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John Kasich To Drop Out, Leaving Trump as GOP Nominee (vox.com)
Multiple outlets are reporting that Ohio Gov. John Kasich plans to suspend his run to be the GOP presidential nominee. The move, if happens, would make Donald Trump the presumptive nominee for the GOP. The report comes hours after Kasich abruptly cancelled a planned press conference (could be paywalled; alternate source) in Virginia on Wednesday morning. LA Times reports: Kasich, the Ohio governor, had pledged to continue campaigning as a Trump alternative who could deny the billionaire needed delegates. But on Wednesday, he canceled a news conference in Washington and planned an announcement for later in the day in Columbus, Ohio, to drop out. Vox has more details.
No way Trump beats her in the general election. The polls make that pretty clear.
This site always has been partly about US-american politics.
That's my thinking too. He's secretly friends with the Clintons and was running to ensure their victory.
Maybe I'm watching too much House of Cards...
Cruz dropping out handed the race over.
Kasich could have won every delegate from Tuesday night to convention time and still would not have caught Trump. How he could have gotten any at all much less all of them, when he has no cash and won only his home state is a great question. Other than symbolically not causing a ruckus up to the convention, it means nothing to the race.
And to linking to an alternate source. Kudos to the editors.
I guess the question now is whether Trump will be willing to tone down the rhetoric, make some comprehensive, real-world arguments on important stuff like foreign policy, and basically be more presidential. Also, he'll have to pick an amazing VP candidate and show himself as open to selecting people who can fill in the experience gaps he has.
Like her or hate her, Clinton was the Secretary of State. Anyone actually watching the political side of this (debates, etc.) and not voting based on stump speeches and commercials can see there's an experience gap, and I think that'll be clear in a general election debate unless Trump does some serious studying between now and then.
All in all, a fun political season is coming. You've got the establishment that wants things as-is, angry workers who have no jobs because they've been offshored, outsourced or automated, angry conservatives who want smaller government, and angry liberals from the Sanders camp who want more. Personally, I'd be amazed if Trump could pull off a trade war with the rest of the world. Coming from the Rust Belt, it would be great to see factories running 3 shifts of thousands of workers again, but I doubt that can be pulled off.
Can Don still pick Hillary as his running mate?
We are now one step closer to the future prophesied by Judge in the Book of Idiocracy. Exciting times.
He and Bernie Sanders are the only ones even CLAIMING they'll take on H1-B's, outsourcing, and big business. Is it likely that Trump will actually follow through with this? Nope. Is it likely that he's going to represent the same interests of his rich business friends just like ever other politician? Yep.
But is there any other choice that's even POSSIBLY going to stand up for the little guy? Not on the Republican side.
SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
How is this news for nerds, stuff that matters?
Oh, maybe because Trump is a conservative populist who would think it a good idea to ban strong encryption, abolish net neutrality, increase the surveillance powers of the security services, ... the list goes on. I'm also pretty sure that a large portion of the US ner community is either hispanic, female or both and we all know what Trump's opinion is of people belonging to those groups.
You're our only hope.
Too bad his chances at this point aren't much bigger than a womp rat.
Seriously, picture the old Uncle Sam character — wearing tall head, the blue jacket and striped pants. Now try to imagine other contenders — from both major parties — in the outfit.
Trump is the only one, who can possibly fit. There is even a red-haired variant, if you must quibble...
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
"a large portion of the US ner [sic] community is either hispanic, female or both"
The hell kind of drugs are you on?
ANATOMY OF FASCISM - Robert Paxton
"Fascism may be defined as a form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation, or victim-hood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy, and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion."
The Five Stages of Fascism
1) Intellectual exploration, where disillusionment with popular democracy manifests itself in discussions of lost national vigor
2) Rooting, where a fascist movement, aided by political deadlock and polarization, becomes a player on the national stage
3) Arrival to power, where conservatives seeking to control rising leftist opposition invite the movement to share power
4) Exercise of power, where the movement and its charismatic leader control the state in balance with state institutions such as the police and traditional elites such as the clergy and business magnates.
5) Radicalization or entropy, where the state either becomes increasingly radical, as did Nazi Germany, or slips into traditional authoritarian rule, as did Fascist Italy.
You can read the full thing here
https://libcom.org/files/Rober...
Can Don still pick Hillary as his running mate?
No. The P and the VP cannot be from the same state. They are both New Yorkers.
It's rather ironic that I am currently reading Turtledove's Southern Victory series and I am currently on the book Blood and Iron that deals in part on the rise of the Freedom Party in the South. I feel almost like I am watching a true life version of the Freedom Party rise to power with Trump. A populist candidate spewing hatred in order to rile up an angry, frustrated, and poorly educated support base tends to not end very well.
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
How is this news for nerds, stuff that matters?
Short answer: It isn't.
Whipslash, et. al, I like a lot of what you've done with the site since you took over, but can we please have less political news that is not directly connected to technology? If I wanted political discussions, I'd go elsewhere. I come to /. for "news for nerds," and too much that isn't tech news is highly likely to drive away readers.
I second those who don't want to see /. go any further toward being a Reddit clone.
This just supports the theory Kasich was in it only to suck off some points from the other candidates like Cruz, in exchange for a vp position from Trump. All the Rubio-Kasich deal was BS all along.
(-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
How is this news for nerds, stuff that matters?
Try answering these questions:
Is news for nerds? Yes/No.
Is it stuff that matters? Yes/No.
If you get one or more yes's then the condition is satisfied.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
She has no path to victory vs Trump.
Bernie does.
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The mediocre wall of America. We should start calling it this just because it would annoy Trump
Political discourse is something that nerds need to pay attention to, and it's something that matters.
I come to slashdot for the fact that it does have relevant news that isn't entirely technology based, all the time.
I just hope Trump doesn't now announce Cruz or Fiorina as his running mate.
I don't fully buy that argument though as if Trump can't beat Hillary, then none of the Republican nominees could beat Hillary.
The Republican party hates, hates, hates Hillary Clinton with a passion to the point that you'd think she was a black Muslim illegal immigrant performing abortions with the guns she just got done taking away from everyone. Some Republicans might not like Trump (or whatever other candidate might have been the nominee) but they will still show up to vote against Hillary because their dislike is strong enough.
Some of the earlier candidates might have been able to have better mainstream appeal than Trump to lock up additional independent or undecided votes, but Trump is probably closer to the center on average than any of the other candidates, especially if you look at his historical stances. But neither Cruz or Kasich were going to be able to sway voters on the other side as in my opinion they typically had all of Trump's downsides and none of the upsides.
I don't know if he'll win or not and I'm voting third party as usual, but I wouldn't be surprised if he pulled it off. Hillary is all but officially the nominee, but she hasn't locked it down yet and a lot of Sanders voters despise her. The Politics subreddit looked like some kind of right-wing site from all of the anti-Hillary posts or submissions, but it was almost entirely the Bernie Sanders supporters that were doing it. The longer that drags out, the weaker it makes Hillary in the general election and means she ends up spending money in the primary that she won't have in the general election.
My guess is that even if Trump would generally be okay with a Clinton presidency or even endorse her over the Republican candidate if he weren't running himself, that he's the kind of egotistical person who would throw Clinton under the bus just because he'd rather win himself. It's a weird election cycle for sure though.
Oh, maybe because Trump is a conservative populist who would think it a good idea to ban strong encryption, abolish net neutrality, increase the surveillance powers of the security services
And you think Clinton is any different? You're not paying attention.
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
A narrow-mindedness drug. Slashdot can be seen at the other side of the pond as well.
Nae king! Nae laird! Nae yurrupiean pressedent! We willna be fooled again!
what if no one get's 270?
Please be courteous and turn the lights out.
But.. what if Hillary picks Al Gore as her running mate? Al invented the Internet, I'm sure he can save it!
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
It is crazy I know, but would you put it past Trump?
Bullshit.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
You don't seem to know how pardons work. She doesn't have to plead guilty; Nixon for example was pardoned without ever having been charged. Accepting a pardon, however, is an admission of guilt. There would be no faster way to lose an election. Republicans would be calling for her head on a plate before the ink on the signature dried.
Those who advocate genocide deserve every protection afforded by law, and none afforded by common human decency.
Blago got 14 years for doing nothing and Hillary get's off?
He better get a pardon or have some real dirt on somebody
So...the condition is not satisfied then.
It's definitely not news for nerds. Is it stuff that matters? I think that depends up on whether or not you believe there is any real difference in the candidates. Politics is theater for the masses. Its meant to keep us divided over petty, stupid, and unimportant things; while everything that is not accurately described that way is settled behind closed doors. As a registered voter for the last 25+ years, and someone who makes less than $5 million/year, I have yet to see a presidential nominee I felt really represented my interests.
So it definitely doesn't matter to me anyway. Of course, you may feel differently. But to that point I would argue that many, many things do matter. Slashdot cannot be the forum for all of them. I think Slashdot's greatest strength is the community of people working in the fields of science and technology that bring their opinion to bear on those same subjects.
Every asshole on the planet has an opinion on politics (including this asshole), and they are generally not working in the field of politics, so that opinion actually means very little.
I'm sorry, but your opinion seems to be wrong.
Can Don still pick Hillary as his running mate?
No. The P and the VP *should not* be from the same state. *One of them is a true* New Yorker.
FTFY...
FWIW, your original statement however, was misinformed. The constitution only bars both electors from a state from voting for inhabitants of their home state. This only makes it disadvantageous for a party to select the P and VP from the same state, but doesn't prohibit it.
Kasich was the least insane of the GOP candidates. But insane just the same.
You really have a problem when a political party cannot produce one, just one viable candidate.
> (I bet Trump would hire a dude off the street with no experience but yuuuge hair for CEO in a second)
Trump says some really stupid things. On the other hand, he hires really good people, people like Steve Wynn. I could easily list ten things about Trump that worry me, but "hires idiots" certainly wouldn't be on that list.
I HOPE that he says the things he does for the same reason that Hillary does - because those comments poll well with the voters he's targeting. The guy does know something about marketing. I hope he's smarter than his more outrageous comments make him appear.
(citation needed)
Fun fact: Hilary is pro-net neutrality.
Linux, you magnificent bastard, I read the fucking manual!
"He'll sit here, and he'll say, 'Do this! Do that!' And nothing will happen. Poor Donald - it won't be a bit like his corporation. He'll find it very frustrating."
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Is it stuff that matters?
That's a question you have to ask yourself when we're talking about running for one of the most powerful offices in the world? No wonder Trump's the nominee.
Linux, you magnificent bastard, I read the fucking manual!
At the end of the day they all work for the federal government so they all play for the same team. Like the good cops looking the other way for the bad cops.
Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
not voting for trump and getting hillary, or voting for trump and getting trump?
lose != loose
Indeed. But also entirely predictable - look at how things have turned out for recent, more typical GOP candidates. McCain and Romney were exactly the sorts of candidates we might expect the GOP to field, and they ended up not only losing, but being demonized by their own party. If you were the a reasonable, conservative leaning guy with some relevant experience - the next McCain or Romney - why would you step up right now? 2/3rds of your own party hates you because you won't accept all of their conservative purity vows - and you're still too far right to have any hope in a general.
So of course they aren't getting good candidates.
Let's not stir that bag of worms...
John Kasich had about as much chance of winning the Republican nomination as I do...which is to say zero chance. The fact that he even remained in this long is a testament to the mans ego more than anything else. What exactly was he hoping to accomplish? Was he hoping for a contested convention where somehow he was going to emerge the winner, despite the fact that he has won a grand total of one state so far (his home state)? Was his goal simply to block Trump? Or maybe emerge as the VP on the ticket?
Well it looks like all of those things have backfired. Time to go back to Ohio.
I'm waiting for the inevitable photoshopping of giant mirrored TRUMP signs on the wall once built, mirroring the ghastly signs on the rest of his properties.
Slashdot still doesnâ(TM)t support Unicode after it was added to the HTML standard in 1997.
The "democrats and republicans are the same" answer has always been stupid, as they are so many issues where they are very different. But now we're talking about Trump vs a democrat, if you can't see the difference, I suggest returning your brain, because it is defective.
The us election not only matters for everyone in the us, it also matter for the whole world. And if Trump is elected, the world is fucked.
Not-so-fun fact: Hillary believes civilians need to register their guns and has publicly stated she wishes to see Australian-style gun registration as well as no handguns among the civilian populace.
This alone makes her unfit for any public office, not to mention her hideous stances on pro-homosexuality, pro-feminism, pro-abortion.
She's wholly unfit for office.
You might want to pause a second and take note that the "news for Nerds" line is no longer anywhere on slashdot's pages.
Somewhere along the way /. has strayed from and forgotten its founding principles.
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We've known since at least the 1700s that first-past-the-post plurality voting is a totally broken system. It's irresponsible to conduct any election with more than two alternatives in this fashion.
In many places, especially early in the election cycle, Trump would have lost any single head-to-head matchup. But his opponents were always split, and plurality voting is tremendously vulnerable to this kind of problem.
Process matters. If our elections were conducted using a Condorcet method like Ranked Pairs, Maximum Majority, or Schulze, we would have had less irrationality and extremism from both parties throughout the years, and the existing parties would not have become so entrenched.
Here's a popular-audience explanation by a couple of Nobel winners.
What's gonna be awesome is that his "get them to pay for it" means tariffs... ...
Which means dismantling NAFTA
Which means a REPUBLICAN president, fighting a REPUBLICAN congress to dismantle NAFTA
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Orville Redenbacher is gonna make a fortune!
Maybe it's not, but it's got a long history here... I remember the Obama stories, the Bush stories all the way back to before 9/11. Usually the discussion has circled in on what it means for nerds and tech workers, not political discussion in general and so turned it into a useful topic for us that you wouldn't really get elsewhere. If you don't feel that's the case anymore, it's mostly the crowd at fault not the story. And sometimes it's fun to see how /. can be armchair political experts too in addition to supreme court justices, like if Clinton would win more or less on walkover because she's establishment then Trump would never, ever been the republican candidate to being with. I think a jumbo bag of popcorn is in order up to the election...
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
That would be true if it was a discourse... From what I am reading, it is merely people frothing at the mouth and not doing one bit of true discourse.
That remains to be seen! From what I have seen of American politics, none of it matters! Everything from the broken 2 party system to the media that feeds on the hate. From the totally unnecessary electoral college meaning my vote doesn't count for shit to the failures we are producing as candidates. From the corporate puppets we have in Congress to the fools that keep electing them always blaming some other fools Congressional choice for the total collapse of this discourse you talk about even in the halls where discourse is supposed to happen! Again, it doesn't matter.
This is a sig. This is only a sig. Had this been an actual sig you would have been informed where to tune for more sigs.
Hillary Clinton is leading Donald Trump at 54 points to 41 points.
Honest question. I'm not sure if it's even an issue in my team versus your team politics, nor that the type of people voting for certain types of candidates has ever cared.
Karl Popper once tried to come up with an exact rule to determine what a scientific discipline is.
For example, astrology is based on mathematics. Should that be considered a science?
In regards to social and political theories, he noted that the Communist revolution was predicted to start in a highly industrialized country and England was held the likely starting spot. This was thought to be all kinds of scientific, and made historical predictions from rationalization over observations of the social, political, economic scenes at the time.
It was literally, at the time, felt that future predictions from historical precedent was a science.
When it actually happened in Russia (a rural, pastoral, mostly rustic country) the historical scientists of the time had to change their assumptions. The end result was still Communism, but the extra data from Russia allowed for the revolution to start in rural countries as well.
Popper didn't think that this was proper science.
And neither do I.
You can't just cherry-pick historical precedent and think it has any predictive power on the future.
Our situation is absolutely, completely not the same as the ones Robert Paxton has written about.
For one, he is cherry picking his examples. It's an obvious psychological trick - most people can't come up with counter-examples on their own, so his position *seems* like it's always the case and is inevitable.
For two, he's a popular writer, and is encouraged to make things seem just a bit more lurid to make his works more popular. (Not by lying, but he can choose which examples and situations he uses.)
For three, he notes specifically that only Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy have progressed through all 5 stages. Among the hundred-or-so counter examples for which we have good information.
And finally, there are stark differences between Trump and, for example Hitler (source):
.) Hitler wanted to conquer other countries. Trump is opposed to war unless for defense. .) Hitler tried to exterminate minorities. Trump’s policies lean pro-minority:
1. Veterans are disproportionately minorities.
2. Aborted babies are often minorities.
3. Trump wants to avoid people “dying in the streets” with no healthcare, and that benefit is good for minorities.
4. Trump wants to keep Social Security strong, which helps everyone, but mostly people at lower incomes.
5. Trump’s spokesperson is half African-American. Trump’s daughter converted to Judaism. And so on, and so on.
6. Stopping illegal immigration reduces job competition for lower-income families.
7.. Some say it also reduces violence to women of all ethnicities.
7. Trump wants citizens to be armed. Hitler didn’t want that.
Unlike Hitler, Trump is happy to invite anyone with useful technical skills to the country, no matter their ethnicity. And unlike Hitler, Trump has never made reference to ethnicity. Trump often mentions countries of origin and also religion. But so far, not ethnicity. Not ever.
And for a bit of icing, note that we live in a world of communication where it is infinitely more difficult for propaganda to thrive. That's a yuuuuge difference right there!
Stop treating history as a science, 'cause it aint.
One thing a lot of people are missing is that Trump's trade-war-mongering plays pretty darn well with one major sector of the Democratic Party's traditional base: Organized labor.
Which do I choose, Chaotic Evil or Neutral Evil? I think I'll probably be voting Whig. Maybe Libertarian, if they've retreated a bit from the fever swamps they were in years ago when I took them off my "A Plague on Both Your Parties Vote" list.
The constitution has this little clause called ex post facto. Look it up.
Actually look at the last sentence, the one you deleted, I restored it for your convenience. Its not ex post facto if its 'born' classified. One example of 'born' classified is info from a private conversation with a head of state or ambassador. As Secretary of State Clinton was explicitly trained on what sort of info is 'born' classified and that any lack of markings on classified material does not change its status. Explicitly trained on this!
Yeah, how did that impeachment of Bill Clinton for lying to congress about a blow job work out for you, anti-Clinton partisans?
The impeachment was about lying in court, to a judge, while under oath; not about lying to congress. Clinton surrendered his license to practice law as part of the plea agreement.
The irony is that your bigotry is inducing tumescence in dozens of manly men across the nation. There are men with erections that have been caused by your post. Throbbing with sexual excitement at reading your righteous, nostalgic, patriarchal, homophobic anger.
How is this news for nerds, stuff that matters?
because Trump is a conservative populist
BZZZ! Wrong. Trump is a progressive populist.
oooohhhhhh man, come on Florida!
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
Cruz and Kasich (and the others while they were still in) were playing iterative rounds of something resembling the Prisoner's Dilemma. Choosing to stay in the race increased their odds of being the nominee by a large factor _if_ there was a contested convention. However staying in the race, and thus dividing the non-Trump votes, also increased the odds that Trump would win outright and there _wouldn't_ be a contested convention.
If one of them had decided to drop out much earlier the other one might have been able to stop Trump from getting enough votes to lock in the nomination and steal it away from him at the convention. (This makes it slightly different from regular Prisoner's Dilemma in that cooperating involves the two players choosing different actions.) Given that going by the number of delegates the one who probably should have dropped out early was Kasich, it's kind of pathetic that he drug his heels long enough to quit _right_ after Cruz. Good job you two! Your arrogant electoral mutual suicide pact has all but guaranteed a Trump nomination!
(I wonder if there were any backroom negotiations going on to try and convince Kasich to drop out in exchange for a vice presidential slot? That's not something that's usually done but this was a pretty unusual case.)
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C'mon, surely evil aliens and mind control is the only rational explanation for the current state of affairs.
Protoplasm. Quiet Protoplasm. I like quiet protoplasm.
The Beginning Of The End.
I'm going to make a comment and my comment will be so great, unlike those other comments which are awful. When you see my comment you'll know how great it is, it'll be so great that you'll actually get tired of how great it is. And my comment will win. It'll win and win and win. It'll win so much you'll get tired of it winning, that's how much it'll win and how great it will be. And no one else will have comments as great as my, I guarantee it, there is no problem with my comments, everyone knows that and they agree that my comments are great. I'll build a wall around my comments and I'll make Slashdot pay for it, you'll see. And it'll be a great comment, a beautiful comment, a comment like no other comment before it. And there will be a Reply button in my comment, a big, beautiful Reply button. And those who want to reply can do so after they've been vetted. Nobody builds Reply buttons like me. Trust me, my comment will be great and it will win.
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
Apparently there was no way he'd get to be the Republican candidate...
One has to conclude that "No way" is one of these terms that has a flexible meaning.
Donald Trump is going to crush Crooked Hilary. Beyond the criminal conduct related to State Dept. e-mails, she has such a record of corruption, accepting bribes from the banking industry, multinational corporations, war profiteers, foreign governments like Saudi Arabia, etc.. She is about as disgusting, gross,and corrupt as possibly imaginable. She does nothing but lie methodically every time she speaks. There is not an honest bone in her body.
This race is about truth vs. the oligarchy and its lies. Donald Trump is a revolution the likes of which has not happened in American politics for over a century.
However, he might pardon her if he expected the same favor in return. Food for thought.
How about we just build a massive wall around Donald Trump, it's cheaper and everybody wins.
All of that is well and good but the inescapable fact is that you -- a man who abhors homosexuality -- are writing things that make other men hard. You are causing erections other than your own. You are causing men to dream (guiltily, but achingly) of the moment they could put their cock up your anus in a manner you and they would find intensely unnatural, but which for them is disgustingly erotic too. I hope you can live with yourself for inducing these sexual undercurrents among men who had hitherto considered themselves as straight as you.
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My only question is, should I write in "Bernard Sanders" or "Bernie Sanders" on my ballot?
But was he speaking Ex Cathedra?
Do you think the American people would elect someone to the Presidency who had admitted to a felony?
A pardon is an admission of guilt, per Burdick v. United States. Not only does your scenario require a great deal of corruption and malfeasance from both parties, but also the collaboration of the American people in electing a known felon. Are you going to vote for Clinton if she accepts a pardon?
Those who advocate genocide deserve every protection afforded by law, and none afforded by common human decency.
How is this news for nerds, stuff that matters?
Whenever a Slashdot story is marked with an American flag icon, a bunch of nitwits start whining "How is this news for nerds?" -1, Redundant.
It's even worse when both can't.
If that person offers them the benefits they want and has the right ideology, enough of them will.
Trump has a killer weapon in this campaign, Democrat party voter purges in closed primaries. The leading Republican question, "Are you going to let Hillary Clinton purge your vote as well?!?".
Never forget the rich and greedy do not have friends, not ever, the have acquaintances and co-conspirators. We they can bring each other down to enrich themselves they will. They focus on their own profits, which is exactly why repeated chaos in the US corporate governments actions over seas, different corporations pulling in different directions, undermining each others work because their profits first.
So Trump the developer and his factions versus Hillary Clinton the banker and military industrial complex and her factions (keep in mind the banks often eat the bulk of the profits of the developer, often sending them bankrupt on purpose, small or big). So the question for everyone else is, which corruption best serves their interests at this time, developers or banksters and war mongers (not that either is good but one is certainly far less evil than the other).
Perhaps a third option or even fourth option might be better all round, more neutrals say Bernie Sanders or Jill Stein (imagine how clean and well behaved a contest between those two would be, an election that would be a pleasure instead of the alternate Trump and Clinton pain).
Chaos - everything, everywhere, everywhen
*This* is what shilling looks like to you? A post referring to a couple of interesting articles in a magazine? Darlink, if I were going to shill, I'd do so a mite more effectively than that...but don't worry, the articles aren't really intended for people like you anyway. They're for people capable of rational thought and with a passing interest in science and logic
Because, this is stuff that matters!
And Having the NSA spy on every citizen on earth isn't scary?? You fear Trump for what others have implemented. People is awakening from this false democracy and no longer fears a dictatorship, because there is already one ongonig. They just need to know who rules, they need to know the dictator. AS of today, we don't know who really rules USA and the west countries
I fear Trump because of the ways he may expand what others have implemented.
Oh, maybe because Trump is a conservative populist who would think it a good idea to ban strong encryption, abolish net neutrality, increase the surveillance powers of the security services
And you think Clinton is any different? You're not paying attention.
Where did I say that? I'm getting pretty tired of this if-not-love-trump-then-must-love-clinton logic.
How is this news for nerds, stuff that matters?
because Trump is a conservative populist
BZZZ! Wrong. Trump is a progressive populist.
Running for president under the banners of one of the most conservative come-to-jesus party in the western world.
The same is true for Clinton. None of them likes the internet the way it is. Both will find a way to reshape it. Whichever wins, the online community loses.
Well in my defence I never said Clinton was somebody I'd be willing to vote for either. It's more of a choice between death by decapitation and death by being slowly burned alive.
Tell you what, if you really believe that, find me any instance where a felon has been elected to any federal office or state governor or lieutenant governor. And then we'll weigh that against the far longer list of people for whom conviction instantly ended their political careers.
It is not to your credit that you are willing to believe that your political opposites are so venal as to vote for an ideological proponent no matter what their criminal background. Most people aren't going to let their political opinions overrule their basic morality sensibility, and there is no more universally despised class in this country than felons. There is no rational basis for your assertion.
Those who advocate genocide deserve every protection afforded by law, and none afforded by common human decency.
who would think it a good idea to ban strong encryption, abolish net neutrality, increase the surveillance powers of the security services, ... the list goes on.
So just like Hillary then. When it comes to groups of people Hillary has similar views just with different groups.
Time to offend someone
Remember, these are the same people who want felons to vote. You might also heed the popularity of this man. If anyone cared about moral rectitude, certain candidates -- from both sides -- would have been off the menu already. Audiences change. The people of the 1950s for whom these mild sins would be a deal-killer are no longer with us. The current audience is much more polarized and ideological.
Repeating your assertion is not equivalent to substantiating it. Find me an example of any felon being elected to federal office, or state executive office. Find me any poll which suggests that it's a remotely plausible situation. Then you can work on explaining why every other person on the previously-linked list had their career ended by their convictions, regardless of political stripe, whether they were pardoned, or what year this took place. If you cannot show strong evidence to support your prejudices, I'll thank you not to continue repeating them.
Those who advocate genocide deserve every protection afforded by law, and none afforded by common human decency.
one of the most powerful offices in the world?
Eh, mostly ceremonial at this point... a service in exchange for another. And Trump will succeed in getting many republicans to vote for Clinton. Surely it was all an accident.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
Good day, sir.
Eh, mostly ceremonial at this point
Just ignore the briefcase with the nuclear launch codes.
Surely it was all an accident.
I just figured something out. When you first read the aphorism 'Never attribute to malice what can be attributed to stupidity' you balled up your little fists, got very angry, and whispered to yourself "No, that's wrong."
Linux, you magnificent bastard, I read the fucking manual!
Ah yes... Everything is working exactly as designed... Thank you for your, submission, yeah, that's it... Bwaaahahahaaaa!
No, seriously, thanks...
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
The way you've turned evasion into an art form, you should consider your own political career.
Then again, you can't turn a phrase for shit, so it's going to be a bit of a slog for you.
Linux, you magnificent bastard, I read the fucking manual!
Well, since I'm not trying to "evade" anything, I can only imagine how successful I would be if I were.
And maybe you should take your own advice and "Get over yourself". The sneer only makes you look grumpy.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
There is no indication besides your willingness to believe evil about others that your supposition is plausible. You have presented no evidence. You've thrown out some nonsense about felons and corrupt mayors, and now some nonsense about false standards, to distract from the point that the preponderance of the evidence is very much in opposition to your claims. I am certainly willing to consider any evidence you care to make an argument for. Asking that you support your opinion with objective facts is not an undue burden.
Those who advocate genocide deserve every protection afforded by law, and none afforded by common human decency.
Well, since I'm not trying to "evade" anything,
Congrats on being a failure even when you're not trying. That's impressive.
And maybe you should take your own advice and "Get over yourself". The sneer only makes you look grumpy.
What can I say? Dumb Americans who think they're hot shit are my kryptonite. And y'all just keep churning them out.
Linux, you magnificent bastard, I read the fucking manual!
:-) You are an expert at misreading, I will grant you that much.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
ROFLMAO!
Son, you gotta write something in order to be misread! Your collection of non-sequiturs, passive-aggressive cheer and other clicks and whistles barely qualify.
Linux, you magnificent bastard, I read the fucking manual!
I object!
Overruled...
I strenuously object!
Noted...
Do you always work this hard to deny simple animal institutional quid pro quo? I mean, really, why do you care? If you want style, sorry... go find your own dumpster.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
Heh. The fact that you think this is hard work explains a lot.
institutional
As soon as you come down off your 'man is the most dangerous animal' high horse, sure.
I mean, really, why do you care?
I hate poorly though out/ lazily explained conspiracy theories. If you're going to talk shit, at least put a little effort in.
If you want style
Shit, I can barely get a grammatically correct sentence outta you, and you're worried about your style! Again, this explains a lot.
Linux, you magnificent bastard, I read the fucking manual!
Man is not the "most" anything other than the dominant species. But again you misread... If you want to consider acting like chimps or a simple common agenda as "conspiracy theory", be my guest, but to me you're just hand waving, dismissing the most simple things that make your Trump and Clinton into today's winners.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
acting like chimps
When the fuck have you ever shown you cared about that? Also,
a simple common agenda
Nice fucking copout. Not to mention hilarious, beacause if that's your be-all and end-all, your reason to sneer at the sheep, it's weak fucking beer. Attend a PTA meeting sometime.
dismissing the most simple things that make your Trump and Clinton into today's winners.
LOL, it's inertia. Not fucking rocket science. I've never made a secret of that.
Are you not getting tired of this one-sided relationship we have? You're going to have to open up sometime. Come on hero, there's still some life left in ya.
Linux, you magnificent bastard, I read the fucking manual!
.... shout about it, when you've got to choose
Any way you look at it you lose..."
- Paul Simon
And yet it's been modded "informative".
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."