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Apple Removed Headphone Jack From New iPhones Because It Owns Largest Bluetooth Headphone Company (theverge.com)
Apple's new iPhones -- the iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus -- don't have the headphone jack. The company's SVP Phil Schiller said the move signifies "courage" from the company to put a 100-year-old audio standard to bed. But there could be one more reason for this transition to a Bluetooth/Wireless headphones future: it owns the largest Bluetooth headphones company -- Beats. The Verge reports: More likely is that the lack of a headphone jack on the iPhone -- and increasingly, on Android phones as well -- will lead to an uptick in sales of Bluetooth headphones. And it just so happens that Apple owns the number one Bluetooth headphone company, Beats. Beats brings in more revenue from Bluetooth headphones than LG, Bose, or Jaybird, according to NPD figures released in July. In terms of unit sales, it controls over a quarter of the Bluetooth headphone market. Bluetooth headphones are also disproportionately profitable among headphones. NPD has them accounting for 54 percent of all dollars spent in the market, despite representing only 17 percent of units sold in the U.S.. These headphones sell at high prices with high margins, and Apple's company is making the best of it so far. Sales of Bluetooth headphones are already growing, with units up 64 percent year over year according to NPD's US figures. And Apple's removal of the headphone jack is likely to give them another boost.
Gasp! It's like...everything they do is about making more money! I never realized!
Well, that is one very cynical view. Of course they might have reasons that benefit users. The fact that they offer an adapter rather dispels this theory. Get good Bluetooth headphones and you won't want to go back. Hint: x.
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I don't think Apple had to drop the jack for their wireless innovations. But it does nudge users into buying products like wireless AirPods and Beats wireless headphones. So I have no doubt Apple can make more profit from selling $150 wireless AirPods over $29 wired ones. I don't think a adapter for a standard jack from the Lightning port is a reasonable solution for some. Especially if you want to charge your phone and listen through a wired connection. Guess it all depends on what your willing to accept.
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i rely on my headphones to give me perfect sound. you see, I do business on my cell phone all day long. with the move to wireless my concerns are, quality of sound. and longevity of the baterries. not sure ill stay with apple due to this move.
Apple: Oh you'll need some battery powered headphone to do that, we just happen to sell some.
Me: Screw you, I don't want to own some shitty Bluetooth headphones. Ever. I just don't like em.
First person who tells me I need to re-buy hundreds and hundreds of dollars in headphones I currently own just because of this one huge stupid flaw gets a kick in the ass. This is such a stupid reason for me to have to buy an Android phone instead of an iPhone.
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The iPhone "Jack off". Suits the product and it's customers perfectly.
Just another device to keep charged each day. i wonder how long the batteries last on these devices? I'll stay with Iphone 6 for a whiile :)
Has anyone noticed what the EarPods look like from a front view? They look like tiny white tampons hanging out of your ears.
The iphone7s is going to have a non-rechargeable, non-replaceable battery and will have a price tag of $1299.
Yeah, I know, I just gave them ideas.
Apple hasn't been at the forefront of phone development for a while. If their target market is willing to go along with "I prefer to be seen with my idevice + my beats accessory" they'll do well. If not, people will buy something else. I'll use my current iphone with headphone jack until it doesn't suit my needs anymore and then I'll just buy a product that does.
**shrug**
Almost as though Apple is taking unfair advantage of their market share for profit. If only there were laws against such a thing.
Headphones, and your ears, are analog. The signal gets converted from digital to analog before you can hear it, and is amplified. So, do you want to use the amplifier in the phone, which has a nice big battery and a powerful amplifier that can also drive the speaker, and that can easily dissipate any heat from the amplifier, or the amplifier in your headphone, which if it's an in-ear one is going to have limitations regarding the battery and the amplifier.
It is not even theoretically possible for a Bluetooth headphone to make better sound. At best, it's the same. The only benefit is that you lose the cord.
This was an astonishingly cynical move and I hope that Apple loses customers over it.
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After endless frustration and annoyance at having to deal with tangled cords and accidental yanking on the cord (leading to dropped devices, damaged headphones, or earbuds ripped out of my ears), I bought a pair of Jaybirds a long, long time ago and have never looked back. I've not had any issues with Bluetooth connectivity, and what minor inconveniences there might be, or perceived loss of sound quality, is more than made up for by the freedom from having my ears tethered to my phone.
If you're complaining about Bluetooth headphones in 2016, it's because you've bought crappy ones. Those $40 Plantronics or no-name brand you bought off Amazon are shit. While we're at it, Beats are shit too. I will never buy any Beats product. Ever. Apple can plate every last Beats product in Rose Gold and stuff it where the sun doesn't shine.
But I also don't get the hate and cynicism they've gotten for removing the headphone jack. It's a remnant of the ancient past. Like a lot of technologies, people cling to it because it's familiar, unchanged, simple. And while those are good values to have, there are better reasons to leave it behind, like not having to deal with tangled cords, and not having your screen shatter into a billion pieces because a sudden movement of your arm caught the cord, yanked on the phone, and sent it flying through the air. If you're one of those audiophiles who needs wired headphones, why are you listening to lossy compressed music on your phone, anyway?
People fear change. People hate Apple not because they desire change, but because they have a long history of forcing that change despite the resistance of users, and that resentment is more about the way it feels forced upon them, the lack of being given a choice. But in the end, Apple is proven correct more often than not. That doesn't excuse their heavy-handed tactics, of course, but this whole conspiracy-mongering is just stupid. People concocted equally paranoid theories surrounding their decisions about USB, Blu-Ray, non-removable batteries, and floppy disks.
The iPhone 8 will require special glasses to see the screen. Apple will congratulate itself for its bravery in leading the industry in such a move.
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Hurting sales of a $700 device to promote sales of a $200 device!
Why'd they really do it? Beats me.
I think the largest bluetooth headset seller is some anonymous company in China. The cheap BT headsets you can see on Amazon or Alibaba mostly all look the same, so I suspect are just barely-rebadged versions of the same thing. And surely their volume collectively exceed the sum of Beats, Bose and (never heard of them) Jaybird. And by "volume" I don't just mean units, but as the unit number is so enormous, I also mean dollars.
As for their actual motivations etc...whatever.
They may have partly bought a headphone company knowing that Bluetooth headphones were going to be a hot commodity. But it certainly ridiculous to imply they are deliberately depriving people of headphone jacks to make more money. Firstly, no one is forcing anyone to buy iPhone rather than a Google phone with headphone jack. Secondly, every iPhone still comes with wired headphones anyway, for chrissake. Thirdly, it's not as if we didn't all already know that wireless was inevitable in the first place. Wired headphones have felt like a pain in ass anachronism that we'd like to get rid of for years. Anyway, the iPhone 7 come with wired headphones. They just use different jack. What's with you people?
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I've never had any special love for Apple and especially not bluetooth anything. I read a bunch of posts there which I think this article from lifehacker mostly addresses.
tl;dr - audio compression, dead batteries, overlapping frequency ranges from other shit make bluetooth suck (although supposedly less so than in the past). I don't claim to be an expert just a reader.
Headphones do not come with 0% career financing like cell phones. Someone who owns one expensive wired pair to use at home and other for exercise may well be tempted to check out Android offerings rather than putting up with the hassle of two dongles to listen and charge at the same time.
Not surprised. Kill off all of the competition, make a "port" (lightning), patented, sell overpriced wired headphones, overpriced adapters (which initially come with the phone), or have people buy overpriced bluetooth headsets...which they own one of the best selling ones. For all of the liberal anti everything types that purchase Apple products, they forget they are a pure CAPITALIST company, cutting where they can, overcharging where they can, TO MAKE MORE MONEY.
I'm sure apple could introduce string less tampons and even guys would go out and start buying them.
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With their sales falling, profits starting to slow. This is their big move to right the ship or go under. Similar plan they had back in the day. Will history repeat itself?
Well, that is one very cynical view. Of course they might have reasons that benefit users. The fact that they offer an adapter rather dispels this theory. .
How so?
The fact they offer and adaptor for sale tends to confirm the theory rather than dispel it.
Beyond this you have two problems.
First and foremost is that people hate adaptors. They're a pain in the arse, they get lost, forgotten or stolen. They're difficult to replace at short notice (and cost a kings ransom when they can). They're also quite fragile, on a mobile device this is going to be a huge problem.
Secondly there is only one port, so this means you can charge OR use the adaptor. A lot of people only use the 3.5 mm jack for connecting to the aux in on their cars, its simpler and better quality when using nav and music applications, especially if you're using the one on the head unit and the other on the phone. This means that people wont be able to charge and use their device at the same time in the car, trust me, a lot of people will do this and rely on their commute to charge their phone. Also, they're another device you need to charge and keep charged.
Get good Bluetooth headphones and you won't want to go back. Hint: x.
Get a cheap pair of wired headphones and listen to the huge increase in quality.
I have a pair of $30 Senn HD201's which aren't particularly high end, they are far better than $300 bluetooth headphones I've used. When you're on a call I can instantly identify anyone using bluetooth as it introduces static, echos and other artefacts, the cheaper devices also introduce noticeable delays.
Bluetooth produces a noticeable drop in audio quality due to compression which is due to limited bandwidth.
I'm sorry that you've drunk the cool aid and need to defend everything that Apple does, but they've seriously screwed up here.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
If you really care about audio quality, you should be pretty excited about headphones that can draw power from the lightning connecter... that allows for better processing, better noise cancellation, and so on all for headphones that never need a battery.
I was pretty excited by the noise cancelling Bose I got a few years ago. I still use them every day at work and they have a battery that requires charging.
It can plug into my computer, my mixing desk and my phone.
I see nothing but inconvenience coming from this.
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If you really care about audio quality, you should be pretty excited about headphones that can draw power from the lightning connecter... that allows for better processing, better noise cancellation, and so on all for headphones that never need a battery.
That's something that couldn't happen if Apple stuck with audio jacks.
This doesn't make sense. The DAC is the most important component of digital audio quality. Moving it to the headphones does none of these things (digital processing is still in the phone) and takes the control of audio quality entirely out of Apple's hands. This seems counter to their general philosophy.
As for the wireless part, it seems like Apple is trying to make that as nice as possible, with as high a quality as possible. That too is better if you care about audio at all.
So why so down on such an obvious improvement that helps wired AND wireless users?
This also doesn't make sense. Bluetooth compression is known for reducing audio quality, even if you ignore the various reported connectivity issues.
Replacing an old standard without an improved solution (even if proprietary) is very unlike Apple. My only conclusion is this is a money grab. It shows them struggling to differentiate themselves in the market. I think they may have jumped the shark.
And the most impressive part is how completely, utterly terrible Beats headphones actually are!
Really, go and try some reasonable Sennheiser, Koss, AKG, Pioneer, hell even Sony...
Beats are just plain out terrible, especially for the money.
But then owners are not buying sound are they, ts all about a stylized 'b' on the ears...
The number of people I have donated older Sennheiser phones to who have then given away their
much more expensive Beats amazes me. PX200 for travel, HD280Pro for home. both cheap 2nd hand.
But, yes the move by apple is rather transparent.
#1, take attention off the lack of other improvements in the 7 by doing something controversial.
#2, improve Beats/Apple profit by gouging the fanbase even more.
It seems thats what passes for innovation these days - that and crying over un(fairly)paid tax being called in.
Sad, really.
Pity it violates the Apple standard for the Lightning connector..
Without supplying external power you are specifically NOT allowed to provide an additional lightning connector.
I am sure it works, but Apple may or may not end up allowing it.
My bet is they will just quietly demand their 'cut' behind the scenes, and they will have their own version soon.
Its a joke they didnt have enough consideration for their users to know this would be a requirement for a lot of people.
So, if I own an iPhone, Apple Watch, and now earbuds I have three things to charge everyday. This is wearisome. Could someone please make headphones and phones and watches that only need to be charged once a year? Not to mention, I have two things to keep up with now (two earbuds) vs. once set of tangled cords that doesn't need to be re-charged. Everything is a tradeoff, but for me, I am weary of charging.
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If you really care about audio quality, you should be pretty excited about headphones that can draw power from the lightning connecter... that allows for better processing, better noise cancellation, and so on all for headphones that never need a battery.
Hi there! Having participated in the design (and continuing to do so) of more than a few VERY high-end powered headphones, I can tell you that a 1500-1800 mAhr battery is pretty standard these days. And that's needed for a 12-15 hour run time. That translates to about 125-150 mA draw from the battery. The Lightning connector only allows 100 mA. So something will have to give (hopefully it's the god-awful capsense and LED indicators people love to load up on their headphones). You only get so much power from that connector...
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Once again Apple has changed the field with another innovation. They have now redefined the meaning of "courage".
This doesn't make sense. The DAC is the most important component of digital audio quality.
Yes, exactly!!!!
EXACTLY!!!
takes the control of audio quality entirely out of Apple's hands.
That's why you should be excited, because while many headphone makers may do a worse job than Apple, there will be a handful that are now able to do a much BETTER job. Instead of fixing up audio they can work with it more directly.
If you still want Apple level of quality in audio, you can use Apple headphones/earbuds...
Bluetooth compression is known for reducing audio quality
And how do you know when Apple gear is paired with Apple equipment they are using Bluetooth in that way... bluetooth is just a data stream.
even if you ignore the various reported connectivity issues.
Apple has a lot of experience though with high-quality bluetooth devices.
Replacing an old standard without an improved solution (even if proprietary) is very unlike Apple.
It sure is unlike Apple, which is why you should think really really really hard about what they have done.
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This is an example on how moronically ignorant a lot of people really are. They think that things should not evolve, change or improve.
Here is some little fact to the morons complaining about a jack .... feel free to stay in the 1940's (when the jack became popular) while the rest of the world moves into the future.
And, forcing everyone to use bluetooth, so they can sell more Beats bluetooth headphones, is exactly why there's no way to plug regular headphones into the iPhone 7. This is why they don't even include a free adapter in the box with each and every single iPhone.
Oh, hang on a minute...
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That's the problem I see as well. With more and more stuff cluttering the 2.4GHz spectrum, Wifi inparticular if the owner hasn't set their router up to use 5GHz, the bluetooth chipsets in audio devices are going to have to be real agressive to maintain a steady connection.
There are only 40 channels available and some devices use MIMO tech to boost speed.
Apple may/will make money out of that move. Ok. But of course tons of competitors anticipated the jack removal and made other BT devices, cheaper than Beats. The jack is that long and old piece of equipment that had to be removed at some point. This is a logical evolution. Next will be the lightning port (replaced with induction). Whatever Apple does, a plethora of "critiboys" (the opposite of fanboys) has to open their mouth loudly. Nope, critiboys are no better than fanboys.
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Beats is also the worst value for your dollar. They're ridiculously overpriced, and not that good. The only people who buy this stuff are people with more money than sense.
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Er, but they could've done that already. Lightning audio output already works, doesn't it?
Yes, it does, since iOS 5.1.1: http://www.apogeedigital.com/p... (and many others)
Anyways, Apple's built-in DACs are widely known for being better than almost anyone else's. I'm not an audiophile, and I never had to worry about whether the random headphones or stereo system or speakers I had on hand had a quality DAC, but now I do - and it'll cost more to boot (especially for a mediocre one, let alone one as good as the one Apple used to have).
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that maybe but unless they lock a custom blue tooth signal you can use any blue tooth device including speakers/headsets/headphones/file trasfering of any brand. ive been using bluetooth headsets for a long time its no skin off my back and it sound fine to me. im more woried about what i hear about bending because of how thin they are.
Let us be a bit pragmatic about this by analysing the electronics and the data stream.
I'm a fan of the jack because it allows me to choose the headphones. The only thing I don't have control over is the DAC in the phone.
For general listening Beats are a heavy headphone and after seeing a construction breakdown on /. some time ago found their specs to be average. A good set of senheiser headphones would be a better investment. Bose look and sound good however I had a hard time tracking down specs last time I was shopping. I'm pretty fussy and my headphones have a response range 16Hz - 28kHz and handle 200mw of power. I have to wear them alot for mixing so they have to be leightweight and they also have interesting features like auto muting when I take them off. I found AKGs to be perfect here.
Apple's decision means I can choose higher quality DACs for headphones however it also means the end of the era for lightweight quality headphones as it means these devices will have to carry a battery, receiver, DAC, amplifier *AND* audio membrane. More likely, significantly more functionality.
Considering iTunes accepts music at 96Khz for the masters it is likely this is the next phase of innovation Apple is suggesting where DAC converter in headphone technology improve as consumer grade headphones are able to process higher bitrates with better sound quality and still deliver an enjoyable power delivery and battery life. What it means for people like me is that my high quality gear exposes the limitations of the phone.
It also means all the associated DAC technology on the phone only has to match the bandwidth of the phone's speakers. I can see why this is a plus for manufacturers as I doubt the DAC in many phones now could deliver the dynamic range that my AKGs can handle and the only way to improve that is to have better DACs and amplifiers on the phone. By not having to have that shootout with other phone manufacturers all manufacturers reduce cost, complexity and, power consumption of their phones.
However it also means the end of private analogue connection to the phone as locally eavesdroping on unencrypted bluetooth connections becomes more probable.
This is a new type of market, that apple is creating because now they race is to produce phone headphones that are hyped or actually can deliver quality audio to consumers at a rate more frequent than the delivery of a new phone. Neither bad or good, but a change to the market for headphones.
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Bose could have owned the BT market but acted too slowly.
Apple removed the port. They include an adapter with every phone. Get the fuck over it already and move on.
Jesus, the fucking anti-Apple crowd is more vocal about Apple than the fanboys.
Apple would probably make more money selling BT to the Android Market if it was really that big of a BT supplier. Sounds like propaganda headlines to me.
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TL;DR = Removing TRSS jack makes disabling hot mics possible "only" with adapter. Apple's marketing team perhaps?
If you care about audio quality you use a USB DAC+Headphone amp, and a real pair of wired headphones.
If you care about convenience, there were plenty of BT headphones before, this just removes the option for people who find wires more convenient than fiddling with headphone batteries.
Speaking of DACs, can anyone recommend a good USB => line level DAC, instead of a headphone amp? I want something to hook speakers to rather than headphones, and paying for a headphone amp just to get the DAC seems wasteful.
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Apple has often brought 'Innovation' in form of new jakcs often even incompatible ones. Now they removed one perfect standard plug again. And some Android phones, especially from Samsung, will also skip the old jack. But they are not the only ones. In recent PC hardware the sound quality of the analog output is degrading . It is in fact an industry thing. USB and Bluetooth headsets bring in more money and computers can get cheaper, was they do not need a real audio device.
Actually, they're widely known for being less crappy than other devices in their price class; there's a difference. From what I remember, Apple stopped being known for good built-in audio quality when they stopped building their own audio chipsets at or around the time of the Intel transition. Everything since then has been a significant compromise to keep costs down.
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I never used the headphone jack on my phone. While I go running, I use a BT headset and my car also has BT connectivity.
Besides, an adapter is included. It's not that big of a drama.
The biggest complainers fall in the category of either:
- "I will never buy an iPhone, but now it lost the headphone jack, I will certainly NEVER going to buy one!!", raging fists included.
- People who consider everyone who buys this as "dumb" or "sheeple". However, the missing audio-jack is not a deal-breaker for most current iPhone users. There are lots of other interesting upgrades that makes current iphone users consider upgrading.
- People who, for some reason, are offended that other people buy products that they personally don't like.
The only users who have real reasons to complain, are the ones who use both the audio-jack and the lightbolt adapter at the same time (like when your car doesn't have BT yet, and use the aux-in option). But that's like 1 or 2 percent of the current iPhone users.
Oh, and I'm not an Apple "fanboy" btw, so spare me the insults
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The last time I bought in-ear headphones I had to choose if I wanted them for an iPhone or a Samsung phone, what standard are we talking about? And even then the remote is still very limited, this will change now.
It just fits.
Also, you can do data and power over the headphone jack, as well as an FM antenna. It's not rocket science, just an extension of the button controls we already have.
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I think this one would be pretty good.
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earbuds are only good to listen to podcasts and audiobooks
well, i guess if you listen to hip hop and all that crap then yeah, those little pathetic things are enough, but technically, its not music soooo...
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So I wear the 'wired' version of apples earphones during extended training sessions. They cheap and generally stay in place, but the reality is over a 2-3 hour training session they slip out. I cannot imaging wearing the AirPods, I just fear they'll fall out. I'm sure they'll be a 3rd party solution to this, but they just don't seem the right type of practical.
So Apple release a new Phone. And they ditched the headphone jack. Both a big freakin' deal apparently. Chill out. Jesus HB Christ. It's new shiny nice and Apple, and just as obscenely expensive as the last one, if not more so. Big hairy surprise. Here's a secret tip: If you don't like the product, don't buy it.
I won't. I'm perfectly happy with my still new (barely a year old) 130 Euro Moto G2. Which actually has a higher resolution camera than that new iPhone btw. And, yes, I *do* use Apple products.
As for removing the jack:
It actually makes perfect sense if you want to make your phone reliably water-resistant and remove ancient analog technology that uses gobs of space. Phil Schillers reasoning for the move was as conclusive and sensible, as the sidewank about 'courage' was silly.
Their wireless headphone offering that comes with it looks impressive too. I wouldn't buy, because I've always considered wireless stuff (including WLAN) a flaky stopgap for surfing at the cafe at best and the entire wireless hype more trouble than it's worth (my next mouse will be wired again, that's how bad the newest logitech offerings suck), but as far as wireless earbuds go, those new ones from apple probably are the best you can get.
As for iPhone updates, I personally was way more impressed by them adding their taptic engine thingie to the iPhone and removing the physical home button. Also to reduce gaps in the case. Which leads actually to one of the biggest and notable updates to the iPhone: It now is water-resistant and probably will survive an accidental plunge into the sink. Actually a true selling point in my book. ... But again, I'm not buying, because I think spending 200+ Euros more on my phone than on my most powerful laptop is a little ridiculous. Especially with nigh similar offerings from the android camp that cost roughly a 6th of an iPhone.
Bottom line:
Could we now just move on and cut a little down on the free hype Apple is getting? They're the richest company already and they already sold a billion iPhones - so on that alone I guess they know what they are doing.
My 2 cents.
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http://en-uk.sennheiser.com/mo... isn't exactly low-end, 600mAH battery, up to 22 hours life (according to a cnet review).
So there's room to improve even on those without getting close to hitting the lightning connector cap.
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"More likely is that the lack of a headphone jack on the iPhone -- and increasingly, on Android phones as well..." OK, what Android phones DON'T have an audio jack? Maybe some obscure brand/model nobody has ever heard of, but on every Android phone I see being sold by T-Mobile, AT&T, Sprint, Verizon, and everybody else, there is an audio jack. So why the "and increasingly, on Android phones as well"? As to BT headphones, I've yet to find one I'd use. I've bought many of them, from expensive Bose, Beats, Sennheiser, on down. Every one of them has the same problem: dropouts. Annoying frequent audio dropouts unless I hold my phone right up next to them, which defeats the purpose. And this is with several models of phones from various manufacturers. BT works great for car audio system, but for headphones, a big NOPE. Give me a good wired model.
Because this doesn't help wired users at all. It forces them into a bullshit dongle that they have to remember to bring with them everywhere. And if you lose it? Apple will gladly fleece you for another one, just to get back functionality that Johnny Ive deigned to remove, because he's got an ass-backwards sense of usability. And no, I'm not excited that Apple's taking away even more control from their users and putting even more power drain on the phone. Everyone that cared about good quality audio were already using external DACs to begin with, with their own power supply. And every last one of them connected over 3.5. So no, this is far from an obvious improvement. It's a sign that Apple has lost it's fucking mind or backbone, because they need to start telling Sir Scumbag Ive to fuck off.
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What we found when measuring those (and the Momentum 2.0 - got lucky, got them both before they were recalled) was that you could get about 18-19 hours of ANC on-time when wired (you turn the unit on, and ANC is always on). When paired with Bluetooth and streaming audio, it was closer to 8-10 hours.
IIRC, the Momentum uses a CSR8670 main module (Bluetooth, charging, control) that pulls around 22 mA when running (13 mA with no streaming or playing of audio, just on and connected). It uses a separate AMS 3435 for ANC purposes, but that's a really low power device, using about 8 mA not including what's needed to power the speakers. Audio was sourced from line-in or Bluetooth, through the 8670, then into the 3435 to use its amplifiers.
With everything running, you were pulling around 50 mA (LEDs, amplifier overhead, other functions consuming power) and it would shut down when you got down to 3.4V - which would take around 8-10 hours depending upon how loud you played it.
Add in things like cap sense, extra LEDs, remote control via BLE, discrete amplifiers, and the MFi/interface circuitry itself (which isn't minimal - the Lightning Audio Module typically pulls 10 mA for that processing alone) and you quickly ramp up to 100 mA - or more. And those kinds of features are found on things like the Parrot Zik, Samsung LevelOver, Beats Studio Wireless, etc.
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Are there any security concerns with this? Going to wireless opens more opportunity for hijacking the signal. Is this a gift to those who want less encryption?
You have to work at a special place. Where I work no one has wireless headphones. All use wired. Some tried wireless but it sucked with bad audio and constant loss of connection due to interference.
Remember their first bashing -- for removing the command line interface in favor of a GUI and mouse. Remember when they removed the floppy drive. Remember when they removed the optical drive Remember when they removed the mechanical keyboard on phones Remember when they removed Flash from phones. Now, they're removing the headphone jack. They're going to do more things like this. It's what they do to build what they believe are better machines. Building what they believe are better machines is how they make money.
If you care about convenience, there were plenty of BT headphones before, this just removes the option for people
Since it doesn't remove anything (traditional audio jack adaptor ships in the box), it simply adds another level of choice which is Lightning connected headphones. And makes the phone better for the majority of people who no longer use the audio jack.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
First they came for the CLI, and I did not speak out—
Because mouses were cute.
Then they came for the floppy drive, and I did not speak out—
Because I had already gone hard.
Then they came for the optical drive, and I did not speak out—
Because I got my movies from the Pirate Bay.
Then they came for the mechanical keyboard on my phone, and I did not speak out—
Because I have fat fingers.
Then they came for Flash, and I did not speak out—
Because I was busy dealing with a Flash ad virus.
Then they came for the headphone jack — and I can't really be bothered
Thank you for the interesting response... it seems like the numbers are close enough that like you say, they could drop a few LEDs, or simply use someone more efficient chips in the headphones to carry on without batteries. I figured it was not much but then most of the noise cancelling headphones I have had have run forever on a double (now single) AAA battery.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Who would possibly buy a computer without a floppy drive?
Absurd.
Wireless headphones is not even the best part of removing the last century port.
But I will let you morons figure it out for yourselves.
Good points. I also wonder if high impedance headphones have a chance of being powered adequately, either through the lightning connector or the 3.5 mm converter dongle. I would suspect the answer is no in both cases.
IMO Apple should have waited one more iteration, because Bluetooth 5 is just around the corner and will have HD audio as part of the spec and there would be less issues, better compatibility with other device.... Wait, nevermind. I see what they did there.
Speaking of DACs, can anyone recommend a good USB => line level DAC, instead of a headphone amp? I want something to hook speakers to rather than headphones, and paying for a headphone amp just to get the DAC seems wasteful.
Anything with an S/PDIF fibre optic or coax connector will do. Most of the better quality external sound cards have them.
Yeah, because carrying around dongles is so convenient.
The iPhone 7 reminds me of an old Motorola phone I had that was capable of playing MP3s. In order to use headphones with them, I had to use a micro USB to jack plug dongle. It sucked then and now Apple is bringing the iPhone 7 straight into the year 2006!
Stupid iTards will pay anything for their status symbol. Apple should raise the price 10 fold. Smart people still have dumb phones and don't waste their lives texting non friends, who don't give a crap about their lives.
A dongle is not a port.
You don't need to remove a port to offer lightning headphones.
Next you'll be arguing 1-button mice are better.
There's really no upside to remove the port, is the sad thing. There are thinner phones with headphone jacks. There's always dead space to fit the port, so you're not getting battery life. Waterproof headphone jacks are old hat. This is just Apple being either malicious or stupid.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
this is just proof that people are stupid, because beats are terrible and overpriced
Apple removed the jack, and will eventually remove all buttons because they are working toward a monolithic slab, with wireless data, audio, video and charging, smooth and waterproof.
Dear Apple
I plug more than just headphones into the headphone jack.
I use it to plug into large sound systems and I don't want a stupid dongle.
I love the iPhone, but I won't be replacing mine until you either bring back the jack or bring out a Bluetooth 3.5mm box
I'm pretty sure you won't find a high quality line-level USB DAC that doesn't also have a headphone amp. They pretty much all do. Even this one here, which is about the cheapest decent one you can get, has a headphone amp. However, what it doesn't have is a volume control that messes with the levels coming out of the RCA sockets - which I presume is what you wanted since you were asking for line-level outputs.
Whatever you do, don't buy one of those tiny USB DACs with just a couple of 3.5mm jacks on them. They are universally terrible.
Anything with an S/PDIF fibre optic or coax connector will do
If you use the digital out, you're not using the DAC, now are you?
Yes, it's about pseudo-improvements with phoney excuses:
Old Jack vs new lightning? (Though it fits both ways up, lightning is small fiddly, cheap and proprietary) ;
Wired vs wireless? (So now we must recharge wireless buds/pods, lose an efficient analog wire antenna, or use clumsy dongles and lose a charging option? the list goes on..) ;
Waterproof while saving space? (pull the other ones, as with fiddly nano-sim?), all for a few cubic mm?... to free up cubic cm of power-hungry components? :
Give us low-power screens, power-efficient, well designed, lightweight apps and efficient OS, and how about aiming for smaller batteries through less bloat?
While Apple gloats over its first-mover advantage in upcoming logging and tracking for headphones/buds/pods using our data plans, a dubious silver lining for iPhone users will be that Samsung-Android aren't as cool, with the exception of the Galaxy Note, before the latest model caught fire.
Focusrite Scarlet 2i2 works great for me.