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German Publisher Axel Springer Bans Adblocking Users From Bild Website (axelspringer.de)

An anonymous reader writes: Major European publishing house Axel Springer has instituted countermeasures against users who employ adblocking software on its Bild news outlet, which represents a daily publication with a print circulation of 2.5 million. The website now presents readers with a request to either turn off the adblocking or pay a €2.99 monthly subscription fee. In a statement the company insists that online journalism must be funded by one of the 'two known revenue pillars' — advertising or sales.

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  1. Isn't this a no brainer? by iapetus · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's why I don't use ad blocking software or disable ads on Slashdot.

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    1. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And it's why I do.

    2. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by Mashiki · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's why I don't use ad blocking software or disable ads on Slashdot.

      Most people wouldn't use ad blocking if the advertisers didn't allow malware laden ads be served to their PC's turning them into mindless drones for a botnet. They could fix that problem easily by turning around and vetting ads. Or if the ads weren't so obtrusive and annoying either. Bet we'll see within 3 months that they're reversing this stance, or within a year it shuts down.

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    3. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's a no brainer to block all ads and adblock-detecting scripts as well. I went there and could access all normal content with uBlock + noscript.

    4. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by tiberus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Not using an ad-blocker but, I have noticed that the ads have become much more intrusive lately, so I happily disable ads whenever I can. As the disable feature was instituted by /. and a user must contribute (in what the community deems) in a positive manner, I have no qualms about using the feature. I can't imagine the "Good Folks (tm)" at /. biting the hand that feeds them. I strongly suspect that the positive effect of those users posts far outweighs any 'lost' revenue.

    5. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      exactly, adblock has become more important that antivirus

    6. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Nope. Evolve or die... Oh and you can take your ads with you while letting the door hit you on the way out. #NoSympathy

    7. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      To be honest, I think it has more to do with page load times for most. The ads might be intrusive, but now with adblocking on my iPad pages load quickly, even with spotty Internet. The bidding game the advertisers were playing is a big part of their downfall.

      The tracking does have its "creepy" factor, with ads following you from site to site... Despite having already made whatever purchase was under consideration.

    8. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      If Bild doesn't find a way to pay for its expenses it will shut down anyway. So will other sites. Ads or sales or shut down.

    9. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      If Bild doesn't find a way to pay for its expenses it will shut down anyway. So will other sites. Ads or sales or shut down.

      The bandwidth costs of getting the ads to the viewer, all the way from their server to my phone, should be part of their expenses.

      Then they charge the advertisers enough to cover that expense.

      Advertiser pays.

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    10. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by grub · · Score: 2

      I am able to see it fine with uMatrix and disabling javascript from code.bildstatic.de. Looking at the Playboy story now Mmm... boobies.

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    11. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      The bandwidth costs of getting the ads to the viewer, all the way from their server to my phone, should be part of their expenses.

      Then they charge the advertisers enough to cover that expense.

      That certainly would reduce the heavy ads.

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    12. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by TWX · · Score: 1

      I changed-out my home consumer-grade broadband router with something a little more stout and I had forgotten how many of the mainstream ad servers I'd manually blocked by hostname. It was an eyeopener when browsing on my cell phone. The PCs all adblock but I'm still using that pre-Chrome browser on my phone, so no ad-blocking unless the masquerading gateway does it for me.

      If ads were simple images in-line between the text I would probably not block them. Otherwise I have no reason to let them through.

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    13. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by Gr8Apes · · Score: 5, Informative

      The biggest issue with their ads is that I don't ever click on them even if I see them. I'm the "don't look for something until I need it, then I buy it" kind of person. So, let's say I'm looking for a chair. I'll do my research, and likely purchase a chair in a day. That's before the ad network gets updated. What's hilarious is the ads are showing me the chair I bought (creepy yes) but that chair is no longer of interest to me for purchase. And it continues doing so for the next month or more. Almost all my purchases are done this way, as that allows for strong budgeting.

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    14. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by beakerMeep · · Score: 1

      They will never be able to vet all the ads. I used to work for a major news website and the Ad Ops people there were always swamped. They also only knew a bit of HTML. There is no way they will be reading all that minified javascript.

      The only way to prevent malware from occasionally slipping through the cracks would be to remove scripting.

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    15. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by Grishnakh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm not trying to be a Google shill here, but this is exactly why I like Google's ads (or rather, liked, back when they were more obviously ads on the right side of the search results). If I'm looking for something, I might do a Google search for it; if one of the AdWords ads shows up, as a small text-only ad, and it's exactly the thing I'm looking for, that's a good thing IMO. I guess this is called "targeted advertising", and IMO it's the best kind. If I'm explicitly searching for something, or have some kind of problem I'm Googling for an answer to, having a small,text-only ad pop up with a product that solves my problem is a big help.

    16. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by Anna+Merikin · · Score: 1

      I don't use an ad blocker at all; I use a tracker blocker. If Bild doesn't have a tracker, it can feed me ads, if I go there, which I have never done, BTW.

      Ghostery, the plugin i use, winds up killing most of the ads, anyway, but I have no bad conscience about blocking those who would track me even if "do not track" is enabled.

      End of Story!

    17. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And the obvious answer for sites like Bild is to stop allowing ads which use scripting. That's what we use ad blockers for now. If they want all their ads visible, they need to work with their advertisers. Or find another revenue source.

    18. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This is a large part of the problem. It annoys me to see stuff I bought days/months ago plastered all over Amazon for example...

      Getting blasted with ads is normally either irrelevant stuff... or stuff I've already bought.

    19. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 1

      That would be awesome. Unfortunately, I haven't seen any of these commercial shit sites shut down yet. :(

    20. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Precisely. I don't use an ad blocker. I use a script blocker. All of the crap that gets dragged in by a modern site is somewhat mind boggling.

      There is no way for ANY ONE to vouch for the safety of all of that.

      Stop whining news media. Solve the underlying problem.

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    21. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by myowntrueself · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's why I don't use ad blocking software or disable ads on Slashdot.

      Imagine if, as you walk along a street in downtown the small shops, which depend on advertising (right?) have these little boards outside their shops with some advertising. Actually this is pretty normal in most places.

      Now imagine you have to pay to walk down the street in downtown, a small fee which goes toward maintaining these advertising boards.
      Now imagine if you accidentally touch one of these advertising boards theres a chance you'll get infected with the flu.
      Now imagine instead of flu sometimes its zombie plague.

      Thats what Internet advertising is like.

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    22. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by DahGhostfacedFiddlah · · Score: 2

      TBH, my biggest beef with ads is their blinkiness. I don't mind static images, but I can't concentrate on an article when it's surrounded by blinky seizure-inducing ads.

    23. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure either, as purchasing is usually something I do as a focused action. I make the decision to buy it, and then I do 1 of 2 things: I purchase it or I put a filter into my RSS reader to highlight sales on it.

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    24. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The internet wasn't devised as a revenue generating platform, just because you usurped it so doesn't give you a right to my eyeballs nor to demand payola for your content. Don't like it, tough shit.

    25. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      And what in the world is up with the new "Popover Autoplay Movie Ads", especially displaying on my DATA restricted smartphone? IMHO it is "How to piss off your potential customers"

      All I do is kill the page, go and try to find something else similar from another site that isn't trying so hard to hijack my phone.

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    26. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Of course, for the price of a nice Zeiss mechanical focus lens you can buy three Nikon/Canon/ Whatever lenses and let them break.

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    27. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They will never be able to vet all the ads.

      So do it the sensible way, only show ads you have vetted. When (not if) a complaint comes in related to an advertisement, remove that one from the rotation to re-examine it.

      If the web site administrators would show some effort to maintain a quality web site, we wouldn't have to block parts of pages for our own safety.

      I have seen pages that actually do this, and their ads tend to show up even with adblockers because they are hosting the ads on their own servers and using a server-side script to decide which one to display/link each time a page loads. As far as adblockers see, it's all static HTML, just that it changes slightly each visit. If a guy trying to get some money from his hobby can do it right, a company with dedicated website administrators (yes, plural) should be able to manage it.

    28. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      No, it's more like having somebody move the boards in front of you as you are walking. And if that doesn't work, they throw the advert at you.

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    29. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by Gliscameria · · Score: 1

      I ad to disable ads on sd because once in a while they were quite loud. You can't have sidebar ads that scream at you randomly.

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    30. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah, while the OP was probably being sarcastic, I actually did have adblock disabled on slashdot, and did not use the disable advertising option, until I got one of those popover autoplay ads here. Now slashdot is adblocked on my work machine, and the rest will probably follow. How can anyone possibly not realise that that is going to be fucking annoying?

    31. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      A no-brainer for Dinosaurs! Welcome to the 21st century where THEY have to compete for our eyeballs (unless you're an inside tech/industry rag). If I can't browse a site hassle free, I find a new site. Competition is forcing the cream to rise to the top and these dinosaurs who want to paywall what you could essentially scrum off the bottom of your boot are going the way of the dodo.

    32. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 2

      To be honest, I think it has more to do with page load times for most. The ads might be intrusive, but now with adblocking on my iPad pages load quickly, even with spotty Internet.

      The tracking does have its "creepy" factor, with ads following you from site to site... Despite having already made whatever purchase was under consideration.

      Exactly.

      The speed-up in load time is incredible with an ad-blocker. That alone justifies using one in my mind.
      The protection against malware is another 100% stand-alone justification to me.

      And finally, yes, the creepy tracking that is utterly worthless. I want to buy a widget, so I go to Amazon and buy one. And then for months every site I visit is filled to the gills with fucking widget ads. HELLO- I already bought my widget, I'm not going to buy another one. I'm already done and yet there's no feedback to the advertisers- they're too dumb to know that I bought my widget already.

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    33. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      exactly, adblock has become more important that antivirus

      If all you're using is an ad blocker, then you're still exposed to malicious scripts on sites which aren't in their "Ad Hosts" blacklist.
      I don't use ad block, or any ad blockers. I use script blockers for protection, which has the side effect of also blocking most ads. Sites which use safe forms of ads, such as static images, will still get through.

      If more people used script blocking instead of ad site blacklisting, they would not only be safer, but it would encourage advertisers to move away from the dangerous delivery mechanisms. The sad truth is that sites need ad revenue to function in most cases, and if we don't come to some sort of common ground on the issue then the result will be pay-walls, or even worse, a requirement to "Use Our App" to view sites.

      tl;dr - Don't Ad Block.... instead, Script Block.

    34. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yep, you'll be sitting in that chair for weeks or months while they're still trying to sell you one.

      Personally I find it hilarious. I sometimes go to Amazon and browse the infant stuff (formula, highchairs, strollers, cribs, etc) and then sit back and watch as the ads for that stuff follows me around the web for a month or two. Lol, it must really confound their metrics and ad data. And I've never even bought a child! :)

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    35. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1
    36. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by jfengel · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Most ads aren't aimed at getting you to click on them and make a purchase. The goal of an ad is to put a concept in your mind. The purest form of this are the political yard signs. Nobody thinks, "I saw 90 signs for Bob and 110 signs for Mike; therefore I will vote for Mike." But people do respond to pressures like that; it creates biases and impressions that they don't even realize.

      Even when you do your research, you are influenced by these. Most of the time, your research is going to be inconclusive. There isn't any "best chair"; at best, it's a matter of personal taste. Most products, from canned peaches to computers, will end up having similar specifications, but you'll have a preference because you like the flavor of this brand or the you had a good experience with that computer in the past.

      Advertising helps put those ideas in your head. Just seeing it in the ads will give you a positive feeling toward the brand, if the advertising is well done. A lot of advertising is poorly done, of course, but a well-done ad can influence preferences in very subtle ways. That subtlety means it's aggravatingly hard to tell which ads work and which ads won't, but advertising continues to exist for a reason: it steers consumer preferences during the phase where they don't know what they want and end up trusting their instincts. Which applies to more purchasing decisions than most people realize.

      Stupid advertisers want ads that they measure working by clicks, so they optimize the ads to attract clicks, but that doesn't drive purchasing. The best ads are the ones that consumers don't even realize they've seen, but just develop a cumulative effect of exposure. That's hard to do, and requires a lot of time, money, and effort to get right. Even then it's a crapshoot, like trying to write a popular song. But in the end, there's a market for so many chairs and so many peaches and so many computers, and advertising can steer enough purchases towards yours and away from somebody else's equivalent one in a way that merely improving the specifications can't do.

    37. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by SScorpio · · Score: 1

      It sure does, it then tracks the sites you visit and they sell that data.

      I've switched to Disconnect after reading up on Ghostery.

    38. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      The bandwidth costs of getting the ads to the viewer, all the way from their server to my phone, should be part of their expenses.

      Then they charge the advertisers enough to cover that expense.

      That certainly would reduce the heavy ads.

      Yeah, really the sites that use ads for revenue generation are customers of the ad providers. We are customers of the sites not the advertisers.

      Therefore any expenses associated with getting the ads to my eyeballs should be entirely covered by the advertisers, not me and not by the sites.

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    39. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by fredgiblet · · Score: 1

      AdBlock is actually doing that now, allowing vetted ads through.

    40. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I can't imagine the "Good Folks (tm)" at /. biting the hand that feeds them.

      Forgotten about beta already, huh?

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    41. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That was before Google implemented the privacy invading tracking features. Back then Google looked at your search query to try to guess what you were looking for. So when you searched for sweater, you got adverts for sweaters. When you search for laptops, you got adverts for laptops.

      Now Google thinks that is not how people buy things, so they started to spy on you. According to Google you don't want what you are looking for, but what you were looking for a couple of days ago. So when you search for a laptop, you still get adverts for the sweater you bought on-line a few days ago, but no adverts for laptops.
       
        Google claims this is the best way to show 'relevant' adverts to the 'potential customer' and sells your private browsing behavior to the highest bidder in some sort of auction house. It has been a dog eat dog competition in the on-line advertising world where only the best 'spies' survived. Marketeers listen to and believe marketing talk. They really believe it when advertising place sellers (like Google) claim that the more private information they have gathered, the best they know what adverts will lead to a sale. So the more private information is stolen from you, the more the spies earn.
       
        But I haven't had a relevant advert in ages. I only see adverts of products I already bought. I've been followed by adverts of a stupid cassette for a MTB for 2 months while I bought it in the first hour. Currently I'm followed by adverts for shoes because I've looked up the prices for Guci shoes a week ago (I didn't believe a friend that his wife's Guci shoes cost 900 euro so I just wanted to check the price, and damn he was right ... )

      To me this sounds like a rip off. I do not understand why marketeers are only whining about the ad-blockers, but don't even see that they are showing the wrong adverts to the wrong people. They should whine about Google and other on-line advert auctioneers. Only when relevant adverts are shown, people will be more happy to see them. Getting adverts on search history that can only be known by spying on you is ... creepy.
       
      Why do I see an advert of an on-line shoe shop while I'm on a tech site? I would never buy shoes on-line, how can you even know they fit based on a photo? I'm sorry, Google, I didn't meant to buy shoes, I just wanted to check the insane prices of Guci shoes. I just couldn't believe there could be shoes with such a high price tag. Now, where can I unsubscribe from adverts for expensive shoes, please?

    42. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      Stupid advertisers want ads that they measure working by clicks, so they optimize the ads to attract clicks, but that doesn't drive purchasing. The best ads are the ones that consumers don't even realize they've seen, but just develop a cumulative effect of exposure. That's hard to do, and requires a lot of time, money, and effort to get right. Even then it's a crapshoot, like trying to write a popular song. But in the end, there's a market for so many chairs and so many peaches and so many computers, and advertising can steer enough purchases towards yours and away from somebody else's equivalent one in a way that merely improving the specifications can't do.

      I never click an ad, unless it's by mistake, which does occasionally happen. What's really great is when you search for something someone else wants. That in no way is something you'd ever buy, like a 10kW generator. That followed me around a while. Perhaps the most fun you can have is randomly search for a word a day at amazon (via script of course) and see what wonderful ads you get, provided you see any. It certainly screws with their metrics.

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    43. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by Cederic · · Score: 1

      I go to a web site, I send it a request - GET /content
      In return, it sends me a html page that includes
        - the content that I was hoping to see
        - links to additional content in which i might be interested
        - links to additional content in which I am not interested

      As I know that adverts fall into that last category, I opt not to follow those links or download that content.

      Seems to me that I'm fully complying with the site's expectations, and saving the bandwidth of the people providing content that I would ignore. Shit, I'm doing these guys a favour here.

      I'm not sure why you think this means I should touch shit?

    44. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by xevioso · · Score: 1

      But the ad companies don't know you've bought the widget. They only know you searched for one.

      It may be the case that the vast majority of purchasing done on the internet is not immediate, but only after you do your own research by searching, and then coming back and searching more until you decide on your widget.

      I'm certain the advertisers can determine the rate of people who purchase immediately or purchase after a bit of research, and if more people do the latter, posting ads AFTER you've searched for something in hopes of influencing your decision the NEXT time you search for that same thing does make sense, even though it annoys people who immediately purchase.

    45. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      This is a completely specious analogy.

      The analogy is: imagine that you can walk into any bakery on the street and eat their goods for free as long as they can put up ads. Now imagine that you can still eat their goods but you can take down their ads as well.

      Basic rule of life - money makes the world go 'round. Everyone needs it to buy food, pay for housing, etc. When websites sell content - and you have to pay for that content either directly (subscription) or indirectly (allow them to deliver ads so that they get paid by the advertisers).

      It is perfectly reasonable for any website to say "allow ads or pay us directly". No sane person would expect people to give away content and get nothing in return.

      This doesn't work because in the bakery you don't pay to view the ads and they (the ads, not the food) can't make you sick.

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    46. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      Bet we'll see within 3 months that they're reversing this stance, or within a year it shuts down.

      uh. no? if you are visiting their site w/ ad blocking, you are contributing NOTHING to their bottom line. you are actually costing them money. if they have a choice between not being in business, and letting ad blocking users drain money from them and give nothing in return, what do you think they'll choose?

      queue overly complicated rebuttal explaining how you are indirectly helping them in some way.

    47. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by tburkhol · · Score: 1

      The ads are served on a different server. That's how adblock works. It blocks connections to servers that host ads. Ads don't use site bandwidth.

      I think that's the point. Ads are free revenue for the site. Sites have no way to know how those ads affect their readers. Third party servers are easy to block.

      If you move the ad scripts from the client to the server, set the server to download whatever image and forward it to the reader, then they'll bypass the adblockers, they'll get direct metrics on how much the ads diminish the reader experience, and they can bill advertisers based on the actual cost of production and publication.

    48. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by Anna+Merikin · · Score: 1

      wtf?

    49. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      I'm the "don't look for something until I need it, then I buy it" kind of person.

      you're also the extremely naive kind of person. do you know anyone at all that freely admits they are influenced by ads and they activelu click on them? if you know a few people, does it possibly account for billions of dollars spent on advertising? no company spends billions without being absolutely assured they are getting a return on their investment.

      the effect of advertising is much more subtle than that. so you glance at a Coke ad. you glance at it 20x a week. then when you are at the store and you see a Coke, you get a familiar feeling. you subconsciously associate Coke with the sexy girls and fun times in the ads you subconsciously glanced at. Coke feels okay, and you buy it. It works, and you aren't immune as much as you like to think you are smarter than the rest of us.

    50. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by mister_playboy · · Score: 1

      Whether a binary is allowed to execute or not is one of the most basic features of Linux file permissions.

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    51. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by WCMI92 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Most people wouldn't use ad blocking if the advertisers didn't allow malware laden ads be served to their PC's turning them into mindless drones for a botnet. They could fix that problem easily by turning around and vetting ads. Or if the ads weren't so obtrusive and annoying either. Bet we'll see within 3 months that they're reversing this stance, or within a year it shuts down.

      Remember when the New York Times decided to put themselves behind a Paywall? That didn't last a year. I suspect the same thing will happen here. People don't like ads. The answer isn't to block adblockers, the answer is to stop annoying the shit out of your visitors that they would WANT an ad blocker!

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    52. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by Anna+Merikin · · Score: 1

      It sure does, it then tracks the sites you visit and they sell that data.

      Got a link?

    53. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      The analogy is a bit wrong. The people serving up these ads are not the shop owners usually. Web sites are more like radio stations, they'll broadcast someone else's advertisements in return for a kickback. Except that on the internet there is a massive third party advertising industry; the shop owners don't know how/when/where these ads will show up, and the web sites know or care don't care which products they promote.

    54. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by DahGhostfacedFiddlah · · Score: 1

      If I can't see their site, I'm not going to share it on social media, which is responsible for a ton of clicks - many of which are from non-adblocked browsers. I won't link to it from my blog. I won't tweet it.

      You take a big chance when you block the most internet-savvy demographic from viewing your site.

    55. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Google "SELinux." That may be what you're looking for.

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    56. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Conversely, you don't have a right to their content. It's a conundrum I suppose. I block ads. I block them because I hate them. I accept if a site kicks me off because of it. I don't have a right to use their site in a manner they didn't approve of - it's their property. I just go elsewhere.

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    57. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by Forgefather · · Score: 1

      All content that is passed through the web follows a request response model. If I send a request for data to a server and that server returns the data then the transaction is done. If you didn't want me to view the content then you are free to not respond to my request which is what this publisher is doing. If you add content to an open port facing the internet with no barriers or restrictions you are acknowledging that the content is freely available.

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    58. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      you do realize, ultimately someone has to view the ads for the site to get paid, right? that someone just isn't going to be you, right? basically, you are too good to view ads, but it's okay if you click bait a friend of a friend to do so.

      you are what's known as a leech my friend. you avoid paying for the site, but you'll happily get other people to do so, which enables you to continue to leech content.

    59. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by DahGhostfacedFiddlah · · Score: 1

      Keep your judgement to yourself. I'm just countering your argument that sites are better off without traffic from adblockers.

    60. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by Jax+Omen · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up, wish I had mod points!

      I've literally been spammed with ads for System 76 laptops for about 10 months now... because 10 months ago I searched for the best laptop I could that worked under Linux for cheap (System 76 was far outside my price range).

      Haven't searched for anything laptops or linux since, still the most common ad I see, being on probably 75% of all sites I visit.

    61. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      it seems completely fair that you can respond to a comment and no one is allowed to respond back. how's that attitude work for you in real life?

      it's not a judgement, it's a fact. you are consuming the content. you aren't paying. but you suggest that it's okay for others to pay, just not the person blocking ads.

    62. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      But the ad companies don't know you've bought the widget. They only know you searched for one.

      Oh, I know. And this is where a lot of it breaks down. Most things I buy online I only buy one of, and if I do buy another one it's usually not for years.

      If they were a little smarter they'd notice I was searching for widgets and then immediately start showing me ads for deeply-discounted widgets.

      For most of the consumable items I buy online I already have a preferred source that I've done business with before. I suppose the could somehow track the periodicity of those repeat purchases and then target me a week or two before I'm predicted to buy again.

      Unfortunately, none of those things would work because I use an ad blocker. So I guess they're screwed.

      I feel no remorse. If ads hadn't become so intrusive, so bloated, and so potentially malignant, I never would have bothered to install an ad blocker. They're simply reaping what they've sowed.

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    63. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      The analogy is a bit wrong. The people serving up these ads are not the shop owners usually. Web sites are more like radio stations, they'll broadcast someone else's advertisements in return for a kickback. Except that on the internet there is a massive third party advertising industry; the shop owners don't know how/when/where these ads will show up, and the web sites know or care don't care which products they promote.

      Right, so the sandwich boards on the sidewalk are operated by a 3rd party who has fitted them with little wheels and programmed them to bump into pedestrians who walk past. And some unscrupulous employee at the advertising company has infected them with interesting diseases.

      And the pedestrians have to pay to view the advertising. But the shop owners don't get that money, it goes into the pocket of the local government who maintain the street itself.

      Closer to the truth now?

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    64. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by DahGhostfacedFiddlah · · Score: 1

      Sure, I'm a leech, whatever. But I wasn't responding to a comment that said "Hey, if you're a horrible human, drop me a line". I was responding to a comment that said "Sites GET NOTHING from adblockers". Making this about my personal failings is a non sequitor.

    65. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by ArcadeNut · · Score: 1

      Imagine if, as you walk along a street in downtown the small shops, which depend on advertising (right?) have these little boards outside their shops with some advertising. Actually this is pretty normal in most places.

      That is a bad analogy. You are comparing apples and oranges. The website publishes content you consume for "free" (paid for by ads) where as a store front is trying to get you to buy a product (you pay for what you consume).

      Now image that you go into a bookstore and read an entire book while there and then you walk out. How long before that book store closes?

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    66. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      Haven't searched for anything laptops or linux since, still the most common ad I see, being on probably 75% of all sites I visit.

      Better than adverts for Depends undergarments or spanks. :)

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    67. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      Imagine if, as you walk along a street in downtown the small shops, which depend on advertising (right?) have these little boards outside their shops with some advertising. Actually this is pretty normal in most places.

      That is a bad analogy. You are comparing apples and oranges. The website publishes content you consume for "free" (paid for by ads) where as a store front is trying to get you to buy a product (you pay for what you consume).

      Now image that you go into a bookstore and read an entire book while there and then you walk out. How long before that book store closes?

      I don't think your analogy is adequate either.

      How about a shop with a magazine rack which they let people peruse for free. Some third party stands outside and charges you to go into the bookstore and a portion of this goes to the bookstore. However this person is infected with something nasty and coughs at you as you go through the door.

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    68. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by Kinematics · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Car analogy time!

      So, suppose you're driving your car. Every once in a while, a great big billboard pops up in between you and your passenger, interrupting your conversation. Other times, the radio turns on by itself, blaring out annoying music while someone was trying to give you directions on where to turn.

      Meanwhile, each time this happens, it uses up a bit of gas. By the end of the month you realize you've spent twice as much on gas as you thought you should have, given how much you drove. And the car just doesn't go as fast as it used to when you first got it. You're lucky to hit 45 miles per hour on the freeway.

      Plus, periodically, something strange will happen with your own or one of your neighbors' cars, where the car will just drive off by itself in the middle of the night, doing who-knows-what. And you have to hope your car is back and somewhat usable in the morning when you need to get to work. And hope that you don't find extra charges on your credit card for stuff you never bought.

      But then you find out that all you have to do to stop all that is to stop handing over your car key to every random person in the street who asks for it. The people that you meet are a bit upset that they can't borrow your car's billboard, and gas, and stereo, and other such things, but in the end you find that you can drive in peace and quiet, with good gas mileage, get where you're going pretty quickly, and are less likely to get into an accident. But those people say that you're stealing from them. And somehow manage that without any sense of irony. (The analogy starts getting rather difficult to extend at this point; there's a limit to my car-analogy-fu.)

    69. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by GrahamCox · · Score: 1

      On the same theme, why does eBay constantly show me examples of goods for sale that I've already bought? I'm not likely to buy another oscilloscope, go-kart, steam iron or whatever - I already bought one.

      Useless.

    70. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      I used NoScript for a long time, and then it became very difficult to tell which sources were ads and which were necessary for the content. I gave up and installed an ad blocker.

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    71. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      On the same theme, why does eBay constantly show me examples of goods for sale that I've already bought? I'm not likely to buy another oscilloscope, go-kart, steam iron or whatever - I already bought one.

      Maybe it's wishful thinking, lol.

      As an aside, there was a time when I owned two oscilloscopes, one was for the bench and the other was a little portable unit for use in the field. But still, I take your point and I agree.

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    72. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by smooth+wombat · · Score: 1

      Sure, if you wanted to downgrade your equipment.

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    73. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by SScorpio · · Score: 1

      They don't say specifically what they track, but they do sell "user data".

      http://www.businessinsider.com/evidon-sells-ghostery-data-to-advertisers-2013-6

    74. Re: Isn't this a no brainer? by easyTree · · Score: 1

      All that effort to do better advertising and it's all wasted. Put the effort into making a better product and everyone will give you pro-bono advertising agency services.

    75. Re: Isn't this a no brainer? by easyTree · · Score: 1

      You're right; every time I see a coke ad I'm reminded of something my doctor told me "the best thing you can do with it is put it into your toilet - it makes great toilet cleaner". Then, when I'm in the store, I'm so grateful that coke-corp have reminded me to avoid their product which is after all a triumph of ad-fu over reality.

    76. Re: Isn't this a no brainer? by easyTree · · Score: 1

      Maybe there's more going on than the apparent 'trying to influence your thinking? "

      Maybe there's a "behaviorally analyse each user to see where their limits are in various dimensions" - personality profiling, if you like.

      Sound extreme ?

    77. Re: Isn't this a no brainer? by easyTree · · Score: 1

      They don't care if you bought your widget. If there were a way to say "I already bought it", one nanosecond later there would be products specifying "I already bought X, for all X"

    78. Re: Isn't this a no brainer? by easyTree · · Score: 1

      I'll leave the shit-touching to you.

    79. Re: Isn't this a no brainer? by easyTree · · Score: 1

      There's a pile of canine excrement in the local park that has expressed its profound dismay at being compared with fox news.

    80. Re: Isn't this a no brainer? by easyTree · · Score: 1

      The answer is to find a way to tie your viewers into a chair and glue open their eyelids, over the Internet.

    81. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by Anna+Merikin · · Score: 1

      That would be data one gives permission to collect, IIR the installation setup correctly. Uncheck the box, and it says no information will be harvested. Are they lying?

    82. Re: Isn't this a no brainer? by easyTree · · Score: 1

      ...and they object because you're wearing a full-body condom and earplugs.

    83. Re: Isn't this a no brainer? by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      They don't care if you bought your widget.

      I have to disagree.

      Advertisers don't want to waste their time and money on ineffective advertising or pointless advertising. If they knew I just bought a widget they'd much rather market something else to me, such as a follow-on product or some other product that they me to buy. The last thing they want to do is try to market a product to me that there's no chance I'll buy.

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    84. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      This is true for one specific type of advertising, eg Coke doesn't advertise to make you buy a coke right now, it is just keeping the idea of coke as refreshing in the front of your mind. However there are lots of other purposes for ads, one of which is actually getting you to buy specific things. These are the ads that pollute the Internet and are the most annoying.

    85. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 2

      And if for some reason you say I like what your advertising, I'll buy one, they then send a guy with the same board around to follow you for an entire month.

    86. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by Mal-2 · · Score: 1

      What's hilarious is the ads are showing me the chair I bought (creepy yes) but that chair is no longer of interest to me for purchase. And it continues doing so for the next month or more.

      This isn't totally insane. If you buy something and like it, you are probably more inclined to buy another one if you have a need for another one. If that chair you just bought was an office chair, you may want to furnish more than one office, or you may want one for the workshop, or you may want your partner to get the same upgrade as you. If it's a car, then advertising to you after the fact is probably pointless.

      Personally, I know I bought a monitor and found that I rather liked it. I kept getting ads for the same model, and I was glad to be informed that someone had gotten a new stock of them (as they were discontinued and increasingly difficult to find), and even slightly cheaper than the first one. I bought another one and put it in a different room in a "mirror" configuration so I could move from room to room without any interruption in workflow. I wish I had bought four of them, two for each room, because they're not available at all any more.

      The case is similar with consumables. If you bought printer ink, you will eventually want more. It may be months or even years down the line, though. If you bought packaged food, there is a high probability you'll want more at some point in the near future. What's more questionable is continuing to push items that aren't going to be used up for quite a while, like wiper blades.

      Also, the ads can get rather off-topic as a result of assuming all research concerns purchases. I'm as much a writer as musician these days, and I investigate things I don't actually want. This leads to things like getting ads for Vyvanse (an amphetamine prescribed for ADHD) for several months after I've found out all I wanted to know. I have to wonder what ads I'm going to start seeing soon, considering my latest research has been conducted to more accurately portray the effects of oxycodone withdrawals on my main character.

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    87. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by Mal-2 · · Score: 1

      That's hard to do, and requires a lot of time, money, and effort to get right. Even then it's a crapshoot, like trying to write a popular song.

      You're significantly overstating the difficulty of writing a popular song. I know how to write catchy tunes that people like, it's not particularly difficult. What is difficult is getting them heard by enough people to matter, and that's where money and power come into the equation -- people "smarter than you" have decided what the next big thing will be, and most of the listening public goes along with it. Producing good ads is a fair bit more difficult, because a popular song doesn't have to worry about the people that absolutely hate it, while an ad does have to avoid strong negative reactions in even a small portion of the prospective customer base. Ads (ideally) also have to convey actual information so that people know what to buy. A catchy song still works even if people can't tell you what all the lyrics were. (Louie Louie and Smells Like Teen Spirit instantly pop into my head.)

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    88. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by Mal-2 · · Score: 1

      For extra fun, try searching for diesel generators, doll clothes, personal lubricant, tire chains, and jumper cables all on the same day.

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      How is the Riemann zeta function like Trump rallies? Both have an endless number of trivial zeros.
    89. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by tigersha · · Score: 1

      The most inflammatory, brain dead, lowest-common-denominator tabloid in Germany shuts down in a year?

      One can but dream....

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    90. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by szelus · · Score: 1

      The purest form of this are the political yard signs. Nobody thinks, "I saw 90 signs for Bob and 110 signs for Mike; therefore I will vote for Mike." But people do respond to pressures like that; it creates biases and impressions that they don't even realize.

      Sure it does! Whenever this happens, I make sure to remember the f*-er to never vote for him. :) Same for billboards, etc.

    91. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      Your final paragraph sums up why ad tracking is pointless.

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    92. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by SScorpio · · Score: 1

      If you uncheck it they might not track you. By default they track you, and you need to opt-out.

      There are other tools like Disconnect that do the exact same thing that don't do any tracking. So why support a company with questionable motives.

    93. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by Anna+Merikin · · Score: 1

      bc I worked in marketing and I find what they say believable (only bulk, unidentified demographic data is needed, which I opt out of just in case.) Their motives are not "questionable" to me; I have no question about allowing companies to make a profit and continue to provide a useful service. I have more questions about a company without an obvious money stream.

    94. Re: Isn't this a no brainer? by xenoc_1 · · Score: 1

      You didn't read up very well. Ghostery is ethical in that their "GhostRank" feature, the usage data you're alluding to, is opt-IN. By default on a fresh installation, the option to share with Ghostery is unchecked. Unlike, for instance, the so-called "Acceptable Ads" feature of Adblock Plus and the same newly added to previously-unrelated AdBlock, which now is part of that initiative and may even be now under related ownership.

      The only problem with Ghostery defaults is that it blocks nothing by default. But you can block everything with just a few clicks, or select specific categories or even specific sources not to block. Plus site whitelisting. And much better granularity of control than Disconnect.

    95. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by ArcadeNut · · Score: 1

      How about a shop with a magazine rack which they let people peruse for free. Some third party stands outside and charges you to go into the bookstore and a portion of this goes to the bookstore. However this person is infected with something nasty and coughs at you as you go through the door.

      No, the web site isn't charging the visitor anything to read the content (just like it's free to go into a bookstore), the web site is charging the advertiser. Retail and Websites have two completely different business models. What the website is saying is "Hey if you don't want to see ads, then you have to pay to read the content. If you don't want to pay for the content, then you have to see the ads.".

      If you block ads, the advertisers stop giving the site owner money. If you go into the bookstore and read a book and don't buy it, the bookstore doesn't make any money and they stop stocking newer books. In both cases they eventually shut their doors.

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    96. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by K10W · · Score: 1

      Of course, for the price of a nice Zeiss mechanical focus lens you can buy three Nikon/Canon/ Whatever lenses and let them break.

      think you'll find the deal with zeiss is for those who primarily do vid work zeiss optics in that region have no focus breathing when pull/rack focus along with other things. There is more to good glass than sharpness, AF speed and IS despite what most the gear sites (with clueless writers) say or even worse the youtube personalities who are poor in their field and more marketing and scoail bs than technical and creative ability. Personally I use sigma stuff (apart from my canon 70-200) for stills work due to them working out much better for me in the stills department but even the sigma 50 art which I love has issues for DSLR videographers that the otus doesn't have.

    97. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      How about a shop with a magazine rack which they let people peruse for free. Some third party stands outside and charges you to go into the bookstore and a portion of this goes to the bookstore. However this person is infected with something nasty and coughs at you as you go through the door.

      No, the web site isn't charging the visitor anything to read the content (just like it's free to go into a bookstore), the web site is charging the advertiser. Retail and Websites have two completely different business models. What the website is saying is "Hey if you don't want to see ads, then you have to pay to read the content. If you don't want to pay for the content, then you have to see the ads.".

      If you block ads, the advertisers stop giving the site owner money. If you go into the bookstore and read a book and don't buy it, the bookstore doesn't make any money and they stop stocking newer books. In both cases they eventually shut their doors.

      No, I'm saying that the website owner has delegated the serving of ads to a third party who is acting in an egregious and unacceptable way.

      Its up to the website owner to take that into their own hands, go to their ad provider and say "You are driving our ad revenue down by your behavior. Modify your ads, improve your security, so we can recover our ad revenue."

      What I'm doing by blocking ads is giving the website owners the incentive to do this.

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    98. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by jfengel · · Score: 1

      Mostly agreed, though what I had in mind for "popular song" was those breakout hits ("Gangnam Style", "Call Me Maybe") that just stick in the mind for no obvious reason. (Though I did hear an interesting podcast a few weeks back that analyzed "Cal Me Maybe" and its follow-up, showing where the formula was successfully repeated and where it failed to recapture the magic.)

      Those are rare, though so are the equivalent ads. And even then, only on TV. I don't think anybody's sidebar ad has ever achieved anything close, though occasionally one will be so aggravating that it becomes a meme, e.g. "Punch the Monkey".

    99. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

      I block ISP ads that insert themselves into a vendor's advertisement. As I am only interested in computer stuff ads, I have to continue to block ads for busty women.

      Some women are quite nice looking. I am appreciative of their looks, but alas for them, I am a very happily married man to wife number 1. There was never a number 2.

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    100. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by jfengel · · Score: 1

      They'd definitely like for you to buy now, but they will mostly have to settle for less. You may not need a new job via Monster or a subscription to New Scientist right now (current ads on Slashdot), but they may gradually sneak up on you. If you need a job, where are you going to go? The most popular site (though network effects contribute to that). How do you know what's popular? The one you see all the time.

      What do you give your nerdy buddy for Christmas? Maybe a magazine subscription. It might not have occurred to you that you could even do that, but if the two thoughts happen to be in your mind at the same time, they get some business.

      You're absolutely right that the ads that demand your attention right now are the ones that have to go. Advertisers think they want them, because those can be tracked to see how successful they are. It's more annoying for New Scientist to say, "Well, we put out an ad, and over the next three months subscriptions went up 3%. Due to the ads? The economy? Random chance? A good article?" Or worse: "Subscriptions went down 1%. But maybe they'd have gone down 1.5% if we hadn't put up an ad..."

      The purveyors of "polite" ads should probably demand that web sites not show any other kind. That's the kind that gives advertising a bad name, and makes people rush out to get AdBlock, which kills all ads. It's possible that getting the advertisers together to set standards could result in more money for them. But I'm not holding my breath.

    101. Re: Isn't this a no brainer? by jfengel · · Score: 1

      I wish that were true, but sadly it isn't. To get word-of-mouth, you need somebody to have your product. Somebody has to buy it. You could give it away, but that's just another form of advertising, and it's not clear how effective it is.

      I run a theater troupe. Most people don't even know when I run performances. I've built up a following over a decade and a half, partly by word of mouth. But it's very slow, and if I had big budgets (paying actors, big sets, larger theaters) I'd need more people, and I'd need them fast. I need to tell them that I exist, and word of mouth alone won't cut it. I need the people who aren't directly connected to me.

      Word of mouth is great, the purest form of marketing you can get. But it doesn't work in every case. Few things are so insanely good (or insanely grabby) that they go viral.

    102. Re:Isn't this a no brainer? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Well another responder to my post addressed this. I guess I'm a little out-of-touch; I've been using DuckDuckGo for a while now because of all the privacy problems. I liked the way Google *used* to be, where they showed you targeted ads based on your *current* search, not the way they seem to be now where they remember all your previous searches and show you ads based on those.

    103. Re: Isn't this a no brainer? by xizdaqrian · · Score: 1

      Agreed. The ads are so obtrusive, and often harmful, that I would rather just not have access to the content. Some sites have reasonable ads, so I do disable ad block on CNN, Fox, ABC, etc. Simple formula for me: post unobtrusive ads, and I don't block.

    104. Re: Isn't this a no brainer? by easyTree · · Score: 1

      Isn't there an idea that everyone is connected ? [I seem to recall reading that amongst facebook users, this six is closer to four.]

      If one seeds information / samples of one's product with everyone one knows, this could spread <quite widely> dependent upon the collective will of those involved to spread the news.

    105. Re: Isn't this a no brainer? by jfengel · · Score: 1

      Few things are so Insanely Great that people are going to rush out and tell their friends about it. I got a really nice new spatula the other day, but I'm not evangelizing for the spatula company. Even if they'd given me a free spatula to encourage me to proselytize, and I managed to encourage a couple of friends to buy one, it's unlikely that they're going to rave about a spatula they bought so much that it's going to push out to six degrees of separation.

      This kind of marketing works great when it works, for really exciting consumer gadgets and apps and political candidates. But a lot of the stuff you need to buy is just, ya know, stuff.

    106. Re: Isn't this a no brainer? by easyTree · · Score: 1

      Hey, hook me up with a link to your new spatula? :D

      Points taken although it seems to be working out pretty well for ... what's that Electric Car company called?

    107. Re: Isn't this a no brainer? by jfengel · · Score: 1

      Yep... when you can get amazing buzz, it's awesome. It helps when your CEO is a gazillionaire who gets free press for building freaking *rockets*. And when your competition gives you this massive opening to build something that's just so much better than what they're putting out. (Cf Uber, who is competing against cab companies who put out a genuinely abysmal but widely-used product.)

      I don't expect anybody to get similarly excited by my new OXO spatula. But it got the first brownies out of pan whole because it's somehow flexible enough in one direction to curve under the corner of the pan, while being strong enough in the other direction to support the brownie as I lift it. Kinda spooky, actually. It's definitely better than my previous spatulas, which cost about half as much (though I can spring for eight bucks on a kitchen tool), but I don't expect there to be a waiting list ;-)

    108. Re: Isn't this a no brainer? by easyTree · · Score: 1

      Well, *you* seem pretty excited by your spatula and now, so am I :D ... so... you apparently *can* get buzz from a well-designed product - even one as apparently mundane as a spatula. To my mind, it's related to the long-tail idea - a spatula might not be an earth-shatteringly important thing but when it works well, that improves our lives and we want to share with others :D

    109. Re: Isn't this a no brainer? by jfengel · · Score: 1

      I was really excited by the long-tail idea. I got less excited soon after because I happened to be dating a rock musician (seriously). Her band worked insanely hard, were incredibly talented, and put on great shows, but they were just never in the right place at the right time to make it big. Of course you have only my word for their ability, which is subjective (and biased) and anecdotal, but I'm just saying it shifted my perspective on what could be accomplished in the long tail. As abominable as the record labels are, they do one thing very well: make people famous by spending lots of money.

      I still have high hopes for the long tail. It's now present-seeking season and I do it as much as I can on sites like etsy, the long tail of craft stuff. I occasionally find cool things, which I buy and evangelize by giving as gifts. But I doubt any are eking out even as much as the minimum wage by doing it. That's partly Etsy's fault, and I am gonna try out Amazon's new version of it. Amazon is good at building buzz.

      Oh, one other thing that advertising has worked well for, to me. I listen to a lot of podcasts, and I've bought at least two things because they supported things I like. I would not have encountered NatureBox; I'm not going to evangelize it (it's good, not amazing), but I do kinda like having prepackaged snacks on hand for grab-and-go things. I did so at least partly because I wanted to support the podcasts. (In the case of one podcast, they have an adless, longer paid version, but I actually like the free version because the longer version can be tedious.)

      I feel like I'm spreading word of mouth for advertising ;-) (The Onion, of course, did that joke better: http://www.theonion.com/articl...)

  2. andnothingofvaluewaslost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Bild is crap "journalism" anyway.

    1. Re:andnothingofvaluewaslost by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      It's most definitely NSFW (at least for US workplaces), with topless chicks on the front page. (Scroll down a bit and tits! Nice ones, too!)

      As someone from the US I always just assumed in Europe any time you scrolled down it was tits. Even just walking down the street.

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    2. Re:andnothingofvaluewaslost by Flavianoep · · Score: 1

      This gives me an idea: they could set up to serve the tits & ass as advertisement. That way, I could glance at the site without worrying about violating my employer's code of conduct on the web.

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    3. Re:andnothingofvaluewaslost by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 2

      And the site seems to work perfectly fine even with blocking the Javascript. Seems those scripts they want people to run are of no real purpose beyond tracking and ads.

    4. Re:andnothingofvaluewaslost by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      The quality of their content isn't the point, they're doing the right thing (as far as I'm concerned, anyway). There are several outcomes to them doing this which should show the value of their content. People will either be willing to disable ad-blockers to view that content, or people will pay to not see ads, or their traffic will drop and people will go elsewhere (or, people will circumvent the Javascript ad-blocker detection, or Bild will come up with an alternative revenue stream). It's exactly what any "content provider" complaining about ad-blocking should do. If people decide that their content is worth the ads or the expense, then they will continue to survive. If not, then they won't. I think that a major reason why so many "content providers" oppose ad-blockers is because they secretly think that their content is not worth paying for. Bild is willing to put it to the test, and I like that.

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  3. Ads are fine by dmgxmichael · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Viruses not so much. Way too much of that going around to make it safe to browse without adblocking - too many ad carriers do not audit the ads that are displayed, leading to all sorts of click bait and virus crap being displayed.

    1. Re:Ads are fine by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Informative

      So I decided to give them a try and comply with their request. Disabled uBlock and visited the site. To be fair there don't seem to be animated or noisy ads on there. The page was pretty slow to load due to the ad servers taking several seconds to respond. The site itself seems be be a "tabloid" style paper (I don't read German), with some soft porn on the front page (scroll down a bit) and crappy looking content.

      Then I tried to read an article, and it displayed the first few lines and then demand â0.99 for the rest. Fuck you Bild, I accepted your ads and shitty Javascript and you still want me to pay for your content? I already paid!

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    2. Re:Ads are fine by beakerMeep · · Score: 1

      it's logistically impossible to audit all the ads, especially for a publisher. They need to remove all the scripts.

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    3. Re:Ads are fine by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Ya it isn't normal banner ads, it is porn sites which try to grind your browser to a halt, probably trying to take it over. I don't really need 4k 120fps video running in a sidebar, or a whole 3D rendering system.

      Not that I go to those.

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    4. Re:Ads are fine by yodleboy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Even without an ad blocker, if I'm to scared to click the ad because god only knows what will happen to my computer, then what's the point of having an ad? On the 1 in 1000 chance the ad is relevant, I'm more likely to just open another tab and go directly to the site. These guys have no one to blame but themselves. When the only thing you can offer people is an infection or an annoyance, why would you be surprised when people block you?

      Like most internet things, media companies had a chance to get in front of this and condition people to pay for content at the outset. Instead they created overpriced paywalled gardens with minimal content, then watched as people went to ad-supported pay sites. Instead of lowering prices and offering a better product, they stopped charging and joined the race to the bottom.

    5. Re:Ads are fine by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Well, as someone who can read German, I can reassure you, Bild is just what a German band wrote about it in a song: Fear, hate, tits and the weather report.

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    6. Re:Ads are fine by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      Well, too bad, then.

      If a store sells you a defective, and thus dangerous, product, who's liable? It could be the manufacturer, or it could be the store, in which case the store could then sue the manufacturer or supplier. In either case, claiming that it would be too hard to ensure that all of their products are safe would not let them escape liability.

      There's no reason that ads on web sites should be any different. If the web site can't inspect and verify every ad that is shown, then they'll have to hope that they can shift the liability to the ad company, who has no excuse for not ensuring that the ads are safe.

  4. The first domino has tipped by rmdingler · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I've been seeing more requests than ever recently to "please turn off Adblocker" while browsing.

    If a site is important enough to me, I'll pay a nominal fee rather than slow loading times with what is often intrusive hogwash.

    If it's not, the information I seek is probably available elsewhere.

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    1. Re:The first domino has tipped by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      For me, there are 4-5 news sites I visit regularly that all push for subscriptions. $5/month each starts to be obscene if it isn't your only go-to source for information.

    2. Re:The first domino has tipped by serviscope_minor · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I've been seeing more requests than ever recently to "please turn off Adblocker" while browsing.

      Funnily enough, I see them too. I don't run an adblocker, though. I do however run noscript. I have no objection to ads in principle. However, I'm not running scripts unless I have a compelling reason to do so. So, if you want to show me ads, serve them up without Javascript.

      If you want to hog my CPU and eat my battery... well, tough.

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    3. Re:The first domino has tipped by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      CodedI've been seeing more requests than ever recently to "please turn off Adblocker" while browsing.

      That's why Anti-AdBlock lists exist: https://github.com/reek/anti-adblock-killer

    4. Re:The first domino has tipped by kaiser423 · · Score: 2

      I do think that Apple allowing ad blockers in iOS really raised the visibility of this, and something is going to happen soon. I think that we'll either fade-away, or going to a consolidated subscription model. Google has a program where you pay something like $7/mo and ads on sites that participate are reduced/gone. The problem is that it doesn't stop any of the really annoying ads, because Google doesn't serve annoying ads.

      My guess is that unobtrusive, text ads will become key again -- the thing that brought Google into existence as the behemoth it is. I've started blocking all of the annoying ads that frameroll, block sites, etc. But I leave Google ads on, because they're pretty unobtrusive. My guess is that this arms war will escalate and ad agencies will realize that they've been cutting their own throats by making things so annoying, virus-laden and plain breaking websites that many will fold, and sites will adopt a "clean" advertising policy.....I hope. The other alternatives aren't great.

    5. Re:The first domino has tipped by Earthquake+Retrofit · · Score: 1

      If a site is important enough to me, I'll pay a nominal fee rather than slow loading times with what is often intrusive hogwash. If it's not, the information I seek is probably available elsewhere.

      A few weeks or months after paying, I believe you will see the ads return full blast. Even Bild's announcement says paying will stop "most" ads.

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    6. Re:The first domino has tipped by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      The problem is that it doesn't stop any of the really annoying ads, because Google doesn't serve annoying ads.

      No, Google does serve annoying ads. Not directly, but through one of their many corporate acquisitions and ad networks like DoubleClick. So yes, Google serves up annoying ads, pop ups, pop unders, punch the monkey, malware, etc.

      Google Ads is another advertising service Google owns. So you can pay to not see those ads, but I haven't seen one of those ads in a long time - I think Google pushed everyone to use one of their other ad network services.

      If you could pay $7 a month to get rid of all ads Google provided, I'd take that deal as that gets rid of a good chunk of online advertising. Remember, Google owns like 98% of the advertising market, the 2% being the shadier sites that Google doesn't touch (torrent sites, etc).

    7. Re:The first domino has tipped by twokay · · Score: 1

      Just visited the site with uBlock Origin enabled expecting to see such a message, nothing... i was browsing Ad free! On another note the site is decidedly NSFW (naked ladies all over the front page), i think that gives a clue the standard of their "journalism".

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  5. What happens when the content isn't worth it? by hyperar · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Sure, revenue must come from somewhere, but, what happens when your product doesn't worth what you ask for it and you're not willing to compromise your privacy with third parties that do whatever they want with it?.

    1. Re:What happens when the content isn't worth it? by bws111 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The same thing that happens in the real world: you do without the product, and the seller does without the revenue. Quite simple.

    2. Re:What happens when the content isn't worth it? by mister_playboy · · Score: 1

      Sometimes. Sometimes the seller has enough economic clout to bribe the government into requiring you to purchase their product.

      Welcome to crony capitalism.

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    3. Re:What happens when the content isn't worth it? by bws111 · · Score: 1

      Name one of those times.

    4. Re:What happens when the content isn't worth it? by mister_playboy · · Score: 1

      The Affordable Healthcare Act,.

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    5. Re:What happens when the content isn't worth it? by bws111 · · Score: 1

      The AHA does not require you to purchase any particular product from any particular seller. Try again.

    6. Re:What happens when the content isn't worth it? by mister_playboy · · Score: 1

      No thanks. Faith in the hand of the free market is not subject to counterexample.

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    7. Re:What happens when the content isn't worth it? by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Hulu allows you to choose between ads, not choose "no ads". Obamacare allows a limited choice of options, but freedom is not one of them.

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  6. And nothing of value was lost by dunkelfalke · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Bild is the worst example of German yellow press. I seriously doubt that people who are intelligent enough to install an ad blocker would read bild.de anyway.

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  7. Actually that seems quite reasonable by Chrisq · · Score: 1

    Actually that seems quite reasonable. At least they give you the choice. I don't like sites that say "you can't view this site with adblock", but with a choice and a reasonable monthly charge for add-free use I'd be happy with it. If it was a site that I used a lot I'd probably pay the subscription. If I decided that I did not use it enough to justify that at least I wouldn't have the feeling that the ads were being forced on me.

  8. Neo's response to Agent Smith is in order by Morgaine · · Score: 3, Funny

    It seems that the news industry believes we cannot do without them, and that we must pay for the privilege of keeping them in business.

    It's quite hysterical. They're in for a big surprise.

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    1. Re:Neo's response to Agent Smith is in order by cdrudge · · Score: 1

      It seems that the news industry believes we cannot do without them, and that we must pay for the privilege of keeping them in business.

      Doesn't that apply to pretty much every business though? A business that doesn't make money doesn't stay in business too long.

  9. No problem by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 2

    As long as I can also block the request to turn off the ad blocker, so it looks as if the site is simply dysfunctional, I'm fine with that. I'm even fine with blocking the whole domain. Bild is the worst "newspaper" one could imagine, it's certainly not a loss for anyone.

  10. Undetectable adblocker by ickleberry · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Would it be possible to create an adblocker that loads all the ads but replaces them with beige squares just before they hit the framebuffer? Or would the latest JavaShit technology still be able to detect these?

    1. Re:Undetectable adblocker by hyperar · · Score: 2

      Would it be possible to create an adblocker that loads all the ads but replaces them with beige squares just before they hit the framebuffer? Or would the latest JavaShit technology still be able to detect these?

      Yes, but part of the problem is loading ads, they can carry malware, they can play sounds, loading times and bandwidth consumption will increase compared to a regular AdBlocker. Plus, the best thing we can do is letting them know that we are not going to accept their ads.

    2. Re:Undetectable adblocker by jabuzz · · Score: 1

      Put them on a very slow download rate, basically rate limit the ads so they take much longer to download than you would spend on the page.

      To counter the malware aspect of ads, if you do nothing with the downloaded binary data then your chances of getting any sort of infection from it is effectively zero. It's opening them up and trying to parse the data that gets you into trouble.

    3. Re:Undetectable adblocker by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Insightful

      To counter the malware aspect of ads, if you do nothing with the downloaded binary data then your chances of getting any sort of infection from it is effectively zero.

      Except if I don't trust it, why the hell would I download it? Why would I waste bandwidth on crap I don't want or trust?

      The ad sources have already demonstrated themselves to be shady and not trustworthy.

      The average web site seems to think 20+ external sites all tracking what you do is OK. Sorry, but I am not here to support the business model of 20 tracking companies who have nothing to do with me.

      I won't click on the ads, and I sure as hell will keep blocking the hell out of them. If a website shows me the thing to turn on cookies, or enable javascript, or tells me that I can't see their site with an adblocker ... I'll simply leave.

      All those external entities on a website who want my data can fully expect that I will block them as much as I can.

      It's absolutely mind-boggling the sheer amount of CRAP in the average web-page, and once you start running the blockers and seeing just how much there is, the idea of turning off those blockers seems idiotic.

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    4. Re:Undetectable adblocker by tepples · · Score: 1

      Put them on a very slow download rate, basically rate limit the ads so they take much longer to download than you would spend on the page.

      Then watch the other elements on page not finish downloading until the ads are completely downloaded and their display is confirmed.

    5. Re:Undetectable adblocker by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

      Would it be possible to create an adblocker that loads all the ads but replaces them with beige squares just before they hit the framebuffer?

      That's misses the point for most people.
      Few people are bothered by the ad itself. They want faster loading time, less tracking, no obstruction, etc... It's like replacing TV ads with a beige screen, I don't really hate TV ads, but I hate it when my program is interrupted.

    6. Re:Undetectable adblocker by fnj · · Score: 1

      I think the question is better stated, couldn't you transfer all the ad data and just send it to /dev/null? Presto, no sounds, no flash, no gaudy images.

      The bandwidth hit remains as an objection, but tell me what the is the security difference between not transferring malware, and transferring it to /dev/null.

    7. Re:Undetectable adblocker by fnj · · Score: 1

      Except if I don't trust it, why the hell would I download it?

      I think the answer to that question is obvious. Clearly they can detect when you are not sucking on the crap feed, and take countermeasures. Continuing to transfer the crap, but sending it to /dev/null addresses that problem.

    8. Re: Undetectable adblocker by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      Don't forget to have the app click all ads as well, each ad clicked costs the advertised money.3

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    9. Re:Undetectable adblocker by cfalcon · · Score: 1

      Yes, and it will probably come to this. You may find that there's a local program on your machine pretending to be you viewing the ads for you, running their scripts, and feeding them false data about everything.

      Right now, ad blockers simply leave out the offending content, saving you bandwidth, preventing the ads from playing, and preventing the exploits from owning your browser. A much more complex solution would not save you bandwidth, but it would be absolutely undetectable from the remote, who will think you are a good little piggie eating up their stupid ads.

      The more sites that get aggressive, the quicker we run towards that.

    10. Re:Undetectable adblocker by cfalcon · · Score: 1

      Then have a program that spoofs that crap and sends the "yessir, it has been viewed" back to the server.

      I own the machine. It will do what I want.

    11. Re:Undetectable adblocker by tepples · · Score: 1

      Then have a program that spoofs that crap and sends the "yessir, it has been viewed" back to the server.

      The information needed to compute the "yessir, it has been viewed" is unavailable without downloading the whole thing.

  11. New model by bengoerz · · Score: 2

    I would love to see a company that would:
    1.Allow customers to make a single monthly payment, which would be distributed among participating websites according to some metric like pageviews or time-on-site
    2.Force participating websites to commit to a no-ads policy in order to participate in the revenue

    What will probably happen is that paid subscribers will continue to be served ads, especially from "acceptable" publishers.

    1. Re:New model by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      Isn't that how patreon works? Or some other service that started just a few days ago. (Sorry forgot the name. Typical Web2.0 I think. Waooaa, Paperoo, Readaa... a z might be missing.)

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    2. Re:New model by swb · · Score: 1

      Won't somebody just game the system and force page reloads or some other statistic-generating scheme?

    3. Re:New model by turp182 · · Score: 1

      That's called cable television, right down to your last sentence.

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    4. Re:New model by Mandrel · · Score: 1

      Allow customers to make a single monthly payment, which would be distributed among participating websites according to some metric like pageviews or time-on-site.

      Would these be voluntary payments like Flattr, or would the site be paywalled to non-payers? If the former, how many will pay just for the good vibes, or pay to remove ads that their ad-blocker is already removing? If the latter, how will they survive initially becoming invisible to most, including social sharers?

      Blendle shows that a walled pay-per-article option (with refunds when you don't like what you get) can work for an agglomeration of quality articles. But participants risk losing existing subscribers to a system where they're just one source among many, drastically cutting their revenue.

    5. Re:New model by NotInHere · · Score: 1

      Ten ways how to generate more clicks.

  12. This is probably the future. by Spottywot · · Score: 1

    If a site is up to make money then it has one of three options, 1 Ads,2 Selling your personal data, or 3 subscriptions. No-one really likes any of them but the trouble is that option 3 just sends people running in the opposite direction.

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    1. Re:This is probably the future. by MacTO · · Score: 1

      The problem with subscriptions is that you're giving them personal data that you wouldn't be giving them otherwise, data which is more valuable than the stuff gathered from advertising alone. There are also few guarantees that they won't contract out user tracking even there is no explicit advertising. Even the privacy policies aren't worth the paper they're not printed on. Most include a clause that they can change the terms at any time and most include a clause that they can share the data that they collect with their "partners". Such clauses are dangerous even if the company is entirely trustworthy since it only takes the sale of the company to change what "partners" mean or to change the terms of service.

      So thank you but no thank you on subscriptions. It's not money that's the issue here, at least not for me. Heck, it's not even advertising that's the issue. I run ad blockers on my devices to minimize the amount of personal data that is leaked. It has nothing at all to do with the actual advertising.

    2. Re:This is probably the future. by Spottywot · · Score: 1

      Good points, but there then has to be a fourth option, something that hasn't been considered yet. With the prevalence of adblockers now online publications are going to have to come up with something. Whether that is sites managing there own ads and making them static and tasteful as has been suggested(after all noone gets cross at ads in the printed press) ,in other threads or something else, there has to be another solution that works for everyone.

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  13. 2.99? by alexgieg · · Score: 1

    I somehow doubt they actually get 2.99 euros in ad revenue per reader per month so as to make this a fair exchange. More like 0.10, maybe?

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    1. Re:2.99? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      I was wondering if they always had that fee and if it was in lieu of ads or just a reduction in them.

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  14. Fuck you by DogDude · · Score: 4, Informative

    Dear publisher: Fuck you. I'm happy with either paying for journalism or viewing YOUR ads. I'm not going to allow your web site to shove somebody else's ads in my face. If you want to sell ads, then sell ads. Including some piece of code from an ad wholesaler isn't going to fly, in the same way I wouldn't accept an unknown package wrapped in brown paper from other random people trying to sell me shit along with my paper newspaper or paper magazine.

    Sell your own ads, publishers. That's part of your job. If you can't be bothered to do that, then I can't be bothered to help you get paid.

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    1. Re: Fuck you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's my thought exactly! Print publishers always sold their own ads and still do. There modern publishers simply farm out their ads to other services. Blocking is easy!

      If they served their own ads, inline, with their own servers, their self-created problem would go away! There would be no need to inject cookies and other malware since they know how many image downloads occur.

      Am I missing something here?

    2. Re:Fuck you by istartedi · · Score: 1

      Bingo! Advertisers aren't expected to trust the publisher; but we're expected to trust a 3rd party sitting between the advertiser and the publisher? No. If publishers are lying about circulation you can sue them. That system wasn't broken.

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    3. Re: Fuck you by corychristison · · Score: 1

      This x 1000.

      There are a few forum's i am a member of that I haven't even needed to disable Adblock, because the ads are straight <img> wrapped in an <a> served directly from the same top-level domain I am visiting.

      I think the biggest banner they have is 250x250px. A few are animated GIF's, most are static images.

      I have zero problems with this. If only more sites operated like this. Slapping in a bunch of ad network's javascript code is a very easy way to get the ads blocked before anyone can even see them.

  15. Re:Cynical view? by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

    Hence the name: "Bild" (= Picture) "Newspaper" for people who hate to read, Or lack the brains to understand what they're reading.

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  16. Just tried it by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 3, Informative
    Just tried it. I can still access it. No ads. Lots of yellow news. I use noscript.

    (Btw, just accessed it for testing, out of curiosity, not for reading the yellow news...)

    1. Re:Just tried it by 4im · · Score: 2

      With only Ghostery active in Firefox, I can't access bild.de.

      It seems that the FF version I got here at work doesn't have the option to block JavaScript anymore, so can't test there how the site behaves.

      Using w3m in cygwin though, I get all the (text) contents (aww, no boobies, probably the only reason one might want to visit bild.de in the first place).

      So I guess their adblocker-detection is based on JavaScript.

      For bild.de, I definitely don't consider it a loss, but I do hope certain other news sites don't follow the same road.

      Btw, NZZ (Neue Zürcher Zeitung) similarly (using JavaScript) will block if you view more than 20 articles inside a month or so.

    2. Re:Just tried it by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1
      I still get the pictures. Indeed, that's the whole point. So much that the name of the paper "Bild" is even the German word for picture.

      However, looking more closely, I actually do get some (fortunately rather unintrusive) ads. They are not on the title page, but on the top right side of some of the articles (such as the one about the "rules on the freeway", but strangely enough no other...). Sorry, I missed them earlier, as I didn't actually go to the articles, but stayed on the main page.

    3. Re:Just tried it by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      So I guess their adblocker-detection is based on JavaScript.

      It has to be, it's not possible to detect server-side if the client is going to send a request to download the third-party resources that you're telling it to.

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  17. Dear Advertisers, by Scutter · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Dear Advertisers,

    We had a social contract. In exchange for our attention, you agreed to fund our entertainment. But you squandered that agreement and broke our contract. Simply getting our attention wasn't enough for you. In your zeal to make your ads stand out over the others, you started using insecure technologies that exposed your customers to attack. When you realized that your customers were commodities to be bought and sold, you tried to monetize us. You started using tracking cookies. You sold us to your friends and partners. You violated our trust. And now you're asking us to trust you again but you haven't done a single thing to earn that trust back. Quite the contrary, in fact, you continue to abuse us over and over.

    Advertisers, you have asked us to return to the old model but have given us no reason to do so. I will continue to block your ads and your malignant tumors until you have proven without a shadow of a doubt that you have mended your ways. Until then, SCREW YOU.

    Sincerely,
    Your former customers

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    1. Re:Dear Advertisers, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You and I never were the customers. We always were the merchandise. The customers are the companies that order the ads. Not us.

  18. hmm, this is not working by sxpert · · Score: 1

    looks like it fails to detect the use of noscript ;)

  19. Malware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    So does that mean that the company is going to take full responsibility for the malware they spread through ads? I thought not.

  20. Yes. It's An Epic Fail. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Their ad blocker banner requires JavaScript. Running NoScript circumvents it.

    1. Re:Yes. It's An Epic Fail. by tepples · · Score: 1

      This has a countermeasure: deliver only the first paragraph to NoScript users (and to search engine robots), and deliver the rest through AJAX.

  21. Works find for me by grub · · Score: 1

    Works fine for me with uMatrix. Of course I don't know German that well, so...

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  22. Well by Ryanrule · · Score: 1

    Are they actually blocking, or are they putting up a stupid DIV overlay which you can defeat in a hot millisecond?

    1. Re:Well by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      They redirect.

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  23. Sounds Fair to me by ripvlan · · Score: 1

    We all have different reasons why to use adblocker - historically it was we didn't want to see ads or they made the viewing experience slower, and now malware.

    And of course the content owner needs to pay the bills.

    Previously many sites didn't have the option to allow viewers to pay a subscription fee. This seems completely fair trade. Another model is "pay what you want" (kind of the Public Radio/TV model in the USA).

    1. Re:Sounds Fair to me by messymerry · · Score: 1

      Sadly, I use Firefox for most of my browsing. I have noscript, ghostery, and privacy badger running there. Very nice experience. When I have to visit crap sites, I use Midori Private Browsing. Also a very nice experience. Everywhere I look, I see Ads. I'm sick of it.

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    2. Re:Sounds Fair to me by fnj · · Score: 1

      Another model is "pay what you want"

      Fine. I don't want to pay anything. What kind of crazy person wants to squander money on nothing? It's called "tragedy of the commons". Look it up.

    3. Re:Sounds Fair to me by ripvlan · · Score: 1

      uhh, well. I would think using an Ad blocker is more like "Commons" than pay-as-you-want. Everyone consumes to the detriment of all.

      With pay-what-you-want - people add to the system which (they believe) has value. Sure some sit out, but the cause is seen as important and many (enough) want to join in and support the system.

      With ad blocking, people just consume.

  24. I'll be transparent after the advertisers are by sjbe · · Score: 1

    I've been seeing more requests than ever recently to "please turn off Adblocker" while browsing.

    I see the same thing and my response is basically that I'll turn it off when I am paid in cash to view the add AND all tracking data is provided to me for review and possible veto. Until then they can go perform sexual acts on themselves. Their bad business model is not my problem.

    If a site is important enough to me, I'll pay a nominal fee rather than slow loading times with what is often intrusive hogwash.

    Exactly. I do subscribe to a few sites that I find particularly valuable to me. The rest of them aren't valuable enough for me to worry about. If they paywall it off then I'll just go elsewhere but they aren't getting a penny from me, directly or indirectly. I'm certainly not paying for something (including in the form of personal info) before I've had a chance to evaluate the site and I never once agreed to view the ads or have my activities tracked.

  25. Need a new form of adblock by McFly777 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Perhaps what is needed is a new form of adblock, which actually loads the ads, possibly on a low priority basis*, but doesn't display them.

    *Thinking along the lines of accept the first 1k of the ad, then go slow on the TCP responses, until the main-page/non-ad-identified bits have finished. I am looking for a system such that the ads are downloading to /dev/null while I am reading the ad-free page.

    Of course the negative response to that will be to put some active content in the ad such that the article will not display until the ad "payload" is actively processed and phones home. Thus blurring the line between ads and malware even more than it is already. (at times)

    (If someone is already doing this sort of thing, please don't flame me, just inform. Frankly, although I used to maintain block lists, etc., I gave up years ago. Well not completely; I do attempt to avoid certain publishers, but that is on a more manual basis rather than automated.)

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  26. Simple hack: disable Javascript? by Crowd+Computing · · Score: 2
    The site appears to be using a Javascript-based anti-adblocker. When I disable Javascript, I can get past the adblock warning. I don't read German, but here's proof:

    Weil auf dem Campus in Austin schon bald das Tragen von Waffen erlaubt sein soll, planen sie, sich etwas in die RucksÃcke zu stecken, das auf dem GelÃnde streng verboten ist â" Dildos!

    1. Re:Simple hack: disable Javascript? by dmomo · · Score: 1

      Disabling Javascript is becoming less practical as now many sites are loading content dynamically. A lot of pages simply won't work, unfortunately.

  27. Time for User TOS? by ramriot · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Ok so your site needs money from Ads to survive, I get it, we all have to make compromises. But you are serving those ads via un-vetted bloated 3rd party scripts which can harbor malware, cost me time and money & track my Ass between sites. Therefore if you put up a page that asks me to accept your 3rd party Scripted Ads, I will send you a copy of my User Terms of Service for you to agree too. In which you will find clauses that require you to accept responsibility for all 1st, 2nd & 3rd party content and resources served by your site and all losses incurred should that adversely affect my systems, privacy etc.

    Alternatively, if you wish to serve all Ads in a 1st party context without scripting then I'm powerless to stop you and would be much happier.

    So in the end to me its not the Ads themselves that are the problem, but how they are delivered and what hidden factors are present that I consider a detriment to my using your site.

  28. Score one for the Lord of Hosts by tepples · · Score: 1

    [on] my home consumer-grade broadband router [...] I had forgotten how many of the mainstream ad servers I'd manually blocked by hostname

    APK would be proud of you.

  29. Malware-blocking by simplypeachy · · Score: 5, Informative

    Christ, nearly 6MB in 642 URL requests just to load their home page once. Anyhoo, from two full fetches of their home page. Excepting the dozens of trackers and advert organisations that I haven't noted to be involved in malware, we have:

    smartclip.net: Party to LG "Smart TV" spying without consent.
    turn.com: Repeated malware advertisments to-date. Most recently infecting iPhones.
    ads.yahoo.com: Repeated malware advertisments to-date.
    serving-sys.com: Repeated malware advertisments to-date.
    advertising.com: Repeated malware advertisments to-date.
    adnxs.com: Repeated malware advertisments to-date, including Angler Exploit Kit via MSN.com
    adscale.de: Malware advertisements.
    adsrvr.org: Malware adverts, pushing virus-infected toolbars
    rubiconproject.com: Repeated malware bundlers, unwanted toolbars, search result injectors, home-page meddling
    mathtag.com: Malware advertisements.
    openx.net: Repeated malware advertisments to-date.
    bidswitch.net: Malware advertising. Most recently infecting iPhones.

    This isn't advert blocking. It's a crucial layer of system security.

  30. New generation of adblockers by kheldan · · Score: 1

    What we need is a new generation of adblockers: Have it download whatever the ad material is, but just don't render it, and if it includes javascript, fake-execute it in a sandbox. Then advertisers will get paid, and you don't have to see ads, and nobody is the wiser because they won't know the difference. Face it: People who don't want to see ads are going to do whatever they have to to not be subjected to them, and people who don't care about ads will see them.

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    1. Re:New generation of adblockers by Mandrel · · Score: 1

      Yes, you can create a browser that uses a shadow-DOM to make JavaScript think that all ads are loaded and not hidden, while some elements are blocked in the DOM seen by the user.

      This wouldn't however stop tactics such as obfuscating and randomizing ad URLs and page locations so that pattern-matching block lists won't work.

    2. Re:New generation of adblockers by fnj · · Score: 1

      What we need is a new generation of adblockers: Have it download whatever the ad material is, but just don't render it, and if it includes javascript, fake-execute it in a sandbox. Then advertisers will get paid, and you don't have to see ads, and nobody is the wiser because they won't know the difference. Face it: People who don't want to see ads are going to do whatever they have to to not be subjected to them, and people who don't care about ads will see them.

      Isn't the problem with this that javascript has to be executed (for real) in order to get any content at all for many websites? How do you tell the difference between a script downloading crap and a script downloading authentic content? This would turn into the same performance-clobbering cluster fuck as the virus/antivirus war on Windows.

  31. They'll invent "a compelling reason" by tepples · · Score: 1

    However, I'm not running scripts unless I have a compelling reason to do so.

    Then watch sites twist overage costs on cellular and satellite Internet into such "a compelling reason":

    "Many ISPs meter your data. To save you money, this photo collection uses WebP compression. There are two ways to view it: switch to a web browser supporting WebP, or enable JavaScript to use our Canvas WebP decoder."

    "Many ISPs meter your data. To save you money, we deliver only the parts of the article that you actually read. To continue reading past the lead paragraph, please enable JavaScript."

    1. Re:They'll invent "a compelling reason" by Blue23 · · Score: 1

      "Many ISPs meter your data. To save you money, we deliver only the parts of the article that you actually read. To continue reading past the lead paragraph, please enable JavaScript."

      I've hit into this, both to load more data or to enable the javascript to remove the CSS fadeout/fuzz over the rest of the article.

      I usually don't go to those places again.

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      LITTLE GIRL: But which cookie will you eat FIRST? C. MONSTER: Me think you have misconception of cookie-eating process.
  32. When do ad networks get sued for spreading malware by WCMI92 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Nope. If you want to block my adblocker, fine, I won't go there.

    I find NO ad acceptable, but if web ads acted like newspaper ads and sat there, didn't try to distract me from reading, didn't take over my screen, didn't make noise, flash, throb, etc, I'd TOLERATE it.

    These days, ad networks are so laden with malware and viruses (when is Google or another ad network going to get sued for not vetting content?) that an ad blocker is antivirus for your web browser!

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  33. Countermeasures by jdavidb · · Score: 1

    Major European publishing house Axel Springer has instituted countermeasures against users who employ adblocking software

    No problem. I'm sure adblocking users will soon employ countermeasures against Axel Springer, if they still want to see it.

  34. I'm surprised nobody ever mentions this by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 2

    in discussions about Adblock defeat sites: Anti Adblock killer. Works dandy for me.

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    1. Re:I'm surprised nobody ever mentions this by The+Eight-Bit+Link · · Score: 1

      Aw, wish I hadn't posted. I would all my modpoints to you.

  35. Irish TV & Radio Website Already Does This by daedalus2097 · · Score: 1

    The national broadcaster in Ireland already does this on their internet streaming service. I wouldn't even mind so much except that I also have to listen to the advertising they broadcast, in addition to paying for the service via the Irish TV licence system.

    I raised a ticket about the issue, haven't heard back...

  36. A year's subscription to read one page by tepples · · Score: 1

    It's become common for a user to read only one article on each of ten sites when he finds articles through web search, citations from other sites, or social sharing. How is anybody going to be willing to subscribe to each of those sites? A pay per page model would have to deal with transaction fees that payment processors charge, which are fairly large for the credit card networks. Even Bitcoin imposes a fee of 0.0001 BTC (currently 2.5 cents) on any transaction smaller than 0.01 BTC (currently 2.50 USD) to discourage "dust spam".

  37. For those who care by The+Eight-Bit+Link · · Score: 1

    If you really wanted to make it stop, there's a single blob of Javascript that does the redirection. I wouldn't know how to do it, but it seems the variable(or array or object, I don't know what it is in JS) 'de.bild.cmsKonfig' contains the actual redirection URL. I imagine a userscript designed to set that to null would render their anti-adblocking useless.

  38. Re:Hosts files "fit the bill" vs. clarityray metho by tepples · · Score: 1

    I agree that DNS-level blocking is effective. It was effective for TWX, who blocked ads on a DNS proxy built into a home router. But it relies on an anomaly in the present web advertising market, namely that ads are delivered from a different hostname from the rest of the site. Thus a site can defeat it by serving the ads and the rest of the site from the same hostname.

    the program I built for custom hosts file generation is completely FREE, no strings attached

    Does it come with the ability and right to make and distribute improved versions? If not, that's a string.

  39. Re:Blocking ads on Slashdot by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    I used to not block any ads from any site, but Slashdot changed all that when they sent me a video ad that instead of perhaps following me scrolling the page down, yanked me to the top of the Slashdot page where the ad lived.

  40. Big Bro by truck_soccer · · Score: 1

    If you mention a product or service while one of your "smart" devices is within earshot, have fun watching/hearing the same commercial for that product/service over and over and over and over and over and over and over on tv, steaming sights, and digital radio stations, also be prepared for amazon and other shopping ads on websites trying to sell that same product/service to you. They have you by the wallet. If you want entertainment, you either deal with being tracked like an endangered Rhino, or you pay out your asshole for all the different content providers.

  41. Sandbox your browser already by tepples · · Score: 1

    If your web browser is vulnerable, then a script in a page that you view can attack your box even if it isn't an advertisement. Get a web browser that isn't vulnerable, such as a web browser that runs in a sandboxed process.

  42. Smack by sociocapitalist · · Score: 1

    What we need are ad blockers that spoof being non-ad blockers

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  43. Very German by argStyopa · · Score: 1

    ...to insist the world work the way you believe it should work.

    Too bad that Capitalism will kick your ass.

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    -Styopa
    1. Re:Very German by argStyopa · · Score: 1

      While their technical competence is unmatched, Germans are not famous for their flexibility.
      My basis in fact?

      I've worked for a German firm for 25 years, and their initial response when a customer has a problem with the product is "they're probably using it wrong". Then our newer techs reflexively simply disbelieve that there could be a technical flaw.

      My wife worked as a phone systems admin and she said that in her experience Rolm were great phones...as long as you used them exactly the way that they expected you to. If you had a different need, or wanted a slightly different configuration, first you had to convince their techs WHY you needed it, and if they thought it 'valid' you could get their grudging help in the very, very complicated process of change.

      SAP = astonishingly capable business software, if you're capable of pounding the 'square peg' of your business into the 'round hole' of their approach. Example? I can tell when one of our customers has SAP because suddenly all their PO#s are 10 digits, starting with 45000...

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      -Styopa
  44. When the majority of search results have walls by tepples · · Score: 1

    If the majority of sites in the top ten results from a major search engine look like WSJ or Elsevier/Wiley journals, with a paywall or anti-ad-blocking measures required to view past the first paragraph, the web will become a more frustrating place. I have already run into this problem with paywalls when I search for certain linguistics topics on Google.

  45. This is exactly the right thing to do. by mellon · · Score: 1

    I wish more online pubs would do it. I'm not willing to look at ads, but don't mind paying for good content. I hope this works for them.

  46. Doesn't work by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

    I went there with AdBlock on and could read as much as I wanted to, view all the articles, everything.

    Whatever they're doing, they're doing it wrong.

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  47. it does not work or is not yet on by aepervius · · Score: 1

    I went to bild.de with adblock. I don't see the blocking, browsed article, and yes I live in germany with german IP. Most probably it also require java script or flash, so it does not work with anybody comboing flashblocking with adblocking.

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  48. No loss. Seriously. In more way than one. by Qbertino · · Score: 1

    Bild is the epitome of shoddy and sensationalist journalism in Germany, sort of like the Daily Mail in the UK.
    I doubt the people smart enough to use adblocking read the Bild. And if so, all the better.

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    We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
  49. uMatrix Works. by CrashNBrn · · Score: 1

    Firefox with uMatrix* works fine. No requests for 0.99c.

    I highly doubt I'll ever visit bild.de again though, it's just a tabloid. Although since it is not the USA there are Tits. Much like other countries UK, Canada, France, Germany, etc Tits are revered as glorious things as opposed to the place where nipples go that will scar scare and corrupt your children.

    (*) No changes to uMatrix's config|settings. And I don't subscribe to the automated lists for uMatrix.

    1. Re:uMatrix Works. by CrashNBrn · · Score: 1

      It has access to the regular AdBlock lists among others, that it utilizes to make custom rules for websites - so that things like Videos will work - without you needing to muck about with whitelisting yourself. I rather have control and whitelist what I want. What works especially well is Flash Control + uMatrix, without needing to whitelist the slew of XSS that most multimedia requires to display, "Flash Control" allows say an embedded video on foobar.com to run without needing to whitelist all of the possible IP's or cloud-services that the content might be hosted on --- while still blocking everything else 3rd-party.

    2. Re: uMatrix Works. by easyTree · · Score: 1

      Seeing breasts does not lead to gun sales. Where is your decency?

  50. Financing journalism by garry_g · · Score: 1

    Sure, good journalism needs good pay ... but what Springer - and especially their "Bild" paper does is neither. Apart from that, their blocking won't work if you have a JS blocker, too ... :) So their technical abilities are similarly good as their journalistic ones ;)

  51. I'll view your ads if... by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

    If you want me to view your site without an ad blocker then only have a few non-obtrusive ads (no blinking, no flash, no auto-play, not overly large in file size and in screen size), don't link to trackers as you have logs to see how I navigate your site, don't use excessive scripting, make sure your site is secure, your HTML is good so that browser doesn't have render the page again (for example provide image widths and heights), don't use pop-up, and provide good value.

  52. In other news, less people visit site. by Tyr07 · · Score: 2

    People discovered that they don't actually need to access the news site and just go elsewhere.

    Look, your joy of over advertising the fuck out of everything is dying. Like climate change, you went too far, you fucked up, you can't scale back now.

    We're tired of fake download buttons downloading malware, sites trying to misdirect us or trick us into clicking things for that precious revenue stream. We're tired of being tricked and treated like shit by advertisers.

    So now we block them. We don't want to see it, at all, and you can't make it up to us now. Shit has hit the fan, I guess you all should have thought of this before 'someone ruined it for the rest of you'

    Should have been more choosey over what advertising agency gets to run ads on your site.

  53. Re:AdBlock+ = inferior & 'souled-out' vs. host by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    All you're doing is making sure that I NEVER EVER use APK.

    NEVER.

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  54. Ads delivered the same way as malware by Blue23 · · Score: 1

    Most people wouldn't use ad blocking if the advertisers didn't allow malware laden ads be served to their PC's turning them into mindless drones for a botnet. They could fix that problem easily by turning around and vetting ads. Or if the ads weren't so obtrusive and annoying either. Bet we'll see within 3 months that they're reversing this stance, or within a year it shuts down.

    I allow ads ... but I block javascript and flash except for a short whitelist and don't have java for browser. That cuts out malware, but also happens to cut out a good amount of ads.

    If the advertisers just put up a static image ad I would see it. If they want to use the same delivery mechanisms as malware I don't feel for them.

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  55. We can do much worse by johannesg · · Score: 1

    We can do much worse than simply ignoring them. We can write some software that downloads their ads, and clicks on everything that can be clicked, _without ever showing it to the user_. Overnight the value of a click-through would plummet, as these mechanical (and worthless) clicks cannot be distinguished from real clicks.

    So, is this a risk the advertising industry wants to take?

  56. Not necessarily malware... by bradley13 · · Score: 2

    I've had malware served as an ad, but that's unusual. The bigger problem is the sheer volume of stuff. One news site that I visit semi-regularly tries to load things from as many as thirty external sites - it varies wildly. I just now opened their page to see today's number: on the home page Ghostery blocks 12, AdBlock Plus another 4. Go to an article, and the numbers rise to 17 and 4. Sorry, that's just too much crap: I am visiting one site, not twenty-two. The site loads many, many times faster without all of that crap.

    If they were to give me a choice between seeing their site with ads, or never visiting again, it would be an easy choice: bye-bye. Crappy media sites that regurgitate articles written elsewhere are a dime a dozen. If a site with useful, original content were to take that tack...well, why would they? I subscribe to the sites I value most, and then feel entirely justified in blocking their ads. /. falls somewhere in the middle. I'm supposed to be able to turn off ads, which would be nice, but they turn back on randomly. Anyway, what's with the trackers? The mobile site seems to ignore the ad setting entirely and has been showing the same crappy ads for stupid apps for weeks now. So I leave everything blocked. At the moment, that amounts to seven external sites that I have no desire to see (or be tracked by).

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  57. Automate the Do-Not-Wants by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

    I won't click on the ads, and I sure as hell will keep blocking the hell out of them. If a website shows me the thing to turn on cookies, or enable javascript, or tells me that I can't see their site with an adblocker ... I'll simply leave.

    Hmm. I can't advocate DDOS-level of shenanigans, but if there were a couple of bots targeting news sites (if they are reputable, they owe open access to promote open societies, IMHO) that opened the sites with adblocking in place, waited a few seconds for the begging prompt, and then just... left. If there was a large bump in traffic showing just that 'screw you, I'm out of here' reaction, that might help accelerate the end to this greedy folly.

  58. And we have the right to say by BenLutgens · · Score: 1

    Fuck off! And not view the site. Which is probably crap anyway.

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  59. Does it worth it ? by lolop · · Score: 1

    If you consider Bild to be good press, then support their work and pay it. Else zip it.

    In France we have an Internet pure player, Mediapart. No ad. Paid access to articles built from real journalist work.

    Ad is evil for press, its a pressure tool to control published content.

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  60. Re:AdBlock+ = inferior & 'souled-out' vs. host by SlashdotWanker · · Score: 1

    Agreed. will never use it 100% because of the developers conduct on /.

  61. Also that aside by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

    It demonstrates how lazy publishers have become with regards to ads online. With an actual paper, or TV show, the publisher gets and curates ads. They have a staff who sells the ad space, they work with production to determine where the ad fill will go and so on. So the only ads are ones they approved, and they are mixed in with the content in ways they chose.

    Online, they just say "Fuck it, I don't wanna." They include links directly back to ad network servers and let those people serve up whatever they want which can include malware, as you noted. They aren't willing to spend any time doing curation, they just want to hand it all to someone else and collect money. Well guys, the result of that is really annoying things like pop ups and dangerous things like malware. The result of those are people turning to blocking ads.

  62. Re:When do ad networks get sued for spreading malw by WCMI92 · · Score: 1

    Why can't they be sued by the victim? I guarantee over a billion a year is spent on malware removal!

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  63. Re:AdBlock+ = inferior & 'souled-out' vs. host by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

    Apk's shows /. that shills-trolls can't prove him validly technically wrong using tools that do less + use more.

    That sentence should be taken out and shot.

    If he wants to show his product is better he should do it without spamming. That's never going to make me decide to try it, and if he's willing to relentlessly spam slashdot, what other scummy behavior is he likely to engage in? Backdoors in his APK shitware? Selling my user data to anyone who wants it?

    If you have to spam your product, my response will be "FUCK YOU".

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  64. DNS by Bengie · · Score: 1

    PNGBlocker 2.0 can invalidate DNS records for known ad servers. I don't block ads, I just make them unresolvable via DNS on my home network.

  65. They always miss the point. by nobuddy · · Score: 1

    They demand you stop blocking ads, but never address why people block them in the first place.
    They are not blocked because people hate advertisements. They are blocked because the psychopaths that are drawn to marketing can't learn boundaries and simple decency. Popovers, popunders, java-blackouts, slide-overs, noise, flash that extends itself beyond the ad borders obscuring the content... all that kind of horseshit is why they got blocked.

    Additional to that- the ad-lag introduced by ad servers being massively over-extended. A page that loads in a half a second takes 30 seconds because the ad is coded to load first and make the rest of the page wait on it, while the TRS-80 that is serving the 80,000,000 ad requests per nanosecond struggles to keep up. Not vetting nor reviewing ads, so malware delivery gets pushed out through otherwise trustworthy pages.

    Advertisers- clean house. Unfuck yourselves and your servers. Learn how to not be a sociopath. Then your ads will be allowed through again.
    However, until the guy who invented blackout-popover/slider java ads is publicly crucified, then kicked in the jimmy till his eyes bleed, there will be no forgiveness. This crime against humanity must be made to suffer.

  66. Re:When do ad networks get sued for spreading malw by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    If you can establish who infected you, to the satisfaction of a non-technical jury, you can go ahead and sue. It does require money and commitment.

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  67. HTML, CSS, and image vulns by tepples · · Score: 1

    Even if you remove JavaScript support entirely from your browser, can you prove your browser's HTML, CSS, and image decoding engines are invulnerable?

  68. SEO on a paywalled site by tepples · · Score: 1

    Paywalled sites, such as The Wall Street Journal and scholarly journals that aren't open access, keep up their SEO by stuffing most of the keywords in the abstract.

  69. Re:AdBlock+ = inferior & 'souled-out' vs. host by cfalcon · · Score: 1

    APK, YOU need "anti adblock killer" too, right? These scripts try to retrieve an image from an ad domain, and if they fail to do so (because an adblocker or HOSTS ENGINE prevents that), then they shit all over your screen like the idiot pirates that they are.

    These user script workarounds aren't just for browser based adblocks, they are for host based adblock too. Because they have to modify or neuter a content-domain hosted script that is trying to ruin the browsing experience.

    I think you use these scripts ALONG WITH your ad blocker or hosts engine or whatever.

  70. Re:AdBlock+ = inferior & 'souled-out' vs. host by andymadigan · · Score: 1

    Actually he's obviously wrong on several points. His software won't run on anything but Windows (point #14). It also can't block various things that uBlock/ABP can. Example: that annoying bar at the bottom of Wikia sites, or the donation stuff on Wikipedia, or the native ads on /. So it doesn't "do more with less", at best it does less with less. It also can't block IP addresses, which phishing and malware attacks can and do use.

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  71. Re: You misquoted him tepples... apk by easyTree · · Score: 1

    Too short; not apk

  72. ScriptSafe or NoScript by apetrelli · · Score: 1

    I am using ScriptSafe for Chrome and disabling loading of "code.bildstatic.de" makes the site work. I think that using NoScript may work as well.

  73. An easy fix for everyone. by RonTheHurler · · Score: 1

    As a former LA Times employee and lead engineer on several of their spin-off web sites, I don't understand why this is such a problem.

    I only recently installed adblocking software on all my devices. I resisted, but ultimately I had to. Reading on-line had become extremely unpleasant, or occasionally impossible in the case of some of my older equipment. Adblocking was a breath of fresh air. Now pages actually load instead of hanging for minutes at a time, I don't have to be followed everywhere... you know the story.

    But there are a few places I still see ads, even though I've got the most aggressive settings turned on (angry, I was.) I don't mind the ads I see, because they are respectful, done the old-school way, like newspapers, magazines, TV and radio have always done it. The ad is the same media as the host, served right along with the other content. No weird redirects, no waiting for content from a multitude of servers to load, no friggin javascript nonsense, etc. etc. etc.

    Hey publishers, you want to save the net and get revenue too? Take a lesson from the old school and go back to delivering the ad embedded in the content, in a way that's respectful of your users.
    Hey advertisers, stop being so friggin nefarious and maybe we'll accept your existence like we do elsewhere. When I'm reading a story from the NY Times, blocking the images from the story only hurts me. Give the publisher the display ad just like you did in the columns of the actual paper and our ad-blocking software won't even know its there.

    Everybody can win with a method that's tried and true. Until I am respected by the advertiser, I will not respect the advertiser, nor the publisher who gives them a place to shout from. I will go back to reading actual printed media instead. Ain't no javascript there.

  74. Re:Can AlmostALLAdsBlocked do all this andymadigan by andymadigan · · Score: 1

    I don't use AdBlock Plus, I use uBlock. To answer your points:

    1) My browser blocks malicious sites, I'm certainly not going to trust you over Google.
    2, 3, 4) I find it's better not to get infected by a virus rather than trying to block it from communicating
    5) I don't see Google DNS going down as a big risk, in fact I'd see the possibility of outdated DNS entries in the hosts file as worse
    6) DNS poisoning applies to insecure routers. If my router has a security hole I'm getting it fixed/replaced, not using a sticking plaster
    7) Ghostery and uBlock both block trackers. There are pages that break without them, so I like having a quick switch to turn off this functionality when absolutely needed. I ran into this just yesterday while activating a credit card.
    8, 9) This is absolute bullshit, your software does nothing directly against phishing or spam, this is basically just a duplicate of #1
    10) You won't reduce data usage any more than uBlock does, and my home internet connection isn't capped.
    11) Again, Google Public DNS, no blocks
    12) Any caching resolver can do that
    13) Caching resolver, like the one in my router
    14) Complete lie, your software is Windows only. And if your software isn't required for a hosts solution (which it isn't), then why are you pushing it so hard?
    15) Really? If it's so easy to control where's the source code so I can modify it?
    16) uBlock is much more efficient than ABP was, and the additional features provided by uBlock (like per-site whitelisting and blacklisting) are worth the additional resources.

    I don't actually read your replies to my comments, I had to go and find this one. I do occasionally see the titles. By all means, keep trolling me. The day I stop seeing you post I'll know to start checking the obits. I want to make sure I get a chance to dance on your grave before everyone else gets there.

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    The right to protest the State is more sacred than the State.
  75. No loss by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

    Bild...or better called Blöd is not even worth being called a tabloid. It surely is not a newspaper, more a spewing device of lies and deception. Although its oversimplistic story telling is right on target with the intellect and attention span of the 144 character crowd.