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Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer Led Illegal Purge of Male Employees, Lawsuit Charges (mercurynews.com)

A prominent local media executive fired from Yahoo last year has filed a lawsuit accusing CEO Marissa Mayer of leading a campaign to purge male employees. "Mayer encouraged and fostered the use of (an employee performance-rating system) to accommodate management's subjective biases and personal opinions, to the detriment of Yahoo's male employees," said the suit by Scott Ard filed this week in federal district court in San Jose. From a MercuryNews article: Ard, who worked for Yahoo for 3 and a half years until January 2015, is now editor-in-chief of the Silicon Valley Business Journal. His lawsuit also claims that Yahoo illegally fired large numbers of workers ousted under a performance-rating system imposed by Mayer. That allegation was not tied to gender. Yahoo spokeswoman Carolyn Clark said Yahoo couldn't comment on pending litigation, but she defended the company's performance-review process, which she said was guided by "fairness." "Our performance-review process was developed to allow employees at all levels of the company to receive meaningful, regular and actionable feedback from others," Clark said. "We believe this process allows our team to develop and do their best work. Our performance-review process also allows for high performers to engage in increasingly larger opportunities at our company, as well as for low performers to be transitioned out."

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  1. Cue the feminists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Cue the feminists to start pointing out that it's impossible to be sexist against white males because we all site at the top of the power hierarchy. Cue the feminists to also call this guy a whiner and tell him to suck it up.

    1. Re:Cue the feminists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Dude. There are no feminists on this web site.

    2. Re:Cue the feminists by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Dude. There are no feminists on this web site.

      Actually there are - both male and female. However, achieving equality isn't in the SJW's agenda, and the definition of feminist has been transformed into something ugly and repulsive to many of both sexes.

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    3. Re:Cue the feminists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Dude. There are no feminists on this web site.

      LIke hell.

      I bet some of them are even female.

      The others are pussified sitzpinklers who wonder why all the HAWT women go for masculine MEN.

    4. Re:Cue the feminists by Torontoman · · Score: 1, Troll

      It's easy to drop feminism and feminists into the same category as treehugger and right-to-lifers because of the fanatic element. There are people who wake up every day and hate well off white men simply because they're well off white men with no effort to understand the point of how they got to be where they were. They give the movement a bad name.

    5. Re:Cue the feminists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Cue the butt-hurt misogynists to immediately start making strawman arguments about what feminists are supposedly going to do.

      Oh, wait, no need to cue that. It started with the first goddamn post.

    6. Re:Cue the feminists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      There are people who wake up every day and hate well off white men simply because they're well off white men with no effort to understand the point of how they got to be where they were.

      Many if not most of those got where they are largely because were born into a household headed by another well-off white man.

    7. Re:Cue the feminists by fche · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Would you count "good parenting" or "being taught hard-work american values" or "not being a single-parent family" as the sort of unfair advantage that you would complain about as being a racist/sexist unequal-outcome phenomenon?

    8. Re:Cue the feminists by rockout · · Score: 2

      I'm so confused, I don't know which of these parent posters I'm supposed to hate and which one I'm supposed to give mod points to!

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    9. Re:Cue the feminists by fche · · Score: 1

      > Before the 1960s, many more Black families also fit that description than now

      What happened to them & their descendants? Or are you suggesting that the 1960s broke up all-american hard-working black nuclear families?

    10. Re:Cue the feminists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Feminism falls within that as Al Qaeda falls within Islam and Westboro Baptist Church falls within Christianity.

      On this note, there is no such thing as a bad or a good feminist. There are just feminists who are too lazy or unwilling to self-regulate their collective, and other feminists.
      To automatically vocally denounce a feminist for acting radically or unbecoming of the ideal, is to only pull No True Scotsman arguments for the purpose of shedding the responsibility to self-regulate your movement.
      The idea that feminism is infallible is precisely what makes it such a hated and crappy movement, and it's also what produces egoistic and narcissistic tendency within the movement. And to state that feminist definition has been "twisted" just so the precious label can remain infallible and pure, is precisely the kind of mentality which only further blemishes feminism.
      The crux of the matter is, anyone who labels themselves a feminist is not fighting for equal rights, because people who fight for equal rights aren't in need of worthless labels or worthless label defending.
      They are out there in the field doing shit, rather than playing Internet warrior from a chair scouring through Twitter for their next male (and even female as of late) target to "shame" and defame because they have different opinions.

      Internet feminists are just plain garbage.

    11. Re:Cue the feminists by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Or are you suggesting that the 1960s broke up all-american hard-working black nuclear families?

      Sadly, pretty much yeah. The Great Society social programs of the 1960's (that perversely rewarded single parent households), combined with the get-tough-on-crime/War on Drugs policies of the 1980's (that began incarcerating black men at an unprecedented rate) pretty much destroyed the traditional black family.

      Today, two-thirds of black kids live in single-parent households and 72% of them are born out of wedlock. Conversely, only 1 in 4 white kids live in single-parent households and only 25% of them are born out of wedlock.

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    12. Re: Cue the feminists by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Don't forget the ULTIMATE evil in the world: White HETEROSEXUAL men. I shudder to think of them plotting all their evil deeds.

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    13. Re:Cue the feminists by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Can't comment on the Feminists or the Westboro church, but al Qaeda (and ISIS) fall very much within Islam

    14. Re:Cue the feminists by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Except in this case, Marissa Meyer *IS* the power at Yahoo. So she absolutely has the power to oppress men under her. The argument that women somehow can't oppress men because men have all the power is fucking laughable when a woman is CEO and is calling all the shots. What, do you think the men getting fired had some hidden patriarchy superpowers they could use to stop Meyer and her toadies from firing them?

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    15. Re:Cue the feminists by fche · · Score: 1

      "pretty much destroyed the traditional black family"

      But I wasn't asking about the statistical average concept of the black family. I was asking about the particular black families that a GGGP suggested were doing fine (in the all-american hard-working nuclear sense) before the 1960s. (It would not surprise me that the formation of -new- families would be impacted by social upheaval etc.)

    16. Re:Cue the feminists by lgw · · Score: 2

      Most well off white men I know came from poor families but are very talented in their domains. They also so happen to be my friends or family.

      In my family, my parent's generation were very uneducated and poor. Some not even a high school degree. I didn't even have a TV until I was a pre-teen. But in my family at my generation, we now have a few millionaires, a few MDs who graduated top of their class, and several PHDs and Masters. Two things both sides of my family hold highly, wit and trying your best, but don't forget to relax.

      This. There are quite a few well-off white men in my circle of friends now. None of us had all 3 of well-to-do family, two-parent household, and college degree. I'd say 1 of those 3 things is average - a disreputable bunch of trailer trash, hillbillies, and logging camp refuse if I ever saw one. But we made good, mostly in technical fields though there's the one CEO and the one MBA. Everyone else well-off I know is a first or second-generation immigrant.

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    17. Re:Cue the feminists by epyT-R · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, the feminism that is defining policy in government and large institutions is increasingly coming into line with that 'fanatic element,' largely thanks to it running unchecked through academia like diarrhea through diseased intestines.

    18. Re:Cue the feminists by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      On this note, there is no such thing as a bad or a good feminist. There are just feminists who are too lazy or unwilling to self-regulate their collective, and other feminists.

      If you want to see how stupid that is, just substitute a different collection of people for "feminists". Like, e.g. Americans, men, women, Christians, Atheists, etc...

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    19. Re: Cue the feminists by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Queen Mary I, nicknamed Bloody Mary.

      Dumb fuck. Four hundred and sixty three years ago, "Bloody Queen Mary" killed 284 heretics. Henry the VIII killed 72,000, but the nicknames are "Bloody" Queen Mary and "Bluff" King Hal.

      That's what's known as "male privilege".

      Hitler kills six million Jews, and there's still Nazi cosplay going on. Here, for example. Check these guys out at the Nevada Trump rally:

      http://www.rawstory.com/2016/1...

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    20. Re: Cue the feminists by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Genghis Khan, Pol Pot, Joseph Kony, Sadam Hussein, ISIS, Osama Bin Laden, and pretty much all these guys

      Those guys were pikers compared to Hitler and Stalin. And were all heterosexual men.

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    21. Re: Cue the feminists by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Of course a list that's specifically of Nazis is going to have all white men on, though we'll never know how many homosexuals.

      But you wanted minority tyrants. Where are Robert Mugabe, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, and Sayyid Qutb on your list?

    22. Re: Cue the feminists by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      But you wanted minority tyrants

      No, I wanted women who are murderous tyrants who killed tens of thousands to tens of millions. But you already know that and are just trying to turn this into a race war.

      The best you can come up with is Queen Mary, who killed some 200-something four hundred and sixty-three years ago and is still compared unfavorably to "Bluff King Hal" who killed 72,000.

      Genocide is just part of male privilege, I guess.

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    23. Re: Cue the feminists by elrous0 · · Score: 2

      You must have missed Biljana Plavsic's war crimes trial.

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    24. Re: Cue the feminists by murdocj · · Score: 1

      Idi Amin? The leaders of the Khmer Rouge? A variety of African and Indian leaders during various ethnic cleansings? Your list is a list of German officials... not too surprised they are white men.

    25. Re:Cue the feminists by Plus1Entropy · · Score: 1

      What about 8 out of the 11 members of Yahoo's Board of DIrectors? The CEO is not "the power" at a company, they serve at the discretion of the Board.

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    26. Re: Cue the feminists by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      You must have missed Biljana Plavsic's war crimes trial.

      Biljana Plavi is no more a war criminal than George Bush or Dwight Eisenhower. She fell on the sword and went to the Hague voluntarily so she would take the punishment instead of her country.

      She's a national hero in Belgrade.

      Come on. You can do better than Biljana Plavi.

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    27. Re:Cue the feminists by Z80a · · Score: 1

      You can't call SJWs feminists because they don't act like feminists or truly follow the theory etc..
      They are a literal cult formed on top of extreme collectivism and the so called white guilt etc..
      Doing so only allows em to usurp the title for their evil deeds as they been doing for quite a while.

    28. Re:Cue the feminists by Toonol · · Score: 1

      There are no females on this website (at least genetically). There are a fair number of feminists and SJWs.

    29. Re:Cue the feminists by Toonol · · Score: 1

      This is the truth. Black families have suffered greatly at the hands of ill-advised social programs. I presume they were mostly well-intentioned, but the outcome was certainly negative.

    30. Re:Cue the feminists by ATMAvatar · · Score: 1

      Let's not pretend that access to family connections, better schools, and better resources don't have any influence on success. In some cases (e.g., Trump, GWB), they are literally handed success by their families and need only keep it.

      That's not to say that all successful people have those advantages, but we are specifically talking about people who were born with them here.

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    31. Re:Cue the feminists by KingBenny · · Score: 1

      ceci n'est pas une blague omg ... i was just thinking yesterday if i operated telesales id only hire women and gay people cos its impossible to be sexist if you discriminate straight white guys right (at the risk of sounding trump-ist, which i'm not, my enemies are hippiecrites and gremmar nazis regardles of cunt, dick, colour or religion)
      and there we go ... it's a bitch conspiracy
      well, i could use a laugh after a week like this .. and there it is, my prayer answered, now my life is fixed and by tomorrow i'll have buffet money
      still funny = lulz

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    32. Re:Cue the feminists by Boronx · · Score: 1

      Cue all the troglodytes who trash any woman who complains about sexism in the tech industry to jump to the defense of the men of Yahoo.

    33. Re: Cue the feminists by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      If you think Biljana Plavi is a national hero, there is no point trying to reason with you any further. The kool-aid you've imbibed by the bucket-full is far too powerful for anyone to get through to.

      You just keep telling yourself that women can't be every bit as vicious and evil as men, given the chance. While you're at it, maybe you can wishful think the Cubs into a World Series win too.

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    34. Re:Cue the feminists by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure the Board doesn't have any say in the day-to-day decisions at Yahoo. If the CEO wants to fire a bunch of men, the only thing the board could do about it would be to fire the CEO--which would be a tacit admission that they were stupid to appoint her in the first place and likely cause a huge stock loss and major PR backlash as well. So good luck with waiting for *that* to happen.

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    35. Re: Cue the feminists by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      What has being born out of wedlock got to do with anything?

      It's a clear and stunning indicator of the disintegration of the traditional black family, as referenced in the OP. This isn't an issue of freedom here. We're talking about desperate mothers living in poverty with no husband around to help pay the bills or help raise their children. In case you haven't heard, the poverty rate for black women in the U.S. is about 30%.

      The morality isn't the issue here either. I couldn't give a fuck less about that. It's the practical matter that it's a fuck-ton lot harder to raise kids when you're dirt poor and alone. Believe me, I've seen it up close and personal, and the results ain't pretty.

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    36. Re: Cue the feminists by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Check these guys out at the Nevada Trump rally:

      FYI, they've already been discovered as CTR shills. Bet you didn't see that on the news anywhere.

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    37. Re: Cue the feminists by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      No you didn't, you wanted women and PoC. Easy enough to find the latter. Pol Pot, imperial Japan, Suharto of Indonesia, the Rwandan genocide, the Ottoman genocide of Armenians etc etc. I do wonder. Do you expect all white men to take responsibility for Hitler? A lot of white men died at his hands and a lot of white men died to defeat him.

    38. Re: Cue the feminists by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      Yeah they used to be interested in solving very real societal problems instead of organising Twitter mobs against someone for wrongthink and demonizing 3.5 billion people every time a man does something bad.

    39. Re: Cue the feminists by easyTree · · Score: 1

      One might argue that labelling a spectrum of motivations and behaviors with a single term is unhelpful.

    40. Re: Cue the feminists by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      While you're at it, maybe you can wishful think the Cubs into a World Series win too.

      YOU'LL EAT THOSE WORDS YOU MONSTER.;

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    41. Re: Cue the feminists by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      No you didn't, you wanted women and PoC.

      Here is what I said:

      "In fact, let's go back in history and find all the women who slaughtered millions of people. Find a woman leader of color, queen, empress, etc who committed mass murder. Please, go ahead. I'll wait here."

      Maybe you can do better than your compatriots.

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    42. Re: Cue the feminists by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Even ignoring the multiple examples others have quoted to you, what the fuck is your point here?

      Are you suggesting we should avoid marginalising and discriminating against white men, in case they react and respond badly?

      Are you suggesting that there's a racial and gender related predisposition to excelling at a given task, even when it's an evil one?

      Are you suggesting that blanket policies against people based on their race and sex are appropriate because of something that happened 80 years ago?

      Or are you just being a complete cunt.

    43. Re: Cue the feminists by Cederic · · Score: 1

      There are ni laws against discrimination of women like those that many feminists are pushing for. There are laws against discrimination. Not exclusively against discrimination of woman.

      Hmm. It's too easy:
      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-e...

      Of course, there's also the horrendous discrepancy between the law, and the law as it's applied.

    44. Re:Cue the feminists by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      Do you have any idea how difficult it is to be the outlier, to keep your children's head above that water? It sounds like you do not, and have little empathy or curiosity about the way others live.

    45. Re: Cue the feminists by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      As Mike Pence quoted, "Our society will be judged by how we treat the most vulnerable..."
      Too bad he has his "Christian" blinders on and thinks our responsibility ends at birth.

    46. Re:Cue the feminists by fche · · Score: 1

      your red herring is tasty and fresh

    47. Re:Cue the feminists by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      Feminists disagree and criticise each other all the time, just read any of the academic journals, blogs, news sites or attend any talks to see it in action. So the idea that "feminism is infallible" only exists in your mind.

      No it really doesn't there. The current 3rd and 4th wave feminists aren't any different then most ideological extremists when they reach their goals. Their entire ideology today can be described as first-world-problems whining. Purge the heretics(including those in their ranks), kill the unbelievers, etc. The current state of feminism can be boiled down to: "If you don't believe in our stuff, we're going to destroy you." And then they go out and in some cases successfully do so. If they're not whining about made-up problems, they're whining about someones shirt and calling it sexist. While ignoring actual inequality, and serious issues with women's rights. All of this of course is the reason why the number of people who claim the feminist label decrease, year after year.

      But considering the crap being pushed out by feminists as "good" like "the scientific method is sexist" or "facts are a tool of the patriarchy." I wouldn't actually recommend that.

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    48. Re: Cue the feminists by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      One might argue that labelling a spectrum of motivations and behaviors with a single term is unhelpful.

      One might, and one would be right. Unfortunately, some people are so eager for attention that they'll jump onto any bandwagon, and so nasty that they'll use any socially acceptable means to dominate others.

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    49. Re:Cue the feminists by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      It's a tendency for humans to always overshoot the mark when trying to reverse a trend. It's the sort of illogic that says that if you have one foot in a bucket of boiling water, and the other in a bucket of ice water, on average you should be comfortable.

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    50. Re: Cue the feminists by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Are you suggesting we should avoid marginalising and discriminating against white men, in case they react and respond badly?

      Not "suggesting" anything. Just stating that mass murderers are all men.

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    51. Re: Cue the feminists by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Ah, the last of my options. You're also wrong, but don't let that stop you.

    52. Re: Cue the feminists by dlingman · · Score: 1

      wait - there aren't enough female tyrants in the past? It seriously sounds like they are complaining that white male tyrants got all the good jobs.

      Is the reason that they didn't get big enough kill streaks due to their being nicer, or just not enough opportunities to shine?

    53. Re: Cue the feminists by chacal_lachaise · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Usually, I just sit and watch men fling poo at one another by the third comment. Oh yes, feminists are here; we just choose to observe.

    54. Re:Cue the feminists by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      Clearly the answer is more social programs.

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    55. Re:Cue the feminists by kuzb · · Score: 1

      Probably because these days they are in the same category.

      Feminist movements used to be about getting women equal fundamental rights - like the right to vote. That was a good thing. Women have equal fundamental rights now - mission accomplished. Take that fight to the other places in the world where women still don't have equal fundamental rights. That's where real feminism is needed. They're not doing that though.

      Now it's about doing less to get more, and stepping on people to get it. Modern feminism is a hate group specifically attempting to unfairly vilify men for their own political and financial gain. I don't know if there's even such a thing as a good feminist movement anymore, it's been successfully subverted and many people, some who whom are very powerful, are drinking the koolaid.

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    56. Re: Cue the feminists by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      There were no major women tyrants in the past because back then, politics in general was held to be a man's job. Royalty was supposed to remain politically extraordinarily, which accounts for the dearth of evil queens.

      Now that women want to do all that men do, expect to see the occasional Aileen Wuornos getting political power and then using it to slaughter on a much larger scale.

    57. Re:Cue the feminists by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      That's my life dude. Mixed race couple with six kids, first marriage, married young, etc.

    58. Re:Cue the feminists by fche · · Score: 1

      That's fine, and good for you (I mean it!). It's just off topic.

    59. Re: Cue the feminists by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      p>The best you can come up with is Queen Mary, who killed some 200-something four hundred and sixty-three years ago and is still compared unfavorably to "Bluff King Hal" who killed 72,000.

      .

      Ahh miss, those were good times.

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    60. Re: Cue the feminists by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Come on. You can do better than Biljana Plavi.

      Hell, I can't even pronounce that.

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    61. Re: Cue the feminists by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Are you suggesting we should avoid marginalising and discriminating against white men, in case they react and respond badly?

      Not "suggesting" anything. Just stating that mass murderers are all men.

      Come on now, we need to give the ladies a chance.

      Father forgive me, it's been a looooong day, and I'm puckish.

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    62. Re: Cue the feminists by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Ol, you've gotten into the single-malt again, haven't you? You better save a taste for me.

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    63. Re: Cue the feminists by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      In fact you said

      For example, see how many women and people of color you find on this list:

      . As to white heterosexual men being the root of all evil, does that include all the ones who died to defeat the Nazis, all the ones who founded charities or do charitable work and just generally those who are decent human beings and not genocidal lunatics?

    64. Re: Cue the feminists by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Ol, you've gotten into the single-malt again, haven't you? You better save a taste for me.

      Almost. I'm enjoying Resin, a really hoppy beer brewed by Sixpoints Brewery in of all places Brooklyn NY. An amazing brew that is both ultra hoppy and balanced. 9.1 percent alcohol as well Yummy stuff. SO good.I'll keep typing until my spelling goes away.

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    65. Re: Cue the feminists by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Almost. I'm enjoying Resin, a really hoppy beer brewed by Sixpoints Brewery in of all places Brooklyn NY. An amazing brew that is both ultra hoppy and balanced. 9.1 percent alcohol as well Yummy stuff. SO good.I'll keep typing until my spelling goes away.

      I haven't seen that one here in my for-the-time-being home of Texas. Have found some pretty good breweries, though. I'm gonna be in NY next month and I'll look for Resin.

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    66. Re: Cue the feminists by swalve · · Score: 1

      I think you just proved that sexism is real.

    67. Re:Cue the feminists by micahraleigh · · Score: 1

      Fche brought up good parenting, being taught hard-work american values, and not being a single parent family and you started talking about better schools and resources?

      Are you just saying it doesn't matter what you can control for your kids or not following the question or what exactly?

    68. Re:Cue the feminists by micahraleigh · · Score: 1

      "the get-tough-on-crime/War on Drugs policies of the 1980's (that began incarcerating black men at an unprecedented rate) pretty much destroyed the traditional black family."

      The moms and dads who turned to drugs destroyed their families before they were incarcerated.

    69. Re:Cue the feminists by micahraleigh · · Score: 1

      What about those migrants who come here from communist oppressed countries with no money and end up becoming doctors, software engineers, etc?

      This used to be a country where outliers had access to opportunity. But now it is a country where no one is allowed to succeed.

      If the vast majority of people who win the lottery become bankrupt in less than a couple years, it goes to show there is an underlying problem that can't be solved by money or uncaring, impersonal organizations like the government.

      Claiming the IRS shouldn't force people to give money to the poor is not a lack of empathy or curiousity or sensitivity or whatever else.

    70. Re:Cue the feminists by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      well, the point was that many of those families have dried up and blown away like tumbleweeds.

    71. Re: Cue the feminists by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      [AmiMoJo] Of course. That was just diversionary tactics. [/]

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  2. Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by JoeyRox · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because if they were fair they would have lead to her own termination.

    1. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by mi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The story of Yahoo!'s downfall can be repeated on a much grander scale, if we elect a woman simply because she is a woman .

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    2. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by bmo · · Score: 3, Funny

      My wife used to work for hospice.

      When she says "transitioned" she means "died."

      Which is what Yahoo's going to do, shortly.

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      BMO

    3. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by twistedcubic · · Score: 2

      This might be true, but I doubt anyone could have saved Yahoo. I think the best thing would have been a temporary surge in the stock price so some investors might get rich, but nothing more. And this is what happened. The sad thing is that Yahoo search still sucks compared to Google search. This, at least, I expected Marissa Mayer to fixed. Regardless, I think Yahoo would have failed anyway.

    4. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by jbssm · · Score: 1

      Problem is that now the only option is some egomaniacal orange troll. You should have thought about that when Hillary was playing her tradicional gender card against Sanders and you felt for it. Now it's a bit too late.

    5. Re: Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by s.petry · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Making false claims about someone and then claiming to be the victim has become the normal. Victim hood has become a currency and is used extensively as such. People who don't learn about the Hegelian dialectic are doomed to fall prey to the tactic.

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      -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    6. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by slew · · Score: 1, Informative

      This might be true, but I doubt anyone could have saved Yahoo. I think the best thing would have been a temporary surge in the stock price so some investors might get rich, but nothing more. And this is what happened.

      The sad thing is that Yahoo search still sucks compared to Google search. This, at least, I expected Marissa Mayer to fixed. Regardless, I think Yahoo would have failed anyway.

      FYI: Since 2009, Yahoo search has been powered by Bing (MSFT)...
      Bing/Yahoo is pretty good now for non-obscure stuff (for obscure tech stuff Google is still way better), but I'm guessing in your mind, the only thing to "fix" it compared to Google search is for Yahoo to roll back the clock to 2004 when Yahoo search was actually powered by Google.

    7. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      w/ Trump

      Error: division by zero. Bailing out near line 37 + 4.74i

      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    8. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      And many more will vote for her simply because the Republican nominee is so ridiculously horrible.

      Honestly, why couldn't the Republicans have re-nominated Romney or McCain? Either one of those guys would be far preferable to these two clowns we have running this year. I'll even take bimbo Palin as VP nominee again. She may have thought Africa was a country, but she's still better than Pence.

    9. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by ScentCone · · Score: 3, Insightful

      the misogyny is strong with this one

      The most obvious thing that's wrong with Team SJW is that they do things like calling the pointing out of facts "misogyny." Finally, enough people are getting sick of that Orwellian bit of PC nonsense, and millions of people are preparing to vote for someone they don't particularly like, just so they can deny a vote the kind of person who practices and preaches that sort of deliberate BS in pursuit of political power.

      No, pointing out that it's foolish to vote for a corrupt, incompetent, career-long liar who has only evaded prison because of her political connections because she is a woman is NOT misogyny. But calling someone who makes that observation a misogynist is an example of the juvenile, delusional mindset and behavior that has millions and millions of people taking steps to show how sick they are of it. Let me guess, you consider that half of your fellow citizens to be irredeemably deplorable, right? Yeah, figured.

      --
      Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
    10. Re: Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by ScentCone · · Score: 2

      There's a qualified one now, even if she isn't eye candy.

      Who are you referring to? The Green candidate? The "doctor" who is anti-science? No, she's not qualified. Non-scientists can be forgiven for not understanding science (though not forgiven for putting anti-science people in science-related roles). But professional scientists who rail against science are exhibiting a world view that immediately disqualifies them from office.

      --
      Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
    11. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by Grishnakh · · Score: 3, Informative

      Hillary didn't need the superdelegates to win; she had enough votes and delegates to win without them. It's true that the DNC rigged things, along with the mainstream media (esp. WaPo) spinning things in her favor as much as possible, but in the end, it was the Democratic voters who picked her. And unlike the GOP side where the vote was badly split among SO many candidates, allowing Trump to win with a minority of votes, the Dem side didn't have this: O'Malley, Chafffee and Webb barely got any votes at all and two of those dropped out very early on.

      Basically, in this election the GOP proved that it's incompetent at getting their establishment pick selected, and the DNC proved that they're masters of it. But still, the ultimate responsibility on the Democrat side (NOT the Republican side) is with the voters themselves. *They* made the choice for Hillary.

      (The same is not true on the Republican side; the voters there are not responsible, because of the first-past-the-post voting system, and the fact that Trump only got a minority of votes. The nomination of Trump really shows that FPTP voting systems should be banned everywhere, and anyone who thinks they're a good system should be summarily executed so that their stupidity does not spread.)

    12. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by Grishnakh · · Score: 3, Funny

      I had a boss that was man angry after 3 failed divorces and purged all men from managerial positions.

      Ok, I have to ask: how exactly do you fail at a divorce, let alone three of them?

      People have failed marriages all the time, but I've never heard of a failed divorce. I've heard of people changing their mind and deciding to stay together, but I wouldn't call that a "failed divorce".

    13. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by ArtemaOne · · Score: 1

      I'd argue that Jill Stein is less of a feminist than Bernie Sanders, as well as being less scientifically competent, but I agree mostly with what you said.

    14. Re: Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by Killall+-9+Bash · · Score: 1

      People need to learn what "Hegalian dialectic" is. Otherwise, we'll all have to start speaking French.

      --
      "Prediction: within 10 years, Windows will be a Linux distribution." Me, 7-6-2016
    15. Re: Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by vel-ex-tech · · Score: 2

      Why are there scare quotes up there? Dr. Stein is a doctor same as Dr. Paul. She graduated Harvard Medical School and practiced internal medicine for 25 years. She was also an instructor of medicine at Harvard Medical School.

      You wouldn't be exhibiting a little... sexism... with those scare quotes, would you?

      "I think there's no question that vaccines have been absolutely critical in ridding us of the scourge of many diseases â" smallpox, polio, etc. So vaccines are an invaluable medication," Stein said. "Like any medication, they also should be -- what shall we say? -- approved by a regulatory board that people can trust. And I think right now, that is the problem. That people do not trust a Food and Drug Administration, or even the CDC for that matter, where corporate influence and the pharmaceutical industry has a lot of influence."

      (WaPo, July 29th, 2016.)

      Disclaimer: I'm voting for the lizard people's candidate this year, not Dr. Stein.

    16. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      My wife used to work for hospice.

      When she says "transitioned" she means "died."

      Makes sense. The people "transition" into corpses :-P

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      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
    17. Re: Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by Killall+-9+Bash · · Score: 1

      What I hear you saying is "A scientists disagrees with the scientific consensus, which I support, therefore their opinion is invalid."

      I assume you're talking about AGW.... So go ahead. Call her a "denier". You know you want to.

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      "Prediction: within 10 years, Windows will be a Linux distribution." Me, 7-6-2016
    18. Re: Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      Victim hood has become a currency and is used extensively as such.

      Exactly. Whenever something is a currency there will be people that commit fraud for it.

      --
      "His name was James Damore."
    19. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by jbengt · · Score: 1

      Bernie Sanders isn't a Democrat, anyway. He was, and is, an Independent that decided that he could get more traction running as a Democrat. Nobody should be surprised that an Independent, especially a self-avowed socialist, would not be favored by the Democratic Party officials.

    20. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Well, half the reason she got all those votes was that they funneled all of the money from the party to her, so she could get advertising. Then the media manipulation made her the "obvious" choice, because people seem to like to go with the flow. I wouldn't really call the DNC "masters" of picking, though--they could've done so much better if they wanted to.

    21. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I think she'll get elected just because she knows why you don't use nuclear weapons if you have them.

      Any decent Republican nominee would have beat her, but we didn't get a decent Republican nominee. That's what is going to get her elected, not that she's a woman.

    22. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by Kartu · · Score: 1

      Hilariously, because Republicans have much more democratic primaries (no "superdelegates").

    23. Re: Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by s.petry · · Score: 1

      Good catch, though I can honestly blame spell checking which flags Hegalian. I corrected once on an edit and missed the second on a submit.

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      -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    24. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Personally, I'm voting for her because I generally like her policies and think she'll be a good President. I like the idea of a woman being President, since we haven't had one, but that's in general and I don't judge politicians on their race or sex. I get that you have very different political views, and probably believe most of the nonsense said about Clinton, but that doesn't affect the validity of my decisions.

      Objectively, me voting for her for considered political reasons is exactly the same as me voting for her because she's a woman, so it appears to me that voting for her because she's a woman can have good results.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    25. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by arth1 · · Score: 1

      And many more will vote for her simply because the Republican nominee is so ridiculously horrible.

      Yes, there's no doubt that Hilary Rodham Clinton will get plenty of votes because she's not Donald Trump .

      Much like the democrats got quite a few votes in 2008 because Joe Biden was not Sarah Palin. And Barack Obama got the Nobel peace price for not being Bush.

    26. Re: Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      The odds are that any given third-party endorsed candidate would do a crappy job as President. It's possible to pick a more attractive candidate if you don't have to worry about what happens after your guy is elected.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    27. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by ourlovecanlastforeve · · Score: 5, Interesting

      As a guy who worked in customer service for 15 years and one who spent several years doing it at Yahoo I can tell you that those employee evaluations are nothing more than permission slips to fire employees when they are no longer needed instead of laying them off.

      They are intentionally designed with metrics that are impossible to meet and the targets are open to interpenetration by managers, which creates an ever moving target that can't be hit.

      It is just like in Office Space where the boss asks the waitress "what do you think of a person who just does the bare minimum."

      Meeting expectations is never enough. No matter how good you are, when it comes time to reduce staff you will be eliminated and you have no recourse because the numbers they made up say you performed poorly.

      But it's not just Yahoo who does this -- rather it's been the practice at every company I've ever worked at.

    28. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 3, Funny

      She tried to get divorced three times, and each time she filed for divorce the judge pointed out to her that she wasn't actually married to any of her 36 cats.

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      "That's the way to do it" - Punch
    29. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by twistedcubic · · Score: 1

      Actually I wasn't aware Yahoo was powered by Bing. I used Yahoo search for a while when Firefox switched its default browser to them. I had always assumed Google/Yahoo/Bing were equivalent because they're run by huge companies with years of experience. But the quality of Yahoo search results seemed to be on par with DuckDuckGo.

    30. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by nycsubway · · Score: 1

      My wife also worked hospice. They called it

      * Transitioned
      * Ward X
      * Celestial discharge

      Poor Yahoo

    31. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by RabidReindeer · · Score: 1

      It's not the political compass mapping that worries people about Trump, though.

    32. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by unixisc · · Score: 1

      How is Bernie much more of a Socialist than Obama was 8 years ago? Policy-wise, there's little to tell them apart.

    33. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      I'm definitely sensing a building Thermidorian Reaction to this out-of-control SJW bullshit, as evidenced by the recent Brexit vote and the rise of Donald Trump.

      Even on /., there was a time not too long ago when conservative voices where pretty much shouted down any time they challenged the SJW narrative. In the last few years, that has shifted dramatically, as more and more people have gotten sick of all the radical PC horseshit coming from the left.

      --
      SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
    34. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by unixisc · · Score: 2

      And many more will vote for her simply because the Republican nominee is so ridiculously horrible.

      Honestly, why couldn't the Republicans have re-nominated Romney or McCain? Either one of those guys would be far preferable to these two clowns we have running this year. I'll even take bimbo Palin as VP nominee again. She may have thought Africa was a country, but she's still better than Pence.

      Oh, please!!! Reason Romney & McCain lost was that one had run his state in the same way that he was criticizing Obama for, while the other was the most Leftist Republican one could find - most recent activity at the time being second-guessing Rumsfeld every step of the way. Trump is 'ridiculously horrible' only to the establishment GOP types who swear by things like Free Trade, Pro-Life (including rape/incest), Pro-faith (even if the faith in question is Islam), 'Conservatism' (like that's a be-all and end-all in and of itself) as well as to feminist types who are okay w/ asswipes like Rosie O'Donnell, Alicia Machado and Arianna Huffington. The people (particularly Republicans) who prefer Hilary to Trump are assholes in the first place, and are better off leaving the party.

    35. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by unixisc · · Score: 1

      But they did have a few delegates in every state that could be assigned/nominated by party bosses in that state, which could have turned things around. Not that it mattered, given both Trump's support base, and the fact that the GOP establishment couldn't decide who they'd want to bat for them

    36. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by elrous0 · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'm getting very sick of this SJW/mainstream-media narrative that Donald Trump is some sort of frothing-at-the-mouth madman who's going to start a nuclear war and start sending minorities to concentration camps on his inauguration day.

      Donald Trump is a pompous blowhard asshole. But he's also a fairly left-of-center conservative who is anything but crazy or irrational. He has absolutely no interest in starting any wars or doing anything crazy or stupid while in office. War these days is bad business and Trump isn't likely to to go out of his way to oppress anyone. He's way more Ronald Reagan than Dick Cheney.

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      SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
    37. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by labnet · · Score: 1

      And this practice is illegal in Australia, and I expect much of Europe.
      Australia has very strong unfair dismissal laws that require us to either provide genuine redundancy, of give multiple performance reviews with genuine attempts at improving employee performance.

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    38. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Yes, the media and advertising made a difference, but it's kinda irrelevant: the People are ultimately responsible for their own votes.

      As for them "doing so much better", how so? I don't think they could have found anyone who's more of a sell-out to certain moneyed interests than Hillary.

    39. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by unixisc · · Score: 1

      There definitely were favorites that the Congressional leadership had in mind. Initially, it was thought it would be Bush's for the asking, but sensing that there might be Bush fatigue, as well as losing the ability to accuse Clintons of dynastic politics, they looked towards alternatives, like Christie or Kasich. The fact that there were establishment favorites was clear from Nikki Haley's response in SOTU, where she indirectly trashed Trump at the behest of Ryan, and a few days later, endorsed Rubio, and after he dropped out, Cruz. Trump and Cruz both did well w/ the party following due to the perception that each of them was the most hated by the party leadership.

    40. Re: Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      Hegelian dialectic? Is that some sort of high gain antenna?

    41. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      I've voting for Clinton because she's competent, qualified, has the temperament, a patriot, and she's smart.

      --
      She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
    42. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      She'll get elected because the media are behind her and are brainwashing the American public as hard as they can. It will have nothing to do with reality, facts, gender or anything else.

    43. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 1

      I don't need the MSM to know that he's a frothing-at-the-mouth madman. It's patently obvious just looking at his behavior.

    44. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      Amazing how given everything she has actually done and everything she and Trump have actually said, there are still some people stupid/ill-informed enough to think she is the most peaceful choice.

    45. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      They are intentionally designed with metrics that are impossible to meet and the targets are open to interpenetration by managers

      Hmmm textbook management even states that employee targets and metrics must be achievable in order to promote happiness an effort. Presenting someone with an unachievable goal will instantly demoralise them and will make their failing grade a self-fulfilling prophecy.

      This is business 101 kind of stuff, but this is Yahoo we're talking about so I'm not surprised. Epic failure on every level is almost ingrained in their corporate culture at this point.

    46. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      The SJW is strong with this one.

    47. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      And has it ever occurred to you that YOU might be the irrational one?

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      SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
    48. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 1

      You don't think that if there happened to be a radar malfunction at NORAD while he's up in the wee hours of the night posting enraged tweets, that he might not be in the right frame of mind to rationally analyze whether or not we're actually under a nuclear attack?

    49. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      She is not Donald Trump. Which is honestly a top 3 reason she'll get elected. I do agree that it is not the #1 reason, which is that there are demographics that wouldn't even vote for Abraham Lincoln if he came back and ran as a Republican in 2016.

      Republicans had the best opponent in years to go up against, and they picked the only candidate who she could beat without even really trying.

      I'm not a huge Pence fan, but holy shit, they'd have a better chance if they flipped the ticket around. Then Donald would be kind of like a Republican Joe Biden and no one would care.

    50. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1, Interesting

      It's shit like the unhinged 3AM tweets that make people think he is nuts. Is that the sort of thing a sober, serious, intelligent person would do?

      If he can't get a grip on this behaviour, his emotions, and control his outbursts now, what makes you think he will be able to once elected? What happens when he attacks some foreign leader he needs to do a trade deal with? Is that going to be economically good for the US?

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      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    51. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by gatfirls · · Score: 1

      Hyperbole about nuclear war and concentration camps aside; he almost literally is a frothing at the mouth madman. He has little to no self control, he says deplorable things about trade partners and even worse about middle eastern nations.

      Sure he may not want to start wars or do crazy things but words mean stuff and international diplomacy is an extremely important thing to avoid conflicts and all out wars. The Iraq war has proven to the war that if we bang the war drum loud enough we will invade and occupy a sovereign nation basically on the whim of the president and his staff.

      At the baseline hypernationalism and xenophobia is the root cause of the biggest and bloodiest wars in our worlds history and Trump is fanning those flames loud and clear. He is a very dangerous person, and the epitome "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity"

    52. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      Wow you clearly don't know me well.

    53. Re: Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by Atomic+Fro · · Score: 3, Informative

      I've never seen that quote before. But as someone who is a small cog in the industry, what she said about the FDA is absolutely true.

      Rising drug costs? The FDA is complicit. Drugs approved without being properly vetted? The FDA is complicit.

      Vaccines are great and everything, but do we really need to require thousands of dollars in vaccines for things like chicken pox before a child can go to public school? It's great that insurance hides this cost for most, but I have seen the other side where people have fallen through the cracks in Medicaid and Obamacare. These poor, both in terms of wealth and luck, people needing to get their five year olds caught up before school needing $1200 for the first round.

      It was $1200 because government required it, not because of free market. Just like Epipen. Just like so many common generic drugs the FDA pulls from the market as being "unsafe" and then a single patented brand medication takes their place at 100x to 1000x the cost.

      Then there is manufacturer collusion where a common drug all of a sudden has "manufacturing" issues and it's not available from any manufacturer. Then in a month or two it's available again, but only from a single source, and yes it's still generic, but at 4x the cost.

      This is mostly hidden from "consumers" because insurance. You are still paying your $4 copay. But the costs on the back end are high. Meaning less money for labor, so long lines and wait times at the pharmacy. Higher costs for the insurers mean higher premiums. So all that anger gets thrown at the pharmacy and the insurers. The guys at the top are laughing all the way to the bank.

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    54. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by swb · · Score: 2

      I suspect it varies in the US with state law, but this is the same thing I've always been told by HR people in the United States when I've approached them about firing low performing employees or even employees with real problems like not showing up.

      I had a technician that worked for me who began making a habit of using his vacation time on an ad-hoc basis -- he would leave me a voicemail at 8:29 AM telling me he was going to take a vacation day. When he was back in the office the following day I told him not to do it, and he did it again two weeks later. I sent him an email that time and told him it wasn't appropriate and not to do it anymore. After the third time not long after I talked to our HR assistant director and she told me I had to write a formal letter on company letterhead and then document (with followup letters) three more incidents, noting that termination would result if it continued to be able to fire him for cause.

      IIRC, she said anything less and we got dinged for unemployment insurance by the state and/or were vulnerable to some kind of lawsuit (on what grounds a no-show white male in his late 20s could sue a white manager only 12 years his senior, I don't know).

      And that was for obvious malfeasance. It was *worse* with an African American employee. He was hired in a support role bursting greenbar reports that ran overnight from a mainframe application. When that application went away, he got a new job title of PC support technician for which he was completely unqualified and which he performed terribly. We were literally doing double work for every ticket he worked.

      HR said he couldn't be fired without basically being videotaped committing a felony. Because he got a new job title given to him, we were on the hook for his inability to do the job because it was the company's responsibility to vet his ability to do the job he was assigned (he got reclassed because he had some personal relationship with the controller and she pulled strings). And because he was black and like 2 other people in a company of 500 were black, pretty much any termination could be construed as discriminatory. The only way to fire him was to provide and pay for training for the job he was classed as and then give him months of letters and warnings and performance improvement plans with color glossy 8x10 photos with circles and arrows proving he couldn't do the job. Anything less than that and we might as well have written a check for $250k.

      Ultimately we created a make-work project for which he was "leader" just to get him out of the way. He ended up quitting a few months later for a job as a youth sports coordinator. I ran into him a couple of years later and he actually acknowledged he knew he was terrible at the job.

    55. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Wake up sheeple!

      Just be caerful you don't wake the sheeple. For 10,000 years the sheeple has rested. Let's see if we can make it 20, eh?

      --
      SJW n. One who posts facts.
    56. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Saying he's arrogant and self centered, and not the best choice of President for dealing with foreign policy is fine. But the Trump narrative in the mainstream media has gone WAY, WAY, WAY beyond that in recent days. If you watched nothing but CNN, you would think he were some lab-produced hybrid of raving lunatic and Adolph Hitler. SJW's have become absolutely histrionic in their alarmist portrayal of a Trump presidency as some sort of modern-day armageddon, going even beyond the ridiculous hyperbole from the right about Obama when he was elected. It's fucking ridiculous.

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      SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
    57. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      "Problem is that now the only option is some egomaniacal orange troll. "

      I don't think there are many bridges he would fit under.

    58. Re: Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Jill Stein is a doctor in the same sense that Joseph Mercola is.

    59. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by larryjoe · · Score: 1

      Basically, in this election the GOP proved that it's incompetent at getting their establishment pick selected, and the DNC proved that they're masters of it.

      The Democrats were decent at getting their anointed one past the annoyances of the election system, but they can only aspire to achieve the efficiency of United Russia.

      Should the current election-cycle un-democratic manifestations of the purportedly Democratic Party actually be celebrated? Seriously?

    60. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      I must have missed the "I can't wait to start a nuclear war and send all the coloreds off to concentration camps" tweet. It must have been one of those late-night ones I missed.

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      SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
    61. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Should the current election-cycle un-democratic manifestations of the purportedly Democratic Party actually be celebrated? Seriously?

      Yes, of course, if you're a Democratic Party insider or cheerleader. Why not?

    62. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Touche.

      Yep, for anyone reading this, if it looks like your relationship is over, don't let the other person talk you into coming back. If you're having that many problems, it's most likely best to just part ways and look for someone more compatible. I've been there too (it wasn't at the brink of divorce like with you; once I decided I wanted a divorce that was it): there were times in a past relationship when it was on the rocks and I should have just quit.

    63. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by Plus1Entropy · · Score: 1

      Except that the only people who can terminate the CEO are the Board of Directors, who can use whatever criteria they want within Yahoo's Articles of Incorporation.

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      Only crack the nuts that crack. You don't put the ones that don't crack in the sack.
    64. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by Plus1Entropy · · Score: 1

      The people (particularly Republicans) who prefer Hilary to Trump are assholes in the first place, and are better off leaving the party.

      By all means, narrow your voter base even more. With any luck I'll die at a ripe old age having never again lived under a Republican President. You'll be begging to have Merrick Garland back up for confirmation when HRC puts Obama on the Supreme Court. He's only 55, and pretty healthy, probably live to at least 90. Having Scalia killed was the smartest thing we secret Communist Muslims Marxist Fascists ever did. Mwahahahaha!

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      Only crack the nuts that crack. You don't put the ones that don't crack in the sack.
    65. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      You could just look at their stock price to figure out she was leading the company into ruin.

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    66. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by Zak3056 · · Score: 1

      Hillary is certainly a corrupt, career-long liar. I'm not willing to label her as incompetent, I think we'll find that out for sure either way after the election (which I'm fairly certain she'll win). Just because Trump has, at best, a passing familiarity with the truth and has played fast and loose with the law does not somehow make Hillary as pure as the driven snow.

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    67. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by LordLucless · · Score: 1

      I'd be more worried about Clinton starting wars, honestly.

      Trump is, at heart, an isolationist. If he had his way (which he won't, even if he's elected president) he'd build a big wall around America, and tell the rest of the world to fuck off. Clinton's all about international diplomacy and imperial aspirations, and those are much more likely to use warfare as a tool.

      I mean, isolationism is stupid, and comes with some pretty big problems, but starting wars generally isn't one of them.

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    68. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by Boronx · · Score: 1

      How on Earth has anyone politically compass mapped Trump? There's no indication he's ever told the truth about what he wants to do.

    69. Re: Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by Boronx · · Score: 1

      Ha.

    70. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by elrous0 · · Score: 2

      Yet another SJW trope that people have gotten fucking sick of: the idea that if you don't buy into the radical SJW agenda then you must be a racist, sexist, homophobe who hates women, minorities, etc.

      Newsflash to my SJW friends: "I value rights like free speech and the right to dissent" != "I hate women."

      I used to think the far-right was scary. But these days the left scares me even more. Trump may be a epic douchebag, but at least I don't have to worry about him trying to have me fired, persecuted and arrested me for saying the wrong words.

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    71. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      FYI: It's not an insult, it's an identifier based on extremist pro-authoritarian public posts/speech/etc. In which case, you along with several posters fit right in there. Every single time you whine and cry over words hurting your feelings, and every time someone drops a load of facts on you. Your first responses are to either try and shift it away from the topic at hand, or go running to your safe space never to mention it again.

      Topping that off that your actions and words also seem to support the "no bad tactics, just bad targets" lines of reasoning, especially by the people who's ideas you use to promote. That just makes you a rather shitty person.

      You really want to see something? You really want to try in your next post to claim that SJW has lot all meaning(the current talking point)? Note how many times you and the cliqueball have used racist, sexist, homophobic, misogynist, and so on over the last 6-7 years and how it's not only led to those words losing all meaning, but people now see you as people who cry wolf. And thus you created your own enemy like authoritarians everywhere.

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    72. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Oh it's *you*! You're the guy who pulls stuff up out of the depths of his fantasy and when pressed posts heaps of irrelevant or broken links. Still, I'll bite. Why not, eh?

      Every single time you whine and cry over words hurting your feelings

      50 bucks says you can't find a link to somewhere I've done that.

      Topping that off that your actions and words also seem to support the "no bad tactics, just bad targets" lines of reasoning

      Another 50 bucks says you can't find a link to somewhere I've ever said that either.

      Note how many times you and the cliqueball have used racist, sexist, homophobic, misogynist, and so on over the last 6-7 years and how it's not only led to those words losing all meaning, but people now see you as people who cry wolf.

      What on earth are you talking about? Cliqueball? WTF? Is that where everyone you don't like gets assigned to a "clique" by you and you then declare them all collectively responsible for the actions of the worst person you can find?

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    73. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      I don't think he would try and stat a nuclear war, but he's certainly frothing at the mouth.

      And gabbing women by the pussy apparently, too (his words, not mine).

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    74. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by Cederic · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Hating women isn't normal.

      Who around here hates women? Asking purely out of curiousity because I can't see anybody.

      Several posters are women, and never get grief over that fact. Several posters mention their long term relationships to women.

      It's a very rare poster indeed that posts hatred towards women, and they get modded out of existence.

    75. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      "pure as the driven snow", when have we had a leader like that? Even Washington was a pretty terrible person. Everyone who makes it high enough is awful, but I'm not going to pound broken glass up my ass just because my only other choice is sitting naked on a cactus.

    76. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Oh it's *you*! You're the guy who pulls stuff up out of the depths of his fantasy and when pressed posts heaps of irrelevant or broken links. Still, I'll bite. Why not, eh?

      You mean the stuff that's fact, but you refuse to look at it because it comes from sites that don't fit your ideological sphere. Or because it paints things in a bad light, thus you conveniently ignore it.

      50 bucks says you can't find a link to somewhere I've done that.

      I only have to go back as far as the last two posts between you and me on Milo and Gamergate. In both cases, where I showed you that your position was not only wrong. But the people you were parroting on about, where the actual harassers.

      Another 50 bucks says you can't find a link to somewhere I've ever said that either.

      Want to try reading again? Well, that might be a much to ask. You can't click on links after all.

      What on earth are you talking about? Cliqueball? WTF? Is that where everyone you don't like gets assigned to a "clique" by you and you then declare them all collectively responsible for the actions of the worst person you can find?

      Note your own comments in the past and how your viewpoint mirrors some of the most extremist and regressive commentary of the modern left yet? This is a good chance for you to be introspective.

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    77. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      I like how you provided lots of links and other evidence to back up your claims.

      Plus I like how you completely ignored what you wrote and I replied to and decided to take my replies as if they were to something else entirely. Neat! :)

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    78. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      Because those guys were wrong on the issues. Republicans want the border secured, the illegals deported, the spread of Islam fought, and an end to nation building and the rejection of TPP. The only candidate who got those issues right is Trump.

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    79. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      But the sober, serious and intelligent people have been the ones invading other nations and funding terrorists. Isn't that worse?

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    80. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by Zak3056 · · Score: 1

      Your analogy at the end there is a good one (though I think people on either side of this election would disagree on who the cactus was) but you're ignoring the statement I'm responding to to take issue with mine. OP stated that "as it happens, the corrupt, incompetent, career-long liar isn't a woman" which is (at least) 2/3rds incorrect.

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    81. Re: Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      Most county health departments provide free vaccines, mine does, and the previous counties I've lived in have as well. It might not be convenient, but it's an option.

    82. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      Thanks, I'm proud of that analogy.

    83. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by RabidReindeer · · Score: 1

      Well, it is true that his compass tends to spin wildly much of the time. But that's half the fun, isn't it?

      And I'm sure he tells the truth. It's just that what's convenient to be the truth at one time may not be the same truth that's convenient later, but regardless, I'm sure that he sincerely believes both to be true when he says them. And actually that makes him more flexible than those who pull a truth out of some smelly orifice and won't waver or "flip-flop" on it, no matter how untrue it later proves to be. Isn't flexibility considered a virtue any more, or should we all just doggedly double down and "stay the course"?

    84. Re: Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by Atomic+Fro · · Score: 1

      From the Wikipedia:

      In 2009, Teva Pharmaceuticals filed an ANDA to market a generic EpiPen in collaboration with Antares Pharma Inc, a maker of injection systems; Pfizer and King sued them for infringing US Patent 7,449,012 that was due to expire in 2025;[29] Pfizer, Mylan, and Teva settled in April 2012 in a deal that allowed Teva to start selling the device in mid-2015, pending FDA approval.[30]

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    85. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by Boronx · · Score: 1

      "I'm sure that he sincerely believes both to be true when he says them."

      There's a lot of people that seem to be sure about Trump without any justification. Also, I don't think you know what truth means.

    86. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by Boronx · · Score: 1

      Flip the story around and the response on Slashdot will also flip.

      Woman gets sexual harassed? She needs to man up.

      Woman complains of discrimination? SJWs trying to force themselves into jobs they aren't qualified for.

      Woman complains of *rape* in the tech industry? SJWs are calling Slashdotters rapists! Sad!

      Hillary Clinton runs for president? She's a harpy bitch and your dick will shrink if you vote for her.

      Trump brags about sexual assault? It'll be good for his campaign.

      That's Slashdot these days. GP was right, this attitude is more accepted around here than it used to be. These aren't not normal. They're not even rational. Typical Slashdot response to these stories often shows a total misunderstanding of the story in favor of knee jerk reaction against "SJWs".

    87. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Don't worry. We will elect her because at least she's not an obvious idiot.

    88. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Woman gets sexually harassed? Man gets sacked for dongle joke. Wait, you expect us to support this?

      Woman complains of discrimination? People point out that she's fucking incompetent, much as they would a man in that role.

      Woman complains of *rape* in the tech industry? Really? I hadn't seen that one. Or do you mean the current gender studies definition of the term which includes "hurt my feelings"? Precious snowflakes get mocked here whatever their gender.

      Hillary Clinton runs for president? She gets just as much shit as Trump does, due to her track record, her policies and her alleged corruption. What, you think she should get a free pass because she's female?

      Trump brags about sexual assault? Not even seen a Slashdot article about that one.

      That's Slashdot these days. Applying a cynical egalitarian commentary on the articles posted, which a whole community out there interpret as a 'knee jerk reaction against "SJWs"' because they're so used to their little echo chambers quelling any dissent. Well tough. Slashdot can be a bit of an echo chamber but dissent is frequent and welcomed.

    89. Re: Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by lars_stefan_axelsson · · Score: 1

      ...vaccines for things like chicken pox...

      And that's actually a good example. Here in Sweden were we don't really have "anti vaxers" (well there are a few imports from the US) and vaccination rates are very high, we don't actually have the chicken pox vaccine on the general schedule. Its right at the edge of what's considered medically beneficial.

      In fact the argument for its inclusion is economical, it would save society money from parents not having to be home with sick kids. But since we don't recommend vaccination on those grounds, it stays off the "mandatory" list.

      Instead the recommendation is that you should try and "infect" your kids the natural way, when they're young, and if that doesn't happen (or in the case of risk groups) then there's vaccination later in life.

      So while there are clear benefits for most of the other childhood diseases, reasonable people can disagree on chicken pox.

      But of course, if you have a lobbying supplier and regulatory capture, then the story changes...We, by and large, don't. At least not yet...

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    90. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      I like how you provided lots of links and other evidence to back up your claims.

      Plus I like how you completely ignored what you wrote and I replied to and decided to take my replies as if they were to something else entirely. Neat! :)

      Shouldn't be hard for you to go look in your own post history now would it? Or use a basic *insert search engine here* search, unless you're claiming that there's more then one person using your account or you have MPD, or you have a worse memory then mine. In which case I wish you the best of luck with your alzheimer's disease.

      Personally I liked the part where you still can't answer anything, and continue to flail about.

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    91. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by Boronx · · Score: 1

      That's exactly what I mean. It is not controversial that there is too much rape in the tech industry unless you wish to argue there is zero rape. The only people that would have any real reason to get bent out of shape about this are rapists. I don't think slashdotters are rapists, so when *they* get bent out of shape it's stupid and illogical.

      The men at Yahoo have proven themselves incompetent by running a shitty company. Why wouldn't Slashdotters join in with the woman who runs it now to trash these guys? If they took an egalitarian position, that's what they'd do.

      Of course, Slashdotters, me included, don't really no anything about the competency of the men making complaints, just as we don't know anything about the competency of women who make them. The reaction is pure knee jerk.

      There is no guiding moral compass. Any such compass would come up "too little information to take sides" on discrimination stories, and "rape = bad" on rape stories.

      "Trump brags about sexual assault? Not even seen a Slashdot article about that one."

      No articles I know of, but it comes up anyway. The Slashdot consensus is that his bragging about sexual assault will help him, not hurt him. What they really mean is that this will help him in a place like Slashdot, which is all most of us here are able to calculate. It will hurt Trump with America at large. Almost everybody hates guys like that.

      "Woman gets sexually harassed? Man gets sacked for dongle joke. Wait, you expect us to support this?"

      Slashdot? Of course not. What I would expect is that if a woman were fired, Slashdot would laugh at her for getting her just desserts. I also would never expect Slashdot to investigate whether "dongle joke" was a fair characterization of the event before jumping to conclusions.

    92. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by Cederic · · Score: 1

      . It is not controversial that there is too much rape in the tech industry unless you wish to argue there is zero rape.

      That's raw flamebait. Come back when you can demonstrate that the tech industry has a higher prevalence of rape than society in general. Bonus marks if you control for income, location and education.

    93. Re:Proof her perf evaluations weren't fair by Cinnamon+Beige · · Score: 1

      They are intentionally designed with metrics that are impossible to meet and the targets are open to interpenetration by managers

      Hmmm textbook management even states that employee targets and metrics must be achievable in order to promote happiness an effort. Presenting someone with an unachievable goal will instantly demoralise them and will make their failing grade a self-fulfilling prophecy.

      This is business 101 kind of stuff, but this is Yahoo we're talking about so I'm not surprised. Epic failure on every level is almost ingrained in their corporate culture at this point.

      Yes, and from my experiences working with Yahoo's services I'd say that it does predate Ms. Mayer.

      Honestly, it could be as 'innocent' as an order from on high to improve diversity numbers getting translated by the corporate cultures as something best met not by trying to attract more diverse highers...but by using metrics for white male employees that deliberately could not be met and targets that were vague enough that you might as well not try. (That said, let me be clear: This would in no way be an excuse.)

      The thing is, this is going to hurt overall morale. Just because you're not a target for elimination for being the wrong race/sex/whatever today doesn't actually increase your comfort.

      Once it's established that these in charge--no matter who 'they' are--will find a way to justify mistreating somebody for being part of the 'wrong' group, no matter how good their intentions are...it merely becomes a question of when you'll be part of the wrong group.

  3. How's that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ...positive discrimination coming along? Are we feeling more positive today?

    Shouldn't be long now before we can just eliminate all the male population. Think of the advantages for business!

    1. Re:How's that... by Phydeaux · · Score: 1

      Dude, really? They can't get rid of the male population. Who the heck are they going to ask to get the stuff down from that really high shelf? You can't just leave step stools around, cluttering up your environment.

    2. Re:How's that... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      And what about opening jars?

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    3. Re:How's that... by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      And what happens when there's a big hairy spider in the break room sink?

  4. The opressed can not opress by mi · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Just as the oppressed Blacks can not themselves be racist, women can not possibly be sexist.

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    1. Re:The opressed can not opress by ooloorie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Of course, at some point, people simply stop caring. According to progressives and Democrats, I'm a homophobic, racist misogynist, and you know what? I've learned to live with it. Just as I had to learn to live with being a gay man in a homophobic society, and an immigrant in the US.

    2. Re:The opressed can not opress by sgt_doom · · Score: 2

      Yup, and Amerika cannot possibly be a Third World Country, which it most certainly is today!

    3. Re:The opressed can not opress by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      or spell, apparently.

      *oppressed

    4. Re: The opressed can not opress by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      Fuck off, Yahoo shill.

    5. Re:The opressed can not opress by Urist+McSlashdot · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The problem is that when I look in a dictionary, it says that racism is prejudice or discrimination based on race, and that sexism is prejudice or discrimination based on sex or gender. And that's how lots of people use those words. The Bustle article you linked to even says, "Sure, men might experience discrimination, bullying or even disparagement of their gender," which is literally sexism.

      But you, and others like you, have added "institutional or systemic" to the definitions. And then you tell other people that they're wrong if they use those words without that implicit addition.

      What I call racism you call prejudice based on race (which is the dictionary definition of racism). And what you call racism I call systemic racism. I've met plenty of people who will readily acknowledge that systemic racism and sexism exist and are important problems. They'll also readily acknowledge that white men in America cannot be victims of systemic sexism and racism (although the patriarchal system is detrimental to men in various ways, but that's another discussion). They just use slightly different language than you do.

      Trying to impose a new definition on words that are thoroughly entrenched in our language makes you come across as an asshat and makes people stop listening. Maybe this whole conversation would go better if you didn't tell an enormous swath of the country that their consensus definitions are wrong and just resigned yourself to putting the word "systemic" in front.

    6. Re:The opressed can not opress by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 1

      Per the original definition, America "with a K" would be a second-world country. This terminology is from the Cold War. NATO = First World, WARSAW Pact =2nd World, everything else=3rd World.

    7. Re:The opressed can not opress by chuckugly · · Score: 1

      Someone needs to refresh their understanding of the definition of 3rd world.

    8. Re:The opressed can not opress by Solandri · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That is self-contradictory. If discrimination against an individual male can be justified because of the average traits of males as a whole can legitimately warrant that discrimination, then discrimination against any individual can be justified because of the average traits of the larger group he/she belongs to.

      The whole point of anti-stereotype and anti-discrimination statutes is to prohibit using average traits of the group an individual belongs to as justification for sanctions against that individual. The assumption being that while the stereotype may be true of the group on average, it may not be true of a particular individual who belongs to that group, and it is wrong to pre-assume that individual exhibits those traits and thus must be sanctioned for it.

      In other words, you cannot pick and choose which groups get protection from discrimination and stereotyping. Either all are protected, or none are. Either applying the average traits of a group to all individual members of that group is OK, or it is wrong.

    9. Re:The opressed can not opress by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 1

      Based on mi's past posts, this was pretty certainly meant to be tongue-in-cheek. I post like this also on occasion.

    10. Re:The opressed can not opress by Derekloffin · · Score: 1

      My Poe senses are tingling... but unfortunately I do know people this stupid actually exist so I'm not sure.

    11. Re:The opressed can not opress by orgelspieler · · Score: 1

      Pretty sure that's what Trump has in mind. Dump NATO while fellating Putin. Of course, he thinks we're a third world country, so second world would be a step up?

    12. Re:The opressed can not opress by mi · · Score: 1

      I would've thought, a link to DailyKos combined with an Obama-mocking signature provides enough of a clue...

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  5. Sounds like the UK civil service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In the UK civil service they introduced a performance management system with bands:

    Must improve
    Achieved
    Exceeded

    A certain percentage of employees must be in each band.

    Most civil service middle managers are women. And what do you know... the percentage of men put into "must improve" is almost double that of women. 'Cos it's much easier for women to fuck over men than their gal pals. That's on top of the blatant discrimination against men that goes on in customer facing roles - where all the real opportunities and back office jobs are reserved for gal pals of female managers.

    It's a disgrace. It's right there in the stats. Male employees have publicly asked "what's being done to address this" and get fobbed off every time. The Civil Service doesn't BADLY want to answer that question - even though, by the definitions they set up, it is rock solid evidence of discrimination.

    It just goes to show. Women show an in-group preference for other women and try to push out men. Men get little or no development unless they grab whatever chances they can and move onto other jobs... fast.

    1. Re:Sounds like the UK civil service by alvinrod · · Score: 1

      Women show an in-group preference for other women and try to push out men.

      Actually, this isn't entirely true. I recall reading one study where although that there was some statistical support for that statement in the general sense, women were incredibly biased against hiring other women they perceived as being more attractive than themselves. I'll have to see if I can find it again because it was pretty interesting as far as some of the results went.

    2. Re:Sounds like the UK civil service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's even worse in NHS trusts where the vast majority of middle and upper management are women. When I worked there female starters were fast tracked for promotion despite their lack of qualifications, experience or capability; while men were only viewed as suitable for technical and menial roles. Thankfully there is no performance management system like the civil service but I'm sure the result would be the same as you experienced.

    3. Re:Sounds like the UK civil service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The first red flag for me here is that a certain percentage of employees MUST be put in each band. That doesn't help at all to make good objective decisions. If a group of ten employees is working well why should a manager be forced to label a certain percentage of their team as "must improve" this just hurts my head. it's bad management right out of the gate, before you even get into protected classes.

    4. Re:Sounds like the UK civil service by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      You're making the assumptions that the men and women are equally competent, which isn't a given. Why are the managers mostly women?

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    5. Re:Sounds like the UK civil service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Why are the most senior managers men?

      Women claim this is evidence of discrimination. Ask them your question and see what happens.

    6. Re:Sounds like the UK civil service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      As someone who used to work in state government (in a red state, no less), I can tell you the same thing is happening in the U.S.

      Management roles are increasingly reserved exclusively for women and men are being forced into menial labor roles and other shitty jobs, with little-to-no chance of advancement. This has gotten particularly bad in agencies with women directors. I worked at an agency where a female director came in and appointed an executive management team comprised almost exclusively of women and a few minorities. And none of us evil white males dared say a word against it, because we knew it would cost us our jobs.

      As you can imagine, I find the leftist idea that white men somehow have all the power in this world to be particularly laughable. We sure as shit didn't have all the power where I worked (or any power at all, for that matter).

    7. Re:Sounds like the UK civil service by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Interesting, do you have any links related to this because Google didn't turn up anything? It's all just stuff about women taking legal action to get equal pay.

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    8. Re:Sounds like the UK civil service by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      oooh I can play too.

      So there's this thing I'm totally not going to provide any links for where women are just awful to men and men are horribly oppressed. Now please feel the outrage. I can also RANDOMLY capitalise the odd word to.

      Also women, boo!

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    9. Re:Sounds like the UK civil service by Kartu · · Score: 1

      Thanks for sharing with us that "you read some study that" without linking it.

    10. Re:Sounds like the UK civil service by Kartu · · Score: 1

      When most managers are men, it's because of a bias.
      When most managers are women, it's because... oh wait, they are better.

      Got it.

    11. Re:Sounds like the UK civil service by Kartu · · Score: 1

      He was talking about gender stats in UK civil service, what is the cause for them is a different question.

    12. Re:Sounds like the UK civil service by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      No, he was making stuff up about gender stats in the civil service.

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    13. Re:Sounds like the UK civil service by Cederic · · Score: 1

      There were statistically significant differences between the performance ratings by gender in
      11 out of the 17 departments and for the Civil Service overall (See Appendix 1 Table A1.1).
      When interpreting these data, it would appear that the explanation for the variation in ratings
      relates to two factors. Firstly, in all departments women were more likely to receive âExceedâ(TM)
      performance ratings than men (notably in DECC DCMS, CO, HMT, DfT and DFID) and
      secondly, in all departments except the Cabinet Office, men were more likely to receive a
      âMust Improveâ(TM) rating (notably in HMRC, DCMS, HMT, BIS, DCLG and DEFRA).

      See my reply above for a link to the study.

    14. Re:Sounds like the UK civil service by Cederic · · Score: 1

      You need to learn how to use Google.
      http://www.pcs.org.uk/download...

      Covers variation by age, race and disability too.

    15. Re:Sounds like the UK civil service by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Interesting, it looks like they need to improve in a number of areas. Quite concerning that there appears to be bias against men there, correlated with higher proportions of female employees. Looks like basically the same issue as women have when there are more male employees, and the solution is likely to be the same too.

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    16. Re:Sounds like the UK civil service by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      interesting. That's going to take some time to wade through, but it does seem like there may be bias. That's not good and they should certainly fix any systematic biases.

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  6. Income is down, so... by MMC+Monster · · Score: 5, Funny

    She was probably just trying to curtail cost by firing the male employees.

    Wasn't this reported in The Onion?

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  7. targets are working 60 - 80 hours and H1B! by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    targets are working 60 - 80 hours and H1B!

  8. lesson purge males = sure fail and bankruptcy by sittingnut · · Score: 4, Insightful

    mayer never learned that civilization and all good things are results of males trying to impress women.
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    anyway,
    companies should stick to making money for investors through legal means.
    companies should not be engaged in politics and social justice activism and engineering(unless that part of their business, as with some pr or lobbying firms ).

    if investors and employees want to engage in any of that, do it privately with own money.

    but they want to do "good"(usually for their own self interested motivations) with other peoples' money.

  9. Marissa, Holmes, and Pao should combine by JoeyRox · · Score: 5, Funny

    And start a new company that combines their core strengths of incompetency, fraud, and perpetual social injustice. They can name the company "Loss Carry Forward, Inc."

  10. A question for westerners by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I need you westerners to explain something about this feminism fart of yours.

    Why is it, and everything along with it, lead by white women?
    White women are unarguably the most privileged class on this planet.
    - Most prefer white women for dating as dating app surveys showcase.
    - Most judicial systems are biased towards white women like no other race or gender on this planet.
    - They are much more likely to get away with anything and everything than any other class.
    - They have the biggest proportion of material wealth given to them for free/without work/without expended effort on this planet unlike any other class. Through history, most luxury resources, animal hides, bling, leathers, every-fucking-thing exploited from colonization, ended up in the rooms and on the bodies of white women.
    - Is there a discussion being had among a diverse group of people? White women always get the lead.
    - For some reason, white women are the "representative leadership" for minority groups that have nothing to do with them. Case in point the LGBT for some reason, albeit the LGBT is questioning their involvement.
    - White women were never prosecuted for their gender alone, or their skin alone. They were never forced to wear veils, they were never forced to mutilate their clits, they were never hanged and burned for being women like homosexuals and blacks were for their sexuality and skin color respectively. The closest thing they ever got was witch burning, though that has nothing to do with gender but more individual questionable practices.

    What the fuck is the point of this social justice shit if justice is being defined by the most unjust privileged class in the world - white women?

    1. Re:A question for westerners by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Pretty much agree with your points, although historically white women did get burnt as witches and treated badly in various ways, they've had a relatively less painful time compared to various minorities throughout history.

      Truth is the social justice stuff is basically a way for big business to sell more shit to white women. In order to do so they have to mock & belittle men/the poor. This is why men are always dipshits on commercials. This is why tiny teenage girls are super-warriors on film. We've built our global economy around conspicuous consumption geared towards the whims of white women and therefore need to construct a media bubble based around boosting the esteem of the ladies.

      Men of course can fuck off. Good-looking rich men are okay as they are aspired to by rich white women. Nerds, fatties, the average-looking, the average-achieving males are basically worthless. Attempts to make them consume like hungry hippos tend to fail so the only thing left is to keep pushing the tat out to the women and hope they keep on buying. Sadly this has resulted in a generation of neurotic females and depressed to shit males, but hey, at least those profits keep coming in.

    2. Re:A question for westerners by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 4, Insightful

      White female teacher has sex with 15 year old student. Gets a slap on the wrist.

      White male teacher has sex with 15 year old student. Gets life ruined, sex offender, and a lengthy prison sentence during which his life will be in danger every day.

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    3. Re:A question for westerners by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      So you know nothing about the last few thousand years of history

      Are you somehow time traveling here to post, and then going back to live a thousand years ago? No? I see.

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    4. Re:A question for westerners by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      Truth is the social justice stuff is basically a way for big business to sell more shit to white women.

      There's a good reason for this: women in the US today control more money through household spending than men. Women have jobs and earn almost as much as men now, so if they're single, they of course control all their own money, but then if they're married, they also have disproportionate control of the household money (which usually comes from two earners, the wife and the husband). The only time men have full control over finances and spending is when 1) they're single, or 2) they're extremely conservative religious nuts (and even this one I question; it's usually women who push religion and are more religious).

    5. Re:A question for westerners by russotto · · Score: 3, Informative

      This is why tiny teenage girls are super-warriors on film.

      I thought that was so could cast hot 20-something actresses in those roles and put them in tight and revealing clothing.

    6. Re:A question for westerners by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Not true, in the US (and I believe Western Europe too), studies show women of South East Asian descent get the most positive reaction on dating apps. White men, and SE Asian women have the advantage on dating apps.

      Citation needed; I've never heard of such a thing. SE Asian women usually means Filipinos, and I have tons of them messaging me on OKC all the time. I just ignore them, because they're all gold-diggers looking for a way to emigrate to the US. I rarely see SE Asian women already living here, and on dating sites. When I do, they're usually a nanny, and again seem to be looking for a set-up.

      The women who seem to be most popular and thus picky are the 20-30-something white women who are pretty, in shape, and well-employed (college educated). Of course, this seems to go to their heads because then I also see a bunch of late-30s and 40s women just like this, who apparently never "settled" for anyone and now they're getting lonely and wanting to have kids before they're biologically unable to, and they're starting to seem pretty desperate.

      Here in the west no race are forced to mutilate their genitalia.

      Actually, this is doubly false.

      Male babies are still frequently mutilated in the USA, and the medical establishment still backs up this practice even though the European medical establishment gave up on this decades ago.

      Female Muslim babes, usually in places like the UK, are frequently flown to Africa by their families and mutilated. There's starting to be more action against this, but it's slow because the families and parents are complicit, along with anyone else in the religion (so if they only see Muslim doctors, no one might find out).

    7. Re:A question for westerners by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      So you know nothing about the last few thousand years of history or anything about society before you were born.

      It's entirely irrelevant to discuss the societal position of white women historically when we are discussing "why are white women leading feminism".

      White women are not responsible for the bad or good actions of their ancestors. Everyone on this planet, regardless of race or gender should only be judged on what THEY do, not what their ancestors did.

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    8. Re:A question for westerners by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      Apologies... I thought that your reply was to my reply above. Got my indentation wrong.

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    9. Re:A question for westerners by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This, and we can add paternity bs in France and Germany, alimony and guardianship which is geared towards white women (but since news articles finally started going out for the past few years about the horrid ways some women mistreat their children, things have been geared to treat alimony and guardianship over children more objectively),
      and not a single case or news article about unequal pay geared against men of all races in the fashion industry (until BBC and whoever they took the article from finally revealed that unequal pay is not inherently a female problem),
      and much more.
      Even female criminals get unequal sentences for the same crimes to their male counterparts, albeit this is mostly a problem in countries with non-European judicial systems where there is no precedent like in the American system and everything is defined.

    10. Re:A question for westerners by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      Just to clarify according to an article on the slate- a study of this very subject showed that men have an average sentence of 16 years longer that women.

      HOWEVER, when you compare by crime the statistics are closer:

      Men who have sex with a single 15 year old get on average just 14 months imprisonment.
      Women who have sex with a single 15 year old get on average 18 months imprisonment.

      The 30 year sentencing for sex crimes are for violent, repeat offenders, or for someone who targets younger children.

      Women just don't do that. They typically have a single victim, it's non-violent, and the child is just a year or two from age of consent.

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    11. Re:A question for westerners by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Men were also accused of witchcraft and executed. The term "witch" was gender neutral at the time.

    12. Re:A question for westerners by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2

      Not true, in the US (and I believe Western Europe too), studies show women of South East Asian descent get the most positive reaction on dating apps. White men, and SE Asian women have the advantage on dating apps.

      Citation needed; I've never heard of such a thing.

      Google it. There are studies done on this all the time and they always come up with the same answer.

      This is the first link when I googled it: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sci...

      Male babies are still frequently mutilated in the USA, and the medical establishment still backs up this practice even though the European medical establishment gave up on this decades ago.

      Are you seriously comparing male circumcision to female genital mutilation? Male circumcision may be completely unnecessary (I choose to not circumcise my son), but it is a completely different animal. The complications from the procedure are less frequent than those from piercing ears, or getting tattoos.

      If you think male and female circumcision are in any way similar, you don't understand how horrific female genital mutilation is.

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    13. Re:A question for westerners by ausekilis · · Score: 3, Interesting
      As a white guy I'll take a crack at this (and likely be downvoted, but hey...):

      I need you westerners to explain something about this feminism fart of yours.

      Why is it, and everything along with it, lead by white women?

      Most of the "-isms" we love to carry on about in the U.S. stem from some notion of a group of people being underserved or underrepresented in some way. Take a look at the racism/feminism allegations being thrown around in Silicon Valley.

      White women are unarguably the most privileged class on this planet. - Most prefer white women for dating as dating app surveys showcase. - Most judicial systems are biased towards white women like no other race or gender on this planet. - They are much more likely to get away with anything and everything than any other class.

      Yes, the media-popularized form of beauty is largely "white woman", or with features similar to a white woman. There have been studies that show beautiful people are typically seen as more trustworthy, which may account for getting away with stuff.

      I would have to see evidence of judicial systems biasing toward white women. I do know that in custody disputes, the law is typically on the Mother's side... But that's a gender focus, not a race focus.

      - They have the biggest proportion of material wealth given to them for free/without work/without expended effort on this planet unlike any other class. Through history, most luxury resources, animal hides, bling, leathers, every-fucking-thing exploited from colonization, ended up in the rooms and on the bodies of white women.

      Again, would need to see evidence of this. For every Paris Hilton there's thousands of "Women of Wal-Mart". The same is true for every Nicki Minaj.

      - Is there a discussion being had among a diverse group of people? White women always get the lead.

      Not always. Susana Martinez is Governor of New Mexico. Woman? Yes. White? No. Michelle Obama has started a great deal of public discussions about assorted issues. Another example of an extremely influential woman is Oprah Winfrey. One of the most prominent physicists today is Neil DeGrasse Tyson. Musicians? Race and gender are all over the map, just depends on the style of music. Athletes? again, all over the map, but it depends on the sport.

      - White women were never prosecuted for their gender alone, or their skin alone. They were never forced to wear veils, they were never forced to mutilate their clits, they were never hanged and burned for being women like homosexuals and blacks were for their sexuality and skin color respectively. The closest thing they ever got was witch burning, though that has nothing to do with gender but more individual questionable practices.

      Now you are conflating foreign (from the U.S.) religious beliefs and cultural behaviors. Islamic women cover due to their faith, in certain parts of the world that faith is also the government (to a degree), so they will be punished for improper attire.

      In some cultures women are mutilated as part of a right of passage. To say nothing about circumcision, some other modern cultures that will circumcise or mutilate a boy as part of his right of passage into manhood. When was the last time you heard of this happening in any first-world country?

      White women did get prosecuted, for centuries. Just like women in every other patriarchal society. Women were bought and sold for their hand in marriage. Women did not have a voice in government. Women were used as a sort of parlay between kingdoms to promote peace and an alliance. Hell, women are considered unclean for 7 days a month according to the Bible.

      What the fuck is the point of this social justice shit if justice is being defined by the most unjust privileged class in the world - white women?

      Wait, so you're telling me that all the backlash towar

    14. Re:A question for westerners by vel-ex-tech · · Score: 2

      Can you cite a law in any country that grants white women a judicial privilege no one else gets?

      Gladly! Well, I can't say it's just white women..., but anybody assigned the female gender at birth has the privilege of having their genital integrity protected by law.

      I'm also looking in the general direction of conscription. Let me phrase it this way. Anybody assigned the female gender at birth has the privilege of enjoyment of military protection without needing to register for selective service.

      Here in the west no race are forced to mutilate their genitalia.

      My genitals were mutilated at birth. That was forced, you asshole. I have suffered a FUCKING lot of physical PAIN because of a complication. My ex-parents never told me that they had mutilated my genitals.

    15. Re:A question for westerners by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      Can you cite a law in any country that grants white women a judicial privilege no one else gets?

      Gladly! Well, I can't say it's just white women..., but anybody assigned the female gender at birth has the privilege of having their genital integrity protected by law.

      I'm also looking in the general direction of conscription. Let me phrase it this way. Anybody assigned the female gender at birth has the privilege of enjoyment of military protection without needing to register for selective service.

      Here in the west no race are forced to mutilate their genitalia.

      My genitals were mutilated at birth. That was forced, you asshole. I have suffered a FUCKING lot of physical PAIN because of a complication. My ex-parents never told me that they had mutilated my genitals.

      Conscription is a very valid point, although as you point out that isn't just white women. The OP's claim was that white women had a legal advantage that no other group has. I still can't think of one example of a law that applies just to white women that gives them an unfair advantage over all others.

      Sorry you genitals were mutilated, but, (I'm sure little comfort to you) that is still very uncommon, numbers-wise in the west. Typically it is only done on non-westerners by non-westerners living in the west and frequently involves taking them out of the west to get the procedure done.

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    16. Re:A question for westerners by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Why is it, and everything along with it, lead by white women?

      Modern middle class feminism is a direct social substitute for religion and traditional values.

      The type of woman or man who would lean heavily on such older mores, both as a form of social status and of social control, find these mores currently unacceptable or actually of negative worth in today's society. Hence they must find another form of social moralising. Enter modern feminism. Whether by co-opt or design, it has become the haunt of barely concealed middle class scolds, demaning that their values (and more importantly their social status) be imposed on the population at large and all hetrodoxies exiled from polite society.

      The "white" is part of it too. Previously white women held a superior status in society by their skin color alone. Now in an egalitarian world, this advantage is removed. Rather than simply accept this relative demotion, many will seek out other forms of social advantage. In the case of modern feminists, this is the position of the "thoughtleader" or general Blockleiter of the female class. This is a reasonably time-consuming, not inexpensive, reading required and above all controlling position which is simply out of the question as a part-time occupation for the vast majority of women in minority, disadvantaged, or poverty striken communities. For Ms. Smith, posessed of independent means (read. family money), pots of free time, and an instinctual desire for middle class control, it is a natural occupation.

      I don't think anyone meant for this all to get so catastrophically out of hand. But then again, I doubt anyone explicitly planned the financial crisis or the coming war with Russia either. We simply have, as in so many areas today, cadres of rational, self-interest maximisers, maximizing themselves and the rest of us down the linearly optimized path to ruin.

    17. Re:A question for westerners by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      That link seems like BS. I've never even heard of AYI, and can't imagine what kind of idiot would use a Facebook app for dating. Everyone these days uses Tinder, OKCupid, and a few others like match.com, eharmony, etc. OKC has by far the best data analyses.

      Secondly, your claim is contradicted by your link. Your link states that Asian women are most popular. You claimed that southeast Asian women were the most popular. There's a LOT more to Asia (and even far-east Asia) than SE Asia. Most notably, you're leaving out Korea, Japan, and China, by far the most populous parts of the far East! My main objection was your claim about SE Asians.

      Finally, your link is a .uk link, so it's not representative of the US or western Europe.

      As an aside, that article really sucked because it didn't show the relative popularities of the different linkings. How much more popular are Asian women with white men than white women, for instance? It doesn't say. It could be huge, or it could be 0.1%. And it kept saying something about "there times more often". If someone can't even figure out how to spell the word "three" (not just one typo, they misspelled it multiple times), I really don't have any faith in the rest of their writing.

      Anyway, I won't deny that (non-specific) Asian women are disproportionately more popular, and that black women are the most unpopular comes as no surprise at all as I've seen that statistic many, many times. But given how many white-man-Asian-woman vs. white-man-white-woman couples I see, combined with the actual numbers of Asian women here in the US (there really aren't that many, compared to white, black, and Latino; they're easily the smallest group), this just seems rather contrived.

      Are you seriously comparing male circumcision to female genital mutilation?

      I never said one was just as bad as the other, but they're both of the same mentality. They both involve mutilating the sexual organs of an unconsenting child for purely religious purposes (even if people refuse to admit that's the reason). It's just like comparing Erdogan with Hitler; one is clearly worse than the other, but this doesn't mean you can't draw comparisons, and also condemn both as bad.

    18. Re:A question for westerners by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      It's not just white women. Of the top of my head, Angela Davis, Franchesca Ramsey, Laverne Cox, Kshama Sawant, Michelle Alexander...

      Also, feminism as a movent has embraced intersectionality, that is how feminism intersects with race issues, LGBT issues, poverty, class issues and more. In fact, it was the first to identify it.

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    19. Re:A question for westerners by jbengt · · Score: 1

      White female teacher has sex with 15 year old student. Gets a slap on the wrist.
      White male teacher has sex with 15 year old student. Gets life ruined, sex offender, and a lengthy prison sentence . . .

      The issue seems to be less what the gender of the offender is, and more what the gender of the victim is. (Though homophobia would possibly work against a same-sex offender even more)

    20. Re:A question for westerners by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      Pretty much agree with your points, although historically white women did get burnt as witches and treated badly in various ways, they've had a relatively less painful time compared to various minorities throughout history.

      White men were also massively oppressed, used as cannon fodder, used as indentured servants, without political representation or economic freedom.

      The fact that a small elite of white men were oppressors doesn't generalize to white men in general.

      And Hillary is much closer in her social, economic, and professional status to white male oppressors than to the average white male. Her pretext of speaking for women and minorities is simply to distract you from her greed, lust for power, corruption, and dishonesty.

    21. Re:A question for westerners by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Male circumcision may be completely unnecessary (I choose to not circumcise my son), but it is a completely different animal.

      No. It's still irreversible genital mutilation done to somebody that can not give consent.

      Don't go telling me this should be legal.

    22. Re:A question for westerners by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Sorry you genitals were mutilated, but, (I'm sure little comfort to you) that is still very uncommon, numbers-wise in the west.

      55% of US male babies have their genitals mutilated. That's a massive reduction on previous numbers.

      I'm not sure I'd call that "uncommon".

    23. Re:A question for westerners by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Technically she makes a sizeable net contribution.

      The Crown Estates are her hereditary holdings and generate a lot of revenue that goes to the Government, far outweighing the stipend she receives in return - it's explicitly only 15% of the Crown Estates net revenue.

      She's also extremely hard working.

      There's room for challenge on whether she should be able to inherit those estates and holdings, but the British royal family do currently receive far less than they contribute.

    24. Re:A question for westerners by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      America loves hot, white, jailbait ass.

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    25. Re:A question for westerners by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      If you want more specifics, use google. Plenty more articles on the subject. Also, try google maps for geography. The UK is in Western Europe.

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    26. Re:A question for westerners by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      The UK is only nominally part of western Europe. Ask anyone in continental western Europe if the UK is "European" and likely they'll disagree, especially now with Brexit. There's a very large cultural difference between the UK and continental western Europe. Additionally, there's a huge cultural difference between either of those and the USA, which is what I'm talking about. The groups of immigrants that are prevalent, and other ethnic groups, are quite different between the 3.

      Finally, you never did address my point about southeast Asia. Are you still convinced that Korea and Japan are part of southeast Asia?

  11. Re:Suck it up. Be a man. by Mashiki · · Score: 1

    And there's the sexist. Funny how many people seem to think that the mentality of the 1950's and earlier is just so progressive these days. Then want to turn the world from one where only merit matters to the same one that existed prior to the civil rights act, equality acts, and so on.

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  12. Typo in the summary? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 5, Informative

    The title says it was a "male purge" but also says "That allegation was not tied to gender." Reading the article it says women were less than 20% of the chief editors and within 18 months it was 80%. The main plaintiff does not actually single out Mayer but another editor Megan Liberman. Also the summary fails to mention that this lawsuit was about Yahoo News not Yahoo overall.

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    1. Re:Typo in the summary? by orgelspieler · · Score: 1

      Yes. Slashdot does seem to hate SJWs. Though for the life of me, I don't really know why.

    2. Re:Typo in the summary? by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      What typo? The summary says "His lawsuit also claims" (emphasis mine), making it clear that this is an additional claim beyond the original one about the "male purge".

      And the lawsuit IS about Yahoo overall and Mayer specifically (in addition to Megan Liberman and Kathy Savitt, the former chief marketing officer). The guy was the head of editorial programming for Yahoo's home page, not just their news page, so while he may have worked in the News division, his work was seen by millions of people every day on yahoo.com. As for Mayer, he's alleging that the review system she introduced was purposefully rigged so as to allow for mass layoffs without calling them such (which is apparently illegal in California).

      Honestly, most of it sounds like sour grapes to me. A lot of the numbers look like they've been obviously cherry-picked to favor the plaintiff, but it is an interesting suit, nonetheless.

      The suit seems to suggest that Savitt and Liberman were the ones using the rigged review system that Mayer had set up. As the story goes, Savitt did the hiring and promoting (87% women, 13% men into senior-level positions), while Liberman did the demoting and firing (giving the plaintiff's prestigious job to a newly-hired woman despite "fully satisfactory" performance reviews prior to Liberman's arrival; unilaterally lowering performance scores for three men working under the plaintiff while leaving the scores of two women alone, with the implication being that she had no basis to evaluate any of them; firing the plaintiff for failing to do work he had not only finished, but had already reviewed with her).

      And Mayer's role was allegedly in creating a system that was designed to allow her to eliminate huge swaths of the company for fabricated performance reasons. And why would she want to do that? Apparently so that she could cut the bottom line without having to call them layoffs, since calling them layoffs would raise shareholder concerns and trigger requirements under California law regarding disclosure to and retraining of Yahoo's employees. Rigging the system so they could say they were merely firing underperforming employees en masse would potentially be in violation of those laws.

      Again, the claims being made honestly sound like the typical tripe we hear from most of these gender-based suits, regardless of the gender of the person filing the suit. For instance, I mentioned that Liberman is claimed to have lowered the men's scores but not the women's, and they make that claim immediately after they said that the system allowed managers to alter scores unilaterally for people they had no contact with, presumably so that you'd think she made those changes for no good reason. But they never said that was the case with Liberman, so she very likely actually did have a basis to evaluate them. And while the suit says she lowered scores for three men and kept the scores for two women, for all we know she also kept the scores the same for twenty other men and lowered them for eighty other women.

      So yeah, I wouldn't put much stock in the suit's claims. As I said above, it sounds like sour grapes to me.

    3. Re:Typo in the summary? by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      Doesn't EVERYBODY hate SJWs?

    4. Re:Typo in the summary? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      It's Friday, the day when Slashdot traditionally posts a conservative/anti-feminist outrage piece. The summary rarely reflects the facts, and it's only slightly more common for TFA to.

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  13. Why bother submitting stories? by whoever57 · · Score: 1

    Clearly, the editors do not read submissions, since I submitted this story almost 12 hours before msmash posted it.

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    1. Re:Why bother submitting stories? by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      That's because you're a guy and Slashdot prioritizes submissions from women higher. I think you should sue Slashdot for gender discrimination.

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    2. Re:Why bother submitting stories? by CustomSolvers2 · · Score: 1

      Your comment makes lots of sense because the OP was clearly complaining about gender-based bias (sarcasm).

      I guess that you are joking, but your post shows another side of this whole problem: random attacks. Talking about A and getting an aggressive reaction blindly defending B. I have even seen quite a few cases very similar to this specific situation, with a self-invited aggressive reaction coming from nowhere.

      I have always been pro-equality on each single front, but there are many pro-equality/empty-PC attitudes which don't represent me. Internet seems to be an excellent channel for fanatics to defend anything as they have always done (unreasonably, aggressively, by trying to force others and as part of blindly-supporting groups). Social justice issues seem to be quite attractive to them; these ideas are popular and, theoretically, easily enforceable.

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    3. Re:Why bother submitting stories? by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      Yes, I'm joking, I didn't think it could be mistaken for anything other than a joke, certainly not an aggressive reaction.

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    4. Re:Why bother submitting stories? by CustomSolvers2 · · Score: 1

      If it wasn't a joke it would have been an aggressive reaction, a perfect sample to support my point (similar attitudes being completely serious do happen). Sorry if I bothered you.

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  14. I'm sure that will do wonders by ooloorie · · Score: 1

    Yahoo already has a big morale problem and trouble attracting people. I'm sure this kind of gender bias will do wonders for their ability to recruit.

  15. Pretty much. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The feminist movement is very successfully transforming our culture to one in which men are punished simply for being men.

    More and more men are waking up, refusing to marry, in some cases keeping few-if-any female friends and minimizing business interaction with women as much as possible. The best way to protect one's self against a minefield is to walk through it as little as possible.

    1. Re:Pretty much. by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      If you're that paranoid, all you need to do is get a vasectomy. It can be done in a short office visit.

    2. Re:Pretty much. by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Vasectomies do not protect a man from false accusations of sexual harassment, stalking, assault, rape, etc.

      This is extremely rare, and only shows your paranoia. In fact, here in the US I'd bet that the *vast* majority of false rape accusations come from wives in contested divorces (it happened to a friend of my ex-wife's; it didn't go far because the police didn't believe it, probably because it's so common for women like this to cry rape to try to get more out of the divorce proceedings).

      Nor do they protect a man from losing most of everything he has earned in a divorce.

      No one's forcing you to marry. I just recommended a vasectomy. If you're so obviously paranoid about getting screwed over by women, but then you're dumb enough to agree to marry one, then I don't know what to tell you.

      Believe it or not, a vasectomy doesn't always protect a man from child support payments, both in a live-together-then-breakup situation (where he inherits financial obligations for kids that were born before they ever met) or blatant false fathership claims.

      Bullshit. Citation needed. The only time I've heard of men being forced to pay child support for kids that weren't theirs is when they were married, and didn't contest the paternity early on. If you're just living with a girlfriend and she turns up pregnant and you contest the paternity right away (and you're proven right by a DNA test), and then kick her out for cheating, there's pretty much no way you'll get stuck with child support. Most of this kind of thing comes from the old days before DNA testing anyway.

      And besides, just like getting married, letting someone move in with you is your own choice. If you're really this paranoid, it's pretty simple: get a vasectomy, don't marry anyone, and don't move in with anyone. The legal system is not going to saddle you with obligations to any women if all you do is screw them and are completely unable to make a baby with them. Of course, with an attitude like yours, I have a hard time imagining what women would ever want to date you, unless she's an obvious gold-digger, or horribly desperate and stupid.

  16. Re:Patriarchal Society gets a 'Come-up-ins'... by fche · · Score: 1

    POE ALERT

  17. Re:Patriarchal Society gets a 'Come-up-ins'... by Holi · · Score: 1

    I will welcome them too, but only if I get sent to the sex mines.

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  18. Re:Suck it up. Be a man. by alvinrod · · Score: 2

    Sexist? The poster was clearly commenting about the Jews.

  19. Re:Patriarchal Society gets a 'Come-up-ins'... by jbssm · · Score: 2

    And it worked out really nice for Yahoo! Let woman run the all world as they did in Yahoo and we'll have a new age of enlightenment for sure.

  20. That's what all perf-reviews do. by T.E.D. · · Score: 1

    "Mayer encouraged and fostered the use of (an employee performance-rating system) to accommodate management's subjective biases and personal opinions

    Just like every performance-rating system ever used since the device was invented? Yeah, that's bad, but courts almost always let them slide anyway. What's new here?

    , to the detriment of Yahoo's male employees,"

    Ahhhh. Now I think I see the problem.

  21. Sounds about right by sgt_doom · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yahoo is so fooked up on sooo many levels, anything is now believable about it, especially ever since Jerry Yang handed over pro-democracy activists to the Chinese government to be disappeared --- effing jackhole, burn in Hell forever!!!! This reminds me of that story in the business section of USA Today back around 2002 or thereabouts, when all the males in an IT department of a corporation were being replaced by foreign visa workers --- the women workers were all quiet about it, until they began replacing them with foreign visa workers, then they started screaming, but the judge ruled against them for whatever treasonous and obscene reason. Since 1999, America has been a net importer of tech services, and around half or more of new IT hires today are foreign visa workers. What's that Martin Feldstein? What's that Obama? You say there's full employment today? Perhaps of foreigners in America, there is, douchetards . . . .

    1. Re:Sounds about right by alvinrod · · Score: 1

      To be fair, it's probably better to import foreign workers to the U.S. who will pay taxes than it is to lose that money to overseas competition. If we could set up some kind of swap system where we get Vijay or Min that can do something of value for society we trade Bubba and Charlene who are just going to soak up government assistance it would be fine. Most of the people in America are children of previous foreigners, or if you really want to go back far enough everyone on the continent originally came from the old world at some point. Who gives a shit if they work hard, pay their taxes, and don't fuck things up for everyone else?

  22. Re:Patriarchal Society gets a 'Come-up-ins'... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Men are more natural leaders than women, though. It makes sense that men would be over-represented in the pool of leadership positions...a greater percentage of men seek such positions than women, and more men are likely to be naturals at leadership than women.

    Please observe...this comment is not praise or criticism of men or women. Each has their natural strengths and weaknesses, with exceptions here and there on any side.

  23. Re:Patriarchal Society gets a 'Come-up-ins'... by avandesande · · Score: 1

    I hope you are joking. While women have had three or four decades of opportunity to do nobel prize winning research or start a billion dollar company there haven't been any. Men have a greater drive to try crazy things- that is what created the modern world and is what alleviated all the 'sufferings' you mention. Not to mention that men are currently suffering in every educational and economic metric.

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  24. Re:lesson purge males = sure fail and bankruptcy by Phydeaux · · Score: 1
    "companies should not be engaged in politics and social justice activism and engineering"

    This is exactly what is killing Twitter. Outright bans, shadowbans, and their new Safety Center has turned Twitter into Jack Dorsey's own little echo-chamber. He and the staff of Twitter have even broken their own Mission statement by kicking people off the service they don't agree with...

    Our mission: To give everyone the power to create and share ideas and information instantly, without barriers.

    In the end, Twitter is going to crash and burn just like Yahoo for their SLW activities.

  25. Transitioned Out by darkain · · Score: 1

    I guess Yahoo "transitioned out" all of their technical security staff...

  26. Re:Do you really want to work there? by unixisc · · Score: 1

    But that's assuming that they have other jobs waiting for them elsewhere. Working at Yahoo would still beat not working anywhere at all. And we all know how companies are about hiring from the ranks of the unemployed, no matter what the reason

  27. Rode this Merry-Go-Round already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Having rode the "estrogen units are now in charge" merry-go-round twice

    When you see a woman put in charge of a organization like Yahoo, non-profit organization, or other like entity, if you are a testosterone based unit just leave. Soon as you see it, check out as fast as possible. Do not pass go, screw the $200 for staying, go straight to resume-land.

    Have watched too many times where the upper ranks are "suddenly" being filled with females, many of whom are vastly less qualified than male counterpart. Decisions based solely upon the lead estrogen unit desire to create a 100% women lead organization. As a testosterone unit you have zero chance when that thought comes out.

    Think you are going to stay and just be a good worker bee? Yeaahh...don't. Tell co-worker they are wrong? Cue the sexual harassment HR talk. Disagree with direction and guidance of a project ? Stand by for the whispers between estrogen units of "OMG...he is such a creeper." Speak your mind in disagreement with a policy, email, project meeting? Prepare for the to-the-door-security-escort because "I don't feel safe around him" charade.

    And it will fly. Watch a bunch of teenager girls talk about an "unpopular" guy and see how that flows for you. Now, move that to the work-place where they affect your career, because the bitchiness doesn't go away. Especially among the "entitled" ones.

    It just isn't worth it.

  28. Blah Blah Shitty CEO Yadda Yadda by Greyfox · · Score: 1

    Yes, we get it, she was a shitty CEO. So much so that the company was actually worth less than the amount of total cash it had on hand for a while. Yahoo bad management stories aren't really "news" at this point, so much as supporting evidence. It's still a total sausage farm on the "Shittiest CEOs of the Century" list, which I think proves that boards of directors not only do not discriminate on the basis of race, gender and religion, but also on the basis of ability. They seem to be quite happy to give some arbitrary random jackass hundreds of millions of dollars to ideally do practically nothing, as at least that won't impede the company so much. And then when those people inevitably fuck up, they give them hundreds of millions of dollars more to go the fuck away. I believe our corporate batting average would be better if we just randomly assigned CEOs from the phone book. We might do better with congressional seats with that strategy, as well. Yahoo could have hired a rock at a 10th the price and performed better than they did with her. Leave her to her shame and her multi-million dollar golden parachute. We won't be hearing from her again until she publishes her book runs for president, in a few years.

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  29. This is such a non-story.... by gosand · · Score: 2

    There is nothing unique about this story. From reading the article, there is absolutely nothing that hasn't happened a thousand times over in other companies.

    Review systems are inherently flawed at large companies. That's how people are able to hang out for years, just hiding in the woodwork. As long as you keep your head down, you can skate by for your whole career. It can take years to get someone fired, as long as they don't do anything terribly wrong. I once came into manage a team and inherited someone that never should have been hired, but there they were 5 years later and had always gotten "satisfactory" performance reviews. Usually it's because weak managers don't want to deal with problem employees. And you can't fire someone unless they have been on a performance plan. So technically they had 5 years with no problems. Nobody wanted to work with this person, they weren't given anything important to do, etc. It took over a year to get them out of there. (they refused to step up and improve). Why so long? Well, you have to wait until the annual review cycle to give someone a review. I joined in Oct, and the reviews were pretty much set for the year and I was just learning the team. So that person couldn't get a "not meeting expectations" until the NEXT year's review. Then you have to put them on a performance plan, and document everything and prove that they weren't meeting expectations. Then and only then are you allowed to fire them. You can try to encourage them to leave, but you can't fire them. If they are lucky, there are re-orgs (as there always are in big companies) and they get a new manager somewhere during this process, and the fun starts again.

    The article talks about upper management changing ratings? Yeah, happens all the time for various reasons. It could have been that they had to fit people into the pre-defined bell curves. (e.g. 10% bad ratings, 80% ok or good, 10% great) As you roll up the ratings for a large organization, management has to do horse-trading and ranking of people. Top, bottom, and middle performers are safe - it's the ones on the edge of great and bad that usually get their rating changed. THEN if you throw in execs with biases, it adds layers of fun to all the built-in BS.

    I have seen men and women get promoted for inexplicable reasons, and I have also seen people fired for no good reason (even despite the process I described above). And then there are the people that are just gone one day with no explanation. The corporate world sucks, and while I only know about this story what I read in the article, nothing in there sounds surprising. Even if it were true that she was doing a male purge, so what? Even in the male dominated IT world, I have seen women get fired because of the boy's club mentality. It's big business, don't try to make any sense of it.

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    1. Re:This is such a non-story.... by orgelspieler · · Score: 1

      There's two other reasons managers don't fire people. Sometimes they keep hoping to take somebody with a lot of potential, and turn them into the ideal employee. I've had an issue with one of my guys. Rarely does all of his work, always blames other people, but I know he can be a top-notch guy because he has a lot of knowledge, and occasional glimmers of give-a-damn. Sometimes you just don't want to throw in the towel.

      The other reason we don't fire people at my company is because they made it a pain in the ass to hire new people.

    2. Re:This is such a non-story.... by bongey · · Score: 1

      Um going from 20% to 80% female is a problem.

    3. Re:This is such a non-story.... by gosand · · Score: 1

      I suppose it depends on how you define a problem. It could also be cooincidence. The point is we will never really know.

      Look, I had a project manager get all over my case once for having 100% variance in number of forecast hours to actuals.
      I let her vent at me, and then I said calmly "how many hours are we talking about?"

      She paused, then started laughing. It was 1 hour. She was so used to dealing with large (300+ hour) estimates that 100% variance sent her off into thinking it was a big deal. We knew each other well, and this was really a non issue. But I always remember that when someone tells me a percentage of something - always check the numbers behind it. :)

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    4. Re:This is such a non-story.... by gosand · · Score: 1

      Well, tell me this - what good will it do you to worry about it? Or even discuss it?

      You aren't going to change how a company runs. I am not even saying that there was an issue there or not. I am just saying that performance management systems are inherently broken, especially at large companies. I think i am actually a very good manager, because I don't rely on one-size-fits-all antiquated systems to determine how people are performing. I have been around enough large companies to know that there are loopholes in everything. I have also given up on trying to change those things. It is a waste of time. That is why I got out of the large corporate world. I have worked at two companies that had over 200k employees. No more of that for me.

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  30. what a bad time for yahoo by k6mfw · · Score: 1

    First there was 1/2 billion accounts compromised (later raise to a full billion), then spying on messages for the guvmint, and now this. OK so there's some of us smucks with yahoo accounts but we also have many useful yahoogroups for various non-profits and hobbyist groups. Ugh, I hate to abandon all these (probably these might go way of Geocities). There is google groups but seems like they have their share of "baggage." There was usenet....

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  31. Meh. by dskoll · · Score: 4, Insightful

    These are allegations. Of course the guy alleging them will make them as sensational as possible.

    Funny how so many guys get up in arms about "SJWs" when this guy seems to be a male version of the dreaded SJW.

    1. Re:Meh. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      It makes more sense when you realise that people who use the term SJW usually do all the things they complain about themselves. In this case it's the standard complaint that SJWs think women can't be sexist, only in reverse (men can't be sexist). Men have all the privilege in the patriarchy becomes women have all the power in the gynocracy.

      It's basic projection, they think that way so assume everyone else does.

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      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    2. Re:Meh. by Kartu · · Score: 1

      We have "you can't be sexist vs white male" in this very thread, don't pretend it's made up.

  32. Re:Only one explanation by ScentCone · · Score: 3, Informative

    You're a gay Trump supporter?

    Why wouldn't he be? Whether or not Trump personally would enter into a gay marriage, he was in public talking plainly about how happy he was for (his casual acquaintance) Elton John to have married his long-time partner, and that people should be cool with it. At the same time, Hillary Clinton was voicing her support for her husband's signing of a law to prevent such things, and Barack Obama was sticking with his "marriage should be between one man and one woman" position. Trump has created more jobs jumped-on by gay people (in the entertainment, pagent, and hospitality businesses) that Hillary Clinton ever could or would. Why shouldn't a gay person support him? Are gay people supposed to like illegal immigration, higher taxes, more regulation, feckless foreign policy, and a nanny state that makes class and racial tensions WORSE instead of better? Please explain.

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  33. Re:Suck it up. Be a man. by Archtech · · Score: 1

    Then want to turn the world from one where only merit matters to the same one that existed prior to the civil rights act, equality acts, and so on.

    And there it is: that simple little word "merit". It can mean almost anything that anyone wants it to, and thus legitimates almost any act. As far as I can see, in a meritocracy merit is defined as the collection of qualities that enable you to get to the top. Which are probably the same qualities that enable anyone to get to the top of any organization. Which, as we can see by inspection of our top CEOs and political leaders, are entirely compatible with (and maybe identical to) selfishness, the ability to fake friendliness, skill in manipulation, callousness and cold calculation.

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  34. Re:Only one explanation by HBI · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually most of the gays I know are Trump supporters in general. Since they generally know where the best food is, where the best bars are, and always seem to be having fun and have way more sex than most people do, one must wonder if they have some insight into this choice as well.

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  35. Re:Patriarchal Society gets a 'Come-up-ins'... by ScentCone · · Score: 1

    Don't you mean "comeuppance"? Or am I missing something?

    No, you're not missing anything. The GP is a woman, and can't spell.

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  36. Re:Patriarchal Society gets a 'Come-up-ins'... by Archtech · · Score: 2

    Given that 50 percent of the population is female, yet most jobs and management positions are held by males - a correction is in order.

    Given that many females still become mothers, a position that entails a huge amount of work no matter how much paid or unpaid help is available... and given that many females still like to run their own households with all the work that entails... and given how many women are emotionally disinclined to give orders and boss other people around... good luck with that.

    I am all for female managers, and have seen some very good ones. I have also seen some real Medusas, but nothing worse than many male managers. It's just a question of practicality and feasibility.

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  37. Re:Indeed by ScentCone · · Score: 1

    "Won't someone think of the Rich White Men!!"

    Yes, every middle-aged guy sitting in a cubicle at Yahoo making just enough to pay for a house in SV is "rich."

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  38. I for one by The-Ixian · · Score: 2

    I for one welcome our new female overlords.

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    1. Re:I for one by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      Especially the ones with whips, corsets and handcuffs

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  39. Re:Do you really want to work there? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

    This is what I came here to say too. These male employees should be thankful they were forced out early! That company is a resume stain these days. All the women who stuck with it to the end are going to have a harder time getting a job with that black mark on their resumes.

  40. Re:Only one explanation by vel-ex-tech · · Score: 1

    I urge them to carefully consider the Republican platform and to reflect on what it just might mean for their ability to be openly gay if the alt-right were to become a legitimate political movement.

    Trump made a believer out of me for about a week a while back after he declared that in Trump Tower, people can use the restroom without presenting a birth certificate. If the Republican party looked more like Trump and Thiel and whoever else you wanted to name, I would not have needed to resign myself to voting for a lizard person this year. In that strange political fantasy of a Republican party that isn't a party of bigots frothing at the mouth against them, homosexual men may be forgetting that the reality is that the Log Cabin Republicans nearly got thrown the fuck out of the Republican convention as I understand it.

    The alt-right believes that homosexuality is a disease or worse a political movement closely tied to Marxism. The alt-right believes that homosexual men have sex with children and attempt to "recruit" children into their "ranks." The alt-right believes that homosexual men destroy families. The alt-right worship a god who has commanded them to murder homosexual men by stoning.

    This is the true face of the Republican Party. Homosexual men should not be fooled by Trump's easy-going nature when it comes to sexual orientation and gender identity.

    Disclaimer: I am not in a position to evaluate the taco bowls in Trump Tower. However, I was sold on voting lizard person when I learned that there would be taco trucks on every corner if Trump lost!

  41. Re:Only one explanation by Rockoon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Its because a muslim walked into a gay night club and killed lots of homosexuals, and the response from the left was to push their gun control agenda while saying "dont call them radical extremists."

    Gay people have realized that within the SJW pyramid, they are at the bottom getting crushed.

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    "His name was James Damore."
  42. Re:Patriarchal Society gets a 'Come-up-ins'... by alvinrod · · Score: 1

    I wouldn't blame Yahoo failing on this alone as it was already doing that before Marissa Mayer took over as CEO. Outside of some extreme brilliance, the best I expect out of anyone would be to drag out the death spiral for a few more years. Anyone with the kind of vision or capability to save Yahoo is probably far better off starting their own company and building it into something great rather than trying to salvage an industry behemoth that's circling the drain.

    Mayer did nothing to help the company, but it's hard to say that she's blundered more than anyone else who might be doing the job instead of her.

  43. Re:Only one explanation by jbengt · · Score: 1

    The two gay guys I know best (my brother and his long time partner) are on completely different sides this election. One can't stand Trump and thinks Hillary would be OK. The other can't stand Clinton, and thinks Trump would be better than her, at least.

  44. Re:Only one explanation by ScentCone · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So you're saying that the "alt-right" you find so disturbing IS the Republican party, but the hardcore lefties who literally attack Trump supporters in the street, say they hate him as they burn down parts of their own cities, screech that the First Amendment's protections shouldn't apply to non-liberals, and who think that (for example) Julian Assange should be shot for endangering Hillary Clinton's campaign ... those are all people who ARE the Democrat party, right? People who align with Hillary Clinton but who actually call for police to be killed and for the tearing down of any privately owned businesses ... that's what Democrats stand for, and thus why you should vote for Clinton, right? Because you like those ideas?

    Or is there a chance that you're being a totally disingenuous hypocrite in using one fraction of one group to define the whole, but carefully avoiding that exact same standard when it comes to the person you like?

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  45. LOL by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Our performance-review process was developed to allow employees at all levels of the company to receive meaningful, regular and actionable feedback from others," Clark said. "We believe this process allows our team to develop and do their best work. Our performance-review process also allows for high performers to engage in increasingly larger opportunities at our company, as well as for low performers to be transitioned out."

    Mayer still has a job, therefore something here isn't true.

  46. Re:Patriarchal Society gets a 'Come-up-ins'... by Kartu · · Score: 1

    Do we know for a fact that it's because of discrimination and not, say, because men are so much more likely to choose risky ways or something else?
    Did you know that married men earn much more than bachelors?

  47. Re:Patriarchal Society gets a 'Come-up-ins'... by Baleet · · Score: 1

    No. GP missed a session of English class.

  48. She just sucked overall by phorm · · Score: 1

    Well to be fair, she pretty much screwed over employees of both genders

    (and yes, I realise that either gender can take care of kids - my wife and I split our shifts to do so - but the negative effects of the work-from-home seemed to affect female employees more than male)

  49. Re:Only one explanation by HBI · · Score: 1

    I'm sure Milo is campaigning for his own annihilation, because he doesn't want a long life of screwing black guys. Right.

    You have no idea what you are talking about. Busy finding demons where there are none, which implies you're an idiot. Or it could be worse, you actually think that creating a false narrative is the only way to preserve political power for the failed leftists in charge now. In which case you're a scumbag. Either way...not good.

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  50. Re:Patriarchal Society gets a 'Come-up-ins'... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    I'm going to argue with "Men are more natural leaders than women" on the grounds of how you're sure of that. We don't know what's natural and what's nurture. Things that look entirely natural can wind up varying from culture to culture.

    We've got a lot of history of men running things, and very little of women running things. We've got cultural expectations that men will lead.

    So, I don't know. There's likely a difference in leadership between men and women, but I don't know what it is.

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    "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  51. Re:Patriarchal Society gets a 'Come-up-ins'... by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

    I wonder how much of that is correlation rather than causation.

    The types of men that are likely to get married are probably more reliable and trustworthy than men who don't get married.

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    "That's the way to do it" - Punch
  52. The primaries by unixisc · · Score: 1

    Hillary didn't need the superdelegates to win; she had enough votes and delegates to win without them. It's true that the DNC rigged things, along with the mainstream media (esp. WaPo) spinning things in her favor as much as possible, but in the end, it was the Democratic voters who picked her. And unlike the GOP side where the vote was badly split among SO many candidates, allowing Trump to win with a minority of votes, the Dem side didn't have this: O'Malley, Chafffee and Webb barely got any votes at all and two of those dropped out very early on.

    Basically, in this election the GOP proved that it's incompetent at getting their establishment pick selected, and the DNC proved that they're masters of it. But still, the ultimate responsibility on the Democrat side (NOT the Republican side) is with the voters themselves. *They* made the choice for Hillary.

    (The same is not true on the Republican side; the voters there are not responsible, because of the first-past-the-post voting system, and the fact that Trump only got a minority of votes. The nomination of Trump really shows that FPTP voting systems should be banned everywhere, and anyone who thinks they're a good system should be summarily executed so that their stupidity does not spread.)

    Your FPTP theory only applies to the initial states of IA and NH - the field winnowed pretty rapidly from that point onwards. First of all, even before IA, some of the candidates, like Perry, Walker, Jindal, Patakis and IIRC Graham dropped out. After IA, Rand Paul, Huckabee and Santorum were gone. After NH, Christie, Gilmore and Carly disappeared, and following SC, Bush was gone. So for Super Tuesday, you already had against Trump a short list of Cruz, Carson, Rubio and Kasich. Of these guys, Carson was already in free fall, something that had started since the San Bernardino killings, and wasn't taking votes from anybody. Cruz was in some quarters of the party hated even more than Trump. So that left just Rubio and Kasich, and the establishment was split b/w them. While the Conservative establishment was happy to back Rubio, the Liberal part of the establishment - Schwarzenegger, Christie Todd Whitman, et al, backed Kasich.

    Point is - the only state where Trump had a 'mere' plurality was in NH. Otherwise, he won big in SC, and following that, even more so on Super-Tuesday. By the time FL was over and Rubio had dropped out, it was a 2 man race (aside from OH, and aside from Kasich's delusional belief that there was a third track in the race that was just him). And Cruz did put up a good fight, and was the only one who looked like one who could snatch it from Trump. Some, like Graham and Bush, rallied behind him, but it was farcical: Trump just had to run ads showing their past statements about him. There was no way Cruz had the establishment support, and the much anticipated evangelical support that Cruz expected just walked away to Trump, w/ endorsements by Falwell Jr and Robert Jeffreys.

    Bottom line - Trump had as tough a ride as Bernie, but he did not have a fractured opposition. In fact, by the time IA came around, his opposition was already down to 12, and once Bush was gone, his real opposition was 2 - Cruz & Rubio: Carson and Kasich were really also-rans.

    1. Re:The primaries by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      Yes, but what were the final vote totals?

      I get it that Trump didn't have 16 other candidates all the way through the race, but he did have more than 1 almost all the way, and just 3 roughly-equal candidates in a FPTP election will necessarily result in a "split vote".

      In this case, near the end it was split between Trump, Rubio, Cruz, and Kasich.

      Not only that, but all the early elections count too; it's not like they go back to IA and NH and let people re-vote instead of wasting their vote on someone like Paul or Huckabee who dropped out so early. In a truly democratic contest, the only thing that would really matter is how many *total* votes did Trump (the winner) get, compared to the other candidates, regardless of state? On the Democratic side, unfortunately, Hillary was the clear winner here with millions more votes than Bernie, so even if you just took all the votes for each and threw them in two piles and tossed out the superdelegates (and delegates too), Hillary would still win. I'm pretty sure that's not the case with Trump, as he didn't win a majority of votes (just a plurality).

      Personally, I don't think anyone should ever be able to win an election with a plurality. If you can't get a majority of the voters to give you a vote, you don't deserve the office, and it's not democratic. If the election system prevents this, then the election system needs to be changed. FPTP is a horrible and antiquated and downright stupid voting system that should have been banned in the days of Ancient Greece. With modern mathematics, we can do much better.

    2. Re:The primaries by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Actually no. Some of the biggest vote heavy states were there at the end - NY, CA and so on. And voters didn't keep voting for candidates who had dropped out, and also, the early elections were numerically pretty insignificant both in terms of electoral and popular votes. If all the elections were held simultaneously nationwide, then nobody would even look at these states: they'd just run campaigns geared to the major markets in NY, CA, TX, FL and so on.

      On the plurality issue, I completely disagree w/ you. If one can't get 50% of the vote, the guy who gets 45% or even 35% is good enough. Also, it's highly presumptuous to assume that if there was just one opponent for Trump, that all the votes would have gone to him. For instance, if it was Cruz, then a lot of moderate Republicans, who otherwise voted for Kasich, would have voted for Trump, if that was their only choice. Not all, but definitely not none either. Similarly, if it was Trump vs Kasich, a lot of Conservatives who were disgusted by Kasich going along w/ Obamacare would have preferred Trump. Which is why the analysis of some Conservative talking heads about trying to force candidates to drop out to coalesce all the anti-Trump votes was laughable. Trump would still get some of the votes of whoever was 'sacrificed' in this exercise.

      And the person who gets 35% of the vote still has more legitimacy than the 16 other guys he beat, who got anywhere b/w 0 and 20%.

    3. Re:The primaries by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      I completely disagree about plurality. No, 45% or 35% is not enough. Only with a majority does a leader have a legitimate claim to a seat. A voting system other than FPTP can do this with multiple candidates, which is why FPTP needs to be banned.

      If the election were held again with Cruz, Trump, and Kasich, and an approval or ranked voting system used, I think Kasich would probably be the winner. Trump and Cruz are too polarizing. In a democratic system, the leaders should reflect the overall will of the people, and you don't get that with polarizing candidates who only a minority vote for. Someone more moderate like Kasich might not be anyone's first choice, but if he's the most agreeable to a majority, then he's the one who should win.

      Your comments seem to indicate that you're someone who simply cannot conceive of a voting system other than FPTP.

  53. So Marissa did males a big favor...? by ffkom · · Score: 1

    By removing them from her doomed company, hinting them to pursue a career where there's still hope and opportunity?

  54. Re:Only one explanation by vel-ex-tech · · Score: 1

    the hardcore lefties who literally attack Trump supporters in the street, say they hate him as they burn down parts of their own cities, screech that the First Amendment's protections shouldn't apply to non-liberals, and who think that (for example) Julian Assange should be shot for endangering Hillary Clinton's campaign ... those are all people who ARE the Democrat party, right?

    Right. Not much of an argument here for/against that point.

    However, I look at the Democrat platform, and I see quite a world of difference from the Republican platform. It's startling to see such a contrast when usually nothing tangible is different. Let's face it. I voted for Johnson in 2012. I urged my liberal friends to vote for Stein in 2012. Stein and Johnson are not going to be elected any more this year than they were in 2012.

    And frankly, if it's going to come down to you vs. me... Have you already placed me on the same team with the screeching assholes burning down their own cities and assaulting people at Trump rallies just because I'm t3h g4y or because I look like a woman? Have you identified me already as a communist sympathizer who's trying to burn our country down? Are you scared shitless of me using my advanced infiltrator-class woman suit to rape little girls in bathrooms?

    In that case, why the fuck shouldn't I vote for the lizard person? At least in some theoretical way the lizard people seem the better option for my own self-preservation. Thanks to local feminists, I now need to drive over 150 miles to see a doctor. Is that clinic going to get shut down with Republicans in power? Straight from being fucked by the feminists to being fucked by the alt-right, eh? But here comes the lizard people! All of a sudden, feminism seems to be changing and the alt-right is taking over the mantle of pants-on-head stupid legislation, propaganda, and hysteria getting between my doctor and me.

    I'd rather get herded into the FEMA concentration camps because I hold a political opinion rather than because I wasn't born in a way that meets your standards.

  55. Re:Only one explanation by vel-ex-tech · · Score: 1

    Well, time's running out if you want to convince me! We're down to a calendar month tomorrow! Care to help me out?

    Why should I believe that the alt-right doesn't want to stone gays to death in the street? Are there any philosophical essays I should be aware of? I tried Moldbug, but he couldn't seem to articulate just why exactly 18th century values (along with rampant sodomy laws, but he glossed over that in what I read) were great. Where else should I look?

    The only reason I'm voting lizard person is because I'm frankly scared to death of what I've seen from the alt-right.

  56. Re:Only one explanation by lgw · · Score: 1

    The alt-right believes that homosexuality is a disease or worse a political movement closely tied to Marxism

    You're confused. Who do you think the "alt-right" is the alternative to? It's the right that's not the religious right. Yeah, there are some nutters there as with any somewhat-fringe movement, but they're really quite distant from the religious right.

    This is the true face of the Republican Party

    Wait, I thought you were talking about the alt right? Now you're talking about the Republican Party? Well, those guys are completely useless.

    There may be a conservative US party again one day (in ways different from the Dems, that is), but whatever that new coalition will look like, it won't include the religious right. Give him this: Trump proved you don't need the religious right to win the primary.

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  57. Re:Patriarchal Society gets a 'Come-up-ins'... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    Why do you think hey incompetence is linked to her gender?

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  58. Re:Patriarchal Society gets a 'Come-up-ins'... by jbssm · · Score: 2

    The question you should be putting is why does the OP think that greater competence is tied to the feminine gender.

  59. Re:Only one explanation by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    "You're a gay Trump supporter?"

    Movement conservatives dislike Trump for being gay-tolerant and not being obsessed with single-cellar fetuses.

  60. Re:Patriarchal Society gets a 'Come-up-ins'... by gweihir · · Score: 1

    Hehehe, funny. So far the few poster-girl CEOs are demonstrating they can fuck up and line their own pockets with the best of them. No idea whether women are doing better out of the spot-light, but I somehow doubt it.

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  61. Someone filed a lawsuit by andy1307 · · Score: 1

    It must be true..all of it...

  62. OT: Sanders is a Communist by mi · · Score: 1

    Bernie Sanders is a bona-fide Communist, actually — a prominent member of the Democratic Socialists of America. Complete with nationalizing means of production.

    He may be talking about making America more like Scandinavia, but the end result would've been more like Venezuela.

    Meanwhile, I'm still waiting for Hillary to "disown" and reject the Communist endorsement.

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  63. Re:Suck it up. Be a man. by ooloorie · · Score: 1

    You've had it your way since the garden of Eden.

    Bullshit. Most men throughout history were horribly oppressed, usually by other men and the women at the oppressors' sides.

    Note that Hillary is pretty much repeating that pattern.

  64. Re:Suck it up. Be a man. by JustNiz · · Score: 1

    Yeah? tell me that when scoiety doesn't trat women better than men., such as "women and children first", or when prostate cancer (that kills more men than breast cancer does women) gets equal funding /awreness to breast cancer, or when equal numbers of women are doing the shittier jobs and society doesn't see a problem with it, like fighting on front lines or even just taking the trash out.

  65. Re:Patriarchal Society gets a 'Come-up-ins'... by Kartu · · Score: 1

    This is, indeed, one possible explanation.

    A couple of my former-then-returned-back-to-company colleagues explained it as "didn't like it there" and "much stress", yes, you could guess their gender.
    I could never imagine that kind of justifications working for me, job is a place where I go to earn money.

  66. Re: Trump really is not so bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Truthful reporting about Trump is going to end up negative, if anything, they're too reticent to call him out.

    You may to claim to think he's great, but be honest, you know you have no esteem for him and you know he's as authentic as dime store jewelry.

  67. 1 in 4 or 25% by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    Which is it? Also, nice misdirection to emphasize your point. You do this a lot? A less cynical bastard than myself would have missed it.

    The Great Society programs didn't create single parent families. Men didn't leave because they were chased away by the welfare cops. What actually happened was we started to fund a bunch of programs to put the breaks on bad trends and then political winds changed (the phrase "Welfare Queen" was coined and dog whistling became a thing) and those programs got yanked.

    First, make no mistake that things weren't puppy dogs and kittens for blacks before the G.S.. Life was nasty/brutish/short for everyone, but _especially_ blacks. They were the underclass used as a social cushion to keep the white working class from getting uppity (similar to what India does with the Untouchables and their whole caste system).

    Wanna solve those problems? More socialism. Given the lack of factory jobs and the fact that robots are cheaper than humans unless you treat 'em worse than pack mules that's your only option. But you don't really want to solve anything, do you? You want to sound like you do so you have plausible deniability and don't feel too bad about yourself.

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  68. You're smoking crack by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    the left has been working hard to protect _everybody's_ rights. And I wouldn't call that guy a radical extremist. I'd call him mentally ill and very likely a closet homosexual (he'd been hanging around the bar a bit too much to just be 'casing' the joint, they recognized him).

    There is no pyramid. Everybody gets protected. Nobody gets left behind. Nobody thrown under the bus. And that includes Muslims.

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    1. Re:You're smoking crack by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      the left has been working hard to protect _everybody's_ rights

      Everyone except the people with whom they disagree. For them, they work hard to shout down and force college campuses to preemptively pull the plug on speeches deemed insufficiently lefty. They work hard to support groups that chant in the street about their desire to see police officers killed. The left works hard to promote the idea that the government should ban or otherwise shut up web sites that they consider "unfair" because ... they're very popular with millions of people who don't tow the lefty line.

      And I wouldn't call that guy a radical extremist

      Right. His repeated pronouncements about his embrace of a mass-murdering, medieval-minded theocratic terror organization that likes to burn people alive and slaughter people because of their heritage - no, nothing radical there.

      I'd call him mentally ill and very likely a closet homosexual (he'd been hanging around the bar a bit too much to just be 'casing' the joint, they recognized him).

      All of the early ruminating about his frequenting gay chat/dating sites have been proven to be nothing but rumor. Never happened. He cased the bar more than once, as many terrorists do before killing large numbers of people in soft target locations. Fits the usual pattern perfectly.

      Everybody gets protected.

      As long as they swear fealty to lefty ideology, you mean. Otherwise, they are to be silenced, targeted by the IRS, banned from campus, attacked on the street outside their political events, that sort of thing. Because nobody gets left behind when it comes to vitriol from the left.

      Nobody thrown under the bus.

      Unless they've been doing work for the Clintons, in which case they DO get thrown under the bus, and the bus also backs over them a couple of times to be sure.

      And that includes Muslims.

      Unless they are Muslims who are being attacked with chemical weapons, bombed by Russia, and the like. They get left behind. Because even though red lines are crossed, what's a few hundred thousand dead Muslims and a few million of them running for their lives into Europe, right? That's just another way of showing support for them. Tough love and whatnot.

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    2. Re: You're smoking crack by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      How about having done the easy work we could have done in the first place? Long before Russia realized the coast was clear for them to expand militarily into the area, and long before Iran established ever more robust supply lines for the people they back in the slaughter there, the circumstances were cast in stone by Assad using things like barrel bombs and chemical seapons dropped from helicopters onto protesters and into city areas where support for his removal was strong. Half a day's air strikes would have completely removed Assad's air power from the equation. Which you know. But you're trying to give cover to the military commander who went on about red lines not being crossed, but then allowed Assad to maintain complete air control of the area in order to kill untold thousands and flush millions into neighboring countries. Yes, now it's too late for that - Obama guaranteed that, and Clinton helped.

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  69. Westerner here by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    Feminism is really, really easy to understand when your a woman. Here's how it works:

    If your a woman you're physically weaker than just about any man alive. A woman at peak fitness can barely match the strength of an average male (/. crowd not withstanding).

    Now, if you've been paying attention you've seen 5000+ years of history where women were treated like absolute garbage with maybe a dozen exceptions. Then you've got about 100 years of history where a _very_small_ subset of women get treated as equals. You can spend 5 minutes on google and find horror stories in 80% of the world with pictures of women with acid burns and missing their hands because they went out dancing.

    So you'll have to forgive the ditzy little things if they're just a tad fucking nervous. They've got damn good reason to be.

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  70. Re:Only one explanation by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    Edir: Single-cell fetuses

  71. Re:Only one explanation by ScentCone · · Score: 1

    Why should I believe that the alt-right doesn't want to stone gays to death in the street?

    What if they do? They aren't in charge. Should we be concerned that "the Democrats" want to kill all the police officers, just because a fringe group of movements associated with lefty politics shouts about wanting that?

    How about Hillary? She's best buds and on the take (in the millions of dollars) from people who like to see gays thrown from rooftops to their deaths, burned alive, and other hideous fates. Clearly, the Democrats support killing gays, because their leader and the person they think best embodies their values happily associates with and is handsomely paid by people who openly call for and follow through with the routine killing of LBGTQEVERYTHINGELSE. Why aren't you scared of what's happening in Europe? Waves of immigrants from that part of the world are bringing with them an embrace of the very medieval world view that brings about the actual thing you say you fear - and it's the Democrats who are insisting that we aren't doing nearly enough to bring in enough of that culture to the US.

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  72. Re:Suck it up. Be a man. by Mashiki · · Score: 1

    And there it is: that simple little word "merit". It can mean almost anything that anyone wants it to, and thus legitimates almost any act.

    You mean besides the ability to get to the top based on skills? Why do I have a feeling you're one of those people that believes meritocracy is a MRA construct.

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  73. Re:Only one explanation by Cederic · · Score: 1

    The alt-right

    Oh. The mythical bogeyman that do everything you hate?

    Enough of the fucking identity politics. Enough labelling. Stop with utter bullshit like

    The alt-right believes

    The alt-right doesn't exist. There isn't a political party, a group of people, anything that declared "We're the alt-right, here's our manifesto". It's a fucking marketing term made up by idiots pushing their own agenda.

    Used by them too.

  74. Re:Only one explanation by Cederic · · Score: 1

    Interestingly diverse view there of anal sex.
    How would you describe oral sex?

  75. Re:Trump really is not so bad by pnutjam · · Score: 1

    Wait..
    Your really saying that 18 months of bad coverage has usurped the 25 years of shit Hillary has dealt with?
    You should consider what meds you missed.

  76. Re:Only one explanation by vel-ex-tech · · Score: 2

    Yup. Just another angry lib. Just yesterday I was another angry feminist-hating conservative, too!

    You people are fucking idiots.

  77. Re:Trump really is not so bad by mi · · Score: 1

    Your really saying that 18 months of bad coverage has usurped the 25 years of shit Hillary has dealt with?

    Most of it well-deserved and, unlike some decades-old name calling, substantive and pertinent to her becoming a President (or not). She's been both personally nasty and at odds with the voters on a host of major issues for a very long time. So at odds, she even admits to having "a private and a public position on some issues" — that is, to lying to the public about her convictions.

    You should consider what meds you missed.

    You should consider refreshing your cliché-collection, cupcake.

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  78. Re: Only one explanation by ScentCone · · Score: 1

    I know, you're trying SO hard to miss the point. Which was a rebuttal of the earlier poster's assertion that the party he opposes is all about the worst things he doesn't like about a sub-set of one faction of that party. So the question is, why is it unreasonable to say that the party he supports is all about the worst things we see in sub-sets of factions that support his party? We DO have video of activist marchers carrying signs and chanting about the need to kill police. And we have people who praise those groups actually doing things like shooting down half a dozen cops in the street specifically to support that agenda. But wait, you say, that's not representative of the Democrat party. Right. But it's OK to disingenuously use a different standard when talking about Republicans, right? Sure, of course.

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  79. Re:Trump really is not so bad by pnutjam · · Score: 1

    I have private opinions that don't match my professional acts as well. That's life, not hypocrisy. See Tim Kaine's excellent explanation of his view on abortion for an example.

  80. Re:Trump really is not so bad by mi · · Score: 1

    I have private opinions that don't match my professional acts as well.

    Not acts — Hillary admitted to have privately held opinions that contradict her publicly-stated opinions. Which means, she lies to the public, whenever she states them:

    "If everybody's watching, you know, all of the back room discussions and the deals, you know, then people get a little nervous, to say the least," she said. "So, you need both a public and a private position."

    She is as crooked as it gets — so much so, her camp's only hope is to keep talking about Trump's rudeness and imaginary racism.

    See Tim Kaine's excellent explanation of his view on abortion for an example.

    Yeah, ask him about his sympathies for Communism/Socialism next time you meet him — and what would he do differently from Hugo Chavez, should he ever find himself President.

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  81. There is an upside.... by overlook77 · · Score: 1

    At least he doesn't have to work at Yahoo! anymore.

  82. Re:Patriarchal Society gets a 'Come-up-ins'... by Lodragandraoidh · · Score: 1

    The OP - which is me - didn't say that competence was tied to gender, only that gender is not fairly represented.

    Given how screwed up the system is today under the last 800,000 years of male rule, my implication is having women in charge could certainly not be any worse.

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