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Ireland Votes Yes To Same-Sex Marriage
BarbaraHudson writes: Reuters is reporting that the citizens of Ireland voted overwhelmingly to legalize same-sex marriages. While it's also legal in 19 other countries, Ireland was the first to decide this by putting the question to the citizens. "This has really touched a nerve in Ireland," Equality Minister Aodhan O'Riordain said at the main count center in Dublin. "It's a very strong message to every LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender) young person in Ireland and every LGBT young person in the world." Observers say the loss of moral authority of the Catholic church after a series of sex scandals was a strong contributing factor, with priests limiting their appeals to the people sitting in their pews. In contrast, the "Yes" side dominated social media.
There are exactly 0 valid reasons why gay couples shouldn't be allowed to get married, that's it, zero reasons, as in absolutely none. Any country or region which bans gay marriage or has to ask if it should be allowed it just a bunch of uncivilized hicks who need to grow up. Marriage is a union of two people who love each other and that is all it is, period. It's not a milestone when gay marriage get "approved" it's really just , "About time", and for anyone who doesn't think gay marriage should be legal, again go back to the 0 valid points. If you really think you can make one, go ahead, you'd be the first person in human history to do so.
Finally Patrick Fitzgerald and Gerald Fitzpatrick a can get married.
This is how organized religion dies -- to thunderous applause.
As they fade into irrelevance day after day, and people discover that they actually value the freedoms their churches have been suppressing, I expect people will abandon them at an even faster pace.
John
And you can't be arsed to hide the sections you don't want to see? Don't let the mouse bite you when you click 'log out'.
I guess you failed to notice the last sentence - the growing influence of social media allowed the YES side to publicly show that there was a lot of support, as opposed to the church just preaching to the choir.
If people don't know that others feel the same way they do, they're less likely to express their own views. Thanks to the Internet, those days are gone. Just another way that tech is affecting our society, so it IS news for nerds, stuff that matters.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
If you're wondering, the tie-in to technology is 'social media.'
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Unfortunately for you a goat is not a legal entity, and also doesn't have the ability to understand the question (do you take this person?), nor answer it.
So, sorry, you won't be able to do that. At least not until goats evolve sufficiently.
A Sudanese man has been forced to take a goat as his "wife", after he was caught having sex with the animal.
The goat's owner, Mr Alifi, said he surprised the man with his goat and took him to a council of elders.
They ordered the man, Mr Tombe, to pay a dowry of 15,000 Sudanese dinars ($50) to Mr Alifi.
"We have given him the goat, and as far as we know they are still together," Mr Alifi said.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Kind of like how every patent is new if you add "WITH A COMPUTER" to it.
How can we continue to believe in a just universe and freedom to eat crackers if we have no ale?
Yeah. Usually I prefer a better tie-in to technology.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
The graciousness and politeness of the losing side. Their statements of congratulations are certainly not what you'd see from the religious right here in the U.S.
Ireland still outlaws abortion, in practice even in cases where there is medical necessity such that women have been denied life saving treatment and been killed.
If 10% of people are gay, then this impacts 10% of nerds. I don't run Apache, but I don't bitch when they put an Apache story on the front page. Get over it.
John
A lot of nerds care about this stuff...
And don't forget that they endorse Mike Huckabee, whose own followers are castigating him for defending the indefensible.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Only the CEO.
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Since their constitution is also written in Gaelic, they got the grammar wrong on the first draft then corrected it. It stated that ONLY same-sex couples could get married.
And right on time, the contingent from 8chan is heard from.
You might want to look up Matthew 18:6. It sure sounds to me like Jesus had some idea of what to do with people who mess with kids. Although I think dismemberment might be a little extreme.
You are welcome on my lawn.
If the emphasis were truly on the social media aspect of it, wouldn't the title be "Social Media a Significant Factor in Ireland's Approving Same-Sex Marriage" and then discuss the social media aspect more than an off-handed mention in the last sentence? All I see is an article talking about something political/religious happening in Ireland.
If 10% of people are gay, then this impacts 10% of nerds.
Less than 3 percent of the U.S. population identify themselves as gay, lesbian or bisexual, based on Center for Disease Control and Prevention first large-scale government survey measuring Americans’ sexual orientation - source. There are more "nerds" effected by their baseball team losing a game, should Slashdot report baseball results?
I don't run Apache, but I don't bitch when they put an Apache story on the front page.
Is this a good analogy for "nerd" stories and this story? And what about my baseball team's results?
Get over it.
What i can not "get over" is that i made a comment in this "NON-nerd" pseydo-"discussion" (in which only certain opinions are allowed...) that has been modded down because... you know why! So, it is not only a NON-nerd story, but you have to be a "team's supporter" to participate...
Antisthenes: "Wisdom begins by examining the words/names." - excuse my English, i am (slightly...) better with my Greek!
Even if homosexuality were a disease, I still wouldn't trust the CDC to tell me what percentage of the population had it. And it isn't one.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Even if homosexuality were a disease, I still wouldn't trust the CDC to tell me what percentage of the population had it. And it isn't one.
I have many other sources (from USA, UK, Europe) that put the number of gays, lesbians or bisexuals to what the Center for Disease Control and Prevention reports: less that 3% - i posted that as a source because it is the most offical i think (by the way, this "Center for Disease Control and Prevention" studies and reports about many things, don't get upset by the name - i avoided to express my opinion about homosexuality in that comment, i will do the same in this, but if you are interested i already did it here... but it is already modded as "flamebait", so...)
Antisthenes: "Wisdom begins by examining the words/names." - excuse my English, i am (slightly...) better with my Greek!
I've always said I was a Lesbian trapped in a man's body.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Uh. There are Nerds that are gay. This is big news for them.
If you don't like it, no one made you read it. No one made you click reply. No one made you type. No one made you hit preview. No one made you hit submit.... Or is this one of those "If we allow gays, they might spread gayness" things? Did the gays make you hit reply?
When you say you don't like LGBT and "t", I would ask these questions, with specific application to transsexuals such as myself:
1. How do you justify that don't you like someone you never even met?
2. Transsexualism is a medical condition. Why should I go against the advice of 5 psychiatrists, a psychologist, and my endocrinologist? I am not a doctor, so I defer to their judgment.
3. Why shouldn't I continue to preserve my civil rights, and speak up for those who aren't so lucky?
4.LGBTIt have always supported the right of churches to regulate who they marry IN THEIR CHURCH - just please don't impose your beliefs on either those churches who do perform LGBTIt marriages or on individuals who want a civil marriage. That's the law here, and there are zero problems with it. Why do you believe the fear-mongerers who claim that we want to force churches to marry those who do not share your beliefs? In other words, [citation required]. Among the 20 countries that support same-sex marriage, please list those that force churches to perform same-sex marriages.
5. My civil rights as a transsexual include the right not to be discriminated on based on either my former or current gender. I've had to take offenders to task before a tribunal twice just in the last year to ensure my civil rights are respected. Why should I believe that your religion is more important to me than my civil rights?
6. Why should I repent for a medical condition with an internationally-recognized treatment that is, in fact, recognized by many religions?
7. When you write:
As a person of religion that has civil rights to decide about such issues i want to advise LBGTt people to stop being so irresponsible when demand their rights: civil unions is your civil right, I support it - having sex with Jesus is not! Please stop suppressing my right to religion.... everyone will benefit from that
7.1 Why is it irresponsible to demand that every member of society have the same rights?
7.2 You wrote "Having sex with Jesus" ??? WTF ??? Who has asked for that?
7.3 Who is suppressing your right to believe in your religion? Who among the LGBTt is saying that religious belief is a thought crime?
7.4 Why do you insist on the right to impose your religious beliefs on others who do not believe as you do?
7.5 If you don't respect their beliefs, why should they obey yours?
8. If the influence of the church is dying (and today's vote proves it), isn't that the fault of it's members and their leadership? Why are you blaming others, who just want to live their lives, for your deficiencies?
9. Where in the bible does it say that transsexuality is a sin (do not refer to cross-dressing in Leviticus - it's not the same thing - and it insults both)?
10. You say you like slashdot sigs, but you don't like mine, which is my slashdot sig. How do you explain this apparent contradiction and why should I care? I'm "paying it forward" for the women who went before me to allow me to have my rights, which includes my sig. Seriously, why should I care whether YOU like it or not? Why don't you do like Jesus said: "If thine eye offends thee, pluck it out?"
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Why do you think they aren't?
Because that's where they live, dumbass. Same reason why you spent more time dealing with the laws where you live than what they are in Bumbfuckistan.
That title would have been too long. I like my title better. A title should not be an entire summary, just enough to catch the reader's interest. Also, what's wrong with describing how social media contributed to the referendum AFTER describing the referendum? You know, giving context?
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Is there anything creepier than using the Bible to explain why child molestation isn't really all that bad?
Considering the fragmented way the Bible came into being, "context" varies from verse to verse.
Here is the text of Matthew 18:6:
Now, the word that's translated here as "sin" is actually "skandalizo" (Greek): to “scandalize”;to entrap, that is, trip up (figuratively stumble [transitively] or entice to sin, apostasy or displeasure): - (make to) offend.
So I'm sorry, there is no "context" about that verse that makes it any less about scumbags who would mess with kids.
You are welcome on my lawn.
Hopefully, this will lead to other countries, including the U.S., doing the same thing
I can't for the life of me figure out why I should give a rat's ass if two particular adults want to marry each other, as long as they're not biologically related. As Jefferson would say, it neither breaks my leg nor picks my pocket.
The people who should really be happy about this are the lawyers. More divorces and custody cases for them.
This is good news but has nothing to do with technology. Why is this here?
Dan Bunten (a name that old-school gamers may recognize) asked that after regretting his MtF transition. Couldn't he have expressed his feminine side without taking an extreme measure that turned his life into a wreck?
Circumcision is child abuse.
At 1st I misread the notnewsfornerd! as a fnord! http://www.rawilson.com/illumi... :/
come on, begin gay or lesbian is often a bit nerdy. Church-lady types approve of neither science nor sex, and certainly not non-standard-issue sexual attractions.
In the original, yeah, kind of a scumbag.
He was much nicer in the sequel when they had the dude with the long hair and beard play Him. I think it was Jared Leto.
You are welcome on my lawn.
A lot of us care about video games, but Slashdot decided to toss us to the wolves last year.
And the worst part is, all that both the man and the goat wanted was a zipless one-night stand . . . .
What's wrong with 2 biologically related gay people marrying?
That's just saying that an adult that causes a child to sin is condemned (presumably to Hell). It's not specifically about child molestation, and it doesn't really condemn doing anything to children (other than leading them to sin). If a person rapes a child, does the child sin? I can't see how.
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I'm not an expert on writing titles, but the point of the one I offered was that it actually mentions technology. What you say about catching people's interest actually means that you should find a way to make nerds care about it, given the site we're on. Also, doing a word count shows that the sentence talking about social media is only 6% of the summary. That means that you read a title having nothing to do with technology, then read the vast majority of the summary and still see nothing even slightly regarding technology. What kind of tech news do you think that is?
Marriage is between a man and a woman. Marriage is between two individuals. Marriage is for those traditionalists. Marriage is so "old schools". What is Marriage? We just have sex here and there but no commitment anywhere.
I would say, judging on the number of comments alone (it beats anything else within the last 48 hours, even though it was posted less than 24 hours ago) that my shorter title has empirically been proven to be more effective than the longer titles in other stories, and nerds do care about it.
The simple fact is that the Internet was part of what made this vote go the way it did.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Obviously others disagree with you - just look how many comments it has compared to my story about turning red blood cells into neuron cells - which is undoubtedly biotech.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
So Gerald Fitzpatrick and Patrick Fitzgerald can now finally get married? They don't call them "Gaelics" for nothing!
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
Refusing to grant same-sex couples the same legal status as other couples is blatant discrimination against the children of same-sex couples, of which their are many, regardless of whether or not you consider them "natural". Eliminating this discrimination is a fundamental civil rights issue. Yes, we probably should have a discussion regarding whether or not all the legal advantages conferred with the legal status of marriage are appropriate, but it appears obvious that you can't grant rights to some families while denying those same rights to other families -- that flies against the basic principles upon which our nation (USA) was founded. Is Ireland different? There the state has traditionally deferred to the church in ways that make uncomfortable those of us that believe in the principle of separation of church and state, but I believe the same civil rights arguments apply universally.
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
Precisely how does it discriminate against children to limit marriage status to heterosexuals? Children can still inherit from their parents. Children can still be loved by them. Frankly, the state has no purpose - no skin in the game, if marriage is just about romantic feelings or sexual acts. Everything that the state has an interest in pertaining to whether a couple stays together or not (and thereby incentivizing it through the promotion of marital status) has to do with the offspring of that couple. There is no scientifically sound evidence that homosexuals raising children do not harm those children. The only studies that conclude otherwise have been convenience samples, snowball samples or a combination of both and those studies are subject to a number of biases that render them unreliable and likely invalid - social desirability bias, ascertainment (sampling) bias - including self-selection bias, pre-screening bias and geographic sampling bias (for instance, including only subjects in a small urban area).
Everything that we know about child rearing and homosexual relationships (particularly male-male relationships) stand against the concept that children are just as well off being raised by homosexuals. Homosexual relationships are less stable (both MSM and FSF) which is a huge factor for the mental health of children, homosexual relationships are often if not usually polyamorous, they lack role models of the opposite sex, children raised by same-sex couples are FAR more likely to choose that lifestyle for themselves (which itself lends one to think that homosexuality is more culture than biology) and if those children become homosexual they will be far more likely to engage in risky sexual practices, abuse drugs, be at risk of suicide and other psychological issues, have STDs and have a shortened lifespan (for instance, when you include the various risk factors - suicide, drug use, STDs, depression and anxiety, etc, the average lifespan of the male homosexual is reduced by about 20 years as compared with lifespan of a heterosexual (which is roughly equivalent to the years lost from being BOTH a lifelong smoker (10 years lost) and being morbidly obese with a BMI >45 (8-13 years lost)).
We need to look at the actual science - not just go blindly into making a dramatic societal change without knowing the consequences.
Goats.ex
Baaah - that's for after they divorce :-)
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.