex crime? When you're on the government payroll?

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    82. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gross! The main article picture did get me hot and bothered though. Kind of looks like my husband, only a little daring, sigh... :\
       
      What have I come to

    83. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Tom · · Score: 5, Informative

      Why are we in America so terrified of the human body?

      One word: Christian Right

      body hostility is an old christian tradition. Not really sure where it came from, probably as a counterpoint to the much more relaxed romans and then it just stuck.

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    84. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      People who perform circumcision should be put on the sex offender's list.

    85. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by sycodon · · Score: 4, Informative

      I knew a guy who was a Music Education major at a university well known for its music program. After finals, he and his friends were partying it up and he mooned some people from his second story window.

      Well a mom and her kids were also down there. He was convicted of indecency and because kids were "involved" he was considered a sex offender and had to register. I don't know what he's doing now, but it ain't teaching music to kids in a public school.

      This was about 1985 or so in CA.

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    86. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      Once you are dealing with the TSA, "sane" is not really a word that holds a lot of meaning.

    87. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Jesus_666 · · Score: 1

      To be honest I first had "day/life" but decided to shorten it. Brevity is the soul of not getting -1, Flamebait, as the saying goes (no matter how uncontroversial that statement would've been).

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    88. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As part of our desperation to hold on to our youth, we despise sexuality and by association, nudity (as that's the only place nudity exists in American logic).

    89. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not a lawyer but isn't there something about how violating one law to protest another still warrants legal action against the first infraction?

      Also, do airports count as government areas or are they privately owned with Federal oversight?

    90. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if you get laid and the chick later changes her mind and presses rape charges, even though she was totally willing at the time.

      Yeah the dangerous thing is "beer goggles" work on many women too, lowering of inhibitions too. And worse is women are more likely to have memory blackouts where they DON'T pass out, but the next day they don't remember what they did while drunk. Google for: alcohol blackout.

      Imagine if what she did was have consensual sex with you, but the next day when she's hungover, in a bad mood, she can't remember a thing, her genitals hurt (for nonsurprising reasons), so she accuses you of raping her while she was passed out!

      If you're going to have sex with a woman you better be sure she's not going to do that sort of thing to you. Having sex with random strangers is dangerous. I suspect hookers are likely to be more professional about it though...

    91. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by gambino21 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why are we in America so terrified of the human body?

      One word: Christian Right

      How about these two words: prison industry. The private prison industry has a strong interest in making every law as strict and harsh as possible.

    92. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by pauljlucas · · Score: 5, Informative

      It does here in California.

      No it doesn't. There is no state law regarding nudity. That said, counties or cities can enact their own local laws about it.

      For example, the famous "naked guy" of Berkeley wandered around town for quite a while until the city council finally got fed up and enacted such a law.

      San Francisco is at least one city that has no local law about nudity. You can be nude anywhere in public in San Francisco (except in a park due to a even more local SF Parks Dept. regulation, oddly). There's the famous Bay to Breakers race where entire groups of people do the race nude, not to mention there's public nudity for the Pride and Folsom events. There are even guys who regularly stroll the Castro and the Wharf areas nude.

      Actually, the city did recently enact a local law about nudity in that if you sit down while nude, you need to sit on something like a towel. You couldn't very well have such a law if there were a blanket prohibition on nudity.

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    93. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Eponymous+Hero · · Score: 1
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    94. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      Parent. Mod it up.

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    95. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by rrohbeck · · Score: 1

      The only sane place is San Francisco, where being nude in public is not illegal.
      OTOH, here in ultraconservative SoCal, people on a traditional nude beach are harassed and cited by park rangers.

    96. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another thing that can land you there: if you get laid and the chick later changes her mind and presses rape charges, even though she was totally willing at the time.

      You know what? I'm going to call absolute fucking bullshit on this. Where's the link?

    97. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by StrongAxe · · Score: 1

      That law, as questionable as it is, doesn't criminalize anything retroactively. It just imposes certain registration requirements on certain individuals, that must be carried out after the law was passed. As such, it would probably pass constitution muster, at least as far as the clause you quoted was concerned. (But then again, I'm not a lawyer, so this is just a personal opinion and not a legal one.)

    98. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... public restrooms ...

      As the name implies, it is a public place since half the population can walk in to it (more if one includes brave women), so technically hanging out your male member at a men's toilet is still a crime!

      Of course, when every male does it, the DA can't mount a cost-effective prosecution.

      Speaking of everyone, how many women have been labeled sex offenders, by the letter of the law, for public nudity: Not that men would complain about that! Well, excluding national television. (See nipple-gate.)

    99. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Salgak1 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Kimvette asks:

      Besides, what the hell is wrong with nudity? Why are we in America so terrified of the human body?

      Visit your nearest Wal-Mart. Visualize the people you meet there, nude. And THAT should answer your question nicely. . .

    100. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      forgetting that it's obviously going to be obvious to me, I was thinking it, but not necessarily obvious what I meant to others, who are used to people with awful opinions posting on slashdot

      Haha, yes, I often fall victim to the same self-delusions, and wonder how anyone can take the alternate interpretation to be the intended one. That said, I read at +3 so I don't see most of the awful opinions that may or may not be present.

    101. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by budgenator · · Score: 1

      Urinating in public can get you an indecent exposure conviction and on the sex offenders list for life.

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    102. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      Also, do airports count as government areas or are they privately owned with Federal oversight?

      No, they're within the jurisdiction of the local police or subdivisions of the local police (such as the LAXPD). The TSA ostensibly doesn't do law enforcement.

    103. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by dgatwood · · Score: 3

      An ex post facto law need not criminalize anything. Even laws that add additional punishments after sentencing are considered an ex post facto law. The specious reasoning behind allowing this absurdity is that being put on a sex offender list is not a punishment. And this was the point at which it became perfectly clear that the SCOTUS has lost all touch with reality.

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    104. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by brentrad · · Score: 2

      Here's the thing though: Oregon has VERY liberal laws as relates to public nudity. In fact, "Public Indecency" is defined as only being a crime if the intent was to arouse sexual desire, or includes sexual intercourse. It is hard to argue that this guy's intent was to cause arousal. (Full disclosure: I'm an Oregon native, currently living in the Portland metro area, and I fully support what this guy did. But IANAL.)

      http://www.naturistaction.org/StatesFrames/State_Laws_Frames/Oregon_Laws/body_oregon_laws.html

      Each year, we have a Naked Bike Ride through the streets of Portland, and the only people that get arrested are stupid drunk gawkers that cause problems. We have the Oregon Country Fair each year near Eugene, where half the women go topless (it's a weekend of great fun with crafts and drum circles and just a great hippie vibe.) There's nude beaches in the Portland area. There's the annual Gay Pride parade where there's plenty of nudity of both sexes. Every once in a while there's a huge controversy in some smaller towns where a nudist will parade around naked through the streets - and the police can generally do nothing about it. Nudity is also considered "free speech" - consequently we have the 2nd highest per capita number of strip clubs in the US in Portland - second only to Springfield Oregon just south of here (yes, THAT Springfield that was the inspiration for Matt Groening's "The Simpsons.")

      So it remains to be seen whether any of the nudity-related charges will hold up in court. I suspect he'll end up just being charged for disorderly conduct, if he has a halfway decent lawyer ... and possibly be put on the No Fly List.

    105. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by sorak · · Score: 1

      Why are we in America so terrified of the human body?

      One word: Christian Right

      body hostility is an old christian tradition. Not really sure where it came from, probably as a counterpoint to the much more relaxed romans and then it just stuck.

      Guilt is one hell of a control device. It keeps the flock coming back. It creates an insurmountable gap between them and the secular world, and makes for one hell of a slippery slope argument. After all, the people who ask too many questions seem to have no problem with sex, masturbation, gluttony, drinking or drug use. If that's what they're doing today, imagine how much worse they'll be in 20 years.

    106. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by brentrad · · Score: 4, Informative

      But not in Oregon. Public nudity isn't even against the law here, unless there is "the intent of arousing the sexual desire of the person or another person" or "an act of sexual intercourse" is involved.

      http://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/163.465

      Nudity is generally considered "free speech" here. Our free speech laws are MUCH stronger than most states' are, and much stronger than the federal laws are. This guy may get off with just a charge of disorderly conduct, or if he has a decent lawyer may get off completely. There were lots of witnesses, and from all accounts he wasn't disregarding any of the screeners' commands...except removing all his clothes of course.

    107. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like all non crimes where no violation of property has occurred, there is no easy way to prove such things. Discrimination based on faulty understanding of what a sex offender label means is tragic, but trying to sue for it is absurd. Rather than trying to solve your problem(caused by the agency you intend to employ, no less) through violence, might I suggest a different approach? Instead of threats, try appealing to reason and decency. Try seeking out employers worthy of hiring you. You do not solve the problem of misplaced bigotry by threatening to steal money from bigots.

    108. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by turgid · · Score: 2

      One word: Christian Right

      That's one plus another one...

      In my experience, the most illiberal and vocal opponents of things in general tend to be those who have feelings of inadequacy, are scared of something, often due to ignorance, but also as a way of dealing with (i.e. by hiding) personal weakness.

      As a natural curmudgeonly and intolerant person, I have to keep reminding myself of these things lest I descent the slippery slope to Tory voting, believing in the supernatural and hating foreigners (since it's far less effort than thinking about things rationally).

      My current crop of irrational fears are: spiders, heights and exploding Muslim fundamentalists.

    109. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by budgenator · · Score: 1

      It's an even older Jewish tradition, goes back to that Adam and Lilith, then Adam and Eve, Forbidden Fruit and garden of Eden story.

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    110. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by zoloto · · Score: 1

      You clearly need to source better than urban dictionary..

    111. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by brentrad · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's not against the law in Oregon to be naked in public, unless the purpose was "arousing the sexual desire of the person or another person", or it includes "an act of sexual intercourse". As a fellow Oregonian, liberal, and opponent of these ever-increasing draconian searches before flying, I think it's great he made this political statement.

      http://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/163.465

    112. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by brentrad · · Score: 1

      Especially in Oregon, where public nudity isn't even against the law:

      http://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/163.465

      And generally, nudity is considered free speech here.

    113. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by wickedskaman · · Score: 1
      Sure about that?

      California Penal Code Sec. 314. “Every person who willfully and lewdly, either: 1. Exposes his person, or the private parts thereof, in any public place, or in any place where there are present other persons to be o ended or annoyed thereby; or, 2. Procures, counsels, or assists any person so to expose himself or take part in any model artist exhibition, or to make any other exhibition of himself to public view, or the view of any number of persons, such as is o ensive to decency, or is adapted to excite to vicious or lewd thoughts or acts, is guilty of a misdemeanor.” California Jury Instructions -- Criminal. CALJIC 16.220 -- Indecent exposure. “In order to prove this crime, each of the following elements must be proved: [1] A person intentionally exposed [his] [her] [person] [private parts] [in a public place] [, or] [in any place where there were present other persons to be o ended or annoyed]; AND [2] That person did so with the speci c intent to direct public attention to [his] [her] genitals for the purpose of [his] [her] own sexual arousal or grati - cation, or that of another, or of sexually insulting or o ending others.” On [2], public attention to the anus, anal area, buttocks, pubic hair or a women’s breast(s) are not to be considered in proving this crime.

      States and municipalities can twist that. Depending on the seemingly innocuous circumstances it's just a double charge away from being put on a list. I'm just sayin'...

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    114. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Prien715 · · Score: 1

      body hostility is an old christian tradition. Not really sure where it came from

      It's actually much older. Ya see, the early Jews were at war with the Canannites -- probably more an ideological war rather than the physical one as very little evidence exists of an armed struggle archeologically from the towns of the same period.

      However, it is true that their religion was pretty sexually liberated and there's a very good argument to be made that their sexual practices were central to the early idea of cultural identity if only to differentiate them to their neighbors. There's a reason why the word "sodomy" exists and also the better known passages in the Torah about a man lying with another man as with a woman (not sure where the prohibition on female-female relations occurs). As a side note, this possibly only prevents anal sex, not all homosexuality (indeed, flaming British playwright Noel Coward found the practice "disgusting" so I'm guessing he loved oral).

      This is not to say there's anything morally superior about this position; Noah screwed his daughters after discovering wine -- but is never condemned for this. And he's not alone.

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    115. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 0

      Actually, the city did recently enact a local law about nudity in that if you sit down while nude, you need to sit on something like a towel. You couldn't very well have such a law if there were a blanket prohibition on nudity.

      So, is it ok to sit down on a blanket? Or is there a towel prohibition against this?

    116. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One word: Christian Right

      Note to self; don't trust the counting skills of atheist leftists.

    117. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why are we in America so terrified of the human body?

      Two Words: Overwhelming Obesity

    118. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Tom · · Score: 1

      You missed the meta-level: That is actually just one word, because at least in america, the two are the same.

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    119. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Tom · · Score: 1

      Interesting. That puts the Sodom & Gomorrah story into a new light if its considered as an inter-cultural conflict instead of a story about deteriorating morals.

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    120. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by rhook · · Score: 1

      SCOTUS has ruled nudity to be a form of free speech when used in this manor. The charges will most likely be dropped.

    121. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by daemonenwind · · Score: 1

      3 words: Song of Solomon.

      Go read some of the Bible and tell me again some time what you know of Christianity.

    122. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by russotto · · Score: 1

      An ex post facto law need not criminalize anything. Even laws that add additional punishments after sentencing are considered an ex post facto law.

      That ship sailed years ago. Basically they pretend all of those new punishments aren't punishments. Up to and including indefinite imprisonment. It started with the Gun Control Act of 1968 (forbidding felons from owning guns, even if they were convicted prior to the law) and it came to completion in 2006 with U.S. v. Comstock, allowing indefinite detention of convicted sex offenders after completing their sentence.

    123. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Sketchly · · Score: 3, Funny

      Why are we in America so terrified of the human body?

      One word: Christian Right

      How about these two words: prison industry. The private prison industry has a strong interest in making every law as strict and harsh as possible.

      How about these two words: 'fat' and 'ugly'?

    124. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Sketchly · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but what are you wearing??

    125. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by dead_cthulhu · · Score: 1

      I'm one of the happily child-free, but I actually do fear the day when my siblings drop sprogs and what could happen to me when I hang out with said spawn. I can't claim any understanding of your situation, but I wish the best to you

      That's part of the problem of having draconian laws coupled with a sensationalist media. Despite the fact that all crime is only a small fraction of what it was in the era when old-timers tell us that they didn't lock the doors, we have an entire populace that is afraid of everyone.

      It's insane what can get people on the sex-offenders register, such as drunks pissing in the alley after last call, or a couple swimming nude in their own pool despite having a 9' privacy fence because some neighbour's crotch-fruit decides to have a peek. In the former case, the guy should get court-ordered alcohol education at the very worst, and in the latter, the brats should be prosecuted for trespass. In fact, a good friend of mine could be labeled a "sex-offender" under California statutes (which have no "Romeo and Juliet" provisions) for sleeping with her then-boyfriend,, and now husband of almost 15 years during the two weeks between her 18th birthday and his.

      Perhaps my aversion to having kids myself stems from not wanting to bring a child into a world where I see things as only going from bad to worse

    126. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by dead_cthulhu · · Score: 1

      Don't forget a culture of Puritans. As much as I don't want to see people walking around nude (for æsthetic reasons, considering how most nudists/naturists look), there is nothing morally wrong or inherently sexual with the human body in its natural state. The only saving grace of growing up in a religious household is that for me, sex will always be dirty.

    127. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by dead_cthulhu · · Score: 1

      How I wish that I hadn't commented on this, so I could toss you a mod point.

    128. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So I'd like to know where you hire, because I'd love to make some quick cash suing your idiot ass after you reject my application on false grounds.

      There are a few things that you aren't allowed to ask, and some factors that you cannot use to reject candidates, but I'm pretty damned sure that if an HR guy rejected an application on the grounds of "Background check returned investigation relating to child sex crime", you would be laughed out of the lawyer's office.

      Besides, the response is going to be "A more suitable candidate was selected", or "No candidates were deemed to be suitable for the position."

    129. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Surely there is some judicial discretion about landing someone on a sex offender registry? Judges are meant to be fairly smart people, right? I would have hoped that someone given the power to judge someone guilty and hand out a penalty would be able to do so with some intelligence.

    130. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Technically it isn't illegal for a felon to own a gun, only for a licensed dealer to sell a gun to a felon. Private sales between individuals are not impeded. I'm not saying it isn't potentially a punishment, but it isn't nearly as clear cut.

      Also, United States v. Comstock didn't cover the ex post facto question. It covered only whether it was within the authority of the Federal Government to pass such a law. The question of whether it violated the right to not have additional punishments imposed by a law passed after sentencing was not the issue before the court. Because the government has always had the right to force the institutionalization of the insane, this was a ridiculous approach for trying to overturn the law.

      The correct argument was not that the institutionalization was wrong, but that either the institutionalization or the imprisonment that preceded it must inherently be wrong. Either the person is sane and can stand trial (in which case the institutionalization is not legitimate) or the person is not sane and should never have been tried in the first place. One cannot simultaneously be sane or insane. I'm not sure why this point was not argued....

      Either way, that's entirely different from directly and explicitly retroactively applying a law to prior convictions after the person has served his or her time. That's just wrong, by any standards of decency, and tends to significantly increase recidivism, which means that it is also harmful to a free society. The Founding Fathers understood this, which is why that clause is in our Constitution in the first place.

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    131. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by CAPSLOCK2000 · · Score: 1

      I'm sure there are more constructive ways to protest than stripping in an airport in front of people. As is the TSA screener has any power... "Oh, this guy with his wang hanging out... he really put a new perspective on things for me... I've got to take this straight to the top!"
      [snip]
      This was a completely ineffective protest.

      I disagree. Convincing TSA screeners is pointless. They are just low-payed employees with no influence whatsover. Protesting is about getting attention for your cause from the masses. As this story is on Slashdot I think he succeeded and that his protest was very effective.

    132. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by couchslug · · Score: 3, Funny

      That's horrible! No child should be fondled without benefit of clergy!

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    133. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      Watch his name appear on the TSA No-Fly-List any day now.

    134. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by mug+funky · · Score: 1

      it's a perfectly cromulent word!

    135. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by mug+funky · · Score: 1

      they'll give her an "enhanced pat-down" to search under her folds and rolls.

    136. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by NeverSuchBefore · · Score: 1

      That's okay with me. The English language can't possibly get any more inconsistent and illogical than it already is.

    137. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by FlashBIOS · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Why are we in America so terrified of the human body?

      One word: Christian Right

      body hostility is an old christian tradition. Not really sure where it came from, probably as a counterpoint to the much more relaxed romans and then it just stuck.

      Yet "body hostility" also exists in numerous other cultures, such as many of those in Asia, that weren't influenced by the Christian Right.

      So, instead of repeating tired tropes about scapegoat groups, how about we place the blame where it really belongs: different people are different.

    138. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by russotto · · Score: 1

      If you don't like Comstock, look at the earlier Kansas v. Hendricks (1997), which did address (and dismiss) the ex post facto question.

    139. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by chrismcb · · Score: 2

      Stripping naked as a form of protest and well with your First Amendment rights, is not indecent exposure. Indecent exposure requires intent. Oregon state law says "intent of arousing the sexual desire of the person or another person."
      I guess a cop can charge you with anything he wants, but making it stick is a whole nother matter.
      I applaud this guy, and hope more people follow his protest.
      Not sure why is father thinks the guy was stressed (well any more stressed than any other person going through the security theater)

    140. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by chrismcb · · Score: 1

      earning a criminal record, landing on the sex offender list,

      Innocent until proven guilty... How did he earn a criminal record and land on a sex offender's list? He didn't break Oregon's indecency law, and the disorderly conduct is questionable too.

    141. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by chrismcb · · Score: 1

      While I agree the the nudity was a form of protest... EVEN if it wasn't, it isn't against Oregon law.

    142. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the fuck? im not hiring you. go apply for the gov or something if you want to cry after being rejecting. seriously, suing somebody over not getting hired would not make any sense that there is a surplus of jobs on moster/yahoo yet a national unemployment rate. pussy.

    143. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Moofie · · Score: 1

      Many of the cultures in Asia are not particularly germane to the American body phobia being discussed.

      But hey, feed your rage beast!

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    144. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rage beast? How lovely. Non-American sociology was brought into the discussion by the parent.

      Next time I'll be sure to consult you before responding to a topic to make sure I follow your understanding of the rules. It will obviously be best for everyone involved.

    145. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      You clearly need to source better than urban dictionary..

      OK, how about having known wizened old geeks in the 90's people referred to as neckbeards.

      To me it's a full beard where you make no pretense of shaving your neck, just pruning the beard back, if at all.

      The version from urban dictionary I cited matches with my 20 year old usage of the term.

      Anecdotal? Sure. Real usage? Absolutely.

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    146. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by monstermagnet · · Score: 1

      18 U.S.C. 922(g). Nuff said.

      IAAL who's worked for a Federal judge. These are slam-dunks for the US Attys.

      Seriously, if you don't know basic code (the law-type, not the geek type) on this topic, sit down and STFU. This sort of "advice" can ruin someone's life.

    147. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A whole new crowdsourcing could be started. "I want to challenge this law, it will take X years and I expect costs to be Y. Donate here"

      Lawkicker?

    148. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by sir-gold · · Score: 1

      visit http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/ for examples if you don't want to leave the house or you live outside the tentacle range of wal-mart.

    149. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by belg4mit · · Score: 1

      http://download.lardlad.com/sounds/season12/error12.mp3 Simpsons reference (not cromulence)

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    150. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Jstlook · · Score: 1

      I'm fine with making a political statement, but please refrain from movements while nude at the screeners. That sh*t's got to stop someplace - use the restroom first.

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    151. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      First, I'm not giving any advice here. Second, I'm failing to see how the legal code you're linking to disagrees with my comment that federal law does not absolutely prevent a felon from owning a gun. As far as I can tell, there are two situations in which this can legally occur:

      • A felon can purchase a firearm and later become a non-violent felon. Such a person does not, to my knowledge, magically lose that firearm (except perhaps in California).
      • A felon living in a state that does not have laws specifically banning private sale of firearms to felons can legally purchase them from individuals residing in that state, provided that the sellers are not licensed dealers or collectors.

      Unless I'm missing something significant, the federal laws you cite above only cover two types of sale: interstate/international sales and sales by licensed dealers/collectors. Am I missing something?

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    152. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Dracophile · · Score: 1

      Gitmo already tipped us off about that one. Just ask David Hicks, or, better still, have a listen to the complete fcking bogans who think that what was done to him was perfectly fine. You don't have to look too hard to find support for ex post facto legislation.

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    153. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by fearofcarpet · · Score: 1

      Another thing that can land you there: if you get laid and the chick later changes her mind and presses rape charges, even though she was totally willing at the time. Congrats, you scoring at the bar the other night might just have landed you on a sex offender list.

      That happened to a friend of mine when he was 17. The girl's super-conservative fundie dad found out that she had had sex with him and multiple other guys one weekend at which point--weeks after the incident--she claimed rape. Through some bizarre legal logic they waited for him to turn 18 and then charged him with statutory rape (i.e., she was also 17 and thus too young to have consented legally). After having his face plastered all over our small-town newspaper with the word "rapist" over it, he had to rely on rides from his friends because he would be pulled over and harassed as soon as a cop spotted his car. He was publicly mocked and routinely kicked out of local establishments. Once his probation was up, he moved to another state to start a new life. The galling part was that the girl later apologized to him, saying that her dad would kill her if he found out that she had premarital sex (and he was by no means her first).

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    154. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not me. I'm wearing three layers.

    155. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Tom · · Score: 1

      Yet "body hostility" also exists in numerous other cultures, such as many of those in Asia, that weren't influenced by the Christian Right.

      So? The fact that hacksaws can chop your arm off doesn't mean that everyone who has but one arm has lost the other one to a hacksaw.

      In western culture, body hostility is predominantly caused by the abrahamic religions. You can check practically every western culture not dominated by one of them, whether it is ancient greek, rome, northern tribal cultures (vikings, germanic tribes, etc.) and you will find them to be a lot less hostile towards the human body, nudity, sexuality, etc.

      The fact that the same phenomenon appears in other cultures for other reasons does not invalidate that one bit.

      So, instead of repeating tired tropes about scapegoat groups, how about we place the blame where it really belongs: different people are different.

      That's a sentence with no valuable content. That's handwaving, not searching for an answer.

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    156. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Tom · · Score: 1

      Go read some of the Bible

      No, thanks. I did that once and it's a big part of what made me be so disgusted about everyone who draws inspiration from such a bad, evil, fear-mongering, primitive, nebulous source.

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    157. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by hairyfish · · Score: 1

      Yet "body hostility" also exists in numerous other cultures, such as many of those in Asia, that weren't influenced by the Christian Right.

      So, instead of repeating tired tropes about scapegoat groups, how about we place the blame where it really belongs: different people are different.

      He said "Why are we in America so terrified...."
      Different cultures have different reasons, but the primary reason for nudephobia in America is the Christian Right. Most other western countries, ie the same countries that Americans originally came from, don't have the same inhibitions, so it is clearly an attitude that evolved in modern America (evolved - see what I did there?).
      Everyone has a bum and nipples, it is nothing to be afraid of.

    158. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by TheCarp · · Score: 1

      Of course he did it in protest.... he should fight that all the way to the supreme court on first amendment grounds. He was making a statement through public performance.

      Even if he loses, the best thing he can do is make for damned sure anyone wondering why he is a sex offender gets the real story.

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    159. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know of no Christian sect that bothers much about Song of Solomon (which also is in the Old Testament and thus more relevant to Jews). The JW focus on Revelations, Lutherans on Paul's letter to the Romans etc.

      So why bring it up? It does not in any way negate that the Christian right has imposed dress codes and fought nudity for centuries.

    160. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perverts like you make me sick.

      No, that is toxins, bacteria and viruses.

    161. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They can give any reason or no reason why they didn't hire you. So tough titties. Maybe use some of that ITG routine and get this removed from your record.

    162. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's right. That's why criminal case names are, say, "State of New York vs. Defendant" and not "Crime victim vs. Defendant."

    163. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Gravitron+5000 · · Score: 1

      All he's succeeded in doing is humiliating himself ...

      1) Is it more humiliating standing there naked, or having some stranger grope you while you are on display in public?

      2) Humiliation is inherently personal. You have no idea whether or not he was humiliated, and it says something about your own nudity issues that you would find his nudity humiliating to him.

    164. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Hillgiant · · Score: 1

      Go read some of the Bible and tell me again some time what you know of Christianity.

      It's not Christianity we have a problem with, it's the Christians.

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    165. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Malizar · · Score: 1

      Congress does it every year with tax law, bills are often passed in late December or even early January that apply to the prior tax year. They have been getting away with it for a long time, why would they stop now?

    166. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Golddess · · Score: 1

      Not if a third, much much higher law says that the first law was not violated.

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    167. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why are we in America so terrified of the human body?

      Have you seen the average American body? it is terrifying.

    168. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by quacking+duck · · Score: 1

      As much as I don't want to see that, that would clearly fall under "freedom of speech/expression". And if it offends or disgusts you, you don't have a right not to be offended.

      Frankly, the supreme court decision to make large piles of anonymous campaign donations qualify for "freedom of speech/expression" is far more offensive and disgusting.

    169. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by nmr_andrew · · Score: 1

      It really depends on where you are and what the local law is. I'm currently in Iowa City, and the city council recently (last month?) passed an ordinance explicitly removing public urination from the section of the code dealing with sex offenders. It's still a misdemeanor and will get you fined, but it won't put you on a registry.

    170. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Caratted · · Score: 1

      Best AC comment. Ever.

    171. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by bkcallahan · · Score: 1

      No, he won't. Oregon Law (via the Appeals Court) has repeatedly stood behind nudity as a form of protected speech if done as a protest, which this clearly was as far back as 1985 (City of Portland v. Gatewood, 76 Or. App. 74, 1985). Communication from the PPD's PIO (I live in Beaverton, OR -- this is local, nor is it all that newsworthy here) has been thus: [Edited out redundant line breaks] "Brendan, I have the answer. You are correct, there is a conflict with the laws. Rather, the City Code is more restrictive in that showing genitalia in the City is a violation of the City Code and is a misdemeanor crime. To violate the State Statute, there has to be "intent to arouse" as part of the exposure. So, technically, being nude on a bike in Portland is ok by State law, not ok under City Code. However, due to the massive numbers of people that participate in the World Naked Bike Ride, PPB chooses to ensure safety by closing streets rather than attempt to enforce the nudity law on hundreds or thousands of people. So in closing, ride away in the WNBR without fear of arrest, but please wear a helmet. Pete Sergeant Peter Simpson Portland Police Bureau Office of Public Information Crime Stoppers Coordinator 1111 SW 2nd Avenue, Room 1526 Portland, Oregon 97204" Clarifying further: "We look to our City Attorney for protest/1st Amendment related "speech" issues, which can include nudity. If there is specific case law, we get made aware of its impact to how we would police. But, just because someone claims "free speech" doesn't mean they can't be arrested (see airport naked dude). It would be an issue for the court to consider. Make sense?"

    172. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by bkcallahan · · Score: 1

      I'm pondering organizing a protest at the airport, with 40+ people willing to do the same, willing to be arrested, and willing to fight it in court on protected speech grounds. Anyone in?

    173. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by cupcakewalk · · Score: 2

      I *am* a regular reader of slashdot. Nudity is protected speech in Oregon. It's in the state law. As long as it's not sexual, I can be naked, especially as a form of protest. I work in high tech, and co-workers and on up the ladder have expressed only support and heart-felt concern for my well-being. There's a legal defense fund being set up by friends, though it's not clear it will be necessary. My dad's in his mid-70s. He's how he is. His heart is in the right place. My family's been great. - My general response in reading the thread at a count of 410. *Disorderly conduct charges have already been dropped. *Being naked has nothing to do with sexually harassing anyone. There was nothing sexy or arousing about what I did. My intent was protest, and was in no way sexual. *I believe I would not have been arrested if I had put my clothes back on. *According the the Port Authority in Portland, local laws apply at the airport. -John Brennan

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    174. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by randyleepublic · · Score: 1

      Except that Christianity is precisely where the blame belongs for citizens of the United States. Disingenuous twit.

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    175. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by DrVomact · · Score: 1

      apostrophe is not needed. Nazi is already plural. Remember it's one nazus, two or more nazi

      I guess that makes you a grammar nazus.

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    176. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by shentino · · Score: 1

      Newsflash, numb nuts.

      Unless you're in a protected class that would cause rejection to constitute a civil rights violation (sex, race, religion, etc), people can refuse to hire you for any fucking reason they see fit, even if that reason has nothing to do with the job you're applying for. It's called "at will employment".

      Hell, I could refuse to hire you because you're a harry potter fan and I'm a mormon. Or if your son has blue hair. Or if you voted for obama, or even if you happen to be a vegetarian. Or maybe I just flat out hate your guts and wanna be a jerk by making sure you don't get a job with me. I don't even NEED a reason, it's MY fucking company whose bank account your paycheck would come out of, so don't be all high and mighty thinking I owe you a god-damned thing. I'll hire whoever I please. I am the boss.

      Yes this is a dramatization, but it's also the cold hard truth of how the world of employment works. Politics and the whims of whoever is in charge matter a hell of a lot more than how good you'd actually be at the job.

      Btw, it's a good thing you posted as AC or quite a few bosses would love to add you to their personal HR blacklists for being a litigious applicant. People don't like being sued, even if they deserve it, and being sue-happy is one of the fastest ways to get ostracized.

      All of the above said, I would agree that it's not fair or proper to get shafted by the system.

    177. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by shentino · · Score: 1

      It's more like you'll be listed as a sex offender if the cops and da fucking feel like it.

    178. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by shentino · · Score: 1

      I thought all you had to do to get listed as a sex offender was to operate a whistleblower organization and embarrass the world's governments.

    179. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by shentino · · Score: 1

      Learn to bend over and submit to our government overlords and kiss their ass and obey their every whim, more like it.

      If cops can suppress politically inconvenient behavior just by projecting an authoritarian aura, we're not too far removed from the Gestapo and Shutzstaffel.

      Cops should keep the peace and apprehend valid criminals, nothing more.

    180. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Sabriel · · Score: 1

      However, my background check now shows my ID as having been part of an investigation into a child sex crime, because technically it was- the investigation revealed that there was not actually a crime. But you won't see this on the background check, what you'll see is just the flag showing the investigation.

      If we're supposed to be innocent until proven guilty, why is the government providing such one-sided background checks?

    181. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not just your day, brother. But your whole life. Not to mention the interference in your friends and families lives as a result.

    182. Re:hope it was worth the megan's law list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You couldn't very well have such a law if there were a blanket prohibition on nudity.

      But, there is a blanket prohibition on nudity. I mean, you just said they would have to sit on something like a towel...

  2. This man is a hero. by Bradmont · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This man is a hero.

    1. Re:This man is a hero. by sirdude · · Score: 1

      Seconded. A little ironic that "komonews" thought it important to censor Brennon's bottom.

    2. Re:This man is a hero. by condition-label-red · · Score: 5, Insightful

      One person choosing not to fly is a small statement.

      One person stripping naked in an airport makes a much bigger statement.

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    3. Re:This man is a hero. by nedlohs · · Score: 5, Informative

      Getting added to the sexual offenders list and potentially spending time in jail or even prison and paying a not insignificant fine seems like a greater sacrifice than lying to a wife.

    4. Re:This man is a hero. by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      Or possibly even walking into a hailstorm of bullets.

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    5. Re:This man is a hero. by k6mfw · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you want to be heroic... don't fly. No, I mean that truly... and if you have a travel job, well, get a different one. Sacrifice something meaningful.

      You don't need to take a bus? tell that to Rosa Parks. Back then "the law" made sense even though it was not right. Maybe this guy did something stupid, perhaps his actions illustrate a large problem to many others. Gutsiest move this guy did, like walking into a hailstorm of bullets and hope his sacrifice will be for the greater good.

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    6. Re:This man is a hero. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Or a small statement depending on the guy

    7. Re:This man is a hero. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What if you have parents that live overseas?

    8. Re:This man is a hero. by causality · · Score: 4, Insightful

      lying to a wife is, in fact, a dangerous thing to do

      Marrying a bitch is a dangerous thing to do (dangerous to one's own sanity). For men, not noticing she's a bitch because you can't look beyond her body, getting her to want you not because of your character (that she is not mature enough to admire) but because you "got game" (put her on a pedestal), that's what puts them in danger.

      But marrying a woman who is not a bitch? Then you can be honest with her and she can be honest with you. You don't need her approval for everything you do, nor does she need yours. Sort of like you may read a book I don't like or listen to music I find distasteful and you don't need me to sign off on it. For me this is normal. For some it's sadly "unrealistic".

      I notice most people do not relate honestly. They have little white lies and other ways to tiptoe around each other because each person never fully accepted who the other is prior to marriage.

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    9. Re:This man is a hero. by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      And I don't have mod points today.

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    10. Re:This man is a hero. by OzPeter · · Score: 1

      Gutsiest move this guy did, like walking into a hailstorm of bullets and hope his sacrifice will be for the greater good.

      I saw that movie! Clint Eastwood did a great job!

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    11. Re:This man is a hero. by geekoid · · Score: 0

      It's a huge statement when I do it~

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    12. Re:This man is a hero. by girlintraining · · Score: 0

      Umm, okay. Completely off topic, but okay. Doesn't mean it is not, in fact, dangerous .

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    13. Re:This man is a hero. by geekoid · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Marry a person you can be honest with. Whether or not they are a bitch is irrelevant. If you are honest, she will be a bitch on your side.

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    14. Re:This man is a hero. by girlintraining · · Score: 0

      One person stripping naked in an airport makes a much bigger statement.

      Yes, it's a statement alright. "Due to being a man of limited intelligence, I am unable to find a way to creatively protest this draconian organization that does not involve breaking public decency laws and exposing myself to other passengers, some of whom were children."

      Now if he'd chained himself to the scanner and started announcing to the world he was risking cancer to protest an immoral institution that gropes children and invades the privacy of others... that would send a message too, and it wouldn't have others reaching for the eye bleach in the process. Also, as a bonus... he would have shut down the machine he was protesting, which is the origin of the word sabotage, an ancient and time-honored protest technique.

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    15. Re:This man is a hero. by ZeroSumHappiness · · Score: 1

      Or want to interview across the country. What's that? Take 7 days off so that you can drive, all unpaid from your shitty job to get a chance at a better life in the land of opportunity? UNAMERICAN.

    16. Re:This man is a hero. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I notice a psychological symptom in your writing; now why are children so important to this debate?

    17. Re:This man is a hero. by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      This man is a hero.

      A hero is defined as someone who sacrifices for the greater good.

      Mmmkay.

      lying to his wife about his whereabouts

      That's heroic? I know dozens of men who do that all the time!

      If you want to be heroic... don't fly. No, I mean that truly... and if you have a travel job, well, get a different one. Sacrifice something meaningful.

      Um, didn't you just contradict your own definition?

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    18. Re:This man is a hero. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And protests happen almost everyday, and do you hear about it? Do you see it? Is there a story written about it?

      See the problem....

      Environmentalists, and other Interest Groups would kill (I think literally too -- but I don't much like them anyways) to get the general media to cover their stories/protests as well as this guy was covered, or, more appropriately, uncovered.... :)

    19. Re:This man is a hero. by forkfail · · Score: 1

      He's on the sex offender list now.

      I'd say he made a sacrifice of something significant and meaningful.

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    20. Re:This man is a hero. by Thing+1 · · Score: 1

      What I find odd is that our society has a hang-up over viewing members of our species' bodies unclothed. It really doesn't make sense; no other species has such an issue, and some do choose clothing (hermit crabs, etc).

      I like to think that he was committing two types of protests here, and is even more of a hero.

      There's a part of me that thinks that this behavior might be useful to the rulers: make us think we are "more robot, less nature" and we can be more easily led to kill. But, perhaps that's just analysis going overboard with the lizard fear reaction...

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    21. Re:This man is a hero. by couchslug · · Score: 1

      Get a prenup anyway.

      They CHANGE. Menopause has a large blast radius!

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    22. Re:This man is a hero. by causality · · Score: 1

      Umm, okay. Completely off topic, but okay. Doesn't mean it is not, in fact, dangerous .

      Everything is dangerous. Everything is in some way "entreprenurial".

      If you want security, you find that in some form of faith. You will not find that in the natural realm. You will not find that in social affairs. You will not find that in your personal ability, for that may fail.

      Real security is different from all of that. It's a form of bravery. It does not come from without. It comes from within.

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    23. Re:This man is a hero. by causality · · Score: 1

      Marry a person you can be honest with. Whether or not they are a bitch is irrelevant. If you are honest, she will be a bitch on your side.

      You will find zero or nearly zero overlap between these two groups: the number of women who are bitches, and the number of women who can respect, appreciate, and honor true honesty in a man.

      In fact there is zero overlap. You can play games with word definitions of "bitch" and toy with the numbers to make that a trivial, non-zero overlap, but then that would not be the result of reality but of you playing games.

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    24. Re:This man is a hero. by causality · · Score: 1

      Get a prenup anyway.

      They CHANGE. Menopause has a large blast radius!

      Ideally you change and challenge each other, in an amicable way. Failing that, you chose a partner who is unworthy of you or vice-versa (she because of her love of money, you because of her allure).

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    25. Re:This man is a hero. by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      How do you know whether or not hermit crabs have hang-ups over seeing each other shell-less?

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    26. Re:This man is a hero. by Thing+1 · · Score: 1

      Heh. I had some doubts about including that part, and here we are. :) I suppose I should have instead used different human tribes: climate forces various layer requirements. Tribes near the equator tend to wear less clothing, sometimes none; tribes closer to the poles tend to wear more clothing, and thus perhaps tend to have societal norms about wearing such clothing. (Not, perhaps, starting from prudishness, but for health -- "if you don't cover that up, you'll catch cold!" may have been the origin.)

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    27. Re:This man is a hero. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, driving a car is freedom and American. Flying has turned into totalitarianism and UNamerican.

  3. So, by I+Read+Good · · Score: 4, Funny

    what's my new hero's /. UID?

    1. Re:So, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and PayPal account. Least I can do is buy the guy a beer.

  4. Hmm.. by parkinglot777 · · Score: 2

    Some passengers covered their eyes as well as their children's and retreated from the sight.

    I just wanna know how many peek through the covered eyes?

    1. Re:Hmm.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Only in the US is a naked body considered unnatural. I've lived all over the world and have never seen the same level of prudish behavior with regards to nudity and sex.

    2. Re:Hmm.. by Jesus_666 · · Score: 1

      Well, the reactions would depend on how the guy looks. And most likely the sexual preferences of the onlookers.

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    3. Re:Hmm.. by Issarlk · · Score: 1

      We are all made in the image of Dog. Would you like to see God naked ? Of course not. you'd be terribly embarrassed for him and cover your eyes, and so are these people. It's perfectly normal.

    4. Re:Hmm.. by geminidomino · · Score: 3, Informative

      I've lived all over the world and have never seen the same level of prudish behavior with regards to nudity and sex.

      Clearly not ALL over. As I understand it, there are some ME countries that are worse.

      America: As long as the bar isn't lying on the ground, it's high enough for us!

       

    5. Re:Hmm.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've clearly never been to Korea or Singapore.

    6. Re:Hmm.. by Anomalyst · · Score: 1

      What could be objectionable about a crotch that is as smooth as GI Joe's and a belly without a navel. Not having to eat I assume he/she/it (given the aforementioned crotch configuration) would also be toothless, lacking the need to chew food.

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    7. Re:Hmm.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually I lived in South Korea for a year. They showed softcore porn on normal broadcast television, sometimes during the day.

    8. Re:Hmm.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      been to asia much?

  5. New signs: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Do not strip until told to strip."

    1. Re:New signs: by fearofcarpet · · Score: 1

      "Do not strip until told to strip."

      Ironically, you can be arrested for getting naked at the airport (even if it isn't really against the law in Oregon) and then strip searched just for being arrested... That's American Puritanical logic for you; nudity is shameful and wrong unless it's used to humiliate you.

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  6. At least he wasn't carring a bomb. by scharkalvin · · Score: 4, Funny

    Did the TSA do a body cavity search before they called the cops?

    1. Re:At least he wasn't carring a bomb. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did the TSA do a body cavity search before they called the cops?

      Now that the Supreme Court allows such a search for "minor" offenses, the TSA can defer that to the local cops

    2. Re:At least he wasn't carring a bomb. by shentino · · Score: 1

      If you're naked I'm sure that eating beans and cabbage qualifies you as a chemical weapon.

  7. Lessons from my cousin by crazyjj · · Score: 4, Funny

    I've got a cousin who loves to mess with people who mess with him. When telemarketers call, he tries to keep them on the line as long as possible, only to tell them at the end that he's not interested. When people try to push brochures or flyers on him, he grabs as many as he can carry, crumples them up in front of the sales drone, and throws them in the trash. He's quite clever and takes a great delight in his ingenuity (my favorite is when he goes off on telemarketers, yelling "I'm trying to masturbate here!!!").

    His answer to the TSA pat-down? He starts acting like he's getting off on it and then hits on the TSA agent (male or female) at the end of it.

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    1. Re:Lessons from my cousin by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 0

      His answer to the TSA pat-down? He starts acting like he's getting off on it and then hits on the TSA agent (male or female) at the end of it.

      Funny, I would have thought that the best way to mess with them would be to demand that they cite the law that gives them the authority to sexually abu^W^Wforcibly pat-down members of the public.

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    2. Re:Lessons from my cousin by crazyjj · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but where's the fun?

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    3. Re:Lessons from my cousin by forand · · Score: 1

      While I can see ones reason for taking their frustration out on the TSA agents, this type of response will likely have the opposite effect. The TSA agents are acting as directed. To affect change we need to work to change the laws and regulations.

    4. Re:Lessons from my cousin by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1

      I have a friend who is currently getting radiation treatment for his radiation therapy, and he told the officer that he'd prefer a pat-down the last time he flew. I told him next time to ask "Is it a problem that I have an erection?" Coincidentally, this guy is the only person I know who had a telemarketer hang up on him! He had the guy on the line for 15 minutes asking all sorts of questions.

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    5. Re:Lessons from my cousin by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1

      Should read "radiation treatment for pancreatic cancer".

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    6. Re:Lessons from my cousin by preaction · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Telemarketers are just doing their job. Tell them up-front "Please remove me from your list." and let them get on with it. This is another instance of "shoot the messenger."

      The people who get paid minimum wage to hand out flyers are also just doing their job. What happens when they go back to their boss and say "Some guy grabbed all my flyers and destroyed them." Think they're going to keep that job they desperately need?

      As for the TSA: Right on. That is the absolute correct response. Make them uncomfortable giving pat-downs, and maybe they'll put the pressure on the higher-ups.

    7. Re:Lessons from my cousin by Sebastopol · · Score: 1

      That's a fucking dickhead response by your cousin.

      Telemarketers are people struggling to find jobs, and telemarketing is bottom-rung job that pays when all other options don't pan out. Being an asshat to someone struggling, when all he needs to do is just hang up or say "not interested" and hang up, is rather puerile.

      TSA agents are doing their job. Being a dick to them and making their life suck (even more) just makes it worse for everyone.

      If you really don't like telemarketers or the TSA, protest the people that matter: the ones that hire them, or the onese that ignore do-not-call lists, or the ones that make the laws.

      But don't fuck with every day people trying to make ends meet by working a shitty job.

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    8. Re:Lessons from my cousin by Tanuki64 · · Score: 3, Informative

      The TSA agents are acting as directed.

      Yep, it is exactly what this guy said:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Eichmann
      He was hanged nervertheless.

    9. Re:Lessons from my cousin by Sperbels · · Score: 1

      To affect change we need to work to change the laws and regulations.

      And to raise awareness of the problem so that laws and regulations are changed, we need guys like this. Otherwise, politicians just don't care.

    10. Re:Lessons from my cousin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The TSA agents are uneducated goons with too much power. Petty actors in the security theater propped up by bad legislation and a badly run agency by the TSA
      Fuck 'em.
      Fire every single one of them. We'll be safer, the skies will be safer, and we'll put those tax dollars to something that can actually save lives.

    11. Re:Lessons from my cousin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny, I would have thought that the best way to mess with them would be to demand that they cite the law that gives them the authority to sexually abu^W^Wforcibly pat-down members of the public.

      And then what? They'd say something boneheaded like, "We have the authority to do this, sir. Either comply or we will arrest you."

      They're not paid to think critically about their jobs. They're not going to say, "Oh, gee, sir, I dunno, I'll just suspend screening procedures while we seek advice from our head counsel in Washington. Is there a convenient number where we can reach you or your attorney to follow up?"

      Even real cops don't know all of the laws all of the time.

    12. Re:Lessons from my cousin by Mordok-DestroyerOfWo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      When your job is to annoy me, you've crossed a line. I don't care what sob story you have, I make it a point to chew out every vendor cold-call and telemarketer that has the misfortune of dialing my number.

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    13. Re:Lessons from my cousin by Missing.Matter · · Score: 0

      I've got a cousin who loves to mess with people who mess with him.

      Wait... people doing their job trying to feed their families are now "messing" with you? Your cousin sounds like a colossal dick who goes out of his way to be nasty and rude to people. Don't frame his juvenile antics as somehow clever or inspired. He's just your run of the mill asshole, and you probably are too for looking up to him.

    14. Re:Lessons from my cousin by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      What happens when they go back to their boss and say "Some guy grabbed all my flyers and destroyed them." Think they're going to keep that job they desperately need?

      If he says that, he shouldn't keep his job. If he is smart enough to be employable, he'll say "I handed them all out. Every one of them". You think the boss is going to canvas the area he sent the guy to see how many people got one? And technically, he did hand them all out -- to one guy who destroyed them all.

    15. Re:Lessons from my cousin by Mordok-DestroyerOfWo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Wrong... If the only job you can get involves you screaming at the top of your lungs through my neighborhood that you're a pretty princess, that doesn't change the fact that you are an annoyance and need to stop. The feeble-minded twits that joined with the TSA need to know by any means necessary that they are perceived as bullies and their organization is an affront to everything that America ostensibly stands for.

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    16. Re:Lessons from my cousin by sjames · · Score: 1

      Why, so he can have the pleasure of being called "a little turbulence"?

    17. Re:Lessons from my cousin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People who are doing telemarketing because of financial difficulties should still quit that job and try something that's at least a bit ethically acceptable - like prostitution, for example.

    18. Re:Lessons from my cousin by RobertLTux · · Score: 4, Informative

      the best thing to have when dealing with Telemarketers (in the US) is a printed copy of 47CFR64.1200.

      in fact if they are any kind of smart they will hang up on you if they even think you are aware of the contents of
      " Title 47 - Telecommunication. CHAPTER I - FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION (CONTINUED). SUBCHAPTER B - COMMON CARRIER SERVICES (CONTINUED). PART 64 - MISCELLANEOUS RULES RELATING TO COMMON CARRIERS. Subpart L - Restrictions on Telemarketing, "

      and yes you can ask for 1 the person doing the calls name 2 the name of the business the call is on behalf of 3 a contact number for that business (and they are required to give correct answers)

      also btw you are allowed to record everything also (since any laws regarding recording drop out due to the telemarketers commonly recording things on their end)

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    19. Re:Lessons from my cousin by dargaud · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, when I was in the US (in my country telemarketing is illegal), I made it a point to try to get telemarketers to cry on the phone. I went along with something like: "You should have listened to your mother when she told you to study and you wouldn't be pissing off people for 4$ an hour now."

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    20. Re:Lessons from my cousin by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 4, Interesting

      TSA agents are doing their job. Being a dick to them and making their life suck (even more) just makes it worse for everyone.

      Maybe if enough people were "dicks" to the TSA, the agency would not be able to hire people for "enhanced pat-downs," or they would be forced to pay such high salaries that their budget would prevent them from running the program. The willingness of TSA employees to do what they are told is what makes the scope-n-grope program possible.

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    21. Re:Lessons from my cousin by sjames · · Score: 2

      All of the above have freely chosen to be public representatives of an obnoxious legal entity. They have all chosen to intrude upon others in exchange for a few bux (probably very few). Most often, any attempt to contact their employer will only result in a conversation with more peons who have also chosen to be public representatives of the same annoying entity.

      So, they're going to hear it from me.

    22. Re:Lessons from my cousin by ubermiester · · Score: 0

      Your cousin is a jackass. The people he is "protesting" to have nothing to do with the policies they are forced to implement. The TSA thing is different because it's a very public and extreme form of protest that will make the news 100%.

      Crumpling some poor sap's flyers in front of him is just a dick move. What does he hope to accomplish? Further humiliating someone that is already forced to give away flyers on the street for pennies per hour? Wasting a telemarketer's time while he's trying to earn a living doing extremely unsatisfying work (believe me i know from experience)?

      He's a prankster, not a protester.

    23. Re:Lessons from my cousin by CanHasDIY · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Telemarketers are people struggling to find jobs, and telemarketing is bottom-rung job that pays when all other options don't pan out...

      TSA agents are doing their job. Being a dick to them and making their life suck (even more) just makes it worse for everyone.

      Bullshit comparison:

      Telemarketers sit in call centers and try to sell you stuff; TSA agents finger-fuck your 6-year-old child in front of your face, then expect you to line up for your turn.

      There is a fucking universe of difference between the two.

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    24. Re:Lessons from my cousin by Hatta · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Telemarketers are just doing their job. Tell them up-front "Please remove me from your list." and let them get on with it

      No. The longer a telemarketer spends on the phone with someone, the fewer people he can harass. The fewer people he harasses, the less profitable the business model is. The less profitable the business model is, the less likely I will have to deal with telemarketers in the future.

      Don't be mad at me. Be mad at the people who run the economy for not providing honest work.

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    25. Re:Lessons from my cousin by Hatta · · Score: 2

      The people he is "protesting" to have nothing to do with the policies they are forced to implement.

      Last I checked, involuntary servitude was unconstitutional.

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    26. Re:Lessons from my cousin by geekoid · · Score: 1

      You're cousin isn't clever, he's a prick who doesn't have the ability to understand different people may be in different situation.
      He is possible a social path.

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    27. Re:Lessons from my cousin by ZeroSumHappiness · · Score: 2

      Even real cops don't know all of the laws all of the time.

      But if you peacefully request that they inform you what law you're violating there's a non-trivial chance they'll radio their sergeant to look it up for you.

    28. Re:Lessons from my cousin by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      But is this really going to raise awareness? To a great number of people, for right or wrong, he'll just look like a nutjob or a wise-ass. There could even be a little backlash. If people aren't already aware of the problems with the TSA, then I doubt this will make a difference.

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    29. Re:Lessons from my cousin by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Of course, he set up the camps, determined the best ways to find Jewish people, and was the conductor behind that particular maleficent orchestra.

      So that's may be why 'following orders' fell on deaf ears.

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    30. Re:Lessons from my cousin by geekoid · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There job is not to annoy you. Their job happens to annoy you.

      What kind of self centered prick doesn't realize that different things annoy different people?

      Well, at leas on your death bed you can thinking of all that time you told off a person barely eeking a living doing a crap job for less then min. wage.

      Well done.

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    31. Re:Lessons from my cousin by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      He should probably do what one of my buddies would do in college if we needed to sneak someone into the dining hall. My buddy would just walk past the person doing the checking who would immediately go running after him. The person chasing them would be yelling for him to stop but he would just run across the dining hall and out the first exit he came to. Granted doing this to the TSA would probably result in getting tazed into next week as well as the airport going into lock down for a few hours but a coordinated effort at a few airports would probably shutdown the air traffic system for the day.

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    32. Re:Lessons from my cousin by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 3, Funny

      I like telling them the person they are calling for died. Their script doesn't have a response for that.

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    33. Re:Lessons from my cousin by geekoid · · Score: 1, Interesting

      If you have to that far out to the extreme to make your point, you don't have on.

      But lets use you stupid inane example to work, shall we?

      There are laws against disturbing the peace. You can the authority and get it taken care of.

      Telemarketing isn't illegal. So put you number on the don not call list and use the law when someone violates it.
      Going after the person dialing from a list of member in front of him is worthless and mean. Going after the company the hires him and gives him the list is the way to handle it.

      TSA has a place. They've gone to far, but the certainly have a place.

      Please stop calling yourself the destroyer of woo until you learn how to argue. Those of us that actually fight for rational thought every day don't need assholes like you involved.

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    34. Re:Lessons from my cousin by geekoid · · Score: 2

      they don't finger fuck anyone, and you look like an ass for making it up. Stop It, You Are Not Helping.
      You are making people that need to be involved think people who are against are crazy assholes. You do not win support that way, and no matter how right you may be , without support nothing changes.

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    35. Re:Lessons from my cousin by Grygus · · Score: 1

      No simple answer is always right, and here yours is wrong. There are lawful orders, and unlawful orders. The TSA is receiving orders that, so far, have been determined to be lawful. Therefore, following them is in fact a legal justification. Eichmann's orders were plainly unlawful. The two scenarios are not equivalent.

    36. Re:Lessons from my cousin by ubermiester · · Score: 1

      You really don't understand economics do you. Do you honestly think that someone handing out flyers on the street has other stuff lined up but just thought it would be nice to be out in the fresh air?

      People don't do those jobs by choice, and one can most certainly make the case that they are effectively serfs. They take whatever they can get and live hand to mouth.

      Perhaps you've never struggled to find a job to the point of desperation. Good for you, but please show a little compassion for those who must do whatever they can to survive. They may represent a wealthy company, but they are not shareholders.

    37. Re:Lessons from my cousin by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      You have to be smart about it though. If you're given 500 flyers and you come back in half an hour and say "all done," a smart boss won't assume you actually handed out all those flyers. He'll assume that you just threw them all in the trash and did something else in the meantime.

    38. Re:Lessons from my cousin by z_gringo · · Score: 1

      social path?

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    39. Re:Lessons from my cousin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a nice story. I don't believe a word of it.

      Pat downs are always same sex.

    40. Re:Lessons from my cousin by Mordok-DestroyerOfWo · · Score: 1

      And precisely what place does the TSA have? Would their theoretical presence have stopped 9/11 - no. Have they managed to stop any of the would-be terrorists from getting on planes - no. They are security theater at best, and a bunch of thugs at worst. You claim to work for rational thought, but resort to ad hominem attacks at the first possible moment. People like you, who want to pussy-foot around and hide behind the law are as much of a problem as people like me. I may be proactive, but I do get results. I'm not going to dignify the rest of your grammatically nightmarish prattle with any more of a response.

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    41. Re:Lessons from my cousin by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      Being an asshat to someone struggling, when all he needs to do is just hang up or say "not interested" and hang up, is rather puerile.

      That is not all he needs to do. He needs to order the caller explicitely to remove this number from his list and do not call again. If the telemarketer doesn't do that and you get another call, at least it is now clearly illegal. Just saying "not interested" means the dick can mark you as a failed contact and you WILL be called again. And again. And since they use predictive dialers, you will often get hung up on as soon as you say "hello".

      TSA agents are doing their job.

      Oh goody, I get to invoke Godwin.

      If you really don't like telemarketers or the TSA, protest the people that matter: the ones that hire them, or the onese that ignore do-not-call lists, or the ones that make the laws.

      These actions are not mutually exclusive. I can harass the person who stoops to accepting a job breaking the law (by calling in defiance of the DNC list and explicit orders not to call again) AND complain to the FTC and the company that the dick claims he's working "on behalf of".

      I had a dick call yesterday claiming to be calling "on behalf of" CenturyLink. He said he wanted to do an account review. We got to the point where he claimed I had given him permission to access my account data, and I realized that if he really worked FOR CenturyLink he'd already have access. (I hadn't given him permission to do anything, he had done it because I agreed to allow "an account review", which doesn't say anything about allowing a third party access to my CL account data.) He steadfastly refused to tell me who he actually worked for, repeating "WE work on behalf of CenturyLink", and even admitting that that's what he was told to say. That kind of dick deserves everything he gets from the people he harasses on the phone. He knows he'd doing something shady because he's being told to lie to people. He knows who pays him, and it isnt' CenturyLink. (This was all after he wanted to "save [me] money" by selling me a new package of features that included the one thing I did have but would cost $10 per month more. When a telemarketer lies he loses all protections normally afforded to other humans, IMNSHO.)

    42. Re:Lessons from my cousin by Sperbels · · Score: 2

      But is this really going to raise awareness?

      It depends how he's portrayed in the news media. When the headline says: Man protests TSA by stripping naked. That doesn't sounds like he's a nutjob. And judging by what I'm reading on the MSNBC forums, it sounds like people are defending him there just as they are here. So yes, it is raising awareness.

    43. Re:Lessons from my cousin by Tom · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Telemarketers are just doing their job.

      So are soldiers, TSA agents or, for that matter, suicide bombers. It doesn't make it better. Unless they are slaves or otherwise forced, they made a choice to do that job. It might've been a hard choice, bills to pay and all, but a choice nevertheless.

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    44. Re:Lessons from my cousin by Ambvai · · Score: 1

      I recall reading an article regarding AT&T about that. The person called to cancel their deceased mother's phone plan and the rep was like, "Um. I'm sorry, but I have to go through this speech anyways..."

    45. Re:Lessons from my cousin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > they don't finger fuck anyone
      How do you know they don't? Not adults for sure, but a 5 or 6 year old? How would the child even understand that the finger of the agent isn't supposed to press that firmly onto her underwear? How would the child complain except maybe by crying some, and how would this complain not be dismissed by the adults for being a normal reaction to being searched?
      There may be pedoes in the TSA, in fact I'd be surprised there aren't.

    46. Re:Lessons from my cousin by Obfuscant · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Eichmann's orders were plainly unlawful.

      They were plainly unethical, but were they plainly unlawful? They were judged to be unlawful by the victors of the war in a trial conducted by the victors under the laws imposed by the victors. Were they unlawful under the laws he was subject to at the time he did them? I don't know, I'm asking. And before you jump to answer, try to separate the "horrific" and "unethical" from the "legal" question.

      You say the TSA is operating under orders that are currently lawful. (Ethical is another question.) What happens tomorrow if a couple of new SCOTUS appointees decide the laws being carried out aren't valid? The laws change. Can you prosecute TSA agents for their acts, as Eichmann was for his? There's a tiny problem doing so -- the US Constitution prohibits ex-post-facto laws. You can't prosecute someone for doing something yesterday that wasn't illegal until today.

      The two scenarios are not equivalent.

      Two things don't have to be equivalent for there to be useful comparisons between them. Everyone, including myself, has at times used the "only following orders" example from WWII, but maybe it is useful to look at what exactly is happening.

    47. Re:Lessons from my cousin by mcgrew · · Score: 2

      If telemarketers couldn't get anyone to work for them they would be out of business. If you don't want to catch hell from the public, then get an HONEST job.

    48. Re:Lessons from my cousin by Tanuki64 · · Score: 1

      Eichmann's orders were plainly unlawful.

      Orders of people in power are always lawful. Up to the moment they lose power.

    49. Re:Lessons from my cousin by Ambvai · · Score: 1

      This also assumes they don't have somebody doing a spot check. Canvassers are pretty common in my area and I've been the guy to check up on things before. It's a surprisingly honest business, considering how easy it is to falsify. The only time I noticed somebody not pass out their stuff, they had called up my boss while I was doing my rounds and said that there was an emergency and they couldn't do it in time.

    50. Re:Lessons from my cousin by b4dc0d3r · · Score: 4, Informative

      I am on the do not call list, even though I'm also a cell phone. Guess what? Some people don't care.

      They use spoofed caller ID to tell me I can get a lower rate on a credit card. When I call back, I get either a voice mail box that is full, or the number is out of service. There is no way I've found to track these people down. The law is useless here.

      This kind of telemarketing *is* illegal, and I spend as much time taking their time as I can. No apologies from me. In fact, they use a pre-screener to answer the phone. If I sound interested, I get transferred to someone who handles the call. If I sound interested, but say anything other than a simple "yes", they hang up so I can't waste their time.

      They have figured out that people waste their time, and have a way to work around it. But they keep calling me - I don't get it. So far my record is 15 minutes of waffling.

    51. Re:Lessons from my cousin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wasting a telemarketer's time while he's trying to earn a living doing extremely unsatisfying work (believe me i know from experience)?

      Yea, I tried that job as well. I quit within the first hour when they wanted me to violate at least three laws regarding telemarketing. They had three workers they paid under the table in order to avoid garnishment for child support. Every regulation in the book was regularly ignored, and the records intentionally lost, damaged, or simply not kept.
      This was not unique to my experience, I've seen it at many such places and had shady friends who worked them all. Even the more-legit ones do everything they can to swindle the people being called.

      All the people who work at those places know damn well they are guilty of being a fucking parasite. Some simply don't care, they're just assholes like that. Others do care, but rationalize their actions so they can deal with the guilt. The decent ones quit the job as soon as they realize how fucking dirty it really is, and find some other kind of work.

      And yes, he's the guy who gets removed from the lists by the workers who actually want to get good metric scores. But most of them instead of removing him from the list, are hanging up and adding him to a dozen more just to be pricks to him. Hey, it's not like they actually delivered proper callerID. They also refused to tell you their name, phone number, business name, or address, so good luck trying to find them. Trace the phone records after you get a lawyer and a subpoena, you'll find the number used to be registered to a now-defunct shell company created with bogus credentials and addresses.

      Telemarketing is a scam, always has and always will be. If you do it, you're a low-life scammer, end of story.

    52. Re:Lessons from my cousin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Congratulations on not saying "hung".

    53. Re:Lessons from my cousin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good lord, I've never seen so many comments from people who apparently like telemarketers. Guest that explains why they still exist.

      No, telemarketing isn't illegal, but neither is me wasting their time on the phone for a sale I know they aren't going to get. They called me, so if I decide to have some fun at their expense, that's their problem. I've tried just asking telemarketers to take my number off of their list and, the vast majority of the time, they go into "hard sell" mode and try to hold me on the phone and change my mind. Since they want to waste my time, I just return the favor.

    54. Re:Lessons from my cousin by CanHasDIY · · Score: 0

      they don't finger fuck anyone, and you look like an ass for making it up. Stop It, You Are Not Helping. You are making people that need to be involved think people who are against are crazy assholes. You do not win support that way, and no matter how right you may be , without support nothing changes.

      You, sir, obviously do not follow politics: Politicians make outrageous, nonsensical statements daily, and their constituents eat that shit up, no questions asked. Therefore, your implication that my pointing out how TSA agents are legalized pedophiles (which, BTW, is not made up) somehow damages efforts to reign their child-molesting asses in, is, in essence, complete and utter bullshit.

      If anything, Asshole apologists such as yourself are the real danger here - everyone play nice, don't yell, don't make a fuss... just think of unicorn farts and rainbow burgers while the nice government agents rape your children.

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    55. Re:Lessons from my cousin by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      No, people who take jobs as human shields and then complain that they get an arrow or two are the dicks. This includes telemarketers, collection agency thugs, receptionists for disreputable businesses, and anyone else who is acting as the mouthpiece for unscrupulous businesses.

    56. Re:Lessons from my cousin by Hatta · · Score: 1

      I understand it just fine. I'm suggesting that maybe they could find something more productive to do, such as firebomb the offices of the bankers and politicians that wrecked the economy.

      If more people turned to terrorism against the powerful, instead of harassing their neighbors, we might be able to do something about the power structure of our society.

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    57. Re:Lessons from my cousin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's also amusing to start trying to sell them something. If you do it right, you turn the conversation around and they hang up on you because they don't know what to do.

    58. Re:Lessons from my cousin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      quote - Telemarketers sit in call centers and try to sell you stuff; TSA agents finger-fuck your 6-year-old child in front of your face, then expect you to line up for your turn.

      Citation please.

    59. Re:Lessons from my cousin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The are "required", you mean. What are you going to do if they refuse? sue a company that wont name itself and drop ships from a PO BOX?

    60. Re:Lessons from my cousin by omnichad · · Score: 4, Funny

      I actually did this once as a teenager. I told her that my dad died last week from a heart attack. They briefly apologized and then asked if I was now in charge of the long distance bill.

    61. Re:Lessons from my cousin by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 1

      Then you're an asshat. Plain and simple.

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    62. Re:Lessons from my cousin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I work in a call center and I have a PhD you insensitive clod!

    63. Re:Lessons from my cousin by TehZorroness · · Score: 2

      And it's really funny when the bookworm at HQ goes to look up the law that the cop is so sure exists, but can't seem to find it, while you're out on the side of the road and you have all sorts of apparently damning paraphernalia laid out on the trunk of your car. Cops hate it when you know more about the law then they do.

    64. Re:Lessons from my cousin by tqk · · Score: 1

      If more people turned to terrorism against the powerful, instead of harassing their neighbors, we might be able to do something about the power structure of our society.

      Are you volunteering to show us how it's done? Pics or it didn't happen.

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    65. Re:Lessons from my cousin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Both are unsolicited intrusions. I think the only qualitative difference that puts telemarketers in a better moral category than the TSA is that with telemarketers, you can dismiss them. Try avoiding the unwelcome violation of private property(ones own body) by the TSA. You try walking through an airport checkpoint and refuse their imposition; you will be manhandled and imprisoned in moments and if you resist, you may be shot dead. Try offering the service of an airport to willing customers that excludes TSA checkpoints; you will be fined, arrested, and again if you continue to resist, they will kill you.

      Telemarketers are annoying. TSA (and that which backs it) is evil.

    66. Re:Lessons from my cousin by forkfail · · Score: 1

      The unfortunate thing is that the telemarketing companies never provide you with anyone that you can talk to other than the marketeers. I do what you do - tell them not interested and to remove me from the list - but it annoys significantly that they get to intrude on me, but there's nothing I can really do about it, and no one at their end who I can force to listen to my complaints without being a jerk to a working stiff.

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    67. Re:Lessons from my cousin by forkfail · · Score: 1

      Problem is - there just isn't enough "honest work" to go around. Automation, consolidation - that WalMart cheapness comes at the expense of jobs.

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      Check your premises.
    68. Re:Lessons from my cousin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Telemarketers are just doing their job. Tell them up-front "Please remove me from your list." and let them get on with it

      No. Let them find an honest job, instead. It's not like being a telemarketer is a high-skills profession to begin with,

      Many telemarketing organizations are operating illegally to begin with. In fact, one well-known local business also runs big expensive color ads WITH A COP in them, while blatantly violating the do-not-call law. Several times a day for a single homeowner. Actually, if I'm not mistaken, the owner himself is ex-cop. And evidently has some clout at city hall considering how many people have complained about unwanted calls. So lots of luck getting them to "remove you from your list".

    69. Re:Lessons from my cousin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and an equally non-trivial chance that they're deem the mere act of asking the question - however it's delivered - as 'belligerance' and violently arrest you on the spot.

    70. Re:Lessons from my cousin by ubermiester · · Score: 1

      If more people turned to terrorism against the powerful, instead of harassing their neighbors, we might be able to do something about the power structure of our society.

      wow. ok, have fun with that...

    71. Re:Lessons from my cousin by CAPSLOCK2000 · · Score: 1

      There are always desperate people around. Hunger is a very strong motivational tool. It sucks that people screwed up, but being an ass about it is not going to change that retroactively.

    72. Re:Lessons from my cousin by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      The people he is "protesting" to have nothing to do with the policies they are forced to implement.

      Last I checked, involuntary servitude was unconstitutional.

      There are those with power, and those without power.
      Those without are "free" to choose between especially shitty jobs, or sitting out on the street and in lines at the soup kitchen. But of course that's not much of a choice, is it?

    73. Re:Lessons from my cousin by NeverSuchBefore · · Score: 1

      The TSA is receiving orders that, so far, have been determined to be lawful.

      People in power make the laws. Anything can be declared as "lawful."

    74. Re:Lessons from my cousin by NeverSuchBefore · · Score: 2

      TSA agents are doing their job. Being a dick to them and making their life suck (even more) just makes it worse for everyone.

      TSA agents at least are complicit in the act of violating our constitution rights. "I'm just doing my job" doesn't, to me, justify a single thing. I'm not going to defend them just because they wanted a job.

    75. Re:Lessons from my cousin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There job is not to annoy you. Their job happens to annoy you.

      Indeed. And they'll get no mercy from me.

      What kind of self centered prick doesn't realize that different things annoy different people?

      A straw man.

    76. Re:Lessons from my cousin by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      So much for my "yo dawg, I heard you like radiation..." joke!

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      "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

    77. Re:Lessons from my cousin by screwdriver · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, but I can't agree with you here. People still deserve to be treated as people regardless of their occupation. I usually just say "not interested" and immediately hang up as soon as I realize it's a telemarketer. Our economy sucks so fucking bad that otherwise good people will do almost anything to get a job that even barely pays the bills. They probably hate calling you just as much as you hate being called, but we live in a world where people with masters degrees are begging for jobs at McDonald's.

    78. Re:Lessons from my cousin by fearofcarpet · · Score: 1

      Maybe if enough people were "dicks" to the TSA, the agency would not be able to hire people for "enhanced pat-downs," or they would be forced to pay such high salaries that their budget would prevent them from running the program. The willingness of TSA employees to do what they are told is what makes the scope-n-grope program possible.

      Sure, but then they would hire immigrants to do it because "they do the jobs that Americans are unwilling to do." And because they work for less, there would be more of them; one TSA agent to fondle your junk, and another to grab your ass. You can't win.

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    79. Re:Lessons from my cousin by Dracophile · · Score: 1

      And how is "I know that doing this job is going to piss people off, but I choose nevertheless to do it" not the thinking of a selfish prick?

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    80. Re:Lessons from my cousin by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      Be mad at the people who run the economy for not providing honest work.

      - you run the economy.

      You make choices every day, what store are you voting for? What politician are you voting for? What job are you voting for?

      What about your own business, what industry and line of business are you voting for?

      The people who you believe 'run the economy' are only running it as you are voting for them one way or another.

    81. Re:Lessons from my cousin by Gravitron+5000 · · Score: 1

      I am on the do not call list, even though I'm also a cell phone. Guess what? Some people don't care.

      Dude. I care. It must be awful being a cell phone. You need a hug?

    82. Re:Lessons from my cousin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not useless, find out the owner of the number, call your telephone company, they have to respond to complaints. Then you can track down who the provider is of the phone number, and you can complain to them, rather than the company calling you. Their provider is more afraid of fines and lawsuits than the company since they're in the US. They have to act. I've done this before and I've shut down a SIP to PSTN trunk for some Indian company this way. These companies don't care because they're in other countries, but they start to care when their provider shuts them down.

    83. Re:Lessons from my cousin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      - you run the economy.

      No, most of the US are poor entitled socialists on welfare. They only consume, not produce. As such, they don't run the economy. They just ruin the economy.

      The only people who run the US economy are those who produce - that is, the corporations, who directly or indirectly own the means of production (most of which being factories in China), and also directly or indirectly own the US government through lobbies, campaign contributions, and other "gifts"

      You make choices every day

      As these corporations run the economy, none of the choices the rest of the people make matter.

      Those people do NOT have the power to change it. Power does not come from a vacuum. Power comes by production - making something valuable (that has power). And most of the people in the US do not produce enough of anything of value/power to threaten the corporations.

    84. Re:Lessons from my cousin by jahudabudy · · Score: 1

      Cool, so now all we have to do is militarily defeat the TSA (which I imagine means overthrowing the US government) and we can punish these agents for "following orders"? Because I'm pretty sure that if Germany had won, Eichmann would have had quite a different fate.

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    85. Re:Lessons from my cousin by jahudabudy · · Score: 1

      Telemarketers are just doing their job.

      I fail to understand how the fact that they are doing this for money, rather than kicks, makes it ok. If they were calling me up, annoying me and wasting my time, simply because that was a hobby of theirs, I doubt you would defend them. But because they aren't doing it just to annoy me, but rather doing it despite knowing it annoys me in order to get money, I should have a higher opinion of them? Mafia goons that break the knees of debtors are just doing their jobs, but I doubt that defense holds much sway with you. While you obviously feel that the difference in degree is important, I feel the fundamental lack of respect for me as a human being is the defining characteristic. If the only justification you have for your actions is "Nothing personal, I'm just doing my job" then you are admitting that you do not think of me as a person, just another aspect of your job. If you can't treat me as a person AND do your job, your job is indefensible.

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      ...sometimes, in order to hurt someone very badly, you have to tell that person terrible lies. - PA
    86. Re:Lessons from my cousin by rohan972 · · Score: 1

      I took a telemarketing job for a couple of months once. I live in a country with fairly comprehensive welfare, so I could have gone on the dole instead. I figured calling people up and asking for money in exchange for a product was less offensive than taking it from them by force via taxation. All the people I annoyed at least had the chance to say no. I think that is treating them as people, even if they never realize it.

      The product was holiday packages and I took my honeymoon on those same holiday packages. I genuinely believed I was offering a good deal. I would not have done it for a product I didn't think was good.

      Very few got angry, I tried to make them laugh. One call went something like this:
      Me: Hello, I'm rohan972 from [company name] (obviously I didn't really use my /. nick)
      Him: [immediate anger and raised voice, not buying]
      Me: Well do you have any friends who might be interested?
      Him: [even angrier] I wouldn't do that to my friends!
      Me: Well do you have any enemies you'd like to have rung up by telemarketers?
      At that point he burst into laughter and said goodbye. It didn't always work, but I tried my best to leave people feeling good at the end of the call.

      Only a minority of people got angry, I had no way of knowing who that would be before I made the call. Some people were happy and bought from us repeatedly. I always hoped to get the happy ones, I didn't choose what numbers to call or the temperament of the person at the end of the line.

    87. Re:Lessons from my cousin by rohan972 · · Score: 1

      The General rule is that an unconstitutional statute, though having the form and name of law is in reality no law, but is wholly void, and ineffective for any purpose; since unconstitutionality dates from the time of it's enactment and not merely from the date of the decision so branding it. An unconstitutional law, in legal contemplation, is as inoperative as if it had never been passed.
      Apparently from Sixteenth American Jurisprudence, Second Edition http://constitution.org/uslaw/16amjur2nd.htm

    88. Re:Lessons from my cousin by jahudabudy · · Score: 1

      It sounds like you found your job morally defensible, in and of itself. Me, I don't think I've ever spoken to a telemarketer that I didn't get the impression they were trying to scam me. But maybe I'm just overly cynical. Anyway, my point wasn't so much that all telemarketers are scum, so much as the fact that they are "just doing their job" in no way indemnifies them from their actions. If they are one of the telemarketers perpetrating a scam on behalf of their company, the fact that they are doing it for a paycheck doesn't make it somehow okay.

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      ...sometimes, in order to hurt someone very badly, you have to tell that person terrible lies. - PA
    89. Re:Lessons from my cousin by DrVomact · · Score: 1

      While I can see ones reason for taking their frustration out on the TSA agents, this type of response will likely have the opposite effect. The TSA agents are acting as directed. To affect change we need to work to change the laws and regulations.

      "Acting as directed", huh? That's some sort of excuse? I prefer a direct bottom up approach (so to speak). All that is necessary to effect change is to make all these dumb jerks quit their jobs. You can't get to the policy-makers, and no political party is interested in changing Security Theater. But you can make a difference every time you go through the airport security checkpoint by letting them know just how you feel about them. We create change...one TSA grunt at a time.

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    90. Re:Lessons from my cousin by __aajqwr7439 · · Score: 1

      The life of a repo man is always intense.

    91. Re:Lessons from my cousin by shentino · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately he didn't have any beans.

    92. Re:Lessons from my cousin by shentino · · Score: 1

      Sounds like tragedy of the commons where looking out for yourself hurts everyone else.

      Telling them to piss off and not call you may well help you immensely even if it hurts others.

    93. Re:Lessons from my cousin by shentino · · Score: 1

      The TSA gets its power by holding the passenger's boarding privileges hostage after the ticket is already bought and paid for.

      Most fares are non refundable.

  8. Airport Security Nudity Day by nxcho · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Let us declare April 17 as Airport Security Nudity Day.

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    When asked why, the answer is almost always: "It's 2014".
    1. Re:Airport Security Nudity Day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...so that we have to wait a year from now to enact a protest on that day?

  9. If you have nothing to hide by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ,,then showing everything should not be illegal.

    The government should be told they can't have their cake and eat it to. Congress members should follow (birthday) suit. Unless of course, they have something to hide..

    1. Re:If you have nothing to hide by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      I would say that a nude member of congress is truly something obscene and to be on the same side they should always be censored.

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      Time to offend someone
    2. Re:If you have nothing to hide by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Congress members should follow (birthday) suit.

      8th Amendment violation.

      Forcing the general public to see Maxine Waters and Barney Frank naked is truly cruel and unusual punishment.

    3. Re:If you have nothing to hide by forkfail · · Score: 1

      You've got nothing to hide if you're not a criminal, but only criminals... now.... hide nothing.... *head explodes*

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      Check your premises.
  10. Enjoyment = Viagra + patdown by ciderbrew · · Score: 3, Funny

    Is there a law about taking Viagra and enjoying the patdown? Let the holiday start before take off. Not the best thing to do when wearing a Kilt I guess; but I don't claim this to be a wise idea.

    1. Re:Enjoyment = Viagra + patdown by Therlin · · Score: 3, Funny
    2. Re:Enjoyment = Viagra + patdown by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It doesn't automatically give you a boner. You would still have to find something arousing about the security pat down. Somebody's fetish, I guess.

    3. Re:Enjoyment = Viagra + patdown by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      best video ever!

    4. Re:Enjoyment = Viagra + patdown by Skinnybrown · · Score: 1

      Obligatory XKCD reference: http://xkcd.com/779/

  11. Awesome! by psyclone241 · · Score: 1

    The best part of the article is his father's statement! 'He does something with the Internet, which is just kind of mystical to me.' - LOL Something that 90% of those who know me, would say of me. Still amazes me how many people still see the internet as 'mystical'. As previously mentioned, this guy certainly has a slashdot profile, I'm sure of it!

    1. Re:Awesome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I find it amusing how his father assumes that since his job is "mystical" and involves computers and the Internet then it's absolutely not stressful at all.

  12. computer company in California by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    California and computer are screwing up people ;) Just kidding he is a hero.

  13. This man has a vision !!!! by martiniturbide · · Score: 2

    In fact if everybody stood naked on the line, the security check will be faster.

    1. Re:This man has a vision !!!! by apcullen · · Score: 1

      Hey... he had nothing to hide. Do you?

    2. Re:This man has a vision !!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You know, if one person, just one person does it they may think he's really sick and they won't take him. And if two people, two people do it, in harmony, they may think they're both faggots and they won't take either of them. And three people do it, three, can you imagine, three people walking in singing a bar of Alice's Restaurant and walking out. They may think it's an
      organization. And can you, can you imagine fifty people a day, I said fifty people a day walking in singing a bar of Alice's Restaurant and walking out. And friends they may thinks it's a movement.

      And that's what it is, the Alice's Restaurant Anti-Massacre Movement, and all you got to do to join is sing it the next time it come's around on the guitar.

      With feeling.

    3. Re:This man has a vision !!!! by denvergeek · · Score: 1

      That was horrible. If you want to end war and stuff you got to sing loud. I've been singing this song now for twenty five minutes. I could sing it for another twenty five minutes. I'm not proud... or tired.

    4. Re:This man has a vision !!!! by tekrat · · Score: 1

      Thank you both... you have restored my faith in Slashdot.

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    5. Re:This man has a vision !!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That was horrible. If you want to end war and stuff you got to sing loud. I've been singing this song now for twenty five minutes. I could sing it for another twenty five minutes. I'm not proud... or tired.

      Someone really needs to actually do this in time for Next Thanksgiving. The whole song, I mean. It's a song that's about a failure cascade of bureaucratic callousness and incompetence that takes place on Thanksgiving, one of the busiest travel days of the year.

      They need to get the names, titles, buzzwords, operating procedures right.

      I'll throw in a couple of paragraphs:

      The TSO said, "Kid, we found your name on a label at the bottom of a suitcase with a bottle conatining half a liter of water, and just wanted to know if you had any information about it." And I said, "Yes, sir, Transportation Security Officer Obie, I cannot tell a lie, I put that label on that bottle."

      After speaking to Obie for about four-to-five minutes we finally arrived at the truth of the matter and said that we had to go down and to secondary inspection by a lead TSO, and also had to go down and speak to his boss at the Supervisory TSO's station. So we picked up our red suitcase with the water bottle and nail clipper and other implements of construction and headed on toward secondary inspection..."

      Now friends there was only one or two things that Obie coulda done at the secondary inspection, and the first was he could have given us a medal for being so brave and honest at the counter, which wasn't very likely, and we didn't expect it, and the other thing was he could have made us dump out our water bottle and told us never to be seen bringin' water bottles around his station again, which is what we expected, but when we got to secondary inspection, there was a third possibility that we hadn't even counted upon, and we was both immediately arrested. Handcuffed. And I said "Obie, I don't think I can dump out the water bottle with these handcuffs on." He said, "Shut up, kid. Get in the back of the luggage cart..."

    6. Re:This man has a vision !!!! by tekrat · · Score: 1

      And the strip search after he's been arrested will progress more smoothly as well.

      Why is it that the authorities always want you naked, and then when you actually get naked, they charge you with a crime?

      blah.. blah.. lameness filter.. jibber jabber...

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      If telephones are outlawed, then only outlaws will have telephones.
    7. Re:This man has a vision !!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey... he had nothing to hide. Do you?

      Can't speak for anyone but myself, but I have very little to hide, which is, in and of itself, something to hide. My mental well being relies on it. Searches are a form of assault, mental and physical. They should need reasonable proof of crime to arrest someone before searching them or even in most cases asking for ID.

      IMNSHO the vast majority of searches conducted these days are unconstitutional as are the laws and rulings that allowed them. SCOTUS and the rest of the government seems to disagree unfortunately.

    8. Re:This man has a vision !!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      like you just landed on a cop

    9. Re:This man has a vision !!!! by tftp · · Score: 1

      Why is it that the authorities always want you naked, and then when you actually get naked, they charge you with a crime?

      The authorities don't want you naked. What they want you to be is obedient - even when obedience requires you to break customary norms of behavior. Being naked, or walking barefoot on top of generations of fungal diseases, or removing your belt, are just methods to break your self-esteem. When they are through with you, you will be glad that your lords and masters kindly permitted you to do your thing, this time. And you will not forget who are your lords and masters.

  14. now see here by nimbius · · Score: 3, Funny

    We here at the TSA has been doing a spectacular job of undermining airport security and making a mockery of government policy in the wake of 9/11. we certainly dont need the help of airline passengers to continue this legacy, especially if in this case it takes all the fun out of clandestine patdowns and secret naked pictures. Now gentlemen, if you'll excuse me, i believe theres an 8 year old girl and an incontinent 72 year old diabetic that need some 'enhanced screening'

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  15. And in a twist of irony.... by mark-t · · Score: 1

    ... now he probably won't be allowed to fly anywhere.

  16. Gowdin time by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The TSA agents are acting as directed.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_defense

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    1. Re:Gowdin time by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      Gowdin is in Iran...

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    2. Re:Gowdin time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_defense

      Godwin's Law posts get modded insightful now? When you didn't even understand the statement? There's a world of difference between genocide and a bunch of rentacops acting in the authority they were told they had. They're not "acting as directed" in the sense that they're "just following orders", but in the sense that "they're exercising the authority they were given", as arguably illegal and unconsitutional that might be.

    3. Re:Gowdin time by Grygus · · Score: 1

      Sure, but the post you are replying to is still correct. Notice how those trials and judgments are after the fact? During the events "following orders" was reality. You can try to hide from it, you can wish it weren't true, but that's how the world works. Look at your own post; rather than reason it out, you appealed to the authority of the court, via the authority of Wikipedia. The TSA agent is appealing to the authority of his trainers and supervisors. You're actually using the same processes to justify your stances. Who's right and who's wrong is not the question; the question is who has the power to make their rationalized position dominant? While you're in the situation, keeping this in mind will keep you from losing arguments. In an academic setting like a courtroom, yes you can reach sensible conclusions. But in an airport? Their way is the right way, because they have all the power there; if you don't like it then you have to change their source of authority.

    4. Re:Gowdin time by jamstar7 · · Score: 1

      The TSA agent is appealing to the authority of his trainers and supervisors.

      These morons get training? What, to not piss on their hands or something? We're dealing with the 'not the brightest crayons in the box' types here, otherwise they'd have real jobs.

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    5. Re:Gowdin time by idontgno · · Score: 2

      Sure, but the post you are replying to is still correct. Notice how those trials and judgments are after the fact? During the events "following orders" was reality. You can try to hide from it, you can wish it weren't true, but that's how the world works.

      Hold it. Are you saying stuff like this is "right, initially". And only become wrong after the fact?

      I've seen this before.

      And that, friends and neighbors, is the real takeaway. The world is run by PHBs. And the winning PHBs can rewrite history as easily as they can rewrite rules. So yeah, in disgusting truth, "objectively wrong" stuff really does become wrong only after the fact.

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  17. Father's Response by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

    The father's response bugged me a bit:

    "This is quite a shock. He hasn't been under any stress that I know of. He's never really under any stress. He works for a computer company in California. He does something with the Internet, which is just kind of mystical to me."

    People who are under stress will often suppress it and put on a happy face to everyone around. This isn't a healthy way of dealing with it, of course, and the person is likely to snap at some point.

    And also, the Internet is mystical??!!! "For my next trick, I shall conjure up Google's homepage!" *awaits oohs and aaahs from the crowd*

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    1. Re:Father's Response by smooth+wombat · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And also, the Internet is mystical??!!!

      Yes, it is. Just because you or I grew up with the Net and have a good (if not spectacular) understanding of how it works, does not mean everyone, particularly those of my, or his, parents age understand it. To them it is mystical.

      Put another way, when the "lost" tribe of the Amazon sees a plane or helicopter, to them it's mystical. How does that big silver bird stay up there without flapping its wings?

      You and I know how it works, but they don't. They haven't grown up in the trappings of modern society. The same with this guys father. He didn't grow up with BBS, programming or anything else related to how modern telecommunications work.

      It's this attitude which ticks me off when dealing with (some) people in the IT world. To them, everything is ho hum and they condescend to those who don't grok whatever the subject is. I'm sure if someone came along and started talking about a subject which you know nothing about, or care to know about, and they started rattling off this and that, to you it would seem mystical because you have no frame of reference.

      It's one thing to make fun of people who, after repeatedly being told what to do or not do, still make the same computer mistake. It's quite another to go after people who admit they are ignorant of a subject. At least they're being honest about what they know and don't know.

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    2. Re:Father's Response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well said. People like Jason Levine do not appreciate that there are people all over the world of different ages, living in different environments, with different abilities, and different life experiences to his.

    3. Re:Father's Response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good point. Also, the father's statement could hamper a defense. A DA might drop the charges saying, "the guy was under stress". Chances are, they don't want to try this case. If it goes to court, I hope this is bigger than the Zimmerman sideshow.

  18. Don't try it at SFO or LAX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In California that is sexual harassment, and carries significant legal liability. (In California it doesn't matter if you work for a place or not, if you create a "hostile work environment" then you can get raked over the coals)

  19. Wear a tenchcoat and nothing else by CubicleZombie · · Score: 1

    That way, when you're naked, it's because they told you to take off the coat. How could you be charged with any crime when it was the TSA that forced you into it?

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    1. Re:Wear a tenchcoat and nothing else by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      Sounds like something Kevin Smith might be convinced to do.

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  20. Which is more likely to traumatise children by michelcolman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    1. Seeing a naked man
    2. Having their eyes covered up when a naked man is seen

    I would much prefer to have my child see a naked man (and explain to her why he's doing it) rather than giving her the message "a naked body is a bad thing, something awful is happening, this man is evil". The naked man wouldn't bother her in the least anyway. Why make it so?

    1. Re:Which is more likely to traumatise children by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Or:
      3. Getting a "pat down" from some stranger working as an airport security screener.

    2. Re:Which is more likely to traumatise children by 19thNervousBreakdown · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because their parents did it to them, and most people believe that morals are externally dictated instead of internally decided. It's not their fault; coming to that conclusion on your own is an exceptional thing. Parents should be telling their children at some point that deciding what's right and wrong is part of being an adult, but most parents' parents probably never told them that either.

      That doesn't make the whole thing any more right, but it's explainable.

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    3. Re:Which is more likely to traumatise children by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      people in their natural form must obviously be bad...... .. !?

    4. Re:Which is more likely to traumatise children by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Parents should be telling their children at some point that deciding what's right and wrong is part of being an adult

      There is no way that an adult "should" act. If someone thinks that an adult "should" act a certain way, that is simply an arbitrary standard invented by that person.

      Deciding what is right and wrong is something anyone can do, as it is a subjective matter.

  21. computer company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    to say that working in a computer company is not stressful is paradoxical, at the very least.

  22. Dear America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dear America. Pull that stick out of your ass. It was just a naked person.

  23. Fight Club by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 2

    "His name was John E. Brennon"
    "His name was John E. Brennon"
    "His name was John E. Brennon..."

  24. Jury Nullification by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    An arrest does not mean conviction. You make it sound like he's convicted already. I hope he asks for a jury trial and there is Jury Nullification.
    Easiest way to stop this nonsense at this point.

    1. Re:Jury Nullification by ZeroSumHappiness · · Score: 2

      Except that, of course, jury nullification only works if you get a clueful jury member who actually wants to do the right thing instead of believing the judge when he says: "Your only job is to determine if this man did or did not expose himself to the public in a public place."

    2. Re:Jury Nullification by Miamicanes · · Score: 4, Informative

      It also depends upon a jury member with background knowledge managing to make it through voir dire without getting disqualified as a juror, and the fact that he made it through not resulting in a mistrial.

      In real trials, your lawyer usually isn't *allowed* to reveal to the jury *why* you presumably might have been motivated to do something, if the prosecution can convince the judge that doing so might incite the jury to find you innocent because it approved of your reasons or what you did, as opposed to believing whether or not you did it (regardless of motive). That's part of the reason why most defendants end up accepting plea bargains or not taking the stand in their own defense. Their attorney realizes that the defendant won't actually be *allowed* to say anything in his defense, and taking the stand will just give the prosecution an excuse to flog their metaphorically-bound+gagged defendant even harder.

      That's why it's so suicidal to count upon "no jury would ever convict me" logic. 99 times out of 100, the jury will never be allowed to find out why they wouldn't otherwise be willing to convict you, and you won't be allowed to tell them. And if you do, you'll be sent back to square one and subjected to a new trial, and if you do it again, you'll start getting imprisoned for contempt each time you try. Few things suck more than being a juror on a case, witnessing a trial, quickly agreeing to what seems to be a straightforward 'guilty' verdict, walking out to the parking garage feeling warm & fuzzy about protecting democracy & freedom... then seeing on the news that you just destroyed someone's life by convicting him of a major crime for something that was an absurdly inflated charge initiated by something stupid and minor, pursued by a prosecutor whose only concern was keeping up his quota of convictions and having numbers to show he's "tough on crime".

    3. Re:Jury Nullification by chrismcb · · Score: 1

      In real trials, your lawyer usually isn't *allowed* to reveal to the jury *why* you presumably might have been motivated to do something

      Interesting, I'm not a lawyer. But Oregon's indecency law required the prosecutor to show your intent. So the prosecutor can show your motivation, but the defense can't?

    4. Re:Jury Nullification by randyleepublic · · Score: 1

      Can any lawyer explain how "motive" is a necessary component of a crime, and must be demonstrated by the prosecution, but yet "motive" is not allowed to be addressed by the defense?

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    5. Re:Jury Nullification by shentino · · Score: 1

      The trick then is to get acquitted so that double jeopardy will protect you.

  25. Asked to dress by Translation+Error · · Score: 1
    From the article:

    TSA screeners asked Brennan to put his clothes back on, but he refused. He was arrested without incident and taken to jail, held on $4,000 bail.

    After reading this, I have to wonder whether he would have been arrested if he'd gotten dressed when asked. Being able to flash the TSA but avoid jail if you just put your clothes back on when asked would have interesting/intriguing implications.

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  26. People doing their job... by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 2

    I bet there are plenty of criminals who feed their families with the money they make from their crimes. Yet somehow, that does not absolve them of responsibility for their actions. Why should the TSA workers, who are being paid to sexually assault members of the public, be treated any different? Nobody signs up to work for the TSA without knowing what that agency does.

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    1. Re:People doing their job... by Missing.Matter · · Score: 1

      Sexually harassing the TSA is not the correct response. It is the same thing they are doing, and I therefore have just as much contempt for you as I do for them.

    2. Re:People doing their job... by Kneo24 · · Score: 1

      But earlier you were defending them for "doing their job". You can't have it both ways.

    3. Re:People doing their job... by Missing.Matter · · Score: 1

      I don't have to like the job you're doing. Difference is I'll say "not interested" and move on with my life instead of harassing you and generally being a dick. Same reason I use alternate forms of travel like train or bus if I can avoid flying.

  27. boycott? by dittbub · · Score: 1

    why not protest this way; boycott air travel

    1. Re:boycott? by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 1

      That only invites the TSA to employ even worse tactics with trains, buses, and passenger ships, so that people will be scared back to flying.

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    2. Re:boycott? by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 5, Insightful

      why not protest this way; boycott air travel

      I'm boycotting air travel. Perhaps you've read about me online on seen me on the news.

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      I am not a crackpot.
    3. Re:boycott? by Grygus · · Score: 1

      Haven't flown since around 2002. I know others who have also stopped flying. I don't think the industry has noticed at all; I'm sure they blame any decline in profits or failure to meet projected profits on government regulation and taxes.

    4. Re:boycott? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > why not protest this way; boycott air travel

      Sure. There are all kinds of things you can do to protest TSA "security theater" as long as you don't mind not getting on a plane.

    5. Re:boycott? by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Normally I would support boycotting. However in this case, it isn't that the Airlines are loving the TSA.It is the government, the government has a much higher tolerance to a boycott then the airline companies. A drop in air travel means less demmand for TSA agents and more money they can put somewhere else. To the airline a boycott means less air travel, and less money made while keeping the same expenses as they have a very expensive fleet that they need to keep working.

      Now if you are boycotting for something the airlines are doing (such as charging for your bags) then you can do a more effective boycott by using companies that don't do this charge. And when the offending company figures out why there is a drop off in sales, then they will reverse some of the decisions.

      Boycotting isn't the same as a full protest. Boycotting is a way to make a point without you getting on the news. It is about not giving to an organization that you don't like, until they change.

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      If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
    6. Re:boycott? by Thing+1 · · Score: 1

      I'm with you; not traveling until the apparatus is gone. Unless it's to leave. And then I'll fly out of Canada.

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    7. Re:boycott? by kryten · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't this fall under "government regulation" ?

  28. This decade's Cindy Sheehan by tekrat · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Horrah for this man! We need to do EVERYTHING we can RIGHT NOW to defend and support his actions.

    For those of you that do not remember Cindy Sheehan, she was a lone war protester, who was ridiculed initially, by the media, by officials, and everyone else, but she bravely kept it up and turned the country around to questioning the war instead of just being "rah rah, go usa"

    This person now needs our support before he's thrown in jail and made to disappear. The media need to support him, NOT ridicule him, as I'm sure they will, assuming they cover this story AT ALL.

    We need to take the fight up and shed light on it, make the media question the TSA, and whether we're over-reaching in our response to 9/11.

    This dude has sacrificed himself for the rest of us. Don't let his sacrifice be in vain.

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    1. Re:This decade's Cindy Sheehan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am honouring his sacrifice right now with 1 minute of silent pantslessness.

  29. Didn't this guy know? by forkfail · · Score: 1

    Didn't this guy know that it's ok to touch, but not to look?

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  30. A Small Point by LifesABeach · · Score: 0

    Ya think TSA is starting to get the hint?

  31. Only place I know of by nilbog · · Score: 3, Informative

    This is the only place I know of where you can be forced to expose yourself naked to others, be forced by law to allow strangers to grope you, then get arrested for indecent exposure.

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  32. Precisely Why Sex Offender Lists Are Offensive by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

    It was inevitable, but it happened yet again: a law supposedly intended to "protect the children" does very little of that, and instead punishes people for life, often for relatively trivial things like this.

  33. Hey isn't that... by fragfoo · · Score: 1

    What is Bill Gates doing in the foreground of the picture dressed as a TSA officer?

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    1. Re:Hey isn't that... by Alex+Belits · · Score: 1

      Probably explores various ways of being a control freak.

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      Contrary to the popular belief, there indeed is no God.
  34. Oregon has no obscenity law,charges likely dropped by GoodNicksAreTaken · · Score: 4, Informative

    I don't know what juris-dick-ion is on penis at Portland International or airports in general but Oregon has no obscenity laws due to the way the Oregon constitution is written. Since the arrest was made by Portland police it seems to indicate that this falls under local laws. The Oregon constitution's free speech language is why Portland has naked runs and naked bike rides every year without arrests. See State of Oregon v. Henry Unless they have evidence of "attempting to arouse sexual desire" this appears to be clearly protected under free speech under the Oregon constitution.

    "Being naked in public in Portland is legal if it falls within the guidelines of ORS 163.465, which are included below. ORS 163.465. Public indecency
    (1) A person commits the crime of public indecency if while in, or in view of, a public place the person performs:
    (a) An act of sexual intercourse;
    (b) An act of deviate sexual intercourse; or
    (c) An act of exposing the genitals of the person with the intent of arousing the sexual desire of the person or another person."

  35. Getting it fixed by camperdave · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You guys aren't going to have this fixed by the time I fly into the States in July, are you?

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    1. Re:Getting it fixed by Nimey · · Score: 1

      I despair that we'll /ever/ have this fixed.

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      Hail Eris, full of mischief...

      E pluribus sanguinem
    2. Re:Getting it fixed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know exactly what you mean. It's shit like this that makes me not even want to visit the United States. When going from, say, Europe to Canada, I go out of my way, and am willing to pay extra, to avoid so much as a connection in any US airport. Screw the TSA, every last one of them.

  36. Re:Oregon has no obscenity law,charges likely drop by tekrat · · Score: 1

    EXCEPT, as has been pointed out by several other cases, when you're in the airport, you're no longer in part of the USA or any "State", so the "laws" under which the rest of the country operates under no longer apply.

    This airport may have its own obscenity laws which this person has violated. Of course, they may not, but it doesn't matter. People now are arrested all the time at airports, for any reason, without necessarily having violated any law.

    Hell, we've been holding people in jails for years and they've never even been charged with a CRIME.

    What USA do you think you're living in where you can quote a Oregon law and think that applies at an airport?

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  37. Re:How can a sane person be upset with the TSA? by tekrat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And what lame apologist excuse will you use when the TSA is groping people at bus terminals, train stations, cruise ship terminals, and even at random stops along the nation's highways?

    "If you don't like the TSA, never leave your house! That's what the internet is for!" Is that what you'll say?

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  38. All ugly people to the airport ! and strip ! :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll pay 20 bucks for the most ugly person to strip naked at the airport like this man did !

    A good use of ugly people !

    UGLY PEOPLE TO THE RESCUE !!!

    WE NEED YOU UGLY PEOPE !!!!!!!!! GO BE A HERO !!! YOU HAVE MY FULL SUPPORT !!!!

  39. Thought of that myself! by spaceyhackerlady · · Score: 1

    The same thing has occurred to me a number of times. "If they're that freaked about what I may or may not be carrying, I might as well take my clothes off and show them."

    No, I haven't done it.

    ...laura

  40. this explains it by Eponymous+Hero · · Score: 0

    Said Brennan's father, also John Brennan, when reached by KATU News Tuesday night: "This is quite a shock. He hasn't been under any stress that I know of. He's never really under any stress. He works for a computer company in California. He does something with the Internet, which is just kind of mystical to me. This is quite a surprise."

    Laughing My Fucking Ass Off

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  41. Hmm... by EchoRomeo · · Score: 0

    Everyone hates security until their plane gets hijacked. Then we would be reading about the lack of security.

    1. Re:Hmm... by Fned · · Score: 2

      Everyone hates "security" until their plane gets hijacked. Then the passengers gangstomp the hijackers to death, after which they still hate "security."

      FTFY.

    2. Re:Hmm... by EchoRomeo · · Score: 0

      Yea, that worked so well on Sept 11.

    3. Re:Hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, but I choose freedom over any amount of security, real or perceived (the TSA is the latter, because they *still* haven't caught a single terrorist).

      You could get gunned down by some random stranger, run over by a car or die in any number of ways at any time. Life is risk. Be a man and deal with it.

  42. Ha! In Canada you get off free by Dogbertius · · Score: 1

    http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Drunken+Abbotsford+wash+themselves+wash+without/6410075/story.html

    A few guys in a city not too far from Vancouver got off with a warning. In the US, you get stomped, arrested, thrown into a dozen different lists that make day-to-day life humiliating, unbearable, etc. Why do people in the US hate their own bodies so much?

  43. So they want to see what's under your clothes... by dbrossard · · Score: 1

    But they don't want to see you naked. Wuw..Huh?!

  44. Re:So they want to see what's under your clothes.. by forkfail · · Score: 1

    He robbed them of a chance to humiliate and control.

    It's not about seeing you naked, it's about them knowing that you don't want them to see you naked and publicly grope you, and being able to do it anyway.

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    Check your premises.
  45. Re:So they want to see what's under your clothes.. by c0lo · · Score: 1

    But they don't want to see you naked. Wuw..Huh?!

    This is too low of a tech, can't justify billions in the x-ray machines.

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  46. Nude Beach Airport by failedlogic · · Score: 1

    I sense a great opportunity for running the local airport from a nude beach.

  47. Here's a better article by brentrad · · Score: 1

    A more detailed article from the local Oregonian newspaper, with more details about exactly what happened (the TSA said he tested positive for explosives), some statements from John Brennan about why he did it, etc.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/04/northeast_portland_man_choses.html

  48. Worth a listen... Re:Lessons from my cousin by Fubari · · Score: 1
  49. Really? Did you check? Closely? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "they don't finger fuck anyone"

    How do you know? All I've seen is some touching under that area by a stranger. I, personally, have not looked close enough to say whether finger fucking were going on or not.

    Obviously, you have.

  50. Decline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some passengers (...) laughed and began snapping photos.

    TSA must be going soft, since they seem to allow now people taking photos around the security checks areas.

  51. His job (FTA) by dominious · · Score: 1

    Said Brennan's father, also John Brennan, when reached by KATU News Tuesday night: "This is quite a shock. He hasn't been under any stress that I know of. He's never really under any stress. He works for a computer company in California. He does something with the Internet, which is just kind of mystical to me. This is quite a surprise."

  52. Re:Oregon has no obscenity law,charges likely drop by asylumx · · Score: 2

    If that's the case, why would there not have been an arrest made in this case: http://kdvr.com/2012/04/10/woman-strips-naked-at-dia/

    She wasn't even protesting TSA, and it's not clear to anyone why she even stripped naked. If the airports have their own obscenity laws, they certainly aren't being applied anywhere close to evenly.

    In fact, that these events happened so recent to each other implies that if there is such a "law" inside the airports jurisdiction, they are selectively enforcing it with the man in Portland to suppress his freedom of expression.

  53. They ignored my name on the Do Not Call list. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I ignored their dignity.
    http://www.callhating.com/

  54. The terrorists are winning! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is just another adverse effect that trickled out of the establishment's reaction to terrorism. Meanwhile, the small fraction of the population that could be categorized as terrorists are sitting back laughing at (us) while we fumble-around in the folly we have created. Wake up, people! Don't let those arrogant few get to you!

  55. I think you are confusing "a hero" by DiEx-15 · · Score: 1

    ...for "an idiot".

    Hope his 15 seconds of fame was worth being on sex offender lists and No Fly lists for life.

  56. Put a loaded glock in each seat back, I say. by Occams · · Score: 1

    The idiocracy of the whole TSA thing is that they all missed the main lesson of 911. The day actually demonstrated that sometimes the passengers really do need to have weapons. That sad day could not have turned out any worse if everyone aboard each of the hijacked aircraft had been obliged to carry a loaded pistol. Put a loaded glock in each seat back, I say.

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  57. Re:How can a sane person be upset with the TSA? by shentino · · Score: 1

    Except going into someone's house doesn't require you to pay an arm and a leg for a plane ticket that you can't get a refund on if you don't like being strip searched.

    If I invited you into my house, charged admission, then bitched about your shoes and made you either take them off or leave, you'd be pissed at me too, and for a good reason.