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Millennials Are Less Likely To Be Having Sex Than Young Adults 30 Years Ago, Says Survey (theguardian.com)
An anonymous reader writes: A survey of nearly 27,000 people suggests that millennials are less likely to be having sex than younger adults were 30 years ago. The Guardian reports: "The research, conducted in the U.S., found that the percentage of young adults aged between 20 and 24 who reported having no sexual partner after the age of 18 increased from 6% among those born in the 1960s, to 15% of young adults born in the 1990s. Published in the journal Archives of Sexual Behavior by researchers from three U.S. universities, the study involved the analysis of data collected through the nationwide General Social Survey that has asked U.S. adults about their sexual behavior almost every year since 1989. The results reveal that young adults aged between 20 and 24 and born in the 1990s were more than twice as likely to report that they had had no sexual partners since the age of 18 than young adults of the same age born in the 1960s. Just over 15% of the 90s-born group reported that they had not had sex since they turned 18, compared to almost 12% of those born in the 1970s or 1980s. For those born in the 60s the figure was just over 6%. The shift [towards increasing abstinence seen among all adults since the 1960s] was greater for white individuals, those who had not gone to university, and those who attended religious services. The trend was also greater for women than for men: the authors found that 2.3% of women born in the 1960s are sexually inactive, compared to 5.4% of those born in the 1990s. That, the authors suggest, could in part be down to a rise in so-called virginity pledges as well as concerns about social stigma. As for why this is the case, the authors of the study suggest it could have something to do with the fact that young people are living at home for longer, thus "stifling their sex life," and playing video games and consuming media in their free time. In addition, easy access to pornography may also be playing a role. A co-author of the research, Ryne Sherman, also suggests another factor could be that the way in which people interpret questions asked in the survey has changed. "Young people in the 1950s, when they were asked if you had a sexual partner, [might] say 'oh oral sex, that counts,' whereas young people today might say 'oh no that doesn't count because I didn't actually have sexual intercourse,'" he said.
each generation repeats the failings or Inadequacy of the last.
Millennials are fugly and self-absorbed and couldn't learn how to give some lip service to a woman if they googled it all their lives.
They are living at home with mommy and they are staring into their smartphone screens all the time. Rather difficult to engage in sex under these conditions.
Obviously, they want to preserve their virginity and manage to do so despite all the smut and filth they find on the Intertubes daily.
Read. My. Lips.
They.
Have.
No.
Money.
Forget your bullshit socio-economic-policital-technobabble explanations. This isn't about cell-phones, or aids, or sex-ed, or work-life balances, or aids, or gender studies, or social media, or tv shows, or Donald fucking Trump!
It's the economy stupid.
Younger Millenials are fucked. They have less jobs, less stable jobs, less income, more debt, higher rents, etc, etc,... and most importantly less opportunity to buy a home. They cannot afford one, they will not be given a loan, they cannot hope to get the cash together to get on with their lives and pay for the dating scene. It's the economy stupid.
This happened in Japan. It's happenning here. The sexy-time rate, house-buying rate, and baby popping rate are directly proportional to the opportunity and stability on offer to young people in society. Millenials have been fucked over to pay for Boomer's plummeting pensions and guess what, the goose has stopped laying the egg.
It's the economy stupid.
Because they're set to earn less than their predecessors.
Sex carries some costs.
And who on earth wants to hang around a moaning feminist? I'll just look at porn thanks and save my money.
I recognize it's going to be a selfie-fest and constant stream of updates to various social networks. I'll be fast out of spite.
This might explain why I am still a virgin @21 (despite doing my best) Or maybe I just spend too much time on ./ ?
:)
Yeah, I am posting as AC, and this might also tell something about me
I dare say that /. users have been leading the charge on this front for more years than that!
I'm not sure the "that doesn't count as sexual relations" thing is the best explanation if this is a recent trend. I'd have expected it to show up in responses long before now, not just those who actively grew up after the infamous Clinton episode.
Compared to the 1960's? Sure. But that effect should have begun becoming noticeable pretty early in the 2000's, when teens old enough to be paying attention (somewhat) to culture and politics would have started becoming sexually active.
Hire a Linux system administrator, systems engineer,
So much sex with kids these days that they don't have time for stupid surveys
Not on my lawn, you young whippersnappers!
Don't forget the damage they've caused (and still do) and how men can be put in prison because a woman lies that he raped her (even if he's a kissless virgin).
Drug use, alcohol use, smoking is in decline, not just in the USA but in most developed nations. Violent crime of many kinds is also on the decline in developed nations too. In some categories these stats are quite dramatic (homicide and drug use in particular have halved since all time highs in 80s/90s, wow).
In fact I am very genuinely concerned that kids these days don't party as hard as we did. In fact it's been years since I've had to tell any to get off my lawn!
After logging in slashdot still does not take you back to the page you were on. It's been that way for 20 years.
it isn't because they don't have money, sex is cheap, it is convincing the girl to have sex that can get expensive.
It is because they have more things to do, the freedom to do them, and options.
50 years ago the average age a couple married and started popping out kids was 20.
30 Years ago the average age a couple married and started popping out kids was 22.
The last time I looked it was 28 and rising quickly.
18 may start your adult life, but you need 4 years of college to earn more than $50k a year for the rest of your life.(yes some exceptions are available but not that many)
Then you get to 22 and you need to start working.
50 years ago women were not even allowed to buy a car or home without a male cosigner. (Equal credit act wasn't passed until 1974)
We gave women freedom, they no longer need to be bound fiscally, physically,or socially to a man to survive. This is the natural result. Why people can't understand it or find it shocking proves just how stupid they are.
i thought once I was found, but it was only a dream.
"Young people in the 1950s, when they were asked if you had a sexual partner, [might] say 'oh oral sex, that counts,' whereas young people today might say 'oh no that doesn't count because I didn't actually have sexual intercourse,'" he said.
After all, the honourable residents of the White House never lie, do they?
One of the less discussed aspects of the 'whole millenials are poor' debate is 'Where did the grandparents' money go?' Specifically we need to recognise that the property does descend through families, and that grandparents should be giving it to the younger generation if their kids are well established. It's not the whole answer, but will reduce the pain for some - as long as the grandparents think this through.
Millennials: no, millennials parents: yes, millennials grandparents: no, .........
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It's not like we have a population shortage and need more people breeding.
I think AIDS ruined it for everyone.
The results reveal that young adults aged between 20 and 24 and born in the 1990s were more than twice as likely to report that they had had no sexual partners since the age of 18 than young adults of the same age born in the 1960s.
Well, they obviously lying about their age, so chances are they are less than truthful about their sex lives as well.
....even less sex than I was having as a young adult 30 years ago ? !!!!
The summary ignores the most obvious finding: Far fewer men are having sex than women. If the virginity rate is 15% in the 90's-born population as a whole and 5% among 90's-born women, the then rate among 90's-born men must be about 25%.
It also means that a significant fraction of the men are having multiple partners. The women may also be having multiple partners but the data doesn't necessarily demonstrate that.
"He took a duck in the face at 250 knots." -- William Gibson, Pattern Recognition
Porn ruins your ability to have normal romantic and sexual relationships, because it destroys attainable expectations. Porn is poison for the mind.
"We receive as friendly that which agrees with, we resist with dislike that which opposes us" - Faraday
I'd wager that this is due to the increase in obesity over the same time period. More obesity makes people less desirable and less likely to find a sexual partner. Not that it isn't possible, but just not as likely.
Millennial's grandparents are blowing their money on land yachts, Harleys, and liven large. GO to coastal Florida during the late fall through winter and early spring. You'll see them on their $40K Harleys, hanging out at expensive bars and eateries, and living wonderfully at their second homes.
Of course, they feel entitled and believe that their grand kids can have it if they just work "hard". But they worked and lived during the best economic times the US has had and probably will ever will have all due to a fluke of history.
They had a stock market that had average returns between 8-10%, were able to buy homes and didn't have to worry about off-shoring, globalization, H1-bs or automation. They lived in a time where getting a college degree in anything meant there was a job for you because back then, 1 in maybe ten people got college degrees - there were plenty of opportunities for folks without degrees.
Things have changed and their grandparents don't get it. I'm a Gen-Xer and seeing what millenials go through, I had it easier than they did. My parents had it even easier. Their parents - my grandparents - had it rough.
30 years ago, the median age at marriage was 4 years younger than it is now. 24.7 for men and 22 for women.
Everyone seems to have their explanation, so I'll give mine.
It is certainly a combination of factors, but I think mainly is that people are marrying later, a LOT later.
For centuries people got married as soon as possible, an unmarried 20 year old woman was probably something rare, now a big segment of the population is marrying for the first time in their 30's, because education takes longer, economic power of middle and lower class has degraded greatly, so having enough money to get out of your parent house takes longer, and if you get someone, it is socially acceptable now to have sex before marriage (specially for women, for whom it was a much bigger taboo), and also less pressure from the parents themselves to get their kids married.
And I bet the survey considers someone having a sexual partner if they are married, even if they don't have sex for long periods of time.
It's not money but oversocialization and overpopulation.
In the 1960s John B. Calhoun conducted extensive experiments with mice, examining changes in their social behavior in an Utopian world.
Calhoun gave the mice clean housing and unlimited access to food.
After day 600, the social breakdown continued and the population declined toward extinction. During this period females ceased to reproduce. Their male counterparts withdrew completely, never engaging in courtship or fighting. They ate, drank, slept, and groomed themselves – all solitary pursuits. Sleek, healthy coats and an absence of scars characterized these males. They were dubbed "the beautiful ones." Breeding never resumed and behavior patterns were permanently changed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
A documentary on the subject:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
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There's also a controversial opinion piece that partly aligns with Calhoun's scientific findings.
Theodore Kaczynski's manifest "Industrial society and its future".
http://editions-hache.com/essa...
1. So many people are over weight these days. Fat is unattractive therefore fat people will not have a lot of sex.
2. Rape hysteria and the associated laws act as a disincentive.
3. Men are being taught to be wimps, single mothers can't teach men how to be desirable.
4. Free, easily available online porn and video games offer men huge outlets for their energy that require no risk, all reward, no matter how fleeting.
5. Technology addiction via cell phone and "social" media are killing real-life social skills, increasing awkwardness around the opposite sex.
6. The economy is still crap, and dating/mating/having kids is expensive.
7. The globalist propaganda says global warming and overpopulation is rampant, discouraging people from having children.
8. Slutty women and their STD's, pregnancy scares and personal drama make a man think twice about chasing tail.
The bottom line? Dating is a buyer's market and the buyers are women. Men will need to work even harder on self-improvement instead of wallowing in the status quo if he wants to attract the opposite sex.
Maybe they just feel less pressure to be sexually active.
I very much doubt it. I don't think teen hormones have magically diminished. Mostly it is that the kids are monitored FAR more heavily than we were 30 years ago. I happen to be of the age that I was a teen 30 years ago. Parents gave us far more freedom that most kids get today. My parents were very involved but by today's standards they would be considered free range parents. (a term I absolutely can't stand)
Then again, it might also be due to bad things that the authors considered, like not being able to move out of their parents homes
Not being able or not being forced to move out? I'm sure there is some of each but let's be frank, a lot of kids are rather coddled these days. Remember we're in the "everyone gets a trophy" generation. I coach several sports teams and have for about 20 years and frankly a lot of the kids are a bit on the soft side courtesy of their parents. I'm generalizing of course but the difference from even 15 years ago is pretty noticeable.
We must be careful to avoid ending up like Japan, with a rapidly falling population.
Not really a problem. The US still has a lot of immigrants. Japan, not so much. A lot of people get bent out of shape over immigration but lots of people wanting to move to a location just means that there is good opportunity there. What should worry people is if the immigrants stop wanting to come. That means economic opportunity has disappeared.
As a late member of the boomer generation I was able to get a job as a computer programmer that 2 years in enabled me to buy an apartment at 3 times that salary.
25 years on I still live in the apartment. It's worth four times what I paid for it. If I was in the same job, I'd be on about twice what I was then. Therefore I wouldn't have a hope of getting on the property ladder, and wouldn't benefit from inflation to ensure that the real cost of my mortgage payments faded away. And that's before issues of exploding university debt etc.
It's therefore true that boomers like me have benefited from an opportunity that has now gone to gain prosperity, and so it's the next generation that should get the leg up from the grandparents, not the boomers who've already benefited.
It was at the beginning of 1967, first as a limited test market rollout in the Bay Area. So many people thought it was a big improvement over the cell division we had practiced up t that time that by April the press was already proclaiming a "summer of love." By fall, it had spread nationwide, and my generation became legend.
So apparently today's young people are going back to cell division. Who could have known?
Who the hell is having oral sex but skipping the real deal?
a lack of commonality between men and women of the millenial generation, as well as the generation before/after it (IE less millenials dating Gen-Xers or the post millenial crowd.)
I just got over a messy hookup this past weekend. A girl I met online who spent over a week chatting with me daily to bi-daily (for longer email responses) pestered me on a sunday to have sexy talk with her. Long story short, she was just really horny, convinces me to come to her place to hook up. Upon hooking up work related stuff comes up (which she'd blown off to hook up) resulting in me leaving early. So a week passes with only two interactions from her. That weekend she says she's going somewhere. Having asked me to phone her when I got home from her place, I thought it acceptable to ask her to do the same when she got back from her night out. No reply. So a couple days go by. I text her just to ask if she's doing alright and if her week is okay. Nada. Couple more days and I send her a message asking her to let me know what our status is and to at least clearly break up if that was her intention (girls and guys both appear to prefer passive-aggressive 'just don't talk to them until they go away' breakups, rather than clearly letting people know so they can move their shit on faster. Y'know instead of being the asshole playing 3+ different people to see which one works out, assuming they don't get caught double, triple, or quintuple timing.) So finally that saturday, exactly a week since I last heard from her I go and drop off some things at her house I'd borrowed for my sooner than expected trip back home. Turns out she's home. Not wanting to leave them to get dirty on her porch and be immature by just calling as I drove away, I knock. She opens the door, doesn't look too hot, but I figure it was just a long week at work. Hand her the items, answer her questions, then leave. Get where I am going and remember I left my cellphone turned off for the drive. Turn it back on to a bunch of texts cussing me out and how she never wants to hear from me again. Turns out she was in the hospital for a couple days. She made a big point of proving that she was *AFTER* saying she never wanted to talk to/see me again and that I was immature, clingy, and some other things. Normal to crazy in one misunderstanding. And this happens both ways, guys and girls.
The point of my story is: People don't relate to each other any more, especially members of the same generation (she was 2 months older than me), and prefer to throw away relationships over the slightest misunderstandings (and unstated boundary issues!) without being willing to try and resolve them before 'throwing out the trash.'
I know quite a few people of both my and the younger generation who are single for this exact reason. While the financial and living situations affect some of them, the majority simply cannot find partners they relate to, whether because of differences in sexual actvity, social activities, education, time available to spend together, etc. I don't have a good description of the difference between the older generation's relationship success/failures and the current ones, but these past few generations are definitely not providing the same foundation for the future that past generations did. Whether that will be a blessing or a curse is something only time will tell.
I did not have sexual relations with that woman
It depends upon what the meaning of the word 'is' is.
I feel their pain. Even rape is being redefined. Best to play it safe.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
I started my first sexual relationship at 15 and have had a few LTRs into my 30s.
And how are your brother and your sisters?
Do you enjoy your retirement years?
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...they are simply more sincere :-)
Rome taught me patience and assiduous application to detail. Virtues which temper the boldness of great, general views.
The summary takes a lot of wild stabs in the dark, but I think they're missing two very obvious factors: sex education and disease.
Earliler generations had relatively little access to sex ed compared to people under 30 (at least on average) and educated people tend to make more balanced choices, delay having sex, be more aware about dieases.
Plus people born in the 80s and 90s would have been hit by a wave of reports about AIDS. People having sex in the 60s, 70s and early 80s didn't have to deal with AIDS and, up until the past few decades, didn't know much about it. Knowing having sex with more partners can kill you will make a lot of people think twice before hoping into bed.
The previous generation defied their elders by having sex. Millennials are doing the opposite thing now — but for the same reasons...
Maybe, humanity was smarter about it in the earlier centuries — when the unmentionables weren't mentioned (as often) in the news and entertainment channels.
There is so much of it now, it must be turning some people off...
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
It has made not dealing with women's bullshit that much easier in life. Everyone sucks up to me with fine scotch and steak dinners to babysit. I have the freedom to travel, own nice things, and work pays handsomely for my flexibility.
Not really, we haven't made any fucking progress into anti-aging research, but we sure have crystal-clear video of the unpleasantness around us.
You enjoying dealing with hairy hostile women?
Too many bad choices. Apparently, people choose none of the above.
How is this a bad thing? Fewer pregnant teens, unwed young mothers, etc.
Why is a study about homosexual and bisexual behaviour actually being on the increase (eventual source of the 'story',) that doesn't mention abstinence in it's heading or abstract being hijacked into a news story about something the study wasn't exploring?
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Which idiot modded the parent as troll? I found it an interesting and insightful comment.
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I'm 29, 30 in October.
I've not had sex, despite being in an area where the average person had sex around 14-15 region.
Why?
I had more fun doing other stuff.
Sex is good if you have a loving connection, or a fetish to share with someone, ain't going to deny that at all.
But I simply don't really care all that much about sex.
I'd rather be programming, drawing, making websites, making electronics stuff, little videogames, playing videogames, playing board games and hanging out with friends every weekend.
Equally, masturbation, if the urge ever popped up, is better than any other person could give you because you know 100% what you want whereas anyone else, no matter how long they have been with you, can reach that percentage.
If the chance came up? Wouldn't turn it down. But I won't actively pursue it, or a relationship. I don't care for having a child either.
I'd be in a companionship at the most, just people living together but not really in a relationship. (I see lots of people doing that over relationships these days)
I don't hate people, or children, or some bitter mad permavirgin writing on his blogs about how woman are cunts or something like that.
I'd rather create than procreate. That's all.
From what I have seen, the whole "push for a family" idea has lost a lot of steam over the past few decades, especially because nobody has the damn money to buy houses or get loans for houses. Thanks Banking System!
This is where you see things like the Right To Buy scheme in the UK trying to help people get on the housing ladder.
For me, I'd rather buy a trailer and build my own 8x15/20, 13 foot high home than buy a permanent home.
Being able to travel and live in areas for a while is far more attractive. (I've designed plenty of tiny home spaces myself, very space efficient and logical designs that aren't hyper-cramped like some I have seen in actual apartments in cities for 5 times the price!)
I've seen this sort of stuff become more popular in recent decades as well, the traveller generation. (mind you, it isn't just younger types, also a lot of older types in the 40+ region too, so not millennial only)
A common one is people doing Uni and having a gap year or 2 to travel the world before they finally commit to finishing off and then going in to the job market. Sometimes some people even settle in a region they travel to if they find something they love. (Japan is a regular one for that, and Australia, damn weeaboos and cuntboos)
Oh well, on to wizardhood, 3 months remain!
Maybe they won't repopulate more just like em, and they will die off! Bunch of self absorbed a-holes that think the world revolves around them.
I've not found any of my expressions of masculinity have been criminalized. Perhaps you're thinking about expressions of extreme douchbaggery instead. If to you "being a man" means "being criminally assholey" then your idea of what a man is is fucked up.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
At least partially.
Lucky you. In my youth guys and girls looked the same, just that the girls had shorter hair...
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
I get all the arguments about declining buying power, wealth disparity and our media/online culture turning everybody into aloof nerds with no time for sex and the successful social interaction that is required for that, and it could very well be that that all factors into this development.
However, I don't think that that is the sole problem. In Germany I observe the women of my generation and a decade or so younger caught up in demands and expectations that can only be called patently absurd. And I think it is very much the same in the USA, as in certain dynamics and structures in society these two countries are very similar.
There are a lot of factors playing into this, such as women not yet completely atuned to having equal rights vis-a-vis their male peers and not yet having fully adjusted their expectations and their true responsibilities and 'duties' that come with it. Such as carefully balancing resource acquisition, mating and active survivaly strategies - by evolutionary and thus old-testatment definition a classic "mans job".
There are studies that women are actually more unhappy today than they were back in the sixties, when they basically were second-class citizens. This could be due to the fact that despite all the media hype about women wanting to lead corporations and earn the big bucks, the vast majority of women would maybe rather have a guy doing all that annoying external survival stuff and rather sit at home with the tribe nurturing little humans.
I very much think this is also due to some choice-effect coming up with equal rights and an abundance of goods needed for pure survival. For the first time in this planets history more people are obese than hungry or starving and a woman doesn't need a set of leader-warshipping willing-to-die-for-the-honor men close by to survive the other tribe warriors or the sabretooth lions roaming the area. She is free to choose when and if she takes a man and doesn't even need one to reproduce.
That a modern society that succsessfully has decoupled sex from reproduction and moves everyting concerning mating and reproduction squarely into the domain of conscious decision shouldn't be too surprised about the development described in TFA.
I expect this development to get worse and only change once society has moved into some sort of utopian mating-and-reproduction ritual or mechanism that tries to mitigate the effects of humanity moving further away from their mammal originins.
Then again, statistical analysis of humanities gene-pool show that throughout the history of mankind, 4 out of 5 men never got to reproduce whereas 4 out of 5 women did - which very much fits the fact that women take 9 months to build a human but men roughly 20 minutes to squirt one into a woman. In evolutionary terms a male individual is measurably less worth than a woman, which these numbers, odly enough, reflect again.
It's complicated, but I defenitely observe first-worlds women, equal rights and a choice effect with women playing into this. Especially after just having visited a classic macho-culture the last two weeks and observing mens and womens behaviour there. I was in moscow and my fairly recent new sweetheart is a russian lady. A difference of night and day in some aspects of socialisation vis-a-vis German or US women. No doubt. I wouldn't say it's all good that way, but until society fully grows up about these things I'd rather go 'classic couple' than have no stable relationship at all.
Bottom line concerning this aspect of the problem:
Women in the west need to emanzipate further and need to notice what work comes with being more independant. I'm sure us men can help by keeping a wide berth around women who aren't quite there yet and who's demands and expectations reflect that.
My 2 cents.
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
then your idea of what a man is is fucked up.
Yes, because anyone disagreeing with SJW idea of how a man must behave must be fucked up. After all, you all like your men barefoot and paying alimony.
Here are some specific examples of natural masculinity expressions that are being attacked in today's society:
1. Rough play and fighting (even is sports)
2. Risk-taking of any kind
3. Hunting (especially with guns)
4. Loyalty to your male friends
5. Tinkering and do-it-yourself culture
6. Self-reliance and individualism
I am 51. I was a virgin until I was 41. And that relationship that devirginized me, was the only relationship I've ever had that involved sex. Oh sure, I've made use of "services" since then, and I've had other GFs, but none that involved sex. In fact, I've now been dating the same girl for 2 years, and we've never had sex.
And it's like I'm some kind of hideous, obese monster. I'm very normal, polite to a fault, and patient. Perhaps too patient and too polite and women seem to key in on this and essentially "friendzone" me.
I used to get a little angry and frustrated about this, but now I pretty much do not care. It's not that important and frankly, now I'm getting too old to really give a damn anymore.I've gotten pretty much what I've wanted to out of life for the most part and I'm satisfied with where I am.
But yeah, I sometimes regret not getting involved with the ladies much earlier in life. But I played the cards I was dealt as well as I could. And that's that. As for the current generation having less sex than gen-X'ers, I stand as a proud example that this study can stick it where the sun don't shine. It's bullshit.
If telephones are outlawed, then only outlaws will have telephones.
Yeah well, no one ever got laid in the back of an iPhone.
Have you ever fallen asleep at the keybhanusdiog?
It's getting harder to find normal women aren't indoctrinated to hate men that aren't already married.
This is definitely the cause, and shouldn't be surprising.
If the general population is getting less sexually attractive, it follows that the general population will have less sex. It's completely logical and rational.
Sure, there is the odd person here or there that is actually attracted to obesity. Good for them because they probably feel the world is getting better and better looking as the decades pass. But, these people are in the minority and therefore wouldn't have an impact on the general trend of sex rates going down rather than up.
1. Rough play and fighting (even is sports)
Are you talking about rough play, sports or actually fighting. They're not the same. I can't think I've ever seen anyone[*] claim that playing rugger makes you evil. Starting fights after closing time however, you can keep that.
2. Risk-taking of any kind
that's just stupid and you're making it up.
3. Hunting (especially with guns)
We don't have much of a hunting culture here unless you're a toff and even then it's with dogs, not guns.
4. Loyalty to your male friends
Again, that's just stupid and you're making it up.
5. Tinkering and do-it-yourself culture
Third time, you're just making shit up. No one's revoked my SJW license for owning tools and actually using them.
6. Self-reliance and individualism
Are you talking about actual self reliance, or going your own way on ot the internet where you grouse about women and SJW?
[*]The internet is big. If you can find one lone nutcase, that doesn't make it a trend.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
Not being able to. Properly insanely expensive, as is renting. Unemployment is high among the young.
Property isn't insanely expensive by historical standards unless you live in a place like NYC or San Francisco. You can get a nice modest house near where I live for $90-150K US which is entirely reasonable. Renting isn't outrageous either adjusted for inflation outside of those same expensive cities. Unemployment is high but it's not like most of them cannot find jobs. While one doesn't want to paint with too broad a brush, a lot of this sounds like excuses to me.
Consider that you need two above average incomes to buy a small house in many parts of the UK. My parents were able to afford one on a single graduate salary.
I can't speak to the situation in the UK but in most of the US you don't need a particularly high income to afford a house or apartment. For perspective living in the midwest a modest 1500sqft house would cost maybe $100-200K. Near NYC it would cost 4X or more that amount for the same place. Young people with jobs can afford to live across most of the US with reasonable comfort even on a modest salary. Not luxury living but nothing worse than previous generations dealt with.
The biggest problem I can see is the amount of student debt many of our young people are burdened with.
Just looking at time frames with the internet gaining wide spread popularity, faster bandwidth, search engines, and all that - porn became much more accessible in the late 90's. Just thinking, that kinda cuts down on the need for a guy somewhat to need a girl if he has a hand and much easier instant gratification. There are studies that show this as a result and effect of the porn industry. Not judging right or wrong - just stating that a few percentage points could definitely be caused by this especially noting the time frames of the studies.
Is falling population really a problem short term?
Yes. Sometimes very much so. Falling populations tend to cause a downward economic cycle that is hard to recover from.
Fewer people means fewer resources needed for infrastructure, should lead to lower unemployment (less people chasing the same jobs), more room for people instead of having everyone crammed together like sardines.
If the infrastructure is already built it means fewer people have to cover the fixed costs of that infrastructure. That's one of the problems a place like Detroit has - the city was built for a population more than double what it currently has and yet the infrastructure to support that larger population didn't go away and still needs to be paid for. It takes a long time to shrink infrastructure. Infrastructure grows and shrinks in large step functions whereas population grows and shrinks in much smaller increments. If you build a large water treatment plant, and the population shrinks rapidly you can't demolish it and build a new one easily.
Fewer people also means that there are fewer qualified people to do any given task so those that remain become more expensive. It makes it harder for companies to grow and create more jobs. Fewer people means that there is a smaller base of workers to support those who don't work which is a particular problem with an aging population like in Japan. For stuff like social security the taxes you pay go to support retirees so the more retirees there are in relation to the number of active workers means that each active worker has to pay more per-capita to support them.
Sounds like a huge quality of life boost....
Quite the opposite I'm afraid in most cases.
From the Pew Research Center, slightly tangential, but relevant:
http://www.pewforum.org/2015/0...
The Future of World Religions: Estimated Change in Population Size 2010-2050:
Muslims: 73%
Christians: 35%
Hindus: 34%
Jews: 16%
Folks Religions: 11%
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Buddhists: -0.3%
Full report here: http://www.pewforum.org/2015/0...
An Indian-American Hindu committed to non-violent thought/speech/action alarmed by the global explosion of radical Islam
by the thousands. Dems need votes, and they've demoralized an entire generation by rigging the election against Bernie. FUCK YOU DNC and HILLARY!!!!
Yeah, do you remember the old days when effeminate men knew their place and women weren't remotely interested in banging them?
The Mick
Poison 80s style
Zowie's Dad
How is this news for nerds? You have lost your way Slashdot.
This is something you read in a grocery store checkout line.
The average waistband of a Millennial is way wider than previous generations. There's a reason the kids aren't having sex -- they're not attractive to the opposite sex, no matter what Tess and her Healthy At Every Size whales screech.
Yes, money, time, easy access to porn are all factors. But we can't ignore the fact that the average Millennial these days is just too damned obese to get laid.
Rather difficult to engage in sex under these conditions.
Challenge accepted.
We need more people like this on the planet.
Even the Japanese have the right idea.
This should come as no surprise to anyone who knows anything about millennials.
Most millennials can barely look each other in the eye, have a conversation, or put down their phone long enough to take a piss, how could they possibly manage to meet someone and interact long enough to have sex?
Seriously, this doesn't surprise me one bit. I think a lot of millennials are social misfits, incapable of real-world interaction except under the most dire of circumstances. Ordering a pizza over the phone seems to push many of them to their social-interactivity limits.
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
Essentially it's a perfect storm of a lot of things (in no particular order) that are sometimes contradictory in nature.
1) Increased man-bashing. I mean, men aren't perfect, but when the women aren't helping you up but kicking you down, it's discouraging. It certainly creates a number of misogynists.
2) Feminism has, on the whole, freed women up from relying on men for financial support. Lesbians can get work, look after themselves, and have a relationship with their girlfriend without having to marry some "yucky" man... so less marriage is necessary.
3) Due to women's independence, this has freed men up from needing to be providers. Women complain that men these days are man-children, and this is the reason. Without a traditional need to care for women, men can do pretty well at extending our so-called "childhood" without having to "grow up" and "be a real man", (as women are mostly happy to define for us, despite not being men themselves). This reduces men's respect for women.
4) Contraception works pretty well. Less shotgun weddings
5) Fear of STDs makes people use contraception. Less shotgun weddings
6) Fear of supporting children in a bad economy makes people use contraception. Less shotgun weddings
7) Fear of divorce in a bad economy with laws that heavily favour women taking lots of money off a man in divorce - heavily discourages marriage.
8) Prostitutes are cheaper than getting married, with less hassle (Paid to leave!)
9) Given that contraception has been pushed pretty heavily by society for a great number of reasons, there are less shotgun weddings, and more careful men
10) deterioration of religious abstinence, and greater acceptance of single motherhood means less weddings, and what marriages remain - more chance for divorce to be acceptable
11) Easier access to porn. Porn will never nag you, or leave you.
12) Due to many of the factors listed above - men end up having less respect for women. As a result, services like Tinder flourish where the process of falling in love is reduced to a mechanical cold-call sales strategy whose sole aim is for the implementer to sleep with as many women as possible with the minimum money spent and time "wasted" on crank callers and non-buyers - completely deleting things like emotions from the equation because they get in the way of a solid strategy to game the market.
13) More men understand the Pareto principle on the dating world: 20% of the men are having sex with 80% of the women. Hence the quaint notion of there being a man for every woman is now commonly known to be a lot of garbage, whereas before it went on with everybody believing that there was someone for everyone. Men are realizing that if they are not in that 20%, getting married is just a one-way ticket to being cheated on. So why do it?
14) The poor sexual market and legal risks of the West has pushed a lot of men out where they have found happier hunting grounds in other parts of the world - typically places where the women actually like being feminine, who like men a lot, and are easy to get along with and who really enjoy sex without the ridiculous outlaying of capital.
15) Millenials are unable to handle rejection, or being offended, or being told that they aren't special/needed/wanted,... and those who aren't having success with women are probably giving up, and not getting rejected enough to cut through all the time-wasters to get to the perfect matches.
16) Increasingly poor economy meaning that a woman's hypergamous instincts are unable to be realized due to lack of "eligible" men. (and we all know who the eligible are)
17) Men just don't know how to turn women on, and had no instruction from their father -- because he is increasingly absent in single mother households.
18) Marriage is "for life", but with our increased life expectancy... that life is now too damn long to be stuck in marriage!
19) Men have greater access to literature like "the Anatomy of Female power" and other male-centric material on gender politics, and support groups have popped up via the internet. As a result, men have discovered that marriage is not very liberating.
I think that just about covers it. I may be missing a few points though.....
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More losers. Pokemon hurrrr durrrr.
They are all too busy answering surveys on their iDevices to have sex.
Maybe if those Pokemon characters would hold still after they've been caught, millennials could get some.
Have gnu, will travel.
Millennials are using as much as we did 30 years ago! We've also got a lot worse STDs than we had 30 years ago, so being more cautious about is sex a rational response to the current environment.
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
Based on the population numbers, I'd say you've got it backwards... Muslims aren't blowing enough! ;-)
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
5. Tinkering and do-it-yourself culture??? Quite the opposite, there is a huge trend in encouraging the "maker" movement, people building things for themselves. In many ways it is a reaction to both mass production and to the runaway protectionism that has gone on for decades, i.e. "No, we can't let kids play around with tools, it's too dangerous! Here, have a Barbie and a Hot Wheels to play with!" The other 5 are wrong as well, but I'll leave it to others to repudiate those unsubstantiated claims.
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
The mouse utopia experiment:
http://io9.gizmodo.com/how-rats-turned-their-private-paradise-into-a-terrifyin-1687584457
"When the population started declining the beautiful ones were spared from violence and death, but had completely lost touch with social behaviors, including having sex or caring for their young."
This may be where the human race is heading, and it's entirely a function of overcrowding.
In college, I remember a survey that claimed college men were having sex three times as often as college women.
We all got a chuckle out of this, since it was obvious (to us) that the results were wrong.
Either the men were bragging the numbers up, or the women were demuring the numbers down, probably both.
But I'm sure this time all survey respondents were perfectly truthful.~
Or more relevant to the Slashdot crowd:
1. Playing computer games - sexist.
2. Action movies - sexist unless they star women, though that means you're still a pig for gawking at the female eye-candy.
3. Porn - sexist, unless it's porn aimed at women/gay men in which case it's super-empowering.
4. 'Lad's Mags' - sexist again.
5. Computer programming for fun - hurr, hurrr, loser.
6. Science fiction fandom - neckbeard!!!!
7. Comics - Man-child.
8. Reading intellectual books - haha, all your friends are out getting laid. Lol.
In my day both men and women had bell bottoms,hiking boots, and long hair, so you had to ask them to turn around so that you could tell whether they were male or female... and sometimes even then you couldn't tell!
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
They are only dressed "glam", physically they were quite masculine. Effeminate men are adult men that weigh 120 pounds, have sunken chests and bird legs and twiggy arms, and if they ever attempt to have an erection they'd faint from the sheer effort of pumping an extra 25mL of blood down there.
The Future of World Religions: Estimated Change in Population Size 2010-2050:
Muslims: 73%
Christians: 35%
Hindus: 34%
Jews: 16%
Folks Religions: 11%
Newsflash: Old-Testament Reveletion Cults that put women squarely in the child-bearing slaves of reproduction department have more children. Film at 11.
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
I volunteer to help the Millenials out with this problem. Please call 555-724-1234 for a Good Time!
The belief that we should always be moving is undoubtedly one of the reasons why our society is so messed up; we don't build communities any more.
For the record I've done a remarkable range of things whilst based in this humble apartment - though I will admit the carpet does need replacing... ;)
From the very first post on here in response to the article, you had someone on a rant about the economy hurting Millennials so much, they simply can't afford to have sex anymore.
Just based on history, that's a hugely flawed assumption because it's most often the very poor who wind up having a lot of sex and consequently, the most kids. When you don't have the money to find other ways to keep entertained or busy, sex is often the "trusty fallback" to escape the world for a little while. And even if you wind up having a kid, at least the kid is seen a valuable possession or gift, in a world where you don't have much of value.
What's important is that you've found a way to be judgmental no matter what.
True, but there's several factors playing against that nowadays: there's considerable sniping at lower-income parents from politicians and the wealthier part of the population. People's attitude is basically 'We have birth control now, there's no excuse to get pregnant'. We don't have a large cohesive working class these days with their own levels of social pride and good lower income parents still have to put up with endless bitching about how they're sponging off hard-working CEOs and the like.
Secondly I'd wager a lot of the single Milennials are quite well-educated and are probably trying to avoid the abject poverty they'd wind up in if they had lots of kids.
Third: half or more than half of said educated youngsters are women and again they're not going to get pregnant by any random guy if they can avoid it.
Fourth: Meeting people can be quite expensive these days. Sure you can be one of 'those' guys who chats up random women at the park or in the supermarket, but there's a thin line between 'cheeky charmer' and 'fucking weirdo who won't leave me alone'. Otherwise to meet the lasses you'll be going on dates (club, concert, restaurant) which costs $$$. If you're a male who has a lack of social graces then you'll be going on a lot of dates before finding a special lady friend.
Fifth: For both males and females many of the desirable physical traits require considerable time and money to achieve (i.e. fine teeth, good clothes, a gym body etc.) Course most people aren't quite as shallow as we'd think & aren't bothered about a lack of perfection, but the messages of attractive=wealthy is hammered home daily via social media and TV. This psychologically affects many young people who believe the shit they're being fed and are wondering why they don't look like Captain America after six weeks in the gym.
Porn.
The 'maker' movement is pure toffery. It already existed, it was called 'garage workshops'. The 'maker' movement took the DIY culture out of those icky spaces and into clean ones where there aren't any hairy men using swear words and possibly drinking beer or even smoking a joint. It wouldn't be a safe space, you see. The microaggressions would be flowing freely, and we can't have that. So fuck the male-dominated tinkering and DIY culture.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
Vaginas of today smell much worse than the vaginas of 30 years ago
"Millennials Are Less Likely To Be Having Sex with each other than Young Adults 30 Years Ago, Says Survey"
TFTFY (wankers!)
funny :-
We are beginning to go down the same road as Japan has. It's the economy, stupid.
Thirty years ago AIDS was on the news scaring the shit out of kids. Abstinence was recommended. Apparently, the scary news about getting AIDS and advice about abstinence did the job.
It's the fat epidemic. The number of girls not having sex are over weight. Over weight girls are sexually unactractive and don't get any. That's it. Sorry about the reason being politically incorrect.
In the 1960's it was possible for most Middle Class people to have a child in their early 20's and go on to live a successful life. Today it's almost mandatory for Middle Class people to attend college to have any hope for good paying jobs with the ability to be promoted, and good luck being able to raise a kid at the same time when you're paying today's ridiculously high tuition rates. The easiest way to avoid this little complication is to wait until you're done with school to even have sex at all. Sad but unfortunately true for people with average means.
Ironically, for people who have no way to attend a good college today, they might as well have children because there is little or no hope for any kind of economic advancement anyway.
The 'maker' movement took the DIY culture out of those icky spaces and into clean ones where there aren't any hairy men using swear words and possibly drinking beer
See, now I know you're making shit up to support your position. The London Hackspace even sometimes brews its own beer. I, myself have had a few beers, some brewed locally, some from the nearby corner shop while there. It's very much not uncommon to see people there having a beer in the evening after a good hack session.
But go ahead and invent reasons why men are oppressed. Don't let actual real ife impinge.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
The linked abstract on Springer is about same-sex experiences and in fact claims there's an increase in them. Does anyone have a link to the actual study?
I'm 31, and based in Melbourne, originally from Adelaide YMMV. I grew up in a smaller town. I noticed that many of the things which people are bitter about appeared to be true. But the reality is more complicated. When I was living in Adelaide, it was very hard to meet women and even harder to date them. Men outnumbered women by a large margin. After moving to Melbourne a few years ago I very quickly noticed that the gender ration has dramatically shifted. A lot of women had left Adelaide to move to Melbourne and I was finding myself surrounded by women, often younger single women. The social conditioning of the society is playing a role. In Adelaide the environment was very fishbowl-like and there was a really strong conservative vibe to the place. In Melbourne it's very socialist/egalitarian. People don't care if you're rich or poor. I have a car and I rent an apartment. Not a fancy apartment. Two bedroom and I spend about 1/3rd of my monthly salary on rent. This seemed to be enough to get interest. I don't think being wealthy is a criteria. I think it's more about the social circumstances and the economic circumstances that the couple find themselves in. Would you risk a pregnancy if you couldn't afford to raise a child? Probably not. The economy is crap at the moment. In Australia housing is ludicrous. $1 million is rapidly becoming the norm for house prices in Melbourne and Sydney. This hasn't affected the chances of getting sex, but has definitely changed how having kids and buying property operates. I can see how living at home with your parents to buy a house is going to kill your chances of sex.
I expect a blow by blow account. Carry on!
By "loyalty to your male friends" he means "bros before hoes" expectations. Basically, you was expected to treat your best male friends with respect and put their wishes and interests above wishes and interests of your girlfriend.
It sort of worked until female social status went up and until women being single started to be both socially acceptable and financially feasible. Suddenly not being with these guys started to look much more attractive to girls. Shocking.
Afaik, bros before hoes still exist occasionally - among guys who are richer then those around them and thus attract the kind of girls that want money or those who are desperate for relationship - only those would put up with that treatment.
Then that complain about women being gold diggers, but really the issue is that no other women would put up with that.
a lot of people mad because some dudes finally understood whores is all you really need and they will always be available
Pansy millennials getting drunk AFTER they finish in the machine shop...it's like they want to die with all their limbs attached.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Are you talking about rough play, sports or actually fighting.
Football (American) has been under heavy criticism due to the risk of brain injuries. However, there are schools that have banned tag for a variety of reasons.
We don't have much of a hunting culture here unless you're a toff and even then it's with dogs, not guns.
The US used to. In fact, in many areas, it's actually necessary to keep animal populations in check. Without hunting, the animals would overpopulate and starve. It is well managed by the various DNR agencies within those states. Students used to be able to bring their shotguns and hunting rifles to school since they would go hunting after school and before dinner. Now it just means they are expelled - assuming they aren't charged with a crime as well. Also, most states require you to pass a firearms safety class before you can get a hunting permit, so the students have to know what they are doing.
Reading code is like reading the dictionary - you have to read half of it before you can go back and understand it.
Nothing beats pushing a nice sheet into a bench saw with one hand while holding a beer in the other.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
You chided someone up thread for using fallacies and now all you can come up is "this is stupid" and "you are making this up"? Clearly, you don't get masculinity, but that doesn't mean that any of this is wrong. Maybe talk to your doctor about low testosterone?
Your experience may differ, but I was ragged on for working on my own car. I don't have to, but I do enjoy it and have few classic cars that always require attention.
Actually, I also was chided by outsiders for having multiple sports cars (I race) and a motorcycle (I ride) for being wasteful.
I know you don't see it my way, but I strongly believe masculinity will be gone in Western culture in a generation or so. Even military going that way. This will have very negative effect on boys. Already feminization of learning spaces leads to girls getting better education and outcomes. Some boys will also rebel and go with the worst stereotypes instead of having positive role models.
Because you will only accept private industry building to sell houses, and NO SUCH BUSINESS will build enough housing so that the demand is met and the price drops.
The ONLY way to get housing solved is to build for government rent homes, by government building programs.
The renters at the bottom end will get out of renting and will rent instead from the government, increasing the local government take and increasing the benefits that local government can issue or reduce its burden on citizens. These people area already in receipt of benefits for housing, which was a drain on local government coffers, and will no longer be such. Moreover, the government will have no need of profit or ROI to make this an investment, since it will be used for welfare housing as long as it lasts, not sold for retirement or as a nest egg to pass on to children. Therefore it will be CHEAPER than private renting.
The loss of people renting will mean that homes will be left empty, reduced demand reducing prices in the private market, and the lower end of the market will be eased.
And because the demand will go to the cheaper lower market, the middle market will find some demand reduced by people going for an affordable place. And so on up the chain.
NO business would build enough housing to ease the market, because to do so would be to reduce the expected profit of the venture and lead to no bonuses and shareholder evacuation of this "failing" business. Expecting it to is merely idiocy.
The woman is the one who is the possessor of it, and the man is the one who is taking it, therefore he will have to exchange something for it. Yes, a small percent of the time, she's just gagging for it, but this is highly irregular and usually you have to be a major stud or hugely wealthy for that to work for you.
It's the woman who gets to say no.
And she wants something for saying yes.
This is no more prostitution for the man than it is for the woman, because there are OTHER transactions going on, emotional ones, and they are involved too, but without the exchange of goods or services from the man to the woman, she will pick someone else. His only option to avoid the transaction is rape. Which 99.9% of men won't do.
It includes as "Rape" "Looking upset when refused a sexual encounter", FFS.
And even if it WERE 20%, HOW THE HELL DOES THAT MAKE A RAPE CULTURE??!?!?!?! It only makes it widespread. Far more people are illiterate, but we don't have an illiteracy culture.
No job, no money...thanks to Vampire Capitalism. bigwig executives earn tens of millions each year. Why?
Their salaries/bonuses could be easily halved which would pay for many, many jobs with decent benefits.
$10,000,000 would pay for 133 jobs making $75k in salary/benefits for a year.
How much money does a single person really need?
But as far as the sex? Millennials have zero social skills. They'd rather sit in front of a monitor and fap than engage the real world.
Or, is it the later generation lies about having sex less than the earlier ones? If you believed some of the surveys done in the late 70s; there was an orgy at the disco every weekend. Reality, not so much by a serious margin.
Add in the later generation's propensity to actually make sexual escapades part of social media with the training that if you regret having sex you have been raped. Yeah, I'd expect the numbers to go down as the social repercussions of sexual activity can be socially damning.
It isn't private business as much as it once was. Now it is a community critique holding up points cards for performance.
NRRPT/RCT
Sounds like they have the situation well in hand.
Obviously they did this study exclusively with users of /.
This comment is my opinion and does not represent an official position of Donald Trump or others I do not work for
Football (American) has been under heavy criticism due to the risk of brain injuries.
Well yeah, it is actually causing brain injuries. That's hardly a "criminalization of masculinity" though. There are plenty of options available like rugby or hurling. And they don't feel the need to swaddle players in heaps of padding.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
You chided someone up thread for using fallacies and now all you can come up is "this is stupid" and "you are making this up"?
Er, yes? Making stuff up is a logical fallacy. If someone makes something up, you're not required to argue as if their fantasy world is reality. Merely pointing out that it's made up is sufficient.
Clearly, you don't get masculinity, but that doesn't mean that any of this is wrong.
So, masculinity is making up shit on the internet and then getting annoyed about it?
Maybe talk to your doctor about low testosterone?
The amusing thing is that I don't subscribe to your silly notions of masculinity. Therefore your insults which are designed to cut people with the same insecurities as you have little effect on me.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
Your experience may differ,
Yep, it differs very much.
but I was ragged on for working on my own car. I don't have to, but I do enjoy it and have few classic cars that always require attention.
Sounds like a fine hobby.
Actually, I also was chided by outsiders for having multiple sports cars (I race) and a motorcycle (I ride) for being wasteful.
Sounds like you encounter a lot of douchebags. Ignorant ones too, given the efficiency of motorbikes relative to cars.
I know you don't see it my way, but I strongly believe masculinity will be gone in Western culture in a generation or so.
Does that mean that the traditionally masculine pursuits like getting tanked up on lager watching football then starting fights and trashing the town centre will be gone too?
SJW n. One who posts facts.
They're just too busy eating highly processed sugary food and then spend 4 hours a day trying to not get fatter.
Women are more independent, work and are less dependent on marriage to sustain themselves.
Thus sex (which is mainly controlled by the female) is not a necessity as much as in the past.
SJW alert!!!
Grab the fucker and rough house his ass into risk-taking while hunting, building loyalty, while tinkering his way to self-reliance and individualism.
you sir, are a fucking moron. and the gent prior to you, is absolutely correct. its not your fault you are cunt. You are a SJW.
this is what I tell you stupid fucking cunts. MAN the fuck up.