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The USB Kill Stick, Priced at $56, Is Designed To Destroy Laptops, PCs, TVs (zdnet.com)

There's a new USB Kill device in the market today which can destroy any device it touches. ZDNet reports: For just a few bucks, you can pick up a USB stick that destroys almost anything that it's plugged into. Laptops, PCs, televisions, photo booths -- you name it. Once a proof-of-concept, the pocket-sized USB stick now fits in any security tester's repertoire of tools and hacks, says the Hong Kong-based company that developed it. It works like this: when the USB Kill stick is plugged in, it rapidly charges its capacitors from the USB power supply, and then discharges -- all in a matter of seconds. On unprotected equipment, the device's makers say it will "instantly and permanently disable unprotected hardware." You might be forgiven for thinking, "Well, why exactly?" The lesson here is simple enough. If a device has an exposed USB port -- such as a copy machine or even an airline entertainment system -- it can be used and abused, not just by a hacker or malicious actor, but also electrical attacks.

308 comments

  1. So? by Hizonner · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Whoopee. I can hit it with a hammer for free, or plug it into the power line for a couple of bucks.

    1. Re:So? by 110010001000 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Argh, I was going to sell them my hammer for $55! Stop undercutting my price!

    2. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Quietly and inconspicuously within a few seconds?

    3. Re:So? by Spy+Handler · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you put a hammer inside a box marked "Newegg" and send it to someone, upon opening the box he will most like *not* use it to destroy his computer.

      But if you do the same thing with a USB stick zapper, there's a pretty good chance that he will stick it in his computer and end up with a fried computer.

    4. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      It would be a terrible shame if law enforcement personnel were to illegally confiscate and subsequently attempt to read the contents of USB devices which immediately destroyed whatever they were plugged into. It really would be a shame. -PCP

    5. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the machine is behind a wall and the only physical access is a usb port then this works nicely, your hammer don't.

      Also the straight up electrical nature of the attack is pretty interesting, potentially doing more comprehensive damage. If you don't know what you're doing a computer can look smashed but work fine or be recoverable. With this any idiot can potentially destroy most things that have a usb port.

    6. Re:So? by Miamicanes · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Unless the USB hub is optoisolated, that might not be good enough.

    7. Re: So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Challenge accepted!

    8. Re:So? by Nivag064 · · Score: 1

      Nah, I wouldn't!

      But if I found it in a parking lot ...

    9. Re:So? by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      I dunno, have you seen the prices of hammers lately?

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    10. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Optoisolated? What, you never heard of fuses?

    11. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice! I just ordered one for my travels.

    12. Re:So? by Hizonner · · Score: 2

      Something that's smashed will probably have to be replaced even if it still works, and it's easy to assess whether you've stopped it from working. And "any idiot" is more likely to fry the USB port with that thing than to put the whole machine out of commission. They are VERY UNLIKELY to kill the contents of the hard drive, if that's what you mean by "be recoverable".

      As for the wall, my power line still works, and so do lots of other things, even if it's on the end of a long cable. The piezo igniter from a $5 barbecue lighter, say. The piezo can also be quiet and inconspicuous if that's what you want, it has higher voltage and very possibly more current. Still unlikely to make the data unrecoverable, though.

      Anyway, most devices are not behind walls, and if you ARE putting it behind a wall, you SHOULD be protecting the USB port from this sort of obvious electrical attack.

      The point is that damaging things is easy. I could pop parts off a lot of motherboards by putting the intact devices over my knee. On a more robust device, if you have access to a cooling vent and the thing is turned on, you can go ahead and pee in it, and you'll probably do worse harm than you'd do with that thing. Or dump a bit of salt in your orange juice and dump that in. It's plausibly deniable; you don't have a dedicated destructive device to dispose of.

      I'm just not seeing very many plausible situations where that device would be a go-to choice for a vandal.

    13. Re:So? by Hizonner · · Score: 2

      I already have a hammer. Sunk cost.

    14. Re:So? by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      So you will get arrested for impeding an investigation. Also for damaging police property. Having property in attempt to do harm...

      So you get to go to jail for real crimes vs being able to defend yourself for a crime you are inocent of.

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    15. Re:So? by SubtleGuest · · Score: 1

      Why are you so negative?

    16. Re:So? by Hotawa+Hawk-eye · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Picture what would happen if on Election Day someone were to plug one of these into an electronic voting machine on which the election officials had accidentally left the USB port exposed. Fry the machine, quickly pocket the stick, call election officials over (or just walk away) and you've slowed voting at that polling place by reducing the number of machines, potentially forcing them to switch to paper ballots. Election officials might question why you're carrying a hammer with you into the voting booth; they're unlikely to ask you to turn out your pockets so they can inspect any USB drives you may be carrying, and a USB drive is easier to hide than a hammer.

    17. Re:So? by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Ethernet Killer is probably worth mentioning, too.

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    18. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm sure if you explain to the police not to take your stuff and plug it in because it would destroy their equipment, they'd still plug it in anyway and have no one to blame but themselves, legally.

      But of course that doesn't stop them from just killing you in retaliation. They know they can get away with murder. In fact they're apparently rewarded for it with big chunks of paid time off, and no criminal charges.

    19. Re:So? by WolfgangVL · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Wait, full stop. Your saying when my shit is confiscated and used against my wishes in an un-intended application by an uninformed outside operator (read: not me) I am somehow liable when this not me person uses it wrong and asses up his own gear? What about my right to remain silent? What if its labeled PERSONAL?

      What if I straight up TELL the border control agent -
      "This thumbdrive is dangerous and will kill his computer, do not attempt to view the contents?"

      This is a real honest question. No snark.

      I love the idea of a nasty little red herring hiding in my personal private papers and effects.

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    20. Re: So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Low end? The father of my ex was only a sergeant in the middle of Podunk America and was making 25/hr twenty years ago.

    21. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you could probably get the schematics and make an *duino version that switches to USB Kill unless a password is entered or a certain button pattern in 15 seconds.

    22. Re:So? by mizkitty · · Score: 1

      Just mark the USB dribve: "DANGER! Do Not Use - Will kill Computers!"

    23. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you will get arrested for impeding an investigation.

      What investigation would that be?

      Also for damaging police property.

      I don't work for the police department; their equipment isn't my problem. You're welcome to guess at my employment history, though.

      Having property in attempt to do harm

      I regularly carry a firearm. That's property that can do real harm, but good luck arresting me for possessing it.

      So you get to go to jail for real crimes

      What crimes would those be?

      vs being able to defend yourself for a crime you are inocent of

      Do you like fishing?

      -PCP

    24. Re:So? by Kohath · · Score: 2

      Give it to Customs Enforcement when they demand access to your data. Or include it in the box when your records are subpoenaed.

    25. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      USB hubs don't contain fuses nor anything that would protect the PC it is connected to.

    26. Re: So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must know a different brand of cop to everyone else. Or alternatively you're a cretin.

    27. Re: So? by cheater512 · · Score: 2

      Fuses work for high current. Not high voltage. That's why multimeter protection circuitry is so complicated.

      Fuses are also cheap. Mov's and spark gaps aren't so much.

    28. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Nope. The device isn't illegal and I didn't hand it to the police or trick them. They stole it from me and plugged it into their computer of their own accord without being qualified to do so or having their own qualified computer tech present. I merely exercised my right to remain silent.

    29. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I could certainly pour/spray water, glue or acid into it inconspicuously within a few seconds.

    30. Re:So? by FudRucker · · Score: 1

      it will more than likely fry the motherboard chipset and kills the running system before it gets to the harddrive which could be pulled out and be used again

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    31. Re:So? by FudRucker · · Score: 1

      i have a garage full of tools i inherited from my dad when he passed away, some tools that date back to the 1940's mostly wrenches, and some old picks & shovels and one pickaxe

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    32. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If that happened, I would put out hits on every single one of them and their families.

    33. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and they will merely exercise their right to beat you within an inch of your unimportant life, and lock you up and throw away the key. Your choice bud.

      Wait what? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You stupid fucking kid. You watch too many movies and your parents were shit.

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    34. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Congrats. You're an idiot and probably a child who thinks that movie shit happens in real life.

    35. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for the superfluous info, Ralph Wiggum.

    36. Re:So? by Kjella · · Score: 1, Insightful

      What if I straight up TELL the border control agent - "This thumbdrive is dangerous and will kill his computer, do not attempt to view the contents?" This is a real honest question. No snark.

      Realistically? The moment they hear the word "dangerous" and "kill" it and you will be considered a threat and you'll probably find yourself on the ground in handcuffs real quick. If you're lucky your USB stick will not be destroyed by a bomb disposal robot. After hours of interrogation by the TSA, DHS, FBI and other TLAs you'll find yourself in a holding cell while they make up some hilarious charges of threats, terrorism and whatnot. If you got a good lawyer meaning one you can afford, not one appointed to you maybe after lots of legal wrangling the charges will be dropped. By then you'll probably be fired from any job you had. out $10k+ in lawyer's fees and they'll still be patting themselves on the back for a job well done. And if you counter-sue to recover damages expect every possible legal delay and appeal to make sure by the time you get your settlement you've been dead broke for years. They can afford it, ordinary people can't.

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    37. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would take them two seconds to figure out from now on they run it through a USB hub you stupid fucking anarchist asshole.

      Cops aren't smart enough to do things like that. That's why they're cops.

    38. Re:So? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      The Ethernet Killer is probably worth mentioning, too.

      I'm glad all my drives are SATA. They seem to be immune to these threats.

    39. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Realistically? The moment they hear the word "dangerous" and "kill" it and you will be considered a threat and you'll probably find yourself on the ground in handcuffs real quick...blah blah blah blah blah (childish mutterings go on and on)

      You watch too many movies, little boy. Sorry to break this to you, but shit like that doesn't happen in real life.

      Try leaving the basement once in a while. Also, see if you can get laid by a girl who isn't related to you when you do.

    40. Re:So? by Falos · · Score: 1

      No wonder the word "right" has been diluted harder than a homeopathic's drink.

    41. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're being an overthinking idiot. If you have a bomb that looks like a brick, and hand it to a guard and say that it's a bomb, you're going to be charged with whatever destruction the bomb does, not get cool props for handing over something that looks like a brick.

    42. Re:So? by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      Almost but not quite there. Just mark all your USB drives "DANGER! Do Not Use - Will kill Computers!" and just keep track of the one that will and don't use it.

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    43. Re:So? by WolfgangVL · · Score: 3, Funny

      You're being an overthinking idiot. If you have a bomb that looks like a brick, and hand it to a guard and say that it's a bomb, you're going to be charged with whatever destruction the bomb does, not get cool props for handing over something that looks like a brick.

      But that's not what happens in my fiction. I've not handed anything over. Somebody has decided they have the authority to take it from me, and use it against my wishes, while ignoring my warnings. This piece of tech is not illegal to posses.. and its also not a bomb.

      I'll try a new, more fun fiction, and roll in a car analogy cuz slashdot-

            Hillary has modified her Mazda to go from 0-60 in 3 seconds, and to have non-functioning breaks. She did this for the purpose of auto crash research relating to older model seat-belts. She has her papers in order and has paid for all of the appropriate bribes, fees, and licenses.
      There is nothing wrong with this as long as she keeps off the public roadways and conducts her research in a controlled lab environment. Her license and fees paid says so.
      While transporting her crash-dummy-death-machine on an approved and licensed trailer, it is "civilly forfeited"
      She tells her assailant that it is not safe to drive, but he speeds away down the road.... right into a burning Tesla, a BLM protest, and Trumps motorcade

      These events have been completely out of her control, and she's even tried to warn them off. Is she still liable?

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    44. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can always kiester the USB stick!

      . . . or the hammer, but man. Ouch.

    45. Re: So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, $91,876.98 a year gross (adjusted for inflation) is pretty shitty. I wonder how they managed to keep food on the table?

    46. Re:So? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Opto isolating USB is rather tricky because it is bidirectional. Most USB isolation hardware uses magnetic coupling with a few tens of kilovolts isolation max. Enough to protect against this thing for a while.

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    47. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You will almost certainly be charged with damaging property or other felonies should you do something so moronic.

    48. Re:So? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Re assess whether you've stopped it from working.
      How much time and how fast? In a line of say 10-20 people before the suits and uniforms ask for an inspection, drive clone and look for traces of any encrypted data?
      Have a 10's of seconds to a few mins to wipe the small drive and load and new OS, a few apps, work data with a pre set pass word?
      Keep the media size very small, fast pre loading OS install fully scripted?
      Press a panic key combination and in a short time a new working OS is loaded with the very limited amount of media given a quick 1 and 0 wipe pass.
      When asked for a password, one can be given and the OS, data with correct creation and modification dates, applications can all be seen as functional with correct date, time. A bit different from the average huge consumer OS :)

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    49. Re:So? by bytesex · · Score: 1

      I have no idea man, but that was right funny.

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    50. Re: So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Haaaaaaahahahahahaha I would love it if this happens

    51. Re:So? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I've been thinking about ways to make a self destructing USB flash drive for a while. Law enforcement always uses a dongle to block writes to the drive while they make a forensic image. Seems like you could program the drive controller to detect that (say more than 1MB read with no writes after power up, normally Windows will try to update the last access date) and self erase.

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    52. Re:So? by greenfruitsalad · · Score: 1

      when is episode 2 coming out?

    53. Re: So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      US coppers get paid 4x a normal low end job.

      your coppers are undereducated and overpaid..

    54. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On the other hand, when the TSA plugs those things into every laptop they don't want to confiscate (the really nice ones they wanna keep) it'll be an inconsequential minor clerical error that we can't even get a refund for.

    55. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll admit I know enough unlikeable jackasses of the "everyone around wishes they'd get hit by a car" variety that if *I* could get a couple of months of paid vacation off just for doing one in...

      I'm too ethical to become a policeman, but even I find it tempting. I can't even imagine how much glee those immoral monsters get kicking down a random door and putting one to the back of some innocent old person's head, knowing they'll get all rewarded.

    56. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It doesn't matter. Law Enforcement is above the law. What should happen and what occurs in practice are billions of light-years apart.

      If they take your gun, play russian roulette with it, and one of them drops dead because it was a semi-automatic, and you warned them it was a semi-automatic, and begged them not to play russian roulette, it doesn't matter. The other people there are cops, you are the not-cop, therefore all blame forever lands on you.

      When a cop dies, the law stops caring about anything, most especially law or justice. Even if you shot one while it was balls-deep in your toddler, the only crime to have happened that night was you being a terrible monster and shooting an innocent cop.

    57. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are traditional laws already on this topic, for example boobytrapping your house of belongings.

      If you have a legitimate reason for having one of these, and you warn people about it, you'll be fine. If you have it specifically to interfere with lawful police investigations, that's a crime.

      How do we decide if you have a legitimate reason? Jury of your piers.

    58. Re: So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I so forgot about that article.

    59. Re:So? by gweihir · · Score: 1

      A screwdriver, knife, file, bottle of glue, nail, etc. all serve handily. If it is a physical object, it can be used and abused. Guess we have to get rid of physical objects. Or maybe of stupid story-writers, although that may prove harder to do.

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    60. Re:So? by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      That is like saying don't enter my home it is boobytraped. That will work great for you if someone gets injured.

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    61. Re:So? by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      I am sure most police offiers they will normally go the safe route. If it says it's dangerous they are going to treat it as such. In some countries Chiefs needs a special permit for their knives. And if someone's house gets raided and they find knives they get holding dangerous weapon charges.

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    62. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a special kind of reason why someone would want to do this.

      Let's say you work in X company and you're about to be fired (eg you see security coming for you), plug in the USB kill stick into the server, or whatever mission critical device would cost the company more than they would if they didn't fire you. Plug it into the file server, whoops, there goes $50,000,000 in high speed trading data.

      A more likely reason to kill a system is to leave it in your bosses office and let them accidentally kill their system. Thus taking them down.

    63. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What would be an evil way of implementing this is to have an innocuous USB-C drive (you know the ones with high power) with a programmed self-destruct sequence, eg when a specific file is read from the USB drive (Eg "skull.png") to power up and send that power back through the USB drive's data lines.

      This is pretty much what satellite dish receivers did to pirate satellite cards to destroy pirate cards. Just flip it around so that when the USB drive detects the right target it kills it, or any target, depending if your goal is spear-hunting or just chaos.

    64. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is like saying don't enter my home it is boobytraped.

      Boobytraps are specifically illegal. Is this specifically illegal?

    65. Re: So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sigh. I hope it could be open-sourced. $56 is a lot of $ for me here in North Cascadia. And on disability.

    66. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ha ha.....I always leave some "meat on the bone" for the cost reduction sustaining guy just so he can meet his quarterly goal too!! Every mans got to eat, right??

    67. Re:So? by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      I am sure most police offiers they will normally go the safe route. If it says it's dangerous they are going to treat it as such. In some countries Chiefs needs a special permit for their knives. And if someone's house gets raided and they find knives they get holding dangerous weapon charges.

      Which countries are these?

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    68. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's with the signature? Or are you just reminding people of your "prolific child pr0n" collection?

    69. Re:So? by Holi · · Score: 1

      I wasn't aware of that right. Since I am white and relatively well off, when I get out of the hospital and before my bruises are healed my lawyer will, over lunch with the DA, inform them that it would be best for them to settle for the outrageously large number he has written on a small piece of paper otherwise he will have a very simple time pillorying them in the press and courts.

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    70. Re: So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe that is a lot of money in North Dakota. For people in the real world (West Coast) $90k is a pittance.

    71. Re: So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But if they contain a buffer/driver, the high voltage is more likely to be destructively grounded inside the chip than forwarded to the next chip in line.

    72. Re: So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, it's common knowledge - any USB stick found in the parking lot must be brought directly to the server room and plugging in immediately. There is no time to waste!

    73. Re: So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't discount that 98 cents! I'm 40 and 1/2 years old. See my fingers? Back to the 98 cents.

    74. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you put it that way, I totally see the point of this. Awesome.

    75. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Practical answer: whoever has less money.

    76. Re: So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's some strange math you're doing. Surely the measure to determine if an income is high relative to other people would be the median, not the arithmetic mean. Which makes a big difference due to the US's pronounced and rising income inequality (30th percentile of income equality globally). And even with the arithmetic mean, $100k means you would be expropriated in a global redistribution of wealth. Economy is global, remember?

    77. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'd have to pull out the case and turn it on its side, if that's even an option.
      What if you want to take out multiples?

    78. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, it'd be less evident what actually happened.

    79. Re:So? by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      So, yes, there have been cases of police unlawfully killing people. It may or may not be murder (since that requires specific characteristics). Those are terrible and we should be prosecuting them more. However - while an investigation is going on, they should be getting paid. If they actually didn't do anything wrong, they shouldn't lose out on their salary.

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  2. Nice! by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    I have a hammer that can do the same thing. Or a bottle of water. I'll sell it to you for $55.

    1. Re:Nice! by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Can you persuade a third party to unwittingly apply a hammer or a bottle of water to their own device?

      Or can you attack a device with a hammer or bottle of water and leave no obvious physical evidence?

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    2. Re:Nice! by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      I can persuade them to apply the water by telling them their DVD tray is a cup holder.

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    3. Re:Nice! by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      I see you've never heard of the Thermaltake A2021.

  3. Ugh, Sometimes I hate people by tomkost · · Score: 1

    I can see a lot of wasted costs if this *cough *cough "product" ever catches on. Working all my life at device manufacturers this is one I'd like to put back in the bottle.

    1. Re:Ugh, Sometimes I hate people by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

      There is a solution here, electrical protection on the USB port that should have been there from the start. I'm not an EE so maybe this is actually a hard problem but it would seem to be easier to put a breaker or fuse on the the thing that would protect over-voltage from coming into the circuit boards.

    2. Re:Ugh, Sometimes I hate people by tomkost · · Score: 1

      USB and most other ports already have some ESD/current protection. Without knowing the details of the device hard to say if current standards are enough protection. Someone else pointed out that a bad actor could just as easily hit the device with a hammer if they want to break it, so hard to say if anyone will really need to do anything about it.

    3. Re:Ugh, Sometimes I hate people by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      USB and most other ports already have some ESD/current protection. Without knowing the details of the device hard to say if current standards are enough protection. Someone else pointed out that a bad actor could just as easily hit the device with a hammer if they want to break it, so hard to say if anyone will really need to do anything about it.

      Surreptitiously hitting something with a hammer is a lot harder than sneaking something onto a USB port.

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    4. Re:Ugh, Sometimes I hate people by harrkev · · Score: 5, Informative

      As an EE, I have some experience with this. I really do digital logic chip design, and leave the design of the IO pins to the analog guys (and I am NOT an analog guy)...

      However, pins are designed to dissipate excess charge using the "human body model." The specification is charging a small capacitor to a few thousand volts and dissipating that into a pin. Since the capacitance is small, the total amperage is very small. There are zener diodes built into IO pads that can handle this small amount of current. An ESD event will only last for the barest fraction of a second. Now, if you actually intentionally put too much voltage across pins for a prolonged period of time, I can easily imagine those zener diodes dying. Once that happens, the voltage will start to play merry hell with the logic.

      I also did some government (military) work a decade ago. With those systems, you generally hardened them against EMP pulses (don't want a nuke taking down your electronics), so we used something called "transorbs.". Basically, these are big, beefy external zener diodes that can clamp this type of event. HOWEVER, from what I recall, those diodes put too much capacitance on the line, which would do very bad things to high-speed data lines, such as the ones found in USB data lines. Transorbs are great for things like low-speed serial port lines (which explains standards like MIL-STD-1553. I do not know if transorbs have improved much (not done that sort of thing for 10 years), but these are the types of problems you have to face when dealing with something like this -- the devices needed to protect your USB ports might just make your USB ports unusable.

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    5. Re:Ugh, Sometimes I hate people by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      This is a high-voltage spike that fries semiconductor junctions. A fuse isn't going to do a thing. If you want to give the port a fighting chance of surviving, what you want is a clipper. I don't know what voltage and frequency you're looking at for USB2. It wouldn't cost a great deal, it's just that there's never been a call for it.

    6. Re:Ugh, Sometimes I hate people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anything capable of eating a nuclear transient is going to be physically large, and therefore be a giant parasitic capacitor.

      For something like this... maybe a pair of MOVs across the pins? And, needless to say, logic to detect that the TVS system has been triggered and shutdown the port's power supply?

      Doesn't really matter, though. 80% of shit-quality USB ports used in computers don't even have proper overcurrent protection. To imagine that they'd be hardened to defend against a malicious voltage spike? LOL.

    7. Re:Ugh, Sometimes I hate people by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      Without knowing the details of the device hard to say if current standards are enough protection

      Enough protection for what? The USB standard provides basic requirements to ensure compatibility between the devices and with a standard use case. e.g. Requirements around voltages and currents into and out of the socket. The design of the plug and socket includes a grounded outer shell to prevent static discharge from the body hitting the datalines when touched. There's a whole chapter in the standard on current limiting, and most reference implementations of USB controllers now provide polyfuses as downstream devices clearly don't obey the USB standard very well (e.g. Hubs feeding +5V into the upstream port).

      Now the key thing here is that there's almost nothing you can do to protect the USB socket against this attack in a way that is re-settable. This little device is designed specifically to kill polyfuses and protection diodes by applying -100V pulses to the data lines repeatedly until even the best of these protection circuits will break down.

      It's an incredibly targeted attack and not something you can fix by massaging the standard.

    8. Re:Ugh, Sometimes I hate people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good post, but one small correction:

      In human body model (HBM) testing, or indeed in any ESD testing, the capacitance is small, but the voltage is high and the target impedance is typically low. As a result, the currents are _huge_, not small as you noted. As a back-of-the-enveloppe calculation, consider an Ethernet port. Target impedance is ~100 ohm, say we test at 4 kV; a typical peak current would be 40 A.

      The internal diode is limited by it's energy, not so much the current. It takes up a small part of the chip and can thus dissipate only a small amount of heat.

      External ESD diodes can be much larger. A short-term dissipation of 600 W is common.

      Capacitance is indeed the big problem on data lines. It takes much fine-tuning to design ESD diodes for USB, and it is becoming ever harder...

    9. Re:Ugh, Sometimes I hate people by harrkev · · Score: 1

      Yes, the currents are huge, but the duration is small, so there is not much heating of the diodes...

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  4. I can do that for $1.99 by mspohr · · Score: 0

    Just cut off a lamp cord, stick the bare end in the USB port and plug the other end into the wall socket.
    Really, $56 to zap something?

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    1. Re:I can do that for $1.99 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just cut off a lamp cord, stick the bare end in the USB port and plug the other end into the wall socket.
      Really, $56 to zap something?

      Yep, someone reinvented the Etherkiller. I suppose the only difference here is that this is a bit more stealthy.

    2. Re:I can do that for $1.99 by waspleg · · Score: 1

      I'm guessing the difference is people won't notice a flash drive where as they would notice a sheared off lamp cord as "do not want". IE easier to get away with it.

  5. TVS Diode. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder if the USB spec allows for a TVS on the port to protect it from things like this.

    I would put one in if I was designing a board that was somewhat critical. I would hope people designing electronics for aircraft would do the same.

    1. Re:TVS Diode. by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 1

      I don't know that this would play nicely with the high speed serial i/o. There ARE clamps in most of the chips, but they are designed mostly for static discharge and will break under sustained load.

      But as others have pointed out this is an expensive solution to a problem that a rock solves for free.

    2. Re:TVS Diode. by macs4all · · Score: 1

      I wonder if the USB spec allows for a TVS on the port to protect it from things like this.

      I would put one in if I was designing a board that was somewhat critical. I would hope people designing electronics for aircraft would do the same.

      Probably too many Joules for even a TVS to handle, seriously.

    3. Re:TVS Diode. by avandesande · · Score: 1

      There is no way to protect against it.. only by removing or covering the port.
      Sure, in this case it discharges a capacitor at what I assume would be same voltage. But I don't see any reason why you could make one to dump 10kv into the port.

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    4. Re:TVS Diode. by pz · · Score: 1

      Except that a rock would be a lot more obvious, and if you wanted to socially engineer a company into self-destruction of property, just leave one of these USB-killer things disguised as a normal flash drive in the parking lot.

      Now why you would want to destroy the USB port and possibly the computer it is part of rather than deliver malware if you have nefarious intent, well, that beats me. Destroying the computer causes limited damage. Malware, in contrast, can propagate.

      Nevertheless, if vandalism is the goal, rocks will do, but gum, half-chewed soft candy, or a squirt of glue will still disable the port and require a visit from a field tech. One might imagine that gum is a far more pervasive nuisance to public-facing USB ports than rocks.

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    5. Re:TVS Diode. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The original article mentions that apple has protection built in for this attack, so I suspect it can't be too hard. The device itself isn't too large either, so I can't see how much charge it really could store.

    6. Re:TVS Diode. by NotAPK · · Score: 1

      Really not thinking too hard.

      This device can be used to easily take out any computer on a target net with minimal risk to the operator.

      Once the computer is down, other network plants have an opportunity to do things:

      1) Spoof the target MAC and pretend to be that computer on the network.

      2) Wait for the computer to be replaced, knowing that the subsequent SSH connection will present fresh key signatures and can be spoofed.

      3) Track the failed computer to the disposal route but intercept it and scrape it for target data before disposal.

      4) Ensure an employee is not at their desk for 1-2 days while a replacement PC is located for them. Use that time to intercept their network port, phone system, or general physical location.

      Should I go on?

    7. Re:TVS Diode. by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Degrade security too.

      If you fry the swipe card machine that opens the doors, the owners will have no choice but to force all the doors open until the door company engineer arrives.

    8. Re:TVS Diode. by Cochonou · · Score: 1

      There must be a simple charge pump inside, so that the delivered voltage is much higher than 5V.

  6. As the saying goes... by Hognoxious · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you have physical access to the device, you can beat the fucking shit out of it with a rock.

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    1. Re:As the saying goes... by MobyDisk · · Score: 2

      Yes, but this only requires physical access to another person who has physical access.

      As a kid, I always joked about making a "deaths head disk" which would be a floppy disk that would go up in smoke. You would put 1/2 of a flammable chemical combination on the inner rings of the spinning disk, and the other 1/2 on the outside rings. When the drive spins the disk, the chemicals mix, producing *boom*.

    2. Re:As the saying goes... by Deadstick · · Score: 1

      Ummm, you're aware the read/write head doesn't touch the disk, right?

    3. Re:As the saying goes... by Hans+Lehmann · · Score: 2

      He's talking about a floppy disk. Yes the heads touch the disk.

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    4. Re:As the saying goes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ummm, you're aware of centrifugal force?

    5. Re:As the saying goes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ummm, you're aware the read/write head doesn't touch the disk, right?

      Sure it does. He said a floppy disk, not a hard disk.

    6. Re:As the saying goes... by Macdude · · Score: 1

      Ummm, you're aware the read/write head doesn't touch the disk, right?

      Ummm, you're not old enough to remember floppy drives, right?

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    7. Re:As the saying goes... by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 2

      Sometimes you don't have physical access to a device but physical access to a person that does. Label this "Vegas Photos" and drop it in a parking lot.

    8. Re:As the saying goes... by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Be more evil: Glue sand to the disk. Then it ruins the drive but leaves no obvious sign of the cause, so it can ruin many drives before someone realises.

    9. Re: As the saying goes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A similar method was described in the anarchist cookbook. Except instead of using separate chemicals, they said to just coat the spinny part with clear nail polish, then scrape the heads off a bunch of strike anywhere matches and sprinkle them on the nailpolish. Disk spins, friction ignites. Never tried it myself.

    10. Re: As the saying goes... by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      'The Anarchist's Cookbook' was written before floppy disks.

      Perhaps you're thinking of records.

      More important: 'The Anarchist's Cookbook' is full of disinformation that can get you killed.

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    11. Re:As the saying goes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Beating the shit out of an exposed public usb port with a hammer will do very little damage to the machine it's attached to.

      Plug this in, and it's game over.

      If your knee-jerk reply seems to come too easily, perhaps invest some thought before you hit submit.

    12. Re: As the saying goes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure "full of disinformation" would be the correct term. More like "this is full of information that shitty script kiddies from 4chan/8chan would get themselves killed because they have the attention span of an insect"

      Any reasonable smartass would recognize what will get them killed if they don't follow directions. Todays millennial aspergers "I want to prove how smart I am" types will go right to the part that makes the biggest boom and blow their fingers off.

    13. Re:As the saying goes... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Leaving aside the fact that I mentioned physical access to the device[1], how many computers have you seen that have a usb port exposed to the wild outside? And you dare to suggest that I need to do a bit more thought? Seriously?

      [1] It's sort of a proverb in the security world, but you missed that too.

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    14. Re:As the saying goes... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Fair point, but if you don't see the magic smoke coming out and/or the look of surprise on the idiot's face there's not much lulz in it. Not sixty bucks' worth, anyway.

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    15. Re: As the saying goes... by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Follow the instruction to the letter and try to make ricin. You will die.

      At best the book was written by an addled hippie, at worst it was deliberate.

      The Anarchist's Cookbook is dangerously WRONG on many things.

      Disinformation is exactly the right word.

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  7. Vandalism is Easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is not particularly clever. Why not just put glue in the USB port?

  8. Or You could Build you own. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just put an AC Line Cord in the USB Port.
    Proof Of What Concept? That Over-voltage destroys electronics?
    "now fits in any security tester's repertoire of tools and hacks"
    It either Blows the Port or the Mother Board. Why would a security Test need it? Damaging computers tests what?

  9. Danger! Death Ray by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Clearly for peaceful purposes, like "security testing"

    1. Re:Danger! Death Ray by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm going to "security penetration test" my girlfriend tonight.

    2. Re: Danger! Death Ray by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too late. I already did, and she loved it. She even screamed out my name "penetrate me harder Anonymous Coward with that humongous cock!" The penetration test was successful, so you might need a new girlfriend now, sorry.

    3. Re: Danger! Death Ray by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess you didn't see me, I went through the backdoor. Very weak security.

    4. Re: Danger! Death Ray by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice! LOL

  10. How is this different from any other form of... by gameboyhippo · · Score: 1

    How is this different from any other form of vandalism? I'm guessing an exposed earphone jack on an airplane's entertainment console can also be used to harm the device. Saying this is an example of insecurity is like saying that a door being flammable is an example of a door being insecure.

    1. Re:How is this different from any other form of... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If there was ever a clearer example that 'security tester' is just code for 'criminal', I don't know what it is.

    2. Re:How is this different from any other form of... by Obfuscant · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How is this different from any other form of vandalism?

      It's not. It's not "security testing", it's not something an honest "security tester" will have in his "toolbox". It's vandalism and destructive behaviour pretending to be respectable activity.

      How DARE anyone expose a USB port where something can be plugged in for some legitimate purpose? Those money grubbing airlines who are putting USB charging ports on their seat-back systems so you can power your mobile device while on a four hour flight -- how DARE they! And those charging ports that are starting to show up in the waiting areas for those flights? They deserve to be taught a lesson. Kill anything with a USB port on it. It's "security testing" to see if they can survive. Who cares if the service they were providing goes away?

      "Because I can" is not an excuse for destroying other people's property. "TV-B-Gone" is an annoyance; destroying someone's $1000 laptop because they fell asleep next to you on the airplane while it was running and it happened to have an open USB port is pathetic. There is no legitimate purpose for this thing. If you need ESD testing for your own hardware designs, use the appropriate tool. ESD testing other people's stuff is, and should be, criminal.

    3. Re:How is this different from any other form of... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe you could use it as a form of DOS attack on a security system if you need to do it stealthily. After all, in movies and video games the best way to deactivate all the alarms, door locks and cameras is to spray bullets at the monitors in a security booth, so this would work too right?

    4. Re:How is this different from any other form of... by kimvette · · Score: 1

      The mention of the airliner issue brought something to mind: how long before airlines yank USB chargers from aircraft once some fuckwit decides it'll be a great joke to plug one of these into an arliner's USB charger? >_<

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    5. Re:How is this different from any other form of... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Security testers" are generally interested in identifying threats to an organization that arise through unintended interactions with technology. Some of them do this by actually exploiting these threats, but any responsible researcher would be careful to do so in a way that has no long-term consequences for whoever is paying them for this testing (either directly, e.g. by putting them out of business through destruction of property, or indirectly e.g. by getting them sued into oblivion.)

      I would hope that the presence of this device is treated more as information for penetration testers and another potential risk for them to identify, rather than something they would actually use in their jobs. For example, were I evaluating a company and found that there is a single system with an exposed USB port that is somehow critical to their business, I'd warn them about the possibility that a disgruntled employee (if the device is in a "staff only" area) or an outside intruder (if the device is in a space accessible to the public) could potentially disable or degrade that device discreetly such that the perpetrator cannot be identified, and recommend that the port be either removed or placed under some kind of surveillance to discourage such attacks.

      So the fact that this device exists at all is what I care about. I certainly don't intend to use it, and also don't kid myself that USB is the only path for such an attack... essentially any socket or port that provides direct access to the digital signals or power lines of a device is a potential threat, and USB is only of particular interest because of how common it is for consumers to have USB devices on their person, and thus how much plausible deniability there is in carrying one.

    6. Re:How is this different from any other form of... by strikethree · · Score: 1

      Someone earlier up mentioned a legitimate use for these types of things: Carrying them with you when you cross the border. Fuck the Nazis who think they can read any piece of private information that they want.

      You are otherwise correct... I can't think of any other legitimate use for this kind of thing. Just vandalism. :/

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  11. Possible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hmm, it is possible to convert a 5V DC voltage to a much higher value. But it would have to have big value capacitors to store this charge, so it's not going to be a small stick.Still, I'd put in so a series of high voltage of 20V pulses which would damage unprotected circuitry overtime. But they would be low current, so don't expect a bang or smoke.

    1. Re:Possible by Razed+By+TV · · Score: 1

      You can get relatively small polypropylene caps with 1KV ratings, and even surface mount caps with 400V ratings (which you could then put in series). Once you initially exceed the breakdown voltage of the connected device, the supply voltage probably does a lot of the work for you (now that you've created an alternate path for it).

  12. Alternative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A 20 lb. sledge hammer costs less and works just a well.

  13. Is it evil if... by grilled-cheese · · Score: 3, Funny

    Is it evil if I were to buy several of these, scratch the warning off, and leave them around the building/parking lot after a computer security meeting just to see who plugs it in first?

    1. Re:Is it evil if... by PRMan · · Score: 4, Funny

      Label it "Porn Collection" and leave it on the ground in the parking lot...

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    2. Re:Is it evil if... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Scribble 'hot porn!' on it...

    3. Re:Is it evil if... by Solandri · · Score: 1

      That really gets to the heart of the matter. The problem isn't that you can build a device which does this. The problem is people's inclination to plug unknown hardware into their computers (same as their inclination to run unknown software on their computers).

      Somehow, we need to teach people that just as you wouldn't eat a donut you find on the ground, you shouldn't plug in a USB stick you find on the ground.

    4. Re:Is it evil if... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What would be better is if it contains a speaker and goes WHOOP! WHOOP! WHOOP! when someone plugs it in. Why have them only be ashamed to talk to the IT guy when then can embarrass themselves to all the people in nearby cubicles?

    5. Re:Is it evil if... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it would be more fun to leave it in the parking lot BEFORE a computer security meeting and see who's goofing off during the meeting.

    6. Re:Is it evil if... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're not going to see who plugs it in first unless you follow them. You sound like the typical asshole who would do this shit.

    7. Re:Is it evil if... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know at least a couple of people who would likely eat a donut if they saw it abandoned on a table in an empty conference room. I know I would eat a donut in an empty conference room if it looked like it was still new in box and not half-eaten on somebody's plate. Humans are omnivores, and omnivores are also scavengers when necessary. Picking up abandoned things and claiming them is survival instincts, not necessarily stupidity.

  14. At borders and for other jack booted thugs. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It would be good if you're about to go through a US (or any) border and they demand your equipment. Plug this sucker in (here you're gonna demand this too!) and when they try to look at your shit, play stupid and blame them for it being fucked up. Make a big stink for their stupidity, take down their badge numbers and by the time they figure it out, you're gone baby!

    1. Re:At borders and for other jack booted thugs. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So smart! Then you get to replace your "equipment". You sure showed them! Such geniuses on Slashdot.

    2. Re:At borders and for other jack booted thugs. by macs4all · · Score: 1

      It would be good if you're about to go through a US (or any) border and they demand your equipment. Plug this sucker in (here you're gonna demand this too!) and when they try to look at your shit, play stupid and blame them for it being fucked up. Make a big stink for their stupidity, take down their badge numbers and by the time they figure it out, you're gone baby!

      You are dumb as a box of rocks, asshole.

    3. Re:At borders and for other jack booted thugs. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most cops are dumber.

    4. Re:At borders and for other jack booted thugs. by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      Congratulations, you've just won yourself a free 10 year stay in beautiful tropical Guantanamo Bay!

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  15. Properly designed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    with clamping diodes and fuses. But that costs more money.

    1. Re:Properly designed by macs4all · · Score: 1

      with clamping diodes and fuses. But that costs more money.

      Yeah, well even ESD protection has its limits. This thing is pure evil. And not even particularly clever evil.

    2. Re:Properly designed by Miamicanes · · Score: 2

      And clamping diodes & fuses pretty much eliminate any possibility of ultra-ultra-ultra high-speed serial ports, so kiss Thunderbolt, USB 3, and everything else goodbye. And probably wouldn't help much, anyway, since everything downstream from the port will likely be fried by the time the fuse finally melts & opens the circuit back up. If, by some miracle, a MOV wouldn't screw up gigabits-per-second-per-balanced-pair data transmission, most users are STILL looking at what's effectively a total loss because those MOVs rarely are easily-replaceable without at least intermediate-level electronics skills.

    3. Re:Properly designed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A Big enough hit can pop the Fuse or the TVS , MOV, Diodes

    4. Re:Properly designed by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

      The seller notes that the only immune laptops on the market are the latest Macbook Pro's because their power and data circuits are isolated and the data circuits are passed through optical transmitters which essentially eliminate the power issue. There is an somewhat easy solution to a device like this. Isolated protected power paths with optical data transmission. Thunderbird was originally supposed to be optical and Intel still plans optical in the future.

    5. Re:Properly designed by NormalVisual · · Score: 1

      and the data circuits are passed through optical transmitters which essentially eliminate the power issue.

      Optoisolators aren't going to help a lot if the voltage is high enough to arc over/around them, and with a sustained (longer than a few milliseconds) overvoltage of a few thousand volts, it's likely that they'd get burned out even if nothing else was damaged, effectively destroying the port. You can actively insulate the circuit to keep it from arcing, but circuitry that will effectively protect against this kind of attack is going to be hard to fit into a laptop case.

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  16. Yes but by Artem+S.+Tashkinov · · Score: 1

    Electronic pulse igniters could be bought for a lot less. And they do just the same to your electronics, though they are not as handy as this new gadget.

  17. Had a similar idea years ago by wierd_w · · Score: 1

    I had a very similar idea years and years ago, but for electrical outlets on sensitive power circuits.

    wallwart sized device charges up many megavolts in a resonant coil, then discharges it back into the mains.

    the breaker will blow from the backfed voltage, but all the expensive devices attached will be smoked.

    given how often proper building wiring is real consideraton over cost (sarcasm), and how useful a major, system wide disruption of this nature can be for interntional terrorism/counter intelligence, I could truly see such a device existing and being used.

    the device could be concealed as a phone charger in todays world. nobody would find it even the least bit suspicious for a random person to sit down and plug in like that these days.

    1. Re:Had a similar idea years ago by blackomegax · · Score: 1

      In my own testing, you only need to bridge the prongs together directly and any breaker on the circuit will overheat in a minute or so and trip.

    2. Re:Had a similar idea years ago by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      wallwart sized device charges up many megavolts in a resonant coil, then discharges it back into the mains.

      If you could design insulation that would allow a wallwart sized device to develop many megavolts internally without frying itself, you could make a fortune and wouldn't need to destroy other people's property.

      the breaker will blow from the backfed voltage,

      Breakers blow from current, not voltage. You can't generate a million volts with sufficient current to feed back into a wiring panel from the same line you take the current, at least not without a huge storage capacity and a long time to fill it. Wallwart sized? Hardly. What you might be able to do is get the breaker to blow when you fry a switching power supply plugged into it, but that's not a "backfed voltage", its a resulting short circuit in a connected device.

      given how often proper building wiring is real consideraton over cost (sarcasm),

      I'm sorry, but feeding a huge voltage back into the wiring is not proving that the building wiring is at fault. It's showing a destructive tendency and ignorance of what constitutes "proper building wiring".

    3. Re:Had a similar idea years ago by wierd_w · · Score: 1

      a blown breaker is easily fixed, and causes only a few mins of system downtime.

      smoked PSU voltage regulation circuits take a little longer.

      hollywood style:

      you want to keep edward snowden from boarding his flight. you plug in on the complimentary power recepticle, 30 secs later, the airport terminal is down, and cannot process boarding passes. he canno board at another terminal, because the whole system on the user-end is down.

    4. Re:Had a similar idea years ago by wierd_w · · Score: 1

      having many rooms on a single power drop from the breaker, jackass. you can cripple many systems by exploiting cheap assedness in planning of the power infrastructure. wont work on a proper data center, but will easily kill whole cube farms for days.

      insulation of that kind is easy. sealed glass vial filled with sufur hexafluoride gas.

      megavolt voltages are easily obtained with 19th century wiring designs. we have much better conductors and material now. they make supercaps that can handle that kind of load, and can fit in that form factor. if you want a brand name, apowercap comes to mind.

    5. Re:Had a similar idea years ago by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      you want to keep edward snowden from boarding his flight. you plug in on the complimentary power recepticle, 30 secs later, the airport terminal is down,

      You think smoking a complimentary USB charging port is going to shut down an airport terminal? You're on drugs.

      Oh, but if you put it into the charging port on the airplane and smoke the seatback display! That will surely disable the aircraft, right? Sorry, that aircraft will be fine, it will just have another non-working seatback display that will eventually get replaced.

      There is no justification for this device. None at all. It is intended only to destroy other people's property.

    6. Re:Had a similar idea years ago by wierd_w · · Score: 1

      you dont plug a wallwart into a usb port, idiot. troll elsewhere.

    7. Re:Had a similar idea years ago by jenningsthecat · · Score: 1

      the breaker will blow from the backfed voltage, but all the expensive devices attached will be smoked.

      With a device as small as a wallwart, the breaker will almost certainly NOT blow, unless your "many megavolts" pulse is long enough and of a low enough impedance that it breaks through the insulation and causes and ionized channel between Hot and Neutral or Ground. And it's likely only *some* of the devices attached that will be smoked.

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    8. Re:Had a similar idea years ago by wierd_w · · Score: 1

      wallwarts can be surprisingly large.

      imagine something the size of a laptop power brick, if that makes you feel better.

    9. Re:Had a similar idea years ago by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      you want to keep edward snowden from boarding his flight. you plug in on the complimentary power recepticle, 30 secs later, the airport terminal is down,

      You think smoking a complimentary USB charging port is going to shut down an airport terminal? You're on drugs.

      Oh, but if you put it into the charging port on the airplane and smoke the seatback display! That will surely disable the aircraft, right? Sorry, that aircraft will be fine, it will just have another non-working seatback display that will eventually get replaced.

      Smoke in the cabin. Smell of electrical fire. What do you think the airline is going to do?

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    10. Re:Had a similar idea years ago by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      having many rooms on a single power drop from the breaker, jackass.

      Speak in complete sentences so you might have a chance of making some kind of sense, please. So what about having multiple outlets on one breaker?

      you can cripple many systems by exploiting cheap assedness in planning of the power infrastructure.

      So your idea of "proper building wiring" is a home run for every outlet to individual breakers? But even that's not enough, since breakers are connected to the same circuit on the back end. Putting "many megavolts" into one breaker on one circuit will feed that voltage out the others on the same circuit. So you must think that a single phase for each breaker and one outlet each is "proper". A house with five outlets in one room would need two three-phase feeds to the house to be properly wired, then, for just that one room.

      But if you have just one home-run for each breaker, then what are you plugging your wallwart into again? There will be no outlet available for you.

      megavolt voltages are easily obtained with 19th century wiring designs.

      Yes, they are, but INSULATING the wiring so that megavolts doesn't leap wildly about is still an issue. You want megavolts in a wallwart. If you can invent the insulation that would allow that, you'll make a fortune and you won't need to demonstrate your technical wizardry by destroying other people's property for fun.

      we have much better conductors and material now.

      The issue is not conductors.

      they make supercaps that can handle that kind of load,

      Thanks for the name. I looked them up. Did you? It's hard to find any specifics about their products other than a couple of pictures on their website. The largest cap they have shown there is 550F. But it's rated at only 2.7V. That's a million times less than the "multimegavolts" you want to generate.

      How long will it take to charge your multimegavolt supercap? Let's see, "C equals ice cream cone". C=Q/V. C=550F. V=2.7V. Q is CxV, or 1485 coulombs. You're plugging this into a USB port. A 2.1A USB charging port will take 707 seconds to charge this cap, or more than 11 minutes. (One Ampere is one Coulomb per second.) And you'll wind up with a whopping 2.7 volts when you're done.

      But, if you figure out some way to switch 1,000,000 of these caps from parallel to serial (a common way of voltage doubling or tripling, usually done with diodes) you'll get your "many megavolts" (2.7MV, to be exact). But it will take 707 million seconds to charge this capacitor bank up, and it won't be wallwart sized anymore.

      But do this with a coil? Ok, now insulate the coil so it isn't busy arcing internally and the current is going out the wallwart plug.

    11. Re:Had a similar idea years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except with the breakdown of air happening at about 3*10^6 V/m and the pins on your wall-wart being ~0.01 m apart, you shouldn't bother with voltages over about 50 kV, or you'll waste most of that energy arcing between pins and not feeding into the mains.

    12. Re:Had a similar idea years ago by jofas · · Score: 1

      That's rich. Calling someone an idiot because they call you on not knowing that airports isolate publicly accessible outlets from sensitive equipment. I dare you to try it.

    13. Re:Had a similar idea years ago by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      you dont plug a wallwart into a usb port, idiot. troll elsewhere.

      And plugging your "many megavolt" wallwart into a complimentary charging outlet isn't going to shut down an airport terminal, either, moron. It will blow the breaker in the charging station at worst, destroy stuff other people have plugged into the same charging station maybe. But shut down the terminal? You're on drugs. Or you are a troll.

    14. Re:Had a similar idea years ago by wierd_w · · Score: 1

      apowercap just came to mind. if you want small, high voltage caps, try tdk.

      http://www.digikey.com/en/prod...

      also, again, glass vial enclosure full of sulfur hexafluride. it does not conduct electricity, a least not in the ranges being discussed.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    15. Re:Had a similar idea years ago by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      Smoke in the cabin.

      From what, a "smoked" seatback display? The term "smoked" doesn't mean "emits vast quantities of smoke", it means "broken". I've "smoked" lots of electrical bits, and except for a few cases none of them have emitted smoke. That's especially true when I've "smoked" a cute little IC by putting too much voltage on it. The last one was a precious little Nano that started drawing about 200 times the current it should have. Had it been properly fused, the fuse would have blown and I'd be wondering why it wasn't working. As it was, I didn't really detect the problem until I burned my finger on the Atmel processor. That's when I noticed the current draw. But not a single bit of smoke.

      You'd have much better luck smuggling a bottle of liquid smoke on board and pouring it out at the opportune time. Less than 3oz is a LOT of liquid smoke. But they might catch you? Well, what do you think is going to happen when the seatback display IN FRONT OF YOU starts smoking? You don't think they will notice you? But it won't, so you don't have to be scared.

      What do you think the airline is going to do?

      Tell you that the display is broken and sorry. They'll tell the next pax that the display is broken and sorry. They will probably write it up for maintenance, but since it's not on the minimum operating equipment list it won't ground the airplane.

    16. Re:Had a similar idea years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      . . .ignorance of what constitutes "proper building wiring".

      Says the pot to the kettle. Breakers blow the combination of voltage and amperage, wattage, rather than either one in isolation. A non-*fci breaker has an internal bimetallic strip that energizes a small solenoid when it gets too warm.

      Megavolts trump 480V every time, irrespective of current. There may not be enough total wattage to trip that breaker, but those megavolts will find the shortest possible path to ground. That path to ground can most certainly include computer equipment.

      That said, institutional electrical systems should be design with internal surge protection devices that ought to shunt small transients, like wierd_w proposes, to ground.

    17. Re:Had a similar idea years ago by wierd_w · · Score: 1

      a typical outlet has plastic between the conductors. this thing is not charged prior to outlet insertion. the wire has significantly less resistance than the air anyway.

    18. Re:Had a similar idea years ago by wierd_w · · Score: 1

      you only want to down the little kiosk the lady taking your boarding passes is using.

      i very much doubt that it is on its own breaker.

    19. Re:Had a similar idea years ago by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      apowercap just came to mind. if you want small, high voltage caps, try tdk.

      50kV is closer, but still at least 1/400th the "many megavolts" you want to create. And they're 10,000pF or below.

      also, again, glass vial enclosure full of sulfur hexafluride.

      I refer you to this report from the Air Force Materials Laboratory, specifically page 12, which shows a DC breakdown voltage of just over 200kV for a 2" gap in SF6. It's hard to have a 2" gap in a wallwart that isn't much bigger than that. That's one fifth of a megavolt; much less than your "many megavolts". And, as someone else pointed out, you have to get these megavolts out of the wallwart, so you can't enclose the entire system in SF6.

      The fact remains, creating a "many megavolts" output from a wallwart sized device will be a technological feat that you can profit from. Your desire to destroy other people's stuff because they dare leave an outlet open for you to plug into is hardly necessary, or even a positive attribute.

    20. Re:Had a similar idea years ago by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      you only want to down the little kiosk the lady taking your boarding passes is using.

      You don't get to plug anything into that outlet. If you manage to do that and something stops working, they'll see you and security will haul your ass off to the hoosegow.

      And if you did manage to sneak your impossible device into that outlet and blow out the power supply on the pass reader, they'll just move one from another gate over, or use the other one already at the gate. Or, at the very worst, take passes by hand and enter them manually.

      i very much doubt that it is on its own breaker.

      Yes, dear, for liability issues, publicly accessible charging stations and outlets have their own breakers. Just to stop morons like you from trying to shut down the terminal by plugging something destructive into them.

    21. Re:Had a similar idea years ago by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      imagine something the size of a laptop power brick, if that makes you feel better.

      This isn't an issue you can wave away by making other people "feel better". "Feel better" isn't the same as "makes it technologically possible." You've now just added a foot or two of power cable between your impossible device and the wall, which will have to refrain from arcing over and creating quite a display when it carries many megavolts from the now not-a-wallwart into the wall. That's if the not-a-wallwart thing can manage to create many megavolts without itself starting to arc and being an amazing display all by itself.

      Remember, the goal is to be stealthy and not light up the place like the Fourth of July fireworks with sparks and flame. Even were you able to create many megavolts in a "laptop power brick", you're not going to be stealthy when it arcs like a Jacob's ladder. And also remember, Jacob's ladders can be produced with as little as 10kV -- a whole lot less than a megavolt.

    22. Re:Had a similar idea years ago by wierd_w · · Score: 1

      The 50k cap is used as the floating tank for the resonant coil circuit. The voltage gain is a product of the difference in the number of coil windings between the driver coil and the discharge coil.

      The interaction between the driver coil and the discharge coil is from electromagnetism. They do not need to be in the same gaseous medium. A many walled setup, with one SF6 filled tube containing the cap, the discharge coil, and a third tank circuit to measure when the discharge coil is full to bridge it to the mains, sitting inside another glass vial filled with SF6 containing the driver coil, with the inputs and outputs at opposite ends, should be able to reach 2mv peak discharge for a millisecond or so.

      It can only self discharge when there is a bridge between the driver and discharge coils.

    23. Re:Had a similar idea years ago by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      If you can plug it into the right place though, you can still cause serious disruption. Blow power to check in, no-one boards that flight for a few hours. Blow power to security screening and the TSA will cancel all departures until they can get it back.

    24. Re:Had a similar idea years ago by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      Blow power to check in, no-one boards that flight for a few hours.

      First of all, every airport check-in area I've seen in the last decade is operating at about half capacity. Blow out one computer, they simply switch to a different station and carry on. Trip a breaker and they simply reset it and carry on.

      And second, check-in and boarding are done in two very different parts of the airport. It's not very likely that the gate computers are on the same breaker that the check-in computers are. A five minute delay while they find and reset a breaker at check-in will have zero impact on boarding.

      Blow power to security screening and the TSA will cancel all departures until they can get it back.

      You're going to sneak up to a TSA security checkpoint and start plugging things into their outlets? Really? Have you been to an airport recently?

      And my comment about "half capacity operations" regarding check-in goes double for TSA security checkpoints. "Oh my, one of the body scanners stopped working. Call maintenance and use that one over there." I've been in line when that has happened. Or if there isn't one over there, simply close that line and delay everyone. Or if you blow out one of the metal detectors, then EVERYONE gets to go through the body scanners.

    25. Re:Had a similar idea years ago by myowntrueself · · Score: 1
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    26. Re:Had a similar idea years ago by Obfuscant · · Score: 1
      The point is that there is not likely to be ANY smoke. ESD tends to create open circuits, not shorts, and a short on a USB data output is not going to create a huge amount of smoke anyway.

      Like I said, you're more likely to get a response by carrying on a bottle of liquid smoke. Why destroy someone's property when you can do the same thing with a few drops of an odorant?

    27. Re:Had a similar idea years ago by Obfuscant · · Score: 1
      You use a lot of technical terms, but I don't believe you are thinking about the problem.

      A many walled setup, with one SF6 filled tube containing the cap, the discharge coil, and a third tank circuit to measure when the discharge coil is full

      Full of what? Pixie dust? Voltage? Do you not realize that as soon as your "discharge coil" is "full" of voltage the ends of that coil will have "many megavolts" difference in potential? Did you look at the document I referenced for you that shows a 2" gap in an SF6 environment breaks down at just over 200kV? That means your "many megavolts" coil will have to have ends that are more than 10" apart. And that's to keep what is IN the "glass tube" from arcing. Those wires have to come outside the tube so they can feed their many megavolts into the wall -- and that's going to be MUCH less than a 2" gap and it will not be surrounded by SF6.

      to bridge it to the mains

      And just what magical switch will you use that fits inside a wallwart package that will handle many megavolts across its terminals to create this "bridge"?

      It can only self discharge when there is a bridge between the driver and discharge coils.

      You know, every Jacob's Ladder I've ever built did not have a "bridge" between the input and output coils of the neon sign transformer and yet it created dandy sparks across the output -- and that was at just a paltry 10kV. Imagine many megavolts packed into a tiny wallwart. That you cannot imagine that this will arc and spark and spitz and self-destruct is amazing.

      I've already spent too much time trying to educate you on this, so please, prove me wrong and build a multi-megavolt wallwart and show me how it doesn't go up in a flash of plasma as it self destructs.

    28. Re:Had a similar idea years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you sure about that?

      Seems more like a Spy-vs-Spy tool. I could see it being used as a revenge tactic on shitty employers like those that outsource to India. Leave a few of these USB sticks around labeled "recovery tools" or such and when someone goes to use it, wrecks the machine and likely several other machines before someone figures it out. Better yet, purposely label them with things that would be obvious to people who live here, eg "9/11 Truth", "Red Skull", "Dr.Doom", etc that would give should give someone pause.

      I don't see any practical use other than to cover your own tracks or someone elses tracks. Eg the bosses computer with child porn on it and here comes the FBI.

    29. Re:Had a similar idea years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've had smoke come out of exactly two things in the past:

      1 - +5V lead from the super i/o card on a 386 grounded against the chassis. Burned the traces off the super-io card.
      2 - One of those shitty sharp steel 386 tower chassis sheared the IDE cable, smoke poured out of the computer as if it were on fire.

      In the first case the smoke was coming from the burning electronics, in the latter case it was because the insulation on the IDE cable had reached a pre-ignition point.

      This same razor-sharp 386 Chassis left me with dozens of tiny cuts that I refused to take it apart anymore and told that client that he should get a new computer the next time it's dead. I'm not sure if he ever did, but the building (but not his store) caught fire once after and he died several years later.

      The lesson learned from that era was to not open smokers computers because they are extremely gross.

    30. Re:Had a similar idea years ago by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Smoking the seatback might work. The damage to the plane wouldn't be significant, but the smoke would be - the plane can't take off with a potential fire on board. The plane would have to be grounded until the engineers have checked it over, confirmed that the smoke was from a non-critical system, and signed off that the plane is safe to fly. That should be enough to cancel a flight. Greatly annoying all the passengers, who would just be delayed and booked into a later flight instead.

    31. Re:Had a similar idea years ago by kimvette · · Score: 1

      > the breaker will blow from the backfed voltage, but all the expensive devices attached will be smoked.

      Breakers do not trip based on voltage, but on total power (meaning high current in this case) heating up a bar in the breaker.

      If what you imagined would work, we would not need surge suppressors or lightning arrestors.

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  18. One Word: Hammers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what is old is new again

  19. Talk about the Evil Maid... by macs4all · · Score: 1

    Damn! Is there ANY legit reason for this "USB Taser" to exist?!?

    1. Re:Talk about the Evil Maid... by wierd_w · · Score: 1

      lets say you are an international terrorist.

      you are about to be apprehended. you use a netbook that lacks real permanent storage, but still need some form of NV datastore, so use use encrypted USB.

      to prevent security failure, you plug both devices into the same USB root hub.

      you eliminate all useful forensic data in a few seconds.

    2. Re:Talk about the Evil Maid... by macs4all · · Score: 1

      lets say you are an international terrorist.

      you are about to be apprehended. you use a netbook that lacks real permanent storage, but still need some form of NV datastore, so use use encrypted USB.

      to prevent security failure, you plug both devices into the same USB root hub.

      you eliminate all useful forensic data in a few seconds.

      As I said: "Legitimate reason"?

    3. Re:Talk about the Evil Maid... by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      Any answer to the question "is there a legit reason" that starts with "let's say you are an international terrorist" can be ignored as patently absurd.

    4. Re:Talk about the Evil Maid... by wierd_w · · Score: 1

      You work for the CIA instead.

    5. Re:Talk about the Evil Maid... by wierd_w · · Score: 1

      one nation's agent provocatur is another 's international terrorist.

      perspective. get one.

    6. Re:Talk about the Evil Maid... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would think that an agent operating in a foreign country would be slightly more adept at destroying his communications beyond, geez LET ME FRY MY USB PORT! We better get the CIA on the phone with you so you can tell them HOW WRONG they've been doing everything in the spy craft...

    7. Re:Talk about the Evil Maid... by wierd_w · · Score: 0

      It is a last resort, nitwit. Ideally, the agent never gets caught, and thus never uses the scary red thumbdrive.

      The typical SOP is that the agency disavows any knowledge of the agent. The agent knows they are expendable. They use the device nuker to destroy any evidence of their affiliation, and only as a last resort before capture. They cannot be tortured into revealing a decryption key if nothing to decrypt exists.

    8. Re:Talk about the Evil Maid... by jofas · · Score: 1

      it would be a lot easier and quicker to make a device that plugs into the mains that fries your USB storage. There isn't much use for this device except to be a professional douchebag.

    9. Re:Talk about the Evil Maid... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A legitimate reason might be to break voting machines, forcing manual voting.

      A system that cannot be overseen by third party observers is unacceptable in the voting process.

    10. Re:Talk about the Evil Maid... by kimvette · · Score: 1

      That's a lot harder to get away with because the internal physical damage would be obvious. The damage resulting from ESD-scale voltages are generally not apparent during a visual inspection so the root cause is harder to trace as to repair the unit you would have to break up the circuit so you can test individual components with a multimeter, or simply chuck the whole PCB and replace it with a new one (and hope nothing else was fried).

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  20. Use a gun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The gun will "instantly and permanently disable unarmored hardware." You might be forgiven for thinking, "Well, why exactly?" The lesson here is simple enough. If a device does not have an armored housing -- such as a copy machine or even an airline entertainment system -- it can be used and abused, not just by a hacker or malicious actor, but also kinetic attacks.

  21. Any sound effects?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think photon torpedos or "phasers set to kill" would be cool :)

    1. Re: Any sound effects?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can just make them yourself when you plug it in like "pew pew, wap wap, kaaabooom!". You'll show them who's the cool badass motha fucka! Also, mom said dinner is ready, can you come upstairs, we're waiting...

  22. What's next? by tchdab1 · · Score: 1

    A "kill sledgehammer" works for the same reasons.

  23. Less malign devices by phorm · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I wonder what other fun things you could do with a USB-charged capacitor, preferable things that don't cause actual damage.
    How about a tiny speaker that plays in a loop
      "This idiot just plugged in a hacked USB device!"

    1. Re:Less malign devices by ffkom · · Score: 1

      A primary cell like in a "happy birthday"-playing-postcard is probably cheaper then utilizing a capacitor.

  24. How is this clever? by JustNiz · · Score: 0

    I mean I can also take a baseball bat or a gun to whatever I want to destroy. How is this any less stupid?

  25. Fairy dust and unicorn dreams. by MindPrison · · Score: 1

    Nope, nope and nope.

    Guess who decided to drop this post a message? Its me! Someone with actual knowledge of electronics. The device you see there is 99% incapable of destroying anything but an USB port at best. Most modern motherboards today come with high voltage protection, this is the usual anti-static protection that has been implemented in chips for years. You know...when you walk around with wool clothes on a carpet, your body is essentially ONE big capacitor walking around with potentially kilovolts in your body. Have you ever greeted someone and ...ops...sparks fly...and a shock was felt? How come your computer survives those jolts every day? Easy, they ALL have this kind of overvoltage protection.

    If this device as described in the OP does as its advertised, then its no more than that, at best it will kill your USB port, or as usual...it will just make your resettable autofuse react as long as your computer is on, and when its turned off and on again, everything will be back to normal, nothing to see here...move along.

    Now, if you REALLY wanted to make an USB device that actually destroys your or anyones computer, youd want it to come with the latest in worms and computer virus technology, preferably those that can exploit any firmware/software bugs known to mankind, bonus points if you can activate the sleeping all-in-one-computers that resides inside intel processors.

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    1. Re:Fairy dust and unicorn dreams. by macs4all · · Score: 1

      If this device as described in the OP does as its advertised, then its no more than that, at best it will kill your USB port, or as usual..

      Really? People wipe out USB ports with static discharges ALL THE TIME, despite the ESD protection.

      Everything has limits, and since you don't know what is going on exactly in this device, and more importantly, how many JOULES of energy it can shove down your USB port's throat, you are simply talking out your ass.

    2. Re:Fairy dust and unicorn dreams. by rahvin112 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Didn't see the You-tube video of the concept version of this being demoed on a laptop did you? Fried the screen and board in the first pulse and took out the power system and everything else with the second (each pulse takes about a second to charge and release). These things are not pushing a 10V signal on a 5V line, they are pumping a 230V charge into the port with magnitudes more amperage than static electricity, the simple over-voltage protections on current USB ports can't protect against this.

      A real solution to a device like this will require a far more robust design on the over-volt protection on the ports. Something that can resist 200V+.

    3. Re:Fairy dust and unicorn dreams. by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      I can see maybe MOVs on the AC line inputs to help protect against transient voltage spikes, but are saying that all VLSI chips have diodes on every single input and output pin? If this is true, and it really does protect against static discharge, then why does every PC Board manufacturer make their employees wear grounding wrist straps?

      I agree that this killer USB stick would most likely just kill the USB buffer, or just open the polyfuses, but in the worst case, it might fry the southbridge, and that would pretty much spell the end of your motherboard.

    4. Re:Fairy dust and unicorn dreams. by MindPrison · · Score: 1

      Everything has limits, and since you don't know what is going on exactly in this device, and more importantly, how many JOULES of energy it can shove down your USB port's throat, you are simply talking out your ass.

      Everything has been described pretty informatively, and I just love when random people like yourself claim that someone is talking out of their ass, possibly knowing exactly what I know or less. I find you amuzing, but please don't take offense, there is so many other things in life that could potentially do that. Not worth it.

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    5. Re:Fairy dust and unicorn dreams. by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      Yes, all VLSI chips have diodes on every single output pin. Except the really, really high-frequency pins. But these diodes are tiny and delicate things. They provide only a moderate level of protection.

    6. Re:Fairy dust and unicorn dreams. by Carewolf · · Score: 1

      Didn't see the You-tube video of the concept version of this being demoed on a laptop did you? Fried the screen and board in the first pulse and took out the power system and everything else with the second (each pulse takes about a second to charge and release). These things are not pushing a 10V signal on a 5V line, they are pumping a 230V charge into the port with magnitudes more amperage than static electricity, the simple over-voltage protections on current USB ports can't protect against this.

      A real solution to a device like this will require a far more robust design on the over-volt protection on the ports. Something that can resist 200V+.

      Fried the screen? I call bullshit. The rest directly on the motherboard, perhaps, if you strike it with a small scale equivalent of lightning. The screen is too far away and already protected against capacity surges. And I also doubt it can actually do any serious damage with the current in a normal USB port. Maybe a with 100W USB-C port and some giant capacitors... Maybe...

    7. Re:Fairy dust and unicorn dreams. by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

      You are woefully unaware of how susceptible electronic device, particularly integrated circuits are to EM discharges. A USB port provides 500ma per second at 5V, with a few capacitors and a second or so to charge up you can transform that to 200V at a slightly reduced amperage. This would be enough juice to burn you and have you yelping in pain and you think your cheap IC circuits are going to survive that when they can barely survive a static electricity discharge with no amperage behind it?

      You should learn better, go to youtube and watch the video from the homemade device and learn how these things work. It also wouldn't hurt if you actually learned something about electricity as well because you apparently don't know much of anything.

    8. Re:Fairy dust and unicorn dreams. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No:

      I have had a USB devices that blew and bricked the motherboard, and thus my laptop. One was a Blackhawk JTAG interface, and another a USB hard disk cradle on Dell and HP laptops.

      We then put USB Hub in the middle to prevent this from happening and it happened again.

      I fell the pain

    9. Re:Fairy dust and unicorn dreams. by macs4all · · Score: 1

      Everything has limits, and since you don't know what is going on exactly in this device, and more importantly, how many JOULES of energy it can shove down your USB port's throat, you are simply talking out your ass.

      Everything has been described pretty informatively, and I just love when random people like yourself claim that someone is talking out of their ass, possibly knowing exactly what I know or less. I find you amuzing, but please don't take offense, there is so many other things in life that could potentially do that. Not worth it.

      Really? I broke the Slashdot code, and actually read TFA. I have been an embedded Dev. For nearly 4 DECADES, with most of that designing Industrial Controls that have to not only survive, but actually FUNCTION properly in some fairly electrically-hostile environments. I have personally conducted both controlled and practical ESD testing,

      I don't know what you saw in that article, but TFA had pretty much as much info as TFS, and certainly nothing to suggest specifics such as pulse duration or amplitude, let alone the pulse shape, polarity, or total energy delivered.

      Unless you know those specifics, PLUS the specifics of the ESD protection of the port you are attempting to compromise, there is NO HOPE of knowing whether a particular circuit will survive an attack by this device. And that doesn't even get into variables like humidity, etc. that would affect the actual energy applied to the circuit-under-attack. Because quite frankly, even knowing all that doesn't account for everything; because I can tell you from some of the testing I participated in, the exact-same controlled ESD discharge that won't cause obvious damage one time, will wreak utter havoc another time, with everything you can make the same, being the same. All you can do is do your calculations, add some "fudge factors", and test, test, test...

      Just because you hooked a Raspberry Pi up to a Relay to feed your cat doesn't mean you understand physics or even electronics.

      so yes, talking out your ass...

    10. Re:Fairy dust and unicorn dreams. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      And I also doubt it can actually do any serious damage with the current in a normal USB port.

      Do you know you can charge up a car battery by stringing together AA batteries? Do you know that opening the housing of a camera can kill you even after removing the battery and even though cameras typically run from a 7V battery?

      You don't need to doubt anything because this project isn't limited by any current provided by the USB port. All that limits is the duration that it takes for the device to charge up. It builds up a significant charge over a period of time and then drops this at -200V (the negative symbol is a key part the GP missed) back into the data pins, pins that are designed to take high voltage at low current, or higher current at low voltage, and above everything when referencing the voltage negative then you're breaking down the source / sink relationship in the electronics. Devices which were designed to protect against current flowing the wrong direction, and which were designed with an assumption about the voltage of for instance the ground connections.

      As for "too far away", nothing is "too far away" in electronic terms if you start messing with a system ground potential.

    11. Re:Fairy dust and unicorn dreams. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Its me! Someone with actual knowledge of electronics. The device you see there is 99% incapable of destroying anything but an USB port at best. Most modern motherboards today come with high voltage protection, this is the usual anti-static protection that has been implemented in chips for years.

      Please tell me you don't design equipment. All the hope I had from your first sentence was completely lost at the second one.

      The high voltage protection on digital electronics (not just USB) is designed for a very specific purpose, the human body model. It makes assumptions as to the voltages and charges available, how much energy is required to dissipate etc. The over current protections on USB also make assumptions like this. Basic things like a 50V breakdown voltages on the protection systems. Oh and the critical assumption that ground is ground and everything else is above ground.

      Since you have actual knowledge of electronics I'm not going to explain to you why this works. Search for USB Killer on Google and there's some wonderful technical discussions from when this first hit the internet.

      For extra bonus points, propose a design for a self resetting protection system capable of with standing repeated high current -200V pulses (yes that's negative, which may give you a clue as to why this is frigging hard to protect against), oh and keep the BOM under $0.5 / port and board layout area less than 5mm x 5mm.

    12. Re:Fairy dust and unicorn dreams. by BigDukeSix · · Score: 1

      If you believe it can short the motherboard, why not the screen? They share the same power supply lines.

    13. Re:Fairy dust and unicorn dreams. by Cochonou · · Score: 1

      In this case, "fried the screen" probably means damaged the video chip. The screen by itself was not destoyed, but there was no more image to display.

    14. Re:Fairy dust and unicorn dreams. by Cochonou · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, you are wrong. This kind of devices is very well capable of damaging the USB interface, provided the capacitance and the pumped voltage are high enough. You say that the human body is a big capacitor walking around, but that is not totally correct. In fact, the human body is often modeled with a 100 pF capacitor, which is not that large. Common ESD protection is not sized to protect against intentional attacks.

  26. A few bucks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since when is $56 "a few bucks"?

    1. Re:A few bucks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must live in flyover country.

    2. Re:A few bucks? by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      one coffee is a "few bucks", 10 coffees is not a few.

      --
      “Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
    3. Re:A few bucks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A few is, by definition, lower than a dozen.

  27. I can imagine by johnsmithperson123 · · Score: 1

    A lot of amused pentesters explaining to their employer that until their employees stop plugging in random USB sticks they really can't help.

  28. would this be legal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why would this be more legal compared to carrying a bottle of cyanide and putting it in any unprotected food in grocery store, restaurant etc? Yes, you can buy stuff to destroy valuable, but don't cry wolf if you lend up in jail for life.

  29. Turnabout is fair play by jenningsthecat · · Score: 1

    It would cost a bit to implement, but wouldn't be at all hard to develop: a USB port that kills 'kill sticks'. Protect the data lines, sense the way-too-high voltage coming in on said lines, and counter it with a power source having *bigger* voltage and substantial current capability. One $55 investment down the drain, and one fucktard of a vandal gets a comeuppance. Bonus points for implementing video capture, and sounding a loud piezo buzzer, as soon as the vandalism attempt is sensed.

    Of course, minus points if it accidentally fries a legitimate device plugged into the port...

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    1. Re:Turnabout is fair play by MobyDisk · · Score: 2

      Ahh, but I could make a USB kill stick that kills USB ports that kill 'kill sticks.' It would protect the data lines, sense the way-too-high voltage coming in on said lines, and counter it with a power source having *bigger* voltage and substantial current capacity.

    2. Re:Turnabout is fair play by OrangeTide · · Score: 3, Interesting

      what if my USB port detects kill sticks and sprays you with pepper spray and calls the police?

      --
      “Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
    3. Re:Turnabout is fair play by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kim's killstick kills sticks and ISB ports alike - no protection is possible.

    4. Re:Turnabout is fair play by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My USB "port" is non-functional, it is a super cap and an inductor and not physically connected to any of my electronic devices, except through an inductor to supply isolated power (output is 15kV). at worse you'll exceed the specs of the super cap, but it's a 1:1000 ratio step down so doubtful you'll manage it.

    5. Re:Turnabout is fair play by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't worry.... no one wants to kill your 10 pound laptop.

    6. Re:Turnabout is fair play by strikethree · · Score: 1

      what if my USB port detects kill sticks and sprays you with pepper spray and calls the police?

      Use Zyklon B and there will be no need to call the police afterwards. ;)

      BTW, thanks for re-enabling rm-f

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      "Someone needs to talk to the tree of liberty about its ghoulish drinking problem." by ohnocitizen
  30. Steampunk by TomClancy_Jack · · Score: 1

    You could really boost the malicious success rate by calling this a "Steampunk USB Memory Key". It does actually look pretty cool aesthetically.

  31. Fuck the laptop if you're going to jail! Geeze! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So smart! Then you get to replace your "equipment". You sure showed them! Such geniuses on Slashdot.

    If there's something on your laptop that'll get you put in jail, fined or shot, or trade secrets or whatever - fuck the laptop! Some dipshit $2,000 laptop is nothing to the $50,000+ in legal expenses you'll easily blow getting your sorry ass out of jail or protecting your property. AND YOU ARE IN JAIL getting buttfucked. And you can give some jack boot hard time in the process.

    God, some of you people are so short sighted!

    1. Re:Fuck the laptop if you're going to jail! Geeze! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If there's something on your laptop that'll get you put in jail, fined or shot, or trade secrets or whatever - fuck the laptop!

      So you're saying that someone with the forethought to bring one of these devices along with them on an airplane wouldn't have the forethought to just simply put anything that'll get you "fined, shot, jailed, whatever" on the internet, and encrypted rather than on the laptop itself?

      It's stupid no matter how you look at it.

    2. Re:Fuck the laptop if you're going to jail! Geeze! by Khashishi · · Score: 1

      Pretty sure your data is still recoverable if you fry your mobo.

    3. Re:Fuck the laptop if you're going to jail! Geeze! by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 1

      So before you travel :

      * Any data you'll need at your destination that's sensitive, you make encrypted backups
      * You store them online where you can get at them
      * You wipe your machine and install Windows on it (or OSX if it's a Mac), because those commie hacker OSs are suspicious
      * You transfer the data across the network from backup

      No-one should travel through US Customs with anything potentially sensitive, because the laws say they can search, seize, copy, do what they like.

  32. Great. There goes the public library. by Rinikusu · · Score: 1

    Someone's going to get this and fuck shit up for the lulz.

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    If you were me, you'd be good lookin'. - six string samurai
  33. Nice packaging on an old idea. by joraeim · · Score: 1

    Actually saw this developed last year by this guy https://habrahabr.ru/post/2684... via http://hackaday.com/2015/10/10...

  34. Voting Machines by seven+of+five · · Score: 1

    Just in time for November...

  35. Apple fan boy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The device maker said that Apple "voluntarily" protected its hardware."

    +1 for apple fan boys.

  36. Anecode time by justthinkit · · Score: 1

    Half a dozen of us, all kids, watching TV. Time passes. All is well. Suddenly we see a bright blue flash. The youngest kid, possibly with the help of another young one, had plugged an amputated electrical cord into the wall socket, then randomly touched the heat register. This was the house of neighbors -- they had 7 children, most adopted. So, don't leave your heat registers lying around.

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    I come here for the love
    1. Re:Anecode time by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      When I was about 9, I used to vaporize copper wires by shorting them across partially inserted plugs... the copper would sort of plate the nearby wall plate, when it didn't cover it with carbon. Quite amazing how big a wire you can do that with without tripping a 15A breaker.

  37. Budget cuts at Impossible Missions Corps. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Listen, Ethan. Budget cuts are few and far between in this organization you work for. So instead of the usual This message will self destruct in 5 seconds you will now hear the message You will insert the unmarked USB key in the slot --you *do* have it, don't you -- to proceed with destruction of the message.

    Provocateur

  38. Or use water by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just spil water into it.

  39. $56? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd pay that, assuming it has at least 32Gigs of space.

  40. Other attack vectors by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

    Other ways I can attack the copy machine.

    I could light it on fire.
    I could throw it off a building.
    I could tie a brick around it and drop it into the ocean.
    I could threaten to expose the its darkest secrets to the copy machine's family.

    --
    “Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
    1. Re:Other attack vectors by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      one that happened at place I worked, moron jumps onto glass to copy his butt, and glass breaks and he goes to ER to get shards picked out of his buttocks.

  41. Apple version by MrDoh! · · Score: 1

    Wireless, kills your device and the device killer.
    So easy
    . $249.99

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    Waiting for an amusing sig.
  42. Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hillary just ordered 500.

  43. Ah, this is /. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I almost forgot!

  44. We need a version for data protection. by ArylAkamov · · Score: 1

    The last design I examined back in 2015 used an inverting DC-DC converter. The converter would take power from the USB port to charge a capacitor bank up to -110VDC, and dumps it in the data pins, and repeats until there is no longer power to the bus. This is how it bypasses/destroys any TVS diodes.

    I would love to have a version with a hidden switch to change between data storage and kill, that destroys the data along with the computer it is plugged in to.

    Imagine the look on the thief's face when he plugs it in.

    Or the TSA, since they seem to have a thing for rummaging through your shit. I bet you could even warn them and they would laugh it off and plug it in anyways.

  45. Make a USB stick... by rossdee · · Score: 1

    out of antimatter
    It not only destroys the device you plug it into, but also the city where it is located

  46. This is why we can't have nice things. by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because there is always some asshole who feels the need to break stuff.
    These public USB Power ports were set up as a convenience for the public and the customers, so that Doctor can have his phone charged so he doesn't miss that life saving call. They are giving us free energy to power our mobile devices. The TVs to entertain us, while we are stuck waiting. But no there has to be some jerk who needs to find a way to break it. We can't have an infrastructure for new technology now, just because it can be broke.

    Now this device is just for bad people to do bad things, there is no good in it. It isn't even good enough for properly destroying technology as for the most part it will probably just damage the USB interface card and not reliably break the rest of the system.

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    If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
    1. Re: This is why we can't have nice things. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah having a fuse or breaker on your board to prevent spiking would never work.

      We can't have nice things is the worst slippery slope to tech stagnation.

    2. Re:This is why we can't have nice things. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "USB interface card"? This isn't 1998 anymore, the USB ports are connected directly on the motherboards. If you can fry the USB port, you're pretty much guaranteed to fry the whole motherboard and that includes the CPU and RAM.

    3. Re: This is why we can't have nice things. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah having a fuse or breaker on your board to prevent spiking would never work.

      No, it wouldn't, because both of those devices protect against excess current, not excess voltage.

    4. Re:This is why we can't have nice things. by Gussington · · Score: 1

      so that Doctor can have his phone charged so he doesn't miss that life saving call.

      Did you actually write that with a straight face? Any doctor that is relying on publicly available USB ports to save lives should probably look for another job.
      When I was younger and more foolish we used to go a club we didn't like, find a power point and jam a piece of thick wire in it. When you hit the switch it blows the fuses and drops power to everything on the same circuit, ie hopefully the DJ. It was good for shits and giggles, but I sure hope there weren't any doctors in those clubs charging their phones while on the emergency on-call shift.
      Yeah it was immature, but that's what being young is all about.

    5. Re:This is why we can't have nice things. by irving47 · · Score: 1

      Good thing Gizmodo's parent company has/is gone/going under... I'd hate to think what a few of their staff would do with a couple of these walking around at CES.

      http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/11/over-the-line-at-ces/

      Wow. 2008... I DO hold a grudge, don't I?

      As for chargers, I am NOT sure, but I question whether the spikes these things output could hurt a typical USB charge-only port. Probably the less sophisticated the voltage regulator inside, the better it would hold out.

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    6. Re:This is why we can't have nice things. by gTsiros · · Score: 2

      welcome to greece and other underdeveloped (mentally and socially) countries, where you can't have any conveniences because there are too many assholes that break stuff just because it's there (wouldn't that make them psychotics? There must be a DSM-V designation for people who have a habit to damage public property.) and too few people who are willing to step up to them.

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    7. Re:This is why we can't have nice things. by jellomizer · · Score: 0

      Do you have any idea on how stupid doctors are in terms of technology?
      A doctor is traveling the battery on is phone is getting low while waiting for the connecting flight he wants to charge up his phone. But no... Some idiot decided to fry the USB charging station because it makes him feel like a big man. So the phone dies.
      More to the point when technology is deployed and is expected having it broken or damaged can have extended consequences that can have a wider effect than your small mind can handle.

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      If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
    8. Re: This is why we can't have nice things. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Has Ohm's law been repealed?

    9. Re:This is why we can't have nice things. by Gussington · · Score: 2

      A doctor is traveling the battery on is phone is getting low while waiting for the connecting flight he wants to charge up his phone. But no... Some idiot decided to fry the USB charging station because it makes him feel like a big man. So the phone dies.

      What imaginary universe are you living in that someone's life is dependent on only one doctor who happens to be at an airport with a low battery, and no wall charger, only a USB cable hoping the few USB are not in use or broken, and who can save a life with just a phone conversation that no other doctor could give? Seriously, you think this is how medicine works?

      There's nothing like inventing unrealistic use cases so you can get angry about it...

  47. Buyers list will be sent to the FBI by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    Buyers list will be sent to the FBI

    1. Re:Buyers list will be sent to the FBI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stolen identities used for buying list will be sent to FBI.

  48. Wow by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    And I always just used an usb connector fixed onto one side of a 3 Meter power cable, I guess I'm too oldschool for this.

  49. Incoming Arson Charges by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When I was in 8th grade, I built something similar...it consisted of a power cable which I snipped off of some old device, with the two terminals tied together to create a short circuit. I even wrapped the end in electrical tape to protect myself from electrical shock.

    It was harmless fun tripping the circuit breakers in class, sometimes a test would get postponed...

    One day, I found the room that was wired incorrectly. After almost starting an electrical fire, I managed to smack the smoldering remains of the plug out of the wall with my shoe. A distinctive burning plastic smell permeated throughout the room of my pre-calculus class.

    It's all fun and games until someone burns down the house.

  50. You can still make this classic by Afty0r · · Score: 1
    1. Re:You can still make this classic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a standard PoE cable, right?

  51. Electrical outlets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Public electrical outlets are everywhere. I'm sure someone can create a bomb that can be plugged in.

  52. technical specs by thygate · · Score: 2

    "-200VDC is discharged over the data lines of the host device." is all it says, but the charge will be tiny, i find it doubtful that this will do anything beyond maybe fry the usb controller or possibly some diodes.

    1. Re:technical specs by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Things get mighty interesting when you draw current in the wrong direction. Certainly every example video I have all spelt the complete end of the computer. v2.0 of the device also had a video which seemed to show the end of the peripherals connected to the computer too.

    2. Re:technical specs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Didn't see the You-tube video of the concept version of this being demoed on a laptop did you? Fried the screen and board in the first pulse and took out the power system and everything else with the second (each pulse takes about a second to charge and release). These things are not pushing a 10V signal on a 5V line, they are pumping a 230V charge into the port with magnitudes more amperage than static electricity, the simple over-voltage protections on current USB ports can't protect against this.

      A real solution to a device like this will require a far more robust design on the over-volt protection on the ports. Something that can resist 200V+.

  53. don't see what it has to do with security by eyenot · · Score: 1

    i mean, sure, yeah, you can destroy anything from the device itself, to the usb port it's in, to the usb interface controller. who knows, okay let's so you can set the entire machine on fire and vaporize it in an instant and whoosh disappear from the building, end of mission. mission successful. asset destroyed.

    okay so the next morning they open up shop, see the vaporized computer, and replace it because hello redundancy.

    they not only replace the redundant hardware and all the redundant data stored on it, even while the machine was down some other machine was carrying its burden because again redundancy. sorry to be redundant but redundancy.

    way to "test" the system.

    then you wake up the next morning and overnight the local librarians were showing video tape to the cops of you plugging something at exactly the time it stopped working, and then you jet out like you've seen a ghost. or maybe you're real brave and destroyed some college property like a real professional hollyhackerwood. nice going so you're giggling into your mug full of cheerios (sick life hack yo) and down comes your front door and somebody shoots you in the heart because (1) hackers don't have quite bad enough image yet, it needs to get way iller up in hackland (2) they thought the coffee mug was a gun sorry you had to go that way my hacker compadre.

    but you kind of brought it down on yourself.

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    "Stratigraphically the origin of agriculture and thermonuclear destruction will appear essentially simultaneous" -- Lee
  54. can this wipe my laptop for the DHS? by mexsudo · · Score: 0

    can this wipe my laptop for the DHS? "here is the USB I use for unlocking it" OOPS! now what did you want to see? :-)

  55. slot machines with usb changing ports by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 2

    slot machines with usb changing ports seems like a like some may want to destroy after losing big. I do hope they have there own power source.

    1. Re:slot machines with usb changing ports by Fnord666 · · Score: 2

      slot machines with usb changing ports seems like a like some may want to destroy after losing big. I do hope they have there own power source.

      Because vandalizing a slot machine worth enough money to make it a significant felony in one of the most surveiled places in the world where it will be immediately obvious is a great idea.

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      'The tyrant will always find pretext for his tyranny.' - Aesop's Fables
  56. Remember the usb parking lot hack? by crashumbc · · Score: 1

    They left the USB in the parking lot outside a secure facility. Some idiot picked it up on his way into work. Bam they penetrated the network.

    Some asshole could leave this lying anywhere outside, some place he didn't like. neighbor pisses you off? leave it in their mailbox...

    90% of the people who found one would plug it in. Hell, I know the risks in IT security and my curiosity might even get the best of me...

    1. Re:Remember the usb parking lot hack? by Mirvnillith · · Score: 1

      AFAIK one of the ending statements in that study was that it was still easier to get people to click links in e-mails, an attack vector much cheaper and very remote.

  57. Asshole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To any asshole who purchases and uses this shit I have a bullet for you.

  58. really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is why we cant have nice things.... destroy, destroy, destroy!!

  59. Defensive Patents? by Fnord666 · · Score: 1

    Hopefully the original creator submitted a patent application and he can sue this company for monetizing his design or at least get their importation blocked at customs. Maybe there's a case to be made here for defensive patents.

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    'The tyrant will always find pretext for his tyranny.' - Aesop's Fables
  60. An opportunity by fragMasterFlash · · Score: 1

    Okay, so it is time to design a device to detect an overvoltage condition on any external I/O pin and sound a LOUD audible alert and/or send an administrative alert over Wi-Fi. Will this add cost? Yes of course, but we live in an era where the cost is justified for those who deploy electronics in public spaces.

  61. So, considering the next presidential election.... by God+of+Lemmings · · Score: 1

    I'll bet there will be a lot of voting machines destroyed with these.

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  62. Fucking really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sure, you could do this.

    A smarter man would use usb to exploit a weakness in the computer.

    Pro tip: most things are actually susceptible to shit like this. This is not news.

  63. Smart TV's? by irving47 · · Score: 1

    Anyone got a theory on what these things might do to a smart TV, or just a general-purpose TV with a slideshow feature on it that reads the USB drive? Would it likely fry the USB bus, or would this thing push through to wipe out the main board, as well?

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  64. Stop this, it's getting ridiculous by johannesg · · Score: 1

    This line of stories where any kind of physical access to a device can be abused in an unexpected and incredibly convoluted way is completely out of control. Hey guys! If you discharge a big capacitor into sensitive electronics IT BREAKS! WOW! HEADLINE!

    So let's say manufacturers, shaken awake by this completely unexpected use of their devices, now protect their electronics from this attack. Next year: "Hey guys! If you stick a 240V line directly into your USB port IT BREAKS! WOW! HEADLINE!"

    So they fix that too, although I couldn't imagine why they'd want to. The year after: "Hey guys! If you fly a metal object on a metal wire during a thunderstorm and link the metal wire directly into your USB port IT BREAKS! WOW! HEADLINE!"

    Like I said, it is getting ridiculous. Just like all those completely pointless side-channel attacks. Why, yes, if you stand next to a 3D printer, you _can_ in fact listen to it and presumably get some vague idea of what's being printed. Or you can just, you know, look at the damn device you are standing right next to. So this attack is great news for all spies who have physical access to sensitive 3D printers that are covered by blankets - and of not much use, or concern, to everyone else.

    Stop it already with the silly fear mongering. Side channel attacks that require access that would allow a far more direct attack to take place are completely pointless, and need not be reported on (or maybe we can have a summary topic every year, a "best of the stupidest" kind of thing). And discharging big capacitors tends to destroy electronics. It's not "news for nerds" and it is not "stuff that matters". But maybe this site is now "slashdot: clickbait for nerds and stuff that sounds good but has no substance whatsoever"...

  65. That's a muslim way of thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If a device has an exposed USB port -- such as a copy machine or even an airline entertainment system -- it can be used and abused, not just by a hacker or malicious actor, but also electrical attacks.

    So anything uncovered deserves what it gets? That's a muslim way of thinking.

  66. simple software fix by yes-but-no · · Score: 1

    The evil doer is first getting power from the mother ship and destroying the mother ship with that power. That is it is not self powered or has external power source. So all you do to protect yourself is don't feed someone who can turn against you. The OS should first give a little power (few milli amps for few mins say) and then ask for clear authorization; a user should approve the device etc. Else just cut off power to that USB.
    It's like you don't support (with money say) a family member or friend (say his business) who can become so powerful with your money that they can turn against you / your business.

  67. Re:So, considering the next presidential election. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    I was about to say that nobody would be stupid enough to design a voting machine with a publicly exposed USB port.

    Then I remembered who makes voting machines.

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    Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  68. ripoff. Same result is available for less money. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This tool will produce the same result:

      https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00LLM8POY

    only $18.

  69. I can do that for free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can do that for free just by jamming a couple of bare wires into a power outlet and then ramming them into the USB port.

  70. usb power supplies usually isolated by Sebastopol · · Score: 1

    I fail to see how this will damage anything other than the USB controller hub, seeing as how typically peripherals are powered by their own isolated power supply either on the board power distribution or even from the main power supply. Maybe some boards will share a line if they are poorly deisgned, but the 900mA requirement for USB2.0/3.0 almost certainly guarantees a dedicated power plane on the opposite side of a bunch of diodes to prevent exactly this. Same goes for most peripherals: rarely are outside-facing power supplies left unprotected.

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