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Steve Ballmer Reorganizing Microsoft

Nerval's Lobster writes "Microsoft's big reorganization has begun. Rumors had persisted for weeks that Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer was planning a massive, once-in-a-lifetime reorganization of the company he's been running for quite some time. Now the plan is out in the open, and things are going to change in huge ways. Microsoft will coalesce around 'a single strategy as one company,' CEO Steve Ballmer wrote in a really lengthy memo posted on Microsoft's Website, 'not a collection of division strategies.' The company's product portfolio — from Windows and Xbox to enterprise applications — will be regarded and operated upon in a holistic manner. Ballmer wants this 'one company' approach to extend how Microsoft handles its advertising, marketing and consumer-service operations. Ballmer also wants to knock down the walls that have slowly grown between Microsoft's various divisions, at least as far as engineering's concerned. The new 'engineering culture' will apparently facilitate collaboration 'across the company,' with an emphasis on cross-group contributions (and maintaining secrecy, of course, for the giant projects). Read on for much more on how Microsoft is reorganizing all its internal groups, as well as a rundown of who's in and who's out on the executive level."

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  1. Fixed that for you by tom229 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Microsoft's big reorganization has begun. Rumors had persisted for weeks that Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer was planning a massive, once-in-a-lifetime reorganization of the company he's been ruining for quite some time.

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    1. Re:Fixed that for you by chuckinator · · Score: 5, Funny

      Stories like this bring the phrase "rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic" to mind.

    2. Re:Fixed that for you by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Didn't they reorganize as a engineering centric company around 2000 as well?

      If only they had a real leader, they might be able to pull off this unified company concept...

    3. Re:Fixed that for you by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Microsoft's big reorganization has begun. Rumors had persisted for weeks that Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer was planning a massive, once-in-a-lifetime reorganization of the company he's been ruining for quite some time.

      To be fair, the company once had a rather singular approach the the market, but through expansion and growth it ended up looking like bloated octopus.

      Expect some housecleaning to be a part of this re-org as redundancy is cut out, empires reigned in.

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    4. Re:Fixed that for you by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I wouldn't be so sure—Microsoft's terrible internal organization and infighting have been discussed at length in the past, and it's quite reasonable to say that this is the exact problem that makes their products what we despise. One tiny example: PowerShell was supposed to be an update for the Command Prompt, but because the group that wrote PowerShell wasn't the group in charge of the core system, it had to be shipped as a separate product. The fiefdom regime essentially makes it difficult or impossible to contribute to projects that aren't your own, creating huge barriers to contributing bugs; everything is its own little cathedral. Here's a more detailed rant on the technical consequences from an anonymous MS employee.

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    5. Re:Fixed that for you by 91degrees · · Score: 5, Funny

      There's a joke here about throwing deckchairs at the Titanic, somewhere. I just can't quite make it work.

    6. Re:Fixed that for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So thats more adverts with everything then ?

    7. Re:Fixed that for you by mwvdlee · · Score: 5, Funny

      Except that when it comes to rearranging chairs, nobody is more efficient than Ballmer.

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    8. Re:Fixed that for you by Almahtar · · Score: 4, Funny

      We all know Ballmer is quite the whiz with chairs.

    9. Re:Fixed that for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      empires reigned in

      GAAAH

      I see this mistake everywhere now. The word is spelled reined when used in this context. "Reigned" was something a king did. "Reined" refers to something that was curtailed or brought under control - i.e., "I reined in my horse," meaning, I slowed down my horse by pulling on the reins, which is where the expression came from.

      Empires are not kings. Empires do not (or did not) rule something. Therefore, it has to be "reined."

    10. Re:Fixed that for you by hairyfeet · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well if the rumors that have been "surfacing" (pun intended) lately are true I owe a big "Sorry about that dude" to Sinofsky as rumor has it he wanted Windows 8 to really be 7.1 and he wanted Metro to be the new mobile and he got cockblocked by Ballmer who probably wears an "I heart Apple" shirt to work.

      At the end of the day its business 101, give folks what they want to buy or they'll take their business elsewhere. Instead what we have is TBB (Typical Ballmer behavior) where he goes "Ohh you don't like our walled gardens and cellphone UIs? well fuck you will make it twice as nasty!". See win 8.1 having a "start button" that takes you back to the fucking Metro UI the user wants to get the hell away from in the first place for an example. I just hope when win 8.1 shits itself and bombs that the board will fire his fat ass and the other rumor,that ballmer can NEVER be fired thanks to gates backing his Little buddy" aren't true, or else by 2020 when Win 7 reaches EOL it'll see MSFT reach EOL with it and like 'em or hate 'em they are pretty much the only game in town unless you want a dumb terminal (Google) or an overpriced iToy that you can't upgrade or fix shit on.

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    11. Re:Fixed that for you by geminidomino · · Score: 2

      Empires are not kings. Empires do not (or did not) rule something.

      While your syntax nitpick may be valid, that has got to be one of the most WTF examples of mislogic that I've seen in weeks.

    12. Re:Fixed that for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Don't feel bad. Ballmer can't quite make it work either.

    13. Re:Fixed that for you by jythie · · Score: 2

      The problem with 'focused' reorgs like this is they tend to not actually stop the infighting, they simply declare a winner. So it is possible that Microsoft will now have even bigger problems with 'so how does your division help the one true division that matters?' meme

    14. Re:Fixed that for you by slashmydots · · Score: 2

      I was going to correct it as "running into the ground" actually.

    15. Re:Fixed that for you by kimvette · · Score: 1

      Or, it could be a simple omission:

      Steve Ballmer was planning a massive, once-in-a-lifetime reorganization of the company he's been running into the ground for quite some time.

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    16. Re:Fixed that for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that goes back to a comment to MS's constant infighting, people hold resentment over such things, and even by this notion of a unified company with no walls, this is going to leak over, and they do not (DO NOT) cater to customers wants nor needs. They have continued to do what they want when they want, only difference between them doing that in there old monopoly days, compared to now is people have and will switch there OS, and or use open source software compatible with Windows.
      That is the other problem, how they sell different packages excluded from the OS, and the ridiculous licensing fees, and now they are switching to force people to use a cloud based software while still handing out ludicrous fees.

      Bottom line is there are alternatives out there, and regardless of there efforts people have had enough. Now they are going to copy cat Gaagles advertising model to try and save themselves as well as copying other companies models. And in all fairness they stole/ripped off the Amiga's OS and claimed it to be there own.

    17. Re:Fixed that for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      May he reign as CEO for however long it takes!

    18. Re:Fixed that for you by kimvette · · Score: 4, Interesting

      > and like 'em or hate 'em they are pretty much the only game in town unless you want a dumb terminal (Google) or an overpriced iToy that you can't upgrade or fix shit on.

      If it comes to that, you'd see Crossover get some serious corporate sponsorship so that legacy Windows apps run smoothly on Linux and OS X, and you'd see Linux and OS X gain wide market acceptance on the desktop as well as in the server room.

      Windows doesn't have to be the only game in town. In the server room they are far from it.

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    19. Re:Fixed that for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      May Ballmer Reign as CEO forever!

    20. Re:Fixed that for you by kimvette · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No wonder you posted AC - you're blatantly wrong (reined in this sense means brought under control, not reigned as in ruled) as well as homophobic and resorting to ad-hominem attacks.

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    21. Re:Fixed that for you by Dcnjoe60 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I wouldn't be so sure—Microsoft's terrible internal organization and infighting have been discussed at length in the past [slashdot.org], and it's quite reasonable to say that this is the exact problem that makes their products what we despise.

      Except that Ballmer has been at the helm for most of that time and ultimately responsible for the organization and infighting as it is part of the corporate culture at Microsoft. That is why most boards bring in a whole new management team when such a top down re-organization is required. Most boards realize that you only get one chance to get it right. That's why you don't let the fox who has been raiding the hen house be the one who reorganizes the hen house. Leaving Balmmer and the rest of the management team in place means that board believes that management isn't the problem, but the workers are. That doesn't bode well for the future of Microsoft as the workers aren't the ones who have created the corporate culture nor are they the ones who have made the company a shadow of what it once was or could have been.

    22. Re:Fixed that for you by Barlo_Mung_42 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Powershell is also a good example of how they have recognized the problem and are starting to fix it. PS comes install on Win8 and on Win8.1 it is the default on the command menu (Winkey+X -> A). MS is far from sinking as GP would have us believe and I think with these changes it will perform even better.

    23. Re:Fixed that for you by gmuslera · · Score: 1

      The chairs will be saved (Ballmer actually have an use for them), is the people the one that will sink.

    24. Re: Fixed that for you by macs4all · · Score: 3, Funny

      Dear Steve, Heard about the reorganization. Sounds great! Keep up the good work! It's visionaries like you that have made Microsoff what it is today. -Tim Cook

    25. Re:Fixed that for you by jcr · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think Ballmer's trying to do the right thing by breaking down the internal barriers, but there are a hell of a lot of managers there who built their little empires, and won't give them up just because the CEO tells them to. What I'm waiting to see is whether anyone obeys him.

      -jcr

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    26. Re:Fixed that for you by RenderSeven · · Score: 1

      I think he meant "empires rained in" because Microsoft could use a little rain. Or maybe "rayoned" although I fail to see how Microsoft needs more threads. Oh wait...

    27. Re:Fixed that for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They'll either obey or get the chair.

    28. Re:Fixed that for you by danbuter · · Score: 0

      He'll fire a few high-profile idiots who stick their heads up to make the point. Everyone else will fall in line.

    29. Re:Fixed that for you by Type44Q · · Score: 0

      It could be said that Ballmer rearranges chairs the way Mike Tyson rearranges faces.

    30. Re:Fixed that for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stories like this bring the phrase "rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic" to mind.

      Why? It is not as if they are in the same situation as a Cupertino company that could not deliver a working OS or usable machines which had to be rescued from impending bankruptcy.

    31. Re:Fixed that for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry? I believe that one went over my head.

    32. Re:Fixed that for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He could start by removing himself.

    33. Re:Fixed that for you by ISoldat53 · · Score: 1

      We trained hard...... But it seems that every time we were beginning to form up into teams, we would be reoganized. I was to learn in later life that we tend to meet any new situation by reoganizing: and a wonderful method it cam be for creation the illusion of progress while producing confusion, inefficiency, and demoralization. Petonius Arbiter 210 B.C.

    34. Re:Fixed that for you by mbkennel · · Score: 2

      It's correct. Empires are ruled. Emperors rule.

    35. Re:Fixed that for you by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 5, Informative

      A more rational organization would have strangled the syntactic abomination that is powershell at birth.

      Full disclosure: I use and despise Powershell every day. I'm getting better and better at both using and despising it.

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    36. Re:Fixed that for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      ... it is the default on the command menu (Winkey+X -> A).

      I want to make an EMACS joke, but it's just too sad.

    37. Re:Fixed that for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Soviet Russia, you hold the deck chairs while they throw the Titanic at you!

    38. Re:Fixed that for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      creating huge barriers to contributing bugs;

      Do you want people contributing bugs?

    39. Re:Fixed that for you by Kielistic · · Score: 1

      Empires are not kings. Empires do not (or did not) rule something. Therefore, it has to be "reined."

      Kings do reign in empires though. I can see where the mistake comes from. They almost certainly mean to say "reined" but you could probably make an argument that "reign" can make "sense". Even if it did work into a fairly awkward sentence.

    40. Re:Fixed that for you by Cid+Highwind · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yes, but they also instituted stack ranking for performance reviews about the same time, so by now the upper echelons are hopelessly full of people whose core competencies are "pushing others under the bus" and "making it look like an accident", instead of engineering and leadership.

      I'm hoping someday a former executive will write a tell-all book about the backstabbing in Redmond... and title it "A Game of Chairs".

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    41. Re:Fixed that for you by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 1

      ...you may be on to something there.

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    42. Re:Fixed that for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fiefdom regime essentially makes it difficult or impossible to contribute to projects that aren't your own, creating huge barriers to contributing bugs.

      And yet despite this, the quantity of bugs in their products is trememdous. Well done boys!

    43. Re:Fixed that for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ein Volk,
      ein Reich,
      ein Ballmer.

    44. Re:Fixed that for you by chuckinator · · Score: 2

      Brazil, 1985, directed by Terry Gilliam. Sam Lowry (played by Jonathan Pryce) has an obnoxious neighbor at work that has monopoly access to the local computer at the office. He proclaims that he's "quite a whiz with computers" when running interference on Sam's attempt to use the terminal despite his obvious incompetence with them.

    45. Re:Fixed that for you by onyxruby · · Score: 1

      More efficient? If he were more efficient he wouldn't have missed the first time.

    46. Re:Fixed that for you by jcr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There's a difference between falling in line and paying lip service to the plan.

      -jcr

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    47. Re:Fixed that for you by sjames · · Score: 1

      Or throwing them overboard in Ballmer's case.

    48. Re:Fixed that for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tear down the walls in the Titanic so the chairs fly longer and it sinks faster

    49. Re:Fixed that for you by marcosdumay · · Score: 1

      People don't change... But somehow they are always getting worse.

    50. Re:Fixed that for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe I here an orchestra starting to play "Nearer my God to Thee"

    51. Re:Fixed that for you by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 2

      If Balmer is responsible for the ZuneHD, Windows Phone, Windows 7/8 and Xbox 360 then he's doing something right.

      None of those have sold terribly well but for all of its faults ZuneHD was Spotify 5 years before spotify. And suddenly people realized how amazing a service like that would be.

      Microsoft's biggest problem as of late has been its complete disconnect on sales. It doesn't know how to sell what it's got.

    52. Re:Fixed that for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To rein in something is to slow it down or bring under control...like you'd rein in a horse that's galloping when you want it to really trot or walk.

      To reign is to RULE over which is NOT what in the hell the poster was talking about- though Ballsy's reining over the whole lot and should rein that in a bit, not that he will...

      Oh, by the way, you might want to rein in your bullshit. It's kind of telling that you're posting it Anon...because you're talking out your ass...

    53. Re:Fixed that for you by modmans2ndcoming · · Score: 1

      because the legacy dos prompt was way better....NOT.

    54. Re:Fixed that for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe 7 was developed at the end of Gates' reign (Gates left in 2008, W7 was released in mid-2009) and the beginning of Ballmer's, 8 was entirely Ballmer. XBox 360? Gates. XBone? Ballmer.

      The problem with Microsoft is that it doesn't understand that what it wants to be isn't what it's good at; and what it's good at isn't what it wants to be.

      Microsoft wants to be the anything and everything for consumer hardware and software. And for a while, for most of the 90s and the beginning of the 2000s, it was.

      But they are playing catch-up with the Internet and with the personal device revolution. Neither of these are things Microsoft does really well.

      Here's what I'm going to focus on if I were running Microsoft:

          * Microsoft Operating System Development - Go back to the UI of 7. Nobody was complaining about 7's UI. It was "Windows done right" and they should have stuck with it. But an OS is more than a UI, naturally. Make Windows work the same for the user, but improve it all under the hood.

          * Microsoft Game and Device Development - Work at providing the best platform for game development: Direct X. Here's my strategy for the Xbox: Make it so *any* X-box game will run on a Windows PC with a graphics card. Don't even need to buy two different discs - just have 'em work on both. And don't fragment the market between "kinect required" and "kinect not required." I can't tell you how stupid it was that "Who Wants To Be A Millionaire" - a game with only four choices! - requires Kinect.

          * Microsoft Business and Enterprise Development: Your enterprise offerings need to be simpler to use and more stable than Linux. 'nuff said.

          * Microsoft Mobile Development: Scrap it, start developing a windows compatability layer for Android.

    55. Re:Fixed that for you by Livius · · Score: 1

      Empires rule over nations. E.g. Rome over Egypt (before annexation), England over Ireland, Russia over Finland, the US over Cuba, the Soviet Union over Czechoslovakia, etc.

    56. Re:Fixed that for you by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 2

      Agreed. It was NOT better, however the tools provided by Powershell could have been more easily provided by extending the net framework to be *easily* available via vbscript or jscript. Changing the environment to use tags where old code would work, while allowing new code to be gradually included would have provided backward compatibility AND NOT screwed a few hundred thousand system administrators with a significant code investment.

      And this is the fundamental problem with the shambles that is Microsoft's development platforms. "Well you have to recode...." IS ALWAYS THE WRONG ANSWER.

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    57. Re:Fixed that for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "... well fuck you will make it twice as nasty!"

      "... [W]ell fuck you[.] [We'll] make it twice as nasty!"

      "What will happen?" "the will to live" "He left it to you in his will."

      we will => we'll

      Just because you pronounce it wrong is no excuse to spell it wrong.

    58. Re:Fixed that for you by modmans2ndcoming · · Score: 1

      considering Poweshell was a separate beast until 8.1 comes out I think MS has given ample (7 years) time for sys admins to update their libraries of code for powershell.

    59. Re:Fixed that for you by Neo-Rio-101 · · Score: 1

      I bet he'll do that by throwing them

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    60. Re: Fixed that for you by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 1

      The point is that they shouldn't have had to.

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    61. Re:Fixed that for you by Junta · · Score: 1

      Powershell is an oddball that is part python, part perl, and part bash, with heavy amounts of .Net thrown in. While very potent, that makes for some... extraordinarily peculiar constructs and surprisingly ambiguous reaction to certain pipeline flows (e.g. the datatype of seomthing returned being an array type or a singelton type based on number of results can have disatrous results when code tested with just one match suddenly hits an array, or vice versa).

      Things like perl/python are not interactive shells for good reason, and bash is a terrible syntax for efficient complex programs for good reason.

      I will give them the pipeline operator is a handy shorthand for an iterator operation however.

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    62. Re:Fixed that for you by DuckDodgers · · Score: 1

      I think the general product plan to unify user interface paradigms between desktop, server, tablet, and phone makes sense. And I think putting together an application store makes sense - you can check applications in the store for security problems, and get into the book/music/movie streaming and rental service just like Apple, Amazon, Google, etc...

      But while the concept of what Windows 8 tried to be makes complete sense to me, the implementation did not.

    63. Re: Fixed that for you by bondsbw · · Score: 1

      This is why you would never make a good CEO. You want to live in the past while others are passing you by.

      I don't agree with, or hell, even like everything Microsoft is doing. I have been quite vocal on their forums. But my complaints aren't that they are finally acknowledging that they have to compete. My complaints are that they are becoming secretive like Apple, when their business traditionally targets business consumers who by their nature need to know future support plans.

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    64. Re:Fixed that for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A lot of the syntax issues in PowerShell stem from this exact problem. Every team used to write their own commands, leaving them all with different syntax and little consistency. They already took this direction for PowerShell development, and are supposedly working to resolve a lot of those issues. I haven't started using PowerShell 3 to see if there are really any improvements, but at least they know it's a problem.

      And what did you expect? This is M$ we're talking about. I'm just thankful I don't have to use a GUI for every god-awful task now.

    65. Re:Fixed that for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A deck chair traveling at about 7 km/s could impart roughly equal energy to the Titanic's hull as the collision with the iceberg that destroyed it.
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      The Titanic carried 600 heavy wooden deck chairs. Modern wooden deck chairs are made of mixed-source forest-certified eco-green buzzwood and are fairly light at around 10 Kg (google: fsc deck chair)

      Titanic deck chairs were built back in the days when there was still old-growth rainforest to cut down. They weigh in around 15 Kg. (google: teak deck chair)

      E = (1/2*m) * (v^2)

      Wikipedia says:
      Modern ultrasound surveys of the wreck have found that the damage consisted of six narrow openings in an area of the hull covering only about 12 to 13 square feet (1.1 to 1.2 m2) in total. [...] Recovered pieces of Titanic's hull plates appear to have shattered on impact with the iceberg, without bending.

      Wrought iron has a tensile strength of about 300 MPa. The rivets holding the weak part of Titanic's hull were stressed to breaking, but let's assume they weren't. Also let's assume the entire area we're exploding with a deck chair is made entirely of Titanic rivets, because it can't add that much more inaccuracy at this point.

      To exceed 300 MPa on a surface of 1.2 m2, we need roughly 300*1.2 MN of force: 360 MN
      We need to impart this much force by throwing a 15 Kg deck chair perpendicularly at the hull of the doomed vessel.

      F = ma

      360 MN = (15)a

      a = 24,000,000 m/s^2

      in other words almost 2.5 million g. What happens to the deck chair?

      E = (1/2*m) * (v^2)

      360 MJ = (1/2*15) * (v^2)

      v = ~7000 m/s

      The deck chair is 2 meters long and comes to a stop in 2*(1/7000) seconds = 0.285 ms
      This is an acceleration of roughly 24,500,000 m/s^2, which agrees with our previous force estimate

      Blah blah hypervelocity explosion blah blah omnidirectional energy release blah blah surface ablation plasma chemistry blah blah orbital velocity deck chair traveling through sea level atmosphere blah blah vacuum channel blah blah blah blah blah

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      tl;dr: Give Ballmer the world's biggest light gas gun loaded with a deck chair, or possibly an orbital deck chair launcher, and he can sink the Titanic. He's sinking Microsoft just fine by himself though

    66. Re:Fixed that for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You ever wonder why Bill stepped down? He saw how terrible it was getting, he was the one at the top.
      And after the trial-run with Vista being a god-awful mess, he was just done, gone, out of there.

      Also, remember when Obama was all cheery and happy before he stepped in to Office?
      "I can FIX this country, I am the greatest, it is trivial to fix it" ~ paraphrasing of course.
      Steps in, few months later, you could see his smile sink to levels beyond his faces geometry.

      Being in a high position of power can destroy even the cheeriest, decent of people, even the most determined.
      So many people say they could fix a country easily, but all of those that try only end up realizing how much the countries are in ruin, how abusive things are, all the in-fighting through each of the divisions.
      Then you go "oh hey, let's help fix this country, we are going to increase datasharing between X, Y and Z to speed up things and make our country more efficient"
      Then of course you get the morons crying, "but you just want to spy on us!", without realizing being in any modern society you are spied on every single day where you interact with anything, for the most part. (especially financial related)
      Anyway, that was a bit of a side rant on what is likely going to happen over the coming weeks as Microsoft restructure.

    67. Re:Fixed that for you by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      If our backend stuff ran on Linux (school MIS system), we'd already be on it. If MS go annual release, as suggested, I assume that means shorter support cycle too. We wouldn't be able to afford the license upgrades.

      There's a market for school MIS systems which run on F/OSS. Someone get coding one.

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    68. Re:Fixed that for you by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Dude I'll say the same thing I've been saying for years, Linux ain't done shit, ain't doing shit, and ain't GONNA do shit until that egomaniac Torvalds is punted like a 30 yard field return because his ass refuses to let go of that tired, worthless, POS, early 90s throwback of a driver model that NOBODY, not even the other FOSS OSes like BSD and OpenSolaris supports.

      I mean you can use fricking math to show how is old fart 90s attitude isn't gonna work, you have MAYBE 400 guys that are qualified to write low level device drivers working on the kernel,right? That number BTW is pulled out of my behind and is probably a LOT smaller but I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt here. So you have 400 guys, and average TEN THOUSAND or so devices released every.single.quarter. from your cheapo printers to webcams to all the USB crap, and then you look at the back catalog you probably have nearly 100,000 drivers by now...starting to see the problem? if you gave those 400 devs a mountain of coke and made them work 24/7 for the rest of their days they'd MAYBE touch every driver.....oh I'd say about every 4 years. Meanwhile you got Linus fiddling with shit, the guys that run the network stack fiddling with shit, the DE guys, the audio guys...see the problem? What you get is this kind of crap where the drivers you end up with are half assed, don't support most of the features the device has, and are piss poor at best.

      There is A REASON why every single other OS on the planet uses ABI and the ONLY one that doesn't is Torvalds, because ABIs are good design, what Torvalds had worked when Linux was a class project but it just don't cut the mustard now. You can look up "The Hairyfeet Challenge" and try it for yourself, it simulates a 5 years install which is HALF the amount of support you get from Windows and also doesn't use a single bit of exotic hardware and even then Torvalds model just doesn't fucking work. The ONLY reason it works in enterprise is companies like HP paying out the ass for dev teams to keep rebuilding their drivers when they get crapped on, that shit ain't happening in the consumer space.

      So you see it isn't Windows holding Linux back, its those at the top of Linux that treat it like a FOSSie religion (see the rant from one of the kernel devs when asked about an ABI, and I quote,"And I hope we break non free drivers constantly!" which if that doesn't prove they care more about "racial purity" than having a functional Operating System i don't know what does) that keep holding onto a backwards ass broken system that even 5 minutes of thought and common sense would show its not gonna fucking work, and hasn't worked well since the late 90s. Believe me as a retailer I wished it did work but it don't so its not even worth talking about until it has an ABI, its a waste of time.

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    69. Re:Fixed that for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too bad I'm out of mod points... Hats off to you sir.

    70. Re:Fixed that for you by WuphonsReach · · Score: 1

      An even more rational organization would have moved over to running the whole thing on top of a BSD base and taken advantage of things like bash, csh, ksh, while offering PowerShell as just another option.

      But, Microsoft, are kings of NIH and lock-in for the sake of lock-in.

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    71. Re:Fixed that for you by spiralx · · Score: 1

      I like everything about Powershell except the syntax... which was inspired by Perl according to one of the designers. When I read this it explained a lot, because I hate Perl's syntax as well.

    72. Re:Fixed that for you by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 1

      Agreed. I like what it *does.* It's just that the syntax adds nothing to the functionality. Any C-form or VB-form language is more readable and maintainable. Powershell, like Perl, follows the naive notion that the most efficient language is the one that is perfectly consistent and uses the smallest number of characters. While this might be correct from a mathematics point of view, it's laughable from a human factors/psychology point of view.

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    73. Re:Fixed that for you by tendrousbeastie · · Score: 1

      Britain was not the British Empire. The British Empire was the territory that Britain ruled. The empire is not the ruling entity, the empire is the territory ruled. An imperial power does the ruling, but the empire is the recipient of rule, not the originator.

    74. Re:Fixed that for you by spiralx · · Score: 1

      Gah, Larry Wall and his "natural language" crap, he's a terrible language designer and an even worse linguist. And I'm sure you've seen the Perl 6 periodic table of operators, which I'm fairly sure the Perl core think is a good thing, not an utterly obvious example of why Perl 6 is still not near release.

      Powershell 3 seems to have a bunch of syntax improvements that make it better though, had a look earlier, you can now write "(dir).fileName" rather than "dir | % { $_.fileName }" and everything works the same now with both a single output or a list of outputs, along with a bunch of other stuff that should make it less of a symbol-fest. However, in the mean time I've finally remembered the syntax for FOR in cmd.exe, and have written most of what I need as a file-processing library in Python. I'm not a Windows admin, that'll do for me.

      PS. lol, just remember that one of the new syntax features is that instead of writing $_ you can now use $PSItem - apparently lots of people had complained about strange, meaningless symbols being confusing. Fancy that!

    75. Re:Fixed that for you by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I see this mistake everywhere now. The word is spelled reined when used in this context. "Reigned" was something a king did.

      Boy, it really reigned last night where I was.

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    76. Re:Fixed that for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shut your fucking mouth.

    77. Re:Fixed that for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      @Ballmer

      I really don't think anything you (Balmer) can do will make or break Microsoft... You have had 13 years... The masses must have m$ (myself included). I work in IT and I have KDE ubuntu with a vm of w7 on the domain which I use as a visual queue when talking users through a task. Otherwise, I use Linux... If m$ can get a bash-ish cli maybe, but powershell, wmi, cmd -- deprecate this, deprecate that. Bro! WTF!

      Depending on who you ask m$ is an Angel or a Devil, either of which possess great power. You can't seriously tell me that powershell is the best you can come up with?

      Get BASH and the world will be well.

      I mean really, Apple is a 'Nix. Why must m$ be so difficult? Oh Yeah, what is it now 15.2 billion? That is like 1.7 billion a year for holding the world hostage. You change licensing like I change underwear. One year I can buy a volume key, the next I need to build a friggin' server just for your friggin' KMS! Bro! WTF! I mean you let XP go on for how long? Then there was Vista which made everyone long for XP. Next came 7, which isn't so bad. Now there is 8 which I must confess I am avoiding like a dentist's visit.

      In closing, I would like to say... BRO! WTF!

    78. Re: Fixed that for you by modmans2ndcoming · · Score: 1

      why shouldn't they have had to update their ancient code to work on a new system? If they don't want to update it then stick with the old platform.

    79. Re:Fixed that for you by modmans2ndcoming · · Score: 1

      why not just use perl on a windows system and be done with it?

    80. Re: Fixed that for you by slidersv · · Score: 1

      That's an interesting perspective.

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    81. Re: Fixed that for you by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Well as a retailer and system builder believe me there is NO love for MSFT here, they royally screw us system builders, we can't even get them to talk about ANY discount on retail price unless we are buying 10,000+ licenses so we would love nothing more than to flip them the bird and tell Redmond to piss off.

      But that is where the Hairyfeet Challenge comes in, as I can't be giving an OS that is gonna crap out on its first update to my customers, it would destroy my rep and put me out of business. So with the Hairyfeet Challenge I'd take a random desktop or laptop down, slap in the version of whatever distro I was testing from 5 years ago, be it Ubuntu, PCLinuxOS, Mandriva (whatever they call it now) and so on and what did I find? NONE of them ended the test with 100% functional drivers, NOT ONE. Wireless, sound, video, drivers were getting crapped on all over the damned place! And was there a find drivers or rolback drivers button, something that has been in windows since Windows 2K a decade and a half ago? Nope the ONLY choice you end up with is CLI messes, forum hunts, and Googling for fixes.

      So THIS, this right here, is why Linux ain't doing shit even with MSFT putting out the most hated OS since WinME, its because every B&M and retailer that has tried Linux has found out the same thing I have, Torvalds piss poor driver model just doesn't fucking work. And what really pisses me off is its not because of some deep and dark flaw with the underlying OS, in fact it could have an ABI added probably pretty easily, no it comes down to RELIGION and when you start having religious debates in the middle of a talk on OS design? you are royally FUCKED with a capital F.

      But that is what it comes down to, religion. Like the more extreme religions they don't trust you to choose "their way" of living so like a cult you HAVE to follow their beliefs, no choice is allowed in the so called "free as in freedom" OS. I found this out the hard way by going to their forums, sending the higher ups emails, it never failed that what would always START as a talk on OS design would quickly be switched by them to a talk about "GPL Purity" and "Spirit of the GPL"...spirits belong in seances NOT in talks of OS design! You saw the quote from one of the kernel devs, that is what I got when I pointed out how I can take a decade old driver and still have it work in Windows while a three year old driver won't work in Linux, they WANT the drivers to break so they can try to force their "GPL purity" bullshit upon you instead of letting you choose what works for you! And the ultimate irony, their forums are filled with posts advising people to use the NON FREE Nvidia drivers because...drumroll...they fucking work!

      This is why I have all Linux articles blocked, there is no point in talking OS design with religious loonies which is why I call 'em FOSSies, like Moonies its ALL about the dogma, reality has no place there, and until that changes Linux will stay right where it is, with numbers so low it is below the margin for error. When you have people risking fines and even jail time to steal the other guy's product when you stand there trying to hand them yours for free? If that isn't a cluebat to the head that something is seriously wrong with your product i don't know what is! BTW you know what I got when I pointed that out? "I don't care if only one person uses it as long as it upholds the GPL"...fucking religious bullshit!

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  2. Executive summary. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    He's an idiot.

    1. Re:Executive summary. by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And I am thrilled that he's running MS. If they had someone smart in there, things would be really horrifying in computer-land.

    2. Re:Executive summary. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So said the anonymous commenter who probably resides in his mom's basement and would probably fail at managing a company similar to Microsoft. And that gets an Insightful +5. What.

  3. Ballmer to start wears black turthnecks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    n/t

  4. chair jokes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Ballmer also wants to knock down the walls"

    Nah, too easy.

    1. Re:chair jokes by Chrisq · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Ballmer also wants to knock down the walls"

      Nah, too easy.

      I was going to say "Steve Ballmer Reorganizing Microsoft ... he's starting with the chairs"

    2. Re:chair jokes by redneckmother · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Ballmer also wants to knock down the walls"

      Nah, too easy.

      Well, I don't know 'bout that. After all, if there are no walls, why do they need Windows?

    3. Re:chair jokes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And where he wants to put windows in?

      No Walls, no Windows...

      What an idiot...

    4. Re:chair jokes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Maybe MS is doing the same thing as BlackBerry?
      BlackBerry's "engineering culture shift" has folks moving into "open concept collaboration spaces."
      These consist of 6x6 desks arranged in a quad facing inwards, so you're always staring at 3 other people. The workspace dividers are 6" high, no shelves, no personal space. Chairs are back-to-back, so if you and Joe lean back at the same time you'll concuss each other.
      Employees are being instructed to not voice their opinions on the move or they'll face discipline. I have heard everyone is very excited and energized by the new collaborative environment that's being shoved down their throats.

    5. Re:chair jokes by Adriax · · Score: 4, Funny

      Brings forth the mental image of Ballmer looking critically while interns strain to hold up a couch, saying "Two inches to the left. Hrm, ok, now two inches to the right. Now another two inches to the left..." for an hour before having them set the couch back down exactly where it was.

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    6. Re:chair jokes by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 2

      Some Feng Shui will help Microsoft's energy flow.

    7. Re:chair jokes by scottbomb · · Score: 5, Funny

      They've been quite busy destroying Windows so they will no longer be needed. Tearing down walls is just the next logical step.

    8. Re:chair jokes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Are you saying that they will re-introduce _NSAKEY?

    9. Re:chair jokes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ah HAH...so THAT is how the new touch based interface is actually useful!

    10. Re:chair jokes by dcollins · · Score: 1

      Or becoming enraged and telling them to flip it out the window. (His back's not as good as it used to be.)

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    11. Re:chair jokes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      knocking down walls, with chairs.

      captcha: bandaged

    12. Re:chair jokes by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      I have heard everyone is very excited and energized by the new collaborative environment

      So that's why I'm seeing BlackBerry employee's resumes? Good to know.

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    13. Re:chair jokes by steelfood · · Score: 1

      I understand throwing things around can be a really effective method of punching holes in walls and destroying windows. Things like say, chairs for example.

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    14. Re:chair jokes by ajlitt · · Score: 1

      Bings forth the mental image of Ballmer looking critically while interns strain to hold up a couch, saying "Two inches to the left. Hrm, ok, now two inches to the right. Now another two inches to the left..." for an hour before having them set the couch back down exactly where it was.

      FTFY.

    15. Re:chair jokes by ArmchairGeneral · · Score: 1

      And he would be sitting on that couch the entire time...

    16. Re:chair jokes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To put a space between the doors.

    17. Re:chair jokes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      After all, if there are no walls, why do they need Windows?

      On top of that, no walls also means no Gates.

    18. Re:chair jokes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      captcha: bandaged

      Nobody gives a fuck about your goddamned captcha.

    19. Re:chair jokes by Fab774 · · Score: 1

      1998 called.. They want their joke back.

  5. Not exactly the smartest... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...thing to do. The last time a bunch of people were clumped together under a single umbrella, the ship hit an iceberg.

    On the other hand, the stock price seemed to do well on the details of the reorg...I'm sure it would have gone another point higher if Ballmer had left. Sadly, the shareholders will have to do without that extra buck-o-share. :\

  6. We know what that means? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    More tablet interfaces on the PC, more attempts to lock on the tablet as TV, more stupidity around attempting to turn a Gaming Console into a Media Center that replaces the tablet, the PC and everything else.

    Or does he surprise us? Nope. He won't. We have seen what the plan with Windows 8 and instead of understanding that move was stupid they are going to attempt to force it in with all the power they can muster.

    1. Re:We know what that means? by plover · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The memo specifically called out Office365 and Azure, which is the foundation of their plans to extract an annual tithe from all the copies of Office in the world.

      They've been seeing this day come for over a decade, and it's been their number one concern. How do they keep selling something that isn't improving as much as its price tag might suggest? Office 2010 had only one real competitor, Office 2007, which in turn had only Office 2003 to beat. Since Microsoft has turned the corner on code quality, their latest products are so well written that the users have stopped clamoring for a not-broken version. They aren't putting out an Office 2013 because even their thickest users no longer see any value in upgrading.

      The thing Microsoft believes users really want these days is multiple-device integration and someone else to manage their systems. Users want their documents at home, at school, on the road, at the office, and on their phone (specifically on their iPhones and Androids, screw you Windows phone.) And they don't want to back up their stuff any more, they'll pay someone else to back up their stuff. This move lets them give away Office for free, because they get to collect the rent on your files forever.

      Oh, and did we tell you what happens if you stop paying? Nahh...

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    2. Re:We know what that means? by modmans2ndcoming · · Score: 0

      More tablet interfaces on the PC

      Not Really

      more attempts to lock on the tablet as TV

      That is where TV in general is going

      more stupidity around attempting to turn a Gaming Console into a Media Center

      Not Stupid

      that replaces the tablet, the PC and everything else

      Not happening.

  7. Sooo.. when is Mr. Ballmer leaving? by QuietLagoon · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Microsoft's Board of Directors need to fix the root cause of Microsoft's problems.

    .
    Unless and until Mr. Ballmer is shown the door, he will just continue re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic, and Microsoft will continue its slow voyage to the bottom...

    1. Re:Sooo.. when is Mr. Ballmer leaving? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      you mean c:\ cause

    2. Re:Sooo.. when is Mr. Ballmer leaving? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ballmer will continue to make sure the chairs only seat yes men and others that are wise enough to incorporate Ballmer's "vision" into their proposals. At MS anything else is management suicide.

      Ballmer will leave at some distant date after he damages MS beyond repair. Of course, his vision may be the right one, His implementation sucks, however,

    3. Re:Sooo.. when is Mr. Ballmer leaving? by spd_rcr · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Hard to get rid of a guy who's fired or run-off all his potential replacements.

      The big omission I noticed in the article was any mention of changes to the annual review process. Their current curved review approach does no encourage cooperation between employees, much less between divisions. The one-team approach needs to be supported from the bottom up, not just dictated from the top down.

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    4. Re:Sooo.. when is Mr. Ballmer leaving? by Capt.DrumkenBum · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think they should outsource the CEO job. I hear Carly Fiorina is looking for a new challenge. :)

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    5. Re:Sooo.. when is Mr. Ballmer leaving? by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 1

      If only I had mod points.

    6. Re:Sooo.. when is Mr. Ballmer leaving? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      he will just continue re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic
      But I don't know any person better than him at re-arranging the chairs.

    7. Re:Sooo.. when is Mr. Ballmer leaving? by just_a_monkey · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't worry. Surely Microsoft is Too Big To Fail.

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    8. Re:Sooo.. when is Mr. Ballmer leaving? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is, who will innovate for a meager paycheck, when they can do exceedingly much better starting on their own?
      Microsoft is a dinosaur. They can keep buying up their superior competition, but they just can't innovate anymore.

      To its advantage, Microsoft is a central hub, and making it more holistic makes alot of sense, if they just get their role as integrator right.
      In that segment, Microsoft does not really have alot of competition. Never really has.
      Apple could offer some, but never actually started a culture of innovation, just hero-worship, which ends badly when the hero passes away.

    9. Re:Sooo.. when is Mr. Ballmer leaving? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    10. Re:Sooo.. when is Mr. Ballmer leaving? by dkleinsc · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Hard to get rid of a guy who's fired or run-off all his potential replacements.

      Really? I can think of a guy who could credibly take over without any difficulties if he wanted to, some fellow named Bill Gates.

      And I should point out that in most corporations the purpose of a re-org is not to actually improve the running of the company, it's to create an opportunity for someone further up the food chain to reward buddies and punish enemies. I wouldn't be surprised if the point of this re-org was to run off potential replacements.

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    11. Re:Sooo.. when is Mr. Ballmer leaving? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Microsoft = FAIL, size notwithstanding.

    12. Re:Sooo.. when is Mr. Ballmer leaving? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would picture Darl McBride as being the one that could ride this puppy all the way into the ground.

    13. Re:Sooo.. when is Mr. Ballmer leaving? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wouldn't worry. Surely Microsoft is Too Big To Abort Retry Fail.

    14. Re:Sooo.. when is Mr. Ballmer leaving? by graphius · · Score: 1

      This is the most scary thing I have read all day...

    15. Re:Sooo.. when is Mr. Ballmer leaving? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The best fix for MS is to reassign Ballmer to a more meaningfull position, perhaps one that is not at MS. I'm considering having a voodoo doll of Ballmer so I could stick a pin in it each day untill every Win8 user gets a free upgrade offer for Win7.

    16. Re:Sooo.. when is Mr. Ballmer leaving? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can think of a guy who could credibly take over without any difficulties if he wanted to, some fellow named Bill Gates.

      From an old /. discussion:

      Starring Bill Gates as Himself (Score:4, Interesting)
      by FatLittleMonkey (1341387) on Friday July 01, @08:19AM (#36632230)
      I wonder what would happen to Microsoft's share price if Gates himself stepped back into the role?

      Re:Starring Bill Gates as Himself (Score:1)
      by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 01, @08:42AM (#36632400)
      The same thing what happened to Micheal Schumacher as he returned to F1 ? (aka. disaster)

      Re:Starring Bill Gates as Himself (Score:2)
      by rbrausse (1319883) on Friday July 01, @08:49AM (#36632462)
      it worked for Apple, you can find existing examples for every possible outcome (rule 34 of business-leadership :))

      Re:Starring Bill Gates as Himself (Score:2)
      by Machtyn (759119) on Friday July 01, @09:28AM (#36632780) Homepage
      Yes, but where does this rule fall in the Ferengi Rules of Acquisition?

    17. Re:Sooo.. when is Mr. Ballmer leaving? by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      Actually he means the Administrator cause.

    18. Re:Sooo.. when is Mr. Ballmer leaving? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hard to get rid of a guy who's fired or run-off all his potential replacements.

      I think this is what you call "Job Security."

      I kid i kid, but in all honesty. Ballmer is one of the most brilliant dumb people out there.

    19. Re:Sooo.. when is Mr. Ballmer leaving? by JDG1980 · · Score: 2

      The problem is, who will innovate for a meager paycheck, when they can do exceedingly much better starting on their own?

      But that's just it – Microsoft doesn't need innovation. They need steady, non-disruptive, incremental improvement of the solid products they already have (Windows 7, Office, Exchange Server, etc.)

      If Ballmer wants to innovate then he should leave MS and begin his own startup. Business and professional users don't need or want innovation; they want their user training to remain valuable and their legacy systems to keep working, and for upgrades to not break stuff.

    20. Re:Sooo.. when is Mr. Ballmer leaving? by turgid · · Score: 1

      They should send him to Xerox to help it on the downward trajectory Ursula put it on.

    21. Re:Sooo.. when is Mr. Ballmer leaving? by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2

      I wouldn't worry. Surely Microsoft is Too Big To Abort Retry Fail.

      You forgot ignore.

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    22. Re:Sooo.. when is Mr. Ballmer leaving? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From an old /. discussion:

      Thanks for that humourless waste of time.

    23. Re: Sooo.. when is Mr. Ballmer leaving? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, he doesn't.

      root as in the directory, not the user.

    24. Re:Sooo.. when is Mr. Ballmer leaving? by Common+Joe · · Score: 1

      The big omission I noticed in the article was any mention of changes to the annual review process.

      He's very heavy on the management speak too. There was certainly no omission of that. I skimmed parts and read parts of the email he sent out. Yeah, there are some specifics, but ultimately, this email does not inspire me at all. I can't imagine it inspires any of the "little guys" at Microsoft either.

  8. They can start ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They can start by firing Ballmer. That's the only reorganization they need.

  9. Ignoring customers is not a winning strategy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Unless you are Apple.

    1. Re:Ignoring customers is not a winning strategy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Apple does not ignore customers; it leads them.

    2. Re:Ignoring customers is not a winning strategy. by Nerdfest · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You don't lead customers, you lead followers.

    3. Re:Ignoring customers is not a winning strategy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't lead customers, you lead followers.

      You do realize these are Apple customers we're talking about here?

    4. Re:Ignoring customers is not a winning strategy. by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 1, Funny

      Like plantation owners led slaves.

    5. Re:Ignoring customers is not a winning strategy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      The way Apple does it only works for religions.

      And religions only work with morons. ... OK, I see your point. ;)

    6. Re:Ignoring customers is not a winning strategy. by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Which is why Apple's strategy works so well for them, but won't work for Microsoft. Apple has followers, Microsoft has customers.

    7. Re:Ignoring customers is not a winning strategy. by istartedi · · Score: 2

      Yes it is. We've been feeding cats for thousands of years.

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    8. Re:Ignoring customers is not a winning strategy. by roman_mir · · Score: 0

      Ignoring your customers/followers works for gods, so that's what Apple has become apparently.

    9. Re:Ignoring customers is not a winning strategy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple's "customers" are all experiencing Stockholm Syndrome.

    10. Re:Ignoring customers is not a winning strategy. by fascismforthepeople · · Score: 1

      It could also be described as dictating to the customers what they want, more so than ignoring their requests. This works well when your customers only request more of whatever you produce regardless of whether or not it is something they have a need / use for. This indeed works well for gods, as your own god has demonstrated by the way that you endlessly consume his product and insist it is the only product anyone needs.

  10. Sounds like a plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Fantastic, because what I really need from Microsoft is more synergy between my office applications and the Xbox.

    1. Re:Sounds like a plan by zlives · · Score: 5, Funny

      you mean you are not happy with the xbox interface on your datacenter server

    2. Re:Sounds like a plan by ragefan · · Score: 5, Funny

      you mean you are not happy with the xbox interface on your datacenter server

      I know won't be happy until I can log in to my servers by flipping off my laptop's webcam and screaming: "BOOM! Headshot!!11!!!!"

    3. Re:Sounds like a plan by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, Windows 8 is such a train wreck because they wanted to exploit the "synergy" between your PC, tablet and phone - even if/though your tablet runs iOS and your phone runs Android. This "re-org" is just more of the same kind of thinking.

    4. Re:Sounds like a plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know you meant to be funny, but a while ago I saw on neogaf that MS has indeed registered domains seemingly related to xbox usage for small offices...

    5. Re:Sounds like a plan by kawabago · · Score: 1

      The purpose is to streamline Microsoft so it can fail at only one thing at a time.

    6. Re:Sounds like a plan by avandesande · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Having the SSRS/SQL Server team have their package work in VS 2010 would have been a start....

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      love is just extroverted narcissism
    7. Re:Sounds like a plan by firex726 · · Score: 2

      But I like programming using my Xbox controller!
      I can tighten up ghr graphics on level 3 so easily.

    8. Re:Sounds like a plan by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      I'd be happy with more synergy between my office applications, and my office applications. Can we start there first?

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    9. Re:Sounds like a plan by lgw · · Score: 5, Insightful

      exploit the "synergy" between your PC, tablet and phone

      That is a great idea IMO, they just got it backwards. Dev tools that would let me write against one system library and have something that runs with a device-appropriate UI on PCs, phones, and consoles? Huge win. Forcing the same UI on all, but having different system libraries for each? Not so much.

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    10. Re:Sounds like a plan by Taelron · · Score: 4, Funny

      I can see it now, Server Achievements 1 week uptime Achievement 10 Deployed Server Achievement 1 month without critical outage achievement

    11. Re:Sounds like a plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean like iOS?

    12. Re:Sounds like a plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL, igw just invented java. The GUI system to end all gui systems that found its place as a business logic subsystem.

    13. Re:Sounds like a plan by chuckinator · · Score: 1

      You just described Unity3d. Too bad Javascript is a steaming pile.

    14. Re:Sounds like a plan by nytes · · Score: 2

      I waved goodby to a coworker and the server deleted the entire Users directory.

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    15. Re:Sounds like a plan by Bremic · · Score: 1

      When your SQL server and Sharepoint require all your users to have an X-Box sitting on their desk with a camera pointed at them and recording all your conversations... that's when MS will consider themselves the winners.

    16. Re:Sounds like a plan by Dave+Bohl · · Score: 1

      I don't know if that "11" part of the password was intentional, or if you just forgot to hold down the shift key when typing more exclamation points, but I laughed pretty hard right there. "It used to just be 'BOOM Headshot', but now they make you add number..." (from the Hangover).

    17. Re:Sounds like a plan by MyHair · · Score: 1

      Given that Server 2012 has a Metro window (which BTW is notably similar to the last few Xbox UI updates) instead of a start window I don't doubt you'll see that "synergy".

    18. Re:Sounds like a plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can see it now, Server Achievements 1 week uptime Achievement 10 Deployed Server Achievement 1 month without critical outage achievement

      Ugh, my universe comes with insufficient mod points for this comment..

    19. Re:Sounds like a plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PSDoom lets you kill server processes though headshots or any other non-drinkable shots. Sometimes they even kill each other for you for free!

      http://psdoom.sourceforge.net/

  11. Fire your self ballmer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    .. that would be a good start. He is the one running the company into the ground with fiascos like the metro-shit interface and then adding start button again, restrictive drm, the windows phone failure, RT tablet failure. Don't blame organization or engineering for that!

    Its like crashing your car a few times and then blaming the manufacturer.

  12. Well, this'll be amusing by bunhed · · Score: 3, Funny

    I distinctly hear the sound of swirling water

  13. In the immortal words of Scooby Doo... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Ruh Roh"

  14. What else did you expect? by h4rr4r · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Ballmer wants this 'one company' approach to extend how Microsoft handles its advertising, marketing and consumer-service operations.

    Ballmer showing what parts of the company he thinks are important is what this looks like to me.

    I rag on MS a ton, sometimes unfairly, but even they don't deserve to be stuck with Ballmer.

    1. Re:What else did you expect? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Which is entirely what Kinect is being packed into the Xbone.

      It's no secret from their own press releases and some of the patents they've filed, they want to use Kinect to provide metrics on individual homes that could never have been provided before. How many people are in the room? For how long? Were they the same as the last time or unique, were they smiling while the ad was playing, were they looking toward the TV, so on and so forth... That's the kind of raw statistics that advertisers would droll over, and exactly why Ballmer's "triad" of reorganization is entirely advertising related. "Advertising, marketing and consumer-service operations." Boiled down into plain English that basically reads, "advertising, advertising and offering services to consumers that are paid for by advertising."

      I'm seriously hoping he reorganizes the company out of existence this time, leaving him in charge for this long I think they deserve a crash-and-burn like Windows 8. The problem is that people are still essentially forced to pay their $300 for a license when they buy a new PC... Microsoft might deserve a disaster of an OS but we certainly don't.

    2. Re:What else did you expect? by garett_spencley · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Ballmer might be a horrible CEO (I don't really care enough to know), but you would think a CEO should have some idea of what parts of the company are "important", and "important" should not be a matter of opinion, but of objective profit measurement.

      Books have been written about why companies that focus do better than companies that try to get their hands into everything. PepsiCo owns everything from Frito-Lay to KFC to East Side Marios restaurants, but both Coca Cola and McDonald's each have PepsiCo beat in terms of net asset value despite each corporation focusing tightly on only beverages or a single fast food chain.

      It's not against anyone's best interests for Microsoft to cut the fat and sell off divisions and brands that aren't integral to it's core focus. What the core focus is, if it has one, I don't know. My guess is it should probably be Windows and related products like Office. XBox should at the very least drop the Microsoft brand and be treated as a separate company, if not actually spun into a completely separate company. There's really no reason not to. The shareholders can spin off divisions or brands held by Microsoft corp into completely new companies and still retain ownership in those new companies. They would just elect a new Presidents for those new corps, hire a new executive team (preferably by promoting experts within those divisions who know what they're doing), and let them be run as tightly focused companies that don't need to compete for capital and resources with all of the other divisions under the currently bloated umbrella corp that is Microsoft. The shareholders continue to profit from their holdings as long as the new company is profitable, and the employees working in those divisions benefit from working for a company that is dedicated solely to achieving the success of the products they actually work on, rather than being treated "unimportant" compared to the other divisions (i.e: no more infighting). As long as there is any hope for those products they stand to do much better as stand-alone companies.

      Another reason defocused companies are at a disadvantage is that often they need to sell to their competitors. Pepsi actually outsells Coca Cola in super markets, but in restaurants Coca Coca destroys them, and as a result Coca Cola wins in terms of net profits. The reason is because McDonald's and others don't want to buy from PepsiCo when Pepsi owns Taco Bell, KFC and other competitors.

  15. Reorg Strategy by zlives · · Score: 5, Interesting

    based on Marketing department... WINNNNing

    1. Re:Reorg Strategy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obviously, they were the best to sell the idea of their importance.

  16. Buh-bye, Microsoft! by Phoenix666 · · Score: 0, Troll

    I spent an hour transitioning my brother-in-law from Windows 8 to Ubuntu on Sunday. His non-functioning, brand-new desktop went to lightening fast like that. Suddenly he could play all the games Windows 8 couldn't. He could use Steam, and interact with the OS and not have it hang for a minute with every click. I have never encountered such a grateful human in a like situation in 15 years.

    Microsoft has stumbled very, very badly, and it is the moment for those of us who champion FOSS to pounce. If you know FOSS, do what you can now to liberate all those in your life who still beat on the ramparts of the Walled Garden. It might be the most significant thing you can do to advance the cause of freedom in your life.

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    1. Re:Buh-bye, Microsoft! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think Linux and Ubuntu are at the point where they can be used by the average user without any difficulties whatsoever for everyday tasks. The Linux kernel continues to make huge advances in hardware support, to the point where I don't even worry about new hardware I buy being supported. I just assume it will, and 99% of the time it just works. The other 1% of the time I'm able to provide some hack that I get off google to get it to work. That's about where Windows was when it got widespread adoption in the mid 90s. I remember having to hack inf files or mess with irq settings to get hardware to work back then (even PCI hardware). Linux in its current state is lightyears beyond that, and is on par with Windows 7 in terms of usability. In my book it suprasses Windows 8, and I'd wager that anyone who gave it a serious look would come to the same conclusion.

      I echo the sentiment that now is the time for FOSS to take the lead, and those of us who have been immersed in it for many years need to help others into this wonderful world.

    2. Re:Buh-bye, Microsoft! by cyber-vandal · · Score: 5, Informative

      I found a quicker fix for my dad's poorly performing new laptop. I removed the Norton virus. I did something similar with McAfee for a friend when it decided that the best way to protect her from the dangers of the internet was to disable her networking stack.

    3. Re:Buh-bye, Microsoft! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I did something similar with McAfee for a friend when it decided that the best way to protect her from the dangers of the internet was to disable her networking stack.

      Well... you've gotta admit, it has a point there...

    4. Re:Buh-bye, Microsoft! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I would think that going from Windows to Linux would cause most Steam games to no longer work. Why didn't you fix Windows rather than crippling it as a gaming machine?

    5. Re:Buh-bye, Microsoft! by ubersoldat2k7 · · Score: 2

      If thousands of Microsoft employees can't do that, why should I even try to fix that mess?

    6. Re:Buh-bye, Microsoft! by Vanderhoth · · Score: 2

      Because Windows 8 cripples it as a gaming machine, Ubuntu is a step up. My younger brother just bought a new machine with Windows 8 on it and spent a weekend trying to get several games to preform, some from steam some he has physical media for. It didn't work so he formatted it and against my advice put a pirated version of windows 7 on. It seems to be work fine now, but if he has any further issues he won't be able to return it with a pirated windows 7 OS.Ubuntu is a great alternative to windows 8. I have it running on my machine and have great success getting all my the Linux games running and almost all of my non-linux games run under wine. Besides more and more gaming companies and publishers are writing games for Linux.

      Also we're not personal tech support for Microsoft. I use to do the tech support thing for friends and family, but it's a lose lose for me. You fix their machine and the next time something breaks, because of their bad habits or a windows update, it's your fault and you end up having to do more support. Since Win8 I refuse to help, If anyone want's me to do tech support for them they get a Linux distro, and since installing it for my in-laws, 2 out of 4 siblings and my wife I haven't been asked to fix anything. At first I was nervous that it'd be too much of a change for them, but I see my in-laws at least once a month, both love Ubuntu and have no problems with it.

    7. Re:Buh-bye, Microsoft! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are doing God's work, sir. I've talked a half-dozen people into using Xubuntu as an OS replacement for no longer supported XP-era hardware, and so far the response has been very positive. Keep it up!

    8. Re:Buh-bye, Microsoft! by lgw · · Score: 1

      What are you talking about? The only consumer Windows OS release that has ever broken a lot of games was Vista. (Win2000 wouldn't run a lot of Win95 games, but it wasn't sold as a "home" OS). I prefer the Win7 UI, but I haven't heard of Steam games breaking on Win8.

      Steam for Linux, OTOH, while a cool concept, has no back catalog of games. It's a wasteland right now. Newer "indie" games (does that even mean anything any more?) seem to be showing an interest, which is nice, and it might snowball in years to come, but there's so little there now.

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      Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
    9. Re:Buh-bye, Microsoft! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would think that going from Windows to Linux would cause most Steam games to no longer work. Why didn't you fix Windows rather than crippling it as a gaming machine?

      There's a key difference between "most Steam games" and "Steam games the GP's brother-in-law wants to play". I can say with certainty that the lineup of games that don't have Linux ports that I want to play is growing thinner and thinner as time goes on.

      Of course, a lot of that might be my lack of interest in Call of Battlefield of Duty of War or whatever it is, but your mileage may vary.

    10. Re:Buh-bye, Microsoft! by Artea · · Score: 1

      If the hardware struggles to just run the OS, I think "gaming machine" is the wrong way to describe it. In which case, running the few linux compatible games made available on steam (lots of multi-platorm low spec indie games,) would probably be the upper boundary anyway.

      More realistically it was a low spec machine with a ton of bloatware from the OEM, had he done a clean install of the OS, it would have likely run fine.

  17. Door Wide Open by Herkum01 · · Score: 5, Funny

    If this Dilbert cartoon does not hit the nail on the head, I don't know what does.

    1. Re:Door Wide Open by Curupira · · Score: 5, Funny

      Perhaps this one.

    2. Re:Door Wide Open by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From The Dilbert Principle:
      "Managers are like cats in a litter box. They instinctively shuffle things around to conceal what they've done."

    3. Re:Door Wide Open by unique_parrot · · Score: 1
  18. Metro mother/Ribbon champion now in charge of Xbox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Julie Larson-Green, also in charge of Surface and games.

    Mother of Metro.

    Champion of Ribbon.

  19. I for one am glad by zlives · · Score: 5, Funny

    what SQL server needs is more tiles

    1. Re:I for one am glad by Cid+Highwind · · Score: 5, Funny

      ...and more marketing synergies with other exciting products and services in the Microsoft ecosystem!

      Boring, old T-SQL: "SELECT USER_ID FROM USERS..."
      New dialect coming in SQL Server 2014: "BING USER_ID FROM USERS..."

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    2. Re:I for one am glad by ezrec · · Score: 1

      It'll definitely get better pr0n results than 'SELECT ...'....

    3. Re:I for one am glad by steelfood · · Score: 1

      And new to SQL Server 2014R2, advertisements!

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  20. Going down by lesincompetent · · Score: 2

    The following image came to my mind: a huge zeppelin, quickly losing height, desperately but uselessly releasing ballast: you know - and they know - it is doomed to crash and you keep staring at it waiting for it to finally meet its doom. People inside are panicking, restlessly shuffling around, trying their best to save their asses in the upcoming crash.

    1. Re:Going down by 1s44c · · Score: 1

      If there are any chairs in that zeppelin Ballmer is the right man for the job.

  21. Good by hsmith · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Most of the posts are hate, but good for Microsoft. It is a step in the right direction. Anyone who works/worked there will tell you the organization is very segregated. Business units fight one another and things aren't done in a cohesive manner.

    But, Apple is very segregated as well and they seem to do alright. Perhaps it is just the culture at Microsoft that is the issue.

    Perhaps they will finally end their silly employee review process as well - as people I know at MS absolutely hate it.

    1. Re:Good by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      MS has resembled a kingdom of fiefdoms more than anything else. Certainly their cutthroat review process did not help in these matters. Apple is very segregated but everyone always knew that Jobs was in charge when it came to product decisions. With Jobs gone, maybe Ive has taken his place as final arbiter of products.

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    2. Re:Good by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 2

      Most of the posts are hate

      Microsoft wanted a monopoly of the desktop OS, and they got it.

      Well, with that monopoly, they also get a monopoly of hate. They just need to accept that. And I don't think that they really mind, as long as all those PCs are shipping with Windows already installed.

      Now . . . if folks switched from Microsoft PCs to Android devices . . . that might hurt their feelings a bit . . .

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    3. Re:Good by 1s44c · · Score: 2

      I've seen the same kind of problems in other huge companies. You end up with 3 or 4 departments doing the same work as yours but it's impossible to find or contact them to start some cooperation with each other. If you ask anyone high up enough to have any kind of overview of what department does what it turns out they don't know anything more than the high level overview you can get from the intranet.

      Ballmer is doing good by trying to fix Microsoft in this way but it won't work because he is a chair throwing monkey and MS is now too stale to beat Apple at anything.

    4. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    5. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I've been working with computers since the early 1970s. I've worked on mainframes, minis, micros, tablets, FPGAs, everything. I don't (and didn't) dislike Microsoft for their monopoly, I HATED Microsoft for the flaky, faulty, poorly-designed and apparently untested software they extorted their customers ( AKA "collateral damage") into buying. Microsoft had the money, the personnel, and the time to correctly do software, but they didn't and I have far too many professional scars on my body due to their "we don't care, we're Microsoft" attitude toward QA and product release.

      Remember how "well" Windows 95 worked when it came out? No excuse for releasing that buggy POS. Windows NT is known by all the Spanish-speaking IT pros I know as "Windows Non Terminado", that is, "Windows Not Finished". No excuse for releasing that buggy POS, either. MS Word almost destroyed my career as a tech writer when it turned out that almost none of what Windows promised me it could do was possible (I did a lot of research and discussion with MS sales and tech reps before committing the department to the tool); what they promised was either broken in the software or simply not possible. There is no way to excuse or explain away an OS that will blow up two, three, four, etc. times a day for no apparent reason (and through no fault of the operator).

      It isn't the monopoly I hate (although I'm generally against them), it's the abuse the entire computer world took from MS. If MS had properly designed, built, and tested their SW before release, imagine how much further along humans could be because of all the TIME WE WOULDN'T HAVE WASTED ON THEIR BUGGY CRAP.

      can't make this up: captcha is "impede"

    6. Re:Good by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I agree with you, in principle. I mean, they've clearly been doing this wrong and props to them for recognizing that and trying to fix it. But did you catch the part about the person liable for Windows Phone being set to lead the new Operating System Engineering Group?

      If you had any hopes of Metro going away, any at all, abandon them now.

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    7. Re:Good by hsmith · · Score: 1

      I've dealt with Apple. Divisions don't communicate with one another. It is terribly silo'd.

    8. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, they can now jam it on servers and kill Microsoft's dominance in the back-end too.

    9. Re:Good by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1
      --
      Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
    10. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been working with computers since the early 1970s.

      I totally agree with everything you say. I do however have this one addendum to add:

      can't make this up: captcha is "impede"

      Nobody gives a fuck about your goddamned captcha.

  22. Developer collaboration by jeff.keenan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If they want the "engineering culture" to "facilitate collaboration across the company", they can start by getting rid of the Stack Rank review process. Why would I want to collaborate with someone who I'm competing for a top spot on the review chart with?

    1. Re:Developer collaboration by Princeofcups · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If they want the "engineering culture" to "facilitate collaboration across the company", they can start by getting rid of the Stack Rank review process. Why would I want to collaborate with someone who I'm competing for a top spot on the review chart with?

      Never. Ballmer and similar sociopaths have no concept of cooperation. They get to where they are by back stabbing and brown nosing, and expect everyone else to do the same. The strong survive, and the rest are so much offal to be thrown away.

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    2. Re:Developer collaboration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They get to where they are by back stabbing and brown nosing, and expect everyone else to do the same.

      You give him too much credit. I think he just got there by accident.

  23. Devices and services? by SoupGuru · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I know it's popular to predict doom and gloom for Microsoft but I really don't understand what Balmer is thinking.

    If they are transitioning to a devices and services company that kind of means they are transitioning away from the things that have made them successful.

    I'm actually kind of giddy at the thought of some real competition in the corporate arena, seeing as how Microsoft continues to drop the ball.

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    1. Re:Devices and services? by Princeofcups · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If they are transitioning to a devices and services company that kind of means they are transitioning away from the things that have made them successful.

      By gaining a monopoly through the good graces of IBM, backstabbing every partner along the way, and paying off half of congress to keep them there? That's how Microsoft became successful. Or has this all been wiped from our collective memories?

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  24. Go buy a boat and retire. by Picass0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Knocking down the silos in an organization is generally a good thing. That said I doubt Ballmer knows what to do next. The smartest thing he could do is choose a successor.

    Ballmer doesn't have vision. He doesn't understand the mobile market. Windows 8 was a disaster and MS continues to lose ground to Apple. The introduction of XBoxOne couldn't have been worse - great hardware crippled by licensing BS. Surface is overpriced and underselling next to Ipad and Android tablets.

    I'm only suprised he hasn't been forced out.

    1. Re:Go buy a boat and retire. by Bieeanda · · Score: 2

      He hasn't been forced out because they know he's learned to wield two chairs, Florentine style.

    2. Re:Go buy a boat and retire. by Picass0 · · Score: 1

      I left out how most enterprises are STILL USING XP because Vista, 7 and 8 are all considered consumer grade operating systems by IT people.

    3. Re:Go buy a boat and retire. by maroberts · · Score: 2

      I left out how most enterprises are STILL USING XP because Vista, 7 and 8 are all considered consumer grade operating systems by IT people.

      In fairness, 7 is quite a good product. Maybe its like Star Trek in reverse; only odd numbered releases are any good.

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    4. Re:Go buy a boat and retire. by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

      HA! Like MS can keep their shit together and keep the same naming scheme long enough to get to Windows 9.

      The marketers have their talons in DEEP into MS culture.
      Win95 -> Win98 ->Win2000
      WinMe -> WinXp
      Vista
      Win7 -> Win8

      They do an epically bad job of keeping a naming scheme.

      But you're absolutely right in that every other version of Windows is shit. They have a pattern of introducing universally hated changes in one version, making everyone suffer, and then 3 years later the next version comes out. It still has the same things but this time comes with more lube. Or people have just gotten used to it by then.

      And since the last version was universally hated, they do their damned best to distance themselves from the monstrosity and they get a new name.

      I have no idea how they're going to lube up the metro interface in the WinBALMERSSTILLHERESUCKERS release.

    5. Re:Go buy a boat and retire. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I left out how most enterprises are STILL USING XP because Vista, 7 and 8 are all considered consumer grade operating systems by IT people.

      I think the real question is why do IT people consider XP not a consumer grade operating system?

    6. Re:Go buy a boat and retire. by Picass0 · · Score: 2

      Most people run 7 because not because they wanted to (they skipped Vista) but they were forced to by XP's end of life.

      I imagine man users didn't know what to expect. Microsoft has the worst advertising and promotion I can think of. For instance why would people in the market for a tablet buy a Surface? All they've seen in the advertisements is hipster morons dancing on a table in a confrence room. No product knowledge in the advert.

      Apple runs an assortment of campaigns. Some inform, others are touchy-feely. The best ones put the camera right on the device and quickly demonstrate the ease of use of a single app or function. Even the Mac vs/ PC ads usually conveyed something useful.

      Now Google is in the consumer hardware market with the Nexus tablets and Chromebooks. The tablets are amoung the best in class. the Chromebooks are inexpensive and an attractive alternatives to MS and PC laptops. If you're not a gamer and just want bread and butter features it's a big savings.

      MS under Ballmer doesn't compete. They expect you to care enough to inform yourself. The market shows most people do not.

    7. Re:Go buy a boat and retire. by Comrade+Ogilvy · · Score: 1

      Agreed. I may personally dislike MS, but 7 has a number of incremental improvements over XP and seems solid enough overall. It "bluescreens" and applications crash less than other versions of Windows.

    8. Re:Go buy a boat and retire. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ballmer has a Harvard math/econ undergraduate degree and is an MBA drop-out. Microsoft under Ballmer is like Apple under Sculley.

    9. Re:Go buy a boat and retire. by Valdier · · Score: 2

      That isn't the succession of Windows Naming btw... You may not have been around for it all though.

      MS-DOS 1.25, 2.0, Version 2.1, Version 2.11, 3.0, Version 3.1, 4.0, 5.0, 6.0, 6.2, 6.21, 6.22 (Just major version changes)
      Windows 1, 2, 3, 3.1, 3.11
      Win95 -> Win98 ->WinMe
      NT 3.1, 3.5, 3.51, 4.0, Win 2000, XP, Vista, Windows 7, Windows 8, Windows 8.1 (Windows Server is also in this chain)

      That is the actual OS chain to be accurate... and Win95 and Windows could be argued to be in the DOS chain

    10. Re:Go buy a boat and retire. by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I'm too young for the dos lineage.

      Were the early NT products really consumer-grade? I thought that was more or less server-class.

  25. The names by jones_supa · · Score: 5, Informative

    Operating Systems Engineering Group. Terry Myerson will lead this group, and it will span all our OS work for console, to mobile device, to PC, to back-end systems. The core cloud services for the operating system will be in this group.

    Devices and Studios Engineering Group. Julie Larson-Green will lead this group and will have all hardware development and supply chain from the smallest to the largest devices we build. Julie will also take responsibility for our studios experiences including all games, music, video and other entertainment.

    Applications and Services Engineering Group. Qi Lu will lead broad applications and services core technologies in productivity, communication, search and other information categories.

    Cloud and Enterprise Engineering Group. Satya Nadella will lead development of our back-end technologies like datacenter, database and our specific technologies for enterprise IT scenarios and development tools. He will lead datacenter development, construction and operation.

    Dynamics. Kirill Tatarinov will continue to run Dynamics as is, but his product leaders will dotted line report to Qi Lu, his marketing leader will dotted line report to Tami Reller and his sales leader will dotted line report to the COO group.

    Advanced Strategy and Research Group. Eric Rudder will lead Research, Trustworthy Computing, teams focused on the intersection of technology and policy, and will drive our cross-company looks at key new technology trends.

    Marketing Group. Tami Reller will lead all marketing with the field relationship as is today. Mark Penn will take a broad view of marketing strategy and will lead with Tami the newly centralized advertising and media functions.

    COO. Kevin Turner will continue leading our worldwide sales, field marketing, services, support, and stores as well as IT, licensing and commercial operations.

    Business Development and Evangelism Group. Tony Bates will focus on key partnerships especially our innovation partners (OEMs, silicon vendors, key developers, Yahoo, Nokia, etc.) and our broad work on evangelism and developer outreach. DPE, Corporate Strategy and the business development efforts formerly in the BGs will become part of this new group. OEM will remain in SMSG with Kevin Turner with a dotted line to Tony who will work closely with Nick Parker on key OEM relationships.

    Finance Group. Amy Hood will centralize all product group finance organizations. SMSG finance, which is geographically diffuse, will report to Kevin Turner with a dotted line to Amy.

    Legal and Corporate Affairs Group. Brad Smith will continue as General Counsel with responsibility for the company's legal and corporate affairs and will map his team to the new organization.

    HR Group. Lisa Brummel will lead Human Resources and map her team to the new organization.

    1. Re:The names by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I see they set themselves up to fail. That whole "dotted line" BS.

      -- green led

    2. Re:The names by apcullen · · Score: 1

      What did it used to be and how is this an improvement?

    3. Re:The names by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I for one am not impressed with the plan - seems like a bunch of separate groups to me - maybe this looks like a short list for Ballmer...

      and wtf does any of this mean?

      Dynamics. Kirill Tatarinov will continue to run Dynamics as is, but his product leaders will dotted line report to Qi Lu, his marketing leader will dotted line report to Tami Reller and his sales leader will dotted line report to the COO group.

  26. start with kicking out Ballmer by KernelMuncher · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Any reputable consulting company would start with the suggestion that Ballmer fire himself.

    Microsoft has been technically stagnant for most of the thirteen years since Ballmer took over (which is reflected in the company's flat stock price since 2002). The string of product failures under Ballmer is cringe worthy: Vista, Kin, Zune, Windows 8, Windows phone, Surface, never-ending security problems, etc. Almost every major computing trend during that time (portable music, phones, tablets, social media, etc) under Ballmer has been mishandled. About the only thing the company has done right is the Xbox and I don't think that makes them any money. It's only the legacy of the corporate purchases of the Windows OS and Office that keep the Microsoft going. And that trend was started long before Ballmer ever took office.

    1. Re:start with kicking out Ballmer by RichMan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If they were not MS with a huge pile of cash Xbox would have been a failure. The initial hardware failure rate on shipped product was staggering. A lesser company would have been destroyed by that.

      Xbox should have been a hard lesson that MS management did not know anything about shipping physical units instead of software. Instead they learned "hardware reliabilty is important". They did not learn the marketing and usability stuff that Apple has hands down.

      Microsoft is so big it can bull through mistakes which lead to the Windows 8 "issue". Which is about 3 or more problems all in one.

    2. Re:start with kicking out Ballmer by 1s44c · · Score: 1

      The problems with windows are so deeply set in that there is literally nothing he could have done to really fix the non-stop security problems. Windows already had all the market so there really wasn't anywhere to grow. Gates left when MS really had nowhere to go but down.

      Bullmer may look like a retarded monkey but he didn't do too bad collecting money for bug-ridden and insecure software that by all rights should have been condemned to the scrapheap of history before Gates even left.

    3. Re:start with kicking out Ballmer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Playstation 2 had a much higher hardware failure rate than the Xbox 360 (assuming that's what you're referring to). PS2 ended up going through 14 hardware revisions over its lifetime.

    4. Re:start with kicking out Ballmer by nine-times · · Score: 2

      I wouldn't say that the Xbox was "done right". It still had massive technical problems, forcing recalls. Since announcing the Xbox One, they've reversed many of the decisions that they had made, since those decisions had angered their target audience. Even with those things fixed, I still won't be buying one, even though I'm just the kind of person who buys expensive consoles.

    5. Re:start with kicking out Ballmer by JustNiz · · Score: 2

      >> About the only thing the company has done right is the Xbox

      Um nope. The fiasco with the DRM issue and the new Xbox launch was VERY cringeworthy.

    6. Re:start with kicking out Ballmer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No.

    7. Re:start with kicking out Ballmer by jbeach · · Score: 2

      It's only the legacy of the corporate purchases of the Windows OS and Office that keep the Microsoft going.

      Everything else, but especially this. And the Windows OS has always been given away with little or no visible cost to the consumer, as a delivery system for MS Office. Which means that the MS Office division has ALL the clout, calls ALL the shots, and when something else interesting starts happening elsewhere in the company the MS Office division starts raiding to get control influence over that project, snag all the smart people, and end up scuttling the technology as a threat to their hegemony.

      Probably the only reason Xbox did so well was that its market was in no way a threat to MS Office's power. As a game console, it was entirely unrelated and stepped on no toes, so it was able to actually organically develop.

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    8. Re:start with kicking out Ballmer by H0p313ss · · Score: 1

      I don't completely agree, but you have some valid points.

      What you're overlooking there is in that same time Microsoft has shipped and supported the most popular and most used operating systems in the world, XP and Windows 7 and kept an unrelenting grip on the market for Office products.

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    9. Re:start with kicking out Ballmer by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2

      About the only thing the company has done right is the Xbox and I don't think that makes them any money.

      I don't know if 30% hardware failure rate is "done right". If Xbox was a separate company it would have folded by now. The only thing that kept Xbox in it was MS deep pockets and that Sony bumbled badly too.

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    10. Re:start with kicking out Ballmer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The original Xboxes would have been highly reliable if they only included a fan. I snapped a 3rd party fan onto my original XBox as soon as I plugged it in and it ran fine until I replaced it with an HDMI model this year.

    11. Re:start with kicking out Ballmer by ADRA · · Score: 3, Interesting

      To be fair, I believe I said almost the same thing around 10 years ago. Microsoft will continue to shuttle on with its existing markets and they'll slide into the legacy market much like Mainframes and UNIX are today. The question of what replaces Windows in the long term is still up for debate and frankly they've only stayed as relevant as they are now because nobody's got the apex replacement:

      1. Mac's -- Apple doesn't seem go give a fck about them and only keeps them around so that they get free movie/tv marketing and so that programmers can actually write software for the platforms that they care about. Even if they did decide to push it hard, they're still the insular control freaks that make people run from their platforms at least as often as it attracts.
      2. Linux -- Linux what? The diaspora of hundreds of projects all running in different directions changing paradigms because they feel like it? Yeah, we're boned. I love Linux and use it for real work daily, but this is NOT the replacement until people seriously start collaborating on writing a consistent platform
      3. Android/FirefoxOS/ChromeOS/etc.. -- Sadly if there was any front facing OS strategy that would take out MS for desktops / laptops, it'll probably be one of these, but a lot has to change for these to become the competitive general purpose computing solution.

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    12. Re:start with kicking out Ballmer by Zarhan · · Score: 1

      Xbox should have been a hard lesson that MS management did not know anything about shipping physical units instead of software.

      They shipped Sidewinder game controllers before XBox. And they are *still* one of the best available. I still have my Sidewinder Precision Pro, and it's over 10 years old, and still works like a charm.

      So they definitely knew their hardware, however, apparently it only applied to the controllers...

    13. Re:start with kicking out Ballmer by Spy+Handler · · Score: 2

      About the only thing the company has done right is the Xbox and I don't think that makes them any money.

      You forgot mice. Microsoft still makes a very good mouse, I am using one now and it's my favorite. In fact everyone at the office here likes Microsoft mice better than Lenovo mice. And the rumor is, their Mice division is quite profitable, unlike the Xbox division.

      So what Microsoft should do is fire Ballmer and install the guy in charge of Microsoft Mouse as the new CEO.

    14. Re:start with kicking out Ballmer by Vanderhoth · · Score: 1

      Although I mostly agree with you, the reason MS has kept their market share is less about their software's technical superiority and more because of the underhanded tactics they use.

      Spreading FUD, reputation management, secure boot, OEM installs so every new computer comes with the operating system by default, vendor lock-in as some examples. I can't blame them for it, it's business, but their marketing strategies and ethics are part of the reason they're so despised and what has put them in the current state their in. They've got lots of money so they can drag out their death for a long time, but It'll be a hard fight to get back on top for anything outside of enterprise business, which they're also losing to Linux servers and mobile devices via BYOD.

    15. Re:start with kicking out Ballmer by H0p313ss · · Score: 1

      Although I mostly agree with you, the reason MS has kept their market share is less about their software's technical superiority and more because of the underhanded tactics they use.

      I disagree. After Vista I was highly sceptical, but honestly Win7 is the best end-user operating system I've used. (And I'm typing this on a macbook.)

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    16. Re:start with kicking out Ballmer by Bander · · Score: 1

      Valid comparisons: PS 3 to Xbox 360; PS 2 to Xbox; BMW 3 Series to Mercedes C Class
      Invalid comparisons: PS 2 to Xbox 360; BMW 3 Series to Porsche 911

    17. Re:start with kicking out Ballmer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Sidewinder game controllers

      Yeah, but did MS design and build it or OEM it from somebody (somebody they likely bought out)?

    18. Re:start with kicking out Ballmer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The first two XBoxen, dipshit. The ones that basically defined console gaming..."

      Atari, Nintendo, Sega: Google them, youngster. Console gaming was "basically defined" before you were born.

    19. Re:start with kicking out Ballmer by nojayuk · · Score: 1

      Yup, MSFT's stock ticker has been flat from about 2002 absent the notch in September 2008 when the stock market went into the toilet in unison. Compare that to the rollercoaster dive for AAPL Tim Cook has overseen since he took over from St. Steve but few in the Slashdot crowd are calling for him to be fired and replaced because... ummm, I'll get back to you on that.

      Here's a few names for you -- Carly Fiorina, Steve Ballmer, Steve Jobs, Tim Cook. Two of those four Sooper Geniuses were MBAs, two weren't. Guess which ones.

    20. Re:start with kicking out Ballmer by big_e_1977 · · Score: 1

      And the rumor is, their Mice division is quite profitable, unlike the Xbox division.

      Microsoft finds selling mice highly profitable, yet it is attempting to switch their customers to a desktop interface that is no longer designed for mice. Classic Ballmer move!

    21. Re:start with kicking out Ballmer by tbannist · · Score: 1

      Hmm, have you considered that maybe the first two Xbox version only look "right" in comparison to everything else Microsoft has done wrong?

      Microsoft had a golden opportunity to trounce Sony this generation, instead Sony recovered from a 8 million device deficit and the PS3 has now actually out-sold the Xbox 360. Given a year's head start, and a $100 (or was it $200) price differential, the Xbox 360 still wound up in last place this generation.

      Now, the Xbox 1 (not the XBOne) did set the standard for online console gaming, so they deserve credit for that, but it was a finantial disaster that never actually became profitable.

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    22. Re:start with kicking out Ballmer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Microsoft has been technically stagnant for most of the thirteen years since Ballmer took over

      Well, I've got a killer product idea that I would pay for, and millions of other users would too:

      WINDOWS XP

      Yes, we like it just the way it is, we just want ongoing patches. If microsoft started to charge for a supported, patched XP, they would make billions.

    23. Re:start with kicking out Ballmer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your criticism of Linux is idiotic.

      Computers are general purpose machines, which, among many other things, means that they need not be constrained to a uniform graphical interface. At this point, Linux is the one-and-only system that actually allows the general purpose character to be expressed. Everyone else only attempts to turn the computer into a glorified and standardized typewriter.

      The problem is that the world lacks technically competent human beings that actually understand enough of the rudiments of computation to utilize their general purpose machines to the fullest. The norm is the pathetic "pointer and clicker" who is helplessly dependent upon some standard interface.

    24. Re:start with kicking out Ballmer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We're only at the second envelope.

    25. Re:start with kicking out Ballmer by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      1. Mac's -- Apple doesn't seem go give a fck about them

      ...except that they accounted for about 12% of revenue last quarter, and got a lot of the WWDC keynote time.

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    26. Re:start with kicking out Ballmer by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

      until people seriously start collaborating on writing a consistent platform

      This was supposed to be Ubuntu until they decided to drive off a cliff. The joy of open source though is that they can't take us with them screaming uncontrollably. I mean, they took a lot of people over that ridge with them. And it might be fine out in Unity land, but I don't have to worry about that, I jumped ship to another distro.

    27. Re:start with kicking out Ballmer by mjwx · · Score: 1

      1. Mac's -- Apple doesn't seem go give a fck about them and only keeps them around so that they get free movie/tv marketing and so that programmers can actually write software for the platforms that they care about. Even if they did decide to push it hard, they're still the insular control freaks that make people run from their platforms at least as often as it attracts.
      2. Linux -- Linux what? The diaspora of hundreds of projects all running in different directions changing paradigms because they feel like it? Yeah, we're boned. I love Linux and use it for real work daily, but this is NOT the replacement until people seriously start collaborating on writing a consistent platform
      3. Android/FirefoxOS/ChromeOS/etc.. -- Sadly if there was any front facing OS strategy that would take out MS for desktops / laptops, it'll probably be one of these, but a lot has to change for these to become the competitive general purpose computing solution.

      Due entirely to 1.'s creator, everything people do is now based on a website. Facebook, webmail, document editing and just about everything else most users do, so 3. are now general purpose PC's.

      Apple wanted to make everything an app or web-based. Seeing as apps are too much trouble and too limited everyone went web-based and Apple got what it wanted... Just not the way it wanted. Now competitors only have to provide a web browser (which will ultimately lead to apple's demise and marginalisation in the marketplace).

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  27. Antitrust? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So Ballmer wants to knock down the walls between rthe divisions. But weren't exactly those walls always Microsoft's best defence against antitrust accusations that the applications division was using knowledge about Windows which is not available to the competition?

    1. Re:Antitrust? by WillgasM · · Score: 1

      You're not that likely to get sued for creating a competitive advantage when the company is failing anyway.

  28. So.. by Jawcracker+Fuzz · · Score: 1

    They are going to start using Bitkeeper or what?

  29. * yawns * by tatman · · Score: 1

    Not at the slashdot post but what Ballmer said and executive did. Customers (other than programmers) don't care of the code bases are the same for windows phone, surface and xbox. They don't care if the hardware side has synergies either. They care about cost and functionality.

    This was not about customers as much as trying to alleviate pressure from money managers, fund managers and big investment houses.

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    1. Re:* yawns * by JDG1980 · · Score: 2

      Customers (other than programmers) don't care of the code bases are the same for windows phone, surface and xbox.

      But they do care if the UI is the same. They hate it, as we've seen with Windows 8.

      The problem is that "consolidation" has the potential to help Microsoft, but it hurts customers. Since Microsoft is used to having a monopoly, they don't care. But their monopoly is fraying around the edges, with "cloud" services, smartphones/tablets, and BYOD taking off. They could have kept things going indefinitely if they followed the Raymond Chen route: obsessively focus on backward compatibility, and thus remain the path of least resistance for businesses that buy a ton of licenses. But Ballmer wants to be Steve Jobs, so he's betting big, and in due time it will cost Microsoft everything if they don't reverse course.

  30. More like... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...rearranging the deck chairs. Don't make fun of his methods! Some people slide or carry them around whilst Steve likes to throw them.

  31. Has to be said by 1s44c · · Score: 1

    Ein world, Ein company, Ein Steve Ballmer.

    1. Re:Has to be said by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wir müssen die Microsoft ausrotten.

  32. what happened to the term programs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did anyone else gag when office was referred to as an "App"?

  33. Continuity across platforms by milbournosphere · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Microsoft will consolidate all its major operating systems, including Windows, Windows Phone and the software that powers the Xbox, under Terry Myerson, who handled engineering for only Windows Phone before.

    I wonder if this will lead to any significant rethink of things on the desktop side. Windows 8 has a bit of an identity crisis going on; perhaps Win9 or whatever they decide to call it will solve that problem now that all of the OS design groups are under one tidy grouping.

  34. Better headline: by TBedsaul · · Score: 1

    "Iceberg Reorganizing Titanic"

  35. How will he do it? by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Word Star had more users than the population of Bangladesh, Word Perfect was loved by the secretaries and Lotus 1-2-3 was worshiped by the accountants. Still Microsoft won them all, by hook or crook. Even if it is mostly by crook, it won. It needed employees with intense competitive focus to achieve that. All the people in the early days who had the fire in the belly to make their company succeed have all either burnt out, cashed out, shut out.

    People who are left behind all came of age when Microsoft had almost mythical powers. It could squelch competition by FUD, All it took was an announcement of vaporware and the funding for start-ups who could compete would just evaporate. These guys simply are not capable of competing on a level playing field. And the playing field is tilted against Microsoft now. The earlier era minions of Gates have earned the enmity of vast sections of the computer professionals. And so many of their partners fear them and do not trust them.

    Unless it is something radical like splitting the company into an OS division, a consumer products division, corporate server products division and all competing at full throttle it is not going to work.

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  36. Refusing change in a wold that changed. by goruka · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Nowadays, most of the software industry works together in open technologies that are widely used, like Linux, BSD, Apache, Webkit, Firefox, LLVM, PHP, OpenGL, Freetype, Android, etc. This is one of the reasons about why we've seen so many amazing products come out in such a short time the past decade.

    Microsoft still believes they can do everything by themselves and they are starting to really fall behind. They were never a very efficient company, as their products reached maturity by iterating several years over several versions. Now, instead of accepting that the world has decided to embrace open technologies as foundation to most products, they are desperate to find ways to stay competitive with their current business model, and aggressively go after those who use open technologies to get patent money.

    Why is it so difficult for Ballmer and Gates to admit that they can't compete anymore, no matter how many times they restructure their company? It's one company vs the world at this point.

    1. Re:Refusing change in a wold that changed. by ppanon · · Score: 1

      Why is it so difficult for Ballmer and Gates to admit that they can't compete anymore, no matter how many times they restructure their company? It's one company vs the world at this point.

      Because they've always thought that way. Back in the early days of the Microsoft Network, they thought they could take on the Internet and win. The managers in that division really thought that, because all they had seen up until then was Compuserve and AOL. The organizations which could be their technical competition were small in number and Microsoft could either out-innovate relative giants like IBM and SUN, or else use their bigger warchest to out-market/out-last/undercut smaller competitors like Apple, Atari, Commodore, Lotus, and Wordperfect.

      The Internet has changed the equation in a number of ways.

      • blogs have weakened their marketing punch by making it harder for them to control the media by buying off columnists (whether directly through advertising purchases or by limiting access to executives and product releases),
      • blogs can also go into much more details about the relative strengths, merits, and limitations of Microsoft vs. competing products, allowing corporate and private buyers to make more informed decisions, as compared to magazine reports and typical sales demos.
      • The Internet has also made it easier for competition to build user communities where they reach a critical self-supporting mass because geographical dispersal isn't as much of an issue,
      • That last item critically applies even more for developer communities, because you no longer need to be a giant to create a big product (although it still helps with financing if some giants see benefits in providing support).

      So Microsoft still has a big warchest and can use it to good effect, but there are good examples (i.e. XBox) that it can only get them so far. Most of their traditional techniques for gaining advantage are much weaker. However most villains feel they are the heroes of their own stories, and for Microsoft executives to admit that the above is true, they would have to admit that their products are not always the best and that they are not heroes trying to provide the best for their customers (even if their customers can't recognize it), but that their tricks are purely self-serving. Cognitive dissonance just won't let them admit that.

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    2. Re:Refusing change in a wold that changed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its always been one company versus the world with Microsoft. Its just that the world is now starting to say "Fuck Off" back.

    3. Re:Refusing change in a wold that changed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...
      Why is it so difficult for Ballmer and Gates to admit that they can't compete anymore, no matter how many times they restructure their company? It's one company vs the world at this point.

      Are you really so ignorant that you don't know that Gates retired from the company many years ago? He and his wife spend their time running their philanthropic organisation.

  37. Good - if only one thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    As some who needs to deal with this periodically - does this mean Outlook might use IE's rendering engine for HTML email, instead of Word's?

    What a brainfck that is.

    1. Re:Good - if only one thing by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 2

      better idea all use the same rendering engine.

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  38. O.O by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One of the most intelligent things I've ever heard attributed to the man. Guess even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then. I'm sure a chair will fly, and we can return to normalcy soon.

  39. DOJ, pay attention by Thud457 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Windows isn't done until Lotus won't run.

    Expect to see more undocumented syscalls for Office Apps, IE, SQL Server, SMB, etc, etc.

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    1. Re:DOJ, pay attention by Barlo_Mung_42 · · Score: 0

      MS isn't in the same monopoly position that it was in the 90s. DOJ shouldn't care.

    2. Re:DOJ, pay attention by clodney · · Score: 2

      Windows isn't done until Lotus won't run.

      Expect to see more undocumented syscalls for Office Apps, IE, SQL Server, SMB, etc, etc.

      -citation needed-
      I have never yet seen any evidence that MS had more than trivial calls to undocumented APIs. Given the siloed nature of the company that is nominally being addressed by this reorganization, you would expect that the Windows group wouldn't cooperate with the Office group, and would not do anything to make life more difficult for ISVs, who after all are what drive much of the adoption of Windows.

    3. Re:DOJ, pay attention by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1

      One Turd, not many.

      Well, let's avoid them, as they become increasingly irrelevant.

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    4. Re:DOJ, pay attention by tverbeek · · Score: 2

      The silos at Microsoft were built in part as a way to get the DOJ to leave them alone, to at least make it look like the Office division didn't have an unfair advantage over Lotus or WordPerfect Corp in developing Windows applications. Getting rid of the silos is a test to see if they can get away with it (again). They probably can, but only because the DOJ settlement worked, and Microsoft is no longer the 800-pound gorilla of the industry, but just another 300-pound gorilla facing serious competition from Apple and Google.

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    5. Re:DOJ, pay attention by sconeu · · Score: 1

      Go to Groklaw and search the COMES archive.

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  40. So, how does Exchange fit in? by swb · · Score: 1

    From the reorg'd groups:

    "Applications and Services Engineering Group: Led by Qi Lu, and tasked with handling broad applications and services core technologies in productivity, communication, search and other information categories.

    Cloud and Enterprise Engineering Group: As the name suggests, this group will concentrate on datacenter, database, and other enterprise technologies."

    ----

    I could see it fitting in to both sides. Clearly with Office365 they are making a big push for Exchange-as-a-service and short-sighted VARs like mine are happily turning over meaningful service revenue on Exchange for the pennies per month spiff we get for Office365 just to be cloud-mumble-mumble-mumble.

    It seems to me, though, that there's a fair amount of overlap and obvious opportunities to create conflict here as the line blurs between hosted/service/cloud systems (like email) and traditionally deployed systems (like email).

  41. 'One Company" by Snufu · · Score: 1

    Ballmer's grand vision is for every employee to 'squirt' in unison.

  42. On the other hand... by Somebody+Is+Using+My · · Score: 2

    Taking a different approach from most of these comments, I think a reorganization is exactly what Microsoft needs. It has long been known that the individual departments of Microsoft rarely communicate well between themselves and often seem actively hostile towards one another. I remember reading an article (when Office 97 came out, so this shows how far back this problem goes) about how the OS team was upset that Office utilized a goodly number of non-standard tricks rather than using the standard APIs. Thus, moving forward the OS team had to add in shims into their OS to ensure that its Office suite would continue to function in later versions of Windows. Or years later, how PlaysForSure didn't, on the Zune. Each division had its own methods and goals and rarely would they consider the needs of the other divisions. So a re-organization that helps solve some of these issues is probably long overdue.
    (incidentally, a telling graphic of this problem is the following cartoon)

    On the gripping hand, I have to wonder if Balmer is really the best person to enact these changes; he hasn't inspired confidence with his recent (or any?) decisions. Similarly, I suspect that this "one company approach" is less to solve internal problems and more to officially shift the whole company from product-based development (e.g., write a program and sell it to the customers) to a service-based company (e.g., continual subscription-based access to its portfolio of services). , which is a direction Microsoft has been edging towards for over a decade.

  43. now there will be no bright spots by swschrad · · Score: 2

    it will all suck. total reorg with the same CEO who fostered the cluster? -- yah, sure, ya betcha then. Sven. so put some gas on the wood chipper and let's get it ready.

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    1. Re:now there will be no bright spots by LeeMeador · · Score: 1

      Typical solution is to fire all the truly innovative and effective people and keep the ones that caused the problems. Sometimes whole departments that were doing a good job will disappear. If a few good people are missed they can't stand the new politically charged environment and lack of common sense, so they quit before long.

    2. Re:now there will be no bright spots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like how they got rid of the whole MS Flight Simulator team?

    3. Re:now there will be no bright spots by jsepeta · · Score: 1

      Like how they decided to bring back the Start button, not the Start menu?

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    4. Re:now there will be no bright spots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wasn't the Flight Simulator team supporting Al Qaeda?

  44. Bingo overflow... by gstrickler · · Score: 2

    My Buzzword Bingo card was completed in the first 3 paragraphs of Ballmer's memo. By the end, I only had a few unmarked spaces on each card.

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    1. Re:Bingo overflow... by ubersoldat2k7 · · Score: 1

      Makes you wonder if this a real memo or simply a joke on enterprise buzzword.

    2. Re:Bingo overflow... by MachineShedFred · · Score: 2

      Being a Microsoft memo, you have to wonder if your bingo overflow allowed remote execution of arbitrary code and privilege escalation...

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  45. Strategy based on Fail by sl4shd0rk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    FTFA: "launching Windows 8 and Surface, moving to continuous product cycles, bringing a consistent user interface to PCs, tablets, phones and Xbox "

    I've never heard so much Fail mentioned in one sentence before. If those are supposed to be the largest representative of Microsoft's successes in the past decade, they are really, really, really screwed.

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    1. Re:Strategy based on Fail by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Like someone above said, what SQL Server needs is more "live tiles."

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  46. So which part of this is supposed to help? by intermodal · · Score: 2

    I'm looking at this and figuring out what part of it really changes anything. Lumping together gaming and hardware is silly, for example. I remember a hiring freeze at MS Gaming Studios across the entirety of their projects, regardless of whether specific groups were turning a profit. An easy metric to examine when your teams are scattered across the nation (world?), but they didn't bother.

    Now MS Gaming Studios is lumped in with the group responsible for Zune and Surface? and presumably Windows Phone? One more reason to go PS4 if you really need a next-gen console.

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  47. He opened the second envelope. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One more to go....

    A fellow had just been hired as the new CEO of a large high tech corporation. The CEO who was stepping down met with him privately and presented him with three numbered envelopes. "Open these if you run up against a problem you don't think you can solve," he said.

    Well, things went along pretty smoothly, but six months later, sales took a downturn and he was really catching a lot of heat. About at his wit's end, he remembered the envelopes. He went to his drawer and took out the first envelope. The message read, "Blame your predecessor."

    The new CEO called a press conference and tactfully laid the blame at the feet of the previous CEO. Satisfied with his comments, the press -- and Wall Street - responded positively, sales began to pick up and the problem was soon behind him.

    About a year later, the company was again experiencing a slight dip in sales, combined with serious product problems. Having learned from his previous experience, the CEO quickly opened the second envelope. The message read, "Reorganize." This he did, and the company quickly rebounded.

    After several consecutive profitable quarters, the company once again fell on difficult times. The CEO went to his office, closed the door and opened the third envelope.

    The message said, "Prepare three envelopes."

  48. listen to your customers by beefoot · · Score: 1

    Rule #1: Listen to your goddamn customers. We don't want the stupid metro interface or 24/7 DMCA crap. Get rid of them. Rule #2: Go to #1

  49. once-in-a-lifetime by dmbasso · · Score: 1

    Once-in-a-lifetime, meaning "right before death".

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    1. Re:once-in-a-lifetime by marcosdumay · · Score: 1

      Well, it's a way of doing it.

      Jumpping from a building without a parachute is a once-in-a-lifetime experience.

  50. Fixing the security problems by swb · · Score: 2

    Sure, he could have fixed the security problems but it would have been costly and risky and meant sunsetting the Windows OS as we know it.

    He *could* have setup an OS skunkworks in some other city, given them talent from the Windows division, all the Windows source code and documentation, a couple of billion dollars and told them to write a new version of Windows with no strings attached and the only limitation being that it had to run Win32 applications and be much more secure.

    No consideration need be given for upgrades in place, other MS divisions or products, and borrowing ideas from Linux, BSD and Apple would be encouraged (aka, Not Invented Here Not Allowed).

    Hopefully we would have ended up with a singular (ie, no bullshit server/desktop differentiation) operating system with in-built virtualization like VM/CMS, security and flexibility and none of the bullshit that holds back Windows because some wanker with stock options in another division won't play along.

    1. Re:Fixing the security problems by alen · · Score: 5, Informative

      he did, in 2001

      Vista SP2 and later is a whole new kernel that had been in development since 2001. smaller and modular unlike the bill gates throw everything into the kernel strategy

      Windows 7 is exactly what you wanted. a new OS with backward compatibility. that's why its 20GB of disk space to install it. there are multiple versions of almost every file for backward compatibility

    2. Re:Fixing the security problems by swb · · Score: 1

      It is and it isn't, though, because it still retains too much of the architecture of previous versions.

      Why are we still dealing with explicit drive letters? C:\Windows\Foo\Bar should for all intents and purposes be something that's only available in a per-app virtualization layer for Win32 apps.

      While Vista/7 is a "new" kernel, it's like buying a "new" car that only has a new engine but shares the body and interior with the previous model.

    3. Re:Fixing the security problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Windows 7 is exactly what you wanted. a new OS with backward compatibility. that's why its 20GB of disk space to install it. there are multiple versions of almost every file for backward compatibility

      I'm curious to know how Solaris can have the same multi-decade backwards compatibility without the same level of bloat. Even FreeBSD has compat libraries available:

      http://www.freshports.org/misc/compat4x/
      http://www.freshports.org/misc/compat5x/ ...

    4. Re:Fixing the security problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, Apple bit the bullet and replaced the original MacOS ("Classic") when it became apparent it was outmoded and too shaky to keep patching.

      Sometimes you've just got to bite the bullet, and MS has for a LONG while now had the money, people, and time to rebuild Windows from the ground up with new features and security designed in, not added on; they just refuse to do so. So, in short, f*ck MS.

      can't make this up: captcha is "indolent"

    5. Re:Fixing the security problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Vista SP2 and later is a whole new kernel that had been in development since 2001.

      Umm, no, it isn't. Microsoft didn't start from scratch. It's the same NT kernel with the same basic design, albeit with some major architectural improvements over the NT 5.1 kernel as found in XP. Saying it's a whole new kernel is a bit disingenuous. It's like saying Linux 2.6 was a whole new kernel compared with Linux 2.4.

      Also the NT 6 kernel was there from Vista RTM, though it was an incomplete mess at that point. I guess you could say that the NT 6 kernel wasn't really cooked until Vista SP2.

    6. Re:Fixing the security problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Vista SP2 and later is a whole new kernel that had been in development since 2001. smaller and modular unlike the bill gates throw everything into the kernel strategy

      Sources please.

    7. Re:Fixing the security problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      can't make this up: captcha is "indolent"

      Nobody gives a fuck about your goddamned captcha.

  51. Technet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did the re-org have anything to do with them canceling technet?

  52. More fiefdoms not less by CadentOrange · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I would have thought that Microsoft's biggest problem at the moment is that all the different divisions are not separate enough. The biggest thing holding Microsoft back is their seemingly inexplicable need to make everything run on Windows only (Office is the notable exception).

    This blind adherence to making everything run on Windows may have been a strategic move in the 90's but it's really doing them no favours today. Take SQL server for example. It's a very good database product, but it only runs on Windows. While Windows has a large share of the server market, Linux (and other flavours of *nix) is just as large if not larger. If they were serious about pushing SQL server, they'd do what other database companies do and release their product on multiple platforms. Oracle/Postgres/DB2/etc all run on Window and common flavours of *nix. It makes no sense to hold SQL server back unless it's to give Windows a unique selling point.

    The same can be said of a lot of their other products. Visual Studio is IMHO the best IDE out there, yet it's Windows only. MS Office is the standard office suite, yet it's not available on the major mobile operating systems (Android and iOS). Not releasing MS Office for iOS/Android is as ridiculous as not releasing it for the Mac. They've clearly decided that the Mac market is targeting and it's worth noting that Microsoft's Mac Business unit is doing well financially.

    Making their other products run on non-Windows platforms may jeopardise the sales of Windows licenses, but it's almost certain to improve the sales of everything else. The question is whether the increase in sales will offset the loss of Windows licenses, and I'm in no position to answer that. My gut feeling is that it will be better for the company in the long run as they will no longer be tied to the fortunes of Windows. This separation may also benefit Windows in the long term as it won't be able to use the other MS products "exclusives" as a crutch and will have to stand on its own merits.

    This is the sort of shake-up of Microsoft that I think is necessary. Anything else is just a waste of time and akin to rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic, as others have alluded to.

    1. Re:More fiefdoms not less by ubersoldat2k7 · · Score: 2

      SHUT UP!!! I swear that if I ever see MSSQL, IIS or a Nav product running on my Linux machines I'll hunt you down.

    2. Re:More fiefdoms not less by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Take SQL server for example. It's a very good database product, but it only runs on Windows. While Windows has a large share of the server market, Linux (and other flavours of *nix) is just as large if not larger. If they were serious about pushing SQL server, they'd do what other database companies do and release their product on multiple platforms. Oracle/Postgres/DB2/etc all run on Window and common flavours of *nix. It makes no sense to hold SQL server back unless it's to give Windows a unique selling point.

      SQL Server already runs on Unix & Linux, even since before it did on Window, it's called Sybase.

    3. Re:More fiefdoms not less by WuphonsReach · · Score: 1

      It's as I've said ever since the DOJ failed to split Microsoft up after convicting them of monopoly status. If the DOJ had split MS up, it would have done the company a huge favor in the long run.

      Office needs to be its own company and expanded to run on everything from Linux to iOS to Android. Exchange and SQL Server need to be divested into a "server applications" type company with similar cross-platform goals. The operating system should be split off into its own company (heck, rewrite Windows Server to run on top of BSD, leverage all that MIT/BSD licensed code).

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  53. I read the memo - where's the vision? by Bearhouse · · Score: 1

    Since this should indeed be news for nerds, I actually read not only TFA but also the linked Balmer article.
    Whilst it is popular to rubbish the guy on only flimsy grounds here, reading that memo an eye-opener.

    Inspirational leaders formulate a clear, federating vision, which they articulate with passion and in few words.

    Their subordinates, if aligned and competent, require no clarification before setting out the revised strategy for their teams, and then getting things done.

    I see none of this in the memo. For example...

    Going forward, our strategy will focus on creating a family of devices and services for individuals and businesses that empower people around the globe at home, at work and on the go, for the activities they value most.

    Seriously, does that actually mean anything, to anyone here? MS is a hardware and services company now?

     

  54. Yawn by JDG1980 · · Score: 1

    You know when I'll believe things have changed at Microsoft? When Raymond Chen is put in charge of the Windows division (or better yet, the whole company). More than anyone else I've heard about, he actually understands why people use Windows and stick with it: because of the consistent focus on backward compatibility at all costs that was the hallmark of the pre-Ballmer era.

    Legacy compatibility is the #1 thing keeping Windows alive. But if the Ballmer/MSDN camp keeps winning victories over the Raymond Chen camp, that will continue to be eaten away, and Microsoft will one day wake up to find that no one needs them any more.

    1. Re:Yawn by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

      I think moving in almost the opposite direction is the way to go.

      Clinging to all the backwards compatibility holds them back. Apple made huge leaps forward when they made a new OS with almost no regard for backwards compatibility, thinking only of how to move forward with the best possible OS.

      Legacy apps can be run through some sort of emulation or virtualization system included in the OS.

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    2. Re:Yawn by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      Why would people run Windows if their Windows apps are second-class citizens? They might as well switch to Linux and run them in Wine.

    3. Re:Yawn by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

      Because key Windows apps will move forward and have new versions that support the new OS.

      If you're running an old app that won't be updated for the new kernel, then it can't take advantage of new Windows features either way, and is already a second-class citizen. For example, Windows 7 added support for Jump Lists on the task bar. Vendors have to put out new versions of their app to support this feature.

      When Apple made the leap to OS X, Adobe rewrote their app to work on OS X. When Apple switched to X86 processors, Adobe rewrote their app to work on OS X.

      Being obsessed with backwards compatibility, you give no incentive to developers to write better apps.

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    4. Re:Yawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Apple made huge leaps forward when they made a new OS with almost no regard for backwards compatibility

      Wrong. Early versions of the BSD-based MacOS X included a method for running programs in "Classic" MacOS mode. Backwards compatibility was very much on Apple's mind when they went to OS X.

    5. Re:Yawn by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

      Except that is what I said. Backwards compatibility is done with emulation, but the OS itself was written as something completely new, not something that had to be built around old apps.

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  55. Single strategy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Embrace, extend, extinguish... pick one?

  56. Clueless by Sheik+Yerbouti · · Score: 1

    Shows how clueless Ballmer is they need to break it up in to smaller companies for the good of the shareholders. But he's far to egotistical to realize that. One giant bloated infighting company is not the answer. And even though Ballmer said the divisions should play nice that won't make it so.

  57. efficiency boost by slashmydots · · Score: 1

    This is definitely a faster and more efficient way to run MS...in such a way that Europe can sue their asses off and all their products get ruined by linking to services and products nobody has any interest in.

  58. Organizational structure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If you care about providing value to your users and generally kicking ass you draw aspects on technical rather than political boundaries and you include structural elements to promote internal competition and synergies.

    What Steve has done shows he only cares about political concerns and Microsoft will continue to play games extracting maximum value they can get away with to maximize their dollar rather than providing maximum value to the customer. Ultimatly this behavior is corrosive to consumer loyalty and will lead to the downfall of the company as others deliver value MS is no longer capable of providing.

  59. Walls between divisions by Enderandrew · · Score: 4, Informative

    I once noted at an Exchange demonstration (put on by a professional Microsoft Evangelist) that not all of the new features in Exchange were supported in the new version of Outlook, which seemed odd. He confessed that the two teams are not allowed to talk to each other during initial development because of NDAs. The two divisions of the company are kept in the dark from each other, even though the two products are designed to work together.

    I think many large companies suffer from their size.

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    1. Re:Walls between divisions by MachineShedFred · · Score: 2

      And if you've ever seen the Mac version of Outlook, it's very clear that the Mac Business Unit developers don't share more than about 3 words with either the Exchange team, or the Windows apps team.

      Back in the day, there was a fully-functional Exchange client for "Classic" MacOS that had feature parity with Windows Outlook. Then, the MacBU threw that away and gave us the glorified front-end to Outlook Web Access that we have today. What a piece of shit.

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    2. Re:Walls between divisions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Having worked for one of those two teams (admittedly a long time ago) I'm inclined to call BS on this. I've never heard of NDA's between divisions of the same company.

      It is far more likely that some people in those teams are actively undermining any effort to work together. I've seen it before.

    3. Re:Walls between divisions by grumpy_old_grandpa · · Score: 2

      Maybe if they had worked with open standards, that would not have been a problem...

    4. Re:Walls between divisions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The competing divisions may cause many of Microsoft's problems, but you can thank antitrust for the Exchange / Outlook wall.

      Lawyers won't let the Outlook team know anything that the Exchange team hasn't announced to the world, which means they don't always have enough time to implement support for the latest and greatest prior to release.

    5. Re:Walls between divisions by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

      It also happened quite famously to Google. The divisions of the company did not realize they were working on Android and Chrome OS at the same time, and have even come out to say as such publicly later.

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  60. microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    does this mean I still have to call India to get customer support?

  61. I love reorganizations and watching Ballmer tank by water-and-sewer · · Score: 1

    I love reorganizations. They're often the kind of fundamental shake-up that make sleepy bureaucracies wake up, and shock companies into better performance. Ballmer's definitely right that Microsoft needs big changes.

    That said, Ballmer's f*cked up basically everything he's touched in the past 10 years I've been paying attention. So I will pour myself a cold beer and enjoy watching him fubar this too. Knowing Ballmer, the new "one company, one strategy" mantra will coalesce around the WRONG strategy, and he'll drive Microsoft off the cliff (while BillG, still alive and watching, quivers in anguish from the wings).

    Gentlemen, start your flamethrowers: it's about to smell like flamed-out monkey-man!

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  62. Re:Microsoft? by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

    This joke is entirely apt and inaccurate at the same time.

    Microsoft keeps losing market share in every key market and their rate of growth keeps slowing.

    But yet they are growing still none the less with record profits.

    There are some who feel Balmer needs to go to save Microsoft, yet how do you kick out a CEO delivering record profits?

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  63. Microsoft is safe by gmuslera · · Score: 1

    Government needs an operating system (and office, database, etc) deployed worldwide owned by a company that fully cooperates with them on planting backdoors or just delaying fixing remote vulnerabilites. In the worst case can always bailout them, no matter how much losses are getting, anyway would be peanuts compared with the banks one.

  64. I know this ride... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My employer started a massive "one company" (using that exact phrase) push about two years ago.

    It's a great idea...if you are small, or if you wish you were small.

    The problem comes in when you serve different markets. If you have, for analogy, a group that makes airplane engines and another group that finances retail car sales. Or a group that makes developer tools and server software for professional users, and another group developing games and game hardware targeted to 14-35yo males who want to be entertained. Those markets simply don't reconcile well in the real world. That's why companies like GE, Toyota, GM, etc. have structures that allow the division that makes missiles to act like a different company than the divisions that make semiconductors, medical imaging devices, car parts, etc..

    In my employer's case, it has not solved any problems but has created new orthodoxy an individual can be guilty of violating. It fuels inter-departmental ill will (each side accuses the other of not being "one company" enough) and has destroyed morale and caused employees to leave because product group (especially those that are different from the main products) employees realize that their efforts to bring success to the company, by serving their customers, will be viewed as rebellion against the "one company" edict.

  65. C++ vs. .NET internally. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder if this means anything for native code vs. managed. One of the ways they seemed divided was between people who think .NET is the answer for everything and C or C++ people.

  66. Humble motto suggestion by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

    "E Silos Pluribus, Unum"

    "From many Silos, One"

  67. SharePoint by dosun88888 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Aside from Windows itself, I'd offer SharePoint as the most wide-reaching product that the company produces. To deploy and work with a SharePoint installation crosses all boundaries between servers to end-user software.

    This being the case, a brief examination of a few pieces of it can illustrate the walls between the various groups.

    Firstly, there are around 6 distinct People Picker controls in use through the product. That's the dialog where you pick a user from AD or whatever authentication provider you're using to either give them rights or attach them to something. All do exactly the same thing, some look exactly the same, and some look different. But there are 6 of them.

    Interface customization in SharePoint is a huge mess. You can create an application page and deploy it to the server. You can customize other page types with SharePoint Designer. You can use InfoPath to customize list forms. Now you can even take some random HTML you made in a text editor or dreamweaver and run a process to create a new layout from that as a template. I could keep going about the various customization vectors (if you can think of another manner, I've probably done that too). Even the pages making up the functionality that ships with the product don't follow any sort of reasonable pattern. Sometimes you're looking at an InfoPath form, and sometimes an HTML form, and sometimes you're kicked to an application page that looks distinct from other application pages doing the same thing for other services. Some functionality is in web parts, and some are in delegate controls.

    Go to the administration settings for PowerPivot, and you get something that looks different than the settings for Excel Services. Then look at PerformancePoint. All are serving very similar functions, and providing very similar settings, but it's like learning Mandarin and then needing to also pick up Cantonese to set up the next thing that is ostensibly part of the same product.

    They've taken some steps to unifying parts of the product in SharePoint 2013, but there is still a long way to go before it can be called cohesive. If they can break down some of these walls for Microsoft as a whole, then maybe it'll make SharePoint more solid as an offering.

    Then again, if it wasn't a mess and made sense I'd be an order of magnitude less valuable as a SharePoint guy.

    1. Re:SharePoint by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

      I think this is why I hate sharepoint the most. It seems to be a comprehensive and massively developed tool for funneling money to consultants.

      While I consider myself a decent developer, I will under no circumstances develop for Sharepoint again. If the boss wants something done in Sharepoint, he can contract someone to do that. Because I'm not going back. You can't make me.

  68. Obligatory Quote by apcullen · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We trained hard ... but it seemed that every time we were beginning to form up into teams we would be reorganized. I was to learn later in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing; and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress while producing confusion, inefficiency, and demoralization.

    --Gauis Petronius Circa 50AD

    1. Re:Obligatory Quote by apcullen · · Score: 1

      And yes, I'm aware there's some doubt as to the authenticity of the quote, but it still probably applies here.

    2. Re:Obligatory Quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The quote is from Charlton Ogburn. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlton_Ogburn,_Jr.

  69. Windows Company by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

    Nothing says "We are a Windows Company" than Balmer trying to do anything. WHEN is the board going to fire his ass? Do they not understand, he has been what is wrong with Microsoft for a very long time, and they have only survived in spite of him?

    I've been saying that Microsoft is done as a major player for a long time, because they are a "Windows" company. Now that the world is Unix/Linux world they are screwed if they continue down this path.

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  70. Previous Strategy? by globaljustin · · Score: 1

    What was it like before? How is this different?

    That's what I'm wondering. I have read that M$ suffered from a 'feifdom' culture as a result of weird upper management that resulted in neglect. Then the 'feifdom' forms, usually as a result of one or a small group saying, "This is Bullshit, x person is crazy, but we can make *our department* not suck and be a shining example of how to do things right to the industry..." then you have internal anarchy. Like Mad Max. Mad Max combined with Truman Show.

    In regards to 'marketing'...ugh...I didn't really expect any better, but seeing this in a formal document still gave me a dead feeling inside

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  71. Re:Surely Microsoft is Too Big To Fail. by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1

    Actually, I think you are right.

    MS has been the desktop Meta-Game for decades, so if in fact they officially folded, aka the entire Windows empire is officially lame duck, *that* would go all Hurricane Sandy all over the IT world!

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  72. Hell, these problems are not limited to Microsoft by vikingpower · · Score: 1

    My manager is an absolute bitch, caring only about her piece of the BU's budget and benefit. If I want to integrate some code from another BU, or even bring that code to a higher TRL, she'll try and convince me that I am her soldier, and should for her piece of the cake only. Steve Ballmer and his approach could do a lot of good where I work.

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  73. no change by Tom · · Score: 1

    I've been through enough reorganisations myself to know one thing:

    Changing the labels on the executives doors doesn't change a fucking thing, and neither does painting a new org chart.

    The really important things are all in the implementation. Putting people into the same division doesn't mean they magically start working with each other. Announcing a vision or strategy doesn't create it.

    So, as far as I'm concerned, nothing interesting has happened - yet.

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  74. Three Letters. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A new incoming CEO found three sealed letters in his desk drawer numbered 1-3 with Open in case of emergency written on the envelopes.

    Several months pass and there is an emergency so the CEO opens the first letter.

    "Blame it on the previous CEO." The letter reads, so he did so and all was well.

    Several more months pass there is another emergency so the CEO opens the second letter.

    "Re-org" the letter reads, so he did.

    A few months later another emergency occurs so the CEO opens the third and final letter.

    "Re-seal these envelopes and leave them in your desk drawer for the next CEO" it reads.

  75. she's horrible... by globaljustin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I hate the 'ribbon'...

    Metro and Windows 7 were "Her idea" as well...

    Her career represents all that causes otherwise good developers to make total crap and eventually quit the industry in disgust.

    She's the Sarah Palin of computing.

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    1. Re:she's horrible... by apcullen · · Score: 1

      I thought Carly Fiorina was the Sarah Palin of computing?

  76. update by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    http://www.bonkersworld.net/organizational-charts-update/ ;)

  77. Hard to measure profit potential by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "important" should not be a matter of opinion, but of objective profit measurement.

    But what if you have something that is making good money now, but another division that could be making an amazing amount of money if managed differently?

    If you just base things on objective profit measurements, you'll never undertake the risky projects that can also have order of magnitudes better reward.

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    1. Re:Hard to measure profit potential by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And that's the job of executives. It is HARD! If it wasn't, we would all be CEOs.

  78. A quote wrong attributed to Petronius (AD 27-66) by Squidlips · · Score: 1

    We trained hard ... but it seemed that every time we were beginning to form up into teams we would be reorganized. I was to learn later in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing; and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress while producing confusion, inefficiency, and demoralization.

  79. Reorganizing will not help... by dtjohnson · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...because organization is not the problem. Microsoft has operated under the 'look out for number 1' principle for so long that it permeates their culture. Every employee, manager, executive, and group ruthlessly guards their own self-interests at the expense of everything else...corporate goals, customer needs, company reputation, and so on. The general company principles appear to be a) gouge customers, b) drive competitors out of business, and c) undermine partners. These are the principles that built Microsoft and they probably can never be changed. Operating in this way has smothered innovation to the extent that computers pretty much operate exactly as they did 20 years ago other than being faster and more powerful (thanks to hardware innovation out of Microsoft's purview). If it were not for Steve Jobs and Apple, we would still be using cellphones that made calls and played simple games, we would be listening to music on CDs that had to contact a central server run by Microsoft before they could be played, and laptops would be the size of a countertop pancake griddle and put out about the same amount of heat.

  80. Re-orgs are a sign of a dying company by Squidlips · · Score: 1

    Re-orgs are done by managers who have nothing better to except twiddle with org charts. I see them all the time is companies that are poorly run.

  81. A course change for MS, but is it the right one? by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    or else by 2020 when Win 7 reaches EOL it'll see MSFT reach EOL with it

    I doubt even Microsoft would have made it to 2020 on its previous course, mostly because it didn't really seem to have one, so it's not surprising that things are changing.

    Whether things are changing in a good direction is a different question. Microsoft have, with some justification, dominated business desktops for decades, and they have a serious presence in the server room/back office as well. They appear to be almost throwing that away and betting the farm on mobile and clouds with this new strategy.

    If I were a betting man myself, I'd wager that the current cloud/software-as-a-service trend is going to overstay its welcome long before 2020. Objectively, there just isn't enough in it for the customers and it's being sustained more by groupthink than actual merit. When CIOs stop being cool just because they're moving everything "into the cloud", they'll start evangelising the security and reliability and performance and financial benefits of having everything in-house, under their direct control.

    If I were in Microsoft's position, I'd be tempted to build a client/server model based on "private clouds" for business, probably with a three-way split between back-end tools, portable devices, and less portable but more flexible/multi-purpose devices. I'd want a unified set of ideas in the software and I'd want silky smooth data sharing and real-time collaboration and easy software management around the network, but I'd expect a different presentation style for the software in each of the three cases. They've got the war chest and continuing revenues to wait out the current cloud boom. They could be better placed than anyone else in the industry to lock up the business market for another generation, if they could just offer the right balance between cloud/mobile flexibility and depth/power of traditional business computing, without the cheap-and-nasty feel of most cloud and mobile experiences today.

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  82. The board could look outside the company by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 1

    They could even bring back a former executive.

  83. we're calling because your Microsoft has a virus by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    What, India doesn't call you?

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  84. Corporate culture is even harder to change by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 1

    There's a lot of "fourth monkey" dynamics that goes into it. It's especially hard to stop infighting when you've spent decades selecting employees to be, what's a polite word, "competitive".

  85. no matter how you re-org... by Lead+Butthead · · Score: 1

    no matter how you reorg a funny farm, it's still a funny farm.

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  86. Tearing down the silos - a very good idea by sjefersuper · · Score: 1

    Tearing down walls worked in Europe - Germany is now one country. Keeping competing divisions within a company is a very stupid thing to do. Reorganizing the company is thus a good idea - and it is about time. The big question is execution - can they pull it off? To reap the benefits of a "one company" strategy they need to change the internal culture of a very big organization - that is very, very challenging. Hopefully they succeed - Microsoft needs an update to stay ahead of changing trends and the silos they have been operating have not been able to do this. PC sales are in dramatic decline - innovativeness and adaptability will be crucial for the future of the company. Many of the challenges they will face in the big change program they obviously will need to initate will look like challenges in big M&A deals. They need their entire management to be trustworthy, understanding and loyal to both the company and the employees. A typical problem with large change processes is too much focus on measurements, target numbers, etc and too little focus on running the core business as well as taking care of the people working there. Hopefully they will manage - Microsoft have been bragging about their positions in lists like "100 best places to work" etc. I wish them luck, because I really do not want to see an iPad-ification of the entire consumer market. That is no better than the MS monopoly we had in the mid 90's on the desktop.

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  87. Re:Metro mother/Ribbon champion now in charge of X by JDG1980 · · Score: 1

    Well, having her in charge of Surface/Xbox is better than her being in charge of Windows...

  88. name change by tverbeek · · Score: 1

    One little-noticed aspect of this is that Steve Ballmer is changing his last name to "Jobs".

    Seriously, it sounds like he's trying to change Microsoft into Apple.

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  89. MS & Apple Envy by SnappyTech · · Score: 1

    MS has a lot of Apple envy, as one can see by its most recent strategies. I can't help but feel that they are making this move to more closely emulate Apple's corporate structure. They're doing a lot of imitation while trying to be distinctive.

    1. Re:MS & Apple Envy by thoughtlover · · Score: 1

      I think it's a case of envying two companies that have relatively different strategies. Google is a search company that ventured into OSes, thus threatening Windows. Apple has always been a hardware company, but the iTunes store was a stealth-attack to the Windows user that got caught in the 'halo effect' of purchasing an iPod --they ultimately made the transition to Apple hardware and OS.

      Microsoft has always seemed, to me, to be following everyone else and that's why their products often come off as unpolished knockoffs of someone else's idea.

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  90. Predatory monopoly by Livius · · Score: 1

    ...practices now come to Microsoft's internal divisions. The irony.

  91. Better for who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I fear this reorganizing is actually mostly due the an aged Ballmers need to make things simpler and less complex.

  92. Single strategy? by thoughtlover · · Score: 1

    The 'single strategy' they should have jumped on was dismissed as a 'fad' by Gates. So does this new strategy mean I can log on to my Outlook server from Halo and check my email from a virtual HUD (within the game) and use hand gestures to navigate the inbox via Kinect? Cross-group collaboration (while maintaining secrecy on big projects) and 'holistic' sound like buzz-words that are supposed to generate confidence for shareholders. While their value is nearly half that of 2000, the dividends have continually risen, so I don't see a shareholder revolt. If the reorganization isn't well-thought, it could spell disaster, possibly forcing a split of the company to several, specialized units. Personally, I think that's how they should have organized from the start.

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  93. Crushing under the weight of complexity by Macchendra · · Score: 1

    How many of you developers out there have maintained an aging codebase that was becoming crushed under the weight of its own complexity? Think of how changes become impossible to make because of the number of side effects that need to be considered. Compatibility is the anchor around their neck, it keeps them married to this complexity. .Net was the perfect chance for them to create the new seed for their windowing interface. Preferably on a linux or freebsd core. They also need to stop dumbing down their interfaces. The person responsible for the ribbon interface needs to be shown the door, it removes the factor of abstract intelligence needed and places the emphasis on memorization. Clearly it was done for user education lock-in. The old Access interface was enough to teach a new user about databases. Now it is just awful.

  94. Warm fuzzies, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've seen a number of executives 'shaking things up' and 'changing the paradigm' of their respective companies. More often than not, the aftermath is not particularly different.

    Large companies like microsoft are nearly certain to demonstrate some severe dysfunction. Even if the execs say there *should* be synergy and such, the fiefdoms just reform (at some point, there is unavoidably a reckoning of who gets thrown under the bus for whom).

  95. PS is also.. by Junta · · Score: 1

    An example of 'NIH' After years of people pretty much wanting a damn bourne shell, they... made something totally different. People wanted nicely interopable ssh access, they got the hellish monster of powershell remoting over WebServices.

    Now if you are a *pure* MS shop, then *anything* but cmd was a great help and the extraordinarily complex nasty crap underlying all their remoting and WMI is tucked away so you can't see just how much it is terrible.

    Now MS recognizes that most datacenters are hetereogenuous. What is their answer? Linux should just start acting like Windows: http://blog.serverfault.com/2013/06/03/cross-platform-configuration-management-is-hard/

    Seriously, in their efforts to be more 'friendly' in a mixed datacenter, they decide the answer is the world would be so much easier if they can continue to ignore decades of established behaviors of others and just get those competitors to simply change their mind.

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  96. "a" by globaljustin · · Score: 1

    She's a Sarah Palin of computing.

    Thing is, these CEbimbOs ruin things for competent women by reinforcing stereotypes. I genuinely feel bad for women in the IT workplace. There are virtually zero role models for the big crop of younger woman techies to follow.

    Shut your filthy mouth if you were thinking of that CEO woman at Yahoo!...same with Cheryl Zuckerberg or whatever her name is...they are icy-cold ladder-climbing company-killers. Stuck in the same management style that ruined Microsoft....

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  97. Re:What a load of crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Clearly, you are an idiot.

    What a concise and thoroughly cogent argument you have there.

    You can pick up your "I won! I won!" badge from the counter as you leave.

  98. innovation is not what you think by epine · · Score: 1

    I think it's wrong to cease to listen completely just because it's been over a decade since a company did a single thing that positively impacted your world. In the case of Microsoft I've reached a pragmatic compromise: I read until the first use of the word "innovation".

    The reason that "innovation" shows up in the memo title is so that everyone at Microsoft knows that nothing will really change as a result of what follows, no matter how drastic.

    Xerox Parc in the 1970s: the kind of core technological innovation most companies claim to do, but actually don't

    Apple in the 1980s: paring down true innovation hoovered from Xerox to make it marketable under the "one size fits all" reality distortion field

    Microsoft in the 1980s: business tactics for gaining control of the "air supply", which has always been Microsoft's core area of innovation

    Apple in the 1990s: black turtle-neck saviour boomerang (makes for a better opera than a business model, but hell, it worked)

    Microsoft in the 1990s: extended legacy compatibility through virtualization and non-existent application security model

    Apple recently: small form factor integration and aesthetics; walled gardens that actually work

    Microsoft recently: cleverly cooked TCO studies to continue locking companies into Exchange Server and the rest of the office documents ecosystem

    Google 1995-2005: extracting relevance signals from the web page graph, delivering search results at extremely low marginal cost, underlying mechanics of the AdSense auction (these being the closest to true innovation in the Xerox tradition)

    Google since: ripping off Java from Sun (via the open source Dalvik project) for use in Android/Linux; becoming more like Facebook

    The reason companies keep repeating the word "innovation" is because they so rarely do it on the product development side of their business (innovation in revenue extraction tends to have longer legs).

  99. Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, talk about being responsive. Kind of like bailing the titanic out with shot glasses.

    Short of gutting the company and starting over (Windows 8.x, REALLY) that's about all they can do.
    Actually that would be a good plan, fire everyone and hire back who you need.

    The "bloatware" aspect of windows no doubt reflects the company to a large degree.

    The "nepotism" factor has also likely run it's course by now. Remember Microsoft has been around in some form since 1980, so 40+ years of "good old boy network" can wreak havoc on a company.

    If XBOX 720 / one doens't REALLY take off HUGE, then Microsoft is looking at a grim future.

    Frankly this is the first "smart" thing I have seem Balmer do, and I hope it works for them.

    Lots of jobs at stake. I think this is somewhat too little too late, but time will tell

  100. Chimney busting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In 1995 when I worked for "the last American car company" there was a massive reorganization. One of the things it (the "reorg") did was standardize IT throughout the company (at least the company minus the Finance and Legal) to reduce duplication of effort in this otherwise "overhead activity".

    Within "the last American car company” and perhaps other companies the term "chimney" was used to describe the scope and scale of organizations within the company. The staff and resources being "the bricks". Well, as you can imagine, the more "bricks" a chimney had the more power and prestige the manager had.

    The "reorg" was intended to "level the chimneys" (except ours of course which was the model) and build a single "large chimney" which would include IT for the entire company based on our divisions IT model.

    In any case, the net result was the biggest "turf war" I have ever seen in my career. Resources (people, projects, hardware, etc) were hidden, artificial conflicts created, feet were dragged, hair was pulled. Suffice it to say, change was not embraced by all.

    The idea (standardization) was a sound one, and had all involved cooperated, the strategy would have worked and "the last American car company" could have had an integrated IT department across all divisions and plants worldwide.

    BUT, due to the infighting and chicanery the net result of this was that the entire IT function was eventually outsourced to IBM.

    Many jobs were lost, and IMHO the entire company suffered from the loss of internal control of IT resources and programs.

    Fortunately, "the last American car company" is not a computer or software Company, so overall the net effect to "the last American car company" was probably negligible or perhaps even good by reducing staffing costs.

    Microsoft on the other hand manufactures nothing, so they are wholly dependent on software. This "reorg" could potentially be catastrophic for Balmer and Microsoft. Perhaps good for consumers and employees of Microsoft (who may form their own companies specializing in what they did fin Redmond), but for the company, not so much.

    word to the wise, "reorgs" don't often work as intended, this should be very scary for the Shareholders.

  101. Steve Ballmer... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    should be the first thing to go.

  102. FOSS hypocrisy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Well you have to recode...." IS ALWAYS THE WRONG ANSWER.

    You mean like what I get told about 50% of my Linux problems? Oh you need that to work or you wanna change that setting? All you have to do is recompile the kernel....... Does that response also offend you? It is one of the big reasons Linux is still not ready for the desktop!

  103. Doesn't look good... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...with the Windows phone honcho now in charge of the operating system it doesn't look good for future releases of Windows. Also, if becoming a "device and services" company means what is says, then it would seem that Microsoft obviously wants to become Apple and concentrate on hardware and apps which also doesn't sound good for the OS. Looks like in the future if you want to run anything but apps on your computer your choice of OS will be limited. It seems since the Desktop PC won't die a natural death quick enough, Microsoft has decided to hurry its demise.

    For me, I almost exclusively run games on my PC and have no use for social media, apps, or music/videos on my PC. Looks like I'll be running Win7 until I die. lol.

  104. Re:Microsoft? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    (Captcha: Scoffs)

    Nobody gives a fuck about your goddamned captcha.