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Yelp Employee Posts Open Letter About Cost Of Living And Low Wages, Gets Fired (modernreaders.com)
whoever57 writes: Talia Jane was employed by Yelp in San Francisco but after posting in an open letter to Yelp's CEO, Jeremy Stoppelman, that her after tax income of $8.15 was insufficient to provide basic necessities like heating, food, etc., she discovered that she had been fired. How did she discover? Her work email stopped working. Even her boss did not know what had happened. Stoppelman denies having a hand in her firing, making the claim "(There are) two sides to every HR story so Twitter army please put down the pitchforks," replying to the criticism. He didn't personally turn off her email, perhaps he did not even make the decision to fire her, but as the person who ultimately sets the culture and policies of the company, his claim to not be directly responsible is unconvincing.
I truly hope none of us here will express amazement that someone who criticized their employer, and blamed them for what are essentially her own poor life choices, got fired.
This is how the real world works, jr. You are not owed, or entitled, to shit.
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This has been covered elsewhere, and never with so much horseshit bias. No editorialization should be needed for news, which is why no one likes Bennet Hasslehoff either.
Didn't we reject this nonsense about the time Glenn Beck refused to deny raping and murdering that girl?
And I am sure it had nothing to do with her getting alcohol delivered to her while at work or bragging about making sexual jokes to the companies twitter account. It's either quite a coincidence or she knew she was in trouble and wrote the letter to try and make the company look worse.
She publicly tried to bring her employer to ill repute. I suspect that that is specifically outlined in her employment contract as it has been in every single employment contract I have ever had.
There is no case for whistle blower protection here.
Why is anyone making barely above minimum wage trying to live in San Francisco, one of the most expensive cities in the U.S. without even getting a roommate to split the rent? Also, the low temperature doesn't get below freezing so there's no need to ever run a heater. Yes, that means you'll probably want an additional heavy blanket to sleep under, but you're not going to die.
It really doesn't matter if it is well written. She brought her employer into ill repute.
She could have written exactly the same letter, but removed the identifiers and replaced it with "Major IT company" and sent to to the newspapers and she would have been fine.
This is a known medical condition :SMACSS
Social Media Assisted Career Suicide Syndrome.
Researchers are still searching for a cure!
So much for an open door policy at Yelp. If there is such a policy at Yelp, it probably pays lip service to politically correct HR.
Thanks for that scoop /. !!
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https://medium.com/@taliajane/...
I was told Iâ(TM)d have to work in support for an entire year before I would be able to move to a different department.
I'm just as heartbroken, that poor girl.
What a crock. Sure you don't work for Yelp's HR department?
Here's the post in question.
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The person is making $10 per hour (before taxes) and working in San Francisco. That's a bad combination right there. I wouldn't work in San Francisco unless I was making $30+ per hour.
Talia Jane was actually fired 4 years ago, but they forgot to stop her paychecks and email. They just "fixed the glitch".
Her red Swingline was also confiscated.
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I wish we were responding to her actual letter, rather than your portrayal of her letter, and your spin on the situation.
I'm going to respond to her letter, rather than to you.
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Starting wages for her position at Yelp are nearly $10/hour over minimum wage. Assuming she worked a full 40 hour week, she was making a minimum of $35,360/year.
That yields, given California and federal tax rates:
$680.00 = Weekly Gross Pay
$086.59 = Federal Withholding
$042.16 = Social Security
$009.86 = Medicare
$017.79 = California
$006.12 = SDI
$517.48 = Net Pay
$26,908.96/year gross income
Accept her "80% goes for rent" number as fact. That yields:
$21527.168 / year
= $1793.93 / month
This is a quite high rent, and implies she's living alone, with no roommates. We'll get back to that.
$5,381.79 = non-rent disposable income/year
$448.48 / month
$103.49/week
This is low, but it's livable. She does not qualify for SNAP (food stamps), even after income deductions: she is not below 200% of the federal poverty level. In other words: 30% of people live on less than that.
Let's revisit the rent.
A ForRent.com search (not the best site, but representative) shows 6 apartments in Emeryville -- a nice area, near Berkeley, but across the Bay Bridge from San Francisco, for less than $800/month. All of them near public transportation; 2 of them have pools.
That's without taking a roommate. So she could have halved her monthly rent, if she was willing to live somewhere *not actually in San Francisco*.
That's another $993.93/month in her pocket... ...which covers everything she complains about in her letter, plus adds some spending money. She'd have more if she split the rent on a more expensive apartment with a roommate.
= $229.36/week
+ $103.49/week
= $332.85/week
I'm not feeling very sympathetic right now.”
It's interesting then, that we AGREE she would have gotten fired over her essay embarrassing her employer, but the CEO smerts that it's not the case at all, and goes off on a tangent about how swell and sensitive he and Yelp are...
Did she not do the math? Gross income, less federal and state income tax, social security, medicare, and benefits = net pay.
If her net pay doesn't cover rent, food, utilities, and discretionary spending then this obviously isn't the right job for her.
We can probably safely presume that since she got her degree in English Lit that math is probably not her strong suit.
I would have found a way to supplement my income. I see people selling Yelp 'reputation management' services all the time, being an inside /(wo)?man/ on that would be profitable indeed.
In my contract it is forbidden that i discuss my salary with anybody, especially in public in connection with my employer.
he certainly did not do anything to reverse the firing....
This asshole absolutely told his assistant to fire them.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
I read Talia's essay and thought it was very well written.
You, sir or madam, clearly do not have an English degree.
Her essay used sentence fragments, run on sentences, split infinitive, improper grammar, and a host of other follies which one would not expect of someone with a degree in English Literature.
I would post a link to her actual essay (in reality, nothing more than a blog posting on a rather unsurpassing blog platform company), but to do so would drive traffic to the site, and I cannot force myself to do that in good conscience.
Yeah. I think the CEO would have got further by saying it was unacceptable behaviour and that he does not expect to have conversation like that via newspapers.
A better written response, with link to the letter
Here: https://medium.com/@StefWillia...
I refuse to link the letter in question directly. It's crap.
You're a human being. You're owed food, shelter and healthcare. Otherwise wtf is the point of civilization? Why shouldn't I just sell your organs on the open market or crack your skull open and feast on the goo? Stop acting like dog eat dog is just how it should be because you got yours (fuck me). We band together as a species to make life better for all of us. You're more vulnerable than you think you are. Wake up before it's too late.
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You need to cite sources or GTFO. Sock puppet!
After reading the posts in this thread, re-read them in either Trump or Bernie Sanders' voice.
The economics of this is something the employer should take seriously; if you're paying your employees so poorly that they literally have nothing to lose by calling you out, then it's gonna happen.
This AC sounds like a Yelp lawyer...
Clearly shows the callousness one ??O needs to have to fill his/her chair and how many of those acts and conditions happen remain undisclosed and found necessary to keep the wheels humming.
I see nothing of this. It's libellous.
Peter predicted that you would "deliberately forget" creation 2000 years ago...
Here's the open letter, since tfs doesn't seem to include a link: https://medium.com/@taliajane/...
Her observations are valuable, and Yelp will be wise to pay attention. Its not in their interest to have frustrated employees.
But the part where she posted a link to her bosses home address? That was creepy and unnecessary.
A lot of people (sock puppets?) seem to be making this the story of a brat who can't make good choices, but I see it as the story of how a young American worker's enthusiasm and determination got her ground into hamburger. It's a warning to other young would-be Yelp workers to steer clear lest they suffer too. That's the only way these soulless corporations will ever feel the sting and be forced to raise wages.
This article could be an interesting one to use to model different moderation models. There is a real mix of conflicting moderation so far with insightful mixed with flame bait and over rated mixed with interesting.
Could be a good example to work with putting in a "contentious" filter.
If you desire to live in a desirable place then find a job where the utility you provide your employer is higher than the utility you're providing Yelp in your current position.
The economics of this is something the employer should take seriously; if you're paying your employees so poorly that they literally have nothing to lose by calling you out, then it's gonna happen.
If she had nothing to lose, then why is she complaining that she lost it?
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as a small business owner i can tell you all yelp is a disgusting piece of shit, worse than facebook, all they want is money for basically not removing you from any and all search results, they have no interest in helping consumers find what theyre looking for.
Why are you implying that she mustn't complain? What's wrong with complaining? It doesn't serve corporate purposes?
I agree completely: people should think clearly about cost of living and desired standard of living relative to salaries when choosing where to work. Then, when corporations can't hire the workers they want at the salary they are offering, they will increase their salary offers. Talia's problem is that she obviously didn't do that.
In her letter, she mentioned that she wanted to move close to her father. If so, why couldn't she arrange to move in w/ him until she earned enough to afford a place? That would have saved her rent, and that could have been used on her flat tire, oil change and everything else she wrote about
If you want to call a decade+ old account a 'sock puppet' count me in as one.
She was complaining that she wasn't allowed to take company food home. She posted a sexual joke in response to Yelp's official Twitter account. She posted photos of herself with alcohol on the job.
She complained about not being able to make ends meet but didn't have a roommate and didn't live with her parents, despite them being in the area. She complained about the cost of public transportation while also having a private car.
She got a worthless degree, it's a shock that she had a job to begin with. Based on most of her writing it's a shock that she graduated with an English degree at all.
It was horrible written. Calling it an essay is an insult. I am pretty bad at writing essays and even I could tell that was not the way to go about it. What was the point and purpose? Who was her target audience? How did she want the message to approach the reader? How was she expecting the reader to respond? What was the tone she was going for? (what I did here with the questions, is basically her text).
All I got was a bombardment of asking someone to feel bad for her about the various problems she and her coworkers have to deal with. This was a conversation piece with a friend. This essay is how 15-35 year olds unload stress to a good friend on the phone. That is not how you talk to people you do not know (ie: The CEO, HR, Slashdot, random people on the internet, etc).
I had quite a lot of trouble getting to the end of that essay. Responding to your post was a more driving force to finish it, than her post itself. The whole thing is made worse by the fact that she majored in English!
Now to address the actual topic. The best thing she could have done is found another job and written (an actual letter) something coherent addressed to the CEO upon finding one. She could have told him why and others like her have left, and the company would have been more receptive. Maybe even offered her a job to come back (which I don't think she should take). The alternative would have been to find more roommates (ie: with coworkers), ride share, do a budget analysis, and make some hard choices (maybe go bankrupt). But I think those are just compromises with a situation that she clearly doesn't like. She disliked her job a lot, move on.
For the most part there is nothing wrong with the moderation on Slashdot, trolls sink to the bottom reasonable comments float to the top.
I surf at the 2 threshold, seems to avoid most bullshit.
There is the pesky problem of "group think" and having engaging comments modded down because they don't fit with the "group think" - subjects like Assage / Snowden, RMS, Microsoft, and so on can be tricky. But there probably isn't a solution to that...
If you want news from today, you have to come back tomorrow.
How do I post a review of Yelp?
I posted one on Yelp!, but it was soon deleted.
I'm just saying it's what WILL happen.
Indeed, history teach us that people revolt when they do not have enough to eat. But on the other hand, I cannot think about a democratic system been thrown away this way.
Therefore we are stuck with this alternative: either convince people to vote for someone that will fix the problem, or convince people the system is not democratic (which may be the case or not: what matters is how it is perceived) and they should revolt.
This is very true. I understand why in the 90s, companies chose to be there - 80% of the world's VCs were there, and so that was where companies got started. Plus if you were a semiconductor or software company, usually the people you needed would be more likely found in the Santa Clara Valley than anywhere else.
After leaving the Bay Area and returning there on a visit after 10 years, I just couldn't recognize the place. Most of the tech companies that could be seen from the Bayshore Freeway in the 90s and even early 2000s were gone. The Microcenter near the AMC Theater in Santa Clara, which could be seen from the same freeway, had been replaced by a Walmart. Unlike previously, where the big offices used to be that of various tech companies, like the Intels, the Suns and so on, now it was mainly the consulting companies - KPMG, Accenture, et al.
I know that a whole bunch of the geek crowd w/ goatees love loitering in San Francisco to be in 'The City', but still, this fetish of basing their companies there totally escapes me. Particularly a company like Yelp, that could easily have set up shop anywhere else in the country.
Have gnu, will travel.
If you're going to San Francisco
Be sure to have some money in the bank
If you're going to San Francisco
You're going to meet some large expenses there
For those who come to San Francisco
Payin' the rent will be a worry there
In the streets of San Francisco
Young people, grey showing in their hair
All across the nation
Come see that abberation
People in trouble
There's a whole generation
With really no explanation
People in trouble
People in trouble
For those who come to San Francisco
Payin' the rent will be a worry there
In the streets of San Francisco
Young people, grey showing in their hair
When the copyright term is "forever minus a day", live every day like it's the last.
Her essay used sentence fragments, run on sentences, split infinitive, improper grammar, and a host of other follies which one would not expect of someone with a degree in English Literature...
Sometimes, committing those 'follies', (and others), actually leads to more effective writing. Rules may be re-written in their breaking, and often it's for the better. That's how a language grows - not to mention science, technology, other arts, etc. Emerson said "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines." Which of these are you little sir, perched atop your high horse?
'The Economy' is a giant Ponzi scheme whose most pitiable suckers are the youngest among us and the yet-unborn.
Yes, I know, Yelp not Yahoo... When thinking of shitty companies, for some reason Yahoo always pops into my mind...
If you want news from today, you have to come back tomorrow.
One thing I'm not getting - what Technical Resource does Yelp need that they are more likely to find in the Bay Area than anywhere else, such as AZ?
I enjoyed the essay quit a bit. And it was pretty clever how it starts out mild and grows darker as it goes along. You have no appreciation for literature, sir.
Where is your criticism of the sentence fragments to be found in the letter to which you provided a link? Is it possible that you are loath to crtitcize the grammar of someone whose views you endorse?
'The Economy' is a giant Ponzi scheme whose most pitiable suckers are the youngest among us and the yet-unborn.
You alluded to the fact that any post that disagrees with you must be a sock puppet.
I asserted the age of my account to show that I was either not a sock puppet or a sock puppet playing the the ultra long game.
meritocracy
What is it with you people and that word?
Sometimes, committing those 'follies', (and others), actually leads to more effective writing.
Unless you have evidence that she is, in fact, a master wordsmith, I present the following for your edification:
“Learn the rules like a pro, so you can break them like an artist.” -- Pablo Picasso
“Learn the rules before you break them.” -- Steven Taylor Goldsberry, The Writer's Book of Wisdom: 101 Rules for Mastering Your Craft
"It is known that, when we learn or train in something, we pass through the stages of shu, ha, and ri. These stages are explained as follows. In shu, we repeat the forms and discipline ourselves so that our bodies absorb the forms that our forebearers created. We remain faithful to the forms with no deviation. Next, in the stage of ha, once we have disciplined ourselves to acquire the forms and movements, we make innovations. In this process the forms may be broken and discarded. Finally, in ri, we completely depart from the forms, open the door to creative technique, and arrive in a place where we act in accordance with what our heart/mind desires, unhindered while not overstepping laws." -- Principles of Shu-ha-ri
"there are no right or wrong answers...'Good English' is whatever educated people talk;.." -- C.S. Lewis
“Every English poet should master the rules of grammar before he attempts to bend or break them.” —Robert Graves
"Photographers must study and know the rules of good visual composition like writers study and learn the rules of good writing composition. Once you understand the rules, your ability to break them helps you have better impact with your photos." -- Stanley Leary
George Orwell's "Politics and the English Language": http://www.orwell.ru/library/e...
Do you complain when you didn't lose something? "Damn it, I didn't get mugged or lose my car keys today!"
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
TIL why they're called Yelp. It's the noise they like their employees to make.
Sometimes we don't realize we are in a bad position and it takes a kick in the butt to improve your situation.
I do feel bad for her, but I am not surprised. If she is worth it, I truly do hope market forces work their thing and she finds something more meaningful and pays enough.
I recall working a job for $11 an hour in college in Hawaii and thinking, I just need to make $30k a year as a manager and I will have my life set, then I graduated from college and a lot of classmates were making $80k some $100k a year.
I tried it out took a chance and moved to the "Mainland" and financially and spiritually I am in a much better place. I miss Hawaii, but am at peace with the choice I made.
So like I said, hope she will find something better, but she needs to be worth it.
Where is your criticism of the sentence fragments to be found in the letter to which you provided a link? Is it possible that you are loath to crtitcize the grammar of someone whose views you endorse?
I stated that it was "better written", not "well written". If you want a point by point critique of either for their linguistic skills, I would, perhaps, be willing to provide you one -- provided you refrain from being accusatory and offensive.
If you are writing an essay in a way that conceivably, or to be honest: most likely, result in your being fired, and you are claiming credits as someone with an English Literature degree, you are, in fact, providing a writing example to potential employers.
The complaint essay had a number of themas, but the major ones were:
- Hey, I'm unhappy
- Hey, I think I'm not being paid enough (the position is $17/hour to start is nearly $10/hour above federal minimum wage)
- Hey, look at me!
- Hey, the snacks are gone for people who work weekends
- Hey, I've complained to my bosses bosses boss about other things in the past, because I do not respect my management chain
- Hey, working at Yelp sucks!
- Hey, I deserve to write, tweet, and so on for Yelp in less than a year after being hired
- Hey, even though I write, tweet, and so on for free, and Yelp wouldn't have to pay me to be sure I'd continue doing so
- Hey, I have an English Lit degree, so I'm qualified as a writer, as evidenced by this writing sample I'm currently presenting
- Hey, I buy into a stupid stereotype called "Millennials"; although it's really a marketing bucket, I think it's a cultural group
- Hey, I spend way too much on my apartment, because I apparently do not know how to use Google
- Hey, I'm starving to death, even though my social media accounts have pictures and posts of me making, eating, and drinking expensive food
That's not a millennial, and it's not a mature adult, it's a spoiled child with a liberal arts degree. And that degree will generally never land you a job unless you are either willing to "Pay Dues", as the essay I referenced indicated its author did, or you pursue a graduate level degree. And perhaps even a graduate degree will not land you a job, in that particular subject: Geoffrey Chaucer knowledge is not high on the list of things I look for when considering job candidates.
So yeah: she's been pissing off management for a while, violating her employment agreement, and living above her means.
I'm surprised, nay, astonished!, that she lasted as long as she did(*)(**)(***).
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Footnotes:
(*) The exclamation point before the comma was an intentional breakage of the rules; it works as a pun on two levels; firstly it better indicates degree of incredulity, and secondly, official branding for "Yelp!" contains an exclamation point.
(**) I am neither claiming a literary degree, nor am I providing a writing same to a prospective employer, nor am I claiming in an essay that I should be promoted to a writing position with less than a year in a position to indicate my willingness to actually do work.
(***) These footnotes themselves indicate that I'm aware of the rules, the fact that I broke them, the fact that she should be held to a higher stndard, and this footnote in particular is deliciously self-referential
I read the letter and I'm tempted to offer a rebuttal. However, I'm particularly lazy today. I have my reasons.
At any rate... Suffice to say, there's a lot to be said about this. Like most things, it's complicated. There's even more than one way to look at it and a variety of "facts" still in debate. One of those facts includes sexual innuendo whilst representing the company on a public forum, drinking at work, and recreational drug use - on her own time. (I'm obviously not a fan of a company giving a shit what you do on your own time but, ya know, you don't have to *tell* them that in a public forum with your own username attached to it.)
'Snot even very well written. My grasp of the English language is quite poor. I can do better than that. But, what is the message? Oh, yes... Now I remember. Heh, no - that's not even worth rebutting. There's a level of accountability missing. I suspect that would fix a few things up but she's bound to come to a realization - eventually. And, as I'm skipping all the fluff, the sooner she reaches that realization, the better. Don't blame me, I didn't set up the system. I do know that I must work within it - if I want the benefits from it.
So, save us both the time and assume I said something witty and insightful. *nods* Insert it here and pretend it was another seven or eight paragraphs. That's my thoughts on the subject. Make sure to finish it off with a nice personal anecdote and call it good. 'Cause I'll write you a novella if I really gotta... I suspect I'd be preaching to the choir and I am lazy today.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
What makes you think it was easy for those guys to get that position? Why does she deserve that position without having put any effort into it? What does that look like in your head? 'Cause if it's anything like I envision, it's not all it's cracked up to be.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
She was also complaining that she wasn't being paid enough to buy food. In that context, that's not an unreasonable complaint.
That was clearly in poor taste. It might even have risen to the level of being actionable once it became clear that the account in question was held by a Yelp employee. It doesn't negate the message, though.
And, to play devil's advocate here, that's precisely the sort of acting out that I'd expect from someone who was being paid minimum wage for a job that in the Bay Area should have paid considerably more than that. If you don't treat your employees with respect, why should they respect you? Where I come, respect is earned. If you're paying people McDonald's wages (and they were), you should expect no better than burger-flipper levels of decorum.
With an unopened bottle of alcohol. In every tech company I've ever worked for, they've had beer bashes where people actually drank alcohol while ostensibly on the job. The only thing potentially career-limiting about it was the caption, which could be interpreted to mean that nobody was surprised by having alcohol at work because you needed it to make it through the day. Or it could be a genuine statement of surprise from someone who moved here from an area where beer bashes aren't part of the culture, and where having alcohol at work would actually be unusual. If this had anything to do with her dismissal, then somebody has unrealistic standards.
Source?
And then you pay for parking in San Francisco. Unless Yelp has some special deal, that's going to cost you a minimum of $15 per day, which is four bucks per day more than she was paying for round-trip BART fare, by my math. And that's before factoring in gasoline, wear and tear on the vehicle, the years of your life that you lose to stress while sitting in Bay Area traffic, etc. I wouldn't work in San Francisco for a quarter million per year, much less $12.25 an hour.
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... that she got fired from Yelp for posting an unflattering review?
They will not increase salary offers. They will beg Congress for more h1-b visas and pay immigrants less in the high cost of living areas. That or outsource.
Silence is a state of mime.
Bunch of bullshit removed
I have been doing a bunch of looking, since reading your post to see if I could find references to what you are speaking of.
Based on my searches, I have several things to say to you. First, by posting what you did, in the manner that you did, without providing one shred of evidence, you have effectively engaged in libel. That kind of behavior has opened you up to a potential lawsuit. Given the daily readership of this site, coupled with the nature of your claims, I would say that if you have any assets to protect that you pray she does not become aware of your posts, or, if she does, that she doesn't subsequently contact an attorney.
The second thing I have to say is: Fuck you asshole. That kind of shit being posted anonymously, is exactly the reason that our freedoms get eroded daily. Your apparent willingness to defame someone, and to try to protect yourself by doing it anonymously reflects badly on everyone here, and is just one more piece of ammunition in the hands of those that wish to strip us of our rights. If you can't control yourself enough to take part in an adult conversation about the larger issues without the need to spew bullshit into the conversation just to make yourself feel more important, then kindly leave, as you have nothing of value to contribute.
I wish I had a good sig, but all the good ones are copyrighted
"talia jane
comedy - writing - better at thinking about things than actually doing them"
I think we may have found the issue here.
but i still don't care about yelp. sorry, better luck with your next "star turp".
Any guest worker system is indistinguishable from indentured servitude.
While at her income level hiring a lawyer might not be worth it, I'm going to say that 'company email stops working' isn't a proper notification of release from employment.
As such, she should still be paid for her hours until she receives proper, formal, notification.
I don't read AC A human right
To be fair, the letter doesn't say that her dad actually lives within practical commuting distance, just that he is "close". That could just as easily mean Sacramento as Oakland. But yeah, she probably should have.
Then again, she probably should have said "no" when asked to take a job at minimum wage in the first place just to "gain experience". Unfortunately, this sort of shady hiring practice is common in media-related fields, and to me, it ranks right up there with musicians being asked to play gigs "for exposure" in terms of how offensive I find this practice. It just shouldn't be done, and if everyone said "h***, no" when the recruiter gave them the dollar figure, there would be a lot less of this sort of abuse in the world today.
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She explains this already: the company deactivate all access right away, and tell the person they've been fired when they show up the next day.
She just called her manager right away and got an unofficial confirmation. She was still going to get an official notification the moment she stepped in the office.
With many companies like Yelp? Venture capitol.
Om, nomnomnom...
The fact that your company has food, period, is more than most people have. If you're really that hard up for food you eat during the day and fast at night.
The point wasn't that she didn't drive it. The point is that she had it. Millions of people earning 'near minimum wage' don't have the money for a personal vehicles.
She wanted the own apartment, car, lifestyle but wasn't willing to make sacrifices that most people living in the real world have to make every day. On top of that she has a degree that is worth less than the paper it was written on. She could have gone to a trade school and be earning $20-40/hr anywhere in the US.
Sorry if I don't feel sorry for her making terrible personal decisions.
So basically you're saying that she should be forced to sell the car that she presumably already owned so that Yelp can pay their CSRs $9 per hour less than the Bay Area average for CSRs? I just want to make sure I understand you correctly....
IMO, her biggest mistake was taking a job that was significantly below her level of education. (And no, a degree in English, even English Lit, is not "worth less than the paper it is written on". That and a tech writing credential will get you a halfway decent job around here.)
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I get that in a lot of states there is this thing called "at will employment" that allows an employer to fire an employee for almost any reason (or no reason), as long as the reason does not violate federal rights, but is it legal to fire someone without actually communicating to them that their services are no longer required, apparently letting them somehow figure it out on their own?
While the situation with Milton in the movie Office Space was funny, I can't imagine it is remotely legal in real life.
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
You're blind then. Girl lived on rice and power bars from work. She shut off her heat so she'd have transportation money to keep giving her all at Greed, Gluttony & Carefully Orchestrated Narratives, Inc. But I guess you feel they're too big to prosecute so you peer down at lil Talia and her perfectly legal "help me survive" fund.
So basically you're saying that she should be forced to sell the car that she presumably already owned
YES. Many people would love an asset like a car to sell. I'd also like to know if she had cable. Something tells me she did.
If she was that good then why was she working for $9 less than the Bay Area average CSR?
That and a tech writing credential will get you a halfway decent job around here.
... Which is why she was working for Yelp?
Nothing like that in the article... where did you see this?
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
Not parent but these were posted elsewhere in the thread:
https://archive.is/AR4XX/image
http://imgur.com/5WJFUAF
You say that as if it's a bad thing.
One of the groups at Oracle Headquarters has their own Keg Fridge. In the Office. At the headquarters. While I suspect it was only used on Fridays, there is ample precedent for companies allowing drinking at work.
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
I don't understand. How does this prove that Talia was greedy, deceitful, and unworthy of a living wage? How does justify disparaging Talia for complaining/warning about her working conditions?
What you're describing is ways Talia could have sacrificed further, and helped Yelp put off raising wages. Things she isn't obligated to endure. If she wants to live comfortably alone in a little apartment, there's no call for criticizing her. She was ready to break free, and so she did. Enough with all the pish-posh about Talia's style and the sympathy for Yelp. A little more pressure is on Yelp to raise wages now, and it's not unfair that this is so!
That's the only way these soulless corporations will ever feel the sting and be forced to raise wages.
I think you meant to say:
Forced to take a $12/hr job with full medical benefits and literally a free lunch and move it India where it probably should have been to start with.
Hahah. See, $12/hr to me where I live is "must live with his parents" level wages. It must be even less impressive in the Bay Area. The benefits are contingent on not getting fired for drawing too much of one's benefits, and the shelves full of snacks is a lot cheaper than paying higher wages.
Except for the fact that she is a big fat liar: http://alotofrice.pixieset.com...
You can never know everything, and part of what you do know will always be wrong. Perhaps even the most important part.
A better written response, with link to the letter
Here: https://medium.com/@StefWillia...
I refuse to link the letter in question directly. It's crap.
U read this one https://medium.com/@optimiseor... (I got half way through, guy just didn't know when to stop). It's a "I share your pain, but..." reply.
If you're merely trying to prove that Talia hasn't always been starving, uses social media, and is the target of an organized smear campaign, you've succeeded.
The dates are in the screen caps, and clearly include the period where she claims to have been living off a single ten pound bag of rice. Hence my assertion that she is lying about her situation.
There are people that suffer actual poverty in this world, and who are actually starving. This attention-seeker is neither.
She has written a fictional sob-story, and included a link for donations. If this story goes viral, those that are fooled will donate, and she profits. Not a bad plan, especially when white knights like yourself will leap to her defence in the face of clear evidence of her falsehood.
But you shouldn't believe everything that you read.
You can never know everything, and part of what you do know will always be wrong. Perhaps even the most important part.
Thanks for making that last point yourself. I don't trust time stamps exhibited in online media either. The year is missing from most of the time stamps. Lots of 2015, however. This wasn't even Talia's own collage. Some stranger presents what can only be assumed to be a hand-picked selection of impressions. I remain vigilant of the fact that a ginormous, experienced marketing/social networking firm likely has motive to influence. It just doesn't make sense that the general public would white knight for Yelp.
If you've ever been homeless, you understand that the only way to get off the streets is to conceal your situation from potential employers and landlords. You can also end up homeless by being too honest about your instability. Catch-22. I wouldn't even fault Talia for creating a whole online fantasy life to stand for the one she aspired for. I see some delicious comfort food, but I don't see proof of prosperity or fraud. I've cooked up some nice things out of the contents of charity food sacks.
There are endless explanations for the photos including photoshop, other's photos being used, photos taken months earlier being posted later, that Talia enjoyed cooking until the high heating bill wiped her out, that Talia cooks at her bf or neighbor's house, etc.
I don't doubt Talia's essay was a simplified account of things, but again, there's NO compelling evidence that she's a fraud. No-one seems to really doubt how poor her pay was, or that she was about to encounter a whole lot of maintenance bills. Many many people are just one paycheck away from living on the street, no matter how comfortable they look in the meantime.
To be fair, when I lived in SF I was a network admin and I made OK money, so I could afford to eat out all the time. And to be equally fair, I eat a nice big fat steak semi-regularly now and I feel grateful for the opportunity, too. But when I was starting out, I ate a lot of goddamned ramen, not steaks. And I didn't live by myself, I shared a house with five other people. And I didn't use Lush products, I used Suave, or whatever I got out of the dollar store.
Yes, the cost of living in SF is high, but what do you expect to do about it? I sympathize with people who were born poor in SF; how do you save enough to escape? There is only so much SF to go around. This nation is founded upon the principle that might makes right, not that whoever was there first gets to stay. If you lack economic might, you don't get to run things. If one is opposed to capitalism, okay, just say so. But don't complain about cost of living, or gentrification, or scarce housing if you choose to move to someplace. There are other less exciting places to live which are considerably better deals. We have to decide who gets to live in SF somehow. Money is the arbiter of all such decisions under capitalism.
I was reading a blog post on gentrification recently where the author was whining that tech companies had come into SF "a few years ago" and blown the economy out of proportion. Talk about a total lack of perspective; it happened decades ago, not "a few years", or at least that's when it really began to take off. The tech proliferation in SF corresponded to the dot-com boom. They had office space and proximity to an international airport, what did people expect?
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
the point is, that working for yelp as it is, is stupid.
the company will have problems as result.
and just ducking behind hr doesn't really help.
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
"If ask any professional you'll ever meet about how they find their jobs, almost none of them will tell you they use any kind of job search. By far the best way is to network with people you know."
For very high wage post like CFO, CIO, or C level manager you are right, for the rest of us ? Bullshit. The crushing majority of "middle" class or white collar job are found through want ads or similar.
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A lot of people (sock puppets?) seem to be making this the story of a brat who can't make good choices, but I see it as the story of how a young American worker's enthusiasm and determination got her ground into hamburger.
It's too bad her parents gave her lots of determination and enthusiasm and not enough common sense, but that's not unusual in any sense. How do you propose that we allocate the available space in San Francisco, given that we live in a capitalism?
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
So basically you're saying that she should be forced to sell the car that she presumably already owned so that Yelp can pay their CSRs $9 per hour less than the Bay Area average for CSRs? I just want to make sure I understand you correctly....
Have you ever lived in or near San Francisco? It is common to not be able to afford a car. I have known numerous people who lived in that situation who could not afford a car. They still managed to feed, clothe, and house themselves, and get to work. Now that parking is practically impossible anywhere in SF, people are provably better off without them. (And can you imagine what SF would be like without any cars at all, and with the streets reclaimed for green space? It would be a fucking paradise in the way that people imagine that it is and in precisely the way that it is not.)
My car got stolen in SF, I should have sold it on the way in and got another one on the way out. I could have walked to work. There's no time of the year when the weather prohibits that, if you are willing to wear a duck suit. Heh! I wrote "fuck suit" first. Lots of people in SF wear those, but I don't think they help much with rain. You would get cold.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
One of the groups at Oracle Headquarters has their own Keg Fridge. In the Office. At the headquarters. While I suspect it was only used on Fridays, there is ample precedent for companies allowing drinking at work.
I worked for Tivoli shortly post-buyout and since their early days they had a beer Friday tradition, because Texas. (Hey, it's not all bad.) Sometimes beers would hang around in the fridge and sometimes someone would drink one, and the world failed to end. Tivoli's corporate culture did go into the toilet, but that's because of IBM, not because of beer. It was fairly usual for people to have a drink at lunch, too.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
And I was just watching another stories about Yelp:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
1) Not sure English is really your native language. 2) I was unaware that this episode had already led to plans for revolution and wealth re-distribution on such a grand scale. 3) All Talia wants to do is her part in waking a reluctant workforce up to a) how at least one tech company exploits it's workers, and b) that the workers can't depend on someone else to improve things, so they ought to consider it themselves.
Other thoughts: I don't think I'd like to live in a world where "common sense" meant only that you should leave an exploitative industry to it's own devices and keep quiet while it consumes the remaining sheep within it's grasp. To me, part of being a free person is standing up to exploitation and extinguishing it from the American experience.
Most of the comments here are about whether the woman in question is a whiner. That isn't the important point. The National Labor act makes it illegal to fire employees for "discussing terms and conditions of employment with fellow employees". The NLRB has ruled that social media is a way to discuss conditions with other employees. Unless she was discussing company secrets not related to things like salary she can't be fired for that. More detail can be found here: https://www.nlrb.gov/news-outr... If Yelp fired her because of this post, then they are going to owe her back wages and maybe a lot more.
How did she discover? Her work email stopped working.
I assume there was at least one more step to it than that. If I discovered my email had stopped working, I wouldn't automatically assume I'd been fired and not bother coming into work. I'd go to work as normal, ask around, and then someone would tell me I'd been fired.
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It was her grandad's car - probably not hers to sell away but hers to use. Even if it could be sold - it was in poor condition so probably doesn't amount to much as an asset to sell.
If she moves to other parts of the country - the car might turn out to be a great asset to possess and not have sold earlier for peanuts.
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How would that spur any change? She should have jst used a pen name.
A millennial using the word millennial as a derogatory term. That's kind of cute in all its awkwardness.
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Yelp is useless. They delete bad reviews. Amazon has a sycophant army marking bad reviews as unhelpful, but Yelp goes one further and just deletes them.
This has nothing to do with Jeremy Stoppleman. This woman is clearly irresponsible and naive. Nothing she wrote depicts any sign of real world knowledge or experience. I, honestly, would not trust her to watch a chia pet.
Brilliance without wisdom, power without conscience. Ours is a world of nuclear giants and ethical infants.
1) Not sure English is really your native language.
Sure you're a dumbfuck
2) I was unaware that this episode had already led to plans for revolution and wealth re-distribution on such a grand scale.
If you're calling for this girl to get a better deal, that's what you're calling for, whether you know it or not. It's too bad you don't know it, because you're a dumbfuck
3) All Talia wants to do is her part in waking a reluctant workforce up to a) how at least one tech company exploits it's workers, and b) that the workers can't depend on someone else to improve things, so they ought to consider it themselves.
No, she wants to complain, and she wants it to be someone else's fault that she has no marketable skills worth mentioning, and went to work someplace she can't afford because she wants to live there when there are jobs elsewhere in the country. Granted, bloody few of them. But she's not even aware enough to know what's going on in the country, she's just focused on herself. She's also a dumbfuck. She can't be complaining that she doesn't have enough money to eat while simultaneously posting pictures of steaks and eggs benedict. I couldn't afford to eat that shit at her age, either. She blew through her money living beyond her means and then decided to blame it on her employer, and she got fired precisely as she deserved, not least because she deliberately violated the terms of her employment.
Other thoughts: I don't think I'd like to live in a world where "common sense" meant only that you should leave an exploitative industry to it's own devices and keep quiet
That's not what I said, and it's just another example of how you are a dumbfuck that you would characterize it as such, you disingenuous douchebag. First, she was not in an "industry". She was a phone monkey, not a programmer. Second, she chose to go to work for a company that paid shit in a place where you need lots of money to live a "normal" lifestyle. Other people making what she is making share housing and eat ramen.
There is a problem with wages in San Francisco, but unless you were born there, you really don't get to bitch because you knew the situation before you moved there. San Francisco is typically one of the world's most expensive cities to live in, it pretty much always is in the top ten, and any asshole can fire up their web browser and find this sort of thing out... unless they're a dumbfuck
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
"And the positions I’d be offered would all be unpaid internships."
This is something that needs to be killed, with fire.
The rest of it is fairly solid though. Most young people expect the hard work is all in school and that a magical, high-paid job is waiting at the end of all those cram sessions and exams. Hell, my wife is going through this right now while studying for a new field, and the one thing I have to stress to her is that - while I personally make a good wage and a lot more than her current - that's based on over a decade of experienced gained and ladders climbed, including jobs with crappy pay.
But while even a decade ago one could start at the bottom and climb, an oft-overlooked factor is that that the bottom hasn't moved much, but the water your ladder is sitting in has. The *cost* of living (and no, I don't mean bourbon, but rent, heating, food, and possibly fuel) has surged and is outstripping wages at the middle let alone the bottom.
There are problems at both ends of the spectrum: People at the top who make obscene amounts of money and see those under as menial subservients; and people in the working pool who frankly lack either the work-ethic or take their employment seriously. Both problems also tend to feed each other, with workers feeling beaten down and thus "why try", and corporations who want to both sell us (or better yet, rent us) expensive products and pay us low wages.
He says it didn't come up to him. Can't prevent what you don't know is happening.
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Deservedly so, it seems.
Except she wasn't fine to begin with. She didn't, after all, get paid enough to live on. So she faced the choice of making a bad situation slightly worse but putting the screws on a robber baron in the process, or making a totally ineffective gesture.
Expect more and more people to take a hard look at their lives and decide they have nothing to lose besides their chains. And expect their choises regarding this to get more and more radical as gentler alternatives - such as open letters - prove totally ineffective. Once that avalanche really gets going, there's no stopping it; we're heading for another age of revolution.
Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.
I live a very comfortable lifestyle because I've learned how to work effectively and constructively within a large corporation.
I'm not sure that managing not to intentionally publicly embarrass my employer is a terribly onerous compromise in response.
It's certainly much less of a personal burden than fellatio and I'm fairly sure I lack the physical attributes (and technique) to earn anywhere near as much through such acts.
this should not be marked troll. this is dead on the money
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what is there to address? you have a crybaby who thinks she is owed the world. If anything it is a good thing to address in the manor if
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The National Labor act makes it illegal to fire employees for "discussing terms and conditions of employment with fellow employees". [...] If Yelp fired her because of this post, then they are going to owe her back wages and maybe a lot more.
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In a word, no. The post wasn't disseminated only to other Yelp employees. It was aired on the open internet, which is a clear violation of her employment contract. Nobody is going to pay their employees to badmouth them on the internet. That's just not how it works.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
There are endless explanations for the photos including photoshop, other's photos being used, photos taken months earlier being posted later, that Talia enjoyed cooking until the high heating bill wiped her out, that Talia cooks at her bf or neighbor's house, etc.
If she doesn't want to be taken as a fraud, then she should take effort not to look like one. That's how the internet works. When you expose yourself to scrutiny, it shows up. God forbid I should ever become internet famous, surely someone will come out of the woodwork with perversion-related web content from my teenage years, or the picture of me on Three Mile Beach after losing my shorts, with my Pacific-Ocean chilled pecker doing its best to hide from the public view, cursed thing.
But that's how the world works. Until we learn to stop shitting on people for being human, it's going to continue to work that way. There are, however, advantages. We've entered a time in which more and more people are being held accountable for their actions, and that is a positive thing. Yes, the internet lets people spread memes about how wonderful the pope supposedly is for being less evil than prior popes, but it also lets us shame him for relocating child molesters. Yes, it did just let this young woman commit career suicide right out of the gate, but it may also help her begin another career.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Your logic presupposes two assumptions that I do not agree with, and draws a conclusion that ignores the downside. On the whole, $25 minimum wage is unsupportable.
First, someone on minimum wage should not expect to be living in an apartment on the own - driving a car. I'm not sure when it came to pass that minimum wage was equated to a living wage, but Pres. Obama seemed to draw that conclusion with his $10.10 minimum wage - the figure he uses that would provide a worker with the funds for themself and two dependents.
Second, life in Tennessee is different from life in San Francisco. The folks in Knoxville chose to have lower taxes, less social services, etc. to fit their life choices, just as the folks in San Francisco choose to have very high taxes. The people who own the buildings there choose to offer their apartments at high rents because people are desperate enough to pay them. Food is expensive there because the workers want exotic food.
Your conclusion that $25/hour fixes a lot of things is short sighted. Sure, it would make some of the lowest paid workers there happy for awhile, but Yelp and other employers would do one of two things: either reduce their workforce or move it entirely somewhere else. And rents for everyone would go up. As would tolls, gas prices, etc.
For evidence on layoffs, look what's happening in Seattle - as there minimum wage goes up (beyond what the market used to support), unemployment is going up. That's right - while the national and even regional unemployment numbers are approaching record lows, unemployment in Seattle is increasing.
It's all supply and demand. If more workers can now afford the $1600 rent, there will be a shortage of apartments and owners will charge more. They will have to charge more because their burger prices went up so that the restaurant can pay their busboys $25/hour.
I agree with what you're saying, with one important caveat: it's pretty typical in soft-skill jobs (which media, frankly, is) where there is a good supply of qualified workers to take a job doing customer service to get one's foot in the door. Further, it's typical with such places to have a minimum time in service (12 or 18 months, usually) before being allowed to move to a new position... because lots of qualified people are sticking their foot in the same door.
Before I went back to school and got my CS degree, I worked customer service at a major wireless carrier. At the time (mid/late nineties) they were expanding and growing. I had a friend who worked customer service there (because she wanted to get into sales, and they said 'you will need to get your foot in the door') and said if you can do your year, within six months afterward if you have any skill whatsoever you'd find a different job. She did; I did; it all worked out. We knew what we were getting into and, yes, a year on the phones kinda sucked. I had my eye on a larger prize and knew my own skills, so it worked for me. The woman complains about this, but knew it going into it. I don't know if Yelp *actually* promotes from within, and if they don't this is indeed a specious practice. If they do promote from within (as my previous employer did), then I don't have a problem with it if they disclose up front.
It would be rather foolish to sell a productive asset - a car which lets you seek work from a larger area - to help with a cashflow problem.
That something being your internalized cultural indoctrination making up shit to shield said culture's systems from criticism. It's actually quite fascinating to watch.
Also, you're making the rather weird assumption that people are robots and don't need recreation. I presume it originates from the same ideological source, since it certainly isn't something you could conclude from observing humans or being one yourself.
Shouldn't you be more worried about having to effectively subsidize Yelp by letting them pay their employees such low wages that those employees end up on public support?
Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.
No one has said it's unfair except the girl who wrote the letter. She wrote a whining letter and is no continuing to whine about the consequences.
Would a better salary have been reasonable given the national average for the same work. Absolutely. Did she deserve a better salary? Possibly, I don't know. From what I can tell she was trying to make up the difference in other ways but was unwilling to actually change her lifestyle to suit her income. To me that's just poor decision making and not worth all the hype here or anywhere else, no matter how much money she was making.
People all over the world deal with their poor choices every day. She's just never had to actually deal with the consequences before, it seems. She'll learn a lesson (hopefully) and won't make the same decisions in the future. Just like we all do in our 20s.
"Growing old is inevitable; growing up is optional."
I live in the southern US. I am amazed at the cost of living in big cities. I pay around $1000/month mortgage on my 3000+ square foot home on almost 4 acres of land. I can't even imagine paying that for something smaller than my laundry room.
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I made it on 22k/yr in SF just 15 years ago. That paid for rent, food, utils and a DSL line. That's it. No eating out, no cell phone, few nights a month go out for a beer with friends. Gotta start somewhere, and that's where I started. This dope goes to college to get a mostly worthless degree, and immediately want to live like her middle-class parents. She believes she is entitled to it NOW. She will be that person that is 45 working a register at CVS moaning about how unfair it all is.
. . . .when the same regimes that prefer low-wage labor also prefer that their near-slaves also lack the means to successfully prosecute a religion.
Silicon Valley: good luck taking on the Elites with their armed Security, when all you've got is, at best, Molotov Cocktails, zip-guns, and the occasional legal weapon.
Plus Walled communities, control of the telecom infrastructure, and increasingly ubiquitous surveillance. . .
The photo was NOT showing anyone drinking. It was an unopened bottle. Get the facts before making accusations. Do you know it wasn't a gift?
The "sexual commentary" was both lame and tame by today's standards, and certainly not offensive unless you hate tacos.
Eggs Benedict is NOT luxury. And english muffin topped with bacon and a poached egg, with some sauce on top, is hardly any fancier than an Egg McMuffin.
Drug use off the company dime is not the company's business. This being San Francisco, I doubt all of Yelp's management would pass a pee test.
She complained about not being able to take company food home because, like many of her co-workers, she's finding it impossible to make ends meet. Everyone hits the snacks, because nobody can afford to eat properly on their pay.
So stop being such a suck-up to Yelp, a company that probably deserves to die sooner than later because of their shake-down business model.
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Let me get my head around this... you live in an alternate universe where you and every other human being except for Talia agree that her pay was not unfair? And here I thought it was me and millions of other sympathizers who you were bellowing on and on against. Well, since you consider the argument already won, I expect we won't hear from you again about this.
G and R and E and E again, and finally D.
First of all, you SUCK at making an argument or counterargument. Second of all, you SUCK at presentation of "evidence". Third of all, you suck as a human being for raising your voice to screaming levels in defense of an unquestionably exploitative corporation.
Wow that sucks... wonder what all these are about then?
http://alotofrice.pixieset.com...
What's entertaining is that the author actually DOES have an English degree. Which shows exactly what that is worth.
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We can help!
5 EMPLOYERS = ["YELP", "UBER",
10 I = I + 1
20 CUR_EMP = EMPLOYERS[I]
30 PRINT CUR_EMP + " Employee Posts Open Letter About Cost Of Living And Low Wages"
40 PRINT "Employee Gets Fired"
50 GOTO 10
"He didn't personally turn off her email, perhaps he did not even make the decision to fire her, but as the person who ultimately sets the culture and policies of the company, his claim to not be directly responsible is unconvincing."
As CEO, everything he says is pretty much a lie. It's how it's done in "America".
I have no idea what you're talking about with this comment. I said no one has said Yelp shouldn't see this as pressure to up their wages. Whatever else you're referring to makes no sense whatsoever.
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Life is hard. Be happy you have something and some place to complain about it, there are others not as fortunate as you.
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High high cost of housing if the bay area is not the fault of Yelp, but due to the policies of local government. The only way to make it more affordable it to bring down the cost by adding supply. This includes the nearby suburbs.
You and I have a very different definition of slightly worse then. She went from employed earning a salary that was less than what she wanted but still survivable with sacrifices to completely unemployable. As of now no employer would touch her with a barge pole. She has demonstrated toxic behaviour towards her employer, and it doesn't matter how justified or not you think it is, no one will want to take a risk on her.
And those people who think they are chained and try to lose them will be in for a very very rude awakening. No one is owed a job. When you are given a job two parties take risks, the employee and the employer. It is a double sided coin, but the less skills you have and the bigger the risk your personality represents the less an employer will want to take on risk for you.
Depends on what you mean by "near". I live in Sunnyvale (South Bay). I would not be able to function down here without a car. I would have to buy a grocery basket, because public transit doesn't get you significantly closer than walking. It's a question of whether you walk for half an hour or forty-five minutes while carrying all your groceries.
If you're actually in San Francisco, public transit works well. You don't have to go very far outside the city center before it completely breaks down. By contrast, I absolutely refuse to drive in San Francisco proper because my experience has been that the roads are a living nightmare of poorly market lane changes and turns, one-way streets, cab/bus-only streets, etc. It is to the grid system what the Centre Pompidou is to architecture. If I have to go up to "the city", I drive several miles to the Caltrain station and take that up. It is possible to do it without driving, but only if I leave San Francisco no later than the 8:40 Caltrain. Otherwise, you'll get stuck at either the Mountain View station and will have to either take a cab or wait until 5:00 when the buses and trains start running again. I suppose you could pay extra to return to Sunnyvale Caltrain, assuming you realize that the light rail has already left before you step off the train....
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She complained about being so poor she had to pick up pennies and get donations from a CVS worker...
Does these look like posts of a girl so poor she's searching for pennies on the ground?
http://alotofrice.pixieset.com...
From her "help me survive fund"
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Young women of every tax bracket have in their possession a number of ridiculously overpriced beauty aids. No telling how long ago she purchased this facial rub, who gifted it to her, or anything else. So no - not proof that she's a fraud.
If everyone was willing to work for stupid low wages in a stupid high-cost area. Then they (The company) have no incentive to offer more money to attract good people. You do research on if it is beneficial to work in that location for those wages. If not, you don't accept that position. I don't blame her though. She was hoping to hit it big doing something she enjoys for a job. That is pretty commendable. But no one said doing what you love pays all your bills.
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In a way that makes sense to me. I've generally had any sort of electronics stuff of any worth (say over $100) delivered to the workplace, because both the UPS and regular post persons have a tendency to randomly drop shit in plain view on my front stoop (often with labelling proclaiming it to be electronics/worth stealing). I'd imagine ammo might similarly be something that less scrupulous persons might want to steal, so the workplace is a safer place to get it dropped.
I've never had alcohol or ammo delivered by mail though, let alone at work, so not sure how that would go over. I suppose it depends on the packaging.
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Casteism
You miss all the other pictures? While complaining about starving on rice, she's baking up a storm, ordering alcohol, eating out... She shut off her heat but has cable tv? I'm not claiming "fraud", just showing that something is not right in her story.
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Do we even know who actually made the decision to fire her at this point? Does she?
Seriously, you're SPENDING MONEY on a domain to smear Talia's reputation? Makes me very suspicious of your interest in all of this. And sorry, you have no evidence of Talia's supposed prosperity for the reasons I outlined above. Poor people have all kinds of things in their possession which they can't afford to buy every day, especially women and their beauty supplies.