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Sprint May Have Unlimited Data Plans, But Not Unlimited Customers

mitcheli writes "Sprint announced a Q2 loss of $1.6B as 2 million subscribers left their service. While Sprint remains one of very few carriers to continue to allow unlimited data on their networks, the failure to reconcile two competing network technologies (iDEN Nextel and CDMA Sprint) combined with the lack of upgrades to their network and degrading service prompted a mass exodus of subscribers from their network. Of course the fact that during the iPhone 5 release, Sprint openly advertised that their iPhone would not be carrier locked, only to turn around and push out an OTA two months later that locked them probably didn't help much either."

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  1. I'm sure the acquisition of Clearwire by xombo · · Score: 1

    didn't help, either.

    1. Re:I'm sure the acquisition of Clearwire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was pretty conveniently left out, yes.

  2. Why I left by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    When I joined, the Evo 3D was $299. The Evo 4G was $199 (and already a year or so old at that point). I didn't want to pay the extra $100 for the 3D, so I got the 4G. However, the updates pushed to it made it extremely low on space before my two-year contract was up. My wife's phone was also acting up. But to get a new phone, we would have to pay full price. We could've done some early upgrade thing that also cost money, but it cost more than the ETF fee! That's right. We could pay more to stay with Sprint, or we could pay the cheaper ETF and go to T-Mobile with a cheaper monthly fee.

    1. Re:Why I left by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 2

      I'm on my way out. 2 yr contract is up and unlimited data is nicely 'limited' by crappy data service. I live in VA right outside DC. Absolutely NO LTE service but if you look at the map, Baltimore has it, Fredricksburg (south) and the I-81 corridor have LTE, but not DC and it's suburbs. It's an amazing hole in coverage for what is supposed to be the best service.

      It's absolutely ridiculous that they are upgrading multiple markets around the country and the nations capital is still getting a pittance. Even plain 4G service is quite spotty.

      And all this at equivalent Verizon pricing. simply amazing

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    2. Re:Why I left by lightknight · · Score: 1

      Hmm. Currently on Virgin Mobile, which is one of Sprint's brands, and while I enjoy the 'all you can eat' approach to data, I can't make use of it, since I have such poor signal out where I am.

      It gets worse...I've repeatedly asked Virgin Mobile to offer me, sell me, anything, a micro-cell / femto-cell, so I can use their service inside my own home, using my own damn broadband connection...and they repeatedly act like they don't care. Their PR crew seems to be more focused on MyFi than addressing a serious problem which, if they just spent 5 minutes with a Sprint engineer ("Hey guys, can we offer our customers Air Raves? Thanks...."), would be fixed / go away; how am I supposed to share a cellular signal with '5 of my friends' via 802.11x if I have to go outside to place a phone call?

      And it's not like there has been a lot, and I mean a lot, of noise on the boards about VM lacking a femto-cell, going back for years...I can only conclude that Sprint is a masochist, that enjoys self-sabotage.

      As for the phones being offered...not bad, but they do need to work on things a little. The Samsung Galaxy 4, or what have you, is the current lead from Samsung...but VM just got the 3; and it's not like Samsung doesn't want to sell this thing, if the latest figures from El Reg are true. And it's not like VM is subsidizing these phones...because you pay for the phone in its entirety.

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    3. Re:Why I left by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      I got the Evo 4G right when it came out, I think even the day of (June 2010, I think). I switched to Sprint to get it. The salesman I talked to said that Phoenix would be getting 4G service "soon". By the time I dropped Sprint a few months ago to go to T-Mobile and get the HTC One, there still was no 4G service in Phoenix. I'm not talking about LTE either, I'm talking about whatever Sprint thinks is 4G. I would see network speeds around 20-40kbps frequently on the Evo 4G in Phoenix. I just ran a speed test on my HTC One on T-Mobile and it shows 20MB down, 10MB up. That's actually by far the fastest speed I've seen on it, the other 2 tests I have saved are 3MB and 4.6MB down, and under 2MB up (still 2 orders of magnitude better than Sprint's network). Maybe the network got an upgrade. Unfortunately for Sprint, I was done waiting around for them to get their shit together.

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    4. Re:Why I left by lymond01 · · Score: 1

      It's absolutely ridiculous that they are upgrading multiple markets around the country and the nations capital is still getting a pittance

      I wonder how many times a day that sentence is repeated in various venues by the citizens of DC?

    5. Re:Why I left by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should just be glad you have an option for 4g at all.
      I bought a phone that was 4g capable. I bought it with the understanding (store sales guy) that 4g was already being tested in my area and all I had to do was "turn it on", 1.5 years later, a tornado tears down the cell towers in my area, sprint stands up more 3g towers.
      That's right, even when insurance was paying, Sprint refused to install 4g towers in my area. Atter that, when my contract was up, I left and went to t-mobile. I've had 4g service since.

      I was a customer for almost 10 years when I left, charging me for "Premium Data" and then offering speeds that my 56K modem could match is NOT acceptable. Side note, the Premium Data charge was originally called something specific to 4g services, they renamed it when people (including myself) started calling asking why they're paying for 4g service when 4g isn't available to them. These charges only hit my bill for the final 2 years of service (and afte rme calling every month questioning it)

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    6. Re:Why I left by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'm one of the Sprint leavers. Here's what happened in my case:

      The Phoenix area is horribly neglected by Sprint. The quality of service continues to drop, and they've been promising Phoenix customers that 4g is just a few months away for the last few years. Their 3g service barely comes in at dialup speeds, and when your phone needs to do something as simple as say update an app, the phone has to burn through its battery for about a half hour for even the smaller apps just to struggle to get data. This happens with pretty much every phone model out there because the data services are so horrible. In spite of these horribly bad data rates, just the mere fact that you own a smart phone they label the service as "premium data" and charge an extra $10 per month per phone. Their excuse is that because you own a smartphone, you'll use more data, ignoring the fact that their data is so horribly slow and wasteful on battery that you always end up relying on wifi anyways.

      I got out of my Sprint contract by doing the roaming trick, and so have a lot of Sprint customers:

      http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=229968

      T-mobile service is by far superior, by the way. Not only is it a third the price (T-mobile costs me $115 after taxes for 5 lines unlimited everything, sprint was $300 for 1500 shared minutes,) but the data services are reliable and fast as hell compared to Sprint. Sure it's not unlimited 4g, but if I pay that extra $10 Sprint was charging anyways it becomes unlimited 4g. However I find that I don't ever go above my limit anyways, so it doesn't matter, and even if I did there's never any data overage, it just goes to Edge speeds which are still MUCH faster than Sprint's 3g. T-mobile also has two (free) options you can add to your lines to completely block third party billing (from text services, 900 numbers, etc) as well as all international text/calls. Every month I had to call Sprint to fix some overage they did in error or sometimes getting signed up for a text spam service, whereas with T-Mobile I've never had to do that. Not once.

      Another nice thing about t-mobile is it supports the HD Voice feature of my Nexus 4, and in addition to that when somebody calls me it actually rings immediately, whereas with Sprint the other person can hear up to four rings before my phone finally rang, often causing me to miss their call to voicemail. That and Sprint dropped calls like crazy, and when I confronted them about it they told me that their systems measured my quality of service to be 100% - and get this, when I was on the phone with the CSR, my call was dropped, and she actually called me back and then played stupid like it wasn't their problem.

      I honestly have no idea how the hell Sprint intends to last long term. I'm rather shocked that they are a more popular carrier than t-mobile as their service is so much worse and by far more expensive. Plus it seems that T-Mobile has already reached 160m pop with their LTE coverage, whereas Sprint just reached 200m and they've been at it longer.

      If you read between the lines of Sprint's SEC filings, their current plan is to keep revenues up by increasing the fees that each subscriber pays. They noted that in a previous filing by saying that over the last year their customers pay an average of $2 per month more than they did a year earlier, which was their way of sustaining themselves in the face of heavy subscriber losses. They do this in various ways, one way is by scaling back subscriber discounts, notice how they got rid of their premier program and they reworked their billing system so that discounts only apply to a single line instead of the whole account like every other carrier does, and lately they've been cutting people off of their discounts entirely (you now have to go through a periodic renewal process every so often.)

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    7. Re:Why I left by phaggood · · Score: 1

      How do you get unlimited for $115? I can't find anything but $40/pp on their site; for my four household users that's $160/mo.

    8. Re:Why I left by evilviper · · Score: 1

      A) Your experience is hyper-local. There will always be some markets where one carrier has bad coverage. T-Mobile has extremely poor coverage in many, many more places than Sprint.

      B) That forum post you linked to about roaming actually says Sprint's coverage in Phoenix is pretty good... Quite the opposite of your statement.

      C) If you want to know Sprint's future, you should search for their "Network Vision" plan they've talked about extensive. Sprint is really set to leap-frog the other 3 carriers on LTE service area and particularly indoor and fringe coverage.

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    9. Re:Why I left by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >

      There are large areas of the country where Sprint has full coverage, while T-Mobile has little or no coverage. (For example, note the big white holes in T-Mobile's coverage map of Ohio, while Sprint service covers those areas.) Although those areas are not densely populated, anyone who regularly visits or passes through them would not be served well by T-Mobile's service.

      This is mostly due to Sprint's ability to roam onto Verizon when needed (which has the best network coverage in rural areas).

    10. Re:Why I left by EmperorArthur · · Score: 1

      It's unlimited in that they drop him to Edge speeds if he goes over. It costs $20/line for unlimited 4G. Which is still the best deal going. Sprint probably just cuts users off, and other carriers start charging per MiB.

      https://www.t-mobile.com/cell-phone-plans?cm_mmc_o=VzbpjmwzygtCjC-czywEwllCjCVzbpjmwzygtCjCVzbpjmwzygt

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    11. Re:Why I left by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am in the DC NVA area and have been a Sprint customer for over 10 years. I don't use 4G because I am rarely in an area that has it and when I do and I'm not stationary, it comes in and out to much so it ends up being worse then 3G so I stick with 3G and it's not too bad and good enough for everything I do.
      The price? I have unlimited everything on four phones and pay $195/month after taxes. I can't get anything close to that price on any other carrier or with a a pay as you go so I stick with Sprint. I don;t get phone directly from Sprint either, I wait 3-6 months after release and get them on Ebay for about 1/3 of the original price and I don't have to renew my contract..

    12. Re:Why I left by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 1

      I forgot to add I have a veterans discount of 15%. There's discounts for all kinds of stuff with t-mobile, they tend to vary between 5% and 27%.

      The base cost is $80 for the first two lines, $10 each for the remaining 3 for a total of $110. Subtract the 15% from that, then add 18% for AZ taxes.

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    13. Re:Why I left by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 1

      A) Cell phone company experiences always vary based on location. Generally the best coverage comes from Verizon, but if you live in a major city you shouldn't run into problems with any major carrier.

      B) While Phoenix has "ok" regular coverage, their data rates are horrible and 4g practically doesn't exist. I don't really need to explain this - go look at their LTE coverage maps, and go to clear.com and look at the Phoenix maps for wimax. There are a few "spots" where clearwire is broadcasting a wimax signal, but it probably covers maybe 3% of the valley. And then there is no LTE for Sprint, period. In fact, Sprint is the ONLY carrier with no 4g coverage to speak of. Yet, even the smaller MVNO's that don't run on the Sprint network have 4g. Phoenix is one of the largest wireless markets in the US, (it's the 6th largest city in the US too) so that's just downright pathetic.

      C) Sprint's "Network Vision" has earned the reputation of being called the "coming soon" network. This talking point has been repeated by them for over three years now, and what has happened is the following: The areas they do cover they don't cover very well. They have 4g "islands" that are discontiguous and call that full coverage. A former Sprint employee who now works for a company that does signal auditing of some kind called them out on this - he said something to the effect that where normal carriers do a soft launch (i.e. turning on services but maintain that they are officially unavailable because they haven't conjoined them and properly tested them yet) whereas Sprint typically calls their soft launch a full launch and just leaves it alone once it reaches the point that some people in some areas can have services, even though there are lots of dead spots.

      Sprint isn't going to leapfrog anybody. They've been deploying LTE for a long time now and their rollout is going at what is by far the slowest pace. T-mobile only started 4 months ago and they've already almost caught up with Sprint in terms of soft launch - if anything, T-Mobile is leaping ahead of Sprint already, and Sprint is destined to be in last place by the end of the year if things continue at the current rate.

      Now keep in mind, t-mobile already has much larger 4g coverage than Sprint through its HSPA, and also keep in mind that Sprint was the very first company to technically offer 4g. Given that Sprint started first, and they're already dead last in aggregate 4g coverage and data rates, goes to show you just how horribly they are executing their "network vision" plan.

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    14. Re:Why I left by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 1

      Oh, plus the fixed FCC fees which I don't remember at the moment. It's $115 and some change.

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    15. Re:Why I left by evilviper · · Score: 1

      also keep in mind that Sprint was the very first company to technically offer 4g. Given that Sprint started first, and they're already dead last in aggregate 4g coverage and data rates, goes to show you just how horribly they are executing their "network vision" plan.

      You're being very dishonest with the wording here. Yes, they started deploying WiMax before anyone else, but it's pretty easy to see (once you stop glossing over the IMPORTANT details) why they're behind, having to START OVER with LTE covering THE SAME AREAS AGAIN.

      I don't know what it is you've really got against Sprint (or have got in favor of T-Mobile) but you're showing an incredible bias, and are twisting the facts to suit your world view.

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    16. Re:Why I left by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 1

      well to be fair, Sprint had ridiculously bad coverage BEFORE WiMax. And you know what? the WiMax debacle only proves his point. Why didn't Verizon do WiMax? Or did they, but didn't really advertise it because it wasn't market ready?

      Seems like Sprint jumped on WiMax because they needed *something* to offset the lack of coverage...and got burned by advancing tech. That still screams bad planning since they had to bet the farm on WiMax and are continually playing catchup.

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    17. Re:Why I left by evilviper · · Score: 1

      Actually, Sprint's iDEN coverage was always GREAT. It's their CDMA coverage that wasn't as deep, and that's mostly because of the higher frequencies they had to use, where other carriers had ~800MHz frequencies to use. But having to maintain two entirely separate networks was expensive.

      Why didn't Verizon do WiMax? Or did they, but didn't really advertise it because it wasn't market ready?

      No, Verizon never deployed WiMax. You'd have to ask them why. Presumably, they were watching the still developing LTE standard process, and decided to wait for it to be completed, rather than adopting WiMax.

      Seems like Sprint jumped on WiMax because they needed *something* to offset the lack of coverage

      That's purely your imagination. No doubt Sprint wanted a jump-start on the competition to develop 4G, and it was only when all other US carriers chose LTE that they realized their WiMax network would be a disadvantage. With 2G and 3G networks, it wasn't an issue that US carriers all chose different and incompatible standards, but with everyone going to LTE, compatibility now matters.

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    18. Re:Why I left by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and t-mobile did a restart as well. They were going all HSPA, and then started rolling out LTE. And as I said, their LTE deployment is already going at a much faster pace than Sprint.

      And bias? Yeah probably. I was with Sprint for 10 years, and during the last two their service was just downright crap. Of course I'm going to be biased, because I've experienced first hand just how bad they are, and how in spite of being with sprint a VERY long time, they were treating me like crap by constantly raising my rates even though I was on a contract where supposedly your rates can't go up, and as their service degraded their CSR's just plain didn't give a crap either. And likewise, I've experienced first hand how much better t-mobile is - never seen a price hike even WITHOUT a contract, and they provide features for free that sprint doesn't even offer for the purpose of making sure I never get strange charges.

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    19. Re:Why I left by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 1

      Or perhaps Sprint just figured all that customers really care about is that it has the 4g sticker on it, an assumption they now still make. One of the big problems with their wimax implementation was that it is at a higher frequency, so penetration is crap. Much in the same, they now maintain an LTE network with the lowest reliability, highest number of dead spots, and slowest data rates (mainly due to a crappy backhaul.)

      http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/sprints-lte-rollout-hampered-lack-backhaul-and-network-vision-issues/2013-07-24

      Once again, their current strategy is hoping that the customers notice the "4g" sticker and don't realize how bad the service is before getting locked in. Or rather, that is part of it. The other part is doing whatever they can to make existing contract subscribers pay more - the SEC filings themselves even state that as being their plan for keeping revenues up in fact.

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    20. Re:Why I left by evilviper · · Score: 1

      they now maintain an LTE network with the lowest reliability, highest number of dead spots, and slowest data rates

      All of which they are aggressively working on. Yet again, see: Network Vision

      It's to be expected after they restarted their 4G deployment from scratch after all others, after WiMax proved to be undesirable.

      The other part is doing whatever they can to make existing contract subscribers pay more - the SEC filings themselves even state that as being their plan for keeping revenues up in fact.

      Verizon has announced the same strategy, so I don't see why you keep harping on Sprint. Rate increases are to be expected, in the face of inflation and whatnot.

      Sprint has a larger portion of their customers on pre-paid services, which will not be affected.

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    21. Re:Why I left by evilviper · · Score: 1

      And just how long have you been on T-Mobile, that you're now prepared to say you won't EVER see rate hikes, hidden fees, or degraded service, as you EVENTUALLY did with Sprint?

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    22. Re:Why I left by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 1

      All of which they are aggressively working on. Yet again, see: Network Vision

      And see the article I linked. It's not the only one that explains why Network Vision is more hype than promise and has been poorly executed the entire time.

      Verizon has announced the same strategy, so I don't see why you keep harping on Sprint. Rate increases are to be expected, in the face of inflation and whatnot.

      Verizon can get away with it because they actually have a very robust infrastructure to back it up. Sprint does not, hence they are literally losing customers by the millions. T-mobile on the other hand is doing a much better job of building out their infrastructure while actually lowering prices, and meanwhile they are also gaining subscribers by the hundreds of thousands per month.

      There tend to be two worlds here in the subscribers mind:
      Verizon: Expensive as hell, but you're covered basically everywhere you go so its worth it.
      T-mobile: Coverage not so great, but areas that are served are served very well, the price is a great value, and there are no data overages.

      And then there's this:

      Sprint: Costs as much, possibly more than Verizon, coverage isn't as good, and even where it is covered the service is spotty. Sure it's got unlimited data, but it's too slow and unreliable so what good is it?

      Given the above two alternatives, why would anybody go with Sprint? Hence sprint is hemorrhaging customers.

      Don't take my word for all of this, don't even take the article's word for it, just look at the SEC filings.

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    23. Re:Why I left by evilviper · · Score: 1

      Sprint isn't remotely as expensive as Verizon. That's idiotic. They're generally HALF the price.

      And with the much lower monthly fee of Sprint, you still get the same coverage as Verizon, because you can roam onto Verizon's network wherever necessary.

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  3. t-mobile is the best low cost carrier by alen · · Score: 1

    i'm on AT&T but looking to go to T-mo next year because the prices are actually cheaper. sure you get less LTE data, but i don't care. i have wifi at home and work. and LTE is more hype than anything else. i have two LTE phones i use daily and the real speeds are a lot slower because most of the content is virtualized and clouded to the point where the source is a lot slower than LTE
    Sprint costs just as much as AT&T and Verizon and their data speed is too slow for what you pay

    the unlimited data fiends who stream netflix/youtube/pandora 24x7 are a niche market and a small minority of the total smart phone user population

    1. Re:t-mobile is the best low cost carrier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone doesn't know about republic wireless.

      $20 a month for unlimitted data,text&talk. There's of course, only one phone available, and they strongly encourage you to use wifi instead of cell service when possible. But if you can get over those hicups as I have you laugh at the ridiculous rates other people pay. (Also, leaving is free)

    2. Re:t-mobile is the best low cost carrier by fermion · · Score: 1

      I have looked at T-mobile, and for what I have it does not seem that much better. For one thing they say unlimited night and weekends, but it does not say it voice minutes are unlimited. I am on legacy rollover, so some months I use more, others I use less, and it tends to balance out. Coverage is an issue. I have devices for ATT, Verizon and Sprint. Where I am, ATT and Verizon are now the same, but I do travel to places where the ATT coverage is worse. Sprint coverage for 4G/LTE is spotty at best. I have tried them twice in past, and still have a situation where I can use it if I pay a monthly fee, but pretty much I don't since coverage is basically non existence.

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    3. Re:t-mobile is the best low cost carrier by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Sprint costs just as much as AT&T and Verizon and their data speed is too slow for what you pay

      This - it applies to coverage too. Here Verizon has good coverage, AT&T unreliable, and Sprint only has a few towers. I can't think of any good reason to go with Sprint. If they had made WiMax work, then perhaps it could have happened, but they need to do more than offer 'unlimited' data to win customers. 'Unlimited data' would get me over to them _if_ the other problems were solved.

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    4. Re:t-mobile is the best low cost carrier by alen · · Score: 3, Insightful

      nope, need to have an iphone and want a full GSM network so i can buy any GSM unlocked phone in the future

      i have an iphone 5 i'm looking to keep for 3-4 years and every phone after that i'll pay full price and keep 3-4 years. no reason to upgrade every 1-2 years anymore

    5. Re:t-mobile is the best low cost carrier by alen · · Score: 1

      the new plans are unlimited minutes and texts. 500mb of LTE data going up to 2GB and unlimited if you pay more. data is unlimited but you are throttled after the first 500MB or 2GB which is a no biggie since i use less than 1GB most months

    6. Re:t-mobile is the best low cost carrier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I predict you won't be keeping that iPhone 5 past 2013 (you'll have to have the new one when it comes out.) Just watch...

    7. Re:t-mobile is the best low cost carrier by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      There's of course, only one phone available

      I'm willing to pay $199 for the phone, but is it my phone on Republic? Can I load CM10 on it and still use their WiFi routing app? Do they roam over to Verizon when the Sprint CDMA network is unavailable?

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    8. Re:t-mobile is the best low cost carrier by alen · · Score: 1

      i can do the same on t-mobile for about the same price and pay less every month

    9. Re:t-mobile is the best low cost carrier by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

      i have two LTE phones i use daily and the real speeds are a lot slower because most of the content is virtualized and clouded to the point where the source is a lot slower than LTE

      This is the part a lot of people don't get. Once we got to 3G and 4G, the limiting factor often wasn't the mobile network anymore - it was the server at the other end.

      But people love posting those screenshots from their speed test app that show 70Mbps...

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    10. Re:t-mobile is the best low cost carrier by Mordok-DestroyerOfWo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Caveat: As always, YMMV. I went over on my T-Mobile data a few months ago while at a conference. To my surprise even at 5GB I wasn't throttled. When I got back to my hometown I walked into one of their stores while my wife was shopping and asked them about it. The answer I got was that they reserve the right to throttle if you go over and that it's not an automatic thing. I have no idea if this is correct since in my experience salespeople are about as ill-informed as viewers of Fox News, but it is something to think about.

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    11. Re:t-mobile is the best low cost carrier by healyp · · Score: 1
      I would check the local coverage maps before you make that decision. I have T-Mobile and their coverage is still awful outside of the big cities.

      They are by far the cheapest big name provider. I have a $30 unlimited data/text + 100 voice minute pre-paid plan. At .10/min after that you could go over by another 150 minutes and still come in cheaper than the next cheapest option, or supplement with Hangouts/Skype/etc. and not go over at all.

      None of the other providers comes close to the price, I have a Nexus 4 so I only have GSM to choose from AT&T's offering is not unlimited, it only includes 2GB of (if you don't add any more with a data package) and that's $60/mo, A comparable Simple Mobile plan(unlimited, first 4GB at 4G) it's $60 Straight Talk has an "unlimited web access" plan for $45, still more expensive than the $30 with T-Mo.

      But again, my phone becomes almost completely unusable anywhere outside of the NYC Metro or inside a big building since the T-Mo frequencies don't penetrate buildings well.

    12. Re:t-mobile is the best low cost carrier by Andrio · · Score: 1

      I'm on T-Mobile and I'm pretty happy. The lack of LTE is meaningless when you have HSPA+.

      My very first day on T-Mobile, I did a speedtest in my home. 12Mbps on cellular data. My jaw dropped, especially after having been with Sprint for nearly two years.

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    13. Re:t-mobile is the best low cost carrier by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      Unless you need to use it.

      I switched back from T-Mobile to Sprint after finding my phone would only work in cities. Anywhere on the highway between places nothing.

    14. Re:t-mobile is the best low cost carrier by charles2678 · · Score: 2

      Unlimited data (5GB at 4G speeds) on T-Mobile is $30/month, it's compatible with Nexus phone hardware, and I don't have to worry about getting kicked off for using too much. I know about Republic Wireless -- and very intentionally choose not to use them.

    15. Re:t-mobile is the best low cost carrier by cbhacking · · Score: 1

      No, that's about right. I only ever got throttled once or twice on my old "unlimited" plan, and I consistently use about 1-3GB (hooray streaming music).

      Something people here haven't been mentioning: if you pay an extra $20/month, you get "true" unlimited data - no throttling at all.

      Also, your high-speed data cap also counts as a tethered data cap. So normally you get up to 500MB tethering/month included. If you spend the extra $10 per 2GB extra high-speed data, you also get an extra 2GB of tethered data (per $10). The $20 for unlimited high-speed is a flat-rate deal that doesn't apply to the tethering cap, though.

      It's still an excellent deal, and they are not, generally, complete dicks about things.

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    16. Re:t-mobile is the best low cost carrier by bberens · · Score: 2

      Try Straight talk. It's Wal-Mart's rebranded service provided by either T-Mobile or ATT (you choose which type of SIM you want). The tricky point is you don't get roaming like you would have included with T-Mobile or ATT proper. Based on where I live, work, and mostly travel the T-Mobile SIM works great for me. $45/mo unlimited talk, text, and web on HSPA+. They did call me and fuss at me for data usage once, but it was pretty egregious.. I think I downloaded like 20-30GB one month :-/

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    17. Re:t-mobile is the best low cost carrier by Hydian · · Score: 2

      I saved a lot of money by switching back to Sprint from Verizon and Verizon cost me a lot more when I initially switched away from Sprint even with a corporate discount.

      Coverage...it all depends upon where you are. My personal phone is Sprint and my Blackberry is Verizon. I travel a lot and in my purely anecdotal experience the Sprint phone has had slightly better coverage with fewer dropped call issues. I can't say which is better for data because I don't use my Blackberry for many data tasks and frankly, 3G is fast enough for most tasks that you perform on a phone anyway.

    18. Re:t-mobile is the best low cost carrier by jittles · · Score: 1

      Try Straight talk. It's Wal-Mart's rebranded service provided by either T-Mobile or ATT (you choose which type of SIM you want). The tricky point is you don't get roaming like you would have included with T-Mobile or ATT proper. Based on where I live, work, and mostly travel the T-Mobile SIM works great for me. $45/mo unlimited talk, text, and web on HSPA+. They did call me and fuss at me for data usage once, but it was pretty egregious.. I think I downloaded like 20-30GB one month :-/

      StraightTalk is always ATT service. Walmart Family Mobile is the T-mobile service plan offered by Walmart. WFM is not really any cheaper than T-mobile's new plans, either. I just moved from WFM to T-mobile

    19. Re:t-mobile is the best low cost carrier by lytles · · Score: 1

      i've been doing t-mobile prepaid for the last several years with google voice being my primary number. when i started with t-mobile they allowed a la carte data, but have since switched to a $2 per day (or $3 for 3g) plan, and the coverage seems to have gotten worse (living in northern ohio). i need data but in very small doses - primarily for google voice to sync sms (voice calls go thru the cell network) - have wifi at the house/office/bar

      i just switched to airvoice, an at&t mvno - data is $0.33 per MB, and the coverage has been much better. phone is a nexus s, which has the t-mobile 3g freqs, so i'm limited to 2g on at&t. thinking that my costs will end up being on the order of $3-10 per month, but has the potential to blow up if i don't keep track of when i'm using mobile data

      ridiculous to be paying $300 per GB, but with so little competition for the low end it's the best that i could do

    20. Re:t-mobile is the best low cost carrier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "(hooray streaming music)"

      Really? I'm glad the folks who gobble up bandwidth for steaming music, kitten videos, tethering, etc move to a different carrier. There are a LOT of products out there for queuing up entertainment without squandering radio spectrum.

    21. Re:t-mobile is the best low cost carrier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NO, Straight Talk is NOT always AT&T service. Straight Talk is rebranded Net10 and it can be either Tmobile or AT&T.

    22. Re:t-mobile is the best low cost carrier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're a fucking moron. This isn't 1998.

    23. Re:t-mobile is the best low cost carrier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. He IS a fucking moron. I wish I had some mod points left.

    24. Re:t-mobile is the best low cost carrier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sir better lube up and get some knee pads...sounds like rape in the works.

    25. Re:t-mobile is the best low cost carrier by bittmann · · Score: 1

      StraightTalk is almost never ATT service anymore - you can't even order a StraightTalk AT&T SIM kit nowadays (unless you pay a premium on eBay, I suppose). Interestingly enough: You can get a couple of different SmartTalk smartphones that are activated on the Verizon network.

    26. Re:t-mobile is the best low cost carrier by jittles · · Score: 1

      StraightTalk is almost never ATT service anymore - you can't even order a StraightTalk AT&T SIM kit nowadays (unless you pay a premium on eBay, I suppose). Interestingly enough: You can get a couple of different SmartTalk smartphones that are activated on the Verizon network.

      Huh. That must be new. Of course I haven't looked at WFM/STraightTalk for like a year now.

    27. Re:t-mobile is the best low cost carrier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Verizon was pretty good until they dicked me over on a bill. Then I ditched them. T-Mobile has been okay, as long as you're in the city it's great, on the road can be touch and go, but I don't do that very often anyway. I'll take the 90% case with a 30% cost in monthly bill.

    28. Re:t-mobile is the best low cost carrier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually it's $20, $50 for unlimited voice and text.

    29. Re:t-mobile is the best low cost carrier by Yeechang+Lee · · Score: 1
    30. Re: t-mobile is the best low cost carrier by EGSonikku · · Score: 1

      T-Mobile does have a true unlimited data plan (no throttling).

      I'm paying $98/month (which includes $20/month for a no-contract iPhone 5) for unlimited talk/text/data, full device insurance, and their Jump upgrade plan that allows for phone upgrades every 6 months.

      I live in Reno and LTE data speed is usually between 20 - 33 Mbps download and ~8 Mbps upload.

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    31. Re: t-mobile is the best low cost carrier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's strange. My Walmart sells the StraightTalk phones for the Verizon network.

  4. Where they fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Its a great service as long as don't plan on using it like a phone and receive calls

    1. Re:Where they fail by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      Who does that anymore?

      My last month had 23 minutes, and I use my phone as a work and personal phone.

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    2. Re:Where they fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      23 minutes because the sprint phone never let you take a call?

    3. Re:Where they fail by alen · · Score: 1

      sounds like sprint to me

    4. Re:Where they fail by SJHillman · · Score: 1

      I'm on Virgin Mobile, owned by Sprint. On an average month, I use less than 10 minutes for phone calls. I use it considerably more for email and texting, and fairly often for web and remote desktop. If Verizon or ATT offered anything remotely similar to Virgin's $45 unlimited data, I'd jump in a heartbeat just for the better coverage. But until they do, cost is king and I'll stick with Virgin.

    5. Re:Where they fail by bonehead · · Score: 1

      Sounds about right...

      Where I live, in order to make a phone call I have to go outside and walk a few hundred yards. From that location (hope it's not raining) I have a clear line of sight to a sprint tower less than a mile away. It's still hit or miss whether my call will go through.

      As for unlimited data, it's easy to see how they can offer that. I could tether to my laptop and download as fast as possible 24/7 for an entire month, and a quick, back-of-envelope calculation tells me I would still come nowhere close to where other carriers are capped at.

      For the first time since I've been a cellular customer, I am actually *happy* when I see the roaming icon pop up on my phone, because that's the only time it works worth a shit.

      Switching carriers on Friday, and they can shove their ETF up their ass.

    6. Re:Where they fail by chmod+a+x+mojo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Verizon shot themselves in the ass. They had unlimited data, then got rid of it. Eventually if you had unlimited data you got to keep it while new customers didn't have the option. Then they even got rid of that, to keep your unlimited data you had to buy a phone outright ( and this is even after they got rid of the "new every 2" ~$50 bonus when upgrading)... after buying one phone outright on my old contract I contacted customer support to inquire about keeping my unlimited data. Basically was told to fuck off, and pay more for a lot LESS data even though the absolute highest I ever used was 5.5GB one month. Told CS to shove it up their ass since I was a loyal - pretty much perfect, since my bill was paid on time every time- customer for ~10-12 years .

      Ported to another carrier in less than two hours, got enough data with equivalent minutes for ~$20/Month cheaper to not worry, and haven't looked back. If they had worked with me as a loyal customer I would still be with them, and it's stupid... it's much much MUCH more cost effective to keep a good customer than it is to try and get a new one.

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    7. Re:Where they fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even that is questionable. I bump into significant coverage holes in Las Vegas. The coverage is just poor enough to keep the phone 'locked' to the Sprint signal rather than roaming to (presumably) Verizon. When I do roam in those areas, I get nice consistent calling.

    8. Re:Where they fail by Insightfill · · Score: 1

      Ported to another carrier in less than two hours, got enough data with equivalent minutes for ~$20/Month cheaper to not worry, and haven't looked back. If they had worked with me as a loyal customer I would still be with them, and it's stupid... it's much much MUCH more cost effective to keep a good customer than it is to try and get a new one.

      So: who did you go to?

    9. Re:Where they fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Verizon shot me in the ass so I went with Virgin (AKA) Sprint. For the most part I get what I pay for. Service is sketchy in a few areas but I have had great service at home. I don't give a rats sphincter about 4G at this time since is sucks juice like guzzling beer. All and all my phone has not crashed like the verizon droids did and the service has been OK. Until a power outage killed the tower as many other services saw network drop outs. Now five days with that tower out and limping on a few remote towers I hope they don't go teets up.

    10. Re:Where they fail by mrscorpio · · Score: 2

      I don't think you had to buy the phone outright. I watched this policy evolve and basically it came down to any phone activated after (IIRC) 6/29/12 must choose a different plan, no more grandfathering you in. Up until that point I had used my new every 2 discounts and kept my grandfathered unlimited data, but seeing that the end was near and being eligible for an upgrade, I took my upgrade, sat on it for a while, and activated it the week before the end date. Since this is also now one of the few phones out there with a physical keyboard (Motorola Droid 4), I have two reasons to hold on to this phone as long as possible. It's actually pretty buggy and terrible (had to RMA it immediately and am on my second one, actually), but better than the alternative for me, which is paying way more for less data with Verizon, a bit more for less data with someone else, or similar cost keeping unlimited with a terrible network in Sprint. Hopefully by the time I'm due to upgrade again (next summer), this will all be sorted out in some way (phones, plans, AND networks).

    11. Re:Where they fail by chmod+a+x+mojo · · Score: 2

      I went to U.S. Cellular, I had had them before switching to Verizon years and years ago ( was the cheaper one at the time). With 4G coming to my area forecast for ~October I will be able to get unlimited data again and save an extra $10 a month from what I have now. Breakdown:

      Verizon - had more minutes that I never used ( 750, used on average 40 minutes during the day when it wasn't free night + weekends / month ) unlimited data - had to root to wifi tether - USB tethering was "free" on Motorola phones but locked on samsung, no equip insurance, 200 texts. Cost ~130 / month. PROS: Customer service was quick to answer whenever I called in.

      USC - less minutes that I will never use up ( 450, but all incoming calls free, rest of family is on USC so calls are free) 5GB data / month WITH tethering, do have equip insurance, unlimited text / MMS. Cost $105 / month. When 4G comes to my area it will SAVE me money getting unlimited data, cost will go down to $95 / month. CONS: Customer service is a bit harder to get a hold of since they seem to be a lot busier than Verizon.

      Surprisingly 3G is equivalent to Verizon in my area and voice is actually better.

      As an added bonus I get unlimited text / multimedia messaging for free. I never used that many texts so only had the 200 pack from Verizon. Not a big deal but it is kind of nice not to be raped for something that basically costs the carrier nothing. So far I have no real complaints.

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    12. Re:Where they fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Huh? My plan hasn't changed at all in the almost-4 years that I've had unlimited data. I've even gone to their account page to see if downgrading my plan would save me some money, but my current plan is already cheaper than anything else on there. I've been saying that the day they try to take my unlimited data is the day I change carriers on principle, but they haven't touched my account at all.

    13. Re:Where they fail by chmod+a+x+mojo · · Score: 1

      That is basically what I am saying. You have to buy a phone outright at full cost and activate it on the line without updating your contract, even if your "contract" is over and you are on month to month. I had to do this about a year ago to keep my unlimited data, but my phone recently went south, hence the move since I didn't want to pay another $650-700 for a new phone. Unless you are saying that you can't even do that any more.... I would have left anyways then, but been even more irked at VZW.

      As a side note, there apparently is / was a way to get a subsidized phone and keep unlimited data, but it requires adding a line and a bunch of hoops in activating the phones in just the right order with metered data on the unused line. It seemed like too much of a hassle and would have upped my bill by at least $10 / month.

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    14. Re:Where they fail by mcrbids · · Score: 1

      I'm an ex Verizon customer as well. If they hadn't just made up fees to put on my bill, I'd have happily paid their stiff phone prices. Switched to Metro PCS, saving money to not worry; never going back!

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  5. Carrier Lock Not That Big An Issue by adisakp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While slashdot users may like to complain about carrier locking, your average US consumer doesn't really care. Why?

    Because they typically get a discounted or free phone that locks them into a 2 year contract anyhow. And by the time 2 years are up, they want a new phone anyhow.

    1. Re:Carrier Lock Not That Big An Issue by adisakp · · Score: 1

      It's like the whole thing where slashdot complained about "open" MP3's vs iTunes DRM. But consumers will pick whatever is better and easier.

      For cell phones, if the the data rate is slow or service sucks they will leave as soon as their 2 year contract is up. If service and data are awesome, they will stay.

      It has very little to do with iPhones being locked. How many people want to use a 3 year old iPhone when you're at least 2 models behind and a 3rd is about to be released?

    2. Re:Carrier Lock Not That Big An Issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually that's untrue -- US consumers are rapidly adopting pre-paid plans.

    3. Re:Carrier Lock Not That Big An Issue by tech.kyle · · Score: 1

      While slashdot users may like to complain about carrier locking, your average US consumer doesn't really care. Why? Because they typically get a discounted or free phone that locks them into a 2 year contract anyhow. And by the time 2 years are up, they want a new phone anyhow.

      I've found it's not uncommon for people to upgrade at full price (or used price), their "old" phone now up for sale. Alternatively, some people use their phone for more than two years (my account has a few extra lines with basic flip phones) and it's not uncommon to extend the contract, purchase a heavily discounted phone and immediately sell it for near full price to help offset the cost of the line (if not for profit).

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    4. Re:Carrier Lock Not That Big An Issue by TheNinjaroach · · Score: 1

      I agree with you that most people won't care. However, if that were my iPhone 5, I would have sued Sprint immediately had they refused to unlock it.

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    5. Re:Carrier Lock Not That Big An Issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      How many people want to use a 3 year old iPhone when you're at least 2 models behind and a 3rd is about to be released?

      Me. Honestly I'm tired of my "Smart Phone". I never use apps anymore and only occasionally use it for surfing (I hate mobile sites...seriously the only reason I bought an iPhone in the first place was so I could surf "real" websites). I pretty much use it for making and (gasp) receiving calls. I never bought into Siri and all my friends that rushed out to buy a new phone just for Siri used it for a few weeks and now never use it. They're phones, stop trying to make them into tiny computers that only consume mindless data.
       

    6. Re:Carrier Lock Not That Big An Issue by alen · · Score: 1

      most of us don't have ADHD or other mental issues where the simplest thing annoys us and causes us to switch a carrier

      i remember having a cell phone before number portability. it was predicted that lots of people would switch carriers, the opposite happened. a few crazy people switched carriers. a few others who live in a bad service area for that carrier did as well. most stayed since there was no point in switching.

      same with 2 year contracts. if i had to pay $500 for a cell phone and the service i would just keep my home phone and not get a cell phone. but a cheapo cell and slightly more expensive service makes it worth it to dump my home phone

    7. Re:Carrier Lock Not That Big An Issue by jdunn14 · · Score: 1

      stop trying to make them into tiny computers that only consume mindless data.

      Yeah, that's what an iPad is for!

    8. Re:Carrier Lock Not That Big An Issue by sjames · · Score: 1

      That explains the commercials where the lady checks in to her cell contract jail cell. It';s obviously targeted at /. readers. I had no idea we were a big enough demographic to warrant a national ad campaign in prime time.

      Perhaps others don't put 2+2 together and realize that if their phone was network portable they would have a better bargaining position to avoid the 2 year lock-ins, but that doesn't mean the issue is unimportant to them.

    9. Re:Carrier Lock Not That Big An Issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While slashdot users may like to complain about carrier locking, your average US consumer doesn't really care. Why?

      Plus most of the Carriers are incompatible at a technology level or frequency level anyway.

      Pretty much the only two you can switch between with the same phone are T-mobile and ATT (of major carriers anyway)

    10. Re:Carrier Lock Not That Big An Issue by sjames · · Score: 1

      So the 2 year loan with hidden interest and fees on $500 is the deal maker for you?

      If people typically had to pay for the phone up front (or put it on the credit card), it would probably be down to $400 or less by now.

    11. Re:Carrier Lock Not That Big An Issue by alen · · Score: 1

      with the prepaid carriers being $45 or so a month per line on average going 2 year contract was a good deal since the prepaid savings were tiny

    12. Re:Carrier Lock Not That Big An Issue by alen · · Score: 1

      for a while AT&T was at 18-20 months to upgrade so that was a nice discount compared to prepaid. now that everyone is at 24 months and the innovation in smartphones is gone, there is no reason

      i've used every version of ios and android for the last few years and the changes are minor on both camps

    13. Re:Carrier Lock Not That Big An Issue by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 1

      Most people didn't know about pre-paid yet either. There are lots of other options now and when you can look at it costing half as much, it really starts to make you question why?

      Doesn't happen overnight, but believe me, it happens.

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    14. Re:Carrier Lock Not That Big An Issue by badboy_tw2002 · · Score: 1

      I agree that Siri is a joke, but for those of us that leave the house and travel the rest is invaluable. GPS + maps + websites will find you stuff in a local area, get you directions through an unfamiliar place, etc with a minimum of fuss. Plus texting/IM is a much more efficient way of communicating for small messages and/or things you'd need to write down like addresses. And occasionally there is a work emergency to respond to, so having access to email rather than needing to find a computer makes a whole bunch of difference.

    15. Re:Carrier Lock Not That Big An Issue by bberens · · Score: 1

      I dunno what time frame you're talking about but for me pre-paid has been $40-50/mo for unlimited stuff (similar to your quote) but a comparable plan with contract was 90/mo. So even with a free iPhone or comparable device I still saved quite a bit by switching to pre-paid.

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    16. Re:Carrier Lock Not That Big An Issue by Belial6 · · Score: 0

      Well, there is your problem... Of course you are unhappy with your phone... You got an iPhone. (I kid... I kid...)

    17. Re:Carrier Lock Not That Big An Issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can do all this (GPS navigation, web, e-mail) on a feature phone. I am still using my 4 year old Nokia 6700 Classic that runs Symbian S40.

    18. Re:Carrier Lock Not That Big An Issue by Fnord666 · · Score: 1

      It has very little to do with iPhones being locked. How many people want to use a 3 year old iPhone when you're at least 2 models behind and a 3rd is about to be released?

      I just sold my old iPhone 4 for more than I paid for it after using it all throughout the subsidy, so I guess at least one person wanted it.

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    19. Re:Carrier Lock Not That Big An Issue by Fnord666 · · Score: 1

      I agree with you that most people won't care. However, if that were my iPhone 5, I would have sued Sprint immediately had they refused to unlock it.

      No, just port your number to a different provider with a new subsidy and sell off the practically new iPhone for a profit. If they try to come after you for ETF just tell them to suck it. They breached the terms of the contract, making it null and void.

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    20. Re:Carrier Lock Not That Big An Issue by Fnord666 · · Score: 1

      I dunno what time frame you're talking about but for me pre-paid has been $40-50/mo for unlimited stuff (similar to your quote) but a comparable plan with contract was 90/mo. So even with a free iPhone or comparable device I still saved quite a bit by switching to pre-paid.

      The part about the contract plan that really bites is that the rate doesn't go down once your contract is fulfilled and your subsidized phone is theoretically paid up. Unless you take some form of action, you will continue to pay that same $90/mo. I wonder how many months, on the average, customers continue to pay this high rate before getting a new subsidized phone or switching carriers.

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    21. Re:Carrier Lock Not That Big An Issue by adisakp · · Score: 1

      Also worth noting... most carriers will unlock your phone after the 2 year contract period for the subsidized phone expires.

      For example here is AT&T Unlock Support

      . If you search the websites or call sutomer service, the other major carriers do the same.

    22. Re:Carrier Lock Not That Big An Issue by badboy_tw2002 · · Score: 1

      You can make phone calls on a pay phone. You can browse the internet with a 30lb luggable. The experience gap is only going to get bigger. Can you cache the map for offline browsing? Can you do IP calls? Street view? Voicemail -> text? I couldn't when I got my smart phone. Sure, the OS dev for feature phones can do that, but I seriously doubt Symbian is going to get those updates? I'm not saying the shit is perfect, but I welcome the power and flexibility (and the updates) that smart phones, mobile apps, mobile websites/etc provide. No way I'd want to go back.

  6. the view from across the street shows... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... it is raining on the sprint campus today.

  7. Lack of upgrades? by afidel · · Score: 3, Informative

    Sprint's in the middle of a complete network overhaul (called network vision) that will bring LTE to almost every cell site by the end of 2014 while significantly upgrading both the antenna's and backhaul at most locations bringing better coverage and better speeds. It hasn't gone nearly as quickly as Sprint's original timetable laid out, but they're less than 6 months behind that fairly aggressive timetable. I know I come off sounding like fanboi but it really annoys me when people can't get their facts straight and use that lack of knowledge to tear down one of the last hopes we have for real competition in the cellphone market in the US. Not only does Sprint compete against the big boys but by being friendly to MVNO's they foster new concepts that help to drive down costs (see Virgin Mobile (now part of Sprint) and Republic Wireless for examples).

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    1. Re:Lack of upgrades? by tech.kyle · · Score: 1

      I do appreciate posts like this and I don't mean to sound rude when I say this, but source? I am, as many others are, unhappy with Verizon's practices (the network is rather good, especially compared to others in the slightly rural area where I live, but that's the extent of my like of Verizon) and would appreciate any insight as to the future of Verizon's competitors.

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    2. Re:Lack of upgrades? by dietdew7 · · Score: 3, Informative

      They haven't done a good job of informing their customers of the upgrades. I've used Sprint for over 4 years and paid for unlimited data and 4G access. Unfortunately they don't have 4G anywhere near me so I've paid for something I can't use. It also seems that 3G service has declined in the last six months, slower spotty coverage. Unless I'm on WiFi my phone is frustratingly useless.

    3. Re:Lack of upgrades? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Since all the rain here in NC, Sprint's network has gotten even worse. Ive dropped every call Ive made for the past 3 weeks. 4G seems to have vanished. I was told by a reliable source that Sprint is having issues with their equipment not being water tight and all this rain has caused them lots of problems.

    4. Re:Lack of upgrades? by bonehead · · Score: 1

      that will bring LTE to almost every cell site by the end of 2014

      I would not recommend holding your breath on that.

    5. Re:Lack of upgrades? by alen · · Score: 1

      nice, except that everyone else in the USA is already on LTE or HSPA+. been like this for years. why do we need sprint?

    6. Re:Lack of upgrades? by TerminaMorte · · Score: 1

      I'm sitting between Chicago and Milwaukee (South East Wisconsin).

      Not only did Sprint not have Wisconsin listed on their 4G website, but service around here has gotten MUCH worse in the last few months.

      I got sick of throwing away money for shit service and went to US Cellular. Awesome service/speed.

    7. Re:Lack of upgrades? by wjcofkc · · Score: 4, Informative

      Until recently, I supported smartphones at Sprint. As a consequence, I had a front row seat to the Network Vision rollout from both the strictly corporate perspective as well as from the perspective of access to a wealth of robust network analysis tools. I can tell you that it is happening as quickly as is possible. One problem for LTE rollouts regarding all carriers is the simple fact that no one predicted that all of a sudden 200+ countries would suddenly start ordering massive amounts of LTE equipment from the very few companies that sell it... so there is a run LTE equipment which has been a speed bump. However, the Network Vision rollout has a lot more going on than just the LTE rollout but I don't have time get into that. Personally, I just got Sprint LTE in my area and regularly get 30+ down and 8 - 10 up. Not bad. One thing that has been confusing for customers is the difference between Sprint's 4G WiMax and LTE. A lot of customers currently getting great WiMax coverage are buying LTE phones in areas that don't have LTE yet, not realizing there is a difference (stores should explain this better), consequently they go from 8 - 10 down and 2 - 4 up to 3g, when they call up and find out what has happened from me (formerly), it's usually too late to take the phone back at which point they get understandably upset, pay their ETF, and go to another carrier. There are other complexities as well. Also, I have a good friend who works at T-Mobile and the way they are selling phones and service now really is a sweat deal to the point I might make the switch. However, it also needs to be said that Sprint has adopted a very similar model that is taking place as a pilot program in limited areas and through stores only. I think a lot of the reason they are shedding customers is due to their aggressive marketing for 4G LTE and unlimited data. A whole lot of the country has yet to have their 4G LTE switched on, and no one cares about unlimited data over 3g, so it is kind of misleading. Another part of the problem is the way they advertise the number of cities that now have LTE, the thing there is that they are concentrating their rollouts primarily in very small towns which is an artificial way of inflating their numbers - which is also confusing for customers. Basically their rollout is on schedule but their dubious ahead-of-time marketing is killing them.

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    8. Re:Lack of upgrades? by wjcofkc · · Score: 1

      Sorry to respond to myself I would also like to point out that push to talk has been ported over to CDMA from IDEN and it works well. I at one time thought that the Nextel purchase was a dumb move, and perhaps at the time it was. The reason they are decommissioning IDEN is to free up the 850 mhz spectrum it uses... they have interesting plans for it.

      I am by no means a Sprint fanboy, just telling it like it is.

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    9. Re:Lack of upgrades? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do appreciate posts like this and I don't mean to sound rude when I say this, but source?

      For whatever it's worth, I have noticed that nobody outside Sprint knows what "Network Vision" is.

    10. Re:Lack of upgrades? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do appreciate posts like this and I don't mean to sound rude when I say this, but source? I am, as many others are, unhappy with Verizon's practices (the network is rather good, especially compared to others in the slightly rural area where I live, but that's the extent of my like of Verizon) and would appreciate any insight as to the future of Verizon's competitors.

      The way I see it goes like this:

      I switched back to T-Mobile after two miserable years with Verizon when there was a threat that T-Mobile could have been bought by AT&T. During that time I experienced terrible service indoors just about everywhere. Their 4G was no faster than T-Mobile's HSPA+ and Verizon's 3G was a joke, like max speeds of less than 1 mbps down 256kbps up.

      I've noticed that anywhere I go now that I am a T-Mobile subscriber I have a better signal in those locations than I ever remember having, the LTE is much faster but if you go to HSPA+ even with a weak signal it is still much faster than Verizon's 3G.

      So onto voice services which seems to be what everyone tries to use as their justification on why they have to put up with Verizon's BS. I'll start off by saying right now I don't care about voice service, I don't like talking to anyone on the phone, I don't care if I can talk on the phone. To me dropping down to Verizon 3G/1X or T-Mobile EDGE/GPRS is the same because at that point I have no usable data so to me that means I do not have cell service.

      Last time I traveled anywhere I went outside of the city where I had a T-Mobile EDGE signal, that would have meant I had a Verizon 3G. So even further out of civilization if I found myself without T-Mobile's signal or that of AT&T due to the failed buyout, I would have only a Verizon 1X signal which is even worse.

      I also don't buy the BS Verizon spews out on why their data costs so much. It has nothing to do with congestion and only to do with profit so again I'd much rather support the business model of T-Mobile. People can justify Verizon however they want but I think their network sucks ass, their anti-consumer stances on just about everything is terrible and the collusion in pricing with AT&T just makes it worse.

    11. Re:Lack of upgrades? by tag · · Score: 1
      Sprint: http://newsroom.sprint.com/presskits/sprint-network-vision-information-center.htm

      Virgin Mobile: http://newsroom.virginmobileusa.com/networkvision

      In a quick skim, I didn't see them say "LTE to almost every cell site" but only LTE nationwide. I hope someone can find a source for the former, because that would be good news indeed.

      I'm a VM customer for my phone & my teenager's. He's still grandfathered on the $25/mo plan - 300 minutes of talk (he averages 60), unlimited text & data.

    12. Re:Lack of upgrades? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those areas that lack 4G LTE may as well be considered 3G only areas. Few phones sold in the last 18 months come ready for WiMax, so everything is 3G.

      It's like being on any of the other carrier's networks 5 years ago with the added bonus that everyone has smartphones and the network is congested to hell and back.

      Sprint has been universally disappointing for me and their response to people's questions has been poor at best.

        My company switched our 500 phone corporate plan because Sprint was unusable around our property (Las Vegas casino), whereas every other company had adequate to great coverage. Verizon now has our business. Since the switch and experience with company phones that actually work, I personally know a dozen people who've switched from Sprint to Verizon and have remarked when asked 4-6 weeks later that they have no regrets.

      During Cisco Live, we (attendees) were invited to Orlando Studios after hours and there were few people there. I had little to no coverage on my S3 no matter where I went. My work phone had strong 4g the entire time. I had trouble in various parts of the Orange County Convention Center with Sprint, but again not Verizon. When I would find strong signal places to take/make calls, I would notice that other people were there on their phones in a loose cluster. A quick "Sprint user?" would garner bitter "Yep." and a comment about how shitty Sprint was or how soon their contract was up.

      I did get nice 4G LTE in Cocoa for the hours I was there. I think I saw the 4G icon come up in Atlanta airport, but data was unusable.

      Somehow Verizon, At&T, and T-Mobile have all managed to get working 4G LTE into markets like Reno/Sparks, NV, Biloxi/Gulfport MS; Worceste, MA; etc. while Sprint seems to have trouble making even 3G work well.

      My contract is thankfully up and I will be switching to T-Mobile. I like the ability to use my data for hotspot as well beats Sprint's unlimited data that can rarely be accessed and then only hotspotted with a $20/month fee.

    13. Re:Lack of upgrades? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who cares about 4G/LTE...all I want from Sprint is to have reliable 3G service, rather than being stuck on 1X all the time.

      I was on vacation in Chicago last summer and I added the Mobile Hotspot option to my plan so I could use the internet on my laptop. To my dismay, even though I was on the Sprint network (not roaming), my phone displayed the "1X" icon for most of my trip, giving me unbelievably slow speeds. This was in downtown Chicago, not a wilderness area somewhere.

      CAN'T WAIT until my contract is up...

    14. Re:Lack of upgrades? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And Ting! If you don't use much network resources, they've got a good deal going.

    15. Re:Lack of upgrades? by mitcheli · · Score: 1

      Yeah... I'm still waiting for the WiMax I was paying $10 a month extra for with my 4G phone that was promised about 3 years ago. It is interesting that they changed the $10 a month fee from a 4G fee to a "smartphone" fee. Think that even spawned a class action suit as a result.

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    16. Re:Lack of upgrades? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The overhaul is dragging, and quality of service has been degrading as they work through it. I bought a 4S through Sprint when they came out, and service was decent. Around the time of the iPhone 5 and the big push to 4G, I started having slower data service. It has continued to degrade steadily, and each time I call CS I am told that they are installing more towers and that quality of service will return. How long has it been since the iPhone 5 came out now? Today, Siri responds only 1/3 of the time, browsing is impossible over 3G, most calls now go directly to VM, calls drop while talking inside or outside of my home where service was once fine, and texts are often delayed several minutes. I have a family plan with 3 phones and I will be leaving Sprint the day the contract expires, November 1st. I should have paid to get out of it long ago, but you would be surprised how long one can fool themselves into thinking "They'll get these problems sorted out soon, it's too serious for them to just ignore it!"

      Sadly, my options are limited in the way of a replacement. T-Mobile doesn't have adequate coverage in my area so I either go to AT&T or back to Verizon. I'm not thrilled about the price of either one. Too bad Sprint had to screw up so royally.

      Of course when countering and going tit for tat on cell service I think geography is important: My troubles are with the North Texas area, and I sit in northern Ft. Worth, but have travelled to Houston in the last year and had poor service the entire trip.

    17. Re:Lack of upgrades? by afidel · · Score: 1

      The 850Mhz spectrum they are freeing up with the iDen shutdown will help a ton in the situations you describe (coverage in very large buildings) but it'll be a while before they have it rolled out nationwide and not many (if any) of the current phones support it so you'll have to get a new phone to take advantage.

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    18. Re:Lack of upgrades? by afidel · · Score: 1

      I agree that they've done a HORRIBLE job about keeping their customers updated, the only reason I didn't lose hope that the upgrade was ever going to get to me was this site, great technical information about the upgrade and the admins do a great job of keeping members updated on the progress of the rollout.

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    19. Re:Lack of upgrades? by trcooper · · Score: 1

      The problem is, Verizon had nearly every cell site up with LTE by the end of 2012. Two years after that Sprint might be up to that level on their smaller network, and it's not a trivial amount of time from now, we're talking 16 months. When you combine that with their failed WiMAX rollout which overcharged and ended up shafting a bunch of customers who never got the speeds they were promised when they bought their phones, their 'Network Vision' looks pretty short sighted to a customer. Why would anyone wait for sprint again when they've already been bit? For me the most important thing is a carrier's geographic coverage area, and everyone is ridiculously behind Verizon in this, and honestly I don't think they're even interested in competing. I don't like VZW and how they treat their customers one bit, but when it comes to building a network no one is at their level.

    20. Re:Lack of upgrades? by evilviper · · Score: 1

      Sprint's in the middle of a complete network overhaul (called network vision) that will bring LTE to almost every cell site by the end of 2014 while significantly upgrading both the antenna's and backhaul at most locations bringing better coverage and better speeds.

      Not only that, they're also set to leap-frog their competitors and have the deepest LTE coverage of all, perhaps surpassing even their competitors' 3G coverage.

      The difference between Verizon's coverage and Sprint's coverage was the spectrum... Verizon used their ~800MHz spectrum for their 3G radios, while Sprint had to use their 1900MHz spectrum for 3G. This is because their 800MHz spectrum was locked-up in use for 2G Nextel/iDEN. I know from experience that those Nextel/iDEN cell phones had GREAT coverage, easily matching Verizon's coverage. This becomes clear when driving through the mountains with both phones... Sprint's CDMA coverage in the same area is horrible crap.

      Now AT&T and Verizon have their ~800MHz spectrum locked-up in 3G and are using higher frequencies for LTE. But Sprint just freed-up their ~800MHz spectrum by dropping iDEN/Nextel, and they're going to use it for LTE. And not only is that on the horizon, they're doing this all within the next year. So while the big two have their LTE networks crippled by higher frequency propagation, Sprint will have great coverage that blows past both of them.

      Sprint also has the added bonus of cheap pre-paid service. For as little as $35/mo you can get this 800MHz LTE coverage through Virgin Mobile. We'll have to wait for more 800MHz LTE phones to come out, but other than that, it's a very exciting time for cell phone buyers, and Sprint.

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    21. Re:Lack of upgrades? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since you apparently work for Sprint, will Sprint issue CSIM cards if someone happens to have a CDMA phone with support? (most likely, bought in Asia or an LTE phone with CDMA support)

    22. Re:Lack of upgrades? by evilviper · · Score: 1

      One thing that has been confusing for customers is the difference between Sprint's 4G WiMax and LTE. A lot of customers currently getting great WiMax coverage are buying LTE phones in areas that don't have LTE yet, not realizing there is a difference (stores should explain this better),

      They shouldn't "explain this better" they should have make it a NON-ISSUE by offering dual WiMax/LTE phones as soon as they decided to roll-out LTE. Then Sprint could have started the LTE deployment in areas without WiMax first, and would quickly be able to claim the largest "4G" network. With WiMax they had several years head-start on their competitors, and they were too stupid to use it to their benefit. A shame, really.

      Those concerned about power usage could choose to turn of either of the radios, but the unwashed masses would just charge their phone more often, and marvel at the high data speeds and great coverage...

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    23. Re:Lack of upgrades? by evilviper · · Score: 1

      When I would find strong signal places to take/make calls, I would notice that other people were there on their phones in a loose cluster. A quick "Sprint user?" would garner bitter "Yep." and a comment about how shitty Sprint was or how soon their contract was up.

      Now imagine the situation being COMPLETELY reversed when it comes to LTE... Verizon, AT&T, and T-Mobile customers are huddling together in those clusters of phone users to get decent download speeds, while Sprint LTE customers are getting a great high-speed signal from their seats.

      That's exactly what the iDEN shut-off and Sprint's "Network Vision" roll-out will mean, and it's all happening within a year.

      Sprint's unlimited data that can rarely be accessed and then only hotspotted with a $20/month fee.

      You can use FoxFi/PDANet for tethering without paying the fee.

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    24. Re:Lack of upgrades? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I seriously doubt the other three carriers will all lose coverage to the point where signal quality holes develop in places like Orlando.

      The people in the cluster were making actual voice calls. We had all the data we could handle due to Cisco placing (hundreds?) of APs all over the convention center. BUT, I did play around at random with my Verizon phone and had high speed 4G everytime I decided to see how it works.

      The other 3 have all managed to deploy real 4G while Sprint twisted in the wind with 3G, OR rolled out WiMax instead of a long term 4G solution.
      We'll see if the PCS spectrum they free up is enough, or they begin repurposing the various bands they already have and use for 3G or WiMax. And it does appear that people who have newer phones like the S3 will not be able to use the 850mhz spectrum for data. How nice for all of those users who never got 4G on those phones to be told they have to now buy another phone to get the upgraded data.

      I do find it funny that they've also managed to alienate a significant number of business customers who really liked the Nextel/iDen Push-to-talk features. The PTT over 3G/4G is not nearly the same as the old Nextel.

    25. Re:Lack of upgrades? by HereIAmJH · · Score: 1

      They haven't done a good job of informing their customers of the upgrades.

      Are you looking for something like this? http://network.sprint.com/

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    26. Re:Lack of upgrades? by HereIAmJH · · Score: 1

      The 850Mhz spectrum they are freeing up with the iDen shutdown will help a ton

      The time to judge Sprint's coverage is next year, after they have had a chance to exploit the recent changes in their business. Shutting down iDEN frees up capital and spectrum. Being purchased by Softbank infuses a lot of new capital. And the purchase of Clearwire gives them a ton of new spectrum. With the Network Vision upgrades they have pluggable cards to support frequencies and protocols at the towers. So the 'upgrade' the upgraded towers to support 850 FDD-LTE and 2.5g TDD-LTE is a matter of plugging in two new cards. The 850 will enable them to get Verizon like coverage at a similar cost. And 2.5g in metro areas will provide access to massive data capacity in high density areas. Now their only problem will be backhaul. Sprint and T-Mobile are both at a disadvantage due to not having a Bell lineage.

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    27. Re:Lack of upgrades? by evilviper · · Score: 1

      my Verizon phone and had high speed 4G everytime I decided to see how it works.

      It's possible the building had a cellular antenna and repeater, as some do. I've maintained a few of those myself, for buildings with thick walls and no windows. They're also carrier specific, so it's pretty likely they had repeaters for AT&T and Verizon, and didn't for Sprint and probably T-Mobile...

      It's in buildings WITHOUT those amenities (which is MOST of them), that Sprint's lower frequencies will give vastly better coverage on LTE (which YES, also includes VOICE calling).

      The PTT over 3G/4G is not nearly the same as the old Nextel.

      I've never been interested in it myself, even when I had an iDEN phone, but I'd be interested in hearing what's different / missing. Sprint did spend a lot of time developing PTT for CDMA before dropping iDEN.

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  8. Failure starting at the very top by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All Sprint has to do is figure out what the hell it's doing. Is it a business carrier? Then stop marketing to consumers and switch your Sprint network over to Nextel's "beep" two way phones. Is it a traditional cellular carrier? Then stop coddling Nextel's ancient tech and figure out a way to make it work on your own network, then kill off the other standard.

    Step 2: Capital investment in major markets, fuck the burbs. 4G with unlimited data my friend, you will be making money hand over fist.

    Step 3: Pay Google to use you as the 4G carrier for their tablets.

    1. Re:Failure starting at the very top by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They just need to stop the CDMA nonsense and things will start going better.

  9. Virgin Mobile by intermodal · · Score: 1

    I'm on Virgin Mobile, which is essentially Sprint's prepaid service with no roam whatsoever. For the limited use I actually give my phone, it's mostly a safety net in case I have an emergency. At home, I use Google Voice via GrooveIP, and at work I just use the phone on my desk.

    That said, their coverage, at least out here in the country, is awful. I'm not that far from Dallas/Fort Worth, perhaps an hour on a fairly main artery. To use mobile data at the office, I have to go outside, and to use mobile data at home, I have to both go outside and be very lucky. Voice works ok in most cases, if I can get reception. Which I sometimes cannot get at all at home or the office, but on my commute is just fine.

    Spotty networks cost customers. I occasionally consider changing, but there's no particular hurry as low as my usage and need is. For $35 a month, it's about the cheapest I'm likely to find.

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  10. Hey submitter, try reading your own submission. by xigxag · · Score: 1

    From TFA: "Its [defection of] customers largely came from the Nextel side, where it lost 1.3 million customers. But Sprint's own prepaid and wholesale businesses also suffered losses. Only Sprint's core service remained in the red, adding a net 194,000 customers in the period. "

    IOW lack of upgrades and degraded service may have been problems, but they weren't the problems that led to the mass customer loss. It was Sprint shutting down PTT and former Nextel customers having no reason to stick around.

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    1. Re:Hey submitter, try reading your own submission. by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      From TFA: "Its [defection of] customers largely came from the Nextel side, where it lost 1.3 million customers. But Sprint's own prepaid and wholesale businesses also suffered losses. Only Sprint's core service remained in the red, adding a net 194,000 customers in the period. "

      Wait, what? Doesn't "in the red" mean "negative?"

    2. Re:Hey submitter, try reading your own submission. by SJHillman · · Score: 1

      Yes... yes it does. Apparently in Soviet Sprint, gaining customers causes a loss.

    3. Re:Hey submitter, try reading your own submission. by xigxag · · Score: 1

      Hmmm, true. :) But the word "red" means "net" in Spanish so maybe we can charitably assume that the author of the CNET piece made a mental transposition error, "remained in the red (net), adding a net ," in translating between his native Spanish and English.

      The author, Roger Cheng.

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  11. not liking sprint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sprint was fine when i first got my phone, now it sucks. plain and simple...

  12. Adios, Sprint by TheNinjaroach · · Score: 2

    I used Sprint for over 10 years, always with "unlimited" data and texting. That same service over doubled in cost during that 10 year timeframe. They never once updated coverage in my area. One time last year I was stranded in the center of downtown Dayton, Ohio and couldn't even get a signal to make a call!

    Shitty reception, shitty prices, shitty customer service, shitty marketing, Sprint is just shitty all the way around.

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    1. Re:Adios, Sprint by PRMan · · Score: 1

      In the first 12 years with Sprint, I dropped maybe 4 calls. The service was that good in Southern California (their "home" area). But lately, I drop calls to my wife driving home EVERY DAY. First in one location, now in another. It's getting really bad.

      And the reason we got Sprint in the first place is that it was the only carrier that worked inside our house. Sure, we lost connection in a couple places in the house, but for the most part it worked. Now, they did some sort of network tower rearrangement and we had to get an Airave femtocell in our house just to make calls. Now, if we are on a call, we can't go outside or inside because the call will drop since the Airave isn't powerful enough to go outside and the outside towers aren't powerful enough to come inside.

      All I can say is that Softbank better put some serious money into the network over the next year, or we are done.

      So yes, bad reception, but their prices are better than AT&T and Verizon and their customer service has been great, so I'm not really seeing the same as Ninjaroach.

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    2. Re:Adios, Sprint by hypergreatthing · · Score: 1

      Explain how this is even possible.
      Sprint uses CDMA. It shares it's towers with Verizon and other CDMA carriers for roaming purposes. How in the hell is it possible to blame Sprint for no coverage if what you say is true, there would be no Verizon coverage there either. Even when i was in rural alabama i could at least get some weak signal coverage. The only times it ever goes out normally is when i'm in a subway.

    3. Re:Adios, Sprint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've noticed that my Sprint phone holds on to unusable Sprint towers for a long time, to the point that it rarely roams even when calls won't go through.

  13. The price isn't that great anymore by jjhall · · Score: 2

    When I switched to Sprint from AT&T, it was nearly half the price for 2 "smart" phones with data and one "feature" phone. Sure Sprint's coverage was nowhere near as good, but for the price difference it was worth it since it worked OK in most of the places I was at anyway. Over time their signal quality has not improved, actually I'd say it's degraded quite a bit, and their pricing has gone up. If I were to renew my contract on the plans they offer today, I'd be within $10 per month of Verizon's plans with the amount of data we actually use. Add to this the fact that Sprint doesn't have LTE in my area, yet they only offer new phones with LTE data, not the older WiMax 4G. I'd have to downgrade my data speed to "early upgrade" our phones, and they aren't offering any kind of discount until LTE is in place. They won't even give an estimate of when LTE will be available. I talked to a Sprint rep a couple of weeks ago and was told they have tower techs working in this area, but they were working on a 3G capacity expansion, not an LTE upgrade.

    I've been with Sprint now for about 10 years, but unless something changes (in a big way) in the next 5 months before my contract runs out, I'm highly likely to be joining the mass exodus.

    1. Re:The price isn't that great anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In march my wife and I switched from Sprint (was with Spring since 2006) to Virgin mobile. The phones are crap on virgin BUT they do not have carrier IQ and our bill for 2 Android phones went from $180.00 a month (Sprint) down to about $80.00 (virgin mobile).
      Plus we were told that Virgin uses the Sprint network but I do not see how as we had on avg 5 dropped calls a week on Sprint to Zero dropped calls on Virgin mobile.
      So far so good with Virgin Mobile using Samsung Reverb phones (rooted on day one ... poot is a wonderful thing :)

    2. Re:The price isn't that great anymore by jjhall · · Score: 1

      I've considered that route. You are correct in that Virgin is a MVNO (Mobile Virtual Network Operator) using Sprint's network. The kicker for us is that MVNOs (on Sprint anyway) will not roam to another carrier if signal gets too low. For example, with Sprint Proper service, if I get into an area where Sprint coverage doesn't exist, my phone happily roams over to Verizon's network. I travel to some locations for work (within a couple hours drive) on a fairly regular basis that have zero Sprint coverage. If I were to switch to Virgin, I'd have no cell service at all when in those areas.

      That said, the roaming threshold settings in Sprint phones is horrible. If there is any Sprint signal whatsoever, even if it is unusable for a call, my phone will not switch to Verizon's tower. I can be standing next to someone with a Verizon phone, full signal, while mine is at one bar flickering. If they had some intelligent roaming configured I'd probably be staying with Sprint rather than most likely switching.

    3. Re:The price isn't that great anymore by blueup · · Score: 1

      Ting is another MVNO on Sprint's network, but they do VOICE roaming to Verizon. (not data)

      Depending on usage, they can be even cheaper than Virgin. The one complicated part about them is that you have to buy your phone upfront, which makes comparing oranges (no apples allowed yet) to other fruit more difficult.

      Our family has 4 smartphones, many bought from craigslist, that have cost a net of $560. Our usage bills us for $67 per month, plus taxes (under $15) If you have a sprint phone that is paid for, you don't even have that startup cost to overcome. Still, saving more than $40 per month verses our previous bit with AT&T, we got there fast. Buying top end, unlocked, brand new phones would make it harder, though.

      some people get concerned about the "pay for what you use" model, but for us, it has been really beneficial. I don't even stress about going "over" into the next bucket, because it's really only an incremental charge, not a "blow you out of the water" thing.

      If you use this referral code, you can get a signup discount too:
      https://zs8p4n4rq.ting.com/

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    4. Re:The price isn't that great anymore by jjhall · · Score: 1

      I'm familiar with Ting. I have a phone with them (my old Sprint Hero) for my "tween" daughter. I decided to give her a phone for her birthday, and contacted Sprint about adding her on with our existing plan. Despite already having a phone, meaning no "free" phone needing a subsidy, they still refused to add her line without a 2 year contract. Sprint yet again shot themselves in the foot.

      That said I have not tried roaming with her phone on Ting, but I'll take your word for it that it works. She has traveled to see her grandma with her phone and it worked for her, but I wasn't with her to see if it was roaming or not. We have data disabled (She has Wi-Fi wherever she needs it) so that wouldn't have made a difference anyway. My wife's phone and my phone are both to the point of needing to be replaced. She is always hard on her phones, and while I'm usually great on my phones it did have a freak accident a couple of months back and shattered the screen. It still works, but it is time to replace it once I figure out what I'm doing. When I do the math on Ting, it would actually cost us quite a bit more based on our existing usage models. I use my phone a lot for work data wise, and my brother's phone uses a ton of minutes due to the custom farm work he does. If Ting had free mobile-to-mobile calling it would probably be cheaper if we modified our data habits a bit.

  14. Softbank by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wasn't Sprint acquired by the Japanese company, SoftBank? I hear they are one of the decent providers in Japan, although they don't let you unlock phones. I know this because my GF is Japanese and she came to NYC with a Softbank Iphone5 and there was nothing we could do to get it Sim Unlocked so that she may use it here in the USA.

    I actually use Sprint for my cell service. Its mediocre at best and not that cheap. For 3 lines, 2 of them with the Internet Upgrade for LTE/4G and an additional 15$ a month for Unlimited calling/texting to Thailand I pay around 200$ a month. The cell service drops all the time and a lot of times I have to try 3 or 4 times before I can make a call. The internet is so horrible. Right now I'm just waiting for the 3rd line on my service to be at no contract status so I can cancel all 3 lines and move to something else.

     

  15. another ex-Sprinter here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the final straw was 3 years ago when they forced me to start paying a 4G fee (when I upgraded to a 4G-capable phone) despite the fact that 4G isn't available in my area.

    as of several months ago, it still wasn't... that would have been several hundred dollars in fees over the years all for a service they're not providing me.

    1. Re:another ex-Sprinter here by Pauldow · · Score: 1

      I had the TouchPro2 on a $30 SERO plan. Windows API services were shut down well before by 2 year contract expired. I changed the phone to Android, but it would often lock up just trying to answer a call. Even though I have Sprint towers 4 miles to my north and south, I could very rarely complete a call. Forget about data. I was provided with an Airrave for the $4.50/month fee. I could upgrade to a LTE phone, but that would have locked me into another 2 years, raise my rate from $30 to $50/month, and my calls and data would still be going through my Airrave on the internet line I pay for anyway.
      I bought a Verizon Droid 4 off of Craigslist for $80. Replaced the glass on it, got the software changed to Cyanogenmod, and got it running on PagePlus. There for $30/month I get 1200 min, 300 texts, 500 MB data and it runs on the Verizon network.
      The triple bad news for Sprint is two of my neighbors now can't make Sprint calls since they were hitting my Airrave.

    2. Re:another ex-Sprinter here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm still on SERO with a Touch Pro 2. I could never bring myself to pay $20 more per month for the exact same service all for the privileged of paying for a new phone and being stuck with a 2 yr contract. I am finally moving on... I bought a T-Mobile phone from Amazon and I will get it unlocked then I will activate on Straight Talk. ~45/month only now I will have unlimited voice instead of a paltry 500min per month.

      I tried a dozen times to get Sprint to step up and keep me as a customer but... Sprint is acting just like ATT did when I left them 10 years ago... Oh well...

  16. Screw Sprint by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 1

    I live in KC where they're headquartered and had them 10 years ago or so. The service was atrocious, which I can't wrap my head around considering this is their turf and their employees *must've* heard complaints every single time they told someone where they work.

    They apparently got better for some time, but if they're stupid enough to fall back into that same hole they deserve to get bought out.

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    1. Re:Screw Sprint by Andrio · · Score: 1

      I used to have Sprint, in South FL. I had no complaints about the phone service, but the data service was abysmal. It was so bad, I actually developed a type of twisted, perverted fascination with the speed of Sprint's data. I had a speed test app, that I would often use when I felt especially frustrated. I guess it was a way of indulging my fascination. After dozens of tests, at different times throughout the day, and over a geographic area consisting of south florida (both coasts), and central Florida, over the span of nearly 2 years, these were my findings:

      By far, the most common speed I saw was around 90-120kbps. No, that's no joke and no exaggeration. That was the speed of my 3G (not 1x, but 3G! 1x probalby didn't even count as internet), roughly 90% of the time.

      On especially bad times, it would be as low as 40-70 kpbs.

      Every once in a blue moon, and this was mainly in an unpopulated area of the west coast, I saw speeds of 200-600 kbps. These were always like mini-surprises. "I can stream video now! Woah!"

      Some notes:
      -No, it wasn't my phone's fault. Not only had I tried different ROMs, plus these speeds are consistent with what I see from some of my poor, sucker co-workers stuck on Sprint. It takes them like 20 seconds to load a mobile page
      -WiMaxx 4G was one of the most useless telecom technologies I've ever seen. Basically, if there was a wall between you and the cell tower, you had no 4G connectivity. If you were driving, your 4G would stay connected for maybe a dozen seconds.
      -I went to St Augustine (which is at the very north part of Florida), and to my amazement, Sprint's 3G exceeded 1Mbps while there. It's almost like it was a different provider there.

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  17. Whats new? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sprint hasn't made a profit in more that 5 years.

  18. Unlimited means nothing if the network sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    That's why I had to leave Sprint after many years of being a customer: degrading network, and a poorly handled network upgrade in my city.
    Having an unlimited plan means nothing if you can't do a simple google search.
    The final straw for me was one day when I was running errands all over the city, and kept trying to look up something online but couldn't get connected no matter where I was; at that point I had to ask myself what I was paying for anymore.

  19. Ting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I recently switched to Ting. They are an MVNO on the Sprint network. They are pay only for what you use, no contract, no limits. I dropped my monthly bill from $90 a month, I had a 25% employer discount, to $30 a month. They have great customer service and you never have to wait on hold. You can buy one of their phones or you can bring your own Sprint device.

    Here is a code to get your $25 credit on your account if you setup a new account with them.
    https://zob29f136i3.ting.com

    1. Re:Ting by serbanp · · Score: 1

      I too have been a Sprint customer for 12 years, then switched to Ting this spring and am very happy with the price and customer service. Brought my phones from Sprint without a hiccup.

      Regarding some retarded comments regarding CDMA: if you use a cell phone for voice services too, the audio quality on CDMA is still much higher than the GSM networks (ATT etc).

    2. Re:Ting by JTinMSP · · Score: 1

      No, that's AT&T running the half-rate audio codec to save their precious spectrum. T-Mobile is running the full-rate codec (badged as HD Voice) and if you have two people using HD Voice phones on T-Mobile, it sounds like they are in the same room.

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    3. Re:Ting by cblguy2 · · Score: 1

      I'd forgotten about this... I have been on Sprint for 12 or so years. The coverage sucks. The price sucks. My buddy with a Verizon phone will sit there at 16 megabits download, while I have no data at all. But, I don't want to switch to an expensive phone plan, nor do I want to ditch my Sprint Galaxy S2... So I just switched to Ting. I used your code, but I'm not sure it went through properly. Hopefully you'll see the credit. I started the process this morning.... 8 hours ago I was on Sprint. Now I'm officially on Ting. My bill should drop from $87/mo to under $50.

    4. Re:Ting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The referral worked. Thanks!!! Hope you like Ting as much as I do.

  20. Re:Capitalism at its finest by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    but you fucktarded USians want your precious "individual liberties" so much that you are brainwashed into believing that the free market will cure everything

    You're not terribly far off, but still significantly. The people here are indoctrinated to believe that they are granted freedoms, and that they must support a fascist system to maintain those freedoms.

    Very few Americans actually understand about liberty and free markets because those choices are told to be dangerous to them. The government and its schools work against liberty and free markets at most opportunities.

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  21. This is the difference between knowledge & mar by rabtech · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Sprint has been weighed down by the horrible acquisition of Nextel. They were paying for two networks but only one network's worth of customers.

    The loss of these subscribers was intentional and predicted well in advance as Sprint finally shutdown the Nextel platform. They already recaptured the more valuable customers onto the Sprint platform and made a strategic decision to let some go because the equipment fees and/or discounts made it unprofitable to keep them.

    Part of the financial write downs was paying lease termination fees on backhaul and sites to shut down redundant Nextel locations. They won't ever post a quarter like this again; the Nextel bleeding has finally been stopped and their cost structure will only improve going forward. If you check the Sprint platform, they are still adding subscribers and revenue is up.

    They have also closed the Clearwire deal, allowing them to move forward deploying 2.5Ghz spectrum but that won't really bear fruit until next year when handsets start shipping with support for those frequencies. Now that iDEN SMR 850Mhz is shut down, they can deploy the 3x3 LTE channel in that space which should make a huge diffence for indoor coverage. They have been planning this during Network Vision (their modernization effort that is running fiber to every tower along with LTE) to deploy the Nextel spectrum. All the newer handsets already support it, including the iPhone 5. At the newest upgraded towers they don't even have to roll a truck, the equipment is already installed and can even have the downtilt remotely adjusted.

    They aren't stupid... Network Vision is running fiber to almost every tower with microwave bounces for the few that can't get it. The backhaul is all minimum 1Gbps, software upgradable, so they can just turn on more backhaul with a keystroke... The old network was all T1s, requiring a 4-6 week wait on the phone company. The new antennas are more sensitive, can be remotely tilted, and support more frequencies. The LTE gear is all software-upgradable to LTE-Advanced.

    They had two major problems. LTE equipment wasn't ready prior to their must-build deadlines for the 2.5Ghz spectrum and they were severely hampered in capital spending due to the Nextel boat anchor. They foisted off the 2.5Ghz spectrum on some investors to help offset the cost and protect the spectrum, probably knowing WiMax was a dead end. Boost was a way to help offset the cost of iDEN with prepaid customers they could jettison later.

    Now that SoftBank has solved the capital problem, they own the 2.5Ghz spectrum again, and they are rolling out fiber/LTE, they should be able to challenge the dualopoly on equal footing relatively soon. My city is one of the LTE launch markets and the difference between the old and new networks is night and day.

    Once you understand these things, you realize that Sprint is a good play, albeit somewhat risky. The market just goes off headlines (often completely bogus ones, see every Apple story ever) and freaks out. Those are excellent buying opportunities if you understand what is really going on with a company.

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  22. Prepaid... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am perfectly happy with my non smart prepaid Samsung phone with AT&T. Its a dumb phone, but serves all my needs. Only costs me $25 every three months, so its like $8.33\month.

    You all are stupid to pay so much for smart phones.

  23. Just switched to sprint by r6_jason · · Score: 1

    I've just switched from Verizon to Sprint, mainly because of Verizon's changes to data plans which they are forcing current users into. There is little point in sticking around and paying $240+ a month for 3 smart phones and 8 to 10GB of data w/ Verizon. Sprint is $180 a month for 3 smart phones w/ unlimited data. Verizon may be faster but w/ caps so low that's pointless. I can't help but fell that the caps are that low to force you into overages. Sprint is slated to roll out 4G in my area by Q3 2013, i'm guessing when that happens Sprint will be the better deal by far.

    1. Re:Just switched to sprint by aquabats · · Score: 1

      The cake is a lie. I joined sprint in 2009. I was promised 3g would improve by end of the year. Using the 1 year upgrade (which they canceled for everyone) I upgraded to a new phone thinking it was the phones fault. Still bad service but they promised 4g Wimax by the end of the year in my city...3 years later I still dont have 3g or 4g. Ive been in a couple emergency situations and had no service around Philly, Princeton Nj, and even outside of Baltimore. They push back the roll outs or just silently cancel them. Calling Sprint does no good as the reps always do the same thing. 1. Check for outages 2. Check your PRL/Software 3. Make you reboot your phone 4. Claim its you phone and you can pay $50-$100 for us to look at it and tell you its not broken. 5. (repeat) Store rep tells you he cant do anything on his end and I would have to call customer service to resolve said issues. Save your money and dont drink the kool-aid

  24. Carrier locks suck, but who buys unlocked by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 2

    Why pay more for an unlocked phone? So you aren't in a contract, they don't give you a discount on services. It makes no sense that they make a person with a locked or unlocked or out of contract phone pay the same amount. Make it worth my while and I'll bring my own phone to the game.

    1. Re:Carrier locks suck, but who buys unlocked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, personally I'm on Ting (spring network) and paying $15/mo for my limited needs (I stay on WiFi most of the time).
      I did pay full price for one of their refurb phones ($75), but I think I'll buy a fancier one next time. The amount I'm saving per month over my AT&T plan (where I didn't even have data and was still being charged $60/mo) would cover the cost of a nice phone in 6 months or so.
      And, since it is month-to-month, I could walk away, switch to Verizon or whatever, at any time.

      No complaints about the Sprint network here. I eye the signal on my commute and wandering about the area, but haven't ever hit a dead area.

      I guess I could include the link they give for discounting my service and that of any person who joined, but that would make this seem a bit too much like an advertisement instead of honest evaluation of service to me, so I won't :)

    2. Re:Carrier locks suck, but who buys unlocked by jittles · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why pay more for an unlocked phone? So you aren't in a contract, they don't give you a discount on services. It makes no sense that they make a person with a locked or unlocked or out of contract phone pay the same amount. Make it worth my while and I'll bring my own phone to the game.

      You can get an unlocked Nexus 4 for $300, sign up for T-mobile's $30/month unlimited data/texting (100 voice minutes), and save a ton of cash over Verizon/ATT/Sprint. Or if you want unlimited everything, it's $50 a month. Considering that I was at almost $100 a month with ATT and at $80 a month with Sprint, that $300 Nexus 4 would be paid off in 10 months with unlimited everything on T-mobile.

    3. Re:Carrier locks suck, but who buys unlocked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, and those times I use data for stuff besides google maps, it seems quite responsive.
      When a friend of mine was on AT&T, we'd often watch a wikipedia page take like a minute to load.
      A "fix" was to disable 3G and switch to Edge - where things loaded pretty quickly. My guess is just too many people
      sucking down data and it was simply overloaded, making Edge relatively faster.

      Soo, yeah, sucks they are losing cash since it would be unfortunate if my provider collapsed out from under me, but
      hey, at least fewer customers means faster download speeds. ;)

    4. Re:Carrier locks suck, but who buys unlocked by rotaryexpress · · Score: 1

      Which is why Sprint offers service through MNVO's.

    5. Re:Carrier locks suck, but who buys unlocked by blueup · · Score: 1

      Or, if you want to stick with Sprint's coverage (including voice roaming on Verizon) you can try Ting, which also has inexpensive "plan" pricing, provided you are willing to buy your phone.

      Data is not particularly cheap with Ting, but my family (4 phones so far) doesn't use a lot of that anyway, so it winds up being fairly inexpensive for us. T-mobile would be $100 per month (or more) plus tax for us, and our high bill has been $67, so we've made up the up the up-front cost of the phones.

      Ting doesn't have 2 year contracts or any of that noise, either, so we can leave anytime. Even though I don't want to leave, it's nice to have the freedom, and not worry about ETF's.

      if you are interested in Ting, use this referral code, and save a little money:
      https://zs8p4n4rq.ting.com/

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    6. Re:Carrier locks suck, but who buys unlocked by blueup · · Score: 1

      Oh, I didn't notice before, T-mobile's $100 per month requires you to bring/pay for a phone separately, too.

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  25. I left Sprint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I bought an EVO 4G when they first game out. The sprint network is so slow in San Diego I couldn't stream Youtube on low quality. When my contract expired I immediately switched to T-Mobile pre-paid and got a Galaxy Nexus. The T-Mobile network is better.

  26. Do these numbers reflect Boost & Virgin Mobile by ArhcAngel · · Score: 2

    I haven't looked at the report so I don't know but since Sprint is the sole owner of both Boost and Virgin Mobile I'd be curious to know if their sales numbers are added in to Sprints total bottom line or if they are kept separate.

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  27. Vote with your wallet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    I'm on Sprint. It sucks. To say their service is spotty is a huge understatement. I wouldn't even call them a national carrier. I spent a week up in the White Mountains of New Hampshire recently, and I didn't get a single moment of cellular service for the entire duration of my trip. Now, I know the White Mountains are somewhat remote, but my girlfriend's AT&T phone seemed to have service more often than not.

    I'm out of contract with Sprint. I could leave for an affordable T-Mobile. I could leave for a Verizon's awesome coverage. I could go with AT&T so I can talk and surf (2G/3G) at the same time. But I'm staying with Sprint instead. Why? Because I put my money where my mouth is.

    All you assholes complaining about capped data plans, what the fuck are you doing to support Sprint's efforts? Everyone that complains that telecommunications companies have no incentive to increase network capacity due to laughable data transfer caps, are you financially supporting Sprint to make a statement? Why the hell not?

    I don't even use much cellular data, mostly because Sprint's network is so god damn slow and spotty. But you know what? I'm doing my fucking part. If everyone started lining up to switch to Sprint to get their unlimited plan, it would not only finance Sprint's build out of increased capacity, but also send a clear message to other [more capable] carriers that consumers are tired of being gouged by laughable limits on their phone usage. So here I am, with my shitty cell service, taking one for the team, with the hope that other like-minded individuals will join me, and things will change. But all you other like-minded individuals seem to lack any sense of principle. Next time you find yourself fretting about potentially exceeding your data cap, remember this post. Remember me saying in no unclear terms: "Fuck you."

  28. Unlimited data only because they have to by sjbe · · Score: 1

    'Unlimited data' would get me over to them _if_ the other problems were solved.

    Of course if the other problems were solved, they would have no need to offer "unlimited" data. Sprint isn't offering that because they are nice guys. They are offering it because they are getting their asses handed to them by Verizon and AT&T and it is a way to draw in customers that would otherwise go elsewhere.

    1. Re:Unlimited data only because they have to by ArcherB · · Score: 2

      'Unlimited data' would get me over to them _if_ the other problems were solved.

      Of course if the other problems were solved, they would have no need to offer "unlimited" data. Sprint isn't offering that because they are nice guys. They are offering it because they are getting their asses handed to them by Verizon and AT&T and it is a way to draw in customers that would otherwise go elsewhere.

      From what I've heard, Sprint realized it was costing more to monitor and bill for data than the extra money they were receiving from the fines. It was actually cheaper to NOT monitor data.

      And for the record, I'm on Sprint and I have absolutely no issues whatsoever. 4G is as fast or faster than what I get at home and I get 4G coverage from home to work. I use a ton of data and could ever afford AT&T or any other phone company that monitors my data.

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    2. Re:Unlimited data only because they have to by prezkennedy.org · · Score: 1

      And for the record, I'm on Sprint and I have absolutely no issues whatsoever. 4G is as fast or faster than what I get at home and I get 4G coverage from home to work. I use a ton of data and could ever afford AT&T or any other phone company that monitors my data.

      Cool story bro.

      I'm on Sprint and missed two phone calls today because my phone never rang. I have a Galaxy Note II. No 4G here. Most of the time I'm lucky if I get 2 bars. I live right near town as well, which is pretty much D.C. suburbs. It generally takes me about four hours to download 100MB over the air. It's like this wherever I go. Illinois: no signal; Wisconsin: no signal; In-Laws: no signal; Home: no signal; Brother's: 4G with one or two bars, SOMETIMES.

      It's crap, and they really need to stop screwing around with crappy promotions and just build out their damn network. I have a year left on my contract, and then I'm going to Verizon. At least then I'll be able to make and receive phone calls.

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    3. Re:Unlimited data only because they have to by evilviper · · Score: 1

      From what I've heard, Sprint realized it was costing more to monitor and bill for data than the extra money they were receiving from the fines. It was actually cheaper to NOT monitor data.

      Except they still have to monitor their customer's data usage, to enforce the 2.5GB limit on Boost Mobile and Virgin Mobile, as well as the various billing strategies employed by their numerous MVNOs like Ting, etc.

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  29. Sprint is terrible by zeroryoko1974 · · Score: 1

    Such an inept company. Their wimax was a failure, their customer service is a failure, their coverage is a failure, the acquisition of Nextel was a failure. I am surprised they have any customers left.

    1. Re:Sprint is terrible by PRMan · · Score: 1

      I really don't get the customer service complaints. Aren't they the only cell provider to get customer service awards over the past 5 years? And I always get great service, way better than Verizon Math or AT&T Apathy. They are low priced with good customer service but bad coverage nationwide.

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  30. Surprised? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not in the slightest. I used to work for Sprint. Their upper management act like a bunch of high schoolers competing to see who is most popular and steal all the credit from underlings that they can to play politics with. They also encourage management by fear and good employees are often run off because of that. No one does their best job when the threat of unemployment is constantly dangled over their heads. The NOC was run, when I was there 10ish years ago, by a bunch of really competent guys and gals who were usually hamstrung by the office politics in upper management and prevented from making the service all it could be. To be perfectly honest, you're lucky a Sprint phone work at all. They've even tried to hire me back before and at a time I needed a job. I kind of like working in telecom (still do for a competitor), but I'd flip burgers before going back into that cesspool of corporate inadequacy and petty office politics. Whenever family or friends ask who they should get for their cell service, I tell them anyone but Sprint (and T-Moble).

  31. Sprint to T-Mobile per replacement phone pricing. by cojsl · · Score: 1

    My recent Sprint to T-Mobile switch was per the need to replace a failing phone, and Sprint's inability to offer a price comparable to what I'd pay T-Mobile on a new activation. I spoke to two different agents, telling them specifically that I'd leave if they didn't offer me a better deal. In all fairness, I'd previously switched from T-Mobile to Sprint for the same reason. There must be some accounting reason why both carriers would sooner lose a ($99/mth, auto-paid on time every month) customer rather than offer replacement phones at lower cost to retain them. They both got me to switch by discounting the phones anyway.

  32. Many people also travel by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    your average US consumer doesn't really care. Why?

    Because they typically get a discounted or free phone that locks them into a 2 year contract anyhow.

    I don't care because of the contract. I was going to be with a carrier that long anyway.

    I care because I travel and I like to use other sims when traveling. That's why it may in fact matter even to the average US consumer. Especially true as the population grows older, more people retire - and travel.

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    1. Re:Many people also travel by adisakp · · Score: 1

      I care because I travel and I like to use other sims when traveling. That's why it may in fact matter even to the average US consumer. Especially true as the population grows older, more people retire - and travel.

      If you are traveling, call Sprint's International Department at 888-226-7212 and Sprint will unlock your phone in about 5 minutes.

  33. T-mobile is gaining ground. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 3, Informative
    Their no-contract plans are good. Despite a strong smear job by some Attorney General, (probably paid under the table by the big carriers), their phones are not locked once they are paid for. Unlimited talk, text and data, throttle down to 120 kbps after 500 MB, (10 Mbps before). 2GB more for 10$/month/line. 10 more for unlimited. When I got my nexus 4 from Google directly they gave me a micro simcard for free in their kiosk. Another nexus4 I saw from the store did not have as much junk pre loaded. No surprises so far.

    My brother was saying that T-mobile benefited immensely in the failed take over big by AT&T. Apparently they had fine print, saying AT&T should give T-Mobile some 3 billion dollars and access to its network, if the deal was stopped by the Feds. So suddenly T-Mobile's coverage area increased tremendously and got some money too. But other are saying that still, T-mobile's coverage is its weak spot.

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  34. Cricket eating human. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dhn7PWEhdw

  35. complete and utter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this is complete and utter bolshevik!

  36. T-Mobile voice quality by SIGBUS · · Score: 1

    I'm on a prepaid TMo plan, and the voice quality is quite good when calling either another T-Mobile customer or a landline. After years of crap voice quality on AT&T via Tracfone, T-Mobile is like a breath of fresh air.

    In general, I'm happy with the service when I'm in the Chicago area, but once I get out of the metro area, there are a couple of big problems: first, a lot of their rural/small-city coverage is still EDGE or even GPRS (guys, it's 2013, GPRS shouldn't even be a thing anymore), and there are some big holes in their coverage. In certain areas, I can roam onto AT&T or other GSM-based regional carriers, though data roaming is unavailable on prepaid and severely limited on postpaid accounts. There are other areas, though (Pana, IL for instance), where no roaming is allowed at all and my phone gets no service.

    Forget about audio streaming when you're out of their HSPA+/LTE footprint.

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  37. Scruffy seconds the motion. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Also on my way out. What good is unlimited data if it takes ten minutes to fail to open a webpage - regardless of where I am?

    SF? Phoenix? Denver? Chicago? Philly? The location does not matter. The service... isn't.

    Apparently, you do get what you pay for.

  38. Sprint does it to themselves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I worked for Sprint for 2 years. Their customer service is what kills them. They had the best service (proven) but worst customer service. It was to the point that someone calls in to change their plan, done wrong, charged double etc. Reps were handcuffed by Sprint not able to credit accounts to fix. Retarded amount of outsourcing to non English speaking agents who don't know how to use the system. I used to hear "thank god you speak English" from SO many people. They used to tell me they were closing their service for that reason.

  39. Stupidity: Sprint Stockholders & frivilous con by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just like everybody who pisses their money -- and the US economy -- away with the latest "cool gadget" manufactured in Japan, Sprint Shareholders have just said a collective "Give me money and stuff! You (us, the people who have given them our money for the past decade) are unimportant and you're all suckers!"

    Yes, sell out to Japan. Give up all our jobs to low-wage workers. Buy 10-times more crap than you need from Walmart and say "but I couldn't afford all this if it we're for Walmart!" Shop at Costco and buy your coffee ten pounds at a time: "Aw honey, don't bother with a carafe for the coffee, let it burn. We'll just dump it out and put on another pot! Who cares! We have ten lbs of coffee!" Sell all our big manufacturing companies to China, Japan, Korea, Philippians, choose your products solely on cost, not accountability and moderate needs/consumption.

    Next year everyone will be bitching about caps below 50GB per weeks. Sheesh.

    In regard to Sprint as a service company -- I happen to have liked being able to carry on with my life, manage my house, career, relationships, etc., and make phone calls, without my cell phone carrier constantly changing my plan and bill format all the time. I've been with Verizon and AT&T on occasion, and it only ever takes a few weeks before I remember why I hate those companies. For my cell phone, I've been with Sprint for 12 years and it's been great. Excellent customer service, reliable calls, free roaming and free TXT, all for a low price (albeit I'm on on SERO). The exceptions have been slow phone introductions and recent very low options on tablets (I'm not an Apple fanboy) -- and they used to have a bunch of Atom netbooks, but no more.

    Alas, the end is near. For whatever the biggest reason(s) for the exodus, I will not send 78% of my monthly to a foreign bank. Goodbye Sprint!

  40. Math by Bigby · · Score: 1

    $2 million customers at a conservative $100/month contract * 3 months (1 quarter) $1,600 million loss. They can blame lack of customers all they want, but there is obviously something else causing the issue. Where is the other $1b loss coming from?

  41. they want new customers, not existing customers by jlv · · Score: 1

    For the last 6 months it has been $100 cheaper to get a new phone on Sprint... but only if you are a new customer. That is, existing customers pay $100 more for the same new phone. It's cheaper to leave Sprint and return than it is to stay with them.

    They want to attract new customers... but they shouldn't do it by shafting existing (good) customers. They should do it by showing that is valuable to be an existing good customer. But, they've forgotten that existing customers are a good thing.

  42. Re:Capitalism at its finest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This so-called free market actively works against a free market. They only want the market to be free for themselves, not for others.

  43. Why I moved from Sprint by dougsyo · · Score: 1

    I moved from ATT to Sprint the day that the HTC Evo 4G came out. I asked that day and they said "4G will be coming to this area in six months." 18 months later, WiMax 4G still hadn't come to the area, and Sprint had changed from deploying WiMax to LTE, so my Evo would never see 4G. They tried to sell me an LTE phone, and I politely advised them that I couldn't believe their deployment.
    Meanwhile, their "unlimited data" users - many coming from other carriers at the time - were swamping Sprint 3G, which was the only service available to me. I ended up switching to Verizon before my Sprint contract was up (it cost me $50 since I was close to the end). My Verizon contract costs more, although I've not come close to hitting my data quota, and it's MUCH more usable and reliable.

    Doug

  44. Re:This is the difference between knowledge & by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dont forget that sprint has more spectrum than any other carrier 185 vs ~105 mhz, which means that their overall incremental costs of network deployment are substantially lower.

  45. Nextel acquisition didn't win anyone over neither. by RLU486983 · · Score: 1

    I didn't care for Sprint or Nextel personally but I know several people of whom Sprint attempted to force-feed their service to after the merger but didn't want and/or like the Sprint offerings so they dumped Sprint altogether. Not a surprise that their customer base is dwindling.

  46. Sprint is a series of failures to deliver by Monoman · · Score: 1

    Why I left after my two year contact ended. I signed up 3 years ago and bought the original EVO 4G (WiMax) on a plan that allowed you to upgrade your phone every year. 11 months into my contract they take away the ability the yearly phone upgrade eligibility. Failure to deliver #1. A few months later it becomes more than clear they are abandoning WiMax. Failure to deliver #2. During my contract period the tower(s) in the area where I work were consistently going offline. This would kill your phone battery while it searched and searched for signal After many support calls and talking with the Sprint rep at my work we hope something would eventually be done. Promised tower upgrades were "in progress" etc etc. It never got better. Failure #3.

    I switched back to AT&T (Samsung GS3) and on our family plan a year ago. Better service, faster speeds, and cheaper. I here good things about Verizon in my area and may try them some day.

    So long Sprint. I wish we never met.

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  47. i remember Sprint in the 2000s by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sprint had decent 2G service in the early 2000. I remember the times when i roamed onto Verizon's analog 800 MHz network in the countryside. Smart phones were being introduced and used EDGE or GPRS if I remember correctly.

    I was wondering how Sprint-Nextel is doing today. didn't know that Sprint was struggling after merging with Nextel. thanks for posting the news story.

    I use Sprint via Virgin Mobile pre-paid service, but I don't use the high speed internet on my phone.

  48. Unfortunate by SeanBlader · · Score: 1

    I wish Sprint the best, but their Wimax gamble over LTE and then the rate of expansion after changing their minds has been too much to bear, so I was one of the recent departures for T-Mobile. It doesn't help that their CMDA phones are not internationally operable, makes it tough to travel.

  49. Haha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I met a guy a couple of weeks ago that told me, he contacted sprint and told them to start billing him every six months, and reminded them that he had cable for Internet, and a cell phone, and sprint did not offer him a single service he needs, so it was his way or the highway.

    They went with His way.

  50. I'm on Sprint too... by tekiegreg · · Score: 1

    At one point their 4G was nice in my area, beat out my Home Internet at one point. However it seems like the 4G WiMax service is in a state of decline. Can hardly get a 4G Signal at my house anymore, and anywhere else I go in Denver it's non-existent. For high speed I'm pretty much stuck with Wi-Fi. What I'm doing is moving to Boost Mobile, which though a Sprint Subsidiary is cheaper and will offer 4G LTE at the same time as Sprint when the LTE service here in Denver is ready. My rationale is a few things:

    1) Boost Mobile is dirt cheap, for the price I'm paying now I'm willing to put up with near non-existent 4G
    2) Don't need to worry about the lack of roaming, Sprint's voice/3G network is adequate for my needs, though I find myself somewhat envious of my friends on 4G LTE networks, when I compare phone bills I lose my envy real quick
    3) If Sprint/Boost ever gets 4G LTE I'm Contract free and able to make the decision to get a hot new phone at the Sprint subsidy again (or another provider if I really get sick of Sprint/Boost and decide I need an awesome 4G network instead), no penalties involved

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  51. Nose Print. by faedle · · Score: 1

    I work as a telecommunications coordinator for a pretty large convention in the Pacific Northwest. We have traditionally used Nextel iDEN phones for our comms, and as a general rule worked without any major hiccups.

    This year, we were forced to move off of iDEN (with the Nextel shutdown) to Sprint's more conventional network's push-to-talk service. It was a complete and total disaster. In addition to the fact that Sprint's building penetration is extremely poor, their network in downtown Seattle is overloaded, and the phones would regularly just put the data connection to sleep and simply lose alerts and PTT calls. Add to that: many of the group calling features we had with Nextel weren't even available. We couldn't build talk groups and have users join talk groups arbitrarily as they needed people in a particular department.

    We will not be depending on Sprint for 2014, or for that matter, ever again.

    1. Re:Nose Print. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a ham radio operator and someone who just worked public safety at a weeklong, 250+ acre event, you're doing it all wrong! We were on UHF Motorolas, with critical channels on a repeater set up by our comms provider. They do the rental, FCC licensing, training, the whole bit, and it's not as expensive as you might think. When you have a critical event you need to put on are you going to trust anything else for PTT?

      (AC as we aren't allowed to discuss comms for obvious reasons....)

    2. Re:Nose Print. by faedle · · Score: 1

      We need multi-site, and we needed encrypted communications, and we also needed the ability for some users to make phone calls. iDEN was ideal and worked perfectly. It's a shame that there is nothing to replace it.. doubly so because the existence of iDEN basically drove most of the SMDR systems off the grid.

      A straight UHF repeater may be what we use next year, but we won't have the secure comms, the talk group capability, or the ability to allow users to make conventional phone calls, too...

  52. Virgin Mobile is Nice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I switched over to Virgin Mobile (Sprint's prepaid stuff) earlier this year. They're a year behind on Samsung phones, but phones are so powerful now that I don't care. I get unlimited data and text with it and 1200 minutes a month for $45. It's $35 for 300 minutes and unlimited data/text. I get 4G coverage where I am and everything works. And the 45 a month doesn't have 16 random fees tacked onto it like Verizon. It's 45 + sales tax. That's it. You can get the Samsung Galaxy SII with ICS for $200. Compare this to my verizon plan where I paid $67 a month for 450 minutes, 200 texts, and 300 mb of data. I think Sprint is doing just fine.

  53. Re:This is the difference between knowledge & by mitcheli · · Score: 1

    @Rabtech: "Once you understand these things, you realize that Sprint is a good play, albeit somewhat risky. The market just goes off headlines (often completely bogus ones, see every Apple story ever) and freaks out. Those are excellent buying opportunities if you understand what is really going on with a company."

    I've been waiting for this miracle to play out that you mentioned here for 3 years. All the while faithfully paying $10 a month for 4G service per phone when WiMax (let alone LTE) was no where to be seen in my area. Every time I called Sprint or went to a Sprint store, I was always given the line, "upgrades are underway and we expect to see 4G service in your area in a few months." ... It got to the point where the non-Sprint owned Sprint stores staff started saying, "honestly, I can't give you a straight answer."

    So while I appreciate the great information you posted here and would really love to be with Sprint still because it is the company I felt most comfortable with, I am firmly aware that unless they do change something in a big way, statements like the ones you posted are vaporware. I certainly didn't write this article because I was reading headlines. The headlines are a reflection of the service those millions of customers have had to endure. Not the other way around.

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  54. Was a Sprint customer for 15 years by HangUpAndDrive · · Score: 1

    My wife used her Samsung Epic side-slider for phone and hotspotting for her 1-person business office, and loved it. When it started having problems, Sprint talked her into an iPhone5. It didn't work well enough for hotspotting in our (fringe) area, silently losing internet connections frequently. Replacement iphone had the same response. When she tried to replace it with an S4 she was told "only after they received iphone at the warehouse by mail and contacted her". Her response - "You want me to give up my business phone for at least a week and wait for your call?". Them, "It's policy". Her: "Wow Verizon S4 is awesome, it is more expensive but LTE is really fast." Bottom line: For want of a single "upgrade eligible" flag in their database, Sprint lost a 15-year $110/month customer.