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Microsoft Reputation Manager's Guide To Xbox One
symbolset writes "In the wake of a disastrous E3 product reveal Microsoft has purportedly distributed a confidential internal 100-point 'FAQ' for the Xbox One that reads like it's from the Ministry of Truth. It was of course immediately leaked on pastebin. Kotaku has the story and an amusing online poll. In the discussion below make sure to line up the FAQ entries with the AC comments for extra 'Informative' moderation."
This just in: The XBone One has managed to achieve what the Dreamcast couldn't... blowing up prior to launch. The Dreamcast at least fired the engines before exploding in a firey storm of shit. Which, given that their customers seem to be EA games and other publishers, and not, you know, people who are going to buy the console... seems about right.
There are Kickstarter consoles still on the drawing board, I mean, not even prototypes available yet, that have more pre-orders than the XBone. I don't think they could fail harder. Unless (dramatic pause) ... they bring Square Enix to headline this collossal cluster f*ck.
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For some of us, you've already lost the sale. Always on internet is a killer for many of us, since it's mostly taking away our freedom.
Fuck Xbox One.
Netcraft confirms it, the XBone will definitely add 3-4" to your penis after only one use!
Remember the rage around here a few years back when Sony nixed Linux on PS3. Or the whole "rootkit fiasco"? Amazing how quickly past outrage is forgotten.
Wonder if MS decided to "watermark" the list before sending it around. A typo here, maybe swap two points there, each person receives an individualized version and the leak can be tracked back to the source. In which case I feel sorry for the person who gets the axe.
Q: What exclusive first-party games are in development, and when will we see them?
A: None. Despite bending our customers over a barrel and raping them until they bled and screamed for mercy with our new DRM, we don't have a single exclusive to show for it.
Q: How many games do you plan to ship at launch?
A: We got a lot of promises, but the warehouse is presently, uhh, a bit vacant.
Q: What is the new Xbox Live?
A: For game publishers, it's the second coming of Christ, the ressurection, the moment we've been waiting for, beating ourselves off to in private fantasizing over. For game players, it's an unholy cluster fuck that makes Square Enix scorched Earth policy on every franchise you ever loved look positively humane.
Q: What new benefits does Xbox Live offer?
A: The new generation of Xbox Live gets to know you and your preferences, by watching you 24/7 through a webcam that cannot be turned off, and puts you at the center of all your games and entertainment, and then builds a giant 20 foot thick concrete wall between you and all your friends who you can't share any of it with without an extra fee. It will make sure your Xbox is always up to date and ready for you, like meeting every ex you ever had at a party, who then stalk you for the next year, posting comments on your Facebook about what a whore you were, and a cheater -- that gaming is better with smart, quick and intuitive multiplayer, unlike everything else on the market which can accomplish this basic feat without spying on you, whoring away your personal viewing habits, and knowing exactly when you're about to climax on the couch to post that new advertisement for Buxom Babes 7, backed by the new Smart Match system -- which is just like online dating, only creepier. It adds even more personalization to your TV and entertainment, because what's more entertaining and personal than sitting alone, in your basement, your friends unable to join you to play without paying an extra fee? Nothing, that's what! With the evolved Xbox Live, your games and profile are stored in the cloud, so you can access them from any Xbox One console, and we'd appreciate it a lot if you'd forget about what we've done with Sidekick, and every other Cloud platform we've absorbed like some Doctor Who alien, only with less wit and British charm.... this time will be different. We Promise(tm).
Q: I saw reports stating friends will be unlimited and reports saying the cap is 1,000. Which is correct?
A: We're excited to report it's the lower of the two, which shouldn't discourage you in any way... because we've tried very hard to match the same low standards that are already present in the industry with our next generation console!
Q: Do I have to pay to access Xbox Live?
A: No. We'll just be collecting your personal viewing habits and selling them to the lowest bidder.
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101. Since I would have to pay 500$ for it, will I be able to run my own software on the Xbox One?
I'm going to call this a Fake Faq. It doesn't read like a corporate MS document, it reads to me like the best attempt of someone who doesn't write any sort of Corporate PR at all and is about as close to Redmond as (broadly speaking) the width of the Pacific Ocean to try and mimic what they think Corporate American English PR would be written like, and they got it very wrong. Having said that, I'm sure that in the environment that I suspect this fake faq document was produced in, it's likely to be widely accepted as gospel by those who want to believe such things. In the primarily English speaking world, I think anyone with an understanding of grammar and linguistics at the level of an average 13 year old would spot that it's a fake faq straight away.
How does the achievable graphical complexity of the GPU in the Tegra 3 SOC of this "Ouya" console compare to that of the Latte GPU in Nintendo's Wii U?
Android/Linux is currently moving half a billion hardware units a year. To do over 100 times that you would have to sell more than 15 to every living human - almost half of whom live on $1/day.
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Q: Do I have to pay to access Xbox Live? A: No. We'll just be collecting your personal viewing habits and selling them to the lowest bidder.
Oh, is this XBOXONE a Google product.
And to think Microsoft has been running an ad campaign about how Google reads your Gmail to provide ads and how Google Play Store provides the name, e-mail address, and postal code of anyone who buys a priced Android application to the app's publisher. What a hippopotamus.
Q: How much cloud space do I get? What is stored in the cloud?
A: Xbox Live offers Xbox One unlimited storage space in the cloud.
Unlimited storage means unlimited cost, for fixed revenue. It looks like the recipe for disaster
Throwing money after a console doesn't mean it will be successful.
Nintendo certainly spent money on marketing for the Virtual Boy, and Sega had a big push for the Saturn and the Dreamcast, two consoles that failed to really catch on. Same with the Jaguar (although Atari certainly wasn't in the same shape that Nintendo and Sega were). Same with the 3DO.
Undoubtedly the Xbox one won't be a complete failure the way some consoles were (N-Gage, CDi, etc.) but I highly doubt that it will be the smash success the 360 is.
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You mean like WP7/8? They are burning about a billion yearly on nokia fees alone with actual marketing costs on top of that.
I'm sure knowing that is going to make the millions of ruralites feel much better about the situation knowing they're taking one for the team.
Its funny there was an uproar and hate of Sony when they removed install other OS. I Think they will do a 180 and remove the have to call back once every 24 hours because otherwise they lose all military people...that's a big market share to lose for something as stupid as have to call back. Some people are basing this on what they have read and seen from MS direct others are just on the MS hatewaggon without thinking about the reason for it. Stop and think how often do you have your system unplugged from the internet and play the game for those that do. I understand not all have the ability to do so and yes i agree its a bunch of BS but stop and think about it for a moment. most people play multi-player which requires internet and i know for a fact i never unplug my console after playing so whats the big deal? Sony is leaving the DRM to the publishers. The main difference is MS is making everyone have the same DRM where Sony will leave it to others to do the DRM.... They all want a way to control there games and reduce pirated copies and kill off the used game market.
I don't know what Microsoft calls its counterpart to Nintendo's lot check or Sony's TRC check, but it is dishonorable to announce vaporware that hasn't met whatever Microsoft calls its certification process. Even weasels have to preserve some honor. Once the games go gold, expect Microsoft and the publisher to jointly announce them.
But without the phoning home requirement, you'd get some of those millions of "ruralites" to buy an XBox One.
You are welcome on my lawn.
You can get a gaming PC for about $400 but it will be entry level, when it comes to PC's better to spend at least a little bit more and get something that will last a while.
This one is $529 and is more than a match for the new generation of consoles.
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The biggest thing about investing in the price difference on a gaming PC is that when your not playing games, you can do a LOT of other things on a PC. So the price difference is more than made up for.
All this being said, I am lucky and have enough money to do both, I tend to buy 2 consoles from each gen and keep a gaming PC around. This will be the first gen I do not buy at least 2 of the consoles at launch. I own a Wii-U and I don't plan on getting a Xbox One, I also do not trust Sony enough to pick up a PS4 at launch my PS3 was not a good experience for me... Always seems like I spend more time updating the firmware than actually playing it.
"Which $400 gaming PC that can play games with comparable graphics to forthcoming PS4 games would you recommend?"
One built yourself.
A10-5800K with 8GB RAM costs me.... $247.90 free shipping and before taxes.
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If I decided to drop the extra $150 on a better GPU than the 7660D included in the A10, then you could get a GTX560 and be set to go. Or snag dual GTX460s for the same price.
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The thing about the Linux thing is that it really only affected nerds, those who used their PS3 for gaming (which is what the majority of people bought a gaming system for) were mostly unaffected, and while undoubtedly there was some outrage at releasing an update simply to remove a feature, it didn't really affect people.
The Xbox One changes games, which affects everyone. Every cartridge and disk based console without exception has allowed you to trade in and borrow games. The only restriction has been that you can't duplicate the games themselves, from the Atari 2600 to the NES to the PlayStation, this has been the only restriction.
There is a reason why people are console gamers and not PC gamers.
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Insane amounts of money can move a bad product, but it does not ensure it will be a successful product. Just look at Zune, Microsoft threw money at that hand over fist but they still weren't able to gain a significant market share. The most they achieved with their marketing blitz was 10%, their market share plummeted after that, roughly halving every year until they gave up and mothballed the brand.
Since I don't game much any more, mainly because I have nothing to prove to 14-year-olds who would mow me down, the only aspect of Xbone that remotely appealed to me was the promise to revolutionize TV.
Luckily, TV and "sparts" were most of what they talked about! Oh joy. Just the same old TV repackaged. Wow this is totally what everyone wanted. Um.. yeah.
The thing is, I already have several TV gadgets that do most of that, or at least the parts I care about. One is a Roku box. Microsoft should get one. It was $90 at Costco and ranks up there among the best decisions I've ever made in electronics. The thing OWNS my TV on the weekends. Key points: it was under $100 and I already have it. Two of them, actually. Roku in the kitchen over wifi is like wireless cable. Now what am I missing again?
Another gadget is the new Dish Hopper with Sling. The box they tried to ban. Sure, I have to pay every month for it and it only gets "a whole lot of channels" mostly in HD, for not a lot of money. But it does a very good job at it the one thing it does. It also happily feeds ALL of that content to my phone, wherever I might happen to be. Or a PC or tablet or whatever.
Wait, RDB. What about playing pirated video files? What about porn files!? Roku doesn't do that very well! Nope. But the Hopper can play some and I also have an old WDTV Live box which can play nearly anything. It plays some things VLC won't touch. The WD box doesn't do much else but it does do file playback. A perfect companion device. It, too, was cheap.
So I am not feeling the need to drop $500 on another STB. What I have works. Nothing Microsoft demoed or talked about poses any threat at all to these devices. And even if they did, the price tag still kills it.
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current 360 owners onto a new One? Aside from sick quality levels on 360, how are they planning on forcing people to upgrade? They just stop making 360s and hope for attrition? Or are they going to torment game developers into dropping 360 development and new games will only be for One.
Anyone know what their master plan is? I am writing this based on an article that says One will not play 360 games.
No, it's not. Buy the PS4 and it's all sorted.
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Nothing about Fallout 4. Not news!~!
You don't get the point of his message: if you aren't urban, fuck off.
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Realistically, if you want to play a game with someone who lives out of range of cable and DSL, you're going to have to visit them and bring a controller to play same-screen multiplayer. The latency of satellite or microwave won't cut it.
For about $100 I can get a nice Android gaming tablet. Quad core, 1080p, all the neat games I've already bought.
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My cousin currently owns an Xbox 360 and likes to play Call of Duty series, Battlefield series, and similar first-person shooters. He has rejected the Xbox One and is trying to decide between a PlayStation 4 console and a new gaming PC this December. Which $400 gaming PC that can play games with comparable graphics to forthcoming PS4 games would you recommend?
The PS4 is yet to provide the same graphical experience as my 2009 vintage PC. Along with this, the TCO for a PC is lower. over 3 years you'll spend more on games for your console than you would on buying a decent PC and the same games.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
Is anyone going to buy the Xbox One?
No.
All the rest of the questions and answers seem pretty stupid after that since that sort of undermines them all.
XBone has a terriffic solution for this problem. It's called a "Van". Go get them and bring them to your home. Maybe then you can get them to eat and wash as well.
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Look, I love Android, but tablet games are still shit. Indeed, the only time I ever play them is while on the toilet.
If you like Steam's limits you don't need an Xbox One to get you there. You'll be fine with any old Linux box, a Steambox, or Stean in WINE (I'm not a big fan of wine). Steambox is like XBox One without the monthlies.
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No, that's not the problem. As another follow-up rightly pointed out, broadband is a prerequisite for most online gaming.
The problem is that those friends in rural are locked out from console gaming at all. Well, that's one of the problems, anyway.
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Microsoft sells some trackballs that are right-hand only. It doesn't bother them to throw away 15% of the trackball market - which may be more because creative types tend to be lefties.
Slashdot has become heavier over time, but it probably still works better on dial-up than Xbox One.
Before broadband there was a thing known as a modem which hooked up to a telephone line. I realise that you may not have heard of these existing, as they did, in that uninteresting bit of history between the late Cretaceous and yesterday. However posting on Slashdot is entirely possible through such a device. Some are still rumoured to exist out in the wilds, far beyond the sight of the last suburb, where the 3G reception icon on your phone starts to flicker.
You don't get the point of his message: if you aren't urban, fuck off.
Suburbanites and ruralites aren't numerous enough to move Microsoft's needle. So fuck off.
Does it need to be more clear? Fuck the fuck off? Go away? You're not needed here?
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Maybe you should spend less time on the toilet and check some shit out. But first, wash your hands.
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And yet more than a few of those urbanites are going to say "WTF?" on the phone home requirement and the "friend brought a game over and we can't play it". Actually, the latter will be first, followed by the "can't migrate games to a new console when the old one dies in 3 months" followed by the "what's this phone home requirement?"
Word of mouth passes fast, and the stink on this one will kill it. You'd think they'd learned something from Vista and Win8. Guess not.
The cesspool just got a check and balance.
They mothballed it because the world moved onto smartphones for playing music. WP7's music player was called zune and the interface was heavily derived from it too.
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They ran 2 (or likely 2 million) situations through some great combonator. In situation A, they don't phone home every 24 hours and more people can buy the box, but publishers get mad that they can't impose draconian DRM. In situation B, they do phone home every 24 hours and less people can buy the box, but the publishers are happier. Situation B made them more money in spite of losing them customers, so that's what they went with.
What I think they may have failed to take into account is those of us who have broadband but won't buy the box anyway because of this.
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Oh yeah. If you're urban and poor, also "fuck off". XBox One is for the discerning and successful urban professional.
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Why don't we go ahead and narrow the scope a little more: if you aren't something like Microsoft's Seattle-based Xbox development team, with a solid situation in a Fortune 500 company, and share interests with them, then Fuck off. You're too poor to understand the marvelous potentials this could bring.
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You're giving them too much credit. There's a conference room and competing teams of world-class geniuses come to show their deal they've honed all year. Every one is fucking fabulous, world-shaking shit. And the Decider whips out his dick, pisses on all of them, and randomly picks one because he doesn't have to give a fuck. Then he hands it off to marketing, who fucks it up.
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The Xbox and PS4 use the SAME CPU, the PS4 has a slightly stronger midrange GPU. Graphical performance between them will be very similar, so you appear to have some contradictions in your statements. Either they are both equivalent to entry level gaming PC's or they are both incredibly powerful architectures. The truth is actually somewhere in the middle, both sit somewhere around the midrange level gaming machines which should put them edging more towards lowend gaming machines by next year, nothing wrong with that for a console as you can push a console much harder due to dedicated fixed hardware architecture that makes it easier for developers to push more out of the hardware, but you are living in a lala land if you believe the PS4 is some amazing new architecture.
Quite aside from the other purchase stoppers, I have a projection system, and the Kinect simply doesn't work in that environment -- I know this -- we tried it. It's blinded by the projector just to start, and when you stand where it can see your outline blocking the projector, you're an annoying shadow on the display anyway. Complete non-starter. We threw our Kinect in a box and never took it out again.
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yeah.. you can run your indie code once you pay the developer fee.. same deal as current. or you can write javascript for the browser.
just buy a pc and you'll be happier.
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
People think Microsoft is a software and hardware company. Yes, it does that, but that's not Microsoft's primary purpose. Microsoft is an evil company that merely uses software and hardware to deliver evil.
Someone dumped some stuff in a pastebin, and somehow we all *know* it's an internal Microsoft guide for "Reputation Managers".
Why do we *know* this? (Hear me out - I'm not attempting to deny it. I'm making a larger point.)
Perhaps it's because of Microsoft's reputation.
What is that reputation? Contempt.
Microsoft has contempt for the people who are forced to use its products. This is why people react so strongly to Microsoft's recent innovations: it's not the change, but the contempt, that they are reacting to.
Microsoft wasn't always this way, but the attitude was certainly well entrenched by the time that it introduced its Office certification, the "MOUS".[1] The contempt came through with its introduction of the Office Ribbon, immediately after Microsoft said it'd be "too hard" for users to learn the "very different" user interface of OpenOffice. It came through with the total lack of investment in IE. It came through with the introduction of Vista. It came through with WinCE, and the Kin, and with the trashing of Windows Phone 7 users' investment: can't take your apps to 8, suckers! Most strongly, it has come through in the introduction of Windows 8.
The contempt was multi-leveled with 8. An interface designed for touch...and nearly no computers to use it on, nor any in the offing at the time of launch. That was subtle contempt. But the really big, fat, obvious, in-your-face contempt was in the look and feel of the UI. Big blocks of flat primary colors, vocabulary like "charms", dumping you suddenly back at the start page every time Microsoft thinks you're doing something too complicated: this was a UI for pre-schoolers or early primary-school kids. On tranquilizers.[2]
Why did Microsoft think that 8's UI would be acceptable to adults? Because Microsoft has complete contempt for its users. Microsoft has been dissing its users for a long time now. And with "x-bone phone home", always-on cam, etc., the dissing continues: you're a child. You can't handle privacy: you'll just do naughty things with it.
*This* is why we believe some anonymous pastebin: we know, inside, that Microsoft has contempt for its users. We've got the message.
The XBox One was conceived in a culture of contempt, and soaked in it throughout its gestation. If gamers have any self-respect, it will die still-born.
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1. Rebranded the MOS. Would you rather be a mouse, or moss? Which is more respectful?
2. This is what gets people's backs up about the '8 UI. "Can't handle change" never passed the sniff test: tens of millions could handle running away to iOS, Android, OS X... and some can even work with Chrome, according to Amazon's best-seller lists. I've yet to read their complaints about the inefficiency of those UIs.
People (even slashdotters) aren't good at introspection, though, so the unconscious reaction to Microsoft's contempt as embodied in the 8UI came out as a dislike of the mechanics of the UI, rather than as "Microsoft is insulting me! The bastards!"
The Xbone will do ok in the US. That's its home market, there's always a degree of "patriotic" buying (though not to the same extent as in Japan) and, like them or not, some of the 360's exclusive franchises still have a lot of market power. There are people who will buy an Xbone for Halo. The overlap between those people and "people who read slashdot" is probably quite small.
Will the Xbone do as well in the US as the 360 has (where the sales data shows it's the dominant console)? Probably not, at least on the basis of what we've seen so far. Sony's given the "floating voters" with no strong attachment to either camp a lot of reasons to go in the PS4 direction this time. But the Xbox series has a lot of loyal fans in the US and most of them will still be hanging on.
The danger for MS lies outside of the US. Ok, it's never managed to get the Xbox to succeed in Japan. So it's probably fair that it doesn't put too many resources into trying this time around (you'll never get away from the fact that the demographic profile of gamers looks very, very different in Japan and is much less interested in those games we consider "mainstream" in the West).
But Europe? Europe was in many ways the key swing battleground of the 360/PS3 generation and didn't really commit strongly to either camp. There's no "domestic" console, so no "patriotic buying" effect; in short, there's everything to play for. But MS seem to have decided not to play.
The TV offerings (which won't even be available in many territories to start with) aren't exactly tempting in Europe. I've had to sort out phone/tv/broadband packages in the UK, Belgium and the US in the last couple of years and can hand-on-heart say that you can get a decent TV package much more cheaply and easily in Europe these days. Sky or Virgin Media vs Comcast? It's not even close. MS is facing much tougher competition to take over from the existing TV providers.
The competition in Europe is, therefore, much more likely to be about being the better machine for games. Sony's messaging so far has been "games, games, games". I'm not really sure that Halo has more potency as a brand than Resistance, or that Gears of War is more potent than Killzone in Europe.
Then there are the emerging markets. The parts of the world that don't buy many consoles right now, but which might conceivably start to buy a lot more over the course of the next few years. These are also places where the 24-hour-dial-home restriction is likely to be a serious deterrent.
If MS doesn't do some urgent damage limitation, the Xbone runs a serious risk of ending up as a single-territory console.
I don't think you would. In principle, MS want you to have a decent internet connection because they want you to see the Xbox as more than just a games console. At the very least, they want you to take advantage of multi-player gaming but most likely they also want you to take advantage of the non-gaming aspects of the console. To be frank, I think they're pretty much saying that if you don't have a reliable internet service, they don't want you as a customer. Pretty arrogant I agree but I think that's along the right lines.
It's their right to disconnect the servers any time they want. They sell you the product without hiding that fact. If you don't want the product, you don't buy it.
Crying 'consumer rights' for a product that is sold with a publicly known 'always on' feature is like wanting to enforce your own policy on the publisher.
Guess what? it will not happen. Just don't buy those games.
If you don't want the product, you don't buy it.
I'm sure no one figured out that people have the ability to do that. Quite insightful.
Crying 'consumer rights' for a product that is sold with a publicly known 'always on' feature is like wanting to enforce your own policy on the publisher.
Well, there are European countries which protect consumer rights to a greater extent than other countries, but whether they'd do anything about this is another matter. So, complaining 'consumer rights' might not be off-base if people can get someone to take action.
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You can get a gaming PC for about $400 but it will be entry level, when it comes to PC's better to spend at least a little bit more and get something that will last a while.
While if he is building from scratch I agree but one of the major advantages of PCs is that you rarely have to do that if you are smart about it. (And one would hope that the person in question either can DIY or knows someone who can given that this is a /. post.)
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Would it not make more sense to wash one's hands *after* checking out the shit?
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Yeah! The fact that the Zune didn't sell doesn't matter, because they moved it all to a smartphone that...also...didn't...sell. Um.
I heard similar things about the PS3, but then I found it couldn't run games at 1080p without being capped at 30fps, later I found games like Resident Evil would often go down to 5fps etc. while the PC version did not.
I don't really care for more lies.
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At least in germany valve would get a beating unless they would add a patch to remove the DRM shortly before shutting down the server. First sale and stuff.
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Unless you paid for a tethering plan for your phone, they are all just as subject to your internet going out
I've read other comments implying that for those few Internet outages that aren't also power outages, geeks are more likely to buy one-day prepaid tethering plans to make up for temporary losses of Internet access.
PS4 also requires a paid monthly subscription to play multiplayer games.
I haven't read any news that console makers had planned to charge extra for offline multiplayer. Would a PS4 or Xbox One owner be charged per month just to pair more than one wireless controller to the console? Oh, I get it: the only multiplayer you know is online.
You're quite correct - the OP is sprouting BS, HOWEVER the XBones visualized OS architecture does sound like it will add additional limits and reduce the raw power available to games; while that is probably something like 5-10% when gaming sites are doing frame by frame comparisons on the current gen, I don't see the XBone as coming out ahead on this, especially when developers become familiar with both (XBone & PS4) architectures.
Which $100 quad-core 1080p android tablet is worth one tenth of one shit?
You can get Ouya for $100, or will be able to in a week or so. Launch day is in a week and a day. I am slightly excited, though not giddy in the way I was over a new console back in the day, as you might imagine. I think this is actually literally the only console I've ever preordered. I bought the Playstation (original) when it was still A Thing, but every other console I've owned has been purchased after the first price drop, or later. My first game console was a Coleco Telstar which was bought used, then I had a NES, and from there straight to the Amiga 500, also after the first price drop (to $599 with chessmaster and an RF adapter.)
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Except by the time it's time to replace a CPU, there's usually a new socket, which means a new motherboard and probably new RAM.
For intel, probably is true. For AMD, it's probably about fifty-fifty. You might well get a significant improvement in the same socket, with the same memory; I literally doubled my cores, and the cores are just as good (better!) and just as fast. And it literally cost the same as buying the original CPU, so it's functionally equivalent to buying a second CPU and dropping it in a second socket that I didn't have to pay for.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
It won't happen in the US. It might happen in the EU. Or, haven't you been paying attention? The EU apparently does not share the USA's belief that corporations are our lords and masters in all things.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Well, then I guess there's a fundamental misunderstanding over the producer/consumer relationship.
Who cares what Microsoft wants? It's not about what THEY want, it's about what the consumer wants.
And let's not BS. Microsoft doesn't "want you to have a decent internet connection" at all. They don't care about your bandwidth. You could probably use a dialup and as long as Microsoft has its hooks in you to see that you're not using your XBONE in some unapproved way they don't care.
"Microsoft wants..." I like that.
That's not what they're saying at all. If you only have an internet connection on Tuesdays and Thursdays from 4am to 5am guess what, Microsoft still wants you to buy an XBONE and they'll let you play it during those hours. C'mon, you don't really believe Microsoft cares about how reliable your internet service is, do you? When you go to the store to buy an XBONE are you going to have to prove that your service is reliable before they'll let you swipe your credit card? "Sorry, your ping rates are too high, you can't buy an XBONE". I don't think so.
All Microsoft cares about is control. Not even for the profit on the XBONEs themselves, but for the future control that having that plugged-in consuming/spying device in your house.
You are welcome on my lawn.
My cousin currently owns an Xbox 360 and likes to play Call of Duty series, Battlefield series, and similar first-person shooters. He has rejected the Xbox One and is trying to decide between a PlayStation 4 console and a new gaming PC this December. Which $400 gaming PC that can play games with comparable graphics to forthcoming PS4 games would you recommend?
I play those games myself and looking forward to Battlefield 4 this winter. A PC is the best choice I feel and what I use.
I tried the Battlefield3 Beta on the PS3 and just didn't care for it at all.
Playing these games you can talk to others say your Squad or clan members; a helicopter pilot and gunner are a deadly pair if they
can talk to each other. The Playstation has just the one avenue I believe to chat to each other, The PC has three I can think of off hand Sonar by Dice,
Team Speak and Ventrilo. (all free) an example showing how much more versatile the PC is.
The PS4 will require a PS+ Subscription of around $5 (US) a month to play online, "roughly the same as an Xbox Live Gold subscription."
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/124821-PS4-Online-Multiplayer-Requires-PS-Subscription
The PC, no subscription required, just an Internet connection.
Which $400 gaming PC that can play games with comparable graphics to forthcoming PS4 games would you recommend?
Forgot to answer you, $400 might purchase the video card. I built mine and my sons both for less than $1100 each.
almost everything through www.Newegg.com.
Searching on Newegg.com for "Gaming computer" shows systems from $500 to $1700
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100019096%20600030537&IsNodeId=1&name=Gaming%20%26%20Entertainment&Tpk=gaming%20computer%20system
But again you can save a lot if you/he were to build it yourself.
The PS4 has faster memory, a better GPU, and a more efficient architecture between the CPU and GPU. And your price didn't include the price of the Windows license. And you can not buy and sell used games with the PC. Don't get me wrong, that PC is a very impressive machine for the money, but you can't quite say it's exactly the same.
Your numbers are incomplete. According to the 2010 census, 17.7% of the population of the U.S. is rural. That is somewhere around 50 million potential customers. MS would have to be idiots to throw away that profit stream without a way of making it up with something else. Like, say, getting a slice of the resale market. This lock down is just MS trying to tax the resale market, and get at that sweet, sweet free money. Or as I like to call it, douchery.
We should be grateful to the PS4 for finally breaking the cycle of games being the same old engine, just with higher rez textures, higher rez output, and more frame rates. The PS4 will enable open world games that are vastly more realistic and pleasing, and one day not too far away the PC will start to catch up.
They broke the cycle with the PS3 and the Cell architecture. The PS4 is going backwards "the PlayStation 4 will feature an AMD processor based
around the x86-64 instruction set"
"Other notable hardware features ... dedicated custom chips for processing audio, video and background tasks."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_4
Sound familiar? It's what the Amiga did, even had names for the chips
Denise (video) Paula (audio) Copper and Agnus ran the show
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_custom_chips
I'd buy a PS4 before an XBone, but all I use my PS3 for is Netflix.
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For $247.90, it looks you get a case, a power supply, a motherboard, CPU, heatsink, and some slow RAM. It has built-in graphics that, while useful, is probably nothing compared to what will be included with the PS3.
WTF am I supposed to do with that? That's not a gaming rig; that's a pile of parts.
Oh, I see. And I'm supposed to spend another $150 on a GPU. So now it's a $400 box with no storage, and no optical drive.
BD-ROM drives are, what, $70-ish?
Now it's $470.
Add storage, input devices, an operating system, and a game (launch bundles always seem to include a game), and...gosh, it doesn't seem like such a good deal after all, and it integrates poorly into my living room: PC gaming on a couch sucks. Double-suck if you want to play with a friend.
And when it's all said and done, I still have to administer the thing? My time isn't worth much, but I've got better things to do when I want to play a game than fuck around with drivers and tweak settings, like actually playing a game.
Kid-proof tablet..
If you're poor, you really shouldn't be spending $500 on a console plus $60 on games.
Anthropic principle: We see the universe the way it is because if it were different we would not be here to see it.
Jobs...is that you?
Why can't all fpga/microcontroller manufacturers just release free optimizing compilers???
Well, it used to be that when you bought a console VS gaming PC, you didn't have to worry about some things like compatability issues, drivers, viruses/spyware, etc.
Now we've got console games that essentially need 0-day patches to fix poorly-tested games, need to download software updates for licensing (playing BD discs, etc), need software updates to stay online and play with friends, need an internet connection just to play single player, and come with the spyware BUILT IN.
Congratulations vendors, you've taken away anything that make it worth having a console.
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I don't think you can do it if you're starting from scratch.. that build you linked to on Newegg doesn't have a good enough video card to actually more than match the new consoles. Sony said their GPU produces 1.8 TFLOPS, whereas the Radeon 6670 in that build produces 768 GFLOPS. That's just one measure of many, of course, but it's the only hard number I've heard about the PS4's GPU performance.
An $800 gaming PC will beat the consoles pretty easily in terms of power. Of course prices come down pretty quickly in the PC world, so perhaps next year's $529 budget gaming PC will do the trick.
That said, I agree with you about PCs being the way to go, and most people don't have to start from scratch and the cost of upgrading a few components is a lot lower. A $250 video card upgrade in an otherwise modest PC built in the last few years will probably beat both consoles.
"So you can't afford a better GPU on your build and that GPU can't even run current AAA titles at 1080p"
Umm.... my 5770 runs most everything at 1080p, no AA (not that it's needed at that resolution on my monitor when I'm sitting 6 feet away.)
As for the OS - who pays for an OS, even Windows?
"You have to wait for PC tech to make the console obsolete."
Guess you didn't pay attention to the hardware in the consoles versus what is already available today.
It was already obsolete before either system was ever announced.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
" It has built-in graphics that, while useful, is probably nothing compared to what will be included with the PS3."
Guess you never bothered to read the rest of my post nor check the full specs. That's not a problem, it just shows your and denial.
Despite having half of the cores, my current desktop under Windows will still run any of those AAA games at full graphics. How do I know? My old as shit Phenom x4 with 4GB DDR2 and a GTX460 still runs everything at 1080p without any issue.
You're still thinking gaming companies know how to do anything with multiple threads. Got some news for you...
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
According to the 2010 census, 17.7% of the population of the U.S. is rural.
I would imagine that video game console makers prefer customers with more discretionary income to buy more disc games and more download games. How much discretionary income do these rural dwellers have compared to urban dwellers?
I see that I made a typo there: s/PS3/PS4/
I trust you'll forgive me as your prose is not exactly the crown jewel of grammatical perfection, either:
That's not a problem, it just shows that you write phonetically with little regard for what the written words actually mean.
Kid-proof tablet..
So they embedded Zune into their phone OS so they could say it "evolved" its way there rather than being a colossal failure. But then the phone OS also hasn't done well, so what can they do now? Put their phone OS interface into their Desktop OS to save face? ;)
Q: How will avatars work in Xbox One and will my avatar items carry over?
A: Xbox One leverages your natural identity while continuing to have avatars as an important part of your identity. We’ll share more in the coming months.
You heard it here first: It's now mandatory to have your real name on your XBOX live profile. Now all those 13 year olds can come to your house and actually fuck your mom!
Not a lot of people would go as far as to get a tethering plan for internet outages; they can do other things when the internet is down, like do errands or play games. That's only part of the problem; the other problem is "despite us saying it would never happen, connection to XBone servers isn't working due to a technical error, high volume, or our system thinking you're a pirate with 90% confidence. Since you just turned your Xbone on and haven't played it for 24 hours, have fun not playing! But don't worry, this doesn't happen all that often." Sure, most people can live with it, but why get used to something that there is no need to get used to? I could get used to having to charge my phone every 30 minutes, but I wouldn't buy such a phone.
The big problem problem that new consoles are fighting for is: a reason to exist. Most games demo-ed so far look possible on the current generation of hardware. Crowd sources AI is an interesting twist, but possible on current consoles. Killer Instinct is an odd thing to revive, but it would play just as well on a PS3.
Suddenly Microsoft comes out with a console that:
1. Phones home every day.
2. Bans game lending.
3. Possibly cripples the used game market, or maybe not, nobody is really sure.
4. Requires Kinect to be always on, because that wasn't a disaapointment.
Their sales pitch of "You can play games that are basically last-gen games, but with fewer rights" has had shocking trouble resonating with consumers.
5. Integrates with PRISM natively, giving Big Gov (which is quite corrupt these days) a chance to look right into your living room.
6. ???
7. Profit at the expense of your privacy.
Microsoft was the first big tech company to roll over for the NSA (that there's pretty good knowledge of NSA backdoors into Windows for years just shows their further corrupt nature). They give NSA exploit information prior to patching it.
There is no way I am going to give Microsoft (and the government by proxy) a device that can tell when I entered a room, when I leave, and what I'm holding for f*cks sake. Just for some games?
To those who think that Ouya and XBone/PS4 aren't comparable - I'll tell you something - when several of the options is anathema, the remainder, no matter how poor, are all I'm willing to commit to - that it costs so much less is a bonus. I still haven't figured out the Wii U, and I'm not sure I have time to.
Fun should be simple - I debug/analyze and get systems working at my day job - I don't need to mess with all that @ home.
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Between 'your' and 'and' was the word ignorance.
I deleted it and forgot to remove the 'and' after it.
And yet you, with your supposedly superior language skills, could not see that?
Try a little harder when you're directing some research, like myself. Errors of omission or deletion are easy enough to detect if you've got the brains to do such.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
Pretty much defines how Microsoft is operating these days.
I haven't thought of anything clever to put here, but then again most of you haven't either.
It was an illustration of the fact that neither of us are perfect.
Now, really: Who gives a shit? We've both corrected ourselves.
If you've some manner of useful point to make, I'm all ears.
Kid-proof tablet..
Even the Wii provides a better experience in that regard, both for local multiplayer [...] But in general, why would you want to buy a locked out system
The Wii, the Wii U, and in fact every Nintendo console since the Nintendo Entertainment System has been "a locked out system". The lockout chip, combined with a developer approval policy that has exploited the correlation between experience and quality, has resulted in a measure of quality control on Nintendo's platforms. This quality control is arguably the only way the NES was able to pull the North American video game market out of the shovelware rut it was in from 1983 through 1985. As for why one would buy a console over a living room gaming PC in the first place, that's because major PC game developers have tended to pay little attention to local multiplayer, and major developers of local multiplayer games have tended to pay little attention to the PC platform.
How quickly we forget.
Most people posting here weren't at E3. I was, and I'm here to tell you that the XBOne is by far the best of the next-gen console as it stands now. The games do look next-gen, are well-thought out, and impressive.
No wonder, considering that the demos you saw at the show were run on a massively beefed up Windows 7 PC with a GTX 770 graphics card. What you're going to get on the real hardware will be nowhere near as impressive, since the real Xbone's GPU will have shader performance roughly equivalent to a Radeon HD 7790, but with much worse memory bandwidth due to using DDR3 instead of GDDR5.
The really creative ones build their own systems and roll their own kernels.
You are welcome on my lawn.
You are welcome on my lawn.
I grew up in a town of 3,000 and I can honestly say that the rural people are in more need of entertainment options...
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I don't think you would. In principle, MS want you to have a decent internet connection because they want you to see the Xbox as more than just a games console. At the very least, they want you to take advantage of multi-player gaming but most likely they also want you to take advantage of the non-gaming aspects of the console.
No, that's just the bullshit rationalisation of the decision. If XBox One worked without an Internet connection, it would still be more than a games console for those people who have got an Internet connection.
I'd speculate that the real reason is more about DRM. It's about moving the users' perception of the games to being a service that they buy/rent, not an object that they buy and can resell/lend to somebody else like they can with a CD or a book. That way, Microsoft can sell more stuff.
To be frank, I think they're pretty much saying that if you don't have a reliable internet service, they don't want you as a customer. Pretty arrogant I agree but I think that's along the right lines.
I think this is true.
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I absolutely agree with your analysis and I'm proud to be one of those not taken into account.
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That PC has no wireless, no blue-tooth, no controller and no blu-ray drive. On top of that, it's $130 more expensive and weaker specced.
So what you're saying is that if you spend more money, you can get something less powerful than a PS4, with half the components missing, and a bigger, uglier form factor, and no doubt higher power consumption, heat generation and noise?
Not to mention the PC will be quickly out of date, whilst a console gets more powerful throughout its generation.
Technically - microwave links have some of the lowest latency available.
A point-to-point microwave link gives the subscriber a low-latency connection to the cell tower at the other end of that link, but the other player is still on the other side of the Internet from the tower. You'd end up just as many hops away from the other player as you'd be with cable or DSL.
Your games won't be attached to a console but attached to your account. If you want to play that game at a friend's house just log in to their box and play all you want. Also claiming that you have to start a new xbox live account when your xbox dies? Get your shit straight.
Oh yea, and fuck consoles, all of them.
whilst a console gets more powerful throughout its generation.
I laughed.
The reason I laughed is that, I believe what you meant to say with out understanding what you where saying...
The reason graphics improved on the older generation of consoles in ye olde days, was that these where entirely new systems each one had all kinds of quirks to learn the CPU's where not usually the same ones used in PC's the Graphics chips usually where custom jobs same with the sound processors in most machines.
The PS4 and the Xbox One, are both pretty much PC's, there is no new hardware to learn, the graphics cards are a couple of generations back PC hardware the CPU while new is AMD's weakest CPU currently available so much so that is it even under-clocked for the consoles at 1.6Ghz (You can get them in PC's now they come in the $299 E-Machines with less cores but much higher clocked.) So the software you see on the PS4 and the Xbox One, will see ever so slight improvement as developers "master" the systems but don't expect the giant leap in graphics quality like the PS1 or PS2 enjoyed with later games in the lifespan of those systems making the launch software look bad. That's not going to happen this time.
What will this mean for PC gaming? Well any sort of console to PC ports will not require much in the way of hardware... Give PC's 2 years and the lowest of the low end E-Machine will be bumping up against the PS4 and Xbox One in terms of power, especially since AMD and Intel are both doing the integrated CPU/GPU thing.
Long story short, you don't buy a console because your worried about how powerful it is, that's just dumb. Buy a console if you have the extra money and it has some games you really want to play. If you have to pick between owning a PC and a console... get the PC it can do things like "work" and if you happen to spend enough on it you can also play games too, many of the times the exact same games released on the consoles. (Making owning a console seem outright redundant.)
No, they've taken it into account all right. They've also factored in the number of slashdot style geeks that will rage about the requirements, but already have a preorder and will be standing in line at midnight on day one anyway. Gamers aren't known for sticking to their principles.
Personally, I prefer to be upfront. I'll buy one, cause from my perspective it looks like a damn good media centre PC. PS4 looks more like the gaming device... for now.
For a site about things like basic rights, Slashdot users sure do like to censor "dissent".
Exactly. And if you're that poor, fuck off. You are too poor to appreciate the thing anyway. Go play with some rocks and mud.
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