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China Fakes 488 Million Social Media Posts a Year To Deceive Its Citizens (bloomberg.com)

In an attempt to keep its citizens from seeing bad news and getting involved in sensitive political debates, China's government fabricates about 488 million social media comments a year, reports Bloomberg citing a study (PDF). The propaganda workers who post comments are known as Fifty Cent Party because they are believed to be paid 50 Chinese cents by the Chinese government for every comment they post. From the report: Although those who post comments are often rumored to be ordinary citizens, the researchers were surprised to find that nearly all the posts were written by workers at government agencies including tax and human resource departments, and at courts. The researchers said they found no evidence that people were paid for the posts, adding the work was probably part of the employees' job responsibilities. Fifty Cent Party is a derogatory term since it implies people are bought off cheaply. About half of the positive messages appear on government websites, and the rest are injected into the 80 billion social media posts that enter China's Internet. That means one of every 178 social media posts on China's micro blogs is made up by the government, the researchers said. The sites affected include those run by Tencent Holdings Ltd., Sina Corp. and Baidu Inc.

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  1. I'd join the "Fifty Cent Party" by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 2

    Too lazy to RTFA, but a "Fifty Cent" party sounds like a good time.

    >> China Fakes 488 Million Social Media Posts a Year To Deceive Its Citizens

    Hmm...that seems low. Here in the US, I'll bet we're at least over a billion on this statistic.
    e.g., http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/may/18/ap-perpetuates-tale-benghazi-attack-caused-anti-is/

    1. Re:I'd join the "Fifty Cent Party" by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      Sounds like a good name for a band, or a rapper.

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    2. Re: I'd join the "Fifty Cent Party" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He is currently talking with oracle to figure out their patent lawsuit with Google. He plans to sue for copyright infringement on his name :P

  2. Free!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    fortunately in the US we have useful idiots that make the same types of postings free of charge!

    1. Re:Free!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      Like you. Thanks for serving the country.

  3. Always trying to one-up the US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Facebook gets caught adding fake stories to its feeds. Not to be outdone, China lets it leak that they're doing the same thing, but a few thousand times as much of it.

    Show offs.

    1. Re:Always trying to one-up the US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They're doing it much more efficiently too. Things that people post most about in the US- food, and cats. In China they are combined in one picture!

  4. only 488M? by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    slackers. less than a billion followers, too.

  5. All lies! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Our glorious country and it's beloved leaders would never do such a thing. Please report to a nearby office for re-education.

    1. Re:All lies! by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      P.S.: I haven't gotten my money for this week, party dear, you still owe me for 3,000 posts. No hurry, just wanted to make sure you know I serve you well!

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  6. Nuclear? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Same as the pro-nuclear crowd here. I'd really like to know how much they are paid.

    1. Re:Nuclear? by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 2

      I do it for free.

    2. Re:Nuclear? by halivar · · Score: 1

      I think mdsolar forgot to log in.

    3. Re:Nuclear? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I have a degree in nuclear physics. Why would I need to get paid for commenting on nuclear?

  7. Oh, the irony... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Fifty Cent Party is a derogatory term since it implies people are bought off cheaply.

    And to think there are people in the world willing to do this for no money at all! Imagine being paid, even if it is 50c, for something that you would likely already do, anyway.

    1. Re:Oh, the irony... by snemiro · · Score: 1

      In India women are daily paid 5 us$ to collect the 1st big sack of tea leaves and us$ 2 for any extra sack (Munnar). In a cold and wet weather.

    2. Re:Oh, the irony... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And to think there are people in the world willing to do this for no money at all! Imagine being paid, even if it is 50c, for something that you would likely already do, anyway.

      This could be the blueprint to bringing Universal Basic Income to people who don't want it. "Make work" is bad, but propa-- er I mean -- education is good.

      "I made $400 this month posting 'global warming is a lie!' all over Facebook, to help teach those Jesus-hating abortionist gun-siezing libral gay-marriers. Now I can afford to move to higher ground!"

  8. I, for one, welcome our new 50 Cent Party overlord by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if they'd pay me two bits for my opinion, they can have the other half

  9. Irony... by Archtech · · Score: 1

    I can't help finding it slightly ironic that this academic study was apparently funded by the US federal government.

    "Our thanks to... DARPA (contract W31P4Q-13-C-0055/983-3) and the National Science Foundation (grant 1500086) for research support".

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    1. Re:Irony... by gtall · · Score: 2

      DARPA doesn't tell you how to conduct you research, it either funds you or does not. In this case, DARPA was willing to fund a study that either supported or debunked a claim about their bureaucracy polluting social media. The authors were quite up front about what they were studying in the abstract of their paper.

    2. Re:Irony... by Archtech · · Score: 1

      DARPA doesn't tell you how to conduct you research, it either funds you or does not.

      Yeah - just like Monsanto.

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  10. 50cents/post sounds low but it beats going outside by JoeyRox · · Score: 1

    Where you would literally choke on the government's propaganda, ie the horribly polluted air.

  11. Meanwhile in the USA... by wardrich86 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    488 million accounts are being faked to help spread doom, fear, and other bad news over stupid, menial things like which bathroom people should use, and why unisex bathrooms are the worst idea in the history of the world.

    1. Re:Meanwhile in the USA... by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm very sure the US is NO DIFFERENT.

      we all suspect that various social media sites (this one included) are invaded by paid shills to slant the discussion in the direction that their funders wish.

      the US is definitely not above this. what's different is that its not blatant and official; but that does not mean it does not exist.

      lets also remember that over the last 20 years, the media has been bought by the government in all practical terms. when wa the last time you saw a hardball question thrown to a candidate by the mainstream 'news' ? when a story about privacy or terrorism is breaking, does the news side with the gov or the people?

      corporations are also 'people' now and they pay shills to tip the story balance in their favor via commentors.

      this should be taught in schools; that we are bombarded by info at all directions but that most of it, sadly, is propaganda and you have to be suspicious of everything you hear and see since, well, so many agendas are out there and news isn't news anymore, its paid PR spin.

      at least in china, they know this. in the US, many of us still think that news is real. many of us still think wrestling on TV is real, too (sigh).

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    2. Re:Meanwhile in the USA... by wardrich86 · · Score: 3, Informative

      You're right. After I made my silly bathroom post, I remembered reading about Hillary Clinton having her own Propaganda machine hitting sites like Reddit to try to convince people that she's not a bought-out liar.

    3. Re:Meanwhile in the USA... by rickb928 · · Score: 2

      The differences being that the Chinese government is expecting their campaign to be 0. effective and 1. meaningful.

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    4. Re:Meanwhile in the USA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm very sure the US is NO DIFFERENT.

      And you're very WRONG. The scale of the posts in China is much, much larger. Like comparing a molehill to a mountain. That, combined with the governments ability to wantonly delete any comments or websites that aren't "government approved", makes a huge difference compared to government and corporate activities in the Western world. Knowledge of this actually isn't that well known among the general Chinese population and you can sure that Chinese language versions of this story won't be available in the mainland. There is a minority group that has extensive international travel and speaks English, but even so they aren't nearly political enough to even broach the discussion. It's also ridiculous to suggest that Slashdot matters enough for anyone to waste effort on "slanting discussions." Not to mention the fact that remarks outside the Slashdot group-think are often labeled as shills out of pure spite.

    5. Re:Meanwhile in the USA... by gurps_npc · · Score: 2

      Yes of course. Which is why any mention of Ferguson is wiped from the internet the way any mention of Tiananmen square is.

      And why in the US, politicans routinely vanish for weeks, and no one dares ask if they had a heart attack.

      And why in the US, reporters refuse to accuse a Secretary of State of having committed crimes, out of fear they will be arrested and charged.

      And why in the US, people that are not established, long standing, loyal members of a political party have zero chance of leading the country.

      Oh wait, NONE OF THOSE ARE TRUE. Just as none of the wacko nightmares that haunt your paranoid mind are true.

      There is a real difference between the US where people try to influence public opinion and sometimes pass convoluted laws to help out the state and a Tyranny where public opinion is locked in by state run media and all laws are directly made for the benefit of the state

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    6. Re:Meanwhile in the USA... by gtall · · Score: 1

      The question isn't whether members of the public are doing it, the question was whether any arm of government was doing it. If any arm of the U.S. government were to do it and it were discovered, there'd be no end to controversy and probably law suits.

    7. Re:Meanwhile in the USA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm very sure the US is NO DIFFERENT.

      we all suspect that various social media sites (this one included) are invaded by paid shills to slant the discussion in the direction that their funders wish.

      the US is definitely not above this. what's different is that its not blatant and official; but that does not mean it does not exist.

      lets also remember that over the last 20 years, the media has been bought by the government in all practical terms. when wa the last time you saw a hardball question thrown to a candidate by the mainstream 'news' ? when a story about privacy or terrorism is breaking, does the news side with the gov or the people?

      corporations are also 'people' now and they pay shills to tip the story balance in their favor via commentors.

      this should be taught in schools; that we are bombarded by info at all directions but that most of it, sadly, is propaganda and you have to be suspicious of everything you hear and see since, well, so many agendas are out there and news isn't news anymore, its paid PR spin.

      at least in china, they know this. in the US, many of us still think that news is real. many of us still think wrestling on TV is real, too (sigh).

      Interesting how a story about China turns into a condemnation of the USA.

      PS. I'm not American.

    8. Re:Meanwhile in the USA... by axewolf · · Score: 1

      Uh...wow...what exactly is going on with you? We have a real casualty of institutionalization here.
      How is it that you know any of this garbage you claim?

      It's also ridiculous to suggest that Slashdot matters enough for anyone to waste effort on "slanting discussions."

      This is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.
      SLASHDOT EXISTS TO CREATE "SLANTED DISCUSSIONS".
      Obviously it's worth the effort to some one to present information in a particular way otherwise this site would not exist.

      And anyway, do you not believe in AI or something? Even if some matters are not worth sending a human to muddle up, an AI could be deployed at a fraction of the cost to have at least some effect. And the potential for that effect grows with every day.

    9. Re:Meanwhile in the USA... by axewolf · · Score: 1

      Before you reply, check to make sure you read what I actually wrote rather than what you assume an idiot would write

      But this effort turned out to be a waste, since the two are identical in this case

    10. Re:Meanwhile in the USA... by axewolf · · Score: 1

      How can you say something so completely stupid after seeing the public reaction to the unveiling of total surveillance?

    11. Re:Meanwhile in the USA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      when wa the last time you saw a hardball question thrown to a candidate by the mainstream 'news' ?

      It wasn't outright hostile, but CNN's Democratic primary debate began with the following questions from Anderson Cooper:

      Secretary Clinton, I want to start with you. Plenty of politicians evolve on issues, but even some Democrats believe you change your positions based on political expediency.

      You were against same-sex marriage. Now you're for it. You defended President Obama's immigration policies. Now you say they're too harsh. You supported his trade deal dozen of times. You even called it the "gold standard". Now, suddenly, last week, you're against it.

      Will you say anything to get elected?

      Senator Sanders. A Gallup poll says half the country would not put a socialist in the White House. You call yourself a democratic socialist. How can any kind of socialist win a general election in the United States?

      That's certainly harder ball than I'm given to expect from the press these days. Not that it seems to have represented a turning point, but there are sparks of real journalism out there.

    12. Re:Meanwhile in the USA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How can the government "buy" media? The government is the people.

      You're looking for some other explanation. Follow the money..

    13. Re:Meanwhile in the USA... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Thanks to Snowden we know for a fact that GCHQ, a sub-division of the NSA, does in fact do a lot of manipulation of social media. In fact they mention Slashdot by name.

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    14. Re:Meanwhile in the USA... by cyberchondriac · · Score: 2

      Every discussion on slashdot that is based on negative coverage regarding any nation ALWAYS devolves into a US comparison and bashfest. It's like Godwin's Law, only I'm not sure what it's called. Slashdot's Law?

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    15. Re:Meanwhile in the USA... by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      There is no reaction because there is no total surveillance.

      Now go to bed and don't worry your pretty little mind about it. There are Top Men in charge.

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    16. Re:Meanwhile in the USA... by axewolf · · Score: 1

      yes I suppose humor is the best if not the only way to draw attention to this issue and make people care

    17. Re:Meanwhile in the USA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The difference is that the Chinese government finds anyone who makes any noise about their campaigns and puts them in prison or a work camp for a very long time.

    18. Re:Meanwhile in the USA... by micahraleigh · · Score: 1

      Exhibit A: Robert Siegel ... paid by US taxpayers to advocate for The Party on NPR's All Things Considered.

      Exhibit B: The National Endowment for the Arts ... paid for by US taxpayers to advocate for electing Barack Obama.

      Exhibit C: The entire NPR network for sacking DEMOCRAT anchors who were not liberal enough (Juan Williams).

      Seriously ... give federal revenues a haircut. Waste, waste, corruption, and more waste.

    19. Re:Meanwhile in the USA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm very sure the US is NO DIFFERENT.

      It's good to see that your keyboard is, in fact, capable of creating capital letters.

      Now, are you up to the challenge of using them where they're supposed to be used, like at the beginning of sentences? I'm referring to the entirety of the rest of your post, or on proper nouns like "China".

      If you are a developer and yet you can't keep that straight, I'd hate to use anything you managed to get through a compiler.

    20. Re:Meanwhile in the USA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is it that you know any of this garbage you claim?

      You're doing some nasty trolling on this story, but I'll bite. I know what I'm talking about because I've lived in China for over 10 years. I also have family, both native and foreign, here and abroad. I know more about China and Chinese people than you'll ever know, no matter how much cable news and wikipedia articles you ingest. Now go back to listening to Alex Jones.

    21. Re:Meanwhile in the USA... by s.petry · · Score: 2

      You just explained your own lack of objectivity, you didn't explain their lack of the same. You are claiming that being force fed cyanide kills you, he is claiming that arsenic in low doses will kill you over time. In both cases you are being poisoned and in both cases you die. You seem to want to deny the poisoning is occurring, or claiming that if it's not cyanide it does not matter.

      Pointing out what should be obvious, convincing people to drink water instead of arsenic laced juice is a good thing. You attacking people trying to do that, is a bad thing.

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    22. Re:Meanwhile in the USA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Congratulations, you just earned 50 cents

    23. Re:Meanwhile in the USA... by s.petry · · Score: 1

      Interesting how a story about China turns into a condemnation of the USA.

      PS. I'm not American.

      You misread that post. That was a proactive denial of wrong doing, not a condemnation. Read it again.

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    24. Re:Meanwhile in the USA... by djinn6 · · Score: 0

      No, the difference is that the Chinese know they're being lied to, and the Americans don't. I always hear people say Fox news is 90% lies and misinformation, but then they turn around and tell me how impartial NPR is.

  12. Now we need the same for the C-USA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    We need now the same kind of study to verify how many paid drones do so on the corporate states of america. I don't doubt the number of government-sponsored posts is very low in the USA, but the corporate propaganda drive there should never be underestimated...

    1. Re:Now we need the same for the C-USA by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 1

      I'm confused about your distinction between government and corporations.

    2. Re:Now we need the same for the C-USA by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      "the corporate propaganda drive "

      You refer to the Worldwide News Media.

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    3. Re:Now we need the same for the C-USA by Sique · · Score: 1

      Corporation don't even try to convince you that you have a right to elect their board of directors. They name the price for the priviledge to vote and call it "price per share".

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    4. Re:Now we need the same for the C-USA by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      There still is. Corporations have to buy politicians who will then create laws.

      Only Trump can cut out the middle man! Vote Trump!

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  13. Maybe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What if all of those positive posts are actually genuine, the Chinese people love their life and leaders, and the negative spin is just how America deceives its people?

  14. Re:50cents/post sounds low but it beats going outs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    50 cents/ post sounds low ?

    I'd take that HERE even with a good job. Sounds like easy money.

  15. Whats worse, them or the Putin / Russia shills? by oic0 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Seems on english speaking sites I run in to far more Putin shills.

    1. Re:Whats worse, them or the Putin / Russia shills? by Ulfilas2000 · · Score: 1

      How much do you suppose Putin's people are paid? What's half a ruble?

    2. Re:Whats worse, them or the Putin / Russia shills? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Half a ruble is 2-3 pieces of ammo for Awtomat Kalaschnikowa.

      Now keep working comrade or you get paid!

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    3. Re:Whats worse, them or the Putin / Russia shills? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, Putin does this a lot on the English-speaking internet.

      The big difference is, the Chinese only do it domestically. They don't greatly care what's said about them outside China. Putin, on the other hand, has so big an ego that it fills the whole world, and gets pricked by criticism anywhere in any language.

  16. Just another day at the office... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    2+2=5

    1. Re:Just another day at the office... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Careful there, people have been executed for smaller errors in their bookkeeping. Embezzlement is a capital offense in China!

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  17. Suprise!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow! What a surprise!!! All the Chinese do is lie, cheat, steal, etc. all in the name of Communism and in the name of looking good. Do they even have their own inventions anymore?? Remember those computer graphics footprint fireworks from the Olympics. Yeah...those weren't real even though they claimed to be. And after visiting the Bird's Nest in Beijing just a year after the Olympics, that place is now a dump.

  18. The sad part by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The sad part is that if you asked around (in China), you would find that a large percentage, if not the majority, of Chinese people actually "support" these forms of oppression. THAT is the power of indoctrination. When you spend your entire life knowing nothing but authoritarianism and oppression, and being told constantly that it's for your benefit, you will have a very difficult time imagining the alternative. It's similar to how a life-long prisoner, upon being set free, finds that he just can't function properly outside of prison. The authoritarianism is actually comforting to them, and that's exactly how the rulers would have it. The only people who dare to imagine a better society are the radicals, and we all know what happens to radicals in China.

    1. Re:The sad part by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      recurse/
      The sad part is that you replied to that post. /recurse

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    2. Re:The sad part by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >> The only people who dare to imagine a better society are the radicals, and we all know what happens to radicals in China.

      And back here in the US, those of us who dare to imagine a better society are mostly ignored and then arrogantly told that our preferred candidate should "do the right thing" (endorse the status quo) when we try to use our existing democratic process to advance our agenda. Sounds like becoming a radical might be the smarter course of action... :)

    3. Re:The sad part by GLMDesigns · · Score: 1, Insightful

      not to mention the progressives who are anti-individual freedom and pro-nanny state.

      Freedom of your own body (abortion) but don't have freedom to decide whether or not to wear seat belts.

      Yah. only watchers of "ox" news are this dumb.

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    4. Re:The sad part by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As AC, that's your only choice, unless you want your post to fall into a black hole. If I had posted it top-level then I wouldn't be answering you right now, because you never would have seen it.

    5. Re:The sad part by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And that's the two-bits from the right-wing echo chamber

      Now go love up your guns and drive around without a seat belt, hopefully you will eliminate yourself before polluting the gene pool

    6. Re:The sad part by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      Vs the conservatives, who support freedom to own a gun but want the government policing the media to stop people saying dirty words?

      "Freedom" is a concept so abstract that it's impossible to even agree on a definition.

    7. Re:The sad part by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look, found a shill!

    8. Re:The sad part by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1

      not to mention the progressives who are anti-individual freedom and pro-nanny state.Freedom of your own body (abortion) but don't have freedom to decide whether or not to wear seat belts.

      Vs the conservatives, who support freedom to own a gun but want the government policing the media to stop people saying dirty words?

      Have you considered that maybe both of you are right?

      "Freedom" is a concept so abstract that it's impossible to even agree on a definition.

      Actually, it's very simple: the absence of necessity, coercion, or constraint in choice or action.

      Freedom is what liberals & conservatives are against. They may allow you some token freedoms, but usually with ulterior motives. Conservatives tout free market principles then bail out banks that are "too big to fail," because they know where their kickbacks come from. Liberals say they are "pro-choice" because they're cool with women doing what they want with their bodies, UNLESS the woman wants to smoke cigarettes/meth/whatever or eat food with trans fats or GMOs. I think the real concern for them though is population control.

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    9. Re:The sad part by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      I didn't disagree with the poster above. My intended point was the symmetry: Liberals and conservatives, and most political factions, agree that freedom is a good thing... they just want to make a few exceptions. The exact extent of these exceptions varies greatly. All sides insist that their restrictions are absolutely necessary for a healthy and peaceful society, and the other sides are oppressive tyrants who will take your freedom away for their own ends.

    10. Re:The sad part by Solandri · · Score: 1

      Radicalization is the problem. The two-party system effectively splits the voting population in half, maximizing the influence of radicals on both ends of the political spectrum. This disenfranchises the bulk of voters in the center, who end up dissatisfied with the choice of candidates. It's why the two candidates with probably the highest disapproval ratings are going to be the nominees - because most of that disapproval is from the half of voters who aren't voting in that party's primary. (Trump is a bit of an oddball - his views on specific issues varies widely from very conservative to liberal, which puts his mean score in the moderate category. But statistically he has a huge standard deviation, making his mean score less reliable.)

      If, hypothetically, the primary system were changed so that everyone could vote in every party's primaries, Sanders, Clinton, Trump, and Cruz would've had no chance because they're too radical. Instead, moderates like Christie, Paul, and Bloomberg - people whose political views align more closely with the average of all Americans instead of just those in one party - would win.

    11. Re:The sad part by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it makes sense in the case of smoking/meth etc because hospitals are required by law to help you. If they weren't then yeah ingest whatever you want and pay the medicals bills out of your own pocket.

    12. Re:The sad part by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not so much...

      In America, the right wing radicalized heavily, while the left wing drifted to the center

      It is the recalcitrant republican party which is entirely responsible for the deep right in our society and the Dems have been working to keep the country together

      Of course you would not believe that if you listen to right-wing media, but that is because they are a lot of lying bags of shit

    13. Re:The sad part by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OR they could simply be Democrats. How else could explain the bias in our own public schools, colleges, entertainment, etc?

    14. Re:The sad part by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait a moment, Jerry Garcia - We ALL know the faults in promising "FREE" this and "FREE" that. They always fail when it comes to government, Mr. Lenin. AND when they do, the government goes on a pubic campaign to say they are working. But they are not.

    15. Re:The sad part by GLMDesigns · · Score: 1

      where did I mention guns?

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    16. Re:The sad part by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Conservatives tout free market principles then bail out banks that are "too big to fail,"

      Did you just call Obama conservative?

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    17. Re:The sad part by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, sure, the Democratic party doesn't have any radicals. Keep dreaming about that one.

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  19. Re: Whats worse, them or the Putin / Russia shills by dunkelfalke · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Or maybe your worldview is so skewed, you call everyone who disagrees with you a shill.

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  20. Re:50cents/post sounds low but it beats going outs by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

    It is not 0.50 USD. It is 0.50 RMB, or about 0.08 USD.

  21. How about the US? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder how much they post. Oh but you'll write me off as a conspiracy theorist when I know it happens -quite a lot actually.

  22. If we understood Chinese... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...we could read what percentage of comments on our social media are government propaganda.

  23. In the west, that's called TV by snemiro · · Score: 1

    At least money goes to the people and not to the managers.

  24. Russian Trolls! by pipingguy · · Score: 1

    Russian Trolls!

  25. Works out to by MitchDev · · Score: 1

    Over 1.33 million posts a day
    Almost 55,500 an hour
    Just over 9000 per minute....

    That's one way to bump up employment

    1. Re:Works out to by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      And their form of job creation for the unemployables doesn't even clog the airports!

      We should copy... no wait, doesn't work for us here. You have to be literate for that kind of job.

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    2. Re:Works out to by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      And Americans trust government so little, that the fake posts don;t really affect much...

    3. Re:Works out to by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      It would just have to come from Joe Average from Backwater, Missouri instead of Agent Brown from D.C.

      And yeah, of course a lot of them would be accused of being government shills. So what, people are accused of that already. If every company that I allegedly have a contract with would pay me a buck a month I could buy Apple.

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  26. Re:50cents/post sounds low but it beats going outs by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    China provides you with all the smog you could possible want and you still complain? They have NO smog at all in the western world, or at the very least they can only get it in really huge cities, and even then not always. In wonderful China you can now even have it in the countryside more often than not, and the Chairman and his people are toiling hard day and night to ensure that you will never have to exist without!

    Also, dear party, I haven't been paid for over two weeks... I mean, I had the pleasure of enjoying participating in the glorious spreading of our enlightened truth for two weeks but I'd like to get some ramen again, if you could possibly find it in your endlessly big heart to fuckin' pay me?

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  27. Re:50cents/post sounds low but it beats going outs by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    So the approximately 50 posts I shit every day into /. are worth about 4 bucks?

    Hmm... Is there any kind of requirement how long or informative the posts have to be?

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  28. When You Point Your Finger by zenlessyank · · Score: 1

    3 point back at you.

  29. someone's just taken PR 101 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Private businesses do this all the time. It stands to reason that a state capitalist country would employ people to do this too.

  30. Very low number! by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 1

    That does seem low. Only 488 million?? In a country with eighty billion social posts a year?
    I would have guessed a much higher number.

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    1. Re:Very low number! by RoknrolZombie · · Score: 1

      They have thousands of years of momentum.

    2. Re:Very low number! by Pseudonymous+Powers · · Score: 2

      That does seem low. Only 488 million?? In a country with eighty billion social posts a year? I would have guessed a much higher number.

      If your numbers are correct, that means that only about 0.61% of posts, about 1 in every 165, are government astroturfers. That really does seem low. I almost feel like those may be better odds than you get on Slashdot.

      Still, I mean, most social media posts nowadays are just pictures of food. That throws off the statistics, because the Chinese government probably doesn't feel the need to fake many of those. North Korea is another story. I heard that 19 out of the 26 posts on North Korean social media last year were pictures of food faked by the government..

  31. That's a lot of work by Jawnn · · Score: 1

    Here in the USA, we just pay Fox News to do all that for us.

  32. Re: Watching children have sex by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Over 9000? Huh...

  33. Shills gonna shill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, basically it's the Chinese version of the Jewish Internet Defense Force or Hillary Clinton's Correct the Record shills.

    Or, how about these shadowy forces controlling online conversations in the US?

    Not to mention the Pentagon, Shell Oil, and all the other shills. I don't mean to pick on the USA, everyone employs shills. Hell Germany goes above and beyond and has Merkel trying to silence anti-immigration political views on Facebook.

    protip: If you use social media you are either being deceived or are a deceiver.

  34. A slight change by s.petry · · Score: 1

    Certain people have purchased media, and at the same time placed puppets into the Government. This is why no matter who we have in office the shit continues. We don't hear about horrible policies and are drown in "interest" stories (AKA Propaganda).

    This is not new, it started back in at least the 60s. Start to track the point where "Conspiracy" synonymous with "false narrative" and "Conspiracy Theorist" was used as an ad hominem against certain types of investigative reporters covering specific types of stories.

    Not that the public at large was ever crazy intelligent, but in the last 50 years we have gone from mostly rational to a place where in general people can not tell fact from fantasy. "Feelings" today trump facts in the majority of our discussions in Political Philosophy and Sociology.

    I read long ago that there are two possible ways to view the world. One, pushed by media and politicians, is that everything is accidental and results which could never be predicted. The other, which is ignored by media and politicians, is that most things are intentional with results which are predicted with reasonable accuracy. When you consider that the people in politics are the highest educated among society, with literally teams of highly educated people working as advisers and think tanks, which do you find the more likely world view?

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  35. Re: Whats worse, them or the Putin / Russia shills by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In order to make that determination, you'd need to characterize the sites GP is talking about. There are so many websites out there, in the intertubes..

  36. Why Do They Care? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It would be understandable if their correct factual errors and have the responsibility of stating their position and particular connection to the issue, as well always writing only facts outside of politics of any party in the Chinese closet multiparty system. Any bias would be punishable by disciplinary action, of course. Wait, did they claim they have only a single party in China? Those deluded fools!

  37. What about in America? by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

    Americans fake billions of social media posts every day to deceive other Americans.

    1. Re:What about in America? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am beginning to deduce that the only tenable conclusion is, in fact, that everyone is completely full of shit.

  38. 60-80% of social media is bots and bull shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    70-80% of social media is bots and bull shit.
    Take a random large account in Twitter for start, 70-80% of followers are inactive and and large % of "active" are fake or bots.

  39. Let me be the first to say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... that NO one in the west does this ever for any reason. It'd be crazy, governments using information to keep their citizens nice and cohesive.

    Oh, by the way, what is Hollywood accounting and why does no one go to prison for it ever?

  40. The smarter course of action is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    not to radicalize, but to emigrate.

    When the shit hits the fan, do you really want to be in the largest nuke target in the world?

    captcha was 'bedrock', as in all that would be left standing.

  41. Money out of Politics! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There used to be stronger enforcement of laws requiring "Paid For by Group" in political solicitations. This needs to be a priority, including First Amendment rights applied to people to people - NOT CORPORATIONS. We need MORE transparency laws when it comes to money in politics. Keep corporations/government out of the publics private communication.

  42. How many 50 cent posts on this thread ? by balbeir · · Score: 1

    So the question is, how many posts on this thread will be from the 50 cent party ?

  43. So, are they ahead or behind USA forum sliding? by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 1

    Every forum or google search I've done on anything controversial in the last few years is rather obviously populated by people trying to bias opinions or spread obviously false (but oh, so *happy-talk*) information.

    Mentally, you filter it out. Many folks don't, I'm sure.

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  44. Re: Whats worse, them or the Putin / Russia shills by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

    I don't. I know people like him. They even call me a Putin shill just because I disagree with their opinion even though I've already been on Slashdot when Putin was a small fish yet.

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  45. I wonder how many fake posts the US gov posts now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not just China influencing its citizens opinions. The US intimidates the media and various activists around the country on a routine bassos. Here is just one story that come close to home for me. So to continue with this the US government routinely attacks political activists it doesn't like. While there is civil disobedience going on where I live in Keene, New Hampshire for example and in New Hampshire in general the government has aimed its attention at a few people in particular in there attempt to disrupt activities here and undermine the Free State Project as a whole.

    At first they used 'inspection' law on one very large and vocal activist whom has brought many people to New Hampshire. The 'inspection' law here is in itself a crock and in violation if not in practice than in spirit of the constitution. Basically it goes like this. If you refuse inspectors in New Hampshire (entrance to your home) they'll put an evaluation for the home (for tax purposes) at some ridicules amount. One guy here had his shack set at a million dollars for refusing entrance to inspectors (they can't legally enter because the government needs a warrant). But there are other types of inspection that apparently the fire marshall for example can do.

    Now in the case of Ian Freeman the government went in and got a warrant [not an evaluation of the home for taxes in this case]. That's not proper procedure though. They should have sent a letter first requesting access, but none-the-less this is in part how we know he's being targeted here. The tactics were scare tactics and little more [at that time]. They wanted to put the fear of government into Ian Freeman. They wanted him to know they can do whatever they want with impunity. Ian Freeman runs a liberty-oriented radio show that often attacks the state for criminal and wrongful acts it carries out on its citizens. The government doesn't like it. The crime they got him on? Not having a working smoke alarm (battery needed replaced I think).

    They've done other stuff in there efforts to target him and undermine the larger Free State Project movement. There is a hate group in Keene called Stop Free Keene. This group or members thereof are posting libel about Ian Freeman in the down town area. Free Keene is an activist site that Ian Freeman runs. They started doing this a few months back. The posters claim Ian Freeman promotes child molestation and implies he is a danger to the towns children. They twisted a story about how he was molested into him promoting child molestation. A few weeks ago the FBI raided his home, business, and the towns activist center which he runs on the basis that someone accessed that Tor child porn site where the * FBI was distributing child porn *. Well, Ian Freeman used his radio show to attack the FBI on the hypocrisy of it all. Ian didn't promote child porn or child molestation. He *attacked* the government for doing the exact thing they were arresting others for. And guess what happens two weeks later after he attacked them for this? They raid the activist center, his home, and business, and they take all *our* stuff. It wasn't just Ian's stuff. But anybody who lived near him. People who rented from him, etc. They shut down Ian's business, they took a number of activists computers, and so on. All based on the supposed testimony from an FBI agent that someone supposedly accessed a Tor child porn site from the internet connection of which hundreds of people have access to [and was in Ian's name]. The same site where the FBI was itself distributing child porn.

    No- they're attacking Ian Freeman the same way they attacked Julian Assange. The FBI has zero evidence anybody accessed child porn and there were no arrests at the time of the raid either. It's a complete smear campaign and one intended to disrupt the activists and movement. It looks bad for the movement so the Free State Project disassociated with Ian Freeman and his business. See where this is going? The goal is to disrupt. You don't have to be committing a crime even. Now there are p

  46. Time to wake up Rip by s.petry · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure how you slept through the last several years but you did. Snowden dumped the complete playbook and we found it to be the US Government inside of everything all the time. More than half of the countries we ally with in Europe have shit canned US services and ban new projects from landing on US servers. Not because "Ebil IBM and MS" but the more "EBIL UNCLE SAM".

    Several whistle blowers have been jailed, reporters have been jailed and threatened, and lawsuits have been filed by numerous parties. Stonewalls have been erected all over Washington DC, and countless very high ranking politicians spend extended durations of time doing nothing but denying what they did was "really" wrong.

    Since you have slept through the last few years, you probably also missed the US having black sites, covering up wrongful death in the middle east, etc....etc.. Maybe you should try living out of the cave for a while. You can't be an incarnation of a different sockpuppet 'cf" trying ot re-write history can you? Nah, you have to be crazy from all the batshit.

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  47. We have that too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're called Democrats. Go look at the comments section of any political story on nbcnews.com, and you'll find dozens to hundreds of identical pro-Democrat comments. Then read the story which got almost no attention in the media about the Clinton SuperPAC spending millions to hire astroturfers. I'm sure the other side does it too, but as of yet I can't find any evidence. The Craigslist political jobs section is 100% Liberal here in Chicago.

  48. Going broke! by martinfb · · Score: 1

    How can Tencent Holdings afford to pay fifty cents a post?

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  49. Re:The broken US system in comparison by Contract+Gypsy · · Score: 0

    China puts out 488 million posts. In the US the DNC only spent $1M to pay spammers to put out pro Hillary lies. That being said, I'm sure the RNC will do the same or worse. The real sad part is that the citizens believe the crap must be true... once again voting for the one that will do the least damage.

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  50. Dominant minority by NewYork · · Score: 1

    Expel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... from your country

  51. More usefully... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A more useful article would be a contrast comparison between China's cointelpro and other Western countries.

    China is not the only country who does this.