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Right-Wing and Fake News Writers Are Now Going After Elon Musk (qz.com)
Fake news galvanized US president-elect Donald Trump's supporters, and sullied his enemies. Now it may be Elon Musk's turn. Quartz adds: The CEO of Tesla and SpaceX has his fair share of detractors, but a new era in a public relations battle to discredit him appears to be taking shape. Bloomberg reports that hard-right groups are lining up to back misleading websites and fake journalists who attack Musk's business empire. Many of the attacks on Musk begin with something factual: His businesses were built, legally, with the help of billions in government contracts and incentives for renewable energy and space transport. But they go on to accuse Musk of fraud and wasting taxpayer dollars; some compare him to a convicted felon. At least three conservative sites have run negative pieces about Musk -- by a nonexistent writer named "Shepard Stewart" -- that include "Elon Musk Continues to Blow Up Taxpayer Money With Falcon 9" and "Elon Musk: Faux Free Marketeer and National Disgrace." Two later retracted the stories. "There's a very obvious precedent" for this, says Sam Jaffe, managing director of Cairn Energy Research Advisors. "That's Hillary Clinton." Musk tweeted this week, "Can anyone uncover who is really writing these fake pieces?"
Folks that can't stand reality conflicting with their hate-based fantasies.
Dont worry Spez has their backs. He can just change what they post on the internet and make it sound however he likes.
I'm a far right guy but I seriously don't understand why they'd go after Musk instead of Bezos or something, idiotic neocons.
The same argument applies far more to Lockheed with their joint smoking fighter. Instead of going after real waste these cowards are attacking the little kid in aerospace.
Wait - not everything on the Internet is true?
It's so sad that the right-wing big corporate screw the poor guy republicans are taking issue with Elon Musk, master of corporate subsidy and now proud owner of an empire built on taking money from the poor and giving to the rich.
Let's be honest. Net metering is stealing from the renters to subsidize homeowners. ZEV lanes and rebates are ways to take from the poor and give to the rich. Congress just rolled over and told the Air Force to pencil whip SpaceX's space rating, as they didn't have nearly as rigorous a design process as their competition did, and then when that didn't work, bribed congress to prohibit ULA from buying more engines.
Yeah, great democrat, defender of the poor.
to collect all of the bullshit into one post so the grownups don't have to waste time wondering what the hate groups are spewing.
I'd love to know how "qz.com" knows that "Shepard Stewart" is "nonexistent". A cursory Google turns up this and this.
Partisan hack, sure. But "nonexistent" is a strong claim.
I'm not sure what the motivation is for these attacks. Musk hasn't been particularly political and mainly stayed out of this election. As far as I can tell, the primary motivations are one of two things. Either one, the people behind this are simply hateful and without a major target like Hillary must choose another, or two, they hate Musk because much of his work (electric cars, solar cells, even wanting to use methane for rockets because methane is a potentially renewable resource) has been to deal with issues related to global warming. If the second is the motivator, then it says something really fascinating: that there are elements of the right which not only are convinced that global warming is some sort of evil hoax, but that they actively hate people who disagree with them and are trying to take steps to destroy someone who is trying to help. If that's the case, it is truly a frightening example of the depth that people can sink to, and the levels they'll go to not just ignore facts they don't like but to actively try to harm people who try to deal with those factual issues.
WTF? Didn't you guys get the memo? Fake news was last week. This week it's hacked voting booths. Next week will be hacked fake news sites. Week after we will be voting for fake new hackers (they're actually middle aged).
We're entering the "Nothing is true, everything is permitted" stage of history. It's gonna be a fuckin' riot.
Personally, I can't wait for CG to hit that sweet spot where one can make an absolutely convincing replica of anyone and make it do or say anything. Because who needs an objective reality anyway?
Then again, AI replacing the human thought process is going to be pretty sweet too. IT'S NOT MY FAULT, THE COMPUTER TOLD ME TO DO IT!!!
Oh boy, oh boy, we're living in the future folks. Hurrah!
Defamation, slander and libel laws are already on the books. I'm sure Mr. Musk can and will take care of himself.
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This con man needs to taken down. His companies take a cavalier attitude toward safety and cut corners in the name of profit.
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I doubt this is about pushing any agenda, Fake news drives large amounts of hits/click bait, which in return drives advertising revenue. Their are people all over the world who have realised this and their entire job is to generate fake news, not for any agenda, simply profit. The more controversial and topical the more likely to earn money. Up until a few weeks ago it was all about Hillary and Trump, now they need to move on.
I am a right winger. We like Elon Musk. He produces a quality product at a decent price. He is against over regulation in his industry. This fucking epidemic of stories about fake news this week is ridiculous. The Liberal media lost big, predicting a Hillary landslide, and they NEED a scapegoat to blame for their own idiocy. Trust in the media is at an all time low, and people aren't fooled by the MSM putting on a different hat and calling themselves "impartial fact-checkers" anymore. So the new plan is to declare any website we don't like as "fake news" and tie them into the other demonized group we made up, the "alt right". They are the enemy and they must be stopped.
There's a lot of left wing fake news, including:
* Michael Brown shot in cold blood by a cop (Michael Brown attempted to steal the cop's gun and charged at him)
* Trump campaign might not accept the election outcome (Trump's campaign considered legal challenges just like Gore did in 2000)
* Hackers caused Trump to win Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania (No evidence of hacking, but demographics can easily explain the outcome)
* 2016 is the hottest year on record (The warming can actually be explained by adjustments to the data, thanks to some scientists having transparency)
* Trump's economic plans to protect American workers were racist (Trump's economic plans were virtually identical to those of Bernie Sanders, who wasn't accused of racism in nearly the same way)
When will we call out the left for their fake news? Why do we always blame the right? The left is far, far worse than the right.
There seems to be two principal motivations for fake news, and they are the usual ones: Money and Power. If people click on it and they get ad revenue, well that's enough motivation. Obviously if they help take over a country that is another motivation.
The only path forward I can see are our international agreements. Just as we cut off those who fund terrorism, we must also cut of those who fund fake news, as best as we are able. By fake I mean those are provably false, either because they impersonate or because they push provably false information.
The threshold is high. You would have to prove in a court of law that the information is false and not just misleading, and the other side should have the opportunity to state their case as well as appeal, but being convicted of a concerted effort to publish fake news that pretends to be real news should result in said person being forced to stop for at least a time. You could also instead force inclusion of a banner such as this person has been convicted of the publishing of fake news stories.
I don't entirely like that such things seem necessary, but there must be some legal path available to protect objective truth. If your convicted of publishing fake news and can no longer make money on ad revenue, well that seems reasonable to me. Note that sites such as the Onion would be except, though might have to add a disclaimer somewhere obvious about it being satire.
Musk has flaws and his businesses have flaws, but they should be faced and corrected. There is no use for a smear campaign, or for ass-kissing on the other end.
Makes you wonder who is funding all this. (yeah, not too hard to guess)
The mainstream media like CNN, NBC and The New York Times are the fake news. Seriously, their coverage of Donald Trump's campaign was so disgustingly biased, dishonest and untrustworthy. And the fake polls showing Hillary with a huge lead when they polled more democrats than republicans?! This election was the final nail in the coffin of the mainstream media for me. Sites HATED by the mainstream media, like Breitbart, are real truth based media to me. I'm very glad that Trump won the election even though I'm not an American and don't live in the USA. The true intolerant, hateful, race bating, and violent people are the left wing democrats. You wouldn't know by following the main stream media, but when you go to real news sites like Breitbart you find out about violent liberals beating the shit out of Republicans for voting for Trump, or trying to making things up pretending to be a victim of Trump supporters only to be exposed as a liar. They're mad that the woman funded by Saudia Arabia, the most misogynistic and homophobic country in the world, didn't win the election after she STOLE the nomination from Bernie. Bernie wins a state, Hillary gets the delegates.
So the simple way to discredit the alternative media is to false-flag it.
Plant bogus stories around, watch the wackos bite and republish. Promote the wackos. Pretend they are mainstream. Refute the stories, claim the high ground, and poof, we need the reputable media to protect us from the nefarious forces of evil seeking to delude us into wrong thinking.
It should be apparent by now that the Leftist media is not merely untrustworthy, it's actively deceiving us whenever the ends justify the means.
So why is Elon on their radar? Did he fail to say something despicable about Trump?
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
What's next? The Russians again? The KKK-Russians? Everyone hide under your desk! Fake NEWS IS COMING!!!
https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2016...
As a liberal, do you have any regrets?
I don't. Again, this is something that I've been crying about for a while. But outside of that, there are many factors as to why Trump won that don't involve fake news, right? As much as I like Hillary, she was a poor candidate. She brought in a lot of baggage.
You don't feel responsible.
I do not.
In GOD we trust, all others we monitor.
You have to realize just how much the recent election shocked the shit out of the media. Wow, there is a whole world out there and they have NO IDEA what is going on. They have been living in a bubble and that bubble was burst, badly, on election night. They are deep hurting and this isn't any kind of fake crocodile tears hurt. It's for real and they are going to engage in the kind of defense mechanisms that humans engage in when they are hurt this badly.
So, what should their reaction be to the fact that the world doesn't conform to how they think? Take a long, hard look at themselves and change? Or double down, adopt a fortress mentality, and deny that there's anything wrong? Label these dissenting voices "fake news" and strive mightily the MSM's chief weapon, credibility, to discredit them.
If you just laughed at the idea that the mainstream media is credible after the shit they pulled in the election, then you know what I'm talking about. They were 100% backing Hillary and the whole world saw it. They had themselves convinced that she had a 93% chance of winning and they believed it. After a shock like that, who can blame them for reacting this way? They have a lot to lose. Not just their million dollar salaries, but their entire way of life and worldview is being threatened. Why not attack the truth-tellers? It has a chance of working, and anything's better than actually facing the cold hard truth. Facing the truth is last resort after everything else has failed and the MSM is a long way from that. They have powerful resources and are not about to give up.
Better to get your news on controversial topics from news sources like Infowars or Breitbart. These sites have a huuuuuge audience, larger than the mainstream media, and they report stories that the MSM refuses to cover. Think about it: when powerful people tell you to ignore news sources, what should you do? (A) Obey and be a good little drone. Or (B) take it as proof positive that these news sources are broadcasting very inconvenient narratives that they really don't want you to know. Hell, I used to think Alex Jones was a crazy man, but damn if they're trying to suppress him then he MUST be saying something important, otherwise he'd just be ignored! Read for yourself, evaluate for yourself, if you think they're full of shit that's your decision. But read them yourself, don't let the MSM tell you what's credible and what's not, because their credibility is bullshit! Make up your own mind!
One side says, "don't pay attention to those others, they're fake!" and the other side says, "consider us, we'll tell you things the other side is hiding, just make up your own mind." What do thinking people do in this situation?
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
The fake news shit is just that, shit. If you want no one to ever believe media again, keep it up with the fake news crap.
Ethics are required. If you can't get there, then no one is going to believe your shit again, ever.
HBI's Law: Frequency of calling others Nazis is directly correlated with the likelihood of the accuser being Communist.
Musk and his scientific/engineering teams landed a rocket vertically- more than once. Something that NASA engineers said could not be done and was impractical. They were wrong.
Show me something like that from the right wing guys. Anything? What have they accomplished? Anything? Bueller?
Might be Tucker all over again. But every single thing Tucker designed ended up in modern automobiles. Every single thing NASA has designed has resulted in a new products. And every single thing Musk develops will also end up part of a product.
So right wing guys? What do you have to show besides rhetoric? Have you designed anything? Built it? Passed a science class and applied the information?
If the alt-right wants to start a war against science- good luck. We make better weapons.
Another consultant who stuck it out.
"We are the Priests, of the Temples of Syrinx..."
Surely, it couldn't have been all of the FACTUAL information obtained from Hillary's email server, and the DNC's and Podesta's hacked accounts that "galvanized" the Trump supporters. And, of course, it couldn't have been Hillary's march toward globalization and the further degrading of US sovereignty. No, it was the FAKE NEWS boogeyman. OOoohhhh!
Here's a clue: Trump won the presidency because of the continued efforts of the leftist media to muddy the waters with lies, and play interference for Hillary. Welp, we don't like being lied to, and it was apparent where the lies were coming from and who they were meant to benefit. So, on election day, we said "FUCK YOU!" to the liars. We said "Fuck you" to the perpetually scandalous Hillary, and we said "FUCK OFF" to the infantile, shrill, triggered little assholes that continue to plague the streets in protest of the process they claim to support.
And now, as we repeatedly hear the drums of "fake news" and "hate speech" beat to the rhythm of the same lying lefty news orgs, we see it for what it is: an attempt to silence the voice of opposition. Racism, hate, white supremacy... it's so sad that these words have lost all meaning. These words call out ugly ideals and behavior, but the klaxon blowhards of the left have been crying wolf for too long. Now, it's time to eat crow, motherfuckers.
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SpaceX is in the cheap, unreliable, rocket business, which is quite small. I guess its competitors are Ukraine, India, and Iran/North Korea. The US military drives the govt space market, and the US military is a finicky, customer with very expensive payloads. It's a tough, but rich, customer.
Tesla's competitors are Toyota, Honda, GM, and Ford. All giant, ruthlessly efficient companies. For the luxury market, the instant, low speed torque of electric cars can't be beat by internal combustion. Also, bigger batteries provide both more power, and range. These advantages matter less to the consumer, mass market automobile. Frankly, I am doubtful of mass market electric cars. I think smaller hybrid cars, and rental of bigger vehicles, is the easier solution to high gas prices. I also think that GM and Nissan will be able to ramp up production. The GM Volt is effectively a public beta test. GM also played around with the EV-1 in the 90s. So, if the govt demanded GM get big into the low end BEV market, they could do a decent job.
Reportedly, Tesla would be losing money, if it were not for tax credits from the California government for electric cars. And manufacturing lithium battery packs at ~$150/kwh is something I don't exactly believe. And making money on the Model 3... Good luck Elon.
But, yeah. SpaceX has a big buyer in the US Govt. Tesla got subsidized loans from US govt. Tesla got tax credits from Cal. govt. And, solar panel purchases were, (are?) subsidized.
Time and time again they utilize the same tactics. They find the .001% who subscribe to or promote ridiculous beliefs, then relay the news as if 99% of the group were involved in it.
It's so funny that in the new Amerikkka the Conservatives/Republicans are pro-Kremlin (Senator McCarthy rolling, no, spinning in his grave) and the Democrats are anti-Kremlin/Russia. Bizarro world indeed.
I can name 3 large automotive manufacturers that would live to run Tesla out if business. And there are also a handful of aerospace companies that would like to do the same to SpaceX.
If it weren't for Elon Musk and Tesla, we would still be asking "Who killed the electric car?"
Guy that rich can afford *real* assassins.
Elon Musk has infact received / wasted millions from the US government. Solar city looses 6$ for every 1$ it makes. Telsa has never made a profit, yet Mr. Musk is worth 11.3 billion. What's the fake news? I think this broader fake news concern is nonsensical.
Hello,
News sites (fake or otherwise) should be extremely cautious of running salacious news stories about Elon Musk, given that fellow tech mogul Peter Thiel helped sue a media outlet into oblivion. Presumably, Elon Musk has the same capability.
Regards,
Aryeh Goretsky
Dexter is a good dog.
I frequent those forums and I've literally never heard anything about Elon on them.
...its probably a computer.
The truth is that the vast mass of the public is stupid and taken in by false narratives. The mainstream media has been benefiting from this for decades. The fact that someone else cracked the code and found an alternative delivery system is the "problem" here, not the existence of dishonest media.
Jayson Blair. Dan Rather's "fake but true" documents. Brian Williams in general...the list goes on and on and on. Hell, Walter Cronkite was often giving out palpable untruths in regards Vietnam on the evening news when I was a kid. The problem then was that we didn't find out the stuff was actually untrue until 25 years later with the research tools available via the Internet.
HBI's Law: Frequency of calling others Nazis is directly correlated with the likelihood of the accuser being Communist.
Who needs facts when you can just say "Fake News" and "alt-right"?
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
fake it till you make it. There was a time not too long ago that their hate-based fantasies were reality. Many of them look back to a time when they had higher social status and several economic advantages. When people talk about white privilege that is what they mean.
Trump proves the clock can be turned back. It doesn't even take that much. All it took to put Trump and a whole bunch of alt-right into power was apathy on the part of Blacks and Latinos who couldn't get excited over Clinton like they did for Obama...
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Dude, stop blaming the Russians - Hillary made her vile bed and now she's got to lie in it.
Hilary's bed was no where near as vile as the Russians have managed to persuade you it is (presuming you're a useful idiot rather than a Kremlin troll). Well done Mr Putin, USA neutralized.
and extract Tribute like we did from Iraq. The people that starve won't be the folks that put Trump in power...
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What about left wing fake news like CNN, NY Times, and *NBC?
I never cared much for mainstream news sources, but now I hate them.
I've noticed over the last 15 years that news reporting appears to deliberately incite rage in it's consumers. I conclude the reason is because happy news doesn't cause interaction that can be measured, while outrage causes people to post comments, link, and send to friends. These actions can be tracked, and if it can be tracked, it can be monetized. An example is Info Wars site. Most of their news is extremely slanted and almost seems to jerk the froth out of their average reader's mouth, while simultaneously reporting things dishonestly. When one bothers to fact check and independently confirm their stories, it is my opinion that they are almost without exception false to fact or put in the worst light possible. Nor is it confined to such fringe lunatic sites, this is found in Fox, Breitbart, Drudge, and to a lessor extent in CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, PBS, and NPR.
TL;DR: News is worthless. They all have an agenda and they all push it.
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.
Poor defenseless Elon. :(
He can't afford to buy *nearly* enough major media outlets to counteract this massive propaganda campaign of a few barely-noticed online blog posts.
When lying in order to win control of policy results in a majority being overruled by a minority, for the express purpose of removing the liberties of the more powerless of citizens, creating an alternative 'reality' of fake facts, nothing can be accomplished
Even the need for simple self-correction is gone thanks to people like Faux's Roger Ailes, creator of such lies as "Benghazi" and "WMD found in Syria but no one can locate it now"
"Fake news galvanized US president-elect Donald Trump's supporters, and sullied his enemies"
And the last pretense of objectivity flies right out the fucking window. It's "news for nerds" not "politically motivated lies."
This is what happens when you let Nazis on the Internet.
in threesome with space aliens form Mars and Venus.
What we have now is propaganda
With equal justification, you could write:
Right now, they are subjecting us to an endless stream of baseless accusations of "white nationalism" and "anti-Semitism" against their political enemies. I'm not even going to bother listing the never ending stream of fake stories coming out of left-leaning media, including Quartz, a publication pushing advertising at rich lefties (the target audience for Teslas, hence no surprise why they are defending him).
As for Musk, of course, he is a major crony capitalist; his business wouldn't exist without massive government support. If you think you are justified being pissed off at Wall Street or Exxon, you are just as justified being pissed off at Musk's businesses.
There are already liable and slander laws to deal with this sort of thing - I'm sure Tesla has some good lawyers under their wing so can't they just sue them into oblivion?
That money could help pay for legal costs and also fund a counter-PR campaign!
In case you missed it, NPR tracked down a major source of fake news
That is, a left-wing agitator produces large amounts of right wing bullshit online and then left-wing media use that to support their view that there is a massive problem with fake news and "alt-right" views.
This is similar to to the fake post-election hate-crime-wave that we are supposedly experiencing, and to the death threats people fake on Twitter. The left wing outrage machinery is largely fed by self-created fake stories.
NPR tracked down one of the fake news sources. It was basically some guy who figured out how to use the traffic to make $10,000 to $30,000 a month.
That's our life, the big wheel of shit. - The Fat Man, Blue Tango Salvage
1% semi-scam artist ("AI will take over") has shit flying into his face. A nuisance.
All the MSM threw loads of shit so that Iraq and Syria could be raped, pillaged and destroyed. Millions killed.
Now my dear readers, who are the "victims of hate" ? And who are the perps ?
Clinton, Bush, Battenbergs, Blair - THEY are the big time purveyors of HATE.
I estimate that 70% of allegedly "right wing, alien, nutcase, conspiracy theory, chemtrail" memes have been created by Agents Provocateurs. The objective is to discredit all non-Marxists.
Let's call it OPERATION BRAINFUCK.
Maybe we should push this as separate story out on slashdot
https://slashdot.org/submissio...
Atari rules... ermm... ruled.
White man, the Marxist-globalist witches have declared war on you. They lost a big battle recently, but they haven't raised the white flag yet.
Here are the countermeasures:
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+ USENET
+ Discussion Forum on TOR Darknet
Yeah, you read correctly. Our Russian-Viking brothers help us against the Marxist witches. They do so with a little interruption since the days of the czar.
You lost again against our General Franco. Your idealist tyranny did not realize itself. You openly declared war on the White Man. You know what ? We fought back against you Sand N1gger-N4zis and Spartans.
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For a Mohammedist or a Marxist Fake News is only a problem, "if not issued while aiding our nice ideology".
So, a Marxist-Banksterist lie is not a problem. It's a "fact". E.g. "Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq"
A counter-Marxist-Banksterist lie is a HUUUGE problem and it will be thrown in the same bag as all true reports. Then it will be called "bag of non-facts".
The Marxists invented Information Warfare ("Agitation and Propaganda"), but the White Man turned this weapon against their inventors. Now they cry foul. Too bad. Suck it up. General Franco won AGAIN. And no, he is just a patriot, that's all.
Patriot comes from latin "Papa", Germanic "Vater"/"Father". Compare French "Patrie" - Germanc "Land of the fathers" or "Vaterland".
The Marxists declared war on the fathers, on the patriots. We fought back. Wir haben gewonnen.
Hurra !
Far-Right, New-Right, Tea-Party, Alt-Right, Hard-Right... What's Next: Neo-Right!?
Throughout history, the English world has referred to political or social groups that espouse populist ultraconservative and extreme nationalist ideologies as far-right groups or parties. But, recently I have observed an explosion of new terminology being invented to try to distinguish the multitude of far-right groups - all of which share the same ultraconservative, ultranationalist rejection of modern egalitarianism. It is almost as if far-right groups are jostling for position to see who can pronounce themselves to be at the furthest right of the left-right socio-political ideological spectrum.
It may be that if one splits hairs, one may identify unique characteristics that distinguish the different groups' neoreactionary philosophies - and many people will point these out to confused detractors like myself. Far-right groups have as much right to exist and espouse their ideological views as any other socio-political group... but, for the sake of clarity, lets stop inventing completely new terminology to describe how much further to the right one group may be than the ones that came before it.
Never since the formalisation of the struggles for independence, self determination and emancipation by the long suffering subjects of British, French and Portuguese colonies have we seen the emergence of so many political and social "movements" as we have seen in recent far-right politics of America. Calling one's social, political or pressure group a movement, no matter how well funded it is, does not automatically bestow upon it a mark of legitimacy if it is not borne out of the organisation of legitimate grass-root and civil societal formations that will sustain it as a movement long after the big cheques stop flowing because the socio-economic issues that are the fuel of real movements very rarely follow the ebb and flow of the electoral cycle. So, enough already with the "it's a movement" when referring to the shiny new vehicle a particular group may be using to rally its supporters behind its latest socio-political ideological project.
Okay... I'll get off my soapbox now and shut up.
You run out of rational arguments and start shouting. Give us more of that :-)
Now that "fake news" has become a well-known term, it is already being used by people in an attempt to discredit opinions they disagree with.
Here's one of the articles criticizing Musk, Tesla and Solar City. Where it quotes facts, the facts are true. However, it also includes a great deal of opinion, mainly that the government subsidies Musk's companies receive are excessive, and a prime example of cronyism.
The facts are quite clear: Tesla and Solar City only exist because of the massive subsidies they have received. Are those subsidies justified? Should they continue? Some people apparently do not want to have this discussion.
Enjoy life! This is not a dress rehearsal.
The people of Afghanistan need personal guns out of fear of invaders of all shades. They always cut the invader asses and eject their bones afterward. See why guns are highly necessary ?
Killed Millions: Iraq, Syria.
Any more arguments, communist ?
America has tons of money. Russia had it too in the early 1900s. Now you can kindly suffer the same shit as Russia from 1917 to 1991, albeit in a watered-down form. That's Karma for fucking with the peace of Iraq and Syria.
We owe your globalist money overlords a bow-down. NOT.
Is now full of PATRIOTS. White men who help other white men against the Marxists who tortured our Russian brothers too long.
But unlike you former COMINTERN PUPPETS, we do not need a centralized command.
Barrel bombs are so passé... I have noticed that since late last week every single media outlet all of a sudden is "fake news, fake news, fake news!"
Any bets on which fearmongering buzzwords will be hot next quarter?
How is this fake news?
(1) Musk takes subsidies.
(2) "Fraud" is a term with both technical (legal) and nontechnical (colloquial) meaning. In either case, you'd point to some set of facts and those facts would either support your accusation of fraud or they wouldn't. This might be subjective.
3. Ditto comparison to a felon. Depends on the specific details of the comparison made.
4. "Fake" people write stuff all the time. "Mark Twain" was a fake person yet we don't throw away all the stuff he wrote.
Cut off his subsidies and watch all his ponzi schemes fail within months. All his outfits generate huge losses. Without taxpayer money he's gonna fail big time. What he's good at is extorting money from naive investors and setting states on one another to offer him the biggest tax cuts when he promises to build his factories in them.His capitalistic empire is built on human suffering and deceit. Slashdot is the HQ of Musk's brownnosers, no wonder all you see in this thread is desperate justification for him and his evil schemes.
Is why the the right wing would want to attack Musk. He's an entrepreneur, he's creating a LOT of jobs and intellectual property and he has a distinctly libertarian streak. Why are they attacking the guy?
For the life of me, I can't figure out why people are in denial about Russia's involvement in attacking our electoral process.
Sure, you can find Macedonian teenagers, and idiots in California who claim that "only conservatives fall for fake news" and that it "doesn't work with liberals" (...) but that's a side show.
Start here, and read it until you grasp what is going on:
Russian propaganda effort helped spread 'fake news' during election, experts say
The flood of "fake news" this election season got support from a sophisticated Russian propaganda campaign that created and spread misleading articles online with the goal of punishing Democrat Hillary Clinton, helping Republican Donald Trump and undermining faith in American democracy, say independent researchers who tracked the operation.
Russia's increasingly sophisticated propaganda machinery including thousands of botnets, teams of paid human "trolls," and networks of websites and social-media accounts echoed and amplified right-wing sites across the Internet as they portrayed Clinton as a criminal hiding potentially fatal health problems and preparing to hand control of the nation to a shadowy cabal of global financiers. The effort also sought to heighten the appearance of international tensions and promote fear of looming hostilities with nuclear-armed Russia.
Two teams of independent researchers found that the Russians exploited American-made technology platforms to attack U.S. democracy at a particularly vulnerable moment, as an insurgent candidate harnessed a wide range of grievances to claim the White House. The sophistication of the Russian tactics may complicate efforts by Facebook and Google to crack down on "fake news," as they have vowed to do after widespread complaints about the problem.
https://www.washingtonpost.com...
Then continue here:
A collection of articles on Russia influence operations in the United States:
The threat from Russia
22 Oct 2016
How to contain Vladimir Putins deadly, dysfunctional empire
FOUR years ago Mitt Romney, then a Republican candidate, said that Russia was Americas number-one geopolitical foe. Barack Obama, among others, mocked this hilarious gaffe: The 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back, because the cold wars been over for 20 years, scoffed the president. How times change. With Russia hacking the American election, presiding over mass slaughter in Syria, annexing Crimea and talking casually about using nuclear weapons, Mr Romneys view has become conventional wisdom. Almost the only American to dissent from it is todays Republican nominee, Donald Trump.
http://www.economist.com/news/...
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Belching smoke through the Channel, Russian aircraft carrier so unreliable it sails with its own breakdown tug
22 Oct 2016
The ageing Russian aircraft carrier that sailed through the English Channel escorted by the Royal Navy has been plagued by years of technical problems and is accompanied everywhere by a tug in case it breaks down.
The plumbing is so bad on the 55,000 ton Admiral Kuznetsov that many of its toilets cannot be used, while it has had repeated problems with its power and a string of accidents, naval experts said.
The Soviet-era warship is leading a flotilla of eight naval vessels to the eastern Mediterranean, where its aircraft are expected to join a renewed assault on the rebel-held city of Aleppo.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new...
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Yes, 17 intelligence agencies really did say Russia was behind hacking
21 Oct 2016
Donald Trump
Sure, because Musk is the government of the US and its only representative in all branches. These writers obviously want Musk to write his Dictatus Muskae as the next constitution of the country. Trump wouldn't be their Hitler, so they are looking for other candidates.
Sounds like libel or slander to me. And as this is not political speed, it isn't protected, there's far less to hide behind.
I don't know what is wrong with the far right that they want to shut down ... oh wait, it's the petrochemical industry isn't it. Solar power and electric cars aren't their favourite things.
Maybe, just maybe, it would be useful to reconsider these incidents with the point of view that it's *never* right for a police officer to kill a person. That can't be correct - I understand. But it's a good starting point. Then in each case ask whether the police used lethal force to prevent further lethal violence, which is just about the only reason I see to authorize it.
Out.
The Alt-right _loves_ Elon Musk. I think someone is distorting the facts with an agenda here.
Bloomberg - a very far left newspaper with more hit piece opinion articles that facts is calling right wing news fake after wikileaks showed that the Clinton campaign worked hand in glove with the New York Times, CNN and Associated Press to push news articles that would help her hurt Trump. After Wikileaks showed that Podesta/Hillary worked with many news stations to falsely show poll results to try to swing the vote. This is such a pile of disengenuous bullshit.
See subject: He's Hillary's owner & has literally said he is a GOD, he wants to break the USA (it's in globalist's way) & he led his own Jew people into Hitler's clutches (what makes anyone think he wouldn't do the same to them or worse?) & he breaks nations (investments in thai currency & dumping it to break nations + he is credited as the man who "broke the bank of England") - specifically WANTING to break ours (USA).
* Think about that...
(To me, it looks like he wants to start a blacks vs. whites race war or a 'country vs. city' one)
APK
P.S.=> The ONLY reasons I favored Trump (who isn't taking pay for being president OR his 1st 100 days off as traditionally happens w/ new presidents)? He's not on a puppetstring of silver (so-to-speak) he owes parties like SOROS above for (megalomaniac) & the business of America is in trouble (results of a lawyer running things & corrupted politicians in the house + senate imo) - we don't need another lawyer ruining it more (Hillary) & we DO need a businessman to fix up the business of the USA (create & get back offshored jobs)... apk
LOL! Trump didn't sell Putin our uranium.
Their whole existence is based on claims like Mike Brown being shot by an abusive cop, despite evidence that proves otherwise.
You think it's based on one incident? Tell us more about what fake news is responsible for.
I think you missed the point of this whole "fake news" controversy. These twenty-something goofballs start a fake news site to make money off the alt-right, and alt-right news sites who don't do any fact checking immediately pick up the stories.
In the past few days, there have been several interesting interviews with some of the people who run fake news sites. The reason th doing it. Alsoey say that fake news doesn't work on the Left will blow your mind.
I heard about this story yesterday on NPR, about an alt-right fake-news writer living in Los Angeles.
TL/DR: Jestin Coler (the fake-news writer) claimed that he does it to show how easily hoodwinked people are by fake news, but when pressed, he admitted he could make lots of money doing this. A few interesting quotes from his interview:
The whole idea from the start was to build a site that could infiltrate the echo chambers of the alt-right, publish blatantly false or fictional stories and then be able to publicly denounce those stories and point out the fact that they were fiction.
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We've tried to do similar things to liberals. It just has never worked, it never takes off. You'll get debunked within the first two comments and then the whole thing just kind of fizzles out.
A presumably liberal minded poster quotes a source they are specifically noting as a self admitted liar and pusher of false news, to demonstrate that interestingly enough liberals don't bite on false news because it gets debunked in the first two comments.
This presumably is meant to show that liberals are more honest and/or less gullible. Of course, in debunking this with my own post perhaps I've proven it right?
I'm confused now.
"Controlled opposition" or "false flag operation".
The purpose could be to build the "fake news" narrative, to boost Elon Musk's credibility, or both. Elon Musk is popular. The attacks are transparently dishonest and unconvincing, and will be rejected immediately as outrageous by anyone who is favorably inclined toward him to begin with. Furthermore, by their prima facie unreasonableness, they're likely to defuse justified and reasonable criticism of his business activities: anyone who believes it's a conspiracy against (rather than for) Elon Musk will start to react with suspicion to anyone pointing out real issues with Tesla and SpaceX.
Note that Elon Musk linked the attacks with Donald Trump in his Twitter account, even though the claimed link is extremely tenuous. The purpose could be to make it it politically difficult for the new administration to cut the subsidies and sweetheart contracts that Elon Musk's businesses depend on.
All I can grasp from that quote is that, somehow, working for NPR.org is in and of itself a damnable act.
"See?! SEE?!!! She is a Digital Culture Correspondent for NPR's All Things Considered, Morning Edition, Weekend Edition, and NPR.org!!! Don't you sheeple understand what that means!??!?!?
SHE'S A LIBRUL!!! ONE OF THEM FOLK WHO HANG IN LIBRRR-EYES AND USIN SECRET WORDAGE TO CONFUSE YOU AN MEK YU THINK YU STOOPIDBRAN!!!"
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
why are you repeating yourself?
besides union busting and arming a whole bunch of people with little or no training (buddy of mine is a gun nut and has taken a few classes, you'd be surprised and terrified by how many people think it's both legal and OK to shoot somebody because they made off with your TV).
1. End the war on Drugs. Of course the cops are violent. They're not cops, they're soldiers.
2. Put a stop to wealth inequality. There's no fine for a fix it ticket. It's used to keep poor people out of wealthy peoples neighborhoods and prevent them from using the services paid for by property taxes. It, like our drug laws, are how we keep poor people cordoned off in their own miserable little world.
And you're right about why gun laws started passing. But you're also ignoring why they weren't passed sooner. Wages went up and the cost of guns went down. Blacks could _afford_ guns. Until then money was our gun control. It's money. It's always about money.
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wasn't neo-conservative the buzzword during Bush Jr era?
âoeThereâ(TM)s a very obvious precedentâ for this, says Sam Jaffe, managing director of Cairn Energy Research Advisors. âoeThatâ(TM)s Hillary Clinton.â
Jaffe says that whoever is behind the attacks is aiming at Musk personally because they fear he could go into politics. He cited the allegations of fraud (emails) and negligence (Benghazi) levied at Clinton during the presidential campaign, charges that cemented the publicâ(TM)s perception of her as shady. âoeItâ(TM)s the exact same thing as Musk. Thereâ(TM)s a portion of the political spectrum that is scared to death of Musk as politician. They see him as a threat. Theyâ(TM)re starting that process.â
That's absurd. Sure, like many other famous people, Musk might be considering some political role in the future. But if these attacks exist, they're targeting him for a near future reason not some nebulous political agenda. I'd look at his business interests instead.
I notice that one of the alleged "fake news" stories is a singular attack on SolarCity and specifically mentions an election for the Arizona Corporation Commission. Apparently, there has been a split between the members of the commission with one member, Robert "Bob" Burns demanding to know how much money was donated to fellow Republicans from an Arizona utility. It apparently escalated to the point, that three Republicans ran for office as a bloc in 2016, apparently to block Burns from getting reelected (and failed). SolarCity supported Burns's campaign by running ads.
The incumbents are former House Speaker Andy Tobin, appointed in January by Gov. Doug Ducey, and Bob Burns, a former state Senate president who has been on the commission since 2013. The two show little affection, and have battled over Burnsâ(TM) effort to force the stateâ(TM)s largest utility to disclose whether it spent $3.2 million in the 2014 commission election. Arizona Public Service has neither confirmed nor denied it spent the money to back Republicans Tom Forese and Doug Little, who won.
Gray, Melvin and Tobin are running as a team, meaning they can boost their spending power by airing combined ads. Dunn, Burns and Tobin are privately financing their campaigns, while Melvin and Gray are using public money through the Arizona Clean Elections Commission. Democrats Bill Mundell and Tom Chabin also are using public funds.
All four candidates said Burns should drop his effort to force APS to reveal whether it spent in the election, which would constitute a major change in practice from decades of hands-off approaches of the election of commissioners who regulate monopoly utilities.
âoeThis is not about the Corporation Commission â" this is about Bob Burns now trying to get media attention and you guys are giving it to him,â Tobin said in an interview. âoeBut at the end of the day, heâ(TM)s the only guy getting any money at all.â
Tobin was pointing to advertising benefiting Burns that is paid for by an outside group funded by nonregulated company SolarCity. The company has been battling utilitiesâ(TM) efforts to change how rooftop solar customers are paid for electricity they sell back to the utility.
It's not about emotion, it's about $$$. The people doing these fake stories are doing it because they are getting paid to do it. The ones paying them to do it see an angle to either make more money by throwing dirt at Musk's ventures or are doing it to protect an existing revenue stream.
With humans it's always about power, sex or money. Frequently all three.
If they made just enough corn each year and had to make profit on their own then in bad crop years there'd be no excess food to ship to poor countries who depend on us to feed their starving people for free with all the excess food we ship and prices in the market would shoot sky high for average Americans and the poor here would be hurt very badly too.
So corn subsidies are a form of socialism and safety net.
I don't think he's being attacked online just because Elon Musk is at odds with right-wing hate based fantasies. And I don't think it's because they're scared he might run for political office, as the article suggests. This seems to be a very skillful, well orchestrated campaign. It almost has to be because he's talking about UBI, a Universal Basic Income - and that goes against the right wing's current thinking.
http://eureferendum2.blogspot.co.uk/2008/01/do-we-know-what-it-is-we-do-not-know.html
Slashdot is becoming exactly like the liberal media. Anti-trump this, anti-trump that. So much for non biased. Slashdot bookmark deleted. Won't read this left wing hate anymore.
Their fake news sources are much much better at making shit up and they coordinate their lies with Hillary and the DNC so it seems real.
Make no mistake this is serious and these people are paid.
The question is, paid by who? He's not just threatening the energy and automotive industries, as SpaceX also happens to be a major problem for competing launch entities, such as the ULA, Russian, and the PRC.
Evidence of "fake news" sites have been trending since before the election, but not this "right-wing bad guy" rubbish, it was CNN, MSM, etc. airing blatantly misleading information in place of important news that was surfacing about Hillary literally on a daily basis at the end of the election. The extent they went to suppress what was in her emails was orwellian. Slashdot hasn't been safe from the propaganda either. A lot of people here still think Trump is the biggest news of today. I hate to be the one to say this, but you're literally programmed to think he's your enemy. Wake up and remember Snowden. You're being herded like sheep by propagandists.
During the election Slashdot was one of the few level headed places about Trump, not outright trusting him but at least not becoming deranged with wild apocalyptic theories or fawning praise like everywhere else. Now he's won and all of a sudden he's the author of all evil despite haven't really done anything except doing half of what he said he was going to do and walk back on some of the things people here hated him the most on. It feels we're backsliding into the bad old days when the crowd that eventually moved to Digg and Reddit was still here and every Republican candidate took their turn being the Great Satan who was going to end the world. And lets not forget that evil 'alt-right' and 'fake news' that didn't exist until the election and now is behind every tree and under every rock. ..
Tesla is taking market share from the established car makers (in the US they currently sell more large luxury cars than any other manufacturer i.e. Mercedes etc).
Old school car manufacturers hate Musk.
Electric vehicles use no petrochemical fuel to power them, Tesla has shown that electric vehicles can be more than a novelty.
The fossil fuel sector hates Musk.
Solar City (now part of Tesla) enable customers to go off grid or at least reduce the power they buy from the grid.
The electric utilities hate Musk (they shouldn't really since electric cars will enable them to sell power in the middle of the night when no one else wants it).
The existing rocket companies now have competition, before it was a very lucrative monopoly. SpaceX is cheaper, more capable and don't employ forty year old Russian rocket engines.
Boeing and Lockheed Martin hate Musk.
The car dealers hate the fact Tesla won't sell through them but sells direct. They fear if Tesla gets away with this the other manufacturers will follow suite.
The car dealers hate Musk.
The US air force was sued by Musk to be allowed to tender for military satellite launches, he exposed the corrupt practices that let procurement officers get re-employed by their suppliers after retirement from the military.
The military top brass hate Musk.
SpaceX is seeking permission to launch large number of low orbit (to reduce latency) satellites to provide a cheap internet connection for the citizen of the world.
The existing internet providers hate Musk.
So many long established highly profitable enterprises have all of a sudden found the need to become competitive, they prefer the way things were.
Internet connection everywhere, via satellite, maybe even the cellphones will be voip and then how would they shut all communication down like they did on 9/11
History shows us one thing with new technology. Other people will oppose it. They will lie, often do whatever it takes to stop it. I'm sure he has already anticipated an attack, perhaps just not this type of attack. If he's on the up and up, I hope he comes back. OTOH, if he's sucking us dry for all we're worth, burn 'em. Stop the Fraud.
Do I go with "The left is crazy with their fake renewable scams burning up taxpayer money and their bogus global warming" or do I go with "The right is crazy with their big oil conspiracy to swindle the public for billions and destroy the planet"? I just can't decide which crazy to go with these days. I guess I'll just keep getting my news from GodlikeProductions. They seem to have a handle on crazy.
And guess where by far the most prolific sources of fake news come from
The left, the source of many (if not all) false flags for the last year.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
See subject: I create a tool folks like & use - you don't. All you do is talk behind my back (fake name online punk = you).
* I loved how antiperimetaparalogo put you in your place regarding me https://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=7492919&cid=49820553/ calling me a GREAT MAN (something YOU will never be - & you KNOW it, loser).
APK
P.S.=> Your "ne'er-do-well" mere CHATTERING FOOL life explains that about you completely, lol... apk