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Nokia N9: the World's Most Underrated Smartphone?

jrepin writes "Eighteen months ago, Nokia announced a smartphone unlike any other it has produced before. It was a proper smartphone, one that looked miles away from previous Nokia phones: it was sleek, modern and simple at the same time. The hardware was pretty modern, too; no underpowered processors with severely limited RAM issues to be seen here. And, it runs on an operating system that Nokia had announced dead months before the phone's announcement. This, ladies and gentlemen, is the Nokia N9."

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  1. This... is Zombo Com... by TWX · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... you can do anything at Zombo com, the only limitation is yourself...

    Welcome to Zombo Com!

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  2. Damn Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They've ruined Nokia. I loved my N900 and was planning on buying the N9 for both my wife and I, but then they shot Meego in the head. I'm OK with Android, but really loved having full GNU/Linux/X access on my phone.

    While Ubuntu has made some mis-steps, I still am greatly looking forward to running Ubuntu Phone on my Galaxy Nexus.

    1. Re:Damn Microsoft by GameboyRMH · · Score: 3, Informative

      I think you missed the GP's point entirely, there are tons of locked-down "toy computer" phones out there, the N900 was a handheld PC that you could run anything you want on.

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    2. Re:Damn Microsoft by Jedismj · · Score: 1, Funny

      Micro$oft is EVIL... Get it right!

    3. Re:Damn Microsoft by ssam · · Score: 2

      libreoffice.

      (Or MS Office, assuming you had the source code. I guess you could probably do it through Qemu and wine if you really wanted)

    4. Re:Damn Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      On-topic in what regards? The article talks about the N9 and you about some Lumia 920. The article is talking about a full blown linux running on the mobile device, while you talk about a crippled version of a crappy OS. If you're not an advertiser, you fail at basic reading skills.

    5. Re:Damn Microsoft by Dishevel · · Score: 1

      Android + Root + BusyBox Pro + BotBrew give a really decent experience that you might like.

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    6. Re:Damn Microsoft by the_B0fh · · Score: 1

      I forgot, was the the camera where the ads used "simulated images" or something? It was so good that they dare not show it on TV?

    7. Re:Damn Microsoft by JustOK · · Score: 2

      Maybe because

      I cannot speak for other phones.

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    8. Re:Damn Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah because someone who's looking for a full GNU Linux mobile would be very interested with Windows Phone.

    9. Re:Damn Microsoft by r1348 · · Score: 1

      I assume you belong to the Anonymous Trollers...

    10. Re:Damn Microsoft by SpryGuy · · Score: 2

      I just don't see myself buying into anyone's Walled Garden much less the MS version.

      And that's fine if that's your choice. I'm talking about the hardware, and that the OS itself doesn't suck at all.

      And I have a free copy of Visual Studio for Windows Phone, and can side load any app I want to develop myself (and I do). So it's not *entirely* walled garden from my perspective.

      But my point was that nothing "ruined Nokia". It's good, solid hardware, with a decent OS, that deserves to catch on at least as much as iOS, and that 3-way competition in this space is a Good Thing(tm).

      I just think you (and others, including the original parent I originally replied to) are being a bit unfair to Nokia and WP8. If WP8 doesn't meet your needs/wants/desires, that's fine. But it's not "crap" any more than iOS or Android is. And the N9 running Meego might be awesome, but it simply doesn't have a future (I doubt Meego would have competed all that well in a full 4-way race, any more than Palm Pre did... even if HP didn't grossly mishandle it... hell WP8 is going to have a serious struggle at this point). And a Linux Phone might be popular in this forum, but I can't really imagine it being any more than a niche player in the greater consumer world.

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    11. Re:Damn Microsoft by tantrum · · Score: 1

      I forgot, was the the camera where the ads used "simulated images" or something? It was so good that they dare not show it on TV?

      If you knew anything whatsover about cameras, you'd notice that Nokia wasn't the first (or last) company to use professional cameras instead of the crappychips in cellphones for their advertising.

    12. Re:Damn Microsoft by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      In that case you can claim the iPhone is not a walled garden. 99% of the software people want to sideload is not compiled by them. Nor will I pay protection money to be able to run my own code.

      The OS still does not run skype properly because of design decisions, I call that suck.

      I think by ruined Nokia they mean it is going out of business and Elop is why.

    13. Re:Damn Microsoft by radish · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Nokia killed Nokia, Whilst they may have made products that appealed to you specifically, they were failing spectacularly in the wider smartphone market. Staying on the same path wouldn't have improved anything, they needed a major overhaul. I'm not saying that the MS deal will save them in the long term but clearly something had to change.

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    14. Re:Damn Microsoft by jonwil · · Score: 3, Informative

      I have a N900 as my daily phone and I have yet to see any phone that comes close. I can (and do) use the touchscreen with a small-tipped stylus for greater accuracy, the hardware keyboard is the best I have ever used and I love the openness and hackability.

    15. Re:Damn Microsoft by dropadrop · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nokia killed Nokia, Whilst they may have made products that appealed to you specifically, they were failing spectacularly in the wider smartphone market. Staying on the same path wouldn't have improved anything, they needed a major overhaul. I'm not saying that the MS deal will save them in the long term but clearly something had to change.

      Had problems deciding if I should mod you up or respond, but here goes... It's true they had to do something, but they actually already did now and then. The N9 for example was different and people liked it; so they did not sell it to people or make a new model out of it. They where already doing things, but they killed everything that could have saved them.

      What really killed Nokia was the belief that years of good sales where due to them being so damn good. Internal competition combined with that attitude caused them to stagnate. "This is what they want, so we'll just keep doing the same thing over and over again". It's a perfect example of how middle management can kill a company...

      So will MS phone save them? How could it? Phone manufacturing is outsourced, operating system is outsourced... The only thing left is what killed them in the first place. They might get something to work, but it will never be the same as before.

    16. Re:Damn Microsoft by blind+monkey+3 · · Score: 1

      Replying to undo my accidental moderation.

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    17. Re:Damn Microsoft by fatphil · · Score: 2

      I couldn't agree more Even though I have an N9 too, I never use it. And the reason I have a beaming smile on my face right now is because I was the maintainer of the touchscreen driver for the N900 for the year or so before it hit the market (and after that too, but there were never any after-sales issues with that driver, so that was a no-op). Thank you for reminding me to still feel good about the work I did for Nokia.

      However, after using it for 4 years, it's still far too often clunky, being too slow to respond to things, and is generally far from perfect. It's just that it was slower than other devices in the race for the bottom when it comes to usability.

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    18. Re:Damn Microsoft by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Sadly, I do see a lot of people who use that word with rather mundane products all the time. I think that with people under 30, "awesome" means what everyone else calls "slightly more than adequate". As in a lunch menu item being "awesome", the new song is "awesome", the improvements of DX11.1 over DX11 is "awesome", etc.

    19. Re:Damn Microsoft by satuon · · Score: 1

      Phone manufacturing is outsourced, operating system is outsourced...

      Apple also outsources phone manufacturing, and it's not killing them.

    20. Re:Damn Microsoft by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      Butt-weasel-troll-creature. Is that sort of like manbearbig?

    21. Re:Damn Microsoft by fche · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's an awesome summary of the situation.

    22. Re:Damn Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Quit lying, dumbass. The world doesn't end at the US border, and Korean phones were way ahead of Apple. (That's 333 PPI in 2008, in case you can't do the math yourself.)

    23. Re:Damn Microsoft by dropadrop · · Score: 1
      That's true. However Apple is designing the devices and the operating system, controlling the app ecosystem... They have an iron grip from the devices to the users, even too much so if you ask me (but I'm still locked up there).

      Nokia has always had the capacity to build great hardware. Towards the end of their reign less and less of the devices where that great though. I would go to the Nokia store to pick my phone and they would have 50 models that where pretty much the same, just different covers. Still it was fairly easy to pick, as less and less of them would feel well built, most would creak while new...

      The new phones feel well built, and finally they have understood that they don't need 50 models, but what distinguishes them from other phones? What will they have left after Microsoft fucks them over like they have done every partner till now? Android? Restart work on Maemo after pissing off all the workers in the team and then firing them (that's probably most of the workers in that field in Finland)? The awnser is that they won't have a lot left.

      Soon the only people left are the ones who spent ages fighting each other and designing piles of phones just line the previous ones, and who still think Nokia was so big for so long because they made so good products (not because others made even worse ones) and that it's falling because they stopped Symbian, not because Android and IOS have really nice usability, good phones and good API's for developers...

    24. Re:Damn Microsoft by the_B0fh · · Score: 1

      Funny how Apple *ONLY* uses iPhone cameras when they are showing off the iPhone camera. Truth in advertising, what a strange concept.

    25. Re:Damn Microsoft by Skal+Tura · · Score: 2

      Nokia N900 was AMAZING - Sure it had it's issues to be used as a phone, it simply wasn't polished properly - but that was a real proper geek style smartphone, complete with QWERTY.

      I loved it's debian based. The only phone i've REALLY wanted in the last decade or so until the N950 which turned out to be justa developer phone.
      Then they dropped the production despite demand being high :(
      Auction prices for used N900s were same as new phones when they were last available for sometime.

      N950 if sold to public i'm sure would have sold A LOT.
      These few models are the only ones i've seen from Nokia in a really long time which combines their HW excellency with some software excellence.

      I would buy either N900 or N950 still new to date if they were available - not interested in used phones of this kind, can't be arsed to go through finding out how to reset the system to completely original from factory to avoid 'extras'.
      I was waiting and hoping for N950 to hit the shelves like the rising moon! I was hugely disappointed when it came clear it's developers only. I would even accepted drawbacks like short battery life, no camera what-so-ever, no bluetooth and even major ones like way too slow CPU, too little RAM, no MicroSD slot!

      I even considered getting N9 despite lack of qwerty phone but the demand for Qwerty outweighed, i might need to SSH into servers on the road, and doing even basic maintenance on touchscreen keyboard ... no thanks, so i got E7. Since E7 nokia hasn't released any phone worth even considering for my use.

      I don't want an Android or IOS phone due to obvious privacy concerns, usability concerns etc. I want Nokia Hardware + Meego! and i'd pay extra for that.

      To me, other manufacturers are not even proper choice, Nokia is a phone manufacturer first, everything else then, unlike the other companies. This means Nokia pays attention to things which don't come up anywhere in the development cycle with the likes of Samsung, Apple, HTC etc.

      Sure, Nokia hardware ain't perfect neither, but they are *phones* from start to finish, and this shows up in things like durability (mechanical) and battery life which are most obvious, and many many little details.
      For example, my E7 i've dropped to concrete floor, on asphalt on multiple occasions, but absolutely no damage, the most wear on that phone is on the plastic end parts from being in my pocket. Screen is still like from factory, and the screen is actually so sensitive that you can use thin gloves with it, which i hear other phones are not. Once on a trip i was away for 6½ days without charging my phone before getting back to home and putting it back to charger.
      Friend with whom i was on the trip had to charge his android phone every night.

      So please nokia! Bring back Meego, make a brilliant phone with Aluminium or Titanium case, nice screen, qwerty, protected durable USB connector, plenty of storage + ram, decent extra low power cpu and meego -> You will sell a lot.
      I can't be alone willing to put out extra 100-200€ for a Nokia phone like that! Even if it's "low end" hardware spec i would still happily put the extra 100-200€ !

    26. Re:Damn Microsoft by bfandreas · · Score: 1

      Red and yellow socks? That's awesome. Like a hotdog.
      It's the dog's bollocks!

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    27. Re:Damn Microsoft by dave.haku · · Score: 1

      So, according to you, one can only reply to comments in a manner that is pleasing and reassuring to the comment you're replying to.
      Also, the fact that your shitty comment is scored as '4,insightful' only confirms that /. is a community made of self-reassuring Linux-fanbois/MS-haters.

  3. Re:This... is Zombo Com... by TWX · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Interesting... Modded down when the point was to satirize the very writeup itself with the reference to the website that satirized the claims and promotions of the dotcom era...

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  4. Why I didn't care, by paladinsama · · Score: 5, Interesting

    21 Months ago Nokia announced that my digital purchases were no longer available for me to use. This is why I never cared for the N9.

    1. Re:Why I didn't care, by davydagger · · Score: 1

      well, thank stephen elop, and his buddies back at the mothercop(microsoft)

      otherwise meego would be running on more nokia devices instead of windows, and you'd still have support.

    2. Re:Why I didn't care, by paladinsama · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure if I can blame Elop about this.
      Nokia announced that they were closing the NGAGE market and replacing it with the OVI market in October 2009, it was mentioned there was going to be a migration process and that by October 2010 the NGAGE website was going to be closed and purchases transferred to the new system. Elop started as the CEO for Nokia in September 2010 and by that date Nokia had enough time to prepare a migration process. The fact that they never worked out a transfer process and all purchases were lost on March 2011 when the authentication server was shut down seems to be a decision made before Elop took charge.
      The thing is that I lost the games I bought on 2008 and 2009 for my Nokia N95 and I stopped buying anything from Nokia since that date.

    3. Re:Why I didn't care, by paladinsama · · Score: 1

      I knew it was imaginary property just like my Steam purchases, or any other digital purchases I have made. But that doesn't mean I will have to deny myself the option to get it if I like it. And then be angry with a company and never deal with them again if they stop supporting something before a time I could think to be reasonable.

  5. It really is a pity it was killed by CptPicard · · Score: 5, Informative

    I own one, and it really is very nice. It's too bad Stephen Elop intentionally refused to have it sold in most major markets; I guess he wanted his precious WinPhones in people's pockets instead.

    Where-ever it was sold however, I hear it did very well among enthusiasts such as myself. The UI has been marveled about by non-geeks when they've got to play with mine.

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    1. Re:It really is a pity it was killed by Dynamoo · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's quite often available on eBay for around €270 to €370 depending on model. However, if the N9 is a bit too mainstream for you, then there's the very rare Nokia N950, which is the developer's version with a slide-out QWERTY keyboard. The cheapest I've seen one of those is €750, with prices going up to over €2000 (!) which isn't bad for a device that was mostly given away for free to select developers.

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    2. Re:It really is a pity it was killed by CptPicard · · Score: 2

      As a Finnish guy who has been following Nokia since the 90s, yes I do have a pretty good idea.

      The important part with enthusiasts is that the enthusiasts are early adopters and often developers. And I'd say that they can recognize a slick UI when they see one, and so can the rest of the population.

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    3. Re:It really is a pity it was killed by ThePhilips · · Score: 3, Insightful

      do you have any idea what a marketing or sales Exec VP hears when he or she hears this ??

      it translates to drop this dog as fast as possible

      Don't be an idiot. N9 is popular with enthusiasts because it is Linux based and well spec'ed. I was eyeing it too.

      It never became "recommended" to normal users for the simple reason that Nokia announced drop of MeeGo OS about the same time as the N9 was released.

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    4. Re:It really is a pity it was killed by Tridus · · Score: 2

      Because selling Windows Phones is working out for them real well, right?

      The enthusiast crowd itself isn't enough to sell anything, but when you have a product with mainstream AND enthusiast appeal, you're in good shape. Enthusiasts tend to talk to mainstream users, and having people "in the know" tell their less savvy friends that this phone is good helps it out, particularly if it's something that actually does appeal to them already.

      The inverse is also true: having enthusiasts tell people that something sucks does not help it. Vista's reputation became toxic in the mainstream market because enthusiasts hated it and word spread outside that group. Windows 8 is facing similar problems now, and that poor reputation is carrying over to Windows Phone & Surface in a negative halo effect.

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    5. Re:It really is a pity it was killed by davydagger · · Score: 2

      the n950s were LEANT to devs, and not given.

      They are illegal to sell, and ultra rare, with mabey around 400 of them existing in the wild.

    6. Re:It really is a pity it was killed by davydagger · · Score: 1

      its still selling better than their windows phones.

      going to an all windows shop was the biggest mistake nokia ever did. It might end the company.

      Stephen Elop needs to never work as a corporate officer ever again.

    7. Re:It really is a pity it was killed by jbolden · · Score: 2

      Stephen Elop needed his company to focus on the product line. He wasn't interested in selling a few million extra phones that would divert the transition. Once they decided MeeGo was a dead end, he had to face tremendous resistance from both employees and customers who didn't think it was a dead end. Look at the lead article.

      I love the N9. N9 was really cool. MeeGo was cool. I wish Jolla nothing but the best with Sailfish. All that being said, Elop did the right thing for Nokia.

    8. Re:It really is a pity it was killed by ninkonpoop · · Score: 1

      Purchased N9 due to excellent reviews despite Nokia's announcement of (Elop) killing Meego. It is easily one of the best phones Nokia has produced and after 7 years of loyal support, it will likely be my last Nokia purchase. While it's not a perfect phone, its marriage of software and hardware was exceptionally well executed. I could only dream what this phone could be like after multiple generations (ala iphone). It is sad that development of this phone and OS has evaporated along with its brilliant team and despite an enthusiastic user community, it doesn't seem enough to rekindle serious development. Everybody has packed their bags and moved on. I have already accepted that there will be no more firmware updates nor continued app development. It's hard to say as a loyal Nokia fan but I fear their best days are over as the Nokia/Windows debacle gives little hope.

    9. Re:It really is a pity it was killed by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 2

      Elop did the right thing for Microsoft.

      For Nokia, not so much. If they were ready to acknowledge that they couldn't go on with their own separate phone OS any more, they should have bitten the bullet, embraced Android, and done what Nokia do best - good hardware with good antennae.

      Instead they were sold the pipe dream of remaining special and recapturing the market, which they were all too eager to buy into. A shame it was a tar baby. Microsoft will pick over the corpse of their corporation for the juicy bits in a few years.

    10. Re:It really is a pity it was killed by ladoga · · Score: 1

      I agree with most of above except your claim about lack of app development. While it's true for commercial apps, - not much incentive to develop there and never was due to Elop's decision to kill the platform before N9 was even released - influx of ported and new open source apps seems quite strong.

      I'm just playing with a new Stellarium port http://thelarge.org/stellarium-n9/ (which is awesome) and few days ago I installed a new version of Rawcam http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85512 . Many apps that I use frequently - Meecast, Meegopas, Mapsi and CuteTube to name some - have been updated regularly.

      The thing I really like about N9 is that I can use same CLI tools that I use on my desktop. If some CLI tool is missing it's not hard to fire up scratchbox, wget the sources and compile it for Harmattan. Not to mention ability to ssh into it and use like any other linux device on my network.

      Real multitasking with background sockets is nice too. I can fire up terminal on N9, ssh to my server, attach to screen session of irssi and have it there for basically forever and switch to the terminal app whenever I feel like reading discussions. WP8 would just close the connection when I switch ssh client to the background. I don't know how Android handles multitasking, probably better.

    11. Re:It really is a pity it was killed by jbolden · · Score: 1

      I don't see any evidence that the Windows OS has been harmful to Lumia. Were that the case, that the OS were subtractive there would be a good aftermarket in loading Android on Lumia and reselling them, which doesn't exist.

    12. Re:It really is a pity it was killed by MrHanky · · Score: 1

      It's not well specced at all, though. It's got a pentile screen and a slow (even at the time of release) CPU, and the 3G speed is quite slow as well. Oh, and wifi and bluetooth share the same antenna and can't be used at the same time. The 1 GB of RAM is nice, and the polarising glass that makes the screen readable in sunlight is fantastically nice, but available on other Nokias as well, even their Windows phones.

      It does look pretty, though, and the UI is something of a novelty (but not much better than the competition). It's not the most underrated smartphone in the world, as plenty of people who have never used one think it's awesome, but promising enough. RIM, Ubuntu and Jolla all use QML and Qt in their upcoming operating systems, so it will have offspring of sorts. Too bad that Nokia decided they would be better off as an OEM.

    13. Re:It really is a pity it was killed by cheesybagel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Android has better licensing costs and allows more customization than Windows Phone. It has more apps. What reason was there to pick Windows Phone anyway? Besides Elop having come from Microsoft that is.

    14. Re:It really is a pity it was killed by cheesybagel · · Score: 2

      I don't think the licensing costs are as low as you claim they are. I have heard from several sources that due to the way the licensing was structured Nokia is paying a lot more per unit than the other Windows Phone vendors. I have also heard that they have paid back in royalties to Microsoft any cash that Microsoft has provided to them. Which is not particularly hard to believe since that article claims they are paying $250 million per quarter on licensing costs alone.

    15. Re:It really is a pity it was killed by jbolden · · Score: 1

      Assuming that article is true, it is a flat rate of $250m. And no they aren't close to paying back the funding from Microsoft. That went out the door in restructuring costs.

    16. Re:It really is a pity it was killed by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      Yes it's a flat rate where Nokia isn't selling cellphones anywhere near the amount they thought they would so the result is $60 paid per phone i.e. more than what the other Windows Phone manufacturers pay. I honestly cannot understand how you think this was a good deal for Nokia. It wasn't and anyone with half a brain could have seen it at the time.

    17. Re:It really is a pity it was killed by jbolden · · Score: 1

      Just stop assuming Elop is lying, the board is full of fools and the other executives are to scared to say the truth. Just assume everyone is telling the true story.

      The anti-Elop crowd are the people who have to postulate a weird conspiracy. My position is rather natural. Smart people handling a terrible hand, as best they knew how. Mistakes yes, but horrible stupidity and criminal conspiracies, no.

    18. Re:It really is a pity it was killed by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you should just stop being fatalistic. This was entirely self-inflicted.

    19. Re:It really is a pity it was killed by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      Nokia have demonstrated their real area of expertise is hardware, not software

      This is a typical mistake. SGI also thought their area of expertise was hardware then they switched from IRIX to Windows NT and the market dropped out from under their feet. The fact is the software is an integral part of Nokia's platforms as much as the hardware is. Android would have enabled full source access to the entire operating system and control over their own destiny. Nokia proved itself able to maintain a full operating system (Symbian) for a decade not to mention they developed MeeGo to fruition so they could certainly have handled the limited work necessary to customize Android to their requirements.

      If I was in control of Nokia I would have tried to move away from Symbian to Linux earlier. Even if I was put in control by the time Elop got on board I would have just kept developing MeeGo. If the choice ever came between Android and Windows Phone the choice was trivially simple. Android all the way.

      Did you notice Ubuntu is trying to commercialize a smartphone operating system? I doubt they have a fraction of the resources Nokia had at their disposition.

    20. Re:It really is a pity it was killed by jbolden · · Score: 1

      The graph isn't right. The sharp falloff in sales starts happening 2 quarters earlier before the burning platform menu.

    21. Re:It really is a pity it was killed by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      Two quarters before the burning platform memo was when Elop got on board. Units and share are not the same thing. The market is still growing now.

    22. Re:It really is a pity it was killed by cheesybagel · · Score: 1
      I quote Nokia's quarterly reports:

      Q1 2009 converged mobile device units: 13.7 million
      Q2 2009 converged mobile device units: 16.9 million
      Q3 2009 converged mobile device units: 16.4 million
      Q4 2009 converged mobile device units: 20.8 million
      Q1 2010 converged mobile device units: 21.5 million
      Q2 2010 converged mobile device units: 24.0 million
      Q3 2010 converged mobile device units: 26.5 million
      Q4 2010 converged mobile device units: 28.3 million

      If we do this by semesters like the chart:
      H1 2009: 30.6 million H2 2009: 37.2 million H1 2010: 45.5 million H2 2010: 54.8 million

      The chart seems perfectly accurate to me.

    23. Re:It really is a pity it was killed by jbolden · · Score: 1

      The market is growing very fast at that point. Tomi is claiming there was a loss of marketshare as a result of Elop not just a decline in sales. But that is not where marketshare starts to decline.

      Q2 2010 | 39%
      Q3 2010 | 33% | -6 | -15%
      Q4 2010 | 28% | -5 | -15%
      Q1 2011 | 24% | -4 | -16%
      Q2 2011 | 16% | -8 | -33%
      Q3 2011 | 14% | -2 | -13%
      Q4 2011 | 13% | -1 | -7%
      Q1 2012 | 8% | -5 | -38%

      Now even if you mean sales you are cutting it to early. Feb 11, 2011 Elop's memo hits. By Feb 11, 2011 all 1Q2011 phones are ordered. Whatever effect that memo has it would have happened at the earliest in the 2Q2011 report. But more importantly you also see a similar drop in RIM and Motorola at the same time.

    24. Re:It really is a pity it was killed by jbolden · · Score: 1
  6. Was TFA hosted on an N9? by plover · · Score: 4, Funny

    Because if so, it is the world's most overrated server.

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    1. Re:Was TFA hosted on an N9? by Dynamoo · · Score: 3, Funny

      Wow, I haven't seen the Slashdot effect in action for ages.

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    2. Re:Was TFA hosted on an N9? by jones_supa · · Score: 1

      "Coral cache anyone?"

  7. Re:Fuck Nokia and Fuck Phones by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Who cares about this obvious fucking advertisement?

    Fuck dice.com and their dumb corporate partners.

    If it's an advertisement, it's timed rather poorly. Unless it's supposed to gin up sales on used phones.

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  8. Surprisingly Competitive by Cassini2 · · Score: 5, Informative

    According to communities dominate brands by Tomi Ahohen, the poor N9 and the outdated Symbian are expected to outsell the great savior, the Lumia Windows Phone 8 at Nokia this quarter. Not too shabby.

    I would keep the N9 on my resume.

    1. Re:Surprisingly Competitive by saihung · · Score: 2

      And speaking as someone who uses a Symbian Belle device every day, Nokia *finally* got it right. Immediately after they killed the thing and drove all possible developer interest into the dirt, the schmucks.

  9. Re:Fuck Nokia and Fuck Phones by oodaloop · · Score: 4, Informative

    An advertisement for a phone you can't buy anymore? Are you taking your meds?

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  10. Not underrated at all by Tridus · · Score: 4, Informative

    The N9 has actually been rated pretty highly by people that managed to get one, and it's done really well in the market for a phone that got absolutely no corporate support at all from Nokia. Elop sent it out to die, and it didn't.... which has only made the Lumia's sales performance look bad in comparison. (Not that the Lumia's sales performance needed any help to look bad.)

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    1. Re:Not underrated at all by julf · · Score: 1

      Agree - love mine, and they sold really well for the short time they were available. Yes, it has bugs - but mainly because they fired the development team before they had a chance to fix the bugs.

    2. Re:Not underrated at all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      As a former n900 owner and a current n9 owner, I still kinda like the previous interface better. And I really miss my physical keyboard. Such a shame the N950 had such a small release. But yes, I've been happy with both, and that's all I've ever heard from owners.

  11. As a US N9 User... by scorp1us · · Score: 5, Informative

    I love the phone. It has some rough edges in the UI, but overall emotion = love. I have not felt that way since I got the Apple iPhone 2g. For the record I've used Android 2.3.5, 4.0 and iOS up to 4 as well.

    What it does that your phone does not:
    When not in a pocket or face-down it always shows the time. Always. This does not drain the battery at all.
    Around the time are basic notifications - VM, facebook message, facebook notification, missed call. and there's a app for battery percentage.
    My battery will last two whole days. And it completely charges in ~2 hours. Topping it off in a 1/2 ride to work in the car will keep the battery from going below 50% every day.

    The swipe interface is good. You get 3 columns so swipe from the edge left/right between. Notification Feed (Facebook Twitter, RSS, etc) with weather at the top, a scrolling app icon list, and your running apps screen which shows 4 or 9 apps, which live-updates the screen. Swiping down from the top edge kills the app.
    The top bar (battery indicator, WiFi, connctivity) etc is tap-able and you can change the state of what is on it. 2 taps to change your ring profile. (Android and iPhone are jarring because you have to pop to home and you have no idea if your app will be left running or killed)

    All messaging services use the same messaging UI.

    The phone never resets (my android did it a lot and iPhone did it occasionally)

    What I don't like about it:
    Some of the UI is layout less than optimally. For example in the dialer, if I bring up the number pad in-call I can't change speaker/mute without dismissing the number pad.
    When reading items from my feeds list (in the application - like facebook) sometimes I get reset to the top of the list.
    Lack of awesome apps. For the most part all your major services are supported by the phone and/or are free plugin download.I don't use many apps because the phone already does so much.
    When calling voice mail, it shows you your voicemail number that you have to click on, rather than dialing it immediately.

    What I wish:
    I do wish for a dual core. it only does 720p video, and barely at that. Once in a while I'll get a force-close message but the app recovers by the time you get your finger over the button.
    A better dialer UI. It's not a bad UI. It's just not "optimal".

    I really like this phone and I look forward to trying Ubuntu's phone when this one dies.

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    1. Re:As a US N9 User... by MrHanky · · Score: 2

      The N9 uses a clever low power mode on the AMOLED for the standby clock, which adds about 1 mA to the power drain. It's negligible. iOS could do the same, true, but no current iOS device, as they all use LCDs.

  12. Forgot to add by scorp1us · · Score: 2, Funny

    Unlike an iOS5 user, I have working maps. With traffic.

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    1. Re:Forgot to add by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      Are nokia maps still updated for n9?

      I know they're still updated for my symbian phone and I've been eyeballing a used N9 as my next phone when this one eventually dies.

    2. Re:Forgot to add by dugancent · · Score: 1

      I've had maps with traffic since iOS 3. There are dozens of apps on the AppStore.

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    3. Re:Forgot to add by Ugot2BkidNme · · Score: 1

      From what I understand. It uses the same maps API that is used for WP8. So unless they change the API and break compatability it should stay updated.

    4. Re:Forgot to add by lukpac · · Score: 1

      Unlike an iOS5 user, I have working maps. With traffic.

      Do you mean *like* an iOS5 user?

      Google Maps for iPhone Returns Better Than Ever

    5. Re:Forgot to add by ericloewe · · Score: 1

      Yup. The app itself isn't as powerful though. Basic navigation (pedestrian, car and mass transit), maps, and city lens are available.

  13. Nokia is the new, old Apple by BravoZuluM · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Years ago, Steve Jobs was ousted by Apple's Board of Directors. He was replaced by, John Sculley, a proper CEO. Sculley had convinced Apple that he would sell a computer like a bottle of soda. He, of course, was wrong as were the following CEOs. It was only when Apple was selling at $12 a share and Apple was dead did the board bring back Jobs, his vision for the long term and the Next OS. The rest is history.

    Nokia is repeating the mistakes of Apple. The Nokia board bought into the Elop burning platform. Never mind that Nokia was on the verge of a great break through in their adoption of a Linux based OS with a world class framework, Qt, to back it. Elop doesn't have the vision or the technical prowess to pull Nokia back from destruction. He is the captain of the Valdez. His oil rig is still burning and spewing oil. Maybe, just maybe, when Nokia is all but dead and irrelevant, a technically savvy CEO with a vision will come in and turn around Nokia. Until then, the N8 was my last Nokia phone.

    Meego is an excellent OS platform. Had Nokia proceeded to stay the course, the N10 would have been a must have product.

    1. Re:Nokia is the new, old Apple by jbolden · · Score: 1

      Sculley had convinced Apple that he would sell a computer like a bottle of soda.

      No he didn't. Scully had convinced Apple that the right path was high margin gradual shrinkage to a niche product line. He was focused on the Newton and the PowerPC project as the direction forward.

      Never mind that Nokia was on the verge of a great break through in their adoption of a Linux based OS with a world class framework, Qt, to back it

      No they weren't. If they were they board wouldn't have changed horses that radically. What Nokia was on the verge of was a series of interlocking conflicting plans which were unachievable with no solid product pipeline to create the revenue to fix the mess. Why is it so hard to believe that the board was right given that every insider has defended Elop's assessment?

    2. Re:Nokia is the new, old Apple by Grand+Facade · · Score: 2

      Maybe they were paid to squash it?

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    3. Re:Nokia is the new, old Apple by jbolden · · Score: 1

      "They were Dead wrong" is begging the question.

      i don't know what you mean by "missing". DEC was well aware PCs were eating their lunch. They had a PC division:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_100
      and later: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlphaStation

    4. Re:Nokia is the new, old Apple by cheesybagel · · Score: 1
      What Nokia was on the verge of was a series of interlocking conflicting plans which were unachievable with no solid product pipeline to create the revenue to fix the mess.

      1. Sell N9.
      2. Profit.
      3. Make cheaper versions of the N9 and migrate those to the low end market.
      4. Profit.
      5. Keep improving MeeGo or whatever its name is today.
      6. Release new top end phone.
      7. Go back to step 1.

      Yeah really difficult.

    5. Re:Nokia is the new, old Apple by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      DEC is more complicated to solve. They missed the dot com boom despite having perfectly fine hardware. They did not market Alpha servers as well as Sun advertised SPARC. They did not manage to keep their CPU manufacturing plant to full utilization unlike IBM who manufactures chips for other companies. Their PC server division could also be considered non existent. Their desktops were constantly more expensive and more obsolete than the competition. That is basically it.

    6. Re:Nokia is the new, old Apple by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      Expensive, poor software catalog, poorly marketed. Next!

    7. Re:Nokia is the new, old Apple by jbolden · · Score: 1

      Yes really difficult. They can't sell enough N9 to pay for their fixed expenses they don't profit they bleed. They can't get the N9 in quantity. They don't have a follow up strategy. There are only 4 MeeGo phones through 2014 and they get buried under fixed costs.

      Instead they commit to Microsoft get subsidies that cover the restructuring costs and they get another bite at the apple. The people who run Nokia are not stupid. If your analysis involves them being too stupid to do the obvious perhaps you need to read a bit more of what they are saying and less Tomi Ahonen.

    8. Re:Nokia is the new, old Apple by cheesybagel · · Score: 1
      The history of the IT industry is littered with the desiccated bones and rotting corpses of companies that trusted and partnered with Microsoft.

      Yes and the funny thing is people keep falling for it again and again. This Nokia business is just one more example of it. Heck even the Simpsons made fun of it once.

    9. Re:Nokia is the new, old Apple by SpzToid · · Score: 1

      [Elop] is the captain of the [Exxon] Valdez.

      No. Elop is more like the captain of the Costa Concordia, as in, 'hey let's take this ship off-roadin' onto those rocks over there, just so the folks on the island can get a really good view.

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  14. Just one missing thing by gmuslera · · Score: 2

    Physical Keyboard. The screen is superb, the swipe interface is the foundation of so many new mobile user interfaces, and have good memory/cpu/base OS. But the keyboard... thats what i miss from the N900, the one it have is not bad for being a touchscreen one, and you have a pretty translucent one for console in Fingerterm, but still not there. Too bad the N950 was just for (few) devels.

    Anyway, could have a future, Nitdroid enables to dual boot with Android (or run natively a few android games with Apkenv), and probably will be available for it Firefox OS, Sailfish and Ubuntu mobile.

  15. Re:Fuck Nokia and Fuck Phones by Nerdfest · · Score: 1

    I wish it was an advertisement ... I'd buy one. They way it's looking right now, I'll probably buy a Nexus 4 if I can manage to get my hands on one. If Ubuntu gets a decent Linux phone out soon enough without screwing it up I might buy one of those.

  16. I have an N9 by kurt555gs · · Score: 2

    It;s wonderful. The interface is the best that has ever been made. Sad to see innovation die with Nokia.

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  17. N9 vs. iPhone by TimHunter · · Score: 4, Funny

    The N9 would smash an iPhone the way the Hulk smashed Loki. Pick it up by its leg and fling into the floor, left, right, left, right, leaving iPhone-sized dents in the floor, then grunt "Puny phone" and lumber away.

    Of course the iPhone, being a god, would get up, shake itself off, and go on about its business plaguing the earth.

    1. Re:N9 vs. iPhone by ericloewe · · Score: 1

      It could probably be used as a hammer to break an iPhone. A Gorilla Glass vs. whatever it is that Apple uses match would be interesting...

    2. Re:N9 vs. iPhone by RedWizzard · · Score: 1

      It could probably be used as a hammer to break an iPhone. A Gorilla Glass vs. whatever it is that Apple uses match would be interesting...

      That would be Gorilla Glass vs. Gorilla Glass. Which was resurrected and promoted by Corning because Steve Jobs asked them to.

  18. N770, N810 Lines by gral · · Score: 2

    I had the N770 and the N810. They could have used them as a base for great phones. I believe the N9 was a start in that direction. All they needed was to CONTINUE. Not scrap everything they had done, and go with MS. Luckily Google came in and showed them what could have been done.

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  19. I wonder... by andreyv · · Score: 1

    5+ years ago it was common for a phone's battery to last a week or more. I wonder, when did it become acceptable to have a device that you need to charge every (other) day?

    1. Re:I wonder... by jimbo · · Score: 1

      Since we started asking more from the phone. Manufacturers work hard to give us long lasting batteries but we also want big screens, fast processors, GPS, more memory, LTE and the kids want seven dancing writhing home screens.

      Anyway, I don't have a problem plugging in the charger at bedtime...

  20. N9 = Amiga + 20 yrs. by The+Conductor · · Score: 2

    The existence of things like the Nitdroid project and Jolla/Sailfish, plus the fact that N9 matched or possibly outsold the Lumia crud despite the massive disparity in corporate support, shows how good the technology was. The last time I saw this was...ooh it hurts to type this name...the Amiga. Commodore went under, not due to poor demand for the Amiga, which was profitable to the very end, but due to massive losses in PC clones that led them to credit default with their suppliers. They couldn't get parts to build Amigas anymore.

    I hope that the prevalence of open source these days gives the keepers of the Meego flame more success then the Amigans had.

  21. It's not underrated and here's why. by DragonTHC · · Score: 1

    Nokia is stupid.

    We are beyond Symbian. When the world left Symbian behind, Nokia just didn't get it. And they were left behind.

    They then tried their own day late, dollar short version of Linux. Enormous mistake. The world left them behind. That and the $800 n-series phones. What a mistake.

    Now, it's either android or ios. Nothing else is relevant. And before you say, windows phone, the dude who uses that still wears camouflage cargo shorts. Irrelevant.

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    1. Re:It's not underrated and here's why. by jimbo · · Score: 1

      It's not entirely about operating systems, it's about user interfaces and internal competition.

      When Apple effectually revolutionized the smartphone industry, Nokia and Microsoft said it'd never succeed and they ignored it for the longest time.

      Google, who had Android based on by then suddenly antiquated phone UI concepts (Blackberry like) thought "that's the future" and revamped the UI in less than a year. As a developer I remember anticipating 1.6 with software keyboard to put on the e reader I was making.

      So we now have Apple and Google and their neck by neck competition and the '07/'08 industry reboot on phones they caused to thank for all the goodies we play with today.

      MS eventually woke up and designed something nice looking and functional, as you say; I hear the guy using it is happy and recommend it.

      Symbian, a great phone OS, never got a nice UI for touch screens. It finally got an ugly UI, too bad.
      Maemo/Meego coexisted with Symbian for years as a potential replacement and internal competitor (Meego vs. S40 vs. S60/Symbian) but never quite made it.

      Nokias problem was partly the internal OS competition and partly that they let engineers design UIs and apps without design guidelines instead of using people with an actual clue of UI design, usability and aesthetics.

    2. Re:It's not underrated and here's why. by ericloewe · · Score: 1

      That and the $800 n-series phones.

      So now we have 800€ Samsung flagships, 1000€+ iPhones...

  22. Not underrated, just not sold by Frekja · · Score: 1

    I've got an n9 and it's hands down the best phone I've ever owned. The swipe interface is awesome, and the hardware is beautiful - it won the Red Dot award after all. My only gripe is that it doesn't automatically disconnect an idle 3g connection, but the clever people at http://talk.maemo.org/ have got a decent enough workaround with profilematic. I only wish I'd be able to buy a new version in 9 months' time. I'll probably buy a Jolla / Ubuntu phone if the hardware is good enough. Given how much of a failure WP8 has been, I still think it's not too late for Nokia to change course. Bring on Meltemi.

  23. my N9 rules! by therealkevinkretz · · Score: 1

    I bought my N9 before the Nokia-Microsoft deal and have been happy with it, though disappointed that it was a product dead-end. I had an N900 before that and was happy with that too.

  24. Nokia selling up? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1
    1. Re:Nokia selling up? by ericloewe · · Score: 1

      Not happening. Especially not to Huawei. Why would they need Nokia's assets?

    2. Re:Nokia selling up? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      Consider Sony buying Ericsson's mobile business (so to speak). The name had vaue.

  25. Re:This... is Zombo Com... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Typical. Passive aggressive follow up comment to your own post.

    Just accept the moderation and move on with your life next time. You don't deserve rounds of kudos from strangers simply for posting. You need to earn it and your comment obviously didn't.

    Personally, I have no idea what the connection is. It's possible that you're a comedy genius. It seems to me that you just made some outdated random pop culture remark and expect to get votes from people who were not in a coma in the 90's. You might as well have said "I'm Rick James, bitch".

  26. Re:Nokia abandon Meego because operators didn't wa by SpzToid · · Score: 1

    Carriers didn't want Nokia Meego phones mainly because of [currently Microsoft] Skype. Had Nokia reconsidered their embracement and evangelism for Skype this might have been a deciding factor with the carriers you suggest as the problem.

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