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Apple Announces iPhone 5

Today Phil Schiller took to the stage at the Yerba Buena Center for the Arts in San Francisco, where he announced the long-expected iPhone 5. The casing is made entirely of glass and aluminum, and it's 7.6mm thick, which is 18% thinner than the iPhone 4S. It weighs in at 112 grams, which is 20% lighter than the 4S. Schiller confirmed that the iPhone 5 has a 4" display, with a resolution of 1136x640. It's a 16:9 aspect ratio. The screen is the same width as a 4S, but it's taller. To accommodate older apps, they either center the app or add black bars to make it look right. The new device also has LTE support. Tim Cook spoke earlier about the iPad, making some interesting claims: "Yes, we are in a post-PC world." He also claimed 68% tablet market share for the iPad, and says iPads account for 91% of tablet-based web traffic. The event is continuing, and we'll update this post as further announcements appear. A real-time liveblog is being quickly updated at Ars Technica. Update: 09/12 18:16 GMT by S : Further details below. Further details: for the iPhone 5, Apple also added support for HSPA+ and DC-HSDPA. The dynamic antenna is an improvement over the 4S, and can switch connections. In the U.S. LTE partners are AT&T, Verizon, and Sprint. On to processing: the iPhone 5 runs an A6 chip that's twice as fast as the A5, in addition to being 22% smaller. Rob Murray from EA got up on stage to show a racing game, claiming that the graphics "have been built to full console quality." Battery life for the phone will be roughly 8 hours for either 3G talk-time or browsing. Engadget has a feature-by-feature comparison to the 4S.

The new phone's camera has an 8-Megapixel sensor, with a resolution of 3264x2448. It includes a hybrid IR filter, an f/2.4 aperture, and a five element lens. And a sapphire crystal lens cover, for whatever that's worth. There's a new feature for taking panorama shots (claimed 'breakthrough software,' though similar software already appears on actual cameras), and new software for automatically sharing pictures.

Apple also detailed the new connector, dubbed 'Lightning.' It's entirely digital, and 80% smaller than the old connector. It can be plugged in in either direction. Apple has created a bunch of adapters to let old cables and hardware work with Lightning. They then spoke at length about iOS 6, which will run on the iPhone 5, and demonstrated their new Maps app, which includes turn-by-turn directions (also in 3D using a 'cinematic camera'). "Apple is betting heavily on Passbook and other features to give it a leg up in the competition over Google Android and the upcoming Windows Phone 8." Pre-orders for the iPhone 5 start on Friday, and the device will start shipping on September 21. iOS 6 will roll out on September 19.

Apple's Eddie Cue went on stage to discuss changes to iTunes and the iPod. iTunes has been redesigned to work better on the iPad, and, more importantly, iCloud integration has been built in. They've also made a 'mini-player,' which takes up much less screen real estate. The new iTunes will be available in late October. Changes are coming for iPods as well. The new iPod nano looks like a mini iPod Touch. It's 38% thinner than the previous model, but has a bigger, 2.5" multitouch display. It contains an FM tuner with DVR functionality, it has a Home button, and it uses the Lightning connector. The iPod Touch is now 6.1 mm thick and weighs 88 grams. It has a Lightning connector port too, in addition to the headphone jack. The screen is bigger; it's a 4" display, the same as the iPhone 5. It runs on a dual-core A5 processor that's twice as fast as the previous model. Graphics are claimed to be seven times faster. The battery allows for 40 hours of audio playback or 8 hours of video playback. The camera has been upgraded to a 5MP sensor. The iPod Touch comes in colors now. But not grape. Apple also took the wraps off what they call "EarPods." They're like earbuds, but they don't form a seal within the ear. They let air flow continue, and a tiny speaker directs the sound into the ear. The EarPods will come standard with the iPhone 5 and with the new revisions of the iPod Nano, and iPod Touch.

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  1. meh by LodCrappo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    whatever

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    1. Re:meh by jellomizer · · Score: 5, Funny

      If Jobs did the presentation it would be amazing.

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    2. Re:meh by ModernGeek · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't even want it. What's wrong with me?!

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    3. Re:meh by ackthpt · · Score: 2

      If Jobs did the presentation it would be amazing.

      I wonder if the lines outside Apple Stores will be as long in the Cook era as they were in the Jobs era. It looks like something people would be happy with.

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    4. Re:meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      yes, because the fact that a great number of people don't care at all what Apple does would never be allowed to surface in a properly moderated system.

    5. Re:meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      3G worldphone, LTE, and decent battery life. This is actually impressive, though we've been waiting 2 years for it.

      If it let you out of the Apple sandbox if you wanted, then it would be the best smartphone by far. But that sandbox is a major detractor.

    6. Re:meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Statistics statistics glass-and-aluminum percentages statistics percentage increase percentage increase percentage thinner one feature all other modern phones have had for a year or so now statistics statistics percentages.

      Woo. That's an earth-shattering product announcement they've got there. Boy howdy. And presented with all the sheer excitement of a PowerPoint slideshow presenting the last quarter's sales percentages. Incredible amazement, here. Sure does make me think Apple's innovative and special.

    7. Re:meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      "What's wrong with me?!"

      A lot of things. You go for functionality over fashion accessories. You go against the herd mentality by not letting others decide what's good for you. You are showing clear signs of a cognitive person and that's now allowed in the era where everybody is supposed to suck Steve Jobs' dick (even a dead one).

      This clearly makes you a sociopath. Ask any Apple fanboy.

    8. Re:meh by Moheeheeko · · Score: 5, Informative

      LTE = Incoming Samsung Lawsuit.

    9. Re:meh by fustakrakich · · Score: 2
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    10. Re:meh by kelemvor4 · · Score: 4, Funny

      If Jobs did the presentation it would be amazing.

      I'd definitely be amazed if I saw a dead guy give a presentation.

    11. Re:meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      If you are waiting for something for 2 years, and the competitors are already offering it, it's not impressive, but just about caching up with competition.

    12. Re:meh by desdinova+216 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      nothing.

    13. Re:meh by c · · Score: 5, Funny

      If Jobs did the presentation it would be amazing.

      I'd definitely be amazed if I saw a dead guy give a presentation.

      I've seen some where I'm almost sure the presenter was dead...

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    14. Re:meh by basscomm · · Score: 5, Funny

      LTE = Incoming Samsung Lawsuit.

      Wow, I totally had that initialism wrong.

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    15. Re:meh by Hatta · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Ladies and Gentlemen, Mesdames et Messieurs, Damen und Herren, from what was once an inarticulate mass of lifeless tissues, may I present a cultured, sophosticated, Man About Town..."

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    16. Re:meh by Strider- · · Score: 1

      How many presentations did Strom Thurmond do in the final few years before the moths ate too many holes?

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    17. Re:meh by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Funny
      I have to disagree. If Jobs did the presentation it would be horrible. I'll give you a preview:

      "Mmmmm. Rawrrrrr. Brainssss."

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    18. Re:meh by morcego · · Score: 5, Funny

      If Jobs did the presentation it would be amazing.

      I'd definitely be amazed if I saw a dead guy give a presentation.

      I've seen some where I'm almost sure the presenter was dead...

      .. and several where I wish he was.

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    19. Re:meh by localman57 · · Score: 4, Funny

      If Jobs did the presentation it would be amazing.

      Oh, and one more thing....BRAAAAAINNNNNS!

    20. Re:meh by morcego · · Score: 4, Funny

      I don't even want it. What's wrong with me?!

      You are ugly, have poor fashion sense and I simply don't like you ...

      There, is that enough ? :)

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    21. Re:Meh by Hatta · · Score: 2

      Android fans usually try to respond by telling me that I don't really need a high-res display. This is a losing argument â" once you've seen the new iPad in action, low-resolution tablets look crude in comparison

      As far as I can tell, most people are happy with 1366x768 on a 15" screen. I know it's crap, you know it's crap, but most people could give a crap that it's crap. Giving people 2048x1536 on a 10" display is casting pearls before swine.

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    22. Re:meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But Android has 80% of the market, right? How is buying an iPhone "going with the herd"? Aren't you getting that backwards?

    23. Re:meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Don't you mean....

      Liiiiiverrrrs!

    24. Re:meh by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

      Pfft Jobs!

      Schillermania is here!

    25. Re:meh by Megor1 · · Score: 1

      Caching, is that a sly way of saying they are copying what others did or just a fortunate typo?

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    26. Re:meh by elbiatcho1 · · Score: 1

      Don't be surprised if you see a future hologram presentation.

    27. Re:meh by cpu6502 · · Score: 1

      >>>I don't even want it. What's wrong with me?!

      You are waiting for the $100 pricedrop on the iPhone 4, just like me. :-)

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    28. Re:meh by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think a iZombie Jobs presentation would be awesome to watch. see him start chewing on tim cooks head as the crowd screams. if only there were an app for that.

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    29. Re:Meh by Uberbah · · Score: 3, Informative

      This is why Apple has been resorting to lawsuits

      Nevermind that Samsung also sued Apple. Nevermind that the iPhone was banned for two years in Korea.

      The Galaxy S III is competitive with even the iPhone 5 (though its app ecosystem may not be quite as good) and the Galaxy Note is far superior to the Apple phones.

      Fanboy tautologies that would be mocked if they were coming from Apple users.

      Why people can't just be happy that there is innovation and competition in the smartphone market....

    30. Re:Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The Asus Transformer Infinity has 1920x1200 on a 10" tablet. I seriously doubt that I could see a real difference between the Infinity and the iPad.

    31. Re:meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You could get Phil Schiller and Jonathan Ive to "Weekend at Bernie's" it.

    32. Re:meh by FarrisGoldstein · · Score: 1

      Oobadooba!

    33. Re:meh by whoever57 · · Score: 2, Informative

      If Jobs did the presentation it would be amazing.

      Here he is

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    34. Re:Meh by crizh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      " Nevermind that the iPhone was banned for two years in Korea."

      Holy shit, really?

      Citation?

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    35. Re:meh by highphilosopher · · Score: 2

      Agreed. Presentation done by dead guys generally are VERY impressive.

    36. Re:meh by shiftless · · Score: 2

      Whatever

    37. Re:Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "Citation" - Steve Job's ass. That's where all the fanboi facts come from.

    38. Re:meh by Minwee · · Score: 1

      Is that real LTE, or the kind that only works in the Northern Hemisphere?

    39. Re:meh by symbolset · · Score: 1

      In return Aple will countersue Samsung for "slavishly copying" their innovative 16:9 display.

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    40. Re:Meh by fwarren · · Score: 1

      but they apparently have an iPad Mini prepped and ready to go to compete there. If rumors are accurate and it goes for $249 or so, then it's going to get a lot of purchases

      Please give me a reliable citation. At this point. I think it is safe to say there will not be a new iPad Mini out for the Christmas season. So maybe they announce one in late January? Or maybe they don't? What do I do if I actually want to *own* a tablet that is smaller than 10" and spend less than $350? My choices seem to be an Andriod based tablet or nothing.

      Talk is cheap, go ask Microsoft. Apple has just ceded the sub $400 tablet market for Christmas 2012. Maybe they are hoping the Mayans are right and it wont matter?

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    41. Re:meh by s73v3r · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Because it's not insightful. It's someone trying to act all hipster by saying he doesn't care about the story. If he didn't care about the story, why did he go to the trouble of commenting on it?

    42. Re:meh by LeDopore · · Score: 2

      If Jobs did the presentation it would be amazing.

      On the contrary. If they reanimated Steve for this presentation, I would be very impressed.

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    43. Re:meh by s73v3r · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You go against the herd mentality

      Don't most Android fanboys like to talk up the fact that Android has far more marketshare than the iPhone now? So can you really say that you're going against a "herd mentality" by buying a product that has the marketshare lead?

    44. Re:meh by jest3r · · Score: 1

      Seems like more of the same ... just a speed bump ... what ever happened to Think Different?

    45. Re:meh by s73v3r · · Score: 1

      You have different tastes than some other people. It's perfectly normal, and it's perfectly normal for them to have tastes that are different than yours.

    46. Re:Meh by TrancePhreak · · Score: 1

      The Asus Transformer Infinity has a 1920 Ã-- 1200. It's widescreen (not 4:3 like the iPad).

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    47. Re:Meh by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 1

      Why people can't just be happy that there is innovation and competition in the smartphone market....

      Quiet! If people did that then the amount of traffic going to news websites would drop dramatically. How would slashdot, macworld, and cnet make advertising revenue?

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    48. Re:Meh by Lluc · · Score: 3, Informative

      There is still no serious Android competitor to the new iPad, with its unparalleled 2048x1536 display.

      Did you hear about the 1920x1200 Amazon Fire HD for $299? It's 8.9" rather than 10", but it is still a very serious iPad competitor.

    49. Re:meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I think a iZombie Jobs presentation would be awesome to watch. see him start chewing on tim cooks head as the crowd cheers and wets themselves with excitement. if only there were an app for that.

      Fixed that for you.

    50. Re:Meh by tgibbs · · Score: 1

      Apple has always sued competitors that imitated their designs. The current lawsuits are nothing new, and most of them have been in the works for a long time. Everybody knows that Apple releases one iPhone per year, so once you get halfway through the year, prospective buyers are starting to think about holding out for the next one. We'll know in a few months whether the iPhone was falling behind with consumers or whether it was just pent-up demand. It will be interesting to see whether Apple's conviction that a phone should be small and light wins out over the "like an iPhone but bigger!" competition. Certainly the new screen form factor sets it apart from the competition--for now. I imagine that some competitors are already working on tall-screen models, just out of general fear that, once again, it will turn out that Apple knows better.

    51. Re:meh by mrclisdue · · Score: 1

      Damn! My kingdom for a mod point. That's the 2nd most insightful comment thus far....

    52. Re:Meh by JDG1980 · · Score: 1

      Did you hear about the 1920x1200 Amazon Fire HD for $299? It's 8.9" rather than 10", but it is still a very serious iPad competitor.

      The hardware is good, and it would be worth considering if a stable build of CyanogenMod comes out for it. But I'm not touching Amazon's privacy-invading (Silk), ad-laden OS variant with a 10-foot pole.

    53. Re:meh by samkass · · Score: 3, Informative

      3G worldphone, LTE, and decent battery life. This is actually impressive, though we've been waiting 2 years for it.

      If it let you out of the Apple sandbox if you wanted, then it would be the best smartphone by far. But that sandbox is a major detractor.

      Note just the 3G is worldphone. There will be separate iPhone 5 models for international LTE. From http://www.apple.com/iphone/specs.html there are 3 models:

      * GSM model A1428*: UMTS/HSPA+/DC-HSDPA (850, 900, 1900, 2100 MHz); GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz); LTE (Bands 4 and 17)
      * CDMA model A1429*: CDMA EV-DO Rev. A and Rev. B (800, 1900, 2100 MHz); UMTS/HSPA+/DC-HSDPA (850, 900, 1900, 2100 MHz); GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz); LTE (Bands 1, 3, 5, 13, 25)
      * GSM model A1429*: UMTS/HSPA+/DC-HSDPA (850, 900, 1900, 2100 MHz); GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz); LTE (Bands 1, 3, 5)

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    54. Re:meh by snikulin · · Score: 1

      Smartphone users about brain implants: meh, whatever
      PC users about smartphones: meh, whatever
      Minicomputer users about PC: meh, whatever
      Mainframe users about Minis: meh, whatever ...
      Prokaryotes about eukaryotes: meh, whatever ...
      Protobionts about prokaryotes: meh, whatever

    55. Re:meh by Urza9814 · · Score: 1

      Yes. You're comparing market share of an OS vs. market share of a phone. The iPhone probably has the largest market share of any specific phone.

    56. Re:Meh by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      Christmas season means early adopters in mid to late October, timed for the film/fashion spheres, with purchase somewhere around Thanksgiving to allow for the entire Black Monday and Cyber Tuesday crowd.

      It's September. that's pretty darned soon.

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    57. Re:meh by ppanon · · Score: 1

      Steve "Seldon" Jobs?

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    58. Re:meh by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      You go against the herd mentality by not letting others decide what's good for you.

      Exactly! That's why I decided to say to hell with installed user base and market sare and bought an IMac

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    59. Re:meh by ppanon · · Score: 1

      Don't most Android fanboys like to talk up the fact that Android has far more marketshare than the iPhone now? So can you really say that you're going against a "herd mentality" by buying a product that has the marketshare lead?

      As the owner of an original Galaxy S, I prefer trendsetter. However I'll recognize precedence by original iPhone owners :-)

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    60. Re:meh by medcalf · · Score: 1

      For geeks, the sandbox is a major detractor. For normal people, it's a non-issue, and in fact is a fairly transparent way to give some kind of assurance of app stability/quality/security. (Admittedly, minimal assurance, but better by far than what you get on an open platform.)

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    61. Re:Meh by jon3k · · Score: 1

      I would love to hear how the Galaxy Note is far superior to the iPhone 5.

    62. Re:Meh by dmitrygr · · Score: 1

      Show me an android Phone whose camera produces images that are even close to the iPhone4S camera images. I've been looking high and low. In Galaxy Nexus I finally found *ALMOST* parity with my *OLD* iPhone4, but still not on par with battery life and camera. I'd *LOVE* to switch away from apple, if only the competitors would get their shit together and made a device that (1) could last over 2 days on battery, with 2-3 hours of web and 1 hour of talk a day; (2) Had a 5MP+ camera that did not suck (good low light perf, reasonable speed); (3) was *NOT* a phablet - i want a phone that fits in my pocket, not a mini-tablet; (4) had decent performance and fluid UI (this means jellybean or later OS only) Galaxy Nexus is close, others, not even...

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    63. Re:Meh by rasmusbr · · Score: 1

      I was also surprised that they didn't announce a smaller version of the iPad. Maybe they ran into difficulties with the display, or maybe they don't think there's a market for one.

      I've long thought that there must be a tremendous market for a tablet roughly the size of an average paperback novel (only thinner of course). It's a size and format that everyone is used to handling and carrying.

    64. Re:meh by WiiVault · · Score: 1

      Well it wasn't sweaty Balmer you saw that's for sure.

    65. Re:Meh by WaZiX · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well the ASUS tranfromer Pad Infinity (on which I type this) has a 1920x1200 resolution. To be honest it is quite simply a brilliant tablet. For my use of it: with the dock, two SD slots (microSD on the tablet itself + SD on the dock), its USB port, Androids capability of using a mouse and citrix receiver it actually becomes a fully functional solution for working away from the office. I really wasn't expecting it but quite a few iPad owners were actually envious when I showed them what this device was capable and almost all of my colleagues which haven't yet bought a tablet are favoring the infinity over the iPad.

      The infinity + dock + citrix combination really is simply awesome for business travellers and in my case vastly superior to the iPad.

    66. Re:meh by nschubach · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Woooo!!!!" *waving arms running to one side of the stage*
      "Woooo!!!!" *waving arms running back to the other side of the stage*
      "Woooo!!!!" *waving arms running to middle of the stage*
      "Woooo!!!!" *standing at the podium drenched in sweat*

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    67. Re:meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      If Jobs did the presentation it would be amazing.

      I'd definitely be amazed if I saw a dead guy give a presentation.

      I've seen some where I'm almost sure the presenter was dead...

      .. and several where I wish he was.

      ... And even some where I wish I was.

    68. Re:Meh by Urza9814 · · Score: 1

      Never had an iPhone, but I did have an iPod touch a while back and my biggest complaint was always that the damn thing was too small! I mean had it been a resistive touch screen it would be alright, but for a capacitive screen I had a hell of a time using the damn thing. Try to type in portrait mode and you can only type one word per minute because that's how slow you have to type to actually hit the right keys; try to type in landscape mode and you can no longer see the text you're typing because the keyboard occupies most of the screen.

      I think the Archos 5 IMT ( http://www.amazon.com/Archos-32-Internet-Tablet-Android/dp/B002OL2PLU ) was the PERFECT size. I mean I don't _mind_ if they want to remove the bezel and make it a bit thinner; might be nice if it's going to be a phone...but I've never understood why you'd want smaller than a 5" screen. If I could get that device with an updated version of android and modern hardware (keep the screen resistive though please) I'd buy it in a second.

      The entire point of buying these things is that they're _not just phones_ anymore -- you might as well get one with a large enough screen to actually do something useful with it! Unless it's too big to fit comfortably in my pocket, it's not too big.

    69. Re:Meh by Mr_Silver · · Score: 1

      The iPhone has been falling behind in the past year or so. Competitors now have better hardware and an equally good user experience.

      ... but only if they use ICS or JB.

      Unfortunately nearly all of the OEMs still insist on slathering their own crappy iOS-aping user interfaces over the top.

      My Galaxy SIII would be a far nicer phone if Samsung hadn't let their TouchWiz team remotely near it.

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    70. Re:Meh by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Yeah because Apple's 2Q results were horrible...oh wait....

    71. Re:Meh by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Because people still use them for phones....

    72. Re:meh by Matheus · · Score: 2

      Hey... they brought 2Pac back... they could bring Jobs back if they wanted to. The two of them could even rap together to announce the iPhone 6!

    73. Re:meh by atheos · · Score: 1

      Certainly someone from apple could bring us Hologram Jobs, patent it, and sue anyone else that does anything similar.

    74. Re:Meh by Deliveranc3 · · Score: 1

      "There is still no serious Android competitor to the new iPad, with its unparalleled 2048x1536 display. Android fans usually try to respond by telling me that I don't really need a high-res display." - AppleFanboy

      There is still no serious Apple competitor to newer Android tablets with unparralelled battery life of 40-50% more than the iPad2. Apple fans usually try to respond by saying that you can just plug it in. But that doesn't change the fact that when I go to my tablet expecting 40-50% battery life it's dead. - !AppleFanboy

      At close proximity you might be able to actually tell that resolution from the one below it (probably an Android). Given 3 days apart from both tablets you couldn't pass the taste test(re: resolution), on battery life you SURE AS HELL COULD.

      Win Android.

    75. Re:meh by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      They realized that being more like their competition would help them sell more phones ...

      irony, it happens.

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    76. Re:meh by zlives · · Score: 1

      samsung phone is 9:16 so obviously not a copy

    77. Re:meh by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      Actually most 'average' people I know end up asking "why can't I run something like that?"

      Sandboxing confuses people. They want to be able to do anything they want with their device, and when they see someone else (running Android or Windows Mobile*) doing something they can't do, they get upset.

      *I realize seeing someone using Windows Mobile is likely never to happen, but it could ...

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    78. Re:Meh by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1

      I think I need it. I have thought that since 1989, Unfortunately, I remain convinced I cant afford it.

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    79. Re:Meh by Shadowmist · · Score: 1

      . None of the competing 10" tablets come close to the iPad's market share..

      As I understand it, the Ipad 3's main competition is the Ipad 2.

    80. Re:meh by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      yes, because the fact that a great number of people don't care at all what Apple does would never be allowed to surface in a properly moderated system.

      Well, thanks for reminding us in any discussion about Apple. And most that are not, too.

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    81. Re:Meh by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 1

      I'm happy with 1280x720 at 10", and in fact I'm GLAD the Note 10.1 didn't move to 1920x1200.

      No mobile GPU currently on the market is capable of driving that resolution without severe consequences.

      The iPad had to have a 70% increase in battery capacity (resulting in a significant increase in weight and recharge time) to power the GPU they used, which did not have any improvements in power efficiency.

      The Transformer Infinity and Acer A700 just don't have the GPU *oomph* to drive such a high resolution display either. Instead of a massive battery penalty, they pay a massive performance penalty.

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    82. Re:meh by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      There is significant difference between all those Android offerings, though. So you can pick the one that actually fits your needs best.

    83. Re:meh by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1

      Not whatever.

      Five rows, man - five rows of icons! It's amazing! It's ... magical...

    84. Re:Meh by erroneus · · Score: 1

      Samsung is singing "We didn't start the fire..."

      Apple is the one who went on the warpath of destruction. Had they not done that, we would not see Samsung fighting back.

    85. Re:Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The iPad display sucks.It really does. Sure the resolution is high. But the glossy screen with smudgy prints make it difficult to read. Not saying any competitor is doing better, but someday there will be a nice color e-ink type screen, and that will be a good screen.

    86. Re:Meh by lexman098 · · Score: 1

      The Galaxy S III is competitive with even the iPhone 5 (though its app ecosystem may not be quite as good)

      Try Galaxy S II even (released 1.5 years ago). I'm not sure what you're referring to with the app ecosystem thing either. Show me an app like Tasker for iOS.

    87. Re:meh by shadowrat · · Score: 1

      I know samsung has publicly stated their intent to take action against apple for using LTE. IANAL so i don't understand the finer points here, but it seems odd to think you could use this tech without having dotted your i's and crossed your t's. It's not like an icon that anyone can cook up in isolation on their desktop. When you want use LTE, you don't design an LTE chip, you buy them from samsung. I don't think you just send an intern to the website to anonymously order 5 million lte radio chips, you go to samsung and say, "hey. we want to use your chip in the iphone5." then a deal is worked out with licensing and stuff.

      I'm sure it's possible to do something wrong along the way, but i sort of think samsung's statements really meant, "we have our lawyers combing through all the paperwork we made apple file when they bought the LTE rights to try and find something, anything, that might be amiss."

    88. Re:meh by Shadowmist · · Score: 1

      3G worldphone, LTE, and decent battery life. This is actually impressive, though we've been waiting 2 years for it.

      If it let you out of the Apple sandbox if you wanted, then it would be the best smartphone by far. But that sandbox is a major detractor.

      Yeah, having over 700,000 applications available just blows. Sandbox vs.open field. In the grand scheme of things that's just a clash of whose techno religous hype are you going for? I quite frankly don't care as long as I can get the application I want and have a reasonable chance that it's one not fitted with malware. I've got issues with Apple but I trust them to do more oversight than Goggle does for it's Market. Although I trust that Google will start taking closer looks at making sure it's customers have a halfway decent chance of not screwing themselves when they download an app.

    89. Re:meh by Thud457 · · Score: 1, Troll

      Unfortunately we live in a post-Jobs world.

      Happened on Obama's watch.
      Cain't argue with that.

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    90. Re:meh by ppanon · · Score: 1

      When you refresh your product line once a year with only a single new model that has to appeal to everyone, it's hard to out-innovate multiple companies each with a variety of different models targeting different customer needs. The single new model approach is cheaper in terms of design, production, and maintenance costs so you get more profit, but a manufacturer that offers more options is going to have a better chance to match a given customer's preferred feature set at a price point the customer can afford. Competitors can take more risks by introducing features such as dual SIM support, LTE, photo flash, and limiting them to specific models in a product line. Apple doesn't have that alternative and therefore controls risks and costs by not trying options that initially would only have niche appeal, even if there's a chance they might breakout into mainstream appeal.

      Apple used to make devices that Jobs wanted/liked [i.e. a target market of 1] with the expectation that the rest of the world will follow. Most of the time that worked because Steve was enough of a visionary and aesthete to make it work. The problem is that when you either a) have satisfied that man's core needs and/or b) no longer have that reference point or driving force, you can't just keep going on momentum. Apple still have amazingly talented people, but they've lost direction because their target market isn't around anymore to tell them what they need to make next. In the meantime other companies are doing real market research and moving forward by taking risks Apple no longer has the drive to make. Unless Apple can find a replacement visionary or learn to do market research and product differentiation again (with a worldwide view), it's likely this will be par for the course. Diversifying their product line and doing more market research is going to cut into profits however, and it will turn them into just another phone/PC company, with above average talent. It won't give them an advantage on bringing out revolutionary products again.

      The problem with having someone as creative and dictatorial as Steve Jobs at the top of a company is that, while he may attract brilliant people that enjoy the challenge he offers them, he is unlikely to to attract people with the combination of creative vision and self confidence/leadership necessary to replace him because that type of person will tend to have a personality that will clash with Steve's. Under Jobs, there can be only one ultimate decider, so everyone else loses that skill and replaces it with making decisions they think Steve would approve of. That's extremely self-limiting for creativity.

      Either someone in Apple is going to need to rediscover how to develop their own product vision and the confidence to promote it, or Apple is going to have to find a successful medium size hardware tech company that has a seasoned but still fairly young and visionary leader with the right qualities, to buy them out and place them in charge. Is there any company/CEO out there that fits the bill? Because of the patent landmine saturation in the cell and computing market these days, that kind of animal is getting mighty thin in the woods because they're more likely to look for a market where that isn't so much of an issue.

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    91. Re:meh by Savage-Rabbit · · Score: 1

      samsung phone is 9:16 so obviously not a copy

      Stop ruining our Apple hate festival with 'facts'!!!

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    92. Re:Meh by StripedCow · · Score: 1

      Tablets suck. They are generally too heavy to hold comfortably for more than half an hour. Plus typing on the screen without tactile feedback sucks.

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    93. Re:meh by Crypto+Gnome · · Score: 1

      If they can hologram-to-life Tupac for a music concert I don't see why they cannot ditto His-Jobs-Ness for the next earth-shattering iPhone.

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    94. Re:Meh by sl149q · · Score: 1

      Announcement will be in early to mid October with product orders within one week of that and deliveries starting immediately.

      In other words, WHEN they announce it. Apple will be able to ship immediately, in large volumes. If that happens anytime before December 1st it will be a huge seller for Christmas 2012.

      The only questions left about the iPad mini is whether it will be retina (pundits say no.) And if there will be an LTE version.

      Personally I want Retina and LTE in with 32GB.

    95. Re:Meh by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

      Why people can't just be happy that there is innovation and competition in the smartphone market...

      The human mind seeks a religious attachment to things.

      Sometimes it takes the form of actual religion, sometimes political ideology and sometimes a rabid attachment to a brand or place or sports teams or... just about anything, really.

      It frees the individual from having to incorporate new information or alter a perceived reality framework that, for most people, was laid down in childhood and set in stone ever since.

      As I said in another thread, back in the day geeks and nerds used to welcome new stuff and favored competition, but the geekverse has gone the way of any other clique within the human race- tainted by rigid ideologies and glowering self importance and arrogance.

      Time to start something new, maybe.

    96. Re:meh by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      I've seen some where I'm almost sure the presenter was dead...

      Was it the one where the AT&T guy read something like a hundred marketing statements in a row off of note cards?

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    97. Re:Meh by LordLucless · · Score: 1

      Nevermind that Samsung also sued Apple.

      Yes, after Apple had their phones banned in multiple countries after launch.

      Nevermind that the iPhone was banned for two years in Korea.

      Fanboy tautologies that would be mocked if they were coming from Apple users.

      How is what the OP said a tautology? "Tautology" has a specific meaning which the OPs comments don't at all meet.

      Why people can't just be happy that there is innovation and competition in the smartphone market...

      Because the major "competitor" is trying to ensure that their isn't?

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    98. Re:meh by wvmarle · · Score: 2

      Now that's an idea!

      clickety clickety

      (submitting to App Store)

      REJECTED

      Damn :-(

    99. Re:meh by johnsnails · · Score: 1

      That would be jobs at the iphone 4 announcement

    100. Re:Meh by Cederic · · Score: 4, Informative

      You mean, other than the Asus screen being brighter and having better viewing angles?

    101. Re:Meh by Cederic · · Score: 1

      I'm noticing no issues with screen updates on mine.

    102. Re:meh by WingCmdr · · Score: 1

      If Jobs did the presentation it would be amazing.

      No, it would be "magical."

    103. Re:meh by smash · · Score: 2

      Developers! Developers! Developers! /throw chair

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    104. Re:meh by smash · · Score: 1

      It would be revolutionary.

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    105. Re:meh by smash · · Score: 1

      Agreed. But I suspect Ive may be the guy. He's non-technical, but knows what he wants aesthetically / UI wise.

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    106. Re:meh by smash · · Score: 1

      actually, i am a geek (just slightly more jaded in terms of security than a lot of others) and for me the sandbox is a feature.

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    107. Re:meh by quacking+duck · · Score: 1

      No. The Samsung Galaxy SIII, by itself, outsold the iPhone 4S (again, by itself) in August.

      Very likely 4S sales were lower due to iPhone 5 anticipation, but it doesn't change the fact that "herd mentality" applies equally to both sides now whether you're comparing OS or the two leading handsets.

    108. Re:meh by socceroos · · Score: 1

      iZombie.

    109. Re:meh by dudpixel · · Score: 1

      and it went viral.

      If only Microsoft realised their potential...

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    110. Re:meh by Clsid · · Score: 1

      Yeah, try to remove Google from all of those to see how "free" Android is. Google is just using the same tactics Microsoft uses to push their products. It would be nice to have the system give you a choice of browser, search engine (Duck Duck Go anyone?) and an universal id instead of a Google one. As I understand, Android is not supposed to be owned by Google but by a consortium.

    111. Re:Meh by Compaqt · · Score: 1

      What's funny is the first time I saw the iPhone 5, it looks kind of like the Galaxy S3. No wonder Apple was trying to ban it.

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    112. Re:meh by dudpixel · · Score: 1

      huh? That argument is old now isn't it?

      http://www.businessinsider.com/samsung-shipped-twice-as-many-smartphones-as-apple-in-q3-2012-7

      Or are you comparing multiple iphone models with just one other phone model?

      You can always skew the data to say what you want.

      After all, Apple still makes more profit right? so they must still be winning.

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    113. Re:meh by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      You can have your choice of browser on Android, unlike iOS - install any you want, and you can set it as a default. Firefox and Opera are both in the app store.

    114. Re:meh by dudeman500 · · Score: 1

      holographic tupac meet holographic steve jobs

    115. Re:meh by psiclops · · Score: 1

      It would be nice to have the system give you a choice of browser.

      the google play store has many browsers

      search engine (Duck Duck Go anyone?)

      it also has many search engines, including Duck Duck Go

      and an universal id instead of a Google one.

      if you mean universal as in not related to google then you're actually making it less universal by removing the ability to link your id with other services such as gmail, gchat, google+ e.t.c.
      if you mean universal as in - also across non-android devices, that would require owners of other OS's to agree and also some way to work out what happens when someone buys a product from one app store and wants to use those apps on another device e.g. i buy a game on google play but then switch to an iPhone, as i have already purchased the game with my universal id i should then be able to get it for free on the apple app store (otherwise what would be the point of it being universal) however how does apple get their cut from the app?
      other issues for contacts would be that someone would have to store/own all your information for your universal ID which would then need to be shared accross all required parties.

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    116. Re:meh by Tom · · Score: 1

      Why do I have mod points a felt 90% of the time - just not when I really, really want them?

      Both of those comments deserve a +6 Funny.

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    117. Re:meh by bkk_diesel · · Score: 1

      It's French.

    118. Re:Meh by fwarren · · Score: 1

      I hope your right. I have a bonus coming in late November. So I am looking at early December to purchase 2 sub $300 tablets. Until October 26th there is no way to know if there is even a Windows RT tablet in that price range. My guess it there won't be a serious contender. With MS wanting $85 for an OEM copy of Windows 8 they would have to make a seriously underpowered system to hit that price point.

      As for the iPad Mini. Well Apple does announcemts in September and January. I just don't see them doing another big announcement in October. It is also a frightening portent if they do. Jobs swore on his grave that Apple would not make a smaller iPad. The minute Tim Cook does that, then it is a sign that Apple has deviated from whatever 5 year plan Steve has left for them. Which is to say, I expect them to start making misteps that will seriously impact the brand in 3 to 5 years.

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    119. Re:Meh by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Nevermind that Samsung also sued Apple.

      Key difference is that Apple was refusing to license some required patents for technology Samsung invented and made available under fair and equal terms to everyone. Apple's argument was that because the licensing cost was a percentage of the phone sale price it was too high for them. What most manufacturers do is cross-license their own patents in exchange and so end up paying nothing, but Apple doesn't share the few technology related patents it holds and the rest are bullshit design patents.

      The Apple lawsuits against Samsung might actually be an attempt to make their patents valuable so that in the event they are forced to pay Samsung and Motorola for technology patent licensing they have something to bargain with. As well as trying to disrupt the competition using their vast cash reserves. Apple are cash rich but (intellectual) property poor.

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    120. Re:meh by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Actually most 'average' people I know end up asking "why can't I run something like that?"

      Like what?

    121. Re:meh by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      That's a completely different herd. Only poor people buy Android phones.

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    122. Re:meh by Thumper_SVX · · Score: 1

      I fully anticipate that the two parties will now settle the Apple/Samsung lawsuit out of court by announcing a cross-licensing deal. Basically, as I suggested before the whole lawsuit was so that Apple could validate its position to strongarm Samsung into basically creating a "free licensing" deal for Apple to use the LTE tech in the iPhone 5. Welcome to the world of business lock-in by patent.

    123. Re:meh by cavebison · · Score: 1

      But Android has 80% of the market, right? How is buying an iPhone "going with the herd"?

      By the fact that buying an "Android phone" over an iPhone is like buying a PC over a Mac. You buy one that suits YOU. There are many different types of Android phone, some with different UI, all quite customisable. There is only one iPhone 5, and it works the same way for everyone.

    124. Re:meh by cavebison · · Score: 1

      So can you really say that you're going against a "herd mentality" by buying a product that has the marketshare lead?

      Buying an "Android phone" over an iPhone is like buying a PC over a Mac. You buy one that suits YOU. There are many different types of Android phone, some with different UI, all quite customisable. There is only one iPhone 5, and it works the same way for everyone. There's little "herdness" about Android, because of the large range of devices that use it.

    125. Re:meh by wisdom_brewing · · Score: 1

      Funny thing. In Hong Kong it's quite popular to buy an iPhone (fashion) and hack it to run Android (functionality). Heard that a few days back from one of my colleagues who used to live out there last year. Going there Saturday to check if that's true (not the main purpose of the trip obviously).

    126. Re:meh by wisdom_brewing · · Score: 1

      Exactly! Because all your music is only available on a GM stereo!

    127. Re:meh by wisdom_brewing · · Score: 1

      like a 720p video at the correct resolution? Seriously? WTF? I know you need the same horizontal resolution to run existing apps without a black box around the entire screen (ONLY on the sides when viewed sideways) but seriously, adopt to at least ONE standard!

    128. Re:meh by wisdom_brewing · · Score: 1

      Yes, Apple lets through ZERO malware... right... They do care more about malware, true, but they're still not perfect. I have hopes for the new blackberry OS but I doubt it will fly. Having a brain is more or less a requirement for someone who doesn't blindly buy Apple. It's the idiots who allow their machines/phones become infected, unfortunately for us it's the iditots who make up the mass market - this being slashdot I hope that people aren't too offended given that MOST of them are outside of that category.

    129. Re:meh by wisdom_brewing · · Score: 1

      And yes, it's possible to run a clean version of Windows. You just need to be fucking careful.

    130. Re:meh by wisdom_brewing · · Score: 1

      Ok, slightly chunky, but on amazon I can buy a battery for my Galaxy Nexus that last 3 days of active use for $20. If I'm travelling and run out of juice I can swap another one in. Not difficult.

    131. Re:meh by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      1) That isn't something you "run". OP was talking about one or more apps.

      2) Your complaint is one of someone looking at a spec sheet, not looking at a device. This is a mobile phone with pixels smaller than the eye can differentiate. No one is looking at an actual movie playing on that and complaining it's not 720p.

    132. Re:meh by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      Easiest answer? Every time I hit 'share' in any app and get a list of every app that knows how to share that file type.

      I can't just tweet from any app, I can post to Google Plus, Flickr or Instagram from anything that makes photos, I can share text from any app that has text to any other app directly. I can tap the share icon on Youtube and get a list of sharing apps that weren't known about when Android came out, because the API allows any app to register itself as a target. I can click on a photo and get a list of all the photo handling programs I have installed without launching one directly, and I can stream video over SMB from a Windows share to a video player through a file manager that knows nothing of the video software in question.

      Of course, I can also see the most recent several E-mails I got in my notification bar, or click hang-up directly from the same bar while talking on my phone with the third party navigation running in the foreground and automated photo uploading running in the background. And yes, I've had numerous people ask me about how I use my phone as a video recorder while driving in the background.

      Lots of these things are doable on other platforms, its the fact that any app can work with any other app directly on Android, without exiting and changing programs explicitly, without saving files in between, just by clicking a button because "Intents" exist. There are lots more, but explaining every single neat feature of Android isn't really necessary. You could just investigate for yourself, but you've chosen not to, so I can only presume you'll ignore any valid point I make and continue believing what you believe now.

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    133. Re:meh by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      You obviously haven't acquainted yourself with a recent iOS device, because for most of that I thought you were actually describing iOS. The things you list are NOT deficiencies of iOS. It can do most of that - there will be exceptions, because you're specifically describing Android feature, but equally there are features of iPhone that don't exist in Android.

  2. Looks nice so far by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Looks nice so far. I'm glad that it has just a slightly larger size and not something ridiculous like some of the Android phones.

    1. Re:Looks nice so far by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      yes, when you only get one choice it's nice if it aligns somewhat with your preferences.

      don't know what those silly Android folks are thinking with making lots of different styles and shapes. how does anyone know what they are supposed to want?

    2. Re:Looks nice so far by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's simple really, iPhones are for skinny people who wear tight pants in order show off their junk. Droids are for IT fatboys who still wear cargo pants.

    3. Re:Looks nice so far by MachDelta · · Score: 5, Funny

      Even better, they could combine the "SS" with the new "Lightning" connector, and shape the S's like lightning bolts! Think about how cool would that be! ... what?

    4. Re:Looks nice so far by blind+biker · · Score: 1

      Even better, they could combine the "SS" with the new "Lightning" connector, and shape the S's like lightning bolts! Think about how cool would that be! ... what?

      The model destined to the Indian market could be decorated with swastikas.

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    5. Re:Looks nice so far by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      LMOL

    6. Re:Looks nice so far by Lifyre · · Score: 1

      To be perfectly honest it's not really "in" the cargo pants...

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    7. Re:Looks nice so far by Zappy · · Score: 1

      Yes, but will it run JB, or is it ICS?

    8. Re:Looks nice so far by SA_Democrat · · Score: 1

      That's ubergruppenfuehrer son, try to keep up.

    9. Re:Looks nice so far by the_B0fh · · Score: 1

      Why would India want a swastika laden phone?

      Or did you perhaps mean http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sauwastika

      Apparently the old addage about a little knowledge being dangerous is true.

    10. Re:Looks nice so far by blind+biker · · Score: 1

      Why would India want a swastika laden phone?

      Or did you perhaps mean http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sauwastika [wikipedia.org]

      Apparently the old addage about a little knowledge being dangerous is true.

      Wait a minute; you get all high and mighty because I supposedly mispelled "swastika"? And then go off with a "a little knowledge is dangerous"?

      So here is the correct spelling, Mr. screwhead:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika

      Oh, right, turns out I didn't miss-spell it after all.

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    11. Re:Looks nice so far by the_B0fh · · Score: 1

      forgive me. For a second, I thought you weren't an idiot, and was talking about the reverse swastika, which was a buddhist/hindu religious symbol.

      If you *were* talking about the swastika - the Nazi symbol, then you're a bigger asshole and idiot than I thought.

    12. Re:Looks nice so far by Markdavie · · Score: 1

      They must have forgot what SS means... leave that to the international marketing team to sort out. Mark at RDA

  3. Oh yeah?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But but, Steve Jesus Jobs said "3.5 inch was the MOST PERFECT EVAAAR phone size"... and all you fanbois were falling over each other bashing Samsung and Android for large screen size. whatever happened to that????

    1. Re:Oh yeah?? by Algae_94 · · Score: 1, Informative

      We will never again hear those people's ridiculous theories that 3.5" is the perfect screen size. Unfortunately, they will find something equally lame to drone on about.

    2. Re:Oh yeah?? by DickBreath · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Steve Jesus Jobs also one year said that nobody wanted multitasking on a phone. The crowd cheered.

      Next year, the iMessiah introduced multitasking on the iPhone. But it has sucky "badges" to annoy and interrupt you.

      Next year, the great prophet showed a new notification system with a notification bar at the top that could be pulled down to reveal a tray of notifications from various apps that wanted your attention. Wow, what magic will Apple think of next!

      In another year, I don't remember which one, Steve the great profit, er, um. . . I mean prophet, said that "7 inch tablets are dead on arrival". The crowd cheered.

      One great thing about the iPhone is perpetual continuous warranty coverage forever and ever. Amen. Warranty lasts until next year when next product is announced. Therefore the iFaithful have continuous coverage. (Unless you're a heretic!)

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    3. Re:Oh yeah?? by fermion · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, no one can escape buzzword compliance. It was one of the intangible advantages to moving to the Intel platform. Processor speed numbers became more comparable, so you were not comparing 666mhz PPC to a 1 GHZ x86. Of course we now have the question of how much faster a core duo has to be to equal an i7. So I would say that the 4" is going to cause more problems than it is worth, initially, and a taller phone is going to suck. But we will get used to it, and some people are going to like it.

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    4. Re:Oh yeah?? by ifiwereasculptor · · Score: 2

      FOR YOUR SINS against uninteroperability!

    5. Re:Oh yeah?? by rjejr · · Score: 1

      Steve Jobs also said you would need sandpaper for your fingers for a 7" iPad screen, and Apple just came out with a 2 1/2" multitouch screen!!!! A two and a half inch multitouch screen. Maybe the iPad mini will have a 1" screen.

    6. Re:Oh yeah?? by Auntie+Virus · · Score: 3, Funny

      But it has sucky "badges" to annoy and interrupt you.

      Badges? BADGES? We don't need no steenkin' badges!!

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    7. Re:Oh yeah?? by s73v3r · · Score: 1

      Or it just could be that the current implementations of those things sucked major ass at the time, and they decided to focus their limited efforts onto things which they could do well, instead of half-assing a bunch of features to check some boxes on a marketer's list.

    8. Re:Oh yeah?? by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      But it has sucky "badges" to annoy and interrupt you.

      What are you talking about? A badge, in Apple terms (perhaps this use predates it, I honestly don't know), refers to another image put on top of an icon to convey information, e.g. a number on top of a Mail icon to show how many new messages you have without having to go into Mail.

      It is impossible for them to "interrupt" you, so you must be talking about something else entirely.

    9. Re:Oh yeah?? by Botia · · Score: 1

      But but, Steve Jesus Jobs said "3.5 inch was the MOST PERFECT EVAAAR phone size"... and all you fanbois were falling over each other bashing Samsung and Android for large screen size. whatever happened to that????

      This changes everything.

    10. Re:Oh yeah?? by MikeBabcock · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Umm, it was made bigger just to be made bigger obviously, otherwise it wouldn't be bigger at all.

      Also, jeez, took them long enough to hit that 16:9 ratio for a device that brags about its media savvy.

      You know what's awesome? The look on an iPhone user's face when you hand them a Galaxy Nexus with its 4.7" screen and they suddenly realize that more screen real estate actually can fit in your hand and does look better.

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    11. Re:Oh yeah?? by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1

      To be fair, fans of any platform do that. "We don't need X". "Hey we have X, it's the BEST IMPLEMENTATION EVAR"!
      For APple that includes copy/paste, multitasking, good notifcations.
      For RIM it was 10s of thousands of apps in the app store, email on the playbook
      For Android: good email, good UI, good security model... oh wait, we're still waiting for all that.
      For WP it's more than 3 users.

      Etc.

      Still you get the point. It's all perspective. People who identify with one brand are not so different as they'd like to think from those who identify with a different brand.

    12. Re:Oh yeah?? by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      One thing to keep in mind is that the phone is still the same width. So you can actually hit most of the buttons with one hand.

    13. Re:Oh yeah?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You really shouldn't believe your wife about such things.

      Shit, I promised her I wouldn't tell.

    14. Re:Oh yeah?? by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      Your wife is just saying that to not make you feel inadequate ;-)

    15. Re:Oh yeah?? by Man+On+Pink+Corner · · Score: 1

      What Apple is missing is a couple of demographic points:

      1) Older people have more money to spend on expensive smartphones.

      2) For older people, readability is more important for "ergonomics" than the hands.

      3) The competition's phones are wider. As a result, they're slightly harder to control, and much easier to read.

      Few people wanted a longer iPhone. Many people wanted a wider one. This was a mistake on Apple's part, "less space than a Nomad" snark notwithstanding.

    16. Re:Oh yeah?? by Cederic · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, I'm confused. Where's the link between telephone dimensions and a healthy happy homosexual relationship?

    17. Re:Oh yeah?? by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      I never said it was "new and amazing", I just clarified that there's no way it can interrupt you.

    18. Re:Oh yeah?? by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      Turn it 90 degrees. Voila.. Wider phone.

      (I already do that on my 4S to read some web pages..)

    19. Re:Oh yeah?? by bobbyjack · · Score: 1

      Older people have more money to spend on expensive smartphones.

      But they have a lot less time in which to buy countless revisions of said smartphones. That younger market will grow up and have money of its own, and you must have noticed how Apple customers tend to be quite fanatical^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H loyal...

    20. Re:Oh yeah?? by smash · · Score: 1

      7 inch tablets were dead on arrival. apple making one that works won't change that.

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    21. Re:Oh yeah?? by Man+On+Pink+Corner · · Score: 1

      ROFL.... good point, I guess I'm "holding it wrong."

      Galaxy Nexus ordered, should be here Monday.

    22. Re:Oh yeah?? by Guy+Harris · · Score: 1

      Here have some more faggot!

      No, thanks, four faggots was enough for dinner.

    23. Re:Oh yeah?? by Clsid · · Score: 1

      I don't know. I'm still using my iPhone 3G and I'll keep using it until I replace it either with a Nokia Lumia or an iPhone 5. The only other phone that I ever had that lasted for so long was a Motorola Razr.

      But I agree with you, Jobs was an amazing marketing guy. He could probably convince a lot of people that the sky is green.

    24. Re:Oh yeah?? by 4pins · · Score: 1

      But but, Steve Jesus Jobs said "3.5 inch was the MOST PERFECT EVAAAR phone size"... and all you fanbois were falling over each other bashing Samsung and Android for large screen size. whatever happened to that????

      First, Steve is no longer here to save us from ourselves.

      Second, what is most interesting to me is how little it changed (still the same width).

      Third, given the resulting aspect ratio this tweak seems to have been done for the benefit of media playback.

      Fourth, all the apps still work and the black bars (which I am not thrilled about, I was hoping for a multitasking interface that was always up except when playing 16:9 content) are just like the ones I see on my HDTV.

      The result is that I am much more comfortable with the resulting "new screen size" than I expected. However I still think it will be slightly less usable, just look at these arcs.

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    25. Re:Oh yeah?? by wisdom_brewing · · Score: 1

      Yep, and not only that, they didn't even go with 720p! If they went with 1080 i would have been impressed. And MAYBE bought the phone.

    26. Re:Oh yeah?? by wisdom_brewing · · Score: 1

      Idiot. Know many people that went with the Galaxy Note just because of the screen size (though crappy resolution for that screen size). Fits it suit pocket. Over 50 with sight issues and can READ what's on the screen! Important!

    27. Re:Oh yeah?? by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      I use my Nexus one-handed nearly all the time, and I don't have big hands.

      Also, the voice recognition is so good, I rarely have to thumb type at all. Google voice input is really very good.

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  4. post-PC world you can't code on ios and the scree by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    post-PC world you can't code on ios and the screen is to small to do big typing / excel type work.

  5. Re:Every time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    This. Slashdot stories are frequently months or even years after the event. Why the sudden urgency?

  6. your UID is safe by zlives · · Score: 1

    "Rob Murray from EA"

  7. Compared to 128x768 on the new BlackBerry by accessbob · · Score: 1, Interesting
    1. Re:Compared to 128x768 on the new BlackBerry by s73v3r · · Score: 1

      I would probably care if there was anything worthwhile on the Blackberry platform, both in terms of devices and apps.

    2. Re:Compared to 128x768 on the new BlackBerry by ravenscar · · Score: 1

      Screen resolution isn't going to fix BlackBerry. You could give it the highest resolution ever and it would still suck. I say this as a user who uses Android ICS, iOS, and BlackBerry devices every day. Granted, BB 10 might introduce some really cool stuff that allows it to compete with the iPhone 5, but higher resolution isn't it.

    3. Re:Compared to 128x768 on the new BlackBerry by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      It might run Android when rooted ;-)

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    4. Re:Compared to 128x768 on the new BlackBerry by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      1280x768 (or x720) has been in use for Android devices for almost a year now. Starting with Galaxy Nexus, if I remember correctly.

    5. Re:Compared to 128x768 on the new BlackBerry by accessbob · · Score: 1

      Which is the point I was making - the new resolution is nothing special. BB10 is so late it's already looking middle-aged and it still has better vertical resolution than the iPhone 5 and almost as good horizontally. As for the whole "make it taller" thing, again its been on BB10 for a while. BB10s UI is specifically optimized for UI controls in the lower 2/3 of the screen to improve usability. So again, not actually a new idea. Thanks to RIMs' incompetence iPhone 5 is first to market, but it's nothing new. Maybe there are other aspects of the new iPhone that are worth shouting about, but the screen resolution and UI optimizations aren't.

    6. Re:Compared to 128x768 on the new BlackBerry by mug+funky · · Score: 1

      if the display is anything like the 4S and iPad, its colour accuracy is deliberately hobbled to make your hipstamatic crap look better.

      that said, it's amoung the best screens in it's class (the samsungs are pretty damn good too).

      try do colour critical work and see just how bad screens are.

      i don't colour grade on ipads of course, but when i see my work on them i want to scream.

  8. Yawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    iPhone whatever...but will it blend?

  9. Apple can't use LTE by meridien · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Where are the lawyers from Samsung when you need them?

    1. Re:Apple can't use LTE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They are on their way, considering Samsung holds over 800 LTE patents.

    2. Re:Apple can't use LTE by cplusplus · · Score: 1

      Where are the lawyers from Samsung when you need them?

      At a courthouse, filing a lawsuit as I type this, that will seek an injunction barring the import of the new iPhone 5?

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    3. Re:Apple can't use LTE by Idbar · · Score: 4, Informative

      And, I have had the "breakthrough" panorama capability in my Samsung Galaxy S for 2+ years already.

    4. Re:Apple can't use LTE by rasmusbr · · Score: 4, Funny

      Samsung jumped the gun with that one. Apple wisely waited for the key breakthrough, the one that makes the ocean look bluer and your kids look happier.

    5. Re:Apple can't use LTE by oji-sama · · Score: 1

      Well, it's not exactly penta-band LTE anyway...

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    6. Re:Apple can't use LTE by Urza9814 · · Score: 1

      I had it in my Canon Powershot SX100IS....six years ago? Something like that...

      Putting a camera in a phone? Yea, I'd call that innovative or breakthrough. Adding features to that camera which dedicated cameras have probably had for over a decade (pretty sure my Canon wasn't the first, _they_ never claimed it was "breakthrough" -- hell it was right up there with 'red-eye reduction' on their features list) isn't. That's so obscenely obvious you probably couldn't even patent it in the US ;)

    7. Re:Apple can't use LTE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      LTE was almost certainly adopted by carriers with the expectation that it would be licensed under RAND terms. Apple has always paid for their licenses, so LTE shouldn't be any different. The only problems occur when those companies expect Apple to cross license with them rather than simply paying the license fee.

    8. Re:Apple can't use LTE by Mr_Silver · · Score: 1

      Where are the lawyers from Samsung when you need them?

      Last time I bought chips from Qualcomm, all associated license and patent payments had already been handled by Qualcomm and included as part of the per chip fee.

      Assuming this still happens (it was a while ago), I cannot see how Samsung will succeed.

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    9. Re:Apple can't use LTE by Matheus · · Score: 1

      Yeah... that's been a standard feature of Android for a while now... I use it a lot. Honestly Apple making a big deal about it is essentially them advertising how cool Android was before them. The Tim Cook era looks promising!

    10. Re:Apple can't use LTE by erroneus · · Score: 1

      Yes, but does the Qualcomm patent list "...in a mobile phone or computing device"? I didn't think so.

    11. Re:Apple can't use LTE by dave420 · · Score: 1

      It's called "just deserts".

    12. Re:Apple can't use LTE by rasmusbr · · Score: 1

      Well, I wasn't exactly on the edge of my seat with a bowl of popcorn, but I kept this page open in a tab during the presentation. I love how they've created and tailored a web interface that flips through the photos in synchronization with their commentary of what's being said.

    13. Re:Apple can't use LTE by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1

      It's called "just deserts".

      On a horse with no name?

    14. Re:Apple can't use LTE by Compaqt · · Score: 1

      Well, on the one hand you have hard-core, sciency patents

      and on the other you have

      -some software-based GUI stuff which many high-schoolers and probably almost all comsci grads could do
      -some design cues taken from others
      -patenting the real inventor of the touchpad's invention (the Knight-Ridder professor)

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    15. Re:Apple can't use LTE by Nivag064 · · Score: 2

      Clearly this is a blatant copying of Apple's iPhone 5, not withstanding it was done more than a year earlier.

      You must realise that if people do things like Apple does, then it is a copy of Apple - regardless of their order in time.

      After all Apple is innovative, they thought of rounded corners, nobody else could have thought about that independently!

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    16. Re:Apple can't use LTE by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      The whole launch was a joke. The Galaxy S 3 has a faster CPU, faster GPU, higher resolution screen which all apps scale to nicely, better maps and navigation, numerous "passbook" apps that have been around for years, NFC, better battery life and does everything that the new Lightning connector does only with standard micro USB. Oh, and it has a micro SD slot, so no paying £100 for 16GB of storage.

      Until now Apple could legitimately claim to have made some real advances with every iPhone, doing stuff no-one else does. All the managed to do here is play catch-up to other manufacturers and downgrade their mapping software. Oh, and figured out how to charge £25 for a new adapter cable.

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  10. Not unusual or new for Slashdot by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

    Slashdot stories are frequently months or even years after the event. Why the sudden urgency?

    Its not "sudden urgency." Slashdot stories are also frequently during the event, too.

    Slashdot is remarkably inconsistent in terms of the timing, quality, and viewpoint of stories. But there is nothing new about this, or unusual about this story in that regard; it falls well within Slashdot's usual range of variation.

  11. Or even 1280x768 on the new BlackBerry by accessbob · · Score: 4, Funny

    I blame my Mac keyboard, it knows what I'm typing...

  12. Post-PC world? by theswimmingbird · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What kills me is that people are going to eat that shit up. They don't realize that they hold a PC in their hand which just so happens to have a phone app. My first computer had an AMD k6-2 300mhz processor (I'm 22, see UID), and I was astounded when I realized my OG Droid had double the compute power. It only took a decade for that to go from being the latest and greatest to being in the palm of your hand being used for fart apps. Tegra games already rival the current-gen consoles in terms of graphics.

    PCs aren't dead, they're better than they ever have been before.

    In other news, Steve Jobs shits his grave knowing his precious screens are used to display black bars.

    1. Re:Post-PC world? by Hatta · · Score: 3, Insightful

      PCs have always been general purpose computers. The iPhone is not.

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    2. Re:Post-PC world? by Algae_94 · · Score: 1

      UID and age don't have a strong correlation.

    3. Re:Post-PC world? by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      By that measure, my ipad/ipod/iphone/htc hd2/apple tv are PCs... which is false.. because PC means "personal computer".
      It's not a cover-all for anything with a processor faster than an abacus.

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    4. Re:Post-PC world? by lexman098 · · Score: 3, Informative

      They don't realize that they hold a PC in their hand which just so happens to have a phone app.

      They don't want a PC in their hand. It's scary complicated.

    5. Re:Post-PC world? by dstyle5 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "think before you speak."

      Login before you post.

    6. Re:Post-PC world? by Cinder6 · · Score: 1

      My phone is far more "personal" than my PC has ever been.

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    7. Re:Post-PC world? by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      Are you saying that Steve Jobs knew every app that would be written for the iPhone when he released it? No? Then it is a general purpose computer.

    8. Re:Post-PC world? by Hatta · · Score: 2

      If you have an iOS development account, it's a general purpose computer. If you don't, it's an appliance.

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    9. Re:Post-PC world? by H0p313ss · · Score: 1

      If you have an iOS development account, it's a general purpose computer. If you don't, it's an appliance.

      You can make the same argument for any computer, for my parents and most of siblings all computers are appliances.

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    10. Re:Post-PC world? by Kjella · · Score: 2, Insightful

      To average users that's like arguing about a monolithic kernel or microkernel is best, they don't care. They want applications and the iPhone got apps for practically everything which in the public eye makes it a "general purpose" computer. Around here the perception is that Apple's walled garden is like being trapped in Gitmo, but to most people it's the size of the US - most people don't have or want a passport to go outside. Many of them don't mind putting it all on iCloud so Apple can store and sync it for them, they just don't want to manage their own systems. I'll just repeat that for the "you can pry my root password from my cold dead hands" crowd here at Slashdot, they don't want to. And in all honesty if I wasn't tech-savvy I'd probably pick Apple too over bugging friends, family, the neighborhood kid or geeksquad.

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    11. Re:Post-PC world? by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      It doesn't try at anything. It only does with Apple allows its users to do. Welcome to the walled garden where many apps get whacked with the banhammer.

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    12. Re:Post-PC world? by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Yes, yes they are. For most people a smartphone is all they ever need. Email, browse the web, listen to music, watch video, play insipid little games. Why would you need a computer?

      The other side of it is business is very mobile. People need to travel and have access to their information. Laptops are big, bulky and in many case not practical. You're smart phone on the other hand is small and easy to take with you anywhere.

      You need to understand what they mean by post pc grandpa.

    13. Re:Post-PC world? by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Really? wow...

    14. Re:Post-PC world? by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      You mean one of those accounts you can get for free?

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    15. Re:Post-PC world? by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      Your making a circular argument. It is OK that they cripple the device because it is an appliance. It is an appliance because they cripple the device. Apple has advertised that it is a general purpose device. They didn't advertise "Here are the specific things you can do on the device." They advertised "There is an app for that." in reference to there being an application for any general activity you would want to do.

    16. Re:Post-PC world? by StikyPad · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Uh, yes. It is. An iPhone is a general purpose computer in a handheld form factor.

      Keep in mind that a general-purpose computer is distinct from an ASIC (application-specific integrated controller), where the former is programmable and the latter is not (except when it is).

      But even beyond that, an iPhone bears all the hallmarks of a PC: a CPU, RAM, persistent storage, run dynamic modern OSes, and allow various input/output devices to be connected. In fact, general purpose computers are becoming so cheap and effective that they're showing up in more and more cases where ASICs may have been used in the past, because it costs a lot less to write software than to design and build an ASIC.

      The distinction between a "smart phone" and a PC is almost exclusively one of marketing.

    17. Re:Post-PC world? by WilyCoder · · Score: 1

      iOS is such a dynamic OS that it doesn't let you dynamically link to libraries in your app. Four legs good, two legs bad.

    18. Re:Post-PC world? by yurtinus · · Score: 1

      ...it's not designed to go up there

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    19. Re:Post-PC world? by yacc143 · · Score: 1

      Well, actually this applies to all "appliance"-style devices, that DOES include Androids, just because I can root it, I don't need to. The difference is, that for many devices rooting is not actively discouraged, while Apple continues the battle on each iteration for control of my device.

      And while the walled garden might big, it's still calibrated mostly on "what does not cause trouble in the bible belt", which for an European is only slightly better the Saudi definition of acceptable. Wonder if Apple censors would allow an app that explains evolution into iTunes?

    20. Re:Post-PC world? by StripedCow · · Score: 4, Insightful

      An iPhone is a general purpose computer

      Nope. With the artificial restrictions that Apple places on the device, it is certainly not general purpose.

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    21. Re:Post-PC world? by sl149q · · Score: 1

      So if I have VisualStudio installed on my Windows system it is a general purpose computer, otherwise it is an appliance?

      Or for (any of) my Linux systems, without GCC they are just appliances (well in fact some of them probably are, but lets talk desktop systems here!)

    22. Re:Post-PC world? by Waccoon · · Score: 1

      I think "general purpose" refers to capabilities, not potential.

      Jailbreak it, and then you can talk general purpose.

    23. Re:Post-PC world? by GlenRaphael · · Score: 1

      You can get the account for free, but that only lets you try things out in emulation on a Mac. You can't try out your own iOS apps on your own phone without paying Apple $99/year.

      Oh, and if you manage to publish an app in the Apple Store, you have to keep paying the $99/year for as long as you want it to stay there. If you let your subscription lapse, your apps are removed from the store and if you renew you have to go through the whole approval process again. :-(

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    24. Re:Post-PC world? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      the iPhone got apps for practically everything which in the public eye makes it a "general purpose" computer.

      Except anything Apple doesn't like, such as Flash, many emulators, BitTorrent, anything Jobs morally objected to like scantily dressed women, the desktop widgets that Android and Windows Phone users love, most quality open source software... They may not understand why, but most iPhone users I talked to seem to have realized that there is some stuff on other phones they just can't have.

      People are not as clueless as you think. They understand when they are restricted from, say, copying music off their phone onto someone else's PC or phone. Especially when their general purpose PC can do it, and their friends PC can do it.

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    25. Re:Post-PC world? by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      "UID and age don't have a strong correlation." by Algae_94 (2017070)

      You must be new here.

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    26. Re:Post-PC world? by cavebison · · Score: 1

      The distinction between a "smart phone" and a PC is almost exclusively one of marketing.

      That's ridiculous. You're saying a small, hand-held device, with a tiny screen, limited physical connectivity, limited peripherals, not even USB or upgradeable memory in many cases; a device you can only run a small subset of programs on, simply from a practical, usability standpoint is "mainly a distinction of marketing"?

      Post-PC era my arse. Wake me up when I can use Photoshop, SAP, Office, Cubase Audio or Visual Studio on my phone - or my tablet for that matter. Oh and can connect a proper monitor to it, so I don't have to squint - and real keyboard, and maybe hook a mouse to it, so I can work properly when sitting at a desk. And be able to transfer files to any other device I use, and and play all those cool new games... THEN I'll agree it's the post-PC era.

    27. Re:Post-PC world? by TummyX · · Score: 1

      A phone is not a PC. Post-PC means Post-Laptop and Post-Desktop as the primary way people interact with computers. Which will be true for most people except developers.

    28. Re:Post-PC world? by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      You can argue that they're using a general-purpose computer in an application-specific setting. It's a weak argument, but it can be made. But saying that it's not a general-purpose computer because it's locked down is like saying a car is not a car when it has a boot on it.

  13. Re:Still not HD? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    For a company that wants to be seen as being on the leading edge they could have at least tried competing with the GS3.

    Samsung must be laughing their asses off.
    Galaxy s3 all the way baby, the iPhone 5 is a lemon.

  14. An innovative 5th row of icons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    My T-Mobile G1 has 5 rows of icons. I expect Apple will sue HTC and win over this innovation that HTC obviously stole years ago.

    1. Re:An innovative 5th row of icons by blind+biker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I expect Apple will sue HTC and win

      In the US, they would.

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    2. Re:An innovative 5th row of icons by CaptainLard · · Score: 1

      Or they can just release the iphone6 with 6 rows of icons ahead of schedule. The real fireworks will come with the iphone10 comes out with rows of icons that go to ELEVEN. Samsung probably won't be able to release the Galaxy S X in time to file the patent and their rows of icons just won't have that extra little bit that you need sometimes. Maybe they can just make row 10 bigger and make that the last one....nahh best just leave it to the lawyers.

  15. remember when slashdot was good?! by Thud457 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Won't wirelessly stream video to my HDTV

    less storage than the Library of Congress

    Lame.

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    1. Re:remember when slashdot was good?! by Kupfernigk · · Score: 4, Funny
      • No NFC
      • Smaller screen than the competition
      • Yet another non-standard socket
      • Still requires the sacrifice of your firstborn
      • Less storage than a SAN

      Lame. But lots and lots of people will buy it.

      Still, Thorsten Heins at RIM is probably breathing huge sighs of relief. I don't know what the CEO of Nokia does, as I've never really studied vampires.

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    2. Re:remember when slashdot was good?! by schlachter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Irony is that it CAN wirelessly stream video to your HDTV. Still funny though.

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    3. Re:remember when slashdot was good?! by semi-extrinsic · · Score: 2

      I know it's a joke, but Current gen iOS devices already do this with AppleTV or AirPlay enabled devices.

      Obligatory pedantism: he said HDTV, which means neither an AppleTV or an AirPlay enabled device. This is actually another thing that Apple does the proprietary way, no way they could just support DLNA like the rest of the electronics world. You have to buy yet another iDevice in order to stream content to your TV, which probably already has streaming support that you've payed for but can't use with Apple.

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    4. Re:remember when slashdot was good?! by s73v3r · · Score: 1

      In order to do that, the TV would have to support DLNA. Mine does not. So his point is pretty worthless for me.

    5. Re:remember when slashdot was good?! by medcalf · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure RIM will be breathing sighs of relief over this. Yeah, it's an incremental update, but it makes the device faster and a lot of people will latch onto the larger display as a good thing. (I'm not so sure; more screen is generally good, but it all depends on how it feels in the hand, given that it's a specifically hand-held device.) Basically, this thing is going to outsell all of RIM's portfolio by a large factor, even though it's only incremental. For people still on the iPhone 4 (instead of the 4S), it's a huge leap in functionality, and there are tens of millions of those people.

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    6. Re:remember when slashdot was good?! by snowraver1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      About the screen, they mentioned that older software will be letterboxed, but what about new software for older devices? One of the great things about the iphone was the unified ecosystem. This seems to fragment it a little more.

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    7. Re:remember when slashdot was good?! by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      I know it's a joke, but Current gen iOS devices already do this with AppleTV or AirPlay enabled devices.

      Obligatory pedantism: he said HDTV, which means neither an AppleTV or an AirPlay enabled device. This is actually another thing that Apple does the proprietary way, no way they could just support DLNA like the rest of the electronics world. You have to buy yet another iDevice in order to stream content to your TV, which probably already has streaming support that you've payed for but can't use with Apple.

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      If Apple would include the functionality into iOS, people here would complain that they were strangling third party developers.

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    8. Re:remember when slashdot was good?! by semi-extrinsic · · Score: 1

      Are you saying that your TV has different specs than great-GP's TV? I'm shocked! Regardless of your TV, or his, or mine ( 28" CRT, no DLNA here either), I believe the point is that quite a few TVs support DLNA, and none support AirPlay.

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    9. Re:remember when slashdot was good?! by medcalf · · Score: 1, Interesting

      There may be a few apps that end up requiring the extra screen space to be useful, but I doubt there will be many. (And most of those will be where the developers were being too clever by half with their interface.) For example, I'm teaching my son to program, and he's building an iPhone app. For him, there will need to be an if/else in applicationDidFinishLaunching that determines the screen height, which would then be used to set the height of list views and scroll views and such. Other than that, no changes needed, and it works perfectly fine on all of the standard iPhone screen sizes. He'd have to do this anyway (and with width) when he gets around to putting in iPad support, so it's actually no extra work to get it looking right on all three display sizes (or four, when the mini comes out).

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    10. Re:remember when slashdot was good?! by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      In fact the only feature I see that it has that's different from every Android device on the market right now is the sapphire crystal lens cover (which adds scratch resistance for those who care).

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    11. Re:remember when slashdot was good?! by lazybeam · · Score: 1

      But not via DLNA like other devices!

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    12. Re:remember when slashdot was good?! by dgatwood · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If the only difference is the size of a single view, the technique you describe might make sense. Usually, that isn't the case, though, so as a rule, manipulating view sizes in code is a bad way to design an iPad app.

      When adding iPad support to an app, you typically provide a separate NIB file (a file that describes the size, location, and resizing behavior of windows and views) for the larger screen size so that you don't do any view resizing in code at all. In that iPad-sized NIB file, you either make your views a different size or add additional views to take up the extra space (or, more commonly, both), depending on your needs.

      I have no idea which technique will be adopted by folks developing software for iPhone 5.

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    13. Re:remember when slashdot was good?! by Shadowmist · · Score: 1, Insightful

      • No NFC
      • .

      If I find NFC on any phone I buy, my first action will be to turn it off and weld it shut. Last thing I need is to get robbed by an NFC scanner in a public crowd.

    14. Re:remember when slashdot was good?! by Jerslan · · Score: 1

      If Apple follows their previous patterns, most apps that use native API's will probably just need to be recompiled after some minimal work (flipping a switch in InterfaceBuilder or ProjectSettings or something) to become universal (ie: a table view would display more rows). It's a little extra vertical space, so it shouldn't be too hard to work in somehow.

    15. Re:remember when slashdot was good?! by Mike+Buddha · · Score: 4, Funny

      This seems to fragment it a little more.

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    16. Re:remember when slashdot was good?! by thoughtlover · · Score: 4, Informative

      Ok, dumb-dumb, you're mixing up NFC with RFID.

      No he's not. Disabling the NFC chip, if possible, is the second thing I'd do if I was forced to own a phone that had such functionality -first, I'd not buy one. RFID was a precursor to NFC. It's main benefit is two-way communications, not just one-way.

      NFC standards cover communications protocols and data exchange formats, and are based on existing radio-frequency identification (RFID) standards including ISO/IEC 14443 and FeliCa.[3] The standards include ISO/IEC 18092[4] and those defined by the NFC Forum, which was founded in 2004 by Nokia, Philips and Sony, and now has more than 160 members. The Forum also promotes NFC and certifies device compliance.[5]
      NFC builds upon RFID systems by allowing two-way communication between endpoints, where earlier systems such as contactless smart cards were one-way only.[6] Since unpowered NFC "tags" can also be read by NFC devices,[2] it is also capable of replacing earlier one-way applications.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_field_communication

      Besides, as we use these little computers (with cellphone functionality, attached), we can expect our information on them to be compromised through many vectors. If I were Apple, I'd have made sure that all personally identifying info (contacts list, notes, browser history, etc) on the iPhone was encrypted out of the box. No app could take data from any other app if they were secured with powerful encryption. I'm not a Luddite, but I'm at the point where I'm giving up my iPhone for a cheap Motorola clamshell. I just don't need all those 'bells and whistles', nor the headaches from losing my entire checking account to someone with a sniffer in a crowd... nor the poor service from AT&T, inconsistent billing, and their iPhone tax.

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    17. Re:remember when slashdot was good?! by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      About the screen, they mentioned that older software will be letterboxed, but what about new software for older devices?

      Being compatible with 2 screen sizes isn't difficult, and no doubt will be a requirement for getting the app past the app store reviewers.

    18. Re:remember when slashdot was good?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Obligatory pedantism

      Pedantry

    19. Re:remember when slashdot was good?! by Scowler · · Score: 1

      You think Qualcomm would be dumb enough to build and sell a product that their customers could not use in their end products?

    20. Re:remember when slashdot was good?! by afgam28 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Not too long ago, iPhone developers used to complain about how fragmented the Android market was. One iOS developer told me that it was much easier to develop for the Apple ecosystem because there was a standard resolution on all screens, but you never knew what an Android phone's screen would look like. Android developers had to worry about difficult concepts like density- and scale-indepdendent pixels, whereas Apple "made it easy for developers".

      Now, there are a multitude of iOS screen sizes: the original iPhone (and 3G/3GS), the retina iPhones, now the tall-screen iPhone 5, the iPad 1 and 2, the retina iPad and maybe soon the iPad mini. And because so many iOS developers have assumed the "standard" screen size, they have to resort to hacks like letterboxing old apps.

      I wonder if this factored in to the decision to maintain the horizontal screen width. If all iOS apps sported true resolution independence, would they have kept the same aspect ratio rather than going to 16:9?

    21. Re:remember when slashdot was good?! by biovoid · · Score: 1

      New software should be coded in a way that handles variable vertical resolution - i.e. liquid layout. The iOS6 SDK supports this. Most screen designs have a scrollable area than can easily be made variable height, while locking elements to the top or bottom. It's still not as big a deal as supporting the multitude of Android resolutions.

    22. Re:remember when slashdot was good?! by guruevi · · Score: 1

      The great thing is (for developers) that the 3G -> 4S versions of the phone have the same screen dimensions and proportions and same goes for iPad. You can simply give greater detail in the retina displays by adding higher res artwork but that will be automatically a lower res version for the older versions. Also iPhone apps run on the iPad by simply doubling the size of the pixels. The 5 has a letterbox mode which will allow the developers to keep their apps running at the same size if they so incline but it gives them a little extra space where needed. Also, the development environment has the ability to add springs and struts to automatically resize your app to the desired screen size (such as for use on Mac OS X). It is possible to make a single app, a single interface and have it compile for all Apple platforms or a single app that has multiple interfaces for the different platforms.

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    23. Re:remember when slashdot was good?! by guruevi · · Score: 1

      AES encryption has been there by default since the 3GS and requires the entry of your keycode (which can be set to alphanumeric) before the filesystem is unlocked. Law enforcement is having major "issues" getting to data on the iPhone.

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    24. Re:remember when slashdot was good?! by guruevi · · Score: 1

      DLNA is a proprietary format by Sony/Microsoft and requires certification. I don't know any open source applications with DLNA receiver support (XBMC can access (pull) media on certain DLNA devices but I can't send (push) anything to it).

      DAAP is a proprietary format by Apple but has been implemented by several open source applications because the availability of the libraries. XBMC can both access (pull) and receive (push) DAAP content, it actually shows up as a legitimate AirPlay device in iTunes, iOS devices and Mountain Lion's Screen Sharing.

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    25. Re:remember when slashdot was good?! by CodeheadUK · · Score: 1

      No, people NEED this. Scratches are bad, unless Instagram has added them. Then they're 'ironic'.

    26. Re:remember when slashdot was good?! by rhade · · Score: 1

      What city do you live in that has the roaming gangs of NFC scanning master thiefs? Honestly, here's some wild speculation on my part, the chance of someone being out, with this technology, within what, a metre of you?, for long enough to steal your information, must be ridiculously small. Yet I would assume you drive a vehicle of some sort with a much higher probability of death and destruction. This is also assuming its a one factory auth system. Honestly.

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    27. Re:remember when slashdot was good?! by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Less storage than a SAN

      No SD card slot and $HOW_FUCKING_MUCH??!?!!1 for an extra 16GB.

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    28. Re:remember when slashdot was good?! by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Little bit paranoid I think. Remotely transacting with NFC isn't practical. If you have a big enough signal to activate it you will everything in range and bugger up all kinds of other radios. When the response comes back it will be incredibly low power so you will need an amazing and very bulky receiver to catch it from more than a few centimetres away. Under ideal conditions.

      Maybe someone could brush past you and transact with the phone in your pocket. They would have to linger a moment for it to happen though. Even then the payment systems don't actually allow phone to phone or card to card transfers, only phone/card to merchant. So they need a merchant account, which means it will be traceable. And with your phone the charge appears on your phone bill and is paid at the end of the month, so you can contest it.

      People have been using NFC for all kinds of payments for years now in Japan and I'm sure elsewhere. Oyster in the UK is NFC, and I know Germany and France both use NFC for transport too. I don't recall a single instance of anyone ever being robbed by NFC scanner. It would be simpler to just steal the card/phone.

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    29. Re:remember when slashdot was good?! by Mike+Buddha · · Score: 1

      You do realize that NFC on these phones is not a passive system that responds to any appropriate input the way that RFID does? You do realize that it has the capacity to discriminate between readers and can opt not to respond to any signal that floats through its transom, unlike RFID?

      If I were you, I'd take that phone of yours and smash it with a rock, because that's the only way your data will be safe.

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    30. Re:remember when slashdot was good?! by cthulhu11 · · Score: 1

      Most of what I've read about DLNA indicates that it tends to *not* "just work"

    31. Re:remember when slashdot was good?! by Blahah · · Score: 1

      It's not *that* much difference from the iPhone 4 screen, so personally I will just allow autoresizingMasks to take care of everything. Most apps won't need to do any more than that - I've already checked and my code runs full size on the iPhone 5 sim with no problems and no changes. It's only if the app specifically wants to use that extra space for something other than providing more space for the existing content that they'll have to have separate xibs, or code different layouts.

    32. Re:remember when slashdot was good?! by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      Uh... no Apple religiously releases a new smartphone model like every year on a sort of tick-tock model.

    33. Re:remember when slashdot was good?! by cheesybagel · · Score: 1
      Cue in Apple developer stupidity here: But all the devices have the same resolution/But all the devices have the same aspect ratio/WTF with the black bars and nasty scaling?

      Good thing Android actually adapts to the resolution of the device, whatever that is.

    34. Re:remember when slashdot was good?! by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      No, we would complain they were strangling third party developers if they did not allow anyone to compete with their own Apple branded app as they usually do.

    35. Re:remember when slashdot was good?! by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      No, we would complain they were strangling third party developers if they did not allow anyone to compete with their own Apple branded app as they usually do.

      Like what? Browsers? Email clients? Camera apps? What exactly?

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    36. Re:remember when slashdot was good?! by Markdavie · · Score: 1

      It's a shame that Apple has been so focused on litigation or they might have released a good product. Instead, they just made a bigger, slimmer phone (didn't Samsung patent that). Where was the software or hardware innovation that makes this product better than anything else on the market? They have maps now, well, welcome to 2009 on Android. And don't try to tell me about the panoramic camera, it's still 8MP and their face recognition is way behind the pack as well. Actually I think most people will simply buy this because of the name. However, without a significant improvement in the next 12 months Apple is going to really lose market share. Just my opinion, Mark at RDA.

  16. Re:Still not HD? by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Interesting

    For a company that wants to be seen as being on the leading edge they could have at least tried competing with the GS3.

    HD on a 4 inch screen is like expecting Klipsch loudspeaker performance from a pair of ear buds. Now I'm not saying everyone will have the same experience, but I'm already wearing reading glasses (began at the ripe old age of 28) and am happy to be able to focus on anything within 2 feet, I'm not about to care about HD on a puny display.

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  17. Re:Still not HD? by gmuslera · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Thats why the rush of suing Samsung to ban their phone or whatever one that could put a shadow over their new one.

  18. Why the weird screen resolution? by JDG1980 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    1136x640? What kind of crack-smoking resolution is that? It's not any kind of standard and it isn't an integer multiple of the existing iPhone resolutions. I had expected it to be 1440x960 (3x the original iPhone resolution) so that they could keep using the existing Retina Display features, which use simple pixel doubling for noncompliant apps. But what are they going for with this?

    1. Re:Why the weird screen resolution? by Missing.Matter · · Score: 1

      The rationale is that they didn't want to increase the width of the phone. With the weird resolution, they only increased the height, so it fits in your hand the same, the interface is the same except with an additional row of apps, and they simply center apps that are not made for that resolution instead of scaling them.

    2. Re:Why the weird screen resolution? by amicusNYCL · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It sounds like they wanted to keep the same width and just make it taller until it got to 16:9.

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    3. Re:Why the weird screen resolution? by Kergan · · Score: 1

      It allows to use the same displays as those manufactured for the iPhone 4's retina display, cut a bit longer. The cost overhead is likely very low as a result. Also, it allows older apps to run without any updates.

    4. Re:Why the weird screen resolution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      mmh delicious 15.975:9 aspect ratio

    5. Re:Why the weird screen resolution? by imsabbel · · Score: 1

      Well, the resolution of the scren is so high that they do not have to care about x2 or x3 scaling anyway, in my oppinion.

      So they should have just gone to 1280x720. Cause downscaling HD video is odd.

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    6. Re:Why the weird screen resolution? by PPH · · Score: 1

      Bloody typical, they've gone back to metric without telling us.

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    7. Re:Why the weird screen resolution? by socceroos · · Score: 1

      Except that it's not quite 16:9.

    8. Re:Why the weird screen resolution? by Kergan · · Score: 1

      What would be the difference with a screen that is also cut a bit wider? More pixels is more pixels, I doubt it costs much different if they are on a wider or taller screen. Its not like the screens come on a giant roll that gets cut.

      But then you'd need to change the assets in all apps. In particular icons.

  19. Re:OK, place your bets by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

    The 3 fingered iPhone 5 grip?

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  20. Re:Something shiny! by khr · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's not going to change your life, get you laid

    You don't know my wife...

  21. Re:Remember CmdrTaco's story for the first iPhone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The first iPhone didn't have wireless? Man, that's a crappy cell phone. How far we've come since those salad days of non-wireless mobile communications.

  22. Re: Where are the lawyers from Samsung? by accessbob · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Filing papers in court I suspect.

  23. C'mon apple.. WOW us. by ruckerz2k · · Score: 1

    Don't tell me what new (technical features) your product has.. tell me how it's going to change how I think about mobile communication.

  24. Re:Still not HD? by MozeeToby · · Score: 4, Informative

    To be fair, the GS3 was released only 3 months ago. I don't know if it would be possible for them to adjust their design in the time between the specs for GS3 being released and their production needing to start. Now not competing with the display on the Galaxy Nexus (also a full 720p display and released 9 months ago)... that's a bit harder to understand.

  25. Since when? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    For a company that wants to be seen as being on the leading edge they could have at least tried competing with the GS3.

    leading edge of what?

    Apple since their inception has been about bringing computing to the masses. It's been about making user interfaces more intuitive. It's also been about design.

    I have never ever seen anything from Apple where they wanted their products to be leading edge in technology.

    1. Re:Since when? by erice · · Score: 2

      They got rid of PS2, they killed off the floppy, they are pushing thunderbolt foward.

      That all seems pretty leading edge to me.

      PS2? Did Apple ever use PS2? Prior to the switch to USB with the iMac, Apple machines used ADB for keyboards and mice.

    2. Re:Since when? by Dracos · · Score: 5, Funny

      leading edge of what?

      Hype and reality distortion.

    3. Re:Since when? by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Computting to the masses what pot are the smoking when the set the price point then? OLPC is computting to the masses, a cheap dell is computting to the masses, $1000+ macbook is to the elite

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    4. Re:Since when? by Iniamyen · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Apple since their inception has been about bringing computing to the masses.

      Generally, bringing something to "the masses" includes lowering the price, not raising it. Oh, and having a larger market share than your competitor, not a smaller one.

    5. Re:Since when? by s73v3r · · Score: 1

      The iPad itself is pretty leading edge. It made a tablet that people actually could and wanted to use.

    6. Re:Since when? by mathfeel · · Score: 1

      ... what pot are the smoking when the set the price point ...

      Something wrong with the 'y' key on your keyboard?

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    7. Re:Since when? by burning-toast · · Score: 1

      I think parent post meant that because Apple introduced machines with USB as their primary device interconnect it spurred the adoption rate of USB across the board. Specifically because the Mac left off the old connectors, introduced connectors which were becoming standard on PC's, and they had enough market share so that the keyboard manufacturers who wanted a slice of Apples market share could adopt without having two different controller chips and interfaces. I do remember a few people using the USB Mac keyboards on their PC's and PC compatible laptops early on (before many were available on the market).

      Now, as far as whether or not that is factually a correlation or a causation in the overall adoption rate I will leave that up to other people better versed in the history of USB's adoption. However, I can appreciate that USB has dropped the sheer variety of necessary ports on my PC compatible desktops. Though I would hesitate to thank Apple for that outright since they were just another factor in its successful adoption to me.

      Personally, I still prefer PS/2 for for KVM purposes, but the key benefit to USB keyboards is hot-swapping in case of failure, or leaving servers headless in the datacenter and just using a crash cart. PS/2 may or may not work if hot-swapped.

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    8. Re:Since when? by sessamoid · · Score: 1

      ... what pot are the smoking when the set the price point ...

      Something wrong with the 'y' key on your keyboard?

      He keeps hitting extra "t"s instead? Or maybe the wanker just can't spell.

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  26. "Yes, we are in a post-PC world." by swan5566 · · Score: 2

    These sorts of statements are so over-the-top. No ipad is going to replace my desktop at work, nor my gaming laptop at home. Apple's success in the last decade has been in part by doubling-down on particular demographics, but notions like these seem to suggest that Apple's success might clouding their perception a tad.

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    1. Re: "Yes, we are in a post-PC world." by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Gaming laptop. So your laptop replaced your desktop for gaming.

      Think on that for a minute and you'll figure it out.

    2. Re: "Yes, we are in a post-PC world." by swan5566 · · Score: 1

      A 10-inch screen is too small for hard-core gaming, and if you start to build a tablet that's bigger, is becomes less mobile, and less of a "tablet" and more of a "laptop".

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    3. Re: "Yes, we are in a post-PC world." by swan5566 · · Score: 1

      Indeed. Apple culture groupthink - a fine example of pitfalls of extrapolation.

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    4. Re: "Yes, we are in a post-PC world." by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      Gaming laptop. So your laptop replaced your desktop for gaming.

      Think on that for a minute and you'll figure it out.

      I've known a guy who only ever had and used laptops for gaming. Are you making assumptions?

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  27. Re:Still not HD? by 0123456 · · Score: 4, Funny

    What's the problem? You just attach a big magnifying glass in front of the screen, like 'Brazil'.

  28. Re:Remember CmdrTaco's story for the first iPhone? by sconeu · · Score: 5, Informative

    No, I don't remember that. Because it was CmdrTaco's story for the first iPod.

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  29. Same 640 pixel width by tepples · · Score: 5, Informative

    1136x640? What kind of crack-smoking resolution is that? It's not any kind of standard and it isn't an integer multiple of the existing iPhone resolutions.

    It's an exact 1x the 640 pixel width of the iPhone 4, iPhone 4S, and iPod touch 4. As I understand the summary, retina apps will look the same, just with borders on the top and bottom.

    1. Re:Same 640 pixel width by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Wow, letterboxing? Really? Really? Did Apple just never learn how to make an API for UI elements that doesn't suck? No, that's not right, Cocoa was fine; they must have just reinvented the wheel for iOS, poorly.

      Seriously, when I run an Android app on a device with a different screen resolution, it just works. It's almost as if they designed for the idea that not every device would have exactly the same screen! I wonder how they realized that so far in advance! How did nobody ever think of that befo... oh, wait, no, every damn UI design for the desktop has realized this since back when a "phone" was that thing tied to a jack on the wall with a length of copper cable.

    2. Re:Same 640 pixel width by tgibbs · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Apple's view is that an app should be hand-customized to support the resolution and screen size of the device, not shoehorned in by an automated scaling routine. So the last thing Apple wants to do is tell developers, "Don't worry, the API will fit your app onto the new display." What Apple's API will do is allow developers to check the screen size and take advantage of the extra screen space in a way that fully exploits it. Based on the way that Apple's development environment works, this should be pretty trivial for the vast majority of apps. And for those developers who don't care enough to bother, the app will look exactly the way it did before, down to the pixel.

    3. Re:Same 640 pixel width by samkass · · Score: 1

      iOS up to 5.x used the old fashioned Cocoa link & spring method. iOS 6 adds the linear prioritized constraint-based system that Apple put in the previous Cocoa version. That being said, it's up to developers to do it right and if Apple had flipped the switch on day 1 and told all the apps what resolution they were really running at a lot of stuff would look terrible. If you do have a well-written app I'm sure it's a matter of adding a boolean to your Info file saying "no, really, I'm cool with this". By the time the device is actually in most customers hand all the popular apps will likely be updated.

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    4. Re:Same 640 pixel width by jeti · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah. I miss the times when web pages were finely crafted for a specific resolution.

    5. Re:Same 640 pixel width by _xeno_ · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, iOS does support auto-resizing. Unfortunately:

      No, that's not right, Cocoa was fine; they must have just reinvented the wheel for iOS, poorly.

      No, Cocoa was not fine. The autoresizing system Cocoa uses sucks. iOS 5 supports it just fine, though, but it's nearly useless. And support is there by default, as there are still a few times when the view size changes in iOS and you need to rely on Cocoa Touch's autoresize:

      1. Landscape versus Portrait. The view will autoresize by default. Unfortunately, autoresize is so bad at what it does, that I wound up overriding it and just manually setting the bounding boxes of the widgets on screen. I expect most apps do that because the autoresize support is so awful. (Apparently this is the reason why, until iOS 4 or something, Xcode's default template for iOS apps disabled the portrait mode entirely.)

      2. The view shrinks because you're in a call. When in a call, the status bar doubles in size and your app loses several pixels off the top. (I think it's 22 in retinal, but whatever, you get the idea.) This is something that just about no app bothers testing for, despite the iOS simulator including explicit support for testing. But it's another thing autoresizing is supposed to deal with.

      Fortunately, another AC responder indicates that they're adding a new "constraint based" system for iOS 6. Sadly, having also written a Cocoa app that used the new support for that, this is almost certainly going to be even worse. It's call "auto layout" and there are some 200,000 Google results on how to disable the damned thing.

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    6. Re:Same 640 pixel width by clonehappy · · Score: 1

      No, you don't understand. Designing for multiple unique devices is soo last century. One day, when all you Androidists finally see the light you'll understand that this is what sets the iPhone apart. It thinks differently. And if that means black lines at the top and bottom of the screen, so be it.

      I mean, seriously, how can the Apple messiahs be expected to support more than one different configuration? I don't think you understand how much effort goes in to making one device that exudes such elegance, such refined luxury, that Jesus himself would use it.

      Android manufacturers can keep their unique, infinitely customizable, wide array of handsets with all their convoluted "options", while everyone else will do what any normal human would do: get the phone that is exactly the same as everyone else's, just as they long to be exactly the same as everyone else.

    7. Re:Same 640 pixel width by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Wow, letterboxing? Really? Really? Did Apple just never learn how to make an API for UI elements that doesn't suck?

      They could make wonderful APIs, but crappy developers don't plan or test for it so the result is always a mess. If you've ever played with the DPI setting in Windows you know what I mean. And why so many websites choose a fixed-pixel width despite all the fancy dynamic layout. That's why they went with "half resolution" on the rMBP too, they don't want users complaining because all their UI elements just got too small. Let me know when you can fix stupid, that's when Apple will trust developers with that. I very much doubt all Android apps work on all resolutions...

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    8. Re:Same 640 pixel width by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Really? Then why is every friggin' web site redesigning it's layout for tablets? It's not like they can't determine your are coming from a desktop computer versus a tablet but no they force that fucking layout on you.

    9. Re:Same 640 pixel width by Deliveranc3 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      "just with borders on the top and bottom." - The fact that this is at +5 PROVES COOL-AID drinking.

      Borders are what happens when a resolution doesn't make sense, it's the worst/universal solution for this kind of idiocy, the only alternative is stretching but that looks strange, especially where the colours need to blend.

      Anyway the article reads iPhone 5, we're stealing some of Samsung's shit... and what new things we're adding aren't thought out or useful (1mm, ARE YOU KIDDING ME? How about 2x denser battery using up slightly more real estate?! How about a removable cover so you can change battery).

      So Apple fanboys! Are you going to buy this new adapter or the "all new iCords", you know the ones that are 4x as expensive... but they're WHITE!

    10. Re:Same 640 pixel width by tgibbs · · Score: 1

      Yes, it makes it hard for a web designer. Do you design your web page to fill the width of the window dynamically (in which case it is hard to consistently maintain nice composition) or do you pick a preferred width (in which case you probably don't want it to be larger that 640 pixels, which is pretty small on a modern display, for backwards compatibility) and just leave empty space if the user drags the window wider? Like many websites, Slashdot seems to follow a mixed approach: most elements expand to fill the space available, but text entry boxes only expand so far, and if you make shrink the window beyond a certain point, things start to crop. But there's a lot of space on modern computer screens, and users can adjust their window width until things look nice, so it's not such a big deal.

    11. Re:Same 640 pixel width by maccodemonkey · · Score: 5, Informative

      Wow, letterboxing? Really? Really? Did Apple just never learn how to make an API for UI elements that doesn't suck? No, that's not right, Cocoa was fine; they must have just reinvented the wheel for iOS, poorly.

      There is an API. There are two actually, springs and struts and (as of iOS 6) autolayout. Exact same APIs that were on the Mac side.

      The problem is developers, unless they supported the iPad as well, tended to ignore these APIs meaning if Apple just starts resizing apps they'll probably break a lot of bad code. Or things like games that only planned on targeting the original resolution.

      So Apple played it safe and stuck apps compiled for iOS 5 into a legacy mode.

    12. Re:Same 640 pixel width by MonkeyPaw · · Score: 1

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    13. Re:Same 640 pixel width by EnsilZah · · Score: 1

      Unless every pixel in the UI is lovingly placed by toddler orphan migrant workers from the killing fields of Cambodia, how can you truly appreciate the full Apple experience?

    14. Re:Same 640 pixel width by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So the last thing Apple wants to do is tell developers, "Don't worry, the API will fit your app onto the new display."

      Yet that's exactly what they are bragging about with their "new autolayout" in iOS6, so if you use autolayout you only build one UI for all devices. Which seems pretty much like Android's relative layout... oh, shit, Android is going to be sued again!

    15. Re:Same 640 pixel width by Misagon · · Score: 1

      Microsoft chose the same approach for the Metro-style apps on windows 8. I was quite disappointed in them when I heard that.
      However, MS does force apps to support a number of standard resolutions, not just one.

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    16. Re:Same 640 pixel width by Misagon · · Score: 1

      If I had been Apple, I would not have made the phone taller. I would have removed the hardware Home button (which always breaks) and made it a software button.
      Then old apps would work as before and new apps that wanted the extra space could use a new API for that. However, the new iOS would also have had to force the home button to appear whenever there is any touch in that area, but that is no biggie.

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    17. Re:Same 640 pixel width by dave420 · · Score: 1

      With Android, you can do either. Either let Android handle the scaling for you (which works perfectly adequately for the vast majority of apps), or the developer can handle it themselves (which is fine for the remaining apps).

    18. Re:Same 640 pixel width by Compaqt · · Score: 1

      There used to be a time when people were constantly looking toward bigger monitor sizes so they could design their web pages to take advantage of the additional space.

      For some reason, this march has stopped at 1024px, or 960px plus margins. (Actually, I know the reason: it's because people don't know that you can resize your browser to whatever you like: wide, narrow, medium. So the web designer sizes the page for you. Same reason they have font big/small icons on webpages: people don't know about Ctrl+=)

      I'd have said that's bad, but there's another reason why it sort of works: You need additional space on the margins because when you increase the text size a few times to get readable text, the page width increases.

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    19. Re:Same 640 pixel width by Solandri · · Score: 1

      Apple's view is that an app should be hand-customized to support the resolution and screen size of the device, not shoehorned in by an automated scaling routine.

      If the pixels are too small to distinguish with the eye, then who cares if the UI is scaled?

      Remember, CRTs were essentially resolution scaled. The phosphors were too small to distinguish with the eye, so you could project any resolution on top of them. (LCDs were "sharper" only because they introduced high-frequency noise in the form of straight pixel edges. You needed to turn on ClearType to make non-bitmapped text look as smooth and clear on an LCD as it appeared on a CRT. And given that Apple was at the forefront of pushing non-bitmapped fonts via Postscript and Adobe Type Manager, it's highly ironic that they're now pushing for what's essentially bitmapped fonts and UIs.)

    20. Re:Same 640 pixel width by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      And they say Android is fragmented!

      You are incorrect anyway, Android and Windows Phone do not "[shoehorn] in by an automated scaling routine", they gracefully and usefully display the requested information in the requested manner making maximum use of available screen space. If your screen is taller you get more of a list in view, if your screen is higher resolution you get higher quality font rendering.

      Apple's original decision was because the original iPhone was a bit underpowered for doing scaled UIs at a constant smooth 60fps. My guess is that the appearance of Android made them rush the release a bit, since it became public shortly before the iPhone was released. That unfortunate decision has been screwing them ever since, limiting their choice of screen resolutions. It looks like they finally reached a point where they just had to screw developers a bit and create something that looks really ugly, against their long held goal of everything looking pixel perfect a shiny.

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    21. Re:Same 640 pixel width by tgibbs · · Score: 1

      Actually, Apple's TrueType fonts included hand-optimized "hints," and even hand-optimized bitmap fonts for the smallest sizes, to deal with the fact that automated methods do not do as good a job of rasterizing as a human can do.

      Once you get to "retina" resolution, the difference between hand-optimization and scaling becomes small. But that is irrelevant to the iPhone 5, which uses the same retina resolution as the iPhone 4. Changing the layout of a screen in an automated way to make optimum use of additional screen real estate is a much harder problem than merely scaling an image, because different apps use the space on the screen in very different ways.

  30. Re:Still not HD? by RockClimbingFool · · Score: 1

    I am pretty happy with my HTC One X on AT&T for $100. The SG3 and One X are pretty close, but $200 vs. $100 make it a no brainer.

  31. Re:Something shiny! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Apple doesn't general do "firsts", but they are the king at "The first X that doesn't suck"

    The original iphone was criticized for not having 3g. At the time 3g was not widely available, and all of the 3g chips were power hogging monsters. All of the first 3g phones sucked.

    I've got a 4 and I'm pretty damn happy with it. The 5 looks like a pretty good evolutionary improvement and I might pick it up. (The 4s was not enough of an improvement for me to shell out the extra $)

    I've been seriously looking at a new andriod too. The S3 and the HTC X one are amazing devices with lots of great features.. But neither ship with andriod 4.1.
    That's the problem. Do I get an andriod with really cool bells and whistles? Or an iphone that has a slick, long term reliable end user experience that I'm used to. I know if I pick the 5 all of my apps, music, messages, mail, everything will carry over flawlessly. Just like with my 4.. And my 3g before it.. I've still got the same music library, apps, and email settings carried all the way from my original iphone and that's damn awesome.

  32. I don't want an iphone by ThorGod · · Score: 1

    At least not at the moment. But I do want to hear about Apple's *other new hardware*, assuming any exists...

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    1. Re:I don't want an iphone by WiiVault · · Score: 1

      Well you likely won't see it today. No way Apple will toss out a new Mini iPad or anything else that could steal the thunder and hype from this announcement. Perhaps early October?

    2. Re:I don't want an iphone by ThorGod · · Score: 1

      You guessed what my gripe was about really well. The mini iPad sounds really useful...too bad anything iphone related sucks the oxygen out of anything else they might like to announce.

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    3. Re:I don't want an iphone by WiiVault · · Score: 1

      Well from the rumors you won't have to wait long for iMacs and mini iPad or whatever they call it. They did however announce a new Nano and Touch which while seasonal, was a little unexpected. The Nano is fairly interesting and a pretty clear reverse course from the crappy square last gen model. Killing video was dumb dumb dumb even if it's just a a checklist point. Surprised not to see a return of (basic) video capture Nano though.

    4. Re:I don't want an iphone by tgibbs · · Score: 1

      The iPhone is the headliner here, and Apple's biggest cash cow. Apple would never allow another new device to steal its thunder. A new form factor for the iPad would be a big enough deal to deserve a show all to itself. Why have one publicity splash when you can have two?

  33. Meh by JDG1980 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The iPhone has been falling behind in the past year or so. Competitors now have better hardware and an equally good user experience. This is why Apple has been resorting to lawsuits: in the phone arena, they face the real prospect of losing serious market share to Samsung. The Galaxy S III is competitive with even the iPhone 5 (though its app ecosystem may not be quite as good) and the Galaxy Note is far superior to the Apple phones.

    On the tablet side of things, Apple is faring better. There is still no serious Android competitor to the new iPad, with its unparalleled 2048x1536 display. Android fans usually try to respond by telling me that I don't really need a high-res display. This is a losing argument – once you've seen the new iPad in action, low-resolution tablets look crude in comparison. It really makes a huge difference, especially when reading PDFs and web pages zoomed out. None of the competing 10" tablets come close to the iPad's market share. The smaller, cheaper tablets (Nexus 7, Kindle Fire) are indeed cutting into Apple's business, but they apparently have an iPad Mini prepped and ready to go to compete there. If rumors are accurate and it goes for $249 or so, then it's going to get a lot of purchases. On the other hand, it's hard to say how many will be taken from Google and Amazon, and how many will be cannibalized from sales of the full-size (and presumably more profitable) iPad.

    I'm hoping that Samsung's next Galaxy Note tablet will have a Retina-equivalent display. If they can do that and keep the price at $499 to open (like Apple did), then they will have a real competitor on their hands. I'd seriously consider buying one.

  34. Rounded corners! Rectangular Design! by sl4shd0rk · · Score: 1

    ...Oh, wait.. forget it.

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    1. Re:Rounded corners! Rectangular Design! by DickBreath · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The new iPhone looks suspiciously similar to a Samsung phone from years ago.

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    2. Re:Rounded corners! Rectangular Design! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
    3. Re:Rounded corners! Rectangular Design! by phayes · · Score: 1

      That's because the Samsung phone slavishly copied the iphone from 3 years ago as Samsung admitted during the trial

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  35. Then prepare to be amazed! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    http://thecuriousbrain.com/?p=33360

  36. Re:monopoly by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

    I install software without going through the App Store. And I don't own a jailbroken device.

    But I am sure Apple will be right behind Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony on that feature.

  37. not impressed? by blackfrancis75 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    just FYI the "I'm not impressed with the iPhone 5" people are being just as histrionic as the fanbois this time around.

    1. Re:not impressed? by squiggleslash · · Score: 4, Funny

      Actually pretty much nobody's impressed with the iPhone 5. With the exception of a lone Samsung employee who as I write this is putting together a memo that'll cause Samsung much embarassment in a trial five years from now...

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    2. Re:not impressed? by tgibbs · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually, on Slashdot they've been pretty histrionic every time around--even the first one.

    3. Re:not impressed? by Crypto+Gnome · · Score: 1

      As deeply enmired as I am in the Apple universe I do have to agree, this new iPhone is pretty much what we all were hoping for when they whipped out the 4S.

      It *really* smells like they were hoping to deliver this but LTE-related technical issues prevented delivery so they wedged in the 4S which was nice but not truly uber.

      Finally delivering LTE to outside-the-US is nice, faster CPU is nice - but given the new connector (insert hardware refresh here on all my attached devices, I don't do "adaptors") I am 100% staying in the "upgrade every other cycle, at best".

      Is Apple following the tick/tock model that Intel has been touting for so many years now?

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  38. Lightning by P-niiice · · Score: 2

    The connector is called Lightning. ahahaha. What's the headphone jack called when it gets an upgrade?

    1. Re:Lightning by medcalf · · Score: 5, Funny

      They have Thunderbolt and Lightning, so I'm going with "Very, Very Frightening"

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    2. Re:Lightning by metrometro · · Score: 1

      Galileo, Galileo...

    3. Re:Lightning by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      Ha! I look forward to the inevitable 'mamamia' port!. After that, I feel like 'figaro' has actually been a code name for something, though.

    4. Re:Lightning by fa2k · · Score: 2

      The nerve of releasing a digital only connector when the only good reason to use 30-pin over micro-USB was analogue audio out. If it has a better mechanical design than micro-USB I'll give them a pass, though (after having mine half destroyed after 2 years).

    5. Re:Lightning by zlives · · Score: 1

      let it go

    6. Re:Lightning by iluvcapra · · Score: 1

      Easy come, easy go...

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    7. Re:Lightning by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      Lightfoot.

      They'll have Clint Eastwood interviewing it at the unveiling.

    8. Re:Lightning by SiChemist · · Score: 1

      So full of win...

    9. Re:Lightning by SternisheFan · · Score: 1

      Europe makes apple supply a usb convert connector, not for sale in the U.S. So what's the big deal with us not having usb? Answer has got to be that they make lots on selling new clock radios, cables, etc...

    10. Re:Lightning by great+om · · Score: 1

      i assume someone will make a dock/line out cable with a built in dac, since the lighting port support digital audi out

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  39. Re:Something shiny! by onyxruby · · Score: 3, Funny

    I must concede your point. If your married and your spouse happens to like these shiny toys and you get them one, it just might get you get you laid after all.

  40. Obligatory TheOatmeal Reference by MatrixCubed · · Score: 5, Funny
    1. Re:Obligatory TheOatmeal Reference by OverlordQ · · Score: 1, Informative

      Accidently modded overrated instead of underrated. Commenting to undo moderation :(

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    2. Re:Obligatory TheOatmeal Reference by MatrixCubed · · Score: 1

      That's like facepalming with the back of your own hand, turning it into a bitchslap.

    3. Re:Obligatory TheOatmeal Reference by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      The original concept (and funnier).

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  41. The best part is the time travel app by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    The part I like the best about the iPhone 5 is the new time travel app, that lets you skip back in time a preset duration, ranging from 10 seconds to 1 day.

    Helped me avoid all the lines by allowing me to walk into the shipping rooms through a door using a double time skip sequence to avoid the guards.

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  42. Menlo Park by organgtool · · Score: 1

    4-inch screen, 16:9 aspect ratio, LTE, maps... Menlo Park, start your copiers!

    1. Re:Menlo Park by Guy+Harris · · Score: 1

      Better yet, Mountain View...

      Or were you thinking of a Facebook phone?

  43. iPad traffic by j_snare · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "He also claimed 68% tablet market share for the iPad, and says iPads account for 91% of tablet-based web traffic"

    Was anyone else's first reaction to this statement "Wow, that sounds like iPads are inefficient."

    1. Re:iPad traffic by TheDan666 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, my thought was that people who bought tablets other than iPads don't end up using them because they suck. Hence, they account for less traffic then their purchases would indicate.

    2. Re:iPad traffic by Cinder6 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No. Mine was, "wow, iPad users must really like using their devices."

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    3. Re:iPad traffic by Nemyst · · Score: 4, Funny

      My first reaction was "Wow, iPad users watch a lot of porn."

    4. Re:iPad traffic by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      I mostly use my iPad to surf the web, actually. It's great at videos, with a much larger screen than the iPhone, and it's easy to get free podcasts of video and music from excellent sources like KEXP and PBS and NPR and G4TV ... even Icelandic music videos!

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    5. Re:iPad traffic by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      Was anyone else's first reaction to this statement "Wow, that sounds like iPads are inefficient."

      While I had no real reaction to the quote you reference, my reaction to your comment was, "How does that make any sen...what the hell are people learning in school these days?"

      If people are less efficient surfing the web on a device, that doesn't mean that they produce more traffic, since traffic is not a measure of how long someone spends looking at their browser, which you apparently seem to think it is. Rather, as the inefficiency increases, people are increasingly predisposed towards loading fewer pages due to the inherent frustration in doing so. As a result, they would generate less traffic.

      Your analysis has no basis in reality.

    6. Re:iPad traffic by j_snare · · Score: 1

      Ahh well. Bad joke is bad, and my imagination isn't what it used to be. Evident in the fact that I apparently need to explain why I had that reaction initially...

      That said, my initial reaction upon reading that was really to hear that 68% of the systems were sending 91% of all TCP/IP packets. Yes, I realized that wasn't actually true, and yes, I realized that it's likely because they're being used more. But all told, if you had 100 people performing a task, 68 of them with iPads, and 32 of them with some other tablet device, yet 91% of the network traffic came from the 68 iPads, most people would rate that sort of efficiency as poor.

      In reality, yes, it's likely just because the people who own iPads are actually using them more, whereas other tablet owners may only use them in certain cases. To be perfectly honest, that's actually more along the lines of what I've really seen around me as well. Most co-workers seem to be of the "I use my iPad all the time" camp, or of the feeling "I don't really need a tablet". I see that as a loss for the current competitors to the iPad...

      Sorry to confuse you by having an initial reaction that wasn't an actual analysis.

    7. Re:iPad traffic by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      I follow now. Yeah, a shame that didn't come across for me, since in all honesty I expected that I would've enjoyed that joke if I had understood it up front. Oh well.

      Thanks for taking the time to explain regardless. Always nice to find out someone is intelligent and just kidding, rather than the alternatives. :)

    8. Re:iPad traffic by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      Tiny? The visible portion if it's on your lap is approximately the same as a 20 inch TV set back in the 90s.

      My 42 inch HDTV, even at 1080p, has about the same resolution. Look at the specs.

      unless you keep your iPad on a shelf across the room, but who would do that?

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    9. Re:iPad traffic by DigitAl56K · · Score: 1

      My experience suggests the opposite - I have to reload pages over and over again in Safari because it blows up every few page loads. Safari on iOS is, without any hesitation, one of the least stable pieces of software I've ever used.

    10. Re:iPad traffic by shadowrat · · Score: 1

      i wondered how they count tablet web traffic. first of all, does it have to be a browser request. Many apps that people use are simply using web services exposed by sites. Does visiting wunderground.com in safari count as web traffic where using the wunderground app does not? i assume they are both hitting the same site. Second, android allows you to do neat things like run a browser that doesn't HAVE to report itself as a mobile browser. You can set the user_agent string to your liking and get the full blown version of the site. I have to imagine that isn't countable as tablet web traffic.

    11. Re:iPad traffic by yurtinus · · Score: 1

      How? They don't use flash!

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    12. Re:iPad traffic by jrumney · · Score: 1

      Or the primary competitors are useful for more than just browsing the web.

    13. Re:iPad traffic by advocate_one · · Score: 1

      nah... this is Apple... they've redefined the word tablet to mean only those devices with a form factor the same as the current iPad... so all those other smaller tablets or devices with widescreen formats don't count... my Arnova 7G2 wouldn't be counted as a tablet by Apple's logic... neither will a Kindle Fire as it's not big enough by Apple's metrics.

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    14. Re:iPad traffic by kh31d4r · · Score: 1

      "Wow, Chrome must be awesome at chaching"?

    15. Re:iPad traffic by coolmadsi · · Score: 1

      No, my thought was that people who bought tablets other than iPads don't end up using them because they suck. Hence, they account for less traffic then their purchases would indicate.

      My first thought was people are doing things other than browse the internet on non-iPad tablets.

    16. Re:iPad traffic by dmacleod808 · · Score: 1

      soon you will not get video or anything from G4TV

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  44. big ? Will AT&T let people keep unlimited plan by Nukenbar · · Score: 1

    i.e., will those grandfathered unlimited plans still work on the LTE network?

  45. My word. by OldSport · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How can people get excited by this stuff? The original iPhone was amazing, but surely these 20% thinner/faster/smaller/wider/etc. incremental changes should not be causing the tech world to collectively cream in their pants.

    The Onion of course nails this phenomenon perfectly -- starting at 0:21. http://www.theonion.com/video/apple-unveils-muchanticipated-iphone-4se,29489/

    1. Re:My word. by OldSport · · Score: 4, Interesting

      And it's usually the iLovers who label anybody and everybody that levels the slightest bit of criticism at an Apple product an "iHater." Case in point: your reply, and the fact that my comment was modded down despite being a perfectly valid point.

      It cracks me up because I'm not an iHater at all. I still have my Mac Classic tucked away somewhere, and I've owned a Macbook and an iMac before my current MB Pro, as well as numerous iPods and an iPhone 3G. At the same time, I'm reasonable enough to see through the marketing noise and oohs and aahs and silvery shiny facade and say hey, this is really nothing new.

      But whatever -- lesson learned; you simply do NOT criticize Apple on Slashdot.

    2. Re:My word. by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      You must have a life.

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    3. Re:My word. by Misagon · · Score: 1

      It is just because the first iPhone was so significant, and showed the competition how to make a smartphone "right" that the tech world is so important. If Apple does something in a new model, then the competition will react with similar functions in their phones.

      The "Retina Display" in iPhone 4, "The New" iPad (3) and in the latest Mac Book "Pro" is something that I think could potentially be as significant as the first iPhone.
      Power users have been screaming for decades that they want ultrahigh resolutions and a fully scalable GUI. Now there is finally one general purpose computer that has it. You can bet your ass that Microsoft is going to incorporate support for ultrahigh resolutions in the next major release of Windows.

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    4. Re:My word. by the_B0fh · · Score: 1

      pffft. you are back at +5.

      Try criticizing android. Get sent to -1 hell almost immediately.

    5. Re:My word. by fnj · · Score: 1

      Do you have any idea how silly, defensive, and whiny that sounds? All OldSport said is that Apple labored mightily and finally pooped out a phone that is barely improved at all from last year's model, with nothing novel added whatsoever. That is patently spot on. It has absolutely nothing to do about hating anything. Only a fanboi would take issue with it.

    6. Re:My word. by Trogre · · Score: 1

      But she has a new hat!

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    7. Re:My word. by Tom · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I'm also kind of "meh".

      I own an iPhone 4. I was fully intending to get an iPhone 5 (skipping the 4s, as I almost always skip a generation).

      I'm not so sure anymore. Siri is about the only thing that my 4 doesn't have that I feel like it might be useful, but I can live without it.

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    8. Re:My word. by agentgonzo · · Score: 1

      Case in point: your reply, and the fact that my comment was modded down despite being a perfectly valid point.

      ...

      I still have my Mac Classic tucked away somewhere, and I've owned a Macbook and an iMac before my current MB Pro, as well as numerous iPods and an iPhone 3G.

      Interesting to see you get modded down for criticism of Apple toys, but then as soon as you 'fess up to owning numerous Apple toys, you get modded up to +5 on both posts!

    9. Re:My word. by HnT · · Score: 1

      Well, to be fair... what did you expect? I don't know any current technologies they could have squeezed in there that aren't already in there or that are pretty underwhelming anyway. It's not like the S3 is vastly superior or more "wowing" in any way. They are both pretty much at the cutting edge, what else could they have squeezed in there that would "wow" people??? Smartphones have been doing that xx% thinner/faster/smaller/wider peepee dance for a while now because there isn't much more they can do.

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    10. Re:My word. by danaris · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I'm also kind of "meh".

      I own an iPhone 4. I was fully intending to get an iPhone 5 (skipping the 4s, as I almost always skip a generation).

      I'm not so sure anymore. Siri is about the only thing that my 4 doesn't have that I feel like it might be useful, but I can live without it.

      So what were you expecting or hoping for that would have been incentive enough to upgrade?

      Dan Aris

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    11. Re:My word. by NotPeteMcCabe · · Score: 1

      Have you read this thread? There are far more blindly critical posts than blindly positive posts.

    12. Re:My word. by Tom · · Score: 1

      So what were you expecting or hoping for that would have been incentive enough to upgrade?

      Nothing specific. I was hoping Apple would've come up with something.

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  46. Re:Something shiny! by hahn · · Score: 2

    Those of us who own shares of AAPL would disagree. Just sayin...

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  47. But Nextstep software.... by bobs666 · · Score: 1

    You can see what you are doing on a Pad. and get a full keyboard for typing.

    Took one look at the Next step software and figuratively barfed all over the place. I guess the don't know any better fan boys just don't know any better.

    1. Re:But Nextstep software.... by cpu6502 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      >>>You can see what you are doing on a Pad. and get a full keyboard for typing.

      In other words walk past the iPad in the store and buy a small laptop instead. Got it. Tablets are really just small internet-connected TVs..... passive entertainment devices. Laptops are the better choice for people who need to do actual work.

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    2. Re:But Nextstep software.... by irwiss · · Score: 1

      http://www.lenovo.com/products/us/laptop/thinkpad/xtablet-series/x230t/

      I wish these were less of a niche- product, and reduced the cost a bit...
      Also reduce form factor by a tiny bit while we're at it and there's a
      "tablet killer" (or killer tablet, depending how you look at it) right there.

    3. Re:But Nextstep software.... by s73v3r · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Of course, that completely depends on what your definition of "actual work" is. What you consider "actual work" others might not. I'm sure a construction worker believes that you tinkering on a computer all day is "actual work".

    4. Re:But Nextstep software.... by Seumas · · Score: 1

      A better analogy would be "I'm sure a construction worker believes that a Fisher Price Tool Set is a tool for doing actual work".

      http://www.walmart.com/ip/Fisher-Price-Drillin-Action-Tool-Set/12961443

    5. Re:But Nextstep software.... by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      A construction worker should believe that me tinkering on a computer all day is actual work when I show them how much more money I make than they do.

    6. Re:But Nextstep software.... by brantondaveperson · · Score: 1

      Yes. Because work consists only of either coding or writing.

      Oh. Wait.

    7. Re:But Nextstep software.... by Art3x · · Score: 1

      Yes, "post-PC world" is true only for the world of consumer computing, not professional computing.

      In the beginning, all computers were professional. Nobody used a computer for fun (unless you thought programming was fun).

      Then, in the PC explosion in the 80s, computers became fun for everyone --- but still in a handicapped way. You had to sit at a desk and use a keyboard and mouse to have that fun.

      Now, you can easily plop on the couch or sit in a cafe or just step outside on break.

      But yeah, forcing programmers, accountants, and scientists to use phones and tablets would be a step backward for them.

    8. Re:But Nextstep software.... by Clsid · · Score: 1

      Laptops have their place and tables are useful also. Tablets are for e-books, web browsing, e-mail and the main device you can still use while laying down. A laptop is more of a sit properly affair.

    9. Re:But Nextstep software.... by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Laptops are the better choice for people who need to do actual typing.

      FTFY.

      There's plenty of work that can be done on a tablet. But if it involves a lot of typing or editing of text, then you're better off with a laptop.

    10. Re:But Nextstep software.... by cpu6502 · · Score: 1

      QUOTE: "We're not quite there yet, but it's only a matter of time before you won't need that separate Mac or PC." In other words tablets are still not good enough (and nbody knows if they ever will be... they might end-up being a flop like lightpens and touchpads). And also: Suppose the music or art guy wants to take a break and post to online forums? Ooops. Screwed. No keyboard.

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  48. post pc my ass by LodCrappo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Yes, we are in a post-PC world."

    Who is "we"? Certainly it's not anyone who does work on a computer, or anyone who supports computers that people do work on, or anyone who creates things that people use to do work on a computer. Those poor clods are still stuck in the "PC runs damn near every aspect of business" world.

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  49. iPhone5 by Thelinuxpenguin · · Score: 1

    Looks pretty sick. I would buy it. What's the memory sizes for the iPhone 5? Are they just like 4S?

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  50. Fragmentation by DickBreath · · Score: 4, Insightful

    With all of these different versions of iOS and different versions of hardware, Apple is creating Fragmentation! (gasp!)

    What is Apple going to do about this?

    Why can't old apps dynamically adapt to the new screen size? The iPad has been out for how long now?

    Further evidence that this isn't your dad's Apple computer anymore. Back in the early days of Mac, Apple specifically told developers to not make assumptions about the hardware, screen size, processor speed, etc.

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    1. Re:Fragmentation by tooyoung · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But iPhones update to new versions of iOS. The only reason that somebody would have an old version of iOS is that for some weird reason they repeatedly tell the phone not to update. This isn't similar to the case with many Android vendors and carriers, where updates are actually being blocked (note, this is not Androids fault, it is the vendors and carriers).

      iOS6 is supported all the way back to the iPhone 3GS. How is this creating any fragmentation?

    2. Re:Fragmentation by jareth-0205 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      With all of these different versions of iOS and different versions of hardware, Apple is creating Fragmentation! (gasp!)
      What is Apple going to do about this?
      Why can't old apps dynamically adapt to the new screen size? The iPad has been out for how long now?

      Well they can't. The API doesn't give developers that capability. Other programming environments (ie, Android, Java, Windows... pretty much all of them) work with a layout system that doesn't guarantee exact positioning very well, but does work on different aspect ratios and densities automatically. iOS uses absolute positioning, so developers have to code specifically to each new screen (save for some special cases where they can get away with it, ie doubling of linear density).

    3. Re:Fragmentation by medcalf · · Score: 1

      Actually, developers can write that way if they want. They just do the interface in code instead of using IB. But in practical terms, Apple generally makes choices with iOS such that apps keep looking the way they are, or at least reasonably the same, until/unless they are updated. This gives the developers time flexibility, while also allowing them to fine-tune the look and feel of their interfaces quite nicely. I prefer this to the horrid scaling of, say, Android phone apps installed on a tablet. (Note: not all of them, but some scale terribly.) In any event, there's nothing in the OS/APIs that prevents writing this way; it's just not the default.

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    4. Re:Fragmentation by wumpus188 · · Score: 1

      The API doesn't give developers that capability.

      It does. iOS 6 has Auto Layout system.

    5. Re:Fragmentation by tooyoung · · Score: 1

      I assume that you posted AC because you actually know how this works but couldn't resist trolling to spread misinformation.

      The change to the iPhone 4 doubled the screen resolution. The iPhone 4 can detect whether an app is "high res" or not, and then render it appropriately. The developer doesn't need to do anything.

      Likewise, today Apple announced that the iPhone will automatically display existing apps in a letterbox format, essentially rendering them exactly how they were rendered pre-iPhone 5.

    6. Re:Fragmentation by maccodemonkey · · Score: 5, Informative

      Well they can't. The API doesn't give developers that capability. Other programming environments (ie, Android, Java, Windows... pretty much all of them) work with a layout system that doesn't guarantee exact positioning very well, but does work on different aspect ratios and densities automatically. iOS uses absolute positioning, so developers have to code specifically to each new screen (save for some special cases where they can get away with it, ie doubling of linear density).

      iOS has supported dynamic positioning since iOS 2. Bad developers use absolute positioning, not iOS.
      http://developer.apple.com/library/ios/#documentation/UIKit/Reference/UIView_Class/UIView/UIView.html%23//apple_ref/occ/instp/UIView/autoresizingMask

      There have always been at least two screen sizes in iOS. Portrait and landscape. iPad adds two more.

      The "iOS doesn't support dynamic layout" thing is something I see thrown out by Android developers/supporters all the time, and it's just not true at all.

    7. Re:Fragmentation by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      With all of these different versions of iOS and different versions of hardware, Apple is creating Fragmentation! (gasp!)

      What is Apple going to do about this?

      It's simple really. They will use marketing and lack of support for older devices to compel everyone to upgrade, just like when they dropped iOS support for the iPhone, the iPhone 3g, the iPhone 3gs.....

    8. Re:Fragmentation by cbhacking · · Score: 1

      iOS6 is supported all the way back to the iPhone 3GS. How is this creating any fragmentation?

      Except, that's not really true. Some features of iOS 4, 5, and 6 were backported to the old hardware, and the version number was incremented, but a number of the defining features aren't present at all, or are crippled.

      Siri is an obvious example; it's a software feature (there's some hardware in the newer iPhones that improves the experience, but the feature itself is pure software) that doesn't even put much strain on the local capabilities of the device, yet it's not available for the 3GS.

      Then there's app fragmentation. Apps written for the "retina" resolution aren't going to work on a 3GS. Apps written for the new 16:9 resolution aren't even going to work on a 4S. Android designed around this problem from the beginning (although it was an issue with Windows Mobile, before that OS was EoLed).

      iOS is less fragmented than Android, sure. But it's definitely still fragmented, and new releases that change things like aspect ratio aren't going to help.

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    9. Re:Fragmentation by rvelasquez · · Score: 1

      Actually this isn't quite true. Introduced with iOS 6 is a new Auto Layout API to handle different screen sizes.

    10. Re:Fragmentation by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

      Not every app is intended for both platforms, and the iPad has its own zoom function for iPhone apps.

      You're not one of those weirdos who stretch out SD content on an HDTV, are you?

      Further evidence that this isn't your dad's Apple computer anymore.

      Yeah, they make mobile devices with limited display space (even the pizza box sized Androids some kids seem to favor) now which is a whole other ballgame with its own rules and quirks.

      Honestly, the route they took is fine. Old apps will display as they always did until/unless the developer updates it.

    11. Re:Fragmentation by Ecuador · · Score: 1

      Not sure why you say this. For example our apps layout everything programmatically instead of using IB and depending on what the available width & height of the screen the various items (that are either fixed-size or stretchable) are laid out to take advantage of all of the surface. So in all you have a different layout for portrait, landscape, iphone, ipad etc without drawing each view specifically. Our apps on the iphone 5 will use the extra vertical space by making strechable items (e.g. tableviews) taller, without any re-programming...

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    12. Re:Fragmentation by jrumney · · Score: 1

      But iPhones update to new versions of iOS. The only reason that somebody would have an old version of iOS is that for some weird reason they repeatedly tell the phone not to update.

      I know a lot of people who are doing just that, because Apple broke Bluetooth interoperability with a lot car radios when they released iOS5.

    13. Re:Fragmentation by jrumney · · Score: 1

      Android designed around this problem from the beginning (although it was an issue with Windows Mobile, before that OS was EoLed).

      It wasn't that much of an issue for Windows Mobile, as the Graphics APIs are the same as on the desktop, where developers have been used to handling different resolutions for years. For full screen games with primarily bitmap graphics, yes there was an issue (desktop PCs can switch the video card to VGA resolution, Windows Mobile is fixed to run at one resolution), but on iOS, it isn't unusual to find even purely text apps that are not properly scaled to the screen, and look pixelated on the iPad as a result.

    14. Re:Fragmentation by Xest · · Score: 1

      "iOS6 is supported all the way back to the iPhone 3GS. How is this creating any fragmentation?"

      He's talking about hardware fragmentation, the OS has nothing to do with it.

      He's referring to the fact you have at least 5 different resolution/aspect ratio combinations to deal with now, and because iOS didn't plan for fragmentation from the outset, claiming it was a problem only for Android, it's more of a pain to deal with now.

      In contrast, because Android planned for it from the outset, it's much more trivial to scale an Android app to different hardware configurations.

      Also, whilst I understand you can have letterboxes on iOS to show original iPhone apps on the iPad, and existing iPhone apps on the new iPhone in their original display format, the point is that in existing apps this means you're getting no benefit from your new phone - in fact, you have a larger, more unweildy device and no benefit from it when using all these older apps. In contrast, because Android planned for exactly this, Android developers have written Android apps to cater to different screen sizes since release so you just about always get the benefit of your larger screen with Android and without any app recompiles.

      This is being brought up because fragmentation was used to troll Android in the early days claiming it made Android more awkward to work with. Yet the thing is that fragmentation is essential to keep a product moving forward - you have to add new hardware, change screen resolutions and so forth to keep improving your device, it's a simple fact. People are bringing this up now because it's evidence of how stupid and lacking in foresight Apple's decision was to try and troll Android over fragmentation when Apple is now seeing fragmentation and in fact has to, if it wants to continue to move it's devices forward.

      Fragmentation is a necessary evil and isn't a new problem. Any developer worth their salt should be able to deal with it as it's been a standard problem in desktop and web applications since their inception now. To not properly plan for it, as Apple didn't, was stupid and foolish, and Android's decision to plan for it despite early criticism is now coming into fruition because Android apps just keep on working and looking great on new devices, but many of the iPhone apps keep getting letterboxed, shrunk, or doubled in pixel size and so forth which makes them look shit.

    15. Re:Fragmentation by Blahah · · Score: 1

      Err.. what? The API certainly does expose that capability, in the simplest form with autoresizing mask, which is why almost all apps will just work on the iPhone 5, but developers are expected to confirm that before disabling the letterbox.

      Even if there wasn't a variety of simple ways to have relative positioning, any developer could easily add it themselves (x = (width/n)*i).

  51. Re:demographic? by Algae_94 · · Score: 1

    So, I'm not sure if its a good thing that 68% of the market uses 91% of the web traffic. Is it a good thing that iPad users are data hogs? Does Apple think higher numbers are always better?

  52. sad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    so disappointed. nothing new.. the same things..

  53. Re:Something shiny! by Nikker · · Score: 2

    What are you talking about I just pre ordered hers a minute ago.

    She says not to forget the milk....

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  54. "we" are in a post-PC world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Apple might be, but "we" are not.

  55. Re:Still not HD? by PeanutButterBreath · · Score: 1

    Rob Murray from EA got up on stage to show a racing game, claiming that the graphics "have been built to full console quality."

    Apparently, Apple and EA don't think the small form factor lowers the bar for display capability.

  56. Re:demographic? by cryptizard · · Score: 5, Informative

    Maybe that means that iPad users actually use their tablets and Android owners just leave it in a drawer? No way to know without further statistics so its stupid to draw conclusions.

  57. Re:I will not fund slavery. by ThorGod · · Score: 1

    I will not buy one to fund the "slavery" of Foxconn workers.

    I agree. The trade off is that everything else consumer-IT related is also made by forced Chinese labor. (read that: I sure see the name "Foxconn" labeled on way too many of the stuff I purchase.)

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  58. Re:Something shiny! by yacc143 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Well, in 3G might have sucked in the US, but it worked perfectly well here around.

    Well, my Nexus does have 4.1.1, no problems. It's a little bit on the small side (with only 4.65" and a little bit more pixel than the brand new iPhone 5), it works surprisingly well, I had the second battery pack and external charger picked up the same day I got it, ...

    And yes, personally the non-changeable (by the user) battery is a show stopper. I don't need it often, but I do manage to run the battery dry (especially if I was sloppy about keeping it charged up before leaving home), and fixed battery devices (that includes all iDevices but also many Android tablets) don't offer an answer to that.

    Having just run on such a fixed-battery device as primary device, I really felt myself getting paranoid about always having it hooked up to the charger, be it in the car, at home, in the train, and so on. (And despite progress in this relation, there are quite a bit of trains that still have no power outlets, now explain me how you plan to use your iPhone for entertainment on your next 18 hours trip across Europe, I mean you'll be sleeping perhaps 6-8 hours of this, but 10-12 hours usage is still hard). And yes, I've been reading ebooks on my mobile devices years before ebooks become mainstream.

  59. Re:Something shiny! by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The thing is, I only hear these claims uttered sarcastically by neckbeards and other tiresome people in the geekverse. It's like how I only hear "The Earth is 6000 years old" from atheists. And who gives a shit what connector it is as long as the device comes with a cable and I can get a replacement if necessary?

    Back in the day geeks and nerds advocated competition and having multiple players in the market- it's how PCs got so cheap with a zillion motherboard and peripheral makers. People who really care about tech should hope for success for Apple, Android and, yes, Windows 8 phones so they can continue to fight it out. Anything else is fanboy horseshit. Yes, being a basher is simply fanboyism of a different platform- just as bad, if not worse.

  60. Re:Still not HD? by yacc143 · · Score: 1

    Didn't Samsung have a design patent somewhere for 4" rectangles? I mean Apple monopolizes the 3.5"/9.7" rectangle space, but all the other sizes have been introduced before by somebody else?

  61. Re:OK, place your bets by Carewolf · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How long before we here of the first major defect? Antenna, battery, something else.

    It is right there in the presentation. Black bars around most apps until they are upgraded.

    I admit that is only an aesthetic defect, but aesthetics seems to be a major concern for many Apple fans.

  62. Re:I will not fund slavery. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I will.

  63. Re:Something shiny! by SternisheFan · · Score: 2

    My buddy's wife will have sex with him only when he brings home a half gallon of ice cream for her. Yes, she's fat. He's happy.

  64. Re:Math fail by medcalf · · Score: 1

    So one more row of pixels would make all the difference for you, then?

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  65. Will the iPod Classic Live Still? by WiiVault · · Score: 2

    For years now the HDD based iPod Classic has survived new iPods of various names and specs, but it gets at best a mention once a year. Will we still see it for again survive another year? I sure hope so, because HDD based players are getting harder and harder to find.

    1. Re:Will the iPod Classic Live Still? by FreonTrip · · Score: 2

      So far it looks like it's still hanging in there - no updates one way or the other today.

    2. Re:Will the iPod Classic Live Still? by WiiVault · · Score: 1

      It looks to still be available in the store too. I sure hope they stay. I've got a smartphone for my top 500 and some videos, but nothing works on a month long hiking trip as well as a Classic and a solar charger.

    3. Re:Will the iPod Classic Live Still? by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      I sure hope so, because HDD based players are getting harder and harder to find.

      well, yes because they are more expensive to build, use much more battery, and are larger. surprise.

    4. Re:Will the iPod Classic Live Still? by WiiVault · · Score: 1

      None of those reasons describe why a company wouldn't sell HDD players. Perhaps you meant to say that demand is down for these types of player, cuz ya know... that's something that actually motivates a company not battery/physical size or built price (consumers get charged for all that). I'm sure demand is down, but the "cloud" won't let me download dozens of gigs, or access my stuff in the wilderness/middle of nowhere.

    5. Re:Will the iPod Classic Live Still? by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      needing access to 160GB of music files in the middle of nowhere? that's the definition of niche. thanks for proving my point.

    6. Re:Will the iPod Classic Live Still? by WiiVault · · Score: 1

      At $299 call it whatever you want. That's profit no matter how you cut it. And thanks for ignoring the point about bandwidth and "cloud" storage- how else could you try and strawman me into a fool. Cuz we all know how cheap mobile GB's are right?

    7. Re:Will the iPod Classic Live Still? by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      if you have GB's of data on your iPod classic, it's not in a vacuum. it's sync'd there from your PC. they have this thing called a cable that allows you to transfer your music to your player without the cloud. an amazing little invention really.

      also, did you know that every mobile device including the ipod touch supports wifi? the bandwidth caps on wifi are so high that transferring your entire music library back and forth several times would be insignificant.

    8. Re:Will the iPod Classic Live Still? by WiiVault · · Score: 1

      We don't all spend our time next to our PC, or wifi. Driving for instance is an example where 3G data caps make a huge difference. At lets not forget huge spans of EDGE or GSM, where data is too slow to even stream. And at least in the US and Canada you could only transfer the total GB of an iPod well under 2 times a month over Comcast (250GB cap), and less than once over AT&T (150GB) even on a home connection. So for many of us at least; no we cannot transfer it "several times", but I suspect you already knew this and just wanted to make a point.

    9. Re:Will the iPod Classic Live Still? by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      We don't all spend our time next to our PC, or wifi.

      that's why i called you a niche. most people do have a PC in their home where they return every night at least.

      Driving for instance is an example where 3G data caps make a huge difference.

      so, 16GB of music isn't enough to last you through a drive? 16GB is about 4,000 thousand songs you know.

      So for many of us at least; no we cannot transfer it "several times", but I suspect you already knew this and just wanted to make a point.

      what i suspect is that you are turning to nit picking details to try and salvage yourself in this conversation. does this argument fall apart if you can't transfer hundreds of GBs of music files over the network? i never said anything about the cloud until you brought it up out of the blue. forget the cloud. anyone that has a music library has it backed up on a PC. so use that cable thingy i mentioned. no cloud required.

    10. Re:Will the iPod Classic Live Still? by StripedCow · · Score: 1

      Why would you want a HDD? For the gyroscopic effect?

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    11. Re:Will the iPod Classic Live Still? by WiiVault · · Score: 1

      For the capacity.

  66. Time travelling googlers by vgerclover · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is further proof that Google already has a working time machine, in order to steal the revolutionary 16:9 aspect ratio, the 4 inch display design. The original evidence was the roll-down notification bar of course.

  67. Re:Still not HD? by bingoUV · · Score: 1

    It seems to me that iphone length has nott changed, they have just replaced the wide bezel of iphone 4s with screen material.

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  68. Durability by failedlogic · · Score: 1

    A main concern with the iPhone to me is the durability. I've seen countless friends and strangers on the street with shattered or badly cracked screens. You don't need to drop from a significant height (2-3 feet I think), probably just needs to hit at the right angle. The only remedy appears to be to get a bumper case for the phone. If you know how to fix the iPhone yourself you can get parts on eBay etc for less than $50 (not that big a deal I supposed). I know of people who've been quoted over $200 to get it fixed in a shop.

    In contrast, my cellphone takes a bit of abuse (its a BB Curve). I've probably dropped my BB several dozen times and carry in my pocket next to keys. I only installed a screen protector. Many other competing smartphones to iPhone all seem to fare well on durability.

    With every iPhone model (and smartphones in general all of which can cost $300 - $600+) being thinner and lighter, I'm concerned smartphones as a whole are not going to last very long.

    1. Re:Durability by tgibbs · · Score: 1

      These days, AppleCare includes replacement for at least two incidents of accidental damage (even your BB probably won't survive if you drop it in the toilet). For the butter-fingered, Apple's bumpers provide good protection against falls--and there are 3rd party cases that will let your throw it across a room.

    2. Re:Durability by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      Fair point. It took me two days to drop the phone from a great enough height (2 feet, onto asphalt) to severely crack the back screen. After that I put it in an Otterbox case and that's saved it from several much worse falls. One perk of thinner and lighter, though, is it's still thinner and lighter even after you strap in in a case, so it's still a bit of a win.

    3. Re:Durability by jon3k · · Score: 5, Informative

      I work for a company that deploys iPhones and iPads. We've given out hundreds of devices. So far we've had 3 broken (screen shattered). You can get a screen replaced for a couple hundred dollars. I've seen COUNTLESS iPhones/iPads dropped without suffering any damage, or just very minor scratching. The only time we see REAL damage is when it lands on a corner and all the force is concentrated in that one small area, and only happens on a very hard surface like concrete. As far as blackberrys, we replace about 3 a week. Usually trackballs and now the touchpads failing, keypads stop working randomly and of course the finish wears off all of them within 3-6 months, so they start flaking. Everyone knows when they inevitable freeze up you have to reboot them by removing the battery. The new problem now is speakers failing, we have people bring in Tours/Curves because their "ringer and speaker phone stopped working" -- tell tale sign every time. Basically we replace blackberrys at LEAST at a 5:1 rate as we do iPhones. No dropping required!

    4. Re:Durability by Urza9814 · · Score: 1

      I have an old LG VX9800. The one thing it's good for is the phone durability pissing contest. I've dropped it down three flights of stairs (down the empty center of the stairwell, not the stairs themselves, that's for sissys!). I've whipped it at a wall, just to prove it'd survive. Battery always goes flying across the room on impact, but the phone still works just fine. And it'll last a week on a single charge -- I go out of town for the weekend and don't even bother to bring a charger.

      Of course, I do plan to upgrade to an Galaxy S3 pretty soon...this thing's a goddamn dinosaur.

    5. Re:Durability by borrrden · · Score: 1

      What was the point of mentioning the price? "You can get a screen replaced for a couple hundred dollars"....where have I seen that price before....OH right, the price of a new contracted 16-gb iPhone 5!! I will never pay $200 for a screen replacement when the parts cost a mere $20 and it takes less than an hour of my time to accomplish, and neither should anyone else.

    6. Re:Durability by jon3k · · Score: 1

      The point if mentioning the price is to point out that even if you do drop it, it's not the end of the world. You don't have to spend the $600+ off contract to buy a whole new device, you can simply replace the screen for a couple hundred dollars. But, you forgot to include the time you spend learning to replace the screen, and any tools and materials required. This will obviously depend on what your time is worth, but for me, I'd gladly pay someone else.

      And what does the on-contract price have to do with anything?

    7. Re:Durability by pne · · Score: 1

      You can get a screen replaced for a couple hundred dollars.

      Wait, is this supposed to be a good thing?

      You mean, repairing (/replacing) one component costs about as much as the device is currently worth?

      In cars, that sort of thing is called an "economical total loss", at least over here (wirtschaftlicher Totalschaden).

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    8. Re:Durability by Xest · · Score: 1

      That's great, I too have seen many cracked screens on the train every day, a friend of mine has actually been through 4 screens on one phone.

      But regardless, anecdotes are meaningless and we could go back and forth all day, so instead let's focus on the facts - the iPhone doesn't use gorilla glass or equivalent, it uses a much cheaper, weaker material than just about all flagship Android devices (the Galaxy Nexus is one exception I can think of). As such, the iPhone objectively has a weaker screen and is hence more likely and more prone to breaking whatever your anecdotes might say. As for the Blackberry I can't comment, but certainly there is objectively some truth in what the GP is saying - the iPhone has a much weaker screen than one would normally expect for the price, particularly when comparing to it's main competition, so it would make sense that on average it ends up with a broken screen more so than at least most equivalent Android (and for that matter, Windows Phone) handsets.

    9. Re:Durability by sessamoid · · Score: 2

      the iPhone doesn't use gorilla glass or equivalent, it uses a much cheaper, weaker material than just about all flagship Android devices (the Galaxy Nexus is one exception I can think of). As such, the iPhone objectively has a weaker screen and is hence more likely and more prone to breaking whatever your anecdotes might say. As for the Blackberry I can't comment, but certainly there is objectively some truth in what the GP is saying - the iPhone has a much weaker screen than one would normally expect for the price, particularly when comparing to it's main competition, so it would make sense that on average it ends up with a broken screen more so than at least most equivalent Android (and for that matter, Windows Phone) handsets.

      Umm... no. But really lousy try at trolling. The original iPhone was the first device to bring Gorilla Glass to a consumer product, and they have used it ever since. Up until the iPhone was introduced, Gorilla Glass was shelved technology at Corning that they thought would never have a commercial application. Jobs approached the president of Corning because he was unhappy with the prototype screens that were so easily scratched. You can thank Jobs for introducing Gorilla Glass to ALL mobile phones.

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    10. Re:Durability by jon3k · · Score: 1
      I actually have a Galaxy Nexus (VZW) for the record. But first of all:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorilla_glass

      Initially developed in the 1960s and relaunched in 2006 for the first iPhone, Gorilla Glass by 2010 had been used in approximately 20 percent of mobile handsets worldwide, roughly 200 million units.[4]

      I don't know if they still use Gorilla Glass or something else, but I'd like to see your source that says the iPhone uses a "cheaper, weaker material". You also make the assumption that the only thing that can break is the glass. The iPhone is uses an aluminium band around the edge, which is much tougher than my plastic Galaxy Nexus (which I love). It actually makes the nexus feel a lot lighter than an iPhone, which is one of the reasons I switched, although the ACTUAL weight is very similar.

    11. Re:Durability by jon3k · · Score: 1

      Well it's not quite that simple. See if you have the outstanding liability of the service contract you would either have to ETF out of the contract (min $350 on vzw) or buy an off contract device. And off-contract 16GB iPhone 4S costs $654. I don't know why everyone forgets the whole $199 subsidized on a 2 year contract thing - maybe its a US vs Europe issue?

  69. Re:Remember CmdrTaco's story for the first iPhone? by Missing.Matter · · Score: 5, Informative
    I believe this is the article you're looking for: http://apple.slashdot.org/story/07/01/09/1857231/iphone-apple-tv-headline-macworld-keynote

    Seriously, go check this out. They're going to print money with this thing.

    And that they did...

  70. Why go thin? by Jeng · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Ok, but why is it that every single iPhone I see is covered by a huge honkin rubber protective case?

    From what I have seen Apple should quit trying to make the thinnest iPhone possible and instead make something that can survive a drop.

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    1. Re:Why go thin? by ravenscar · · Score: 1

      This. I would prefer products built tough enough to not require a case (perhaps just a thin film on front and back). I don't own an iPhone, but I'll admit they are beautiful. It seems a waste that almost every one of them I see (outside the store) is in some ugly rubber case. My wife tried to live with a 'naked' iPhone. After two broken screens she put on one of those awful cases. So sad. A product like a phone should stand up to normal, daily use.

    2. Re:Why go thin? by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      The major reason for the large case is many women stick them in their purses where they get banged up something fierce.

      If you put it in your jeans cell pocket, you really don't need a case.

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    3. Re:Why go thin? by jader3rd · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ok, but why is it that every single iPhone I see is covered by a huge honkin rubber protective case?

      My mother purchased an iPhone 4S a little while after it came out. A few weeks later I flew down to visit her and asked how she liked her new phone. She pulled it out and showed me the case she got for it. She talked about how pretty it was; and then mentioned how all of her friends really like her case as well. I asked my dad about if she really uses her phone and he mentioned how absolutely in love she is with the case. Honestly my mom would have loved a feature phone in an equally stylish case. One success that Apple has going for it, is large enough volume to justify manufacturing a diversity of cases/skins, that will keep people on the iPhone if only for that.

      If the phone could survive a drop, why would people buy more of them?

    4. Re:Why go thin? by PeanutButterBreath · · Score: 1

      The iPhone gets a ton of additional promotion thanks to the zillions of cases that are constantly being made. There is an entire universe of consumer brands that release a new iPhone case as often as a new jacket, shoe or handbag. If you don't pay attention to fashion, this phenomenon might escape your notice. Then again, this is the iPhone we are talking about.

    5. Re:Why go thin? by zlives · · Score: 1

      "The major reason for the large case is women"
      FTFY

    6. Re:Why go thin? by Simulant · · Score: 1

      Or they could just include a case. I mean seriously, a TPU case would add pennies to the cost of a phone. They work wonderfully and should be standard equipment along with a power adapter and a cable. I'd prefer a case and a screen protector over headphones which I now have a drawer full of. Seems like a good marketing gimmick too. Everyone will know what kind of phone you have if you're using the included case.

    7. Re:Why go thin? by ravenscar · · Score: 1

      I'm not against the case phenomenon. I understand that people want to personalize their phone. There are lots of iPhones out there and a number of people want theirs to look different and thus, install a case. I'm completely fine with that. I just feel that the phone shouldn't require a case to hold up to daily use.

    8. Re:Why go thin? by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      There's less room in Americans' pants pockets lately.

      Not really. If you go to stores nowadays, they expanded the coin/key pocket to be a cell pocket inside the right front pants pocket.

      Keep up.

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    9. Re:Why go thin? by LordLucless · · Score: 1

      So much this. I've lost count of the number of friends who've dropped their iPhone, and had their smashed screen make the device totally unusable. Meanwhile my Nexus S has been dropped numerous times (and once flung across the room due to over-vigorous gesticulation), and has nothing to show for it but a tiny dent in the case.

      Apple seems to more concerned with making their device out of "premium" materials (entirely aluminium and glass) than they are about the practicality of such materials. I remember people sneering at the "cheap plastic" of my phone when I got it, but sometimes, plastic just makes more sense.

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    10. Re:Why go thin? by marauder · · Score: 1

      I used to have a huge honkin rubber protective case. A few months ago I decided to live a little, and my iPhone was stripped of its rubber outfit and screen protector. It's glorious. Thin, clear display, stylish. No cracks or scratches on either surface yet. One drop onto anything but carpet and it'll be history, but honestly a year's use of a wonderful piece of design beats three years' use of some rubber lump too fat to even fit into a pocket.

    11. Re:Why go thin? by 68kmac · · Score: 1

      Human nature. It's a tiny and precious object, so we want to protect it. Doesn't mean that it needs the protection, but it's perceived as being fragile.

    12. Re:Why go thin? by sessamoid · · Score: 1

      I'm not against the case phenomenon. I understand that people want to personalize their phone. There are lots of iPhones out there and a number of people want theirs to look different and thus, install a case. I'm completely fine with that. I just feel that the phone shouldn't require a case to hold up to daily use.

      Mine hasn't required a case. I've had a few drops (including on concrete), and the phone has survived just fine. Never broken a screen yet.

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  71. Re: post-PC world you can't code on ios and the sc by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 2

    yeah you can write the code on it try compiling it on devise though... oh wait.

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  72. Re:demographic? by Iniamyen · · Score: 1

    The extra 23% of the traffic is the intrusive ads that no one wants.

  73. Re:big ? Will AT&T let people keep unlimited p by th1nk · · Score: 2

    Yes. I was grandfathered in from the original iPhone, to a 3GS, then a 4. Recently switched to a Galaxy S3 and kept my plan, even with LTE.

  74. Re:Math fail by Mithent · · Score: 1

    It's close, but 640 isn't actually divisible by 9, so by sticking to that width they can't get a true 16:9 ratio.

  75. Re:Something shiny! by theghost · · Score: 2

    Apple's greatest strength and most damning faults laid bare in one comment.
    It just works, you know what you're getting, your old stuff keeps working.
    Evolutionary, not revolutionary. Does not play well with others.

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  76. What? by mosb1000 · · Score: 2

    If people don't care what apple does, why are they commenting in a thread about it?

    1. Re:What? by canajin56 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What good is apathy if nobody knows just how strongly you don't care?

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    2. Re:What? by tangelogee · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think it's more that they are voicing the thing that most of us are thinking - that Apple's hype is grossly overrated. Which explains why they have to resort to suing everyone else now.

    3. Re:What? by the_humeister · · Score: 1

      What good is apathy if nobody knows just how strongly you don't care?

      No kidding. In other news area man constantly mentioning that he doesn't have a TV.

    4. Re:What? by mosb1000 · · Score: 1

      What good is apathy if nobody knows just how strongly you don't care?

      I do not think that word means what you think it means.

    5. Re:What? by LodCrappo · · Score: 1

      because otherwise you're left with only comments from the freaks who really do care about a silly little gadget

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    6. Re:What? by neonmonk · · Score: 1

      Wooooooosh.

  77. This pisses me off for so many reasons... by mark-t · · Score: 4, Insightful
    • 1. They changed the aspect ratio. This is going to cause a headache for some applications designers who must now design new screen layouts and possibly reposition things to take advantage of the new display. Application complexity will be increased as the app will probably support both old and new aspect ratios.
    • 2. The maps app that Apple developed to replace Google Maps is not that good.
      • There is no Streeview facility - something that I used with Google maps all the time.
      • The "flyover" feature is only usable in certain select major cities. Although the number of cities will probably grow over time, it's my understanding that it will only ever be applicable to major cities. If you live in a smaller town, forget it. Google streetview, by comparison, works just about everywhere. The Google browser-based application will still work normally, of course, but the native map application has many features that the web application does not.
      • The turn-by-turn navigation feature that their map application has is only usable within the USA.
    • 3. The deprecation of some functionality is going to give cause for some users to not update their iOS version, which introduces delays and increases costs for development studios developing applications, who must verify that newly developed applications still work on other widespread iOS versions... especially since there may be some that will actively choose to not update.

    Ultimately, this product seems to be one that is geared towards fragmenting their own user-base. It's unhealthy for them as a company, and it's not remotely helpful to the consumer.

    1. Re:This pisses me off for so many reasons... by tgibbs · · Score: 1

      Apple's generally gotten pretty much everybody to update; I doubt if things will be much different this time around, particularly with the enhancements to Siri. Google will doubtless have their own version of Google Maps, so this is not much of a big deal. For most apps, supporting the new screen layout will just mean going through your screen displays and moving a few things around a bit--maybe a day's work. I imagine that the major apps will already by optimized for the new screen size by the time the iPhone 5 hits the street.

    2. Re:This pisses me off for so many reasons... by bradgoodman · · Score: 1

      Agreed. I am too worried about the lack of Google integration - particularly with YouTube.

    3. Re:This pisses me off for so many reasons... by WiiVault · · Score: 1

      I too am not thrilled about the new Maps. However, I'm certain Google will release a standalone app, just like the new Youtube app came out a few days ago in anticipation of being no longer bundled.

    4. Re:This pisses me off for so many reasons... by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Didn't Google say that they're going to keep the native iOS app around? You'll just have to download in from the app store now...

    5. Re:This pisses me off for so many reasons... by mark-t · · Score: 1
      I certainly hope so, but I'm not optimistic. Not because I think Google wouldn't want to do it, but because I think Apple would disallow the app on iOS6 on the grounds that it allegedly duplicates built-in functionality on the operating system.

      Of course, to be fair, they are going to have to simultaneously deprecate every GPS app out there for iOS6. This might piss off customers and developers of such applications, but Apple has a historical practice, about not giving two shits about people who don't fit into their own ideal of what they believe an end user will want.

    6. Re:This pisses me off for so many reasons... by mark-t · · Score: 1

      The loss of maps feature will not only stop some people from updating, it will cause no shortage of people from jumping ship and switching to Android, which has a full-blown Google maps application with turn-by-turn navigation already.

      Apple won't care, of course. They never do. And the drones that go on to update or to buy new apple shiny stuff will continue.

      I still feel entitled to be pissed off about it, however.

    7. Re:This pisses me off for so many reasons... by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Tell me what does the native Youtube application do that you can't do with the web interface?

    8. Re:This pisses me off for so many reasons... by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Please cite your source for this. It's my expectation that if Google were to try and do this, Apple would reject the application on iOS6 and later on the grounds that it duplicates too much of the internal functionality.

    9. Re:This pisses me off for so many reasons... by shadowrat · · Score: 1

      The maps app that Apple developed to replace Google Maps is not that good. There is no Streeview facility - something that I used with Google maps all the time.

      there is a way to use streetview in the google based ios maps app? how?

    10. Re:This pisses me off for so many reasons... by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      I don't have any source, I've just seen it mentioned here on Slashdot in comments when Apple has originally announced that it was replacing Google maps with their own.

    11. Re:This pisses me off for so many reasons... by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 2

      Apple's generally gotten pretty much everybody to update

      This is actually an interesting point.

      Apple does make it easy to update and most people do. The reason that they do this is that updates provide better functionality. In this case, not so much.

      Which means lots of people might upgrade and then get pissed that the new Maps applications sucks. And Maps is one of those things that everybody uses. How many people do you think are going to update and then wonder where their YouTube app went? "I can't watch YouTube clips anymore!"

      So when iOS 7 rolls around, they'll think twice about upgrading.

      Google will doubtless have their own version of Google Maps, so this is not much of a big deal.

      This assumes that Apple will allow them to do this. Of course, the only reason I can see for Apple not allowing this is the ol' "Duplicate Functionality" argument. On the other hand, this is the same Apple that nixed the Google Voice and Google Latitude applications because they could possibly replace "Core Functionality" of the iPhone.. And Maps is considered Core Functionality (which is why Google Latitude got nixed.)

      I gotta admit, if I were Google, I'd consider not releasing Google Maps for iOS. Apple made their bed--let them lie in it. Why should Google come along and save them?

    12. Re:This pisses me off for so many reasons... by GlenRaphael · · Score: 1

      > The turn-by-turn navigation feature that their map application has is only usable within the USA.

      I'm sure they'll extend it in due time but regardless: wherever you live, you can buy third-party apps right now in the Apple Store that do turn-by-turn navigation. Me, I bought TomTom years ago for US directions. Having turn-by-turn baked into the built-in maps app is very nice to have, but not having access to it for a while isn't a dealbreaker.

      I'm more bothered by the (equally temporary) loss of transit directions - it's worth keeping the google app around (or using the google maps website) until they plug that hole.

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    13. Re:This pisses me off for so many reasons... by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      Absolutely nothing. About the only advantage you get with the native application is you don't see advertising. That said, you also see fewer videos (ie, only the ones that don't have advertisements). Personally, I switched to using the web interface and put an alias to it in my launcher.

      What's somewhat interesting is that there is no longer a YouTube app sitting front and center. So I look at that Galaxy S3 which has a YouTube app and I look at the iPhone which doesn't and I think, "I can't watch YouTube on the iPhone."

      I wonder how many people are going to upgrade to iOS and say, "Hey, where's my YouTube app?"

    14. Re:This pisses me off for so many reasons... by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      The loss of maps feature will not only stop some people from updating [...]

      Oh, I think people will update. But when they discover that their Maps application sucks and there's no YouTube app, they'll think twice about updating to iOS 7.

    15. Re:This pisses me off for so many reasons... by mark-t · · Score: 1

      This assumes that Apple will allow them to do this.

      Indeed. Although I would expect that this would obligate Apple to also nix all of the assorted GPS apps that are also on the iPhone.

      Why should Google come along and save them?

      It's less about saving Apple than it is being considerate to end users who bought a phone only to have previously existing functionality ripped from it after the purchase.

      Apple's pulling a bait-and-switch here, and I know that there's going to be a lot of people upset with them for it.

    16. Re:This pisses me off for so many reasons... by the_B0fh · · Score: 1

      since when did Maps on the iPhone have streetview?

      since when did Apple have audio turn-by-turn?

    17. Re:This pisses me off for so many reasons... by mark-t · · Score: 1

      The maps app on iPhone has had streetview for at least as long as I've had an iPhone. Place a pin. Tap on it. Then tap the circular orange icon that resembles a portrait view of a person's head and shoulders.

    18. Re:This pisses me off for so many reasons... by quacking+duck · · Score: 1

      Find an address or drop a pin onto a street. If it has StreetView an orange "person" icon appears in the popup information box. Press it, it will go into Street View in landscape mode.

    19. Re:This pisses me off for so many reasons... by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      Indeed. Although I would expect that this would obligate Apple to also nix all of the assorted GPS apps that are also on the iPhone.

      Well, remember, it's Apple's store. They can do whatever they want.

      Also, what's to say that Apple won't nix all of the assorted navigation apps? It would only affect the US (since Turn-by-Turn Navigation is not available outside the US). Or they may just start putting silly limitations ("You must use our maps") on these developers until they give up. Think of the Kindle app.

      It's less about saving Apple than it is being considerate to end users who bought a phone only to have previously existing functionality ripped from it after the purchase.

      Well, perhaps those users will consider getting a phone that supports better mapping than Apple provides the next time around.

      Don't get me wrong--I think this would be stupid (and potentially evil) for Google to do. As long as Apple will accept the app, there's no reason for Google to not do it. The more platforms that Google is on, the more money they make. So it'd be silly for Google to not do it. Still, I gotta admit that Apple is removing pretty much all Google properties from iOS and Mac OS X (no more default link to YouTube in Safari, no more Google Maps in iPhoto, etc) so I'd love to see Google respond in kind. It'd be interesting to see if customers start walking away or not.

    20. Re:This pisses me off for so many reasons... by shadowrat · · Score: 1

      wow! that's cool! i never knew that was there. i guess i have a couple days to play around with it now :/

    21. Re:This pisses me off for so many reasons... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Informative

      The biggest difference between Google Maps and Apple's maps is not immediately obvious. Apple get their mapping data from other companies, for example with TomTom supplying street data. That is what Google was doing about five years ago when they decided to start their own data gathering project, of which Street View was just a part.

      Google analyses Street View images for things like speed limit and junction signs, the names of businesses, numbers on the front of houses, street signs, road markings and so forth. This gives them a lot of metadata about the world. They also gather data from their users, and allow corrections to be made very quickly (TomTom only releases data sets a couple of times a year, and often things like removed speed cameras take years to disappear).

      Google doesn't just map the world, it understands it. Maybe in a few years we will see Apple cars driving around photographing our streets but from the point they are at now they have a long, long way to go to catch up with Google.

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    22. Re:This pisses me off for so many reasons... by tgibbs · · Score: 1

      I gotta admit, if I were Google, I'd consider not releasing Google Maps for iOS. Apple made their bed--let them lie in it. Why should Google come along and save them?

      Right! "We'll teach you a lesson--we won't compete with you! See how you like that!"

      Remember, Google doesn't make its money from selling devices like Apple does; it is an advertising company. It makes money whether its apps are on iOS or Android, so long as its customers use them.

      If Google bows out, it just makes opportunities for other developers--there are already a great many navigation apps available for iOS.

    23. Re:This pisses me off for so many reasons... by bhiestand · · Score: 1

      I too am not thrilled about the new Maps. However, I'm certain Google will release a standalone app, just like the new Youtube app came out a few days ago in anticipation of being no longer bundled.

      I can understand wanting to use Google Maps, and I'm sure that will still be possible, if only through browser. However, Google is responsible for the atrociously terrible "navigation" in iPhones. If the articles I've read are correct, Google only wants to give the good features (voice turn-by-turn navigation, etc.) to Android.

      Given how poorly Google's iOS Map app navigates, I'm upset that Apple didn't ditch them already. Maybe now I can finally chuck my Garmin.

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  78. Re:I will not fund slavery. by ravenlord_hun · · Score: 1

    I doubt you could buy a phone (Android, Apple, MS, whatever) that doesn't have a significant portion made in China.

  79. Re:Still not HD? by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 1

    For a company that wants to be seen as being on the leading edge they could have at least tried competing with the GS3.

    HD on a 4 inch screen is like expecting Klipsch loudspeaker performance from a pair of ear buds. Now I'm not saying everyone will have the same experience, but I'm already wearing reading glasses (began at the ripe old age of 28) and am happy to be able to focus on anything within 2 feet, I'm not about to care about HD on a puny display.


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    "That's the opposing team quarterback.

    An HD screen you mean like something the Zune already had years ago.

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  80. iPad mini price point? by rjejr · · Score: 1

    So if the base price for the iPod Touch 4th gen is $199, the iPod Touch 5th gen $299, the iPad 2 $399, and the new iPad $499, what is the iPad mini going to cost? And who is going to pay $299 for an iPod Touch? My 4th gen $199 Touch is great but I'm certainly not upgrading for $299.

    1. Re:iPad mini price point? by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      The iPad mini should price out around $500 for the 32 GB version, but you can get a cheaper one if you pay tons for your data plan. You end up paying more of course, but American consumers are suckers that way.

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  81. BB by Kupfernigk · · Score: 4, Funny

    That's why RIM is in trouble. I stupidly dropped my 9810 today, nearly 5 feet. Not a scratch; just kept working. Now if that had been an iPhone, that would have been another sale for Apple.

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    1. Re:BB by quacking+duck · · Score: 1

      Huh. Maybe that's what we should've done with the failed Blackberrys that work and friends both experienced--drop them on the ground from 5 feet.

      Because they sure as heck weren't working properly after half a year of never being dropped...

  82. Connector Hell by Mephistophocles · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Apple has created a bunch of adapters to let old cables and hardware work with Lightning.

    Oh sure, and they'll be happy to let you have them for only apiece. You'll need at least 5 or 6, of course, since they're tiny and easily lost. This connector thing is the second time Apple has disapointed me with this crap; the last time was when they changed the power adapter for the Retina Macbook pro, for no good reason. Sorry Apple, I generally love your stuff, but that smells like an evil attempt to make a few (million) bucks off over-priced adapters. And it's enough to keep me with my good old iPhone 4.

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    1. Re:Connector Hell by tgibbs · · Score: 1

      5 or 6? How many docks do you have? Just put the adapter on and leave it. I'm amazed that Apple held onto that big clunky connector for as long as they did.

    2. Re:Connector Hell by vux984 · · Score: 1

      Lets see... my home theatre has a dock, my alarm clock has a dock, then i have a charger in the office at home and another at work, plus one in my car, along with the ipod connector for the stereo in both my car and my wifes car.

      So I've got uh... 7. Now I wouldn't be on the hook for 7 adapters... I'd need an adapter for the stereo, alarm clock, and for the 2 cars. I'll assume the phone comes with a wall charger so that takes care of the charger at the office.

      Plus I'd need to buy a new car charger, and a 2nd wall charger for at home.

      So I'd be on the hook for a total of 4 adapters and 2 new chargers (car + wall). That would actually add up to quite a bit.

      But... I bought a Galaxy S3 this month. (I was pretty confident the iphone 5 wasn't going to wow me, and I was right.) The micro-USB charger situation wasn't bad at all... my wife's last phone was a blackberry so we've already got a few of them.

      Admittedly I've still lost the ability to use my phone with the home theatre, alarm clock, and cars... but I've pulled an old ipod nano out of a drawer as a pretty much permanent fixture for the alarm clock. And I've made another old 4th gen 32GB ipod as a permanent fixture in my car. My wife already used her own nano with her car so that's more or less covered - I just can't use my phone. And the home theatre... its not a feature we used much anyway as I have an HTPC setup as well.

    3. Re:Connector Hell by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      My GOD! How did we ever put up with such a monstrosity! I've grown tired of needing a wheelbarrow to carry around my big clunky connector...

    4. Re:Connector Hell by countach · · Score: 1

      To be fair, they needed to make the power adapter on the Retina macbook smaller to make it fit. Sure, would've been better if they'd thought of that 5 years ago, but nobody's perfect. And nobody's overjoyed about the iphone connector changing, but after 10 years its had a good run.

    5. Re:Connector Hell by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Here's something that I've noticed - in the presentation, they call it "fully digital". Which, if I understand it correctly, means that it no longer has any analog audio.

      Now, when discussing Apple's proprietary connectors vs micro-USB/MHL in the past, the usual argument in their defense was that they wanted a single connector that can do it all, and that doesn't burden the device on the other end with overcomplicated circuitry for something that can be trivially done over an analog channel. If that advantage is now gone, it seems that there's no real reason for Apple to make this thing proprietary other than "cuz we can sell the cables for ten times the cost", is there?

  83. Re:Still not HD? by cpu6502 · · Score: 1

    >>>Get contacts or have your eyes fixed.

    Contacts or laser surgery does Not correct the stiffening of the pupil that causes an inability to focus on close objects. Nice try though.

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  84. Longer, lower, wider! by Animats · · Score: 1

    This reads like a car ad from the tailfin era of the 1950s. "Pontiac Steps Out Longer, Lower, Wider". This was such a big deal at the time that Pontiac, MI named their main street Wide Track Drive. In 1996, they changed it back to Woodward Avenue, after the Pontiac plant closed.

    It's just a new model, with very minor changes over the old model. Does about the same stuff. Get over it.

  85. Re:OK, place your bets by SternisheFan · · Score: 1

    That dumb bitch Siri that tries to communicate with you.

    This morning on the WCBS 2 news, the newscasters did some off the cuff commenting after an iPhone story. Talking about Siri, Mary Calvi frowned, then said, "It doesn't work very well.". She's a smart and beautiful lady, and that was her honest opinion. Glad I went the android route, it hassaved me lots of money.

  86. Re:OK, place your bets by Minwee · · Score: 1
  87. ...until now by tgibbs · · Score: 1

    One of the keys to Apple's success is the unshakeable conviction that "Nobody wants X--until Apple figures out how to do it right."

    1. Re:...until now by tangelogee · · Score: 5, Funny

      One of the keys to Apple's success is the unshakeable conviction that "Nobody wants X--until Apple figures out how to do it right."

      Riiiiight...so the antenna snafu was a feature for easily hanging on unwanted calls, right?

    2. Re:...until now by tgibbs · · Score: 1

      The antenna snafu was pretty much a media issue; it didn't really impact consumers or Apple's sales. As it turns out, my iPhone 3gs did the same thing. The real problem was that the grooves told people the exact place to hold to screw up reception, if they were really determined to do so. It turns out that with pretty much any phone with an internal antenna, you don't want to clutch it too tight if you're in a marginal signal area, and despite all of the "you're holding it wrong jokes," it didn't take people long to figure out how to avoid the problem. In practice, the greater sensitivity of the iPhone 4 was more significant pretty much canceled out the "grip effect" in normal use.

    3. Re:...until now by StripedCow · · Score: 1

      One of the keys to Apple's success is the unshakeable conviction that "Nobody wants X--until Apple figures out how to do it right."

      Meh. Buying Apple is like buying a LEGO kit, where all the bricks are pre-glued together. But I guess the majority of people like it that way.

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    4. Re:...until now by smash · · Score: 1

      Yup, we have a fleet of iphones, been buying them since the 3G. You know how many antenna/reception complaints we had? Zero.

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    5. Re:...until now by LodCrappo · · Score: 1

      No. The key to Apple's success is getting people to pay them a lot more than it costs them to make something.

      Everything else that someone claims is a "key to Apple's success" is simply fanboy drivel or idealistic nonsense.

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    6. Re:...until now by tgibbs · · Score: 1

      Yes, there is a reason why most people prefer to buy a car pre-assembled, rather than a box of parts like a LEGO kit. But there will always be hobbyists who would rather do it themselves. That is clearly not the market that Apple's products--especially portable ones like phones, tablets, and laptops--are designed for.

    7. Re:...until now by sessamoid · · Score: 1

      One of the keys to Apple's success is the unshakeable conviction that "Nobody wants X--until Apple figures out how to do it right."

      Meh. Buying Apple is like buying a LEGO kit, where all the bricks are pre-glued together. But I guess the majority of people like it that way.

      You're just now figuring out that the vast majority of the population don't live in their mom's basement and spooge over themselves building computers?

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    8. Re:...until now by tgibbs · · Score: 1

      In actual practice, the "fix" turned out to be not clutching your phone too tightly when you are in a marginal signal area. And this turns out to be good advice for all phones without protruding antennas, not just the iPhone. Most people do this pretty much automatically.

  88. Looks neat. Definitely an improvement. by Qbertino · · Score: 1

    Apple did improve on the iPhone 4S. I like the shape better and find it quite amazing how they upped the precision in manufacturing again by orders of magnitude. ... Awesome detail improvement whilst maintaining that neat design. Once again this electronic fashion statement is going to sell like hot cakes.

    Then again, I personally choose the Google leash over the apple lock-in any time and still am enjoying my HTC Desire HD. Great phone, tons of features, very rugged, especially with its neat Otterbox protective case. I'm probably going to use that for the next few years. Its also way cheaper *and* I can replace the battery. ... So to me there's really no need to by a piece of electronic junk every odd year right now.

    My 2 cents.

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  89. Re:demographic? by Spy+Handler · · Score: 1

    A good portion of Android tablets are $99 specials with names like Colby that parents buy to mollify their kids... and yes they often get left in the drawer after the kids get tired of them.

    Another thing is, most Android tablets (even the big brand name ones) don't have cellular antennas, so no internet browsing away from home.

  90. Re: post-PC world you can't code on ios and the sc by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

    The iPad is fine for typing or spreadsheets, especially if you get a separate keyboard for longer sessions. Screen size is not the issue... a much more glaring omission is support for track pads. Controlling a cursor via a touchscreen blows chunks.

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  91. Bandwidth, Bills, and Speed by ohnocitizen · · Score: 1

    Carriers are going to milk this. The iphone on 3G is already responsible for a ton of bandwidth. When the LTE enabled iphone 5 hits, that will go up. That means further strained networks, and customers burning up their puny data plans faster. I'd love to get a real smart phone, but with most carriers colluding on data pricing, a smart phone is an increasingly expensive luxury item.

    1. Re:Bandwidth, Bills, and Speed by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 1

      Have you seen the INSANE rates being charged for iPhone data plans? I've been seeing $15 per additional GB and even $15/300MB on some plans over your allotted caps.

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    2. Re:Bandwidth, Bills, and Speed by Urza9814 · · Score: 1

      I'm just about to switch to Credo mobile. No cap, no throttling, real unlimited data for $30/month. No significant 4G coverage yet, but my current phone is only capable of calls and texts, so I think I can survive _only_ 3G for a little while ;)

      They rent space off of Sprint -- who I believe offers the same unlimited deal. Hoping they have good coverage, but my Verizon coverage up in Rhode Island is goddamn ATROCIOUS anyway, and if you visit Credo's site you'll probably figure out pretty quick what my other motivations for switching are... (they donate to orgs like the ACLU instead of the GOP)

    3. Re:Bandwidth, Bills, and Speed by ohnocitizen · · Score: 1

      That's the problem. I've been thinking of switching to Sprint, but I hear their coverage is pretty awful. Kind of defeats the purpose of having a phone.

    4. Re:Bandwidth, Bills, and Speed by Urza9814 · · Score: 1

      Yea, I mean all I have to go off of so far is their online coverage map, and like I said I see no need for anything better than 3G (If I need to download something big, I'll hop on wifi), so it works for me. Can't be worse than the Verizon coverage I'm currently dealing with; having trouble even getting voice calls at home. But yea, if you want 4G, it doesn't look like they're really rolling anything out there yet. From their coverage map it looks like they have _maybe_ four towers that support that. (Actually, I have no clue because I don't know what kind of area a tower would cover, but you get the idea)

    5. Re:Bandwidth, Bills, and Speed by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      "iPhone" data plans? do people actually have "iPhone" data plans anymore? Actually, the only "iPhone" data plans I know of are the legacy unlimited plans which are unavailable to new subscribers. Now it's all "smart phones" that require $30/mo data commitments.

      By the way - I happen to have the cheapest modern data plan for an iPhone - $15/mo. Yes, it's only 200MB and, yes, it costs $15 for another 200MB. You know how many times I've used more than 200MB/mo on my phone in the last three years (and I do all my email, messaging, voip, maps, etc on it)? Exactly zero times. Since I don't stream audio or video, it never affects me. Hell, I've only come close once.

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  92. Re:Still not HD? by jareth-0205 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Now not competing with the display on the Galaxy Nexus (also a full 720p display and released 9 months ago)... that's a bit harder to understand.

    Well they've backed themselves into a corner with having absolute pixel positioning, so you can't just arbitrarily change the pixel count like you can on an OS with a UI layout manager. Sorry, let me re-phrase that: on a proper OS. They got away with it once by quadrupling the pixels, but they can't do that again (even if the tech was possible, there wouldn't be any point since we're at the limit of human eye capability). To go to something like 1240x720 would require all sorts of weird scaling, and not look very good. Soooo... what can they do? Maintain the pixel width and add black bars, and put some API for the developers to work around it. I'm very glad I'm not a iOS developer now, I have no idea how they can support that without it being pretty hacky.

  93. Sapphires are a good thing actually by Khyber · · Score: 2

    "And a sapphire crystal lens cover, for whatever that's worth."

    With a hardness of roughly 9 on the Mohs hardness scale, that means it is much more resistant to scratching versus glass. This keeps image quality good, as a scratched lens protection plate will always fuck with the clarity of your images.

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    1. Re:Sapphires are a good thing actually by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      Thank God for this. I've replaced my glass cover twice on my 4. The camera is very, very good for photos in decent lighting, but the cover gets scratched if you look at it sideways. Between this and the all-band multi-mode phone (if it really is...I'll be interested to see if they separate the LTE/HSPA+ versions for the two major carriers) it's a win for me. Besides, with 2 years on my 4 I need a new battery anyway, and it's almost as cheap to just re-up for a new phone!

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  94. Re:Still not HD? by semi-extrinsic · · Score: 1

    Sure it looks good, but that doesn't mean it's not overkill. Have you tried a double-blind comparison with a same-size screen at a lower resolution? Or testing how close you have to hold it to identify lines at the screen's Nyquist frequency? Personally, I find 320x480 on a 3.2" screen to be just perfect (and I have contacts, saw the optician three months ago). Scaling up to 4", that would be 360x540.

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  95. Re: post-PC world you can't code on ios and the sc by s73v3r · · Score: 4, Insightful

    post-PC doesn't mean that the PC isn't around anymore. It just means it's not the main device in most people's lives.

  96. Hand-customize app to meet all Mac screen sizes? by tepples · · Score: 2

    Apple's view is that an app should be hand-customized to support the resolution and screen size of the device

    That would have worked back when all Macs had a 512x342 pixel monochrome screen, and it may work on iOS, but Mac screen sizes vary quite a bit as of now. Is the key difference here the fact that iOS apps run maximized but Mac apps need not?

  97. One interesting thing is colors by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 2

    While having two basic shell color models reduces parts supply problems, and allows for quick fixes for breakage, a missing rebrand upscaling of the iPhone 5 is the ability to buy it with shell casing matching school colors.

    For example, at the UW Bookstore, you could get a Dawg iPhone 5 with Purple and Gold colors. A part of the proceeds could go to the university or college doing this.

    Up till now, most people have settled for fab work done by friends, or used shell cases such as the waterproof rugged casing a lot of my friends who keep them in their purses use, but it's the most obvious thing, other than "signed" cases done by designers such as Hermes or so on.

    Face it, if you're going dancing, you probably want the slimmest profile for the phone you can get, as well as a user-identifiable dongle. Just look at the Japanese teen market for ideas in this sphere.

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  98. Re:Something shiny! by s73v3r · · Score: 1

    How about just paying more attention to the battery, and charging it when it needs it?

  99. Re:I will not fund slavery. by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    Lots of fab work is being done in Vietnam, Thailand, and other countries, due to increased costs in China, actually.

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  100. Trade thinner for longer battery by Nanosphere · · Score: 1

    Seriously I don't care if it's thinner. I'll trade a thicker iphone if it gives me a longer battery life.

  101. Re:monopoly by s73v3r · · Score: 1

    Ask Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft about it first.

  102. Re:I will not fund slavery. by ravenlord_hun · · Score: 1

    I kind of doubt that someone not buying a phone to not "fund slavery" in China will happily opt to buy one that funds "slavery" in say, Vietnam instead. Just a hunch, though. :)

    That said, I only heard that only processes that are cheaper to relocate (like clothes) are being moved so far? Though it is only a matter of time if the labour costs in China keep increasing...

  103. Re:iOS had pano before by tangelogee · · Score: 4, Informative

    Samsung's panorama feature has been around since at least the Omnia. And it was a function in the Phone app, not a separate app.

  104. Re:demographic? by mattack2 · · Score: 1

    Wow, you must live in the boonies, if you don't have any WiFi spots away from home. (Work, stores, restaurants, etc..)

  105. Re: post-PC world you can't code on ios and the sc by Urza9814 · · Score: 1

    Interestingly, you _can_ do that on Android -- I had a friend write a basic 'hello world' app on his Galaxy SIII within a couple days of buying it, just because he could.

    Now, why you would actually WANT to....hell if I know. Maybe if the app you wrote has a bug that you happen to discover while using it in a plane mid-flight while your laptop isn't in your carry-on and you absolutely must fix it right now?

  106. No, not letterboxing. Apps already deal with this by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Informative

    Wow, letterboxing? Really? Really? Did Apple just never learn how to make an API for UI elements that doesn't suck?

    Yes, in fact they did it from the release of the SDK.

    An app has ALWAYS had to take into account the screen might shrink somewhat for an incoming call; it increases the header size.

    The same auto-layout logic (again present since the release of the SDK) would also handle simply expanding an app to fill the screen. Some apps might look a little funny until they get updated, but not too bad.

    If Apple had increased the WIDTH, then there would have been major issues as many fewer app developers plan for that varying.

    The question is if Apple is going to let apps auto-resize, or if they will present bars until you re-compile and re-submit the app. But the point is that apps already are handling variable heights to some degree so this is not a tricky thing.

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  107. Re:Hand-customize app to meet all Mac screen sizes by tgibbs · · Score: 1

    Pretty much. On a small touch-screen device, screen space is precious. Things can't just scale with resolution on an iPhone, for example, as they do on a computer monitor, because a finger is not a precise pointing device like a mouse. And you have only one "window" on an iOS device, while a Mac has multiple windows that you can manipulate the proportions of, so a different proportioned screen is not such a problem.

  108. How is this fragmentation? by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    With all of these different versions of iOS and different versions of hardware, Apple is creating Fragmentation! (gasp!)

    Not really.

    Going forward, most app developers will target only iOS5/iOS6. The adoption rate is really high, and since most app developers keep support for a release back it helps the users migrate also.

    As for devices, you still have only the iPhone screen size to code for, or the iPad screen size.

    Yes there is a slightly taller iPhone now, but it's just one more row on a table. Apps have to already adapt for varying heights as an incoming call changes the header height; the auto-layout code will simply adapt for the larger screen area to (for tables there is zero extra work).

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  109. Re:monopoly by jon3k · · Score: 1

    Hopefully not, so we can accelerate the development of HTML5 applications.

  110. You misunderstand by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Post-PC does not mean OC's are dead; they will always remain.

    But you also misunderstand what post-pc means. It does not mean post-pc devices are not general computing devices; they are simply general purpose computing devices that you can use far more like appliances than well, the PC computers (Mac and Windows) you used to know.

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  111. Re:The new cable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    how the fuck do ppl have so many fucking cables? i've had an iphone for a couple years and i've never felt a need for more than the usb cable that came with it. i could possibly see one for work and one for at home if you burn a lot of battery but seriously wtf ppl make it sound like they have a dozen fucking cables

  112. Re:Something shiny! by jeti · · Score: 1

    Can you introduce us? I'll bring my phone.

  113. Re: post-PC world you can't code on ios and the sc by BorgDrone · · Score: 1

    Unlike the 'good old days' when people used to write whole OSes on their phone ?

  114. Re:demographic? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

    Maybe that means that iPad users actually use their tablets and Android owners just leave it in a drawer?

    Anecdote time: My family has two iPads and four Android devices (Kindle, Nook, etc.). My wife and kids use the iPads everyday. The others haven't been turned on in over a month.

  115. Re:Still not HD? by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

    Actually either would via several methods.
    Presbyopia can be dealt with either by progressive contacts, or laser surgery for one eye to be setup for close focus and the other far.

    Nice try on not know what you are talking about and still being smug about it.

  116. Lines will be short by Vapula · · Score: 3, Informative

    Samsung was waiting for the presentation to have an official confirmation that iPhone 5 will have LTE...
    Now, they'll ask for a ban of the device and people who will preorder will take the risk of waiting for ages before having their brand new phone...

    So the lines may be quite short after all... Because people want their breand new toy NOW and not in a uncertain future...

    1. Re:Lines will be short by pyite · · Score: 1

      Now, they'll ask for a ban of the device and people who will preorder will take the risk of waiting for ages before having their brand new phone...

      Doubtful. The stock shows no sign of this worry. And I find it extremely unlikely that a US court is going to bow to a Korean company to ban a product in the US. There is little to gain for a judge in that position. Justice is not blind.

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    2. Re:Lines will be short by Scowler · · Score: 2

      Qualcomm has already licensed those LTE patents in question. End of story. This threat of litigation is entirely FUD.

    3. Re:Lines will be short by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Actually the FCC already ruled on this, and Samsung can "try" to pin LTE being used a certain way - but not under the
      general assumption that only one phone maker (Samsung) has exclusive rights to it.
      How the LTE is used was taken care of by Apple by the integrated chip (of which Samsung uses two) to get around this....
      LTE is LTE - and so will be the next speed threshold for mobile devices - and no one can patent that

    4. Re:Lines will be short by mhsobhani · · Score: 1

      Apparently Samsung told Qualcomm their patents used in LTE chips cannot be re-licensed to apple. Qualcomm sells the chips in question to apple but they have to get the licence directly from Samsung if they want to use the technology embedded in the chips. let me know if i'm wrong.

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    5. Re:Lines will be short by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      That is one thing that Apple people foaming about RAND licenses for telecoms don't get. There is more than one way to implement a standard. Just because a company has patents on how to optimize specific parts of the standard it does not mean it is mandatory to use it. Yet Apple does it anyway. They use other people's patented features and expects to pay the same as other smartphone manufacturers which cross license their patent portfolio while not cross licensing their own patent portfolio.

    6. Re:Lines will be short by wisdom_brewing · · Score: 1

      And the added boost the economy so very much needs

      http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-500395_162-57511984/will-the-iphone-5-boost-u.s-gdp/

  117. Re:Still not HD? by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

    At that resolution it looks like utter shit. If you cannot see the pixels then you need an eye exam.

    It cannot be double-blind. The difference between 1280x720 and 320x480 on a 4" screen are far to obvious.

    For a simple comparison put a 4S next to a rezound. The differences are to obvious for any double blind testing.

  118. No contract plans? by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 1

    I'd like to buy one outright and go w/ a no-contract plan. Anyone know how that works?

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    1. Re:No contract plans? by Galaga88 · · Score: 1

      It's an option. They cost a helluva lot more (The $S is currently $549, I presume the 5 would be $100 more), and I don't know if the carriers give much of a discount for no-contract BYOP plans. (T-Mobile does, but you're not going to get 3G, no less LTE with an iPhone on T-Mobile).

      http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_iphone/family/iphone/iphone4s

      Pick a color, then "Unlocked" is an option instead of carrier.

    2. Re:No contract plans? by ThePeices · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'd like to buy one outright and go w/ a no-contract plan. Anyone know how that works?

      Yes Apple User I can help you here, it works well and is pretty easy.

      When they are available, you go to the store and tell the salesperson that you would like to buy an iPhone 5. The salesperson says 'ok' and grabs one and then tells you what the price is for an iPhone 5 with no contract. You then use your payment method of choice and pay the correct amount of money. Once the transaction is completed, the salesperson hands you your new iPhone 5. You then walk out of the store.

      Congratulations, if you have made it this far, you have done what we in the industry call a "purchase". You have now "bought" an iPhone 5 and in most cases you now "own" it.

      Please reply if you have trouble understanding these instructions, and Ill do my best to explain how this "purchasing" process works.

    3. Re:No contract plans? by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      I believe you can do this at the Apple Store. It's GSM-only and $549 for the iPhone 4S.

    4. Re:No contract plans? by jxander · · Score: 1

      I'd be more interested in the next step : connecting up to an established cellular network. Do we know which providers will support a non-contract iPhone 5 and/or what the fees and data usage limits will be?

      The report mentioned a new slimmer SIM chip. Will this cause any technical difficulties on the smaller market providers?

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    5. Re:No contract plans? by Zanadou · · Score: 1

      You have now "bought" an iPhone 5 and in most cases you now "own" it.

      I've never seen more appropriate scare quotes.

  119. Re:Something shiny! by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

    Somebody's jealous.

  120. Re:The new cable by amorsen · · Score: 1

    Indeed, there is absolutely no excuse for not going with play micro-USB like every other manufacturer. How they get away with it in the EU I have no idea.

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  121. Re:Something shiny! by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

    Did you see the bit about the battery life - there you go.

  122. Re:Hand-customize app to meet all Mac screen sizes by ZiakII · · Score: 2

    . Things can't just scale with resolution on an iPhone, for example, as they do on a computer monitor, because a finger is not a precise pointing device like a mouse.

    ummm.... why not? That is how Android does it.

  123. surprise! by Cyko_01 · · Score: 1

    it looks just like the last 5 iphones

  124. Re:Still not HD? by semi-extrinsic · · Score: 1

    Congratulations on completely misunderstanding the concept of double-blind. You're basically saying that it's impossible to do a double-blind comparison of club soda and water, because everyone can tell the difference. Go google it.

    And regarding my screen, here is a screenshot taken on my phone. Try displaying it at 100% zoom, and then tell me it looks like utter shit. This disregards the fact that your PC monitor has a lower DPI than my phone, so it actually looks worse on the monitor than in real life.

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  125. Re:The new cable by bradgoodman · · Score: 1
    I *DO* have a "dozen fucking cables".

    My car, and my wife's car - home (one downstairs for use when the battery is low, and one by the nightstand upstairs). I always keep one in my laptop bag, and one in each of my offices (two offices). I keep a couple on my boat (short cable for the helm to use as GPS, and a longer cable in the cabin to charge and watch movies). I also keep one in my travel bag - so when I'm on the road, I don't have to worry about forgetting to pack a charger cable.

    My wife and I both have iPhones - so almost multiply these by two for that - and I have an iPad too (I don't have an iPad cable in all these places, but my downstairs charger and my boat I do, for example).

    So yes, that's a lot of cables. But for $0.99 a piece - I don't care. When you talk about apple wanting $20 for a freaking USB/Charger cable - that's quite a reason NOT to go with the new phone.

  126. Re:Math fail by Desler · · Score: 1

    It's close enough that no one cares. 15.975:9 vs 16:9 is such a miniscule difference.

  127. Re: post-PC world you can't code on ios and the sc by idontgno · · Score: 1

    Let's not kid ourselves. The main device in most peoples' lives is the TV, and has been for decades, and will be for decades more.

    This is squabbling for second place, and even then, the PC wasn't it. There wasn't a second place until smartphones and tablets created it.

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  128. Re: post-PC world you can't code on ios and the sc by Grayhand · · Score: 1

    post-PC world you can't code on ios and the screen is to small to do big typing / excel type work.

    Ah you do know they are talking about a phone?

  129. Re: post-PC world you can't code on ios and the sc by fermion · · Score: 1
    I think this 'coding on the device the program is to run' is simply a misconception of the kids who don't program, and the less programing one has done, the more of misconception is it. In reality, one can code on the iPad and even iPhone, though I don't know who would be dumb enough to do the later. All one would have to do is create text files on the iPad, send them to a mac to be complied and linked, and then run the executable on the iPad. Except for the later step, this is who I coded for many years.

    What people are complaining about is the lack of an IDE on the iPad. This is only an issue if all you have ever done is simple programs for single platforms. Most of us have done more. For instance, how many Java programs of web pages run only on one platform. Sure if you are a MS programmer this may be true, but for most people they may code on a Mac, but most of the programs are run on PC. This cross platform skill is one that may be lost in time. I know the two situations are not parallel, but the point is. Basic coding and debugging is often platform independent. It is the fact that one can only emulate the iOS that is the difficulty. But even that is not such a big deal. There are now several distinct devices that a program must function on. Even if you coded in iOS, and only had it running on the latest iPad, one would lose the market share of all the other devices.

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  130. Update: it will letterbox by default... by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    I was wrong about it automatically adjusting the app size up. It will letterbox...

    But like I said since most apps already have to deal with height changes it will be mostly a re-compile (except for games).

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  131. Re:Hand-customize app to meet all Mac screen sizes by tgibbs · · Score: 1

    If things just scaled with resolution, then targets would be too small for easy selection on a retina display. Of course, everything can be made resolution-independent so that objects rescale to a constant apparent size, but that will never look quite as nice as a display hand-optimized for a particular resolution.

  132. Re:Something shiny! by __aagmrb7289 · · Score: 1

    It's not going to change your life, get you laid

    You don't know my wife...

    It sounds like maybe a lot of people know your wife...

  133. Greater Truth. by EnsilZah · · Score: 1

    To the uninitiated those statements may seem contradictory but you have to understand that that they were only meant for the primitive people of that time and with our better understanding of the glory of Jobs we can see a greater truth being revealed in the living Apple.

  134. Re:Why do you need them? by MikeBabcock · · Score: 3, Informative

    How is it hypocritical to hope Samsung gives Apple a taste of their own medicine?

    Note: Samsung's upset about a patented technology they actually own and invented. Apple sued over mostly design patents that many places in the world mock because they simply shouldn't be patentable. Also it seems quite likely that Apple's own patents will be overturned on appeal since prior art was ignored by the jury.

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  135. Re:Hand-customize app to meet all Mac screen sizes by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1
    ummm.... why not? That is how Android does it.

    I think you just answered your own question!

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  136. Re:Something shiny! by Truedat · · Score: 1

    It's not going to change your life, get you laid

    You don't know my wife...

    Au contraire. I know your wife very well. Every night!

  137. Re:Still not HD? by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

    I know what double blind means, in this case it cannot work as the testee and testor will both know which is which. Try to do a double blind test of mud and water.

  138. Re:demographic? by grumpyman · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure about Android tab, but my Playbook is definitely gathering dust on my desk.

  139. Re:Still not HD? by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

    Very blurry text and around edges of icons. I would not consider that acceptable. Could be my monitor though.

  140. Re:Still not HD? by josath · · Score: 1

    Compare the actual number of subpixels on the two phones. The GS3 and Nexus have 2/3rd the number of subpixels in a regular display (they go RG BG instead of RGB RGB), which makes them seem to have a higher resolution.

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  141. Re:Still not HD? by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

    having one eye setup for close focus and the other setup for far sounds like a recipe for crashing my car all the time.

  142. Apple falling behind the competition by hherb · · Score: 1

    In a nutshell - their new "flagship" is failing to catch up with the innovation shown in Samsung's and HTC's new models. Comparing specs, the iPhone 5 looks like a yesteryear product. Looks like Apple is following Microsoft on a downwards spiral soon - as soon as the current generation of uncritical gullible fanboys dies out.

  143. Density classes by tepples · · Score: 1

    Then have different versions of textures and the like for normal and retina density classes, but allow screen size to vary somewhat within a single density class. For example, low-density textures could work with had a small screen device with 320x480 pixels or a slightly (physically) larger device with 360x640 pixels, and high-density textures would work on an iP4/4S with 640x960 or a larger device with 720x1280 pixels. Layouts would spread slightly on the larger device, revealing more document between the top and bottom toolbars. That's what Android does.

    1. Re:Density classes by tgibbs · · Score: 1

      Apple basically does the same thing, but with a more limited range of pixel densities, each one can be exacy tuned to the device. And since the iPhone 5 does not introduce a new pixel density, it is not a factor here

  144. Web pages made for 950px width by tepples · · Score: 1

    Yeah. I miss the times when web pages were finely crafted for a specific resolution.

    They still are, using this CSS idiom: body { width: 950px; margin: 0 auto }

  145. Livin' in a post-PC world! by yurtinus · · Score: 1

    And I am a post-PC girl!

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  146. Two hates do not make a right by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Samsung's upset about a patented technology they actually own and invented.

    That they ALSO agreed to share under reasonable terms with all other companies making communication devices. Should it be up to Samsung to decide who gets to ship an LTE phone? If so, should LTE really be declared a standard at all? It's not even like Apple coded the thing, they are just using a Qualcomm chip!

    That is a far more heinous crime than Apple suing because some devices look essentially identical.

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    1. Re:Two hates do not make a right by thedarknite · · Score: 1

      According to the media that I've been reading neither Samsung or HTC have submitted their LTE patents to the FRAND pool.

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    2. Re:Two hates do not make a right by busyqth · · Score: 1

      That's not true. LTE patents aren't FRAND. Apple is going to (rightfully) get slammed here.

      LTE is an international standard. That means that either Samsung's LTE-related patents are covered under a FRAND agreement, or Samsung will lose the right to use all of the LTE-related patents that are covered under a FRAND agreement if they try to sue over LTE. Suing over standard-essential patents is just stupid, and won't help Samsung at all.

    3. Re:Two hates do not make a right by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      LTE is an international standard. That means that either Samsung's LTE-related patents are covered under a FRAND agreement, or Samsung will lose the right to use all of the LTE-related patents that are covered under a FRAND agreement if they try to sue over LTE. Suing over standard-essential patents is just stupid, and won't help Samsung at all.

      _If_ Samsung could stop Apple from shipping the iPhone 5 with LTE in some area, then Apple would need only _one_ valid LTE patent to stop anyone shipping LTE phones in that area. Since Apple has over 400, you could be sure that Samsung wouldn't ship in that area either. (This all won't happen because of FRAND licensing requirements, but that would be the consequence).

  147. Sue back by manekineko2 · · Score: 1

    This is why Apple has been resorting to lawsuits

    Nevermind that Samsung also sued Apple. Nevermind that the iPhone was banned for two years in Korea.

    What is Samsung supposed to be, Gandhi? If Apple sues Samsung, and Samsung counter sues back in self-defense, is that really "resorting to lawsuits" in your mind?

  148. Apple to Announce iphone X in Comming Months! by El+Fantasmo · · Score: 1

    Who gives a shit? Seriously, this isn't even tech worthy. This would be news if Apple switched to open/standard codecs/protocols to allow interoperability with non Apple devices or they switched to USB 3, or opened the walled garden.

  149. Re:Still not HD? by Roogna · · Score: 1

    Actually, for a lot of apps it won't be much work at all. I have a slew of apps I develop that all have the few constraints set up properly, I'm more than able to change the size of any of the views and have them resize exactly as they should.

    On the other hand I'm glad they don't just scale it without letting the app Opt-In, as I also have products that expect the views to be a very specific ratio (a game for one), and I wouldn't want it just changing that ratio on the game and making our nice pixel art suddenly look oddly sized.

  150. The biggest reason to avoid? by Gonoff · · Score: 1

    I am sure that it is a nice phone.
    It may even outperform top end androids more than a couple of years old. I want to hear comparisons.
    It may even use the version of 4G used by over 4% of humanity.

    Apples market share will go up for a while as all their enthusiasts get the new "must have" device.
    Then it will carry on falling and the 68% of smartphone users using Android increases and the 17% using iPhones will carry on falling.

    why?

    A couple of reasons but the biggest one is price. For those of us who pay nearly as much as iPhone users it is a bit more tortuous....

    There is no ********* way I want to be mistaken for a brain dead, idiot who feels that having a #shiny iDevice will help me reach my aspirations in lifestyle or just becoming one of the "beautiful people"
    It's a flaming smartphone, not a passport to a changed lifestyle!

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  151. Re:Hand-customize app to meet all Mac screen sizes by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

    If things just scaled with resolution, then targets would be too small for easy selection on a retina display.

    I think you're confused.

    The original iPhone had a 480 x 320 pixel screen @ 163 dpi. The iPhone 4's "Retina Display" was 960 x 640 @ 326 dpi. So pixel doubling would work fine. In fact, I'm pretty sure that when you ran an app that did not support the "Retina Display," it did just that. So the UI can scale just fine.

    The problem is that bit-mapped graphics don't scale so well. So an image that looked good at 163 dpi will look blurry when doubled. The rule of thumb from my old days with bitmaps was that scaling anything more than 25% will start to show artifacts. So 200% will look ugly. The fact that the pixels are twice as close together, though, will remove the "ugly" and just make it look blurry.

    So, other than bitmap graphics, scaling works fine. And there are plenty of ways to set things up so that different shapes work fine, as well. Heck, Apple does this with Cocoa--you can define where controls are placed in the window respective to the edges and to other controls so that if the user resizes the window, the controls move around appropriately.

    That said, this assumes that you are using standard Cocoa-touch controls in your iOS app. Of course, most iOS apps are games which take over the screen, draw their own controls, etc., and they have to be sensitive to the shape of the screen. I'd imagine that most of them are not which is why the iPhone 5 will place those apps in a box that pretends it's 960 x 480.

  152. Re:Something shiny! by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

    Why thank you, anonymous entity!

  153. Re: post-PC world you can't code on ios and the sc by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 2

    "post-PC" does not mean "no PC"

  154. Re:Police may block mobile devices via Apple by PPH · · Score: 1

    Good. So when the cops ask your wireless provider to block your phone, if its an Apple, it gets blocked. If it's a Samsung, for example, they can just say, "Sorry. Can't do that. Apple will sue for patent violations".

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  155. Re:Something shiny! by onyxruby · · Score: 1

    Okay, replying to myself after reading the summaries from the stories that came out and I hit the nail on the head. The only thing I missed was the you can plug the proprietary cable in either direction. There really wasn't anything new or noteworthy on this phone other than what I said. (slight bump in the IOS, but that is almost trivial and all iphones get that).

    Pretty sad when you labelled flamebait for refusing to kiss Apples ass or refusing to comply with group think. Can we get a 'disagree' button for the fanbois please?

  156. That was an actual product by shadowofwind · · Score: 1
  157. Re:Still not HD? by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

    For a company that wants to be seen as being on the leading edge they could have at least tried competing with the GS3.

    HD on a 4 inch screen is like expecting Klipsch loudspeaker performance from a pair of ear buds.

    So get an iPad.

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  158. Life... how do it work? by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

    Huh. I have a 12 year old dumb phone (will probably get me an iPhone 5 finally) that I have never dropped once.

    I think it's because it's a Motorola phone built to the MIL-SPEC for cell phones and can supposedly take some heavy abuse.

    I'm sure I'll get the relatively more fragile iPhone and drop it on the way out of the store. ;-)

  159. Re:demographic? by wvmarle · · Score: 1

    Or the rest are Kindle-type e-readers that while tablets are used to read books,not for surfing the web.

  160. Re: post-PC world you can't code on ios and the sc by trashcoder · · Score: 1

    Who the hell baggage checks their laptop when they fly anywhere? Baggage handlers aren't really known for their excellent handling of baggage. The amount of checked luggage that goes missing is also a factor.

  161. Most important question of ALL! by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1
  162. Sue your self by ilotgov · · Score: 1

    Apple can now sue itself for copying the look and feel of their previous models.

  163. Re: post-PC world you can't code on ios and the sc by Exclamation+mark! · · Score: 1

    I'd say we're still in the PC world. It's just that the "P" stands for portable now. In fact you could argue it's even more "personal" than the previous "PC".

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  164. Box within a box by Kevin+Newman · · Score: 1

    The sandbox is now letterboxed

  165. Re:demographic? by Internal+Modem · · Score: 1

    It means the 32% market share for non-IOS tablets may be exaggerated by manufacturers reporting sales into the distribution channel rather than to actual consumers.

  166. Re:Still not HD? by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

    Rob Murray from EA got up on stage to show a racing game, claiming that the graphics "have been built to full console quality."

    Apparently, Apple and EA don't think the small form factor lowers the bar for display capability.

    Yeah, obviously Nintendo is right: same resolution, much bigger screen, that's the way to go. Samsung Galaxy IV will have an 6.5" screen and people will say "finally a phone I can hold with my obese hands". The same people that said the iPhone was too big to use when it came out.

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  167. Re:demographic? by MindlessAutomata · · Score: 1

    Seriously, I live in Nebraska and I take my tablet with me and don't really worry about cellular. In fact I never would have used that; I'm not paying for a dataplan for it! If I want to I will just tether it to my phone.

  168. Re:Still not HD? by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

    An HD screen you mean like something the Zune already had years ago.

    Broken Link aside, yeah, a 480 x 272 pixel HD screen, that's what he was talking about.

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  169. Re:demographic? by MindlessAutomata · · Score: 1

    The Kindle and Nooks are "fake" android, that is, they are specifically made for certain ecosystems and offer a rather stripped-down experience--mostly geared towards reading. They are analogous devices by any means. I've used my mother's ipad and I can't see why anyone would want one over an android with equivalent power--it's so stripped down and certain tasks on Android are just so much simpler because it's more functional, I can't fathom why someone would want one other than app compability.

  170. Re: post-PC world you can't code on ios and the sc by Urza9814 · · Score: 1

    Yea, that was kind of my point. I figured the insanity of the rest of that sentence would have been enough of a hint ;)

  171. Re:Still not HD? by WilyCoder · · Score: 1

    If money is truly your concern then you wouldn't be signing up for ass-raping contracts with AT&T or Verizon.

  172. Re:Still not HD? by dave420 · · Score: 1

    I feel I must disagree. If you hold the screen at the right distance from your face, higher resolutions are indeed useful. Maybe it's not great for you, but I sure appreciate it.

  173. Re:Still not HD? by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

    Didn't Samsung have a design patent somewhere for 4" rectangles? I mean Apple monopolizes the 3.5"/9.7" rectangle space, but all the other sizes have been introduced before by somebody else?

    You do know that design patents don't mention dimensions anywhere? Of course you don't. None of you does.

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  174. Re:Something shiny! by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

    Having just run on such a fixed-battery device as primary device, I really felt myself getting paranoid about always having it hooked up to the charger, be it in the car, at home, in the train, and so on. (And despite progress in this relation, there are quite a bit of trains that still have no power outlets, now explain me how you plan to use your iPhone for entertainment on your next 18 hours trip across Europe, I mean you'll be sleeping perhaps 6-8 hours of this, but 10-12 hours usage is still hard). And yes, I've been reading ebooks on my mobile devices years before ebooks become mainstream.

    That's what external batteries are for - and they work on more than one device too.

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  175. Re:Something shiny! by Algae_94 · · Score: 1

    Care to elaborate on why it's a bigger deal for you. Do you think the share price will go one way or the other based on this announcement?

  176. Use Real Apps by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Then a user tilts the phone into landscape mode and all that rationale dissapears.

    If an app supports rotation it will DEFIANTLY be adjusted to work properly since the form factor is strange on the side and apps that can rotate have been wired out the wazoo to adjust to different sizes.

    However most apps simply don't support rotation, or support only limited rotation for a few things like video - where turning to the side causes no issues...

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  177. Re: post-PC world you can't code on ios and the sc by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 1

    ...for whatever it's worth, jailbreaking can largely close that particular gap. That's obviously not an excuse for the hubris of the Clan of Steve, but it's still... y'know, true.

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  178. Re: post-PC world you can't code on ios and the sc by Urza9814 · · Score: 1

    Ah, so you can get that particular point in the geek phone pissing content with Apple as well, as long as you jailbreak (And what geek in such a contest wouldn't?) Good to know...I guess. ;)

  179. Re:demographic? by LodCrappo · · Score: 1

    maybe it means that almost nobody uses tablets after the initial "oh wow, look its a really big smartphone" phase wears off, but there are a few diehard Apple people who just can't get over it. We may never know.

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  180. Re: post-PC world you can't code on ios and the sc by LodCrappo · · Score: 1

    Oh... glad someone cleared that up. I thought they were using the word "post" in the traditional way and I just couldn't see how it made any sense.

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  181. Qualcomm by Scowler · · Score: 1

    I didn't know Samsung was so eager to get in a spat with Qualcomm again...

  182. Qualcomm can use LTE by Scowler · · Score: 1

    ... and so can, by extension, Qualcomm's customers.

  183. Re:Something shiny! by mug+funky · · Score: 1

    does it work for anyone, or just you? :)

  184. Yes, There Is by meehawl · · Score: 1

    There is still no serious Android competitor to the new iPad, with its unparalleled 2048x1536 display.

    Ye, there is. Because the Android OEM ecosystem is versatile, you can go with the low-res screens for $50-$150, the standard res screens ($150-$350), or fork out for the higher res screens ($350+) such as the Transformer Infinity (1920x1200, 224ppi) or the Iconia A700 (1920x1200, 224ppi). Yes, they are not 264ppi like the iPad 3, but with a blind A/B test, it's tough for people to distinguish that difference. And these screens can emit brighter than the iPad's (For the Prime, way brighter), and as Big Box stores have found, for many people an enhanced dynamic range with brightness is a often a bigger eye candy sales factor than resolution (cf, 720p plasma screens).

    And I'm not even going near Android phone screens, where you run a continuum of ppi screens from crappy through the 200s into the 300s that sometimes are equivalent to exceed the iPhone's 326 ppi and, again, with OLED tech look way punchier.

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  185. Re:Still not HD? by mug+funky · · Score: 1

    but the competitors have been doing it for a while.

    while i agree that consuming traditional media (movies etc) on these devices is a stupid idea, that doesn't mean Apple couldn't simply have rounded up either the size of the phone or the density of the screen (whichever would be cheapest). 1136x640 is a dumb screen size and complies with no standards - not even apple's own itunes standards (neither HD or SD). it's not so far from 1280x720 that it would have killed their design to do it.

    but then they wouldn't have apologists dismissing it with yet another "who would ever need $FEATURE? it's a phone, not a computer!" handwave.

  186. Re:Still not HD? by mug+funky · · Score: 1

    this matters less than you might think if you're watching video which is has an even sparser chroma sampling of 4:2:0. you could get away with a bayer pattern for video. UI might be a different issue.

  187. Re:demographic? by jampola · · Score: 1

    I bought an iPad ages ago, was cool for a few weeks and then it went into the draw. Thought I would try my luck with an Samsung GTab 10.1 and after a few months, went in the draw, and now i have the Nexus7 and it goes everywhere with me.

    The moral of this? Different stroke for folk. Mind you, Tim's comments regarding the iPad accounting for x amount of web traffic holds absolutely no water as a fair share of these tablets are used in schools (usually with their web browsers uninstalled) or people who know how to effectively use them AS a tablet and not a web browser.

  188. Re:I will not fund slavery. by jampola · · Score: 1

    I have spoken to a fair share of ex-Foxconn workers as I am regularly in Shenzen and whilst you read all the stuff about the things that happen in the Apple factory, it's not that bad for every factory within Foxconn.

    It's my understanding that Apple merely "rents" space and machinery from Foxconn and that the management and everything else is outsourced. Whether this is a request from Apple or Foxconn I have no idea but it's a bit more settling knowing that not every Foxconn factory is the same.

  189. Re:Still not HD? by fishb0ne · · Score: 1

    If you are talking about iOS as I believe you are, that is not true. See mccodemonkey's post above. iOS has supported dynamic positioning since iOS 2.

  190. Re:Something shiny! by hahn · · Score: 1

    Not necessarily based on just the announcement. But knowing the product specs gives me an idea of how well it's going to sell. How well it's going to sell gives me an idea of their earnings growth. Earnings growth = share price growth. Since the phone looks good, I'd say my shares are looking good.

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  191. Re: post-PC world you can't code on ios and the sc by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 1

    Exactly!

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  192. Re:Something shiny! by hahn · · Score: 1

    Why because they increased by 1.35% (papa can get those new dancing shoes now)? My Nokia shares have almost doubled in value since i bought them a month ago.

    I bought mine before the 1st iPad and have continued to buy shares because I had confidence in their long term growth and still do. Can you say the same for Nokia? I buy and hold. Doubled shares in one month is because of luck, not wise investing. If you think it is, then good luck to you in all your investments. Because that's what you're going to need.

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  193. Re:Still not HD? by macshit · · Score: 1

    It also depends on what you're doing with it—sometimes anti-aliasing does the job (even if it's a little uglier), but sometimes you really do want high-resolution.

    For instance, Japanese phones with very high DPI displays (approx the same as the apple retina) take advantage of the high resolution by displaying complex Japanese characters at extremely small sizes to fit more on the screen. For instance, when displaying a dictionary completion screen, when there are potentially hundreds of completions, it's far more convenient to scan a bunch of characters on one screen (even at small sizes) than to page though a bunch of screens; lower-resolution+anti-aliasing doesn't work well in this application because many characters simply become indistinguishable blobs, and one doesn't have the context that usually allows one to recognize poorly rendered characters.

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  194. And there's an app for that too. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    What girl wouldn't get excited by an iPhone with the appropriate apps http://gizmodo.com/5295987/myvibe-thighs+on-first-iphone-vibrator-app-approved-by-apple-nsfw ?

  195. Re:Hand-customize app to meet all Mac screen sizes by yacc143 · · Score: 1

    Yeah, that works great, if you have only a tiny number of devices (one phone, one tablet, and half a dozen or so older devices "still sold" at best), but it breaks down if you have hordes of different devices. Now if you assume that you alone know what everyone wants in a phone, than you can get crazy enough to go this way.

    Btw, starting with phone size, it's personal, and it's partially biological, you know hand size => I've got persons around here that swear never again smaller than 5", and others that complain that they cannot hold a 5" device.

    Anyway, a local price compare site shows me slightly over 100 different Android 4 models (Android 4 kind of equals to reasonably new), even if divide it by three to account for different colors/different storage sizes, you end up to over 3 dozen different Androids versus one iPhone.

    Basically, Apple's setup of tiny number of devices, hand crafted displays, runs against an eco system that can deliver atypical devices, e.g. Dual-SIM support.

  196. No they did not by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Apple wants to pay the same licensing fees all other mobile companies pay - no more, no less.

    How is that not fair?

    In fact ALL they want to do is play by the same rules as everyone else and not be treated specially.

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  197. Re:Still not HD? by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

    Some people like it. It is a personal thing. Normally you would try it with contacts before committing to that arrangement with laser therapy.

  198. Re:Something shiny! by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

    Yeah, I'll be losing major sleep over these issues.

    Meanwhile I bought a spare iPad cable a few months back on Amazon for $3.

    MiniUSB is the hammer of the geekverse- except that everything isn't a nail.

  199. Missing the point by Custard+Horse · · Score: 1

    But, there are FIVE rows of apps. That's the point isn't it? It doesn't matter that there are borders when using apps does it? FIVE rows.. count 'em.

  200. Re:Hand-customize app to meet all Mac screen sizes by tgibbs · · Score: 1

    I didn't bother to mention pixel doubling because it doesn't work "just fine." Yes, it's better than trying to scale by a non-integer factor, but it still looks pretty chunky, and was only a stopgap when Retina Displays were introduced. iOS Apps that do not include RD resolution icons are no longer considered acceptable by Apple.

    And automatic scaling of non-bitmapped "object graphics" does not work "just fine," either. That's why fonts use "hinting" to optimize display on raster displays. The problem is less on very high resolution displays, so automated scaling may be acceptable on a RD display, but not at anything less than that.

    In any case, all of this is quite irrelevant to the iPhone 5, since none of the screen elements need to be scaled, as the resolution is identical to the iPhone 4. The issue is that the additional screen area means that display layout should be adjusted to make optimum use of the additional area--for example, the icon screen now shows an additional row of icons. The best way to do this is very dependent upon the nature of an app's display, so it doesn't make sense to try to do it in an general, automated way. And for almost all apps, it would a trivial job for a human to include a layout for one additional screen size--far less work (and likely a better outcome) than trying a general algorithm to "fit" that app to any conceivable screen shape.

    So letterboxing as an interim solution for the few weeks until app developers can post an updated version makes a great deal of sense.

  201. Re: it's the worst/universal solution by DocSavage64109 · · Score: 1

    "just with borders on the top and bottom." - The fact that this is at +5 PROVES COOL-AID drinking. Borders are what happens when a resolution doesn't make sense, it's the worst/universal solution for this kind of idiocy, the only alternative is stretching but that looks strange, especially where the colours need to blend.

    I can only assume from this that you are one of those guys who zooms letterbox dvds to fill the entire screen and don't care about losing information in the process? I prefer to have the black bars and view the content as originally intended.

  202. Buzz. Thank you for playing by justthinkit · · Score: 1
    1989 NeXT Computer Ad.
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    Ad text:
    "In the 90s, we'll probably see only ten real breakthroughs in computers. Here are seven of them."

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  203. Re: post-PC world you can't code on ios and the sc by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

    You think post-modernism only came along after there wasn't any modernism any more?

  204. Re:Something shiny! by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

    You'll give a shit, when you go spend $50 for your replacement proprietary connector. While everyone else is only spending $6.

    Why say something that is so easily falsified? Even from Apple the cable is $19.

    Third party, it's less than $1.
    http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=iphone+cable

  205. Fragmentation by tgibbs · · Score: 1

    Not every display is a list. Apple's solution gives you a pixel-perfect display for older apps, insuring that no apps "break" on the iPhone 5. There is no automated routine that could promise that. And if you've ever looked at Apple's development environment, you know that telling an app to include a longer list on the iPhone 5 will be literally a few minutes worth of work. The only ones where it will take any appreciable effort on the part of developers are the very ones for which an automated routine wouldn't work.

    The iPhone 4 does not introduce a new screen resolution--it's exactly the same as the iPhone 4. So a "universal" app (that runs on all iOS devices) needs to accommodate 4 resolutions (same as before) and 3 screen layouts (one more than before). Wow, what terrible fragmentation!

  206. Re:Something shiny! by hahn · · Score: 1

    It looks ok, but it's nothing special. Apple will keep their loyal followers, but don't expect the market share to grow.

    1) iPhone 4 users 2) China 3) Brazil I FULLY expect the market share to grow. Furthermore: 1) iPad mini 2) iTV I fully expect the earnings to continue to grow.

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  207. Re:Something shiny! by SternisheFan · · Score: 1

    How about just paying more attention to the battery, and charging it when it needs it?

    Not good enough. I have an android phone, bought 2 extra batteries on Amazon for 15bucks, delivered. So now I don't have to sweat running out of battery if I'm not able to get to a plug. You ever see people freak out when their phone dies on them again before the end of the day. Nope, not me. If it doesn't have a removable battery, I ain't buying it.

  208. Some nice upgrades... by erp_consultant · · Score: 1

    For me one of the big upgrades with this phone is the Maps application. Getting turn by turn directions is one of the main reasons that I switched to an Android phone. Google maps is fantastic for that and I wasn't about to pay Apple or AT&T a fee every month for something that comes free with the Android phone. Now that the new iPhone comes with this feature all that remains to be seen is how well it works. Being able to do Facetime over 4G is nice but it only works with other iPhones...well, that and I can see that eating up a lot of your monthly data stipend. Faster processor (A6) should make it a bit snappier. There appear to be some improvements with the camera optics so that might translate into better photos although, honestly, the photos I have seen from the 4S phone are really good already. Apparently the new headphones are a nice improvement over the old ones.

    Now for the bad part....
    1) You still can't add storage via MicroSD. This has been discussed on other threads here and it's still one of my pet peeves with the iPhone.
    2) You still have to use iTunes to get anything on or off the phone.
    3) It appears that the battery is still not user serviceable. That means another trip to the Genius Bar for something as simple as replacing a battery.
    4) I'm not sure I like the idea of the new connector. Ok, it's got the reversible (idiot proof) hook up but now all of your previous ones are obsolete. If you want a second cable be prepared to pay through the iNose for it. Apparently they needed the space so the connector is smaller now. I wonder if it charges any faster or is it just newer and smaller?

    I know why Apple is doing this I'm just not good with it. I like having more control of my phone. Having said all that, it looks like a nice upgrade for the iFans out there.

  209. Re:I like where this is heading. by wisdom_brewing · · Score: 1

    Until Jobs is dead, need to wait a while til they show us the body so we can confirm he isn't living in some tropical paradise with 2-Pac and Aaliyah

  210. Re: post-PC world you can't code on ios and the sc by TummyX · · Score: 1

    Yes because the Post-PC would is inhabited only by developers. Yeesh.

  211. Re: post-PC world you can't code on ios and the sc by LodCrappo · · Score: 1

    as i recall, my post-graduate studies began only after my graduation had been completed. yet I don't believe it would have been accurate for me to declare that "we now live in a post-graduate world" in my commencement speech. for apple to claim we are in a "post-pc" world is similarly ridiculous. they might call their gadgets "post-pc" gadgets, and they might even be right, but the world in general is decidedly not post PC.

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  212. Re: post-PC world you can't code on ios and the sc by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

    the world in general is decidedly not post PC.

    Not yet, but it's certainly heading that way.

  213. Re: post-PC world you can't code on ios and the sc by LodCrappo · · Score: 1

    the world in general is decidedly not post PC.

    Not yet, but it's certainly heading that way.

    I see little evidence of that. Something may replace PCs someday, but it certainly won't be any of the gadgets we have today and it probably won't be a tablet at all. Current tablets are good for very simple tasks and/or very simple users. Mostly home users that don't have need to do any business tasks. That is a space that PCs never served well in the first place. Tablets are horrible for anything more than a very lightweight business use, and this is a massive arena the PC dominates. As long as business is based on PCs, it's a PC world no matter what you play with at home.

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  214. Re: post-PC world you can't code on ios and the sc by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

    I see little evidence of that.

    How about: Apple sold more units of it's tablet than ANY PC manufacturer sold of all their PCs lines added together last quarter.

  215. Re: post-PC world you can't code on ios and the sc by LodCrappo · · Score: 1

    ...and yet ~90 million PCs are sold every quarter, compared to 25 million tablets in Apple's best quarter. Picking a single manufacture of tablets that enjoys a massive majority market share and comparing it to individual competitors in the PC market makes little sense (unless, of course, you're looking for flawed statistics that at surface level seem to support some argument).

    Despite the fact that PCs have a longer lifetime, higher cost, and a marketplace that is very much saturated (it's a wee bit harder to sell something when all of your potential customers already have one), PCs still move nearly 4x as many units every quarter.

    Sorry, not buying the hype.

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  216. Re: post-PC world you can't code on ios and the sc by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

    PCs still move nearly 4x as many units every quarter.

    Now consider that sales of Apple's tablets are a fraction of their sales of smartphones. And Apple aren't even the largest smartphone manufacturer. Smartphones vastly outsell PCs, and have done for some time.

    i.e. Non-PC general purpose computers already vastly outsell PC computers.

  217. Re: post-PC world you can't code on ios and the sc by LodCrappo · · Score: 1

    so now "post-pc" also refers to smartphones? Thats odd, since smartphones have existed for 15 years (yes, long before Apple invented them) and the term "post-pc" didn't show up until the recent tablet fad. Never heard anyone theorize that smartphones will replace the PC.

    I don't doubt that someday something will do what PCs do better than PCs do it, and at that point we will see a post-pc world. That isn't going to be tablets and its not going to be smartphones. It would take something significantly better at doing the things business does than either of those are. Right now we are in a "PC plus" world. There are other computing devices that do new things, or some things in new ways, and they are very good for that. However, the PC's role as a primary business tool used by people in almost every position of almost every company in the world is not going to change simply because we've invented some new gadgets.

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  218. Re: post-PC world you can't code on ios and the sc by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

    Now? They always were. If you didn't know that then that's your problem.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-PC_era

    I don't doubt that someday something will do what PCs do better than PCs do it, and at that point we will see a post-pc world.

    You're missing the point. It's not about replacing the PC with a single device. It's that the PC will (and in a way already has become) a minority device, vastly outweighed numbers and in time spent using them by ubiquitous computing in many other sorts of device. And whilst the term post-pc wasn't coined until recently, that concept was the topic of Donald Norman's book "The Invisible Computer" published back in 1999.