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iPhone 6 Sales Crush Means Late-Night Waits For Some Early Adopters

Even after the months of hype and speculation, the behind-the-scenes development and manufacture, and then the announcement Tuesday, it seems Apple's servers weren't quite ready for the workout they got from would-be early adopters of its newest iPhone. Preorders through Verizon Wireless and AT&T largely started without a hitch at midnight, though some customers on Twitter have since complained about issues. Those problems were nothing compared to the issues experienced by Sprint and T-Mobile customers. The Sprint and T-Mobile sites were still down for many users nearly two hours after presales were slated to start. Access to Sprint's site faded in and out, while the T-Mobile site continued to display a form to register for a reminder for when the preorders began. Some people joked on Twitter that they "might as well wait for the iPhone 6S now." Apple's store itself was down for a few hours, too.

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  1. I just want the new Nexus. by LWATCDR · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So when is the new Nexus coming out?

    Over all I found the 6 to be a lack luster announcement. Nothing really new was announced.

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    1. Re:I just want the new Nexus. by jandrese · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The only real feature of note was Apple Pay, which might finally make NFC payments take off in the US. It's been a technology that should have hit it big a couple of years ago, but has never seen much consumer buy-in for some reason.

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    2. Re:I just want the new Nexus. by nblender · · Score: 5, Funny

      I've got a Nexus-5 so I'm going to skip the Nexus-6... I'm holding out for the Nexus-7!

    3. Re:I just want the new Nexus. by schlachter · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I've met many 40's and up Android users who say they wanted an iPhone but bought an Android because they couldn't read on the iPhone screen because it was too small. So the larger screen size is a feature that many people will cite when the buy the iPhone 6.

      It's also got between 10% and 100%+ battery life improvement. They didn't focus on that but it's pretty important to many.

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    4. Re:I just want the new Nexus. by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 1

      Well, I'm not sure. But don't worry, I'm sure the order page won't have the same capacity problems!

    5. Re:I just want the new Nexus. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      The ironic thing is that NFC isn't anything new. All my recent Android phones have had the ability to use NFC, and my HTC One M8 can use an app that sits on the SIM card, called ISIS (poor name, ironically) that can handle payments in a secure manner (the SIM card does all the processing, so even if the phone is compromised, the PIN used is not stored/used on the phone. Of course, I'm sure malware can log the PIN, but it is as secure as any other wallet mechanism.) My biggest beef about it is that you can only use it with Amex or a Wells Fargo credit card.

      The reason why NFC payments have not taken off in the US is because there are many standards. PayPal has one. Google Wallet has one. The ideal would be to have a standard on one or two that all merchants can easily take. If the merchant has to buy new expensive equipment to handle it, they won't. Since Chip and PIN is coming in 2015, it would be nice to see at least 1-2 standard NFC payment mechanisms be commonplace as most card swipe machines will have to be replaced anyway.

      To me, I don't see anything interesting about the 6 and 6+ that would make it worth jumping from an iPhone 5S or even an iPhone 5. The camera's update is a good one, but the new CPU doesn't mean much, and the growing form factor [1] isn't that attractive unless cargo pants became the rage.

      [1]: Realistically, the growing form factor isn't due to consumer demand. It is due to needing more room for a bigger battery and surface area to disperse heat with the faster CPUs.

    6. Re:I just want the new Nexus. by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The only real feature of note was Apple Pay, which might finally make NFC payments take off in the US. It's been a technology that should have hit it big a couple of years ago, but has never seen much consumer buy-in for some reason.

      It's pretty straightforward, to my mind. With the exception of all but the most staggering technological advancements, widespread adoption of new technology typically requires:

      1. a sound implementation,
      2. a robust support infrastructure, and
      3. an effective marketing campaign.

      Geeks, for a variety of reasons, tend to respect the first, grok the second, and abhor the third. I personally believe it's what drives our perpetual cycle of incredulity on this subject--because we so detest the last part of this equation, we refuse to see its importance in getting all those squishy, distracted, emotional bags of water to adopt cool new stuff.

      NFC has never had the effective marketing campaign in the US, and only kinda had the support infrastructure. The iPhone has incredible inertia on the marketing front, and Apple have clearly done the legwork on building a good starting lineup of financial institutions and retailers for Apple Pay. It remains to be seen whether this'll be sufficient to make NFC catch on, but it's easily the closest we've come to covering all three of the bases above.

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    7. Re:I just want the new Nexus. by nblender · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'm one. I switched from my iphone4 to a nexus5 for two reasons:

      - my eyes have aged substantially in the last 6 or 7 years, most dramatically in the last 3.
      - $829 (CAD) for an iphone5 vs. $349 for a Nexus5...

      Additional perks:
      - wireless charging

    8. Re:I just want the new Nexus. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The actually useful stuff is in the the latest iOS 8 software as it allows you to handle phonecalls and texts from your Mac. Theres a ton of synergy developing between the iPhone and Mac recently, the same cannot be said for windows and Android in my opinion.

      For a lot of people its the ecosystem and overall user experience places it miles ahead when you own a mac as well as an iPhone.

    9. Re:I just want the new Nexus. by war4peace · · Score: 1

      "People" also want shitty SOAPs, crappy entertainment and retarded music. Your point being?

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    10. Re:I just want the new Nexus. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      BGR article appearing tomorrow:

      Nexus 7 confirmed, leaked details inside. iPhone 6 should make Google nervous for these 11 reasons.

    11. Re:I just want the new Nexus. by riis138 · · Score: 1

      I agree...Even the die hard Apple fanboys I work with were pretty unimpressed with the announcement. It really feels like Android is where everything interesting is happening nowadays from a development standpoint. Who knows, maybe even Microsoft can gain a foothold.

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    12. Re: I just want the new Nexus. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Chip and pin are coming in 2015? Err, in Australia, pins have been around since I was born, in the early 90s, and chips have been around since before 2010. Signatures are completely phased out now too. Is it really that different across countries?

    13. Re: I just want the new Nexus. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      LOL. Yes, we use magstripe and signature still. Heck, I even occasionally see an imprint machine being broken out.

    14. Re:I just want the new Nexus. by CastrTroy · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Nexus 4 and 5 made sense because they had a 4 and 5 inch screen. The 7 has a 7 inch screen. Unless the 6 has a six inch screen, the numbering system won't make sense. Perhaps they should go with Nexus 5 again, like they did with the two models of Nexus 7.

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    15. Re:I just want the new Nexus. by LWATCDR · · Score: 1, Insightful

      NFC is cool and boy did people think it was neat when I paid for something at the 7-11 with my Galaxy Nexus a few years ago. You are right that it might finally take off in the US now that Apple is doing it. They are even following the standards so they can use the existing NFC machines at Walgreens, 7-11, and McDonald's. It is really not innovative but an example of the clout that Apple has with the carriers.

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    16. Re:I just want the new Nexus. by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      The original iphone was 320 x 480. They went retina by doubling it - 640 x 960. No problem, you provide 2x images.

      Your comprehension of basic geometry sucks, straight up. There are 5th graders who are laughing at you.

      There's no error in 320*2=640 and 480*2=960. If you knew anything about coding, you would know that so-called "retina" images are usually named with "@2x" to denote the double resolution in width and height. Of course it means four times as many pixels, but they're called "2x" anyway, even in the Apple guidelines and documentations.

    17. Re:I just want the new Nexus. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      People still participate in Ponzi scams all the time as well. Sometimes it comes down to salsemanship.

      If i had an iphone, the one thing I would not be "proud" of is the 60% profit figure since that represents what i overpaid for the phone.

    18. Re:I just want the new Nexus. by tlhIngan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The only real feature of note was Apple Pay, which might finally make NFC payments take off in the US. It's been a technology that should have hit it big a couple of years ago, but has never seen much consumer buy-in for some reason.

      Because no one unified around it. You have credit cards and phones and all that, and the phones were all fragmented into using Google Wallet or other custom thing so it was impossible to actually use.

      Effectively, Google thought "If you build it, they will come" and everyone basically gave a collective "meh" and promptly did their own thing.

      What Apple did was try to be a de-facto standard. Apple made deals with Visa, MasterCard and American Express (which probably covers the vast majority of credit card charges out there). Apple made deals with big retailers people used. So in the end, Apple has, upon launch, the support of the vast majority of credit card payment companies, and big companies that most people shop at.

      Plus, Apple has money on their side - the people who buy Apple products tend to be ones who have money, and are the kind of people who do spend it. Android users tend to be more tight-asses (given the vast majority of them are free phones that their carrier gave away), so are in generaly seen as a "lesser valued" market.

      So you have companies agreeing to Apple because they know Apple customers generally have money. As a side effect, it means the technology being promoted gets widely distributed so everyone else benefits as well.

    19. Re:I just want the new Nexus. by Megol · · Score: 1

      Here, I'll convert it to factors: 1.1 to 2

      How you can interpret that as 1.0 is ... artistic.

    20. Re:I just want the new Nexus. by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      >is because there are many standards

      The problem with creating the one true standard is that in the US the PCI-DSS people would want to do it, and I've never seen a more incompetent bunch of standards writers than PCI-DSS when it comes to payment security.

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    21. Re:I just want the new Nexus. by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Microsoft has a shot if they do not destroy Nokia. I flat out think that Nokia makes the best looking phone. LG, Samsung, and Apple all use great displays, Android has the best feature set, Nokia the best camera,Motorola has the Motovoice feature that I really want, and Apple has great stability and battery life.
      Windows Phone 8.1 actually looks pretty good now.
      For me the perfect phone would be a Nokia with the screen from the G3 running Android with Motovoice.
      Others would have a different prefect phone.

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    22. Re: I just want the new Nexus. by Graymalkin · · Score: 1

      Don't include "if you knew anything about X" in your reply if you're going to spout nonsense. The whole idea behind "Retina" displays is they're an increase in pixel density rather than a simple increase in screen geometry.

      The iPhone 4 had a screen with roughly twice the pixel density of the iPhone 3GS and earlier. This is where the "@2x" naming scheme for images originated. The geometry of the iPhone 4's screen was the same as earlier phones but with a higher pixel density. The iPads had the same sort of density increase.

      The geometric difference between the iPhone 5 and 6 over the 3GS is immaterial. They maintain the high pixel density. The only place where a developer will care is if they have static images that fill the display. They'd need larger ones for the iPhone 6 and 6+.

      For a majority however the increased screen geometry will simple mean more content space. Apps tend to have fixed elements in portions of the screen with flexible space in between. The new iPhones will just see a bit more flexible space.

      An icon for a button won't need to change unless you want to make it bigger in proportion to the screen. In fact iOS 8 (the OS on the new phones) has several new view classes that allow them to adapt easily to different screen sizes. This is a feature OSX has had for a long time, the UI can be laid out in relative values so it will be correct no matter the window size or aspect.

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    23. Re:I just want the new Nexus. by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Right here.

      google wallet is clunky to use. I tried using it several times and it always gave me fits to where I finally gave up and used the card in my wallet.

      I really hope apple figured out how to make it work a LOT better than GW does. Because having to log into the app and waiting for it to sync takes longer than opening my wallet and swiping the card.

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    24. Re: I just want the new Nexus. by master_kaos · · Score: 2

      Canada too. Very few places don't have a chip machine, and still use mag stripe. Quite a few of the machines don't even let you mag stipe anymore unless chip fails after 3 attempts.

    25. Re:I just want the new Nexus. by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      It *is* a problem for merchants. With credit cards, you deal with one payment processor and accept a variety of cards. With digital wallets, you have to deal with Google to accept theirs, Amazon to accept theirs, PayPal to accept theirs, Apple to accept theirs... now, instead of dealing with one company to accept 20 different forms of payment, you have to deal with yet another company for each.

      That's why everyone takes credit cards and almost nobody deals with digital wallets. I wonder how low of a rate Apple had to offer all of these merchants to make it worth their while.

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    26. Re: I just want the new Nexus. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      200 milion people in Brazil
      313 milion people in the US.

      Brazil already uses chip and pin exclusively. Even considering Brazil's much better telecom infrastructure(wait what???), US should already have done it...

    27. Re: I just want the new Nexus. by Grizzley9 · · Score: 2

      LOL. Yes, we use magstripe and signature still. Heck, I even occasionally see an imprint machine being broken out.

      The imprint machine will continue to be used (occasionally) even with chip and pin as it doesn't require a constant, live connection. Useful for when there's a system glitch, power outage, or unreliable infrastructure. That's why the cards still have raised numbers and even after it's widely used post 2015, the magnetic stripe will also still be there on chipped cards.

    28. Re:I just want the new Nexus. by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1, Informative

      There are three professions where being untruthful is the key to success: Lawyers, salespeople, and marketing. All three are hired to portray their client in the most favorable light possible, and the very best ones lie through their teeth. The worst of these three are the marketers because they have legions of psychologists and scientists trying to figure out the best way to lie to people.

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    29. Re: I just want the new Nexus. by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      The key would be how many places had mag strip first. Brazil is moving faster now than 10 years ago.

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    30. Re:I just want the new Nexus. by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 1

      There are three professions where being untruthful is the key to success: Lawyers, salespeople, and marketing. All three are hired to portray their client in the most favorable light possible, and the very best ones lie through their teeth. The worst of these three are the marketers because they have legions of psychologists and scientists trying to figure out the best way to lie to people.

      Yes! You're both presenting a perfectly defensible argument against marketing and reinforcing my original point! Because geeks tend to abhor marketing, we dismiss its significance, and are perennially gobsmacked as to why an intrinsically emotional, manipulatable species is so susceptible to emotional manipulation.

      So long as humanity is what it is, reason will only ever get you so far. You either need to blow the doors off with a staggeringly amazing thing, or come to terms with the fact that every single entity who might care about your thing has feelings, and bending those feelings in your favor can work wonders.

      It's not all bad, though; emotional manipulation works under much the same constraints. Unless you're a Level 80 Snake Oil Salesman with a hat full of luck, you're going to have a very hard time making your thing last if it doesn't live up to the hype--and your reputation will suffer for it.

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    31. Re:I just want the new Nexus. by schlachter · · Score: 1

      Yeah hate to respond to the AC but here goes...

      Different usage patterns have different gains.

      Talk time is more than 100% increased.
      Video watching time is 10% increased.
      Lots of other use cases fall in between these numbers.

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    32. Re: I just want the new Nexus. by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      Yes, but did Brazil have credit cards at *all* in the 1950s?

      Changing credit cards is one of the cases (along with cell phones being far more prevalent than land lines, in developing countries), where having technological advances far earlier than other parts of the world causes tons of inertia which makes FURTHER advances much harder/take longer/more expensive.

    33. Re:I just want the new Nexus. by cHiphead · · Score: 1

      Google Wallet or bust, fuck ISIS, and now Apple, with their strategies based on taking over the market for NFC payments instead of just fucking offering an option for NFC payments.

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    34. Re:I just want the new Nexus. by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 2

      If the only thing Apple ever does consistently is break the control of the carriers, we should still all bow down. The carriers in North America are all terrible. Any time anyone knocks them down a peg, I'm happy. If Google'd done it, I'd sing the same praises, just as loudly.

    35. Re:I just want the new Nexus. by iamhassi · · Score: 2

      To me, I don't see anything interesting about the 6 and 6+ that would make it worth jumping from an iPhone 5S or even an iPhone 5.

      MUCH BETTER BATTERY LIFE = 6+ battery is over twice as large as iPhone 5s battery, from 1,440 mAh to 2,915 mAh. While some might say "battery life will be the same because of the larger screen" it's been shown in iPad's that is not true, devices like the Mini have an enormous battery life despite the 8" screen and only a 4,490 mAh battery. If the 6+ can get just half the battery life of the Mini that will be a huge improvement from the battery life of the 5s. Apple is already reporting the 6+ will provide several hours more battery life than the 5s.
      LARGER SCREEN = no dispute there
      FINGERPRINT = 5s had fingerprint but 5 did not. That will make it much easier to unlock the phone and make iTunes payments
      NFC = if mobile payments work out like they're saying this could be the best feature of the iPhone 6. It could mean never needing to get out your wallet and never having to worry about your credit card or identity stolen.
      OPTICAL IMAGE STABILIZATION = would help a lot when recording videos, optical image stabilization is usually much better than digital stabilization.
      BETTER CAMERA = anyone that has bought a cheap camera knows big megapixel numbers do not mean a good camera. The iPhone 6 is still "only" 8 megapixels but adds a new iSight sensor and Focus Pixels technology for focusing faster.
      MOTION CO-PROCESSOR = anyone that uses their phone while working out would like this. The A8 chip includes the new M8 motion co-processor which recognizes data from gyroscopes, accelerometers and compasses.

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    36. Re:I just want the new Nexus. by rjstanford · · Score: 1

      That's missing the biggest piece of the ApplePay announcement; in-app purchase support at below-card-present rates for the merchant, without having Apple as a direct participant in the payment chain. That's absolutely massive and has far more potential to be a game changer.

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    37. Re: I just want the new Nexus. by Redbehrend · · Score: 2

      I agree I watched apples event that required their browser and flash which meant the mobile apple users couldn't watch it lol.

      All old features and trends I didn't see one innovation... why is everyone so crazy about it Idk. Apple is too scared to do anything "new" anymore lol.

      Big screens been around, nfc has been around, gear has been around and payment processors. They even call their gray "space gray" to jump on the Sci Fi band wagon. Like anyone would use apple in space haha.

      Yes I'm bias I just dislike how apple keeps bsing everyone. To be innovative you must actually come out with something new.

    38. Re: I just want the new Nexus. by rjstanford · · Score: 1

      Its a pity that we have to rely on one guy changing out all of that hardware and can't scale the changeover with the population as we do the user base.

      I mean, really?

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    39. Re:I just want the new Nexus. by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      Given the rumours google us killing the nexus line your wait might take awhile. Seems google can't compete in Samsung's market.

    40. Re:I just want the new Nexus. by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      NFC isn't new technology like the internet wasn't new technology in the late 90's. It doesn't matter if most people aren't using it. NFC still isn't common enough for my liking. Oddly enough it'll probably be apple that drives NFC to mainstream usage.

    41. Re: I just want the new Nexus. by Redbehrend · · Score: 1

      They already passed laws that go into effect into 2015 after the target bust.
      We will have chip readers soon and better security, is it enough... no... is it a start... yes!
      They passed the law for 2015 with the banks too where the ATM companies are liable for the security of what they sell and install.

    42. Re:I just want the new Nexus. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I just touch my phone against the pad and it pays. No need to open an app or anything like that. Don't even have to turn the screen on.

      Not sure why you had problems.

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    43. Re:I just want the new Nexus. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Apart from the fingerprint sensor you are describing my old Galaxy S3 from three years ago. Bigger battery, bigger screen, NFC, image stabilisation, small low power cores etc.

      If you are looking for an upgrade get s Nexus 5 for half the price, or wait s month for the new model. They cost half the price too.

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    44. Re:I just want the new Nexus. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      They needed to up the resolution for two reasons. Firstly to break away from the old fixed resolutions that as you point out they were stuck with, and encourage more fluid layouts. That allows them to do a greater b variety of devices in the future.

      Secondly they needed to go HD. Retina has become a joke, with even Apple now admitting that it was bullshit to begin with. Every other phone competing with it, often at less than half the price, has a HD screen now. The smaller iPhone 6 is just 720p but at least the larger one is respectable. I do wonder how many games will upscale though as the GPU has not increased in proportion to the number of pixels.

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    45. Re:I just want the new Nexus. by turp182 · · Score: 1

      Nexus 5 is the boss. Cheap comparatively. My wife left iPhone's behind because she wanted my phone. Needs a case for sure, but I wouldn't carry a phone without a case.

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    46. Re: I just want the new Nexus. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      There is also the issue that some people can't use a PIN. Numerical dyslexia and various other health issues prevent them from either remembering or entering a PIN number, so they still use the old signature method.

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    47. Re:I just want the new Nexus. by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

      The only real feature of note was Apple Pay, which might finally make NFC payments take off in the US. It's been a technology that should have hit it big a couple of years ago, but has never seen much consumer buy-in for some reason.

      It's pretty straightforward, to my mind. With the exception of all but the most staggering technological advancements, widespread adoption of new technology typically requires:

      1. a sound implementation,
      2. a robust support infrastructure, and
      3. an effective marketing campaign.

      Geeks, for a variety of reasons, tend to respect the first, grok the second, and abhor the third. I personally believe it's what drives our perpetual cycle of incredulity on this subject--because we so detest the last part of this equation, we refuse to see its importance in getting all those squishy, distracted, emotional bags of water to adopt cool new stuff.

      NFC has never had the effective marketing campaign in the US, and only kinda had the support infrastructure. The iPhone has incredible inertia on the marketing front, and Apple have clearly done the legwork on building a good starting lineup of financial institutions and retailers for Apple Pay. It remains to be seen whether this'll be sufficient to make NFC catch on, but it's easily the closest we've come to covering all three of the bases above.

      Several years ago, I read about many African countries who had implemented Mobile (bitcoin?) Money. The government did not own printing presses or coin manufacturing facilities, and could not finance them without impacting other needed healthcare and education projects.
      What was done was to work with banks, pharmacies, and certain other businesses to allow individuals to load money onto their cellphone. Small businesses were able to accept cellphone payments. (taxi drivers, and others). When cash was required, the small business visited the pharmacy or bank, and redeemed the cellphone money for cash. Charges for redeeming money was government managed. (Some of the charges were for tax collections, and a small amount for the bank). Service seems to still be in use after about some years of success.

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    48. Re:I just want the new Nexus. by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      "People" also want shitty SOAPs, crappy entertainment and retarded music. Your point being?

      That Android is market leader.

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    49. Re:I just want the new Nexus. by war4peace · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but that, apparently, is not because everyone wants it, it's because people can't afford iPhones. That's what Apple fans say, anyway.

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    50. Re:I just want the new Nexus. by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but that, apparently, is not because everyone wants it, it's because people can't afford iPhones. That's what Apple fans say, anyway.

      So people like you say Android is cheap trash.

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    51. Re:I just want the new Nexus. by war4peace · · Score: 1

      Oh, look, another dude who thinks can twist my words.
      The world is overflowing with your likes. Smart enough to try and twist words but not smart enough to succeed.

      I never said "cheap" and I never said "trash".
      What Android offers is VARIETY. From cheap trash to stuff better (and sometimes even pricier) than iPhones.
      Android is the only OS which powers phones as cheap as 50 bucks (or even free if you get a low-priced plan) or as expensive as 1000+. Also it powers devices with a huge variety of screen formats, sizes and resolutions, even resolutions as weird as iPhone's. At the same time, you get to choose between phones with embedded SD cards and/or batteries or replaceable SD cards and/or batteries. Most can be easily rooted, modded, altered, hell you can build your own flavor if that's your thing. They don't stop you from doing whatever the hell you want with the OS (if you have the knowledge, of course) and AFAIK (but YMMV) they're next-to-impossible to brick. I have a HTC desire S which I actually tried bricking (to no avail).

      Oh and guess what, I don't need to install any software to use my phone as mobile data storage. I just connect it through USB or bluetooth and I'm good to go.

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    52. Re: I just want the new Nexus. by Redbehrend · · Score: 1

      Apple nfc and the android nfc = the same as is required by the standard. ( Hence why I didn't call one better.)
      I never had a problem with android nfc except in the ghetto where the card machines were by some unknown company or looked like they fell off a truck

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      Main Entry: inÂnoÂvaÂtion
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      Function: noun
      Date: 15th century
      1 : the introduction of something new
      We are both right, as Apple fans put Apple as one of the biggest "tech" companies in the world what innovation did they bring us?
      Notta it was a phone just to keep up...
      As much as you can hate Samsung/LG androids they are pushing the limits of the form factor and their screen tech will change the world not just their users and devices. At least in their latest releases they pushed screens / water resistance / introduced heart rate in a phone, etc.. Apple should be doing the same for everyone not just them...

    53. Re:I just want the new Nexus. by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      Oh, look, another dude who thinks can twist my words. The world is overflowing with your likes.

      And I thought Android winning? Yeah, the world is full of people who are not as dumb as you are. Deal with it.

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    54. Re:I just want the new Nexus. by war4peace · · Score: 1

      So... what can you do except ad-hominem attacks?

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    55. Re:I just want the new Nexus. by mick129 · · Score: 1

      Listen Apple, you didn't build a phone that people wanted

      Pretty funny considering the incredible demand.

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  2. Which begs the question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Who really gives a big flying fuck

    1. Re:Which begs the question by halivar · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Clearly, the AC who clicked the link to comment.

    2. Re:Which begs the question by frnic · · Score: 2

      Oh, about 500 million users.

  3. The outage by iMouse · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...that Samsung wishes they had.

    1. Re:The outage by ZiemowitC.Pierzycki · · Score: 1

      Samsung doesn't release one phone a year. They have a few flagships a year on top of others, so this wouldn't happen. When I ordered my Samsung Galaxy 5S, the Sprint website did go down. Also, it's pretty suspicious that a multi-billion company like Apple can't properly handle a product-launch ordering properly.

  4. Re:Android is Crushing Apple Phone Sales - NOT! by i+kan+reed · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This post is an interesting case in wrongness density.

  5. The iphone's latest demise. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I love how the ihaters around here croon the iphone's demise as each new device is launched.. And they each go on to smashing, record sales that beat the last one.

    The 5s was particularly funny. People bitched and moaned about nothing innovative. (Despite being the first mobile device with a 64bit arm cpu, and stands to be still for probably another good 8 months. That's almost 2 full years of apple leading an innovation that nobody else even had plans for at that point) - Oh, and that fingerprint scanner that turned out to be everyone's favorite feature. One button press secure unlock anyone?

    Yet, the 5s went to smash sales records even beyond apple's most optimistic expectations. Record breaking device sales in it's category.
    The 6 launch is looking to be even better.

    Do you know why I stick with the iphone line? It's easy. It's simple. It works. I don't have to fuck around with my phone. It's always there. Each time I get a new phone, all of my shit migrates over seamlessly. I still have songs, apps, notes, pictures from my original iphone.

    I build my own PCs. I love linux. I stick with the iphone because it's nice having something you don't have to fuck with to get it to work properly every once in a while.

    1. Re:The iphone's latest demise. by CastrTroy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't have an iPhone, but I kind of agree with this. A phone is a tool, it's not a toy that I want to play with and modify. I don't want to miss a call or not get an alarm because I installed some rogue firmware on my phone (I know people this has happened to because they're always installing different ROMs on their Android phone). I'm not saying that getting an iPhone is the only way to get this experience, but that I find that this is really the point of a phone. I wanted a toy to install software on and experiment with and crash and reboot all the time, there's plenty of devices out there that are cheaper and can do just that.

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    2. Re:The iphone's latest demise. by ganjadude · · Score: 2

      why should one have to use an accessory to make a phone call? and why would you consider that half assed work around to be a legit workaround??

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    3. Re:The iphone's latest demise. by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      And if you think "use a headset" is an acceptable workaround for fundamentally broken hardware, I wouldn't want to work for you anyway. I do quality work and I'm sure you wouldn't appreciate it.

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    4. Re:The iphone's latest demise. by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      I fall into the other camp. I want a computer in my pocket, something I can do whatever I want with, and if it happens to be able to make and receive phone calls once in a while, all the better.

      There are a lot like me.

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    5. Re:The iphone's latest demise. by Iniamyen · · Score: 1

      Did you forget to post anonymously? This is some weak trolling.

    6. Re:The iphone's latest demise. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      64 bit was just marketing wank. Have a look at comparison videos on YouTube between an iPhone 5s and a Nexus 5. For practical purposes like opening apps and navigating around them, opening files, making calls etc the Nexus is usually the same or slightly faster.

      That's how Apple always pitch to the faithful. Offer some technical feature that sounds amazing but actually does very little in practice.

      As for sales records, Apples own graphics show sales tapering off a bit.

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    7. Re:The iphone's latest demise. by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1
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    8. Re:The iphone's latest demise. by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but I think if you want to do that, a phone isn't a great device for doing that. Most are locked down in some way or another specifically to stop you from doing that. I'm not sure what device really suits that need. I'm not sure if there are enough people who truly want this experience for there to be a commercial product that offers this.

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    9. Re:The iphone's latest demise. by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      HTC devices not on AT&T's network (as they ask HTC to disable developer unlocking) suit that need just fine. The fact is that I need a phone, so my choices are carry 2 devices or make the phone do double duty. Carrying 2 devices means charging 2 devices and that doesn't work for me. Unless you're trying to tell me that what's been working for me for the past 4 years isn't a suitable solution, in which case I'd kindly ask you to bugger off.

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  6. Re:Is this why they call them "smart" phones? by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It won't, actually. Apple's prices don't drop in the middle of a cycle. It'll cost exactly the same in July of next year. In August, you may see carriers cut the prices to entice people to clear their existing stock.

  7. I just want the new Nexus. by slashdice · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's worse than that. The original iphone was 320 x 480. They went retina by doubling it - 640 x 960. No problem, you provide 2x images, everything works great. Then the elongated it to 640 x 1136. still pretty straightforward, though, 2x images with a bit more height. You may need to adjust your layout a bit but no major problems. But now the iphone 6 is 750 x 1334 and 1080 x 1920.

    It's like they somehow decided android's fragmentation was a competitive advantage! Oh, and now you provide 3x images and they get downsampled. It will not look as good. Full stop.

    Listen Apple, you didn't build a phone that people wanted, you built a phone that the press wanted. Not because they wanted it as a phone, but because they need to write stories about something. These are the same idiots that spent 20 years calling you beleaguered and taking bets on when you would go bankrupt. A larger phone won't do shit except change the narrative from "they need to release a larger phone" to "out of ideas and copying samsung"

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  8. Verzion had problems, too by davids-world.com · · Score: 1
    Woke up at 3am, and it took me 45 mins to place my order. The website was slow and produced some sort of error, which I later found out had to do with me having an employer discount (that makes zero difference for the purchase).

    If they actually ship Friday next week, I'd be surprised/delighted.

  9. Conspiracy theory by aNonnyMouseCowered · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Apple planned the outage to make the iFaithful salivate more and to prove to the tech press that demand is high.

    1. Re:Conspiracy theory by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      Also known as the Sony strategy.

    2. Re:Conspiracy theory by jittles · · Score: 1

      Apple planned the outage to make the iFaithful salivate more and to prove to the tech press that demand is high.

      Maybe. Apple sent out an email this morning letting people know that preorders were still available for next Friday delivery at 9am eastern time. So my guess is that, initially at least, their sales weren't as good as they hoped. Indeed, I ordered one just in case I decided I wanted one. If not, I'll set it for slightly above cost when it comes in.

    3. Re:Conspiracy theory by jittles · · Score: 1

      You do know the iPhone 6 will be the #1 selling phone this quarter, the 5s will be #2 (due to timing) and 6s will be #3 because of the limited delay. In the holiday quarter the 6s will be the #1 selling phone, the 6 will be #2 and the 5s will be #3.

      The email they sent out this morning is the same email they send out on the first day of pre-orders for every product launch. It has nothing at all to do with demand.

      I know that 9 hours into the pre-order they still had supply. That is unusual. Either they have more supply than normal, or the sales were not happening as fast as they expected. They are already on a 3-4 week backorder now. So it's not like they didn't sell out. But I know it will be the #1 selling phone for the quarter.

    4. Re:Conspiracy theory by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      I think it is the even number rush.
      The original iPhone (iPhone 2) Had a good demand on it.
      People gradually got the iPhone 3 and 3g (incremental improvements nothing show stopping)
      There was a big demand on the iPhone 4 (The higher res screen, and FaceTime)
      The iPhone 4S 5 and 5S were incremental improvements the bigger screen on the 5 is nice but not enough to get people off the 4.
      The iPhone 6 with a significantly larger screen means the people who have been hanging onto the 4 needs an upgrade.

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    5. Re:Conspiracy theory by Karlt1 · · Score: 1

      I think it is the even number rush.
      The original iPhone (iPhone 2) Had a good demand on it.
      People gradually got the iPhone 3 and 3g (incremental improvements nothing show stopping)
      There was a big demand on the iPhone 4 (The higher res screen, and FaceTime)
      The iPhone 4S 5 and 5S were incremental improvements the bigger screen on the 5 is nice but not enough to get people off the 4.
      The iPhone 6 with a significantly larger screen means the people who have been hanging onto the 4 needs an upgrade.

      [sarcasm]
      It's almost like someone in the US has a reason to buy a new phone every two years....what could possible cause this pattern?
      [/sarcasm]

    6. Re:Conspiracy theory by DocSavage64109 · · Score: 1

      Interestingly, Sprint seems to be releasing a $50/mo unlimited iphone plan that doesn't include the phone subsidy. It looks like a step in the right direction.

    7. Re:Conspiracy theory by MaryAnnEvans · · Score: 1

      Leaving money on the table for the sale of bragging "sold out" is a stupid and a losing strategy. And not one that Apple would be desperate enough to try - they don't need to as they have the best selling smartphone.

    8. Re:Conspiracy theory by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      You do know the iPhone 6 will be the #1 selling phone this quarter, the 5s will be #2 (due to timing) and 6s will be #3 because of the limited delay.

      Yep! And for every iPhone that Apple sells, Samsung will sell 2 to 3 smartphones...

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  10. Of course this means by DJCouchyCouch · · Score: 5, Funny

    Apple is doomed.

  11. Re:Dat Camera by CanHasDIY · · Score: 4, Funny

    The rear metal-rimmed camera is not flush with the case, so ironically it's not the iPhone screen getting scratched, it's every surface you lay your new iPhone down on.

    So, make sure you buy a stand so you don't accidentally set it on your gold-pressed latinum desk. Problem solved.

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  12. "Early adopters"? by X.25 · · Score: 2

    Is that how we need to call them, in order to be politically correct?

    Sigh.

    1. Re:"Early adopters"? by Torp · · Score: 1

      "Impatient kids"?
      And i say this as the owner of a few Apple devices... which i bought on my own schedule, not by queueing at launches.

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    2. Re:"Early adopters"? by Wovel · · Score: 1

      I ordered my iPad 2 on launch day and it was pretty painless. I was in China at the time so it was pretty easy to be awake for the US launch. I don't understanding waiting in line or even setting an alarm to wake up at 3:00 am.

    3. Re:"Early adopters"? by Skater · · Score: 2

      I ordered one this morning, because I can't wait to stop using my Samsung S3. The S3 was supposed to be an iPhone killer; instead, it killed my interest in Android.

    4. Re:"Early adopters"? by David_Hart · · Score: 1

      Is that how we need to call them, in order to be politically correct?

      Sigh.

      No, it's simply a misuse of the term. An early adopter is someone who is willing to take a risk on a completely new technology. The iPhone 6 is a new product not new technology.

      For example, people who bought the 2014 Sea Doo Spark jetski this year (like I did) would be considered early adopters because they are taking a chance on the all plastic hull design and it's durability. It's new technology and a new product category. However, someone buying the 2014 Sea-Doo GTX Limited 215 would not be considered an early adopter. All of the technology in the 215 already existed, they just tweaked it to produce a new product.

    5. Re:"Early adopters"? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I had an S3 and it was great. My brother upgraded to one from an iPhone too and never went back. What didn't you like about it?

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  13. Re:Dat Camera by ericloewe · · Score: 1

    That desk must wreak havoc on computer mice...

  14. Who the fuck by future+assassin · · Score: 1

    are these people who can't wait to fork over a 1/2-1/4 months wage every time a new phone comes out? Seriously wtf is wrong with them? Yah in high skool it was cool to be the first to have that Ice T/BDP/NWA tape or the first to have a new Nintendo/Sega game but those cost a pittance compared to a phone. At least with those you could listen and play with your friends, the phone is just a recluse device meant to keep people apart.

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    1. Re:Who the fuck by future+assassin · · Score: 1

      Riiiight those camping out all night make real money lol Ok you got me I believe what you say anonymous rich guy.

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    2. Re:Who the fuck by Dr.+Evil · · Score: 2

      The same people who are selling their iPhone 5 on eBay for 80% of its original price.

    3. Re:Who the fuck by Grizzley9 · · Score: 1

      You seem to think everyone of Apple's 500 million customers buy a new phone each time a new one comes out and that their children aren't getting any older to where they also might want an iPhone. I don't know anyone that buys a new iPhone each release even with carriers now pushing that (ATT Next and others). So what you are seeing is the result of only (~80/500) about 1/6 of Apples customers buying a new phone. Let alone the financing provided by the carriers make small monthly payments fairly reasonable for anyone that has a steady job.

    4. Re:Who the fuck by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      What idiot would buy a used phone with non-replaceable battery and unknown history on eBay when they can pay 20% more for a new one? Not just a new one, the latest version too, and with a warranty.

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    5. Re:Who the fuck by Dr.+Evil · · Score: 1

      Truth can be strange.

      http://aaplinvestors.net/stats/iphone/pricing/

      From that source, the iPhone 5s was $649 in Sep 2013. Expired auctions on ebay show the 16G 5s selling regularly on ebay for $500.

      People are still *paying* 80% of the value. Not sure why.

      I admit, I shouldn't have said "iPhone 5" though, it's older and going for $400.

    6. Re:Who the fuck by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      Riiiight those camping out all night make real money lol Ok you got me I believe what you say anonymous rich guy.

      The only people camping outside are people who want to promote their apps to the reporters interviewing the people who camp outside.

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  15. Re:Is this why they call them "smart" phones? by Wovel · · Score: 2

    I can sell my 5s for more than I paid for including the cost difference for buying it on contract....

  16. Can you explain how you migrate material over by aussersterne · · Score: 2

    seamlessly? I have family members asking me to help with their iPhones routinely, and this is always a nightmare.

    Is it just a matter of your having one stable iTunes installation over the entire period? Because the problem that I run into over and over again is that iCloud is either partial in its backing up and/or doesn't have enough space and thus doesn't back everything up, and they have invariably got a computer that's newer than their iPhone. As a result, their iPhone has never been backed up to iTunes, and when they ask me to help with a transition, I can't help them—iTunes simply offers to erase the phone when you plug it in since the phone predates the iTunes installation.

    So we end up having to do a phone side-by-side—check each item installed on the old phone, then install and position it again on the new phone, one-by-one. Takes hours, and some things (SMS messages) are just plain lost. I'd love to find a way to just migrate one iPhone to the next with a click, but so far I haven't found it—the only way to do this appears to be to have an iTunes installation that predates your original phone and to which the phone has been synchronized since it was new. Then you can restore the backup to the new phone. But if the iTunes installation is newer than old phone, as far as I can tell users are SOL for easy transitions.

    And most everyone I've helped to upgrade simply doesn't have this. Most of them don't even use iTunes at all.

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    1. Re:Can you explain how you migrate material over by Slider451 · · Score: 2

      It doesn't matter how old the phone, computer or iTunes installation is. Only the date of the backup matters. Just make sure to manually take a fresh backup of the old phone to iTunes before you setup the new one. (You should be running the latest versions of iOS and iTunes, too).

      I'm on my third iPhone and about to get my fourth. The setup and restore from the old backup has always worked without a hitch. That's one of the big reasons I've stayed with iOS devices despite the lure of Nexus and Galaxy. I hate the idea of the walled garden but its seamless transition to new devices is a narcotic I can't seem to quit.

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    2. Re:Can you explain how you migrate material over by wbo · · Score: 1

      iTunes simply offers to erase the phone when you plug it in since the phone predates the iTunes installation.

      iTunes can be a pain at times and it's interface can be difficult to navigate if you don't know what you are doing but it is possible to use it to backup a phone even if that phone was previously synced with another PC or installation of iTunes.

      iTunes will want to erase the phone (or any other iOS device for that matter) if you choose to synchronize the phone with the existing iTunes library on the PC, however that is not what you want to do.

      Instead, if you have iTunes configured to sync automatically - cancel the sync and then select the device and use the Backup option which will backup all of the apps, user data, and settings from the device - including SMS messages and voicemail messages (if your carrier has enhanced voicemail).

      Be sure to set it to encrypt the backup and set a passphrase on the backup - otherwise the backup will not include account usernames and passwords or data from apps that is marked as "high security". Beware that this can take quite a while if the user has a lot of apps or data on the phone but it will get pretty much everything as long as the backup is encrypted.

      That backup can then be restored to another iOS device running the same OS version or newer. (In a few limited cases you can restore to a device running an older version of iOS but this is generally not recommended and can cause some major problems. If needed, update the OS on the new device before restoring the backup.) Plug in the new device, select it in iTunes and select Restore from Backup.

      Restoring the backup will erase the target device in the process but after the process is complete the new device will be configured almost exactly like the previous device was.

  17. Re:Is this why they call them "smart" phones? by SternisheFan · · Score: 1, Troll
    And it's basically a two year old Nexus4.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

  18. Apple servers were fine.. by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    The Apple Store app started working well before the website did, say 30 minutes after the supposed launch...

    The early parts of selection worked fine, it was when you chose a carrier that things timed out.

    Once the website came up (about two and a half hours late) it was pretty speedy.

    So it was something around the carrier gateway that was the issue.

    The interesting aspect of that, was that people had no issue ordering from carriers directly that supported it (Verizon and AT&T were the two I knew people ordered from shortly after midnight Pacific)

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  19. Re:Instead a U2 Album, How About A Better Web Site by John+Bokma · · Score: 2

    They plan to ship 80 MILLION iPhone6(+) this year alone, so that's 1.25 USD/phone in cost to cover the album. Peanuts.

  20. Re:Instead a U2 Album, How About A Better Web Site by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

    Instead of spending a rumored $100 MILLION giving everyone a U2 album few want, ...

    I think it's $100 million for an advertising campaign. Giving everyone a U2 album is just one small part of it.

  21. Oh, but it does. You can't make a backup by aussersterne · · Score: 1

    if the computer + iTunes is newer than the phone. Try this:

    -> Plug a full, everyday-used iPhone that was backed up or set up on an old computer
    -> Into a new computer where it has never been backed up before

    What you will get is an option to erase the phone and start over. You will not get the option to back up the phone, and Apple says that's by design—the licensed content on the phone is tied to the iTunes installation where it was set up, and the license can't be associated with a new iTunes.

    Problem is that people that ask me for help have almost invariably either bought a new computer or reinstalled Windows since the time they set up their phone. So there is no way to create a backup—when you plug the phone in, you only get the option to erase the phone and set it up new.

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    1. Re:Oh, but it does. You can't make a backup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Incorrect.

      Install itunes then Authorize the computer. then let it sync the phone. it does NOT "erase the whole phone" it simply will delete and reload all the music and videos all the photos, camera videos, and contact info remains intact.

      Apps will be removed and reinstalled but the date for them will remain intact.

      Read the instructions, you will find you do things right when you do that. Instead of just assuming and bumbling your way through as if you knew what you were doing.

    2. Re:Oh, but it does. You can't make a backup by aussersterne · · Score: 1

      You can't backup everything that's on the phone.

      Your process sounds great to a technology-enabled person. But for mere humans?

      They don't remember their Apple ID password.
      They put in random answers to security questions for password recovery.
      Their email address has changed, their computer has changed, etc.
      They installed all that music, all those videos, and all those apps, like, a *year* ago or more. Who remembers how?

      "Can't you just copy everything from my old phone over to my new phone?"

      As you say, the process ends up being:

      Initialize the phone as new, to their current computer.
      Create a new Apple ID and sign them in.
      Install and position all the apps one by one by looking at their old phone as you hold it.
      Get ahold of all the music that they already bought in some other format so that they don't have to pay for it again.
      Give them the bad news about what can't be tracked down/reinstalled (apps no longer in app store, music that can't be found elsewhere without re-buying, etc.)

      I could have sworn that in a recent case, we lost all of SMS and she was upset about that, but may I'm remembering incorrectly. Still, the process is onerous.

      It pisses people off—"You mean I can't just move all of *my* stuff from my old phone to my new phone? Why do they call it an *upgrade?*"

      I'm not saying they're right. Sure, they should remember their passwords, take care of their online identities, etc.

      But the fact is that you cannot simply do this:

      1. Connect old iPhone to computer
      2. Back up full contents
      3. Connect new iPhone to computer
      4. Restore full contents

      I've been on to Apple a couple of times with people standing next to me while I try to act as an intermediary, and the people on the other end of the line end up just throwing their hands up, apologizing, and saying they can't help.

      To be fair, this isn't exactly easy on Android either. But it's slightly easier. And both platforms need to seriously work on it.

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    3. Re:Oh, but it does. You can't make a backup by turp182 · · Score: 1

      A couple of years ago a friend of mine plugged into my laptop to charge her iPhone, she clicked something with regards to the iTunes prompt (I had an iPhone so it was installed), and next thing we know 800 photos on her phone had been deleted but not backed up to my computer. I never figured out what she did, and she wouldn't connect to any computer but hers after that (she didn't synch/backup to iTunes on her computer, the phone was stand alone).

      I really enjoyed the iPhone experience (through iPhone 4). But I like to develop for Android, so that's where I'm at now. Nexus 5 owner. Battery life isn't that good, but I have wireless chargers at work, in my living room, my bedroom, and my kitchen. I just put it down wherever I'm at and it stays charged. There's are two more in my travel bag, ready to go (one for the hotel, one for the office).

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    4. Re:Oh, but it does. You can't make a backup by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      The people who ask you for help have a real problem - they actually believe you aren't full of shit. Not a single thing you claim is even remotely true.

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  22. Re:Is this why they call them "smart" phones? by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Oh please. I've seen that graphic, and it's obviously misleading. Yes, there are features that the Nexus 4 had years ago.

    One of them is a feature I don't even want, but I'm forced to get--a 4.7" screen. I really rather prefer a 3.5" or 4" screen.

    You can't ACTUALLY make payments with Nexus 4 because the tech is there but the infrastructure isn't. Ironically, Apple doing NFC payments may make it possible for someone to use that feature.

    And then (as per the article) there's Touch ID. And the 64-bit A8 (the A7 is still beating new phones on single-core benchmarks, sunspider, etc. even though it's a year old). I get a permissions system that isn't ridiculous and if I have a problem with the phone, I can take it into a store and have someone look at it. I don't have to send it back for service, or talk to the carrier.

    Oh, and the Nexus 4 has famously bad battery life. I borrowed one for a while from a friend to try it out, and I could lose 60% of the battery in two hours while it was sitting in a locker while I was swimming. My venerable iPhone 4 would lose 0-2% in the same time frame.

    These graphics are just elaborate trolling--you and I both know that the Nexus 4 wasn't actually any more usable than the iPhone 5 at the time, and it's obviously not even on the same page right now. The devices are getting closer and closer to parity, but that's not actually surprising to anyone except the most bitter partisans.

  23. Re:Muppets by Lumpy · · Score: 2

    No that term is reserved for most Android owners and reviewers

    And yes I was a sheep like moron for buying an HTC phone... the M8 is the worst android phone ever made.

    All the morons all over the sites for a year hyping on how it's SOOOOOOOO AWESOME...... when in reality 99% of android reviews are made by people that have never touched the damn device.

    My fault for straying from a google play nexus.

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  24. I doubt your doubt by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Only an idiot holds back physical inventory when they can sell it easily.

    Apple doesn't need more press or hype; it already has those. They simply sell as many units as they can make.

    If your "theory" is correct, then why do shipping times gradually get longer as more orders are made? If your "theory" is correct, why would the 6Plus ship a week after the 6 even for the earliest adopters?

    Whatever happened to the belief that the simplest answer is usually true...

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    1. Re:I doubt your doubt by ericloewe · · Score: 1

      Who said anything about holding stock back?

      It's as simple as launching before there's enough stock for a reasonable launch. Let's not forget some suppliers where complaining of a very late design change to the screen.

      And they do need the hype - they have a large portion of customers who are more likely to be repeat customers if they're gently pushed to upgrade instead of waiting.

      Your doubts have no substance. The questions you asked have many possible answers - both in favor and against an artificial scarcity.

    2. Re:I doubt your doubt by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      And they do need the hype - they have a large portion of customers who are more likely to be repeat customers if they're gently pushed to upgrade instead of waiting.

      You misunderstand, they don't need the hype not because hype is not useful, but because there is already boatloads of it. The amount of hype from "iPhone Plus sold out" is minuscule compared to already existing hype from all other vectors; it adds zero to the push to upgrade compared to months of relentless news about the iPhone 6 beforehand.

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  25. Battery Length by DarthVain · · Score: 1

    It is a pretty big deal. I have a Galaxy S3 which I like. To me it really only has one downside. That big screen chows down on battery power pretty fast when you are actually using it for anything. As such the battery length isn't great. It is mitigated a bit by the fact that you can pop out a used battery and pop in a charged one and you are ready to go.

    If Apply managed to not only increase screen sized AND increase battery length, that is a pretty primary feature. However you are probably still stuck with the single battery.

    1. Re:Battery Length by SternisheFan · · Score: 1

      First thing I did when I got my S3 was get a double sized battery (2900mAh) from Amazon. Hell, for $40 you can get a 7000mAh for it. http://www.amazon.com/warranty...

  26. Re:Is this why they call them "smart" phones? by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As a bitter partisan, I'd hate to say that the things that Apple is playing "catchup" on are things that by getting right now, they don't have to worry about everything going to hell later.

    For instance, how iOS implements third party keyboards is that the keyboard itself is sandboxed away from the rest of the running process. In comparison, on Android, keyboards are basically key loggers running onto of the current running process.

    Intents vs Plugins? Similar.

    see: http://arstechnica.com/apple/2...

    There were reports that Swiftkey was going to be announced for iOS 7, funny enough, as a third party keyboard. However, it seems like all of the XPC stuff Apple has been doing, Google has a LOT to catch up on. Apple now just has the low hanging fruit.

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  27. Re:Is this why they call them "smart" phones? by itsenrique · · Score: 1

    Thats a crazy statement about the battery. That was a defective battery/unit. I had N4 for almost 2 years and it *never* had battery problems anything like you are describing. Not as good as the iphone though, that is definitely true.

  28. Re:Is this why they call them "smart" phones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Almost all the "partners" Apple announced already take Google Wallet.

    Google Wallet, ISIS, and Apple Pay will be using the same infrastructure. Apple isnt buying anyone any infrastructure. The card makers and banks are requiring upgrades in 2015, so Apple's timing was just strategic. Dont pretend this was something the godly Apple finally brought to the masses.

    Yes, there are features that the Nexus 4 had years ago.

    So, you concede the point he was making with that comparison? Good.

    Oh, and the Nexus 4 has famously bad battery life. I borrowed one for a while from a friend to try it out.... it was sitting in a locker while I was swimming

    Right the friend borrow and put in a locker metric. Good benchmark, that.

    These graphics are just elaborate trolling

    No, this are pretty straight up basic trolling, there is nothing elaborate going on here. Ron is an idiot in the Android world too. But you are only getting made because he's right here. Even though it's not the whole picture, nothing he said was a lie. The N4 has a lot of the features Apple is touting as "new".

    My venerable iPhone 4

    What kind of complete tool do you have to be to call your choice in phones "venerable"?

  29. Re:Dat Camera by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    The rear metal-rimmed camera is not flush with the case

    Only true on the 6Plus, not the 6.

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  30. Re:Is this why they call them "smart" phones? by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 1

    We have that here, too; I've got a CDN $50 limit. No fear, I know the USA isn't the world. :)

  31. Re:Is this why they call them "smart" phones? by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 1

    It probably wasn't; the phone was wiped before I got it, and I downloaded almost nothing. I suppose it's possible that it was--what, twitter? I guess?--or something, but there was almost nothing running on the phone. I checked the battery manager, and it just showed a monotonic decrease in battery.

  32. Haters gonna hate. by Uberbah · · Score: 2

    You could write the same article comparing an Android to a 20 year old Newton.

    1. Re:Haters gonna hate. by SternisheFan · · Score: 1

      Not a 'hater'. I don't give a fluck what you use. Pay $800 for something that does the same thing as one that costs $200, that's your choice.

  33. Re:Is this why they call them "smart" phones? by rjstanford · · Score: 1

    Thanks, that's a useful summary/contrast between the two models, especially the second page.

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  34. Re:Is this why they call them "smart" phones? by SternisheFan · · Score: 1

    Apple's finally gotten around to playing catch up. Look, these phones, apple or android, are all just mini-computers with antennas that run apps. You're happy with overpaying for an apple phone, I'm happy with a capable android that has a replaceable battery/sd card. Got a double sized battery for it, have the original battery as a backup. And like you say, closer to parity. Whatever floats your boat.

  35. Re:Is this why they call them "smart" phones? by SternisheFan · · Score: 1

    I can sell my 5s for more than I paid for including the cost difference for buying it on contract....

    Yep, bet you can. Lot of suckers out there. Shame on you.

  36. Re:Is this why they call them "smart" phones? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    The classic fanboy response to features he doesn't have: "yeah, but I don't want it!"

    You should be thanking Google. The only reason you can make payments now is that they pushed it out years ago and built up the infrastructure. The battery on the Nexus 4 is fine, and easy to replace. The 64 bit CPU in the iPhone doesn't seem to have made it any faster than a Nexus 5 anyway: http://youtu.be/vZjurCN521U

    Explain why it's often slower than a phone costing half as much and with so many more features. While technically interesting in most cases 64 bit is just a gimmick, and even in games the main reason for better performance is the low resolution retina screen.

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  37. Re:Is this why they call them "smart" phones? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    Any keyboard is a keylogger. That's what keyboards do - log the keys you press and report them to the OS or app.

    Intents are not the same thing as plugins, you can't compare them.

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  38. Case in point by Uberbah · · Score: 1

    Pay $800 for something that does the same thing as one that costs $200, that's your choice.

    Pay $800 for an Android that does the same thing as a 25 year old PDA.

    I don't give a fluck what you use.

    Which you demonstrate by....complaining about what other people use.

  39. Re:Is this why they call them "smart" phones? by strikethree · · Score: 1

    Oh, and the Nexus 4 has famously bad battery life. I borrowed one for a while from a friend to try it out, and I could lose 60% of the battery in two hours while it was sitting in a locker while I was swimming. My venerable iPhone 4 would lose 0-2% in the same time frame.

    Odd. I have a Nexus 4 (using my Nexus 5 now though) and I had exceedingly good battery life from it. Much better than the Galaxy Note and other Galaxy versions (and iPhones) that I have owned. To be quite frank, it was the best battery life I had ever experienced up until I started using my Nexus 5.

    At the end of the day, I usually had at least 40% battery left. With the various Galaxy and iPhone devices I have used, it was usually closer to 10%. If you are getting poor battery life out of a Nexus 4, you either have an app installed (Facebook?) that is sucking the life out of it or you just have a phone with a bad battery.

    In short, show me the "famously" part of your claim.

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  40. Re:Is this why they call them "smart" phones? by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

    it's about how aware to the rest of the system any given thread is to the rest of it. Android's implementation of keyboards is incredibly unsafe.

    As far as intents vs iOS extensions go, you're right, but the reason why is that Android doesn't do much of anything to keep things playing cleanly.

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