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Kids Can Swipe a Screen But Can't Use LEGOs

SpankiMonki sends this news from The Guardian: "Children are arriving at nursery school able to 'swipe a screen' but lack the manipulative skills to play with building blocks, teachers have warned. They fear that children are being given tablets to use 'as a replacement for contact time with the parent' and say such habits are hindering progress at school. Addressing the Association of Teachers and Lecturers conference in Manchester on Tuesday, Colin Kinney said excessive use of technology damages concentration and causes behavioural problems such as irritability and a lack of control."

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  1. Re:most lego's are a rip off by IgnitusBoyone · · Score: 1

    We are talking about little kids. You tend to get them the Big Blocks instead. They come in a bucket and you use them to build random square objects. Sets for older kids tend to be more detailed and well beyond the scope.

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  2. You can't use technology to raise children by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Kinesthetic learners are failed by touchscreens too. We're raising a new generation of latchkey kids.

    1. Re:You can't use technology to raise children by BobMcD · · Score: 1

      I submit this could be an improvement over the helicopter kids.

    2. Re:You can't use technology to raise children by plover · · Score: 1

      I saw a video on Youtube titled "A magazine is an iPad that does not work." It featured a 1-year-old child tapping images on a magazine, expecting something to happen, and being somewhat frustrated that nothing does. There's a kid who may never throw a ball in his or her life.

      Now I'm trying to figure out if that actually matters or not -- I certainly don't see ball-throwing as a necessary skill for life anymore, it's now strictly a form of recreation. We're no longer hunter-gatherers, we don't have to climb trees to get fruit or throw spears at boars to eat meat. We may be missing out on a lot of the experiences in the world by avoiding such activities, but we don't truly need them to survive in this age of McFood, Amazon, and Farmville.

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    3. Re:You can't use technology to raise children by q4Fry · · Score: 2

      For those too lazy to search, here's the video. ;-)

  3. Re:most lego's are a rip off by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

    Children arriving at nursery school don't need a $40 set to be building for an hour.

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  4. If I have kids... by Kaenneth · · Score: 1

    I won't let them use a computer until they are 5.

    They they'll get taken away by CPS.

    1. Re:If I have kids... by ArhcAngel · · Score: 1

      As long as you teach them proper Engrish.

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    2. Re:If I have kids... by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      As long as you teach them proper Engrish.

      I'll bet Mavis Beacon has a distro for that.

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    3. Re:If I have kids... by Qwertie · · Score: 2

      I don't think the "use of technology" causes these problems. Rather it is the failure of children to play much with physical objects, as all previous generations have done, and in extreme cases, failure to learn social interaction. That doesn't mean we have to eliminate computers from children's lives, it means children need more parenting and human contact.

    4. Re:If I have kids... by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      I thought that, until I had a kid.

      The problem is once they're about a year old, there's nothing to do with them. They can't talk, they aren't old enough to understand the concept of playing with someone else...all they can really do is run around and bang into stuff.

      However, I vowed to never be that guy who lets a TV raise his kid. So instead, my kid gets Sesame Street via Netflix on an iPad. Kid's 18 months old and already knows how to use a tablet.

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    5. Re:If I have kids... by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      . . . I don't know who they are.

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    6. Re:If I have kids... by profplump · · Score: 1

      If only there were some way to combine technology and social interaction. Something like a systematic way to express and broadcast thoughts and feelings for the purposes of sharing one's mind with other humans and visa versa.

    7. Re:If I have kids... by Rossman · · Score: 1

      What were you doing with them up to 1 year old? Were they somehow more interactive, and lost this functionality when they hit 1?

      I'm not sure how a child watching Sesame Street via Netflix on an iPad is different than watching Sesame Street on an actual television.

    8. Re:If I have kids... by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      Oh, around 1 they start moving around and can actually do things. Before that they're just spuds. They sleep a lot, or they're fine sitting under one of those musical mobile things. Once they're about 1, though, they can move around, but there's nothing for them to really...do. They're too old to just sit and they're too young to play with (you can play along side of them, but they don't really understand 'play with' yet).

      And there's little difference between the TV and the iPad, that was mostly a joke. There is one important difference, though. There are no commercials on Netflix, so my child has never seen an advertisement.

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    9. Re:If I have kids... by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 2

      I thought that, until I had a kid.

      The problem is once they're about a year old, there's nothing to do with them. They can't talk, they aren't old enough to understand the concept of playing with someone else...all they can really do is run around and bang into stuff.

      By the time they're 6 months old, you can start teaching sign language; by the time they're 1, they'll have a sign vocabulary of about 20 - 30 words, and be starting to talk, using signs to clarify what those talk-like sounds mean. When my kids were 1-2, I had a blast with them; we played games, danced to music, talked about the shapes of clouds, etc. And then, since they were still young, they got their afternoon nap and I had a chance to go and do other things. While they couldn't understand the concept of playing with someone else, they had no problems playing with someone who was interested in doing what they found interesting (which was often getting said person to build a tower of blocks so they could knock it over, or grabbing puppets off of people's hands and throwing them across the room).

      And yes; both my kids figured out how to use a touchscreen by 18 months too... we learned to keep the locks on and keep the devices out of reach except for under supervised use for limited time.

      It might be too late for you now, but I'd highly recommend looking up baby sign language; while your kid doesn't have the muscular dexterity to talk to you clearly, their mind is still full of interesting thoughts that they just don't know how to communicate.

    10. Re:If I have kids... by sjames · · Score: 1

      If, instead of a tablet the kids had blocks and picture books, they would develop manual dexterity. Or at least provide the books and blocks and limited tablet time.

    11. Re:If I have kids... by graphius · · Score: 1

      I wish there was a "sad" mod. you have kids and you don't know how to play with them?

    12. Re:If I have kids... by 3.5+stripes · · Score: 1

      There are ads on PBS?

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    13. Re:If I have kids... by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      That's what I do. My kid has books he love, toys (including duplos), but also a tablet.

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  5. Re:Relevant Skills by msobkow · · Score: 5, Informative

    The issue is not the building blocks themselves, but the serious lack of coordination skills on the part of the children.

    If you can't get a couple of blocks to snap together, how are you going to deal with tying your shoes?

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  6. Re:most lego's are a rip off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I didn't know that the bricks could only be used once, and in one specific order.

  7. Re:most lego's are a rip off by Kielistic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Allow me to blow your mind. Those same pieces can be used to build what ever you can imagine. Then they can be taken apart and used to build something totally different. The instructions are only a suggestion.

  8. uphill and snowy by mindcandy · · Score: 2

    geez, when I was a kid we had to play around with the chemicals under the sink for entertainment ..

    1. Re:uphill and snowy by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 1

      All I had was a couple rocks, a decent stick, and some string If I was lucky. Oh, and an extension cord with the female end cut off. You can guess how THAT ended.

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    2. Re:uphill and snowy by David_W · · Score: 2

      With a very angry cat, I assume?

  9. Parents fault by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Most parents today are horrible. They do NOT interact with the chile like laying on the floor and playing with them. Get your asses off the couch and lie on the floor playing with your kids showing them how to stack blocks, and play.

    I gave my daughter a earfull having my granddaughter use the ipad at 2 to keep her entertained. No you play with her using physical objects, and interaction.

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    1. Re:Parents fault by radtea · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Most parents today are horrible.

      So, just like all parents have always been everywhere, except in the halcyon myths of ahistorical memory, then.

      Stories like this are hilarious. Do people really think that "moral panic over new tech" is going to sell to anyone who's been paying attention, well, ever?

      Bad parents will always parent badly. New tech has nothing to do with it. Removing new tech from bad parents won't make them better. It will make them parent badly in different ways.

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    2. Re:Parents fault by Algae_94 · · Score: 2

      I think you're just a terrible person. Shutting out your parents from interacting with their grandchildren because they criticized you. What a rational response. I would think most children would be very understanding in comparison to you.

    3. Re:Parents fault by alen · · Score: 1

      yeah, like in the old days

      you, go outside and play and don't come back until dinner

    4. Re:Parents fault by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Most parents today are horrible. They do NOT interact with the chile like laying on the floor and playing with them. Get your asses off the couch and lie on the floor playing with your kids showing them how to stack blocks, and play.

      I gave my daughter a earfull having my granddaughter use the ipad at 2 to keep her entertained. No you play with her using physical objects, and interaction.

      Most parents today are horrible. They do NOT interact with the chile like laying on the floor and playing with them. Get your asses off the couch and lie on the floor playing with your kids showing them how to stack blocks, and play.

      I gave my daughter a earfull having my granddaughter use the ipad at 2 to keep her entertained. No you play with her using physical objects, and interaction.

      You should really do both. My daughter had her own desktop computer before the age of 2. Mainly because she was so fascinated by me working on one all day. I loaded a bunch of edutainment programs on it for her. We didn't use it as a baby sitter though. We would do things together on it. Though sometimes she used it herself. But we also played with MegaBlocks when she was at that age too. It was fun to see how high we could stack them, or chase each other around with them on our fingers. As she got older we got Kinects and smaller Lego blocks. Eventually she needed a new computer and eventually a laptop. The only thing she asked for for her 7th birthday was to have her computer connected to the internet.

      She had a school project a few weeks ago where she looked up information on the internet for a poster about an element and built a 3D model of the atom using metal rings and styrofoam balls. Her teacher went nuts over both.

      Anyhow, as important it is to have fine motor control, computers are ubiquitous these days. Trying to keep kids away from them is not the best approach. However, I agree with you. Parents shouldn't use them as a baby sitter either.

    5. Re:Parents fault by meta-monkey · · Score: 2

      My kid's a year and a half old and can already use an iPad to watch Sesame Street and Curious George. He also still finds time to run around in circles, bang on things and play with his toy cars. It doesn't have to be one thing or the other...it can be both.

      And if it were only one or the other, I'd still rather have the kid know how to use technology than blocks, anyway.

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    6. Re:Parents fault by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

      I wonder who raised them?

      The television did.

    7. Re:Parents fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It should be noted that you're not explicitly disagreeing with GP, you're just expanding upon his point. Most parents have always been horrible. I chock this up to the fact that they don't get a practice run before the real deal. I mean, you should at least have a go at the level against bots before you take on PCs, amirite?

    8. Re:Parents fault by HeckRuler · · Score: 2

      Historically, this would be siblings, cousins, and nephews. Family units had lots of kids and the older children would help raise the younger. If you go back further, family units stuck together like clans and everyone raised everyone.

      These days you're lucky if one of your immediate parents are in the same town and can watch the kid. Times change. Nature's slow on the uptake. That motherfucker still thinks we should be screwing our brains out at 13 so we can raise the kids before we die at 30.

      Yeah man, I REALLY didn't understand the term "staying close to family" until I had a kid. It's a loaded statement. It means free babysitting.

    9. Re:Parents fault by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      No no no! You're totally selling it wrong! You've got to say it's building up! Lemme give you an example:

      "Studies show that the CRACK BABIES OF THE 80'S are now having crack babies of their own who are EVEN WORSE and UNABLE TO PLAY WITH LEGOS AND INSTEAD HAVE EVIL HACKING SKILLS!!!"

      See? Three offers of employment in my inbox from Huffington Post already!

    10. Re:Parents fault by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 1

      Most parents today are horrible. They do NOT interact with the chile like laying on the floor and playing with them.

      Sounds like parenting as always. Statements like X today is horrible imply that X was better before. Most of those statements are rather subjective, praising to some fabled (and false) good old days. Pretty stupid statements, but oh man, do they make a fine soap box!

    11. Re:Parents fault by mod+prime · · Score: 2

      Well there are examples of new technology harming people before they understood it fully. I'm looking at you radium! Hey, are these lead pipes in my asbestos insulated wall? I should have a healthy cigarette.

    12. Re:Parents fault by HeckRuler · · Score: 2

      Huh. Apparently slashdot has a lot of grandparents.

      I get what you're saying, but think you could have stated that better. Here we go:

      Wow, if my parents tried to tell me how to raise my kids in such an abusive manner like Lumpy did they wouldn't have much access to their grandchildren after that. You must have very understanding children.

      My parents are great. My wife's parents have been pretty good so far. But if they ever tried to "give me an earful" for something that isn't even wrong, called me a "horrible parent", and swore at me about it, I wouldn't want that sort of negative abusive attitude around my child.

    13. Re:Parents fault by jader3rd · · Score: 1

      I gave my daughter a earfull having my granddaughter use the ipad at 2 to keep her entertained.

      I'm sure after she appreciated how that information is now helping her manage your granddaughter. Did she show you her appreciation by handing you an iPad?

  10. Re:most lego's are a rip off by gandhi_2 · · Score: 1

    at which point, all combinations of blocks and arrangements have been exhausted, the blocks thoughoughly used-up and worn-out, the $40 set must be tossed into the garbage.

    congrats. you "beat" legos.

  11. Re:most lego's are a rip off by jimbolauski · · Score: 4, Funny

    It because he uses the kragle.

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  12. Building Blocks are not LEGOs. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Building Blocks simply means any number of a variety of blocks, most notably wooden building blocks.
    LEGOs are a trademarked branded construction toy that goes together in a very specific way.

    The point of this is that it's about physical dexterity.

    This article does not reference Lego.

    1. Re:Building Blocks are not LEGOs. by SpankiMonki · · Score: 1

      Building Blocks simply means any number of a variety of blocks, most notably wooden building blocks.
      LEGOs are a trademarked branded construction toy that goes together in a very specific way.

      The point of this is that it's about physical dexterity.

      This article does not reference Lego.

      You are absolutely correct. When I saw the edited headline of the article I submitted, I had a WTF! moment. But now, I'm somewhat ambivalent about the edit that trades "lego" for "toy blocks". I can see several reasons why the edited headline might be better for the discussion.

      If I'd complain to the editors (who do pretty well for a thankless job) about anything, it's that they failed to post the related news link that I submitted.

  13. My son does fine with both by adam525 · · Score: 1

    It all comes down to being a responsible parent. If some of these people are handing them a tablet to babysit the kid, well yea, that's all they're going to know how to do. However, if the parents actually spend some time with their kids and do other things with them, there shouldn't be a problem. Let the kids use the tools and tech that is there for what they are : tools.

    I'd also say that a tablet is better than just TV. Wouldn't you?

    1. Re:My son does fine with both by SydShamino · · Score: 1

      My first baby will be born in a few months. My intention is for tablets to be used only outside the house, when we are in a public space like a (family-appropriate where I'm not being an ass taking my young child) restaurant, and quiet activity is most important as to not disturb neighbors (even though they should be okay with occasional child noise going to a family-appropriate restaurant). It might be appropriate in a car as well, when I'm alone with them and should be focused on the road, not them.

      Real books, being read by a real parent, building blocks, and a shovel and some dirt should be the mainstay of home play. They worked pretty well for me.

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    2. Re:My son does fine with both by StrangeBrew · · Score: 2

      I remember when I thought like you. Do yourself a favor and keep your vows to yourself so you won't feel like a fool when you start breaking them, one by one, until only a few remain. Real life is a lot different than that 'ideal' you initially think you can achieve. Some of your vows won't be achievable, and some will be exposed as gains in one area of your child's development at the sacrifice of others. If you're a decent parent you'll perpetually reassess your actions and rules, and take into account that your child is not your clone and won't necessarily respond in a predicted manner.

    3. Re:My son does fine with both by JonnyCalcutta · · Score: 1

      As a parent of two boys I see this the opposite way. I see restaurants and driving as good times to interact with my children (with them nailed in place) and also for them to learn how to entertain themselves and to learn appropriate behaviour. As far as I'm concerned the use of technology as a general pacifier is much more of a problem than anything else - I'd quite like my children to have some kind of attention span before technology inevitably takes it away.

      I'm not suggesting we're luddites or saints though - my kids still watch too much TV and play too much Minecraft but I think of them as entertainment devices and not off switches for children.

      As another poster suggested - your vows will be like so much dust in the wind once you have a real kid running about, forming its own personality (e.g. talking back / having tantrums) so I believe you just have to do your best to hold on to (a little bit) of your core beliefs, be flexible and let kids be kids. And don't listen to strangers with advice.

      All the best with the little one.

    4. Re:My son does fine with both by volmtech · · Score: 1

      Here is some unsolicited, grandfatherly advice. My kids haven't supplied me with any grandchildren so I feel the need to help someone. My oldest two were born in 1972 and 74. No computers then but they got lots of books. Do read ABC books to your child. Let her read along. My daughter could read them to herself when she was three. Today she has an English PhD and just got on the tenure track where she teaches.

      My younger two children were born in 1987 an 91. They had access to my 386 and their own Commodore 128. They had to keep track of their game disks and load them themselves. As they got older their computer was located on a table outside my bedroom door. No computer or TV in their room and no hand held electronic games, but plenty of books in their rooms. Today's small, internet connected devices are wonderful things but are very addictive to young minds.

      It was pure chance but each daughter has a younger brother. A boy is much easier to raise with a big sister to help. I am male and had a little brother, he is still my best friend. If possible I suggest having two children, we were meant to have family. I grew up on a farm and my children had plenty of woodlands to play in. You probably wont have that but any where with dirt is good.

      You had good parents and are willing to provide the best for the next generation. I wish you the best.

    5. Re:My son does fine with both by SydShamino · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the advice. Given our circumstances one child might be all we get. We live in a city, but since we delayed kids long enough, we're able to live somewhere nice where we can walk and play outside, and have chickens and a huge yard with vegetables and trees. If my daughter gets to play more outside than inside I'll be happy.

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    6. Re:My son does fine with both by volmtech · · Score: 1

      I'm sure your parents are happy. I will be 62 soon and no grandchildren yet. My 26 year old daughter and her husband have been living me and her mother saving up to get their own place and start a family and hurray, they just started house hunting. She is ticked off at her sister in law (they were in the same kindergarten class) who has an 8 and a 2 year old already and never worked, but at least is married to the second child's father.

      The future belongs to those who reproduce. My grandfather had 9 sisters who became grandmothers. Our family reunions were held at a state park. Now there isn't enough of us to field a baseball team. Other groups are taking over, I wish them good luck.

  14. Re:Relevant Skills by mindcandy · · Score: 1

    If you think all the iPads in the office are being used for business then your MDM sucks.

  15. Re:most lego's are a rip off by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

    If you only built your Legos one time then you missed the point. Even the ones were kids are like "oh this is awesome I'm never taking it apart" ultimately wind up disassembled and part of something else.

  16. Re:Relevant Skills by Primate+Pete · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's not the blocks that are important, it is the active use of imagination and motor skills. Comparatively less imagination and motor skills are used interact with a flat, rectangular panel of glass. Kids learn (partly) by playing and doing. With tablet screens, they are not doing as much. Fruit Ninja does is not as good as blocks.

  17. Kids these days... by meta-monkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Exposing children to new technology is a terrible idea.

    An Egyptian legend relates that when the god Thoth revealed his invention of writing to King Thamos, the good King denounced it as the enemy of civilization. "Children and young people," protested the monarch, "who had hitherto been forced to apply themselves diligently to learn and retain whatever was taught them would cease to apply themselves and would neglect to exercise their memories."

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    1. Re:Kids these days... by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      Exposing children to new technology is a terrible idea.

      An Egyptian legend relates that when the god Thoth revealed his invention of writing to King Thamos, the good King denounced it as the enemy of civilization. "Children and young people," protested the monarch, "who had hitherto been forced to apply themselves diligently to learn and retain whatever was taught them would cease to apply themselves and would neglect to exercise their memories."

      Well, King Thamos was right. Memory retention has been going downhill ever since :) I bet he would have had something to say about not practicing stacking blocks and spending time with mummy as well....

    2. Re:Kids these days... by fox171171 · · Score: 1

      Exposing children to new technology is a terrible idea.

      An Egyptian legend relates that when the god Thoth revealed his invention of writing to King Thamos, the good King denounced it as the enemy of civilization.

      He probably would have been okay with it if the writing was on papyrus, and not on a tablet.

  18. Time Limit and Age, plus school is doing it by Formorian · · Score: 1

    We didn't give a tablet until age 4, for a very long car trip is what started it. They don't get it every day. Usually once or twice a week, and we limit it to 30 minutes. Sometimes an hour if it's a non school day.

    But my daughter love's lego friends. And my son is huge into super heros/star wars lego's. Yes they are expensive, but we find sales usually.

    I find it's about all around letting them do things. Out side play. Some kinect for bowling once in awhile instead of tablet time. Studying/reading/walking/biking. Just letting them go in my parents back yard for a few hours of "unsupervised" play (can see from deck/indoors).

    My kids are now 5 and 7, K and 2nd. As soon as they start school they are on computers, touchscreens, tablets, etc. They have this white board thing. My daughter can pick up any electronic device and just know, faster then my wife. She's shown my wife how to operate the plex/chromecast device when my wife was first learning.

    I don't necessarily see tablets/touchscreens as a bad thing, as long as in moderation. But esp since they are using it in school almost right away.

  19. Re:Relevant Skills by SydShamino · · Score: 1

    I have packed a car for a road trip countless times in my life, and my ability to find the correct pattern to fill all available space is directly attributable to my extensive practice with LEGO bricks.

    Actually, I think my ability to pack parts onto a PCB layout tighter than most other engineers and layout designers is also drawn from this, and that does have direct job benefits.

    Someone who played a lot of Tetris might have the same skills; I was never interested in that game.

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  20. Re:most lego's are a rip off by Kaenneth · · Score: 1

    That sounds like a fun computation problem. (or maybe a 'Redmond-style' job interview question)

    You have 2 2x8 lego bricks, how many ways can they be put together?

    How about 3?

    4?

  21. Matches. by digitalPhant0m · · Score: 1

    What happened to playing with matches?

    1. Re:Matches. by plover · · Score: 1

      What happened to playing with matches?

      The problem is that it's all the frickin' strike-on-box junk nowadays. Good old fashioned strike-anywhere matches are getting harder to find. You have to dig deep through grandma's junk drawer to find a box, and then you still have to sneak them out to the garage to see which of grandpa's mysterious cans of fluids are the most flammable.

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    2. Re:Matches. by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      What happened to playing with matches?

      The problem is that it's all the frickin' strike-on-box junk nowadays. Good old fashioned strike-anywhere matches are getting harder to find. You have to dig deep through grandma's junk drawer to find a box, and then you still have to sneak them out to the garage to see which of grandpa's mysterious cans of fluids are the most flammable.

      Why play with matches? Just give the kid a flint and let them experiment....

    3. Re:Matches. by sjames · · Score: 1

      The funny (or scary) thing is, at one time one of the Cracker Jack prizes was a match shooter.

  22. Re:Relevant Skills by idji · · Score: 1

    15 years ago they were grumbling these kids couldn't run nor catch a ball. Horrors, what will they be saying in 2025?

  23. Re:most lego's are a rip off by geekoid · · Score: 2

    IF you only use it to build one set, then you are the problem, not Lego.

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  24. Re:most lego's are a rip off by GameboyRMH · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Reminds me of one of the most frustrating realizations of my life. When I was a kid, I was a big fan of Lego. I often asked for lego as gifts but rarely got any.

    As an adult, I found out why. My mom asked me what a little boy in the family might want as a gift. I asked what he was into, and one of the things was Lego. Apparently he was a big fan too.

    "Then you can't go wrong with more Lego," I said.

    My mom replies "But he already has Lego."

    *GIANT FUCKING FACEPALM*

    Now it all made sense :-(

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  25. Specialized Pieces by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Those same pieces can be used to build what ever you can imagine.

    No so easily nowadays. Lego comes with huge numbers of very specialized pieces which are taylor made for that particular model. You can get the basic bricks but most Lego today is aimed at building one model and then playing with it rather than getting a pile of bricks and letting your imagination run wild.

    There is one exception though: Mindstorms! This is simply brilliant and the new EV3 version even runs Linux! It's one of the few toys that are around today that I really wish I had been available when I was a kid.

    1. Re:Specialized Pieces by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Can't remember who to attribute it to, so I'll plagiarize and misquote.

      "When I was a kid, a Lego castle was a big box full of tiny pieces and a 300 page instruction manual showing how to piece together a castle that looked like the one on the box. Now a Lego castle consists of one big castle-shaped piece and a 5 page instruction booklet about where to put the other 20 decorations so that it looks like the one on the box."

    2. Re:Specialized Pieces by plover · · Score: 1

      The best Lego set we ever bought for my son was a castle set at a garage sale. It didn't have instructions. He just put together pieces and made castles, they didn't have to look like anything pre-made at all.

      Had I been more forward thinking, I would have thrown away all his Lego instruction sheets and booklets.

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    3. Re:Specialized Pieces by Xoltri · · Score: 1

      Not entirely true, if you're creative enough. For example recently I bought my 5 year old a Mixel. It had these hook like things on it for horns that, as you suggest, I thought were specifically for that model. However to my surprise he remembered that the same pieces also came in a spider-man lego kit, ran up stairs and managed to find it within a minute (which is a feat in itself considering how much lego there is). So even the kits themselves are still a good creative toy, even when they eventually get mixed in with all the other lego.

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    4. Re:Specialized Pieces by BattleApple · · Score: 1

      There's no reason kids can't do both. There's something to be said for learning to understand and follow instructions. I really liked doing it as a kid. After that, I'd take it apart and make my own things. And now I don't have to call someone to put Ikea furniture together for me.

    5. Re:Specialized Pieces by butalearner · · Score: 1

      Those same pieces can be used to build what ever you can imagine.

      No so easily nowadays. Lego comes with huge numbers of very specialized pieces which are taylor made for that particular model. You can get the basic bricks but most Lego today is aimed at building one model and then playing with it rather than getting a pile of bricks and letting your imagination run wild. There is one exception though: Mindstorms! This is simply brilliant and the new EV3 version even runs Linux! It's one of the few toys that are around today that I really wish I had been available when I was a kid.

      I have a six year old, and this is mostly true. There are a large number of non-standard pieces, which makes digging for pieces much more frustrating. On the other hand, there are a lot more possibilities when it comes to building things with articulations. My son builds robots all the time (cannibalized from various robot sets), and I showed him how using a ball-and-socket joint at the shoulders and hips, and a hinge joint at the knees and elbows makes it more like us. And he doesn't know any better, so he uses those non-standard pieces for decorations anyway. Some of that is, as another poster said, partially because of all the tie-in sets out there, but we tend to stay away from those. The Creator series, which literally has full instructions for three different models using the same set of blocks, should be everybody's first stop (and they're cheaper than tie-in sets anyway).

      As for the article, my son has played with the smallest size Legos since he was almost 4, and my daughter started even before she turned 3 (to keep up with her brother). Even though they do play on phones and tablets and gaming systems, they spend more time with Legos than anything else...and that's by choice. I'm not saying this in an attempt to brag here, I'm saying, parents, get your kid Legos, and build stuff with them. You know you'll enjoy it, too.

    6. Re:Specialized Pieces by tuffy · · Score: 2

      Here's the instructions to an actual Lego castle-themed set. The number of "big castle-shaped pieces", as shown in the back, is not large. The fact is, older sets were a lot smaller and had a lot fewer pieces with less variety than sets do now.

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    7. Re:Specialized Pieces by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Whoops.... Make that http://bricklink.com/

    8. Re:Specialized Pieces by plover · · Score: 1

      He had a space shuttle model that he put together one time, and as far as know it still remains in the shape of the space shuttle. It didn't grow dinosaur engines, it didn't have wooden castle doors, it never had gears and shafts and pistons protruding from the wings, it just stayed a space shuttle model. The castle, on the other hand, was sometimes a tube, sometimes a fort, and sometimes a box, depending on what he was playing.

      He's now 25 years old, and I don't suppose he's all that interested anymore. However, he's probably not too far from having a kid of his own to take it apart and remake it in the shape of a zombie tractor ninja robot.

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    9. Re:Specialized Pieces by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 1

      besides, the castle shaped pieces work great as filler when building giant robots and death stars.

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    10. Re:Specialized Pieces by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 1

      my space shuttle became SO many giant mechs and other space ships, and a Y wing, and god only knows what else. I didn't have a huge amount of legos, so you had to get creative with those parts.

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    11. Re:Specialized Pieces by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      That's what I thought until my son started using those "specialized" pieces to make all kinds of wacky inventions. Most of those "specific" pieces fall into two categories:
      - A regular piece with different coloring or embossed printing to match the character.
      - A standard mechanical engineering piece that you've just never seen before.

      I am a software guy with little mechanical knowledge, but as I read the Lego Technic Builders Guide I now see many of those "specialized" pieces actually look like nicely-finished versions of standard Technic bricks.

    12. Re:Specialized Pieces by uberdilligaff · · Score: 1

      And you have started your kids off into a future where they have learned to construct and invent, rather than just swipe and consume. They are building and reinforcing the pathways in their brains that will serve them (and ultimately society) much better than the kids who "can use an iPhone!". And it's a lot of fun! We need a world with more kids like yours.

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    13. Re:Specialized Pieces by Rogue974 · · Score: 1

      I hear your first comment ALL of the time and even seen it published in a newspaper....not so much about the mindstorm.

      Every time someone says this, I always want to say, you obviously don't have kids do you? I have 4 ages 10-13 and they get all the sets with all of the specialized pieces. Aside from my one son's Darth Vader Tie fighter set that stayed together for about 3 years before getting broken down, every other set they have with all of the crazy fancy specialized pieces are broken down in several bins or in their current work of Lego.

      Specialized pieces did not destroy kids imaginations or hamper their ability to build in the slightest. They work just as well getting put into something else that has nothing else to do with it what they were designed for. My daughter has a whole made up factory with employees, break room, work area, specialized pieces from 3 or 4 different types of legos sets all over the place, none of the sets were originally a factory or lego town set. That factory has grown and changed several ways and lasted for a year.

    14. Re:Specialized Pieces by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      The bricks alone are very easy to find.

    15. Re:Specialized Pieces by tsa · · Score: 1

      No so easily nowadays. Lego comes with huge numbers of very specialized pieces which are taylor made for that particular model. You can get the basic bricks but most Lego today is aimed at building one model and then playing with it rather than getting a pile of bricks and letting your imagination run wild.

      Actually luckily that is not entirely true anymore. In the 1990s, just before the company almost went bankrupt they indeed had a lot of sets containing just a few pieces that you had to put together to make what was in the picture on the box. When Lego discovered that they were on the edge of bankruptcy they decided that they had to go back to what Lego made Lego: the brick. So they scrapped about 10000 bricks from their enormous database and started anew. Today Lego still makes specialized pieces for particular sets but they are usually small and not essential.

      Sources: my own experience and the beautiful book Brick by Brick: How LEGO Rewrote the Rules of Innovation and Conquered the Global Toy Industry by Robertson, David and Breen, Bill (Jun 27, 2013)

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  26. Problem solved by excelsior_gr · · Score: 1

    Just use an app to make Lego constructions on a tablet. Teachers these days have NO connection to reality!

  27. Re:most lego's are a rip off by jimbolauski · · Score: 1

    You can purchase a tub of 500 lego for $50, or a tub of 100 duplo for $30.

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  28. How to describe a pre-schooler by n0ano · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Colin Kinney said excessive use of technology damages concentration and causes behavioural problems such as irritability and a lack of control.

    Seriously? These `behavioural problems` describe every pre-schooler I've ever met.

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    1. Re:How to describe a pre-schooler by hamburger+lady · · Score: 1

      Colin Kinney said excessive use of technology damages concentration .

      tl;dr. can anybody give me the gist of this statement?

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    2. Re:How to describe a pre-schooler by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      The degree matters though. If it's worse than normal, it might be a good point. I doubt anyone has done a controlled study and quantified the effect, but just in theory it COULD be a reasonable statement.

    3. Re:How to describe a pre-schooler by excelsior_gr · · Score: 1

      I suggest you put the broomstick down and stop banging on the ceiling. Also, cut the kids on your lawn some slack every now and then.

    4. Re:How to describe a pre-schooler by q4Fry · · Score: 1

      "Expert" says computers hurt brains. He says you're bitter.

  29. Tactile interaction? by Krishnoid · · Score: 1

    My theory on this is that when we moved away from keyboards and mice in the use of phones and tablets, we did away with the last remnants of manipulating three-dimensional solid objects while interacting with computing devices.

    I have this vague feeling that our connection to, and assumption that we can leverage, our animal evolutionary history is becoming more and more tenuous as we spend more of our time and focus interacting with items lacking analogs in nature:

    • printed language, as in books
    • industrial equipment
    • display technology
    • keyboards and mice to control physical processes
    • and now, tablets and phones lacking tactile 'presence'

    As we control and manipulate our external environment more and more while continuously decreasing our bodies' physical engagement, I have to suspect that more of these secondary effects will surface. Just a hunch, I'm not passing judgement.

    1. Re:Tactile interaction? by Reapy · · Score: 1

      The problem people have with tablets is their lack of tactile presence. This will not change, we may get used to it, but it will never feel as nice as a raised button. There is a reason some people still want their cherry switch clicky keyboards still too.

      There is also a really great rise in board gaming in the past few years because people do enjoy engaging their brains, but still crave the enjoyment of the tactile feel of having physical pieces move around as well as sitting across the table in other people's presence while they play.

      If anything look at the rise of how technology that allows us to be social when we otherwise couldn't be has exploded and taken over. People love other people and love being able to talk to them at all times. If anything in the past we all lived extremely introverted lives and were forced to only interact with those in our neighborhood and surrounding town.

      Now, not only do I have access to that, but most of the entire world can be reached, day or night, at any time. I can show pictures, videos, speak to them in voice or indirectly interact with them through games. At all points in times we are now able to be connected, and I don't get why this is such a horrible thing for people?

      Staying apart is what leads to confusion and ultimately wars as it is easy to alienate people that are disconnected. It is quite easy to ignore things going on in a foreign country that appears disconnected from your day to day life, but perhaps you know someone from their and game with them regularly or talk to them on a forum you frequent. Suddenly that global problem you would never have heard of in the past is a very real part of your life.

      I don't understand this anti technology backlash I keep seeing, especially here.

  30. Re:Relevant Skills by MatthewCCNA · · Score: 1

    15 years ago they were grumbling these kids couldn't run nor catch a ball. Horrors, what will they be saying in 2025?

    That use of a direct neural interface has rendered children unable to swipe to unlock.

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  31. Re:most lego's are a rip off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Well you're supposed to glue them together as you build... right? Or am I doing it wrong...?

  32. Re:most lego's are a rip off by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

    But they can't anymore. It used to be that way, but now that all the lego toys are tie-ins with Star Wars or the Lord of the Rings or something, almost all the pieces are specially molded "bricks" that really only make sense in the context of whatever the kit is. You can't really use such pieces for anything more than what they were designed for.

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  33. Won't someone think of the children! by gabebear · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Who is actually raising these concerns?

    The main quote comes from a teacher who works for a think tank(that needs funding) talking about conversations he had with other teachers... not stuff he's done himself.

    "I've spoken to a number of nursery teachers who have concerns over the increasing numbers of young pupils who can swipe a screen but have little or no manipulative skills to play with building blocks – or pupils who can't socialise with other pupils, but whose parents talk proudly of their ability to use a tablet or smartphone."

  34. Re:Retarded fat thick overweight fat pillock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Lego isn't an acronym, so why capitalize it? It's an uncountable noun, so why pluralize it?

    Because you're THICK, that's why.

    Because LEGO is the official name for the bricks from the LEGO group: http://aboutus.lego.com/en-us

    Your attempt at being obnoxious isn't obnoxious; it's just obvious.

  35. Re:Kids are Retarded, News at 11 by geekoid · · Score: 1

    "Children today are retarded - physically, mentally, and emotionally, and they come from retarded parents."
    False, by every measure.

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  36. Re:Relevant Skills by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

    "Kids these days can't even swipe a tablet, all wired-up as they are with these direct brain interfaces! It's terrible I tell you, terrible!"

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  37. Re:most lego's are a rip off by PIBM · · Score: 1

    Even if we cut off the symetries, there`s an infinite number of ways that you can assemble them. Don`t believe me ? Hehe let`s start from the beginning ..

    Lets say, we use either as the bottom one, but that`s considered symetric, so we only look as a fixed bottom one and another to attach to. You could put exactly over it, then you could move up on the side for a total of 8 positions. Either side are symetric. Then, you could move it to the side by one, and repeat. You could also move it to the other side, but that`s symetric. And the symetry of moving on the other side and off by -1 is ignored too. So, in the same axis, we have 16 non-symetric positions.

    Now, they could be installed centered at at 90 degree angle, where you`d have 5 non-symetric positions to move the top one. Then you could move it toward the end of the bottom one, again repeating those 5 positions, and that up to 5 times for a total of 25 non symetric positions in this arrangeemnt. So far we have a total of 41 non-symetric positions.

    Finally, that`s where it gets interesting. When you have a single locked point, you can rotate it to any angle you wish (in the valid range, which I don`t happen to know at this time and don`t have the time to try to compute), thus providing an infinite number of positions they can be locked together. And you have 4 of those infinites, 2 points on the bottom one, linking to either of the 2 end points of the top one (the others are symetric to those, again) Have fun trying this with 3 :)

  38. Besides the manipulation issue by MarcoAtWork · · Score: 4, Insightful

    which is already concerning, as fine motor skills are very important, the other sentence in the article that worried me was the mention that kids now have trouble memorizing even simple lines for a play, since they are used to information being easily always available so they aren't putting in the effort of learning it.

    As much as easy global information access is great, unless you learn the basics it's quite difficult to make sense of what's available and to have an informed opinion. Just because you have a river of information always available it doesn't help if you can't relate to it, it makes you that much more susceptible to being influenced, because since you are not able to discriminate between quality information and misleading or wrong information, any page/blog/article of somebody with an agenda can just point to "studies" that support their point (no matter how objectively wrong that point is) and it transforms informed discussions into popularity contests.

    I don't think it's tinfoil hat time in terms of there being some sort of overall arching conspiracy about this, but it sure is concerning when you have a society like ours where media has many orders of magnitude more funding and impact than academia, I mean, even the word "academia" nowadays is overlaid with negative connotations (at least in North America) rather than the respect it should evoke: these days an actor/model stating an opinion can easily counterbalance hundreds of scientists/academics with fact-based studies.

    Before the internet there were just as many crackpot theories around, however they were not presented as if they were the same as science, if you went to the library you wouldn't find in the astronomy section geocentric books shelved together with heliocentric and general relativity ones: now with your browser on the "internet library" you can find professional-looking sites pro/anti everything and without the tools learned in school/university how can you make sense of which is right? especially in cases where the science is counter-intuitive for a particular issue?

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    1. Re:Besides the manipulation issue by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 1

      Really what has been happening to children in the last 50 years or so is an ascending curve of influences, combining to create a new "First World Race"(so to speak).
      The effects of these influences have been studied and can be easily found on this "internet library".

      Here are a few:
      1. The increased intake of Sugar in the American diet.
      2. The ill affects of Multi-Tasking
      3. How the overuse of consumer electronics is ruining sleep patterns
      4. Kids don't play outside as much or at all

      So, in effect, we have a new generation that is:
      less likely to play outside, interact/understand/empathize with the natural world, can't remember as much due to being able to look things up instantly online, is more likely to display symptoms of ADD/ADHD due to over-intake of sugar and ADD/ADHD drugs, has a much shorter attention span than previous generations, etc, etc.

      None of this is any sort of conspiracy, but rather is due to the way technology and our modern world has "evolved" in the last half century.

      To me one of the interesting things to note here is that less affluent children don't display these issues because they don't come from families who can afford the ADD-Constantly Connected-Sugar Ridden lifestyle that is now the norm in the middle and upper classes in the First World.

      We are now and will continue seeing the affects of this "evolution".

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    2. Re:Besides the manipulation issue by jader3rd · · Score: 1

      the other sentence in the article that worried me was the mention that kids now have trouble memorizing even simple lines for a play, since they are used to information being easily always available so they aren't putting in the effort of learning it.

      Isn't that the same argument for not allowing calculators in school?

    3. Re:Besides the manipulation issue by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      the other sentence in the article that worried me was the mention that kids now have trouble memorizing even simple lines for a play, since they are used to information being easily always available so they aren't putting in the effort of learning it.

      Isn't that the same argument for not allowing calculators in school?

      And couldn't it be solved by giving the kids Google Glasses to prompt them while they're doing the play?

      (that's meant as satire folks)

    4. Re:Besides the manipulation issue by jader3rd · · Score: 1

      And couldn't it be solved by giving the kids Google Glasses to prompt them while they're doing the play?

      Professionals use Teleprompters.

    5. Re:Besides the manipulation issue by melchoir55 · · Score: 1

      Part of the reason academia no longer garners respect is because it doesn't deserve it. I went into college foaming at the mouth for serious science. I was excited to do research, pursue professorship, the whole nine yards. What I encountered completely rocked me. Researchers in my field were only given an ear if they were essentially "towing the party line". Anything you found in the journals was just a natural evolution, or some trite spin, on the same theories the discipline had been running with for 30 years. This sucked, but I guess I could forgive it if the science was sound.

      The science was horrifyingly, clearly, absolutely not sound. Articles regularly publish results, but do not clearly provide the steps necessary to reproduce them. Further, they rarely publish their raw data.Their power was entirely seated in the name of the researcher presenting the article. They were essentially no better than the websites you refer to.

      There are reasons for all this. Researchers are pushed to publish publish publish no matter what. Large class sizes. No room to try experiments that might fail. The list goes on.But just because there are reasons doesn't make the situation excusable.

      Academia today in the US a joke. It absolutely deserves to be regarded with scorn.

    6. Re:Besides the manipulation issue by uninformedLuddite · · Score: 1

      Isn't that the same argument for not allowing calculators in school?

      Not even close

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  39. Absurd conclusion. Everything is learned. by js3 · · Score: 2

    Kids will be familiar with whatever he/she has had time to play with. Ability to build legos doesn't come built it, kids who haven't seen one will still have to learn how to build them.

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  40. Re:Kids are Retarded, News at 11 by MRe_nl · · Score: 2

    I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on the frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless beyond words. When I was a boy, we were taught to be discrete and respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly wise and impatient of restraint.

    Hesiod, Eighth Century B.C.

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  41. Simple Solution by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

    I gave my daughter a earfull having my granddaughter use the ipad at 2 to keep her entertained. No you play with her using physical objects, and interaction.

    There is a simple, less confrontational solution to this which solves both problems at once and provides an important, although expensive, lesson about not giving toddlers unsupervised access to delicate electronics. Introduce your granddaughter to the joys of a toy wooden hammer - the sort that comes with the hammer through peg sets. Then stand back and watch the fun although of course once the screen cracks you'll need to remove the iPad for safety. Even if the hammer is removed I was always amazed at how much our kids liked to hammer using any available implement once they got the hang of it.

  42. Assemble once and KRAzyGLuE? Doing it wrong. by tepples · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You're doing it wrong. LEGO kits are intended to be assembled into a model, then disassembled and reassembled into a different model. That's why the enclosed instruction book shows how to build more than one model. For a dramatization of how wrong you're doing it, go see The LEGO Movie.

    1. Re:Assemble once and KRAzyGLuE? Doing it wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Actually the interesting models are supposed to be built about 2/3 of the way then abandoned when the builder figures out that the model had some really cool trick. The is particularly true of technic models and builders who like robotics. "Dude, did you see how the rack and pinion got used in the BLUFURBL? I've never seen it done quite that way, with a tweak that do exactly what I need for my RASCDFLR-bot..."

    2. Re:Assemble once and KRAzyGLuE? Doing it wrong. by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      That was humor, not a serious statement.

  43. Uh, grandparents might have some experience ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Wow, if my parents tried to tell me how to raise my kids they wouldn't have much access to their grandchildren after that. You must have very understanding children.

    Or perhaps mature children who recognize that they are new at parenting and that their parents might actually know something about raising kids. As opposed to immature children who are still in an immature teen-like my-parents-know-nothing phase. For the latter, don't worry, most of you will grow out of it, as you learn the lesson your parents already did, develop the experience they already have.

    Seriously people. Children have not changed. They are still the result of millions of years of evolution that expects them to be reaching for physical things and manipulating them. Learning to judge distance and spatial relationships, manipulate objects through 3d space, etc.

    Relegating them to tapping on glass seems like quite the experiment.

    1. Re:Uh, grandparents might have some experience ... by profplump · · Score: 1

      So are you planning to reconstruct an unchanged society to loose these unchanged children in 20 years from now? If not I feel like maybe teaching them to use the social systems of their time might be valuable -- long ago children used to learn Middle English, but as it turns out technology changes (as does everything else), and children (and parents) much change with it.

      I'm not saying that spacial perception will suddenly cease to be important, but the idea that children don't change is absurd.

      / As is the idea that all experience older people have is relevant or useful, or that all of the things younger people think they know better are wrong, or that either side is unjustified in their opinion

  44. Re:most lego's are a rip off by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We are talking about little kids. You tend to get them the Big Blocks instead.

    ... because little kids don't have the dexterity to use regular Legos. The reason two year old kids can use an iPad and aren't ready for standard Legos is because the latter requires more skill. TFA claims claims that exposing kids to technology is causing our civilization to spiral down the drain, but provides no evidence whatsoever, other than anecdotes and conjecture.

  45. Re:most lego's are a rip off by PIBM · · Score: 2

    Actually, there are quite a few nice sets which I`ve purchased for my kids. I agree that there's a lot of bad sets out there, but I look at my old sets instructions advertisement pages, and there was also a lot of bad sets 30 years ago but we didn`t happened to purchase them either :)

    http://www.lego.com/en-us/crea...
    http://www.lego.com/en-us/crea...
    http://www.lego.com/en-us/crea...
    http://www.lego.com/en-us/tech...

    Ok, that last one`s for me :)

  46. Re:Relevant Skills by Stickerboy · · Score: 2

    "Kids these days can't even swipe a tablet, all wired-up as they are with these direct brain interfaces! It's terrible I tell you, terrible!"

    In 2025, they probably will be stuck in their Buy 'N Large hover recliners, with drones delivering everything and informercials streamed directly to their heads-up or retinal displays. They won't need silly things like "interfaces" for antiquated notions like "choice".

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  47. What's next? by grumpyman · · Score: 1

    We had TV, PC, gaming console and now tablet.... what next?

  48. Re:Relevant Skills by Tailhook · · Score: 1

    couldn't run nor catch a ball

    Yeah, that's what they said. Now we've got a nation full of lard asses piling into SSI disability because their bodies are ruined.

    Fifteen years from now we'll have all that plus they'll be profoundly nearsighted from excessive iPhone use starting at age 2.

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  49. Re:most lego's are a rip off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There are three sizes, I think. The standard LEGO size, the Duplo size, and the Mega-block size. The last one is HUGE, and it's so big I'm not sure I see a point. My experience so far says they can hold and manipulate the Duplo by the time they are 18 months. Not expertly, but enough to put some pieces togethera, and there's nothing wrong with a little challenge. Plus, Duplo are far more reasonable to merge with the small LEGO size when they graduate, while Mega Block size are so big they're basically unrelated.

  50. Re:most lego's are a rip off by profplump · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It also fails to acknowledge that LEGO is itself technology -- relatively modern, high technology in the grand scheme of humanity -- or provide any meaningful distinction between "good" technologies like verbal language and "bad" technologies like iPads.

    As with virtually all "kids these days" rants it's nothing more than an attempt to relive the past by forcing it on today's young people.

  51. The simple solution is to by CQDX · · Score: 1

    give the toddlers a bunch of building blocks and hang the tablet from the ceiling.

  52. App by I7D · · Score: 2

    I'm sure there's an App that simulates working with legos.

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    1. Re:App by hodet · · Score: 1

      Indeed. It's called Lego Digital Designer and it is a free download from Lego's site. My 5 year old son still prefers real lego's though. I used LDD to design a sweet lego case for my raspberry pi.

  53. Re:most lego's are a rip off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Except that you're actually wrong.

    minifgures (lego people) and their tools/accessories aside, the models today are almost completely made from select colors of commodity pieces.

    What's changed is that the range of commodity pieces has expanded some, and models in general tend to make more use of some more elaborate pieces that attach in ways which allow more articulation of the model as well as smaller pieces (meaning they favor plates over bricks).

    Sure that X-wing may have a special R2-D2 minifigure and windshield piece, but the rest of it will be common plates and a few bricks, with some hinges for the S-foils.

    Now if you're buying the $10 sets you're probably getting like 1-2 mini figures and a tree (or setting apropriate equivalent) and that may look like it's 90% custom molded tree pieces, but when you go for the bigger $60+ sets you get tons of structural pieces.

  54. Re:most lego's are a rip off by operagost · · Score: 1

    Seriously. I didn't like LEGO much as a kit, but I had a Robotix kit, and once I'd built some of the models I started modifying them as I liked. Once I was bored with that I just started designing my own robots. That's the way it works.

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  55. Re:How to describe a manager by PPH · · Score: 1

    FTFY.

    Think of it this way: Your kids are geting a head start at Harvard Business School.

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  56. Re:most lego's are a rip off by tuffy · · Score: 3, Informative

    To be honest, I'm really disappointed with the modern lego sets. When I was a kid, I had the city sets, and for the most part they were buildings that you made from brick-shaped bricks with only a few uniquely molded parts for that set. Today there's barely any blocks. They're all cross-licensed tie-ins with movies or cartoons, and so in order to get the assembled set to look like something from The Lord of the Rings or Star Wars, 75% of the blocks are special molds.

    There's almost no point in it being a lego toy, because you're just assembling a crude model of an x-wing, and the only thing you can make with the set is...an x-wing. Why not just...play with a model x-wing?

    This is completely wrong. Here's the instructions to the latest X-Wing. Flip to the back and count the number of "special molds" yourself. Do you see anything in there that can't be used for anything but an X-Wing?

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  57. Parents responded by... by istartedi · · Score: 1

    Parents responded by waving their hands in a brisk right-to-left motion in front of their eyes. "Hey!" They exclaimed, "Why won't these annoying lecturers just go away".

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  58. Re:most lego's are a rip off by Quirkz · · Score: 2

    If a wooden block can be a car and a stick can be a gun, I'm gonna call shenanigans on this. It's not a limitation of the specialty pieces, but of the imagination.

  59. not trolling, really. well, maybe a little.. by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    Q: What's the most useless lego piece ?

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  60. Re:Relevant Skills by Joce640k · · Score: 1

    Having skill at playing with building blocks is not useful to most modern jobs. I'm sure the children are not great at milking cows either.

    Either of those would make you stand out in a job interview alongside a bunch of people who only know how to swipe.

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  61. Wrong problem by Spiked_Three · · Score: 1

    The problem is that you think the iPad is the problem.

    LEGOs can be used infinite ways, to create all kinds of things from the imagination. Guess what? So can an iPad.

    It is the lazy f'n parents, who take the easiest way out to pacify their over protected brats, and wonder why they cry when they don't get what they want later in life.

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  62. Re:Kids are Retarded, News at 11 by CRCulver · · Score: 1

    Hesiod never said that and that same quotation has been ascribed to many people. Failing to check a citation and perpetuating a spurious quotation is little different from lying.

  63. Re:most lego's are a rip off by Joce640k · · Score: 1

    We are talking about little kids. You tend to get them the Big Blocks instead.

    In what universe?

    For the last two years every toddler-owner I meet is incredibly proud that their 2-year old knows how to swipe (and they keep reminding everybody in sight).

    "Oh, you should see him use the iPhone!".

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  64. Re:most lego's are a rip off by Iniamyen · · Score: 2

    Just because the article is a terrible piece objectively and doesn't link to any hard data doesn't mean the data doesn't exist. There are plenty of data to suggest that tablet use isn't the best for kids' brains. Enough evidence to suggest that ANYTHING else would be better, including (OHMYGAWD) playing with LEGOs.

  65. Minecraft is the new Lego by neo-mkrey · · Score: 1

    Both my kids were heavy into Legos up until about a year ago.

    What happened?

    They discovered Minecraft.
    They are still building (virtual) things and using their imagination and problem solving skills.

    I now save hundreds of dollars a year not buying Legos.

    Win/Win

  66. Re:most lego's are a rip off by TheP4st · · Score: 1

    The reason two year old kids can use an iPad and aren't ready for standard Legos is because the latter requires more skill. TFA claims claims that exposing kids to technology is causing our civilization to spiral down the drain, but provides no evidence whatsoever, other than anecdotes and conjecture.

    While no hyperbole such as civilization spiraling down the drain or even anything close to it TFA say that:

    Children are arriving at nursery school able to "swipe a screen" but lacking the manipulative skills to play with building blocks, teachers have warned. They fear that children are being given tablets to use "as a replacement for contact time with the parent" and say such habits are hindering progress at school.

    While as you write there is little support for what is written beyond anecdotes and conjecture it most definitely is something that deserve attention and scientific studies not people getting their panties in a bundle over imaginary luddites.

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  67. Re:most lego's are a rip off by guytoronto · · Score: 1

    Yes, LEGO can be used in multiple ways, but the markup on formed plastic chunks is insane.

  68. Re:most lego's are a rip off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Actually, TFA doesn't mention LEGO at all, the submitter just decided it was talking about LEGO when it was actually talking about building blocks

  69. Re:most lego's are a rip off by vux984 · · Score: 2

    There's almost no point in it being a lego toy, because you're just assembling a crude model of an x-wing, and the only thing you can make with the set is...an x-wing. Why not just...play with a model x-wing?

    Seriously... watch the lego movie... or hell just look at some of the sets they've released based on the movie.

    I think this one illustrates my point:

    http://static.indigoimages.ca/...

    Take a good look at it. The 'goblet' piece is a gun. The wagon wheels are the engine turbines, the turbine housings are those molded castle tower pieces. The half-barrel is the pilots seat. Torches reworked into a missile launcher. The working catapult?... well they kept that.

    They took a medieval gate and cart and turned it into something akin to a pod-racer, as an official set.

    The lego movie and movie sets simultaneously agrees with all your complaints ... and then proves your conclusion wrong.

    Granted a single small lego set is usually only much good for a particular model or a variation on a theme. But after you've got 5 or 6 lego sets especially if they are from different themes you can build pretty much anything. Medieval space ships, sailing ships out of space lego, Giant transforming robots out of lego city vehicles.

    Honestly there were a bit of a bad spot in the late 90s where the lego wasn't as good, but the current sets and over the last 5-10 years are an absolute joy.

    I recommend any parent with kids becoming lego aged to start with a basic bulk bucket. I think there's a yellow bucket out right now 600 basic bricks for $40 bucks.

    Then you throw in a star wars or batman set or two so the kid has a couple minifigures, droids (my son loves r2d2s), light sabers, etc. And then build out from there.

    The new lego master builder academy sets are BRILLIANT too.

    http://shop.lego.com/en-US/Mas...

    The instruction books alone are nearly with the price of entry.

  70. Re:Kids are Retarded, News at 11 by MRe_nl · · Score: 1

    "Failing to check a citation and perpetuating a spurious quotation is little different from lying".

    -- Socrates

    "I only lied because it was the easiest way to get what I wanted".

    -- Bart Simpson

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  71. Re:not trolling, really. well, maybe a little.. by Immerman · · Score: 1

    Anything weighing more than ten bricks.

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  72. Re:most lego's are a rip off by Lazere · · Score: 1

    Exactly. Take a tub of standard bricks (yes, they still sell those) and dump in 2-3 random licensed sets, the kind with the so-called "specialized" pieces. This is what I would call a pretty good set.

  73. Re:most lego's are a rip off by Kookus · · Score: 2

    My parents had me on technic sets before I hit third grade. Back in the days where a tv couldn't watch your kids that was the best way to keep them occupied for weeks on end. It was either that or puzzles, in which I had the horrific adventure of putting together a 1000+ piece space puzzle... the kind without any nebulae or anything that could give you a reference point. The only thing that was "easy" was the edge pieces. Now that I look back on that, it seems pretty evil, but that was fun for the times.

    I came across these lego sets recently (the hero factory or something ones) and it cost 30 bucks for 300 pieces. Most of it was "pre-assembled" (a head was just a head piece, a shield just a shield piece, an arm was 3 pieces just because they wanted an elbow and a hand) - it was for ages 8-16... That's a goddamn joke.

  74. It's LEGO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Why do you get this wrong? The plural of Lego is Lego, how hard is that?

  75. That's nothing... by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

    ...far too many people can't even spell LEGO.

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  76. he author is clearly not fit by Cammi · · Score: 1

    Legos and tablets are two different thing. The author is clearly not fit to know the difference.

  77. Re:most lego's are a rip off by erroneus · · Score: 1

    Well yes and no. Yes, it's overpriced. But when my son plays with them in ways I don't like (that is, I like to follow the instructions and only sometimes make changes for improved look or structure) he gets many hours more. He builds crazy and silly things but then again, he's 7 so what do you know?

    Sad that kids can't use their hands. I didn't realize it was becoming a problem as I am trying my best to give my son the type of childhood I had. And yes, that includes teaching him how to go camping and fishing and shoot a gun and all of that. Am I a caveman?

  78. Re:not trolling, really. well, maybe a little.. by Hobadee · · Score: 2

    I'm going to go with this part:

    http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItem.asp?P=54092c01

    It can be the front of a plane or something else that looks like the front of a plane.

    The rest of the parts in that set seem pretty useful though:

    http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemInv.asp?S=3182-1

    Is your imagination broken dude? I could use that part for *TONS* of different models! Granted, it's gonna be a cockpit, but it doesn't have to be an airplane cockpit... It could be used on a racecar, submarine, spaceship, crane, whatever! (I think I would use it on a monorail - that would be fun!) You could also face it backwards or sideways for a very unique model! It could probably also prove useful somehow in a GBC module. (http://www.greatballcontraption.com/)

    Yes, there are many specialized parts nowadays, but the trick is finding new and fun ways to use it.

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  79. Re:not trolling, really. well, maybe a little.. by ahem · · Score: 1

    What is this http://www.bricklink.com/ you speak of? Hm....
    // looking

    Oh crap. There goes my afternoon.

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  80. Re:most lego's are a rip off by geekmux · · Score: 1

    $40 for a set you build one time that takes an hour or so

    And now you know the reason patience is considered a virtue, along with imagination and creativity.

    The problem is this generation says fuck you to virtue if it takes more than 17 seconds to do.

    3-hour movie sagas went to 2-hour action-filled testosterone shootouts that went to 5-minute YouTube rants that went to 6-second Vine shitcoms.

    Multi-page handwritten letters in cursive went to typed emails that went to typed Twitter remarks that went to voice-activated chat responses.

    If you look at our most popular products, Patience was banished from society long ago.

  81. Re:not trolling, really. well, maybe a little.. by David_Hart · · Score: 1

    Q: What's the most useless lego piece ?

    I've always found the single square pieces to be the most useless and the easiest to lose. I could build a detailed model as a kid and the parts that always were prone to falling apart used the single square. Lego always included them in kits where a 1x3 or 1x4 would work better. I understand that they did it to provide a greater variety of pieces for building unique designs but I never ended up using them for anything....

  82. Re:Kids are Retarded, News at 11 by geekmux · · Score: 1

    Children today are retarded - physically, mentally, and emotionally, and they come from retarded parents.

    Well now, that's quite possibly one of the most retarded mentalities to take with this. You wouldn't happen to be a parent, would you?

    Realize the reason a lot of "retarded" parents are still having kids these days. Because the state pays them to do so.

    And you want to sit back and call the individual the retard in this case...as if the system hasn't been mentally robbed of all logic for decades now.

  83. Re:most lego's are a rip off by Hillgiant · · Score: 1

    Do you have any idea how close a tolerance you must have in order to have millions of bricks and have any pair of them mate cleanly, easily, and with sufficient clutch to not immediately fall off? And have multiple "legal" connection locations on each brick? And permit multiple bricks attach with equal spacing and equivalent strength?

    We are talking a process capability that rivals, if not vastly exceeds, most aerospace manufacturers. No disrespect to the rocket science guys, but we are talking tight tolerances on small parts.

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  84. Re:most lego's are a rip off by Darinbob · · Score: 1

    The kits that used to be just a random collection of bricks are a lot harder to find today. Head over to Toys-R-Us and almost all of it (other than big blox things for toddlers) are specialized kits. Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, Star Wars, etc. The lego kits we had in the 70s or 80s just aren't common at local stores.

  85. Re:most lego's are a rip off by Globe199 · · Score: 1

    My mother-in-law is the same way. We bought our kid a bunch of Legos for christmas a couple years ago. MIL comment? "Oh, good thing I didn't get her Legos then!"

    Blah.

  86. crying over spilled milk by tatman · · Score: 1

    Society is changing. Technology is changing. Therefore, it seems a logic conclusion that how we learn and what we learn, from the onset, changes. I feel the people complaining (educators and teachers association) that kids aren't learning how to play with blocks are more concerned about preserving their existing jobs rather than adjusting to a changing world.

    That doesn't mean I think learning to play with blocks, lincoln logs, or lego is wrong or outdated. I think the complaining by the teachers association is just that...complaining.

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  87. Re:most lego's are a rip off by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 1

    You are clearly doing it wrong. You build the set, then you tear it apart and build the other projects on the back of the box that don't have instructions, then you tear it apart and build a Mech, then you tear it apart and build a space ship, then you tear it apart, throw it in with your other legos, stir, and then build some random thing. Then you do it again.

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  88. Re:Kids are Retarded, News at 11 by sexconker · · Score: 1

    "Children today are retarded - physically, mentally, and emotionally, and they come from retarded parents."
    False, by every measure.

    True, by every measure.

    Look at rates of life-long diseases - from obesity to asthma to peanut allergies - and general fitness in children . After vaccinations for polio, mmr, etc. we should be raising the most fit generations of kids ever, yet here we are with kids who can't do a single pull up to pass the presidential fitness test because they spent their early childhood eating shit and staying inside.

    Look at the rates of kids who have behavioral disorders - autism, add/adhd, anxiety, etc. An ever-increasing number of kids are simply unable to cope with the outside world, or are only able to do so while on mind-numbing drugs (which create all sorts of other problems).

    Look at the pathetic math and language test scores and real-world abilities. Look at the pathetic life skills high school and college graduates end up with - the current generation of kids can't change a light bulb let alone a tire, can't manage a budget, can't file their taxes, and have mommy go to their fucking job interviews with them.

  89. Re:most lego's are a rip off by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 4, Informative

    We are talking about little kids. You tend to get them the Big Blocks instead.

    ... because little kids don't have the dexterity to use regular Legos. The reason two year old kids can use an iPad and aren't ready for standard Legos is because the latter requires more skill.

    How did we go from building blocks for 2-year old kids to standard lego blocks? You know there is a difference, do you? If not, please STFU. Just to help you and those who sadly do not know the difference:

    TFA claims claims that exposing kids to technology is causing our civilization to spiral down the drain,

    TFA is not claiming that. You are claiming that it does, though.

    but provides no evidence whatsoever, other than anecdotes and conjecture.

    Anecdotes and conjecture are valid form of preliminary evidence with which to request further scrutiny of something.

    Also, from personal anecdote (feel free to dismiss because ZOMFG anecdote!) kids at that early stage require specific stimulus to develop hand fine grained motor skills. Playing with sand, clay or building blocks (not standard lego blocks, but building blocks for toddlers) help do that.

    Going into the (ZOMG!) anecdote: One of my nephews had a learning disability co-related to not developing hand fine motor skills, some type of proprioception problem related to ADHD/Asperger/Autism. He simply could not hold a pen without it falling off his fingers. Good fortune it was detected on time, and was put on specific corrective therapy to develop not just finger strength but the necessary coordination to do what he needed to do with his hands during that state of his body/mind development.

    Feel free to dismiss this as you wish. Whatever gets your intellectual kicks.

    With that said, I'm not against kids using technology. I was delightfully fascinated when I saw my older daughter (now 5) using my smart phone at the age of 2, and I'm fascinated how my youngest one (1.5 year old) fiddled her way into unlocking my phone (despite it being locked with a swipe-shape lock.)

    But I keep my daughters away from technology if that precludes them from the other type of tactile-proprioceptive activities that have been developed over time to assist in their development: finger painting, puzzles, blocks, sculpting with silly putty, running around.

    All those things are fun, but they are not just for fun. They have an evolutionary purpose.

    There is a reason why kids play with soil instinctively. It is not just curiosity. It is the child mind and body instinctively seeking activities that trigger learning and development.

  90. Re:not trolling, really. well, maybe a little.. by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 1

    already see how I could use that piece as the cockpit for a giant robot, and on a sufficiently large build it could be part of a giant mech's jetpack. Sure, its the front of a plane, but if you get novel with it, it can be bunches of "Not exactly a plane"

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  91. Re:Relevant Skills by KamikazeSquid · · Score: 1

    I'm pretty sure that the biggest reason for our nation's poor health is the food that we eat, not our activity levels. If everybody ate reasonable portions of whole, organic food, then they wouldn't be overweight, regardless of their activity level.

  92. Re:not trolling, really. well, maybe a little.. by radarskiy · · Score: 2

    Ship's prow (upside down)
    Several hinged for a claw.
    Aerodynamic fairing around the parts of a vehicle that fits into the front of another vehicle to lock it into the assembly (c.f. the Phoenix from Battle of the Planets)
    Scoops on a water wheel, or teeth on a rotary digger

    So there's four off the top of my head in a couple of minutes without any brinks in reach to doodle with.

    Stop trying to blame other people for your lack of creativity.

  93. Re:Relevant Skills by Globe199 · · Score: 1

    Maybe your ability to pack the car efficiently is because you "have packed a car for a road trip countless times in [your] life"

  94. No! by frisket · · Score: 1

    ...excessive use of technology damages concentration and causes behavioural problems such as irritability and a lack of control.

    NO IT FUCKING DOESN'T <scream/>

  95. Re:not trolling, really. well, maybe a little.. by radarskiy · · Score: 2

    Offset vertical joints for a stronger structure (look at actual bricklaying)
    Shims to close a gap due to rotation of peg axis.
    Spot color

  96. Re:most lego's are a rip off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    LEGO can be used in multiple way

    They can also be used to slow down bare-foot pursuers!

  97. Re:most lego's are a rip off by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 1

    Thats pretty much what I had. I think most of my initial legos came from McDonalds, back when happy meal toys where small lego sets. Then I got a little space flier thing for christmas, and after that I got a set that made a front end loader. (my sister got legos those years also) After that it was a space shuttle kit, and an ice planet mining rig kit, and they where all in a bucket together, and thats how you played legos. Kit bash them into giant robots, boats, space ships, anything, It sort of depended on what movie we had seen recently (Robot Jox resulted in a LOT of giant robots piloted by a minifig).

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  98. Re:most lego's are a rip off by radarskiy · · Score: 1

    The phrase you are looking for is "The Pumping Lemma".

  99. Re:Rip off? by quitte · · Score: 1

    that's the machine tolerances according to the wikipedia article. The blocks tolerances are not the same as machine tolerances.

  100. Re:most lego's are a rip off by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 1

    Precisely. And on top of that, the few "X wing" parts that are custom made for the set can easily be used for any number of things, especially if you want to build any sort of giant robot of space ship. (which is what legos are for right?)

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  101. Re:most lego's are a rip off by v1 · · Score: 1

    I have NO idea how many lego sets I had. IMHO the "junk" of the sets were the windows, people, wheels, the stupid closed minded stuff. I preferred the raw blocks, mainly the 2x4 and the longer ones that were in such short supply. I mad some amazing things, including a box with a door locked by three tumblers, that required its lego key to open. (if it had been glued together, naturally)

    I also had dominos and blocks, two capsula sets (adding a switch, motor, and wires to the mix), an old and a new girder n panel set (kinda meh), tinker toys (also meh), and later a number of assemblable toys like a little battery powered toy boat I had to wind the motor (dc windings) on, a ball clock, crystal radio, and by age 10 two electronic design experimenter (150 and 200 in 1's). I did a LOT of building when I was growing up. (though a good deal of it started going toward electronics by the time I was a teen)

    Kids need a shot at that sort of play when they're growing up. It's not going to be for everyone, but this whole culture of "stick an ipad in his hands" by default is just a shame. Ikea is going to go out of business by the next generation, nobody will be able to assemble any of their furniture!

    I was just talking with a friend of mine, father of my godson, about the possibility of getting him into arduino. Wow, he's gonna be NINE this December, and he doesn't have anywhere near the head-start I did. I did manage to inspire him with a variety of art supplies which he loves, and got him several of those assemblable bots from radio shack last year, trying to get him a good start and taste of things that he finds he has an aptitude for. It's not just building things, kids need to get exposure to a variety of things as early as possible, so they get their feet wet with essential flexible skills like buidling, as well as getting a taste of variety to see what they really enjoy.

    But being able to make things, that's such a basic, universal skill. It's one that every kid should get heavy exposure to, in a format they can enjoy excelling in.

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  102. Re:Relevant Skills by CODiNE · · Score: 1

    Tying shoes?
    There IS an app for that. Several actually.

    You just know that's how those kids will learn it.

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  103. Re:most lego's are a rip off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    My 2yo son can assemble Legos just fine. If you sit down with a 2yo like ten times and you put the blocks together he'll figure out how to do it too. The problem is not the tablets (my son plays with those too and he can also swipe), the problem is that some parents don't sit down with their kids so the kids have no one to learn "difficult" things from.

  104. RE: most lego's are a rip off by xednieht · · Score: 1

    So are kids. One night of pleasure costs you 18 years (if you're lucky) and about $500K.

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  105. Re:Relevant Skills by sjames · · Score: 1

    The problem here is that manual dexterity is still quite important and the early years are the most important for developing it. It would be a shame if in 20 years we start seeing screwdriver for dummies books.

  106. A single data-point by hamster_nz · · Score: 1

    Due to a genetic condition my 7 y.o. son has severe motor skills issues (unable to stand, or hold a paint brush or pencil), He also has profound intellectual disabilities, and is unable to speak. He can however get around his iPad like the best of them - browsing Elmo songs on his youTube favorites, watching home videos, playing "Old MacDonald" and ordering his favourite snacks for morning tea using assisted communication apps. The benefits of this technology for him and others with special needs amazing!

    However, even though he can't use a fork or knife, he can still stack MegaBlocks and Duplo... but only because we invest our time by playing with him and supporting him..

  107. Re:Retarded fat thick overweight fat pillock by mark-t · · Score: 1

    The all-caps usage is acceptable... but in addition to being the company name, Lego (or LEGO) is a word that refers to any number of individual pieces, Adding an s on the end to pluralize it is about as correct as putting an 's' after words like sheep.

  108. Lego is high tech by js_sebastian · · Score: 1

    It also fails to acknowledge that LEGO is itself technology -- relatively modern, high technology in the grand scheme of humanity

    It actually is... saw a documentaries on their factories and design process, it's pretty high tech. Designer scults a model out of clay, 3-D scans it, refines it on the computer. Then they build a custom metal piece into which plastic will be poured to create the pieces (don't know how that part works but each one costs some 100k) and have machines that pump out large numbers of pieces with fairly demanding tolerances (so the pieces will hold together tightly but not jam), which go into conveyor belts that automatically sort the right number and type of pieces into the different sets, etc...

  109. Re:Relevant Skills by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

    It's both. When I ran the stunt show I was consuming around 3K calories a day. Now that I don't, I don't. Even if you're consuming 2K a day, if you don't leave you're chair, you will put on weight. If you reduce your intake, you may not be overweight, but you'll certainly be weak. Just as bad.

  110. Re:Relevant Skills by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

    The car packing came after the Legos would be my bet.

  111. Not so specialized anymore by js_sebastian · · Score: 1

    Those same pieces can be used to build what ever you can imagine.

    No so easily nowadays. Lego comes with huge numbers of very specialized pieces which are taylor made for that particular model. You can get the basic bricks but most Lego today is aimed at building one model and then playing with it rather than getting a pile of bricks and letting your imagination run wild.

    Not quite true. This was a trend at lego some years back, back when the company was in a bit of a slump. More recently, they try to limit the number of new custom pieces designed for each set. Quite apart from re-play and creative value, each new part requires an expensive and costly to maintain custom mold (we're talking some 100k euros if I recall correctly). In a documentary I saw, the lego designer was saying that for the police station she was developing she was not using any custom parts (that were not already in use in past sets) so she was able to instead add a custom police-dog figure.

  112. Re:most lego's are a rip off by jader3rd · · Score: 1

    or provide any meaningful distinction between "good" technologies like verbal language and "bad" technologies like iPads.

    Definition: Technology: Anything that was invented after I was born.

  113. Re:not trolling, really. well, maybe a little.. by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

    Oh crap. There goes my afternoon.

    Also all of your disposable income.

  114. there's an app for that by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    Why dirty your hands with Legos when there's an app for that?

  115. Re:Relevant Skills by jader3rd · · Score: 1

    If you can't get a couple of blocks to snap together, how are you going to deal with tying your shoes?

    Fair point. Children have never had an issue learning how to tie shoes.

  116. Re:most lego's are a rip off by Oligonicella · · Score: 4, Informative

    Yep. I really pissed off my relatives years ago when my daughter and I went to Christmas at their house. I brought every kid two things, a flashlight for reading in bed and a box of clay. The kids and I sat around for hours playing with the clay while the sparkly toys just sat there.

  117. Re:not trolling, really. well, maybe a little.. by Golddess · · Score: 1

    You could always pull out the Knife of Exact Zero and make some cuts to the piece.

    By the way, what's a wedge shaped wing ramp?

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  118. Re:"Building blocks" does not mean Legos by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

    If a kid can't grasp and stack those wooden blocks ...

    Where is the data that says kids can no longer grasp and stack wooden blocks, and that this hypothetically declining ability is in any way correlated with tablet use?

    then mommy really is using the screen to avoid spending time with their kid.

    Without data, this is pure conjecture. Why is using a tablet to avoid spending time with your kid any worse than using a TV to avoid spending time with your kid, like they did in the good old days?

  119. Re:its called lazy ass parenting. by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

    Electronics are a bad idea to use as a substitute for interaction in childhood, any rational adult knows that to be a fact.

    s/electronics/TV

    s/TV/Radio

    s/Radio/Phonograph

    s/Phonograph/Novellas

    s/Novellas/reading

    s/reading/education

    How far back do you want to go?

  120. Re:most lego's are a rip off by hibiki_r · · Score: 1

    And then there's the Mixels. 5 bucks MSRP, using a subset of blocks that make them very easy to combine with each other. You even get suggestions on how to combine them from the website.

  121. Re:most lego's are a rip off by Jorgensen · · Score: 1

    Megablocks are not LEGOs. They are made by a different company, and "happen to" be sort-of compatible with proper LEGOs. If you have ever tried comparing them, you'd be sure to find that Megablocks do not stick together as well as LEGOs - I believe that LEGOs are produced to much finer tolerances than Megablocks.

    Disclaimer: I am Danish, and (naturally?) a LEGO fan. To me, Megablocks and LEGOs are completely different. Just like water and Carlsberg are different (yes: I was bottle fed as a baby. Live with it)

  122. Re:Relevant Skills by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

    The issue is not the building blocks themselves, but the serious lack of coordination skills on the part of the children.

    If you can't get a couple of blocks to snap together, how are you going to deal with tying your shoes?

    I spent the better part of my kids' preschool years teaching them things like how to tie shoes, using a laceboard. Only problem is, they've never owned a pair of shoes that they've had to lace up. Shoes, ski bindings, ice skates/rollerblades etc... they all come without laces now. I doubt my kids remember how to lace/tie a shoe these days -- eventually they'll probably have to learn again, but maybe not. Laces might just die out except as an oddity; kind of like they have with dresses, pants, and other clothing.

    For that matter, most people don't know how to use cuff links anymore either.

    And it's not just lack of coordination; these kids know how to swipe a touch screen to pixel accuracy, so their small motor skills are definitely there; it's their tension/pressure skills that are lacking. As such, if they ever found a pair of laceup shoes, they'd probably have no difficulty tying them as instructed by their tablet's "101 knots" app.

  123. Re:most lego's are a rip off by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

    The kits that used to be just a random collection of bricks are a lot harder to find today. Head over to Toys-R-Us and almost all of it (other than big blox things for toddlers) are specialized kits. Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, Star Wars, etc. The lego kits we had in the 70s or 80s just aren't common at local stores.

    If you're buying Lego from Toys-R-Us, you're doing it wrong.

    Let me introduce you to http://vip.lego.com/ -- you can even order the pieces on your tablet.

    The older lego kits are still there. You can get Educational Lego (which is the basic bricks), Space Lego is now Star Wars Lego (same stuff, just rebranded with some star wars specific pieces added), medieval Lego still exists, although they've changed the coats of arms, and Lego City still exists and is growing in parts selection.

    And then, of course, there's http://www.bricklink.com/ and http://rebrickable.com/.

    After that, find your local Lego store, and get your missing pieces by hitting the pick-a-brick wall from time to time to get the pieces when they come available at a discount (you fill a slurpee-sized cup with whatever you want for a fixed price).

  124. Re:most lego's are a rip off by narcc · · Score: 1

    I thought that was banned in the Geneva Conventions.

  125. Re:most lego's are a rip off by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

    See previous comments; the LEGO piece catalog stabilized around a decade ago. All they do now is stencil new artwork on them for "themes".

  126. Re:most lego's are a rip off by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

    Also, LEGO can be used for building more than just models -- it can be used to create murals, signs, pencil holders, support equipment for other toys, etc. -- by the way, ornamentation on landscapes is what those little 1x1 bricks are really useful for; they add texture and color.

  127. Re:most lego's are a rip off by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

    It still bugs me that there are a few places where they could have designed geometries that would be "legal" connection locations, but didn't -- like the interior of modern wheel hubs, the slots in modern antenna bases, etc. But the tolerances are quite simply amazing... just look at Megablocks for someone who tried to duplicate it and didn't quite get there.

  128. Re:its called lazy ass parenting. by Murdoch5 · · Score: 1

    Fair enough, I was assuming a boundary towards electronics such as tablets and smart phones, but my point still holds. If your kids can't build a wicked lego castle ( or similar kind of idea ) but can play angry birds then maybe you need to look at how you're parenting.

  129. Re:its called lazy ass parenting. by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

    With that I'll agree. I still remember when my then 3-year-old was visiting a lego store, and surprised the local builder with his technique for attaching plates at angles to build complex shapes -- the guy (whose job it was to build things out of lego) had never seen that before. That's not to say that learning about how modified physics models affect trajectory isn't useful, but it's always good to get a grip on the physics model we interact with ourselves first.

  130. Re:Relevant Skills by ninlilizi · · Score: 1

    It also invovles a similar set of mechanical motions to open as a swipe to unlock interface.

  131. LEGO, not LEGOs. by mattack2 · · Score: 3, Informative

    It is the same singular or plural.

  132. Re:most lego's are a rip off by mattack2 · · Score: 1

    Megablocks are not LEGOs. They are made by a different company, and "happen to" be sort-of compatible with proper LEGOs. If you have ever tried comparing them, you'd be sure to find that Megablocks do not stick together as well as LEGOs - I believe that LEGOs are produced to much finer tolerances than Megablocks.

    In a podcast I listened to recently, I'm pretty sure it was one of the Planet Money ones from within the past year or two (I started with the very beginning of their feed several weeks ago and am close to catching up), they talked about how the LEGO molds have markings (possibly numbers, I forget that exact detail) so you can tell in EXACTLY which mold and which location a particular piece came from, so that if it didn't come out properly, you can find/fix the mold.

  133. Re:most lego's are a rip off by mattack2 · · Score: 1

    $40 for a set you build one time that takes an hour or so

    BTW, you realize that even though the kit may be for a specific Star Wars vehicle, you can still use the various parts to create whatever you want?

    Also, while I too somewhat bemoan the "everything's a kit, not just a bunch of plain LEGO" (though I know you can still buy plain LEGO), from the same podcast I mention another response (likely a Planet Money podcast), licensed properties basically saved LEGO, because cheaper plastic bricks were undercutting them (even though theirs do apparently actually stick together better, as someone else mentioned).

  134. Re:most lego's are a rip off by mattack2 · · Score: 1

    This is the Planet Money story about LEGO.
    http://www.npr.org/blogs/money...

  135. Re:most lego's are a rip off by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    As opposed to $40 for an action figure that requires no building at all and often has arguably less features / playability than LEGO?

  136. Some random thoughts... by madmarcel · · Score: 1

    A tablet offers 'instant' gratification with a low learning curve and only requires minimal dexterity. Bored with that app? Here's another.

    LEGO requires patience, spatial reasoning and planning, imagination and dexterity. Bored with those blocks, well, you're going to have to wait until your
    next birthday. Can't fit the blocks together? You're going to have to keep trying until you get the hang of it. Can't find that yellow block you need to finish your duck? You'll have to keep digging around in the big pile until you find it.

    You can see why kids spend more time on tablets right? It's laziness.It's easier. Effortless. Also, lazy parenting. Especially when kids are small they need a bit of help from mum and/or dad with LEGO and building blocks. Don't need much help with a tablet...

    I'm lucky, both my kids love LEGO, but I still have to monitor how much time they spend on the tablet.
    My youngest son is nearly 2yrs old and loves the CITY LEGO trucks, and watching his dexterity improve just from playing with those and pulling them to bits is nothing short of amazing.

    Also, what they fail to mention here is that building blocks are not for all kids. Some kids just don't get it. Just not interested. And that's got nothing to do with modern technology because I saw that lack of interest in some kids more than 20 years ago.

    Last but not least, there's been a big fuss in the media here (NZ) about kids going to school and lacking the dexterity to hold a pencil, being unable to recognize their own written name, etc. From memory technology got the blame as well. Not enough time spend interacting with mom and dad.

  137. Re:most lego's are a rip off by Bonobo_Unknown · · Score: 1

    >you build one time that takes an hour or so What madness is this?? You build the set one time following the instructions because that's what's on the box. Then you destroy it and use its parts in whatever else fantasy mashup constructions you want. That's the true genius of Lego, and it's capacity to educate and inspire kids - giving them a system in which they can build their own ideas.

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  138. Re:most lego's are a rip off by fox171171 · · Score: 1

    "Oh, you should see him use the iPhone!".

    He uses an iPhone?! I'm sorry to hear that, I didn't realize he had brain damage.

  139. Re:most lego's are a rip off by fox171171 · · Score: 1

    My parents had me on technic sets before I hit third grade.

    I gave my nephew his first Technic set for his 4th birthday. He looked and the box and it said "8+", and he said "You know, I'm only four!" He wasn't long figuring out how to build with it though.

  140. LEGO is Good for brain by __aaiqre9164 · · Score: 1

    LEGO is very good for your kids brain. The more they play the more creative they are. Gadget now really spoil the children. It does more harm to them.So, don't let our kids to spend most of their time with gadget.

  141. Nothing new by matria · · Score: 1

    Nearly 40 years ago one of my kids' Kindergarten teachers told me she was getting more and more kids in her classes that didn't know how to hold a pencil or how to use a crayon, and couldn't handle a simple over-sized 6-piece puzzle. Also more and more of the boys were just running out the door to pee in the yard instead of using the bathroom.

  142. Re:most lego's are a rip off by vux984 · · Score: 1

    The difference being the incredibly successful and well reviewed lego movie is backing the lego movie sets.

    I'm not sure you can or should rely on kids not being interested in them the way perhaps the themes you mentioned. Both my kids want multiple Lego movie sets...

  143. Re:most lego's are a rip off by tsa · · Score: 1

    Very good point. And while we're ranting about modern society, let's expand your point a bit. Together with patience, thinking also went out the door for most people. Everybody bases their opinions on what they 'feel' these days, without bothering to think their feelings through or looking at things from different angles. Even scientific facts are considered just opinions by many. It's hard to get young people to think about certain things, especially when those things are outside their world and the things they are interested in. And when they finally get their brains in gear they are distracted by their phones beeping all the time announcing new tweets and Whatsapp messages and whatnot.

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  144. Re:most lego's are a rip off by tsa · · Score: 1

    You forgot to mention that 40 years after manufacturing the pieces still do their job just as well as when they just came out of the box. That is truly amazing.

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  145. Re:most lego's are a rip off by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 2

    Megablocks are not LEGOs... proper LEGOs... LEGOs... LEGOs... LEGOs...

    Disclaimer: I am Danish

    And you don't use LEGO as a mass noun? For shame!

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  146. Re:most lego's are a rip off by some+old+guy · · Score: 1

    Yes, today's children have the hipster-given right to grow up as gelatinous blobs, incapable of any physical activity beyond the minimum required to work an iPad.

    Ignorant ass hat.

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  147. Re:not trolling, really. well, maybe a little.. by Ginger+Unicorn · · Score: 1

    what do you mean by spot colour?

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  148. Re:Relevant Skills by a2wflc · · Score: 2

    Lego skills are very useful for engineering. I've been in software development 30+ years and still apply skills I learned from lego, lincoln logs, and erector sets in the 60s and 70s. You can use these sets to build almost identical looking structures in many ways . Some will fall over when you barely touch them. Some can be rolled and even tossed a short distance without falling apart. Software is the same. You can put classes together to make a robust & stable system, or use similar classes to make a similar looking fragile system.

    An understanding of structural stability is the biggest lack I've seen in developers the last 10 years. Non-software engineers are generally better than software engineers right out of school because the physical engineers got some understanding of structures in school. You can't test stability in. You need to be aware of it in all phases - design, throughout implementation, and finding root causes when there are problems rather than just fixing the bug (which needs to be fixed but may or may not be the root cause).

  149. Smaller Blocks by Sanians · · Score: 1

    Mega-Block is a parallel to Minecraft. The size of the blocks irritates me. I've seen some more recent games in development that allow multiple sizes of blocks. Those will be the better system. Minecraft is "fine," but the ball has been dropped and is being picked up slowly by other indie developers.

    Being one of those "indie developers," I feel the need to spam about my own effort at smaller blocks, Multiplayer Map Editor. Just prepare yourself to be unimpressed. The game has existed for years yet basically has only one active player. ...and to be honest, I have no idea how he keeps himself amused. I feel like I'm punishing myself every time I start it up just to see if anything is happening.

    ...but, it does work in Linux. I think that counts for something around here, although that something may be immediately wiped away by its closed-source nature.

    More to the point of the discussion, those smaller blocks aren't all you'd imagine they are. In my experience with this game, if I were to make suggestions to someone thinking of writing a similar game, I'd suggest they stick with the standard size, or at most cut it in half. I'm not sure I'd do the same if I were to start over with the game, but I'd definitely have to consider taking my own advice on the issue as it would be kind of silly to ignore what I learned the first time.

    First of all, essentially no one actually wants smaller blocks. Even those who think they want smaller blocks don't want smaller blocks. If you actually want the ability to add more detail, what you're really looking for is something like Blender which, despite the steep learning curve, is perfectly usable if you're willing to spend a few weeks watching these tutorial videos. My nephew used to play my game, and liked it since it was detailed enough that he could build complex objects like tanks, and he'd actually look up measurements on the internet to make them as realistic as he could. Then I taught him how to use Blender. Building with blocks just isn't good enough for him anymore. I don't blame him since I also never built anything in my game after I learned to use Blender. Using blender is simply more rewarding when you look at what you get vs. the time you put into it.

    So your players consist entirely of people who don't want to learn Blender. ...but that isn't all that they don't want to do. They're also not fond of measuring anything. So their ceiling heights are entirely random because you can't just eye-ball 24 blocks, you have to use the measuring info box that the cuboid tool provides, but first you have to know that ceilings should be 24 blocks tall. So how do you know that? Well, I provided a tiny example house, with proper measurements for ceiling height, door height, door width, chair height, etc., but no one takes the hints. They just build whatever they want. Then it looks awful and they lose interest and they go back to playing Minecraft. ...but again, I can't blame them. I use the measuring tools and what I build looks awful too. I tried building a full-size house and only got half way through before deciding I really didn't give a shit.

    The only time I really built anything that looked interesting was early in the game's development when I needed a properly-sized house to verify that everything was sane (you can't really judge your speed or height above ground when you're looking at a flat surface and nothing else) and so I found blueprints for a house on the internet and drew a grid over them at the scale of the blocks in the game. That turned out nice and was rather impressive. It's been all downhill since then, particularly because I've never since found a freely available blueprint for a house on the internet.

    The performance implications of smaller blocks also cannot be i

    1. Re:Smaller Blocks by C0R1D4N · · Score: 1

      Sony is taking a crack at the Minecraft market with Everquest Landmark as well. None of those games really appeal to me, but compared to Minecraft Landmark is certainly prettier.

  150. I bought some of those sets a few years ago... by Sanians · · Score: 1

    ...which is why I know what to look for on the box. The web site doesn't mention what blocks you get, but some kind person listed them in their review:

    This is what you get for the money.. 132 1x1, 224 1x2 (that is 356 of the 650 pieces) 136 2x2, 36 1x3, 36 2x3, 26 1x4, 39 2x4, 10 1x6, 3 2x6, 6 1x8, and 2 2x8. Nice mix of colors. White, blue, red, and yellow were the only colors with pieces larger than 2x4. Wish LEGO would sell more larger pieces in their sets.

    So you pay $30 for a set and you can probably throw away 100 of the pieces because you'll never find a use for that many 1x1 blocks. just imagine what you end up with if you buy multiple sets because for some reason you need more than 39 pieces of 2x4. Buy ten sets so that you have a respectable collection of 390 pieces of 2x4 and you've now got 1,320 1x1 blocks. What the hell are you going to do with all of them? Maybe you can melt them down and turn them into the 165 pieces of 2x4 they should have been to begin with. ...or, no, most likely you'll end up using them as kitty litter.

    Then there's all the 1x2 in the set. You can build a wall with the 1x2 that is almost three times the size of a wall built with the 2x4 included in the set, which explains why I remember suddenly developing a fondness for walls built from 1x2 after I bought my sets.

    Last time I looked it was rather easy to purchase exactly the blocks you want, and there didn't seem to be any mark-up for the custom sets vs. an off-the-shelf set. I guess their machines that put the sets together have access to all of the blocks and so a custom set isn't a big deal. So if anyone is going to buy Lego, I'd recommend they go that route since, while it is still expensive, at least you'll only pay for what you can actually use.

  151. Dunno about lego... by Highland+Deck+Box · · Score: 1

    But I can barely use a pen any more due to spending all my time at a keyboard. When I find myself in the rare situation of having to write things out manually, my hand is cramping after a page.

  152. Re:Relevant Skills by X0563511 · · Score: 1

    Please define "organic food."

    All food is organic, because our metabolism is organic chemistry.

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  153. Its a balancing act. by Oroka · · Score: 1

    I have 2 boys, 3 (in june) and 7. They both have tablets but only for boring moments or long trips in the car. They both enjoy the 80lbs of lego we have, but now that the good weather is returning, my 7yo is gone outside all day, and my 3yo is out for at least a hour. I just bought my 3yo his first bike last night, he will get it for easter. Parents cant use TV and various devices to solely entertain their kids. My not quite 3yo knows his ABCs and can count to 15... I do credit that to educational games and videos (though we do encourage the development by singing with him too). I have honestly been considering getting my 7yo a very limited function cell phone, for kind of a new age yelling though the neighbourhood looking for your kid. My finacee is very nervous about letting our first out of her sight It has its benefits and pitfalls.

  154. The problem is parenting by greywire · · Score: 1

    This is no different than people saying TV is bad and is ruining kids (which is true to some extent if you let your kid sit in front of a TV all day) which is nothing new.

    The problem is parenting.

    If you let your kid spend all his time (insert "watching TV" or "using a tablet" or "playing video games" or "reading comic books" or etc etc) then you're going to have a problem.

    Same thing if you let him only eat his favorite food ("mac and cheese" or "drink sodas" or etc. etc..)

    Everything is about balance and variety.

    My kids get a little bit of game time on the iPad, and afterwards they frequently act like a drug addict who can't get another fix. And so we explain to them, a little bit is fun, but now its time to do something else. Shortly later, they are playing lego, or kinex, or drawing, or experimenting with random crap they found around the house, or gardening, or running with the dogs, or... and with just a little guidance and interaction from mom and dad they will do most of this on their own.

    The problem is not , the problem is lack of parenting.

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  155. the basic blocks are still basic by ObiWanKenblowme · · Score: 1

    If you actually looked at the kits, you'd see that yes, there are some specialized pieces, but the majority of the licensed kits are made with the same basic bricks as every other Lego kit.

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  156. Ridiculous by s0nicfreak · · Score: 1

    Kids ENTERING nursery school may not have been exposed to building blocks at home. Not because parents are getting them an ipad INSTEAD but because just not every household has blocks. I didn't have building blocks at home when I was a toddler. I didn't have an ipad either, as the ipad was released more than 20 years after I entered school.

    You can't expect a kid to be able to use something the first time they encounter it. But of course they can use a tablet if they have already figured out how to use it or something similar. Could you use a bandsaw the first time you entered a hardware store or shop class? Was your lack of ability to do that based on the fact that you used a computer?

    And of course once kids know there is something fun they could be doing it's hard to keep them sitting down doing something boring instead. It's like letting someone have sex for the first time and then saying "Now you have to sit here and listen to church sermons all day instead of having sex. Sex is still out there, but you can't do it." and then being surprised when the person would rather be having sex than sitting there listening to church sermons.

    Nursery school and kindergarden use to mean playing for most of the day. Even elementary school students use to get a few hours a day to play. Now we force toddlers to sit inside all day, force kindergarteners to sit still all day in school and then do homework at home. We replace recess with cramming for standardized tests. The problem is not technology, it is lack of letting kids run around and be kids for a few hours every day. Even adults that are forced to work constantly get irritability and lack of control - why are we expecting kids to be any different? Why are we expecting kids to instinctively know how to play with things just because we already learned to play with them? This just in: kids are humans.

  157. Re:Retarded fat thick overweight fat pillock by mark-t · · Score: 1

    As I said, it's no more correct using an 's' to pluralize LEGO than it is to pluralize words like sheep... other examples of such words are deer, moose, swine, and aircraft. Putting an s on the end is gramatically incorrect, the word is both singular *and* plural. (most correcty, in fact, LEGO, when not being used to refer to the company itself, is actually a mass noun, and is comparable to words like 'snow', where the notion of "pluralizing" it doesn't even make any sense).

  158. Re:not trolling, really. well, maybe a little.. by radarskiy · · Score: 1

    Making a small area a different color. For example, a transparent 1x1 plate on the side of a 1x1 block with a peg on the side is commonly used to model a headlight on a car.

  159. Re:Retarded fat thick overweight fat pillock by mark-t · · Score: 1

    ... Leaving aside the irony, of course, that the above post itself is rather full of gramatical mistakes (most notably, a spelling error, and inappropriate usage of commas), I'm still correct about the issue of whether or not it is acceptable to use 's' to pluralize lego. (accidentall hit the submit button instead of preview)

  160. Not Just Legos by jespada · · Score: 1

    I'm a competitive fencer and coach fencing. One of the issues we have to deal with is that all too many children and teens do not have the physical dexterity/agility that one should expect. As a result we spend a lot of time playing games whose sole purpose is to get the student to be aware of their own bodies. They can't run, throw, or perform many physical activities at a level you would expect of children at their ages. They quite often do have very agile thumbs and hand eye coordination suitable for playing playing electronic games. I haven't seen any studies on the matter but suspect that this will follow into later life. If you don't develop physical skills as a child will you be able to catch up in later life? Way too much computer game time and home schooling are my two biggest concerns with current pedagogy practices.

  161. Re:most lego's are a rip off by uninformedLuddite · · Score: 1

    My first big purchase as a kid was a technical Lego set. It was the car with the working gearbox that you built yourself. Modern Lego looks like it was designed for the special ed crowd.

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  162. Re:most lego's are a rip off by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    You need to stop using glue.

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