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Israel Meets With Google and YouTube To Discuss Censoring Videos (middleeastmonitor.com)
An anonymous reader writes: Various sources report Israel's Deputy Minister for Foreign Affairs Tzipi Hotovely meeting with representatives of Google and YouTube to discuss censoring Palestinian videos believed to incite violence.
Original aricle (in Hebrew) from Maariv
The open question is how Google and Youtube will define "inciting violence."
Currently, all foreign journalists in the Palestinian territories are required to register with the Israeli military, and all footage must be approved through the Israeli Military Censor's office before being released. However, according to the article in alternet individual Palestinians have been uploading videos showing violence by Israeli soldiers, including execution-style killings, and highlighting the living conditions in the territories, which Israeli authorities consider inflammatory.
Soldiers committing violence. I can't imagine such a thing.
Fuck Israel. They're trying to censor the fact they they have turned into the Nazis.
Go to Youtube now and look up what their soldiers are doing. Look at how Israel treats the "foreigners" (non-Jews) in Palestine.
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>> individual Palestinians have been uploading videos showing violence by Israeli soldiers, including execution-style killings
I think all Israel would need to do is reference YouTube's own Terms of Service, which prohibit videos featuring illegal acts, right? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_YouTube) Or maybe it could copyright all videos featuring its soldiers and go the German route (where YouTube would be liable for violating copyright by hosting videos). /snark
In what respect are they separate entities?
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There are plenty of videos that show what living conditions in the West Bank look like. The most accurate ones are by Corey Gil Shuster, where he talks to the average Palestinian and asks pointed questions.
Not just arabs, he also asks Jews obnoxious questions posed by his audience. As someone who's been there and lived on both sides of the green line, I can tell you first hand how good his videos are.
Palestinians will always be the first to lie to you and tell you they're living in squalor. But their digs are first world. The biggest complaint arabs have is checkpoints. The biggest complaint Jews in Israel have is checkpoints. That much, the average person agrees on.
Gaza is another story. There you have a more extreme class divide, much higher unemployment rates, a lot more poverty; though, still doing pretty good when compared to the rest of the arab world. That said, it's also fair to point out that Gaza hasn't been managed by Israel in almost ten years. And they didn't have to burn their bridges with Egypt. They chose to do that.
Will they also be making preparations to censor Israeli videos that insight violence against Palestine? I'm guessing not since Israel considers that completely acceptable.
I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
"... free speech has been the rule for centuries..."
Something many people are determined to change.
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
sadly both sides are acting atrociously. short of turning both Israel and Palestine into a wasteland I am not sure this will ever get better as both sides have demonstrated time and time again they are incapable of living peacefully.
Almost as if there needed to be an independent arbiter of what videos could be published that didn't live, eat, and breathe an existence biased against the other.
A video celebrating kids blowing themselves up isn't okay, for example.
jews. always victims in their own minds, even when they are the victimizers. enough said.
No videos should EVER pass through any kind of government "Censor"...
If Google supports the genocide of Pakistanis by Israelis then I will stop using google as a search engine.
All of these so-called mass stabbings by little old ladies and 8 year old Pakistanis is sheer bullshit. Meanwhile, Israel is bulldozing their homes over and over again, bombing them, shooting them, by the 10s of thousands all across this summer.
It's disgusting.
I think nearly everyone that's commented on this so far has either missed the point, gone off the deep end, or strayed way off topic.
Israel is not trying to censor speech. They're trying to stop incitement.
In other words, they're trying to stop predominantly arabic language terrorist recruiting and training material.
If you have a rudimentary grasp of Arabic, I highly recommend searching for recruiting and training material put out by groups like Hamas, Islamic Jihad, even Daesh. Though, in truth, if you did, you would probably get flagged by homeland security in whatever country you're in. In that pile there are some real classics like How to Make a Pipe Bomb, Optimal Use of a Suicide Vest, and (my favorite) How to Stab a Jew. These videos are already in violation of Youtube terms of service on at least three counts I can think of.
Nobody is going to take down your stupid "fuck israel" video, and seriously, nobody even wants to.
Unless you're a senior member of Hamas, your opinions simply don't matter to anyone who has any kind of sway in the government.
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The fact is this:
If the Palestinians first stopped firing rockets to made peace, the Jews would put away all their rockets and make peace.
If, however, the Jews first stopped firing rockets to make peace, the Palestinians would just continue the attacks until Israel is destroyed.
Both sides are guilty of atrocities, but this being Slashdot... I'd rather the side that has an industry of designing CPUs for Intel beat the side that has a bizarre totalitarian religion that routinely generates suicide bombers.
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as long as the students at these colleges in the states today dont get to decide whats offensive we should be good
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I usually have faith in the posters on Slashdot, but not on this issue. I think it's going to be easy to see that the American educational system has failed us in profound and meaningful ways.
I hope I'm wrong, but I think you're more likely to see a lot of pent up ignorant self involved anger on this topic, than any attempts at an honest, serious discussion of any actual issues related to Israel.
In the threads above, the readers can't even tell the difference between what is meant by incitement, and what is considered speech. They keep tacking on things that really make me wonder if they have any understanding of the subject at all. It's a very simple distinction.
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Israel is fighting an existential war of self defense.
Yet if I put a different hat on, I see Palestine fighting an existential war of self defense.
Quattuor res in hoc mundo sanctae sunt: libri, liberi, libertas et liberalitas.
as long as the students at these colleges in the states today dont get to decide whats offensive we should be good
Watch it buddy, I'm already 72% triggered according to my smart watch app. So glad I connected these 3d printed jazz hands to the IoT, please remotely activate them for me to signify that you're checking your privilege.
Wise words.
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I think nearly everyone that's commented on this so far has either missed the point, gone off the deep end, or strayed way off topic.
Israel is not trying to censor speech. They're trying to stop incitement.
... by censorship.
In other words, they're trying to stop predominantly arabic language terrorist recruiting and training material.
Trying to stop people from saying something you don't want them to say is known as "censorship". What you're saying here is "I think that in this case censorship is justified."
I admit to some mixed feelings here. I'd like to see videos recruiting people to terrorism pulled down... but I'm skeptical about giving anybody the authority to decide which videos, because that authority can be misused. As has been pointed out, freedom of speech really isn't freedom of speech until it includes allowing people to say things that you personally don't like.
I'm afraid I'd err on the side of freedom here. I don't know if I can trust the government-- any government, but least of all the Israeli government--with the power to decide what to censor.
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We've already determined in the US that internet videos cannot incite violence. We then investigated that possibility (at least) an additional 7 times after determining that fact, and kept coming to the same conclusion. We've thrown many millions of dollars into this question, I thought the Israelis were frugal enough with their money to learn from this and avoid making the same mistake.
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
You don't have to favor the Palestinians to oppose censorship.
... is a meeting going to do any fucking good?
Google and Israel can censor until they are blue in the face, but the workarounds will bypass that.
What's the REAL reason behind this shit?
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
"Various sources?" Come on now. How do we know the entire thing is not made up?
Smells like political propaganda to me.
And this is from a website called: middleeastmonitor.com
Who are the contributors to that site?
Honorary Advisers to the Middle East Monitor
Dr Salman Abu Sita, Palestinian author and member of the Palestinian National Council
Lord Nazir Ahmed of Rotherham, member of The House of Lords
Baroness Jennifer Tonge of Kew, member of The House of Lords
Dr Maria Holt, Lecturer of Democracy and Islam in the Centre for the Study of Democracy in the University of Westminster
Oliver McTernan, Co-Founder and Director of the Forward Thinking organisation
Professor Tariq Ramadan, Professor at Oxford University
If someone killed my wife and children... I would not be above genocide utilizing a bioweapon, and I would be capable of building such a thing, targeted to a specific set of tribes or genomes
Good luck with that one. The problem here is that the two ethnic groups are almost the same: they're both Semitic people, and are extremely closely related genetically. Any bio-weapon targeting Jewish genetics is also going to affect Arabs, and vice-versa.
Something like that might work if, for instance, the Nigerians were really pissed at the Chinese. But with most cases where some ethnic group really hates some other ethnic group, the two groups are more similar to each other than to anyone else. It's kinda like all those cases you see where there's a family-run restaurant, but two brothers in the family have a big fight and suddenly there's two restaurants, the original one, and then a new one across the street with the exact same menu and almost same name.
against Muslim aggression.
Israel is entirely willing to live, in peace, with Arabs.
However, Muslims have hated Jews since the prophet Mohammad walked the earth. Hating Jews is commanded in Islam.
Hamas has launched thousands of rockets into Isreal. Hamas has Jew hatred written into Hamas's charter.
I am seeing massive ignorance about the conflict,
This short video is good starting point.
The History of the Middle East Conflict in 11 Minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZY8m0cm1oY
A fictional video blaming Canadian Palestinians for violence towards Jewish Canadians...none of these events happened in Canada and I personally think it is in bad taste. Especially when they use it on their website: http://www.cija.ca/takeactioni... https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
One has a totalitarian martyrhood culture, and the other is using them as substitute culprits to avenge the Holocaust on. Why side with either? Unless, of course, your apocalyptic cult sees Israel as a key to its end-of-the-world prophecies, which seems to be the case for alarmingly many people.
Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.
alternet? That's your citation? I'm not gonna say it didn't happen but you still haven't provided a citation. Alternet is little more than a comic book.
Actually, YouTube removed videos which were encouraging Palestinians to kill Israelis (and were actually faked), and were clearly in violation of TOS. The stories don't say anything about removing videos of real Israeli attacks on Palestinians. If you search YouTube for "israeli human rights abuses", you'll still find lots of hits.
http://www.reuters.com/article...
Israel says Facebook, YouTube videos encouraging Palestinian attacks
http://www.haaretz.com/israel-...
YouTube Removes Inciting Videos Portraying Murder of Jews, at Israel's Request
Hamas uploaded one video dramatizing stabbing death of two Jews, while cartoon reenacted murder of Eitam and Naama Henkin in West Bank.
Reuters and Haaretz
Oct 08, 2015 8:06 PM
Exaggeration works to the advantage of both sides.
The Israeli organizations like to say, we talked to Google and were successful in getting Google to remove videos, we're effective, and please contribute money to our ongoing effort.
The Palestinian organizations like to say, the Israelis are censoring Google, support our organization and fight this.
Fair enough for this case, giving you the benefit of the doubt, but there are plenty of situations where the corrupt bunch of extremists currently in charge of Israel do so.
One sided war propaganda from a bunch that very much resemble what the Jewish people had to flee from is the order of the day. If this keeps up Israel is going to be treated like South Africa was some years back.
So, you believe the issue here is about choosing a side? To a certain extent that might be true. But let's be fair, until the UN renounces Israel's sovereignty, takes over, disarms the entire region and enforces peace.. preferably peacefully while treating all the people fairly and with respect, there will be no right side. I don't give a shit if you favor Israelis or Palestinians. They're both a disgrace and behave like something out of a grapes of wrath type experiment.
The issue here is whether or not a nation like Israel should be allowed to censor "their enemy" on YouTube and other sites. I have no love for anyone who preaches hate like the Palestinians and Israelis do. I have no respect for anyone who would look their brother in the eye and see an animal when what they really see is a mirror. But, for a moment, imagine Israel being able to claim the videos you site as instigating violence... they do... only a fool would disagree with you on this. There are many videos like this and if I believed I had the right to have them taken down, I would.
But, what about the video of a crying child who lost his mother or father or sister to bombings and raids led by the Israelis... when that child cries out in fear and terror and agony that the Israelis did this to him. That he hates the people who took someone he loves from him. Would you also agree that this video would insight violence? Would you not agree that only a heartless man would not want to cry for this child? Would you not agree that a fighter would see this as his duty to avenge? Would you agree that this video should be taken down too? I personally wouldn't. A video like this should be seen.
At which point between these extremes do we decide which video is appropriate and which insights violence and which insights violence and should be seen... and which ones shouldn't.
This IS NOT an issue of black and white. While I sympathize with the Israeli leadership that these videos are easily a weapon being used against them... I also sympathize with the Palestinians who lack better channels to communicate and sadly lack better things to communicate about. What's worse is, I feel deeply for the Israelis and the Palestinians who actually believe they are doing the right thing because some fool in "their leadership" has convinced them that this is how they should think and behave.
Israel is a completely failed experiment and a place which could be a world wide symbol of peace representing some of the biggest religions is a cesspool of steaming shit instead. Quit picking a side like Israel or Palestine. Instead fight to have them both dissolved and if the US and UN are going to pay for "peace keeping" in the region, then treat it like post-was Germany and just take the damn thing over and treat it as a haven instead and bring peace there.
Why would someone kill your wife and children?
...tell the other side not to wage war. If you don't want war, then give them their land back and make a peace deal.
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Not generally... there is almost no Semite in modern Jews anymore. There are some left of course, but the blood line is far from being so pure. From thousands of years of mixing the bloodlines during their nomadic movements throughout the world, there's almost nothing left. Chances are, the Jews have far more in common with the Russian, Polish and Germans than with the Arabs. Israeli Jews have practically nothing to do with the ancient Jews. It probably would work.
Of course, you can't dispute this with the Jews... these are people who actually believe in things like the Cohan gene. For people who don't know, Cohans and Levis are bloodlines which probably went extinct 2000 years ago and were extremely rare to begin with as these were the direct descendants of the holiest and the most powerful of people in the Israeli empire. Over history, it has been a great goal for many Jews who were known as Israelites which translates correctly to "The bloodline which designates thee as just another schmuck" to promote themselves to Cohan or Levi by never clearly answering which bloodline they were members of and making enough money to move somewhere else and pretend to be either holy or powerful and change their name to Cohen or Levi in the process. A very important additional benefit of this would be to try and arrange a wife who would make good children for their sons and instead of choosing from the generally short and chubby semetic line, they would somehow stumble upon a man willing to allow his daughter to convert for the right price.
Judaism is one of the more ruthless religions due to their internal conflict... bickering... even hatred of each other. It's as bad as going to Church on Christmas and 95% of the people who go there celebrate the humble life and birth of their lord by dressing up as expensively as possible and showing off their new cars.
I think your hat is about 17 sizes too small. It seems to have forced your brain out through your ears.
"Palestine" has never existed as an independent state. The area of the West Bank under dispute belonged to Jordan until 1967. They have since relinquished their claim to the land. "Palestine" cannot be fighting a war for existence no matter which hat you put on, because "Palestine" has never existed. The Arabs in the West Bank are Arabs, not "Palestinians". They have never had an independent nationality, and many of them hold Jordanian citizenship.
Yes.
I (and most Israeli's I know) want Youtube and Google to keep any video that shows improper behavior by soldiers towards Palestinians. It keeps us honest and lets us prosecute criminals, even if they are wearing uniforms. This happens once in a while yet much less often than you would think and not at the scale of atrocities done by the US, French, British and Russian forces in Syria, Afghanistan or Iraq. And Israel does a pretty good job of bringing these people to justice.
These are not the videos that are discussed here. As I'm sure you all know, there is an ongoing wave of "terror" in Israel in the past month (Call it any way you want - the facts are that civilians, kids, women and the elderly are daily being stabbed in the street and purposely being run-over in bus stops). Many of the Arab attackers are kids. Boys and girls aged 11 and up, leave school, pick up a kitchen knife and go hunting for Jews to kill.
These kids are sometimes called to action using illegal (per the Youtube and Facebook terms of service) videos in the Arabic language. These are the videos in question. They are copying the ISIS video recruitment strategy and it is working out pretty good for them. There are ~2 attacks per day. Many of the attackers are Arab Israelis with full civilian rights and a Israeli passport.
Imagine sending your kids to school in this climate.
What if you targeted specific vocal cord patterns?
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Israel doesn't get a say in what a US company does. Neither does any other country.
It's simple to see Israel's point of view on the issue of youtube video censorship, if you adhere to the Golden Rule. If people were broadcasting recruitment videos, inciting hate and violence against your friends and family (and yourself), and these videos were demonstrably proven to have convinced young people to stab random people on the street, you would try to combat it as aggressively as you could. Free as in freedom applies to protocol, not method. In the absence of better options, and since the state depts. of many countries already censor ISIS and al Queda propaganda videos, I support the censorship of videos inciting violence against Israeli citizens. Hopefully the violence will end one day, so there will be no such videos to censor.
Cultural appropriation! I'm triggered, I need some pearls to clutch!
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
DICE should be ashamed to publicize such trashy liberal propaganda !!
The Palestinian government is run by Hamas & Fatah - DICE has nothing to do with it.
The propaganda problem is with Israel: trying to keep the rest of the world ignorant about their oppression of Palestinians.
Thanks for the post, I'm sorry I cannot mod you up. It really is such a gross oversimplification to say that "both sides are the same" in this conflict. A truly balanced view :(
Actually, YouTube removed videos which were encouraging Palestinians to kill Israelis (and were actually faked),
And now they're meeting to talk about removing a whole bunch more content. What do you want to bet that they will only be removing things that should legitimately be removed?
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Much bullshit here.
There is so much semite in modern jews, even in those long of european descent, it's easily identified with cheap DNA sequencing, as any customer of FTDNA, Ancestry or 23andme can see and test for themselves. As for the Cohen and Levi bloodlines they are alive and well and easily verified by Y-DNA identification of haplogroups such as J-P58* or J-M410* (source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pm... ). Same goes for a lot of mitochondrial DNA haplogroups of course. And the results are applicable directly to Palestinians as well, since Palestinian Arabs and Jews are genetically indistinguishable and form a single population.
But then I suspect you already know you're full of shit and are just trolling.
If the films are real then whether inflammatory or not they should be open for the world to see. Perhaps Israel should reign in their soldiers who do wrong and show the world the effects of segregating Palestinians
A couple of points. First, the UN does not have the legal authority to renounce Israel's sovereignty. Second, the only way to impose peace on Palestine/Israel would be to convince both sides that they are willing to accept anything to end the conflict. At this moment, the Israelis have indicated a willingness to accept anything short of losing sovereignty over the bulk of the territory which they are currently considered to be sovereign in order to attain peace.(whether or not they are truly willing to do so is unknown because of the other side). On the other hand, the Arabs have indicated that they are only willing to accept peace on the basis of the dissolution of Israel (with some indications that this would involve the death or expulsion of all Jews, although whether that is genuine or just a posture by some is open to debate. If I was an Israeli, I would be inclined to believe that it was genuine.).
The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
But then you link to filthy conservative propaganda sites to make your point - smh.
Today Israel commemorates 850,000 Jews attacked & expelled from Arab lands & Iran, where Jews lived for millennia.
> This is a regime that ethnically cleansed a whole people from their country, stole their land,
Except both of those statements are outright lies.
> Can't have the Palestinians fighting back against the Jews who have stolen their land
Total BS, never happened.
Seems to be alive and posting on Slashdot.
And now they're meeting to talk about removing a whole bunch more content. What do you want to bet that they will only be removing things that should legitimately be removed?
I don't know. There are two conflicting forces here.
One force is driven by the principle that, even for their own selfish, commercial purposes, Youtube can't be overwhelmingly popular and successful if they arbitrarily censor content.
The other force is that the Israeli government has one of the most powerful, well-funded, influential lobbies in the U.S., as effective as the National Rifle Association. They've gotten congressmen voted out of office by sheer financial contributions to their opponents.
(And I think it's disturbing that a foreign country, through campaign contributions by its American proxies, can influence American elections like that.)
I don't know which principle is going to win. We'll see pretty soon.
What they want to do is a complete waste of time as neither Google nor YouTube control the whole internet, and in fact all it would do is push more of the videos to sites like Liveleak which isn't controlled by Google anyway. They only went to Google as an implied threat about what would happen to Google's Israeli interests and business if they DIDN'T cooperate.
And then what do you do, ask Liveleak to stop? Do you think a site fine posting videos of car accidents, decapitations, people burning to death, and much much more is going to care what Israel might ask for? No.
The site is already overrun with various videos from Syria and Iraq and all manner of other places. If you've EVER had any desire to hear how many times somebody can yell "Allahu Ackbar!" while shooting at or being bombed by other forces, Liveleak is your place. And then you can watch the daily video of the scooter crash in China where everybody died horribly. There is one of those about every day so it doesn't have to be any specific scooter crash video. Just wait. There will be a new one.
LiveLeak is certainly tame compared to Ogrish, but it is WAY beyond what Youtube would ever allow.
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I didn't know it was possible to correct typos on /. Given the number of typos I make, that would be a useful feature.
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I have no respect for anyone who would look their brother in the eye and see an animal when what they really see is a mirror.
This stopped me in my tracks. The highlight of a profound post with many highlights to choose from. Bravo!
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Why don't you list the fucking real atrocities that are going in Syria, or in Africa, or in 100 other places where there is conflict in the world.
When the first response to an accusation is "why aren't you looking at some different crime some different place," I read this as an acknowledgement that the accusation is accurate.
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Ok, maybe, but still, you're talking about two groups of people who are very closely related genetically. It's impossible for them not to be: they originate from the same part of the world. They even look mostly the same. It's like comparing a German to a Frenchman. They're not very far apart. It's not like the genetic difference between a German and a Japanese person, or even more, the difference between a subsaharan African and just about anyone else. Humans as a species are extremely inbred, especially the non-African ones. We might think we look really different from ethnic group to ethnic group, but we really aren't.
Why would someone kill your wife and children?
Holy land troll.
Each side uses the other's latest atrocity as justification for it's own and next atrocity.
When in fact, it is just a dysfunctional family - genetically as well as mental outlook - that in some perverse way, enjoys their eternal fight. This bitchfight will never end, because they don't want it to end.
And to think that we have allowed ourselves to get drawn into the family feud by people who have a different motive - greasing the skids for their own fairy tale armageddon.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
What if you targeted specific vocal cord patterns?
You mean shibboleth?
Full Disclosure: I'm an Israeli Jew, living in Tel Aviv.
So, you believe the issue here is about choosing a side? To a certain extent that might be true. But let's be fair, until the UN renounces Israel's sovereignty, takes over, disarms the entire region and enforces peace.. preferably peacefully while treating all the people fairly and with respect, there will be no right side. I don't give a shit if you favor Israelis or Palestinians. They're both a disgrace and behave like something out of a grapes of wrath type experiment.
As said above, the UN does not have the authority to do that, the US would veto anything of the sort, and I suspect that UN nations (rightly) refuse to send troops to fight the IDF. The Jewish people suffered a holocaust once, they won't do it again.
The issue here is whether or not a nation like Israel should be allowed to censor "their enemy" on YouTube and other sites. I have no love for anyone who preaches hate like the Palestinians and Israelis do. I have no respect for anyone who would look their brother in the eye and see an animal when what they really see is a mirror. But, for a moment, imagine Israel being able to claim the videos you site as instigating violence... they do... only a fool would disagree with you on this. There are many videos like this and if I believed I had the right to have them taken down, I would.
Lots of comments say this, but I couldn't find anything that says Google were talking about giving Israel censorship powers. All TFA hints at is a way for the Israeli government to flag videos they think constitute incitement - and Google still has the final word. Think about it - Google refuses to be dictated to by the US government (DHS, NSA), who frankly has the power to put their CEOs in jail and/or fine the company (for failure to comply with national security or some other crap). Do you think Google would agree to be dictated to by the Israeli government who can't do jack shit to them? To the contrary, Google employs hundreds or thousands of employees in their offices in Tel Aviv and Haifa, high-paying jobs which will be lost if Google decides Israel is hostile to them.
But, what about the video of a crying child who lost his mother or father or sister to bombings and raids led by the Israelis... when that child cries out in fear and terror and agony that the Israelis did this to him. That he hates the people who took someone he loves from him. Would you also agree that this video would insight violence? Would you not agree that only a heartless man would not want to cry for this child? Would you not agree that a fighter would see this as his duty to avenge? Would you agree that this video should be taken down too? I personally wouldn't. A video like this should be seen.
There are situations like these on both sides. What do you say to the kid whose parents got shot by Israeli soldiers? Well, maybe the same thing you say to the kid whose parents got blown up in a café in Tel Aviv fifteen years ago. Yes, that video should be seen. There is no cause to deny a man to speak out his pain. But I don't think that's what we're talking about here, and I don't think Google _would_ take that down.
As to the fighter who would see this as his duty to avenge... this is where I take issue. What's the question you really want to ask? Is it "how best should the Palestinian kid get his revenge"? Or is it "what's the best way to honor the deaths of his parents by striving for an end to the killing and the betterment of the Palestinian kid's life"? Because I think it's a vicious cycle, and the way to end it is to make peace.
Besides, is stabbing random Israelis (and, an example from last week - a 70-year-old Palestinian mistaken for a Jew) - truly revenge?
At which point between these extremes do we decide which video is appropriate and which insights violence and which insights violence and should be seen... and which ones shouldn't.
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Allowed by who? They are a sovereign nation. And as a sovereign nation, they can give Google an alternative: either comply with our censorship or stop doing business in Israel. And Google's options are to negotiate a compromise, comply, or leave.
Why the hell should the US pay for peace keeping in the region? Israel and the mess in the Middle East are the result of screwed up European politics and history.
Why can't we just make Palestine an independent state and be done with it. While you have a group of people who feel like they are living in apartheid, feeling that another group of people doesn't care about their rights or 'assigned' territories how are things going to improve.
I know the mess down there is a complicated one, but it really feels like there should be Israel, Palestine and the 'Multi-faith Holy City of Jerusalem'?
When it comes to religion, I don't really care either way, but most belief systems do indicate some level of 'treating your neighbour with respect', which I don't see much of at the political level in that area. Will it ever happen? I just see a lot of frustrated people, not trusting what moves the other ruling entity will do next.
Jumpstart the tartan drive.
Most of the videos uploaded by palestinians claiming violence against them by the Israelis are false or fake videos.. that is all
...made documentary "Defamation". It makes the critical point that however many Israelis might perceive otherwise, anti-Zionism is not equivalent to anti-Semitism. Thus, the simple logical fallacy that many Zionists fall prey to is, while all (ethnic) Zionists might be Semites, not all Semites are Zionists.
Bukowski said it. I believe it. That settles it.
November 30, 2015: "Man sentenced to death in Saudia Arabia for “insulting Quran and spreading atheism”
http://www.stlucianewsonline.com/international-man-sentenced-to-death-in-saudia-arabia-for-insulting-quran-and-spreading-atheism/
This is a normal, everyday occurrence in the Muslim world. How often does this happen in Israel?
Just something for the Israel bashers to think about.
Palestinians have been offered statehood several times, they always turn it down. BTW: there never was a nation of Palestine, and it never concerned "Palestinians" before.
This conflict is not about land, or statehood, or anything like that. It is about Muslims hating Jews.
Muslims are deeply offended by the idea of Jews having a country where they can live in peace.
Israel has demonstrated that they are perfectly willing to live, in peace, with Arabs, or anybody. Israel gives Palestinians full citizenship rights. Palestinians can vote, own land, serve in the military, or hold public office. Other Muslim nations, like Saudi, would never give Palestinians such rights.
By contrast, Hamas has it written into their charter that they consider it their duty to kill every Jew on earth.
This information comes from a Muslim propaganda cite. The source is "Various (unspecified, unverifiable) Sources"
For all we know, the entire thing is just Muslim propaganda.
Muslims hate Jews too much to ever let a Jewish homeland peacefully exist.
There are 1.6 billion Muslim opposing about 2 million Jews. Muslims have made no secret of their deep hatred of Jews. Muslims have made no secret of their religion commanding Muslims to kill Jews at any cost.
These days, maybe Jews would be safer if they were mixed in to the population of a secular western nation. That way there would be no centralized target.
> Israel Meets With Google and YouTube To Discuss Censoring Videos
Too much of the modern world sounds like a wacky conspiracy theory.
Mod this guy up please. Too bad he posted as an AC.
Starships were meant to fly, Hands up and touch the sky - Nicky Minaj
... And of course in return Sadat was murdered by his own people....
Just goes to show how completely different Arabs and Israelis are. No Jewish Israeli would ever dream of murdering their national leader for trying to make peace. Oh wait.....
Starships were meant to fly, Hands up and touch the sky - Nicky Minaj
I had never heard that the Palestinians had rejected statehood, since current actions suggest the opposite. A quick search turned up this link:
http://classroom.synonym.com/d...
This suggests that they rejected the notion of a country because they didn't agree with the borders, but as you indicated the issue is a bit more complicated than that, given the local geopolitics, both internal and external.
Jumpstart the tartan drive.
At this moment, the Israelis have indicated a willingness to accept anything short of losing sovereignty over the bulk of the territory which they are currently considered to be sovereign in order to attain peace.
Israeli settlements in occupied territory prove your lies. Those settlements continue to be an ongoing and direct provocation.
If the Israelis remove their settlements from the West Bank and return that land to the Palestinians they'd have significantly more credibility when bleating on about peace.
If by wise you mean "send the black helicopters now!" ... although, I feel you.
Requiem for the American Dream
vocal schmocal.
Requiem for the American Dream
I think it makes more sense if you assume he is also upset about that
Ok, then to be fair, you need to go back throughout time (let's cut it off at the last 10k years) and find everyone that, when asked casually, agrees with genociding some group of people, and go back in time and kill them when they're a baby.
Fast-forward back to the present after you're all done with that, and humans will be extinct. You probably wouldn't even need to go back 10k years; just go back 2k years, to a single point in time, and ask everyone then. I doubt you'll find many people alive then who don't want to commit genocide against someone.
Actually, it would be FAR easier to run a propaganda campaign while drowning the opposing side's comments in silence, today.
Internet is FAR more fragile than radio and far easier to control or simply to cut off.
Meanwhile, people age at the same rate and bullets only got better and airstrikes got cheaper.
Only thing that is lacking is an actual willingness to go full hog with the extermination of the opposition.
Spain was a fascist dictatorship back then.
And nobody wants to go full jackboots goose-stepping mustache twirling evil any more.
Even terrorists are selling the story that they are actually fighting on the side of the angels.
Everyone wants to be the liberator, the freedom fighter, the righteous crusader... or at least a grieving victim, wronged and abused.
And silencing the other side's propaganda is sure a good place to start if you want to make your version of the story the official truth.
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
I was not making any comparisons to the assassinated Israeli leader who was also killed by a countryman for making the peace treaty. The point I was making was that there have been no Arab leaders since Sadat who are willing to actually sit down directly with the Israelis and apply some common sense and pragmatism to the conflict. Jordan also signed a treaty with Israel but their main motivation was they saw no way the could every defeat Israel by military force and made a pragmatic decision to make peace. A strong Arab leader who is willing to cast aside all the harsh rhetoric, openly admit that all the previous wars and related actions were a mistake, and does not have a problem sitting at the same table, face to face, with the Israeli leadership could hammer out a solution. An Arab leader displaying these characteristics would force the Israeli's to respond in kind.
It was the equivalent of saying if I have any examples of water being wet please tell you elsewhere - and you know it - deliberate belittling insult pretending reality is not real just to push your agenda. A newspaper will give you plenty of examples where the current Israeli government has used propaganda and has applied pressure to media outlets to force their view. For example today it's the BBC being given a hard time for perceived bais.
You denial of something so blatant, obvious and ongoing for years of course inspired deep disgust as does your efforts to mislead people here. This is not a political site so such disgusting games are especially annoying.
If you have to have an official "Military Censor" because videos of your own soldiers' domestic actions are "inflammatory," you're well on your way to creating a military dictatorship.
"..there never was a nation of Palestine... It is about Muslims hating Jews... Muslims are deeply offended by the idea of Jews having a country where they can live in peace..."
What a bunch of Zionist horseshit!
Stop murdering Palestinians, quit stealing their land and quit lying about it all.
That is all the world is asking. Peace will naturally follow.
Political correctness is really just herd psychology pushed by insecure people who desperately seek social conformity.
Denying the existence of Palestinians, their country, their oppression and murder is nearly as bad as the crimes that Israel has committed itself.
You should be very ashamed of yourself. Please go bury your head in the sand.
Political correctness is really just herd psychology pushed by insecure people who desperately seek social conformity.
Boycotting Israel is something that every individual can do and collectively we can all make a difference.
How many more innocent women and children need to be murdered? How many more deceitful lies must we hear from these bigoted, Zionist supremacists?
These people are an insult to the real, decent Jewish people and to the rest of the world. Enough already.
Support boycott, divestment and sanctions (BDS) against Israel until she frees Palestine and atones for her war crimes, terrorism and ethnic cleansing.
Free Palestine!
Political correctness is really just herd psychology pushed by insecure people who desperately seek social conformity.
I am Jewish and the antisemitism that I see on the Internet goes way beyond reason. Sheesh. We are no more than 22M people. Do other minorities experience this kind of stuff? Not that I can see.
Jews are 18 million;
Muslims are 1800 million;
Isn't Israel jeopardising future generations of Jews?
Any type of hegemony will have awkward repercussions and collateral damage; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Casteism
This thread is about a limit to freedom of speech FFS.
What is it with you people? You stood up for blocking speech with your first post and now you are saying that I'm attempting to limit your speech? Is that a good thing or is it not? You are having it both ways at your convenience.