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Microsoft Releases Free Edition of OneNote

yakatz writes "Microsoft announced that OneNote, including the full desktop program, will be free for anyone who wants to use the program. A version of the program for Mac also appeared in the app store yesterday. This means that a native edition of OneNote is available for most platforms (including iPad, iPhone and Android, but not Linux or Blackberry). Microsoft will continue to offer a paid version of OneNote with 'business-oriented' features (including SharePoint support, version history and Outlook integration). The partial rebranding of OneNote also includes some new tools like a program specifically designed to make it easier to take a picture of a whiteboard.
Is this a signal that Microsoft decided that they need to compete with Apple by making their productivity applications free?"
(Over at WineHQ, they're looking for a maintainer for their page on OneNote. Anyone running it on a Free operating system? What are your favorite alternatives that are "libre" free, rather than only gratis?)

208 comments

  1. Next they'll give internet explorer free by i+kan+reed · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Jeez, basic tools to use a computer coming with the operating system? Do they have any other genius ideas?

    1. Re:Next they'll give internet explorer free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Unlike most companies, MS gets sued by the EU every time they try to add an app to their OS.

    2. Re:Next they'll give internet explorer free by Sudline · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually MS adds a lot of apps to its OS. It is sued to favor their version and discourage users to use competitor's versions.

    3. Re:Next they'll give internet explorer free by mlw4428 · · Score: 1

      I fail to see how a "whiteboarding" app like OneNote is considered "basic". Should they include a CAD program as well?

    4. Re:Next they'll give internet explorer free by i+kan+reed · · Score: 1

      "I fail to see how writing notes is a basic application of paper"

    5. Re:Next they'll give internet explorer free by StripedCow · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Apple, in constrast, makes sure any competitive app never sees the light of day:
      http://news.cnet.com/8301-1384...

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    6. Re:Next they'll give internet explorer free by mlw4428 · · Score: 1

      So what about Notepad, Wordpad, Paint, Command Line's EDIT, etc?

    7. Re:Next they'll give internet explorer free by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Unlike most companies, MS gets sued by the EU every time they try to add an app to their OS.

      Unlike "most companies"? Just how many companies are in the business of creating operating systems with no hardware attached to it and selling it to HW vendors in large masses for mainstream users?

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    8. Re:Next they'll give internet explorer free by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      These are more like a typewriter than a piece of paper. For example, it's difficult to draw in them.

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    9. Re:Next they'll give internet explorer free by rolfwind · · Score: 1

      2008.... what like the 1st year the app store was even out, Iphone barely a year old....have something a bit more recent?

    10. Re:Next they'll give internet explorer free by mlw4428 · · Score: 3

      The key word was "basic" in "basic application". Most Linux distros don't come with much more than Tomboy which is essentially nothing more than notepad opened up for each new "sticky note" and sized appropriately. OneNote doesn't have any real competitors that offer the full range of features and believe me, I've looked. To suggest that this is a "basic" program ignores the fact that none of the other platforms offer software with the same features and capabilities with their standard base installs.

    11. Re:Next they'll give internet explorer free by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 1

      Yes because CNet is known for it infallible tech reporting, and something reported in 2008 must still be relevant today. Also the existence of products that compete against Apple branded products on the App Store shouldn't make the article less true.

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    12. Re:Next they'll give internet explorer free by Gadget_Guy · · Score: 0

      2008.... what like the 1st year the app store was even out, Iphone barely a year old....have something a bit more recent?

      That is still more recent than the Microsoft product listed in the subject line (i.e. IE) that caused Microsoft so much grief for including it in Windows.

    13. Re:Next they'll give internet explorer free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jeez, basic understanding of what all the anti-trust/Microsoft/IE hubbub was about with the EU? Do you even read the news on Microsoft or do you just take a crap anytime their name is mentioned?

    14. Re:Next they'll give internet explorer free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most linux dists removed Tomboy because of MONO

    15. Re:Next they'll give internet explorer free by manu144x · · Score: 1

      It is one thing to bundle it preinstalled with the OS, and another to offer it for free to download off the internet.

    16. Re:Next they'll give internet explorer free by spire3661 · · Score: 2

      THe browser thing was done so that MS could be punished SOMEHOW. Its like everyone forgets how much shit MS got away with. I fucking hate the derision pointed at the EU for actually punishing MS.

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    17. Re:Next they'll give internet explorer free by Gadget_Guy · · Score: 1

      And the citation showing proof of this retcon is...

      I certainly don't recall anyone from the EU saying at the time that they were just using Internet Explorer as an excuse for punishing Microsoft for other crimes.

    18. Re:Next they'll give internet explorer free by Barlo_Mung_42 · · Score: 2

      Perhaps you're not old enough to remember it but back when MS was evil they caught all kinds of hell for giving away free things with their OS.

    19. Re:Next they'll give internet explorer free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was more than just bundling IE in with the OS. There was talk about the OS favouring IE for connection reliability and speed amongst other things

    20. Re:Next they'll give internet explorer free by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Yeah because that's what he said. You know very well what crime Microsoft was prosecuted for in regards to tying IE to Windows. You can stop being a tool.

    21. Re:Next they'll give internet explorer free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean like Apple openly does with Safari today, even going as far as forcing all competing browsers to use their Safari rendering engine in iOS?

      But, oh wait a minute, I forgot. When MS does something bad, it's EVIL EVIL EVIL. When Apple does the same thing, only even worse, it's BRILLIANT AND INNOVATIVE!

    22. Re:Next they'll give internet explorer free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't see this with Linux and that's why Linux is growing at an amazing pace. Windows 8 will likely be the last version of Windows before M$ goes under and they know it. That's why they're reaching at straws. Giving away a prime time office application to try to keep customers? Pure desperation in the face of Linux's growing dominance on the desktop. And just look at the shills trying to defend their corrupt corporation... It'll soon be over for them.

    23. Re:Next they'll give internet explorer free by ilsaloving · · Score: 1

      You're ignoring one critical detail. In the mobile world, you have a choice. Don't like what Apple does? Buy a Samsung. Or a Blackberry. Or one of those Ubuntu phones. Apple doesn't have a stranglehold on the market. Android is now what, 3-1 for every Apple device?

      Microsoft on the other hand, utterly dominates the PC landscape, and continues to this day. That means if you don't like what Microsoft is doing, tough noogies because it's very unlikely that you can switch to something else. So they've been pulling all sorts of bullshit on people for no other reason than they know they can do whatever they want and you can't do anything about it.

      Apple has a history of being control-freaks to the point of absurdity. This isn't new, and they've never tried to hide that fact. This has been their MO since forever, and they even almost went bankrupt as a result.

      Microsoft on the other hand, has done so many heinous things that I can't even remember them all anymore. A couple off the top of my head:
      -Subverting an entire standards body just so they could get OOXML to be an 'accepted standard'
      -Forcing computer stores to sell *only* Microsoft gear, by refusing to give them product if said store tried to sell competing products

      The slightest bit of effort will land you a breathtaking amount of underhandedness they performed in order to get a complete and unshakable stranglehold on the PC market.

    24. Re:Next they'll give internet explorer free by kbrannen · · Score: 1

      The best competitor to OneNote on Linux is Basket Note Pads. It does the basics pretty well. It just needs a little help for the more advanced stuff, which some of us are trying to give it.

    25. Re:Next they'll give internet explorer free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Windows 8 will likely be the last version of Windows before M$ goes under

      So help us God.

    26. Re:Next they'll give internet explorer free by Gadget_Guy · · Score: 1

      And yet Microsoft were eventually vindicated, as every modern operating system is released with a bundled browser.

      There was nothing inherently special about a web browser that meant that it always had to be an add-on item that had to be separately purchased. People expect that an OS will allow them to browse a web page or play a media file. They don't want to have to go buy Trumpet Winsock just to get a TCP/IP stack like they used to in the Windows 3.0 days. These are just the basic user requirements.

    27. Re:Next they'll give internet explorer free by rcrath · · Score: 1

      Problem with basket is that you get all the KDE libraries with it, which is a pain if you don't run KDE. Keepnote is what I settled on, but it needs some Dev help I think. It is one person and has not seen an update in a while. Even so it creates XML notes, allows you to structure them top down and search them, allows inputting images. I also use my version of tiddlywiki (Google fiddlywiki) which I tweaked for note taking but it is limited to wiki markup for input. Onenote is great for note taking but has two problems which led me to stop using it. First already mentioned is no Linux support. Second is that it is a bear to get anything useful out of it into another format to actually do something with your notes, even pushing to other MS products is hard.

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  3. Re:The submission looks like a Microsoft advertise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    it's a one time use notepad

    Once you use it, onenote.exe deletes itself

  4. Is this a signal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "Is this a signal that Microsoft decided that they need to compete with Apple by making their productivity applications free?"

    In a word: no.

    1. Re:Is this a signal? by immaterial · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, if they're going after anyone, it's Evernote. And I'm thankful as can be about that; maybe it'll get the Evernote folks to actually focus on FUNCTIONALITY rather than just completely re-designing the app's interface once a year (in ever more convoluted ways). I stuck with Evernote through two or three obnoxious interface changes and I still have trouble getting text (particularly lists) to format sensibly.

    2. Re:Is this a signal? by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Lol, you guys in your little bubbles crack me up... You remind me of "No TV" guy, always butting in to any conversation involving someone famous with "Kim Kardashian, who's that, I don't have a TV!".

    3. Re:Is this a signal? by Shados · · Score: 2

      I'm an evernote user (because originally the android app for OneNote sucked ass...though I just peeked at it and it looks somewhat better now), but used to use OneNote...

      and while a lot of the Microsoft flame is often justified, not in this case. Get out of your bubble. OneNote is the one thing Microsoft got right, and its used by a _LOT_ of people. Even working for unix based companies, people with windows lap-top use it all the time, and those who couldn't run it before were drooling over it. Its fairly well known.

    4. Re:Is this a signal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (Same AC)

      You nailed it. Evernote _badly_ needs competitive pressure. I actually gave up on Evernote after one too many complete UI overhauls.

      Frustration with the clumsiness of Evernote ultimately forced me to re-evaluate how I store notes, and now I am back to basics: Simplenote (which is easy to back up to CSV), Dropbox for files, Feedly and soon Pastebin for URLs.

      Evernote is expensive cloud storage with a pain-in-the-arse UI.

    5. Re:Is this a signal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (Same AC)

      I am absolutely not flaming them. OneNote looks really rather good. Better than Evernote.

      What I meant was: it has absolutely nothing to do with free mac apps, and everything to do with OneNote being a viable introductory/gateway drug into a cloud system. OneNote looks trustworthy and it will help convince people MS can run cross-platform cloud apps.

      If there is any competitor, it is Evernote, who are the incumbent but could easily be taken down by traditional "build-a-better-mousetrap" competition, because they keep messing it up.

      Free Pages/Keynote/Numbers etc., is actually a reflection of the same reality.

    6. Re:Is this a signal? by NotDrWho · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I know that guy. He's the same guy that was always into that band before they got all commercial and people like you came along. And he was biking to work *before* it was cool.

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    7. Re:Is this a signal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  5. Re:The submission looks like a Microsoft advertise by danbuter · · Score: 5, Informative

    OneNote is kind of like a heavy-duty yellow sticky program, where you can link everything together incredibly easily. It's one of the best organizational programs out there, for people like writers, etc. I honestly think it's one of the best products MS owns.

  6. microsoft account by sirber · · Score: 1, Insightful

    is required...

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    1. Re:microsoft account by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 2

      [microsoft account] is required...

      It's also required for every other comparable note app, too. Evernote pricing may have changed, but when I first tried it most of the features I wanted required the "premium" edition - which requires $5 every month as long as you want access to your data. That's for 1GB of storage. That microsoft account will give you 7GB for free.

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    2. Re:microsoft account by Gadget_Guy · · Score: 1

      is required...

      Not according to this Ars comparison of OneNote on Windows and Mac, where they said that unlike the Windows version, the OS X version requires a Microsoft account. So it seems the Windows version can use local *.ONE files.

    3. Re:microsoft account by lgw · · Score: 1

      A Microsoft account is also free, but they're giving away the normal client software, not just some cloud offering, right?

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    4. Re:microsoft account by Espectr0 · · Score: 2

      The problem isn't needing a microsoft account (i.e live account to sync settings), the problem is that the program won't install if you are using a non-microsoft account in windows 8, which practically means you can't use this on business machines.

    5. Re:microsoft account by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Microsoft account comes with NSA backdoor to your data

    6. Re:microsoft account by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 3, Informative

      The problem isn't needing a microsoft account (i.e live account to sync settings), the problem is that the program won't install if you are using a non-microsoft account in windows 8, which practically means you can't use this on business machines.

      Yes it will - I've done so (on Windows 8.1, anyway). You don't need a Microsoft account to use it at all, only if you want a "cloud-stored" notebook. You can store notebooks on local storage or network shares, too.

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    7. Re:microsoft account by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 2

      Microsoft account comes with NSA backdoor to your data

      That's not a Microsoft account problem, though, that's a "you put some data on the Internet" problem.

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    8. Re:microsoft account by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      Its a full native client. I downloaded it on OSX last night. It looks just like all my other MS Office apps.

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  7. Where's the data stored? by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

    Does OneNote store my data in someone's cloud, or can I store my data on my computers?

    1. Re:Where's the data stored? by Richard_at_work · · Score: 2

      Its stored on OneDrive.

    2. Re: Where's the data stored? by herrnova · · Score: 3, Informative

      It has the ability for both. You don't have to use the cloud support if you do not want to, it can save your notebooks where ever you want. It has built in support for Microsoft OneDrive, or you can just have it save your notebooks in your copy.com drobox etc folder.

    3. Re:Where's the data stored? by King_TJ · · Score: 2

      I know with OneNote 2013 for Windows, it stores the "master" copy of your data wherever you configure it to go. It could be on a local drive, a network share, or the cloud (if you default it to SkyDrive or DropBox or Google Drive or whatever).

      Then, it always keeps a cached copy on your C: drive in a big cache file for improved performance. (For Windows users, it's found under C:\Users\username\AppData\Local\Microsoft\OneNote\15.0)

      AppData is a hidden directory, BTW.

    4. Re:Where's the data stored? by FirstTimeCaller · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It can be stored on OneDrive and doing so allows you to access your information from almost anyhwere using almost any device. But it can be stored locally as well (or on a network share), without any cloud servers.

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    5. Re:Where's the data stored? by Mr_Wisenheimer · · Score: 2

      On Windows, OneNote data is stored where you specify. You can save directly to your skydrive, to your library on your hard drive, to an individual folder on your harddrive, or to an enterprise network location.

    6. Re: Where's the data stored? by darrylo · · Score: 5, Informative

      No, the free version is cloud-only.

      Go on, try creating a local notebook -- you can't do it with the free version.

      I uninstalled it after I discovered that.

    7. Re:Where's the data stored? by darrylo · · Score: 5, Informative

      No, if you try creating a local notebook with the free version, you're greeted with a friendly message that says that you can only create the notebook in onedrive.

    8. Re:Where's the data stored? by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

      It can be stored on OneDrive and doing so allows you to access your information from almost anyhwere using almost any device.

      That also allows Microsoft to access my data.

      Since others have said the free version requires the use of storage on Microsoft's computers, I suspect Microsoft will be scanning the OneNote data for monetizing purposes. Why else would they prevent the free OneNote users from storing data on non-Microsoft servers?

    9. Re:Where's the data stored? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, if you try creating a local notebook with the free version, you're greeted with a friendly message that says that you can only create the notebook in onedrive.

      You need a Microsoft account to use the app.

    10. Re:Where's the data stored? by darrylo · · Score: 1

      Since others have said the free version requires the use of storage on Microsoft's computers, I suspect Microsoft will be scanning the OneNote data for monetizing purposes. Why else would they prevent the free OneNote users from storing data on non-Microsoft servers?

      lol, you haven't looked at the free version, right? They're preventing you from storing data locally, because you have to pay money and subscribe to their online office offering to get local notebooks.

      Now, they might still be scanning your notebooks, but the main reason is money.

    11. Re:Where's the data stored? by ohieaux · · Score: 1

      I can't use OneDrive on my 8.1 computer without using a "Microsoft Live" log in. So, this is a deal breaker for OneNote.

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    12. Re:Where's the data stored? by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

      You're agreeing with what I said....

    13. Re:Where's the data stored? by spire3661 · · Score: 2

      Its a standalone program just like Word, with cloud hooks. You dont have to save to the cloud, you can save locally.

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    14. Re: Where's the data stored? by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      I just looked at the OSX version. There is no way to 'save as....', only sync. Command S (save shortcut on OSX) is mapped to sync in the file dialog.

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    15. Re: Where's the data stored? by Barlo_Mung_42 · · Score: 1

      It's easy enough to get a free 107GB of storage.

    16. Re:Where's the data stored? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      100% wrong, someone mod down. This version is marketing ploy by MS, cloud only. Pass.

    17. Re: Where's the data stored? by darrylo · · Score: 1

      On windows, local notebooks are a subscription-only feature ($$$). I imagine it's the same on the mac. :-(

    18. Re: Where's the data stored? by Chelloveck · · Score: 1

      Thanks, you saved me the trouble of installing it. Not allowing local storage is a deal-breaker for me.

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    19. Re:Where's the data stored? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the same way you can't use google docs without a google account?

    20. Re: Where's the data stored? by darrylo · · Score: 1

      Well, in all fairness, you can create a local notebook if you pay ($$$) for an office subscription. However, for what I use, I think it's way too expensive.

    21. Re: Where's the data stored? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's the Microsoft answer to their Evernote competition, plain as day.

    22. Re: Where's the data stored? by movdqa · · Score: 1

      Thanks for checking. I won't be using the free version. I guess I'll have to buy a licensed version (and run it on Windows) or stick with Growly Notes. Growly Notes is the path of least resistance at the moment.

    23. Re: Where's the data stored? by Voyager529 · · Score: 2

      This may actually be a good thing...and I can't believe I'm actually saying that about a Cloud Computing (tm) product...but roll with me for a minute; I think this may be a worthwhile system for them to be using...

      1.) Onenote's first release was back in 2003. After over ten years of existence, plenty of people still don't know what it is. Onenote was originally intended to be the killer app for tablets (back when they all had pens and keyboards and were running Windows XP Tablet PC Edition...). Why not do whatever it takes to get it on Tablets?

      2.) The Slashdot crowd cares a lot about privacy. Most computer users don't. Most computer users upload data to Dropbox and Google Drive without hesitation. The requirement of storing their data on Microsoft's mothership will likely be even less of a concern. If anything, users are more likely to be better served by a system that doesn't require them to be involved with file sync management hell, or worried about losing all their notes once "click of death" comes to a hard disk near them.

      2b.) If privacy is of greater concern than one's money, it's possible to buy Office 2013 outright, or hit The Pirate Bay. The fact that there is a free cloud-only option, thankfully, did not preclude Microsoft from selling the locally saving flavor.

      2c.) I haven't tested this, but I do wonder if it's possible to download one's OneNote notebook from the OneDrive once it's stored there...it seems logical for the two-step method to work...

      3.) Onenote can really shine with the collaboration and seamless syncing. If Microsoft does it right, I think it will give them some good PR to have a Onenote notebook seamlessly work between a user's iPhone, Android tablet, Windows laptop, and web browser. I think that, if there were any particular program that lent itself to a cloud sync method of replication, it's OneNote - Unlike Word and Powerpoint, which use self contained document files, Onenote is more like Outlook in that notebooks are more database/PST-like single mammoth files. Sharing individual pages via The Cloud (tm) will be much easier than some sort of import/export version hell. All of this together, I think, makes Onenote more useful than just "a five subject notebook on a computer".

      4.) Microsoft's other gain here is (potentially) an uptick in people actually using their whole Microsoft account - OneDrive, Outlook.com, and Office Web Apps. If Onenote is free in exchange for also using those other services, then I think that this method of "enticing users to get a Microsoft account" is less objectionable than their method of "enticing users to use the Metro UI". Even if a user never uses a single Microsoft property besides Onenote, they still get 7GB of storage...and a 7GB Onenote notebook is a rather large piece of data...

      Bonus point: Google requires a Gmail account in order to use QuickOffice, even if you intend on storing a document locally. It's bad when they do it as well, I'm just saying that there's precedent for an application to still require login and that it wasn't Microsoft who started this trend.

      All in all, as much as I hate storing things in The Cloud (tm), I think that the benefits for most people make it less objectionable for the masses than it is for us Slashdot folk.

    24. Re: Where's the data stored? by cbhacking · · Score: 1

      The Windows version doesn't have a Ctrl+S shortcut for "Save As" either (and never has). Data is saved to disk automatically as you work, so a shortcut to "save" was never needed (in fact, for a remote notebook, "sync" makes more sense than "save".

      With that said, the Windows version (paid at least; seriously, it's been in virtually every version of Office for years now) does have a "Save As" option to export the files (both as OneNote files and as things like PDF and HTML).

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    25. Re: Where's the data stored? by herrnova · · Score: 1

      Oh wow, that sucks. I was going off what I knew from the paid version, I didn't think they would remove something as basic as save to local folder...

    26. Re: Where's the data stored? by darrylo · · Score: 1

      Well, they didn't quite remove it. If you want local notebooks, it appears that you have to pay and subscribe to their online office offering.

    27. Re:Where's the data stored? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just like Evernote does on Android. No local notebooks unless you pay...

  8. Hey, I have an idea!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's all mindlessly bash Micro$oft!!

  9. Comparison to EverNote by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    I've had no direct experience with OneNote before, but I have used Evernote off and on - in case anyone was wondering which one was more useful, there's a good (though year old) comparison here.

    To summarize, since I've been using Evernote already I'll probably stick with that. Sure OneNote is free but even taking the time to really try it out means something.

    If anyone else has practical experience with why you would use OneNote over Evernote, I'd love to hear it...

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    1. Re:Comparison to EverNote by Mr_Wisenheimer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The Windows version of OneNote is the most powerful note taking program ever produced. It was also one of the first programs of its type, and offers excellent integration with other Office applications.

      If you are using a Windows computer with stylus input and the MS Office suite, using OneNote is a no brainer. The handwriting recognition is pretty good. The Math equation recognition needs some work but is passable if you are a very neat writer.

      If Evernote is already fulfilling your needs and you are not using a Windows tablet with a stylus, you might want to give it a look, but there is probably no reason to switch. If you do have a Windows tablet though, I think it is a no brainer. It was one of the first programs of its type and it is hands-down the most full featured.

    2. Re:Comparison to EverNote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      OneNote does not try to replicate paper or worldly items. It is a digital space for creating and working. I use a Samsung ATIV tablet with OneNote 2013 desktop for all of my software development needs.

      I print source code to OneNote to hand review and make on "paper" notes. OneNote has a built in Windows Printer to allow software to "print" to OneNote.

      With a digital pen (wacom) OneNote is an open area for designing new concepts and maintaining these in a very organized model. Although you do not have to integrate OneNote with OneDrive the ability to do this allows the integration of your notes to exist on Android, iOS, or Web. All of these clients can view the OneNote documents including your hand written notes.

      OneNote does not restrict a page to any physical dimensions. You have infinite space right and down on a page. There isn't a concept of "pages" but unless you wanted this. I don't even touch S Note or EverNote. I am quite passionate about the OneNote application and it is by far my primary app for owning a wacom based tablet PC and if OneNote supported S Pen on Android I would own a Samsung Note.

      Wacom Pen + Desktop OneNote + OneDrive

    3. Re:Comparison to EverNote by mlw4428 · · Score: 2

      I like OneNote because of the whiteboarding features, multi-user editing, and the click-anywhere/write-anywhere type functionality. I feel that the search functionality leaves a LOT to be desired, but IMHO it's more functional than Evernote.

    4. Re:Comparison to EverNote by IsThisNickTaken · · Score: 1

      I was about to respond with "You want to capture notes and not have them sync with the cloud" which is desired for company private materials (and for other privacy reasons). I did a quick search online and http://discussion.evernote.com/topic/43171-evernote-without-the-cloud// shows that you can have local Evernote notebooks that don't sync with the with the cloud too (although you do not to create an account).

    5. Re:Comparison to EverNote by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      Thanks, between your and other comments I think I will take a look at OneNote and see if perhaps I'd prefer it for some note taking tasks. It seems like it's a different enough model it's worth trying anyway.

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    6. Re:Comparison to EverNote by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 2

      If anyone else has practical experience with why you would use OneNote over Evernote, I'd love to hear it...

      I have actually used it, although only on my corporate computer that has the required Microsoft office suite anyway. It really is pretty handy, my use is limited because of the way it stores data (all one big data blob). Evernote stores everything the same way, though, so that's not different. Now that OneNote is free for lots of platforms I'll probably start using it a lot more.

      I tried Evernote a while back when looking for a note-taking app for my tablet, and didn't like it. I don't know if things have changed, but at the time the features I really wanted the note app for were only available for Evernote's Premium version. $5 every month, forever, was just too much commitment to ask of me (didn't they once require premium for the PC version?)

      OneNote, IMHO, does a better job organizing things. You can have multiple notebooks, each with multiple sections, and each section can have multiple pages. Navigating through these is simple and intuitive. Storage options for each notebook can be configured separately, which is handy for sharing a notebook - you just store it on a network file share (I guess you could do it with a shared cloud storage, too, but I haven't tried).

      If I want to use cloud storage, I can use a Microsoft account, which has 7 GB of storage for free.

      If you're already using Evernote and like it, I can't think of any reason to switch.

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    7. Re:Comparison to EverNote by lgw · · Score: 1

      It's damn good for taking notes with a stylus. It's fair for taking notes with a laptop

      We use it at work instead of a whiteboard (or PowerPoint) for meetings, most of the time. It comes close to being good enough for that, but doesn't quite make it - the lack of table formatting options really hold it back (or some other way to do "boxes and arrows" more easily). For something other than engineering design meetings, it's probably fine.

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    8. Re:Comparison to EverNote by kbrannen · · Score: 1

      No, that year old comparison on pcworld.com is full of crap. It goes on and on about how Evernote can do XYZ and OneNote can't, but OneNote can do almost everyone one of them. The guy either is really biased or doesn't know much about OneNote.

  10. Re: The submission looks like a Microsoft advertis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Scrivenger. Specifically FOR writers. It's the perfect OneNote replacement.

  11. Redundancy by ottermann · · Score: 1

    They made it free because other competing applications are free. Evernote, for example.

  12. How do I know if I want to use it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If I have no idea what it does?

    This is an increasing problem with a lot of software advertising. You get a list of advantages and features, and no description of what the product actually does or what you would use it for.

    1. Re:How do I know if I want to use it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chances are you have no desire to use it. At least I know I don't. I only use stuff like that if the boss is telling me to use it. I guess that's what I get for being middle-aged now. You see, I've actually got a memory in my *brain* and am concerned about keeping it sharp as I get older. I do this (in part) by maintaining a general sense of where things are and what needs to be done. I've written programs that run into the 10s of thousands of lines and yes, there was a bug-tracking system; but there was no general purpose whiteboard capture database or anything like that.

      So. If you have velcro on your shoes or attend a lot of meetings where your productivity is judged by how much your name is in the DB, then you need this software. Otherwise just ignore it.

  13. One of the best new software programs by Mr_Wisenheimer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    OneNote is one of the most innovative software programs of the last decade and one that I have found particularly useful, as I have been using Windows tablets since 2005. While there have been imitators, none have been able to match it feature-for-feature.

    I am unsure of the business logic behind the decision, but this is a big win for consumers, especially since Microsoft is now offering it on third party OS's, although in a much-reduced form.

    Microsoft has had some really good ideas since Gates left, like OneNote and the Tablet PC. Their problem has been implementation. Companies like Apple have taken their ideas (like touchscreen smartphones and tablet PCs), repackaged them in a form attractive to the average consumer, and made billions. The fact that MS has so many innovative products that do not sell well speaks to some kind of serious problem within the upper levels of their corporate campus.

    1. Re:One of the best new software programs by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 1

      Gee, thanks, Mr. Nadella.

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    2. Re:One of the best new software programs by sootman · · Score: 2

      > Microsoft has had some really good ideas since
      > Gates left, like OneNote and the Tablet PC.

      Gates predicted in 2001 that "the tablet PC will be the most popular form of PC sold in America" and Microsoft introduced their OS for tablets the same year. Tablets were released by Compaq and others at the time. Gates had stepped down as CEO a year earlier but he was still around (serving on the board and giving keynotes and whatnot -- still very much the public face of MS) and it's not like MS made the tablet overnight once he wasn't CEO. The Tablet PC of the early 2000's was very much from Gates.

      > The fact that MS has so many innovative products that
      > do not sell well speaks to some kind of serious problem
      > within the upper levels of their corporate campus.

      MS Office makes tons of money. The Office guys wouldn't let the Tablet guys do anything really innovative or unusual with their baby. MS Office isn't anything special when you add a stylus but obviously it could have been. It just had some really basic pen features tacked on. Having given away the market, they're now struggling to catch up.

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    3. Re:One of the best new software programs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shhh... this will upset the apple fan's who "know that Jobs invented" the tablet.

  14. Haha by nashv · · Score: 1

    Real writers use tablets...clay tablets.

    In all seriousness, I never found a suitable program to store all my lab notes that I couldn't do better than just text files.

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  15. Re:The submission looks like a Microsoft advertise by Russ1642 · · Score: 1

    I must have been using it wrong. When I tried it I found it to be a big disorganized mess.

  16. Comparison by Warbothong · · Score: 1

    What are your favorite alternatives that are "libre" free, rather than only gratis?

    This seems pretty thorough: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C...

  17. Reminder: Software as a service by MobyDisk · · Score: 1, Redundant

    Notice that most of these note-taking and file-synchronization apps all come with their own proprietary built-in solution for storing the data on a server they control. And notice that none of them have an option to enter a SFTP URL to keep the files. This tells you that they aren't in the business of providing a note taking software. They are in the business of data mining your notes.

    Once again, you are the product.

    1. Re:Reminder: Software as a service by number17 · · Score: 1

      And none of them make my lunch every day!

    2. Re:Reminder: Software as a service by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 0

      SFTP, lol. Yeah - that's totally popular outside the neckbeard population.

      Outlook does allow you to store the data locally. If I wanted to store it in the cloud I would use something like Boxcryptor to encrypt it to a cloud drive.

    3. Re:Reminder: Software as a service by Shados · · Score: 1

      OneNote is made to have multiple clients share 1 file. So any file sharing tool will work if it maps to a folder. You can stick it on a network share or something. And any "cloud drive" solution will work just fine.

    4. Re:Reminder: Software as a service by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 1

      Notice that most of these note-taking and file-synchronization apps all come with their own proprietary built-in solution for storing the data on a server they control. And notice that none of them have an option to enter a SFTP URL to keep the files. This tells you that they aren't in the business of providing a note taking software. They are in the business of data mining your notes.

      Most, true. OneNote, however, allows you to store on a local drive, a network share, or your own web site (although I believe the web site option only works with Sharepoint - but then Microsoft tries to sell Sharepoint with EVERYTHING.

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    5. Re:Reminder: Software as a service by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      And any "cloud drive" solution will work just fine.

      But it doesn't. That's my entire point. It only syncs with Sharepoint, or Microsoft's Cloud.

    6. Re:Reminder: Software as a service by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      Most, true. OneNote, however, allows you to store on a local drive, a network share, or your own web site (although I believe the web site option only works with Sharepoint - but then Microsoft tries to sell Sharepoint with EVERYTHING.

      Local Drive: Yes
      Network share: Only the Windows version, and only using Microsoft's network sharing protocols.
      Your own web site: As you say, no, only Sharepoint.

      My point is, it should be able to sync through standard internet protocols. Like HTTP, FTP, SFTP, SCP, ...

    7. Re:Reminder: Software as a service by MobyDisk · · Score: 2

      SFTP, lol. Yeah - that's totally popular outside the neckbeard population.

      Umm... it's the internet standard protocol for exchanging files. Pretty much every server on the internet supports it. Along with FTP and SCP and stuff like that. If you have a web site, or a NAS, you can sync files using it. If a company makes a tool for sharing files, it should support internet standard protocols before they invent their own. The only reason to invent your own protocol to do something already ubiquitous is for lock-in.

      If I wanted to store it in the cloud I would use something like Boxcryptor to encrypt it to a cloud drive.

      What you describe is manually storing a file locally and coming up with your own way to sync it. That's not the same thing as what OneNote does. OneNote automatically syncs in the background, in realtime, which is what is so awesome about it. It's just a shame it only works with Microsoft protocols.

      Outlook does allow you to store the data locally. If I wanted to store it in the cloud I would use something like Boxcryptor to encrypt it to a cloud drive.

      Not sure what Outlook has to do with this.

    8. Re:Reminder: Software as a service by Shados · · Score: 1

      Yeah after I posted that I noticed the free version was crippled, unfortunately. The pay for version's actually pretty cheap and most people get it for free via deals they can get through their employer or school, but if that's a no go, then you indeed need to look elsewhere.

    9. Re:Reminder: Software as a service by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 0

      Oops, meant OneNote not Outlook.

      OneNote does just store a file locally. There's no special protocol involved, it's a file in the filesystem that OneNote uses. Doesn't get more standard than "filesystem". If you want to sync elsewhere you'll have to use mode modern protocols than sftp.

    10. Re:Reminder: Software as a service by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      If you want to sync elsewhere you'll have to use mode modern protocols than sftp.

      That's my point. Why can't they just sync files using existing standard protocols? I'm tired of buying XYZNote and it only syncs with XYZNote's servers. Businesses want to be able to use their servers. And people are more and more paranoid of government spying. They should offer to sync with anything that lets them upload/download.

      This same problem happens with image sharing tools. You import your picture to iPhoto: Great! It syncs with Facebook, Flickr, and some others. But maybe not your favorite service. Instead, they should offer a sync over FTP/SFTP/whatever. Then it can work with anything. It's silly that application developers have to tune their app to every flavor-of-the-month service.

    11. Re:Reminder: Software as a service by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      That still doesn't address the issue I am bringing up. Suppose you have a web site: www.mycompany.com, which supports various standard internet protocols for storing files: FTP, SFTP, SCP, HTTP, rsync, ... Yet OneNote can't sync its files onto there. IMHO, that's dumb. The same goes for many many competing products.

    12. Re:Reminder: Software as a service by greenfruitsalad · · Score: 1

      The thing is, even a simpleton like you can set up a sftp storage server in 30 seconds (apt-get -y install openssh-server; echo "all done, go have dinner").

      Now try to set up a web server that accepts 'https post' from your application and knows what to do with it in less than 3 hours (That's how your favourite WhatEverNotePad does it).

    13. Re:Reminder: Software as a service by Shados · · Score: 1

      OneNote saves to a file and expects that file to simply just get synced up on modification. Rsync will work just fine. As will any kind of folder synchronization option. FTP won't work on its own, but anything that watches a file system folder and sync it to FTP will.

      Yeah, it can use SharePoint out of the box to do something similar with WebDav....and it sucks. But anything that lets you share a folder will...and there's a lot of "standard protocols" that will do that nicely.

      Maybe its not THE option you want, but no matter how they do it there will be an option missing, so at least the one that works will work for most people. Hell just use GIT push. Its arguably a more common way to push things to a web server than FTP lately.

    14. Re:Reminder: Software as a service by cbhacking · · Score: 1

      "... and only using Microsoft's network sharing protocols."
      Not that I really recommend anybody use NFS, but Windows does support it. Look under "Turn Windows features on or off" (optionalfeatures.exe). It's called Services for NFS, and you can mount NFS shares as drive letters just fine.

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    15. Re:Reminder: Software as a service by kbrannen · · Score: 1

      Stop and really think about how you'd do that and you'll quickly figure out that it's far, far easier when you can use a protocol tuned to your needs.

      I've recently started working on Basket Note Pads (a note taker for Linux) and syncing to a server is the next project I'll take up with it when I finish my current task. I already know that syncing to a server is going to be non-trivial and tricky to get right.

    16. Re:Reminder: Software as a service by kbrannen · · Score: 1

      If you're doing this for a company that wants to keep it's data more priviate, and I can appreciate that, then get the company to set up it's own SharePoint server. You should be able to sync OneNote to that and not MS's servers just fine ... or so I'd think because I haven't tried it.

    17. Re:Reminder: Software as a service by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      WebDav

      Thank you, I was looking for that term.

      OneNote saves to a file and expects that file to simply just get synced up on modification. Rsync will work just fine. As will any kind of folder synchronization option.

      Yes, you could do that. But that isn't how OneNote is intended to work. You could manually setup a synchronization option for any application. You could do it for Notepad, or Microsoft Word, or Pages, or even iPhoto. But it defeats the purpose of something like OneNote or EverNote.

      OneNote and EverNote have *built-in* synchronization. It is easier to setup than creating a scheduled task on every machine. It is convenient, and cross-platform. Ex: Setting up my phone, my wife's mac, and my home PC to synch those files is a pain. OneNote also provides version control and history tracking capabilities. This is really nice. But what would be great is if OneNote or EverNote or Google Docs, could synch to any file server. EverNote and Google Docs synch to their own servers. OneNote can synch to any Sharepoint server or Microsoft's Cloud. They all use their own protocols. That's limiting.

    18. Re:Reminder: Software as a service by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      Stop and really think about how you'd do that and you'll quickly figure out that it's far, far easier when you can use a protocol tuned to your needs.

      1) I suppose it depends on what the requirements are. For 90% of users, just synching the file would probably be enough, with minimal conflict resolution across users/devices.
      2) Shouldn't the customer needs be more important?

      This is one of the reasons I'm excited about Owncloud. Finally, a way to synch files and share stuff without having to rely on someone else's servers. I'd love to be able to sync files amongst my family. But good luck finding an app that works on Windows, Mac, Android, and IOS that doesn't require a monthly fee to use someone else's server when I already have my own.

      If I had time I'd find some open-source Android text editor and modify it to automatically rsych the files when you open the app.

  18. Org Mode by rpdillon · · Score: 2

    If you're looking for libre notebook/organization software, I've never found anything better than Org-Mode. It runs across all major desktop operating systems (via Emacs), and is included with the default distribution of Emacs. I don't think OneNote even comes close to Org's feature set.

    1. Re:Org Mode by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      " I don't think OneNote even comes close to Org's feature set."

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_notetaking_software

      Seems that the information in the link above disagrees with you.

      Please describe Org's feature set that OneNote doesn't come close to.

    2. Re:Org Mode by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 1

      Lol! You Emacs guys are so cute! Doesn't even come close...lol. Because like most neckbeards I'm sure you're totally familiar with OneNote. God forbid you want to paste an image or screenshot. CLI4Life! Lolzers.

    3. Re:Org Mode by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Not sure if you're trolling, but Org mode does support images and screenshots. And yes, they're displayed inline along with the rest of the outline and can be collapsed. You can also include them as undisplayed attachments (as can OneNote).

      I've used both tools, and Org Mode's feature set is several orders of magnitude larger. OneNote hasn't really evolved since it was introduced, except the change in OneNote 2010 to add versioning. In particular, OneNote's Outlook integration is still extremely rudimentary, whereas Org Mode has extremely advanced calendaring and e-mail integration.

    4. Re:Org Mode by LaissezFaire · · Score: 1
      Well, OneNote can have pictures.

      Org mode is for keeping notes, maintaining TODO lists, planning projects, and authoring documents with a fast and effective plain-text system.

      I've mostly used OneNote when taking online classes. It does a pretty good job of capturing web page text and graphics, and the search works fairly well. I've seen teachers use it to collaboratively edit lessons plans remotely and concurrently.

  19. Re:The submission looks like a Microsoft advertise by Gothmolly · · Score: 1

    So exactly what are "people like writers, etc." ?

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  20. Re:The submission looks like a Microsoft advertise by rahvin112 · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's easily one of the most flexible and IMO best products MS has ever produced. The problem is with the amount the charged for it it becomes almost worthless and it received almost no traction because MS didn't give a rats ass about it. Think evernote without the ever portion but far more flexible and with an office type interface. It's been around for more than a decade, had MS been innovative they would have been evernote, except probably far larger more widespread and in nearly every single enterprise. Instead the product was a redheaded stepchild inside MS.

    But it's always been handicapped by MS's policies of not supporting non-windows and all the typical lockout and other games they've played their entire existence. It's because of this, onenote outside small niche's has seen very little uptake and almost no one knows about it.

  21. Re:The submission looks like a Microsoft advertise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OneNote is kind of like a heavy-duty yellow sticky program, where you can link everything together incredibly easily.

    So how does it compare to GNote (formerly Tomboy Notes), or to Cherrytree, both of which are GPL?

  22. huh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Microsoft products are bloated just like the MS employment of about 70 thousand+ non-programmers. Windows is great at running games and applications for a while but then after month's of use it starts to run sluggish even after cleaning up the cache's, registry, and defragging the drive. Server, exchange, ms sql are the biggest bloats, complicated mess that needs tons of customization to the server and the applications themselves to make them run correctly.

    1. Re:huh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must be using the computer wrong if it's getting "sluggish" after a month. Stop using registry cleaners, dipshit. And here's another hint: You slow your shit down when you clear caches. Derp.

  23. WTF is OneNote? by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Funny
    Hmm....I've never heard of "OneNote" before, is anyone else very familiar with this software and its uses?

    Maybe they're making it free, to get some recognition?

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    1. Re:WTF is OneNote? by Hadlock · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's a tabbed version of WordPad that allows you to paste in images, spreadsheet snippets, text etc, but has Deep Hooks in to Sharepoint to create things like programmable checklists for manual tasks that email out the results. It's been around since at least 2007. In the right hands it's very powerful but most people ignore it.

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    2. Re:WTF is OneNote? by Gadget_Guy · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hmm....I've never heard of "OneNote" before, is anyone else very familiar with this software and its uses?
      Maybe they're making it free, to get some recognition?

      It has been around for over a decade now, and has been part of Microsoft Office since 2007. Microsoft Office is an (apparently) obscure suite of productivity software for Windows and Mac. Microsoft Windows is an graphic user interface operating system that has been around in various forms since the mid 80s.

      The 80s was the decade when style took a holiday.

    3. Re:WTF is OneNote? by wiredlogic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's a little more sophisticated than that given the integrated handwriting recognition. OneNote is a spiritual copy of the original standalone Evernote.

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    4. Re:WTF is OneNote? by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 4, Informative

      Plus, if you're running a tablet like my Surface Pro you can actually write and draw in OneNote, using the tablet's stylus. The top of the stylus also has an eraser so you can rub things out in OneNote.

      It's pretty nifty when I just want to sketch something out that I will transpose into Visio later.

    5. Re:WTF is OneNote? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So its like HyperCard ?
      Or Ted Nelson's ZigZag ?

    6. Re:WTF is OneNote? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're trying to be witty, it just isn't working out.

    7. Re:WTF is OneNote? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      OneNote is a spiritual copy of the original standalone Evernote.

      That's quite a feat, considering OneNote predates Evernote by five years.

    8. Re:WTF is OneNote? by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      but has Deep Hooks in to Sharepoint

      Well, if THAT doesn't make you go running for the hills from this product, nothing will.

      Ugh..what a clusterfuck sharepoint is. If OneNote is a part of that environment, no wonder MS is having to try to give it away for free.

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    9. Re:WTF is OneNote? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Plus, if you're running a tablet like my Surface Pro ..."

      Ah, you're one of those 2 guys.

    10. Re:WTF is OneNote? by zlives · · Score: 1

      oh now i remember, it cam bundled with my Accounting Express...

    11. Re:WTF is OneNote? by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      And very few people use it....that's why most do not know about it.

    12. Re:WTF is OneNote? by nurb432 · · Score: 2

      Deep Hooks in to Sharepoint

      Which isn't free, and the entire point of this.

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    13. Re:WTF is OneNote? by unixisc · · Score: 1

      It's a really nifty app in Windows Phone 8, but a pretty horrible app under Windows. I'm comparing OneNote 2007 and the version that came on my phone.

      I just opened OneNote 2007 on my laptop, and couldn't make out head or tail of what the application does - it's just tab city, loaded w/ instructions. The one on my phone may be a later version, but does it better. It comes w/ examples of a shopping list, travel plans, and a couple of more examples. So I just had to edit that shopping list, and whenever I go out shopping, I mark the things on my phone. I created another for my car service checklist - there can be other uses.

      Long story short - OneNote is a cool thing to have on my phone: I use it primarily when I go grocery shopping. On my laptop, I never used it - find it completely useless. Nothing that I can't use Excel, or Word or something else for.

    14. Re:WTF is OneNote? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Style wasn't on holiday during the 80's. It was hungover from the massive drugs binge it was apparently on during the 70's.

    15. Re:WTF is OneNote? by oji-sama · · Score: 1

      The 2010 OneNote is also pretty horrible (and since I have Office 2010 installed I'm mostly using it on the phone, and quite rarely the metro app, which works pretty well, but well.. I'm not a fan of the metro apps) The 2013 one, based on screenshots, looks more usable.

      Since the items get synced there are some advantages when creating items on computer. Faster typing for one.

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    16. Re:WTF is OneNote? by Hadlock · · Score: 1

      It's a stand alone Microsoft product that - shocker - has deep integration many of their flagship products. in addition to having SQL capabilities, it can even write files to native Microsoft file systems! Talk about getting sucked in to the walled garden!

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    17. Re:WTF is OneNote? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Talk about getting sucked in to the walled garden!

      Apple has a walled garden. Android is wild and free. Microsoft has a small bare patch of lawn behind their shed.

    18. Re:WTF is OneNote? by jrumney · · Score: 1

      and has been part of Microsoft Office since 2007.

      Are you sure it wasn't since 2010? I still have Office 2007 (what new features worth upgrading for has Office introduced since 1997?), and there is no sign of it there.

    19. Re:WTF is OneNote? by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 1

      No OneNote has been around a while and is one of the few good things MS has going. Bizarre that they make it free, since that usually comes with a death spiral of investment.

      It's surprisingly easy to use, allows for free form note taking, and generally is a great way to organize random information you want to keep track of. It's one of a few things I miss after having ditched Windows at home and at work.

    20. Re:WTF is OneNote? by Gadget_Guy · · Score: 1

      It only came with these editions of Office:

      • Microsoft Office Home & Student 2007
      • Microsoft Office Ultimate 2007
      • Microsoft Office Enterprise 2007

      It was not in these editions:

      • Microsoft Office Basic 2007
      • Microsoft Office Standard 2007
      • Microsoft Office Small Business 2007
      • Microsoft Office Professional 2007
      • Microsoft Office Professional Plus

      It is a bizarre selection of editions. You would think that higher Office editions would contain everything in the ones below it.

    21. Re:WTF is OneNote? by unixisc · · Score: 1

      On the phone, the metro apps would be better. Metro is ideal on my Lumia, but I know I'd hate it on my PC, having seen it once. Horrible management of real estate on the latter, and even on laptops.

    22. Re:WTF is OneNote? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The 80s was the decade when style took a holiday.

      Style spent the 80s in rehab, recovering from the 70s.

    23. Re:WTF is OneNote? by Abalamahalamatandra · · Score: 1

      I hate Microsoft with a flaming hot passion, but I'll say this: OneNote is a very cool and under-appreciated program.

      One very cool feature I used to use a lot when I was consulting - I often had analysis engagements where I had to spend one or two marathon days interviewing lots of different staff members. OneNote has a feature that allowed me to record audio of the interviews (and only about 10 MB per hour) and would store pointers into the audio as I typed notes into OneNote. Then later, if I had a question about something, a quick double-click of the text in the notes would automatically start the audio playing a configurable number of seconds before I started typing.

      It could even do the same thing with video and audio - I brought in my QuickCam Orbit with face tracking one time, and the camera would follow the speaker's face. Just a tad too disconcerting for the interviewee though, I didn't do that very much.

      Sadly, this free version doesn't do the above - you still have to buy the full version for that. And somebody told me the free version is licensed such that companies can't use it anyway, so I won't be using this - I run Linux at home.

    24. Re:WTF is OneNote? by pmcizhere · · Score: 1

      Even better is if you're taking notes while recording (as in say during a lecture). Play back the audio file that is now embedded in your notebook (the Mac version oddly doesn't support this yet), and the notes that you took at the time will be highlighted as you wrote them. It's awesome.

    25. Re:WTF is OneNote? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OneNote is the best tablet PC note-taking application ever created. You write down your notes normally and it converts everything to searchable text behind the scenes. It also records audio with your notes, so you can play back the lecture and watch your notes write themselves while listening to the professor. That feature is excellent if you get behind in your notes or scribble something down that you can't remember later.

      Sadly it's not available for Linux. We have programs like Xournal. Xournal works well enough for replacing paper, but it's missing all the advanced features of OneNote.

      OneNote is also used in a lot of businesses as sort of a documentation Wiki.

  24. Re:The submission looks like a Microsoft advertise by movdqa · · Score: 2

    The current Mac OS X similar product is Growly Notes, written by a former Microsoft Word developer who now develops Mac OS X Apps. I use Growly Notes extensively for home and work stuff. I put my status information for my projects, record what I do daily and copy in Specs, emails, pictures, PDFs, etc. You can drag in videos, audio files and documents. The program will sync to other computers running the same software as well. I put my tax information in there which makes it easier to do my taxes. I have college stuff for the kids, hobby project ideas, directions for how to do things, etc. You can encrypt at the notebook or page level and you can do various searches. I've heard from others that One-Note does a lot more. One-Note can sync to the cloud but we don't put work-stuff on the cloud. I don't put a lot of personal and family stuff on the cloud either. You could drag all of your utility bills into One-Note so that you can retrieve them if and when you need them. One Note also has Outlook integration and I think that you can drag in stuff from Microsoft Office documents for live update. At any rate, I'm going to move over to One Note from Growly Notes as I want a product with support from a team and I like that I can put it on Windows and Mac OS X. It will be somewhat of a pain in the neck to migrate my stuff over. BTW, this is a big deal. One-Note was originally designed as a planning and notebook tool for college students. Microsoft bought it and a lot of people found out how useful it is for the workplace.

  25. took me a while to get used to it by a2wflc · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I liked what I saw co-workers able to do with it and saw potential once I got it figured out so I kept at it. It took me a few weeks to get used to it but once I did, I loved it.

    I was part of dozens (20-40) of projects at a time and it was great for keeping all of my notes about each project organized as I went from meeting to meeting. After I left that job (too many meetings) I didn't have a paid version of office. I've been more than happy with substitutes for everything else but have missed OneNote.

  26. beta being forced... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    on android opera mobile, i go to /. i get beta mess... i find the "or click here" to http://slashdot.org/?nobeta=1 ... but as soon as i click an actual headline, im forced to beta version of article.

  27. Ulterior motive by nickmalthus · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Who wants to bet that if one carefully reads the EULA for the free edition of OneNote that Microsoft has buried a clause in there that they can data mine all information stored in their Cloud service? Providing the OneNote client and Cloud storage for free would be a bargain given the data bonanza they would have access to: personal contact information, shopping lists, todos, etc.

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    1. Re:Ulterior motive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean Microsoft will know that I'm going to buy eggs and dryer sheets on the way home?!!
      Oh the horrors!

    2. Re:Ulterior motive by simplypeachy · · Score: 0

      From the EULA with OneNote that I just downloaded from microsoft.com:

      "Under our license we grant you the right to install and run that one copy on one computer (the licensed computer) for use by one person at a time, but only if you comply with all the terms of this agreement."
      So I won't be able to share between my devices. I could have sworn this was one of the points of OneNote.

      "[A license] ...does not give permission for installation of the software on a server or for use by or through other computers or devices connected to the server over an internal or external network."
      I read this as "You cannot sync to any of your devices, any collaborators nor via Sky^W^WOneDrive. I could have sworn this pretty much was /the/ point of OneNote.

      "If you have not entered a product key during the time permitted for activation, most features of the software will stop running."
      I didn't enter a product key (I was never given the opportunity) so I cannot trust the software to continue functioning.

      "If you acquired and downloaded the software online, your proof of license is the genuine Microsoft product key or PIN for the software that you received with your purchase, and your proof of purchase from an authorized electronic supplier of genuine Microsoft software."
      I was never given a product key/PIN nor proof of purchase, so I believe I will be committing a criminal offence as I would be using unlicensed software.

      I did not accept the terms and did not use the software. Unfortunately, as the uninstaller tried to remove several "SkyDrive" directories, when the installer created "OneDrive" directories, I had to wade around in the system and manually rip out bits of it. Real classy, Microsoft.

  28. OmniOutliner by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've always been happy with OmniOutliner for this sort of task. I believe it used to be included with Mac OS X since like version 8 or 9 all the way up through around 2006.

  29. Free is too Expensive by pubwvj · · Score: 1

    Free is too expensive since I don't trust Microsoft to continue to offer the product. One of the big problems is we need to continue having access to our legacy data. When Apple, Google, Microsoft or other companies decide a project is no longer worth supporting we lose access to our data going forward. They are not good about providing legacy support or data conversion.

    1. Re:Free is too Expensive by Shados · · Score: 1

      OneNote data is easy to extract and several tools allow it. Also not free, but Evernote will happily gobble it all up. Your data is on your own box (even if you use the online version, as it will get synced up with OneDrive), and it does have publicly available APIs.

      The moment they try to close it down, move your data elsewhere. Problem solved.

    2. Re:Free is too Expensive by vandamme · · Score: 1

      Microsoft frequently uses the crack dealer business model. After all, this is how everybody got hooked on Windows and Word: by getting it for free (mostly stealing).

  30. Re:The submission looks like a Microsoft advertise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I put my tax information in there which makes it easier to do my taxes.

    You entrust your tax information to cloud-based software?

    You senor, are either very trusting, or very stupid.

  31. stoopid program by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OneNote, AFAICS, is good for one thing: clogging your network with giant loads of crap. I used it at a small company years ago, there were only 6 employees, and a single message grew to retardedly large sizes within a few quoted replies.

  32. Ann it still sucks. by Lumpy · · Score: 1

    The best version of One Note was back in 2003 that on a tablet edition computer you could do handwriting. Why MS decided to be morons and NOT include the handwriting notepad on the ipad version I'll never understand.

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  33. Re:The submission looks like a Microsoft advertise by dissy · · Score: 1

    Gnote doesn't appear to handle images and other binary data, just text.

    CherryTree looks pretty close however. The only feature I see lacking is its search.
    OneNote can text-search within images for example, not just the textual notes.

    The Outlook integration is pretty nice too, but since that won't be in the free version it looks like, that isn't fair to compare.

  34. more "free" stuff from MS! by JohnNemesh · · Score: 1

    It's going to be AWFULLY embarrassing to MS when they find that they cant even GIVE their crap software away! They are also trying to give away Windows 8 and Windows Phone...problem is, people would rather use DOS than either of those products!

    1. Re:more "free" stuff from MS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're not giving away for free... they're giving away a watered down, crippled version in order to hook you in and get you to pay real money.

      It's like one of those 'free to play' MMOs which has an item shop where you pay real money for in-game currency or special weapons/mounts etc.

  35. Zim + Dropbox = Microsoft Free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    http://zim-wiki.org
    http://www.dropbox.com

    Microsoft-free, but no phone apps.8(.

    1. Re:Zim + Dropbox = Microsoft Free by roscocoltran · · Score: 1

      +1 for zim. It comes with plugins and also an integrated webserver.

  36. rub things by Phusion · · Score: 1

    Hehe rub things out in OneNote, so you can paste porn in there too?
    *rimshot*

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    1. Re:rub things by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 2

      I'm sure that you can keep a porn diary in OneNote. Approach your habit as you would an academic discipline, and take notes on videos. Annotate your dickpics. Keep a running bibliography of interesting urls.

      And upload the whole bit to microsoft servers so that you can enjoy a seamless experience on phone, tablet, tv, and laptop.

    2. Re:rub things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aren't you that dude who voiced He-Man?

    3. Re:rub things by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 1

      consults imdb

      No.

    4. Re:rub things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Yeah, sure you're not. Record the following and post it up online:

      I am Adam, prince of Eternia, defender of the secrets of Castle Greyskull. This is Cringer, my fearless friend. Fabulous secret powers were revealed to me the day I held aloft my magic sword and said: BY THE POWER OF GREYSKULL! I HAVE THE POWAAAAH!

  37. Re:The submission looks like a Microsoft advertise by lgw · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Whether OneNote is wonderfully organized or a big disorganized mess is not a property of OneNote. :)

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  38. Re:The submission looks like a Microsoft advertise by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

    Lab notebook too. It's similar to evernote.

  39. AFAIK.... by drake2k · · Score: 1

    No code source release, therefore not free.

    1. Re:AFAIK.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's "free" as in "no money required", not "free" as in "I would gargle Richard Stallman's balls if he asked me to."

  40. Blackberry users not affected by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For quite a while now, most any android app (not Google proprietary extended) will work on new BlackBerry phones. I bet OneNote works right out of the gate.

  41. Originally it was an app for the Tablet PC by WillAdams · · Score: 1

    And still has some nifty features to support pen computing.

    Other apps in the space:

    Xournal --- more like Microsoft Journal as the name implies (OneNote has more organizational features such as tabs &c.) (see also Jarnal)
    Flash --- in its rôle as the tool which succeeds the the pen drawing tool FutureWave SmartSketch ---
    Mage Software's InkBook --- (Mac OS X)
    EverNote
    Treenote, if I'm remembering correctly was quite interesting, but there's a placeholder page for now.
    sBook --- (Mac OS X) --- nifty A.I. driven freeform address book which can be used as a general-purpose notetaking tool --- I'm still bummed the Windows version crashed when one tried to write into it on a Tablet PC and wish it had better support for graphics --- opensource: http://simson.net/ref/sbook5/

    The odd thing is, I loved Millenium Software's Notebook.app on NeXTstep, but haven't found occasion to buy Circus Ponies' Notebook

    Mostly though, I just use Macromedia FreeHand for drawings and am trying InkSeine for notes on a ThinkPad X61 Tablet: http://research.microsoft.com/...

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  42. OneNote and OneDrive by ohieaux · · Score: 1

    It looks like you are supposed to sync your OneNotes through OneDrive. Since OneDrive doesn't work with Windows 8.1, this seems like a deal breaker.

    I know you can use a public Microsoft account to log in to 8.1 and use OneDrive. But seriously, who would do that? Need to cancel my Sky..err..OneDrive

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    1. Re:OneNote and OneDrive by Somebody+Is+Using+My · · Score: 1

      a) Since when does OneDrive not work with Windows 8.1? It is embedded into the operating system (although it does stupidly require you to log on to the computer with your Live/OneDrive/SkyDrive/Hotmail log-in if you want to use the integrated client, which I refuse to do... but you can always use the web-interface through your browser of choice)

      b) regardless of how you access OneDrive, you can install OneNote on Windows 8.1. It will request your log-in credentials during installation. Even if you log onto your PC with a "local" account, you can still use OneNote and OneDrive.

      Mind you, I absolutely hate how Microsoft is tricking the average user* to create an MS Live account just to use their own computer and think it's almost as bad as the MetroUI, but claims that neither OneDrive nor OneNote work with Win8.1 are patently false.

      * Yes, you /can/ create a local account, but it is not at all obvious that you can, much less how it can be achieved. The average user will just create a hotmail account like MS wants.

  43. Re:The submission looks like a Microsoft advertise by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

    Check out KDE's BasKet.

  44. Re:rub things - Major correction applied by udippel · · Score: 1

    I'm sure that you can keep a porn diary in OneNote. Approach your habit as you would an academic discipline, and take notes on videos. Annotate your dickpics. Keep a running bibliography of interesting gurls.

    And upload the whole bit to microsoft servers so that you can enjoy a seamless experience on phone, tablet, tv, and laptop.

  45. Re:The submission looks like a Microsoft advertise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Then start using BasKet (http://basket.kde.org/ not anymore maintained) as it beats OneNote in features and easy of use.

    Or writers it is better to get tools like Tomboy or its c++ port called Gnote. Way better for notes than OneNote is.

  46. Re:The submission looks like a Microsoft advertise by udippel · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Absolutely!! - Mod one this up; the most insightful comment until here, AFAICS!

    Trouble is, being a 100% FOSS-person, there is no close replacement, sorry. Tomboy is comparatively tomfoolery.
    Parent is also right about the prohibitive price. OneNote is the only software that I'd say is unavailable on *nix, that I'd really like to have.
    My partner is an academician and for her, this software is a must.

    Haha, the article says it will be available on *droid, so I'd have it!? Or the usual test or evaluation version? The article states 'free'; okay, we are in /., and in 2014, so the submitters (editors) are much too young to know what 'free' actually means; so it ought to read FOC instead.
    I really hope for this to happen!

  47. Re:The submission looks like a Microsoft advertise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I agree; modded parent up. None for you, though :)

  48. never heard of it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    never heard of OneNote before. thanks for posting the article.

  49. Re:The submission looks like a Microsoft advertise by glasshole · · Score: 1

    Add Visio to that pile too. Sadly I've tried all of the FOSS replacements, and all of the web/cloud based ones. Nothing really worked for me quite as well as Visio.

  50. OneNote is killer app by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mozilla should make a OneNote like application that allows users to store their data where they want over Internet using SSHv2 and locally. One person started using OneNote in the office and within a month over 80% of the office is now hooked using it for work and personal (Skydrive integration being popular to pass notes around).

    I took a recent college course for fun and about 1/2 the students that had a Windows OS were using OneNote.

    Combine a rapidly growing user base with integrated search (M$ snooping thru your notes) and M$ will have A LOT of data (all your digital notes) to target you with ads.

    I am surprised Google hasn't launched something similar.

  51. Re:The submission looks like a Microsoft advertise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OneNote also indexes audio recordings/files.

    If you're recording audio while taking notes, OneNote allows you to start playing the recording by pressing play next to any text in the page. The audio will automatically sync to exactly what was being recorded while you typed that text.

    Additionally, OneNote will also highlight the text in sync with the audio, so as you listen to a replay of a lecture, you can see exactly what you were typing at each moment of the lecture.

    OneNote is amazingly powerful, and I've found no other program that even comes close. Microsoft may not know operating systems, but there are no substitutes for Excel and OneNote.

  52. Re:The submission looks like a Microsoft advertise by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

    At least Microsoft gave a damn about Visio. OneNote was completely neglected. It could have been way more successful than evernote and all the clones had MS embraced it and went multiplatform cloud storage.

    It was so carefully mismanaged that you never even knew if it would come with the version of office you were looking at because they frequently didn't even include it in the list of products even when it was included!

  53. Wish there was an Offline Installation by Somebody+Is+Using+My · · Score: 1

    You can download the "desktop" client from Microsoft's website but all you get is a 2MB loader that then downloads the remaining 1GB of the program. This makes me wonder two things:

    1) Why doesn't Microsoft make an offline installation available for people, since the whole point of the program is to have a note-taking program that can be synced across multiple computers and devices. It would be nice not having to download 1GB on every computer I own (not to mention it would probably do wonders for their own bandwidth)

    and

    2) Why the hell does a little cloud-synchronized note-taking program take 1 GB of disk space? I mean, I know Office - and Microsoft programs in general - are fabled for their bloat, but this is taking things to extremes. Evernote is 1/10th the size.

    1. Re:Wish there was an Offline Installation by cbhacking · · Score: 1

      Does EverNote support things like handwriting recognition (so you can search handwritten notes)? Also, how much of that gigabyte is Office common libraries? OneNote supports a lot of integration with other MSOffice programs, and if you have them installed already you won't need to install another instance of the common tools.

      Not that I disagree that the install footprint is huge. I know the mobile versions aren't nearly that big...

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  54. It's not Free :-) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You'll end up paying for the cloud storage and my guess is that the OneNote team recognizes that the Evernote team game plan is superior over the long term.

  55. Re:The submission looks like a Microsoft advertise by movdqa · · Score: 1

    Growly Notes is not cloud-based software. It will sync selected notebooks in your LAN if you wish though. One-Note has online and offline modes. So you can save files in the Cloud if you want to or just locally. BTW, a huge number of people use Cloud-based tax prep services. A huge number of people use H&R Block where you give all of your tax information to a person and there have been cases of identity fraud with (human) tax prep services.

  56. Re:The submission looks like a Microsoft advertise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A decent story submission would give you at least an inkling of what something is so that you can determine whether it is even worth your time going to a search engine.

  57. Reading comprehension, do you have it? by cbhacking · · Score: 1

    Sure, because "...scanning the OneNote data for monetizing purposes. Why else would they prevent the free OneNote users from storing data on non-Microsoft servers?" and "...preventing you from storing data locally, because you have to pay money and subscribe to their online office offering to get local notebooks." are totally the same thing, right? You didn't claim that they were doing a freemium model, you claimed that they were spying on your data. darrylo didn't say that they *aren't* spying (because honestly, how would anybody know?) but they did say they were doing it to create an incentive toward the paid version. That's not what you said at all, because the key portion of your argument was that they were scanning your data. You didn't even consider the possibility that they were offering the free version as a sort of demo for the paid version, for example.

    This has been reading comprehension 101. Thank you for your attention...

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  58. Re:The submission looks like a Microsoft advertise by Goody · · Score: 1

    The situation with Visio is scary. There is nothing that works nearly as well as it, and Microsoft has been doing their damnedest to eff it up ever since they acquired it. One of these days they're going to be successful and make it unusable, like they did with Windows 8.

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  59. Useless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Want cloud-only like this offering? Evernote is around.
    Want something great for office management/documentation? Wikipedia's engine is easy to install & far better linked
    Best Linux stickies? GNote

  60. Re:The submission looks like a Microsoft advertise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When first reading the summary, I wondered what OneNote is/does. Most informative post as to about what One Note does, and adds information about a similar product. Mod this one up if you are going to mod up to +5 Informative for saying "One note is the best products Microsoft has ever made...I use it all the time."

  61. It is free because it sucks! by Squidlips · · Score: 1

    The search is lame; it should be a full-text search, but is instead the steam-driven exact-match text search from the 1980's

  62. Growly Notes by Dabido · · Score: 1

    I think it's only for Mac, but Growly Notes is a free and good alternative.

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  63. Re:The submission looks like a Microsoft advertise by smithmc · · Score: 1

    I might have been living under a rock, but I have no idea whatsoever what OneNote is and it is entirely unclear from the submission. Would it be too hard to mention this?

    It's a note-taking/sharing/information-capture app along the lines of Evernote, if that helps.

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