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Apple Announces iPhone 5

Today Phil Schiller took to the stage at the Yerba Buena Center for the Arts in San Francisco, where he announced the long-expected iPhone 5. The casing is made entirely of glass and aluminum, and it's 7.6mm thick, which is 18% thinner than the iPhone 4S. It weighs in at 112 grams, which is 20% lighter than the 4S. Schiller confirmed that the iPhone 5 has a 4" display, with a resolution of 1136x640. It's a 16:9 aspect ratio. The screen is the same width as a 4S, but it's taller. To accommodate older apps, they either center the app or add black bars to make it look right. The new device also has LTE support. Tim Cook spoke earlier about the iPad, making some interesting claims: "Yes, we are in a post-PC world." He also claimed 68% tablet market share for the iPad, and says iPads account for 91% of tablet-based web traffic. The event is continuing, and we'll update this post as further announcements appear. A real-time liveblog is being quickly updated at Ars Technica. Update: 09/12 18:16 GMT by S : Further details below. Further details: for the iPhone 5, Apple also added support for HSPA+ and DC-HSDPA. The dynamic antenna is an improvement over the 4S, and can switch connections. In the U.S. LTE partners are AT&T, Verizon, and Sprint. On to processing: the iPhone 5 runs an A6 chip that's twice as fast as the A5, in addition to being 22% smaller. Rob Murray from EA got up on stage to show a racing game, claiming that the graphics "have been built to full console quality." Battery life for the phone will be roughly 8 hours for either 3G talk-time or browsing. Engadget has a feature-by-feature comparison to the 4S.

The new phone's camera has an 8-Megapixel sensor, with a resolution of 3264x2448. It includes a hybrid IR filter, an f/2.4 aperture, and a five element lens. And a sapphire crystal lens cover, for whatever that's worth. There's a new feature for taking panorama shots (claimed 'breakthrough software,' though similar software already appears on actual cameras), and new software for automatically sharing pictures.

Apple also detailed the new connector, dubbed 'Lightning.' It's entirely digital, and 80% smaller than the old connector. It can be plugged in in either direction. Apple has created a bunch of adapters to let old cables and hardware work with Lightning. They then spoke at length about iOS 6, which will run on the iPhone 5, and demonstrated their new Maps app, which includes turn-by-turn directions (also in 3D using a 'cinematic camera'). "Apple is betting heavily on Passbook and other features to give it a leg up in the competition over Google Android and the upcoming Windows Phone 8." Pre-orders for the iPhone 5 start on Friday, and the device will start shipping on September 21. iOS 6 will roll out on September 19.

Apple's Eddie Cue went on stage to discuss changes to iTunes and the iPod. iTunes has been redesigned to work better on the iPad, and, more importantly, iCloud integration has been built in. They've also made a 'mini-player,' which takes up much less screen real estate. The new iTunes will be available in late October. Changes are coming for iPods as well. The new iPod nano looks like a mini iPod Touch. It's 38% thinner than the previous model, but has a bigger, 2.5" multitouch display. It contains an FM tuner with DVR functionality, it has a Home button, and it uses the Lightning connector. The iPod Touch is now 6.1 mm thick and weighs 88 grams. It has a Lightning connector port too, in addition to the headphone jack. The screen is bigger; it's a 4" display, the same as the iPhone 5. It runs on a dual-core A5 processor that's twice as fast as the previous model. Graphics are claimed to be seven times faster. The battery allows for 40 hours of audio playback or 8 hours of video playback. The camera has been upgraded to a 5MP sensor. The iPod Touch comes in colors now. But not grape. Apple also took the wraps off what they call "EarPods." They're like earbuds, but they don't form a seal within the ear. They let air flow continue, and a tiny speaker directs the sound into the ear. The EarPods will come standard with the iPhone 5 and with the new revisions of the iPod Nano, and iPod Touch.

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  1. meh by LodCrappo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    whatever

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    1. Re:meh by jellomizer · · Score: 5, Funny

      If Jobs did the presentation it would be amazing.

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    2. Re:meh by ModernGeek · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't even want it. What's wrong with me?!

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    3. Re:meh by ackthpt · · Score: 2

      If Jobs did the presentation it would be amazing.

      I wonder if the lines outside Apple Stores will be as long in the Cook era as they were in the Jobs era. It looks like something people would be happy with.

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    4. Re:meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      3G worldphone, LTE, and decent battery life. This is actually impressive, though we've been waiting 2 years for it.

      If it let you out of the Apple sandbox if you wanted, then it would be the best smartphone by far. But that sandbox is a major detractor.

    5. Re:meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      "What's wrong with me?!"

      A lot of things. You go for functionality over fashion accessories. You go against the herd mentality by not letting others decide what's good for you. You are showing clear signs of a cognitive person and that's now allowed in the era where everybody is supposed to suck Steve Jobs' dick (even a dead one).

      This clearly makes you a sociopath. Ask any Apple fanboy.

    6. Re:meh by Moheeheeko · · Score: 5, Informative

      LTE = Incoming Samsung Lawsuit.

    7. Re:meh by fustakrakich · · Score: 2
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    8. Re:meh by kelemvor4 · · Score: 4, Funny

      If Jobs did the presentation it would be amazing.

      I'd definitely be amazed if I saw a dead guy give a presentation.

    9. Re:meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      If you are waiting for something for 2 years, and the competitors are already offering it, it's not impressive, but just about caching up with competition.

    10. Re:meh by desdinova+216 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      nothing.

    11. Re:meh by c · · Score: 5, Funny

      If Jobs did the presentation it would be amazing.

      I'd definitely be amazed if I saw a dead guy give a presentation.

      I've seen some where I'm almost sure the presenter was dead...

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    12. Re:meh by basscomm · · Score: 5, Funny

      LTE = Incoming Samsung Lawsuit.

      Wow, I totally had that initialism wrong.

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    13. Re:meh by Hatta · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Ladies and Gentlemen, Mesdames et Messieurs, Damen und Herren, from what was once an inarticulate mass of lifeless tissues, may I present a cultured, sophosticated, Man About Town..."

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    14. Re:meh by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Funny
      I have to disagree. If Jobs did the presentation it would be horrible. I'll give you a preview:

      "Mmmmm. Rawrrrrr. Brainssss."

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    15. Re:meh by morcego · · Score: 5, Funny

      If Jobs did the presentation it would be amazing.

      I'd definitely be amazed if I saw a dead guy give a presentation.

      I've seen some where I'm almost sure the presenter was dead...

      .. and several where I wish he was.

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    16. Re:meh by localman57 · · Score: 4, Funny

      If Jobs did the presentation it would be amazing.

      Oh, and one more thing....BRAAAAAINNNNNS!

    17. Re:meh by morcego · · Score: 4, Funny

      I don't even want it. What's wrong with me?!

      You are ugly, have poor fashion sense and I simply don't like you ...

      There, is that enough ? :)

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    18. Re:Meh by Hatta · · Score: 2

      Android fans usually try to respond by telling me that I don't really need a high-res display. This is a losing argument â" once you've seen the new iPad in action, low-resolution tablets look crude in comparison

      As far as I can tell, most people are happy with 1366x768 on a 15" screen. I know it's crap, you know it's crap, but most people could give a crap that it's crap. Giving people 2048x1536 on a 10" display is casting pearls before swine.

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    19. Re:meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But Android has 80% of the market, right? How is buying an iPhone "going with the herd"? Aren't you getting that backwards?

    20. Re:meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Don't you mean....

      Liiiiiverrrrs!

    21. Re:meh by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think a iZombie Jobs presentation would be awesome to watch. see him start chewing on tim cooks head as the crowd screams. if only there were an app for that.

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    22. Re:Meh by Uberbah · · Score: 3, Informative

      This is why Apple has been resorting to lawsuits

      Nevermind that Samsung also sued Apple. Nevermind that the iPhone was banned for two years in Korea.

      The Galaxy S III is competitive with even the iPhone 5 (though its app ecosystem may not be quite as good) and the Galaxy Note is far superior to the Apple phones.

      Fanboy tautologies that would be mocked if they were coming from Apple users.

      Why people can't just be happy that there is innovation and competition in the smartphone market....

    23. Re:Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The Asus Transformer Infinity has 1920x1200 on a 10" tablet. I seriously doubt that I could see a real difference between the Infinity and the iPad.

    24. Re:meh by whoever57 · · Score: 2, Informative

      If Jobs did the presentation it would be amazing.

      Here he is

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    25. Re:Meh by crizh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      " Nevermind that the iPhone was banned for two years in Korea."

      Holy shit, really?

      Citation?

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    26. Re:meh by highphilosopher · · Score: 2

      Agreed. Presentation done by dead guys generally are VERY impressive.

    27. Re:meh by shiftless · · Score: 2

      Whatever

    28. Re:meh by LeDopore · · Score: 2

      If Jobs did the presentation it would be amazing.

      On the contrary. If they reanimated Steve for this presentation, I would be very impressed.

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    29. Re:meh by s73v3r · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You go against the herd mentality

      Don't most Android fanboys like to talk up the fact that Android has far more marketshare than the iPhone now? So can you really say that you're going against a "herd mentality" by buying a product that has the marketshare lead?

    30. Re:Meh by Lluc · · Score: 3, Informative

      There is still no serious Android competitor to the new iPad, with its unparalleled 2048x1536 display.

      Did you hear about the 1920x1200 Amazon Fire HD for $299? It's 8.9" rather than 10", but it is still a very serious iPad competitor.

    31. Re:meh by samkass · · Score: 3, Informative

      3G worldphone, LTE, and decent battery life. This is actually impressive, though we've been waiting 2 years for it.

      If it let you out of the Apple sandbox if you wanted, then it would be the best smartphone by far. But that sandbox is a major detractor.

      Note just the 3G is worldphone. There will be separate iPhone 5 models for international LTE. From http://www.apple.com/iphone/specs.html there are 3 models:

      * GSM model A1428*: UMTS/HSPA+/DC-HSDPA (850, 900, 1900, 2100 MHz); GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz); LTE (Bands 4 and 17)
      * CDMA model A1429*: CDMA EV-DO Rev. A and Rev. B (800, 1900, 2100 MHz); UMTS/HSPA+/DC-HSDPA (850, 900, 1900, 2100 MHz); GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz); LTE (Bands 1, 3, 5, 13, 25)
      * GSM model A1429*: UMTS/HSPA+/DC-HSDPA (850, 900, 1900, 2100 MHz); GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz); LTE (Bands 1, 3, 5)

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    32. Re:Meh by WaZiX · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well the ASUS tranfromer Pad Infinity (on which I type this) has a 1920x1200 resolution. To be honest it is quite simply a brilliant tablet. For my use of it: with the dock, two SD slots (microSD on the tablet itself + SD on the dock), its USB port, Androids capability of using a mouse and citrix receiver it actually becomes a fully functional solution for working away from the office. I really wasn't expecting it but quite a few iPad owners were actually envious when I showed them what this device was capable and almost all of my colleagues which haven't yet bought a tablet are favoring the infinity over the iPad.

      The infinity + dock + citrix combination really is simply awesome for business travellers and in my case vastly superior to the iPad.

    33. Re:meh by nschubach · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Woooo!!!!" *waving arms running to one side of the stage*
      "Woooo!!!!" *waving arms running back to the other side of the stage*
      "Woooo!!!!" *waving arms running to middle of the stage*
      "Woooo!!!!" *standing at the podium drenched in sweat*

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    34. Re:meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      If Jobs did the presentation it would be amazing.

      I'd definitely be amazed if I saw a dead guy give a presentation.

      I've seen some where I'm almost sure the presenter was dead...

      .. and several where I wish he was.

      ... And even some where I wish I was.

    35. Re:meh by Matheus · · Score: 2

      Hey... they brought 2Pac back... they could bring Jobs back if they wanted to. The two of them could even rap together to announce the iPhone 6!

    36. Re:meh by wvmarle · · Score: 2

      Now that's an idea!

      clickety clickety

      (submitting to App Store)

      REJECTED

      Damn :-(

    37. Re:Meh by Cederic · · Score: 4, Informative

      You mean, other than the Asus screen being brighter and having better viewing angles?

    38. Re:meh by smash · · Score: 2

      Developers! Developers! Developers! /throw chair

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  2. Re:Looks nice so far by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    yes, when you only get one choice it's nice if it aligns somewhat with your preferences.

    don't know what those silly Android folks are thinking with making lots of different styles and shapes. how does anyone know what they are supposed to want?

  3. Oh yeah?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But but, Steve Jesus Jobs said "3.5 inch was the MOST PERFECT EVAAAR phone size"... and all you fanbois were falling over each other bashing Samsung and Android for large screen size. whatever happened to that????

    1. Re:Oh yeah?? by DickBreath · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Steve Jesus Jobs also one year said that nobody wanted multitasking on a phone. The crowd cheered.

      Next year, the iMessiah introduced multitasking on the iPhone. But it has sucky "badges" to annoy and interrupt you.

      Next year, the great prophet showed a new notification system with a notification bar at the top that could be pulled down to reveal a tray of notifications from various apps that wanted your attention. Wow, what magic will Apple think of next!

      In another year, I don't remember which one, Steve the great profit, er, um. . . I mean prophet, said that "7 inch tablets are dead on arrival". The crowd cheered.

      One great thing about the iPhone is perpetual continuous warranty coverage forever and ever. Amen. Warranty lasts until next year when next product is announced. Therefore the iFaithful have continuous coverage. (Unless you're a heretic!)

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    2. Re:Oh yeah?? by ifiwereasculptor · · Score: 2

      FOR YOUR SINS against uninteroperability!

    3. Re:Oh yeah?? by Auntie+Virus · · Score: 3, Funny

      But it has sucky "badges" to annoy and interrupt you.

      Badges? BADGES? We don't need no steenkin' badges!!

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    4. Re:Oh yeah?? by MikeBabcock · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Umm, it was made bigger just to be made bigger obviously, otherwise it wouldn't be bigger at all.

      Also, jeez, took them long enough to hit that 16:9 ratio for a device that brags about its media savvy.

      You know what's awesome? The look on an iPhone user's face when you hand them a Galaxy Nexus with its 4.7" screen and they suddenly realize that more screen real estate actually can fit in your hand and does look better.

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  4. post-PC world you can't code on ios and the scree by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    post-PC world you can't code on ios and the screen is to small to do big typing / excel type work.

  5. Re:Every time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    This. Slashdot stories are frequently months or even years after the event. Why the sudden urgency?

  6. Yawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    iPhone whatever...but will it blend?

  7. Apple can't use LTE by meridien · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Where are the lawyers from Samsung when you need them?

    1. Re:Apple can't use LTE by Idbar · · Score: 4, Informative

      And, I have had the "breakthrough" panorama capability in my Samsung Galaxy S for 2+ years already.

    2. Re:Apple can't use LTE by rasmusbr · · Score: 4, Funny

      Samsung jumped the gun with that one. Apple wisely waited for the key breakthrough, the one that makes the ocean look bluer and your kids look happier.

    3. Re:Apple can't use LTE by Nivag064 · · Score: 2

      Clearly this is a blatant copying of Apple's iPhone 5, not withstanding it was done more than a year earlier.

      You must realise that if people do things like Apple does, then it is a copy of Apple - regardless of their order in time.

      After all Apple is innovative, they thought of rounded corners, nobody else could have thought about that independently!

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  8. Re:Looks nice so far by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's simple really, iPhones are for skinny people who wear tight pants in order show off their junk. Droids are for IT fatboys who still wear cargo pants.

  9. Or even 1280x768 on the new BlackBerry by accessbob · · Score: 4, Funny

    I blame my Mac keyboard, it knows what I'm typing...

  10. Post-PC world? by theswimmingbird · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What kills me is that people are going to eat that shit up. They don't realize that they hold a PC in their hand which just so happens to have a phone app. My first computer had an AMD k6-2 300mhz processor (I'm 22, see UID), and I was astounded when I realized my OG Droid had double the compute power. It only took a decade for that to go from being the latest and greatest to being in the palm of your hand being used for fart apps. Tegra games already rival the current-gen consoles in terms of graphics.

    PCs aren't dead, they're better than they ever have been before.

    In other news, Steve Jobs shits his grave knowing his precious screens are used to display black bars.

    1. Re:Post-PC world? by Hatta · · Score: 3, Insightful

      PCs have always been general purpose computers. The iPhone is not.

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    2. Re:Post-PC world? by lexman098 · · Score: 3, Informative

      They don't realize that they hold a PC in their hand which just so happens to have a phone app.

      They don't want a PC in their hand. It's scary complicated.

    3. Re:Post-PC world? by dstyle5 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "think before you speak."

      Login before you post.

    4. Re:Post-PC world? by Hatta · · Score: 2

      If you have an iOS development account, it's a general purpose computer. If you don't, it's an appliance.

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    5. Re:Post-PC world? by Kjella · · Score: 2, Insightful

      To average users that's like arguing about a monolithic kernel or microkernel is best, they don't care. They want applications and the iPhone got apps for practically everything which in the public eye makes it a "general purpose" computer. Around here the perception is that Apple's walled garden is like being trapped in Gitmo, but to most people it's the size of the US - most people don't have or want a passport to go outside. Many of them don't mind putting it all on iCloud so Apple can store and sync it for them, they just don't want to manage their own systems. I'll just repeat that for the "you can pry my root password from my cold dead hands" crowd here at Slashdot, they don't want to. And in all honesty if I wasn't tech-savvy I'd probably pick Apple too over bugging friends, family, the neighborhood kid or geeksquad.

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    6. Re:Post-PC world? by StikyPad · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Uh, yes. It is. An iPhone is a general purpose computer in a handheld form factor.

      Keep in mind that a general-purpose computer is distinct from an ASIC (application-specific integrated controller), where the former is programmable and the latter is not (except when it is).

      But even beyond that, an iPhone bears all the hallmarks of a PC: a CPU, RAM, persistent storage, run dynamic modern OSes, and allow various input/output devices to be connected. In fact, general purpose computers are becoming so cheap and effective that they're showing up in more and more cases where ASICs may have been used in the past, because it costs a lot less to write software than to design and build an ASIC.

      The distinction between a "smart phone" and a PC is almost exclusively one of marketing.

    7. Re:Post-PC world? by StripedCow · · Score: 4, Insightful

      An iPhone is a general purpose computer

      Nope. With the artificial restrictions that Apple places on the device, it is certainly not general purpose.

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    8. Re:Post-PC world? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      the iPhone got apps for practically everything which in the public eye makes it a "general purpose" computer.

      Except anything Apple doesn't like, such as Flash, many emulators, BitTorrent, anything Jobs morally objected to like scantily dressed women, the desktop widgets that Android and Windows Phone users love, most quality open source software... They may not understand why, but most iPhone users I talked to seem to have realized that there is some stuff on other phones they just can't have.

      People are not as clueless as you think. They understand when they are restricted from, say, copying music off their phone onto someone else's PC or phone. Especially when their general purpose PC can do it, and their friends PC can do it.

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  11. An innovative 5th row of icons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    My T-Mobile G1 has 5 rows of icons. I expect Apple will sue HTC and win over this innovation that HTC obviously stole years ago.

    1. Re:An innovative 5th row of icons by blind+biker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I expect Apple will sue HTC and win

      In the US, they would.

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  12. remember when slashdot was good?! by Thud457 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Won't wirelessly stream video to my HDTV

    less storage than the Library of Congress

    Lame.

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    1. Re:remember when slashdot was good?! by Kupfernigk · · Score: 4, Funny
      • No NFC
      • Smaller screen than the competition
      • Yet another non-standard socket
      • Still requires the sacrifice of your firstborn
      • Less storage than a SAN

      Lame. But lots and lots of people will buy it.

      Still, Thorsten Heins at RIM is probably breathing huge sighs of relief. I don't know what the CEO of Nokia does, as I've never really studied vampires.

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    2. Re:remember when slashdot was good?! by schlachter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Irony is that it CAN wirelessly stream video to your HDTV. Still funny though.

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    3. Re:remember when slashdot was good?! by semi-extrinsic · · Score: 2

      I know it's a joke, but Current gen iOS devices already do this with AppleTV or AirPlay enabled devices.

      Obligatory pedantism: he said HDTV, which means neither an AppleTV or an AirPlay enabled device. This is actually another thing that Apple does the proprietary way, no way they could just support DLNA like the rest of the electronics world. You have to buy yet another iDevice in order to stream content to your TV, which probably already has streaming support that you've payed for but can't use with Apple.

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    4. Re:remember when slashdot was good?! by snowraver1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      About the screen, they mentioned that older software will be letterboxed, but what about new software for older devices? One of the great things about the iphone was the unified ecosystem. This seems to fragment it a little more.

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    5. Re:remember when slashdot was good?! by dgatwood · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If the only difference is the size of a single view, the technique you describe might make sense. Usually, that isn't the case, though, so as a rule, manipulating view sizes in code is a bad way to design an iPad app.

      When adding iPad support to an app, you typically provide a separate NIB file (a file that describes the size, location, and resizing behavior of windows and views) for the larger screen size so that you don't do any view resizing in code at all. In that iPad-sized NIB file, you either make your views a different size or add additional views to take up the extra space (or, more commonly, both), depending on your needs.

      I have no idea which technique will be adopted by folks developing software for iPhone 5.

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    6. Re:remember when slashdot was good?! by Mike+Buddha · · Score: 4, Funny

      This seems to fragment it a little more.

      Don't you DARE talk about Apple and fragmentation, else ye be cast out of the land! There is NO Apple fragmentation. That be the realm of Android, so say we all!

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    7. Re:remember when slashdot was good?! by thoughtlover · · Score: 4, Informative

      Ok, dumb-dumb, you're mixing up NFC with RFID.

      No he's not. Disabling the NFC chip, if possible, is the second thing I'd do if I was forced to own a phone that had such functionality -first, I'd not buy one. RFID was a precursor to NFC. It's main benefit is two-way communications, not just one-way.

      NFC standards cover communications protocols and data exchange formats, and are based on existing radio-frequency identification (RFID) standards including ISO/IEC 14443 and FeliCa.[3] The standards include ISO/IEC 18092[4] and those defined by the NFC Forum, which was founded in 2004 by Nokia, Philips and Sony, and now has more than 160 members. The Forum also promotes NFC and certifies device compliance.[5]
      NFC builds upon RFID systems by allowing two-way communication between endpoints, where earlier systems such as contactless smart cards were one-way only.[6] Since unpowered NFC "tags" can also be read by NFC devices,[2] it is also capable of replacing earlier one-way applications.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_field_communication

      Besides, as we use these little computers (with cellphone functionality, attached), we can expect our information on them to be compromised through many vectors. If I were Apple, I'd have made sure that all personally identifying info (contacts list, notes, browser history, etc) on the iPhone was encrypted out of the box. No app could take data from any other app if they were secured with powerful encryption. I'm not a Luddite, but I'm at the point where I'm giving up my iPhone for a cheap Motorola clamshell. I just don't need all those 'bells and whistles', nor the headaches from losing my entire checking account to someone with a sniffer in a crowd... nor the poor service from AT&T, inconsistent billing, and their iPhone tax.

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    8. Re:remember when slashdot was good?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Obligatory pedantism

      Pedantry

    9. Re:remember when slashdot was good?! by afgam28 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Not too long ago, iPhone developers used to complain about how fragmented the Android market was. One iOS developer told me that it was much easier to develop for the Apple ecosystem because there was a standard resolution on all screens, but you never knew what an Android phone's screen would look like. Android developers had to worry about difficult concepts like density- and scale-indepdendent pixels, whereas Apple "made it easy for developers".

      Now, there are a multitude of iOS screen sizes: the original iPhone (and 3G/3GS), the retina iPhones, now the tall-screen iPhone 5, the iPad 1 and 2, the retina iPad and maybe soon the iPad mini. And because so many iOS developers have assumed the "standard" screen size, they have to resort to hacks like letterboxing old apps.

      I wonder if this factored in to the decision to maintain the horizontal screen width. If all iOS apps sported true resolution independence, would they have kept the same aspect ratio rather than going to 16:9?

    10. Re:remember when slashdot was good?! by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Little bit paranoid I think. Remotely transacting with NFC isn't practical. If you have a big enough signal to activate it you will everything in range and bugger up all kinds of other radios. When the response comes back it will be incredibly low power so you will need an amazing and very bulky receiver to catch it from more than a few centimetres away. Under ideal conditions.

      Maybe someone could brush past you and transact with the phone in your pocket. They would have to linger a moment for it to happen though. Even then the payment systems don't actually allow phone to phone or card to card transfers, only phone/card to merchant. So they need a merchant account, which means it will be traceable. And with your phone the charge appears on your phone bill and is paid at the end of the month, so you can contest it.

      People have been using NFC for all kinds of payments for years now in Japan and I'm sure elsewhere. Oyster in the UK is NFC, and I know Germany and France both use NFC for transport too. I don't recall a single instance of anyone ever being robbed by NFC scanner. It would be simpler to just steal the card/phone.

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  13. Re:Still not HD? by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Interesting

    For a company that wants to be seen as being on the leading edge they could have at least tried competing with the GS3.

    HD on a 4 inch screen is like expecting Klipsch loudspeaker performance from a pair of ear buds. Now I'm not saying everyone will have the same experience, but I'm already wearing reading glasses (began at the ripe old age of 28) and am happy to be able to focus on anything within 2 feet, I'm not about to care about HD on a puny display.

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  14. Re:Still not HD? by gmuslera · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Thats why the rush of suing Samsung to ban their phone or whatever one that could put a shadow over their new one.

  15. Why the weird screen resolution? by JDG1980 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    1136x640? What kind of crack-smoking resolution is that? It's not any kind of standard and it isn't an integer multiple of the existing iPhone resolutions. I had expected it to be 1440x960 (3x the original iPhone resolution) so that they could keep using the existing Retina Display features, which use simple pixel doubling for noncompliant apps. But what are they going for with this?

    1. Re:Why the weird screen resolution? by amicusNYCL · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It sounds like they wanted to keep the same width and just make it taller until it got to 16:9.

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  16. Re:Something shiny! by khr · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's not going to change your life, get you laid

    You don't know my wife...

  17. Re: Where are the lawyers from Samsung? by accessbob · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Filing papers in court I suspect.

  18. Re:Still not HD? by MozeeToby · · Score: 4, Informative

    To be fair, the GS3 was released only 3 months ago. I don't know if it would be possible for them to adjust their design in the time between the specs for GS3 being released and their production needing to start. Now not competing with the display on the Galaxy Nexus (also a full 720p display and released 9 months ago)... that's a bit harder to understand.

  19. Since when? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    For a company that wants to be seen as being on the leading edge they could have at least tried competing with the GS3.

    leading edge of what?

    Apple since their inception has been about bringing computing to the masses. It's been about making user interfaces more intuitive. It's also been about design.

    I have never ever seen anything from Apple where they wanted their products to be leading edge in technology.

    1. Re:Since when? by erice · · Score: 2

      They got rid of PS2, they killed off the floppy, they are pushing thunderbolt foward.

      That all seems pretty leading edge to me.

      PS2? Did Apple ever use PS2? Prior to the switch to USB with the iMac, Apple machines used ADB for keyboards and mice.

    2. Re:Since when? by Dracos · · Score: 5, Funny

      leading edge of what?

      Hype and reality distortion.

    3. Re:Since when? by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Computting to the masses what pot are the smoking when the set the price point then? OLPC is computting to the masses, a cheap dell is computting to the masses, $1000+ macbook is to the elite

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    4. Re:Since when? by Iniamyen · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Apple since their inception has been about bringing computing to the masses.

      Generally, bringing something to "the masses" includes lowering the price, not raising it. Oh, and having a larger market share than your competitor, not a smaller one.

  20. "Yes, we are in a post-PC world." by swan5566 · · Score: 2

    These sorts of statements are so over-the-top. No ipad is going to replace my desktop at work, nor my gaming laptop at home. Apple's success in the last decade has been in part by doubling-down on particular demographics, but notions like these seem to suggest that Apple's success might clouding their perception a tad.

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  21. Re:Still not HD? by 0123456 · · Score: 4, Funny

    What's the problem? You just attach a big magnifying glass in front of the screen, like 'Brazil'.

  22. Re:Remember CmdrTaco's story for the first iPhone? by sconeu · · Score: 5, Informative

    No, I don't remember that. Because it was CmdrTaco's story for the first iPod.

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  23. Same 640 pixel width by tepples · · Score: 5, Informative

    1136x640? What kind of crack-smoking resolution is that? It's not any kind of standard and it isn't an integer multiple of the existing iPhone resolutions.

    It's an exact 1x the 640 pixel width of the iPhone 4, iPhone 4S, and iPod touch 4. As I understand the summary, retina apps will look the same, just with borders on the top and bottom.

    1. Re:Same 640 pixel width by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Wow, letterboxing? Really? Really? Did Apple just never learn how to make an API for UI elements that doesn't suck? No, that's not right, Cocoa was fine; they must have just reinvented the wheel for iOS, poorly.

      Seriously, when I run an Android app on a device with a different screen resolution, it just works. It's almost as if they designed for the idea that not every device would have exactly the same screen! I wonder how they realized that so far in advance! How did nobody ever think of that befo... oh, wait, no, every damn UI design for the desktop has realized this since back when a "phone" was that thing tied to a jack on the wall with a length of copper cable.

    2. Re:Same 640 pixel width by tgibbs · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Apple's view is that an app should be hand-customized to support the resolution and screen size of the device, not shoehorned in by an automated scaling routine. So the last thing Apple wants to do is tell developers, "Don't worry, the API will fit your app onto the new display." What Apple's API will do is allow developers to check the screen size and take advantage of the extra screen space in a way that fully exploits it. Based on the way that Apple's development environment works, this should be pretty trivial for the vast majority of apps. And for those developers who don't care enough to bother, the app will look exactly the way it did before, down to the pixel.

    3. Re:Same 640 pixel width by jeti · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah. I miss the times when web pages were finely crafted for a specific resolution.

    4. Re:Same 640 pixel width by _xeno_ · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, iOS does support auto-resizing. Unfortunately:

      No, that's not right, Cocoa was fine; they must have just reinvented the wheel for iOS, poorly.

      No, Cocoa was not fine. The autoresizing system Cocoa uses sucks. iOS 5 supports it just fine, though, but it's nearly useless. And support is there by default, as there are still a few times when the view size changes in iOS and you need to rely on Cocoa Touch's autoresize:

      1. Landscape versus Portrait. The view will autoresize by default. Unfortunately, autoresize is so bad at what it does, that I wound up overriding it and just manually setting the bounding boxes of the widgets on screen. I expect most apps do that because the autoresize support is so awful. (Apparently this is the reason why, until iOS 4 or something, Xcode's default template for iOS apps disabled the portrait mode entirely.)

      2. The view shrinks because you're in a call. When in a call, the status bar doubles in size and your app loses several pixels off the top. (I think it's 22 in retinal, but whatever, you get the idea.) This is something that just about no app bothers testing for, despite the iOS simulator including explicit support for testing. But it's another thing autoresizing is supposed to deal with.

      Fortunately, another AC responder indicates that they're adding a new "constraint based" system for iOS 6. Sadly, having also written a Cocoa app that used the new support for that, this is almost certainly going to be even worse. It's call "auto layout" and there are some 200,000 Google results on how to disable the damned thing.

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    5. Re:Same 640 pixel width by maccodemonkey · · Score: 5, Informative

      Wow, letterboxing? Really? Really? Did Apple just never learn how to make an API for UI elements that doesn't suck? No, that's not right, Cocoa was fine; they must have just reinvented the wheel for iOS, poorly.

      There is an API. There are two actually, springs and struts and (as of iOS 6) autolayout. Exact same APIs that were on the Mac side.

      The problem is developers, unless they supported the iPad as well, tended to ignore these APIs meaning if Apple just starts resizing apps they'll probably break a lot of bad code. Or things like games that only planned on targeting the original resolution.

      So Apple played it safe and stuck apps compiled for iOS 5 into a legacy mode.

  24. Re:Something shiny! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Apple doesn't general do "firsts", but they are the king at "The first X that doesn't suck"

    The original iphone was criticized for not having 3g. At the time 3g was not widely available, and all of the 3g chips were power hogging monsters. All of the first 3g phones sucked.

    I've got a 4 and I'm pretty damn happy with it. The 5 looks like a pretty good evolutionary improvement and I might pick it up. (The 4s was not enough of an improvement for me to shell out the extra $)

    I've been seriously looking at a new andriod too. The S3 and the HTC X one are amazing devices with lots of great features.. But neither ship with andriod 4.1.
    That's the problem. Do I get an andriod with really cool bells and whistles? Or an iphone that has a slick, long term reliable end user experience that I'm used to. I know if I pick the 5 all of my apps, music, messages, mail, everything will carry over flawlessly. Just like with my 4.. And my 3g before it.. I've still got the same music library, apps, and email settings carried all the way from my original iphone and that's damn awesome.

  25. Meh by JDG1980 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The iPhone has been falling behind in the past year or so. Competitors now have better hardware and an equally good user experience. This is why Apple has been resorting to lawsuits: in the phone arena, they face the real prospect of losing serious market share to Samsung. The Galaxy S III is competitive with even the iPhone 5 (though its app ecosystem may not be quite as good) and the Galaxy Note is far superior to the Apple phones.

    On the tablet side of things, Apple is faring better. There is still no serious Android competitor to the new iPad, with its unparalleled 2048x1536 display. Android fans usually try to respond by telling me that I don't really need a high-res display. This is a losing argument – once you've seen the new iPad in action, low-resolution tablets look crude in comparison. It really makes a huge difference, especially when reading PDFs and web pages zoomed out. None of the competing 10" tablets come close to the iPad's market share. The smaller, cheaper tablets (Nexus 7, Kindle Fire) are indeed cutting into Apple's business, but they apparently have an iPad Mini prepped and ready to go to compete there. If rumors are accurate and it goes for $249 or so, then it's going to get a lot of purchases. On the other hand, it's hard to say how many will be taken from Google and Amazon, and how many will be cannibalized from sales of the full-size (and presumably more profitable) iPad.

    I'm hoping that Samsung's next Galaxy Note tablet will have a Retina-equivalent display. If they can do that and keep the price at $499 to open (like Apple did), then they will have a real competitor on their hands. I'd seriously consider buying one.

  26. Lightning by P-niiice · · Score: 2

    The connector is called Lightning. ahahaha. What's the headphone jack called when it gets an upgrade?

    1. Re:Lightning by medcalf · · Score: 5, Funny

      They have Thunderbolt and Lightning, so I'm going with "Very, Very Frightening"

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    2. Re:Lightning by fa2k · · Score: 2

      The nerve of releasing a digital only connector when the only good reason to use 30-pin over micro-USB was analogue audio out. If it has a better mechanical design than micro-USB I'll give them a pass, though (after having mine half destroyed after 2 years).

  27. Re:Something shiny! by onyxruby · · Score: 3, Funny

    I must concede your point. If your married and your spouse happens to like these shiny toys and you get them one, it just might get you get you laid after all.

  28. Obligatory TheOatmeal Reference by MatrixCubed · · Score: 5, Funny
  29. iPad traffic by j_snare · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "He also claimed 68% tablet market share for the iPad, and says iPads account for 91% of tablet-based web traffic"

    Was anyone else's first reaction to this statement "Wow, that sounds like iPads are inefficient."

    1. Re:iPad traffic by TheDan666 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, my thought was that people who bought tablets other than iPads don't end up using them because they suck. Hence, they account for less traffic then their purchases would indicate.

    2. Re:iPad traffic by Cinder6 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No. Mine was, "wow, iPad users must really like using their devices."

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    3. Re:iPad traffic by Nemyst · · Score: 4, Funny

      My first reaction was "Wow, iPad users watch a lot of porn."

  30. My word. by OldSport · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How can people get excited by this stuff? The original iPhone was amazing, but surely these 20% thinner/faster/smaller/wider/etc. incremental changes should not be causing the tech world to collectively cream in their pants.

    The Onion of course nails this phenomenon perfectly -- starting at 0:21. http://www.theonion.com/video/apple-unveils-muchanticipated-iphone-4se,29489/

    1. Re:My word. by OldSport · · Score: 4, Interesting

      And it's usually the iLovers who label anybody and everybody that levels the slightest bit of criticism at an Apple product an "iHater." Case in point: your reply, and the fact that my comment was modded down despite being a perfectly valid point.

      It cracks me up because I'm not an iHater at all. I still have my Mac Classic tucked away somewhere, and I've owned a Macbook and an iMac before my current MB Pro, as well as numerous iPods and an iPhone 3G. At the same time, I'm reasonable enough to see through the marketing noise and oohs and aahs and silvery shiny facade and say hey, this is really nothing new.

      But whatever -- lesson learned; you simply do NOT criticize Apple on Slashdot.

  31. Re:Something shiny! by hahn · · Score: 2

    Those of us who own shares of AAPL would disagree. Just sayin...

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  32. post pc my ass by LodCrappo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Yes, we are in a post-PC world."

    Who is "we"? Certainly it's not anyone who does work on a computer, or anyone who supports computers that people do work on, or anyone who creates things that people use to do work on a computer. Those poor clods are still stuck in the "PC runs damn near every aspect of business" world.

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  33. Fragmentation by DickBreath · · Score: 4, Insightful

    With all of these different versions of iOS and different versions of hardware, Apple is creating Fragmentation! (gasp!)

    What is Apple going to do about this?

    Why can't old apps dynamically adapt to the new screen size? The iPad has been out for how long now?

    Further evidence that this isn't your dad's Apple computer anymore. Back in the early days of Mac, Apple specifically told developers to not make assumptions about the hardware, screen size, processor speed, etc.

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    1. Re:Fragmentation by tooyoung · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But iPhones update to new versions of iOS. The only reason that somebody would have an old version of iOS is that for some weird reason they repeatedly tell the phone not to update. This isn't similar to the case with many Android vendors and carriers, where updates are actually being blocked (note, this is not Androids fault, it is the vendors and carriers).

      iOS6 is supported all the way back to the iPhone 3GS. How is this creating any fragmentation?

    2. Re:Fragmentation by jareth-0205 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      With all of these different versions of iOS and different versions of hardware, Apple is creating Fragmentation! (gasp!)
      What is Apple going to do about this?
      Why can't old apps dynamically adapt to the new screen size? The iPad has been out for how long now?

      Well they can't. The API doesn't give developers that capability. Other programming environments (ie, Android, Java, Windows... pretty much all of them) work with a layout system that doesn't guarantee exact positioning very well, but does work on different aspect ratios and densities automatically. iOS uses absolute positioning, so developers have to code specifically to each new screen (save for some special cases where they can get away with it, ie doubling of linear density).

    3. Re:Fragmentation by maccodemonkey · · Score: 5, Informative

      Well they can't. The API doesn't give developers that capability. Other programming environments (ie, Android, Java, Windows... pretty much all of them) work with a layout system that doesn't guarantee exact positioning very well, but does work on different aspect ratios and densities automatically. iOS uses absolute positioning, so developers have to code specifically to each new screen (save for some special cases where they can get away with it, ie doubling of linear density).

      iOS has supported dynamic positioning since iOS 2. Bad developers use absolute positioning, not iOS.
      http://developer.apple.com/library/ios/#documentation/UIKit/Reference/UIView_Class/UIView/UIView.html%23//apple_ref/occ/instp/UIView/autoresizingMask

      There have always been at least two screen sizes in iOS. Portrait and landscape. iPad adds two more.

      The "iOS doesn't support dynamic layout" thing is something I see thrown out by Android developers/supporters all the time, and it's just not true at all.

  34. Re:Rounded corners! Rectangular Design! by DickBreath · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The new iPhone looks suspiciously similar to a Samsung phone from years ago.

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  35. Re:Something shiny! by Nikker · · Score: 2

    What are you talking about I just pre ordered hers a minute ago.

    She says not to forget the milk....

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  36. Re:demographic? by cryptizard · · Score: 5, Informative

    Maybe that means that iPad users actually use their tablets and Android owners just leave it in a drawer? No way to know without further statistics so its stupid to draw conclusions.

  37. Re:Looks nice so far by MachDelta · · Score: 5, Funny

    Even better, they could combine the "SS" with the new "Lightning" connector, and shape the S's like lightning bolts! Think about how cool would that be! ... what?

  38. Re:Something shiny! by yacc143 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Well, in 3G might have sucked in the US, but it worked perfectly well here around.

    Well, my Nexus does have 4.1.1, no problems. It's a little bit on the small side (with only 4.65" and a little bit more pixel than the brand new iPhone 5), it works surprisingly well, I had the second battery pack and external charger picked up the same day I got it, ...

    And yes, personally the non-changeable (by the user) battery is a show stopper. I don't need it often, but I do manage to run the battery dry (especially if I was sloppy about keeping it charged up before leaving home), and fixed battery devices (that includes all iDevices but also many Android tablets) don't offer an answer to that.

    Having just run on such a fixed-battery device as primary device, I really felt myself getting paranoid about always having it hooked up to the charger, be it in the car, at home, in the train, and so on. (And despite progress in this relation, there are quite a bit of trains that still have no power outlets, now explain me how you plan to use your iPhone for entertainment on your next 18 hours trip across Europe, I mean you'll be sleeping perhaps 6-8 hours of this, but 10-12 hours usage is still hard). And yes, I've been reading ebooks on my mobile devices years before ebooks become mainstream.

  39. Re:Something shiny! by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The thing is, I only hear these claims uttered sarcastically by neckbeards and other tiresome people in the geekverse. It's like how I only hear "The Earth is 6000 years old" from atheists. And who gives a shit what connector it is as long as the device comes with a cable and I can get a replacement if necessary?

    Back in the day geeks and nerds advocated competition and having multiple players in the market- it's how PCs got so cheap with a zillion motherboard and peripheral makers. People who really care about tech should hope for success for Apple, Android and, yes, Windows 8 phones so they can continue to fight it out. Anything else is fanboy horseshit. Yes, being a basher is simply fanboyism of a different platform- just as bad, if not worse.

  40. Re:OK, place your bets by Carewolf · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How long before we here of the first major defect? Antenna, battery, something else.

    It is right there in the presentation. Black bars around most apps until they are upgraded.

    I admit that is only an aesthetic defect, but aesthetics seems to be a major concern for many Apple fans.

  41. Re:Something shiny! by SternisheFan · · Score: 2

    My buddy's wife will have sex with him only when he brings home a half gallon of ice cream for her. Yes, she's fat. He's happy.

  42. Will the iPod Classic Live Still? by WiiVault · · Score: 2

    For years now the HDD based iPod Classic has survived new iPods of various names and specs, but it gets at best a mention once a year. Will we still see it for again survive another year? I sure hope so, because HDD based players are getting harder and harder to find.

    1. Re:Will the iPod Classic Live Still? by FreonTrip · · Score: 2

      So far it looks like it's still hanging in there - no updates one way or the other today.

  43. Time travelling googlers by vgerclover · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is further proof that Google already has a working time machine, in order to steal the revolutionary 16:9 aspect ratio, the 4 inch display design. The original evidence was the roll-down notification bar of course.

  44. Re:Remember CmdrTaco's story for the first iPhone? by Missing.Matter · · Score: 5, Informative
    I believe this is the article you're looking for: http://apple.slashdot.org/story/07/01/09/1857231/iphone-apple-tv-headline-macworld-keynote

    Seriously, go check this out. They're going to print money with this thing.

    And that they did...

  45. Why go thin? by Jeng · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Ok, but why is it that every single iPhone I see is covered by a huge honkin rubber protective case?

    From what I have seen Apple should quit trying to make the thinnest iPhone possible and instead make something that can survive a drop.

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    1. Re:Why go thin? by jader3rd · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ok, but why is it that every single iPhone I see is covered by a huge honkin rubber protective case?

      My mother purchased an iPhone 4S a little while after it came out. A few weeks later I flew down to visit her and asked how she liked her new phone. She pulled it out and showed me the case she got for it. She talked about how pretty it was; and then mentioned how all of her friends really like her case as well. I asked my dad about if she really uses her phone and he mentioned how absolutely in love she is with the case. Honestly my mom would have loved a feature phone in an equally stylish case. One success that Apple has going for it, is large enough volume to justify manufacturing a diversity of cases/skins, that will keep people on the iPhone if only for that.

      If the phone could survive a drop, why would people buy more of them?

  46. Re: post-PC world you can't code on ios and the sc by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 2

    yeah you can write the code on it try compiling it on devise though... oh wait.

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  47. Re:big ? Will AT&T let people keep unlimited p by th1nk · · Score: 2

    Yes. I was grandfathered in from the original iPhone, to a 3GS, then a 4. Recently switched to a Galaxy S3 and kept my plan, even with LTE.

  48. Re:Something shiny! by theghost · · Score: 2

    Apple's greatest strength and most damning faults laid bare in one comment.
    It just works, you know what you're getting, your old stuff keeps working.
    Evolutionary, not revolutionary. Does not play well with others.

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  49. What? by mosb1000 · · Score: 2

    If people don't care what apple does, why are they commenting in a thread about it?

    1. Re:What? by canajin56 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What good is apathy if nobody knows just how strongly you don't care?

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    2. Re:What? by tangelogee · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think it's more that they are voicing the thing that most of us are thinking - that Apple's hype is grossly overrated. Which explains why they have to resort to suing everyone else now.

  50. This pisses me off for so many reasons... by mark-t · · Score: 4, Insightful
    • 1. They changed the aspect ratio. This is going to cause a headache for some applications designers who must now design new screen layouts and possibly reposition things to take advantage of the new display. Application complexity will be increased as the app will probably support both old and new aspect ratios.
    • 2. The maps app that Apple developed to replace Google Maps is not that good.
      • There is no Streeview facility - something that I used with Google maps all the time.
      • The "flyover" feature is only usable in certain select major cities. Although the number of cities will probably grow over time, it's my understanding that it will only ever be applicable to major cities. If you live in a smaller town, forget it. Google streetview, by comparison, works just about everywhere. The Google browser-based application will still work normally, of course, but the native map application has many features that the web application does not.
      • The turn-by-turn navigation feature that their map application has is only usable within the USA.
    • 3. The deprecation of some functionality is going to give cause for some users to not update their iOS version, which introduces delays and increases costs for development studios developing applications, who must verify that newly developed applications still work on other widespread iOS versions... especially since there may be some that will actively choose to not update.

    Ultimately, this product seems to be one that is geared towards fragmenting their own user-base. It's unhealthy for them as a company, and it's not remotely helpful to the consumer.

    1. Re:This pisses me off for so many reasons... by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 2

      Apple's generally gotten pretty much everybody to update

      This is actually an interesting point.

      Apple does make it easy to update and most people do. The reason that they do this is that updates provide better functionality. In this case, not so much.

      Which means lots of people might upgrade and then get pissed that the new Maps applications sucks. And Maps is one of those things that everybody uses. How many people do you think are going to update and then wonder where their YouTube app went? "I can't watch YouTube clips anymore!"

      So when iOS 7 rolls around, they'll think twice about upgrading.

      Google will doubtless have their own version of Google Maps, so this is not much of a big deal.

      This assumes that Apple will allow them to do this. Of course, the only reason I can see for Apple not allowing this is the ol' "Duplicate Functionality" argument. On the other hand, this is the same Apple that nixed the Google Voice and Google Latitude applications because they could possibly replace "Core Functionality" of the iPhone.. And Maps is considered Core Functionality (which is why Google Latitude got nixed.)

      I gotta admit, if I were Google, I'd consider not releasing Google Maps for iOS. Apple made their bed--let them lie in it. Why should Google come along and save them?

    2. Re:This pisses me off for so many reasons... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Informative

      The biggest difference between Google Maps and Apple's maps is not immediately obvious. Apple get their mapping data from other companies, for example with TomTom supplying street data. That is what Google was doing about five years ago when they decided to start their own data gathering project, of which Street View was just a part.

      Google analyses Street View images for things like speed limit and junction signs, the names of businesses, numbers on the front of houses, street signs, road markings and so forth. This gives them a lot of metadata about the world. They also gather data from their users, and allow corrections to be made very quickly (TomTom only releases data sets a couple of times a year, and often things like removed speed cameras take years to disappear).

      Google doesn't just map the world, it understands it. Maybe in a few years we will see Apple cars driving around photographing our streets but from the point they are at now they have a long, long way to go to catch up with Google.

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  51. Re:But Nextstep software.... by cpu6502 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    >>>You can see what you are doing on a Pad. and get a full keyboard for typing.

    In other words walk past the iPad in the store and buy a small laptop instead. Got it. Tablets are really just small internet-connected TVs..... passive entertainment devices. Laptops are the better choice for people who need to do actual work.

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  52. BB by Kupfernigk · · Score: 4, Funny

    That's why RIM is in trouble. I stupidly dropped my 9810 today, nearly 5 feet. Not a scratch; just kept working. Now if that had been an iPhone, that would have been another sale for Apple.

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  53. Re:Still not HD? by jareth-0205 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Now not competing with the display on the Galaxy Nexus (also a full 720p display and released 9 months ago)... that's a bit harder to understand.

    Well they've backed themselves into a corner with having absolute pixel positioning, so you can't just arbitrarily change the pixel count like you can on an OS with a UI layout manager. Sorry, let me re-phrase that: on a proper OS. They got away with it once by quadrupling the pixels, but they can't do that again (even if the tech was possible, there wouldn't be any point since we're at the limit of human eye capability). To go to something like 1240x720 would require all sorts of weird scaling, and not look very good. Soooo... what can they do? Maintain the pixel width and add black bars, and put some API for the developers to work around it. I'm very glad I'm not a iOS developer now, I have no idea how they can support that without it being pretty hacky.

  54. Sapphires are a good thing actually by Khyber · · Score: 2

    "And a sapphire crystal lens cover, for whatever that's worth."

    With a hardness of roughly 9 on the Mohs hardness scale, that means it is much more resistant to scratching versus glass. This keeps image quality good, as a scratched lens protection plate will always fuck with the clarity of your images.

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  55. Re: post-PC world you can't code on ios and the sc by s73v3r · · Score: 4, Insightful

    post-PC doesn't mean that the PC isn't around anymore. It just means it's not the main device in most people's lives.

  56. Hand-customize app to meet all Mac screen sizes? by tepples · · Score: 2

    Apple's view is that an app should be hand-customized to support the resolution and screen size of the device

    That would have worked back when all Macs had a 512x342 pixel monochrome screen, and it may work on iOS, but Mac screen sizes vary quite a bit as of now. Is the key difference here the fact that iOS apps run maximized but Mac apps need not?

  57. Re:But Nextstep software.... by s73v3r · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Of course, that completely depends on what your definition of "actual work" is. What you consider "actual work" others might not. I'm sure a construction worker believes that you tinkering on a computer all day is "actual work".

  58. One interesting thing is colors by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 2

    While having two basic shell color models reduces parts supply problems, and allows for quick fixes for breakage, a missing rebrand upscaling of the iPhone 5 is the ability to buy it with shell casing matching school colors.

    For example, at the UW Bookstore, you could get a Dawg iPhone 5 with Purple and Gold colors. A part of the proceeds could go to the university or college doing this.

    Up till now, most people have settled for fab work done by friends, or used shell cases such as the waterproof rugged casing a lot of my friends who keep them in their purses use, but it's the most obvious thing, other than "signed" cases done by designers such as Hermes or so on.

    Face it, if you're going dancing, you probably want the slimmest profile for the phone you can get, as well as a user-identifiable dongle. Just look at the Japanese teen market for ideas in this sphere.

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  59. Re:not impressed? by squiggleslash · · Score: 4, Funny

    Actually pretty much nobody's impressed with the iPhone 5. With the exception of a lone Samsung employee who as I write this is putting together a memo that'll cause Samsung much embarassment in a trial five years from now...

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  60. Re:not impressed? by tgibbs · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Actually, on Slashdot they've been pretty histrionic every time around--even the first one.

  61. Re:...until now by tangelogee · · Score: 5, Funny

    One of the keys to Apple's success is the unshakeable conviction that "Nobody wants X--until Apple figures out how to do it right."

    Riiiiight...so the antenna snafu was a feature for easily hanging on unwanted calls, right?

  62. Re:iOS had pano before by tangelogee · · Score: 4, Informative

    Samsung's panorama feature has been around since at least the Omnia. And it was a function in the Phone app, not a separate app.

  63. No, not letterboxing. Apps already deal with this by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Informative

    Wow, letterboxing? Really? Really? Did Apple just never learn how to make an API for UI elements that doesn't suck?

    Yes, in fact they did it from the release of the SDK.

    An app has ALWAYS had to take into account the screen might shrink somewhat for an incoming call; it increases the header size.

    The same auto-layout logic (again present since the release of the SDK) would also handle simply expanding an app to fill the screen. Some apps might look a little funny until they get updated, but not too bad.

    If Apple had increased the WIDTH, then there would have been major issues as many fewer app developers plan for that varying.

    The question is if Apple is going to let apps auto-resize, or if they will present bars until you re-compile and re-submit the app. But the point is that apps already are handling variable heights to some degree so this is not a tricky thing.

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  64. Re:Still not HD? by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

    Actually either would via several methods.
    Presbyopia can be dealt with either by progressive contacts, or laser surgery for one eye to be setup for close focus and the other far.

    Nice try on not know what you are talking about and still being smug about it.

  65. Lines will be short by Vapula · · Score: 3, Informative

    Samsung was waiting for the presentation to have an official confirmation that iPhone 5 will have LTE...
    Now, they'll ask for a ban of the device and people who will preorder will take the risk of waiting for ages before having their brand new phone...

    So the lines may be quite short after all... Because people want their breand new toy NOW and not in a uncertain future...

    1. Re:Lines will be short by Scowler · · Score: 2

      Qualcomm has already licensed those LTE patents in question. End of story. This threat of litigation is entirely FUD.

  66. Re:Durability by jon3k · · Score: 5, Informative

    I work for a company that deploys iPhones and iPads. We've given out hundreds of devices. So far we've had 3 broken (screen shattered). You can get a screen replaced for a couple hundred dollars. I've seen COUNTLESS iPhones/iPads dropped without suffering any damage, or just very minor scratching. The only time we see REAL damage is when it lands on a corner and all the force is concentrated in that one small area, and only happens on a very hard surface like concrete. As far as blackberrys, we replace about 3 a week. Usually trackballs and now the touchpads failing, keypads stop working randomly and of course the finish wears off all of them within 3-6 months, so they start flaking. Everyone knows when they inevitable freeze up you have to reboot them by removing the battery. The new problem now is speakers failing, we have people bring in Tours/Curves because their "ringer and speaker phone stopped working" -- tell tale sign every time. Basically we replace blackberrys at LEAST at a 5:1 rate as we do iPhones. No dropping required!

  67. Re:Hand-customize app to meet all Mac screen sizes by ZiakII · · Score: 2

    . Things can't just scale with resolution on an iPhone, for example, as they do on a computer monitor, because a finger is not a precise pointing device like a mouse.

    ummm.... why not? That is how Android does it.

  68. Update: it will letterbox by default... by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    I was wrong about it automatically adjusting the app size up. It will letterbox...

    But like I said since most apps already have to deal with height changes it will be mostly a re-compile (except for games).

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  69. Re:Why do you need them? by MikeBabcock · · Score: 3, Informative

    How is it hypocritical to hope Samsung gives Apple a taste of their own medicine?

    Note: Samsung's upset about a patented technology they actually own and invented. Apple sued over mostly design patents that many places in the world mock because they simply shouldn't be patentable. Also it seems quite likely that Apple's own patents will be overturned on appeal since prior art was ignored by the jury.

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  70. Re: post-PC world you can't code on ios and the sc by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 2

    "post-PC" does not mean "no PC"

  71. Re:No contract plans? by ThePeices · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'd like to buy one outright and go w/ a no-contract plan. Anyone know how that works?

    Yes Apple User I can help you here, it works well and is pretty easy.

    When they are available, you go to the store and tell the salesperson that you would like to buy an iPhone 5. The salesperson says 'ok' and grabs one and then tells you what the price is for an iPhone 5 with no contract. You then use your payment method of choice and pay the correct amount of money. Once the transaction is completed, the salesperson hands you your new iPhone 5. You then walk out of the store.

    Congratulations, if you have made it this far, you have done what we in the industry call a "purchase". You have now "bought" an iPhone 5 and in most cases you now "own" it.

    Please reply if you have trouble understanding these instructions, and Ill do my best to explain how this "purchasing" process works.

  72. Re:Durability by sessamoid · · Score: 2

    the iPhone doesn't use gorilla glass or equivalent, it uses a much cheaper, weaker material than just about all flagship Android devices (the Galaxy Nexus is one exception I can think of). As such, the iPhone objectively has a weaker screen and is hence more likely and more prone to breaking whatever your anecdotes might say. As for the Blackberry I can't comment, but certainly there is objectively some truth in what the GP is saying - the iPhone has a much weaker screen than one would normally expect for the price, particularly when comparing to it's main competition, so it would make sense that on average it ends up with a broken screen more so than at least most equivalent Android (and for that matter, Windows Phone) handsets.

    Umm... no. But really lousy try at trolling. The original iPhone was the first device to bring Gorilla Glass to a consumer product, and they have used it ever since. Up until the iPhone was introduced, Gorilla Glass was shelved technology at Corning that they thought would never have a commercial application. Jobs approached the president of Corning because he was unhappy with the prototype screens that were so easily scratched. You can thank Jobs for introducing Gorilla Glass to ALL mobile phones.

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