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Ghostwriter Reveals the Secret Life of WikiLeaks Founder Julian Assange

An anonymous reader writes "From the Telegraph, 'He is vain, secretive, paranoid and jealous, prone to leering at young women and making frequent sexist jokes – and that's not the view of one of his many enemies, but of a friend ... A damning picture of Julian Assange ... has emerged in a detailed account by his ghostwriter. Assange behaves ... like an egotistical tyrant interested more in his own self-publicity than in changing the world. Worse still, he turns on his friends with increasing regularity ... Assange describes the Ecuadorean ambassador offering him diplomatic asylum as 'mad', 'fat' and 'ludicrous'. Even Assange's girlfriend, WikiLeaks researcher Sarah Harrison, grew increasingly frustrated at his behaviour. 'He openly chats girls up and has his hands on their a**e and goes nuts if I even talk to another guy,' she says. O'Hagan, who had hoped to find an anti-authoritarian rebel figure worthy of admiration, says he comes to regard Assange as someone who sacrificed the moral high-ground by attempting to evade trial over the rape charges.' — The Scotsman adds, 'Canongate director Jamie Byng yesterday hailed O'Hagan's account of the "impossibility of trying to ghost Assange's memoirs". He tweeted: "Andy O'Hagan's compelling, ring side account of Being (& being around) Julian Assange is smart, accurate and fair."'"

359 comments

  1. So? by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sounds like much we already knew or suspected. I'm more interested in why some people keep trying to show us what an awful character Assange is, instead of focussing on what he has done. Love him and Wikileaks or hate them; the latter seems a lot more relevant.

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    1. Re:So? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You shouldn't suspect anything. The fact is we have no idea what he is really like, except that it almost certainly isn't what the media have portrayed.

      The fact that Slashdot posts this shit is a sad sign of the slow decline. You wouldn't get this over at SoylentNews.

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    2. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you can vilify someone, you no longer have to refute their message.

    3. Re:So? by poetmatt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Additionally, the man is effectively in captivity under a lot of stress. That can present a very different person than that individual might be if not for being locked in the fucking embassy, for example.

    4. Re:So? by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      So, stop acting like Assange is an angel who could never have committed the crimes of which he is accused.

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    5. Re:So? by dugancent · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We should be more interested in WikiLeaks and their info/message, not the blonde guy at the top.

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    6. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why do we either have to love both Assange and Wikileaks, or hate both Assange and Wikileaks?

      You can love Wikileaks and hate Assange, or love Assange and hate Wikileaks. To even bring in finer shades of grey, you can believe that Assange is probably not that nice of a person, and the Swedish investigation is legitimate, but still appreciate the effort put towards Wikileaks, and you can appreciate some of what Wikileaks has done but dislike other acts of Wikileaks.

    7. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      What crimes? Sex without a condom?

    8. Re:So? by cold+fjord · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Assange's history of treating other people like dirt, including allies, friends, and Wikileaks volunteers, goes back long before he chose to jump bail and become a fugitive from justice. It hasn't exactly been much of a secret either.

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    9. Re:So? by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 0

      It all depends on if you agree with his radical left-wing politics or not. If you do, then he's an angel who can do no wrong.

      Remember Jerry Falwell? He was hanged in the court of public opinion because he didn't practice the virtues he preached. All his preaching and life advice was evidently void because of how he conducted his personal life.

      I'm not pro-Falwell at all, don't mistake me. I just tried to find an equivalent figure on the other side of the fence that people could relate to. On one side, if you have a good message but you're a shit person, let's ignore it. On the other, the fact that you're a shit person completely discredits the message you send. So, which is it: one or the other? Answer: two legs good, four legs better.

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    10. Re:So? by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sounds like much we already knew or suspected. I'm more interested in why some people keep trying to show us what an awful character Assange is, instead of focussing on what he has done. Love him and Wikileaks or hate them; the latter seems a lot more relevant.

      Probably because like here, the people who support him make a ton of noise about how he is just a saint who has been vilified by a vengeful US government and those who say "Hmm... maybe he's not a good guy after all" tend to get drowned out. Bradley Manning might have an interesting take on whether his friendship with Assange was worth it in the end. And as to a certain extent he's arguably a criminal avoiding justice, it does tend to cast a negative light over everything he does. My biggest questions are things like "Why do you only seem to publish things that put the US in a bad light? Where are the secrets from places like Russia and China, where we know corruption is the norm?" Suppose he was given information about how top Chinese Communist Party officials secretly own various businesses and profit extraordinarily from them while they keep wages down for their employees and he chose not to publish it. Would those of you who defend him still do so? How do we really know that he's not selectively releasing the information he gets to suit some ulterior motive that most supporters wouldn't like?

    11. Re: So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Leopards don't change spots...

    12. Re:So? by rev0lt · · Score: 1

      Well, an autobiography is about the messenger, not necessarily the message.

    13. Re:So? by Nemesisghost · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You shouldn't suspect anything. The fact is we have no idea what he is really like, except that it almost certainly isn't what the media have portrayed.

      The fact that Slashdot posts this shit is a sad sign of the slow decline. You wouldn't get this over at SoylentNews.

      How do you know that that he isn't the prick that the media has made him out to be? Here we are talking about a guy who was willing to sacrifice confidential informants & journalists just to reveal the truth of how bad the US is. Anyone willing to push their agenda at the costs of innocents is not someone to be admired.

      If SoylentNews is going to filter out news it finds distasteful, then I'll stick with Slashdot. I don't need a nerdy version of FoxNews/MSNBC.

    14. Re:So? by cheesybagel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Innocents? They provided him the information. In most countries just doing that is enough to get convicted for treason. If they didn't want the information to be published why did they give it to Wikileaks to begin with?

      Do you think there is anyone with a flawless personality? I still admire him for what he did exposing all that information. But it doesn't mean I need to appreciate his entire way of life.

    15. Re:So? by mlw4428 · · Score: 1

      I suspect it has a lot to do with persuading the government(s) that are protecting him to stop doing so. He SHOULD face his day in court over the rape allegations. His Wikileaks stuff is another issue and I realize the connections (mainly he'll get hit with the Wikileaks stuff whenever he gets his trial for the sexual assault), but I do not believe one person's political actions should deprive others the right for justice.

    16. Re:So? by Opportunist · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Pretty much this.

      Personally, I don't really care too much about him. I care about Wikileaks.

      So he is what? Vain, ok. Who cares? Secretive and paranoid. Hmm... I'd guess you get that way if you run something like Wikileaks. Prone to leering at young women. Hmm. Would you feel better if he was leering at young guys? Why the fuck should I care what he likes to fuck, for all I care he could fuck his lunch before he eats it.

      It feels a bit like back with Clinton. Nobody cares about what he does, but he fucked someone he shouldn't. Why the fuck is that relevant?

      Oh, and I make sexist jokes too. Here's one: What does it mean when the wife is in the living room? That the chain that's supposed to keep her in the kitchen is too long.

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    17. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah, which is why we're all still using ReiserFS.

    18. Re:So? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Angel? He certainly is no angel. But when I weigh good vs. bad, he's still pretty much on the good side.

      The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.

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    19. Re:So? by Sarten-X · · Score: 2

      ...instead of focussing on what he has done.

      One of the things he's done is built a cult of followers who insist that he's leaking secrets purely for the good of the world. It's reached the point where anyone criticizing him is dismissed outright as being a brainwashed government shill, especially here on Slashdot where the hivemind reigns supreme.

      However, the actual existence of a benevolent intent is what makes all the difference, factually. If Assange's claims of benevolence are honest, then he's a whistleblower who only gave information to enemies out of necessity or accident. If he really only cared about spilling secrets, then he's a spy who communicates through a very public medium, using scandalous stories as obfuscation.

      We can't really "focus on what he has done", without a clear idea of exactly what that is. Is he a whistleblower or is he a spy? Only Assange knows for sure, but whatever he says is obviously biased. For anyone else interested in facts, the only materials we have to consider are articles like this - written by observers, showing only their observations of the man's behavior. Maybe they support his claims, and maybe not.

      When we consider the effects of Assange's actions, we should not forget the parts that oppose our own preferred opinions. In comparison, consider that Joseph Stalin helped defeat the Nazis and establish his country as a superpower. On the other hand, he was a tyrant whose powerful nation was forged by oppressing dissent. A few generations from now, if we consider Julian Assange to be a hero, do we include the word "accidental"?

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    20. Re:So? by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      That's pretty much the point. Why does anyone care about his autobiography? I care about one of his projects.

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    21. Re:So? by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      The information he released did not only implicate people in the US. It just happened most information he got came from the US so that's what he published that is all.

      I don't expect Julian to be flawless. I never do. No one is flawless.

    22. Re:So? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I can't remember Assange preaching abstinence or fucking with condoms.

      The difference is maybe that Assange never claimed to be holier-than-thou.

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    23. Re: So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Something about trees and their fruit... how does it go again?

    24. Re:So? by DerekLyons · · Score: 2

      Sounds like much we already knew or suspected. I'm more interested in why some people keep trying to show us what an awful character Assange is, instead of focussing on what he has done. Love him and Wikileaks or hate them; the latter seems a lot more relevant.

      Probably because like here, the people who support him make a ton of noise about how he is just a saint who has been vilified by a vengeful US government and those who say "Hmm... maybe he's not a good guy after all" tend to get drowned out.

      This. And because it places his requests for "cooperation" from various agencies/corporations and his threats (carried out at least once) to shut down Wikileaks until he was funded in a... very interesting light. Not to mention it also casts light on the various internal rifts and defections, policy decisions at various stages of Wikileak's life, etc... etc...

    25. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Innocents? They provided him the information.

      No. The innocents he sacrificed aren't the ones who leaked the information, but the ones the information was about, as well as any potential future information sources against dangerous regimes and companies.

    26. Re: So? by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Yes, the apple tree must stand tall to give you apples. But do you care about how the tree became the tree it is now from the sapling it once was? No, you want the tree to stand there because you want the apples!

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    27. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If someone says you can have sex if you wear a condom you have consent for sex with a condom. If you don't wear the condom you didn't have consent. Sex without consent is ________

    28. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "It all depends on if you agree with his radical left-wing politics or not."

      No, it does not. You could be a dues-paying John Bircher and agree with the Wikileaks mission. Arguably more so than a "radical left-winger".

      Falwell? Puh-lease! Just a Bushite neo-con stooge and coattail-rider. Follow the money. His modus operandi is the same as true OSOTF Al Gore's.

      The whole thing is an ad hominem smear job. Assange's allegedly incorrect interpersonal skills is not the issue that concern us here. This is just another example of the tactics of personal destruction the CIA used on Jim Garrison, for example.

      Why is this even a story? Because most people are sloppy thinkers who accept your opening premise.

    29. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try going to wikileaks sometime. Most of the info is about other governments and countries. Sheesh...

    30. Re:So? by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      See? There it is again. If he agrees with me, then he's automatically good.

      I think it's pretty obvious that everyone needs to be against sexism and rape. It's unsaid. If you are, then you're a horrid person who needs to be savaged in the media. It happens all the time.

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    31. Re:So? by PRMan · · Score: 1

      Exactly. So why did he hate "The Fifth Estate" so much? Sounds like it captured him accurately or even better than reality (since it didn't show up treating women like sex objects).

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    32. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      It wasn't rape and it wasn't until the US government leaned heavily on the authorities in Sweden that it suddenly became rape. As I recall they had to convince the women that they had been raped.

    33. Re:So? by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.

      Then, why does Assange's "need" outweigh the needs and rights of his alleged victims and the people/government of Sweden to have the allegations against him investigated?

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    34. Re:So? by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      If someone says you can have sex if you wear a condom you have consent for sex with a condom. If you don't wear the condom you didn't have consent.

      Bullshit.

      It is only rape if you're fucking her, she says stop and you don't.

      If she never said stop...till it was over, it wasn't rape.

      You can't retroactively withdraw consent after the act is done and over with....

      Consent is allowing penetration, wearing a rubber or not is not part of what constitutes consent.

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    35. Re:So? by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      Oh, and I make sexist jokes too. Here's one: What does it mean when the wife is in the living room? That the chain that's supposed to keep her in the kitchen is too long.

      LOL...

      Remember when loading the dishwasher, meant getting the wife drunk?

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    36. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The analogy your trying to make is only useful if Assange's character flaws extend to hypocrisy in hiding facts about his life.

      To the extent that Wikileaks is about exposing secrets, to the extent that a person, as opposed to government, has a 'right to privacy', Assange has a right to keep his private life as secret as he wants unless it extends in to the realm where the public has a 'right to know', e.g. if indeed he is a rapist than the public has a right to know. In that respect if he's hiding details about his activities that may demonstrate that he is a rapist then that would make him a hypocrite & the same as Falwell. Being a misogynist or otherwise just being an asshole has nothing to do with it.

      Falwell was rightfully 'hanged' because he was a freakin' hypocrite to the core, saying one thing & doing another, as far as I can tell that isn't what Assange's character flaw is. So, should we 'like Assange', well that's up to individuals but if I met him I certainly wouldn't want to be friends with the guy, what he did in setting up Wikileaks however is still admirable until proven otherwise.

    37. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that's not what happened. Sex was consented to. I see your troll card is best played in repetition.

    38. Re:So? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      We stopped using ReiserFS because its performance really wasn't very good compared to its modern competition.

    39. Re:So? by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      Assange never made a career out of giving people advice on how to conduct their sex lives or personal lives. He's critical of big governments and their actions (such as engaging in wars). Unlike Falwell, he isn't a hypocrite, because Assange is not a government, nor a member of any government, or anyone with any kind of governmental or military power whatsoever: it's impossible for him to practice (or not) what he preaches.

    40. Re:So? by blue+trane · · Score: 1

      But if you're drugged or drunk before falling asleep, then it's consent?

      http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/15/...

    41. Re:So? by asmkm22 · · Score: 1

      Assuming this is true, I'm curious about why Sarah Harrison is still involved as closely as she is. I've sometimes wondered if she found Snowden to be more of the kind of person she thought or hoped Assange was.

    42. Re:So? by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Assange Left Wing? Never struck me that way. He seems agnostic on left/right. His politics are libertarian.

    43. Re:So? by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      His intentions might be interesting as tittle-tattle. What's important is whether the leaks have done good. And as they've brought facts about the duplicity and crimes of a number of governments into the public domain, it's undoubtably good - unless you are a politician with something to hide.

    44. Re:So? by aichpvee · · Score: 0

      The personal failings of one man seem mighty inconsequential against the failings of government and large corporations that have been exposed by Wikileaks. The latter definitely does not deserve national and international media hype at the same time that the former is getting buried.

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    45. Re:So? by NotDrWho · · Score: 2

      A lot of people don't understand that the CIA realized that character assassination is MUCH more effective (and less messy) than physical assassination a long time ago. It's also a great way to deal with an IMF head who suddenly decides to start challenging the dollar.

      This sounds like the latest salvo in a concerted effort to assassinate Assange's character (since Ecuador and the UK would probably frown on anything more direct). Not sure how they got to his ghostwriter (or if he was perhaps a plant all along). But it's clear that they did.

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    46. Re:So? by Dialecticus · · Score: 2

      ...goes back long before he chose to jump bail and become a fugitive from justice.

      He may be a fugitive from something, but it strains credulity to call it "justice".

    47. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm more interested in why some people keep trying to show us what an awful character the US Government is, instead of focussing on what it has done.

    48. Re:So? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      The fact is we have no idea what he is really like

      So he is what the overwhelming majority of the human population will ever be to any of us? Didn't expect that!

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    49. Re:So? by Triklyn · · Score: 2

      "say yes... ... um, yes?

      consent, you guys heard it, that was consent"

      i'm paraphrasing the league there, poorly, but please, please stop being facetious and obtuse.
      conditional statements don't just automatically default to true.

      if (a == 1)
      b=1;
      else
      b=1;

      is a pretty retarded statement.

    50. Re: So? by Triklyn · · Score: 1

      fruit of a poisonous tree.

    51. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do we either have to love both Assange and Wikileaks...

      Because his supporters will modbomb and troll you if you don't.

      Assange is above criticism in their view, practically speaking.

    52. Re:So? by ultranova · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The fact that Slashdot posts this shit is a sad sign of the slow decline.

      I disagree. While the description of Assange is obviously untrustworthy, and most likely an attempt at character assasination, it's quite newsworthy that such attempts continue. It paints a frightening picture of not Assange, but the state of our Western democracies.

      Also, Slashdot's discussion system means everyone gets to see both the reactions such a story generates, and even more importantly the moderations they receive. It is quite relevant to all of us and the future of our civilization if such sustained effort to destroy the credibility of resistance actually produces results.

      None of us knows anything about Assange from credible sources, so everyone is free to believe what they will. Thus what they choose to believe reflects their pre-existing bias, not unlike in the Zimmerman-Martin affair (where people apparently used their crystal balls to come up with ludicrously detailed blow-by-blow descriptions of what obviously must have happened). It matters little if Assange is a scoundrel, a Cape, or a mere human; but it matters a lot whether people are willing to simply take the government's word of it.

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    53. Re:So? by fredprado · · Score: 1

      Completely confused with your poor attempt to distort facts. There was no violence in the act, as the "victim" confessed. If there was not consent, at any moment the woman could have stopped it, which she chose not to do. Regretting your decision later does not make consensual sex into rape, sorry.

    54. Re:So? by Triklyn · · Score: 1

      because intentions matter, if nothing else than to distinguish good role models from bad.

      do we want to teach the next generation that government responsibility and transparency are virtues, and that acting in service to the truth is good? that whistleblowing is something to be admired? or do we want to show them that it's a good way to serve attention-seeking narcissists?

      Because motive counts, why we make a distinction between murder and manslaughter. or if that is too hyperbolic... how you would perceive a politician that's say, blackmailed into voting for better emissions standards less highly than one that believes in it himself, even though their votes mean the same things.

      i've never liked the look of assange, he's always looked a bit sketch.

    55. Re:So? by killkillkill · · Score: 1

      I've seen and heard his interviews. Sure, it falls quite short of personally knowing him and there is certainly a mask of some sort to portray how he wants the public to perceive him rather than a reflection of his real personality. However, that is the vibe I always got from him. There is a limit to how many people we can know personally. To be able to function within those limits we have instincts. Empirical evidence should be sought when possible and opinions based on instincts should be held loosely. The events surrounding this man are quite important to our world and it's worth thinking about and having an opinion. His motives and personality do play a role in how much trust one should put in the man and insights like this are about the best we have without scheduling a meeting with him.

      Re: SoylentNews Quite a few of the stories I've seen there so far seem to have a heavy "conspiracy theory" spin to them. I could see this posted there, only it would have a line about O'Hagan being an NSA shill. That being said, Slashdot has been in decline for a while and I will be heading over to SoylentNews to read, comment, and support that website after I am done here.

    56. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You wouldn't get this over at SoylentNews.

      As much as I hate the current state of Slashdot, this is exactly why I'm still here and not at SoylentNews.

    57. Re:So? by paazin · · Score: 1

      do we want to teach the next generation that government responsibility and transparency are virtues, and that acting in service to the truth is good? that whistleblowing is something to be admired? or do we want to show them that it's a good way to serve attention-seeking narcissists?

      This. It saddens me how much vitriol is offered in return to people who suggest as much; sort of bewildering.

    58. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget that he'll show you contempt if you're not on his side, and apparently also if you are on his side.

    59. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's pretty much the point. Why does anyone care about his autobiography? I care about one of his projects.

      Ob Godwin's car analogy: Wikileaks is the Volkswagen Beetle. Assange is Hitler.

    60. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And coincidentally, the performance seemed to drop off pretty quickly after Reiser's arrest.

    61. Re:So? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Probably because so many people are obviously ignoring the flaws. Ie, they claim the rape charges are purely made up as a convoluted plot against him. Anyone who used to work at wikileaks who is not in Assange's good graces are disparaged by legions of fans. Maybe you could say that we already knew this stuff, but there are many who jumped quickly in his defense calling foul whenever someone points out the flaws of Assange, accusing them of being in league with the enemy. Meanwhile he has actually harmed wikileaks through his ego, turning it into a private club instead of a cooperative.

    62. Re:So? by tigersha · · Score: 0

      Uhm, he is accused of rape. By an Swedish Woman. What part of "I am trying to hide behind my so-called activism to deal with the reality that I am a fucking rapist" did you not get? Assange needs to be put on trial in Sweden for rape. Otherwise justice is NOT served. Why would the world be a better place if any other purported rapist gets away with asylum in a frikking embassy?

      Everything in the whole rape story corroborated what his friends are now saying about him.

      Same story with Oscar Pistorius btw, He also had a reputation for being vicious short tempered gun nut before he shot his SO.

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    63. Re:So? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Kind of sad. Why is SoylentNews not having this article? Presumably because 99% of their articles are about technology.
      On the other hand, why wouldn't this story be here? This is not some story to bolster Dice's revenues, instead it is yet another in a long series of stories about Assange, wikileaks, governmental secrecy, etc.

    64. Re:So? by bussdriver · · Score: 1

      "The Fifth Estate" isn't a Hollywood film then? ;-) Women are sex objects in most their films; they didn't have gratuitous sex scenes in the film? Maybe there is some merit to the film?

    65. Re:So? by ultranova · · Score: 1

      It all depends on if you agree with his radical left-wing politics or not. If you do, then he's an angel who can do no wrong.

      If your house goes up in a massive explosion a week before you were supposed to testify against a Mafia don, then maybe it was a random gas leak. Maybe. But that's neither the only possible nor even the most credible explanation. And people who point this out might be motivated by factors beyond sympathy for your political opinions.

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    66. Re:So? by Darinbob · · Score: 3, Insightful

      People forget this part. They see Assange as a saintly figure who cares deeply about all his human worshippers. There were Afghanis who worked secretly with the US had their names revealed, putting their lives in danger. Now if Assange had admitted he didn't know about these names being released then I could see his fans forgivin this lapse in judgement. However Assange said that he did not care if those people died because they had been cooperating with the US, and his fans don't seem to notice or care.

      Assange is not just a messenger here.

    67. Re:So? by cold+fjord · · Score: 2

      ... but it matters a lot whether people are willing to simply take the government's word of it.

      Or Assange's word. And this story isn't from "the government," but from someone he chose to work with.

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    68. Re:So? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      If we have no idea, then it would be just as likely to be what the media portrayed as any other thing.

      Up your logic. Not knowing doesn't mean you know.

    69. Re:So? by Darinbob · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There is no evidence about this farcical plot. If the US wanted Assange they could have had their UK lapdogs turn him over much more easily than devising a mission impossible scheme to get Sweden involved.

      "As you recall" I presume is based on the authorized story supplied by the Assange supporters? Scrubbed and polished so that the hero never looks bad in any way and is only a victim. The whole point of this article is to show that maybe his story isn't so clear and clean.

      For everyone who says "maybe he's not an angel, but you have to listen to the message", why don't they also say "maybe he is a rapist, but you have to listen to the message"? This is because they know the message won't be listened to if it comes from a rapist, which is the incentive they have to deny that it ever happened, or to claim that Sweden somehow is in bed with the US, that Assange's very life is in danger, that the women were coerced or have financial gain to lie, etc.

    70. Re:So? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      You're being intentionally misleading. If you have sex with somebody, and then fall asleep in bed with them, they do have consent. If they slip it in in the morning and you don't want it, you say "no," and then you've withdrawn consent, and they have to stop. But you don't have to ask verbal consent constantly with a lover, especially one you're literally sleeping with after the act.

    71. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is part of the problem. Someone pointing out character flaws in Assange is immediately jumped on as being anti-Wikileaks and pro-government-secrecy. Why can't anyone just be honest and say that the are glad that a scumbag exposed other scumbags?

    72. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one

      Scary talk that... scenarios like this come to mind " sorry Ma'am I know you were brutalized but General* XYZ is so important to the greater good that we overlook his indiscretions for the good of society"

      * replace General with President, scientist, doctor, etc as you see fit

    73. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree, we should move on and let him be tried for an alleged rape.

      WikiLeaks and it's legacy will carry on, but one good deed doesn't replace a terrible one.

    74. Re:So? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      slashdot will always have the hive mind, but the nerds jumped ship for soylent news.

    75. Re:So? by Macgrrl · · Score: 1

      A friend of mine went to school with him and was reasonably close with him growing up. He has characterised Assange as sociopathic, largely as a result of his upbringing. Nothing would surprise me at this point.

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    76. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The powers that be would much rather you focus on the messenger than the message. And yeah, Slashdot increasingly looks like a status-quo sockpuppet these days. Assange is an asshole! Net Neutrality is bad!

    77. Re:So? by epyT-R · · Score: 0, Troll

      Sweden is the feminist and PC capital of the world. The definition of rape there is so broad, and the people so indoctrinated into the victim complex inherent in identity politics, that the probability of false accusations is very high. The fact this accusation came out only after wikileaks makes it even more suspect. What better way to both discredit someone, globally, and deny him asylum in a crazy pc, yet otherwise politically ideal (asylum wise) place like Sweden than with false accusations of sexual misconduct? I think this was done under pressure (or via a cia OP) from the us government because, otherwise, Sweden would've been an ideal candidate for asylum.

      Not that any of this is relevant to the ramifications of what he exposed.

    78. Re:So? by epyT-R · · Score: 2

      In free countries the press is supposed to fill the function of wikileaks. Of course, today's 'journalists' are too busy 'making a difference' to do their damn jobs.

    79. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Her: You can have sex with me if you use a condom:
      Him: Ok, sure, I'm wearing one.
      Afterwards
      Him: J/K, no condom for me!

      Consent is not an all or nothing thing, it can be conditional, and in fact it usually is highly conditional.

      If your theory is actually supported by the law, why doesn't he follow the law and submit to the warrant? Let a court sort it out? Perhaps because he knows he raped her?

      The mission of wikileaks needs to be separated from Assange. Unfortuantely, too many people think they need to build him up and support him to support the idea of the organization.

      My advice: dump him, move on, do some good.

      As a final aside, your "regretting your decision later does not make it into rape" men's rights crap is just that, complete and utter crap and bullshit.

    80. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I've personally spent time around Assange, back in the late 1990s. He is most definitely a prick. That doesn't lessen the value of wikileaks though.

    81. Re:So? by recharged95 · · Score: 1

      Sounds like Assange is the Bill Gates of information.

      I mean, I know we all love Windows cause we love Bill...

      Now Assange needs a Steve Jobs equivalent.

    82. Re:So? by fredprado · · Score: 0

      And consent can be implicitly given by not rejecting advances. No act that does not involve violence or drugging can be classified as rape, period.

      Regarding the law, Swedish law has been proved time and again to be extremely flexible when US interests are involved. See Piratebay's travesty of a judgment for reference.

    83. Re:So? by S.O.B. · · Score: 1

      Angel? He certainly is no angel. But when I weigh good vs. bad, he's still pretty much on the good side.

      The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.

      That saying is meant to describe sacrificing a few in a noble cause for the greater good not to excuse predatory behaviour.

      Although I'm sure that's how the Catholic church sees it.

      --
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    84. Re:So? by fredprado · · Score: 1

      Oh, and one more thing, should we apply your logic we should start by arresting every woman that lied to a man about her pills and got pregnant, instead of making the poor chaps pay for life for a child they did not consent in having. That would require an ungodly number of new prison buildings, rest assured.

    85. Re:So? by Catbeller · · Score: 2

      No. he is not accused of rape. He has been accused of nothing.

      And the stories about his womanizing? Almost every guy posting at Slashdot. Perception management is everything.

    86. Re:So? by Catbeller · · Score: 1

      He has been accused of nothing. He has been charged with nothing. A friendly right-wing judge helped the US publicize allegations made by two women - one of whom has bowed out in disgust and wants nothing more to do with the US's little Paula Jones games.

      Amazing. They must have tracked his every movement, interviewed every woman he ever talked to, to find two woman who would allege he had sex without a condom - which is only a crime in that country. And one of them walked away. Wonder what they have on the other woman - or how much she's been paid.

      They smeared him, and set him up for an extradition snatch when he was to come in for "questioning".

      And they have a lot of perception management sock puppets in this thread.

    87. Re:So? by Catbeller · · Score: 1

      No one ever did. And every one of you, at some time in your life, acted the fool in front of a woman. So, we will not be surprised when you are accused of crimes.

      Which is more than what Assange faces, because he is accused of nothing.

    88. Re:So? by Catbeller · · Score: 2

      "Probably because like here, the people who support him make a ton of noise about how he is just a saint who has been vilified by a vengeful US government..."

      Straw man. No one is a saint. No one said he is a saint. And he has been vilified, tracked, and set up by an
      EXTREMELY vengeful US intelligence community - which is much different - and separate from - the US government. Governments come and go, but our real masters live behind the scenes and pull perception management stunts like this.

      How many men, how much money, did they spend to track down every physical movement, every call, every text, every phone call he made? And interview every woman they could find that slept with him until they found two (sleeping with him at the same time) who would say "boo"? And further, one of those dropped the matter with disgust once she found the US was using her to get Assange.

    89. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're incorrect. The swedish woman is not accusing him of rape. There was an accusation of having unprotected sex without disclosing that he had had unprotected sex with another person, but the woman retracted it when she realized that she was being used as a pawn of the US government. The Swedish government is seeking Assange for "questioning" in the case, but everybody knows it would be a miracle if he made it across the sidewalk in front of the embassy before being kidnapped and sent to the middle east for torture by US intelligence agencies.

    90. Re:So? by NoOneInParticular · · Score: 1

      How do you know that that he isn't the prick that the media has made him out to be?

      Who cares? You're just shooting the messenger. The media is simply trying to cover up the fact that they seized to be ... the media. Now we depend on the likes of Assange to question the actions of the powerful. And you complain about Assange?

    91. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uhm, Tigersha? You a liar buddy. You have been accused of "rape" of the facts of the matter. You are a rapist of the truth.

    92. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Assange said that he did not care if those people died because they had been cooperating with the US, and his fans don't seem to notice or care.

      [citation needed]

    93. Re: So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The apples doesn't fall far from the tree.

    94. Re:So? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      And the stories about his womanizing? Almost every guy posting at Slashdot.

      Womanizing isn't really the same thing as fantasizing.

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    95. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Assange's history of treating other people like dirt, including allies, friends, and Wikileaks volunteers, goes back long before....

      So? Steve Jobs treated people like shit, too, and was paranoid, vain, exploitative, irrational, and prone to fits of rage. That's well documented along with his substantial talents. Now they're putting him on a friggin' US Postal Service stamp. Before long there will be statues erected to him. He's effectively St Steve of the Holy Apple. Treating people like utter shit only matters if you're not valorized as a wonder boy of capitalism.

    96. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is wrong on so many levels.

      Not accused of rape.
      Not accused by a Swedish woman of rape (unless you referring to the Swedish prosecutor).

      If you were to run a microscope over the lives of people who own or manage media organizations you are unlikely to come away thinking "Wow, what a nice bunch of people". Hello what's her name and hubby from "News of the World" phone hacking inquiry.

      These articles, when they appear are part of the continuing effort to mold public opinion. It's done so that when they CS the Embassy in London and drag him into the street and a waiting paddy wagon or he's bundled into a plane in Sweden in chains and a hood the world will shrug their collective shoulders and think "hmmpf, well the scumbag rapist had it coming". A meme you just reinforced by the way, well done. Apparently the plan is working.

    97. Re:So? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I agree that it is worth having a discussion about the on-going situation, but that's not what this story was. It's a credit to the Slashdot community that something worthwhile came out of it. Back in the day Taco would have gathered up some alternative views and added a line or two to balance out the summary, but not these days.

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    98. Re:So? by doom · · Score: 2

      We stopped using ReiserFS because its performance really wasn't very good compared to its modern competition.

      Really? No numbers I've ever seen have ever tested file systems in the one case the ReiserFS targeted but no one else seems to have: large numbers of small files.

      But then, I haven't stopped using ReiserFS either. (And yes, it is being maintained, last I looked the Debian team was still doing bug fixes to Reiser 3.)

    99. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Irrelevant. Until it is illegal to be an egotistical, unpleasant, chauvinistic asshole, this is all irrelevant. Why people even care what sort of person he is - why they want him to be a saint - and why he did what he did, is completely beyond me.

    100. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eh.. he is neither a whistleblower or a spy. Wikileaks is simply a publisher. A publisher of last resort that will practically publish anything.

    101. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      A reporter worried that Assange would risk killing Afghans who had co-operated with American forces if he put US secrets online without taking the basic precaution of removing their names. "Well, they're informants," Assange replied. "So, if they get killed, they've got it coming to them. They deserve it." A silence fell on the table as the reporters realised that the man the gullible hailed as the pioneer of a new age of transparency was willing to hand death lists to psychopaths. They persuaded Assange to remove names before publishing the State Department Afghanistan cables. But Assange's disillusioned associates suggest that the failure to expose "informants" niggled in his mind.

      -- The treachery of Julian Assange

    102. Re:So? by rev0lt · · Score: 1

      Did you read TFA? The article was about remarks made by a guy that apparently was gatering the data for the autobiography. The whole article IS about Assange as a person, not WikiLeaks or whatever. If you don't find that interesting, well, neither do I, but it doesn't change the fact that it is NOT an article about WikiLeaks, its about Assange. Live with it.

    103. Re:So? by HeckRuler · · Score: 5, Informative

      There were Afghanis who worked secretly with the US had their names revealed

      Were there now?

      You'd think the Pentagon would have known about them:

      On 11 August 2010, a spokesman for the Pentagon told the Washington Post that "We have yet to see any harm come to anyone in Afghanistan that we can directly tie to exposure in the WikiLeaks documents",[55] although the spokesman asserted "there is in all likelihood a lag between exposure of these documents and jeopardy in the field." On 17 August, the Associated Press reported that "so far there is no evidence that any Afghans named in the leaked documents as defectors or informants from the Taliban insurgency have been harmed in retaliation."[56]

      In October, the Pentagon concluded that the leak "did not disclose any sensitive intelligence sources or methods", and that furthermore "there has not been a single case of Afghans needing protection or to be moved because of the leak."[57] Both Wikileaks and Greenwald pointed to this report as clear evidence that the danger caused by the leak had been vastly overstated.[58][59]

    104. Re:So? by evilviper · · Score: 1

      I'm more interested in why some people keep trying to show us what an awful character Assange is

      Clearly, samzenpus is the ringleader of this vast, multinational, and multi-billion dollar conspiracy.

      I just wonder how he convinced his corporate overlords at Dice to develop the Beta site, and I'm still not QUITE sure how that fits into demonizing Assange.

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    105. Re:So? by evilviper · · Score: 1

      Consent is allowing penetration, wearing a rubber or not is not part of what constitutes consent.

      Not wearing a condom would certainly count as some degree of assault in most countries. No question a criminal act. That the country it happened in chooses to call it some form of rape is immaterial.

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    106. Re:So? by Dan541 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So if I accuse you of rape, you should be dragged to my country for a crime you haven't even been charged with and then deported to a third country to face execution for breaking their laws?

      --
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    107. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But if you're drugged or drunk before falling asleep, then it's consent?

      Except thats not what happened.

    108. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I disagree. While the description of Assange is obviously untrustworthy, and most likely an attempt at character assasination, it's quite newsworthy that such attempts continue. It paints a frightening picture of not Assange, but the state of our Western democracies.

      You fanboys will never be able to believe that your Lord & Savior Assange could ever be a bad person, no matter how much solid evidence is presented.

        I really don't give a shit how much of a sleazebag the guy is, or is not. What pisses me off is that Wikileaks COULD have been a very good thing, when Assange became targeted he could have stepped away from Wikileaks and allowed it to continue. But he was too much of a pompous fuck to do that, and instead attempted to turn it into a tool to attack those he had a personal problem with (namely the US).
      He created Wikileaks, and his refusal to step away pretty much killed it.

      but it matters a lot whether people are willing to simply take the government's word of it.

      And it also matters that his devoted fans refuse to take ANYBODY's word that he's not the reincarnation of Christ himself.

    109. Re:So? by VikingNation · · Score: 0

      Why is he held up in the embassy?

    110. Re:So? by mcgrew · · Score: 2

      Falwell is a terrible example. Preachers are supposed to lead by example, they're supposed to be above worldly things (and believe it or not, many people both clergy and non-clergy are).

      A better example would be Bill Clinton or Newt Gingrich. With Clinton, he was a lousy husband but the best President I've seen since I started voting in 1972 (voting age was 21 in 1968). Those who hated him still hated him, everybody else complained about the government paying forty million bucks to prosecute a blow job.

      Gingrich was pretty much the epitome of evil while pretending to be a Christian (he actually worships money, like most Americans). Christians do NOT divorce their wives who are dying of cancer so they can legally bang some other chick. Yet he's still got a lot of clout (ran for Pres in 1012).

      Clergy are held to a higher standard than their congregations are. What's worse, Falwell practiced what he so vehemently preached against.

    111. Re:So? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      The quotes you have do say that there were names revealed. I did not say that these people were harmed, only that the release of documents put their lives in danger. It is only after the fact that we conclude that the danger may have been overblown. However AT THE TIME this was not clear, and many groups were upset about this, and it was only Assange who insisted on leaking the documents anyway. Was Assange gifted with omniscience to know that there would be no consequences and that he could safely ignore human rights groups who were concerned?

      From Assange: ""Well, anything might happen, but nothing has happened. And we are not about to leave the field of doing good simply because harm might happen"

      As well Assange said: "I'm very busy and have no time to deal with people who prefer to do nothing but cover their asses. If Amnesty does nothing I shall issue a press release highlighting its refusal." This is him basically saying that he did not want to do the hard work of redacting names, but instead blamed the military for not volunteering to do this, and similarly blamed Amnesty International for also not stepping up and volunteering to redact names. That is pure arrogance. He was basically saying he was going to release documents no matter what and that it was not his job at all to redact names and instead it is the fault of other people for not doing the job in his stead. Only if someone was hurt did he say that after the fact he would "review procedures".

    112. Re:So? by davydagger · · Score: 1

      I know right.

      Lets stop talking about Assange, and lets start talking about what he exposed. Its not like the man is running for office in the US of A, and even if he did, with his personality, he'd fit right in.

      We accept worse behavior from politicians and celebrities.

    113. Re:So? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      I know Assange didn't post any information to a perfectly good site (cryptome) because it wouldn't have been all about him. Instead he had to start another site where he could be the center of attention.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    114. Re:So? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      As stated upthread: Would lying about using birth control also be rape?

      When will we start rounding up all the women who were looking for a 18 year payday? Who will pay for all the new prisons?

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    115. Re:So? by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      No. he is not accused of rape. He has been accused of nothing.

      Q&A: Julian Assange and the law

      The founder of the Wikileaks website, Julian Assange, faces rape and sexual assault allegations in Sweden. In May, he lost his appeal to the UK's Supreme Court against extradition to Sweden and in June he took refuge in the embassy of Ecuador, which has granted him asylum.

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    116. Re:So? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      The people running wikileaks should just send a backup tape to cryptome and call it a day.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    117. Re:So? by Slashcrunch · · Score: 1

      I wish I had mod points to give go you.

    118. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What do you mean "we"? I bet there are a few dozen people here who really do know him but won't admit it as a non-AC.

      Julian Assange is a nerd. Many people in the Melbourne geek community have met him. I met him 20 odd years ago. Oh, and he has a Slashdot account and participated in many discussions back in the day, and has even submitted at least one article... about himself.

      I never saw the leering and arse-grabbing, but I can confirm that he is a) full of himself, b) deeply paranoid, and c) generally fucked up. You would be too if you had spent most of your childhood on the run from a cult.

    119. Re:So? by litehacksaur111 · · Score: 1

      Well then please explain why is Edward Snowden so respected while Julian Assange is hated here. (For the record I support what both of them did)

    120. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just because YOU want their laws to work that way doesn't make it a fact.

    121. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AssSausage is a cunt and probably a closeted faggot.

    122. Re:So? by ultranova · · Score: 1

      It's a credit to the Slashdot community that something worthwhile came out of it. Back in the day Taco would have gathered up some alternative views and added a line or two to balance out the summary, but not these days.

      Well, life is all about making something good from whatever you have. All editors can't be delicious.

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    123. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He has been accused of rape. He has not been charged with anything.

    124. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I concur with him being a prick.

      If it helps, think of the other nerd icons that get discussed around these parts. Linus, RMS, Theo, ESR... they are all bizarre and sometimes random individuals with deep character flaws. I've met Assange and ESR, and while there are some notable differences (ESR actually respects women, for example), there are some remarkable similarities, too.

      Someone like that is sometimes what you need. In Assange's case, what he did could only be done by someone who cannot be tied down. Someone who maintains a lasting monogamous relationship, or with a permanent home in some place, is someone with a weakness that "they" can exploit. Snowden gave up everything. Assange had nothing to give up.

    125. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But he was too much of a pompous fuck to do that, and instead attempted to turn it into a tool to attack those he had a personal problem with (namely The Guardian).

      FTFY

      Assange's personal problems are with people, not countries. And by "people", I mean pretty much everyone.

    126. Re:So? by Electricity+Likes+Me · · Score: 1

      He has been accused of nothing. He has been charged with nothing. A friendly right-wing judge helped the US publicize allegations made by two women - one of whom has bowed out in disgust and wants nothing more to do with the US's little Paula Jones games.

      Or you know, bowed out because an ongoing campaign of death threats and public humiliation and abuse just wasn't worth it?

    127. Re:So? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      So Wikileaks is going to be a hit after he is gone?

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    128. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      like an egotistical tyrant interested more in his own self-publicity than in changing the world

      I would agree whether you like or hate the guy the Wikileaks site as brought forth some interesting documents.

      But the fact remains that you have more people that think he is some type of self-made hero, he has stolen other peoples work, then credited himself or takes in all the glory making it appear as if he solely did all the work, if you do enough research, and there have been documentaries on the guy you'll find out he as more enemies then friends. And those enemies aren't just governments but people he f***ed over.

      It seems the media and internet folks are in a rush to label anyone a "whistle blower" when a lot of these 'whistle blowers' are in it for themselves, and what they have to say isn't any surprise because people had known about it for years. A true whistle blower is someone you'll never see or meet, and they have something to say to say that very, very few if anyone on the outside really knew about.

    129. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is so true. Assange's is more likely to be killed by the USG than brought over for torture/punishment. Were he to be put in jail, he'd be viewed as a martyr. Were he to recant his part in WL, would anyone believe it? No, not a chance. And if he was worried about the US, why on earth go to one of the US's biggest allies? Does that make any sense?

      I think he's hiding from spending time in a prison/jail in Sweeden. And yes, I know everyone thinks those charges are trumped up. But if they were, why such a light charge? why not go all out and hit him with child abuse or murder, or forced sex, not just not using a condom? If they're gonna frame him, they'll make their own evidence. I think that would be the MO if they were doing so. No, this guy's hiding because he fears going to jail. And I would assume he did it, otherwise why hide?

      Next thing, is if WikiLeaks really is a good thing, then the loss of one person shouldn't affect it that much. If it does, then that's a problem. At the best of times, Assange (as well as every single one of us) is one heartbeat away from death. But I would think it would go on if Assange were to die, or get imprisoned. In fact Assange pretty much is in prison now. So other than some communication, what really would change?

      And then there's what a rape (or sexual assault, I forget the exact charge) will do to WikiLeaks. We all know what it would do to Assange. And for WikiLeaks, unless its so dependent on Assange to be unworkable, would be just fine.

    130. Re:So? by joe545 · · Score: 1

      It's a misnomer to say he hasn't been charged. Swedish law has strict requirements regarding the timeline between charging and the court case which in principle means that they only charge someone when he is in their physical custody.

    131. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For everyone who says "maybe he's not an angel, but you have to listen to the message", why don't they also say "maybe he is a rapist, but you have to listen to the message"?

      That's irrelevant. His message is separate from his identity. If Kim Jong Un presents reliable evidence of, say, NSA spying, we shouldn't care care where the message is coming from: if the evidence is reliable it will stand on its own, and it won't excuse that little bastard from all the shit he's done otherwise.

      This is because they know the message won't be listened to if it comes from a rapist

      Because we're human and are vulnerable to the straw man fallacy. This is why these agencies are investing so much effort trying to discredit the personalities of the people they don't like, as in the case of Manning, Assange and Snowden.

      But it doesn't mean it's not a fallacy and that we shouldn't at least try to fight it. If we can't be immune to being human, then we should fight these obvious efforts to steer the discussion away from the real issues.
      There are arguments for both sides. No need to fight dirty.

      When lapdogs like you fall for these traps they win a little bit. When you post this tripe, you're supporting their goals to spread disinformation.
      Unless you're actively working for those bastards. If that's the case, then fuck you!

    132. Re:So? by poetmatt · · Score: 1

      Until you are charged, you are not charged. There is no exception.

    133. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The butthurt in you is strong! Your personal hero not the same hacktivist hero that existed in your imagination. Sorry. Reality sucks!

    134. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pff... i'm not using a FS made by a killer,
      i'm not flying at all since all planes are based on the V2 rocket, (epecially those ultralight bicycle planes )
      i'm not driving a BMW or mercedes, those are products made by those nazis .
      i never buy BASF tapes or cd's/dvd's/bluerays , they produced the gass to exterminate all those people in WOII..
      so i might not even consider reading leaks made by a perv (or whatever he's done /not done, or is nice / bastard really don't care)

      Hey i have an idea let's all blog about the bwitish secret service to spread lies/rumours/whatevers ..... (was also in those leaks, but then, haven't read them....)

      so... i don't care.... ( why am i writing this stuff then... dumbass me... )

    135. Re:So? by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      Not wearing a condom would certainly count as some degree of assault in most countries.

      Not using birth control is assault in other countries?!?!

      Seriously?

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    136. Re:So? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      By that reasoning, if you knock the woman unconscious, or drug her into insensibility, it isn't rape. Or, for that matter, if you use some sort of coercion on the woman and tell her to shut up. Rape is sex without consent, not sex against immediate objections. When Assange decided to stick it into a sleeping woman, he really did need prior consent. Arguably, he had permission for vaginal sex with a condom, which is not what he did. If we're going to be picky here, he didn't have consent at all, since consent isn't a perpetual thing.

      IIRC, he continued when told to get off, which is rape even according to your definition.

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    137. Re:So? by HeckRuler · · Score: 2

      Ah yes, everyone forgets those poor innocent informants that Julian Assange sacrificed. Except, it's not really a "sacrifice" as they're alive and well. They don't even need protection. At least according to the Pentagon.

      So... He put their lives in danger. At least, people were worried that they'd be in danger.

      Well, sort of. I mean, let's just say it like it is: The shills and apologists damn well hoped a few of them would wind up dead so they'd have something to throw at Assange.

      But yeah, the guy certainly comes off as a dick. And if that were in any way comparable to the blatantly evil and illegal bullshit that he helped expose, then I might hold it against him. Seriously, have you looked this stuff up? Your US taxpayers dollars helped buy young male sex slaves. DynCorp actually has a history of this and yet we still employ them.

    138. Re:So? by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      We always get the heroes we're given, not the ones we want.

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    139. Re:So? by evilviper · · Score: 1

      Not using birth control is assault in other countries?!?!

      A condom IS NOT JUST BIRTH CONTROL. It is, first and foremost, the only currently viable protection against sexually transmitted disease. Not using one is tantamount to spitting in a stranger's mouth. If someone with HIV doesn't use a condom against their partner's wishes, they will go to jail for some form of murder.

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    140. Re:So? by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 1

      Additionally, the man is effectively in captivity under a lot of stress. That can present a very different person than that individual might be if not for being locked in the fucking embassy, for example.

      Julian has always had serious user interface bugs, for example he would take a laptop along to family Christmas dinners because he thought they were boring and didn't want to talk to them. Having said that, I know other geeks who are at least as poorly socialised, if not more so, than him. Unfortunately being a media personality he now has to put up with having his private life exposed, as does every other celebrity ever. In that case compared to the antics of Charlie Sheen, Lindsay Lohan, Britney Spears, and an infinite lineup of others, he's pretty tame. And before everyone jumps on the bandwagon to criticise him, how many of you could have started Wikileaks?

  2. And it matters why? by fsck-beta · · Score: 2

    Yea a lot of people who do really amazing things aren't always the best people. Sure he deserves some criticism, but we obsess over these take down articles. Clickbait etc

    1. Re:And it matters why? by squiggleslash · · Score: 2

      Not just clickbait, but an actual hatchet-job which will be defended by Wikileaks opponents as "We know he's imperfect and you shouldn't be worshipping him" (which we weren't anyway.)

      Clearest clue this entire article is written in bad faith: this poor attempt to imply hypocrisy:

      But Assange, who was quite happy to reveal the secrets of governments around the world proved far more reluctant when it came to talking about his own past and private life.

      No idea if Assange is an unfaithful harasser of women or not, but this isn't an article I'd trust on the subject. And no, I'm a fan of the message, the messenger isn't important.

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    2. Re:And it matters why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not just clickbait, but an actual hatchet-job which will be defended by Wikileaks opponents as "We know he's imperfect and you shouldn't be worshipping him" (which we weren't anyway.)

      Clearest clue this entire article is written in bad faith: this poor attempt to imply hypocrisy:

      But Assange, who was quite happy to reveal the secrets of governments around the world proved far more reluctant when it came to talking about his own past and private life.

      No idea if Assange is an unfaithful harasser of women or not, but this isn't an article I'd trust on the subject. And no, I'm a fan of the message, the messenger isn't important.

      That sentence doesn't imply hypocrisy, just highlighting the irony of the situation as seen by the writer between Assange's views on how he is allowed to behave and how others should behave (and no, the concept of irony does not require a strictly logical contradiction between the two observations). If there is any hypocrisy alleged in the article, it is that Assange collected a large advance based on a contract that clearly specified that he had to deliver (with the help of a professional writer) an autobiography but messed the writer around for months. He wanted the writer to go with him to the Hay literary festival (probably the most prestigious in the UK) and talk about the autobiography when he hadn't actually done any significant work on it at that point and eventually he did go on his own - how can that be seen as straightforward behaviour? It is suggested that when the publisher eventually turned up to demand a book or the money back he delivered a patronising speech about how people who wrote autobiographies were somehow corrupt and announced that he would only agree to write a 'manifesto' that contained no real details about his life - hardly matching what he had previously agreed to in writing. He publically opposed the film about him but allegedly privately suggested that O'Hagan should become a consultant on the film and share a portion of the fee with him.

      That Assange is flawed is hardly surprising - everyone is, and people who do great things often have equally great flaws. But there doesn't seem to be an gram of humility in him. Whenever he gets in trouble, whenever he disagrees with people, it has to be because they are corrupt, because the CIA has 'got to them', because they are jealous and trying to steal credit from him. This causes real problems for real people: those who stand bail for him, or try to write books with him, or try to set up political parties with him, or to help him in other ways. It seems like the world is divided into the good (who agree with Assange on everything), the bad (who disagree with Assange on everything, but - crucially - accept him at face value) and the ignorant (who have not yet been exposed to enlightenment and made their choice whether to accept or reject it). His most vehement public resentment is always aimed towards those who agree with him in broad terms but want to do things differently, such as the Guardian or former Wikileaks staff. These people must be hypocrites, because how can they be telling the truth about their professed beliefs if they don't agree with Assange's obviously correct decisions about how to proceed?

      To me, this essay was not about the smearing the messenger but about questioning the message. It's about whether Assange is actually capable of offering a mature political philosophy; about whether there will ever be anything beyond a website that occasionally posts leaked documents. I'm not convinced that there ever will.

  3. Oh man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Cue the rape-apologists

    1. Re: Oh man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you were there. Never dare toss your hat in to rape arguments.

    2. Re:Oh man by cheesybagel · · Score: 0

      The woman who had the sex with him dropped out the accusation man. She voluntarily let him in her bedroom and had voluntary sex with him before. She just wasn't 'in the mood' one of the times he did sex with her. That is a crime in Sweden? Good thing I don't live there.

    3. Re:Oh man by cheesybagel · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Oh and by coincidence she only decided to put the accusation up AFTER she learned he slept with someone else. Go figure.

    4. Re:Oh man by cold+fjord · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You mean that like many rape victims she was hesitant to complain to the police, but after finding that her attacker had a history of such assaults she found the courage? Hmmm.

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    5. Re:Oh man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too much doubt... "That night, while hosting a party in Assange’s honor at her apartment, the already “raped” Anna Ardin Tweeted about how she was hobnobbing with “the world’s coolest smartest people, it’s amazing!” (After going to police on the 20th, she deleted these Tweets.) At some point during the crayfish hootenanny, Assange apparently stepped aside to phone Wilen at her home in Enköping, about 50 miles west of Stockholm. He left a message asking her to call him." http://takimag.com/article/jul...

    6. Re:Oh man by Theaetetus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The woman who had the sex with him dropped out the accusation man. She voluntarily let him in her bedroom and had voluntary sex with him before. She just wasn't 'in the mood' one of the times he did sex with her. That is a crime in Sweden? Good thing I don't live there.

      Yeah, it's entirely possible for someone to consent to sex one night and then not consent to sex the next morning. See, people have the right to say no, whether it's because they're not "in the mood", because they're sleepy, because they're sick, or any other reason. And forcing yourself on someone who has said no is rape, even if you've previously had consensual sex with them in other circumstances. And that's not only a crime in Sweden, but in most other countries.

    7. Re:Oh man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, that's rich. Do you have any concept of how stupid you sound? Not 'in the mood'? Are you insane?

    8. Re:Oh man by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it's entirely possible for someone to consent to sex one night and then not consent to sex the next morning

      But what if you consent one evening, but the next morning decide you didn't consent? That was the situation at issue here, but it's mostly moot since the woman involved has dropped the charges. That just leaves the rest of us in the rape discussion spinning the wheels endlessly.

    9. Re:Oh man by Theaetetus · · Score: 1

      But what if you consent one evening, but the next morning decide you didn't consent? That was the situation at issue here

      No, it wasn't... They had sex the previous day. He then wanted to have sex without a condom, and she said no. That was the withdrawal of any further consent. She then went to sleep. She woke up with him inside her. That was the rape. There was never any "deciding she didn't consent to something that happened the night before".

      but it's mostly moot since the woman involved has dropped the charges. That just leaves the rest of us in the rape discussion spinning the wheels endlessly.

      [Citation]? I haven't heard anything about that.

  4. If you can't win. by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you can't win: Ad Hominem.

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    1. Re:If you can't win. by hey! · · Score: 0

      How is this ad hominem? Could you be specific?

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    2. Re:If you can't win. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's Ad Hominem because the general debate has been about wikileaks, whistle-blowers, and government surveilance, yet here we are talking about a man's personal life, beliefs, and attitudes -- which while entertaining and somewhat interesting, have nothing to do with the larger debate.

    3. Re:If you can't win. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

      It's Ad Hominem because the general debate has been about wikileaks, whistle-blowers, and government surveilance, yet here we are talking about a man's personal life, beliefs, and attitudes -- which while entertaining and somewhat interesting, have nothing to do with the larger debate.

      Actually it would be "Ad Personam" and not "Ad Hominem", because his personal life might be debatable, but it doesn't contradict what he says.

    4. Re:If you can't win. by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      How about you review what ad hominem actually means and then get back to us? I'll be glad to teach you but we first need a formal agreement as my daily rates are quite expensive.

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    5. Re:If you can't win. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is it also Ad Hominem when people make positive comments about leakers?

    6. Re:If you can't win. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you selling blowjobs? You offer no teaching.

    7. Re:If you can't win. by cold+fjord · · Score: 0, Troll

      If you can't win: Ad Hominem.

      That is one of the key tactics that has been used against Assange's critics. How many terrible things have been said about the women who filed a complaint against him for sexual assault? Assange's defenders use that tactic with regularity, and seethe when anything is said against him. That includes mod bombs on Slashdot.

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    8. Re:If you can't win. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because they are bringing up the man's personal life, which is completely irrelevant to the larger issue (government corruption). This is merely a sign that they don't have anything better to debate with.

    9. Re:If you can't win. by FriendlyLurker · · Score: 1

      ...and how many terrible things have been said about Assange by Assange critics (take this "news" for example) - so your point is what, exactly? People say dumb shit all the time - the only important sensible thing is to rise above the Ad Hominem attacks coming from both sides and concentrate on the facts. No wonder this news was posted by "anonymous reader", just more of the same...

    10. Re:If you can't win. by blueg3 · · Score: 1, Redundant

      It's relevant if you're writing a book about that person. Like, say, a memoir.

    11. Re:If you can't win. by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      No. Want I don't get is how him being a prick in bed, pun intended, somehow is supposed to render null and void all the work he did at Wikileaks. It doesn't compute.

    12. Re:If you can't win. by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      That's one of the key tactics that have been used for ages. Can't refute their claim, can't dispel the allegations, can't debunk their claims? Attack them instead of their message.

      Works for various three-letter-agencies, works for a certain cult that claims to be a church while being a thinly veiled front for bad SciFi, works all the times. I can't remember many terrible things being said against the woman who filed rape charges against Assange, though. If you could point me to some it would actually be helpful.

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    13. Re:If you can't win. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not ad hominem if it's true.

      Black letter US -- you can't be convicted of libel/slander if you can show that the guy really said/did what you claim he said/did. If you don't want your words and actions to undermine your public image and message, stop saying and doing reprehensible stuff.

    14. Re:If you can't win. by hey! · · Score: 1

      I can see several connections between Assange's personal character and the Wikileaks issue, just not the simple-minded one that goes like this: Assange is a bad person, therefore Wikileaks is bad.

      The issue of character has in a sense already been raised by some of Assange's supporters, many of whom believe the Swedish rape charges are purely political dirty tricks by the security establishment he embarrassed. Assange's personal behavior is clearly relevant to *that* at least.

      So let's say for a moment the rape charges are true -- does that have any relevance to the question of whether Wikileaks is a good idea? My first instinct is to answer "no," but it occurs to me that the question "Is Wikileaks a good idea?" is different from "Is Wikileaks run by Julian Assange a good idea?" Wikileaks has evolved from an open wiki to something which depends critically on Assange's discretion and judgment. Even some of the people who worked with Assange on Wikileaks evidently aren't so comfortable with him in the critical role he's carved out for himself.

      I think that so far Wikipedia has been a good thing; so far as we know it hasn't cause the kind of horrific damage to national security or the personal lives of innocent bystanders that some have predicted. That counts for a lot. Assange's apparent personal unpleasantness doesn't concern me so much as the possibility his potential legal vulnerability due to things which *shouldn't* be related to Wikileaks. In an ironic way I find his evidently shameless egotism and personal abrasiveness a little reassuring. None of these "revelations" about Assange seem terribly surprising, and in a scandal it's attempting to preserve secrecy that does the most damage.

      So count me as positive on Wikileaks, somewhat ambivalent on Assange. I'd like to see someone in charge whose personal life wasn't so tumultuous, although I recognize that may be asking for too much.

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    15. Re:If you can't win. by hey! · · Score: 1

      I'll see your ad hominem and raise you a petitio principii.

      Not every personal attack is an *ad hominem* attack. In order to raise a claim of ad hominem you have to establish that the person making the argument has used the character of his opponent to undermine the opponent's arguments in a way that is irrelevant.

      So what I want to know is, what is the specific argument made by Assange that is the subject of the supposed ad hominem?

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    16. Re:If you can't win. by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      It's not ad hominem if it's true.

      Actually, it's not ad hominem if the personal argument is relevant to the topic. (In fact, whether or not the premises are true has no bearing as to what kind argument is being made, only whether it's sound.)

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    17. Re:If you can't win. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      ... and little surprise a comment like this is modded down to troll. Way to prove a point, moderators.

    18. Re:If you can't win. by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      It could be opening a window. Right now the view amongst the fans is that the rape charges are totally and without question trumped up and part of a plot. So now if it seems he is some sort of groper then it will cause doubts. And because doubts are never to be allowed, this new messenger must be tarnished lest the original messenger be tarnished.

      Likewise since the past Wikileaks members who broke away from Assange are accused to trying to tear down wikileaks or subvert it from within then it's useful to see evidence that Assange actually is extremely difficult to work with and gives good cause for former associates to become estranged and that it's not just counter revolutionary propaganda.

    19. Re:If you can't win. by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Part of the debate is indeed, did Assange commit a crime in Sweden or not. Another part of the debate is, did the former associates of Assange who left Wikileaks after accusing him of being too dictatorial do so because that's what happened or because they are subversives trying to destroy Wikileaks? These stories of his personal life do have relevance to those debates.

    20. Re:If you can't win. by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Who said anything about this making Wikileaks null and void? Wikileaks should not be so weak as to depend upon the holiness of one person. And yet the Assange supporters never stop defending his honor while feeling free to impugn the moral character of others.

    21. Re:If you can't win. by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      I don't see why not.

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    22. Re:If you can't win. by Catbeller · · Score: 1

      Attack the man, not the facts, to neutralize the facts.

    23. Re:If you can't win. by evilviper · · Score: 1

      That's one of the key tactics that have been used for ages. Can't refute their claim, can't dispel the allegations, can't debunk their claims? Attack them instead of their message.

      What message? Assange's only message is that he's perfect, and there's a world-wide grand conspiracy moving heaven and earth to... charge him with fairly minor crimes. He's the head of NOTHING. He has no other interest or goal than himself. It was obvious he was an egomaniac many years ago, so this is hardly a revelation.

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    24. Re:If you can't win. by hey! · · Score: 1

      Which facts are being attacked here?

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    25. Re:If you can't win. by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      Assange is a dick. Therefore murdering journalists is ok.

      There is no logical connection between the two.

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    26. Re:If you can't win. by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      >Which facts are being attacked here?
      They're not being attacked. They're being neutralized. Read the parent.

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    27. Re:If you can't win. by hey! · · Score: 1

      Assange is a dick. Therefore murdering journalists is ok.

      There is no logical connection between the two.

      I agree there's no connection but that's a strawman argument. So far as I know nobody is advocating that position.

      One actual argument might be that Assange is a loose cannon, therefore he should not have access to peoples' secrets. That's not necessarily an irrational thing to believe, but we *do* have to weigh that against what the secrets actually *say* -- particularly state secrets. Any reasonable, impartial person would have to admit that it's better to have *some* state secrets in the hands of a loose cannon than to allow them to remain secret.

      My point is that Assange's character is a very important issue given the sensitivity of the role he's appointed himself to. That doesn't mean we have to be simple-minded about that and draw irrelevant ad hominem conclusions about what the government is up to. Assange's character is certainly relevant to the question of whether he's a suitable broker of whistleblower secrets.

      The best argument in Assange's favor is, in my opinion, that so far as we know nothing disastrous has happened as a result of his activities. Unless you count embarassment, which I do not.

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    28. Re:If you can't win. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So is the life and personality of L. Ron Hubbard completely irrelevant when discussing the origins, validity and merits of the Church of Scientology? How do you feel about Larry Craig or Ted Haggard? If you are like other human beings you have your double standard applied to people you agree with and people you don't. If you agree with the person, it's a terrible ad hominem attack enacted by disparate people. If you disagree with that person, it's karmic justice and "people deserve to know the truth".

    29. Re:If you can't win. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go home, NSA

  5. Not a ghostwriter. by o_ferguson · · Score: 5, Informative

    Speaking as a ghostwriter, this is not how one operates. This guy is just being an asshole.

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    1. Re:Not a ghostwriter. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speaking as your ghostwriter, let me polish that up for you.

      As a ghostwriter, the proper conduct is not in the fashion in which the above subject of the article in the Telegraph has conducted himself. Such a manner is befit only that of the most deplorable and low of beings, whose character is far more scurrilous than those they see fit to criticize.

    2. Re:Not a ghostwriter. by o_ferguson · · Score: 2

      Thanks. I needed to get the word count up.

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    3. Re:Not a ghostwriter. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      my reading of TFA is O'Hagan's role as ghostwriter became compromised by Assange himself. Early on, O'Hagan is explicit in stating terms that include a strong desire to have no public connection to the text, nor to find himself a mouthpiece for Assange in the world of news and current affairs programs. But that doesn't seem to be the nub of this piece - it's more about the impossibility of getting the book written because Assange didn't want it, but couldn't ever commit to 'no'; just as he couldn't commit to 'yes' either. It seems to be 'the idea of a book' that attracts Assange to the project. Please tell me why O'Hagan is an asshole or, at least, enlighten us to the ghostwriter's code that forbids this kind of exposé (years...) after the project failed?

    4. Re:Not a ghostwriter. by o_ferguson · · Score: 3, Insightful

      My reading is that O'Hagan was brought in by the publishing company to try to take the book in the direction they wanted, not the direction Assnage wanted. Once this backfired, he explicitly compromised his strong desire to have no public connection to the text by becoming a mouthpiece against Assange in the world of news and current affairs programs. The length of time (years) since the incident has no bearing on the professional ethical implications of violating the privacy of a primary source, even if that source is committed to the idea of violating institutional opacity, and even if that privacy is assured only by convention, and not by a specific NDA.

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    5. Re:Not a ghostwriter. by o_ferguson · · Score: 1

      "Only a shitty workman blames his tools."

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    6. Re:Not a ghostwriter. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yup. that's right. anything assange does can be excused because of wikileaks.
      such is the contorted logic of slashdot.

    7. Re:Not a ghostwriter. by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      Speaking as a ghostwriter, this is not how one operates. This guy is just being an asshole.

      If you think he is being "an asshole," you apparently haven't looked at Assange's behavior.

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    8. Re:Not a ghostwriter. by o_ferguson · · Score: 1

      Assange is also being an asshole. But that's a given. Just look as his name.

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    9. Re:Not a ghostwriter. by o_ferguson · · Score: 1

      I'm not saying that Assange's behavior is in any way better; just that the ghostwriter in this instance knocked himself down to Assange's level instead of maintaining the professional high ground.

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    10. Re:Not a ghostwriter. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see what you did there.

    11. Re:Not a ghostwriter. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because a competent workman has good tools in the first place.

    12. Re:Not a ghostwriter. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have a funny worldview where only one of two dissenting parties can be an asshole

  6. "Rape charges" is bullshit, frankly. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "sacrificed the moral high-ground by attempting to evade trial over the rape charges"

    Even if he's a lech, liar, lout, loser... calling what he's accused of "rape" is objectionable to victims of actual rape, as opposed to "victims" of consenting unsafe sex.

    I don't think he's lost "moral" high ground by resisting a sham extradition given the demonstrated misconduct by authorities exposed in this whole affair, the contrary.
    Those charging them have lost the moral high ground. He may be an egotist, but that doesn't validate calling that "rape" nor his extradition to a US black prison site.

    If he were guilty of "rape" that would be an entirely different situation. Repeating this charge only serves to give validity to the notion that he is unfairly persecuted.

    1. Re: "Rape charges" is bullshit, frankly. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Real people get extradited, handed off for torture for sex without a condom? Name one.

    2. Re: "Rape charges" is bullshit, frankly. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who is supposed to be the torturer? Sorry to break your David vs. Goliath outlook, but despite the crap that comes out of a few loud-mouthed Congressmen, the US sure as shit doesn't want him. He didn't steal the material he released, and they wouldn't want to put up with the inevitable ego-storm publicity that would result if he was brought into a court unless they had a decent case against him. The US is perfectly happy with him sitting in the embassy marginalizing himself. The US tried Manning because he stole stuff. They want to try Snowden because he stole stuff.

      Dipshits like you don't seem to understand the difference because it goes against your whole little "big evil US" meme you've constructed. Snowden goes off in an interview that he has a deadman's switch that would release upon his death all sorts of stuff he stole. Suddenly there is now a reason for 95% of the world's countries to want to knock him off. And if it does happen, say by someone like Iran or Venezuela, or middle eastern "freedom fighters" who would love the chance to embarrass the US, dipshits like you would be running around screaming how the CIA finally got him because that fits your little meme so nicely, and you'd never be convinced otherwise. You're such a tool.

    3. Re: "Rape charges" is bullshit, frankly. by Catbeller · · Score: 1

      Name. One. Person. Who. Was. Extradited. For. Accusation. Of. Sex. Without. A. Condom.

      Just.

      One.

    4. Re: "Rape charges" is bullshit, frankly. by Catbeller · · Score: 1

      OOPS. Forgot! He was never accused.

    5. Re: "Rape charges" is bullshit, frankly. by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

      Sorry to break your David vs. Goliath outlook, but despite the crap that comes out of a few loud-mouthed Congressmen, the US sure as shit doesn't want him.

      http://online.wsj.com/news/art...

      Senator Feinstein is the chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee (What? there's intelligence in the US Senate?). Hardly a loudmouth.

  7. vain, paranoid, sexist by tomhath · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Could describe any number of people who are/were successful in public but had feet of clay. Rev. Martin Luther King, Pres. Bill Clinton - the list goes on and on (admittedly King wasn't necessarily paranoid, they really were out to get him).

    1. Re: vain, paranoid, sexist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They really are out to get Assange.

    2. Re:vain, paranoid, sexist by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Umm... Gandhi?

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  8. How much this should matter to the non-braindead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At this point, with the pressure the U.S. places in governments, publications, or even individuals in order to accomplish his extradition, I wouldn't believe his mother's own word against him.

    Everybody should know how much public opinion influences political decision-making nowadays. Money to pay such falsehood should be no objection to the States, when they already sacrificed their moral integrity for the sake of national security.

  9. a**e by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've always been a hands on sort of guy myself :-)

    1. Re:a**e by tippe · · Score: 1

      I have to admit, I don't get "a**e". Is that supposed to mean "arse" or something? If so, why the self-censorship for such a benign word?

    2. Re:a**e by Travis+Mansbridge · · Score: 1

      It's redacted.

    3. Re:a**e by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, the "*" wildcard is 0 or more occurrences of anything. Thus "A**E" is the same as "A*E", and in this case means "AssangE".

    4. Re: a**e by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's just one of the fancy new features of beta. You're welcome, slashdotters. ;)

    5. Re: a**e by Nemesisghost · · Score: 1

      Actually, RTFA. It's redacted there, so the summary has it as it was copied from TFA. If you don't like it here, leave, nobody will miss you.

  10. shocking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That people like Assange and Snowden who are media whores aren't very nice to be around...shocking...

    1. Re:shocking by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      can I have 'smear campaign' for 100, please, alex?

      we can see thru this character assasination easily enough; but the fact is, if you keep repeating lies enough, people will believe them.

      regardless, what the man has done is what matters. personality does not enter into it, not one bit.

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    2. Re:shocking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This says nothing about Snowden, maybe your Fox News comprehension is speeding you along to a conclusion you haven't founded yet.

    3. Re:shocking by FriendlyLurker · · Score: 0

      As usual from Cold Fjord: half truths, lies, deception, repeating ad hominem and all your typical moral low ground techniques (just to sum up your posts under this very story). There are no charges against Assange. Yeah yeah save use the "Sweden is different, questioning is the same as charging him" crap you usually retort with about this point. Carry on it is amusing to watch... hehe

    4. Re:shocking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I notice this new round coincides with Greenwald's discovery in the Snowdon documents that Assange is indeed on a US three-letter agencies' manhunt list.

    5. Re:shocking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I notice that this new round of smearing on Slashdot coincides with Cold Fjord running around in the comments trying to make the shit stick... money on who anonymous reader submitting the story was... most Wikileaks hit pieces follow this script...

    6. Re:shocking by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      . Yeah yeah save use the "Sweden is different, questioning is the same as charging him" crap you usually retort with about this point.

      In short, facts don't matter. You continue to honor your custom.

      And yes, technically the charges would come after Assange is next interrogated by the Swedes due to the procedures of their legal system. That is a sequence shared by other EU countries.

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    7. Re:shocking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      cold fjord is an attention whore

    8. Re:shocking by FriendlyLurker · · Score: 2

      Various Swedish legal experts have fallen on either side of the debate, for example fairly critical article on Assange quotes Swedish professor emeritus of international law, Ove Bring, as saying: "the evidence is not enough to charge him with a crime". So even the experts disagree. Unless you have some inside knowledge I do not see how you can be so sure as to say "technically the charges would come after". So your remarks smell like trolling to me...

    9. Re: shocking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interesting that you know all of this to be lies.

      I agree that what he has done is what matters. If he is a douchebag also... well then he is a douchebag. But all you fanbois cannot see past the pink fluffy mist called (b)romance and call anything smear campaigns, lies, character assasinations etc. He does not need to be a saint to have founded Wikileaks. How hard is that to understand? When other people at Wikileaks and people close to him say the same thing about him I have a hard time believing that the evil forces in action (aka the men in suits) have used their mind-control rays on everyone to discredit him. Could it be so simple that he really is a douchebag? *GASP* Why, that would be too simple to be possible. Occam's razor never works this well.

      I don't care. Wikileaks would probably have been better off if he had stepped aside quite early. He travelling around creating an aura of mysticism trying to romance the traditional media put focus on him and not Wikileaks. I still remember the first reports on TV when he came to Sweden: "Who is this mysterious man called Assange? Indeterminate age, unknown nationality, etc." Poor Manning rots away somewhere and Assange ridicules his hosts at the embassy. Pathetic.

    10. Re:shocking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No need to make it "stick." Assange is convered in it.

    11. Re:shocking by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      As usual from Cold Fjord: half truths, lies, deception, repeating ad hominem and all your typical moral low ground techniques

      he doesn't even try to cover up his bias.

      otoh:

      #include "notsureifserious.jpg"

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    12. Re:shocking by nickmalthus · · Score: 1

      In a 45-page essay chronicling the collapse of a $2.5m deal for Assange’s autobiography, O’Hagan, an award-winning novelist and non-fiction author, recounts how he spent months with the Australian computer hacker in an attempt to extract material for the book.

      I can think of 2.5m reasons O’Hagan would not paint a positive image of Assange after spending months of his life with only this article to show for it.

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  11. So what? by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

    Not being a friend of Assange at all (who jumped bail and now is costing the Ecuadorian government lots of money), but what does that have to do with anything? And everybody can ask themselves what they would look like if someone tried hard to show them in the worst possible light.

  12. well this isn't anything new. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just more psychological warfare/marketing against wikileaks.

  13. How many people would stay nice? by OzPeter · · Score: 1

    How many people would stay "nice" if you found yourself choosing between staying in self-imposed jail or stepping outside and likely finding yourself in real jail?

    I have no idea to Assange's personality before all this happened, but a severe case of cabin fever can drive people off the rails.

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    1. Re:How many people would stay nice? by Ralph+Wiggam · · Score: 1

      "Assange behaves ... like an egotistical tyrant interested more in his own self-publicity than in changing the world."

      He's been like that since day 1. None of this started when he locked himself in the embassy.

  14. Love the pro-Assange crowd here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sorry to post A/C, but there's too much hate for contrarian opinions on Slashdot.

    I love how the pro-Assange crowd is already dismissing this. I'm sorry, but it does matter. The "why" someone does something is just as important as the "what". Assange takes a lot of credit for Wikileaks, but the truth is there are a lot of people involved in Wikileaks who are more valuable to the organization whereas Assange's narcissim and poor ethical decisions have not only made him an easy target but have also damaged the brand itself. With what they're trying to do, maintaining the ethical and moral high ground is paramount as the only thing they have to go on for their work to make a difference is their reputation; once that's damaged then the public at large will not trust them and nothing will ever really change. If you truly believe in what you're doing, then you don't put yourself into compromising situations with women etc.

    1. Re: Love the pro-Assange crowd here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      100% this. Any professional knows this, and one would hope most adults understand this anyway

    2. Re:Love the pro-Assange crowd here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Assange can screw himself with a stone, I couldn't care less.

      BUT, It's not Assange what's important, but the secrets he revealed to us. The WHY, the HOW, and all the rest is nice for TRIVIA, but not important.

    3. Re:Love the pro-Assange crowd here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > If you truly believe in what you're doing, then you don't put yourself into compromising situations with women etc.

      Yours truly,
      Martin Luther King Jr., King David, Samson, Thomas Jefferson & co.

    4. Re:Love the pro-Assange crowd here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Martin Luther King Jr. damaged his work with his extra-marital affairs and his association with Communists. I'm sorry to say, but it was the shock of his assassination that overrode any tarnish of his image as people suddenly felt there was something to what he said, but prior to that his failings as a man were damaging his cause. At this point, having himself assassinated may be the only way to clean up Assange's image, which is probably why he hasn't been; he's self-destructive enough to himself and Wikileaks that no Government in the world really needs to do anything to him.

      King David was a man who failed, and then realized the error of his ways and came back into the good graces of God. People respect even more a man who will fail but publicly admit to his wrong doings and try to make amends. Assange is missing that last part there.

      Samson was not an example to be respected for his work; Samson's tale is a cautionary tale about how a good man who gives into temptation can lead to the ruin of the man. Samson is a good example for Assange to follow and learn from.

      Thomas Jefferson was a prolific and high profile figure in the American Revolution and a founding father, thus he serves as a useful tool when teaching people about the values of American Republicanism and Democracy. However, more advanced history research does not paint Jefferson favorably; while he's often held in basic literature to be a champion of Enlightenment values, he's often derided as a hypocrite for his owning of hundreds of slaves. In his time, he was highly controversial and not someone that people would seek to emulate or reflect, it's only the hazy view of a few hundred years that have scraped away some of his discrepant attributes.

    5. Re:Love the pro-Assange crowd here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's been the conduit for others to reveal secrets. Rather, he assisted in setting up and was the spokesperson for the conduit for others to reveal secrets. That's hardly him revealing secrets.

      And so what? What have those secrets revealed? How much have you read on Wikileaks? Probably nothing.

      If you did, did you learn something that altered your world view, or probably something that already supported your beliefs? Probably the latter.

      If you did learn something that altered your worldview, congratulations, you're one of hte few! Did you do anything about it? Did you write to your congressman or Senator? Did you participate in some political action? Probably nothing.

      If you did do something about it, congratulations! You're probably less than .1% of the world, which means your efforts will amount to nothing.

      In the meantime, did they change anything? Did it end the wars in Iraq or Afghanistan? No. Did it make other governments use hatred against the US to shore up their political support in the face of their mismanagement? Yes (see Argentina and Brazil). Did it hurt relations with allies and the US? Yes, due to the personal comments in many cables, but did it change anything? No, because countries and governments make decisions on based on geopolitics, not on "secrets", and nothing in Wikileaks' reveals have altered the geopolitical situation of any country anywhere. Did people die from the releases? Yes, because Wikileaks did a terrible job of redacting names of informants.

      So in reality, the secrets he revealed did... nothing. They made diplomacy MORE difficult, not less, which makes force as a tool of diplomacy MORE likely, not less. So they're really not that important at all. So the only thing left is the WHY, and the simple fact is, he did it for his super-rebel fantasy of fighting governments even though no government is fighting him.

    6. Re:Love the pro-Assange crowd here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fact is, we can't know whether he is or isn't as big of an asshole as someone like this 'ghostwriter' claims he is. The only sure thing is, he has made enemies with almost godlike power and influence, who could certainly manipulate your opinion of him to whatever best suits their agendas. Therefore the only reasonable thing to do is to disregard the personal aspects of the man himself and focus on the wider struggle which he is or was at the center of.

    7. Re:Love the pro-Assange crowd here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I seem to be strangely capable of separating the questionable Assange with the work of Wikileaks. I always thought he has Aspergers and was unaware of how dickish his behavior sometimes was. But wikileaks is fairly tangential to his personality. For most people that's a bridge too far. I should resign myself to the knowledge that most people are idiots incapable of hating a person while loving their work (i.e., Kayne, Woody Allen, Roman Polanski, Miles Davis, etc.)

    8. Re:Love the pro-Assange crowd here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should. Maybe you are capable of it as I am, but worlds change when populations shift their attitude, and to quote Tommy Lee Jones:

      "The person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it."

      Whether you judge it to be correct or not is irrelevant. The day you accept the simple fact that people do not make this separation of values in their minds is the day you'll start being more effective in your world, because you'll be approaching the world how it is, not how you'd like it to be.

    9. Re:Love the pro-Assange crowd here... by Catbeller · · Score: 1

      Any one who believes any story about Assange that smears him is a damned fool. The full hatred and might of the US intel community is focused on that man. Believe nothing. Especially from the Telegraph, for Christ's sake.

    10. Re:Love the pro-Assange crowd here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry to post A/C, but there's too much hate for contrarian opinions on Slashdot.

      I love how the pro-Assange crowd is already dismissing this. I'm sorry, but it does matter. The "why" someone does something is just as important as the "what". Assange takes a lot of credit for Wikileaks, but the truth is there are a lot of people involved in Wikileaks who are more valuable to the organization whereas Assange's narcissim and poor ethical decisions have not only made him an easy target but have also damaged the brand itself. With what they're trying to do, maintaining the ethical and moral high ground is paramount as the only thing they have to go on for their work to make a difference is their reputation; once that's damaged then the public at large will not trust them and nothing will ever really change. If you truly believe in what you're doing, then you don't put yourself into compromising situations with women etc.

      I totally agree. It's terrifying to post contrarian opinions on slashdot these days. Any article that has a slight political bent to it I always post anonymously... I've lost too much karma for getting marked troll for posting well meaning and--in my opinion--well thought out comments that go against the slashdot group think related to anything involving US politics, Snowden, wikileaks, etc. Beta isn't the downfall of slashdot, it's the suppression of legitimate discussions by moderator group think.

    11. Re:Love the pro-Assange crowd here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It goes both ways. Those who think he's a hero cannot be believed either.

    12. Re:Love the pro-Assange crowd here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh please. If you believe anything Assange says you're a damned fool, and playing into his self-important delusions of grandeur. The full might of the US Intel community? That's a bit dramatic. If they have anyone paying attention to Assange it's those doing internal damage control and process re-evaluation as to how he got any documents in the first place.

      I think with the Asian naval arms race currently underway, the Venezuelan riots, the serious political crisis in Ukraine, the mess in Syria, the threat of Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula in Yemen, the ongoing issues with transnational drug trafficking culminating at the Mexico border, the potential breakup and spill over of the civil war in Myanmar, the military takeover in Egypt, the growing jihadism in the Sinai Peninsula, the giant mess that is Libya, the ongoing efforts to withdraw from Afghanistan, the volatile situation in Iraq, the ongoing drone campaign against the Tabliban in Pakistan and the problems and instability in the nuclear armed Pakistani government that's causing, the constant threat of industrial espionage and IP theft from Chinese State sponsored intelligence agencies, as well as the ongoing threat of lone-wolf jihadists here on home soil, I think the US intelligence community has a few more things to concern themselves with than one big-mouthed narcissistic rapist (alleged) hiding from Sweden in an Ecuadorian Embassy.

    13. Re: Love the pro-Assange crowd here... by Catbeller · · Score: 1

      So. You believe nothing is knowable? Saves time.
      Waitaminut. Lookie here! https://firstlook.org/theinter...
      News today from Glenn Greenwald says that there are well organized covert groups whose purpose is to disrupt and neutralize online forums and discredit people. You don't think they'd show up on Slashdot, do you?

    14. Re: Love the pro-Assange crowd here... by Catbeller · · Score: 1

      I like this opening:
      "One of the many pressing stories that remains to be told from the Snowden archive is how western intelligence agencies are attempting to manipulate and control online discourse with extreme tactics of deception and reputation-destruction. Itâ(TM)s time to tell a chunk of that story, complete with the relevant documents."

  15. Still my hero by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When the ghostwriter has created a legitimate outlet that could save the free world, then he can whine a little. Until then, he and everyone else should just shut the f*** up. We ALL have flaws - at least Assange makes up for them by BEING AWESOME.

    Ok I'm a fangirl. I admit it. I actually really dig genius a**holes. I'd bear his children in a heartbeat. He's been a bad bad boy and should be soundly punished (in an entirely recreational and mutually-consenting adult situation). But that's about it.

    I'm so f***ing SICK of this obsession media have with cramming people's personal peccadillos down our throats! Didn't the message get sent loudly enough with Bill Clinton? WE DON'T CARE!!!! We need strong leadership and smart people! Not uptight a**-coverers who know how to not get caught.

    endit

    1. Re:Still my hero by Ralph+Wiggam · · Score: 0

      a legitimate outlet that could save the free world

      LOL. Wikileaks hasn't accomplished a damn thing.

    2. Re: Still my hero by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who did ASSange save? Impact compared to Snowden? I got all day...

    3. Re:Still my hero by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      No, that's our job. Wikileaks can only inform us that we should do it.

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    4. Re:Still my hero by PRMan · · Score: 1

      If you believe that, you really should watch "The Fifth Estate". The amount of world change that 2 people could institute in a span of 2-3 years is shocking.

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    5. Re:Still my hero by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Comrade Ralph, you are on fed payroll aren't you?

    6. Re:Still my hero by Ralph+Wiggam · · Score: 1

      Yes. But it's a secret so don't tell anyone.

      You know what the federal government couldn't give less of a shit about? The opinions of the 18 people who still read this site.

    7. Re:Still my hero by Chas · · Score: 1

      When the ghostwriter has created a legitimate outlet that could save the free world, then he can whine a little. Until then, he and everyone else should just shut the f*** up.

      Or, howsabout he be allowed his say like everyone else? Wikileaks, as has been noted, has been about destroying censorship. and informing people.
      What you just proposed is the very definition of censorship.
      Congrats on graduating Hypocrisy 101!

      We ALL have flaws - at least Assange makes up for them by BEING AWESOME.

      Why is pointing out someone's flaws all that problematic. Assange is a self-obsessed douchebag. There's millions of them running around the planet nowadays.

      Basically articles like this inform people. So that if they're dealing with said douchebags, they don't go into the exchange blind, and expecting the person to act like a rational person.

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    8. Re:Still my hero by H0p313ss · · Score: 1

      a legitimate outlet that could save the free world

      LOL. Wikileaks hasn't accomplished a damn thing.

      There are lots of reactions from governments from around the world, but I'm curious to what extent this is simply a case of: "I am shocked, SHOCKED to find espionage going on here!"

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    9. Re:Still my hero by H0p313ss · · Score: 1

      Yes. But it's a secret so don't tell anyone.

      Nudge, nudge. Wink, wink.

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    10. Re:Still my hero by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

      There are lots of reactions from governments from around the world, but I'm curious to what extent this is simply a case of: "I am shocked, SHOCKED to find espionage going on here!"

      Here are your intelligence briefings, sir.

  16. Character assassination by grasshoppa · · Score: 1

    Not that I don't believe it, necessarily. Merely that it can't be trusted. At all.

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  17. Character asssassination at its best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I am not interested in his character but his results.

  18. I see what you did there. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I see what you did there.

    ironic captcha: consults

  19. oh noes by melchoir55 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    He's self centered and likes to flirt with younger women. Oh no! Our faith in the very integrity of wikileaks must be revisited!

    Meanwhile an enormous personality cult continues around an asshole who regularly destroyed the lives of people working for him (Steve Jobs).

    If I were going to pick someone to have a beer with, I would pick Assange any day. I don't give a fuck if someone has personality flaws. That means he is the same as every other human alive. What I care about is their effect on the world around them. Assange has had such a net positive impact with wikileaks that no amount of aggressive flirting or being-a-dick-sometimes(tm) is going to burn it.

    1. Re:oh noes by cheesybagel · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Not to mention the liver transplant he got. People his age usually get pushed all the way back to the transplant list. Even then, after he got his liver, did he even bother taking his pills to at least ensure he lived a bit longer so the transplant wasn't useless? No. He did a crazy mystical diet where he died shortly afterwards.

    2. Re:oh noes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The doctor performing the operation inheriting his house had nothing to do with it...

    3. Re:oh noes by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Accusations of misogyny and sexual abuse of younger women is frequently used in our society to discredit public figures. After they've been proven as sexists and screwers of young women, they are ruined and educated society will never take anything they say seriously.

      Why is it that Assange gets a free pass?

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    4. Re:oh noes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Accusations of misogyny and sexual abuse of younger women is frequently used in our society to discredit public figures. After they've been proven as sexists and screwers of young women, they are ruined and educated society will never take anything they say seriously.

      Why is it that Assange gets a free pass?

      The propogandists don't want Assange to get a "free pass", that's the whole point of this propoganda. I couldn't care less if he sodomizes baby seals, it's all irrelevant. The *issue* with Wikileaks is that of open government, not him, and that's exactly what government doesn't want you to focus on.

      There is a long tradition of assassinating the character of radicals and dissidents who won't toe the line. Remember that Socrates wanted an aware, intellectual society and so they hung a "corrupting youth" charge on him (ie equivalent to today's statutory rape or pedophilia) and executed him. That in ancient Greek society where sex with 11yo boys was a fashionable aristocratic pastime even if it was only strictly legal to ejaculate on their thighs while supposedly making sure they didn't enjoy it.

    5. Re:oh noes by melchoir55 · · Score: 1

      Maybe educated society is getting tired of the Ad-Hominem.

      We can dream.

  20. Just maybe ... by m0s3m8n · · Score: 1

    Maybe, just maybe, he did assault the woman. After all, it is the "seriousness of the charge" that counts.

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    1. Re:Just maybe ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Which is totally why the UK harbored Pincochet from Spain. The guy who makes serial rapists locked away for life look like goddamn choir boys.

  21. a**e by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    An arse? Ooo eye scalding text. why is that bleeped?

  22. Paranoid? by goombah99 · · Score: 1

    If your ghost writer turns on you, of all people, is it really fair to say one is paranoid? Sounds like his belief that people are out to get him is fairly confirmed.

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    1. Re:Paranoid? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      "Ghost writer" isn't a type of servant. It is actually a professional who you've brought in to help you tell your story. Maybe this is the truth of his story. Maybe he wanted a propaganda fluff piece and he made the mistake of hiring a ghost writer instead of a PR firm. Maybe he thought he could just tell the writer what lies to write, and didn't have to hide any of the dirt, and was shocked to find out that the writer cares about telling what Assange wanted told, but does NOT care about only telling that part of the story, and intends instead to tell the whole truth, simply including Assange's take on it. Which seems to be what happened.

      I don't see how that is a writer "turning" on him. The truth is the truth, it is not for or against him. If he wants the truth to involve him being a morally upstanding guy, that requires morally upstanding behavior.

      Get with the program, everybody knows what a dirtbag he is. The new talking points involve saying it doesn't matter if he is a dirtbag, because it isn't about him, it is about... leaks of the past. Well that is just history, he isn't still out there meeting with whistleblowers. Maybe it is time for supporters to realize the situation, and start a new organization for leaks.

  23. Not actual ghostwriter by goombah99 · · Score: 5, Informative

    more like self appoint, failed and bitter biographer.
    "[When Assange would not cooperare with the writier]... Assange's publisher, Cannongate, releases its own version of the autobiography, after Assange allegedly fails to honour the terms of his contract. The book flopped, selling only 700 copies in its first week"

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  24. has his hands on their a**e by cowwoc2001 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Silly question: what does a**e stand for? :)

    1. Re:has his hands on their a**e by idontgno · · Score: 1

      I'd assume (no pun intended) it meant "arse". The Commonwealth misspelling (just kidding) of "ass".

      But I've never seen it sensored, so I can't be sure. Frankly, I wouldn't be arsed to bleep it out.

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    2. Re:has his hands on their a**e by asylumx · · Score: 1

      Silly question: what does a**e stand for? :)

      A**e stands for arse, which is slang (similar to "ass") for "butt".

    3. Re:has his hands on their a**e by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      I would assume "arse".

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      "I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
    4. Re:has his hands on their a**e by Eevee · · Score: 3, Funny

      It stands for the value of 'a' raised to the power of e (roughly 2.71828). Now, while Euler's number is damn sexy, I'm not sure why he kept putting his hands on it...

    5. Re:has his hands on their a**e by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Acne if too young, otherwise arse.

    6. Re: has his hands on their a**e by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      .arse?

  25. Yet another PSYOP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ignore this crap. It's either directly from the US government, or some minion of the US Government.

    Not to mention being totally irrelevant. Assange could be Satan himself and still be a hero for what he has done.

  26. Vendetta by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From TFA: "In a 45-page essay chronicling the collapse of a $2.5m deal for Assange’s autobiography, O’Hagan..."

    tch, tch.

  27. psychological warfare = repetition by bussdriver · · Score: 1

    The second the rape BS comes up it should be a dead give away this is not a legitimate source. Somebody who knows the situation because they have close contact and work with him (at least since he got on the CIA's radar) clearly must know the obvious facts about the Rape BS. But instead decides to act like a CIA operative and push the government's propaganda 110%?? Paid operative before or after is still a paid operative (that doesn't mean spy and who knows what secrets the ghostwriter has, except the NSA...) No, this isn't paranoia, it is common sense. Hell, to say Assange is paranoid is totally idiotic if you have any sense of what he is involved in.

    American media is extremely obsessed with the cult of personality; far more than other nations. This is an indirect assault upon Americans by shooting the messenger in ways that highly effective and distracting in the USA (more so than other nations.) The whole point is to make life a living hell on earth as visibly as possible, including thinly veiled BS character assassination so anybody with half a brain can see what is going to happen to anybody who threatens the USA with truth. It is Terrorism plain and simple. The legal system can be made into the punishment (which is why the founders put in that part about a speedy trial in the defunct 6th Amendment ) and if he gets into the USA it'll be the punishment BEFORE conviction and after exoneration he'll still be stuck in Gitmo for his retirement.

    Ecuador isn't spending as much as the USA or their bitch, the UK.

    It doesn't matter if he is a kiddie fiddler, courageous acts are not exclusively done by saints. If anything it should be more impressive when a "'vain, secretive, paranoid, jealous, rapist" does something that people "above reproach" are too cowardly to do. You'd think Americans would be wiser given how many grow up watching the popular redemption theme in their movies; which has gone to extremes in making everything dark and flawed.

  28. NSA Campaign by StormReaver · · Score: 4, Informative

    Remember, the NSA's stated M.O. is to publicly smear Julian Assange in order to get people to divert focus away from the crimes commited by the U.S. Federal Government.

    Julian's character is an irrelevant distraction, so don't get drawn into a debate over the messenger. Stay on message: The U.S. Federal Government has committed crimes against its people, and will do anything to cover it up.

    1. Re:NSA Campaign by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Assange is irrelevant and has been for a while.

    2. Re:NSA Campaign by Catbeller · · Score: 1

      Not the government. The intel community. They are a separate thing. They are beyond government - elected officials come and go, but the network of ops and analysts and right-wing nutjob policy makers at the CIA and a dozen other agencies are secret, safe, and damned near unkillable. And they know what every is saying, who they are with, and and where they have been. They are freaking gods of vengeance and manipulation, should they choose to come and get you. Assange has royally pissed them off - and GOT AWAY WITH IT. They are not going to let him live a life outside of a torture cell. They will never surrender.

    3. Re:NSA Campaign by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But I *can* believe that Assange is a rapist coward, AND the USG has committed crimes. It doesn't have to be either or. But in the case of the USG, they're mostly guilty of being incompetent and covering that up.

    4. Re:NSA Campaign by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what I don't get is how you can claim to protect a nation while breaking its laws

      surely, if you do this, what you are protecting is not that nation

  29. What's the point. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1) The publications of the Manning and Snowden documents is properly and appreciated. In the case of Mannning, it is apparent to me, "they" wanted the information released to the public. HRC was slammed by the release. The Snowden documents show the USA Federal Government and POTUS Obama as law breakers. Every American now has the facts that support any belief that the Federal Government is out to get us/me.

    2) Sometimes, Jerks like Assange are the only one arrogant enough to do what needs to be done. We own Snowden and Assange a hardly and heartfelt thanks for alerting us/me to the dangers that the USA Federal Government poses to its Citizens and the citizens of other countries.

    I love my country, the USA/America. It is the USA Federal Government that I fear (and hate sometimes).

    1. Re:What's the point. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You might get more of us to agree with you if you could elaborate on what laws the NSA and Obama broke. The strongest evidence put forth so far is a "damning" opinion report from a 5-person advisory panel. And while people got all worked up about how "damning" this was, they seem to ignore that the panel split 3-2 on whether any laws were broken. Quoting verbatim what the 4th amendment says gets you no further along than a bible literalist quoting passages saying god hates gays. Convince me there is real legal justification behind how you think the 4th amendment applies and we can have a dialogue.

    2. Re:What's the point. by Catbeller · · Score: 1

      Fourth amendment against search and seizure. Mass surveillance and use of such data to undermine opposition. Murder. Conspiracy to commit murder. War crimes. Accessories to murder. Use of weapons of mass destruction against civilians. Throw in the ninth amendment while we are at it. Abuse of secrecy declarations to conceal crimes and persecutions. And the panels are useless - they are carefully loaded with shills. Amazing that one actually broke free and declared illegality.

  30. Compared to what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Right. Well, the TSA folks have been putting their hands on my a**e too, only they don't have the decency to chat me up first. So...

  31. How much has NSA paid to dice for this paid public by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How much has NSA paid to dice for this paid publication?

  32. Evolution cares not of social by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know a woman in America who, when told a sexist joke by a Russian, dutifully was seriously offended. Two months later they were fucking. A year later they were married.

    Meanwhile, passive, cowed-down, well-trained American betamales got none.

    Assange will "get some" more easily from American women being sexist, than not being. This doesn't even account for his fame. Yes, you. Lie to yourself in the mirror if you wish.

  33. Why make excuses? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why are people trying to make excuses for this guy's personality? "What would you be like if you were in self-imposed lock up?"...what's that got to do with being obnoxious to women and your current girlfriend? I understand that the general personality of Slashdot is equivalent to a 15 year old teenage male, but grow up already. Women aren't objects, they certainly like to be looked at but there's only a minority that like to be 'leered at' and only a small number of them that as girlfriends that won't care if your hitting on another woman in front of them...and grabbing someone's ass when they haven't given consent is assault!

    Face it, Assange is an asshole, that doesn't also mean that his idea of Wikileaks isn't work while or useful, the two aren't mutually exclusive. In fact embracing his character would make it irrelevant to the overall marketability of Wikileaks. Separate the 'man from the message'.

  34. *DERP*.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ..... DUH *DERP*

  35. Re:assange, QEII spotted boarding QEII together? by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 2

    Paul Revere used to butter the milkmaids with his baby-batter.

    Philippides, the courier of Marathon used to drink too much, and then screw the serving boys.

    However, they are NOT discounted as messengers.

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  38. Let's see ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The DOJ prepares a secret indictment of Julian Assange last June (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/05/julian-assange-attorney-indictment_n_3386793.html) Ecuador grants Assange asylum (http://www.theguardian.com/media/2013/aug/16/ecuador-julian-assange-asylum-anniversary) so the storm-troopers can't nab him without creating an international incident.

    Now a writer pops up with character-assassinating portrayal of Assange as a sex-crazed asshole.

    Hmm..

    Nothing to see here folks - move along.

  39. Read the article by genxchick · · Score: 1

    You clearly didn't read the entire article or you would know that Assange signed a contract for this book and chose the ghostwriter. But keep drinkin' that Kool Aide - who needs critical thinking skills (or reading comprehension for that matter), right?

    1. Re:Read the article by BasilBrush · · Score: 2

      Bear in mind that "the article" is published by The Telegraph, which is the UKs chief mouthpiece for the right-wing establishment. Kind of like Fox-News, but not quite as bad.

      So left's not confuse what it says with actual facts. They might be the facts, they might not. But The Telegraph is not a reliable source, so we don't know.

    2. Re:Read the article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't it funny how similar this attack against the writer is to the attacks they levy on the two women in that case?

      Things that make you go: hmm....

    3. Re:Read the article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The original article The Telegraph is quoting appeared in London Review of Books. It's also a good read, but who reads extremely long TFA on Slashdot?

  40. Curious by angst_ridden_hipster · · Score: 1

    Uh, it's perfectly possible to be a sociopath and also do good and important things.

    The personality part is interesting because it shows that Assange's personality is both what enabled him to accomplish all he did with WikiLeaks, and what sabotaged his efforts to make WikiLeaks into something even bigger and more powerful. His fallings-out with other WikiLeaks people predates much of the external pressure. Based on many sources, he strikes me as a deeply flawed individual who has accomplished great things. It's sad that he has not been able to accomplish more.

    My guess is that history will show him as paving the way for Snowden and other future leakers. He'll be remembered more for the way his actions changed the discourse and environment for transparency than for his actual technical accomplishments. His personality will be an afterthought.

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  41. wtf is a**e? by Nyder · · Score: 1

    I know I live in a basement and haven't ever actually talked to a girl, let alone put my hands on her a**e, which is good, because I don't have a fucking clue what her a**e is.

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    Be seeing you...
    1. Re:wtf is a**e? by Chas · · Score: 1

      "arse"

      An alternative spelling of "ass" (or vice-versa).

      Basically she's saying that he's a groper.

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      THANK GOD!!!
    2. Re:wtf is a**e? by H0p313ss · · Score: 1

      "arse"

      An alternative spelling of "ass" (or vice-versa).

      Basically she's saying that he's a groper.

      They're not quite equivalent, thought hey have the same 1000 year old root word.

      Arse is just anatomy, but ass can all refer to equids like donkeys.

      "Don't be an ass." Therefore has a double meaning, while "Don't be an arse." is more simplistic.

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  42. hands on their a**e by theendlessnow · · Score: 1

    I knew a girl in high school that didn't like to be touched on her ankle. Something about her height and being stuff into waste bins or something.

    1. Re:hands on their a**e by H0p313ss · · Score: 1

      I knew a girl in high school that didn't like to be touched on her ankle. Something about her height and being stuff into waste bins or something.

      You might find that's not so unusual, nor as gender specific an issue as you seem to to think. ...

      And it was a locker.... ...

      And fuck you all.

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  43. yeah right by NynexNinja · · Score: 1

    I'm sure he's all of that stuck in a room by himself at the embassy for the past few years. Maybe five years ago, not today. Sorry, it doesn't pass the smell test.

  44. Re:YO NO! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Excellent observation! The manner in which (some) people are obsessed with "Saint" Jobs just makes me want to hurl or worse.

    Frankly, J. Assange sounds pretty much like every guy I've ever known or would choose to get to know, and exactly my kind of guy. Perhaps dangerous, flawed like any other human being, but he knows the difference between wild and evil--and he's not an evil person.

  45. Maybe Not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am not interested in whether Julian's socks smell bad or other tidbits that mean next to nothing. The fact is that he managed to release information that the world needed to know about and I can only hope that many others do the same all around the world. The truth is more inportant than the trivia.

  46. Assange revealed avg male IT worker....stunning by leftie · · Score: 1

    ... Assange revealed to be exactly like all the other guys working in IT right now. Real shocker.

    1. Re:Assange revealed avg male IT worker....stunning by Catbeller · · Score: 1

      Bingo. Most attractive young guys I ever knew.

      As L. Ron Hubbard commanded his secret nerd commando assholes, find their crimes, especially sex crimes, the dirtier the better. Publicize it though side channels and bring it up at every opportunity. Smear, smear, and keep on smearing. Pamphlet the neighbors, call the schools, alarm the parents, burn the bastard through anonymous innuendo until he's ready to commit suicide. Well, just the first sentence was his. The rest his Boy Bands did on their own, and still do.

  47. Lucrative deal by ugen · · Score: 1

    What are the chances that next step for mr O'Hagan would be writing a "tell-all" article series, followed by a book "revealing to the public the intimate details about one of modern day most controversial characters". I bet that would pay a heck of a lot better than a ghostwriting job for a fugitive stuck at a 3rd world country embassy.

    Seems like Assange isn't particularly savvy about choosing his friends.

  48. What did you expect? by H0p313ss · · Score: 1

    prone to leering at young women and making frequent sexist jokes

    This pretty much describes every Australian man I've ever met.

    While this is not uniquely an Australian trait, in my experience the percentage of Australian men that exhibit it are damn near 100%.

    And yes, I know this is an unfair stereotype so I apologize, but flame on Bruce.

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  49. Re:How much this should matter to the non-braindea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why the hell do you think the US wants him extradited? They wouldn't charge him with anything because there's nothing to charge him because he was a "journalist." They don't want his ass. Putin supposedly said Snowden was an unwelcome Christmas present. Assange would be that tenfold over. The US would find any reason they could to keep his ass away. Can you imagine Assange doing the NY morning show circuit? There isn't enough room even in NYC for an ego that size.

  50. Normal guy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So just like every other guy then?

  51. Typical BPD/NPD behavior by wiredlogic · · Score: 2

    This behavior is all in line with those who have Borderline and Narcisistic Personality Disorders. Most highly motivated people with the drive to be leaders have them to some degree. Some worse than others. That's why all of our elected officials are essentially pricks motivated by self gain rather than true public service. Their behavior drives away the decent people who might otherwise want to participate but can't tolerate interacting with such people.

    While not the most admirable traits to have, it also isn't a crime to be a backstabbing asshole. It seems like someone is on a character assassination agenda.

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    1. Re:Typical BPD/NPD behavior by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      Except for the rape thing.

      Q&A: Julian Assange and the law

      The founder of the Wikileaks website, Julian Assange, faces rape and sexual assault allegations in Sweden. In May, he lost his appeal to the UK's Supreme Court against extradition to Sweden and in June he took refuge in the embassy of Ecuador, which has granted him asylum.

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  52. This comment is misleading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Assange describes the Ecuadorean ambassador offering him diplomatic asylum as 'mad', 'fat' and 'ludicrous'."

    Author of Slashdot post quoted half of this sentence.

  53. Probably an asshole but not that's unexpected by quantaman · · Score: 1

    Assange is an asshole womanizing narcissist, Manning was a transsexual on the brink of a gender change with (understandable) anger issues, Snowden is... weirdly normal aside from some seemingly irrational choices in countries to hide in.

    Of course you have to take a hatchet piece by a "ghostwriter" with a grain of salt but we already knew Assange could be sleazy from his behaviour that led to the rape charges (regardless of whether you think the charges are legit).

    At the end of the day to be a prominent activist you have to believe your issue is so important that it's worthwhile provoking confrontations and stirring up trouble, you need an ideology strong enough to motivate you to throw away a normal life and career to pursue your issue. Normal well adjusted people generally don't become dedicated activists.

    I think WikiLeaks is a great idea but nice normal people don't make things like WikiLeaks.

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  54. Plot to discredit Assange .. by DTentilhao · · Score: 1

    I find it highly suspect that the most damage being done to Assanges reputation is by his erstwhile friends and colleges.

    "Wikileaks.org uses trust as a center of gravity by assuring insiders, leakers, and whistleblowers who pass information to Wikileaks.org personnel or who post information to the Web site that they will remain anonymous. The identification, exposure, or termination of employment of or legal actions against current or former insiders, leakers, or whistleblowers could damage or destroy this center of gravity and deter others from using Wikileaks.org to make such information public." ref

    "Some enemies of WikiLeaks are not afraid to play dirty. Pro-WikiLeaks hackers (but not the organization itself) gained access to internal e-mails from HBGary Federal, a California-based security company that was allegedly offering to help companies like Bank of America (the rumored target of the next WikiLeaks dump) discredit the organization through falsified documents .. The e-mails also suggested that the company could pressure some of WikiLeaks' more public and vocal supporters (primarily journalists) by threatening to sabotage their careers." ref

  55. Not News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is anyone really surprised that Assange is a womanizer? This whole thing started with him having unprotected sex with two different women in the span of a few days. He always has his hands on the arses of women?

    Oh, the humanity!!

    How do the women react? Since we haven't heard of any new sexual harassment lawsuits, I'm going to guess they did not mind. We have known that he's an asshole and a womanizer since before the whole scandal started, and women still flock to him as if he were a sex god. Sucks to be his girlfriend, but that is hardly a criminal offense.

    I've never read a single article describing him as nice. Steve Jobs and Elon Musk are rarely described as nice either, but that didn't stop them from achieving great things.

  56. NSA's by BaQrOo · · Score: 1

    Remember, the NSA's stated M.O. is to publicly smear Julian Assange in order to get people to divert focus away from the crimes commited by the U.S. Federal Government. flash action game

  57. Re:How much this should matter to the non-braindea by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

    Can you imagine Assange doing the NY morning show circuit?

    Only if they do them from Quantico.

  58. Double Standards by Pseudonymus+Bosch · · Score: 1

    The summary reminds me of JFK and of this indirectly related article The Double Standard That Lets Elites Survive Even Catastrophic Failures:

    To be taken seriously, those who critique the powerful must be flawless, whereas society forgives the most egregious errors in judgment of the elites themselves.

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  59. The Telegraph by Any+Web+Loco · · Score: 1

    Late to the party so I suspect all y'all will miss this but it's important to realise that The Telegraph is a very right-of centre, capital "C" Conservative news organisation. In the UK it's often called the Torygraph for it's unquestioning and unalloyed support of all things associated with the Tory (Conservative) party. For a different spin, try the Guardian's coverage, here.

    Even better would be to actually read the LRB article which actually is a detailed, nuanced piece which says both good things and bad about the guy.

  60. why doesn't anyone have by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    taped recordings of this stuff? You could, ya know, record him doing it and present that instead of hearsay.

  61. Matthew 9:11 by Pseudonymus+Bosch · · Score: 1

    And when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto his disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners?

    SPOILER ALERT: At the end of the book, the main character is executed by the government.

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  62. Psyops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For /.ters anyone?

  63. Assange is in the wrong business by reboot246 · · Score: 1

    He's fully qualified to hold elective office.

  64. Public Life /= Private Life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't know if anyone has pointed out the difference between the secrets someone has in their private life and those which are carried out by public officials during their service. There is a fundamental distinction between the two, and drawing parallels between Assange's will to expose government secrets and his unwillingness to have his own exposed is an ill-conceived comparison. This is because of the nature of the role of a citizenry who supports the actions of its elected officials: citizens have every right to demand integrity from those who hold positions validated by its authority, we find a very different question when it comes to what citizens demand of each other. While it is true that we vilify individual actors within official agencies for the infractions we find in their practice, and while it is also true that some of the criticism leveled at Assange deals with his interaction with people in a capacity more closely aligned with an "official" role (e.g., as a boss at Wikileaks), this article is still an intellectual decreptitude in trying to justify the culture of public secrecy (because that IS what it is trying to do) against which Assange has railed, by calling the value of his personality into question. From what I've heard, I'm not a fan of the guy personally, but I'm far more concerned with the actions he exposed than those being exposed about him, mainly because my citizenship results in the US military and government acting as my representatives. Between myself and Assange, there is no such relationship. Until we can get past a politics dominated by a fascination with personality and a mindset which equates ethics to morality, we remain prey for those who would happily lead the blind.

  65. What's that old addage about artists? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You don't judge a man by his art, and you don't judge the art by the man? Something like that.

    Aside from that. I find it ironic that this "friend" is accusing Assange of being a backstabber as he makes a public assault on his character behind his back. With friends like that, who needs enemies. Really, you're faulting the guy for having "wondering eyes"? Seems this "friend" could do to be a little less "vain" and a little more "secretive" himself, you know, seeing as he's making condescending statements about a private relationship in public. I'm starting to wonder if this isn't all just projection.

  66. As for his girlfriend. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As for his girlfriend, she seems to be making the argument that "talking is talking is talking". There isn't anything wrong with "chatting someone up", but there definitely something wrong with having a sexualized conversation or sharing your lover's personal info with people like she's doing. How much could she have really loved him if she's now doing all she can to ruin his reputation?

  67. You know.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He isn't really paranoid, as it's obvious they really are trying to get him. I bet I would seem very paranoid if I was in a similar situation. I would also be very secretive. Geez. Don't know about vain and making sex jokes. They don't actually seem so bad to me. There are like 1 billion people that are vain and/or make sex jokes.

  68. It could be settled tomorrow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, we won't find out because the point is not to find out, but to keep the false accusations alive.

    The people working for the Swedish judiciary system could just travel down to London, interview Assange there and then be done with this whole spectacle.
    Travelling to meet the accused is not without precedent, they have done it for other people in other countries (e.g. Serbia).

    The same politically-motivated manhunt goes on and on and on. Right now Assange is in a de facto jail, he can communicate and meet people but cannot move about freely.

  69. I remember one of his friends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I remember one of his friends. they wanted to take WikiLeaks and was rebuffed, therefore started up a "better WikiLeaks" run by rules they thought were better and then trash talked Julian and WL to drive people to give HIM stuff, not pass it on to WL.

    Is this the same "friend"?

  70. He doesn't face any charges. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And the only one alleging a case is the prosecutor, NOT ONE of the two women supposedly involved.

    How lame is it when "I know better than you women whether you were raped" is fine when

    a) it's a woman saying it
    b) it's saying "you were raped, you just don't know it"

    Done the other way round? "RAPE APOLOGIST!!!!!"

  71. There is no charge. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And you don't have to be there in custody to be charged, you have to be there in person to be *arrested*, but that's not being charged. You can be charged in absentia. You do not have to go to the police station to answer questions, you only have to go there if you're arrested.

    Not even the women involved believe it's rape.

    So who are you to claim you know better than the women what happened?

  72. Whataboutery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry, that doesn't make the Torygraph any more reliable when the UK government, whom the Torygraph adore and worship, want Assange removed from existence.

    Torygraph exists to help the tories get their way.

    Grauniad doing the same for the left (what's left of it) has no bearing on it. By claiming it, all you've done is confirm the report of the grandparent: The torygraph cannot be relied upon here.

  73. funny always seemed like a Euro Douchebag of hig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    my headline is the comment

  74. Not new by Arancaytar · · Score: 1

    It's been public knowledge for years that he's basically an asshole and a pain to work with. Wikileaks is necessary and requires support, and in so far as his work is essential to Wikileaks, so does he, but that doesn't make him personally worthy of respect. The heroes in this piece, if there are heroes, are sources like Breanna Manning and Edward Snowden, and journalists like Glenn Greenwald.

  75. Arse. by Arancaytar · · Score: 1

    Ass. Buttocks. Hindquarters. Rear. Plot. :P

  76. Imprisoned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Julian's seclusion at the Ecuadorean embassy = Napoleon's exiled on Elba Island.

  77. Get a life. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The one thing I do know about this guy is that he has courage, probably several orders of magnitude more than the Telegraph article auithor.

  78. well said by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...couldn't have said it better.

  79. Julian smear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    just more NSA BS