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Match.com, Mensa Create Dating Site For Geniuses
mpicpp writes in with news about a new dating opportunity for Mensa members. It takes a special person to join Mensa. For one, the elite society only takes individuals with IQ scores in the 98th percentile, meaning just 1 in 50 Americans is eligible. This exclusivity — some might say snobbery — is part of Mensa's lore. Early Mensans in Britain walked around with yellow buttons, organizational publications once referred to non-Mensa members as "Densans," and last year, a top Mensa member and tester called anyone with an IQ of 60 a "carrot." In short, you don't always join Mensa because you think you're smart. You join to be set apart from most people, who are, as one member put it: "mundane." But a new partnership between American Mensa and online dating giant Match.com offers a new, enticing reason to join the society of geniuses: true love. Beginning this week, members of the brainiac group can connect through a separate, exclusive dating service called Mensa Match. In addition, Match.com members can add a special Mensa badge to their profiles, signaling a specific interest in connecting with a single person with a confirmed genius-level IQ score.
I'm smart, maybe not mensa smart (don't really care either way) but fuck hanging out with other aholes like me!
If they were that smart they would know that the IQ test is neither a valid no reliable test for comparisons between groups, only within groups.
I should use this sig to advertise my book ISBN-13 : 978-1501515132.
Anyone with an IQ of 60 IS about as bright as a carrot. It is well below the level of mental retardation
I thought this is why we have so many Regional Gatherings? I'll wager a higher success rate for three days at HalloweeM vs a year long match.com account any day.
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The best in the world are allegedly in attendance, but in reality they suffer from the worst kind of self-selection bias imaginable.
Match.com's press release includes a hilarious "heat map listing where the smartest singles live," by mapping where Ivy League grads live. Apparently graduates of Stanford, U Chicago, CalTech, UC Berkeley, Northwestern, etc. aren't as smart. More likely, they're just not as rich and historically connected to Daddy's alma mater. http://blog.match.com/wp-conte...
At some point anyone with a half functioning brain quickly realizes they are total idiots who know nothing.
Those with fully functional brains should avoid bathrooms, strip clubs and always check the back seats before driving off.
The word 'genius' should be reserved for a rare occasion where a person shows extraordinary insight and brilliance, not the smartest person of a random group of 50.
Before someone asks, yes, I am "Mensa material". I do IQ tests as a pastime. It's fun to watch shrinks stare in awe. So I could join them. As could, I'm certain, most people around here. Being in the 2% bracket isn't THAT difficult when you look at it. There are actually clubs out there with far tighter joining criteria. Also not really something I'd consider joining.
I mean, let's be honest, why should I? Yes, it's fun to have a discussion with people who can think beyond next breakfast but it's no fun having them with people who consider themselves so "smart" and aloof to join a club that selects its members by intelligence. I mean, imagine you're good looking, would you want to join a club that only lets beautiful people join? Ponder what kind of self absorbed, shallow cunts such criteria attract. And then ponder whether you want to be part of that.
And even more, ponder whether you want to spend at least part of your life with someone like that. And now let's imagine the worst case, just think that kids would be the results of such a union. What kind of person do you think such a child would become? Either you'll have a completely broken person who snapped under the pressure of being the expected "pinnacle of intelligence", or you get the ultimate self-absorbed asshole, or a combination of both.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
I used to be in Mensa back in the 80s. When people found out I was in Mensa, they'd frequently express some surprise because they thought Mensans were a bunch of jerks because they'd met somebody who said he was in Mensa and who was very obnoxious, making himself out to be superior. I was surprised because most of the people I met in Mensa weren't like that. I remember throwing a party and invited people from my job and friends from Mensa, and the people from work commented later about how the Mensans at the party were down to earth regular folks and not at all like what they'd expected. I suspect that the jerks giving Mensa a bad rep don't actually go to Mensa events because what they want to do is brag and try to impress people but they can't do that if everybody else is a Mensan. But these same jerks are the ones making the most noise everywhere else and getting noticed. I will admit there are probably more nerdy, asperger's syndrome types in Mensa than the general population, but it's not that bad.
You know what was an exaggerated but based somewhat on truth depiction of Mensa? The one done in a Simpson's episode with Stephen Hawking as guest voice at the end.
Maybe he just got out of the pool when they tested him and it shrank.
I see jealous people in this thread, they are all around me. They don't even know they are jealous, but they scored low on an IQ test and need to shit on it ever since....
Sorry. I'm so elitist that I don't feel I should grace Mensa with my presence.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Mensies?
Untrue. It's actually likely that you'll have on average as many qualifying people in the US as anywhere else.
The main difference is that in the US idiots tend to be loudmouths. Everywhere else they usually get what they deserve. Depending on area that's anything between a bullet, a fist or a gesture towards the door. I've spent some time in the US and it's amazing just how much some places cater to loudmouths. What would usually get you booted out the door around here often allows you to have your way in the US.
That's why you get to perceive these idiots as numerous. They're not more numerous than anywhere else. They just get the wrong message. Instead of learning that being a loud dumb fuck gets your life ended prematurely and hence, depending on just HOW stupid they are, they either learn that it's better to not be a loud dumb fuck or, if they're even too dumb for that, they are being silenced, they learn that being a loud dumb fuck gets them what they want.
And as long as you send them the wrong message, they'll continue being a nuisance.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Historical eugenics was based on idiot politicians making pseudo-scientific claims. IQ has demonstrated a majority genetic basis. Hand-waving the evidence based on PC majoritarian dogma is precisely the hypocritically pretentious stupidity behind historical eugenics. Genes work. Breeding works. It's rarely done properly due to politics, whether state or petty/social. We got enough idiots shitting litters they can't pay for nor think should have to. What's your problem with private individuals having dating preference involving intelligence instead of standardized cultural bullshit that's too shallow to even qualify as proper sophistry?
"A soft answer turneth away wrath. Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head."
When I was eight, I thought that Mensa must be the coolest thing in the world - a Club for Geniuses! When I got a bit older, I ended up going to a few meetings (I had had a school administered IQ test done when I was skipping a grade and that was good enough for the local chapter). Between the painfully shy, the weirdos and the snobs, even my 12 year old self figured out this wasn't the club for me.
I had hopes that maybe it was just the local chapter that was nuts but every time I hear anything about Mensa, it generally confirms my original impression...
As opposed to "shit tests" and "game"?
"A soft answer turneth away wrath. Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head."
When two geniuses mate, the result is often an autistic child: http://archive.wired.com/wired...
Ah, pretentiously dogmatic sense of open-mindedness. You sure got me with your PC echo. Just ignore the Asians and Caucasians consistently retained relatively higher scores, or the Flynn effect specifically reversing in Caucasians countries with immigrants of certain ethnic groups. Genetics isn't open to your values. It's ultimately physics and doesn't fucking care how you feel about it. Some larger, some are stronger, some are smarter, and nature defines all potential. Nurture just softly plays within nature's hard limits.
"A soft answer turneth away wrath. Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head."
You want to watch out slinging facts around. Those PC types are dangerous.
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
That mentions their no alcohol rule. I guess Republicans aren't smart enough to understand that prohibition didn't work. Those stupid Republicans are still living in the 1800s.
There was no prohibition in the 1800s.
you don't want to have the genes of two smart, anti-social people to mate
So smart == anti-social?
Slashdot, fix the reply notifications... You won't get away with it...
I don't know about the US, but in the Netherlands there are dating sites that cater specifically to the "highly educated", i.e. people with university degrees. I understand the idea behind them: you're more likely to have something in common with someone who's roughly in the same ball park as you when it comes to intelligence. This is simply that idea taken one step further. It takes a special kind of person to join mensa (but intellectually and character-wise), and so people that do are likely to have more in common with each other than with people who don't.
Not only do they tend to be loudmouths, there are certain segments of the population in the United States that seem to laud ignorance..... I've lived on 3 different continents and enjoy hanging around in dive bars, you get to meet fascinating people, and one thing that I've discovered is that while there are idiots everywhere, (anecdote alert) only in the US do people BRAG about being ignorant.....
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Only in the US? Canadians seems to also not get the message. I once changed to an English school next door to their department on another town just because of a darn loud-mouthed canadian lady. She was lousy as a person, and as a teacher.
Before someone asks, yes, I am "Mensa material". I do IQ tests as a pastime. It's fun to watch shrinks stare in awe.
Ironically, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
What we really need is a site to match male MENSA geniuses with strippers and ex strippers. Oscar Wilde: "A woman who considers herself an intellectual clearly has forgotten what her genitals are for". In my case, my first wife was a research librarian, my 2nd was a stripper. -I should have married my 2nd wife first, because if I had, I'd have NEVER married my 1st wife.
Mensa Create Dating Site For Pretentious Geniuses
FTFY
You've never dated a stupid elitist have you.
I'm a satanic clam.
Aryan beauty seeks Mensa-member for building the Master-rass.
Looks unimportant.
Please do not apply if you are below 200.
Folks, MENSA was a study intended to track the successes of those with high IQ's as they progressed through life.
Somewhat unsurprisingly, the study revealed NO CORRELATION.
Zippo. Nada. None. Zilch.
People with high-IQ's were no more successful in career terms than people with average IQ's. (I have a high IQ, and I wish the correlation had been tighter! :D )
So at the end of the day "success" is a combination of multiple factors and IQ alone is non-determinant. So who cares about IQ anyway?
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Eugenics, historical or modern, are simply another incarnation of the myth of redemptive violence. Politicians proposed them and people accepted them because the idea that evil is located outside yourself and can and must be suppressed violently is so ingrained in our culture it resonates with the public, no matter how stupid or outright insane a particular proposition actually is.
Just think of eugenics as three-strike laws or War on Whatever of old: it's there to let people enjoy their sadism with a clear conscience. Someone is being fought against; some version of Tiamat is being killed; someone is being cast to Hell; someone has been declared bringer of chaos (through their children, in the case of eugenics) and ritually desecrated (sterilized), so all is well with the world. Until the myth requires another victim, anyway.
Genetics undoubtedly plays a major part in innate intelligence, since they're what separates humans from blades of grass. That doesn't mean the rest of your statements follow. They assume that your phenotype is a simple function of your genotype, when in reality it's the function of your genotype and personal history and anything but simple. Ask any animal breeder how "easy" it is to introduce even a simple quality into the population without causing problems, even in completely controlled environment.
Ah, a Republican. Yeah, I get it's annoying to pay child support. But it's still cheaper than paying for your wars.
An anonymous coward invoking Godwin's law for a dating site? Gee, I wonder what they could possibly be trying to accomplish.
Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.
Mensa members appear to treat IQ as a fixed point, like an SAT test score or GPA that stays in your recordbook forever. But people obviously slow down over time, or suffer psychological symptoms such as paranoia or obsession which may have a deleterious effect on IQ. Some think the act of joining Mensa itself is a contraindicator of highest intelligence (perhaps why they had to dip to 98th percentile, the top thought better of enlisting).
What dating sites actually need is not more dating sites, but a Kayak,com service where I can find dates simultaneously from MENSA, Match.com, EHarmony, FarmersOnly.com, AdultFriendFinder, ChristianSingles, AshleyMadison, HinduConnections, etc., with search-by boxes for attractiveness, income, and other values-based searches. Oh wait, i think the NSA has that already, maybe we can lower the national debt by making it a paid search service.
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The IQ scale has its median at 100 by definition. As such, someone with an IQ of 60 is indeed retarded.
We got enough idiots shitting litters they can't pay for nor think should have to.
Ah, a Republican. Yeah, I get it's annoying to pay child support. But it's still cheaper than paying for your wars.
Sadly, this should be a false dichotomy, but as long as we keep voting the one-party system, it ain't.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Because I am smart enough to know I don't need to be part of a group to be smart.
It's the opposite: you need to be smart to be part of the group. And somehow people like being part of a group.
Not all dating sites are scammy, though admittedly some of them definitely are.
I thought I was special until I realised there are 140 000 000 potential mensans on earth.
And the fact that I'm pretty good at guessing which dice should come after a serie of 4 other dice doesn't tell much about myself, and surely shouldn't be taken as a genius indicator.
Anyway, I went to two Mensa meetings : I met some assholes and some nice guys, just like I would at the pub across the street.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but AFAIK Mensa is a club for people whose only common interest is their ability to score highly in IQ tests? I remember being very impressed when I was a teenager, but I think the consensus has moved on a bit from the idea that intelligence, not to mention broader abillity, can be described well with just one number. And of course, one so often comes across people who have scored something mile high and still seem surpisingly limited in their abilities in life.
Taking intelligence tests is something that can be learned - it's not even that hard, once you learn the tricks. I have several times scored over 150; so am I genius? Well, you tell me :-) It's a bit like bodybuilding - it looks very impressive, but all those hard pumped muscles are just for show, they don't actually have much practical value.
People who boast about their I.Q. are losers. - Stephen Hawking
I tried that shit once, all I got was bots and men pretending to be women.
Buck Feta. You know what to do.
If Mensans are so smart, why do they need a dating service?
Right you are!
If you're smart, it's mostly because you're lucky. You got the good genes. Then, you probably had a good upbringing and environment. Neither of which is anything else than luck.
Sure, to maximize your smarts, you have to work. But lots of people work hard.
So what makes high IQ people special, really? Luck.
What kind of asshole gets all hoity-toity because he was, mostly, lucky?
--PeterM
For good genetic health, dating sites should be matching people who are DIFFERENT, not the same. Given a large number of geniuses who suffer from Aspergers or other forms of autism, it probably best not to be dating others of the same malady. Instead, it is better to date a person with different traits. Of course geniuses don't feel they can communicate with normal people, which is common amongst people who struggle with autism. But worry less about compatibility and more about what sort of scary genetics you might be passing to your children. So if you're a Mexican academic genius then marry a Chinese athlete. If you're an African athlete then marry an Eskimo artist. If you're a short Jewish businessman then marry a tall blonde Scandinavia.
Unfortunately they have no been able to study this yet because, and someone inform Al-Qaeda, this is where the 72 virgins are.
No beer and no TV make Homer something something
> I know a lot of high IQ people and they all have one thing in common. Being lazy. Smartest guy I know wastes most of every day playing Xbox and smoking pot.
âoeFor instance, on the planet Earth, man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so muchâ"the wheel, New York, wars and so onâ"whilst all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than manâ"for precisely the same reasons.â
â Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
Mensa isn't even all that selective in the grand scheme of things. They admit anyone who scores +2 sigma or higher on a variety of tests, not all of which measure IQ very well. So we're talking about the top 2.2% of all individuals. In terms of the pre-1995 SAT that would be 1250 and higher.
... In short, you don't always join Mensa because you think you're smart. You join to be set apart from most people, who are, as one member put it: "mundane."...
That's not why you join mensa, that why you continue to be a member after you join.
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When I attended the mensa meetings, the condescending attitude of mensa people towards others was quite a surprise to me. After a few meetings I just stopped attending and did not renew my membership.
Smart people signing up for a dating sight is like engineers outfitted with radiometers curiously examining the interior of a nuclear reactor.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
Maybe I'm looking for a woman who is better looking than me and who'll accept the IQ differential in exchange.
</sarcasm>
True story. I took a long bike ride last summer and ended up in a very affluent seaside community. I cross over the causeway to an island that's the most desirable neighborhood. I pass an attractive blonde woman jogging, but I think nothing of it. Then I pass another one. Then another. And another. I notice the women getting in and out of the Land Rovers in front of the Islands quaint shops. They're obviously blonde joggers too. It's like all the women came from the same Jogging Blonde Lady factory then were rigged out with different accessories. None of them look over 30.
So I start looking for men. They're obviously wealthy, but they appear on average 20 years older than the women. In fact, they're just regular, dumpy old shlumps with expensive cars and watches.
It was weird, like having a young, blonde, athletic wife was part of the homeowners' covenant or something. Sorry honey, but we just got a citation from the association and you'll have to move of the island. Heather here will be taking over your duties; be a dear and show her around the old place.
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After joining Mensa, you get invited to plenty of card games, speeches and nerd discussions. But you're still dealing with the general public.
Now, if there was a second test... where then only let in people that care about their appearance, maintain good eye contact, have a modicum of physical fitness, then I would definitely like to join that inner circle.
-- I was raised on the command line, bitch
Whenever someone tells me they are in Mensa, I usually think, what a fuck head. Not only did you care enough to jump through the hoops to join, but you are arrogant enough to want everyone to know you're a member.
Instead, show me your intellect with witty conversation, keen understanding, and curiosity, and you won't be such an ass.
My God can beat up your God. Just kidding...don't take offense. I know there's no God.
Especially when it's funnier to stop after the Feynman point where you start sounding like either Herman Cain or Adolf Hitler.
Why would such highly intelligent people would let "love", an highly irrational feeling, waste their precious existence time. Aren't they way too busy finding a cure for cancer or making nuclear fusion works?
Mensans can masturbate with their minds.
Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
Why does a community of socially disabled people need a dating site? Do they think it will help them?
I know plenty of people who would qualify for Mensa (I know I do) but they don't join because they have a happy social life with lots of smart friends, and even "normal" people. It's only the "smart" people who are more or less socially disabled who need to join Mensa in order to "get a life". Get a life!
no, I don't have a sig
So smart == anti-social?
Yes.
They feared that it could be used to suppress protest or support unpopular rule.
Classic racist argument. Present half-facts out of context and then attack the other person as "PC." Well here are the full-facts to your half-facts:
If anything, the Flynn effect proves that IQ is mostly determined by factors other than genetics. In the post-war Netherlands, the average IQ went up 21 points in 30 years. Unless they had a top secret Eugeneics program that no-one has managed to discover, there is no way the Dutch gene pool could have changed so dramatically in such a short period. Or, for even better evidence, you can look at the case of post Brown v. Board of Education Virginia:
These are the same children that were being tested year after year. There is simply no way genetics could have played a role.
It's long been established that IQ tests are a terrible measure of innate intelligence. Actually, it's been established literally from the very beginning: Alfred Binet, who created the first IQ test, wanted to identify children in a particular public school who had learning disabilities. He designed the IQ test to determine which children were learning more slowly, and he explicitly said that the test did not measure innate intelligence:
The important thing is that all of the students Binet studied went to the same school. That isn't true in studies that are comparing intelligence amongst difference races. Guess what? If you take a test that is measuring how much you got out of school and you attended a crappy school, then you obviously aren't going to do well on said test as kids who went to good schools, and in the US, whites and Asians attend (on average) much better schools than African Americans and Latinos.
The male members, which I'm sure is going to be pretty well represented at Mensa, is far better off joining a local yoga club if they want a chance at love ^.^ The females just need to go to a bar.
All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.
MENSA is for people who are insecure and conceited about their intelligence. An analogy I always use is the Club of Certified Badasses. What kind of badass would want to join that?
I hear they're pretty big on scientific racism too...they can have fun with that without me.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
A bunch of jerks eliminating themselves from the common pool.
I'm much more funny, interesting and insightful than the moderators think
It's actually measurably true that if both parents work in the tech sector, a child is much more likely to be autistic.
Have gnu, will travel.
I knew a guy who was mensa... and I can tell you for a fact he was dumb as a box of rocks. Either he cheated or they gave him a free one.
Mike @ The Geek Pub. Let's Make Stuff!
Actually since the Flynn effect didn't alter ethnic differences, it verified that nurture failed to trump nature, which is flagrantly counter to your claim.
Also, you Binet sermon's just genetic fallacy added to weasel words. Who "established that IQ tests are terrible measure of innate intelligence" and how exactly?
IQ testing has certainly been updated since the long defunct original Standford-Binet test intended for predicting academic potential, and is far more robust than your reduction. Wechsler tests among others are different batteries for different indications, and the stats hold over large populations with a great many correlations over decades of study, regardless of your dislike.
"A soft answer turneth away wrath. Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head."
Give it time. The US had far more years of celebration of the ignorant on daytime TV talk shows. We're still catching up to the cult of the moron.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
I went to some "young Mensan" meetings back in the 1980's. I ended up dating a very nice (and smart) girl and had a good time.
In the 2010's, I'm not sure there is much point in joining Mensa to meet people for romantic reasons, especially given the large number of "meetup" style events available, plus online dating sites allow one to signal intelligence pretty easily if not explicitly.
There are many signals that people look for in romantic engagements that people prefer to not receive explicitly, including money, intelligence, and power. For example, women on average may like rich men, but if you show up at a date and give a woman a $100 bill to signal your wealth, it is not likely to be received well.
The distribution of intelligence follows a normal curve, but intelligence itself follows a power law curve. It's very steep at the high end. I test around the 99.5th percentile, and I judge all my friends to be at least in the 99th, else they wouldn't be my friends. But my arrogance is tempered by knowing that within that half-percentile above me -- well over a million people in the US alone -- are many who can look down on me as I look down on the 99th percentile. They are the real gods of our society. Even at the 99.5th percentile, I will never be more than a second-tier demigod.
What the IQ requirement of being in Mensa actually is?
Just for curiosity's sake, no one has actually asked this?
- Zav - Imagine a Beowulf cluster of insensitive clods...
"If you're so smart, why aren't you rich?"
Because I'm a lazy-ass bastard, and not driven enough to sell something to someone (including myself) ;-)
The way I see it, there are Intelligent people that just like to hang out with other intelligent people now and then and have an interesting conversation. The same way that athletic people like to hang out with other athletic people now and then and do some sports together.
In both groups there are assholes that get a kick out of putting not as smart or not as athletic people down so they can feel superior. But thankfully, they are not the norm.
(never tested) but even I'm smart enough to know that reducing the size of my dating pool isn't a good idea.
So can horses.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
Seriously. If there is one thing most smart people have in common, it's that they are not in Mensa.
I went to an Ivy League college. I work in an elite university. There are two Nobel laureates on my floor. I spend my days surrounded by certifiably Very Smart People.
I don't know a single person who belongs to Mensa. Most of the people I know would laugh at the idea of joining Mensa. They don't need to join an organization to show off how smart they are. Everyone already knows they're smart. They don't need to join an organization to find other smart people. They spend their days surrounded by smart people, because they work in fields that require intelligence.
"I'm too busy to research this and form an educated opinion, but I do have time to tell everyone my uninformed opinion."
I once dated a Mensa girl... She was as stupid as she was arrogant! and trust me she was arrogant with an IQ of 150... I'm glad I'm not that clever!!! I'm looking forward for the success of this service, the more of them date each other the more likely evolution will make sure to get rid of them. hopefully in a few generation.
If you are so smart why are you still single?
And that's relevant how, exactly?
Do you reckon the idea of prohibition just fell out of the sky one day, or it was the zenith of temperance movements that had been around since at least 600 AD.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Actually since the Flynn effect didn't alter ethnic differences, it verified that nurture failed to trump nature, which is flagrantly counter to your claim.
Let me get this straight: IQ scores of populations rise without changes to the ethnic composition of said populations, and this somehow proves that race is the main determiner of IQ? Sorry, buddy, but the Netherlands did not "whiten" between 1952 and 1982. Quite the opposite: immigrants began to flood in from Indonesia, Aruba and the Antilles, and Suriname. And yet IQ went up drastically. And if you look at 1960s Virginia, an unchanged population of a single race saw a dramatic changed by thirty points in just five years. 30 points is supposedly the difference between average (100) and mentally retarded (70). Do you want me to believe that as soon as the Virginia public schools shut down, radioactive spiders bit all the black students (and only the black students) to alter their DNA and turn them into retards over the span of five years? Or is it more likely that five years without schooling left their academic abilities rusty and atrophied?
Who "established that IQ tests are terrible measure of innate intelligence" and how exactly?
Binet (but you call that genetic fallacy, fine). But also Flynn and several professors of psychology. How? With scientific studies, but you'll probably just write them off as "PC."
IQ testing has certainly been updated since the long defunct original Standford-Binet test intended for predicting academic potential, and is far more robust than your reduction. Wechsler tests among others are different batteries for different indications, and the stats hold over large populations with a great many correlations over decades of study, regardless of your dislike.
Nice try, but the modern day IQ tests are exactly the ones that were debunked in those two articles I linked to. The Cell article I linked to specifically mentions Wechsler. They conclude that most general IQ tests are useless, but concede specific tests, such as the subtest component of Wechsler may still have some value (since they did not analyze the efficacy of subtests in this paper). But another paper that did analyze subtest scores concludes that they, too are entirely useless. Just Say No to Subtest Analysis: A Critique on Wechsler Theory and Practice.
You sound a lot like J. Philippe Rushton, who for years claimed that Africans were intellectually inferior to other races on a biological level. It almost sounded believable until he started claiming that there was an inverse relation between penis size and intelligence. My best guess is that you, like Rushton, are only engaged in this racial superiority pissing contest to because you want to lessen your insecurities about the size of certain appendages for which you are markedly below average.
Bad form to answer a question with a question[1], but why do you think smart people are automatically rich? Do you also think rich people are automatically smart? Have you heard of David Beckham or Paris Hilton?
[1] or three. Well, two and a half.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Ability to define success.
Requiem for the American Dream
Well, there's no dialogue with you between your strawmen and handwaving. Your prompt immediate upvoters are a nice touch too...
"A soft answer turneth away wrath. Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head."
>> Everywhere else they usually get what they deserve.
So, for speaking one's mind, someone should "get what they deserve."
I don't know where you come from, but FUCK that place.
I am very small, utmostly microscopic.
J. Philippe Rushton jokes aside, if by "strawmaning and handwaving" you mean thoroughly rebutting your arguments, then yes, I've done plenty of "strawmaning and handwaving," and unless you can tell my why the patterns observed in the Netherlands and Virginia are inconclusive or why the papers I linked to are inaccurate, I think that brings this debate to a close.
Calavar crushed your case like a bug. Nice to see you are as graceless a loser as your close-minded, and logic-challenged.
Starships were meant to fly, Hands up and touch the sky - Nicky Minaj
Speaking your mind is one thing. Being an obnoxious douche that has nothing to do but getting on everyone's nerves is another one.
I come from a place where "speaking your mind" was never enshrined in some kind of constitution. We never really deemed it necessary. In the words of your forefathers, we considered it self evident that people would state it if they don't liked something. But, and that part is equally important, your right to swing your (verbal) fist ends right at where my nose is. Unless of course you are prepared to deal with the rebuttal.
You may also notice that the constitution applies to your government. Not your peers. The government must not keep you from saying what you want on its ground. I may well take your ass and throw it on the sidewalk if I don't like what you say on mine.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Idiot loudmouths, please. Don't omit that first and very important part.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
I didn't make the case he was referring to nor did he provide crushing evidence of anything when the majority of evidence contradicts his claims. He's fucking incoherent. The modern Standford-Binet doesn't even work like he claims and along with the WAIS is very well regarded. They're used to identify mental disability for legal purposes. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pm...
"A soft answer turneth away wrath. Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head."
"Mensa Match: The Dating Site For the Insufferably Smug."
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"I used to listen to Null Device before they sold out."
All I can think about reading this is a job I had as a grad student, working in an urban planning research institute. The research director was the first woman in Canada to get a doctorate in her field; her husband had been short-listed for a Nobel prize in his (different) field. Yet on a near-daily basis, she ran to me yelling that the postage meter wasn't working again - and every time, I'd go into the mail room, look at the wall, and say "You kicked the plug out again." Her husband would call her for instructions on how to write a check. Also, one day she came to work in a lovely pink blouse that had been white weeks before; apparently, they attempted to do their own laundry, and threw a new red item in with the whites. I'm sure their IQs were off the charts, but they were astonishingly dim about how to function in daily life.