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France Says Fight Against Messaging Encryption Needs Worldwide Initiative (reuters.com)
An anonymous reader shares a Reuters report: Messaging encryption, widely used by Islamist extremists to plan attacks, needs to be fought at international level, French Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve said on Thursday, and he wants Germany to help him promote a global initiative. He meets his German counterpart, Thomas de Maiziere, on Aug. 23 in Paris and they will discuss a European initiative with a view to launching an international action plan, Cazeneuve said. French intelligence services are struggling to intercept messages from Islamist extremists who increasingly switch from mainstream social media to encrypted messaging services, with Islamic State being a big user of such apps, including Telegram. "Many messages relating to the execution of terror attacks are sent using encryption; it is a central issue in the fight against terrorism," Cazeneuve told reporters after a government meeting on security. "France will make proposals. I have sent a number of them to my Germany colleague," he said.
People will just make their own.
>Messaging encryption, widely used by Islamist extremists to plan attacks
And much more widely used by spouses to talk to their spouses to remind them to pick up milk from the supermarket because the bottle is almost empty.
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Insert bullshit excuse here. This is a call to increase encryption 10x fold. It is none of your business what I say to my wife while I am chatting. I repeat. It is NONE OF YOUR FUCKING business. I won't stop using encryption. I will kick a terrorist in the nuts. You chicken shit fuckers wanna hide in a building and do all your spying from a chair. I have an old pair of wart encrusted balls you can sniff. Germany and France should not be allowed to do anything together.
Let's re-word this a bit.
We know for a fact that most of the Terror attacks were planned "in the clear". Most are at a loss on how to use encryption or have the tools needed to make use of encryption.
Next, everyone using the internet for anything uses encryption, everyone. be it SSL, TLS, SSH, PGP, GPG, whatever.
What France is trying to say (and what the US and Britain as well intend) is to get people riled up over encryption so that they can make it illegal for EVERYONE to use if it doesn't have a "back-door" or "golden-key".
This would cause a complete failure for security / encryption and safety worldwide. Secure communications between traffic-control and air-towers would be subject to attack. Subway and Train communications that control track switching and timing would be vulnerable.
Identity theft would go through the roof, the stock market would crash, dogs and cats living together, mass-hysteria!!
But, then again, that is what the "Terrorists" want. And our governments are rolling over, exposing their soft, bloated underbellies to ISIS.
...that this is about terrorism. FFS we have the best military intelligence in the world, and we can't stop a rag-tag bunch of third-world "militants"? Bull. Shit.
Every time the elites want more control over the populace or want to ban something, they trot out their wholly-owned and operated subsidiary ISIL (or whatever they're called this week, Taliban, Al-Qaeda, etc.) to demonize the freedom du jure and everyone bends over. Banning encryption is not "central to defeating terrorism", banning encryption is "central to defeating personal liberty".
These Reuters/AP/wire reports always read properly when you replace terrorism with liberty or freedom anyway. Liberty must be stopped. Freedom is running rampant. Liberty is at odds with modern society. The actual terrorist acts could be stopped if governments wanted them to stop, but they don't want them to, they want to exacerbate them in the name of stopping freedom.
We must ban all people from meeting in groups without authorized monitoring... they could be plotting evil.
We must ban the use of paper, it leaves no lasting evidence after it's destroyed.
We must monitor everything and everyone, everywhere.
Big brother is the only way to stop terror. It is necessary, it is the only moral thing to do. We must make it a world law, all offenders will be punished.
With these wise and urgently needed social advances..finally the populace will be safe, and under control.
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Hey Hitler,
Why don't you stop wholesale bombing them in their home country so they have no reason to leave?
And shave your mustache.
Although the worldwide initiative I have in mind involves a purging of clueless, imbecilic politicians...
#DeleteChrome
Next time they get attacked i'm not going to even feign caring. I'm back to my original position of "meh, france"
Babies in soup is where its at.
It is just the ever common push by those in power to extend their power and lead us to totalitarian states.
And t is working well - while they can keep peoples minds on the (almost non-existant) left versus right 'battle' we seem to happily ignore this development.
Worked for the Romans, the Nazis, the Stalinists, the Maoists, and its working for plenty more right now.
But dont worry, they wont take away your flavour of the month reality TV, so we are all happy little lemmings, right?
Bullshit. Terrorism is only peripherally related to government's interest in compromising encryption. Governments the world over are terrified of their citizens speaking freely, for whatever noise they make about "Freedom of Speech". It's about controlling the message, which they can't do if people are communicating outside of their control.
They're using terrorism to push this agenda.
Mod me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the dark side will be complete!
We have populace where they think that if you do nothing wrong, then you have nothing to worry about. The trouble is that they are ignorant of the law and don't realize that if a prosecutor were to look closely at anyone's life, they will find something that they are doing that is illegal. The people have waaayyyy too much confidence in authority.
So, there will always be support for these dragnet operations to get the "bad guy" because everyone else thinks that they are the good guy.
We can't solve the real problem!
How will the government persuade the populace to surrender more and more freedoms?
>French Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve I hope he will be fucked in the butt by Putin. Raped and debased
Just make it illegal to encrypt messages and that will stop them cold. No way they would break THAT law.
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This is a government that says tells its people garbage like this:
So keep that in mind. They expect stoic resignation apparently to not just death, but invasion of privacy.
Paris terrorists used burner phones, not encryption, to evade detection
"Everywhere they went, the attackers left behind their throwaway phones."
Glyn Moody (UK) - 3/21/2016, 6:39 AM
New details of the Paris attacks carried out last November reveal that it was the consistent use of prepaid burner phones, not encryption, that helped keep the terrorists off the radar of the intelligence services.
As an article in The New York Times reports: "the three teams in Paris were comparatively disciplined. They used only new phones that they would then discard, including several activated minutes before the attacks, or phones seized from their victims."
The article goes on to give more details of how some phones were used only very briefly in the hours leading up to the attacks. For example: "Security camera footage showed Bilal Hadfi, the youngest of the assailants, as he paced outside the stadium, talking on a cellphone. The phone was activated less than an hour before he detonated his vest." The information come from a 55-page report compiled by the French antiterrorism police for France’s Interior Ministry.
Outside the Bataclan theatre venue, the investigators found a Samsung phone in a dustbin: "It had a Belgian SIM card that had been in use only since the day before the attack. The phone had called just one other number—belonging to an unidentified user in Belgium."
As police pieced together the movements of the attackers, they found yet more burner phones: "Everywhere they went, the attackers left behind their throwaway phones, including in Bobigny, at a villa rented in the name of Ibrahim Abdeslam. When the brigade charged with sweeping the location arrived, it found two unused cellphones still inside their boxes." At another location used by one of the terrorists, the police found dozens of unused burner phones "still in their wrappers."
As The New York Times says, one of the most striking aspects of the phones is that not a single e-mail or online chat message from the attackers was found on them. That seems to be further evidence that they knew such communications were routinely monitored by intelligence agencies. But rather than trying to avoid discovery by using encryption—which would in itself have drawn attention to their accounts—they seem to have stopped using the Internet as a communication channel altogether, and turned to standard cellular network calls on burner phones.
That authorities are only now discovering this fact shows how well the strategy worked.
As Ars has reported, along with other countries the UK government is pushing for ways to circumvent or weaken encryption because it claims strong crypto creates a "safe space" for terrorists. This new information that the Paris attackers did not routinely use encryption, if at all, but turned instead to the tried-and-tested technique of burner phones, undermines the argument that everyone's communications must be weakened in order to tackle terrorism.
The New York Times article suggests that there was some evidence of encryption software being used elsewhere. A witness reported seeing a terrorist with a laptop, and told the investigators that as the computer powered up, "she saw a line of gibberish across the screen: "It was bizarre—he was looking at a bunch of lines, like lines of code. There was no image, no Internet," she said." The New York Times writes: "Her description matches the look of certain encryption software, which ISIS claims to have used during the Paris attacks."
But as many were quick to point out online, the witness probably wasn't looking at some encryption software in action, because such systems show the decrypted message, not the encrypted form. The former Ars Technica editor Julian Sanchez wrote on Twitter: "It's suggestive of a verbose boot. Using encryption looks like 'reading a message' because you decrypt it first."
Until we have stronger evidence to the contrary, it seems likely that encryption played little or no part in the Paris terrorist attacks.
This post originated on Ars Technica UK
We blame terrorism on encryption because we don't want to admit the real problem. The same is often true for gun control, especially recently. Why do people get offended when I say that Islam is evil? Why is this considered bigotry?
Islam isn't a race or an ethnicity. It's a religious belief. Specifically, it's a belief that Allah is the only god, Mohammed is his prophet, and the Qur'an is the literal word of god. We wouldn't call Christianity a race, so why would we act like Islam is a race? A large number of Muslims are either Arabs or Persians, which are two different ethnicities.
Not all religions or beliefs are equal. Would the belief that the Earth is flat be equally as valid as believing that the Earth is round? Is a belief that the moon landings were faked as valid as believing that they really happened? Is it equally as valid to believe that humans aren't causing global warming as it is to believe that humans are causing a lot of the warming? In each case, one belief is obviously right and another is wrong. And then there are religions like Scientology, which is clearly a scheme to profit rather than a sincerely developed belief. Again, it is not to be taken seriously.
While religions are never supported by testing hypotheses, they can still be judged on how they teach believers to act. Islam clearly teaches that non-believers should be given the choice to either convert or die. This is stated in the Qur'an and echoed in present day Islamic teaching. It is also clearly wrong. A significant portion of Muslims genuinely believe they need to kill non-believers. This is not true of Christianity, which teaches to love your neighbor and love your enemy. Even the most perverted forms of Christianity such as the Westboro Baptist Church don't believe in killing people. They are perverted, no doubt, but they stick to offensive speech and claim that their god is punishing people for sins, usually homosexuality. They are perverted, but unlike Islam, they're not killing anyone.
Virtually all Christians are taught that if they committed acts of terror like what is frequently done by Muslims, they would get an instant one way ticket to hell. Islam could discourage terrorism by teaching the same thing, but instead they teach that it results in a trip to heaven where they get 72 virgins. Unlike Christianity, Islam clearly condones violence and terrorism.
Why, then, do we pretend that Christianity and Islam are equally valid and call anyone who objects a bigot? Islam is objectively worse than Christianity. It is a belief system that needs to cease to exist. Some beliefs are so harmful that they need to be eradicated. Islam is at the top of the list.
I imagine a call for banning clueless politicians who are always framing encryption under the terrorism threat agenda would be way more benefitial to the world.
France needs to shut up and mind its business... like dealing with all those crazy ISIS people...
people will laugh their assess off at this anti-encryption mentality. Nothing's gonna happen to it, mark my words.
It's not _those_ terrorists they are worried about. It's the fear that average citizens will band together and collaborate to dismantle their power structure. It's one thing for a few hundred or thousand people to show up to a demonstration, quite another if a large portion of the population were to organize with no easy way to tell who is doing the organizing, where they are doing it from, and what is coming next.
Dumb idea on a local scale is equally if not more dumb on a global scale.
Place something witty here
let ban encryption to all available application.... so they can build one them self
you will be able to monitor everyone except the one you are targeting, how nice is that?
The politicians forgot to save the children from predators that encrypt their messages to send pedo notices out.
Governments worldwide have declared war on privacy. Sorry, Interior Minister Cazeneuve, but you and your ilk started this war. The rise of strong encryption is precisely because you couldn't keep your fingers out of my grandmother's emails, not to mention her travels about the city, her social network, and anything else your grubby little fingers could reach. Not just my grandmother. Nearly everyone in the world who is using a form of electronic communication.
You started this shit. You enraged the tech community. Now you get to reap what you sow. Enjoy!
"We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means, it is an end."
“In a way, the worldview of the Party imposed itself most successfully on people incapable of understanding it. They could be made to accept the most flagrant violations of reality, because they never fully grasped the enormity of what was demanded of them, and were not sufficiently interested in public events to notice what was happening.
-- George Orwell, 1984
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Really? You think Orgasmatron is the one responsible for bombing people? Get a grip on reality. No single U.S. citizen is responsible for any of it. Then when you respond with, well you elected your leaders, I would beg to differ on that point. Our leaders are appointed, and there is nothing the U.S. populace can do about it.
Anti-deuchebaggerism is actually what needs global attention.
The elimination of hypocrisy must take precedence over the patching of other societal problems, because that's what the "fight against message encryption" is just that: a patch to the failures of internal security. The real problem is what causes this terrorism, and while most people think closing borders is the solution, it is just another patch to another failure. The thing that both these have the most in common isn't actually the fact they are both patches, but that they are both killing much more important things than the possibility of there being bombs or killing: they are taking away freedoms of privacy, safe-haven/asylum, or even freedom of speech. They are, and sorry to be cliché in advance, turning developed democracies into a 1984-esque states.
France, the U.S. and the rest of Europe need to dive deep into their consciousness and create solutions for the real problem - solutions that tackle directly the radicalism problem rather than attempt to generalize it to any and all dark-skinned foreigners, or even the entirety of people inside a country. They need to help Syria get their stuff sorted out and they need to stand besides the more civilized party of that conflict. They need to do exactly what Russia is doing but with a better partner than one that is stoic to the use of chlorine, because, you know, chemical attacks are just a bit harder to target specifically to your enemies (i.e. to avoid killing innocents). And yes, there is no actual good party involved in a war like Syria has, but you need to pick the BETTER one, educate it, and instruct it during and after the conflict.
"But you want to start a war to solve a problem that can easily be solved by me not having an encrypted app or not letting Muslims in?" Yeap: For starters, losing privacy and freedom might not sound like much now, but a lot of people died in the past for us to have what we have now. If you think being less free solves anything you're flat out wrong. And secondly, the war has already started. The main point here is: states need to act in accordance to their own standards. Lowering the standards to suit one's own transient needs is the same as printing money or lending banks money to avoid default - it has been proven wrong in the long term and to setting precedents that are way to hard to roll back.
Good luck regulating equations and math.
Houses are also being used to plan terrorist attacks. Shouldn't we also have cameras and microphones installed in these? What about food?
The idea of stopping people from using encryption is patently absurd. It is so depressing to see such low levels of intelligence, and such poor research, being clearly displayed by the increasingly authoritarian regimes of Western Europe. If any of these policies come to fruition, the terrorists will have won.
We need to BAN all types of vehicles, they are widely used by Terrorists!
We want to avoid another Nice, we need to address this on a global level.
In fact, replace "vehicles" with just about anything. Phones. Terrorists use those too. A lot.
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First they came for the Integral Domains, and I did not speak out,
Because I did not use Integral Domains.
Then they came for the Riemann Hypothesis, and I did not speak out,
Because I did not use the Riemann Hypothesis.
Then they came for the Elliptical Curves, and I did not speak out,
Because I did not use Elliptical Curves.
Then they came for Cryptography—and there was no one left to speak for Cryptography.
64-bit encryption with a golden key should be sufficient?
If they do introduce a law it should probably be tied to Moore's law, such that we don't end up with something that can be broken in 20 minutes with an average BitCoin processor
Jumpstart the tartan drive.
By stating that this is a global issue. Completely true. The Internet is global and knows no borders....
This is why I expect that in the not-too-distant future, electronic borders will be just as heavily (if not more so) guarded as national borders.
That is really the only "solution" here for countries that want the Internet but also want to be able to legislate it.
The likely fallout of this will be an "instanced" Internet. Where Google in France is a completely separate network than Google in Spain (for example).
Then, the country-to-country interlinks are locked down and only authorized packets will be able to cross the borders.
Huge cost, which is why there will be push back, but it will happen eventually.
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We have to ban it because terrorist use it. And do you know who else uses encryption, child molesters. You don't support child molesters do you, if you support encryption that means you are basically a child molester yourself. Besides if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.
Latest boogy man to end freedom.
..ONLY OUTLAWS WILL USE ENCRYPTION. Retarded, knee-jerking, technologically clueless politicians and government officials are what need to be banned, not encryption. In the end they'd have the entire planet doing everything, including their banking and other financial transactions, in the clear, where any two-bit criminal hacker could grab the data and ruin people's lives. Meanwhile the violent assholes they're trying to stop will use whatever encryption or codes they want, and they won't be hampered one single bit. You may as well just take a fire axe to the entire Internet and go back to 1990.. or 1950.. or whatever the fuck these idiots are thinking, for all the good it'd do anyone. FOR THE TEN TRILLIONTH TIME: YOU CANNOT BAN OR WEAKEN ENCYPTION! It's a bad idea plain and simple!
Also, every time I see shit like this? It convices me more and more that what they REALLY want to do, is treat 99.999% of everyone like convicts in a prison, or animals in a zoo: watched 24/7/365, every single move and noise monitored from cradle to grave. I'd sooner blow the whole gods-be-damned planet up MYSELF, burn it all to the ground, rather than have the human race live in a world like that! Them, them, FUCK THEM sideways with an AIDS and Zika-saturated rusty chainsaw; fucktarded politicians like these are the REAL reason we can't have anything nice!
Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
The fight against encryption is the fight to establish a police state of tyranny and the death of freedom.
The bastard who mowed down people in Nice ate baguettes. Ban baguettes.
Finally, someone who gets it.
At this rate, the only winning vote in November is for the Asteroid that wipes out all life on earth
Encryption has many, many uses; and is used millions of times a day for very legal reasons. Sometimes, its use is even legally mandated.
But if politicians really wanted to ban something...something that does a lot of harm to people...something that has been used by terrorists for decades...something that really doesn't have a function beyond harming people...I dunno...you could try banning assault weapons.
Just an idea.
I'm sorry, but your opinion seems to be wrong.
Even if they had the plain text, they wouldn't be able to understand it.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I have backups to corrupt.
More accurate headlines:
France Says "Help Us Put That Cat Back Into The Bag"
France Says "Help Us Overturn The Laws Of Physics"
France Says "Now That The Horse Is Gone, Please Close That Barn Door"
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
I mean, terrorists are a pretty stupid and unimaginative bunch, by and large. I can think off the top of my head of a dozen far more terrorizing and destructive (and far easier to accomplish) things they could be doing if they had any brains and imagination. The whole OMG ENCRYPTION OMG OMG BAN IT stuff just manages to get encryption on the terrorists' radar, and "Doh... uncriptun... might wanna use some of that."
Do they really think that terrorist will gladly obey they laws? They will do whatever - use it anyway, write own apps or simply meet face to face in that pub at the corner near your place.
Once again, this proposal is an indisputable proof that people who do not understand technology shouldn't be able to make or even suggest decisions in the field. Period.
Sometimes, its use is even legally mandated.
Shut your pie hole NERC and the DOE would never recommend or mandate such terrorist supporting activities.
Yes that was sarcasm and it is sad that without this someone would misinterpret it.
Time to offend someone
Since when has France been bombing Tunisia or the Mahgreb countries? Try a stupider argument
The Global War on Freedom wages on..
Terrorists are also known for breathing air.
We should totally ban air altogether to get rid of terrorists.
Meanwhile in France yesterday, a young woman was arrested for inciting terrorism via the encrypted telegram messanger. Tell me how they prosecuted her and produced logs for evidence if they don't already have that session mitm'd?
Also tell me how they already mandate that telecoms manufacturers mitm and backdoor their equiment. How there's users on the element managers that don't appear in the logs and are invisible to any operators of the said system unless they know how to check at a very low level, and those users can reconfigure dslam's and reroute traffic via sniffers and put taps and dumps without anyone knowing. I accidentally broke into a system using this account when engaged on security work in another country and got to do a deep dive on why it was there.
Methinks the dude is just trying to legalize what LE already does. The UK spooks have their prism's for transparent taps already in all the core networks (in fact have done so for many years), France, holland and Germany have mandatory back doors already, and China are trying to industrialize how many avenues into the systems they have its so many.
Posting this as anon, but pretty sure I'm already on the lists for what I know and what I've achieved in my professional activities. THey can hire me if it bothers them I'm being forthright again, but until then I answer to no man except the man who pays my wage :)
Let's give up all encryption - including our employees encryption (government being our employees).
If you have nothing to hide, what are you worried about?
Nigerian characters are standing by for clear text communications.
Of Western, Eastern, Middle Eastern, etc all political and financial leadership, then work your way down as needed.
Even if it doesn't solve the underlying issues surrounding religious extremism, it would leave enough power vacuum to keep them too busy in their own backyards to be coming to shit in other peoples.
People should really ask themselves why these 'terrorists' are only hitting targets that help the government and not the people...
Cthulhu for President
If we're all going to choose our means of destruction, I want a president who'll do it properly and indiscriminately.
-- Sometimes you have to turn the lights off in order to see.
Terrorists are known to wear clothes.
You wouldn't have needed a world wide initiative if governments weren't so insistent on indiscriminately spying on everyone. We're protecting ourselves from YOU. You made your bed, now sleep in it.
BeauHD. Worst editor since kdawson.
I begin we have actually two main terrorist factions acting here: One fighting against the western governments and the other constituted by the western governments.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
I would say the world's people need to band together against the governemental-authority-overeach types.
Requiem for the American Dream
Yeah right .. because the higher powers are so freaking interested in what you say to your wife and have nothing better to do with their time than spying on you!
Man, i m amazed at what Slashdot, has become, or perhaps it's just a very vocal paranoid minority in here ...
Anyway, the mafia and the corrupted business-politicians called, they wanted to say thanks for protecting their privacy.
The shilks appear to have hijacked this thread.
Feel free to comment on the governments of the world uniting in overeach against their own citizens.
Requiem for the American Dream
My post was dry sarcasm, meant to portray the silliness of the argument that many make that "if you are doing nothing illegal, why do you need encryption?"
My intention was to affirm that for even something as trivial as buying milk we should use encryption. If you don't believe me, look at my second sentence:
"Unless the government does not like that brand of milk..." (I spelled it out right there... ONE DAY THE LEGAL MAY BE DEEMED ILLEGAL!)
What was I saying? I was saying in effect "Buying milk is not illegal *wink wink, so why do we need to use encryption? Oh wait, yes we do need to, because even the TRIVIAL things today (like buying milk), may become non-trivial in the future (a more controlling government), thus encryption will be our only defense against a government that may seek to control what it's subjects do and seek and punish those who dissent.
I'm sorry my sarcasm was not worded better, I can see after looking back at my post how it does sound like I believe what I said.
Do you even know what an "assault weapon" is? Hint: it's something that hasn't been used for "assaulting" since WWII.
They would use "assault rifles", but those are already difficult for civilians to get their hands on (legally).
How the fuck do you know what the message content is if it's encrypted you dumb fuckers? "Because encryption" is just the bullshit excuse used by intelligence agencies because they're completely innundated with data from everywhere and keep missing the needles in the haystacks.
really, i do
A society that gives up freedoms in the name of security will have neither.
.. and you're supposed to do international money transfers how again?
Making your own, reliable and high quality encryption is hard. Attempting to do so will likely result in a product with bugs that can be broken.
IF we can forget about terrorists for a second...
Encryption of chat services *IS* impeding police work. Encryption *IS* making it harder for the police to acquire evidence to catch and convict criminals.
Stop inviting trouble inside your borders, attacking encryption is pointless, you let the damn pit bulls in the chicken coop, now you have to deal with it.
Stop doing stupid things and you won't need to focus on messaging encryption.
- a former lefty who got sick of reading the writing on the wall.
This is an article on the French government's stance on encrypted messaging. Most of comments are about gun control or getting rid of all Muslims, while a very small fraction are actually about encryption. Maybe we can start a thread of comments on what it's like to have an extra chromosome.
As I understand it, one of the pillars of Islam is the pilgrimage to Mecca. I've often wondered what would happen to Islam if some of those structures could be destroyed without hurting anyone. Maybe destroy the original Quran, too, while we're at it. Perhaps an IR laser of sufficient power could be shined on it from far away to burn it? I'm not sure how close it's possible to get to it or if they keep it in that black square place.
Then it'd be easier to seed out various copies with small errors, especially if some could be crafted which favored certain sects over others, or which edited out or otherwise moderated some of the worst parts. Sure, some people have it memorized and there are already millions of copies, but that just means it'd take more time to dilute, especially if you were sneaky about changing the copies.
There's no way I'd ever do any of that, mind you, but it makes for an interesting thought experiment.
Given the French and German success with their own advance maths, domestic network security and crypto would it not be better to consult nations with a global track record in network access that remains hidden?
NSA surveillance: Merkel's phone may have been monitored 'for over 10 years' (Sunday 27 October 2013)
https://www.theguardian.com/wo...
If the best in Germany cant even keep one phone safe, the only phone they really had to keep safe, something is very lacking.
France had its entire diplomatic communications network full reconstructed by the US and UK into the 1950's after failing to protect its FMT diplomatic code and later code use.
France in the NSA's crosshair : phone networks under surveillance (21.10.2013)
http://www.lemonde.fr/technolo...
e.g. under DRTBOX and WHITEBOX
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
Contract the murder of Larry Page and brag about it when he is dead!
'nough said!
I am French and must admit that France has a terrible problem. Politicians here have always been believing in "the Maginot Line". That's their only answer, whatever the subject, despite the fact History has shown how wrong they have been...
It can be applied to economics, terrorism, online activity, whatever...
Their new target is encryption... The brightest and newest "Maginot Line". They believe they can control content by regulating the encryption of some popular sites or even tools. And as encryption is coming from Open Source libraries, the only outcome of all of this will be useless mass surveillance but everyone that really need privacy (for good or bad reasons) will build his own P2P fully encrypted military-grade tool in ten minutes using available libraries...
Instead of an encryption licence, there should a licence for French politicians to have the right to talk about technology that none of them understand. It is really a shame, and if we let them spread their stupidity no one knowns to which kind of dictatorship we may end-up... How possible that this country moves so fast from light to darkness ?
I am French and must admit that France has a terrible problem. Politicians here have always been believing in "the Maginot Line". That's their only answer, whatever the subject, despite the fact History has shown how wrong they have been... It can be applied to economics, terrorism, online activity, whatever... Now their new target is encryption... The brightest and newest "Maginot Line" ever. They believe they can control content by regulating the encryption of some popular sites or even tools. And as encryption is coming from Open Source libraries, the only outcome of all of this will be useless mass surveillance but everyone that really need privacy (for good or bad reasons) will build his own P2P fully encrypted military-grade tool in ten minutes using available libraries... Instead of an encryption licence, there should be a licence for French politicians to have the right to talk about technology that none of them understand. It is really a shame, and if we let them spread their stupidity no one knowns to which kind of dictatorship we may end-up... How possible that this country moves so fast from light to darkness ?
IIRC there is not proof up to now, that islamist extremists used encrypted messengers.
On the other hand, government of different states want to be able to read everything their citizens are writing. No more secrets.
Stop this bullshit!
For AK's it is perfectly legal to buy a sheet metal die for stamping a receiver. If you google for it there is a neat DIY for someone who used the sheet metal die to turn a shovel into the registration-required part of an AK [in the US]. All the remaining parts are free to order.
I have no idea why the only part of a firearm that requires knowing what the hell your doing to make properly so it is both accurate and doesn't explode in your face (and provides ballistic fingerprints) isn't what needs to be registered.
So, we just send all our paper mail on postcards now?
... fight for privacy needs world-wide initative.
"(1) Das Briefgeheimnis sowie das Post- und Fernmeldegeheimnis sind unverletzlich."
meaning
"(1) The privacy of correspondence, posts and telecommunications shall be inviolable."
This is one field where France can actually just STFU and learn a little from other democracies.
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
Using encryption was illegal in France until quite recently (2004)
It didn't stop anyone using it and it didn't protect the public, whilst harming commerce. The current laws are specifically aimed at commerce, but use of crypto in France is still officially subject to heavy restrictions
This is a kneejerk attempt to return to the old days, but it didn't work then and it won't work now.