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South Carolina Bill Wants To Put Porn Blocks On New Computers (zdnet.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from ZDNet: People buying new computers and devices in South Carolina would be blocked from accessing porn under a newly proposed law. A bill, pre-filed earlier this month by state lawmaker Bill Chumley, is called the Human Trafficking Prevention Act, and would require computer makers and sellers to install filters that would prevent users from accessing porn and other sexual material. The aim is to prevent access to sites that facilitate prostitution and trafficking, Chumley told a local newspaper this weekend, which the state has struggled to curtail in recent years. "If we could have manufacturers install filters that would be shipped to South Carolina, then anything that children have access on for pornography would be blocked," Chumley reportedly said. "We felt like that would be another way to fight human trafficking."
In other news, South Carolina law makers prove they have no idea how computers or the internet work.
"Grab them by the pussy" -- President of the United States of America
Because porn sites are used for prostitution? If they really cared about prostitution they'd block craigslist. And online dating sites. Because that's where real prostitutes hang out.
In other news: Internet usage in South Carolina has dropped 99%!
just like cars in the front yard.
I wonder what would happen if this law was passed, and South Carolinians have to drive to Georgia to buy a new laptop or phone?
I went back to the source article. It basically is a suggestion to require that certain filtering software be installed by manufacturers or pay $20 per box which would go to fight anti-human trafficking. The software is not required to be used or even turned on by default, and evidently can be removed.
But its more fun to make this a censorship play.
So how many children have been prosecuted for human trafficking in South Carolina? Is it a real problem there?
I was under the impression that human trafficking was usually adults preying upon other adults and children. I know I'm going out on a limb here, but perhaps this isn't about human trafficking at all?
Thanks for correcting my information South Carolina, I better keep up my guard when interacting with a child now, they could be a human trafficking kingpin and out to GET ME!!
Don't forget the illegal drug sites. And fake news, and ...
..and 'liberal' websites, non-Christian religious sites, any website that even mentions birth control or abortion, and.. as a matter of fact, they should just disable all internet access completely. Much simpler than having to have a terabyte drive to contain all the domain names, all around the world, that they'd consider objectionable. I'm sure people will be perfectly happy reading the books that they haven't banned in that state, and whatever their religious leaders decide they should know.
Now tell us, if you will, what connection does porn have with human trafficking? Conventional wisdom says that most human trafficking takes place in the unskilled industries, and most definitely not the adult film sector -- the latter having had extreme requirements in terms of model ID and ID retention and what-not just to ensure that actors and actresses are over 18.
Firstly....If they are going to assert porn = human trafficking, I wanna see some reliable evidence.
Secondly, if the objective is to "protect children"....will instructions for adults to remove the filters be included? If so, pretty much negates the point.
Thirdly, is the South Carolina market even large enough for most device manufacturers to justify this cost?
So as a customer I either have to pay for nebulous software that will be of no use to me (ie, won't run under my operating system) or else I have to pay a $20 tax to a nebulous "fight against human trafficking".
Just so we're on the same page here...
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Why not just raise an extra $20 per head for human trafficking? First of all, the filter will almost certainly end up being disabled, so it's an utter waste of time, and second of all it's going to raise costs on buying new computers, which won't do PC sellers any favors.
Another stupid idea by a stupid politician who just wants to be seen to be doing something.
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How does blocking porn impact human trafficking?
This is simply pandering to the religious right. Those repressed people who probably cannot control their own urges to look at porn, so they want the state to do it for them (the want the state to control their viewing of porn, not wanting the state to look at porn for them).
The real "Libtards" are the Libertarians!
Someone would be putting up new computer kiosks on major routes just across state lines.
It's just like Porky's, but with computers instead of tits!
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Let the puritans win this. Anyone interested in porn can just uninstall it or develop a removal tool if necessary. Concerned mothers cluching their pearls and others pretending to fight human trafficking get what they want, and you porn addicts out there get what you want. They say you can pay to have it removed, but... lol. Don't fret, you're smart enough.
This person should not be in government at any level or have any power anywhere!. This individual is an idiot! ;) Yea like this will work, NOT! ;)
;) ;) duh! Fat chance of that ;)
;) lol
Mandatory, manufacturer installed content filters
One does wonder what politicians and government bureaucrats would do! Since they are the ONLY ones who would be to stupid to know how to bypass things
mmmm Maybe actually do something constructive for a change
Nope they would sponsor bring your kid to work day and have them remove it
"South Carolina Bill Wants To Put Porn Blocks On New Computers"
Translation: "South Carolina Lawmaker Bill Chumley Is A Fucking Idiot"
No surprise it's from South Carolina, where the state motto is, "At Least We're Not Louisiana"
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
Sex, pedophilia, rape, incest, bigamy/polygamy, bestiality, murder, infanticide, fratricide, matricide, patricide, genocide.
It's been my experience that most people that have actually read the scriptures that they hold dear are much less likely to try to force said scripture down everyone else's throats, and are much more likely to actually live by what they feel are the messages.
The vast majority of people that claim a religion are basically like your average sports fan. They have a team, they support that team, they get loud and boisterous and abrasive about their team, but they don't play, they never really played other than dabbling in it as a child, and they have no idea what it actually takes to make the team successful. They simply buy the merchandise and spout off expressions that they've heard with no deeper understanding.
Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
Manufacturers will surely add a SKU for whatever State causes them to need it, however if the law is being challenged they're probably not going to have to comply until after the court cases are finished. And in this case, the law would get tossed out. But they'll drop the bill after some business people call the office and explain it.
Here is a four step plan for every time you plan to create legislation about this magical thing called "the internet".
1. Find out how the internet works
2. Once you realized you're too stupid to understand it, discuss your law idea with someone who isn't.
3. If that someone tells you that it either unenforceable, technically impossible or completely insane, drop the idea.
4. You, and only you, find a way to enforce it and to implement it.
Failure to follow these steps means you accept that you'll be ridiculed. Like this bozo who very obviously wants to create a law about something he doesn't have the first clue about.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
If they really really REALLY wanted to stop human trafficking they would legalize prostitution. For product / demand you make illegal, there will form a black market for it illegally. Those black markets don't worry about prescription drug benefits, unionization, or any other form of worker safety and security. Legalized prostitution would stop the suffering of those who are at the bottom (pun intended) of the illegal sex traffic rings.
Tenuous implies more of a relationship than I expect actually exists.
Pornography requires overt marketing of the subjects. It's the images or videos themselves that make the financial transaction happen. While there are some pornographic actresses that have been reported to have also worked as prostitutes, they're usually still working for themselves.
If I understand sex trafficking correctly, those managing the girls being used don't really want their actual girls being photographed or otherwise made personally identifiable on a large scale. That kind of overt look would probably make it hard for them to continue to use that particular girl because she'd draw the attention of the authorities. Being part of the black market is what makes it possible for them, if it's exposed for what's going on then it comes apart.
Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
You really think politicians would put a stop on the only technology they know how to use to annoy you whenever election time comes?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
When attempting to impose your personal religious values upon the unsuspecting populace, always exploit children in the process.
Something tells me this has less to do with human trafficking and more to do with Rep. Chumley's personal hang-ups. The Wikipedia article which presently lists his name as "Bill Chumley AKA 'Pedo McDickcheese'" offers no answers, but from looking at him it appears he may simply have forgotten what it's like to have a libido.
While I personally doubt that porn consumption has a single Goddamned thing to do with modern-day slavery, I will honor Rep. Chumley's good intentions by abstaining from the viewing of pornography for at least the next half-hour. Instead I've looked up his daughter-in-law Taryn Foster Chumley on Google Images, and if you like brunettes with big blue eyes in wedding dresses I recommend you do the same.
"If we could have manufacturers install filters that would be shipped to South Carolina, then anything that children have access on for pornography would be blocked," Chumley reportedly said. "We felt like that would be another way to fight human trafficking."
You know, I've been wondering whether this human trafficking thing was actually terribly serious problem in the West or if it was just the latest bogeyman from the wings of the socially conservative right and the progressive left being used to clumsily push the same tired agenda of indiscriminate prudery.
Thanks for clearing that up for us.
Don't know if I'd go quite that far.
Your assertion requires that enough women would become sex workers to sate the market, and that there isn't some segment of the market that would still be without sex workers fulfilling it.
If what I've been told about sex trafficking is correct then the girls in it are not there voluntarily. They're essentially kidnap victims that are not really free to leave for a myriad of possible reasons, and they personally earn nothing beyond what their pimps think they need to have in order to remain effective.
It could also be that human trafficking would continue because the price for services with such girls would be cheaper than with those working voluntarily as prostitutes. Just to assume some numbers, if a woman that works as a prostitute charges $500 for services and if a pimp charges $250, the pimp might have to spend some of that money on the girl, but he may pocket $200. If he has four girls consistently working then that's $800 for him with only $200 outlay for expenses, and the customer sees that one girl costs twice what the other costs.
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then anything that children have access on for pornography would be blocked," Chumley reportedly said. "We felt like that would be another way to fight human trafficking."
So stopping children from accessing certain websites will reduce human trafficking? Wow, those South Carolina children are hardcore!
Or just make everything legal, then it's impossible to break the law. Problem solved.
Actually I would expect someone to make a malware product and call it Free PornBlock Remover, or something based on the name of the actual filter plus the words remover or uninstaller.
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Supply would meet demand, and price would adjust up and down. If the price rises (because as you assert there is more demand than there would be supply), then you would have more entrants due to the supply/demand imbalance. This would cause a "provider's market", and the high rates would entice more women to provide. If the price falls, then the supply would fall. That will ebb and flow until the market reaches a supply/demand balance, and adjust accordingly from there.
If it were all things equal perhaps I would agree with you, but given that people treat sex differently than other occupations even in places that it is legal, I doubt that standard market forces would entirely apply.
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Right. But no. I've thought about the economics and if you view this as a part of a bigger problem (overregulation), then you don't fall into the trap and see a sex market as any different than any other "free" market. It is a clear cut decision. Sex trafficking will stop because the costs to maintain a sex trafficking operation are too high to incur if your profit is restricted by the availability of the "legit" provider.
To put some numbers in:
Say a sex trafficker spends $50 recruiting, kidnapping, transporting, drugging, and providing for a girl (as measured per "service").
Then say he can offer her services out for $100. He makes $50.
But now that prostitution is legalized, he has to compete in a market. The price falls down to $80. But his customers don't get the comfort of a "legit, no worries" operation, he can not competitively advertise, he has no web presence, and so his customer acquisition costs are higher, also he has to reduce down to $60.
He now only makes $10, but he burdens enormous risk for that $10. He will be dissuaded from continuing to operate.
It's this fallacy that free markets can't fix what regulation can that puts us in trouble. Of course the free market can fix this. In no place is it unregulated and free to operate. It is however better to have a relatively free "regulated" market, than only a black market.
Supply would meet demand once the price stabilizes.
It may be full of sex and violence, but not in full-motion video. That's a specious point.
Why foist the burden on the manufacturers, when ISPs could clearly use this as a service model? ISPs could offer a porn-free, white-listed, internet service as an alternative to the full-buffet-of-evil Internet service, and let the consumers decide which they want to use.
Why would there be less woman willing to sell themselves if prostitution was legal? Do you actually envision a woman saying "Shit ... I wish I could be a street whore. There is just not enough fun on it now that I can't get arrested!"
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
In order to stop [universally agreed bad thing], we must control/penalize [thing associated with it].
In order to stop [school shootings] we must control/penalize [video games]
In order to stop [school shootings] we must control/penalize [guns]
In order to stop [human trafficking] we must control/penalize [porn]
In order to stop [human trafficking] we must control/penalize [prostitution]
In order to stop [human trafficking] we must control/penalize [strip clubs]
In order to stop [obesity] we must control/penalize [certain foods]
In order to stop [obesity] we must control/penalize [lack of exercise]
In order to stop [impaired driving] we must control/penalize [alcohol]
In order to stop [impaired driving] we must control/penalize [marijuana]
In order to stop [car crash deaths] we must control/penalize [driving]
In order to stop [car crash deaths] we must control/penalize [pedestrians]
In order to stop [car crash deaths] we must control/penalize [roadborne transport of fuel]
It's actually much worse - the filter won't be disabled, but it won't work, either. Carolina parents who like the idea of blocking porn from their children will come to depend on it instead of parenting their children. By the age of about 9, most kids will know how to Google well enough to find the sites that tell how to circumvent the filter in a way that their parents will never know - teaching them how to lie to authority, circumvent the system, etc. Oh, and illicit porn is soooo much more exciting than porn that your parents know about and shrug at.
It may be full of sex and violence, but not in full-motion video. That's a specious point.
Oooooh, I feel a major porn production coming on... The Red Tent was nothing, if you actually depicted the King James literally in uncensored screenplay, imagine how irate you could make so many people.
That would be bootlegging, that never happens in the South.
You don't think this is a censorship play, do you? I guess you'd like to think that everyone who goes online is a tech-savvy tech savant who, while certainly not as brilliant as you, possess enough interest in the minutae of the software installed on their phones/laptops/IOT toasters that how they're set up is a perfectly informed choice.
Alright then, next time you talk to your most computer-illiterate relative (no judgements here!) ask them when the last time they changed their Facebook password was. Or reviewed their Facebook privacy settings. Or ran Windows update. Or ran a virus scan.
Most people don't change the default passwords on their routers. Or uninstall the shovelware that comes with a new PC or laptop. Or do anything more with their phones than change the background and ringtones. Do you think most people would be scanning down the list of blocked domains looking to see if it's blocking non-conservative political sites or sites for gay teens or pregnancy health information or whatever? Yeah, it's censorship alright. Defaults matter. Default is permanent.
I'll be honest, we're throwing science against the wall to see what sticks. -Cave Johnson
Oh, and because you have to fill out a form to get your porn access filter removed, I'm sure that will never be used for any sort of blackmail purposes (political or otherwise) as South Carolina has just a spectacular history of keeping citizen records away from prying eyes.
Mr. Hu is not a ninja.
Sorry, laissez-faire is just as much a fantasy as a well run command economy is.
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Would it be in-line with the law to sell computers without display? That would surely prevent showing pornography.
Human trafficking is the newest horseshit excuse to enforce nanny state laws. It's the new one-size fits all boogeyman to pass laws against stripping, consensual prostitution, pornography.
"If we could have manufacturers install filters that would be shipped to South Carolina, then anything that children have access on for pornography would be blocked," Chumley reportedly said. "We felt like that would be another way to fight human trafficking."
Because what? Children who watch porn engage in human trafficking? I really think that legislators in South Carolina don't have the first clue as to how trafficking works.
Have gnu, will travel.
One of the more common ways they try to motivate the general populace for something they want.
This time it's a "For the children" give us 20$. That's their real goal. Also part of the "install applications that record what you do and reports home" information bit. You know, to uh..improve the blocking..for the children.
It's more just tiny steps to not have people outraged and add more surveillance slowly and have it become the norm.
If I had mod points this would get them! Why do some people who make a show of piety and THEIR religion forget all about love, tolerance and compassion. It seems that EVERYTHING these days is being turned into a zero sum game and a contest.
That's not going to work. Adobe just brought the Linux version of Flash up to the current Windows/Mac versions. So we're in line with the current porn distribution standards.
Have gnu, will travel.
When our government is full of those who still believe in legislation of morality as something that impresses an almighty God. I see many people clutching Bibles and telling everyone else they're sinners, very few who actually read those Bibles prayerfully and humbly and spend sufficient time regularly in front of the mirror examining their own hearts and minds...
When the king heard the words of the Book of the Law he tore his robes.2Kings22:11
I doubt it's hardware, so wiping the drive and installing Windows or Linux from a fresh ISO should get you back to lotion pounding again.
But what about other computers, such as iThings or Android computers? I can't find the text of the bill anywhere. Would these be covered? It can be quite difficult to replace the OS or remove pre-installed applications on these computers. "Fuck it, I'll just switch to SailfishOS" isn't an option for most computers which can fit in your pocket.
to the company that makes the software and/or the charity that runs the anti slavery ring (not sure why we call it "human trafficking" now. Spade a spade and all that). This is how you do giveaways to your friends without getting called on it.
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You seem to have a different idea about how hyphens work than both I and the previous poster do. Elaborate.
and the customer sees that one girl costs twice what the other costs
Customer also sees that one pimp is certified and selling legal women, whereas the other is not. Sleeping with the cheap girl brings legal risks to the customer, whereas sleeping with the pricier girl is completely legal.
Customer also knows that the legit prostitute has passed mandatory STD screening, whereas cheap girl has nothing but her word.
It is true that a completely free market does not solve every problem, so some measure of regulation is needed. Your arguments, however, are bogus.
You clearly know nothing about South Carolina, or most of the South for that matter.
I'm not entirely sure how to approach legalizing prostitution, but that's not what will stop human trafficking. It's Slavery basically, and you've got to stop people from being sold into slavery. That means giving people in general more money. Put enough money in the system and Slavery isn't economical any more. There's better places to spend your capital than on people. It's why just about all slavery is people from dirt poor countries being dragged into wealthier ones. Good 'ole socialism will stop modern slavery. Nothing else.
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...they'll crack down on or eliminate social services programs. "Of the more than 11,800 endangered runaways reported to NCMEC in 2015, one in five were likely victims of child sex trafficking. Of those, 74 percent were in the care of social services when they went missing." http://www.missingkids.com/Key...
Also, there needs to be a real investigation into why there are so many missing kids from Virginia... http://www.missingkids.com/Sea... Somebody tell me again how #pizzagate is fake news...
When the king heard the words of the Book of the Law he tore his robes.2Kings22:11
And out of state sellers with no presence in the state aren't required to comply anymore so than they would be for sales tax. Now the state could go after the buyers of the out of state computers and try to make them pay it, but that's not very good publicity to yank 80 year old grandma's into court to make them pay a $20 anti-human trafficking fee for a new computer.
This is a state money grab. None of the money collected is going to go to "anti-human trafficking". Even if the money does technically go to the police they would simply shift other funds out to a net zero impact. It's called a stealth tax increase.
Well, that's definitely standard "Free Market" theory. And it bears a certain relation to truth, but I wouldn't go so far as to assert that it *was* true. Humans are known to NOT be rational economic agents, especially where sex or social standing are involved.. But it should be less wrong than the current policies.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
But the math for zero-sum games is so much simpler...
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
I went back to the source article. It basically is a suggestion to require that certain filtering software be installed by manufacturers or pay $20 per box which would go to fight anti-human trafficking. The software is not required to be used or even turned on by default, and evidently can be removed.
Can be disabled or removed ... for now. As soon as this politician needs to run for re-election, he'll toughen his stance and find some data to cherry-pick to support his position that this software should be mandatory and should only be able to be disabled by paying a fee to the government. Meanwhile by the time a kid is 8 or 9 they'll probably be savvy enough with technology to bypass or uninstall the software.
Of course their religion is all about love, tolerance, and compassion -- and they'll kill any of the (by definition) morally bankrupt, eternally-damned heathens who dare to suggest otherwise...
That was actually my first reaction. After all, Ubuntu is easy to install, easy to use, and cheaper than the competition. And as long as they don't want to do anything exotic it should be just as good or better.
But thinking it over, I'm not so sure. Most people wouldn't dare touch their OS, and the margin of profit is higher for installing MSWind. Just charge them per hour or fraction thereof. You can be doing something else during most of the install.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
Why do some people who make a show of piety and THEIR religion forget all about love, tolerance and compassion.
Because actually forgiving people for their faults is hard. Attempting to live with the piety for themselves instead of just imposing it upon others is also hard. The vast majority of people are hypocrites. The point, which is lost in nearly all cases, is to recognize one's own hypocrisy and to attempt to correct one's own flaws in one's character. Look at expressions like, "he who is without sin; cast the first stone." Except that very few people are going to acknowledge their sins or let such arguments guide them even if they are aware of them.
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If anything, the money will be used like Oklahoma use's the lotto money for "education". Instead of adding any money into the educational budget, they use the money to "fill up" that part of the budget, and then take the money that would have gone into that and it goes wherever they want. No additional money is actually added to that part of the budget.
And what about companies buying computers for their employees? Of course, most decent-sized corps don't buy from a local supplier...but if I was refreshing a site in SC I would be pretty upset to suddenly have to pay an extra $20 per unit. And if I was a manufacturer, I'd be pretty pissed about having to add additional procedures just for a single state. I think that this might even end up in a lawsuit around regulation of intrastate commerce, but IANAL.
Actions like this make companies not want to move into / expand into states that try things like this.
I like your comment but technically it is incorrect. Things are becoming negative-sum games. We as a whole can live with zero-sum games although obviously positive-sum games are preferred. It is negative-sum games that are slams and burn.
Sorry, it isn't.
There's not much evidence either way, but let's make two assumptions;
Legal prostitution causes an increase in supply.
Legal prostitution causes an increase in demand.
Price is only going to go down if supply increases more than demand.
The Governor who went MIA for a week so he could have an affair in Argentina.
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Because Christianity teaches that LGBT people are "abominations" and the Bible orders them put to death. I think curbing murder and violence should be top priority.
2) Get Windows to tell you your product key and reinstall Windows (after all, since it came with the computer, you paid for it). I doubt M$ will bake in "Net Nanny", even with the religious right fundies getting their undies in a knot.
The state of South Carolina could hire an OSS programmer to design a filter/firewall that could be made available free of charge from the state web site to parents of children who feel the need to filter web sites. Simple to read and follow instructions could be provided and the cost could be borne by the state rather than passed on to those that don't give a shit...
errr....umm...*whooosh* *whoosh* Is this thing on ?
Why foist the burden on the manufacturers, when ISPs could clearly use this as a service model? ISPs could offer a porn-free, white-listed, internet service as an alternative to the full-buffet-of-evil Internet service, and let the consumers decide which they want to use.
Maintaining a whitelist of the internet makes herding cats look like childs play.
If they really really REALLY wanted to stop human trafficking they would legalize prostitution.
Yeah, that worked out really well in Amsterdam..
I'm not a complete idiot... Some parts are missing.
"not very good publicity to yank 80 year old grandma's into court"
The fine would be much higher than just the $20 fee and they can just hire the MPAA / RIAA lawyers to go after them.
Those assholes will probably eat a few grandmas along with suing them out of their life savings.
Pain is merely failure leaving the body
You clearly know nothing about South Carolina, or most of the South for that matter.
Apart from the fact that their idea of "Make America Great Again" is return not to 1950 but to 1850?
Pain is merely failure leaving the body
Taxation for one(theoretically they could adjust the price accordingly, but there is only so much a person is able and willing to pay for sex). That's why most sex worker advocates are for decriminalization not legalization. Legalization means they would have to pay taxes.
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I'm guessing you didn't actually read that article. The mayor made up figures not supported by facts to do a land grab in the Red Light District. The actual numbers were less than 1% of the sex workers in the city.
South Carolina Bill Wants To Put Porn Blocks On New Computers?
Porn Blocks? like a coin blocks but with Porn? and if I hit it a few times, Porns will pop out? We'll also get it on New Computers?
I need coffee badly...
Oh yes, In sure they would far prefer to have all her earnings to get pimp rather than a small percentage to the government. That's absolutely brilliant reasoning there bud!
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
Yes, it is.
The only free market is one without any rules. So no property rights, no contracts, no money, no fraud, no standards, nothing.
Anything else and all you're doing is arguing about the extent of regulation you want in your market.
It shouldn't take long with a history book to conclude where "no rules" inevitably ends up.
That's your personal morality, not real world.
No it isnt.
I live in a country where prostitution is legalized. Human trafficking is still a huge problem. The sex trade is not something women consider to be a job option: sex is a personal thing. Demand far outstretches supply. Legalization and free market will not magically fix things.
I think you're confused. What I asked my state representative for was to put a block of porn on all computers. Some of us poor people in South Carolina don't have fast access to the Interweb and are still on dial-up or without Interweb access at all. We can't get good porn. So we want blocks of porn installed on the computers before we buy them.
I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
... what they really want to do is charge citizens $20 to be permitted to view porn.
It has a link to the federal Human Trifficking Prevention Act, not the proposed South Caroline Human Trafficking Prevention Act. Same name, very different act.
"Any buyers who want the filter lifted after purchasing a computer or device would have to pay a $20 fee, after verifying they are 18 or older. “If an end user buys an apparatus, a computer, and they want access to that, they would have to pay to have that filter removed,” Chumley said."
This would mean a manufacturer could no longer just sell a device and be done with it - they would have to maintain a customer service division dedicated to verifying the age of purchasers, collecting money and going through the procedure of disabling the software. This also means the filter would have to be designed in such a way that the end user could not just turn it off themselves, otherwise it would defeat the age verification requirements. Anyone can purge unwanted software from a PC, but this applies to phones too. So in practical terms this means that all phones would have to be sold with a pornography-blocking filter that could not be disabled without rooting the device, or else pay a $20 stealth tax.
"The bill also would prohibit access to any online hub that facilities prostitution and would require manufacturers or sellers to block any websites that facilitate trafficking, Chumley said."
The anti-pornography lobby claims that all prostitution and pornography facilitates human trafficking, because even if no trafficking was involved in creating the pornography it still creates a demand for prostitutes. So this is a provision that will either mean blocking all porn sites (good luck) or can be easily expanded to that in future. See example campaign at http://stoptraffickingdemand.c...
"The money collected from the fines and fees would go to the S.C. Attorney General’s Office's human trafficking task force, which works with law enforcement leaders, nonprofits and state advocates to find solutions to trafficking."
What nonprofits would those be? I have a suspicion that this may include anti-pornography pressure groups like the NSCE.
"According to the National Human Trafficking Hotline, South Carolina has had 1,330 calls to the hotline and reported 308 actual human trafficking cases since 2007."
And how many actual convictions? I don't trust these numbers.
"Chumley said the effort, co-sponsored by state Rep. Mike Burns, R-Greenville, would combat crimes against children and protect children from exposure to sexually explicit materials."
Ie, if you don't vote for this bill then you support child rape. You dirty pedo scum.
yeah it's basically a new tax and making it sure that you buy only ms and apple products.
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
I thought Chumley was involved with pawn, not porn!
That has been shown not to work. Prostitution was legalized in the Netherlands years ago. Research has shown a significant fraction of prostitutes are still human trafficking victims. Lured from poorer countries (in e.g. Eastern Europe, Africa) with the promise of a decent job, then held captive indefinitely.
So as a customer I either have to pay for nebulous software that will be of no use to me (ie, won't run under my operating system) or else I have to pay a $20 tax to a nebulous "fight against human trafficking".
I don't mind paying a tax or levy or whatever the correct term is, if I felt I could trust that it would be spent intelligently on a useful purpose. Personally, I detest pornography, not because of it's supposedly sexual content, but because it is so mind-numbingly unintelligent; but I can't see that it is my business to stop others from wasting their money on it. And filtering is at best inefficient and clumsy; you either end up running into road-blocks on things that shouldn't be filtered, or you keep running into crap that you really don't want to spend bandwidth on. I already have AdBlock and other things, and it seems to filter out all kinds of porn, including the kind called advertising; nothing more is needed.
If they can show me that the money is well spent, I would be willing to pay $100 every time I bought a new PC, why not? But I want to see the accounts every year.
If you want to see what happens when there is no regulation, go to a third world country. The reason they are third world countries is because there is no regulation of the "free" market.
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Pop 'legal sex work' into youtube and you'll see a number of accounts from women working as sex workers in countries where it is legal. The trouble is that legalisation is only one part of the problem. Destigmatisation is the other: societal attitudes towards sex create a defacto set of informal laws which are not subject to the democratic machinery in the normal way.
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Actually, according to the linked article, the man proposing the legislation thinks that you can install this filtering software in a way that would require someone to go to a state certified expert to have it removed because the law would charge you $20 to have the software removed. Or in other words, he wants every computing device sold in SC to have a rootkit installed on it.
The law is not going to get passed because it is a stupid law. I am pretty sure that the guy who proposed it knows it is not going to get passed.
The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
This is why younger generations don't give two shits about religion because of bullshit like this. You can bet that several of those kids at the religious university must have done a double take when these religionists decided to throw their weight behind Trump a man who represents almost no Christian values.
VPN usage skyrockets!
Or they could use taxes to fight their little war rather than regulating something irrelevant to raise money and appease their thou shall not touch thyself big sky-daddy.
Your assertion requires that enough women would become sex workers to sate the market
You do realise that a lot of women don't get paid for doing something they enjoy because it's illegal, unsafe, and unregulated, nothing more. Legalising it opens up a huge world of supply.
That's one good thing that came out of this election, the complete hypocrisy of "religious voters" has been exposed for all too see. They elected the poster boy of sinful behavior.
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Long story short - if it were to pass, the courts would block it for being overbroad. If not for just being a dumb idea.
Laws like this are as much about revenue collection than actually stopping anything. They would love it if people gave up porn.
But if not, and they get caught, then there will be punitive fines (aka revenue), perhaps currency and property forfeitures (revenue!), penalties and court costs (revenue!) and they'll wave the sex offender list in everyone's faces and tell them they should be glad to plead guilty, pay the fines and not end up on that list, OR they can risk trial and risk being convicted and risk being put on the list.
So of course most people will pay up and beg the judge for leniency and promise to never look at boobs again. Which of course will fail, and get them in trouble with the law again facing even bigger fines and penalties (revenue!!!!).
It's all really just a scam. And chances are, the people sponsoring this crap have drives jammed with the most depraved porn there is. History has repeatedly shown the moral warriors who go all-out to ban things like this or ban homosexuality or other things are extremely likely to be members of the very categories they want to ban, and the bans are motivated by a deep inability to accept who and what they are. If you are a gay politician or preacher deep in the closet and unable or unwilling to admit it and come out, of course you go crazy trying to have gays burned alive and shit.
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Your response drifts in to many irrrellevencies, but as far as censorship please explain what is being censored here? Did you read the source article (hint..not the one above)? User controlled filters on removable bloatware is not censorship, not even remotely . The fact that some people may need help using software doesn't change that. Furthermore there are MANY parents who would live to have such filters on their family computers. I'm not sating this is a good plan, but it is certainly not censorship.
Actually, according to the linked article, the man proposing the legislation thinks that you can install this filtering software in a way that would require someone to go to a state certified expert to have it removed because the law would charge you $20 to have the software removed. Or in other words, he wants every computing device sold in SC to have a rootkit installed on it.
No, there is nothing in the proposed idea that says anything of that sort. Did you make that up? If not please link to the proposition and where this is stated. The only thing required is either the device have the bloatware installed or the seller pay the $20 "tax"
Pure speculation on your part. Not sure what it is based on. I'm not defending this proposal, too many execution challenges to succeed IMO, but it may surprise you to know how many parents would welcome an easy and effective method to limit porn accessibility on devices their kids use. The solutions out there tend to suck, unfortunately this one probably would too. I see this as nothing but an oversimplified attempt in response to something many parents want.
Actually, 92% of new york female prostitutes claim they'd stop if they had enough money to live. I don't believe that would actually happen--they're too used to being insecure to recognize when they have enough to live--and instead figure that correcting our welfare system to be more-efficient and actually accomplish its goals would eliminate 92% of prostitution in the next generation.
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Supply would not meet demand in many specific sectors, particularly those that would remain illegal - especially under-age, involving animals and/or involving physical abuse.
That's quite aside from the other comments regarding the relative supply and demand, and impact on trafficking.
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No, 'as a citizen of South Carolina' you have to pay that tax.
A bill, pre-filed earlier this month by state lawmaker Bill Chumley, is called the Human Trafficking Prevention Act
South Carolina is at the bottom quin-tile in terms of median income and/or human development index. Me thinks them SC folks should revisit their priorities.
This is not some theory. Come to Amsterdam and experience legal prostitution in action. It works. It doesn't weed out 100% of forced prostitution (as you said there is a market for underage girls etc) but at least 90%.
No streetwalkers, they rent a little room with a window with red lights and receive their clients in the safety of their work space, supplied with shower, condoms, lube and a big muscular dude that will kick any troublemaker on the street immediately at the press of a button. Bin there. Taxes are the usual.
I vote for legalizing all victimless crimes. If what you do doesn't harm anyone elses rights it should be legal.
There's got to be a joke in here somewhere about tightening grips and slipping through fingers...huh.
Well, I'm sure it'll come to me eventually.
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http://www.goupstate.com/news/... From that article: “If an end user buys an apparatus, a computer, and they want access to that, they would have to pay to have that filter removed,” Chumley said.
The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
I'd like to see if they consider sites left of center as porn. I'd put nothing past the reactionaries of SC.
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In other words, these "conservative" politicians are doing a tax grab. Except they aren't honest about it, and they're doing it in an almost certainly unconstitutional way. Nice.
The second Freakonomics book has a chapter on the economics of prostitution that suggest there would be more supply if the demand rose., based on observations around the Fourth of July (apparently the demand picks up then in the city studied).
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
...I'm sure that companies would simply stop selling computers to the Palmetto State, right?
Populus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur...
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Why do you think legalizing prostitution would increase the STI rate? There might be more sexual activity, but if condoms are legally required I'd expect the amount of unprotected paid-for sex to decrease.
Keeping prostitution illegal may discourage women from going into it, but if you're worried about a woman being a desirable wife (which seems a bit odd to me), you do NOT want her to have a criminal record involving prostitution. Criminalizing behavior to protect the criminal from herself is stupid. If you want to protect prostitutes, making the job legal would give the workers the protections of law.
I'd be interested in knowing about the mental health and drug use of prostitutes where it's legal, since legalization might improve their condition.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
So legalization does not eliminate all sex trafficking. Does it eliminate some? Does it make it easier for a woman who escapes from her captors to get help?
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Or order one on-line. That's interstate commerce, and South Carolina has no authority over it. They'd have to go after the citizens themselves.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
... Of those, 74 percent were in the care of social services when they went missing." http://www.missingkids.com/Key...
Holy shit! Social Services must be quite the hellish place if these numbers are accurate. Reality again triumphs over world view. They (social services) assume they are helping the children but in reality putting them through a hell that is as bad as the sex trafficking to begin with. Why else run from people who are supposedly trying to help you?
Somebody tell me again how #pizzagate is fake news...
Your logical abilities are severely wanting.
Allegations are made against a pizza parlor owner. Children are missing in the same region the pizza parlor exists; therefore the allegations must be true... Air tight logic there sir. Well done.
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Children in social services programs are almost certainly troubled to begin with, so it's no surprise that they'd be most of the runaways.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
I went back to the source article. It basically is a suggestion to require that certain filtering software be installed by manufacturers or pay $20 per box which would go to fight anti-human trafficking.
My question is, who is the maker of that software related to in the SC legislation?
The State Government wants to block porn? The citizens would like to block the Lies that the State Government & all the Politicians tells and distribute as truth. No legislation will stop porn and no politicians will stop lying. It is a wasted effort, an unnecessary tax on the computer companies and ultimately the Consumer. (On the plus side, it does create another "revenue stream" – that is, another law to fleece the pyuublic.)
But its more fun to make this a censorship play.
It is a censorship play
Or why is there a $20 extortion to pay for NOT censoring, however weakly?
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Based on a lifetime of experience with people from all walks of life I'd have to say yes, it's rather scary inside my head by most people's standards, but that's besides the point, we're talking about one of the states of the union that is about as ass-backwards (and wanting to become even more so) as you can get, socially-speaking, and given their druthers they'd do all the above, and much, much more. If you think what I said above scares you, then I won't even list the other things they'd likely want to do, it'd scare you so far inside yourself that you'd be catatonic for years.
Apart from the fact that their idea of "Make America Great Again" is return not to 1950 but to 1850?
*nodding* Yeah you're on the right track there, except add to that 'occasional excursions all the way back to The Inquisition and Salem Witch Trials'.
Basically, there are plenty of people in that area of the country that I think would be perfectly happy to have modern-day feudalism and a theocracy, with the Church controlling and limiting what the commoners are allowed to learn and what news they're allowed to hear, otherwise they should keep quiet and do as they're told by the nobility -- just like the Old Days. Of course the flaw in that plan is always that everyone for it automatically assumes they'll be the nobles, not the commoners. ;-)
So the bill's sponsor is a fool who hasn't thought it through then?
The problem with this kind of study is that if it's illegal in an area, then it's tough to say what depresses supply and how demand on particular days affects supply.
When they hold national-level sporting events around here the local media makes a big deal of talking about sex trafficking. It makes sense after all, if a big event is coming here that sex traffickers would take the opportunity to market to visitors looking for easy access to sex and even if law enforcement presence increases, it's probably not going to increase proportionately to the attendance. In short, the environment is rich and the chances of being caught are probably not worse than normal. It's likely that all those girls and their pimps are coming in and temporarily abandoning their usual markets for the duration.
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What they found in Mexico when they changed how they handled prostitution was more workers had to be found and so they "brought" them in from other countries in Central America. Essentially increasing the human trafficking to meet the "legal" demand for sex workers.
I agree that putting the blocker on the PC will not solve the problem. There should be something on the router that handles this process. Then it will filter everything in the home, not just on one new PC. Seriously when was the last time you bought a PC from a manufacturer? Other than a Mac Something?
I've been buying NUCs from Intel for some time now, but they don't come pre-configured from Intel with an OS (or even a SSD or RAM.)
Well, I missed that so my mistake. Thanks for pointing that out. The rest of the article indicates it being handles differently, where the seller must pay. Its confusing, but clearly the intent is to make it optional to not use.
No way would it ever pass with the certified expert requirement.
Taxation for one(theoretically they could adjust the price accordingly, but there is only so much a person is able and willing to pay for sex). That's why most sex worker advocates are for decriminalization not legalization. Legalization means they would have to pay taxes.
If they make an income, they are still suppose to pay taxes whether the transaction is legal or not.
And out of state sellers with no presence in the state aren't required to comply anymore so than they would be for sales tax. Now the state could go after the buyers of the out of state computers and try to make them pay it, but that's not very good publicity to yank 80 year old grandma's into court to make them pay a $20 anti-human trafficking fee for a new computer.
Out of state sellers can still be required to comply as long as the same regulation applies to in state sellers. Enforcement would be tricky but they could certainly block imports of the offending devices.
If anything, the money will be used like Oklahoma use's the lotto money for "education". Instead of adding any money into the educational budget, they use the money to "fill up" that part of the budget, and then take the money that would have gone into that and it goes wherever they want. No additional money is actually added to that part of the budget.
California did the same thing. Money is fungible so the lottery proceeds for education displaced an equal amount which the legislature could then spend on pork.
I think that this might even end up in a lawsuit around regulation of intrastate commerce, but IANAL.
It is not a violation of interstate commerce if it applies equally to both devices which are sold in state and imported because then it would not be favoring in state sellers over out of state sellers.
Yeah...you do realize that most sex workers who are doing so voluntarily don't have a pimp, they have the internet. Safer and cheaper
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Oh, I get it ... You think the women *decides* to have a pimp! ROTFLMAO
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I thought that was obvious from the apparent belief that a porn filter is feasible.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Yes, and I don't remember the chapter enough offhand to address the methodological problems. It did conclude that the number of women working as prostitutes would go up when demand was high, such as July 4th.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
People are hunting people with all kind of smart witty arguments and maneuvers, but I am finding acquaintances and relatives in those sites I would not find any other place, as well as information I would have been denied but for rumors and lies. Information suppressing is not the solution, never. Problem is, there is now way to locate the people in there! THAT is what a bill should ENSURE: the means to contact credibly the people in videos and pictures. There are ways to handle the issue with procedures so that information flows, because it is not ALWAYS about having the same sex movie enacted in your life. I asked in Quora: how to contact someone in a porno site... and no one had a ready made answer for it.
I've likely returned to this too late to do much good, but some points need to be made... First, both you and David below aren't quite reading the missingkids.com quote correctly. It's not saying that 74% of kids in social service care are running away, it's saying that out of the 1 in 5 runaways who are victims of sex trafficking, 74% were in the care of social services when they went missing. That's a very troubling statistic to consider...
As to #pizzagate, consider this report... https://www.youtube.com/watch?... followed up by this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?... We have an apparent anomaly, followed by a possible explanation, mebbe... but the explanation may raise even bigger questions.
We can be sure that there's some fishy stuff going on with the D.C. elite considering Hastert, Weiner, Clinton/Epstein, Wade Sanders, the list is extensive... Consider some of this resource... https://www.corbettreport.com/... and especially go through the exhaustive collection of links throughout the comments section there. Exploitation of the weak by the rich and powerful is a very real problem and with Mr. Alefantis is one of 'em... http://www.gq.com/gallery/50-m... By the way, the basement is under Buck's Hunting and Fishing, not Comet Ping Pong... https://www.youtube.com/result...
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It is not a violation of interstate commerce Thanks for the info!
BTW, you (Agripa) should sue Disney for stealing your stories out of your Three Books of Occult Philosophy lol